Walking Miracle: Mindset That Overcame Paralysis w/ Ryan Shazier

here are NO GUARANTEES in life. There are only TRIUMPHS and SETBACKS. My guest this week, RYAN SHAZIER, knows this all too well. His story is EXTRAORDINARY. In a single moment, he went from living his best life as an NFL linebacker to the challenge of simply trying to walk again. If you’ve ever had sudden and traumatic challenges turn your life upside down, you must hear Ryan’s story. Because this week, you’re going to learn how one man turned a potential tragedy into a NEW BEGINNING. Ryan was an Ohio State Buckeye who was a first-round draft pick at linebacker by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2014. He quickly starred in the league, earning a trip to the PRO BOWL in 2016. But during the 2017 season, he made a headfirst tackle that left him unable to move his legs. Ryan underwent spinal stabilization surgery giving him the tools he needed to heal. His new book, WALKING MIRACLE, goes into detail about what he went through and was a must read for me as soon as I got a copy. Ryan spares no details in what he had to deal with after hearing news that he was paralyzed. But along with his mom and dad, Ryan worked hard to create the POSITIVE MINDSET he would need to start healing. The GOOD NEWS is that surgery worked, and eventually Ryan did walk again. In fact, 17 months after the injury he danced at his own wedding. But his NFL career was over. His identity was stripped away. And while he experienced the SUPREME TRIUMPH OF WALKING AGAIN, the setback of no longer playing the game he loved meant he had to pivot. Ryan’s account of how he went from a pro athlete to a businessman is full of lessons you can use in your own life. He’ll tell you how he was NEVER RESENTFUL and why that was so critical to MOVE FORWARD, instead of living in a past that no longer existed. There are so many great nuggets of WISDOM in his words that you must hear, especially Ryan’s advice for making a COMEBACK after a traumatic life experience. Ryan Shazier embodies what it takes to OVERCOME tragic events in your life. His story will move you, and for those of you who need it, also help HEAL you too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:06Speaker 01

  This is the Ed Mileage Show.

• 1:10Ed Mylett?

  Okay, welcome back to the show, everybody. Today, I have a man who is literally a walking miracle on my show. And I was a huge, huge fan of this man before a particular injury affected him, but I've become 100 times bigger fan after it. And it's one of the most remarkable stories you're ever gonna hear in your life by one of the most remarkable people you will ever hear from in your life, with some of the best tips and insights of how to overcome adversity, and frankly, how to make a comeback in your life. So he's got a new book out called Walking Miracle: How Faith, Positive Thinking, and Passion for Football Brought Me Back From Paralysis and Helped Me Find My Purpose. Ryan Segeor, welcome to the show today, brother.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  How you doing, man? I really appreciate you having me. I'm really excited to be on.

• 1:55Ed Mylett?

  I am too. You guys, this is a great athlete, first-round draft pick, a player that all offenses in the NFL feared. And then, take us, Ryan, let's just go right to it. December 4th, 2017, your life changed.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, so December 4th, like you said, 2017, we played the Cincinnati Bengals in Cincinnati. It was a Monday night football game. And the one thing that was really interesting about this game is the the years prior, you know, this was my fourth year in the NFL, the years prior, every year I had, I was hurt for either nine games, seven games, you know, three games. So I told myself this year, I'm like, no matter what, I'm sticking, I'm making, I'm playing every game. Unless I have a significant injury, I'm playing in every single game. So I end up, we were playing, we're playing the Green Bay Packers and Rodgers didn't play this game. And we end up beating them and we're being a pretty solid, like I didn't really have to be in the game towards the end of the game.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  I didn't have to, like, it was like a last of the game. I didn't really have to go as hard as I did. I just wanted to kind of get that last tackle in, you know, just, you know, you know, Ed, just go one more, you know, so to get that extra, Yep. Get that extra little, uh, extra little bit in. And then when I did that, um, somebody actually stepped on my ankle and caused me to, caused me to, uh, kind of sprain my ankle. And when that happened, if, you know, when you sprain your ankles, it was really tough to kind of bounce back from. But through that whole week, I didn't practice not one day that week. And one thing that I always did when I didn't practice, or even when I did practice, I stood in the back of practice and took mental reps.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  So like I would stay, stay back there. And if I'm not actually taking a physical rep, I'll actually like think about all the steps I have to take, take like one or two practice steps. So that's what I was doing and just rehabbing. And so me and Coach Tom and talked, and he was like, Ryan, it's gonna be a game time decision for this, for this game. And so before the game, I talked to my wife, I talked to my father-in-law, I talked to my dad. And my wife and my father-in-law, my father-in-law was a nurse at the time. He was like, Ryan, I don't think you should play. So, but my dad, he, you know, he grew up, like he helped me be where I was at. Like he's, he's been my, you know, my ride of death since I was a kid. He was like, Ryan, like whatever you want to do is up to you. You know, he's like, you know your body better than anybody.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  And I understand that you don't want to miss any games. If you want to go out there, go out there. So I, so it was, I probably like 20 minutes before the game, I told Coach Tom, like, I'm good to go. I warmed up. And I, I wasn't a hundred percent, but I was like, I'm, I'm gonna be all right. So the game started off first quarter, I think it was the second, first drive or second drive. I already have four tackles and and I don't know like I don't know how long you play football or if you played in football. Yeah, but when you have four tackles on defense in the first quarter, that you already thinking in your head, oh, this is gonna be a good game.

• 4:47Ed Mylett?

  Yep, yep.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  You know, cause like you do four times three, you know, that's 12 tackles minimum, you know, so um I was like, I'm gonna have a good game. And then I I forgot the guy's exact name, but somebody else was a receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals. He did a drag route. So a drag route is basically if you have him launched straight up and he runs all the way across the field, uh like take one step and go all the way across the field. And I was like, oh, this isn't gonna be that hard of a tackle. It's not a difficult tackle. I've made this tackle a thousand times in my life. And he ran up and when he ran up, uh NFL is implementing like not hitting, not hitting people with their helmets, not hitting people with your heads. Not like try to be really safe when you're tackling people.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  So in this situation, I never thought about like, hey, how am I gonna tackle anybody? I always was like, I'm gonna hit them and you know, they fall how they may, you know? So um in this situation, I actually like to try to put my head across and actually avoid hitting it with my head. And when this happened, he was running a little bit faster than I thought he was. And when I pulled my head out, my head hit exactly to his hip and caused me to fracture my vertebrae in my back. Yeah.

• 5:54Ed Mylett?

  What did it feel like? You're now you're one minute, you're the best player. I'm I'm I'm gonna brag for you, but you you're the leader in the on your defense. You're the best player on the field. You're having the best game on the field. And a millisecond later, you're on your back. Uh can you can you not move at all? And are you starting to go, oh, something major just happened here?

• 6:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, so in that moment, I was pretty much paralyzed from the waist down. And in my head, I was thinking more about, oh, this is a stinger. So people that played football before, a stinger is if you tackle somebody, you hit them with your shoulder, your shoulder feels numb. And it's like almost burning like a like a stinging sensation. That's why it's called a stinger. Uh but it's like numb, but it it it eventually comes back like most football players had this feeling before. So I thought it was like, all right, I'm having somewhere like a stinger, but just for my legs, you know? So I was thinking that at first and I was kind of into now. And then they came and started poking at my legs. And when they were poking at my legs, I really couldn't feel anything. And I, you know, like, are you poking like, do you feel that? I'm like, you're not touching me.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  You know, so it kinda kinda scared me. And then they put me on the they put me on the the gurney and then into the ambulance and my doctor was with me the whole time and I just kept asking the questions. I'm like, how long am I gonna be hurt? Like, would I be playing again? Would I be ready in, you know, for Christmas? Cause I remember that we were playing Houston Texans at Christmas and I was in my family, like my wife's family's from Texas. So I was really looking forward to that game. So just it was like a lot of stuff going on and I kept asking questions about like, when am I gonna be okay? Am I gonna be okay? Am I gonna be okay? And it was more not like, am I gonna be okay? Like, I'm I'm not gonna walk again. It's more like, all right, how soon do you think I'm gonna be able to play football again?

• 7:39Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Cause I just went to now of me actually not.

• 7:43Ed Mylett?

  Ryan, even with your teammates around you, cause I I was watching that game. It was Monday night football, I recall, was not? It was Monday night football game?

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 7:50Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, I was watching the game and you could tell by the announcers when they came back from commercial like, oh no. And then the guys on your team were around you and you could see some of them praying, right? And I saw some of them talking to you. And I remember like my heart rate's changing right now. I'm not kidding you actually remembering this and it's not even me, it was you. But you're saying even in that moment, you're not thinking, nah, I'm not gonna walk again. You're thinking, I gotta get back for the for the Texans game, even in that moment?

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I was just like, I'm hurt pretty, like I knew in my head, I'm hurt pretty bad, but like, I'm like, all right. I'm like, I'm gonna figure this out. I'm probably be back in like two, three weeks, you know, I I like, you know, I I never really thought. Because I tell people this all the time, especially even individuals with spinal cord injuries. Cause I so I ended up having a spinal cord injury. And I tell people this all the time. I was like, uh, people see somebody in a wheelchair almost every day or, you know, or once a week, most people do, especially people outside. You'll see somebody in a wheelchair once a week or you'll see somebody in a wheelchair. And you'd be like, man, I wonder how they got there. But unfortunately, I'm not in that position and I I hope they, you know, I hope they are right. That's most most people, most common person, that's what they think about when they see somebody in a wheelchair. But they don't never, they never know how that person got into that situation.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  You know, so, um, I I never really thought about being paralyzed or paralysis or anything like that. So when I got injured, that was the last thing in my mind. Like, hey, I'll never walk again.

• 9:15Ed Mylett?

  See, cause I had I had had Eric Legrand on my show, who's a friend of mine. And so when your injury happened, I'll be honest with you, I thought about Eric, you know, almost immediately when it happened. And and Eric ended up being, you know, paralyzed, you know, he's become a great friend of mine as one of the most inspirational people on the planet. But I'm curious, when did it dawn on you? Would you was it when you were in the hospital that someone said, hey, you you probably are not going to walk again here? When did that actually happen?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  It it really dawned on me like probably uh almost like a week later, like a week or like almost almost two weeks later. And the reason I say that is because um like I don't like, I don't know about most people, but when you play a sport and in like a professional sport, every professional athlete probably it's probably like one or two athletes in the whole in all the sports that were told when they were younger, you're not going to make it, it's it's not possible like you're you're it's less than one percent of people that can do this like like I don't know any kid from the moment they were born that everybody told them, hey, you're going to do it, you're going to make it, you're the best, like, you know.

• 10:25Ed Mylett?

  Maybe LeBron, maybe one or two dudes, you're right, right, maybe LeBron. But almost nobody, right?

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Almost nobody, so that that kind of was in my head, it was like, all right. Um, people like when I got hurt, people going to tell me stuff that I already know that I'm not going to believe, like I already know in my head that I'm going to walk again, I'm going to play football again, I'm going to be where I want to be at again. And then so like one, it was one daughter that talked to my wife, my hey, Ryan has like a 20% chance for walking, he probably never walk again, and she like cussed her cussed her out. But she was like really mad. And my wife is, she's Latina, she's kind of a hothead sometimes, but she she's great. Yeah, but she she cussed her out and then uh well, she wanted to cuss her out and and then like what really, when it really hit me

• 11:15Speaker 02

  is I have my god brother and my cousin, he went to Duquesne here, Duquesne is like a smaller college here at Pittsburgh and he used to come to all my games, he used to work out me in the summer. And he was just at a hospital with me when I was laying in the bed. And I ended up getting like a like, I'm like a urinary tract infection, like a really bad like fever and flu. And um when I was laying next to him, I mean, I'm not feeling good. Like, I just told him, I'm not feeling good right now, but I was so hurt in the moment, I couldn't like really move as much. And you know how on the beds, they have like the guardrails on the side of the bed?

• 11:50Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  And and so like you can't fall out of the bed, but when I couldn't move over. So I ended up like throwing up on the guardrail and they slapped me back in my face.

• 12:00Ed Mylett?

  Oh my.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Like, so it was like it hit me back in my face.

• 12:02Ed Mylett?

  Oh my.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  And when I, when that happened, I really said like, yeah, right, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty bad.

• 12:09Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, that was, that's a low point for you because you had clots also, right? You ended up with clots, you had clotting.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So like the blood clotting. So a lot of people, you know, if you, you know, when you go on YouTube and and other, other sources. Like sometimes people just come up with their own reasoning of like, why this happened or why you sort of like that? So with me, I had a blood clots in my, in my back, but if I didn't have those blood clots, I probably would have never had surgery. And and the reason is because, so I have scoliosis and a lot of people don't know this, but scoliosis is like a curvature in the spine. But when you have a, when you have a spinal cord, it like when your spine is basically like a, it's like a string that goes straight down on your back.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  But you, but just, but your, your vertebrae is like, this is your vertebrae right here and this is your spinal cord. So it's like straight down, the middle of your back is not touching anything. But with a spinal cord injury, it's like touching it. So when I fractured it, it caused bruising on my spinal cord. But you know, most people on YouTube will like, oh, he severed his spinal cord, this, this or that. So it bruised my spinal cord and when it bruised my spinal cord, um. It didn't, it wasn't, it wasn't in the middle, so it caused inflammation on that side of the bruising and put, I had basically pinched my spinal cord against my vertebrae. To not allow it to basically bruise, which caused, and that's what those blood clots did.

• 13:40Ed Mylett?

  Golly.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  So, so that made, so the, the doctor seen that because. The night of my injury, I was actually starting to move my toes. I was starting to wiggle and like my feet a little bit. And there was the, oh, he's progressing. And then probably like a week, like, like later that morning, the next morning, like two days later, the doctor was like, oh, like, Ryan needs to have surgery now because I started to digress again because of the blood loss.

• 14:04Ed Mylett?

  Unbelievable. So you guys, I just want you all to picture this. You're one of the top athletes in the world playing for one of the most storied franchises in the world. And in one second, you are now, a couple of weeks later, going, you're 80% chance you're not going to walk, you know, clotting, throwing up, hitting your head. I mean, imagine what that does to your, to your mindset. Yet, brother, you end up coming back and walking across the stage not that long after this to announce the draft pick for the freaking Steelers. Take me from the moments when you were your lowest then to walking again. First, you were using like a walker or the, like the crutches thing all the way up to walking up for the draft pick. But what was it? Was it your mindset? I think a lot of times people watch pro athletes, they go, all right. And even I do this. And a lot of them have become

• 14:47Ed Mylett?

  friends of mine. I'm like, well, he's physically just gifted. Not everybody is 6'3", 240 and runs a 4540, right? So they got a lot of blessing. But I think what is discounted is mental toughness, is overcome an adversity, right? Like, what, how did you get from there, throwing up, hitting your head, clots, you're not going to walk 80% to now in your life, you're got an agency, you got other businesses, you got all this stuff. What was the mental process like for you during those really hard weeks?

• 15:18Speaker 02

  So like, I love how you said that. So I like to use two people. And these two people are good friends of mine. And then obviously, everybody going to say this to be athletic, but they're not the most athletic guys. They're not the most gifted guys, but they're the two best in the world right now. Right? And Aaron Donald and TJ Watt. So both of them are tremendously blessed. I'm not going to lie. They're both tremendously blessed. But Aaron's not the strongest guy. He's not the fastest guy. He's not the biggest guy. You know what I'm saying?

• 15:45Ed Mylett?

  Definitely not the tallest guy.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  He's definitely not the tallest guy, but he outwills everybody, literally outwills everybody. And TJ is the same way. Like, if you really look at TJ and his brothers, his brother is the one that's the really big one.

• 15:58Ed Mylett?

  He's the bigger one.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  You know.

• 15:59Ed Mylett?

  He's the mutt of two super physically gifted dudes, but he's the mutt of the two of them for sure.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. And, and, you know, TJ, he's super athletic, but, but he, you know, he had two ACL tears when he was in college, you know, and he just literally just out hustles everybody. And so like, when I think of, about me and how I made it to the NFL is just like, literally my whole life, people told me I couldn't do something. So it was just like my, my whole life, I was like, I don't care what you say, I'm going to do this. Like, I'm going to do this. And then I, I just, I'm really positive in everything I do. Like, I tell people all the time, I don't know anybody that's successful and damn believe in themselves.

• 16:39Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  You know, like, like, like you have to have a positive mindset. Like, sometimes you might be realistic, but you still have to have a positive mindset and really believe in what you want to achieve. Like, a lot of times, a lot of people, they, they were like, hey, I want to be a millionaire, I want to be a billionaire, but they really don't believe that.

• 16:57Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Like, you know, when the doctor told me I wouldn't walk again, I really believed in my head, like, I don't care what you say, I'm going to walk again. I really feel I was going to play football again. And, and I was, you know, and I'm really close to being where I could have been playing football again, but it, it, another thing with me is where I was at, I felt like it was like, for me to get back to where I was at, it was going to be such a, a, a tough hill to climb. I, I just, I didn't want to get back on the field and, and not be the same guy.

• 17:29Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  So, like.

• 17:30Ed Mylett?

  Because he got to the point, you guys, where he actually probably physically could have played again if there wasn't a threat for re-injury or anything like that. It's actually, it's unbelievable. And I just think, like, it sounds good now, right? Like, their listeners, like, all right, so they told him he couldn't walk again, and he's like, I don't believe you, I'm going to walk again. But actually, everybody, put yourself in that situation, like, just, you're driving right now, you're on the treadmill, whatever you're doing, slow down for a second. I want you to picture this. You've worked your entire damn life for your dream. Right? Your whole life, everyone's told you not gonna make, you worked all the weights, all the reps, all the up and downs, all the drills, all the games, the draft, college, high school, everything. You get to the NFL, even first round picks don't make it in the NFL

• 18:12Ed Mylett?

  half the damn time. Not only does he make it, he's a pro bowler, he's dominating on his team. He was the best player on a great defense, and now it's gone. It's gone. Right? I want you to imagine that, or being threatened to be gone, and then a doctor goes, and not only is it gone, you're probably not gonna walk. And then in that moment to go, no, no, no, no, I don't think you know me. I'm gonna walk. Why do I repeat it back to you in my version and not just Ryan's version? Because he's humble. And I want you to hear it from somebody who's an outsider looking in. My level of admiration for somebody who does not crumble under that type of, because I know a lot of you right now, like, man, I'm going broke, or I'm going through a divorce, or I've got this thing, or my dream's not happening. You're going through your version of divorce. But what if you had got to your

• 18:56Ed Mylett?

  dream, it's snatched from you, and you're told you can't walk again, and you're an athlete on top of it, and your whole life surrounds this stuff? Everybody, you know, guys, it's more than that. It's, your friends know you play, right? Your family knows you play. And that's where I want to go next, is your parents. So I'm reading in your book, and by the way, you guys gotta get this book, okay? Let me just tell you, just remember this, Walking Miracle, perfect title, by the way. But is it true your mom would sit outside your hospital room, brother, and would make sure nobody cried when they'd come in to see you because she wanted to protect your mindset? Because I think everything in life is mindset, right? And it's, I'm gonna go to your dad in a minute, but your mom, my understanding was she would sit outside your hospital room, I think I said hotel room, hospital room, and she would basically make sure, but don't you go in there and

• 19:41Ed Mylett?

  cry in front of him, don't you hurt his mindset, don't you make him feel down. That's true, right?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  No, it's very true. Like, the thing is, I didn't know this until later on.

• 19:50Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Like, because everybody would come in and just be like, in a good mood. Obviously, most people, like, whenever you hung out with me, you're in a good mood. Like, I just, I like to joke around, I like to laugh. Everybody would be in a good mood, everybody, they're never really talking about my injury, they're just always talking about this, like, all right, when this happens, when that happens, I talk about it to team. But then my parents and my wife told me, like, they didn't let anybody in there that didn't believe in what I believe. So like if you came to visit me and you felt like I wasn't gonna walk again, you weren't coming into that room.

• 20:19Ed Mylett?

  Whoa, see, listen, everyone, this is that thing about who you're around and who you let infiltrate your mind and your spirit and your space. That's the ultimate version of this. I love what you just said. If you didn't think I was gonna walk again, you don't get to come around. Like, and by the way, you don't think my dream's gonna happen? You don't get to come around. You don't wanna support me with I'm doing? You don't get to come around me anymore. This is how you protect your dream. It's how you protect your mind. It's how you protect your thinking. Now, your dad had this quote. By the way, his dad was a part-time chaplain for the Dolphins. But your dad said this, "A dream without sacrifice and discipline is just vanity. It's just empty words." Did your dad talk like that a lot around you? Is that where you get your mindset from? Is this like really things your father would? My dad did not talk like that. Your dad actually talk like this?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, he does talk like that. And the thing that's so funny is like when we go to family functions, him and my uncles, his brothers be getting mad because he was like, "Just because you read all these damn books and know everything, don't mean..."

• 21:17Speaker 02

  You just can't... But it's awesome because like my whole life, my dad just been pouring wisdom into me. So like even when I was playing, like my dad, I remember my dad, when I first went to high school, he was like, "Right, I'm gonna tell you right now. When you get in, when you get into high school, the first thing is gonna be like three or four things that everybody talks about. Everybody talks about when in high school." He was like, "Kids are gonna talk about money. They're gonna talk about, they're gonna talk about drugs, alcohol, and they're gonna talk about women." And then, like, he said, "Those are three or 14 things people gonna be talking about while they're in high school." And he said, "It doesn't change until you, even while you're as a grown man."

• 22:01Ed Mylett?

  Isn't that true?

• 22:02Speaker 02

  And he was like, he was like, "One thing I'm gonna tell you right now is don't allow those people to lie to you and make you feel that you don't have the things that you want just because of..." Of basically of their lives. And then another thing that he also told me was, everybody has a trash bag. He was like, everybody life is a trash bag. And he was like, the difference is, some people trash bags is a little bit heavier than others. He was like, so whenever you get in the situation, you know, when like, he was like, your mom, she's cool taking out the trash. But when the trash get heavy, I gotta take it out. And he was like, if you ever get in a situation where you're getting recruited, or NFL team wants you, or it's a girl talking to you, it was like, they should look at both of these trash bags and like, which, uh,

• 22:47Speaker 02

  which, which, uh, bag do I want to deal with less or more? Like, when you have more baggage, people, less people want to deal with you.

• 22:54Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  And then like, when I, when he told me that when I was younger, I was like, all right, cool. And then, and then when I, when I got hurt, I started spending time with the Steelers. And I actually started scouting players and you start seeing guys that was exactly the same type of player. And they were like, oh yeah, this guy has this, this, this, this, this. So they'll drop this guy.

• 23:18Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh, that's so good, brother. That is so real too, right? It's true in business too. There's two totally, you know, two people have equal talent, equal ability, equal whatever. But one dude's trash bag's bigger. I want that other guy. I want the guy with the lighter bag, right? I want the dude who, who can perform and you're, this is so good. See, it's interesting because I'm a person who's a person of faith. Sometimes I think, you know, God doesn't give us anything we're not capable of handling. And sometimes he gives great adversity to people that he knows are either going to be strong or are going to discover a strength they didn't know they had. So as I'm reading your story in reverse, so everything, all wisdom is hindsight, right? But I'm reading your story in reverse. I'm like, so of all the players in the NFL,

• 24:01Ed Mylett?

  if God has a plan, he chooses Ryan is the guy that's going to have the spinal cord injury of all the guys in the league, right? And then you go, now, why would he choose him? Then I start reading about your mom. Then I start reading about your dad. I started reading about your mental toughness already. I'm like, because he knew he was the one who could handle it. Because he was the one, a lot of the guys, their trash bag was too full to be able to handle this. But I want to read something to you. This man's deep, you guys. This man's deep. In the hospital, when he developed the UTI, he got it from a catheter. Antibiotics weren't working during all of it and he threw up like he talked about earlier. And he said, I hated for him to see me, my cousin to see me sick and weak. He said later, I'd see the wisdom in the Eckhart Tolle quote. It's amazing to me.

• 24:44Ed Mylett?

  F L dude quoting Eckhart Tolle, right? All stress is about wanting. The what is to be, is to be what is not. I was suffering because I was fixated on this old image of myself. A strong warrior laying down an example for my cousin. I was obsessing over the what is not. And I think that's a life lesson. I think comparison is the thief of joy and passion. And sometimes we all do this where we're at in our life. I want you to speak to this because this could be easy for you to do right now today. Hey, man, you know, if this didn't happen to me, I'd be in camp right now, probably getting ready for another season. Maybe I've got a $10 million deal I got, I've signed per year, right? I'm making it up.

• 25:27Ed Mylett?

  When we compare ourselves to other people's lives, we compare ourselves to what we see on social media. But one little insidious form of comparison is we compare ourselves to our former situation. I used to be in this relationship. I used to look this way. I used to do that. Are you, do you have to guard against that, Ryan? Not to compare where you are now to where you were? Or where you might think you could have been had this adversity not taken place? You have to protect your mind that way?

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Man, man, hey, you're great, man. Cause you asked, you asked questions that people don't normally ask, you know? So I really appreciate that. And so the reason, the reason I say that is because I definitely do have to guard against that. You know, and the reason it is not even just me guarding against it is other people asking me these like the question. Like, man, like, what was it like playing when you played? So it's like, it's almost hard not to get back to like feeling like that.

• 26:21Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Or, well, you know, how much money would you have got?

• 26:24Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Or this, this or that. So when I first got injured, it was really hard for me not to think about that and not to cry about situations. I remember my first game back at Hansville, I sat in the parking lot for like 30 minutes before the, like, before I actually walked into the locker room with the team. Because I I literally was just crying because I was so fixated on the guy that I used to be, you know, and then now a lot of my friends like, man, Ryan, I don't understand how you have like jerseys and up and everything around your house because like that was still bothering me, you know, to think about all that is I have to just guard myself from it. I understand that right now is not my

• 27:07Speaker 02

  time to be a coach. And some people may say, Ryan, like you'll be a great coach. But if I was a coach, I would think more about when I play than actually helping guys leave them to be in their best self.

• 27:19Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  You know, so I I just, I really guard myself from that because when when you I tell people all the time, when you're thinking about the past, the past is not going to lead you to a better future.

• 27:29Ed Mylett?

  Oh, God, that's good. That's why we did the show right there, right there. That's why we did the show. See, I even I I'm going through something right now. I'm not getting into on the show, but like I kind of need that, too. And this idea of comparing to another time is so dangerous in our life. It's so dangerous. Or even if you're like in a new relationship, don't compare that one to the one you used to be, and you're killing the one you're in when you do it. The other thing that you I forget the term you use because I can't find it right now. But you talk about like having your identity stolen from you when football was gone, like identity thievery, right? And I always say that I think sometimes we make a mistake is people where we tie our identity up in like what

• 28:08Ed Mylett?

  we do. Like, I am a football player, right? Or I or my identity is tied to my wealth, or my identity is tied to my beauty, and it's tied to the external, right? As opposed to our identity being tied to who we are inside as a spirit, as a soul, as a person. Did you have to kind of reevaluate? It's very easy when you're a pro athlete to just allow all your identity into being a pro athlete. Every restaurant you walk in, every airport, every club, in your own family, you're the stud, you're the athlete, you're the you're the guy. It's easy just to surrender your identity. It's easy when you're starting to have success. I just, I'm the rich guy. I'm the successful guy. And you let your identity be these, what I think are really low vibrational

• 28:51Ed Mylett?

  frequency, things that are fleeting, that'll go away at some point anyway. Did you have to fight that with your identity being a football player?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I I had to fight that in multiple ways. And so it was in one way of everybody was just like, oh, Ryan Shazier, the football player. And I had to start, especially as you become a businessman, Ryan Shazier, the football player can help you get into doors, but it doesn't help you get business. You know, like, it can help you get into doors, but then you still got to be a good businessman. Like, you, it give you more opportunities. But and then if you don't capitalize on the opportunities, it it it it didn't help you at all. And then another way that it really hurt is when you're a professional athlete. Um, I still get some of the perks of being, you know, Ryan Shazier, which is a blessing, you know, if I go to a restaurant, I can meet.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  And uh, get into restaurants earlier, I can meet, you know, certain people, which is still an awesome uh, awesome opportunity. I'm not going to knock that at all. But the one thing that it is tough is being a professional athlete.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  The income is a lot different. So like hanging out with other professional athletes. Before it was things that you could do or things that you would be open to doing. That, you know, you'd be like, all right, I can just go back on the field and make this right back, or I could do this, or I could do that. Um, when you're not playing, you have to really be smart because like, hey, as a player, I used to be able to do that. But is that actually a smart move for me and my family right now? You know, so like, that's where I had to really started to pay attention a little bit more. Uh, just for me financially, because I was just like, hey, Ryan. You used to play, you used to be a first-rounder, but you're not anymore. And that's not who you are anymore. You're, you know, a father to a husband, you're a business owner, and you have to start making smarter decisions.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  As a business owner, you can't just make erratic decisions as a football player.

• 30:37Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. And by the way, he's helped people do that now. He's got an agency. He's got his own agency where he does that. And he's also. You know, what I probably most admire about you, I think, is. It's hard enough to make one dream come true in your life, and I just really admire people when their first dream ends that they don't. That they don't. And so many people in life, when their first dream ends, they just keep telling the story of the almost or what they did in that dream. It takes real courage to start writing a whole new chapter. I doubt. You know, when you were rehabbing that ankle the week before the game, you're like, you know what? In three years, I'm going to be in the financial business or I'm going to have these other businesses. You were not ready to do any of that, yet you pivoted pretty damn quickly, right? You were able to pivot pretty quickly.

• 31:22Ed Mylett?

  What caused you to be able to make that pivot? Like, was it just necessity? Like, hey, I've got to still make money? Or was it like, I want another purpose? Like, purpose is what gives our life meaning, right? And I'm sure you had to find a purpose. It's in the book. I just want you to talk about it.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  So, so this is, this is one, one thing that is a real big quote in football. Almost only works in horseshoes and horse, uh, horseshoes and hand grenades.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Almost got there, almost worked, you know, it only works in horseshoes and hand grenades. And so that's a, that's a football quote.

• 32:01Ed Mylett?

  I love that.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  But to me, you know, my, honestly, I feel like my purpose, uh, I just, I feel like I got a greater purpose. So, you know, God, God works in mysterious ways. I thought it was multiple purposes because to me, um, when I was even playing, I felt like football was a platform. Football is a platform to help you get to another place. And like every step of our life is a different chapter and a different platform. And it just depending on how you use that platform.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  To, to, to continue to build off of what you did before. So football, I always felt that football was a platform and I always wanted to get into business. But I didn't know it would be, you know, four years after I got injured. So, um, my, I feel like my purpose was to really be able to provide for my family, help my family, but then also help other people, help, uh, other people when it came to having individuals with spinal cord injuries like myself. When it comes to individuals just helping change their lives. At my agency, I'm talking to a lot of young cats and a lot of young people and helping change their lives right now. You know, and before when they weren't able to do that. But even those people with spinal cord injuries, there's a lot of individuals with spinal cord injuries that weren't blessed with the same amount of rehab as myself,

• 33:14Speaker 02

  that weren't blessed with the same amount of support as myself. And I felt like my purpose was to allow me, to allow God to use me to help find my purpose to help other people.

• 33:26Ed Mylett?

  Such a beautiful man.

• 33:31Ed Mylett?

  How do you, how do you not? Hard question. I just admire you a lot. And now that I'm talking to you, I'm like, I get it now. Cause I read the book in a night. I read your whole book in one night. Cover to cover, every word. And, uh, and I already knew you were, like I said, I was a fan. I was like, this dude's a stud. This dude was a player and just the way you played, you're aggressive, you hit hard, all these things. Just love the way that you played. Uh, but then I read the book and I'm, I'm curious though, like being real. Do you find yourself or how do you not become angry or resentful in your life? Now, I mean, you got a beautiful family, you got so many blessings. You're a good looking dude. You got a gorgeous wife. You got, you know, a couple of beautiful kids, you know, you can still walk in a restaurant. I get all that, but it's not what you thought it was going to be, right?

• 34:16Ed Mylett?

  It's different. The God had other plans for you. Do you find yourself resentful and angry sometimes? And if you do, how do you get out of it?

• 34:23Speaker 02

  So I, I used to, I used to sometimes get really angry. Sometimes I'll be really sad. Um, I have really strong people around me, like my mom, my dad, my wife, um, one of my best friends. So when I have days that I am really mad, really angry, like we talked before, I have really strong, strong people around me, um, that I can talk to. Uh, so like, I remember when I was rehabbing a lot to get back, uh, to start playing football game. And I'll be rehabbing and then like, sometimes the team will still be out there practicing while I'm rehabbing close by. And I'll watch them rehab and then like during rehab, I'll just stop rehabbing. I'll just tell my trainer, I can't do this right now. Like, and I'll just start crying. Or like, I'm like, um, like I'll say, this isn't fair. I don't understand.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Like, and a lot of people didn't hear me say, why me? When I was going through my injury, my, my trainers and my family heard me here and there, but I would never go tell a regular person like nobody else, like. You know, why am I going through this? You know, because at the end of the day, Coach Tommy used to tell us, people, uh, people don't, uh, he says, stop complaining. He was like, because people either happy, people either happy you complaining or they don't care.

• 35:28Ed Mylett?

  They don't care. Yeah, you're right. I appreciate you being vulnerable to admitting. I think some guys go, I never got down. You know, I never, and I just don't think you inspire people by being perfect. I think you inspire people by showing them your imperfections and it's, it's, it's cool to hear you say, hey, man, I'd be hard. You're rehabbing this injury and you can literally see your old team practicing when you're doing it. I have to imagine that. So I appreciate you being, you know, really real. How did you create a new playbook for your life? So, okay. It now becomes a point you're like, all right, football's gonna be over. How does one pivot? So now you're doing that. What made you choose the financial business? And you've got some other stuff you're doing too, but like, what made you choose that? How does one start over? So someone's listening to this right now. They're like, you know what?

• 36:12Ed Mylett?

  My thing didn't work out. I've kind of been treading water for a while. You know, how does one begin again? What did you do?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  So honestly, this is, this is probably one of the hardest things. This is probably one of the hardest things for me. And I talked to a lot of, I talked to the still there's a lot about this still. Kevin Coleman, I'm pretty close with him. Well, Ali, he's a former Pittsburgh student. And I talked to him a lot about this and it was this pivoting, transitioning from the NFL, transmission from sports, transition in life. I feel is probably one of the hardest things to, to, to do. And the reason is because I tell people like my whole life. And most people are like, you, you shouldn't have your whole life tailored to something. But my whole life was tailored to playing football. Like I, like watching the Hall of Fame, sometimes to this day still makes me cry because

• 37:00Speaker 02

  everybody that knows me truly knows that was a goal of mine. Some people in the Hall of Fame are like, I never thought I would make it here. Me personally, I, that was my goal. I'm saying, if I, if I would have made a Hall of Fame, I would have been like, I worked every day for this. You know, so like that, that's, that's how it was for me. And when I, when I started to try to really figure out what I want to do, I took a year to see what was important to me. What did I like to do? And I spent time coaching and, and, and scouting. And I was like, this is not, this is not for me. And then I ended up spending some time just really thinking and talking to my wife about this. What was the next steps? And I was, I, I was vulnerable. Like I said before, I started to really connect with people that weren't in the sports world anymore. Because when you're playing sports.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Your friends and who you have around you is awesome, but everybody would tell you in the sports world, most of the people that you meet in the sports world, like I still have a lot of really good friends, TJ Y, Cam Hayward, you know, Tyson, Vince Williams, Buddy Pree, like I still have a lot of really good friends. But the one thing I would say is, everybody would tell you is very short-lived. Sure is. Like your friendships aren't, like a lot of them are more acquaintances than friendships. Very true. Your, your, your work, your work, your work buddies. Yep. You know, so, um, when I started, when I got injured, I wasn't around those guys as much and I started really get, started talking to people and introducing myself to people that didn't play sports and I really started gaining real friendships. And like I said before, I was just vulnerable with them, but we all went out one day and we were, we were all really close.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Now we're just like, hey guys, you know, right now I'm just, I'm really stuck in a horror spot. I just, I, I really don't know what's like, what's next. I don't, I, I'm, I'm trying to figure out what's next. And you know, I started to talk to a few of my friends and they just say, hey Ryan, you know, come spend time with us. And you know, just with, I know you want to be a business owner. So like I'll show you what I do. I'll show you what I do. And then I started talking to a few different ones and then, you know, one helped me started to learn more about real estate. So I ended up actually, I'm, I'm owning some real estate properties that I wasn't doing before. Then I ended up, uh, starting a trucking company and then a really close friend of mine, he, he's, he's, he's doing really well in insurance,

• 39:13Speaker 02

  in, in insurance, uh, industry. Uh, his name is Simon Arias. Uh, and he's, uh, with, you know, American Income Life. Then I started to talk to him and then we just started to work together and started a partnership and, um, I just, I recently started and it's been doing great. So I'm, I'm really blessed because I have people around me that really care about me. But I feel like the one thing that I did that a lot of men don't do was I was actually vulnerable enough to tell people around me like, hey, I'm. I'm not scared, but I'm nervous. I don't, I need to figure out what's next.

• 39:42Ed Mylett?

  Dude, I love you. I love you. Strong man is one who's vulnerable and asks for help. I love that. A couple of things want to unpack there. One, the vulnerability piece is huge. You know what you're gonna find out, everybody in life? More people want to help you than you realize. People actually do want to help people, especially people that are vulnerable. Hey, man, I don't know. I don't know, right? So that's number one. Number two thing is, I watched the NFL Hall of Fame ceremony, whenever it was last weekend, knowing we were gonna do this. I swear to you, brother, this confirmation, we're supposed to do this interview. I could not get you off my mind. Now, I have a couple buddies that are in that Hall of Fame that are really good friends. We were talking about off camera. But I actually thought about you during that. I wonder if it is hard to watch. It's amazing that you just said that. And then the third piece of your advice that I totally agree with is you gotta keep moving.

• 40:28Ed Mylett?

  Meaning try different, this is a metaphor, everybody. It's not real. Try different suits on and see if they fit. I'm telling my kids this too, when they're getting into college, like try, go try things. See if that suit fits. If that suit doesn't fit, put a different suit on, but you gotta keep trying things. Too many people are sitting around waiting for inspiration, sitting around waiting for the perfect situation, something that fits them. And by the way, what you're gonna pivot into, you're not gonna love all of it. That's the fallacy. Would you agree with that? Like, you didn't love every single thing about football. There was something you didn't like, whether it was stretching or weights or, you know, waiting in between quarters when they take TV breaks, whatever the heck it is, right?

• 41:08Ed Mylett?

  Like, and then somehow when the first dream ends, we're like, well, I don't like that part of it. Well, you didn't like that part of the other thing either. Would you agree with that? Like, you don't like everything about the trucking business. You don't like everything about the financial business. It's whether it fits. Most of it fits. It doesn't have to be all of it. Would you agree with that?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  I completely agree. I completely agree. A lot of people, they give up on a dream just because it didn't work. Like, I remember, I remember when I was at Ohio State, me and my dad had a talk. And my dad, my dad probably thought I was crazy when I had this talk with him. But I was like, hey, man, dad, it was my junior year, I already was like, already was like locked in to possibly be like a second round draft pick. And I was like, hey, dad, like. Man, I don't know, man. I don't know if this is for me anymore, right? You're like, cause it's like the school, you know, just like the workouts, like, cause like the, the, the off-season workouts are where guys like, I don't know if I can do this anymore. So like, so basically I was like, I don't know if I can do this anymore.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  My dad was like, you worked your whole life for this. He was like, he was like, I understand this part of your season is terrible, but just like, oh, this part like, not season, but just like season in your life. He's like, I know this part of your season in your life is terrible, but he's like, just push through it. But everything you worked for is not paying through. And then I end up going fifteenth overall.

• 42:23Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, pretty damn good.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  But he was just like, Ryan, like, like, obviously I understand you, this sucks right now in this moment, but it's gonna be all, all be worth it. And, and my, me and my dad loved this quote in the Bible. It say, faith without works is dead. He was like, I know a lot of people that look in, that look at a newspaper and like, man, I need a job. I need a job. I need a job. And constantly looking at newspaper, constantly, well, back in the day, it used to be newspapers, constantly getting newspaper, constantly putting up jazz, uh, job posts, but then would never do an interview. And he was just like,

• 42:58Speaker 02

  he was like, how you gonna get a job if you don't actually go try to find one? And he was like, that's the type of the same, the same thing. He was like, a lot of people want something. They wanna be a millionaire. They wanna have a job. They wanna have kids. They wanna have a, a good relationship, but they're actually not trying to put the work in. You know, like, uh, God wants it for you, but in a day, like, I would not got better if I didn't put the work in. God wanted, wanted me to get better and help me be able to be a voice for him, but I couldn't be a voice for him if I didn't do my job. I didn't do my part.

• 43:29Ed Mylett?

  Well, I love you. The work that it took to become a professional football player and then a first round pick and then a pro bowler, that's one thing. Then the work where you're being told you're not gonna walk, amount of work that had to go in to getting your body back to where you could walk. And then actually almost play football again, had you really decided to, is an unbelievable amount of work. And then when that's over to go, nope, I'm going back to work again. I'm gonna do it again for my family. I'm gonna build multiple careers. Is something that I think you're one of the most inspiring people. Like people say inspiring things and then there are people who live in. Inspiring lives. Those are two different things. And then a third thing is someone who has both. And you're unique that you're both. You say inspiring things. If y'all read this book or listen to this interview.

• 44:12Ed Mylett?

  But you've lived an inspiring life. It's unbelievable. Your story and who you are, brother. I'm a huge, huge believer in you. Last thing I want to ask you, by the way, we could go hours on this. Cause I just, it's obvious to me and everyone, everyone listening to this. Like God did choose you to handle this adversity. You did have a father who poured into you this way. You did have a mother who did. You did have, you do have a wonderful wife who probably thought she was going to marry a 15 year NFL football veteran and ends up now standing by your side as you make this transition. Maybe the gift of you would have never known the depth of how much she loved you or why she loved you until this adversity hit and now you know, right? So there's these hidden gifts and blessings.

• 44:54Ed Mylett?

  That maybe you would have never known had you played 15 years in the NFL. Now you know, this woman loves me, right? This woman believes in me. So there are these unbelievable blessings. Just watching your face change when I say that tells me that I'm right about it.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  So today's her birthday, so.

• 45:06Ed Mylett?

  Oh man, tell her happy birthday. At least I honored her on her birthday, right? At least I got the right. So let me ask you this last.

• 45:14Ed Mylett?

  You know, it would be a privilege for anybody to meet you. But you meet someone right now who says, hey, listen, man, your story is just bananas inspiring. This is literally, you're a walking miracle, right? And you've come back so many different times in your life. And I want to make a comeback. You know, I'm at a point in my life where, you know what? Now they don't want to come back. I want to do something better than I've ever done before in my life. And I just don't know where to begin. I'm just not sure where to start. What would you say to that person? Here's some advice I'd give you on where to begin your comeback. What would you tell them?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  So one thing I normally tell people is when, whenever they're trying to start a comeback. Whenever somebody, the first, the first problem that they, they go through is they always say, why me?

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Why me? And the one thing I always tell people is go from stop, stop asking why me? And start asking why not me? Every, so, because the thing is, a lot of people are like, why me, why me, why me? When you're saying why me, then you're, you're basically saying, why not David? Why not Ed? Why not Suzie? You know what I'm saying? So I try to tell people like, think about like, why not me? And then show everybody why you are the one to overcome this. And then another thing I like to tell people is read the book, The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday. Um, because that book really helped me understand, um, I was already a positive person, but it helped me understand is like, hey, just because you got an injury, just because you went through something, don't allow that to change you for the bad. Allow it to change you for the good.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Allow that to become the way that you succeed and continue to move on. A lot of people think like, you might get, you know, you might get, you might fall off a bike or you might, you know, lose your job. And now you're thinking, oh, damn, I just lost my job. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm, I'm like, I, I, I can't, I can't bounce back from this. You might not, you might under, you might find out that the job that you just lost just opened up an opportunity for a much better job, a much better opportunity, a much better way. So I tell people, uh, so that book really helps out a lot. And then the last thing I tell people is just be, just think, like, I know, like, a lot of people try to think of worst case scenario. When you're trying to overcome something, you have to start thinking of the best case scenario.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Thinking of the best case of where you want to be in life. Because when you think of worst case scenario and you're already down, it's just gonna, you're just gonna stay down.

• 47:41Ed Mylett?

  So good. By the way, that book's about Stoicism, everybody. And there are more and more people I meet that really believe Stoicism's really affected their life in a positive way. And when we were prepping for this, I saw that you did too. So, brother, like, there's a depth to you that I'm so glad I've discovered. Um, you know, I knew what a remarkable human being you were, but there's a depth to you that I just feel like you're at the beginning of some great time in your life right now. And I'm super grateful we agreed to do this today with one another, because I know it's really shifted a lot of people's perspective. You're a walking perspective shifter. Is really who you are. You know what you truly are. By the way, if you're wondering whether I'm telling you the truth, my producers in the back are all nodding agreeing with me right now that you just

• 48:24Ed Mylett?

  changed people's perspective instantly with who you are and your story. So you got a friend here. You got my number. You know, we're gonna be doing some stuff together after this too. So, thank you. By the way, guys gotta go get Walking Miracle. We on follow you on social? That the best place to go follow you?

• 48:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can follow me on social at Shazier, uh, at Shazier on Instagram and then Ryan Shazier on Twitter.

• 48:46Ed Mylett?

  You guys, this is a man that will absolutely make a difference in your life. I know y'all listening to this right now going, I need to share this with somebody. This show should be heard by somebody that I want to have inspired, who's gonna make a comeback, who wants to overcome adversity, who thinks they're going through a difficult time. You think you're going through a difficult time? This man's gone through multiple difficult times and come out the other side a champion many, many times over. And you can as well. Make sure you get the power of one more. Also, my book, number one book in the world, follow Ryan. Make sure you're sharing our show. Make sure you're watching my new show on Nosy Change with Ed Mylett. It will change your life. Go check that out as well. God bless all of you. Max out your life.