#311 Ben Owen & Ryan Dalton - Arrested on Epstein's Island

Two guests, one wild story. Ben Owen and Ryan Dalton join the show to break down their 2026 expedition to Little St. James, Jeffrey Epstein's former private island, and what happened when it went sideways. Ben Owen is the founder of We Fight Monsters, a Memphis-based anti-trafficking and addiction nonprofit. A recovered drug addict turned activist, he made national headlines in April 2026 after being detained on the island during a trip to document the property and raise questions about the Epstein case, an incident that ended with a trespassing charge and a disputed account of how he was restrained. Ryan Dalton is a former federal agent, attorney, and co-founder of Closed Horizon, a crowdsourced intelligence and reward platform focused on high-profile investigations. A University of Memphis Law School graduate who once served as a federal agent with the U. S. State Department, Dalton has publicly challenged the official narrative around Epstein's death and helped lead the expedition. We get into what drew them to the island, what they found, the confrontation that followed, and why they believe the Epstein story is far from closed. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Go to https://helixsleep.com/SRS for 20% off sitewide. If you’re serious about selling to the Department of War, go to https://SBIRAdvisors.com and mention Shawn Ryan for your first month free. Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://ziprecruiter.com/SRS to find enthusiastic, qualified candidates fast. Get 30% off your first subscription order at https://armra.com/srs or enter code SRS at checkout. Ben Owen Links: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/therealbenowen LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/therealbenowen Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@MonsterFighters Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/p/Ben-Owen-100077606762984 Black Rifle Co - https://www.blackrifle.company Flanders Fields - https://flandersfields.org We Fight Monsters - https://wefightmonsters.org Once American - https://www.onceamerican.com Ryan Dalton Links: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/spokedriver Closed Horizon Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/closedhorizon Website - https://closedhorizon.com Campaign Website - https://epsteinisntdead.org Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:55Shawn Ryan?

  Ben Owen.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  Sean Ryan.

• 0:57Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome back, man.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me, dude.

• 0:59Shawn Ryan?

  What's 777?

• 1:01Speaker 03

  So, 777 is the address of our, what is gonna be our treatment center. 777 South Main Street, Memphis, Tennessee.

• 1:08Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Perfect number, isn't it?

• 1:10Shawn Ryan?

  It is.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  I just love it.

• 1:12Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  A direct result of our last episode.

• 1:16Shawn Ryan?

  That's all, is that the school?

• 1:18Speaker 03

  No, so it actually was opened up as a brewery right after World War II, and then it was a bunch of recording studios, like some pretty big names have recorded there. I mean, it's in Memphis. And the couple that owns it had a son die from a fentanyl overdose. A dear friend of theirs, who happens to be a cop in Memphis, saw our episode, came out, started volunteering. We got to know him really well. He told the couple about us. We got to know them really well, and they're like, hey, we got this building that you need. And so, now we have it.

• 1:50Shawn Ryan?

  Congratulations.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:51Shawn Ryan?

  So, yeah, I haven't heard from you in, what, about a year? And then, all of a sudden, I get a text of you on what looks like a little John boat.

• 2:03Shawn Ryan?

  It says you got arrested for trespassing on Epstein Island.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:09Shawn Ryan?

  What the fuck?

• 2:11Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 2:11Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:12Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Oh gracious.

• 2:15Shawn Ryan?

  Give me, give me a brief summary and then I'll intro you.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Ah, so a brief summary. All right. Well. Uh, as brief as I can make it. You have a lot of really cool people to watch your show. Uh, and after our episode, a lot of those really cool people, most of them in law enforcement started reaching out to me. Um, we can get into the details of what all has transpired since then, but one of the results of that episode was that, uh, the student Ryan Dalton, former State Department Diplomatic Security Special Agent. Who is behind the website Epstein isn't dead.org was made aware of who we are and what we do. He had this idea to go down to Epstein Island to get eyeballs on it again, to raise awareness. Um.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  And he hit me up. Actually, he hit me up before he had the idea of Epstein Island, just wanting to know if we would be willing to help him, uh, run the open source intelligence investigations tied to his website. Um, and you know, for context, I'm not convinced Epstein's alive. I'm definitely convinced he, he didn't leave that jail cell a dead man. I don't know that he's still alive. I am convinced his network is very much alive and operating though. You know, something that large doesn't just die, uh, because they say he died, you know, and one person got arrested like this. That's not how this works. So.

• 3:40Shawn Ryan?

  Is it weird that one person got her biggest, biggest sex trafficking, most elite sex trafficking ring in the world?

• 3:47Speaker 03

  With, with.

• 3:48Shawn Ryan?

  One, two.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  One incarceration. Yeah. Jezlyn Maxwell. Well, now three, I got arrested. Um, so not for sex trafficking.

• 3:56Shawn Ryan?

  Now let's be.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Hold on, let me correct you. This will be clear on that. I got arrested for trespassing on pedophile island. Uh, which is weird because nobody's been arrested for being a pedophile on that island. Um.

• 4:06Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, you know, they're all being protected by the president of the United States.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, or somebody, somebody.

• 4:11Shawn Ryan?

  Or, yeah.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Or, or multiple.

• 4:13Shawn Ryan?

  Or somebody that's controlling him.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, there, there's definitely some, some weird stuff going on, man. Um. So yeah, I told Ryan, uh, like I'm, I'm always down for crazy ideas. You know this about me. Um. I wanted to go down there. I wanted to plant a We Fight Monsters flag on that beach. And, you know, kind of symbolically reclaim that property for good purposes. I was under the impression that a billionaire, Stephen Deckoff, had bought the island. It was going to turn it into a resort. Beaches can't be private in the Virgin Islands, so going on that beach was an allowable thing to do. And I thought we would go down there, plant our flags, call it a day. We got a little excited on the way in. We saw his temple, which everybody's seen Epstein's temple on that island.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  We saw that and, uh, and kind of forgot that you're not allowed to go beyond the beach.

• 5:05Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man. All right. We'll get into the rest in a minute. Let me give you an intro, just for anybody that didn't see the first episode. Ben Owen,

• 5:15Shawn Ryan?

  you are the CEO of Once American, is Memphis, a Memphis-based AI and digital forensics company, whose Intel Foundry platform supports law enforcement and federal partners in ONSET, uh, excuse me, OSINT targeting and counter trafficking operations. Alongside your wife Jessica, you co-founded We Fight Monsters, a nonprofit working at the intersection of anti-trafficking efforts, community violence intervention, reentry support and survivor housing. Together, you've raised biological, foster and adopted children, including your Afghan daughter, Erizel, who we spoke about in your last interview.

• 5:57Shawn Ryan?

  You also lead Owen Army, Flanders Fields and Black Rifle Co. And have been involved in disaster response efforts across the country. From the Uvalde shooting, school shooting to the Lahaina, I'm so butchered in that fires, to Hurricane Helene and beyond. Most recently, you made headlines after traveling to Little St. James, a part of the Epstein Isn't Dead campaign to investigate the Epstein criminal network. Just for, uh, context here, Little St. James is Epstein Island.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  That is Epstein Island.

• 6:36Shawn Ryan?

  During your escape from the island, you say you were hogtied, unlawfully restrained, kidnapped, and assaulted by Epstein's property manager before later being charged with misdemeanor trespassing. You are currently out on bond. Welcome back to the show. Well, how much was your bond?

• 6:54Speaker 03

  500 bucks.

• 6:55Shawn Ryan?

  500 bucks? That's it?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  That's it. That's it. Which, it's, it's kinda weird that-

• 7:01Shawn Ryan?

  You should have called me. I could have posted that one.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Oh, I was prepared. I took bond money with me.

• 7:05Shawn Ryan?

  It would have been an honor.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  You gotta think about what we do. I've always got bond money in my backpack. I, I never expected it to be for me.

• 7:11Shawn Ryan?

  Old habits.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, right. Um, the, my bond was 10 times the maximum fine for trespassing. Like, so they were definitely trying to make an example out of me, I think. Um, yeah, the, it's a $50 fine for trespassing. Now, they can give you it for 30 days in prison for it. I did not know that. Um, but hopefully that didn't happen. Yeah, I'm, I'm out on bond.

• 7:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they didn't try to cut you up in pieces and throw you down the trash chute into the ocean or do any, do any ritualist, satanic blood rituals or-

• 7:43Speaker 03

  I was waiting.

• 7:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Like, I, I didn't expect to get kidnapped. Uh, you know, once I realized we had progressed beyond the beach, I, I knew that trespassing, I was trespassing. I knew I was. Um, and so I expected that, uh-

• 7:58Shawn Ryan?

  Let's, let's back up. Let's go, yeah, before we get into all these different rabbit holes. So you got approached. Where did you guys, where did you sail from? Where did you go from Memphis?

• 8:11Speaker 03

  We, we met, uh, on St. Thomas. Um, we, we got a ferry from St. Thomas over to St. John and chartered a boat.

• 8:21Shawn Ryan?

  Just for context, for anybody that doesn't know where this island is, it's just a little due east of Puerto Rico.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Right, right. Yep. It's closer to Venezuela than it is the mainland United States.

• 8:32Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, down in the Caribbean. I mean, it's paradise. It's, it's like heaven on earth down there. Just absolutely beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Um, so we, we chartered a boat from St. John and, and took that to Little St.

• 8:46Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of boat?

• 8:47Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't even know, like a fishing boat, you know? Nothing, nothing fancy. How far was the? Twenty minutes. That's it? Yeah, it's close, dude. It's close. And that's, that's the thing, like, I, I did not expect that island to be as surrounded by people and other islands as it was. Like, it's, it's not some secretive enclave that you can't see, you know? There's like helicopter tours going on all the time, you know, but it's, it's, it's right out there in the open. Mm hmm. Wow. Yeah. Did not expect that, so. I guess you, you want me to walk you through that day? Yeah, yeah. How many of you guys were there? So there were five of us in total. Three of us went on the island. What did the other two do?

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Boat. Took care of the boat. Okay. Yeah. Had, had to have somebody. I didn't know if you like beached it or? No, there, so that was the thing. That was, that was like our, our plan. Uh, was to, you know, beach the boat and like run up and, and, but that, there were too many rocks. I'm a little upset I didn't get an invite. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm a fucking frogman. I've done this shit. A- A time or two. You know, hindsight's 2020. Next time it's gonna be me. There, there might be a next time. Not on that island, but, but maybe somewhere else, right? We'll go find another. Yeah, we'll do it the right way. Land to raid. It'll be me, you, Scott man, Travis Peterson. We'll, we'll, we'll have the right team together next time. Uh, this team, this time it was like the, uh,

• 10:11Speaker 03

  the Memphis A team, right? Um, couldn't get the boat up to the beach because of the rocks. So we realized we're gonna have to swim, uh, which we knew was a possibility. I'm not a great swimmer. I'm not gonna drown, but I'm also not a great swimmer. So we had to swim, I don't know, it was like fifty, hundred yards. And our plan was still to plant the flag. So I'm swimming with this twenty foot collapsible flagpole and boots. And I'm hardly not a great swimmer. So by the time I get to where I can even stand up, I'm done. Like, it's over with. And, and, uh, like, I've still got twenty yards from where I was able to stand up to walk across this rocky reef to shore. And like, I'm just, my legs are not working. They're rubber at this point.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Um, definitely need to do more cardio. I hate cardio, but, uh, the, the need was made very apparent. If I'm gonna go out there and do hood rat shit, I need to be. A little bit better shape on the cardio side. So we finally get to the beach and like I can barely stand up. We got a 400 yard near vertical climb to get to this temple, right? Holy shit. For people unaware of Epstein's temple, just Google it. Like it's this little cube up on a cliff. And while Epstein had it, it was like painted to look like a Muslim temple. It's like, you know, blue and there's gold, it's got stripes. Uh, it looks like some- Yeah. Yeah. It looks like something you would see, uh- Israel colors. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Um, that's actually a very good point. Mm-hmm.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Um, and, uh, currently it's, you know, it's all painted gray and boarded up. And I want to be very explicit about this. We had no intentions of trying to go inside the temple. Like we were not there to enter any dwellings or, or like we just wanted to get pictures with our flags. In front of the temple and stick a 20 foot flag pole in the ground, which we, we never ended up doing because we got caught. Did you see any activity on the, on the way up? Yeah. Yeah. You could see them running around and we thought they were golf carts. They were ATVs. Um, so you, you definitely see people on the island. And at this point I'm assuming, you know, it's like groundskeepers.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  This deck off billionaire guy is turning it into a resort. So those must be his employees. Um, later find out that wasn't the case. Uh, so, uh, we, we made it to the temple. We got our pictures, you know, with our flags up there.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Sean. I brought you the flag. Get the fuck out of here. I brought you the flag. Yeah. Holy shit. I actually had a bit of a- This is the flag you brought to- This is the flag that went to Epstein Island and was in front of his temple and, and Laura's got the pictures. Uh, so. Holy shit, dude. Yeah.

• 12:59Shawn Ryan?

  Now that, that's for you.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  I accidentally left it in Georgia. Oh, you know what? I need to get a picture. You holding that?

• 13:07Speaker 03

  I accidentally left it in Georgia and so my business partner had to go to my house yesterday and overnight that to y'all's P O box at the UPS store. Thank God it made it. That was a panic attack. So we get up there, you know, we take our pictures of the flags and like you can see the A T Vs coming and they're coming deep. There's like four of them and like you can just tell by the way they're driving, they're pissed. And so I, I was still unable to breathe or really stand. So I'm thinking in my head like, yep, I'm about to get a misdemeanor charge, you know?

• 13:44Shawn Ryan?

  How long did it take you to get up there?

• 13:45Speaker 03

  God, 15 minutes, maybe. Uh, maybe 10. I don't know. Um, and you know, the two guys that were on the island with me, uh, they don't have criminal backgrounds. They're former feds, you know? And so if anybody's taking a charge today, it's gonna be me. Um, I don't know how many misdemeanor convictions I have, but adding one more to the mix isn't the end of the world for me. So they were able to get back to the boat. I was definitely not. I ended up collapsing like on this hillside full of cactuses. Bro, I was pulling

• 14:23Speaker 03

  cactus thorns out of my leg for two weeks. It was so bad. Um, so, yeah, sorry. I sit down. Uh, I mean, I didn't have any choice. Like I physically could not continue. Uh, so I sit down and, and basically I'm, I'm the bait at this point. All of the security guys are coming to me while the other two guys make their way back to the boat. And uh, like they're, they're helping, they're being nice. Uh, I could tell by the accents and I could hear them talk to each other. They're Haitian, you know, I heard them speaking Creole. Uh, we worked, uh, some Haitian refugee stuff a few years back. So I don't speak Creole, but I definitely recognize it. And so when I realized they were Haitian,

• 15:06Speaker 03

  um, I was like, I can probably, you know, make buddies with them, just tell them some stories about the work we did in the refugee camps and stuff. But I couldn't breathe enough to talk at this point, other than asking for water. So I hadn't started that process of trying to make friends out of them. But that's where my head was. So they finally get me up and after multiple times of falling back into cactuses, trying to get up this hill, um, I finally make it to the trail up top. They told me, you know, we'll get you some water and I'm thinking, okay, you know, here comes my misdemeanor charge. It's, everything's fine.

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• 17:33Speaker 03

  When we get to the the pathway, another ATV pulls up and it's this black female driving it and there's water and I'm like, thank fucking god dude, because I thought I was about to die. And so I grab water, she knocks it out of my hand, I mean like violently knocks it out of my hand and then she grabs the rest of the waters in the ATV and throws them down the hill. And I was like, I might have a problem now. Um, it became quickly apparent that that she's calling the shots and everything those guys had just told me is bullshit. So I go to sit down in her ATV, what she she told me to sit down and then she tells the Haitian dude behind me to tie me up. I'm like, well, this is odd. Uh, that's not

• 18:18Speaker 03

  normally what happens when you're, you know, trespassing. Um, They have guns? Nah, they didn't have guns, but like, I was so gassed, there was no resisting even if I wanted to, man. And plus, there's, you know, six, seven of them and one of me. Um, so even if I had energy to resist or flee, I don't think I'd have done it at this point. I also had no idea what was about to happen. You know, if I had known what was coming, I would have found the energy to somehow resist or run. Um, so the Haitian that tied me up was the one I had started trying to make buddies with. He's sitting behind me and he's, you know, through the little gap in the seat, just puts a rope kind of loosely around my hands. Um, and so I'm like, thinking, you know, it's at

• 19:03Speaker 03

  the end of the world, it's no big deal, whatever. I'm gonna, you know, wait on the police to come and no big deal. And so she drives us down to the dock and I know now who she is. Her name's Emery Polian. I'll explain more about who she is here in a bit.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  The drive us down to the dock. Um, once I'm at the dock, uh, this Hispanic dude comes up and tightens the ropes on my wrist behind me and then they tie me to a pole on the dock. And then he ties my feet and I'm like, this is getting weirder and weirder, right? But in my mind, I'm sitting on this dock waiting on the police because the police have to come to the dock to get me, right? And I'm expecting, you know, police to come, give me a misdemeanor citation. I'm, I'm trying to figure out like, well, how am I going to get it back to St. John? I don't have a phone. I've got nothing. I have absolutely nothing on me. I'm, I've got boots and my Wii fight monsters bathing suit. I didn't have a shirt and it was hot. Like I was, I was

• 20:03Speaker 03

  roasting. Um, Emery gets a phone call about this time. Um, I've probably been Who? Emery, the black female that was driving ATV. Uh, so I've probably been tied up for about an hour, maybe 30 minutes at this point. I don't know. Time was elusive. Uh, I was definitely, you know, heat exhaustion was setting in. Uh, I was dehydrated as hell. I'd inhaled a bunch of seawater on the way up and then obviously that huge physical exertion trying to get up there and then get away. Um, she gets phone call and she answers on speaker and calls the woman on the other end, mom. And I'm like, that is very strange. What is going on? Um,

• 20:49Speaker 03

  and mom tells her to duct tape me and put me in the dungeon. And I'm thinking in my head that what an awful choice of words for somebody who works for a billionaire trying to rebrand this island from what it used to be. Why would you call it the dungeon? That is a strange thing to say. Um, and

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Wow, that's strange. Her mom? Right. Her mom. Um,

• 21:20Speaker 03

  And I'm thinking in my head like this lady's just trying to scare me. Uh, and you know, they're, they're taking pictures of me the whole time and I was not about to let them know I was freaked out. So I would smile at them like, and I'm trying to irritate them a little bit, but also let them know like I'm, I'm good. You might remember from the last time we talked, this was not the first time I've been kidnapped. And so I'm trying to stay as calm as I possibly can, or actually was pretty damn calm at this point. You know, uh, no big deal. Uh, I'm getting a misdemeanor citation. I just gotta sit through this bullshit while these people harass me until the police get there. So, uh, What, can you see your, your buddies? No, they were long gone. They were long, they had to be. Okay.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Uh, because of their backgrounds and the lines of work they're in today, a trespassing charge is going to harm their livelihood. I would suspect. You know my background. You think I care about another misdemeanor? I really, no. Um, thank God I'm not a felon and, and I knew I wasn't facing any felony here, but a misdemeanor, who cares, man? That's what I'm thinking at the time. I didn't realize in that moment that the Virgin Islands can actually give you 30 days in prison for misdemeanor trespassing. I thought it was a citation. I was wrong. Uh, so hindsight being 2020, I probably should have researched that a little bit more.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  So they, she gets off the phone with mom and, uh, the Haitians and Hispanic dude go to look for duct tape, which they can't find, but they did find flex cuffs. It's like the third red flag. Why the fuck do you have flex cuffs on Epstein Island? So they put me, you know, the zip tie me, I've got flex cuffs, half inch zip ties and rope at this point. Um, and they tell me to go to the ATV. Well, this dock's like, I don't know, 50 yards long and I'm hobbled and they make me start hopping down this dock to, uh, the very last ATV in line, uh, to transport me somewhere else.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  You remember monkey fuckers that you used to have doing PT? No. So. Maybe. Let me demonstrate. The monkey fucker tree, you hold your ankles like this. Oh shit. That's basically what I'm doing. For fifty yards down the stock, I've got like, I don't know, a foot between me and this row of ATVs of dock to hop on and the ocean on the other side of me. And I'm positive I'm gonna fall in. And she start, Emery starts joking, you know, maybe they should just kick me in since I'm so thirsty. And I'm like, these motherfuckers about to try to make me drown. So, I'm still hardly able to breathe, uh, like terribly dehydrated. Like, all I can think about is wanting water. And I'm having to do monkey fuckers down this whole ass dock

• 24:09Speaker 03

  to get to their ATV so they can take me to wherever they're gonna take me. To the dungeon, is what they called it. And, again, I'm still thinking they're just trying to scare me. Well, we get to the dungeon and, uh, I quickly realized, like, they weren't trying to scare me, they legit have a dungeon. Um, I think we gave Laura a sky view, a satellite view from Google Earth of this thing. It's like this door in the middle of a hillside. The roof is grass, you know? And inside, it's like this ten by twenty dungeon. Like, there's noth- it's just a cement room.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  The optics, I'm, I'm thinking at this point in time. What went on in that room? Right, yeah. But, see, I had no idea at this point who these people were. So, none of this is clicking in my head, really. Like, I know I'm on Epstein Island. Um, I know the history, uh, but I wasn't nearly as freaked out as I should have been, right? Um, they, they throw me in this room, it's like a hundred and twenty degrees in there. Uh, and they come add duct tape now to my ankles, my knees. Mom calls again, and they keep answering this bitch on speakerphone. Um, just, I'm, I'm positive they're trying to, like, psy out me and terrify me even more.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  And she tells them to make sure I'm in the corner of that room so that the breeze from the doorway cannot reach me. And I'm dreading that happening because the breeze felt like the only thing that's keeping me conscious. She tells them to continue denying me water. Um, I hear her say over the phone, if it was up to me, I would just shoot every one of these motherfuckers. The Haitians keep referring to the woman on the other end of the phone as the owner, the owner, the owner. Emery leaves. I'm trying to talk to the Haitians like, please give me some water. Please give me some water. Um, and they're like, look, if you think this one's bad, just wait till the owner gets here. So repeated references made to the owner. So I'm, I'm still thinking like the owner is Steve Deckoff. And maybe they're talking about his wife or something.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Um, I don't know how many hours have passed at this point, but it was a bunch. Um, finally the owner shows up, uh, who I later figured out was mom. Who was on the phone with Emery every time she comes like, Emery had come back and given me water. Like I had been trying to work, you know, my magic on human connection with her and the Haitians this whole time. And I think it finally started paying off a little bit because she did come back with ice cold water. Um, and you know, she poured it in my mouth for me. And it was like a different persona than the Emery that had me down there, you know, near, near the beach.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Like you could tell she was angry as shit in the beginning. Um, so mom gets there. Now I know who mom is today. I did not at that moment. Her name is Anne Rodriguez. And she is Emery Polly on the mother. Um, she gets there furious just, and I don't understand why she's so mad. Uh, like all I'm, I was just gonna take a picture and leave the island. Uh huh. We weren't even trying to interact with people. They were hundreds of yards away, uh, until they saw us and came to us like, I, I know I was trespassing. I'm, I'm aware of that, but the level of vitriol coming from this woman towards me made zero sense to me at the time.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Um. Is she the legit owner? I don't know. I don't know. We'll, we'll get there. Uh, well, no, let's get there now. I'll tell you who she is. Uh, she was Jeffrey Epstein's property manager. In other words. How do you know that? The files. The Epstein files. Oh shit. If you search her name in there, it returns 23,000 results. Twenty three thousand? Thousand results. Um, you know, a lot of emails with her calling Jeffrey boss man. Emails of her handling flights and lodging for females. Um. Like she was managing logistics and a maintenance, security. Uh.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  To say that. The whole fucking thing and she's just running around out there. Right. To say it a different way. Not detained. What? Nothing. Fuck. And, and apparently kidnapping people.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  Uh, so the Haitians, she blindfolds me and at this point I do get, I start getting a little scared. You know, I may have watched an ISIS beheading video or two, too many. Because when the blindfold went on, I was like, fuck, I'm about to get executed, you know? Um.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  And more time passes. At this point, panic sets in because I'm like, I'm convinced they're going to kill me. I still don't know what I just told you. I don't know that she's Epstein's property manager. I don't know that Emery Polian, I don't know any of that at this point. I just know I'm tied up in a room that this lady calls the dungeon. Side note. The woman that ran the island for Jeffrey Epstein called that the dungeon. That, that's scary. That's scary. So I don't know how much time has passed. Several hours I've been in this dungeon. Um. I hear the door open. Uh, I hear a camera start clicking. And now I'm convinced here comes the beheading, you know, they're going to record it in 4K. Uh, and.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Hand goes in the back of my head, rips my blindfold off. I'm like, yep, here it comes. They're going to take blindfold off and just cut off my head, you know? And, and instead of that happening, uh, I'm looking at a Virgin Islands Police Department detective with an evidence camera. Uh, and. I just got the biggest shit inning grin on my face. I was like, I am so glad to see you. Uh, like knowing I'm probably about to get arrested, but God, I was glad because whatever has been happening is finally over. So I thought. I hear a lot of commotion outside the dungeon. Uh, the cop of the evidence camera has stepped out asking somebody, can they come cut me loose? Um, and this dude charges into the dungeon, uh, young black male and just runs up to me and, and smacks me on the side of my head, closed fist. I'm lost.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  The police are here, this dude's hitting like, what is going on? So I got all these thoughts going through my head like, oh my God, are the cops in on it? Like, what is actually going on right now? Um, instead, the cops grabbed him, dragged him out. All right. Uh, I hear Emery screaming outside, it wasn't him, it wasn't him. I thought she's talking about the dude that just hit me. She's actually talking about me because what I forgot was that I heard her screaming over the radio earlier, uh, that somebody had pushed her down on the beach. Now I didn't see that because I was detained by the Haitians, uh, and, and we've actually got the receipts. I don't, I don't think anybody pushed her, uh, down. Um, but Paul, who's apparently her boyfriend, thought I was the one who pushed her.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  She's pregnant. I'd have hit me too. Like I, I'd have hit me in front of the cops even, you know? So when they finally cut me loose, I go out there, I see Paul in handcuffs in the back of one of these ATVs and I straight up tell the cops like, if that kid's in handcuffs right now because of what just happened to me, please take him out. Like, I don't want to press charges. I'm good. You know, I'm fine. Everything's cool. Uh, if he thought I pushed his pregnant girlfriend down while trespassing on her island, I'd have, whatever, I'd have beat the hell out of me, you know? So I'm trying to get him out of trouble. Uh, and that's when it dawned on me that the cops are a lot more concerned about this than I was. They told me, we're not taking anybody out of handcuffs until we figure out who hogtied you. And then the gravity of what is going on starts setting in. There's 15 or 20 cops out here.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  And they're much more interested in why I'm hogtied than they are in the fact I was trespassing.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  I hear the Haitians and Ann Rodriguez talking, uh, reference was made to, you know, this is the seventh time this has happened. Uh, and I'm like, what the fuck? This is the seventh time? So like, what, what's actually going on here? So, uh, the cops takes down their fast boats. They've got two of them there. Um, I'm still not in handcuffs. Uh, Paul still is, and they take us all back to St. Thomas. Um, they let us get out of the boats. Uh, and one of the detectives that had been asking me all these questions, I didn't want to give a statement. I, I just wanted it to be over with,

• 32:47Speaker 03

  you know, and I didn't think I was getting arrested. Uh, I was just gonna let bygones be bygones. Like, you know, whatever you hogtied me, you kidnapped me, but I trespassed, we'll call it even, that kind of thing. Um, I, I don't stress too much about things. Well, one of the detectives comes over and tells me that, that Ann is insisting on doing a citizen's arrest. I'm like, what does, what does that mean? Uh, like technically for a citizen's arrest, she needed to tell me she's placing her citizen's arrest back on the island. Like this is like way too late at this point, but the cops are kind of their hands, they feel like their hands are tied. Um, they're gonna have to go ahead and charge me. So they take me back to the station and, you know, I'm, I'm expecting that because the citizen's arrest wasn't done the correct and,

• 33:31Speaker 03

  and legal way, that they'll probably end up just cutting me loose. When we got back to, uh, the GBI, the GIB, General Investigations Bureau on St. Thomas, and I realized like they're not letting me go, I am gonna have to go to jail. I was like, well, in that case, I will give a statement. I'll tell you everything. Um, you know, so they, you know, got a recorded video statement from me and I told them basically everything I just told you. Um, only probably better because it was much fresher on my mind, right? Um, and after that, they're like, well, do you have anybody you can call who can come post your bond? And I was like, yeah, I was actually, you know, I was prepared for this. Uh, so I had bond money in the boat. Um, uh, I'm gonna call Ryan. And so I, I called Ryan. Um,

• 34:18Speaker 03

  And he comes down there and when he gets there, he, I had completely forgotten about this. They want him to give a statement and he drops the bomb on him. Oh, by the way, I'm a lawyer. And so I was like, oh yeah, he's a lawyer. So the cops go ahead and let him know because they're assuming he's my lawyer. He's not, um, I don't, I don't even think he's licensed to practice. He's just been to law school and passed bar or whatever. They tell him that they're going to charge the people on the island, uh, with kidnapping.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  I can't remember if it was false imprisonment or unlawful detention, something along those lines and assault for what happened to me. Now those charges haven't dropped yet. I'm assuming they have to go to a grand jury for that to happen.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  They, they've, oh, Paul, the kid that hit me walks past, you know, and apologizes to me and I'm still trying to get him out of trouble. Like I, I, I don't feel like he should have been. Makes, if I'm being honest, the way he acted, the way the Haitians acted, like, I think they're all scared of Anne too. I really do. Um, they booked me into jail. Cops cool as crap the whole time. I love Virgin Islands Police Department like the, I didn't have a shirt on. The SVU sergeant gave me her, her Punisher T-shirt. Like everybody was being cool as crap. They booked me into jail with my cell phone, like to book me right back out, you know, post bond and uh, I ran into Paul in release. We fist bumped, like everything seems cool, you know?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  And we, we get back to the Airbnb. I recorded a video while it was all fresh in my mind, which I, Laura's got that.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  And they tell me I gotta be in court Monday, uh, which was a little stressful because my flight home was Monday. And at this point I wanted nothing more than to just go back home.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  So Monday rolls around and, uh, we go to court.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Me and Ryan, he's not been arrested, so he's just there with me.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  And we're, we go in for my, they, they did a little different down there. Like in Memphis, if you get arrested, your first court hearing is your arraignment, right? Down there they do a probable cause hearing first. So it's my probable cause hearing. And, uh, I get to hear.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  The probable cause statement that the police had put together right out loud in court. And that's when I first learned Paul's name, Emery's name, Anne's name.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  But it's also where I learned that VIPD responded to that island not for trespassing. Somebody called them and reported a kidnapping, me. So I don't know who did that. We've, we've asked for the 911 calls, but my gut tells me it was one of those Haitians, dude. I think somebody on that island was scared of what was about to happen. Because nobody on my boat had a clue I'd been kidnapped at all. They were clueless. They thought I was being detained for trespassing.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  We decided to stick around in court because we heard Anne Rodriguez's name in, in my probable cause statement. And we noticed Anne Rodriguez has court this morning and she's in custody. That's strange because I know she hasn't been indicted on kidnapping me yet. What's going on? So we sit through that appearance too. And as it turns out, a month prior, or maybe a little more than a month, I think it was like on March 1st. She kidnapped a Spaniard at gunpoint. What? For running a drone on the island. Yeah, kid, kid, and made him strip butt ass naked, hogtied him too.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  The Spaniard's brother was able to escape on boat, got the police. The police came back and found the dude hogtied butt naked in a boat.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  And so that's what she was in custody for was kidnapping this dude at gunpoint. Now it turned out to be a fake gun, but that doesn't matter. You can't, you know, use a BB gun to kidnap something. So there's obviously a pattern of this. And so now the pieces start kind of coming together. You know, I heard the Haitians say this has happened seven times. Well, now I know of two times, Spaniard and me. What happened to the other five guys? Or were they just, you know, running their mouth? Maybe it didn't happen seven times, maybe it's only happened twice. But clearly there's a pattern of this behavior.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  In hindsight, I don't know that she intended for me to leave that island. Like I don't know what the actual plan was. But

• 38:59Speaker 03

  the fact that the woman who ran that island for Jeffrey Epstein is not only running it today. She lives on it in this gigantic mansion, I assume, because that's the only residence I'm aware of on the island. The guys on the island that work, they refer to her as the owner. She's kidnapping people and throwing them in a room she calls the dungeon. Like, what the fuck is going on? And why with the release of all these files and all the public outcry of Epstein? Why am I the only guy that's been arrested for being on that island?

• 39:35Shawn Ryan?

  You know why.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Do I?

• 39:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 03

  It's fucked up, Sean.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  I more and more feel like we live in an occupied country. What just happened with Massey is kind of a scary example of that.

• 39:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean,

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Joe Kent's resignation.

• 39:59Shawn Ryan?

  AIPAC's literally bragging about buying that election.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 40:05Shawn Ryan?

  We're an occupied country.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:07Shawn Ryan?

  There's no other way to look at it.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  There's no other way to look at it. And it begs the question, like,

• 40:11Shawn Ryan?

  Our president is saying he has a 99% approval rating in Israel.

• 40:18Shawn Ryan?

  What's he got like, I think it's down to like 30% or something. I mean, I gotta check, but we check it on the break.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  It scares the hell out of me, you know? It scares the hell out of me. Oh, then they sued.

• 40:33Shawn Ryan?

  What scares you about it?

• 40:34Speaker 03

  What scares me about it? I have nine kids that have to grow up in this nation. I have helped. I don't even know how many people at this point escape a life of addiction. So that they're able to become functional members of society again. And what is, what is the society that they're coming back into?

• 40:57Speaker 03

  It scares me. I'm a grandparent.

• 40:59Shawn Ryan?

  Scares me too.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  I love, I love the America I grew up believing in, and I don't recognize it anymore.

• 41:10Shawn Ryan?

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• 41:54Shawn Ryan?

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• 42:25Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think the America that you grew up believing in was the real thing?

• 42:31Speaker 03

  At this point, I don't even know. And it honestly hurts me to say that. It hurts to think about it, you know? I have believed in American exceptionalism my entire life. And more and more, I've started realizing that I don't think either political party believes in that. I think they view...

• 43:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  I think they view America as a means to an end. Personal gain. Both of them. You know, I'm, if you watch me ever on social media, I loathe politics. I believe in maximum rights for maximum people all the time, which I believe would just make me a libertarian. But like, I'm out there, you know, trying to save lives in some of the most impoverished communities in America. I'm, I'm trying to move the needle for marginalized communities. I've fought genocide overseas, you know, it's, we've done all these things and suffering and, and what I'm seeing is that our own government seems to be fomenting suffering right here at home. Well, and, and abroad, obviously, but I'm just lost, man.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  I'm lost and, and the more I do these weird things that I keep getting myself pulled into, the more I start seeing that something's fucked up. There's something that's not making sense. There's a boogeyman out there somewhere and I can't figure out who it is or where it is.

• 44:04Shawn Ryan?

  I know the feeling.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  You know, the first time I came on here, I thought the State Department was the boogeyman because they were in our way on everything in Afghanistan. And then I started thinking, maybe the FBI is the boogeyman because this and that, and they're getting in the way on everything we're trying to do combating human, you know.

• 44:21Shawn Ryan?

  And now you realize they're all just extensions.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Hundred percent. Well, I, I just went to Epstein Island trying to bring light to that with a dude from the State Department and a couple of people from the FBI. Like they're, they're not the boogeyman either. Something is, there's something pulling the strings and I think we both know what it is.

• 44:38Shawn Ryan?

  It's Israel.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it's Israel.

• 44:40Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not, I don't even fucking care anymore, dude.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:43Shawn Ryan?

  I don't believe in right.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  You've got security. I don't, right?

• 44:48Shawn Ryan?

  I know, but I mean, if somebody wants you dead.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know what? You're exactly, it doesn't matter how much security you got. It's Israel. It's Israel. Our, our nation has been sold. We're an occupied nation. Um, and I, I honestly feel like Epstein is tied into that in a million different ways and, you know.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  I don't know what I've stepped in. I don't. I'm, I'm a little bit scared. I don't regret it. I've, I've gone up against our government before and the Afghan evac, you know, I've, I've been in front of Congress and, and like, told them, you guys fucked up. You got a crackhead responsible for safe housing, America's first interpreter in a global war on terror. If that doesn't show you that you fucked up and screwed up your job, I don't know what does. I've, I've got no problem going up against their own government, but I don't know what I'm going up against this time. I really don't. I, I don't know if there's a billionaire on the other side of this. They've sued me now. Sued you?

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, they sued me civilly. The entity that owns the island, LSJVILC. And if that is actually owned by a billionaire, that's a terrifying thing that I'm being sued by a billionaire.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  The way the lawsuit reads though, makes me wonder, is there actually a billionaire involved in this at all? Or is this all Ian Rodriguez? They accused me, 30 seconds of Googling me, or just asking their favorite AI, could have prevented the, the absurdity that is their affidavit against me. They called me a very violent man. There's not one shred of evidence to back that up. In fact, I've got a global track record, a very public global track record of combating violence and genocide and human rights abuses. And they said that my lengthy drug use, which I mean, that's accurate. I've been very open about that, means that I'm basically insane and subject to conspiracy theories. Bro, I'm not into conspiracy theories. Not

• 46:47Speaker 03

  even a little bit. The, the lawsuit they filed against me was basically slanderous, inflammatory, you know. But it still scares me. Like, is, is there a billionaire behind this? Is Israel behind this? What, what am I actually getting myself into at this point? And

• 47:10Speaker 03

  I'm not afraid to take it on big issues. You know, your team saw that in Memphis. I will step in the middle of the biggest pile of shit on earth if I think I can make a difference. And so far, I've not found anything where I can't make a difference. And I think that's something intrinsic to all of us. We can all make differences in really big things. But whatever I'm in the middle of now, am I actually able to make a difference? And what is the risk level I have just exposed myself to trying to do that? I saw an article today before we came here, I think it was the New York Post. A lady in somewhere in the Southwest, a journalist ran a piece about Epstein's CIA ties.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  She's just announced that she's leaving the country because she's been subject to DEW attacks. Now, is she crazy or is that real? I mean, it seemed like an incredible outlet around the story, but that, I mean, that terrifies the shit out of me. She's talking about Epstein and this is happening. There's this other lady on TikTok who covered my arrest, who said she's been having people like show up at her house at weird hours, kicking the door. And I've not had anything weird like that happen yet, but is it coming? What have I opened my kids up to at this point by doing? And all I was trying to do was shed light on that damn island. And we have uncovered a hell of a lot more than we ever intended to. Mm hmm. Ever. You can't get to the bottom of the entity that who owns it?

• 48:34Speaker 03

  So I have not been able to. It is a Delaware LLC. Public articles, you know, say that Stephen Deckoff bought both islands, Greater St. James and Little St. James in one transaction. Pulling the property tax records, and we've done all this since my arrest. Pulling property tax records, you can see that Black Diamond LLC, which is definitely Deckoff, that's known, is paying the property taxes on Great St. James. There's this other entity that is paying the property to LSJVI, Little St. James Virgin Islands LLC, that is paying the taxes on Little St. James. Why? If you own both of them, why not have your entity paid the taxes on both of them?

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Why not have your entity on both of them? Why have this mysterious shell company on this other one when you publicly said you bought it? I'm not saying that that in and of itself is anything nefarious. There could be a million financial, maybe that's why he's a billionaire and I'm not, you know, he knows what to do with money. But it begs the question, like, what is actually going on? What is actually going on here? Because I don't see that island getting turned into a resort. And, look, I'll tell you this, if I'm a billionaire, and I buy the world's most notorious island for pedophiles, and I want to rebrand it and change the public perception of it, the very first thing I'm gonna do is fire every motherfucker that worked for the last guy who was trafficking kids to that

• 50:03Speaker 03

  island. I'm not keeping his property manager. And if she kidnapped a guy March 1st, I'm not leaving her on the island until April 25th to do it again. Like, these are all giant red flags that, that, to me, makes it seem like there's not actually a billionaire in the picture. You don't get to become a billionaire by being, you know, reckless. And those seem like some pretty reckless, like, really disastrous PR moves right there, if, if they're true. Wow.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  What are you thinking?

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I mean, honestly, and I hate to say this because of how, how hard I have fought to change, uh, the things that bother me, I, I think our nation's fucked. I, the Massey election, you know,

• 51:02Speaker 03

  shocked me. Shocked me. Did not expect that. We've, we've got good people in Congress, you know, Roe Connet, you've, you've sat down, Roe. You, we've got Nancy Mace, Massey, there are good people trying, not Massey anymore. I don't know, man. I don't know.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  You don't think any of them are good? See.

• 51:26Shawn Ryan?

  I think.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Here's the difference between me and you.

• 51:30Shawn Ryan?

  Every time I think somebody's good.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Right. And that's, that is my perpetual problem.

• 51:36Shawn Ryan?

  Just, just the other day. Saw something else. I, it's just.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  My default.

• 51:42Shawn Ryan?

  I don't even like bringing anybody on anymore, cause.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 51:45Shawn Ryan?

  I didn't mean, that's, you know. Yes, do I think there are people good in there? Probably.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  You know what?

• 51:52Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Now, let's actually.

• 51:54Shawn Ryan?

  Like.

• 51:57Shawn Ryan?

  I like Roe. I like Massey.

• 52:03Shawn Ryan?

  I like. It's just, I don't, I just, I don't, I don't know, man. I mean. Because every time I vouch for somebody, I interview somebody. I don't really vouch.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  I was about to say, interviewing is not the same as vouch.

• 52:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't really vouch for anybody, but every time I. Not every.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Believe in. Every time you believe in.

• 52:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, every time I get, I believe in whatever. I just always wind up, it was just all fucking lies. It was all bullshit.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 52:32Shawn Ryan?

  They're all beating the same fucking drum.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  And that's it right there.

• 52:36Shawn Ryan?

  And like. You just rattled one of those people off. I just saw one of those people that you rattled off do a tweet. We're not sending our money anymore to Somalia. We're not gonna send it to Russia. We're not gonna send it to China.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, we are.

• 52:50Shawn Ryan?

  We're not gonna send it, yeah. And.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Damn it.

• 52:53Shawn Ryan?

  And, and I looked under there, do you know Nick Fuentes?

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:56Shawn Ryan?

  Nick Fuentes leaves a comment under there. He goes. Ah, I think you may have forgot one. Like, oh, yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  It's real?

• 53:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, like, oh, it was Nancy.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  I, I, I, I.

• 53:06Shawn Ryan?

  It's like, it's like, oh, okay. You forgot the one fucking country that everybody. All of your fucking constituents are bitching about, but you wanna look, you wanna look like a fucking courageous hard ass, right? You know what I mean? And then, and then it's, it's theatrics.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  I spent the bulk of my life an idealist, and I still am, and I trust everybody. My default is just, I just love everybody. I love people. You know, and that gets me burned in my line of work all the fucking time, you know? But. Having to face the realization that I've been an idealist and just blindly trusting my own government for my entire life. That one, that one made me sit down for a minute. I'll give you an example of just how brainwashed, it's not even brainwashed, I just accepted what got put in front of me for so long. I was all for Israel. And then, you know, we did the Afghan evacs, we did some conflict evac in Ukraine and some other places.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  So after October 7th, we did some evacs in Israel. And we tried to do them in Gaza, which we did a lot of humanitarian aid and all these other places I just named too. And so we tried to do that in Gaza because there's kids starving. And in that process, I think me and a lot of the same people that worked the Afghan evac, we were trying to do this one. And we were all believing Israel's good guys and how horrible this attack that just happened, which it was horrible. We're a week, two weeks maybe into this, and that meme of the dude saying, are we the baddies? Starts going around all these Signal chats because we're all, it's dawning on every one of us in real time. Israel is not who we thought they were.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Israel is not who we thought they were. We're seeing in real time evacuation corridors to prevent death and suffering get shut down. We're seeing aid centers get hit. You've seen it in Lebanon right now. We were seeing it in Syria. Hell, Israel put the al Qaeda leader in power in Syria. Like, what is it?

• 55:06Shawn Ryan?

  And then we invited him.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:08Shawn Ryan?

  To the fucking White House.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Yes. And fucking, who was it that took a selfie with him?

• 55:13Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know. Probably Trump.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Well, I'm sure. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to catch a lot of flack for saying this, and I don't mean it the way it sounds, but actually I do. Everything is fake and gay. All of it. Everything that is getting pushed down our throats from almost every legacy media outlet, everything. What you just told me about Mace is a great example. I didn't see that. And it did, honestly.

• 55:42Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking joke, dude.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  It's all fake and gay.

• 55:45Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know what? Are you a Christian?

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 55:47Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. That's what I think's happening. I think this is the same fucking government that, you know what I mean? The same fucking government that happened when 9/11 happened, when we were growing up and all this shit. And now there's a veil being lifted. All these, I mean, nobody's, look. How many, how much, how much shit has the Clintons and the Trumps talked about each other? How much shit have we heard from Donald Trump saying, I'm gonna fucking drain the DC swamp?

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:17Shawn Ryan?

  Bro, the DC swamp just got handed to you on a silver platter. They're a bunch of pedophiles.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:24Shawn Ryan?

  It's in the pizza gate shit.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:26Shawn Ryan?

  It's in the Epstein. It's in everything. There you go. There you go. Now you can drain the swamp. Is he gonna drain it?

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Nothing's happening.

• 56:33Shawn Ryan?

  Fuck, no, he's not gonna drain it. Cause he is the fucking swamp. He's in there with all the rest of them. They're all buddies. And this veil's getting lifted. And, you know, we've, I mean, what does Christianity say? Don't idolize.

• 56:50Shawn Ryan?

  Idolize it.

• 56:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, period.

• 56:51Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we've idolized, we've idolized George Bush. We've idolized Obama. We've idolized Biden. We've idolized Trump. We've idolized all these fucking people.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:04Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And now this veil's being lifted. These are the people that you've idolized.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:11Shawn Ryan?

  This is what they've done.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:14Shawn Ryan?

  This is, this is how they live. They live by a different set of rules.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  And I-

• 57:20Shawn Ryan?

  That's what's happening. It's all being unveiled. And we're seeing, this is why you don't idolize fucking human beings.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Bingo. Bingo. And you're seeing it happen, not just with, with politicians, you know, it's the athletes. Watching grown men almost fetishize a politician is the most bizarre thing in the world to me. It's even weirder than idolizing athletes. And, and more and more, I am seeing that veil being lifted. I think it's why a lot of my content is going viral lately. You know?

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Everybody is starting to realize that it, that there is a war going on and it is us first them, but it's not the us first them everybody thought it was. You know, this is-

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Our nation is rotting from the top down. And I think.

• 58:12Shawn Ryan?

  Xi just said we're a fucking declining nation. Trump agreed with him.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 58:16Shawn Ryan?

  Because we are.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  We are. We absolutely are. And, and I think it's going to continue declining as long as we, we look at this as though

• 58:25Speaker 03

  one side or the other is going to fix it. Like I'm, I'm watching perfectly rational human beings trash brilliant solutions because it came from the wrong team. That's fucking retarded.

• 58:36Shawn Ryan?

  Tom, I th- I really do think it's on purpose.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  It's gotta be.

• 58:40Shawn Ryan?

  I think the abortion stuff. I think the race stuff. I think second amendment stuff. This is shit that we're going to battle back and forth until the end of time.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  It is because we're, we're being pushed.

• 58:53Shawn Ryan?

  It because.

• 58:54Speaker 03

  This false.

• 58:55Shawn Ryan?

  It keeps us in the loop.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  It, we're, we're being pushed how everything has to be just two choices, black and white. You know, either you're pro-abortion and you want to murder babies. Or you're anti-abortion and you want, you know, women to die in childbirth. Those aren't the only two fucking options. We can accept that abortion is tragic and should be limited, but is sometimes necessary.

• 59:18Shawn Ryan?

  It's, that's not the point. Like these people don't, dude. We have Lindsey Graham in there who has no fucking kids. Why does that guy give a shit what happens to the country when he's fucking dead? He has no kids. He has no fucking future. There's no lineage to look out for.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:37Shawn Ryan?

  How the fuck did that guy get elected? South Carolina?

• 59:42Speaker 03

  It's a great question.

• 59:43Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, whatever. He's one of the, of however many of the same.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:48Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it's, it's. It really, it, I think we're leading up to a holy war. It's not going to be fucking nations.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:58Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I want to be solution based. I think, I think there's a way out of this, but everybody's got to be on the same page.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  Well, and you just hit the nail on the head. That is the way out of this is we have to all come together as Americans and, and realize like.

• 1:00:09Shawn Ryan?

  I will say that Israel is the one thing since nine 11 that I've seen. Everybody rallying around.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:17Shawn Ryan?

  Get off our fucking tit.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:19Shawn Ryan?

  We're tired of paying for your fucking education. We're tired of paying for your universal healthcare. We're tired of paying for your fucking iron dome. We're tired of paying for your fucking missile defense. We get shit. We're a, we are a fucking cow pasture for Israel. We're tired of fighting your fucking wars. We're tired of dying for your fucking causes. And everybody sees that the United States of America is nothing but a fucking cow pasture full of cattle to fucking send tax money and fight their fucking wars. Everybody fucking knows.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  And apparently protect their pedophiles.

• 1:00:55Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody knows, except. I don't know, a portion of the baby boomer generation.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Hey, you know what? I'm actually glad you brought that up. I'm, I'm on a group text with a bunch of evangelicals, uh, baby boomer men. And this topic actually, I don't know how I ended up there. This topic actually came up the other day. And I speak my mind, you know me. And so I dropped a couple of examples of things I personally witnessed while we were working the Gaza situation. And they actually went and did their fucking research and came back and like, holy shit, you're right. Israel's not what I thought it was. And that blew my mind to have, you know, 65 year old dudes that are part of the baby boomers that have been all pro-Israel for their whole lives now realizing I've been lied to. I've been lied to.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  And I think if we could get more Americans to wake up to that fact and recognize that we've been lied to, uh, that we've been presented false, you know, uh, two choice narratives where there could be a third option. Actually, the reason we're sitting here is a great example of that. We were told Epstein killed himself. And then this huge fight breaks out that no, Epstein didn't kill himself. You know, we never got to consider that third option. Maybe the motherfucker left that jail cell alive. And I, I think that's probably how.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Israel, the mainstream media, our federal government, that that's how they have been keeping us so divided is that we're given two choices to argue about. Meanwhile, there's a third option that's reality out there, you know, just like the example I just gave with abortion. We're faced with this, it's just one way or the other, and we don't even get to consider the third way, the second amendment. One way or the other, don't consider the third way. And so many things tend to exist in that gray area.

• 1:02:42Shawn Ryan?

  They have to have those to keep.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  To keep us polarized, to keep us fighting. The bullshit that I've seen play out online between blacks and whites blows my fucking mind.

• 1:02:56Shawn Ryan?

  I haven't seen anything about that in a long.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  Right, right. That's dead. That's a dead argument now, but it's a great example of the bullshit, because you guys got to see it when you came to Memphis. It's not real. You go to the worst streets in America, there's, nobody gives a fuck. That is one of those problems that really only exists in people's heads and online.

• 1:03:16Shawn Ryan?

  It's manufactured.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  It's manufactured. Manufactured hate and division. And that same playbook keeps getting used for every major societal issue.

• 1:03:24Shawn Ryan?

  It keeps people on the loop, but the loop is dying.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  I think it is too.

• 1:03:28Shawn Ryan?

  The loop's gonna die with the baby boomer generation. I mean, 85%, I read this, 85% of Gen Z is tired of the bullshit with Israel. 85%.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  85%. Yeah.

• 1:03:42Shawn Ryan?

  I think, I think Gen X, that's probably, how old are you?

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Forty-four, right, right.

• 1:03:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you're like me. We don't know if we're Gen X or millennials. But 55% of Gen X tired of the bullshit with Israel. I can't remember millennials, I think it's 65%, 70% or something, but.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  It's getting over more.

• 1:04:02Shawn Ryan?

  It's over.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  It needs to be.

• 1:04:03Shawn Ryan?

  It's, it's.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  It's reached.

• 1:04:05Shawn Ryan?

  It's going to die with the baby boomer generation. That, the, they're the last supporters of this shit. Now, whether anything changes or not, who the fuck knows? You know what I mean? But.

• 1:04:21Shawn Ryan?

  An entire new party has to be elected. It has to be elected all at once. I talked about this with Cenk Uygur. How do we make that? And that's why I like, like, I really do. I like Roe. I like Eli Crane. Me and Eli have. I even hate saying that. We have wildly different opinion. Yeah, fucking wildly different opinions than everybody I know. But, and that's okay. Yeah. You know, but um, Eli's kinda on the other end of this, I think, maybe, but, but you know what? Like, that's a guy that emails his constituents and they tell him how to vote. And I don't know any other fucking politician that does that.

• 1:04:57Shawn Ryan?

  That is exactly how it's supposed to work.

• 1:04:58Shawn Ryan?

  Exactly. And you cannot fault a man for doing what his constituents want him to do. Yeah, that's literally his job. Yep. And, and, yeah, I really like, really like Massey. There's a couple of other people that I think maybe there's some hope, but in order to create the new system, I'm sorry, everybody has to go. Everybody has to go. Every incumbent has to be out.

• 1:05:21Shawn Ryan?

  There cannot be any remnants left. I could not agree more. And it all has to happen at once. It can't be a fucking president. It can't be a senator here and there, a couple of con, it has to happen all at once, as much as possible, all at once. I know not everybody's up for election all at once, but there has to be some type of a uniparty. You know, where everybody comes together and it is against the Republican Party and it's against the DNC.

• 1:05:52Shawn Ryan?

  And it has to be all, and, and, and they have to run on the fact that we're going to amend the Constitution. These are the things we're gonna amend. It's gonna be term limits. It's gonna be no more money in politics. Those are the first things you're gonna do when you fucking pass. Inside of trading has to go. That way, because it's gonna get corrupted again. It's only a matter of time before it gets corrupted again. And so that when, when that happens, they need to pass what we need them to pass, which are those two things.

• 1:06:18Shawn Ryan?

  Immediately. Plus probably a bunch more shit, but those are the two things. Like, first session after election, get your fucking asses in there, amend that Constitution, the end. Now we can go back to fighting about abortion and race and all the other shit. Taking care of term limits would, would stop the rot. I don't think that's it.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't mean immediately.

• 1:06:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  And not by itself. We've got to stop the insider trading. We've got to stop uh, anything that allows elected officials to profit from their position, period, across the board.

• 1:06:50Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  But I do completely agree. It's gonna take, it's gonna take a viable third.

• 1:06:56Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there's just, it feels like there's so much truth right now being unveiled. Nothing's happening yet. I mean, even when I'm around my phone, I mean, I've always thought this, you know what I mean? I mean, I me and a couple of guys, um, developed a whole application, uh, that we're unveiling later on.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:07:16Shawn Ryan?

  You know, for, for, for phone privacy and security. So that's how fucking paranoid I am about it, that I've went out and developed my own damn app because of it.

• 1:07:26Shawn Ryan?

  And it's gonna be called Glacier and probably be out by the time the show's out, but I, I, I don't even, I don't even, every time I say something that I'm not proud of, or that I may regret if it hits the public, and I'm around my phone, I just look, I'm like, yep, that's, that's gonna get unveiled at some point in time. I'm, I'm being serious.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:07:48Shawn Ryan?

  Because I think, I think, I think truth is coming to the light. Now, it just depends on what we're gonna do with it when we get it.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  Well, and that's, that's the scary part. What if, what if all the truth comes out and nothing changes? Nobody does anything.

• 1:08:04Shawn Ryan?

  Then we deserve what we've got.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  And that's a sad thing to accept, isn't it?

• 1:08:10Shawn Ryan?

  I read in the Wall Street Journal that there have never been more Americans leaving the United States as there is right now.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  This time, applying for dual citizenship, coming up with contingency plans, because there is no confidence in our institutions, there's no confidence in our people,

• 1:08:32Shawn Ryan?

  there's no confidence in the country.

• 1:08:36Shawn Ryan?

  How fucking sad is that?

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  I've spent years arguing that Memphis Tennessee is worth saving. I never thought I'd be having to have that conversation about this country.

• 1:08:50Shawn Ryan?

  The people are worth saving.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Hundred percent, hundred percent.

• 1:08:53Shawn Ryan?

  People are always worth saving.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  Government ain't worth a fuck right now.

• 1:08:56Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  It hasn't been for a while.

• 1:09:01Shawn Ryan?

  Probably since JFK.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  And who killed?

• 1:09:06Shawn Ryan?

  Don't you think that's weird?

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Who killed him?

• 1:09:09Shawn Ryan?

  Who killed JFK?

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's all the signs are pointing.

• 1:09:14Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:14Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I mean, Tulsi had the JFK files in her house.

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  And they raided her.

• 1:09:20Shawn Ryan?

  Supposedly they raided her. She came out and said they didn't raid her.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  And then quit.

• 1:09:24Shawn Ryan?

  Then the next week, she resigns.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  It's all fake and gay.

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  What's real?

• 1:09:29Shawn Ryan?

  There's your next T-shirt.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  I'd get, that's the problem. I'm gonna get canceled just for saying that. But it's true. It's true. You know, I just.

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  I open my phone half the time and I'm blown away at how stupid the majority of people seem to be. And then I have to ask myself, is this real? Are they actually this stupid? Or is this another influence campaign being funded by, you know? And that's honestly, I think that's what a lot of this ridiculous stuff we see popping up online is.

• 1:10:08Shawn Ryan?

  No, they already, they already came out there paying seventy thousand dollars a post supposedly.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 1:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  Be pro-Israel, right? Seven thousand dollars a post.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  And that's, I did not know that. And that's our money, I'm sure, that we gave them, that they're.

• 1:10:24Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who got paid. Who knows? That could be some AI fake campaign. I don't think so. Pretty much everybody I know knows about the seven thousand dollars a post. But

• 1:10:38Shawn Ryan?

  it's bad.

• 1:10:41Shawn Ryan?

  It's bad. I mean, we gotta throw the tweet up of AIPAC. Celebrating the fact that they bought an election in Kentucky.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, you do need to throw that up.

• 1:10:51Shawn Ryan?

  Nation bought.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  Bought an election.

• 1:10:53Shawn Ryan?

  Bragging about buying an election in Kentucky.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:00Shawn Ryan?

  Not even hiding it.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  And this is how liberty dies.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  And what are we gonna do?

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Okay, I hate to feel so nihilistic about it, but...

• 1:11:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there's all kinds of crazy shit happening, just our stance in the world, how fast it's changing. I mean, just read something the other day about the, the Canadian pipeline that's now selling the majority of its oil to China to diversify from the United States because we fucking slapped a 25% tariff on them.

• 1:11:46Shawn Ryan?

  That worked out well.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:48Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, Trump also came out and said, "We might have to repay all of these tariffs."

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:11:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  I missed that one.

• 1:11:57Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:12:03Shawn Ryan?

  So what is this island now?

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  So what?

• 1:12:06Shawn Ryan?

  What is this island now?

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  It appears to be Anne Rodriguez's hangout. That's what it appears to be to me, where she still gets to hogtie people and throw them in a dungeon.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  That's, uh, that's what it feels like. On paper, billionaire Stephen Deckoff bought it and is trying to rebrand it and wants to build a resort there.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  If, if that's true, I'm a little concerned about his choice of, uh, island manager. Um, but I, I have a hard time believing that that's true. You know, I really do.

• 1:12:42Shawn Ryan?

  Time will tell.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Time will tell.

• 1:12:47Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:15:20Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan Dalton.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  Sean Ryan.

• 1:15:22Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome to the show, man.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  Glad to be here, man.

• 1:15:24Shawn Ryan?

  Glad to have you. It's quite the adventure you guys have been on here for the past couple of months.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  It's been a wild ride, man.

• 1:15:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no shit. Well, let me give you an introduction here.

• 1:15:38Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan Dalton, you began your career as a human rights lawyer focused on combating child sex trafficking and dismantling trafficking networks. You co-founded Rescue Forensics, an intelligence platform that helped law enforcement recover more than 150 child victims. You later served as a special agent with the US Department of State's Diplomatic Security Service and worked in crisis response and intelligence operations, supporting federal law enforcement and national security partners. Today, you are the co-founder of Closed Horizon, a platform focused on restoring integrity to information in an era defined by deception.

• 1:16:19Shawn Ryan?

  Most recently, you were one of the men alongside Ben Owen during the Little St. James excursion tied to the Epstein Isn't Dead campaign. Ryan Dalton, welcome to the show.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Glad to be here.

• 1:16:35Shawn Ryan?

  So you were on this excursion with Ben?

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Shawn Ryan?

  So before we get into why you think Epstein is still alive, what prompted this?

• 1:16:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, we met Ben and realized that we felt similarly about this. Felt similarly that there's something real weird going on here that we couldn't quite figure out. So we decided we're going to go down to the island after having this conversation and feeling that we are on the same page about Epstein might have left that cell alive. To bring attention back to that island and back to this issue, one of the concerns that we had is that it seems to be there's distractions that are just one after another. There's the Iran war and there's UFO files and all of these distractions are pulling

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  attention away from an issue that I think points to a stranglehold on our democracy and our institutions, deeper than Epstein, and it deserves continued attention.

• 1:17:43Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think it is?

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  I think that the Epstein, the Epstein files reveal a child sex trafficking operation that was used as leverage over our politicians by a larger power structure that continues to have a stranglehold on our institutions. And so-

• 1:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  A blackmail operation.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  A blackmail operation, effective for a long time. Yeah, really effective because it predates the internet.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  This is a blackmail operation that predates the internet, that now with the internet, people put the pieces together. And it's a lot harder to hide it. And I think that blackmail operation, for a very long time, was very successful.

• 1:18:34Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh. I think it still is. Look at, look at what's going on.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody's talking. Nobody's getting arrested.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Shawn Ryan?

  The only names that I'm aware of that have been unveiled, unredacted is, is the victims, correct? They haven't revealed any abuser's names. Have they? Am I wrong on that?

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  No, there's some that have forced this. Like, I think that Massey on the House floor insisted on revealing one of the co-conspirators. There's a document where there were some co-conspirators who were listed that he came forward and said, here's one of, I forget which one it was, maybe Les Wexner. But aside from that, there's not much that the US has done. Now, foreign countries have some real courage where they're investigating this and really putting some effort into the, the investigation.

• 1:19:34Shawn Ryan?

  See, I thought this, because King Charles, right?

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  Prince Andrew.

• 1:19:39Shawn Ryan?

  Prince Andrew, excuse me, Prince Andrew. But he's off the hook already, isn't he?

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know the latest status of his.

• 1:19:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  He got arrested.

• 1:19:48Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, he did?

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  For-

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  It wasn't a child abuse crime, I don't believe. I believe it was something like conduct unbecoming of his official diplomatic role that he was in at the time.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  But it was an arrest. It's more than we got here.

• 1:20:03Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm. Fair point. Fair point. Well, before we get into it, are you familiar with polymarket?

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  I am.

• 1:20:12Shawn Ryan?

  Here's the context. The market, 2.27 million plus dollars in live trading volume on polymarket resolves yes, only if irrefutable proof is publicly revealed that Epstein is still alive before December 31st, 2026. The DOJ has released 3 million plus pages, 2,000 videos and 180,000 images. Wonder what those images are of from its Epstein investigation. Official records from the NYC Medical Examiner, DOJ, OIG, and FBI established his 2019 death as suicide by hanging.

• 1:20:56Shawn Ryan?

  The crowd gives survival confirmation a 5% chance.

• 1:21:03Speaker 04

  We want proof of life.

• 1:21:04Shawn Ryan?

  We want proof of life.

• 1:21:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:06Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there's been a number of things that I dug up, but they've all been debunked. Like the AI photos, you know, there was some maniac Florida man posing as Jeffrey Epstein going down the highway. That's been debunked. I got them right here. I'll read them off real quick. Claim one.

• 1:21:25Shawn Ryan?

  A post on X claiming Israel faked his death gained over 6 million views. It featured a photo perpetually

• 1:21:35Shawn Ryan?

  showing Epstein alive in Tel Aviv, sporting white hair and a shaggy beard. A second doctor image garnered another 2.4 million views. The verdict, both images were confirmed AI-generated or digitally altered.

• 1:21:49Shawn Ryan?

  Verse image searches trace the originals to unrelated photos one dated May of 2020 after Epstein's 2019 death. Claim number two, active Fortnite account. A Fortnite profile named LittlestJeff1 appeared active after Epstein's death sparking speculation. The account went private shortly after the speculation spread, which many took as suspicious confirmation. Verdict: Fortnite confirmed that an existing account owner simply changed their username to LittlestJeff1 after the DOJ Epstein files were released.

• 1:22:30Shawn Ryan?

  Epstein's email address had no record in the Fortnite system. Claim number three, Palm Beach Pete Lookalike, March of 2026. A video of a Florida man driving on I-95 went viral with social media users claiming the driver was Epstein and that he was still alive. The verdict: The man nicknamed Palm Beach Pete publicly broke his silence confirming he is simply a private citizen who resembles Epstein. He described the situation as phenomenal. Florida man.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  Florida man at it again.

• 1:23:07Shawn Ryan?

  Claim number four, this is the last one. Maxwell, replaced by Lookalike, February 2026. After Maxwell's deposition in February 26, social media users pointed out to perceived discrepancies in her facial features and voice, suggesting a lookalike had been swapped in. Verdict: CBS News compared photos of Maxwell from 2015, 2016, 2020, and 2026 and identified consistent features across all, including eyebrow shape, ear structure, lip shape, and hair silhouette. Voice differences were attributed to differing deposition contexts. You got anything that's not those?

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  Lots of things that aren't those.

• 1:23:53Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, and you know, I agree with these. These are, I'm not convinced Palm Beach Pete is anything but a psyop. It's just too on the nose.

• 1:24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it just is way too on the nose. I don't have any comment on Dwayne. I don't really, haven't really studied that at all. What was the first one?

• 1:24:15Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that was the AI photos.

• 1:24:16Speaker 04

  AI, oh yeah. So we put together an evidence timeline that walks the reader through the evidence and it has to meet a threshold for us, more likely than not, 51 to 49%. So what we've done is in our disclaimer about how to read this evidence is we've excluded anything that could be AI related, anything that's post AI era, we're not even looking at it. And the reason for that is how easy it is to fabricate evidence that can go viral. It's not persuasive. So what we've done is taken the information from the files themselves

• 1:24:54Speaker 04

  and look at the story the files tell. The files, court documents, depositions, OIG investigations. What story does the official release of the files tell the people who dig into this? And so anything outside of those bounds, we may supplement with a news article that confirms a statement, but we source all of this very carefully, where we have the claim and then the sources and the claim and then the sources on each of these cards as we walk the reader down this, because we're making a really big claim. You can't do this halfway. There's no half measures on this one.

• 1:25:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  If you're making the claim that Epstein left that cell alive and you pull on that thread, it implicates larger power structures in our government and a deep level of corruption.

• 1:25:47Shawn Ryan?

  Now, I just have one question. Why would anybody want him alive? What would the point of keeping him alive be? It can only bring risk.

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. So say that you are Jeffrey Epstein and you have a multi-decade blackmail operation going on.

• 1:26:10Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  He was collecting blackmail when you had to put it on a floppy drive.

• 1:26:15Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  He's been doing this for a long time and we know this because the properties that he owned were wired up with cameras. This is pretty well established, right?

• 1:26:28Speaker 04

  So he has this large corpus of video and photographic evidence on all the people that he could want to get these on, celebrities, politicians, scientists. And he's a master of getting leverage. This appears to be a leverage campaign. So if he has this much leverage, he's playing a dangerous game. In that if it goes sideways on him, he has to make sure that he has his own insurance policy. And what better insurance policy than retention of all of this evidence as your dead man switch?

• 1:27:07Shawn Ryan?

  No shit? So you don't think this evidence has been shipped out to a bigger entity?

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  I don't know what happened to the evidence, but I think it would be negligent of him to not have enough of it that he could say, hey, listen, is this gonna be a problem? Am I going to have to let this out? And there's enough people that I think would be persuaded that they don't want that to happen. That's my, that's my best guess to why to keep them alive. What I do know is the government and co-conspirators were highly, highly motivated to have a dead defendant, or at least the appearance of a dead defendant. And the reason for that is criminal discovery. So he's arrested for a sex trafficking offense and is going through the criminal proceedings process.

• 1:27:56Speaker 04

  As part of that is discovering where the plaintiff and the defendant surface all the evidence. It all comes out. Now, this is pre-release of the files. So what's gonna come out? Flight logs, phone numbers, associates, financial records. Everything that could defend or support the government's position is going to have to inevitably come out and the government and the co-conspirators have no control over this. He could not have gone to trial. That would have been a disaster because all the evidence that come out would implicate people all the way up and down the government and probably foreign governments. He couldn't have gone to trial.

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  And so do you know what stops criminal proceedings? The death of the defendant.

• 1:28:48Speaker 04

  But if you have a defendant who has an enormous body of evidence available to blackmail people with and get leverage on them, well, then what's your option? The only remaining option is to publicly have a dead defendant and privately make sure there's no loose ends and extract him.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  And this is what the files, the evidence supports in the files.

• 1:29:14Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. What do you got for us?

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  So the first thing I think is to understand really who this guy was as best we possibly can. And we know some things that are just very much in the public sector about him. So he's this alleged billionaire, financial savant. He manages money for people allegedly that have a lot of money.

• 1:29:40Speaker 04

  But then there are clues in the files that are...

• 1:29:42Shawn Ryan?

  He says he works for the Rothschilds, right?

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Shawn Ryan?

  That's in the files.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  He emailed Peter Thiel saying that. So that was an email to Peter Thiel saying...

• 1:29:51Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I thought.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  "As you know," I believe were his words, "I work for the Rothschilds." So he's trying to seemingly get an introduction for some kind of tech play, it looks like. He's making the introduction by doing a little bit of name dropping, right? Like, hey, there's some money on the other end of this if we're gonna talk. Seems to be the way the email reads.

• 1:30:17Speaker 04

  So he has connections that are larger, and here's the best piece of evidence we have for this. So I've got show and tell for you.

• 1:30:22Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  This was discovered in the search warrant in New York for one of his properties. And what you're looking at is an Austrian passport with his photo, a younger Epstein, and the alias of Robert Marius.

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  This passport appears to be a fraudulent passport. So not a fake one. A fake passport is when you have a passport that's not a valid travel document. Right? Like, I make it at home. A valid passport can be fraudulent under someone else's name. This appears to be valid because he has entry and exit stamps.

• 1:31:14Shawn Ryan?

  It's like the shit the intel agencies do.

• 1:31:17Speaker 04

  This is our first connection.

• 1:31:18Shawn Ryan?

  Valid passport with a pseudonym.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. So this is the first connection where we have evidence of this potentially connecting to an intel agency. Because who can issue valid passports under a different name? Well, there's Consular who could do it. Right? Under legitimate circumstances. And you could make the argument that, oh, well, maybe he got a fast one on Consular of Austria and he submitted this information and, you know, they issued it. But under what motivation? Who's motivating them to get this passport? The other argument is, is that it was furnished to him and had an operational purpose. In either case, we know for sure.

• 1:31:59Speaker 04

  This passport was recovered from his safe with entry and exit stamps with his face and an alias.

• 1:32:07Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Where did you get this?

• 1:32:09Speaker 04

  The files. This is in the files. So everything I'm going to show you today, we've pulled from the files or public reporting that can be fact checked. All of this can be fact checked. Again, this goes back to no half measures. We cannot make a claim like this without substantial evidence. Huge risk, reputational risk goes into making a claim that he left that cell alive. But there's only three options. Either he died from suicide in the cell, he was murdered, or he left the cell alive. And of the three, the one with the fewest problems is that he left the cell alive.

• 1:32:50Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:32:55Shawn Ryan?

  Put this up on screen. What else do we got? What is, I mean, where were the stamps to?

• 1:33:02Speaker 04

  So I think it's on our website. I think it's Saudi Arabia, France, and one more.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  But they're documented entry and exit stamps. You can see the countries. I can't recall the third.

• 1:33:15Shawn Ryan?

  But what's your website? What's the address?

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's EpsteinIsn'tDead.org.

• 1:33:20Shawn Ryan?

  That's easy to remember.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  This evidence. Yeah.

• 1:33:24Shawn Ryan?

  EpsteinIsn'tDead.org.

• 1:33:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Because I was going through this

• 1:33:32Speaker 04

  initially out of just pure personal interest. I'm a criminal investigator and lawyer by my background. And I also care deeply about child trafficking.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  Through my career, this has been a theme of my career. And I have a daughter, and so it hits a little harder for me.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  And I'm looking at the files. And I use

• 1:33:58Speaker 04

  large language models to surface the things that are in there that are maybe a little bit harder to find manually. And I put in together a timeline because that's how a criminal investigator typically thinks is in terms of a timeline. And I start looking at this information and I think, no way. No way am I arriving at this conclusion. I don't like this conclusion. It's uncomfortable for me. I'm not happy about it. But one of the seductive things about conspiracies is how entertaining they are for many people. This is not something that I find particularly fun. But if the evidence continually supports a conclusion, we have to stare at that conclusion

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  in its face and see if it's true. And so I sent this to probably 100 people. And I was like, guys, fact check me on this. Sanity check me on all this. Am I crazy? And I sent people and they were like, bro.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  You put all this together?

• 1:35:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is something here. And I think that we make a compelling case for it.

• 1:35:10Speaker 04

  And if he left that cell alive, it demands it. The country, Congress, the DOJ, to reckon with that and take it seriously.

• 1:35:20Shawn Ryan?

  I think we know the DOJ and Congress is definitely not going to take it seriously.

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  That's what I'm afraid of, too. And maybe not this administration, maybe not this batch of congresspeople, but the American people aren't going to let this one go.

• 1:35:34Shawn Ryan?

  You don't think so?

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  I don't think so. They can't, because think about what it means if we give up on this one. If we give up on a child trafficker brought

• 1:35:47Speaker 04

  kids to an island to serve them to the world's elite, killed them, ate them, and use that as leverage to get a stranglehold on our democracy. If we let that go, just give it all up. All of it. What does any of it matter anymore? If that, if we let this one go, none of it matters anymore. And I think the American people intuitively feel this. I think they intuitively feel something's wrong, but they can't quite put words on it.

• 1:36:20Speaker 04

  And that's what we tried to do. It's really, here's what you feel is wrong. Here's what it is. And so we lay it out and make the case for him leaving that cell alive being the option that has the fewest problems of the three.

• 1:36:42Shawn Ryan?

  What else you got?

• 1:36:44Speaker 04

  So follow the money.

• 1:36:50Speaker 04

  Before he dies, two days before he dies, he executes a new will and trust that moves $577 million into a new legal vehicle that I would structure this way if I was about to fake my death.

• 1:37:10Speaker 04

  So he meets with his lawyers up to 12 hours a day while he's in prison. And the outcome of this is the creation of the 1953 trust where all of his assets that are known are moved into this trust. And this accomplishes two things at the same time. The first thing it does is it makes it very difficult to ascertain the beneficiaries of this money. So trusts can be created in such a way that the beneficiaries of that are not accessible to the public. And so it would allow him to access this money and these assets in a roundabout way through shell companies and through having estate planning that supports the complexity

• 1:37:54Speaker 04

  needed to access this money later. The second thing it does is it prevents any of his assets from going through probate, which would also make this public. In the probate process, he restructures his entire estate two days before he dies. Now, is this complex estate planning for someone who's like, you know what, I'm about to end my life and I feel like I need to put everything into the right place at the right time for all my money? Or is it estate planning for someone who wants to get access to those assets after

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  they're out of jail? And I think that the way that I read it is someone who's suicidal, who really is about to kill themselves. And I don't believe he was like that because he was so obsessed with immortality. He was so obsessed with health and all kinds of sort of fringe things about continuing his life onward. And he was probably like all billionaires and sex traffickers have some ego. And he's already got a sweetheart deal in 2007.

• 1:39:15Speaker 04

  So there's some hubris there. I can't reconcile that with someone creating a will and trust.

• 1:39:24Speaker 04

  Who's about to kill themselves.

• 1:39:27Speaker 04

  It doesn't sit right. It seems more likely that that complex estate planning is in preparation for accessing those assets. After he's out.

• 1:39:40Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, a lot of people also think that he was given a choice.

• 1:39:44Speaker 04

  Hmm. Meaning you kill yourself or we're gonna do it kind of thing.

• 1:39:56Speaker 04

  If he died in that cell.

• 1:40:04Speaker 04

  It doesn't explain. His escape plan.

• 1:40:09Speaker 04

  Seen this?

• 1:40:10Shawn Ryan?

  No, there's an escape plan?

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, so you're a seal.

• 1:40:14Shawn Ryan?

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:40:15Speaker 04

  Tell me if this is an evasion plan.

• 1:40:19Speaker 04

  I'm gonna hand you this.

• 1:40:23Speaker 04

  My goodness, out of order a little bit.

• 1:40:26Speaker 04

  But you're right.

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  You went through C R, right?

• 1:40:31Shawn Ryan?

  I didn't.

• 1:40:31Speaker 04

  Oh, no?

• 1:40:32Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  Well, you're familiar.

• 1:40:34Shawn Ryan?

  I evaded out of that one.

• 1:40:35Speaker 04

  You're invading us.

• 1:40:38Speaker 04

  So my, my partner Alex. Um.

• 1:40:43Speaker 04

  Smart guy, and he looked at this, I called it an escape plan, and he rightly corrected me, said, no, man, this is an evasion plan. So I'm gonna give you context for this document that you're holding. This is the smoking gun for me. This is the single piece of evidence. That gives me the confidence. To have this conversation with you right now. You're looking at. A, two notes, there's two pages here. Of legal paper that were found in his cell after his alleged death.

• 1:41:17Speaker 04

  Most people are not talking about this at all. Very little conversation is happening about these documents. And it is astonishing to me.

• 1:41:27Speaker 04

  This is an escape plan. So keep in mind what just happened. He just restructured his estate. And has set himself up to have access after he leaves. And then two days later, he allegedly dies. And this is recovered from his cell. So what you're looking at.

• 1:41:46Speaker 04

  Some of it's illegible. And so I'm not going to speculate about the things that I can't read because his handwriting was atrocious. It was super inconsiderate of him to have terrible handwriting and make me have to figure this out later on.

• 1:41:59Speaker 04

  But I'm going to draw attention to some of the things here that really stand out. And the first is, do you see in the middle top of the page, where red notices underlined multiple times?

• 1:42:12Speaker 04

  A red notice is an Interpol notice that goes out to worldwide policing agencies for a fugitive.

• 1:42:19Speaker 04

  So why is a guy about to kill himself concerned about red notices?

• 1:42:28Speaker 04

  This is again on legal paper. So I don't know this for sure. But this was potentially furnished to him by his lawyers who carry legal paper. And not the note as it exists now, but that's where he got the paper. So were these conversations happening with the people that were there providing legal counsel to him? I don't know. But it seems to be, based on the timeframe, they're pretty close to each other for when these would have been written. The next thing that really jumps out at the top, top right, next to that dollar sign, it says what I believe to be blackmail.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  See the dollar sign there in the top right? Yeah. Next to it, that word looks like blackmail to me.

• 1:43:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. So what's happening? If he gets out,

• 1:43:28Speaker 04

  he's thinking about where to get money. If he's gotten blackmail on people, that's pretty easy. Like, hey, man, you need to just wire me 10 grand, 100 grand, a million dollars, whatever leverage he has

• 1:43:39Speaker 04

  to get access to money, because you've got to figure out how to live while you're out. And maybe he doesn't know what he has access to. I can't read the word above that.

• 1:43:50Speaker 04

  I don't know if it says bounty.

• 1:43:54Speaker 04

  So I'm not going to speculate further, but the need that it definitely says guards.

• 1:44:00Speaker 04

  Guards are a problem. If you want to get out of a federal prison, you've got to deal with the guards. And we can talk about the guards in a little bit. But he's for sure worried about the guards.

• 1:44:11Speaker 04

  And then there's some things in between. But I can contextualize the things in between based on the drawing that you see there in the middle right.

• 1:44:22Speaker 04

  What does that look like to you? Are you talking about this? This right here.

• 1:44:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, down here. Yeah.

• 1:44:33Speaker 04

  Looks like some sort of a compound. Yeah, it looks to me like an airport from overhead. And it looks like an airport because of the word Brad. So Bradley International Airport is a small regional airport that's two hours away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center. So the nearest small airport. And if he's going to fly out of there, it can't be through Legardee or JFK for obvious reasons. It says jet right here, too. Right. Looks like it says Nigeria above that. That's right. So above it, and we know this is an airport because it says Brad, Bradley International Airport would be a great airport to go to if you don't want to deal with customs and you want to have access to

• 1:45:17Speaker 04

  the services expected of someone who has a lot of money. So private hangars, private runways. It has these things.

• 1:45:26Speaker 04

  And above it, it says, I can't tell what the middle word is. So it either says jet versus prop or jet US prop. So that could either be, this is a jet or it's a prop plane. What kind of vehicle are we in here? Or it could be a jet US property? Is he flying out on a US plane? Because that would have obvious risks carried with it if he's escaping on a US controlled aircraft and tail number.

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• 1:47:39Shawn Ryan?

  See you later.

• 1:47:43Shawn Ryan?

  Look, Saul's building. What do you think, Sean?

• 1:47:47Shawn Ryan?

  We're high.

• 1:48:02Speaker 04

  And then where's he going?

• 1:48:02Shawn Ryan?

  Who was in, who was in office when he committed suicide?

• 1:48:07Speaker 04

  That was, um, that was Trump in office then, right?

• 1:48:10Shawn Ryan?

  That's so weird.

• 1:48:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48:12Shawn Ryan?

  Who would've thought?

• 1:48:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think it goes all the way to the top.

• 1:48:19Speaker 04

  So where does he go? Well, we don't know. We can only speculate, but we can see that there's intent here based on these locations that are written. Above jet versus probably, I'm kind of walking you back up the page. It says Nigeria. So they'll probably have okay location to hide, I'd guess. No one's going to look for Epstein in Africa. Would Qatar and Saudi Arabia be locations? And they're very friendly. Access to money. Associates there for sure. We know that. So the Q and the S A next to Nigeria could indicate

• 1:48:55Speaker 04

  other locations that he's interested in.

• 1:49:00Speaker 04

  And then to the left of that, it says gangsters.

• 1:49:06Speaker 04

  See that to the left of the Q and the S A? Yeah.

• 1:49:12Speaker 04

  I don't know what that means.

• 1:49:15Speaker 04

  But I would imagine if you're someone like him, you're willing to make a lot of friends with a lot of people, not all of them good people, who can get you the things that you need. Gangsters are people who can

• 1:49:30Speaker 04

  be fixtures for you and not ask questions.

• 1:49:34Speaker 04

  So that's a logical

• 1:49:37Speaker 04

  person to ask or group of people.

• 1:49:42Speaker 04

  And then there's a lot of other things on here that I just don't know what mean. And it would be

• 1:49:46Shawn Ryan?

  This looks like a US map.

• 1:49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, up here in the middle left, yeah. It does. It looks like a US map. Someone said a cow.

• 1:49:56Shawn Ryan?

  Looks like a cow too.

• 1:49:57Speaker 04

  It does look like a cow.

• 1:50:00Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think this is, the redacted portion?

• 1:50:06Speaker 04

  I have no idea. Beneath it, though,

• 1:50:11Speaker 04

  it says, "Computer", and then something illegible, and then question mark, and then VI, which I'm assuming means Virgin Islands.

• 1:50:19Shawn Ryan?

  Palm Beach.

• 1:50:21Speaker 04

  Oh, that's right, Palm Beach, the PB.

• 1:50:23Shawn Ryan?

  It's gotta be Palm Beach.

• 1:50:25Speaker 04

  So, "Computer, Palm Beach, question marks, VI, Virgin Island", and above that it says "G", that's where he called Ghulane, is G. So he's thinking about Ghulane, and computer, or multiple computers in Palm Beach and Virgin Islands. And I'd be pretty worried about computers if I were him, too.

• 1:50:48Speaker 04

  It also, there's one piece on here,

• 1:50:54Speaker 04

  that looks like LSR up near the travel part. My best guess on that, and I'm not willing to guess on many of these if I don't feel confident, but LSR seems to be "last stop routes", so my understanding is in aviation, this is a term indicating a airfield that is the last on a connecting journey, that to get to that airfield would mean it's relatively remote compared to other airfields, and likely has less immigration and customs restrictions.

• 1:51:27Speaker 04

  That's where I'd wanna go if I'm trying to evade.

• 1:51:40Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think is under LSN? Looks like it says Muslim, maybe?

• 1:51:45Speaker 04

  It does say Muslim.

• 1:51:47Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe Asia under that?

• 1:51:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. I can't make out that third character.

• 1:51:55Speaker 04

  Above it, it says Muslim, and so I would imagine that Muslim nations would be

• 1:52:01Speaker 04

  potentially easy to hide in. It'd find a remote area and hole up somewhere you're not going to be looked for in some of them.

• 1:52:11Speaker 04

  That's entirely speculation, but it does say Muslim pretty clearly.

• 1:52:16Shawn Ryan?

  Why would he have written this all down?

• 1:52:19Speaker 04

  I thought that too. Why write all this down and then leave it in the cell?

• 1:52:27Speaker 04

  Why leave your escape plan in your cell? And then remember to, oh,

• 1:52:34Speaker 04

  Epstein and his associates were talking over Gmail about raping and eating kids.

• 1:52:43Speaker 04

  His opsec was bad.

• 1:52:46Speaker 04

  He didn't give a damn about any of his opsec, about any of this over Gmail. And being in the government, we both know you can't talk about anything over anything, or someone's going to suck up those comms.

• 1:53:00Speaker 04

  He has decades of not caring. And he leaves this behind, someone's going to sanitize this cell. He's got people that do this for him.

• 1:53:09Speaker 04

  My best guess is, is there's some hubris here, some pride? And that whoever's redacting these things didn't know what they were looking at. Or they did know what they were looking at, and our institutions are not homogeneous. Meaning that some federal agent or lawyer looked at this, redacted only what was absolutely required and allowed us to piece this together.

• 1:53:32Speaker 04

  I hope that's the case. Because these people that are performing these redactions took the oath that you and I did to support and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.

• 1:53:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:46Speaker 04

  Even when they come from inside the house.

• 1:53:51Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody's just doing their job, right?

• 1:53:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:53:56Shawn Ryan?

  That's the excuse.

• 1:53:57Speaker 04

  The excuse.

• 1:53:57Shawn Ryan?

  It's always the excuse. "I'm just doing my job." Fuck you.

• 1:54:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. And they have to reckon with that, and there's some that have resigned, and I admire that courage. Because here's the sinister nature of this whole scheme.

• 1:54:12Speaker 04

  You can't whistleblow on this and bring out the actual best evidence. Because it's illegal, one for classified, two for child sexual abuse material. If you transmit that to a reporter, you've just earned yourself a strict liability offense. Or they don't care what your intent was. You're going to jail.

• 1:54:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. The old two-chair justice system.

• 1:54:34Speaker 04

  Real quick on this, let me show you page two.

• 1:54:36Shawn Ryan?

  Oh shit.

• 1:54:37Speaker 04

  This is the real zinger.

• 1:54:38Shawn Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:54:39Speaker 04

  So the top of page two is complaining about something, I don't know, he got... He had a bad day, got locked in to the shower or something, I think that's absolutely hilarious. I imagine him sitting in that cell and just, "Dear diary, I had a bad day," like he's, he's pretty upset. You flip it over.

• 1:54:57Speaker 04

  This second from the top line.

• 1:55:02Speaker 04

  Says jail out equals 10.

• 1:55:08Speaker 04

  And he allegedly died in that cell on August 10th, 2019. He had foreknowledge of the day that he's getting out.

• 1:55:17Speaker 04

  So what you're left with, and this, this is the smoking gun. Is you have a escape plan written by a person who knows they're going to be a fugitive. About where the nearest airport is, what considerations to avoid, how to get money, and foreknowledge of the day that they're gonna leave that cell.

• 1:55:37Speaker 04

  This is an evasion plan.

• 1:55:41Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. You might be right.

• 1:55:50Speaker 04

  Someone who's going to kill themselves doesn't write this down.

• 1:56:02Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:56:21Speaker 04

  Do you think there's any chance this could be a psyop? Yeah, there's layers of psyops here, top to bottom. This could be a psyop, for sure. What I can't reconcile this, and I've thought about this, is this disinformation. I guess that's always possible. But when you take the totality of it all, this piece into the larger picture that it paints, it makes the most sense that he left that cell alive because of the other mistakes that were made in this cover-up and the post-prison signals of life.

• 1:57:00Speaker 04

  And each of these pieces by themselves don't have equal weight. It's up to the reader to make decisions about which ones weigh the most for them. But you can put mathematical modeling on these and apply objective standards to them. And this has been done. And we're going to put up this mathematical model on the website for people who have PhDs in statistics to evaluate. But what we've done, and this is my good friend Nick McKinley, who runs a nonprofit called Deliver Fund, who does amazing work in the counter-trafficking space, former CIA guy,

• 1:57:41Speaker 04

  PJ, hero by all accounts, rescued many kids from the horrors of that industry. I'm aware of them. Yeah. He did a mathematical model on this. And he looked at this and he said the smoking gun for him was the statistical odds of this being possible. And he took the 14 largest anomalies.

• 1:58:06Speaker 04

  You can group those into cameras, guards, and protocols.

• 1:58:12Speaker 04

  For the cameras, we know, again, all of this can be fact-checked. Some of them just straight up went down, just like not were working at all.

• 1:58:26Speaker 04

  Some of them did work, but then the footage is just missing. We just don't know what happened to it. Epstein's cellmate lawyers tried to get this footage and it's just file not found.

• 1:58:41Speaker 04

  Of the ones that were working, we have a missing minute of footage, gone.

• 1:58:50Speaker 04

  Just not there. I know, man, I know. I think I have any of them.

• 1:58:56Speaker 04

  And then you have, of the footage that we got, the supposedly raw footage, Wired showed that, Wired Magazine showed that Adobe Premiere Pro edited that raw footage.

• 1:59:13Speaker 04

  Take those anomalies and compound them with the guards, who were every 30 minutes supposed to check on him and they didn't. They fell asleep, they were browsing the internet, shopping online.

• 1:59:24Speaker 04

  And then the protocol of him not having a roommate despite trying to commit suicide allegedly, and despite the Department of Psychology at the prison who sends out an email to 70 people, including a warden, saying that this guy needs to have a roommate and nothing was done. And so now you have a guy in jail, has no guards watching him, no roommate, cameras go down, and is in the prime position for extraction.

• 1:59:52Speaker 04

  The odds of this, all of these failures happening concurrently,

• 1:59:59Speaker 04

  based on this model that we're going to allow people to scrutinize as much as they want and argue with us about it, is

• 2:00:09Speaker 04

  one, let's see if I can get this right, one in five times 10 to the 30th power.

• 2:00:17Speaker 04

  Those numbers are meaningless to me unless I can put them into an actual, something that makes sense in my head, and it would be the equivalent of taking a quarter and flipping heads 102 times in a row.

• 2:00:32Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 2:00:33Speaker 04

  Not happening. And so this moves us away from conjecture and conspiracy forums and into mathematical understanding of the odds of this happening.

• 2:00:46Speaker 04

  It is effectively impossible where a mathematician would look at this and say, you've made an assumption wrong or there's an error in your reasoning. Because if this is what the odds show, this is impossible.

• 2:01:01Speaker 04

  He was left in that cell in the prime position for extraction.

• 2:01:23Shawn Ryan?

  Why would anybody else want him alive?

• 2:01:27Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 2:01:29Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's say he was working for the Rothschilds like he says he was.

• 2:01:36Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think they would want him alive?

• 2:01:43Shawn Ryan?

  Why the fuck did they even arrest him to begin with? From the get go, it was a cleanup job.

• 2:01:52Speaker 04

  It happened twice, so he wasn't probably worried about it. It happened once before in Palm Beach and he got a sweetheart deal.

• 2:01:58Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:02:02Speaker 04

  Which is a whole nother rabbit trail that's just astonishing to me.

• 2:02:05Shawn Ryan?

  But a guy disconnected, right? You know what I mean? Disconnected.

• 2:02:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:02:10Shawn Ryan?

  Why would they even? How would he even get booked to jail anyways? Why would they even have a case on him? Don't you think somebody would have pulled him off?

• 2:02:20Speaker 04

  I think our DOJ and FBI are not homogeneous. I think the leverage starts at the top, but there are men and women who took that oath and take it seriously in our organizations.

• 2:02:29Shawn Ryan?

  I know, but I'm just saying, you know as well as I do, lots of investigations, domestic, overseas, doesn't, I mean, lots of investigations have been, you know, stopped for whatever reason. You know, hey, we're pulling you off this.

• 2:02:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:02:46Shawn Ryan?

  Why wouldn't somebody just get pulled off?

• 2:02:50Speaker 04

  It certainly would have been very high profile, right? So it's going to go through layers of review.

• 2:02:55Speaker 04

  And I think it's going to depend on where this.

• 2:02:59Speaker 04

  Octopus of stranglehold and all of its legs have wrapped itself around someone who could make that call. It's not a perfect cover up. They've made mistakes. They're humans. They're not all powerful and I refuse to think that the corruption runs complete through our institutions. Maybe one day it will, but I don't think it does right now.

• 2:03:29Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean by that?

• 2:03:31Speaker 04

  Meaning that if the corruption were complete, then everyone on our institutions would be Team Epstein.

• 2:03:38Shawn Ryan?

  You don't feel like they are?

• 2:03:41Speaker 04

  I feel at the top it looks that way.

• 2:03:43Shawn Ryan?

  That's kinda what I mean. To me, that means complete.

• 2:03:46Speaker 04

  Based on leadership.

• 2:03:48Shawn Ryan?

  If the leadership in every one of our institutions is all beating the same drum, nothing's gonna become, nothing's gonna get accomplished. We're seeing that, right?

• 2:03:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:59Shawn Ryan?

  You can only do so much and then when you get yanked off, I'm just doing my job.

• 2:04:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:04:06Shawn Ryan?

  You know?

• 2:04:07Speaker 04

  There are clues for this that are interesting to me. For example, Kash Patel sat in this chair and said that he was going to clean it all up.

• 2:04:19Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I burned that chair. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah.

• 2:04:23Speaker 04

  But I believed him and I remarked to my wife at the time, like, that's the politician I believe in. That's awesome. I want that.

• 2:04:30Shawn Ryan?

  I was warned before I had him on the show, he was completely full of shit.

• 2:04:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:04:34Shawn Ryan?

  A very good friend of mine and he was fucking right.

• 2:04:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. But you have an optimist in you probably that didn't wanna believe that and I've got that one in me too. The America that I grew up in and when I look at that flag and what I feel about that flag, I can't let that go.

• 2:04:55Speaker 04

  And him sitting here and watching that conversation about what he really means, I wonder if he really meant it, or if when he sat on the House floor and he said, there's nothing in those Epstein files and perjured himself.

• 2:05:10Speaker 04

  Why?

• 2:05:12Speaker 04

  Where's the leverage? Where does it start and how deep does it go? And I just can't believe it goes as deep as the federal agents who took the oath and who go home to their families at night and are not in the spotlight and run their investigations. Some of them maybe.

• 2:05:28Speaker 04

  I can't imagine it's all of them.

• 2:05:32Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't think it's, I don't think it's the lower level guys, probably not even the mid-tier, probably not even all the way to the top tier. But I think the top tier fucking knows.

• 2:05:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's my read on it, too. I know those guys, man. I was a federal agent. I've got tons of friends that are feds. They're good people.

• 2:05:53Speaker 04

  But some of them are looking at this information and saying, yeah, I'll redact that. I'll redact that.

• 2:06:02Speaker 04

  I'll redact that. And at some point, they're complicit in this cover up because it is a cover up.

• 2:06:08Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 2:06:16Shawn Ryan?

  What are you hoping to gain by doing this?

• 2:06:23Speaker 04

  We started closed horizon out of the belief that America's in an epistemological crisis.

• 2:06:30Speaker 04

  Epistemology being the study of how you know the things that you know, what is truth?

• 2:06:36Speaker 04

  We're lied to constantly.

• 2:06:40Speaker 04

  Constantly. There's a new psyop every day. We deserve better psyops. There's a new one every day. Deception, lies, coming from the White House, our institutions, corruption.

• 2:06:56Speaker 04

  AIPAC buying our government seats, like what happened to Massey?

• 2:07:01Shawn Ryan?

  Everything's a fucking lie, man. It's all a lie.

• 2:07:03Speaker 04

  It's all lies.

• 2:07:04Shawn Ryan?

  Everything's, everything. I mean, even, I mean, I did this episode, I just did this episode with this guy Pete Blaber, uh, Delta Colonel. And we went over a whole slew of lies and just Naval Special Warfare is propping people up like heroes and passing out, it's passing out awards and, I mean, I'm pretty sure you know about this shit.

• 2:07:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:29Shawn Ryan?

  And that's, yes, even though, uh, people that I know died in those events and were killed and they were fighting for the country. I mean, that is so, I hate to say it like this, but that is so far,

• 2:07:45Shawn Ryan?

  it's just not as significant as what we're talking about right now. When you're talking about people eating babies and raping fucking kids and

• 2:07:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:53Shawn Ryan?

  blackmail and our, basically our, our government is run by a shadow government.

• 2:08:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:08:02Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's, it's, it's, but I mean, we lie, we lie about that shit.

• 2:08:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you see the email?

• 2:08:09Shawn Ryan?

  Fucking crazy.

• 2:08:10Speaker 04

  That was sent to Ghislaine asking if she wants to be on the Shadow 9/11 Commission?

• 2:08:16Shawn Ryan?

  No, I didn't see that.

• 2:08:17Speaker 04

  She gets an email, you can dig it up in the files and invite her.

• 2:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  Put it up on screen right now.

• 2:08:22Speaker 04

  To be on the Shadow 9/11 Commission. And here's what's interesting about the files, you want to get into corruption? There is a

• 2:08:31Speaker 04

  canyon of missing files between 99 and 2002. Nothing came out in those years. Well, what happened in those years? You have both 9/11 and the dot com crash.

• 2:08:47Speaker 04

  Major events that shaped the next decades of history.

• 2:08:51Speaker 04

  What's being hidden there?

• 2:08:59Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think, Brandon?

• 2:09:02Speaker 04

  I think that what we've been told about some of those events is really uncomfortable and not true.

• 2:09:10Speaker 04

  And it would create a existential crisis for a generation of Americans who fought, bled, and died overseas.

• 2:09:21Speaker 04

  Because they looked at those towers being hit, and they said, "This cannot stand in my country. I'm gonna serve my country honorably, and I'm gonna go fight over there." Because they saw what happened there, and I don't think it was what it was portrayed to be. And I think that canyon of files, if it ever comes out, will show this.

• 2:09:45Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think the files even still exist?

• 2:09:47Speaker 04

  That's a good question.

• 2:09:52Speaker 04

  I hope so.

• 2:09:57Speaker 04

  I hope they do.

• 2:10:00Shawn Ryan?

  You gonna watch the big UFC event tonight at the White House?

• 2:10:06Speaker 04

  The, the big fight?

• 2:10:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:08Speaker 04

  July 4th?

• 2:10:08Shawn Ryan?

  That's what we're all worried about, right? The fucking UFC fight.

• 2:10:12Speaker 04

  Your bread and circus.

• 2:10:15Speaker 04

  Here, take your bread and circus.

• 2:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  This shit really is biblical, man.

• 2:10:18Speaker 04

  It is. It's a war of good and evil. And I knew this was a war in good and evil when I saw the darkest thing in the files.

• 2:10:27Speaker 04

  I used to think that this was a criminal organization that was very sophisticated. And it is. But it's deeper than that. This is a good and evil issue.

• 2:10:38Speaker 04

  There was an email. I gotta be careful.

• 2:10:45Speaker 04

  There was an email

• 2:10:48Speaker 04

  between Epstein and an associate, and it's redacted who this associate is.

• 2:10:55Speaker 04

  Where

• 2:10:58Speaker 04

  Epstein recounts how a girl told him that she believed, while in her bed, that God protected her. And that Jesus was watching over her.

• 2:11:11Speaker 04

  And then he says, "Whoops."

• 2:11:16Speaker 04

  And the person replies, "You should dress up like him," being Jesus, "the next time you see her."

• 2:11:28Speaker 04

  We don't wrestle against flesh and blood.

• 2:11:32Speaker 04

  This is deeper.

• 2:11:35Speaker 04

  This is a war of good and evil, of truth, of secret keepers and truth seekers.

• 2:11:46Speaker 04

  And I think that if we don't get it under control, we're a generation away from losing the empire.

• 2:11:54Speaker 04

  Because we care about it, but you ask the next generation coming up, you ask Gen Z, and a lot of them don't believe all the bullshit, which is cool. They don't believe what the legacy news media is telling them. They're like, "Man, all that's just lies." But the problem is you extend that worldview into belief about our institutions.

• 2:12:13Speaker 04

  "All of it's corrupt, all of it's lies, I don't believe in any of it anymore."

• 2:12:17Speaker 04

  Then you get permission to do this forever without consequence.

• 2:12:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 2:12:25Speaker 04

  The people who grew up like we did are the last line against this. And it is more urgent than people realize. Because once you get into the next generation,

• 2:12:37Speaker 04

  we give up on this,

• 2:12:40Speaker 04

  it's over.

• 2:12:44Shawn Ryan?

  I know.

• 2:12:48Shawn Ryan?

  I know.

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  But these people make mistakes. This isn't perfect.

• 2:12:57Speaker 04

  The people that have done this conspiracy, and I'm okay using that word because this is where the evidence takes me. People have called me a conspiracy theorist in the lawsuit against us for trespassing. I don't give a damn about trespassing. Not one damn about it.

• 2:13:13Speaker 04

  I gotta correct Ben on two things. I love Ben, but I am an actively barred lawyer. But, I'm sorry, I'm a barred lawyer with an inactive license. And he was very generous to me and just said that if they got caught, that they would have to worry about trespassing charge. I don't give a shit about a trespassing charge. We are going to figure out whatever it takes to get to the truth on this matter. And they make mistakes.

• 2:13:41Speaker 04

  Here's another for you.

• 2:13:45Speaker 04

  So...

• 2:13:50Speaker 04

  Let me give you

• 2:13:55Speaker 04

  these two documents.

• 2:13:59Speaker 04

  Oh, hold on.

• 2:14:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, these three documents, which we'll cover real quickly. But I think you're gonna find this really interesting, John. So the first one

• 2:14:12Speaker 04

  is this one labeled page six at the top here.

• 2:14:17Speaker 04

  This is a page from the medical examiner's

• 2:14:22Speaker 04

  autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:14:26Speaker 04

  And the top line, the first full sentence says, "The prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with mark enlargement of the varimontanum." I don't know what that is.

• 2:14:40Speaker 04

  So this is her observation.

• 2:14:47Speaker 04

  Medical examiner, official autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein, that he does have a prostate.

• 2:14:55Speaker 04

  This next line, this is just kind of an aside. It's not relevant to the evidence here. It's just really embarrassing. It says, "The testes are unremarkable." I don't know that I'd want that in my autopsy.

• 2:15:08Speaker 04

  So she makes this position that there are

• 2:15:12Speaker 04

  there is a prostate.

• 2:15:15Speaker 04

  This next document is a deposition.

• 2:15:19Speaker 04

  And he's asked the question. He's asked a series of hypothetical questions. "You can have high testosterone and still have a need for a Viagra because you don't have a prostate, right?" And he says, "Correct."

• 2:15:34Speaker 04

  Seemingly indicating on face value that he doesn't have a prostate.

• 2:15:40Speaker 04

  Now, there's controversy over this because people make the argument that the "you" in that sentence is the royal "you", meaning sort of a general question about someone's medical condition. Okay, fair enough. But the next document is a LabCorp record.

• 2:16:00Speaker 04

  And he has a series of lab core records and other medical records, as well as intake forms that began as early as I could find as 2012, maybe, where he's having problems with his prostate, his testes. There's some kind of urological problem that he's having. And so he's visiting a urologist. And at the bottom of this and highlighted, it says, serum PSA should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostateectomy, which is the removal of the prostate. So in his deposition, he remarks that it'd be correct. This is what to expect if you don't have a prostate.

• 2:16:44Speaker 04

  In his lab core record, it seems to be a a document indicating either pre-surgery or follow-on, or at least some kind of analysis for what the condition of his prostate would be like, or his PSA in your analysis would be if he didn't have a prostate. But the official finding in the autopsy is he had a prostate. And based on all of the other records that look at his medical history and things that his associates sent him, it appears he most likely had prostate cancer. And I know that because his associates would send him medical journal articles

• 2:17:26Speaker 04

  about the state of the art of prostate cancer, vaccines, cures. These were, there were 132 records if you search prostate cancer in the files. He also had a health coach that he seemingly donated a lot of money to, who was sending him articles about, or referencing an article for him to go look at about being recovered from stage four prostate cancer. So these three files in and of themselves are not entirely determinative about the condition of the prostate, but it's a valid, open question about whether he didn't have a prostate and the office of the chief medical examiner

• 2:18:10Speaker 04

  didn't track that. And it wasn't his body on the table. Wow.

• 2:18:24Speaker 04

  Detractors of this theory make the comment that this bottom paragraph is boilerplate language on a LabCorp record. Fair enough, but he's still being evaluated for what his level should look like following a radical prostatectomy. And prostate cancer is occurring many times throughout the files. So I'm not going to say that it's completely determinative, but it's a very open, valid question about if they made a mistake here. What we do know is that he had a body double of some kind. Say that again?

• 2:19:04Speaker 04

  We do know that the FBI's own memo showed that they pushed out a body for the media to see that was covered in boxes and blankets to divert them away from following it as it moved away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center. We know that for sure, 100%.

• 2:19:24Speaker 04

  There's a memo showing that they pulled this scheme to trick the media, basically, when it came out. But weirdly, the New York Post was there to take photos.

• 2:19:36Speaker 04

  And so what they did is, as the gurney came out, took photos of this alleged body on the gurney.

• 2:19:45Speaker 04

  From the FBI memo, they say it was boxes and sheets. The New York Post took photos of somebody. And we know that because we have those photos. And what people went back and did is they compared the photos of him on the gurney

• 2:20:01Speaker 04

  to his mugshots and compared the ear and the bridge of the nose.

• 2:20:09Speaker 04

  And if you look at the cartilage of a dead person, it's not going to change that much. Like, their face is going to change, the way that the body carries fluids, they'd look different, but your cartilage doesn't change right after you die.

• 2:20:26Speaker 04

  So you can see for yourself.

• 2:20:29Speaker 04

  The difference between even just the nose. One of them is him dead. The New York Post photos. And the other is him alive. The mugshot.

• 2:20:43Speaker 04

  The bridge of the nose is curved. On the dead body.

• 2:20:48Speaker 04

  And it's more straight on. The mugshot.

• 2:20:54Speaker 04

  The ear.

• 2:20:57Speaker 04

  The ear is interesting because you can identify a body based on the ears. We have unique shapes of our ears. Kind of like a fingerprint in a way.

• 2:21:07Speaker 04

  And the version I'm showing is in black and white. In color, this is more evident, but I didn't have a color printer. No one has printers anymore.

• 2:21:14Shawn Ryan?

  Hold the image up.

• 2:21:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:17Speaker 04

  You could see the comparison of the ears. It's not the same ear.

• 2:21:21Speaker 04

  So who was on that gurney?

• 2:21:25Speaker 04

  Because based on this. Unless something really crazy happened to his face after he died. Which I guess is possible. That's not his face.

• 2:21:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that is completely different.

• 2:21:46Speaker 04

  It's a different guy.

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• 2:22:59Speaker 04

  You put all this together and you look at it and you think, "Am I crazy?"

• 2:23:04Shawn Ryan?

  The whole thing makes you think you're crazy.

• 2:23:06Speaker 04

  It does. It makes you think you're crazy.

• 2:23:07Shawn Ryan?

  From the beginning.

• 2:23:10Shawn Ryan?

  If you vocalize what you're thinking,

• 2:23:15Shawn Ryan?

  the institutions, the administration will all label you crazy.

• 2:23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:23:24Shawn Ryan?

  Low IQ.

• 2:23:27Speaker 04

  CBS News-

• 2:23:28Shawn Ryan?

  Conspiracy theorist.

• 2:23:29Speaker 04

  Covered an article on us.

• 2:23:31Shawn Ryan?

  Say that again.

• 2:23:32Speaker 04

  CBS News did an article on us, legacy media institution. I think the reporters that we talked to were good people. I think it was at an editor desk. It said, "Oh, this has all been debunked." None of this has been debunked. None of it. It's lazy. If you can't contend with the facts, you smear me and Ben. You paint us as crazy conspiracy theorists. You do lawfare, sue us for civil trespass. Anything, anything but contend with the evidence itself.

• 2:24:05Speaker 04

  And I think this is part of the playbook. And the enemy is more sophisticated than we realize. I fell for some of their tricks, hook, line and sinker. And the most clever one is the controversy that began right after he died. There was an autopsy that was performed, and the conclusion of the autopsy says, "This is death by hanging." Official narrative.

• 2:24:33Speaker 04

  At the same time, his brother Mark Epstein hires a forensic examiner to look at the results of the autopsy.

• 2:24:41Speaker 04

  The forensic examiner says, "Well, hold up. This little bone in the neck called the hyoid bone. If that breaks, that's more consistent with strangulation." And now this controversy begins between he killed himself or he was murdered. From the jump. You think that was manufactured as well? If I'm wanting to take my kids to dinner, as their dad, I say, "Hey, do you guys want to go out for steak or sushi?" And you know what they do? They bicker like nine-year-olds. Normal nine-year-old stuff. Steak, sushi, steak, sushi. I don't care.

• 2:25:26Speaker 04

  I love both. They're both great. But I've controlled the narrative. And what they did is brilliant. They controlled the narrative on this because they knew the official statement would be rejected by people who don't trust our institutions. Immediately would be rejected. The number one global pedophile dies by suicide as the first suicide in 21 years, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. First suicide in 21 years. They know damn well that people are going to say, "No way. We're not that dumb." So what happened? Well, the forensic examiner says, "Oh, this was suicide by hanging, and I fell for this hook, line, and sinker."

• 2:26:10Speaker 04

  It's like, clearly, he was murdered. Clearly. It's a false choice. It's a false choice. The third option. It's entirely valid. Look, with my kids, there's a lot of other options. All their favorites. Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, whatever. Tons of options. But I narrowed it down to two, gave them two, and made them fight over which two. So you've seen this in a near decade of memes now about Epstein didn't kill himself. Yeah, he didn't. He left the cell alive. That's the third option, and they controlled the narrative from day one. Brilliant move.

• 2:26:58Speaker 04

  How much more do you have to look through?

• 2:27:03Speaker 04

  There are some post-life signals that are interesting. You brought up the Fortnite one. I am not convinced that the official Fortnite position is anything but part of the cover-up. I could be wrong. I'm not gonna hold on to that one too tight. Maybe. Hit another gaming account that went live called War Thunder under the email that he had. I don't know anything about War Thunder, but the email he had, [email protected], I believe it is. There's receipts and things like that. There's activity on that email afterwards. That's very interesting. If everyone thinks you're dead, what do you care if you use the same email? Your files aren't coming out. No one has access to your Gmail. So those are intriguing.

• 2:27:47Speaker 04

  And then the most intriguing for me is there's a YouTuber named Rusty Shackelford. And he flew a drone over Little St. James.

• 2:27:59Speaker 04

  And he got like two hours of footage. 4K, it looks like. Great resolution. And as he flies around, he brings the drone over roughly the middle of the island-ish. And there's some side-by-sides sitting there.

• 2:28:16Speaker 04

  And the drone is positioned above these side-by-sides. And there's someone in one of the side-by-sides in the driver's seat. Who leans forward and looks up at the drone and then goes back in that side-by-side.

• 2:28:33Speaker 04

  And that person looked like an older gentleman with gray hair.

• 2:28:40Speaker 04

  That met my threshold of this should be looked at.

• 2:28:44Speaker 04

  This is post-death. And let me tell you something about that island, because I've been to it.

• 2:28:49Speaker 04

  If you wanted to hide somewhere, these intelligence people will hide in plain sight.

• 2:28:55Speaker 04

  It wouldn't be a bad option, especially if you have to clean up some loose ends with your computers or technical infrastructure.

• 2:29:01Speaker 04

  No one's gonna think you're alive. And even if I came forward and I said, "He's alive and he's on that island," people would laugh at me. No way, man, no way. So it's not an unsafe place, particularly because you can stay there with extreme privacy. And the only way that you wouldn't have privacy is if someone has an aerial shot of you, which seems really unlikely, but this guy did. He flew this drone over and you can watch this footage on Rumble. It's been taken down all over the internet, but it's still up on Rumble as of today. Who knows if it'll still be up? But I'm sure people have preserved it. You can look and make your own decision. This is post-death and pre-AI, which meets our criteria. If it's after he died and before the introduction of large language models which can edit images.

• 2:29:48Speaker 04

  All right, we'll put that in. So you take all of these now in totality, from the passport, to the conditions in the jail cell, the trust, the escape plan, the condition of the body when he is wheeled out on the gurney, and walk your way all the way down. And then post-life signals that carry some weight.

• 2:30:19Speaker 04

  The option with the fewest problems of the three is that he left that cell alive.

• 2:30:26Speaker 04

  And he left that cell alive. We want proof of life.

• 2:30:34Speaker 04

  Do you think he'll ever find out?

• 2:30:37Speaker 04

  We're gonna try.

• 2:30:40Speaker 04

  Here's how we're gonna do it and are doing it. So Alex, my co-founder and I work for Rewards for Justice. It's the federal government's rewards program for information about the who's who in the national security world of bad guys. It's a very effective program. They put out $5 million for Bob Bad Guy. Say that you took a different path in life and you're Sean Ryan and you run a terrorist network and everyone that's in your staff here is part of your terrorist network. And then you wake up one day and you see on the news that there's $5 million reward for information about the location of Sean Ryan.

• 2:31:19Speaker 04

  What are you worried about? A lot of things. Yeah. You're worried about everyone that knows your eye color, your plate numbers, where you bed down. It creates incentives for betrayal within your network. It also restricts your freedom of movement and closes your horizons. You can't travel anymore. Can't be on planes, can't be jet setting, can't be driving around past marketplaces, going to see your associate friends. It makes the enemy adjust their TTPs.

• 2:32:01Speaker 04

  We don't have $5 million, but we do have is a lot of people that are mad about this. And we started the reward pool and put in 40,000 of our own money and people are contributing to this reward pool. If we're wrong, and I'm willing to be wrong, in fact, I would prefer to be wrong. I take no satisfaction in being right about this. If we're wrong, every dollar in that reward pool goes to Ben's organization. We fight monsters, help people in trafficking and addiction. Every dollar. If we're wrong and we can't prove it. But if we're right, that reward pool will grow and grow year over year as a long-term commitment to justice and truth. It incentivizes people to come forward.

• 2:32:44Speaker 04

  And if people have proof of life, we want direct observational evidence, not open source. I mean, Ben is doing the open source side. My human collection side wants direct observational evidence. I was his driver. I was his gardener. I was his plastic surgeon. Those people, because his associates aren't going to care. Say we get it to a million dollars. Say some crazy person watching this who has a ton of money says, I believe in this, and puts in $10 million. His associates don't care about that much money. They don't care. But you know who would care? Or all of the logistical parts of his life that

• 2:33:26Speaker 04

  have people that require, they're required to hide someone. Gardeners, security, drivers, maids, plastic surgeons. People that know. And this is not a fringe belief that he's alive among his people in the Virgin Islands and people that, you know, went to high school with him, survivors of his crimes. So you build a reward pool big enough, it becomes expensive to stay silent.

• 2:34:04Speaker 04

  Where do people go for that?

• 2:34:07Speaker 04

  They can go to epsteinisntdead.org, read the evidence. Make your own conclusion. If you believe in this and you think you'll let that cell alive, consider the reward pool. The other thing that they can do is go to closedhorizon.com, where we've created a marketplace for truth. We are tired of being lied to about everything and constant deception.

• 2:34:38Speaker 04

  Tired of it. There are questions that matter and are dangerous questions. If I'm right, this is a dangerous question. Closed Horizon allows anyone to create a campaign and fund it like GoFundMe and pay sources for information. Whatever your question is. There's other questions out there that are dangerous questions. Who really killed Charlie Kirk? It's a dangerous question. They don't have to be big questions. They can be little ones too.

• 2:35:07Shawn Ryan?

  Who really killed JFK?

• 2:35:09Speaker 04

  Who killed JFK? These are big ones.

• 2:35:11Shawn Ryan?

  Where'd those files go? I mean, we were told they were gonna release those files, right?

• 2:35:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. He campaigned on that, right? Trump did?

• 2:35:23Shawn Ryan?

  If my memory is correct, yes, he did.

• 2:35:29Speaker 04

  Why is everything a lie?

• 2:35:34Speaker 04

  This is what I mean by an epistemological crisis. We have become accustomed to being lied to about everything.

• 2:35:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I know.

• 2:35:54Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I hope you get to the bottom of this. That's some, um, pretty compelling evidence that you've got there.

• 2:36:03Speaker 04

  We're not willing to give up on it. Can't, man. Can't give up on this one. Can't.

• 2:36:15Shawn Ryan?

  What's next for you guys?

• 2:36:23Speaker 04

  The other way that people can help here is we're calling for an Epstein Truth Commission.

• 2:36:31Speaker 04

  And if any members of Congress have the courage to reach out to us, we believe that there should be an Epstein Truth Commission, like there was a 9/11 Truth Commission or 9/11 Commission, and a Church Committee after the JFK assassination. Now, there's problems with those, sure. But the FBI has fully abdicated its duty to investigate this. Completely. There's no reason that Anrod Regas, based on my reading, shouldn't be charged under the Mann Act and the Sex Trafficking Statute for procuring people and bringing them to the islands for illegal sexual activity. That's a low-hanging fruit one.

• 2:37:13Speaker 04

  That's the island manager, not a billionaire. That's an easy one. That's... The sacrificial lamb brought people to that island for the purpose of illegal sexual activity, harbored and transported for child victims for commercial sex. Something of value was exchanged for a sex act. So if there's no FBI and DOJ who's willing to do this in this administration, we need a long-term commitment to justice from our federal government.

• 2:37:45Shawn Ryan?

  I'm still trying to figure out how somebody gets arrested for sex trafficking when there's... Who'd he traffic to?

• 2:37:53Speaker 04

  To nobody, Sean. Delane and Epstein didn't traffic them to anybody. Believe that and go back to Bren Circus.

• 2:38:04Shawn Ryan?

  I can't wait for that UFC fight.

• 2:38:05Speaker 04

  Let's go, baby.

• 2:38:06Shawn Ryan?

  I bet it's gonna be a real good one.

• 2:38:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. The stakes are high. I think people have to wake up to that.

• 2:38:24Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Ryan, I really appreciate what you're doing, man. Thanks for coming in.

• 2:38:28Speaker 04

  I have something for you.

• 2:38:29Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, shit.

• 2:38:34Speaker 04

  Ben gave you the "We Fight Monsters" flag. This is the Closed Horizon flag that we brought to the island. So, you got two.

• 2:38:44Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man. Thank you.

• 2:38:49Speaker 04

  That's our, um... Our logo is a reticle and the north compass, a compass with the north indicated.

• 2:38:58Shawn Ryan?

  Love it.

• 2:39:01Speaker 04

  Truth. Gotta find truth. I have another good for you. My understanding is, as you were reading the Stoics, is that right?

• 2:39:12Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:13Speaker 04

  Who's your favorite?

• 2:39:15Shawn Ryan?

  Marcus Aurelius.

• 2:39:16Speaker 04

  Marcus Aurelius. The OG Stoic.

• 2:39:18Shawn Ryan?

  That's right. My interview yesterday was about this.

• 2:39:21Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 2:39:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:23Speaker 04

  He's made a generational impact on the lives of men. Be like the promontory upon which the waves continually crash while they're lulled asleep at your feet. That's how a man should be, and you're one of those men. And this is a... Roman Donarius. With the... Depiction of Marcus Aurelius on it.

• 2:39:53Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, damn.

• 2:39:53Speaker 04

  And I give that to you as a fellow truth seeker. You have the courage to say things here that other people won't say. It was given to me by a truth seeker. I pass it to you as a truth seeker that is saying things that other people are afraid to say, won't say, that matter. And maybe one day you'll pass it along to another truth seeker and you'll have a long legacy of truth seekers who have owned that coin.

• 2:40:20Shawn Ryan?

  I will. Thank you, man. Ryan, I wish you the best of luck, and if you come across anything else, let me know. I'd love to have you and Ben and anybody else back that's in on this.

• 2:40:35Speaker 04

  We'd love to come back.

• 2:40:37Shawn Ryan?

  All right, brother. God bless.

• 2:40:39Speaker 04

  Thanks, Sean.

• 2:40:39Shawn Ryan?

  Cheers.

• 2:40:53Shawn Ryan?

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