Bonus Episode: Near Death Experiences and Unlikely Covers

In this week’s After Party, we dive into the near-death experience of Depeche Mode’s Dave Gahan. After a harrowing moment in 1996, he floated above his body, witnessing paramedics trying to save him. But where do rock stars really go when they die? Is it a dark void or a realm of love? Plus, we hear from you about your favorite unlikely cover songs. Welcome to the After Party, Disgos! See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 2:33Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 3:00Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call "The Afterparty." This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other. It's the backyard to dig into the dirt where our mission is to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, and to reclaim the story from music history. On this bonus episode, Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode died and came back to life. What he saw afterward has us asking, "Where do rock stars go when they die?" The near-death experiences of the Depeche Mode frontman and other rock stars, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who knows that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 3:43Jake Brennan?

  DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind that you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 4:01Jake Brennan?

  Where do rock stars go when they die? They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. In this week's episode of DisgraceLand on Depeche Mode, part of the story focuses on the near-death experience of singer Dave Gahan, the time his heart stopped for two minutes after injecting a speedball in 1996. Dave survived. And I love NDE stories. That's near-death experience. So I love this story. I love NDE stories, near-death experience stories, because...

• 4:36Jake Brennan?

  It's the greatest trick in storytelling at play. Where you tease the audience with the answer to a question that is just, they just said they have to have the answer. They can't not have it. And this is the greatest question of all. What comes next? I read a book on near death experiences once by a neurosurgeon, a neurosurgeon who claims to have had an NDE, an NDE, excuse me, himself. He suffered from a coma and he came back and he gave a scientific explanation of what he believes happened to him and where he went while he was clinically dead and before he returned.

• 5:19Jake Brennan?

  And he too, this neurosurgeon like Dave Gahan, like I said, was clinically dead for a moment. Now, Dave Gahan told NME in 2013 that when he died, he was floating above his own body in the hospital room and looking down at his former self while paramedics went about trying to save his life. He said that these seconds of death that he experienced, for him anyways, they moved like hours. Time moved slow. He also said that he was screaming, but nothing was happening. And that he believes this was his soul screaming out. And then came darkness, complete, all encompassing darkness.

• 6:03Jake Brennan?

  And just this blackness, this is the important part. It was frightening. Until Dave was eventually thrust back into his body before waking up alive. Now, in the book, Proof of Heaven, A Neurosurgeon's Journey Into the Afterlife, Dr. Even Alexander, this is the neurosurgeon I was talking about earlier, he went further in his near death experience than Dave Gahan.

• 6:32Jake Brennan?

  His time of unconsciousness lasted longer than the Depeche Mode frontmans. And Dr. Alexander was in a coma for a full seven days. And he describes his time on the other side as a place of unconditional love, a place where love permeates every element of your being, of being tapped into a universal consciousness, where telepathic communication between other souls is possible, where rich, vibrant colors dance with a divine light, a portal of sorts, okay? A gateway to, as he describes it, the all-knowing, loving Creator.

• 7:17Jake Brennan?

  Should be noted, by the way, that Dr. Alexander was an atheist, I believe, before he wrote this book. And he doesn't go into spirituality, or religion, or faith very much at all. That's not what this book is. It's, again, it's a very scientific take on his experience. He describes, he describes the afterlife as a place where one soul continues to learn and grow, and where everything is guided by the constant, overwhelming sensation of connectedness and love. That sounds fucking awesome. But it also sounds a little bit different than Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode's experience. He was experiencing an all-encompassing, frightening blackness.

• 8:02Jake Brennan?

  Now, I don't really know how Dr. even Alexander lived his life. From what I remember from the book, and I read it, I don't remember how many years ago. It wasn't that long ago. From what I remember, he led a pretty normal life as not only as a doctor, but as a father, a husband, a brother, a son. And his time in his coma was marked by family members who visited him, were caring for him.

• 8:30Jake Brennan?

  These are all the signs of a man who not only was loved, but who also most likely put a lot of love into the world. And my point is that we can probably assume that the doctor here didn't live a life of depeche mode debauchery and leave a trail of emotional hardship and personal relationship casualties along the way, as most rock stars do. And maybe this is why his afterlife experience, the doctors, was so different from the rock stars, from Dave Gahan's. And then again, maybe he just wanted to sell a lot of books. I don't know. People say a lot of things, okay? Even doctors, but especially musicians. I just watched a video last night of Robbie Williams, by the way, claiming that he'd

• 9:13Jake Brennan?

  had sex with a reptile or with a woman who turned into a reptile in the middle of sex. I shit you not, he's dead serious. I've talked about this before, John Lennon, you know? We all love John Lennon, you know? Man of, uh, I don't need to qualify who John Lennon was. We all know who John Lennon was, right? But John Lennon went on a New York news program in 1974 and detailed, told a story in detail and in all seriousness to his fellow New Yorkers about the UFO that he saw flying over his 52nd Street apartment. Okay? Rock stars could say crazy shit. Keith Richards claims that he snorted the ashes of his cremated father. Quincy Jones said that Paul McCartney was the worst bass player he ever heard.

• 9:54Jake Brennan?

  He also claimed Marlon Brando had sex with a mailbox. By the way, uh, in the exclusive section of this after-party episode, Zeth and I are going to dive into the wild, wild comments from the last interviews that Quincy Jones gave before he died. All the outlandish stories that Quincy told. Go to disgracelandpod.com to become an all-access member of Disgraceland and you'll get our take on this Quincy Jones madness by unlocking this exclusive content and more. Back to our story, however, where was I? Ah, yes, the outlandish things that rock stars say. Quincy Jones said, like I, like I mentioned, that Paul McCartney sucked.

• 10:35Jake Brennan?

  All right. Billy Corgan says that he once encountered a shapeshifter. Demi Lovato believes that her extraordinary vocal talent is derived from extraterrestrial origins. Grimes says that she was raised by N H Es, not to be confused with N D Es. N H Es, that's what we're talking about here. That's what Grimes is talking about. N H Es are non-human entities, aliens, tall whites, or the grays, or ultra-terrestrials, or shapeshifters, or fucking reptile people, non-human entities. This is who Grimes believes raised her. Okay, listen, who am I to judge? What do we actually know anyways? The more I learn, the less I know. That's how I feel. That's how I feel these days.

• 11:19Jake Brennan?

  The more I learn, the less I know. So who am I, who am I to tell Dave Gahan that he didn't die? Or to tell a neurosurgeon, again, a literal brain surgeon, that he doesn't know what he's talking about? Now, there have been other rock stars who have claimed to have died. And not one of them describes their experiences as being one of love and connectedness, like the good doctor here. Not that I've seen anyways. And I'm talking about real rock stars, not nice guys who play in jazz bands with their local pastors on the weekend, not, not guys, you know, who, I'm talking about rock stars, okay? Depeche fucking Mode's frontman, Nikki Sixx, okay?

• 12:02Jake Brennan?

  All of the real rock star near-death experience descriptions that I've read align closer to Dave Gahan's description of fear and darkness. When Nikki Sixx died, he described the incident as being painful. When Phil Insalmo of Pantera, when he died, as he claims his near-death experience, was a time spent in a black void. And there are others, but you get the gist. Fear, pain, a black void.

• 12:37Jake Brennan?

  These life after death rock star experiences, at least compared to the experience again of the neurosurgeon and frankly countless other accounts by non-rock stars of NDEs, these experiences that the rock stars detail, they sound hellish compared to a state of connectedness and love, which sounds heavenly. Maybe that's by design. I'm not saying it is. I'm just asking questions here. Again, where do rock stars go when they die? They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. I'm paraphrasing the MePuppets lyric that Kurt Cobain sang back in the early 90s. The real lyric is, "Where do bad folks go when they die? They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. They go to a lake of fire and fry, see

• 13:20Jake Brennan?

  him again on the 4th of July." And you know what? I believe what the MePuppets are saying here. I believe that there is some sort of grand sorting of souls after all of whatever the hell this is, and that what we do here in this life matters. And I've always believed that, even when I didn't know that I believed that. I still believed that. And I've acted accordingly, which isn't to say that I've always acted with love. I haven't. To paraphrase Fiona Apple, the next rock star that I'm gonna write about, I've been a bad, bad boy. But a lot of us have, all of us have, but nothing compared to how our rock stars have acted. Rock stars, like the rest of us, are complicated souls. They're capable of good

• 14:04Jake Brennan?

  and bad in equal measure sometimes, but for whom selfishness and sociopathy and pride, you know, for the rock stars, these are more like job requirements than personality flaws.

• 14:18Jake Brennan?

  Not so much quote unquote sins, but rather tools to ply their trade is what I'm getting at. Okay? All that bad behavior to manifest life experiences here and now that are filled with drama, crime even, murder, rape, arson, cannibalism, those of course are the worst of the worst. That's the worst of the behavior from our rock stars. But then there's the garden variety rock star narcissism and dickishness that leaves a trail of emotional chaos and wreckage that the rock star then unconsciously minds. Experiences, transgressive, dark experiences that they use to create with. Dark events from their own lives, brought about by their own free will.

• 15:01Jake Brennan?

  Real pain, pain that they bring upon others oftentimes. No different than us in some cases. Who among us hasn't broken someone's heart, right? Who among us hasn't unknowingly slighted someone else, made them feel small? Brought pain into the world. We all do it, okay? But the rock star, the rock star, some of them anyway, the real rock star is capable of bringing about a different kind of pain. And like everything in the rock star's life, the pain is bigger. And that pain brings big results. Again, it's the well they draw upon to write their songs, to create. And here's the irony. To create is to love.

• 15:43Jake Brennan?

  Creation, the act of bringing something into the world, something that is going to bring joy to somebody else, like a song, or an album, or a live music experience, to create those things, it's an act of love. So what I'm saying, I guess, is where do rock stars go when they die? Should they go to heaven, where the angels fly? Where the brain surgeons go at least? I don't know. All I know is Dave Gahan wrote the song "Personal Jesus", and when my poor Greek Orthodox mother walked into our living room and found 16-year-old me watching that video with the imagery of slinky Dave Gahan shirtless strutting around a dusty Mexican Sam Peckinpah set with those lyrics, "Your own personal Jesus, reach out and touch me",

• 16:28Jake Brennan?

  she was pissed.

• 16:32Jake Brennan?

  It pained her, no doubt, to watch her son, her 16-year-old son, being taken in by what, to her, was, again, no doubt, some symbol of the Antichrist right there in her living room. Call Father Charis, all right? Let's exorcise this bitch. But does this mean Dave Gahan should go to hell? Does it mean he is going to hell? I have no idea, man. This is not for me, my mother, or Father Charis to decide. But still, to quote Dave Gahan, frightening darkness, okay? That's what he saw. Frightening darkness. Quite different from what the neurosurgeon saw. Does that mean anything? Again, I don't know. None of us know anything. Like I said, the more I learn, the less I know.

• 17:15Jake Brennan?

  I don't know what any of this adds up to, but it is fun to talk about, and it's the exact type of thing that we'd be talking about at the house party after the gig, at the after-party. Did Dave Gahan die and come back to life? He thinks so. Did Nikki Sixx? Nikki Sixx says a lot of shit. Did Marlon Brando have sex with a mailbox, like Quincy Jones says? Did Billy Corgan really see a shapeshifter? Again, these are the hard-hitting, serious questions we ask here in Disgraceland's after-party and sometimes get to answer, or at least try to. You can answer them too, but you gotta call me to do that, 617-906-6638, leave me a voicemail, or send me a text. I got a big question coming in next week's episode. How did Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins die? Taylor did not come back from the dead, unfortunately.

• 17:59Jake Brennan?

  He died tragically in a Colombian hotel, and we still don't know how. For real, there's still no official cause of death. It's been four years since one of the most famous drummers on the planet died, and we still don't have an official cause of death. Nothing, nada, zilch. Why not? What's the deal? Well, I'm gonna tell you what I think is going on in that episode next week. And when I'm done, I'd like your opinion on the cause of Taylor Hawkins's death. How did he die? I wanna know what you think. So get your calls, texts, 617-906-6638, get them into me. DM me, @disgracelandpod on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, X, and email me, [email protected]. Coming up Sunday, our rewind episode, okay?

• 18:44Jake Brennan?

  For this week is our classic episode on Selena, okay? We do have an official cause of death for Selena, and it was heartbreaking and entirely unnecessary, and this tragedy has become one of the classic true crime stories from music history. If you haven't heard, if you have heard it, but you haven't heard us tell it, then I invite you to fire up your podcast app this Sunday while you're out by the grill or in your garden, you're making breakfast in the kitchen for your family, whatever you're doing, just pop in your earbuds and spin through Disgrace Land and the tragic tale of Selena with us. All right. Next week, like I said, next Tuesday, our new episode on the Foo Fighters. And coming up next, right here in the after party, right after this, your voicemails,

• 19:25Jake Brennan?

  texts, DMs, and more from last week's question of the week. So don't go anywhere.

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• 20:52Jake Brennan?

  All right, Debbie Harry said it best from Blondie. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. You got me hanging on the telephone, 617-906-6638. Let's check out Dee in the 214.

• 21:04Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, it's Dee from Dallas, Texas. And I just listened to your show, your Disgrace Land episode on Depeche Mode, and you were asking for suggestions of covers. And you have to check out Tim Dracula's version of Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls.

• 21:28Speaker 07

  I'm sure you've heard it because you're such a cult, such a well-rounded, cultural kind of guy, but if you haven't, you've got to listen to it. So out of the norm, out of character for everything that they usually do, but it's frickin' awesome. And the first time I heard it, it made me cry. Give it a listen.

• 21:56Jake Brennan?

  All right, Dee, I'll see your Kim Dracula, Goo Goo Dolls, Iris, and I will raise you a Megadeth Anarchy in the UK by the Sex Pistols cover. Check that out. I checked out the Kim Dracula cover of Goo Goo Dolls, and I gotta say, I liked it better than the Goo Goo Dolls version of Iris, which is fucking everywhere these days. That song, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I don't love that song to begin with, but at least this one's more interesting. Thank you, Dee. Appreciate you. Dee in the 214. And this is a nice intro to Daniel in the 707. Let's hear from Daniel.

• 22:35Speaker 08

  Hey Jake, this is Daniel from 707, California, Pacific Northwest. So my selection for the best cover song is gonna be Megadeth's version of These Boots, the 1966 song by Nancy Sinatra, the original one we all know, we all love, we're pretty familiar with. So Megadeth, of course, we imagined it in a metal fashion, which included spicing up and changing the lyrics a bit in addition to everything else. So this leads to a little bit of a story because the songwriter, Lee Hazelwood, apparently was not having it. And he said, no permission, no go. Mistake fought it in court, said, hey, it's satire, it's irony, it's comedy. Uh,

• 23:17Speaker 08

  but it wasn't going. So their response was, in subsequent releases of the Megadeth album, they just bleeped out some of the lyrics. But that was pretty much obnoxious and unlistenable. So the third solution was to simply release their metal version of the song originally, but with Nancy Sinatra slash Lee Hazelwood's actual lyrics of the song. I don't know legally how that all works, but apparently that settled it. And so now we just have the straightforward metal version of These Boots. All right, so we'll wrap it up now, but one last note is that this dovetails with last week's question about memoirs and autobiographies for which I will say the

• 23:59Speaker 08

  book Mustaine by Dave Mustaine himself is a absolutely great read. So, thank you, love you all.

• 24:07Jake Brennan?

  Daniel, I have never heard the Megadeth version of the Nancy Sinatra song, but like I just mentioned, I do, or I did at least, really dig the Megadeth cover of the Sex Pistols' "Anarchy" in the UK. And I'm not embarrassed to admit that that was the first version of that song that I heard as a young boy. And I quickly, though, went to the Sex Pistols. And that is the classic version, obviously. It's better than the Guns N' Roses version. It's better than any attempt at that song. Nothing compares to the Sex Pistols version. Uh, thank you for your call, Daniel. Appreciate you. All right, let's go, Sean. Let's bring us to the 9:05.

• 24:49Speaker 09

  Hey, friend, just regarding the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame do-over or fresh start list. Um, I gotta say, I like where your head's at. Don't agree with every pick. I do heavily agree with the Jay Gals Band, however they should be in already. Um, but I, for myself, I think I would consider any Hall of Fame illegitimate if it didn't have the Pixies. I mean, influence, it's no secret that two of the Pixies' biggest fans are Kurt Cobain and Damon Albarn. They talk about them all the time, or used to. Um, counterculture, I mean, arguably their two biggest mainstream moments came in the form of movie soundtracks, both which were entirely about counterculture and Public the Volume and Fight Club. So, yeah, any Hall that, uh, that I would want to be a part of definitely has to include

• 25:33Speaker 09

  the Pixies. Pixies, Pixies, Pixies. Right on. Great content. Peace.

• 25:37Jake Brennan?

  Okay, guys, um, I don't know how many messages and voicemails we got about the Pixies and Jay Gals Band. I mentioned Jay Gals Band last week, uh, that they should be part of our Disgrace and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And they are, I think we just inducted them. And I think their being from Boston prompted the Pixies' responses as well, which I absolutely agree with. The Pixies should be in the real Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Full stop. And you bring up a really good point, like, we know about the Nirvana influence. We sometimes, I sometimes forget about the Blur influence, which you mentioned, you mentioned both of those 905. But also, the, the cultural argument because of the movie soundtrack piece is huge as well.

• 26:23Jake Brennan?

  And it goes to show just how influential and important that band is. And I don't know, have they ever been nominated? That's something I'm gonna find out. They should be. Maybe, maybe, I don't know if this happens, if you get nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and if you're like Susan Lucci and you just miss it for, you know, five years in a row, or whatever, they just stop nominating you. I don't know if that happened to the Pixies or not. If it did, it's a damn shame. I'll look into it for you. I'll report back next week, 905, and everyone else who recommended the Pixies, 714, 714. Sean, go to the 714.

• 26:58Speaker 10

  Hey Jake, this is Junior, 714. Cover songs. First one comes to mind, so many great ones out there, but one of my favorites, Mojo Nixon's cover of The Smiths' Girlfriend in a Coma. Frickin' fun cover. I, if you haven't heard it, I hope you enjoy it. R.I.P. Mojo Nixon, and you're doing a great job, Jake. Keep doing what you're doing, brother. I'll talk to you later. Bye.

• 27:26Jake Brennan?

  Mojo Nixon, Girlfriend in a Coma by The Smiths. No, I have never heard that. But I'm interested, man. I am interested. We've been having a lot of fun with The Smiths lately. In our video podcast, This Film Should Be Played Loud, we have a category that we get to now every, in every episode, which quote from this movie should be a Smith song title. And we, we pulled a great, a couple of great ones out of high fidelity, which you will hear next week when we release the next episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud. You gotta be a Patreon member, though, to check that out. Go to disgracypod.com to sign up. 6179066638714. Thanks for the Mojo Nixon message again.

• 28:09Jake Brennan?

  Let's do... let's go to the 920.

• 28:13Speaker 11

  Greetings fellow discos. I'm down low in the 920. I drive all day fixing vending machines and while I'm doing that, I love to listen to the Strace Land and Hollywood Land. And Jake brought up Unlikely remix. Okay, the OG Johnny Cash with Hurt. Fair enough. Here's one that's not necessarily unlikely, but the first time I heard War Pigs was Faith No More's War Pigs. And then when I heard the original Black Sabbath, I liked Faith No More better. And it comes down to production, art and skill. But you know what? Sometimes the first time you hear a specific song is the time

• 28:55Speaker 11

  you like it the best. No shade to the Sabbath. All I gotta say is rock and roll up. Pete South signing off Evermore.

• 29:06Jake Brennan?

  Yo, I hear ya. I hear ya. But I think the freon or whatever it is they got coursing through the vending machines might be influencing you. There's no freon in vending machines. I know that, but I'm trying to make a point that Faith No More's version of War Pigs is not better than Black Sabbath. But that's your opinion, man. That's just like your opinion, man. And you are entitled to that. And I get it. I totally get it. Sometimes your point is completely valid. Sometimes the first version of the song that you hear is the best version of it. Okay? Like Little Latin Lupty Lou, you know? For Barry and

• 29:46Jake Brennan?

  High Fidelity, it's the Righteous Brothers, Righteous Brothers version. Or is it the Izzy Brothers? I can't remember. Whatever it is, it's not Mitch Ryder and the fucking Detroit Wheels as...

• 30:00Jake Brennan?

  As Dick was well told. Anyhow, um, on Faith No More and their cover songs, "Easy Like Sunday Morning," fantastic, "Like War Pigs." We had this ongoing argument, my best friend, one of my best friends growing up, Dutch and I, uh, when we were kids, on how a song should be covered. And he believed that the Faith No More approach was the right approach. Like he tried to treat it like a, like a recreation of the original, which, uh, I just believe is completely false still to this day. And Dutch, now I talk into a microphone for a living. So I think, I think I can better make my point. Um, I think the way to do it is to, at least the covers that I respond to the

• 30:42Jake Brennan?

  most strongly are the ones that are interpretations of the original, where, where the person covering the song interprets it and brings their own musical point of view, uh, and style to what we're hearing. That's, you know, that's what I love. Like it goes back. It's the classic version of like, you know, lots of people in the early days of pop music would record the same songs. Lots of people would record Cole Porter songs, but you'd, you'd want the Ella Fitzgerald version of the Cole Porter songbook because you just love the way that she made the songs her own versus, uh, I don't know, another jazz singer. Okay. Even if that jazz singer was good, you might prefer one's interpretation over the other.

• 31:26Jake Brennan?

  And they weren't always just sort of recreations. Anyhow, that's my take on it, but what do I know? Um, appreciate your 920. Check out, you've probably heard it, but Charles Bradley's version of Changes, Black Sabbath's Changes, another great cover and an unlikely one at that. All right, let's do some texts. 617-906-6638. Kara in the 703, "Hey Jake, this is Kara. Unlikely cover I heard recently is Radiohead Creep, covered by Tears for Fears." I need to hear this. Thank you for the nice words about our content too, Kara. Appreciate you. Ally in the 540. Jake, as cliche as it is, other than the boss,

• 32:08Jake Brennan?

  Bruce Springsteen, I have to say Taylor Swift is the most influential musician that I have come across. I discovered her when I was 10 and she had just released the Fearless album. And growing up, she's been the soundtrack to my life from narrating breakups I've been through to dealing with a family member with a terminal illness. Her range of topics is just aligned so perfectly with my life. She's put things in words so beautifully that I wouldn't even have imagined. I love the show. Keep up the great work. P.S. Thanks for the T-shirt and the poster. Ally, I hear you. And it's interesting to hear the perspective of somebody who got into Taylor Swift as a 10-year-old, and I'm assuming is now an adult, and hearing

• 32:51Jake Brennan?

  how her songs have tracked and stayed with you through the sort of narrative of your life, that's pretty fascinating. And that's a very powerful skill for a pop artist to have. I wonder how much of it is intentional and how much of it is organic. I would bet that it is a healthy mix of the two with most of it being organic. Anyways, 540, I'm happy that you have such a close connection to an artist and have for some time. Sounds fantastic. May we all be so lucky. And I think most of us are. Now, is Lisa in the 907 lucky? Let's see what Lisa's got to say here. Another deep cut on the cover subject here, another deep cut from the late 90s. Check

• 33:32Jake Brennan?

  out Edwin McCain's cover of James Taylor's "I've Got to Stop Thinking About That." It's on the misguided roses album, but I saw him perform it in person and it was fantastic. I'll stop now. Lisa from the 907. Lisa, thank you. You don't have to stop. This is fantastic. I've never heard of this, you know, the song, the original by James Taylor. And I don't really know that much Edwin McCain, so I'm kind of stoked to get into this. Thank you, Lisa. Tanya in the 646 writes in, "Hey Jake, my number one, not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but should be, is Captain Beefheart, AKA Don Van Vle. I'm with you on Jeff Buckley,

• 34:13Jake Brennan?

  too, and Jeff Buckley is only two degrees of separation from Beefheart. Guitarist-songwriter Gary Lucas was in at least two iterations of the Magic Band, that's Beefheart's band, and later on Jeff Buckley was in Gary Lucas's band Gods and Monsters before going solo. And Gary, Gary Lucas, wrote the music for the songs Grace and Mojo Pin on Jeff's debut album and plays on those tracks. Cheers from Tanya W. in New York City. Full disclosure, I'm friends with Gary and maintain his website, but I swear this is all true. Tanya, we believe you. We believe you. I feel like Beefheart's gonna get in on one of those, the way they

• 34:57Jake Brennan?

  put Graham Parsons in, what do they call that? Historical consideration or whatever the hell it is? And I think Jeff Buckley will get in eventually. By the way, anyone see that video recently? The first time I've seen it, Juliana Hadfield playing, I think it's at Axis on Newbury Street in Boston in the 90s, and it's the end of her set, and she's about to go into her encore or something, and Jeff Buckley just comes flying from side stage and stage dives into the drum set, ending her set. It's magnificent. Pretty amazing. Jeff is a wild dude, despite what he sounded like. Tanya, appreciate the texts. You know what I'm seeing here? There's a pattern here with the voicemails and texts.

• 35:42Jake Brennan?

  I think every voicemail I received, except one, was from dudes, and all the texts are from women. What is up with that? We need more variety. Come on, switch it up, guys, for next week. Where am I? Now I lost my space. We want to go to Flo in the 317. Flo, where are you at? Flo says, "Yo, it's Flo from the 317. I'm digging the recommendation section resuscitation. I pulled the trigger on one of Jake's book recommendations this week as he described the book as hard to find. When I found it, to my surprise, I found it on Amazon for seven bucks. The book in question is You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again. I'm sitting

• 36:23Jake Brennan?

  at an airport bar in Indianapolis, digging through this stellar account of some wild and heinous stories of some of rock's most vibrant characters. One foot in the gutter and one foot on solid ground always makes for a fan-fucking-tastic read. I got one recommendation for the crew at Double Elvis to quell the Oasis is just an OK band argument. Dig out your soul. If you don't love this record, then you never liked rock and roll." Okay. "Much love to all you guys. Thanks for all your entertaining storytelling. Much love, rock-a-rola." Flo, and Flo sends in a picture of, looks like she's working on a pint of something dark. What does that look like? Maybe it's Guinness? Maybe? Maybe

• 37:04Jake Brennan?

  something a little lighter, maybe harp? And also, it looks like you get a little neat pour of bourbon there as a little sidecar. And in the middle, she has a copy of what I'm astounded to see is a hard copy version on the bar between her drinks of You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again that she got for seven bucks on Amazon. I think I paid like $400 for this book or something insane like that. I don't know how you got this, but, uh, congrats. Of course, I bought mine about five years ago. Sometimes that matters. Maybe a bunch more were released into the wild. I don't know. I bought, uh, I found,

• 37:49Jake Brennan?

  yesterday I found a copy of the Madonna Playboy, which I have long coveted, not because of any perverted Madonna reasons, but just because my wife and I collect old Playboys. And, um, this is a hard one, not just because of Madonna, but it's also hard because it's one of the last stapled copies, editions I should say, of Playboy. Now I found it for 40 bucks.

• 38:17Jake Brennan?

  And typically, it's about $300 to find a copy on the internet. So I don't know what the hell I'm getting into. I don't know what's going to show up on my doorstep. And I'm probably going to have to wear like a hazmat suit to, to open this thing and handle it. But we shall see, we shall see. I'm off on a tangent here. Let's check in here with, uh, what do we know? We just talked to Flo in the 317. Let's, let's go to the 304. Okay. Luke, who I presume is a dude from the 304, who wrote 394. Luke, your area code is the 304. I know this. How I know it? Well, I can't tell you, but I know it to be a fact. Anyways, Luke writes in, hey, Concrete Blondes cover of Leonard Cohen's song.

• 39:02Jake Brennan?

  Everybody knows is an interesting version. It's on the excellent soundtrack from Christian Slater's movie, Pump Up the Volume. Yes. Great cover, unlikely cover, great original, great movie. I can't quibble with any of this, Luke, except for your area code, the 304. Now, Jules in the 425. Hey Jake, Jules in the 425, just listened to your bit on Beastie Boys. Awesome job and a fan since the start. And we just wanted to mention that the Apple TV has a great doc on the Beastie Boys not to be missed by true fans. Keep them coming. You rule. You're absolutely right, Jules. Beastie Boys story in, on Apple is fantastic. And it honestly, it made the telling of our story really hard because it's tough to, you can't really, who's going to tell the Beastie Boys story better than the Beastie Boys?

• 39:47Jake Brennan?

  Nobody, okay? But we did find some choice nugs, as they say in the research. And we were able to put something together that I think is pretty original. Hope you check that Beastie Boys episode out, guys. If you haven't, it's our latest rewind episode. Should be pretty high in your feed. 209, first time texter, just listened to the Hall of Fame discussion. The Black Crows couldn't get in to the Hall of Fame either. That's because they were all about excess and debauchery and giving the middle finger to everyone. Did they get in eventually?

• 40:14Jake Brennan?

  I think they do get in eventually.

• 40:18Jake Brennan?

  Should they get in before the Pixies? That's a question I'm asking myself now, based on the input from all of you guys. And I don't think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame discriminates against excess and debauchery. Maybe they do now. No, no. They just let Oasis in. What are we even talking about? All right. Appreciate it, though. 209, text us back, okay? Guys, great feedback this week, as always. 617-906-6638. Hit me with, I don't know, anything you want. More unlikely covers? Who's going in the Disgraceland Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Who your nominees are? Let me know. Who else besides the Pixies? Also, I want your theories on how Taylor Hawkins died, or at least on why there's been no official cause of death. 617-906-6638.

• 41:03Jake Brennan?

  Voicemail and text at @disgracelandpod on Instagram and elsewhere. [email protected] on the email. I'll be back in a flash with more from you guys, with your emails and your direct messages.

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• 42:30Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. My man Bill McLinton over on Instagram writes in, "Hey, pardon the interruption and with massive amounts of respect, 'Misunderstanding' was a 1980 Genesis song from their album Duke, not a Phil Collins solo effort." Well, shit, Bill, I stand corrected. I don't know what the fuck I've been thinking or talking about. I listen to that song so much. I search up that song so much on Spotify. And here I have been, just treating it like a regular old Phil Collins song. Fun fact, my other favorite Phil Collins song is not a Phil Collins song. It's a Philip Bailey song,

• 43:14Jake Brennan?

  okay? Trivia question. Do you know what I'm talking about? Hit me back, 617-906-6638. Let me know. Also, be like Bill. Let me know what you might want to correct here, anything we get wrong, because sometimes, like everybody else, we fuck up. We're imperfect beings, just like, just like everybody is. All right, let's do this email. This is [email protected]. This one comes from Tara Baker, subject Waylon Jennings. "Hey Jake, I'm going to try," all caps, to make this short, "I have listened since pretty much the beginning because I have a raging girl hard on for all music, Hollywood, and true crime. So your pods check all the boxes. However, I did take a break for a while when I fell off all podcasts for a bit, you know, just the natural ebb and flow of life. I did want to let you know that I just listened to the Waylon Jennings episode,

• 43:59Jake Brennan?

  and this one was near and dear to me because he is family. His dad and my grandfather were brothers, and my mom grew up in Littlefield, Texas, because most of the population of the town was just the Jennings family. You reminded me of stories that I have heard my entire life and just forgot, either from Waylon himself, or from my mother, my grandfather, aunts, uncles, because the Jennings family are talkers. Please note the length of this email. Genetics are rough." My mom would tell me about growing up with him, sometimes living at their house, and Buddy Holly coming over. They treated her like the little sister and put Buddy's glasses on her to watch her get dizzy and fall, or the time when they got her to lick the metal microphone they were using to practice. In my life, I've gotten to meet some pretty

• 44:43Jake Brennan?

  crazy people and hear some pretty crazy stories because of Waylon. It has been an amazing existence, and to hear you tell this story, when so many times he gets overlooked for Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson, understandable because they too were insane, to hear you tell this story was perfect. Not to mention that you ended it on such a beautiful note with his sobriety, not his death. It brought me to tears. Thank you. I will forever be a listener and now a Patreon supporter because you are one of the few that I can confirm does the research and tells the facts in all of your pods. Please keep it going. And again, thank you, rock-a-rola. Tara. Tara, huge. I don't know what to say. I mean, I responded to you personally, but I'll

• 45:26Jake Brennan?

  say it again here. Thank you so much. It's incredible note and very generous of you to say. You didn't have to go out of your way to make us feel validated here. I'm just, I'm happy that we did the Waylon Jennings story justice, that we did the Jennings family justice, and all props to Zeth Lundie who researched and wrote that episode that we produced for you. Happy you dug it. All right, let's play new song, old song, real quick. New song, White Denim. Now, listen, not a new band per se, but a new song by them, Ruby. I love this song. It is fucking great. If you dig that Rod Stewart faces vibe,

• 46:08Jake Brennan?

  you need something to get you stoked about the sun and the burgers on the grill in the backyard, then this is your jam, okay? Ruby by White Denim. Now, old song. I'm looking up at my wall in the studio here and I've got a Rick Dalton poster, Rick Dalton character from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has reminded me of Paul Revere in The Raiders, Mark Lindsay. They take a lot of shit in that movie, okay? But Tarantino is celebrating them. Now, listen, I'm not going to recommend Paul Revere in The Raiders, because you can just go to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack and you can find a couple of great Paul Revere in The Raiders songs. But Paul Revere in The Raiders remind me of another, another band that I do want to recommend. They remind me of a band

• 46:53Jake Brennan?

  from Boston from back in the 60s called The Remains, or as I refer to them, Barry and The Remains. Now, listen, I want you to go to their 1966 self-titled debut album, and it's all great, but the first song you want to play is "Don't Look Back." This song is tremendous. There's a reason that Boston's The Remains were the only band to open for The Beatles on their tour here in America, because they were great, okay? Now, we talked a lot about Boston bands that deserved to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in this episode. Pixies, Jake Iles Band, The Remains deserve to be in the Hall of Fame as well. Graham Parsons just went in,

• 47:34Jake Brennan?

  and Barry Taschian, the singer and frontman for The Remains, after The Remains broke up in the 60s, Barry went on to work with Graham Parsons and was instrumental in working out the harmonies on Graham's excellent album GP with Emmylou Harris. Graham, uh, excuse me, Barry is, uh, as far as I know, he's still around and he's a great guy. I've had the privilege of meeting him a couple of times. He signed my book, uh, that he wrote on his time, about his time on tour with The Beatles, but none of that is why I'm recommending this song. "Don't Look Back" is incredible. And this whole album, the self-titled Remains album, is great. So, check that out. All right. So, that there, recommendations, that's just a taste. You want

• 48:17Jake Brennan?

  more? We've got more recommendations in the Hollywoodland feed with Zeth and I in the Rap Party. This week, we're talking about great songs with the names of actors or actresses in the song title. Sean, uh, why don't you grab a little clip of that conversation and give the people here a taste of what we've got going on over in Hollywoodland?

• 48:37Jake Brennan?

  Okay, I'm gonna start with an obscure one. Okay, great. It's super personal to me and it's Grace Kelly with Wings by Piebald, which is a great Boston. Great pick. People call them an emo band, they're a rock band. But they're part of the whole emo scene and part of the scene that I came up in. And the song is about, I believe, I could be wrong. It's about a girl named Valerie who we all knew and hung out with. And Travis from Piebald was romantically involved with her. And this is the song that's about her. But it's just a great song. It is so, so, so great. And it's just about being arrested by the beauty and grace of, you know, you just see those women in your life where you're just like, oh, my God.

• 49:22Jake Brennan?

  Like, come on, man, stop. Yeah. And it's, I think it's their best song and they have a lot of great songs. And they're still playing, Piebald is still playing, they've been around forever. So Grace Kelly with Wings, it's on the excellently named album. If it weren't for the Venetian blinds, it would be curtains for us all.

• 49:42Jake Brennan?

  Would you, if anybody wants a taste of what, like, mid to late 90s Boston upstairs of the Middle East was like. Yeah. That record will give it to you, it's great. Yeah, yeah. So Grace Kelly with Wings, that's my first one. All right, guys, that is Hollywoodland. Make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland Podcast on Apple Podcasts or the iHeartRadio app. You're gonna get three episodes a week. You're gonna get a classic Hollywood story of true crime and excess. And you're also gonna get mine and Zeth's Hollywood-based music recommendations in the rap party, along with Zeth's excellent take on all things Tinsel Town and true crime. And there is a third piece of content in the Hollywoodland feed as well, the screening room.

• 50:25Jake Brennan?

  And this week, Zeth is preparing us all for Drew Barrymore Week. That's coming out next week. And I bit my tongue on my Drew Barrymore stories. Those are for me and my priest. Okay. I was gonna talk about him in the exclusive section of this after party with Zeth, but I held back and you know, maybe when, uh, maybe there'll be a disgraceland event someday and maybe you'll get a couple cocktails and me and I'll, I'll, I'll talk out of school, but that's just, you know, like I said, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. But Zeth is going there with Drew in different ways this week coming up in Hollywood land. Make sure you're subscribed. All right. Zeth and I are also talking about Quincy Jones and his batshit crazy claims that he made before he died. We're doing that right now in the exclusive section of this here after party. You want to hear it?

• 51:10Jake Brennan?

  Go to disgracelandpod.com to become an all access member of disgraceland. Unlock exclusive content like this conversation coming up, plus ad free listening. Plus, by becoming an all access member on Patreon, you're going to get access to our video podcast. This film should be played loud. This month, we're, we taped it last night. It's our conversation on High Fidelity and all the great music in that film. Just unbelievably cool. What an A plus movie, by the way. Just A plus. I put it up there with the best of the best and it's not just because of the music. That story does not stop. It is non-stop. You're just, you're just locked in. There's constantly something happening that is compelling you to want to know what happens next.

• 51:53Jake Brennan?

  And that's just, I mean, it sounds basic, but that's the definition of great storytelling. Anyways, this film should be played loud. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up so you can cop that, just like you can get access to this coming conversation right here in the exclusive section of the after party. All right. We'll be back right after this.

• 52:21Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Let's recap, shall we? My goodness, we talked about a lot of different artists in this episode. I didn't even mention that's Iggy Pop's birthday today when I'm recording this. So happy birthday, Iggy Pop. Iggy Pop episode. Great episode from the archive. If you want to check that out, that's in there. Talked about Nikki Sixx. We have a Nikki Sixx episode. We also got a Motley Crue episode. Two episodes, I guess you could put it that way on Motley Crue. Those are in the archive as well. Fiona Apple. I mentioned her, but we don't have an episode on her yet. I'm going to start researching that next week. Billy Corgan. Should I do a Billy Corgan episode, a Smashing Pumpkins episode? Something about the shapeshifter, a lot of drugs there with Jimmy Chamberlain and all that. I'm sure I can find a way into the Smashing Pumpkins story. Mentioned Blondie,

• 53:05Jake Brennan?

  Black Sabbath, got an episode on Blondie, got an episode on Black Sabbath, you know all this. Anyways, the archive, that's where it's at. I gotta get out of here. So let's recap. Number one, this week, Depeche Mode, available on your feed right now. Number two, Selena, coming up in the rewind slot this weekend on Sunday. Number three, next week's episode, our brand new episode on the Foo Fighters is gonna have you asking the question, how did Taylor Hawkins die? Hopefully we're getting some answers. Number four, Zeth is gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast. So make sure you are subscribed. You're also gonna get my music recommendations over there in the Hollywoodland Rap Party. Number five, This Film Should Be Played Loud, our video podcast with our new episode on high fidelity is coming next week. Disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access member. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps

• 53:50Jake Brennan?

  us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep your answers coming to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. I'm here. All right. Number seven, don't forget Discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music. No one cares about books. No one cares about records and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. Sometime in May of 1996, Dave Gahan at Depeche Mode overdosed on a speedball at the Sunset Marquee Hotel in Hollywood. And here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, The Crossroads, Bone, Thugs-N-Harmony, last week, one, peak position, one, weeks

• 54:35Jake Brennan?

  on chart, three. Number two, Always Be My Baby, Mariah Carey, last week, two, peak position, one, weeks on chart, eight. Number three, Because You Love Me, from Up Close and Personal, Samir Dion, last week, three, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 12. Number four, Nobody Knows, The Tony Rich Project, last week, five, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 24. Number five, Ironic, last week, four, peak positions, four, weeks on chart, 11. Number six, Give Me One Reason, Tracy Chaplin, last week, peak position, six, weeks on chart, eight. Number seven, You're The One, SWB, last week.

• 55:17Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing.

• 55:23Jake Brennan?

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• 56:05Jake Brennan?

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