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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Nick.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. There's a lot to talk about this week, starting with Trump rally.

• 1:16Speaker 04

  Oh, boy.

• 1:16Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy. Here we go. Audi announced at a Trump rally in Georgia, appears based on the flags behind him, that Audi is going to be building a factory in the United States of America. This is a big deal. Audi is by far the largest European automaker that does not have production in the U.S. You know, BMW does, all the other brands did it years ago. And I always felt it was insane that Audi had not taken that leap, but now they are going to do it. They're going to invest billions and billions of dollars.

• 1:46Speaker 04

  Billions and billions.

• 1:50Doug DeMuro?

  So that Nick can have a cheaper Q8. Nick, are you happy about this?

• 1:53Speaker 05

  I would be happier about it. I would like the Q9, actually. Your review on it was pretty compelling.

• 1:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 05

  I'm very much into that.

• 2:00Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's what they're going to build here, presumably.

• 2:02Speaker 05

  This is a wild spectacle, even within the context of automotive news.

• 2:07Doug DeMuro?

  This is an automaker CEO. This is not the U.S. CEO. This is head of Audi AG in Europe, went to a Trump rally, speaking to all the Trump supporters with his German accent.

• 2:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, there's some optics there. He's already gotten a little bit of flack and pushback, and his retort was basically, if the President of the United States invites you to something, you go. And it is, in terms of earned media, you couldn't get more attention and eyeballs for free than to go do something like this.

• 2:37Doug DeMuro?

  It is nonetheless quite a political show, because Georgia is one of the Senate races in contention right now. I'm sure that that's why President Trump was there. And so he's there saying, hey, Trump has convinced us to, you know, add 4,000 jobs to your economy in Macon, which could use 4,000 jobs. It's an interesting situation.

• 2:53Speaker 05

  Plus, the tariffs have been a hot button item here.

• 2:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what he's not saying is, Trump screwed us, and now we're building this factory.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  Well, and I think to the folks that are maybe thinking of voting differently because the tariffs hurt them, they're now having this news story saying, oh, actually, the tariffs are bringing jobs.

• 3:08Doug DeMuro?

  The truth of the matter is, though, Trump and politics completely aside, Audi's strategic mistake was not building a factory in the United States 25 years ago, when everybody else did. Especially because the United States has doubled down so greatly on SUVs, and BMW and Mercedes-Benz have been able to produce myriad hundreds of thousands of SUVs, primarily for the American market in the South.

• 3:30Speaker 05

  We got an ML320 back in 98, because it was made in Georgia, baby.

• 3:34Doug DeMuro?

  It was made in Alabama, but yes.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  That's the same.

• 3:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's the same to Nick. Everything's deep fried.

• 3:41Speaker 05

  All those southerners. North of Florida, south of South Carolina. You know, one of those states.

• 3:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's not really.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Geography.

• 3:48Doug DeMuro?

  South Carolina is sort of like there and the same. Anyway, the point is, this is happening. It's obviously going to be good news for Audi. Separate from the tariffs, I think this is a big thing. If they're really committed to the U.S. market, selling SUVs, the U.S. market has been a massive, massive market for Audi, especially as Audi has expanded more and more into SUVs. And they haven't really announced exactly what they're going to produce, or but you got to assume Q7, Q8, Q9.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Assume it's not the new Velary.

• 4:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 05

  Are you worried that the trend we're going in, you know, last week we had kickflip electric vehicles, we have Trump rallies, like, it seems like we've gone away from car shows, where you, like, announce the new models, to spectacles, media spectacles. Like, what is next, and how do you top a Trump rally?

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think, for the automakers are here for it. They're like, hey, people are watching our content. This is great.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  But what is next? Like, how do we go further? Is it like Kanye West onstage, like, announcing the next Toyota Sienna?

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  You can't beat kickflips. The Tesla Roadster launch was it.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe. Maybe. This is a pretty decent follow-up, though. This got our attention.

• 4:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 05

  Had they announced this just as a press release, would we even have covered it?

• 4:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. Yeah, no, we would have covered.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 5:00Doug DeMuro?

  We would have covered. It's a big deal. Any automaker investing real money in U.S. production is a big deal. Because these are factories that are going to last for a long time. It obviously shows that they consider U.S. to be a tremendously strategic market, even in a world where that's less and less the case. It is a big, big deal. You do not see a lot of new auto factories built in the United States. It's been a long time. And especially Audi to do it. Now, we're only waiting for Land Rover. Am I right?

• 5:25Speaker 05

  They're coming. They're coming.

• 5:27Doug DeMuro?

  What is, do you think?

• 5:28Speaker 05

  That they have that joint partnership.

• 5:29Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, they're doing it. Yeah. I'm just, I'm discounting that, because I don't believe it's going to happen, and if it does happen, I don't think it's going to last.

• 5:35Speaker 05

  It's not going to last long, yeah. And they're definitely not dropping for Bill on that, so.

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  No, they're doing it the cheap way.

• 5:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  They're hanging out with the most desperate American automaker. I think Fiat already tried that.

• 5:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:45Doug DeMuro?

  And Mercedes-Benz, actually.

• 5:47Speaker 05

  They're going to re-bad your Gladiator and call it a Defender.

• 5:50Doug DeMuro?

  Probably something like that. It'll be really disappointing. By the way, speaking of your ML320, someone sent us something the other day.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 5:56Doug DeMuro?

  Right to our office. Last week, Zach Klatman was here. You weren't. He was. And I talked about how my favorite movie car is the Jurassic Park Lost World ML320. Me and you, this is our favorite movie.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's lost on everyone else. They all are like, what movie even was that? I don't even remember the movie, right? But The Dinosaur Gets Loose in San Diego.

• 6:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:15Doug DeMuro?

  Like, what else do you want from a movie? Right? A T-Rex is destroying San Diego. I mean, this is it, you know? And anyway, so I told Zach that the ML320 Jurassic Park was my favorite movie car, and he said he was going to build me one, which, let's go.

• 6:30Speaker 05

  It would also would.

• 6:31Doug DeMuro?

  But then a man, today, on Amazon, we got this, we got this, and someone sent us an ML320.

• 6:37Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  Lost World movie car, and it says 97 ML320, which, of course, was wrong, this came out in 98, but this probably was from era. Like, they didn't, they didn't even know that at the time.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Let's see it.

• 6:47Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  You know, what Zach didn't appreciate is, it is not going to be an easy build. Like, they did a substantial, we saw it that one year at Pebble Beach, and like, they replaced a lot.

• 6:56Doug DeMuro?

  But you have to assume most of it was foam. Like, you could do a lot of it with pool.

• 6:59Speaker 05

  But I believe they extended the roof, and like, it's not like something you could do over a couple of cold ones, you know?

• 7:04Doug DeMuro?

  You get a sawzall and call it an afternoon. Anyway, it came from Marshall, and I just, you know, thank you so much, Marshall. I, Ryder and Chase and the rest of the pups, too.

• 7:16Speaker 05

  Yes. Did we get to keep this?

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 05

  Is that for you or for me?

• 7:20Doug DeMuro?

  No. What do you mean?

• 7:21Speaker 05

  Who was it addressed to?

• 7:22Doug DeMuro?

  Excuse you. It was addressed to Doug, actually.

• 7:25Speaker 05

  Oh, that's rude.

• 7:25Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so sorry. Do you want it?

• 7:26Speaker 05

  I wasn't even on the pod, so that's fine.

• 7:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, right. You're all upset.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Let's give it to Zach, so he can learn something.

• 7:31Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I'm going to get you one.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  Okay. Deal.

• 7:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next news story, please.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Ah, yes. The Aston Martin Valhalla Spider. Now, we talked about this probably about a month and a half or two months ago. Felt this was coming, and sure enough, here it is, the Valhalla Spider. Ironically, the interesting, it says a top speed of 217 miles an hour, which it can do with the roof off. It's actually faster with the roof off.

• 7:54Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a convertible or like a panel?

• 7:55Speaker 04

  It's like a panel, like, that comes off ultimately. Now, of course, it's like, still the same figure, it's 1,064 horsepower, 811 pound-feet of torque, priced at just over a million dollars. Allegedly, that's kind of what we're speculating the prices. I've been told that they, or read, rather, that they've been largely sold out, which is not a surprise. But I think this, look at that car. I think this looks cool as hell. The Valhalla in general, I think, is cool.

• 8:17Doug DeMuro?

  I drove the Valhalla. My next video is the Valhalla. You're going to see it.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  So this, oh, so you can't tell us what you thought of it?

• 8:23Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'll tell you. It was amazing. It was absolutely amazing. I didn't drive the Spider. I drove the fixed.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  The fixed.

• 8:31Doug DeMuro?

  As we call it. It was incredible. It was so good. Excellent car. I loved the Valkyrie, but I have never driven a car in my life that was more compromised, even when I drove that tuk-tuk that Dana White had in Las Vegas.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  That was pretty cool.

• 8:44Doug DeMuro?

  Rather be in Dana White's tuk-tuk than a Valkyrie if I'm going cross-country, you know what I'm saying? But the Valhalla was incredible, like, smooth, comfortable, easy to drive, but also insanely fast. It looks like a hypercar, which it is. The coupes are cheap for what they are.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  For what they are.

• 8:58Doug DeMuro?

  Which is crazy, because they're like $700,000. But like, if you look at the performance level relative to, you're talking about cars that are $2, $3 million. I've heard the Spider's going to be more, like, twice what a coupe is, but regardless, pretty cool.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  I was wrong about the top, it's a soft top. But with the top on, it's limited to 124 miles an hour.

• 9:14Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  124?

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Go off.

• 9:16Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  So it's faster with the top on.

• 9:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you only buy the car because you want to be move off.

• 9:21Speaker 05

  My, I think, my SLR, it was like, you lost like 5 miles per hour on the top speed, but I don't think it was limited quite that low.

• 9:27Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  Although the Mercy Roadster was limited to like 100, so.

• 9:30Speaker 04

  I'm surprised it was that fast, honestly, with that ridiculous umbrella of a roof that you had. But, no, I think these cars are still relative bargains in their class for what they are.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  They look so cool.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  So cool. We saw a gazillion of them at Car Week.

• 9:43Doug DeMuro?

  I wonder what's going to happen to them on the secondary market? Like, these are, this was one of Aston Martin's most desirable products in a long time. Does this remain valuable, or does this tank like all the other Astons? Is Nick going to be picking one of these up for like $185 in a couple of years?

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Well, I think, like, for this kind of design and performance level, it's like cars cost a lot more, and so I think it's actually valued like perfectly. I don't, we'll see what the market does. I don't suspect it goes down that much on that car, honestly. I mean, what else are you going to get at that level? I mean, look at it. That looks like a $4 million car to me.

• 10:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, it looks like a crazy, crazy hypercar. Nick, would you rather have this or a 765 LT and GMC Typhoon?

• 10:19Speaker 05

  I was just thinking about the McLaren Counterpoint on this, and for once, finally, I think the Aston is more desirable than the McLaren Counterpoint, which is wild.

• 10:29Doug DeMuro?

  So you'd take this, even though the Typhoon, I'd sweeten the deal.

• 10:32Speaker 05

  The Typhoon is a nice sweetener, but I would definitely pick this.

• 10:34Doug DeMuro?

  What about a Grand National?

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Hmm, I think I'm Typhoon over Grand National.

• 10:39Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 10:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know, I know, that's kind of like

• 10:41Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 10:41Speaker 05

  controversial.

• 10:42Doug DeMuro?

  Are you Cyclone over Typhoon?

• 10:43Speaker 05

  I'm more of a truck guy.

• 10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Are you Cyclone over Typhoon?

• 10:46Speaker 05

  Which one's the SUV again?

• 10:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Typhoon was the SUV.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  Yep, Typhoon.

• 10:50Doug DeMuro?

  It was switched. SUV Cyclone? No. Truck Typhoon? No. SUV Typhoon? Do you understand?

• 10:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's a reverse mnemonic, mnemonic.

• 10:59Speaker 05

  Yep, thank you.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  None of it made any sense, but yeah.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  I think it's, it's fun to see Aston finally hitting their stride after just floundering, like, it's not another V8 Vantage, or like, kind of like, they finally realized they needed to go upmarket and stop cheapening the brand and sell these like bespoke looking

• 11:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  It's not a one-off, but it looks like it could have been a one-off.

• 11:20Doug DeMuro?

  And they're reaching the type of people who have legitimate cars. The guy who's Valhalla I reviewed had, has serious cars.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  Right. Well, we, this is what we said a long time ago, was like, if Aston Martin wants, how do you save Aston Martin? It's one of those like topics that we had. And this is what he suggested, and boom, look at that, maybe, maybe this will save.

• 11:37Speaker 05

  It is funny, the three British cars, you have Jaguar who went one direction.

• 11:42Doug DeMuro?

  But seems like it might be okay, thanks to the Ferrari Luchè.

• 11:44Speaker 05

  We'll see.

• 11:45Doug DeMuro?

  He's using his left hand.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  And they went that direction.

• 11:47Speaker 05

  McLaren, that's kind of just staying the course and like, kind of iterating very, then Aston, who was like, all right, we gotta just take a totally different track, but in a thing.

• 11:55Doug DeMuro?

  And Porsche, I think a lot of these automakers are realizing that the people with money are still spending money. And it's, it's easier to go after them, even as a detriment to like the entry level where Porsche used to be. It's easier to go after those people buying the Mission S and the, and the Valhalla, than it is to try to sell more cars to people at a lower level. Aston Martin especially, I mean, we saw DBX was just, they were loaded up at the dealers, they're now cheap to buy used. You don't think about getting one of those?

• 12:19Speaker 05

  What, what's that?

• 12:19Doug DeMuro?

  DBX.

• 12:21Speaker 05

  X or S?

• 12:22Doug DeMuro?

  X.

• 12:22Speaker 05

  X?

• 12:24Doug DeMuro?

  You bought that Kia, you ever?

• 12:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like to have my SUVs be a little less flashy.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Right, the XP8 definitely, well, your big supercharger going, whee!

• 12:33Speaker 05

  I do miss that car.

• 12:35Doug DeMuro?

  DBX is pretty subtle if you get the right color.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think if I were to do a super SUV, highly depreciated, the Bentayga.

• 12:40Doug DeMuro?

  We pulled that, Ken, pull up DBX results, we sold one recently.

• 12:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're getting there, they're getting there. So are Bentaygas, though.

• 12:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Bentaygas worries me a little more, they're a little older.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Tayg is, seventy-two, five.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:51Doug DeMuro?

  For this 1913 edition.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  But look at the, look at the subtle, this one. That's pretty nice. This one's like a dark, very dark green over a tan.

• 12:59Doug DeMuro?

  You wrap the acid green. This has the DB elegance pack, so consider that.

• 13:05Doug DeMuro?

  I actually like the DBX, it's more athletic than you'd think.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  It's a pretty good car, it's just, it's just they were very expensive new.

• 13:10Doug DeMuro?

  Very expensive new, so we're still waiting. But I mean, this is a four-year-old car for seventy-two thousand.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:15Doug DeMuro?

  And this was

• 13:16Speaker 05

  This is one where I worry about Aston's build quality, though. Versus Bentley, you're like, okay, I can like put my backcom cable in it and take it to pure motorsports and have them, it's the same four-liter V8 in every Audi, VW product.

• 13:27Doug DeMuro?

  This is an AMG engine, you know?

• 13:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, but Aston Martin touched it. You know what I mean?

• 13:33Doug DeMuro?

  This last week, as I do often, as I do at least once a year, I went down a Veyron rabbit hole. And I, just, just to talk myself out of it, and I always do.

• 13:45Doug DeMuro?

  Because I start looking at ownership costs, and those Bentleys are the same. Like, that, that company built all those cars at that time, and they put the highest level of technology in, and the highest level of luxury, and those cars are absolute trash to own now.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  The Ayrage is still my only automotive regret.

• 14:03Doug DeMuro?

  The Bentleys are cheap because of it, I mean, look at this. Here's a spur we sold for ten United States. But the Veyrons are expensive, and you still gotta maintain that at that level. And maintaining a Bentley from this era at that level is unbelievably hard.

• 14:17Speaker 05

  Maybe, I, I watch a lot of Matt Armstrong videos, and it doesn't look that hard. I mean, in an hour, he's knocking it out, he's got an A3 airbag, and he's got like

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Only against Matt, but like, Sretton from M539 Restorations has a flying spur. Man, I am terrified.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Also, I'm just saying, we could handle a Vey. And at least with the Vey, the juice is worth the squeeze. A Bentley Continental GT, it ain't worth the squeeze.

• 14:41Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's not. I'm telling you, we cannot handle a Vey. I will say, we are benefited by having one of the tire changing machines here in Southern California. Remember, there's only two on the planet. The other one is at the factory. So if you're in Asia, sorry. But we cannot handle a Vey. I've learned that every time I go down the rabbit hole, because they're not crazy expensive for what they are, and I go down the rabbit hole, I'm like, should I get a Vey? And every time I look into it, I remember, no, no, I shouldn't get a Vey. And that's what the Bentley's from this era, and that's what your Bentayga will be, so you should get a DBX.

• 15:10Speaker 05

  I think now that the Ford GT heritage is kind of like surpassing the Veyron in terms of price.

• 15:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 15:16Speaker 05

  We should be looking at Vey's.

• 15:17Doug DeMuro?

  I, the car market is interesting right now. There are some cars that are unbelievably expensive for what they are.

• 15:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:24Doug DeMuro?

  And there are some that aren't.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, there, there really are some like that, you know?

• 15:27Doug DeMuro?

  That car is, I, I don't know if that car is unbelievably expensive for what it is, I think that car is sort of settling into where it belongs. Personally, when you look at the fact that there, that like versions of special cars are selling for six hundred, seven hundred, eight hundred, I think Ford GTs are right, correctly priced, if not still maybe a little cheap. I think that Countaches are way cheap. I think that Veyrons are way cheap.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I agree.

• 15:50Doug DeMuro?

  Veyron at a million five, which you can buy them all day long. That was, our generation thought nothing was cooler.

• 15:57Speaker 05

  Still do.

• 15:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You want to take one of the Nürburgring.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  I do, I do.

• 16:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. I just think, I know it's expensive to own, and that's why they're cheap, and that's why Countaches are cheap also, but like, the Veyron is the coolest car you can buy for a million five.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  It was such a quantum leap forward, it's the Concorde of our generation.

• 16:13Doug DeMuro?

  It is the Concorde of our, and you can own it, you can purchase it, like a human being could.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Can't buy a Concorde, you know? The market's not great on those, Plains and Bids doesn't have any of those.

• 16:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I know.

• 16:23Speaker 05

  Because it's such a special car, it is worth that level of effort, versus a Continental GT or Bentayga is not.

• 16:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 05

  And that, that is the underlying point here.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  But it's still an incredible, if you're, it's such an inconvenience to own. Like, it's so hard, from everything we've read and talked about, like, I mean, yes, the Countach is hard, but like, it's a car, a car you fix with a hose pipe.

• 16:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Vey's hard.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  The Vey, so many computers, so many delicate components, so much stuff's not available.

• 16:47Doug DeMuro?

  When I went to the Chiron launch, they, one of the first things they said to me was, this car is way easier to own than the Veyron. Like, they clearly were sensitive to the fact that the car was being dogged by this reputation, and they wanted to make sure that people knew that the Chiron was not quite like that.

• 17:01Speaker 05

  But Matt Armstrong bought a place in Miami.

• 17:04Doug DeMuro?

  Nick.

• 17:04Speaker 05

  He's fixing them, it takes him an hour. Have you ever watched an episode, maybe an hour and a half?

• 17:08Doug DeMuro?

  You are not Matt Armstrong, you destroyed your Bentley trying to replace the steering wheel.

• 17:12Speaker 05

  I'm pretty sure, like, between you and Tavarish, I could find someone to put me in touch. Like, I wouldn't do it, I would say

• 17:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I could put you in touch with him, but I'm not, that doesn't, that doesn't fix your car. He's not maintaining your car, he's not like an Bugatti specialist.

• 17:25Speaker 05

  Hey mate, hey bloke, like, come fix me a Veyron, like, however you say the British. Ken does the accent, it's not me.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  No, it's like, that's like Boddle and Dracula, come fix my Veyron.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  Don't know the ship on the bar, man.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Mash knows can you offend in 30 seconds?

• 17:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, let's move on to the next news story, please. We got very far off track.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  The last part that's interesting about this is, so Audi did a Trump rally, they are announcing this at the Las Vegas Concorde. So, again, back in 97 slash 98, when the ML320 was in Jurassic Park, all of the cars, especially the convertibles, were announced at auto shows. LA Auto Show was where you announced all your convertibles. Now that those have kind of fizzled out, we're going to concours, but that is the right audience. The Las Vegas Concorde audience is who's buying these Valhalla spiders.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know who's in charge of that decision, but they called it, right?

• 18:14Doug DeMuro?

  That's an interesting point, like, maybe, maybe the, the automaker announcements, instead of at the LA Auto Show, should become more targeted. And the Vegas concours, and Audrain, and you know, the one in Florida.

• 18:25Speaker 05

  The Luchè is gonna be the next Apple WDC developer event, you know, they're gonna do the new iPhone and whatever that is.

• 18:31Doug DeMuro?

  The Luchè is an abomination.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  Let's, just every podcast dedicate 10 minutes towards how much we need.

• 18:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, move on to the next story, please.

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• 19:50Speaker 04

  Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of the Autozone Rescue. In case you missed it, we're teaming up with Autozone and their quality parts to rescue America's supercar, the first-gen Dodge Viper. We just installed a new Duralast map sensor from Autozone, and now we're off to the studio. Holy torque, Batman. We are rolling, power steering might need a little bit of work. Yeah, the steering is definitely heavy, you gotta keep moving, otherwise it's gonna be a bit of a challenge. The attention that this thing is getting, I don't think it's the good kind. Oh my God, get me back to the office as soon as possible. Oh my God, so weak. We made it back to the studio, power steering wasn't working great. I could hear the pump whining when we returned full lock to get into this spot.

• 20:32Speaker 04

  But, we're here, let's look at the Viper, make a list, and then make a run to Autozone. First things first, power steering, then we're doing brakes, we'll do a full fluid change, and then get the car ready for paint, so we can bring it back to its former glory. Time for a shop spree.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Of course, Autozone has this

• 20:51Doug DeMuro?

  Specific top quality power steering pump that fits the Viper perfectly. But we're going to need a special tool to install the pulley. Autozone has a free loan to tool program that lets us borrow what we need right there. Now that we have the right tool and the perfect part, stick around next week to see how we tackle the install.

• 21:07Speaker 00

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• 21:37Doug DeMuro?

  New Ranger update. Ranger update is small, but I do want to mention it because it's important. The Ranger is ditching the 2.7 liter turbo V6 that it's had and replacing with a 3.0 liter turbo V6. I mentioned this, I love the Ranger. I think the Ranger is the best midsize pickup truck. But I bring this up also because the F-150 and Bronco are doing the same thing. And this is a disappointing thing for you because you're obsessed with the Bronco Philson for reasons I do not understand. One of the cool things about the Philson was that it had the Raptor motor.

• 22:04Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 22:05Doug DeMuro?

  Now all Broncos have.

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 22:07Doug DeMuro?

  Now we know why they put it in only the Philson. Well, it's because the plan was to put them in all the Broncos beginning this year. So it's detuned, obviously, from what the Raptor has. And remember, there is a Ranger Raptor with over 400 horsepower. It's incredible.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 22:21Doug DeMuro?

  But all of these cars are getting a slight boost in displacement, a slight boost in power, and a slight boost in torque, which is nice.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  The real reason we're covering this is that Filippo bought me dinner on Monday.

• 22:32Doug DeMuro?

  Ford makes a great automobile, folks.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  Keep that expense report going. All right. Just saying.

• 22:40Speaker 05

  We're willing to get into trim levels, minor distinctions. If you update your carplay system, we're here for it.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  I want to say, separate from Filippo, I think the Ranger is the best midsize truck. Separate from Filippo. Pre-Filippo, I thought that. Post-Filippo, I need maybe I need to drive them all again. Maybe make a different decision.

• 22:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:56Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe see if Filippo buys me dinner.

• 22:58Speaker 05

  Let's just say, three tacos from Pesto, I'm persuadable.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  There was also a group of eight of us and it was his birthday, so it wasn't just Filippo.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  And he is going to invoice us each separately for the exact penny amount that we spent.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Not you. He's not invoicing.

• 23:12Doug DeMuro?

  Every so often, we have dinner with Filippo and you maybe remember Filippo. He's used to be on this podcast, but unfortunately, he's no longer with us. But anyway.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  He's living well. He's just fine.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  He's with Ford. But anyway, we have dinner with Filippo. He pays every week. But then, every month or two, he sends an itemized Microsoft Excel document showing exactly to the penny what we owe him.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  Which is pretty nice. I think he's playing a points game. Like, he's trying to get all the cash back rewards, you know, but.

• 23:40Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  He is kind of hurting himself because he's floating the money. Like, he's an interest-free loan.

• 23:45Doug DeMuro?

  I've owed him for two months and I'm not going to pay him because he crashed my car, remember?

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:49Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not going to pay him next. He doesn't know that yet. I guarantee he no longer watches this podcast.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm with you on that one. He might get slacked about this particular segment though.

• 23:58Doug DeMuro?

  He's off Slack. We kicked him off Slack last week.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  He's on Teams now.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  General Motors Hybrids. Okay. General Motors has, on a earnings call, Mary Barra, CEO of General Motors, announced they're going to pivot towards hybrids. After pivoting towards EVs, like everybody did, obviously EVs went away.

• 24:13Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 24:14Doug DeMuro?

  Thanks to your man, the president, the tax credit is gone. Nobody wants EVs anymore. Hybrids are back and now GM is pivoting back towards.

• 24:23Speaker 05

  They're pivoting fast. Like, they're trying to get this in 27 models.

• 24:26Doug DeMuro?

  27 models, including their SUVs. Now, I only really wanted to talk about this because I will never forget. I was on the launch of the GMC Acadia, which was, they held in Washington, DC in, this may have been 2016, 17. The GMC Acadia, which was in its time. And I remember the Highlander had a hybrid and it was like their chief competitor. And I said to the GM guy, the GMC guy, you're going to do a hybrid? And he literally burst out laughing.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  Well, you have to remember, remember GM's early attempt at hybrids, the Escalade Hybrid? It got you like one or two extra miles per gallon and then it broke constantly. So like, GM in particular, like, has had a very bad history with hybrids.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota was making high-quality Highlander hybrids at that time.

• 25:11Speaker 05

  They were right all along.

• 25:13Doug DeMuro?

  And they were right all along, is what we've learned. But Toyota was selling them at sticker with waiting lists. Those RX hybrids for 10 years were on waiting lists.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  I know.

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  And I asked the GMC, I will never forget, he was like, of course we're not going to make a hybrid. It's like, and now 10 years later, after Doug posited the question as a future, as a.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Oh, you're taking credit.

• 25:32Doug DeMuro?

  Future seer. I'm not taking credit. They should have listened to me back then. It was insane that they didn't. This company can't figure it out.

• 25:39Speaker 05

  You gave them the idea of hybrid and then off-road vehicles and they've been a little slow to adopt them.

• 25:44Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't give them the hybrid idea, but I wish that they had listened to me 10 years ago. And by me, I mean Toyota, who came out with a hybrid Highlander in like 2006.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, it only took these guys 25 years to get there.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Better late than never.

• 25:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Anyway, hybrids, you now interested?

• 26:01Speaker 05

  Um.

• 26:02Doug DeMuro?

  You want to tell us about your Kia?

• 26:03Speaker 05

  There's not a, what's their most compelling? I mean, I guess they have that awful 6.2 in the Tahoe, which would have been what I would have gone with.

• 26:09Doug DeMuro?

  No, it would be.

• 26:10Speaker 05

  Adding a hybrid on top of that would be kind of scary.

• 26:13Doug DeMuro?

  It'll be in the Traverse and the, and they'll do pickup hybrids.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  I'm not, I think a Traverse is a worse product than a Sorento.

• 26:20Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us, are you able to discuss your Sorento or can you not comment on pending litigation?

• 26:25Speaker 05

  I did have to open a Kia customer care ticket. Our screen's bricked. So we're 2,000 miles in and we lost all screens. And the dealer's solution was to just deal with it and drive it and that they had no ETA on it. So they called Kia and Kia suddenly found one and then the next day it was getting installed. They replaced it right before a big road trip and either forgot to plug in the reverse camera or gave us a screen that wasn't compatible. So we still are missing some features.

• 26:52Doug DeMuro?

  Which is ironic because actually the reverse camera is probably the primary thing that Kia needs to make sure is working on that car because it's federally.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  It's safety. Yeah. So it's been a little dicey, but I'm not sure Traverse would have been the right. I think in hindsight, I'm still Team Kia there.

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  Are you kidding?

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Look at that product. Look at it. I'd have to look at it. It'd be in my driveway. My garage is taken for, people would drive by and see a Traverse and think, oh, that guy has a rental car.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, then you open the garage and a SLR or a Mercy pulls up. Give me a break.

• 27:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but what do you think they think when they see a Kia Sorento?

• 27:25Speaker 05

  I think they think that's a pragmatic, reasonable human and a nice color.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I think when they see a Traverse? I think they think when they see a Traverse, that is a red-blooded American. Pull up, see if Cars and Bids has sold a Traverse or an Acadia.

• 27:37Doug DeMuro?

  If we haven't, that's our own problem. That's Cars and Bids' problem.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Nope. You've got a problem. Let me call up Dan, my doppelganger.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  One C there.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  But it does make a difference.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  Oh, boy.

• 27:48Doug DeMuro?

  What about a Saturn Outlook?

• 27:51Speaker 05

  We're getting worse.

• 27:52Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, we're going to remedy this. Cars and Bids, if you have a nice Traverse and you don't, sell it on Cars.

• 28:02Doug DeMuro?

  There isn't one. Actually, no, when that car came out, it was pretty good. It had a big motor, big 3.6 V6. You would have been happy with it at the time.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  Hmm, maybe. I do like the old Denali's, like the early 2000s Denali's, the early ones. That's more my jam.

• 28:16Doug DeMuro?

  What about the Enclave? That's like kind of down here.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  Enclave? No way. Even a Buick? No way.

• 28:21Doug DeMuro?

  Who do you think's buying Buick? People like him?

• 28:23Speaker 04

  Not, not him. He's ridiculous.

• 28:25Doug DeMuro?

  Well, regardless, now you will that they have hybrids.

• 28:29Speaker 05

  H2SUT or death. If I have to go for a GM product.

• 28:33Doug DeMuro?

  What if it was a hybrid H2SUT? Would you pursue that?

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, probably.

• 28:37Doug DeMuro?

  Well, there's an electric H Hummer pickup right now, so great news, Nick.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  I did get to ride in one over the weekend. It was kind of fun.

• 28:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah? You interested? The roof comes off.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Uh, it's a bit much.

• 28:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's a bit much.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  It's a bit much.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Even for you.

• 28:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, even for me.

• 28:49Speaker 06

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• 30:40Doug DeMuro?

  All right, give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Speaking of GM products.

• 30:45Doug DeMuro?

  Did you read about this?

• 30:46Speaker 05

  I saw the headline, which is $239,000 buys you a really special edition Escalade.

• 30:54Doug DeMuro?

  So there's a, there's a, there's a anniversary edition Escalade. It's like commemorates 125 years of Cadillac. Okay? Not 125 years of the Escalade.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Don't get it confused.

• 31:06Doug DeMuro?

  The Escalade was not on sale in 1907 or whatever. But Cadillac was. And to commemorate this incredible, momentous experience, they are making a 252-unit production run to commemorate 125. And the reason for that is some of the numbers are the same. Now.

• 31:29Doug DeMuro?

  Now, the interesting thing about the car is that it costs $239,000.

• 31:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:37Doug DeMuro?

  $239,000.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  That's about a hundred grand more than I would expect.

• 31:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's based on the Escalade V.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 31:43Doug DeMuro?

  So that's nice.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  Which I assume is around a 140 sticker?

• 31:46Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I can't remember what the Escalade V cost, but regardless, it's gonna be cool. It's gonna be, uh, it's gonna be white and blue interior stitching accents. You're gonna be able to tell people for the rest of your life that you were there to celebrate Cadillac's 125th birthday. God knows if they sell these, Cadillac will be celebrating.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  Right. I take it back. So the standard pricing for an Escalade V is between 170 and 180, which wow. I didn't realize that it crept up that much.

• 32:14Doug DeMuro?

  If Cadillac sells out these cars at $60 million, 252 cars at $239,000, $60 million selling these, these cynical anniversary edition Escalades.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  I feel like there might be some money on the hood of these.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  This is what's gonna pay for the failure of the Celestiq right here. They're gonna do it right here.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  It is surprising that they didn't use a Celestiq as the tribute car here.

• 32:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, let me tell you something. If you want a 125th anniversary Celestiq, they will make that for you.

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Well, I also imagine you couldn't increase the price on that even more.

• 32:47Doug DeMuro?

  You know, like that would be. Blue stitching, they can handle that.

• 32:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, and they'll put whatever 60th anniversary badging you want on it, and they'll give you a nice hefty discount, $100,000 off.

• 32:57Speaker 05

  What everyone's been saying is that you can do like basically paint a sample Escalade, in part because the Celestiq has not been as popular. So they have all these like bespoke capabilities and they wanna use it on something. So they've been transferring that to the Escalade.

• 33:09Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you a question. 60 million bucks retail, if they sell them all at retail, which obviously they won't, but, uh, what do you think the cost is? 20 million? Like 15? They're making these on full-size pickup truck platforms.

• 33:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:21Doug DeMuro?

  Like, you know, like the Escalades cost them nothing to make. Escalade must be the most profitable car in the history of the auto industry.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  Well, and flipped another way, it's 60 grand more than the equivalent version. And what you were getting here is maybe some nice trim up. Like it's not a different model. It is a nice package.

• 33:40Doug DeMuro?

  The Escalade is a 1500 Silverado with vinyl seats, which is a, still a $28,000 car, you know?

• 33:47Speaker 05

  But do you think they're looking at Porsche and they're looking at Ferrari and saying, those guys can charge 15 grand for like a carbon fiber windshield washer cover?

• 33:54Doug DeMuro?

  Which Chevy has really tried to push more with the C8, and I think they've been relatively successful. They've ratcheted up pricing, they've ratcheted up what you can do, and it's been successful. And maybe they're seeing people buying GLS Mybox and they're like, hell, let's do an anniversary dish with some blue stitching and charge 240. I'll tell you something, Nick. One of these shows up in your neighborhood, your Kia ain't looking so cool anymore.

• 34:11Speaker 05

  No, I'm okay with that.

• 34:12Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe you reverse into it by accident because you can't see it, you know what I'm saying?

• 34:17Speaker 05

  I'll let you say it. 240, there's a lot of cars on my list that I'm, I'm pursuing.

• 34:21Doug DeMuro?

  What did you get first?

• 34:23Speaker 05

  A Gallardo Supra Leggera.

• 34:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, do you have one of those?

• 34:26Speaker 05

  I do. And I paid less. So, you know, like what do you?

• 34:30Doug DeMuro?

  This has more power, by far, by the way.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, but what's more fun to drive?

• 34:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, uh, the Gallardo.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Don't you think you would rather just get like the base 6.2 Tahoe and then have like 140 grand left over to replace the engine?

• 34:46Doug DeMuro?

  Five times.

• 34:46Speaker 05

  Five times.

• 34:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which is more likely to get.

• 34:48Speaker 05

  Or, or you get five of them and that way when one breaks, you drop it off at the dealer, then you drive it back up. But then when that one breaks, you drop that one off.

• 34:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's why the Presidential Motorcade has so many vehicles. They're all powered by the 6.2 GM engine. They need 14 cars.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  You need a backup for your backup.

• 35:02Doug DeMuro?

  They, they, a whole team runs into the next one.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  I love the idea of like the, uh, like the Secret Service is piling around the cars that pulls over to sign. They all get out and the President just goes to the next one.

• 35:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a clown car kind of situation.

• 35:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Uh, what do you think's easier to maintain? A 6.2 or a Veyron?

• 35:19Speaker 05

  Matt Armstrong, which one's he picking to, to refurb next?

• 35:22Doug DeMuro?

  Matt Armstrong should, Matt Armstrong should, uh, should do, we're doing GMC Yukon repairs. We're doing, we're doing 100 of them in this hour of YouTube content.

• 35:31Speaker 05

  It would be a very scalable niche for him.

• 35:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, those are all still under warranty.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  GM's doing it themselves.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  But they don't have a fix.

• 35:38Doug DeMuro?

  They don't even need, what do you mean? Their fix is put a new engine in.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's the same engine.

• 35:42Doug DeMuro?

  Their fix is the following. Put a new engine in and just hope that that one lasts the warranty period. To God.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  It, it's kinda like my Kia fix here. Like, we're gonna put another screen in, it's probably gonna fail again, but like, we'll see in a couple of months.

• 35:54Doug DeMuro?

  And hope that their regulator doesn't sue them. Uh, okay, this is a great car. You should buy it. We got Porsche.

• 36:01Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's favorite.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  You want me to talk about this?

• 36:03Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche made a lot of money this year. Porsche made a lot of money this year. They claim they made a lot of money this year. Their profits are back to something like 1.75 billion euro.

• 36:12Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 36:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's a big deal.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  From like 40 or 60 million the previous year. It was like a rounding error.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  Last year's profits were essentially a rounding error.

• 36:19Speaker 05

  90 million.

• 36:19Doug DeMuro?

  To a company whose, you know, annual revenue is probably multi-multi-billion, only make 90 million. It's basically like you're just making the company go for practice at that point.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Which is interesting because their earnings report basically talked about how it was mostly like getting away from being reliant on China and China not hitting their balance sheet as much, which.

• 36:36Doug DeMuro?

  I was, it was interesting to see them be so kind of naked about the fact that like they don't, they're not like, they're out trying to, they couldn't make it happen in China and they're just gonna walk away.

• 36:44Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 36:44Doug DeMuro?

  More or less walk away from that. They, they can't compete.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  But it makes sense because we've all been talking about how Porsche is like on fire. Their models are amazing. Everyone wants them. It's like a tulip-sized bubble on getting the new GT3. And yet they're barely making any money and it never really made sense, other than clearly the China problem was so big that it was dragging down the whole.

• 37:03Doug DeMuro?

  They devoted last year, and I assume one of the reasons that this all happened is that last year they devoted an enormous amount of resources to develop electric cars that weren't interesting to anybody. And I think that that's probably the year that they took all those, what were essentially expenses. Um, and they're, they're changing and retolling. They literally are quoted as saying like, we didn't have gas McCons where people wanted gas McCons, like they're trying to figure it all out now. If you had talked to me, I would have told you, don't get rid of the gas McCon and make a GMC Acadia hybrid.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Right. I'm sure they would have loved that advice coming from you, a former employee. Yeah, yeah. You probably know the right people there.

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  No.

• 37:38Doug DeMuro?

  All those decisions remained in Germany. We just kinda screwed around.

• 37:41Speaker 05

  Right. You have to remember, you can only ascend so high working for the US. You want to work for Porsche, you have to be kind of German.

• 37:46Doug DeMuro?

  One time I was able to sit in on the most important decision-making that the product planners ever did. We volume planned options. And what that entailed was, we, I went, they said, they invited me, do you wanna come to this? Cause they knew I was into this stuff. And I was like, all right. So I sat in with the three product planners for like an afternoon. And it was like, okay, what percentage of Cayenne's you think will be ordered with tow hitches? And we had to give them a percent. And then that's the number of options that they would order. Um, and that was, that was the input that the American market got.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  And we don't know how to tow things here, you know?

• 38:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, it was every option. Like tow hitches, I remember because tow hitches was one you really couldn't get wrong because like retrofitting a tow hitch was very difficult. So you really had to make sure that percentage was correct. So you'd look at like Range Rover Sports and how were they doing?

• 38:32Speaker 05

  But isn't it ironic now Porsche people are obsessed with the options and the spec and all that? Like it ended up being a prophecy.

• 38:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that was an important, now that I look at it, that was an important job.

• 38:41Speaker 05

  Now people are paying as much for the options as they used to pay for the cars. Like it's pretty easy to put 996, base 996 money in options onto a GT3.

• 38:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:51Doug DeMuro?

  You ever think about getting a new GT3?

• 38:53Speaker 05

  No.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next news story, please.

• 38:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that's the end. Oh my gosh, Nick, the end of the news stories. Uh, thankfully there is an enormous amount of talk cars today. Uh, the talk car segment, of course, is brought to you by Jurassic Park 2, The Lost World.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Good call.

• 39:13Doug DeMuro?

  You too can see it. Now, I, I wanna say, if you're watching the movie to see the T-Rex take over San Diego, the ML320 is not in that part. Remember, the ML320 then goes to the island.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 39:23Doug DeMuro?

  At that part, he's driving around in like a Thunderbird. You remember that?

• 39:26Speaker 05

  What?

• 39:26Doug DeMuro?

  He had like the baby dinosaur in the Thunderbird convertible or whatever. It was some sort of old car. I don't, it's been years since I've seen the movie.

• 39:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would love to see an exhibit of all the, I mean, cause the Wrangler was cool, the Explorer was cool, the ML320 obviously peak, but they had all, they did some good car casting.

• 39:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, uh, Nick, I wanna talk, first I wanna talk about the Land Cruiser FJ. Can you go to the next slide? No. You know about this?

• 39:51Speaker 05

  No.

• 39:52Doug DeMuro?

  In global, in global markets, Toyota sells this.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 39:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's called the Land Cruiser FJ and it's like a Jeep Renegade sized.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Or like a, it kinda reminds me of the Bronco Sport, like they took the cool box.

• 40:02Doug DeMuro?

  Smaller than that. It's like a subcompact, whereas the Bronco Sport's like a compact.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  It does look small.

• 40:05Doug DeMuro?

  You believe we're not getting this?

• 40:06Speaker 05

  No, I can't believe that, honestly. It would do well.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  It would do really well here. Like the, it's, it's, yeah, Jeep Renegade size. Like it's a, it's a little, little.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:14Doug DeMuro?

  But like, it's cool. Come on, you already are making this thing. Send it over here. We would buy it. People who think they're cool and, and live in the city would buy this car. I, being one of them.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I wouldn't purchase it. I would hope that others would.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  I, I think, I think it would find a, a demographic for sure.

• 40:30Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't you surprised they're making a Land Cruiser variant and not offering it in the United States?

• 40:34Speaker 05

  Toyota does this with a lot of their SUVs where like Americans love and are obsessed with the SUVs, and yet they don't give us their full SUV portfolio like the real Land Cruiser. Um, we get the kind of fake one.

• 40:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  But like, don't you think that's kinda bizarre? Like, like we are a market that just literally can't get enough SUVs.

• 40:50Doug DeMuro?

  I think it is very, very unusual that all, that various automakers do that. Jeep in Europe sells like five other SUVs that they don't sell in the States.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  I saw, I was in London last week and I saw an electric Explorer. And it's also like, why don't we have that here? And I texted Filippo and he just kinda mumbled.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  I can confirm or deny if we will have that. He mumbled via text?

• 41:13Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 41:14Doug DeMuro?

  He does kind of.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  It was just like the dot, dot, dot, and then it was, went away. It was just like the text mumble.

• 41:20Doug DeMuro?

  He's like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna deal with this.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I don't.

• 41:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Land Cruiser FJ, Nick, come on. This is a first car for your daughter.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  It could be. I, I'm not in charge of Toyota's product lineup, so I'm, there's not a lot I can do to help here.

• 41:34Doug DeMuro?

  It, it, they sold it, it was in the Philippine market first. And by the way, it's 160 horsepower four-cylinder. It's not like some weird diesel with 87 horsepower that wouldn't make it in the US. This could happen.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  You should really consider this.

• 41:46Doug DeMuro?

  This could happen.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  It's cool. I can see.

• 41:48Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota, if you're listening, for God's sake, give us what we want. A new Mark IV Supra.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, that's my.

• 41:58Speaker 05

  We're getting that thing with the, the long hood.

• 42:01Doug DeMuro?

  The GRGT, but it's a tip. I don't want tip.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, fair.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  Farah, who will be on the podcast.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Willie.

• 42:07Doug DeMuro?

  Here in a couple of weeks with you.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  With me?

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  You, me and Farah are gonna pot.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Also, I hear we have a guest next week?

• 42:13Doug DeMuro?

  We got Ed Bolian next week. More on that in the question section, but we got Ed Bolian coming on next week.

• 42:17Speaker 05

  I'm pumped for that.

• 42:18Doug DeMuro?

  All right. We all have a lot to say to Ed Bolian.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  I'm gonna lowball him so hard.

• 42:24Doug DeMuro?

  Is he selling anything?

• 42:26Speaker 05

  It's Ed Bolian.

• 42:29Speaker 05

  Everything's for sale, you know what I mean?

• 42:31Doug DeMuro?

  You're just gonna lowball him.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless of whether he-

• 42:34Speaker 04

  What do you go, what do you got? And then you're just gonna hit him?

• 42:37Speaker 05

  Game recognizes game. Actually, we were talking the other night at dinner, that Filippo sponsored dinner, where I really wanna buy a Phantom just so that I can drive around and lowball people at Facebook Marketplace, showing up in that. I wanna get out of that and then offer people a third of their asking price for something.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Some people aspire to be doctors, others astronauts. He aspires to go and lowball people.

• 42:57Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's like, I wanna go try to pick up a used PS2 and they're asking 20 bucks and I can't do more than 12.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 43:02Doug DeMuro?

  In my Phantom.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  I got 12 cash today, right now.

• 43:04Doug DeMuro?

  I have 12 on me.

• 43:06Speaker 05

  Do you know how expensive petrol is right now?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Petrol.

• 43:10Doug DeMuro?

  Ed Bolion will be here. I'm really excited for you for that experience.

• 43:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know, Ed and I go way back. We were childhood friends.

• 43:16Speaker 05

  I've been to his house many times.

• 43:20Speaker 05

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• 44:05Speaker 05

  Reapply once a month and they stay protected and looking brand new. Mothers is the official car care of Cars and Bits. Head to mothers.com, give it that mothers love, and find the new lens kit.

• 44:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, can you go back to the previous slide? Nick, let's talk about your Gallardo Superleggera. You know, actually, quickly go to that next slide.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sitting in the office. Have you seen this picture?

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Just recently.

• 44:25Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sitting in the office and Ryan Lopez, I'm talking to Ryan Lopez about just utter BS.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:31Doug DeMuro?

  And he's like, it's like that time I saw Carrera GT the other day. I'm like, what?

• 44:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:35Doug DeMuro?

  He goes, yeah, I saw Carrera GT like two weeks ago. What do you mean, what? And he has a picture of it. Why didn't you send me this picture? Are you kidding? You saw Carrera GT randomly on the street? He's like, yeah, of course.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  Believe this.

• 44:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's insane behavior. If you ever see a Carrera GT at a stoplight next to a GMC Sierra, you better send me a picture.

• 44:57Speaker 05

  Oh, I sent every spot. I sent you a Ford GT on Sunday.

• 45:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  A yellow, the Bumblebee.

• 45:02Doug DeMuro?

  Bumblebee.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  That was a good one.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was a pretty decent spot.

• 45:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, Ryan Lopez saw-

• 45:07Speaker 05

  I got to spend, speaking of the segue to the next one, so Ryan and I went on a photo shoot with the Superleggera on Saturday, I believe it was.

• 45:15Doug DeMuro?

  Is this-

• 45:15Speaker 05

  Sunday.

• 45:15Doug DeMuro?

  Photo from that photo shoot?

• 45:16Speaker 05

  We had like a nice lovely dinner, probably spent six hours. I got to go to his house. He's got-

• 45:21Doug DeMuro?

  You saw Ryan Lopez's lair?

• 45:22Speaker 04

  You saw the HVAC?

• 45:24Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us about Ryan Lopez's lair.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  Okay, so there's-

• 45:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  You walk in.

• 45:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  Alright, there's mood lighting. So he doesn't have like normal lights, there's like neon strips.

• 45:31Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh.

• 45:32Speaker 05

  And then, you know how he has that like smooth talking voice?

• 45:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 05

  So like when I tell Siri to do something or Alexa, I go, "Alexa!" I like yell at it in a belligerent fashion. He's like, "Alexa, baby." And then like, he put on like the kinda music that I felt was a little seductive.

• 45:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  And I got to sit down on his couch.

• 45:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 45:49Speaker 05

  He was doing some photo editing.

• 45:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  And like the mood, like I started to get relaxed, like, I could see-

• 45:55Doug DeMuro?

  You could see how it happened.

• 45:56Speaker 05

  I could see how the smoke show factory worked.

• 45:58Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Did he shoot this photo, Ryan Lopez?

• 46:00Speaker 05

  He took a ton of photos.

• 46:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  And we also got to drive up the Coronado Bridge. I let Ryan drive it on the way back. It is, so the straight pipe car, I'm still like very on the fence of what to do with this. So it is not just straight piped, it is called the megaphone setup. It is engineered to be as loud as humanly possible. The 5-liter V10 is already known for being like a pretty loud engine. So you're going over that bridge, which is kind of out of focus there intentionally, and it's- The sound bounces off the walls in a way that is like, like I think the military base there on Coronado was like on alert. Like they could hear the car, like, are we under attack?

• 46:38Speaker 04

  Police like sit at the bottom of that bridge.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Constant.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  And it's shooting flames.

• 46:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 05

  I had now multiple videos of like the fireballs coming out, the sound reverberating. It is so dramatic and so fun.

• 46:49Doug DeMuro?

  So what is your plan? You know, I gotta tell you, Nick, I know a lot of guys who were shooting flames from their car when they were in their twenties, but like became dads and now drive Kia Sorentos. You're like still doing that. You're still getting state ref.

• 47:01Speaker 05

  He's 42.

• 47:02Doug DeMuro?

  You got, you got two kids and like a house and a cul-de-sac and you are still getting state ref. Like I admire the commitment.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Hey man, you can't take the four-ring racers out of this guy.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  Wait, here, it is wobble bolts. I think my paper, my paper temporary plate from Montana might catch on fire from the fireballs out of my Gallardo.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  You drove past the police in a fire-spitting Gardo with a Montana-

• 47:21Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna do though? I mean, it's too loud to exist. You're not keeping it.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  I'm getting a manual swapped in hopefully about a month, depending on when the slot opens up and they have to take off the bumper and the exhaust to get to the trans. So I'm gonna ship it out there and say, put the stock exhaust back on. And until then, I have about a month to be an absolute degenerate. And the beauty of it is, I can, whenever someone complains like a neighbor, I can just say, oh, it came like that. I'm working on it. I have the parts on order. I have an excuse to be this level of degenerate. Yeah. And so-

• 47:50Doug DeMuro?

  And, and Nick, when you say whenever someone complains like a neighbor, um, are you saying that because that's happened already?

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, how is Dr. Flood doing?

• 47:58Speaker 05

  You know, so far no one has said anything because I've proactively been like, oh, I'm so sorry, like, the guy before me, like total degenerate. He put on this ridiculous exhaust. I swear I have the parts on the way and like, you know, it's partially true.

• 48:13Doug DeMuro?

  Megaphone setup?

• 48:14Speaker 05

  It is called the megaphone. Oh, my lord.

• 48:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's too loud. In fact, you don't know this, but you know, we're, me and Nick, and we're having dinner tonight and Nick, Nick texts me before this morning and he says, um, he says, hey man, uh, my car I think is too loud, uh, for your neighborhood. Can I bring it or do you think it's not appropriate? And I said, "It's not appropriate."

• 48:35Speaker 05

  The car is uninvited from dinner.

• 48:37Doug DeMuro?

  He texts me privately.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Sean's car is really loud, you know, I mean-

• 48:41Speaker 05

  Well, that's why. You've given Sean some a hard time and I'm like, Sean's is child play compared to this car.

• 48:46Doug DeMuro?

  Sean's car is unusually loud because for some reason it starts in loud mode.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  But my car does that too. The cold started-

• 48:51Doug DeMuro?

  Your car doesn't have a quiet mode. It's the loudest thing I've heard in my life.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  It's, I have to say, when you started it after your birthday dinner, I was like, that is really-

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  You agree. It's embarrassing to be around, embarrassing to be around.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  We heard him go down the block in La Jolla, around the front, and like heard him like leaving La Jolla, very far away.

• 49:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  Still hear the car.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  But, that, that is all true, but from 4,000 RPMs to about redline, it is so worth it. Like it is worth being hated by everyone around you most of the time to experience 4,000 to like 8,000 RPM.

• 49:24Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 49:24Speaker 05

  So.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Well, I'm very, I'm really jealous. I really love this car and I'm, I'm so happy you have it.

• 49:30Speaker 05

  I'm very pleased with it and the fact that it has miles on it meant like I drove it 300 miles over the weekend and could care less. You know what I mean? Like normally you're like, the SLR being under 10,000 miles, you're always like, oh, this is like a, a significant percentage. Like this car, and it has some paint chips, it has some PPF, like it's the right level of imperfect where you can really just drive it.

• 49:49Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. The car is, your car is great. I'm so thrilled for you. I'm glad you have it. However, I hear there's another option on the table. TBR.

• 49:59Speaker 05

  Ooh, we did, so I drove it-

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  TBR on the site.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  I drove it Sunday to an Avon's event. It was a private collection and this guy, uh, has some property in Canada. I'm not really sure, but he has a bunch of forbidden fruit that we don't get everywhere. No, Clio and like all these really cool, or, sorry, the Clio, the Turbo 5. They, he has-

• 50:17Speaker 04

  Also has a-

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Three TVRs, um, and I got to drive one. And I got to drive his most special one. I was shocked, I was expecting this to be, one, a completely crappy vehicle, and then two, between right-hand drive and like it being old and all that, like, like I just, I expected to meet my hero and hate it.

• 50:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  And the opposite happened.

• 50:35Doug DeMuro?

  I, dude, the one TBR I drove, I was excellent to drive.

• 50:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was shocking, like, once I got past shifting with my left hand, which is like a weird thing for us Americans.

• 50:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  But like, once you got past that, like, like low RPMs, the clutch was really easy, like, everything was very intuitive. Like I really didn't have to think about the driving experience. I had to think, why is it beeping at me? What does that mean? And also, I couldn't get out of the car because it's an unlabeled button in the center console and there's no door handle.

• 51:01Doug DeMuro?

  But it's more than that. Isn't the, maybe it's not like this, but-

• 51:04Speaker 05

  To get in is underneath the rearview American, isn't it?

• 51:07Doug DeMuro?

  The Speed 6 that I drove.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  I don't know if we've done that.

• 51:09Doug DeMuro?

  To get out, go to the one that's live right now. The Speed 6 that I drove to get out, if you click on this- As I recall, you twisted that and that opened the doors.

• 51:20Speaker 05

  Mine was a Cigaris, so it was on the dash and it was a button next to the windows. So the windows were two circular buttons and then the door unlock was also a circular button right next to it.

• 51:30Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely bizarre. I've actually driven two TBRs. They were both excellent.

• 51:33Speaker 05

  But that added to like the sense of occasion. You know what I mean? Like the fact that it were, this guy, all of his cars required a long explanation to drive. But like, that's what's so cool is like, I can't even tell you how to get in and out of the car. Like you won't guess.

• 51:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is on the site right now.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  I know. I might bet.

• 51:49Doug DeMuro?

  These don't go for that much money.

• 51:51Speaker 05

  Exactly. Because the right-hand drive, because everyone's worried about servicing them.

• 51:55Doug DeMuro?

  Which is fair.

• 51:55Speaker 05

  I asked the guy that had it and I'm like, how do you service this? And he's like, I got a guy in Temecula who is an I can figure it out attitude. So he's like, I gotta find the parts, but he just like works on it like a normal car.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Cause it's a company that doesn't exist anymore.

• 52:08Doug DeMuro?

  The company doesn't exist anymore and there was some bespoke stuff and yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  But it was, you know, they weren't known for, what's the word, phrase I'm looking for? A build quality.

• 52:16Speaker 05

  No.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. But it's terrible, it's terrible in all the right ways. And I think it is like one of the perfect cars.

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's cool as hell.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  It's English, it's, it's, it's like, it's like an English viper.

• 52:25Speaker 05

  You wouldn't want it as like.

• 52:26Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly what it's like.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. You wouldn't want it as your only sports car.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Oh no.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  But like as a fifth car, I think it actually like, for the money scratches and it's really well. It certainly like has so much drama and occasion to it, but it is usable. So it's not like you could only just sit it in a garage and look at it like, like you could take out the cars and coffee and get around fine.

• 52:45Doug DeMuro?

  I remember playing TBRs in Gran Turismo.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:48Doug DeMuro?

  And then my family went to London in 99. It was the only international trip we ever took. And I remember seeing him on the street. I have pictures, like film developed pictures of like a few TBRs that I saw on the street in London back then.

• 52:59Speaker 05

  I think that viper analogy is good. It also reminds me a lot of like the Celine's that I love from the nineties where it's like.

• 53:03Doug DeMuro?

  But I've always felt the viper thing. I think it is the like the British viper. Front engine, big, rumbly, not.

• 53:09Speaker 05

  Poorly made.

• 53:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, I don't know about poorly made, but like not like well, you know, like.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  You know, I'm looking at those gap.

• 53:15Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, the body, the body panel gaps are atrocious.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Well. But that's what's cool. It's like, you don't buy it, you don't buy a car. It's not a, it's not a Porsche you buy it cause it's, it's actually neither of those things.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  And it could, it could be the movie Swordfish, but I just, you also feel like a villain. You know what I mean? Like you feel like the bad guy in a Bond film.

• 53:32Doug DeMuro?

  Which wasn't always true. You know, the cars, it was this generation of TBRs. Go back to that whole list of ones that we've had. It was this generation of TBRs that got like, like villainy. Like when, before they were, they were actually just sort of, they weren't that different from like an MG or like.

• 53:44Speaker 05

  Like a Morgan or like, yeah.

• 53:46Doug DeMuro?

  But then they decided to like really, there was the very last group of them, which was the Tuscan, the Cigaris. There were a few that they were just like, let's go. And boy, did they.

• 53:56Speaker 05

  And all the chroma flare paint and like, like the one that I drove had the color shift exterior, then a blue interior, like just wild stuff. Fever dream.

• 54:05Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Nick, apparently it was your birthday.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:08Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of birthdays though.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Ah yes, a big one cometh upon us. My M5, when this airs, October the 30th. My M5 will officially be 25 years old. It's finally, it's now technically a classic.

• 54:22Doug DeMuro?

  25 year old car has M5.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Still daily driving.

• 54:25Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I was, I was driving in the other day and I was thinking, I wonder if Kenan is gonna replace his M5.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  At some point.

• 54:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  With like, but it's sticking around.

• 54:33Doug DeMuro?

  Replace daily.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  I was thinking sell. I was thinking sell.

• 54:35Doug DeMuro?

  No, like I don't want to. I just.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  Ready to sell. I know you are, but it's not your car.

• 54:39Doug DeMuro?

  You know what you should think about doing? You should replace it with a 210 E55.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  Well, it's funny. I had a.

• 54:44Doug DeMuro?

  Which is a superior car.

• 54:46Speaker 04

  In no way. It's slower. It's an automatic.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  You better tread carefully. He was mad at me for like three months.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Well, no, no, I wasn't mad. You, no, you attacked me.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Every time I saw him, he was like.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  You know what sucks? The E39 M5 is a terrible vehicle. It's slower than my car.

• 55:02Speaker 05

  He's very sensitive about the E39.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  Well, no, it's like when someone's wrong, you have to tell them and you were wrong. Like no magazine agrees with that in period. Nobody agrees with it. Now the market definitely doesn't.

• 55:14Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. I, I, um, the E39 M5 is great. Two times better, but um, yeah, no, yeah.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  It's a great car. I love my M5, but it's.

• 55:24Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I got that you don't got is I got a station wagon.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  You know what I got that you don't got? My man croaks. I have three pedals.

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but I like.

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I got both. So booyah. I got three pedals and I got.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  You can't go above four gear.

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  I drove your car, the shifter came off in my hand.

• 55:38Speaker 05

  Well, that was, that was my fault though. And like, it was an easy.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  You know what's never happened to me in also almost, almost over like 11 years with this car? You know what's never happened to me in a hundred thousand miles? A shifter knob never come off.

• 55:48Doug DeMuro?

  Actually ironically, the only other time that happened was I had an E36 M3 with a shifter knob came off my hand.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Well, that was a very different era build quality.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  I had a steering wheel come off once while I was driving, making a left turn.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  We drive different sorts of vehicles.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  I've also had a wheel fall off once. So like, you know what? Yeah. My, my Ford Explorer, I lost the wheel, went across on coming traffic into a ditch.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  You got lucky. Those can.

• 56:08Speaker 05

  I know. It was really scary. I was 16 and an idiot. I didn't torque my wheels all the way.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Of course you did.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  My dad called me loose lug for like 10 years after that.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  I wish it started. I like that name. We're calling you loose lug. Anyway, 25 years old, the E39 M5. You got a cake for it or what's going on? Yeah. Well, it's birthday present this year. Some pretty significant service.

• 56:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God. So what are we doing? How much? 13,000?

• 56:27Speaker 04

  I did, uh, I did, it was just cool. It was old car things. Needed a new radiator. It was old.

• 56:31Doug DeMuro?

  13,000.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  It wasn't that. I don't remember what it was. It wasn't that. It was like six grand, I think, and stuff. But yeah, but it's, I mean, but then I went and drove it like an M5 should be driven up to Monterey and back for car week and it was wonderful.

• 56:44Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there is a BMW on the site right now that I think you and your lady should consider.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  What was that? Is it an X7? Is that what you're gonna tell me I need to get?

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's a three row. Go down, go down, go down to the three row BMW that we're selling.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Well, it's not really a category.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, well, there it is.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Oh my God. It's a, it's a, this is an E32 735 limousine conversion, still powered by the M30, which is, uh, it's working hard up there.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Because it wasn't fast in the, it wasn't fast in the non-three row. No.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  And the only reason, yeah.

• 57:18Doug DeMuro?

  Click, click on that picture with the TV.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's got period correct info.

• 57:23Doug DeMuro?

  VCR.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  It's got a heater.

• 57:24Speaker 05

  A space heater.

• 57:25Doug DeMuro?

  A space heater.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  And it's explicitly right above that says no smoking.

• 57:29Doug DeMuro?

  But you could remove that. And that was something I wanted to mention to you.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Just some Phillips.

• 57:33Doug DeMuro?

  If you wanted to smoke in the car, you can. The previous owner didn't want smoking. That doesn't mean you don't have to have smoking now. It, it actually gets better if you keep going, although the angled TV towards one of the passengers is pretty good.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  If those seats could talk.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  What would they say, Nick?

• 57:50Doug DeMuro?

  Go down. I'm gonna show you a couple of other.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  This is a family friendly show.

• 57:53Doug DeMuro?

  Here's a good one. There's a telephone, uh, which is just like, like the house phone.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  And it's like smoker's tooth yellow.

• 58:02Speaker 00

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• 58:32Speaker 04

  Yaged to perfection.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh, that window tint too. It's just black. It's paint.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  That's, there are not enough few pictures of the rear seats.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  There's actually another.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  There are six cup holders for one side.

• 58:43Doug DeMuro?

  But it's those cup holders from the eighties where they're like an inch.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  These are for champagne foods, I think.

• 58:48Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  But if you think of it, this is gonna go cheaper than what you spent on your last build for the E39.

• 58:52Speaker 04

  Well, yeah. Yeah. You know what's better? My, my fixed M5.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  But you could just drive this and like, if it only lasts a year, that's fine.

• 58:58Doug DeMuro?

  In addition, I'm talking about in addition.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, I see.

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  In addition.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  Well, it might be tough to fit in either my storage facility for my cars or my.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  Oh, you street park.

• 59:08Doug DeMuro?

  You know, speaking of, I legitimately considered, you sent a Facebook Marketplace six door E320 the other day. And I looked it up until I discovered it was 229 inches long. It's Lanes of Suburban. I was like, that's too big. But that's an interesting proposition, as is this with you and your lady. And by the way, there's a question about you and your lady coming up at the.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  We'll get to one more point on this. You were talking about how you want to be perceived as a man of the people and all this, or whatever. We were talking about cars.

• 59:31Speaker 05

  I don't want to be perceived that way. I am that way.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  Right. With your.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  I drive Kia.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  You have a Lamborghini.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, well.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  It has a megaphone exhaust according to you. It's, look at me, I'm rich.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  My doors, I don't have billionaire doors. I got the regular doors.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  I'm trying to approachable.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  They don't go like this, not like this.

• 59:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  These are not the

• 59:53Doug DeMuro?

  Shooting flames as loud as possible, you think approachable. This man, just come right up to him.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  The great irony, he is actually quite approachable. No, but he wants to get this Phantom, right? And he's like, I want this. I was like, I don't think it's gonna fit in your garage. So that means you're gonna have to street park a Phantom.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Imagine seeing that in his suburban neighborhood.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  It'd be great. It'd be great.

• 1:00:12Doug DeMuro?

  Are you thinking about this?

• 1:00:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:00:13Doug DeMuro?

  But you should be. If, let me ask you a question dead serious. If this was local, would we at least be having a conversation?

• 1:00:19Speaker 05

  Oh, for sure. There, there's a

• 1:00:21Doug DeMuro?

  Toronto.

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  A price point at which any vehicle is like, kind of like worth it for the meme, you know? Like I, spending 10 grand on a multipla, you're sort of like, oh, this is actually better meme car than the multipla.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  And this is in Toronto? This is, I'm shocked this is in the high bid already. That's crazy. Whatever, this is very cool. I think I'm gonna eschew from this one.

• 1:00:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what a shame, because this is a great opportunity to have a BMW and a three row. Uh, Kenan, for your growing family. Anyway, um, uh, in the talk cars segment, I also want to mention the Cars and Bids Festival.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  Oh, right.

• 1:00:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, which is on November 22nd from nine dash noon. Sean looks up now, he's like, what? You mean nine to noon? Say it right, Doug. Say it right. I got a Sean coming up that is gonna blow everybody's mind. Uh, anyway, submit your car for display. This is November 22. It's either a Saturday or a Sunday. I don't know which.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  It's a Sunday.

• 1:01:10Doug DeMuro?

  But you gotta go there. Nine to noon at the Peterson Museum in sunny Los Angeles, California. Nine to noon.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  It might be cloudy.

• 1:01:17Speaker 05

  Love the Peterson.

• 1:01:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, there's gonna be a live Q and A with your favorite Cars and Bids characters. You're going to this?

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  I am a definite maybe. I'm doing my best to accommodate this in my schedule and I have every intent of go.

• 1:01:30Doug DeMuro?

  But you're saying Ryan Lopez will be there? And you'll be there?

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  If Ryan's, the last time I went to the Peterson was with Ryan Lopez. He fixed my car on the way there.

• 1:01:37Doug DeMuro?

  I do remember that. Uh, folks, Sean comes in today and he's got this hat. He's always wearing a Dodgers hat. He's more or less from LA. And, um, he's got this Dodgers hat on and it, and it's like tattered. And, uh, so we're like, what's this? He says, this hat is special. It's from a designer. We said, what'd you pay? He said, this is a limited release hat only in Tokyo. We said, okay, what'd you pay? He said, it was 90 bucks for the hat and then I spent another 150 to pay a Japanese kid to stand in line. It's $240 hat. It's ripped. The hat's ripped. OE.

• 1:02:07Speaker 04

  OE. It's the patina package.

• 1:02:11Speaker 05

  And it is also corduroy. I'm sure we'll have an image on that.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  This, anytime someone in our friend group tries something different or try, wear something different over there, it gets shredded to bits and will never

• 1:02:20Doug DeMuro?

  But you agree, that's, it's insane.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  It's a terrible hat. Yeah.

• 1:02:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't even think it's terrible. It's $250 for a

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  It's a corduroy hat that says Corduroy hat that says Los Angeles and then has a denim bill on it that looks like somebody had a fish hook on it and then just ripped it off and went, oh shoot, God.

• 1:02:33Doug DeMuro?

  Sean is upset because the Brewers are gonna win the World Series. He wanted his Dodgers to win again and again and again. The team from Milwaukee is gonna win. Wisconsin. Sean couldn't find Wisconsin on a map. Never. No, absolutely no chance.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  Neither could Nick though, honestly.

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  Wisconsin?

• 1:02:49Doug DeMuro?

  Are you kidding?

• 1:02:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Next to one of the Great Lakes.

• 1:02:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick used to go

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  Next to Minnesota, don't you know?

• 1:02:54Doug DeMuro?

  Evanston, where do you think he bought drugs? He'd go up to Milwaukee.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  Madison was kind of a, you know, easier, more accessible.

• 1:03:03Doug DeMuro?

  Makes sense.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  I mean, I'm accessible.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, the, the Cars and Bids Festival, you can ask Nick all about his time at Evanston and the trips he took to Wisconsin. Uh, at the Cars and Bids Festival where Nick will be doing a Q and A along with Sean and Ryan Lopez.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  You know, when we go to LA, my wife and I, we like to play the game, are they fashionable or homeless? And it is really, really hard sometimes to tell.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  That's a, what a

• 1:03:26Speaker 05

  That hat, you know, it could have been a thrift store find. It could have been free or it could have been 250 bucks.

• 1:03:30Doug DeMuro?

  From Japan.

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  And 50 50 odds, like you'd probably get a

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's also signed by someone, but God knows who. Maybe Sean himself. Uh, all right, it's time for the market report. Uh, the market report Sean tells me is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Now that Filippo's not here, I have to do all the brought to you buys and I don't want to do them legitimately.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  Right, you're the only one of us three who works here now, so.

• 1:03:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 1:03:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:49Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, he doesn't. Well, Sean does, but he just, he's telling me off camera, he's upset. I can see him looking at him, not even gonna look at him, not even gonna dignify him. Uh, the market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the greatest place online to buy or sell or whatever we do. Anyway, uh, Kenan, tell us about, uh, the Audi R8.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. So for the long time, we've, we've, for a long time, we have praised the Audi R8 as being like such a bargain and I don't know, I think they've kind of felt undervalued. Now, admittedly, they got cheap for a long time. A lot of them kind of got modded, no offense to you, and destroyed and like, you know, just like devalued, we'll say.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  My R8 was straight piped, actually.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  This result, this one, this is a 2012 Audi R8 V8 coupe with a six speed that sold for 41,000 miles on it. That sold for 86.5. And it makes me start to wonder, is the R8 going to have its moment? Is that finally going to become appreciated? Are people gonna start paying more for these cars? I think for the nice ones, yes, but this one has miles.

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  It does have miles, but it is really nice. It is presented well. It is clearly very clean. It is just, it, it has mods, but they're all like the ones you do. It's a very nice car. Um, I think this is gonna be like the E46 M3. Where the ratty ones will always be cheap and the nice ones will start to really become

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  I agree with that. I mean, it's

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  And you will always be able to find one of each.

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

  You want Nick spec? You want megaphone exhaust? Or do you want a Kenan?

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  Right. Clean, stock, simple.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  Boring, one might say.

• 1:05:13Doug DeMuro?

  I agree, this was a great result, but it was

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:05:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. It's a great result.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  I think

• 1:05:17Doug DeMuro?

  Great car, deserved the number.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I, I just, I do, I totally agree with that analysis. I think that these cars like, I mean, they did make a lot of them at the end of the day and they've been so accessible. And I'm glad that there always will be accessible ones, but it's special.

• 1:05:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's special.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  And it is recognizing

• 1:05:30Doug DeMuro?

  And, and increasingly special, um, these with, you know, stock, manual, nice, no crazy stuff.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  So my friend Steven will be thrilled. He has a yellow R8, so he's been saying, when is this gonna go up in value? When it's gonna value? Well, it's like, well, the time might be coming.

• 1:05:44Doug DeMuro?

  Sitting out. That's another car. We were talking about a lot of cars going crazy. Countach and Veyron sitting out. R8s have been sitting out. I've been really surprised.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  I, I think though, the, the, the missing part here is, I think the reason R8s are going up is that the rising tide floated all ships of the Merci Alago finally took off and are now, you know, close to a million dollars for like a somewhat standard example.

• 1:06:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:05Speaker 05

  Which meant that the Gharada could go way up. And it's like, and once those finally went up, then it was a trade off versus, there was a time not that long ago, you could find Gharada sub, sub 100 grand. And why would, if, if the Gharadas were cheap, then you might as well get an R, you know, why would you get an R8? You might as well stretch an extra 10, 20 grand. As Gharadas are setting new records and Mercis are setting new records, the R8 finally has room to breathe and can go up a little bit before encroaching.

• 1:06:29Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened earlier, especially because they got so cheap. It wasn't like a Gharada and an R8 were like on parity. The R8s were so much cheaper. It like didn't make a lot of sense to me.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  But they were both sub 100 and like, I think the average like 911 buyers sort of looking at both being like, oh, I was gonna drop this much money on a standard mid trim 911 or I could have an R8 or a Gharada. Like, I might as well go the Gharada.

• 1:06:52Doug DeMuro?

  I think these are gonna continue to be considered special cars as long as they were kept well and in kind of the right, the right car.

• 1:06:57Speaker 05

  I mean, I bought, I bought mine for 57.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles were on this?

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  This one, so this was that red one we had in the office. That had 47.6.

• 1:07:02Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, this is a pretty, it's a pretty similar car. Uh, almost same miles. I, so I would argue the color is actually makes this more special and yet it sold for 66. The one we were talking about sold for over 80 just a couple of days ago. You can clearly see there's a market interest in this car. It deserves it.

• 1:07:15Speaker 04

  As it, as it deserves, exactly.

• 1:07:17Doug DeMuro?

  Um, on the subject of cheap cars, you want to talk Ineos?

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  Yes. So I love my P38 and the only thing to complain about is it's maybe a little old. And so when the Ineos Grenadier came out, I thought this is a modern P38. This is finally what the people have been asking for. Kendall, um, what's her face?

• 1:07:37Doug DeMuro?

  Kendall Jenner is in a

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  Jenner, yes, I was gonna say Jackson. She got one, you know, people are really into the P38s. The Ineos Grenadier, when it came out, I was like, this is the answer to all my problems. But it was like, close to 80, 90 grand for like a pretty well equipped one. And I was like, just give it time. It's gonna come down and finally, finally, finally, every single one that comes on the site, I, I star it, I watch it. And I hope, oh, maybe this is the time, maybe this is time. Like, forget your DBX. This is what Nicky Lube needs is an Ineos Grenadier. And 56.666 was the most recent result. And basically, if you watch that history, each one's like 5% cheaper than the one before. Like it just, it, it's a, it's a nice downward decline that I, I think is where I want to see it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  And I think I'll wait a little longer, but like, we're starting to get to a price point where you're like, I might throw my hat in the ring.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that's a reasonable point. I'm gonna give you a counterpoint. I think these, I'm shocked these aren't cheaper.

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  But it's because they're so new. That's a 24.

• 1:08:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but like

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  With like no miles on it.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  24 like ranges lose, maybe not the range specifically because it's like really desired right now, but like 24 luxury SUVs, you know what 24 X7 is worth? Like 38 grand off

• 1:08:47Speaker 05

  Both of those vehicles have been out for decades, right? And there's always like a stock of used cars. These are new vehicle.

• 1:08:52Doug DeMuro?

  But it's an orphan, weird orphan brand.

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, true.

• 1:08:55Doug DeMuro?

  I'm surprised how well these are holding, actually. I agree with you. They're getting cheaper and as they get cheaper, it's a very cool car. Uh, and especially in the 40s and the 30s. But it's taken some time to get there, more than I thought.

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  It's a shame that Ineos is a legitimate company outside of automotive because like, if we had a Henrik Fisker event and these became 17 grand over the weekend.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  Henrik.

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  Can you imagine? Like everyone would be buying these.

• 1:09:16Doug DeMuro?

  The thing I've learned about off-road SUVs is that they all depreciate slower.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Doug DeMuro?

  There is always a, a, a market for off-road SUVs that, that keeps the values high. G wagons, everything. Except of course, P38.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  56.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  Which are trash.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Kenan, this would be a great daily for you because you got your BMW power plant. You've got some analog feel to it. And you'd be cool.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, like an EV daily is much more appealing to me. I want no pain and no

• 1:09:41Doug DeMuro?

  You think I'm Fieldmaster or Field? No, that's this.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  No, that's

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  Field Streamer? What's the Subaru called? What's the Subaru called? Trail Seeker? Trailmaster?

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  Trialmaster. Yes, trial.

• 1:09:52Doug DeMuro?

  Trail Seeker is the Subaru. Trialmaster is the Ineos.

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  I don't know. I, I just kind of want something normal that's an EV.

• 1:09:59Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up a Subaru Trail Seeker. Let's see if we are interested.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:10:03Doug DeMuro?

  You, you know about this car?

• 1:10:05Speaker 05

  The Trail Seeker.

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 1:10:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's a wagon.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  But I don't seek trails. In fact, I usually avoid.

• 1:10:10Doug DeMuro?

  It's an electric wagon. Okay, it's better looking than the new Outback.

• 1:10:15Speaker 05

  It does look nice from the side.

• 1:10:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's better looking than a new Outback, which is universally agreed to be hain. What is the horsepower rating on this car? Take a guess. Take a guess. It's a boring hatchback Subaru.

• 1:10:25Speaker 05

  Hundred and eighty-seven.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  I was gonna say two forty.

• 1:10:28Doug DeMuro?

  Three seventy-five, baby. Zero sixty and three nine.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  That's faster than the M5.

• 1:10:32Doug DeMuro?

  Think about this.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  That's embarrassing.

• 1:10:34Doug DeMuro?

  I want to see you win a Trail Seeker by the end of the quarter.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  By the end of the quarter. Well, I will think about it.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  I bet you get some good deals December thirty-one on a Trail Seeker.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:10:43Doug DeMuro?

  I bet there are not a lot of people going in and getting a Trail Seeker.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  But you know what else is gonna be a good deal by the end of the quarter? Neos Grenadier.

• 1:10:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, a little better.

• 1:10:51Speaker 05

  Probably be in the forties.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  Five percent.

• 1:10:53Doug DeMuro?

  I'm telling you, I'm surprised they're not going faster. GLS's, all those cars, phew. This is not that far off sticker, especially when you consider they're not selling very well.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Doug DeMuro?

  So you'd think that would provide some downward pressure on the used prices, and it really hasn't all that much.

• 1:11:06Speaker 05

  I wonder if it's like, kinda like Tesla, where like the incentives are so good to buy a new one, that it's sort of like...

• 1:11:12Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 1:11:13Speaker 05

  Making it hard for the used one.

• 1:11:14Doug DeMuro?

  There's probably also an equilibrium of actual, like, it probably should have been priced at fifty-five to seventy always, and so they start to get into that range, and suddenly you're finding more buyers there.

• 1:11:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it is a cool car. Yeah?

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  Cheap Neos.

• 1:11:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah?

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Come to Papa.

• 1:11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I want to move on to the questions. Uh, the questions, of course, are brought to you by Ken and R. Our favorite vehicle representing, what, how do you, what do you describe yourself?

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's exactly what I do. Auction representation.

• 1:11:41Doug DeMuro?

  Ken is a representative.

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  Thank you. That's very kind.

• 1:11:45Doug DeMuro?

  They might make me cut all this. But I tell you, I'll stand up for Ken if I can.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:11:50Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, time for the questions. Uh, obviously, there's a lot of questions. The questions, by the way, next week, we have Ed Bolian. So you need to ask Ed Bolian-themed questions. I will not take any questions that are not Ed Bolian-themed. You go to YouTube, there's gonna be, it's a pinned comment or something, where we ask for our questions. It's, this week, they were great. Next week, they're gonna be Ed Bolian-themed. I'm gonna start off, Nick, there's a lot of Nick-related questions, but I'm gonna, actually, I'm gonna start off with the Ken.

• 1:12:16Speaker 05

  I'll be honest, I didn't read any of them in advance, so.

• 1:12:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, don't read them now, Nick.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  We'll do it live!

• 1:12:20Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna start off with a Ken, and from SDKLM10, Dear Doug and Friends, how is Ken's marriage situation going? Ken, tell us why you need a three-row BMW limo.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  I don't need one. This is not the situation at all. Uh, no, I, my girlfriend and I, things are going very well. She's gonna be here this weekend for Halloween, which is very exciting.

• 1:12:38Doug DeMuro?

  Now, you broke up with Emily.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  There, there never was an Emily. There never was anybody named Emily in my life. In fact, most people speculated my car, the M5, was M-Milly.

• 1:12:47Doug DeMuro?

  No!

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Uh, but...

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  Oh, that'd be a great vanity plate.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  M-Milly, yeah. For me, I'll tell you that. I'm good with that.

• 1:12:55Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of Emily, what would you pay for an M3 CRT? Over a stock, over a vehicle?

• 1:12:58Speaker 04

  Cause aren't they like two-hundred-and-fifty thousand dollars?

• 1:13:00Doug DeMuro?

  I'm asking what you would.

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  What I would pay, uh, what's a normal M3, like...

• 1:13:03Doug DeMuro?

  Just call it twenty-five.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  Twenty-six. Maybe? Like, I'd pay realistically forty. It is a special and really cool car. It's hain with those red.

• 1:13:12Doug DeMuro?

  The M3 CRT, the cool thing about it was that it had a carbon fiber trunk lid. And the other day, I was at Cars and Coffee with Nick, and the cool, one of the cool things about his car is that it has carbon fiber door panels. You're aware of this? And so, at the Cars and Coffee, in order to flex, Nick opened up his doors. And I think that if you had a...

• 1:13:28Speaker 05

  I'm approachable.

• 1:13:28Doug DeMuro?

  If you had an M3 CRT, you would open up your trunk.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Yeah?

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  I mean, that's true. It, it does have these weird red accents that are very odd.

• 1:13:38Speaker 05

  Don't you think like every E90, though, has a Vorsteiner trunk at this point? Like, a carbon fiber trunk is like a standard mod.

• 1:13:44Doug DeMuro?

  Cause they got hit.

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  I think it's the pre-LCI ones largely that get modded, but, I don't know, M3 CRT is very cool.

• 1:13:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, the marriage situation, so you're not gonna say anything more than, "Things are going well with my girlfriend."

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Things are, yes, I, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

• 1:13:56Doug DeMuro?

  You're not gonna tell us what she drives?

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  She drives an Audi Q5, like, exactly what you would expect, a white Q5.

• 1:14:01Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean, "what I would expect"?

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Well, she's a successful female professional in her mid-thirties. What do you drive? Audi Q5.

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, it's like, perfect. I would expect a lady of yours to be driving a Volvo 440.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:14:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, just seems right. You ever, you know a 440? Pull that up.

• 1:14:22Doug DeMuro?

  See if you agree with me, Nick.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think so.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, no, we've never sold one. The car was never sold in the United States.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  So we've sold a lot of cars that were never sold in the United...

• 1:14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, not one of these. Yeah.

• 1:14:31Speaker 04

  No, she has a lot more style than that.

• 1:14:33Speaker 05

  It's like an AI version of your old Volvo.

• 1:14:35Doug DeMuro?

  I think she'd be in a 440.

• 1:14:36Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:14:37Doug DeMuro?

  And she'd be windsurfing or whatever.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was so optimistic for that vehicle.

• 1:14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I totally, it's absurd.

• 1:14:42Speaker 05

  Absurd.

• 1:14:43Doug DeMuro?

  I've never seen a Volvo 440, by the way. If you live in the San Diego area and want to show me your Volvo 440, I would love that. You know, a man came up to me today, I was filming a video with the car behind me, god knows what it is, a surprise. And a man came up to me, a Mexican guy, with his whole family in a Toyota Avanza, which is a small minivan, it's like a three-quarter-sized Sienna. And he said, "Oh, Ford GT, I've never seen..." And I said, "Thanks," I said, "It's cool." I said, "You know, your car's pretty cool, too, cause it's not sold here." He goes, "Oh, yes, it's my wife's..." Like, I think he thought I was kidding, but I was not.

• 1:15:15Doug DeMuro?

  He's just taking his kids to the zoo. This is the zoo. Uh, okay. There's a lot of good questions here today. Now, I bolded the really good ones, we're gonna go through all of them. From George Pierce, nine-eight-two-one, Dear Cars and Bids, "With the release of the Ferrari 12-cylinder Manuali,"

• 1:15:31Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:32Doug DeMuro?

  Which is how I'm gonna say it.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  Close. Felipe would be upset.

• 1:15:35Doug DeMuro?

  "It would appear the technique they used to convert the dual-clutch into a simulator manual could be possible for other dual-clutch transmissions. Could this be the manual swap of the future?"

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  Uh, let me tell you.

• 1:15:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Here's a theory. What if Ferrari...

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  Uh, we, we've already said this.

• 1:15:49Doug DeMuro?

  But what if Ferrari started doing it OE?

• 1:15:50Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I've said.

• 1:15:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow, he's already said it.

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  I said it the second it came out. This is, I said it on the podcast.

• 1:15:56Doug DeMuro?

  Never heard it.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  I said, "The benefit of this," everybody was...

• 1:15:58Doug DeMuro?

  George Pierce, nine-eight-two-one, came up with the idea. George Pierce, I hope you're selling it to Ferrari. We've never heard it before.

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  This happened, and enthusiasts were like, "It's a manual," I was like, "But it's not really relevant." Like, as long as it feels good, which it will,

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  then they're going, there's a pretty good chance they put this in other cars, and then they could backdate the cars there. If Classic K did a manual conversion, which is what Aston Martin Works did for their cars, print the money. People will pay to do it. Uh, it'll be better than, like, some of these, some of these solutions we're seeing aftermarket.

• 1:16:25Doug DeMuro?

  It would have a massive...

• 1:16:27Speaker 04

  Two-pedal manuals.

• 1:16:28Doug DeMuro?

  It would have a massive impact on values for 458s, for 488s, for...

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  Which are already becoming...

• 1:16:34Doug DeMuro?

  812s for all those cars.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  Absolutely, and if it really is just software and some of that hardware and then integration, you gotta, you know, whatever, there's some finagling that'll have to be done. Ferrari, do it. Like, just do it. And you have to imagine, like, they're already gonna do it on other cars. Like, I would imagine the 296 will probably get this, and other cars will have it. Granted, it's a little more complicated, cause it has...

• 1:16:52Doug DeMuro?

  They, I think, I think the problem is Ferrari's trying to throw Luches down people's throats. And so, I think Ferrari's trying to save this as a special technology for, like, I don't think it'll come to the 296. I think it'll come to a very special, unique 296 that was only offered to Luché buyers. The, the 296 Luché edition, you got a manual in your 296, cause you were really just stomach 400 in depreciation on a Luché.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  400 in straight depreciation.

• 1:17:14Speaker 05

  Honestly, it might be worth that.

• 1:17:16Doug DeMuro?

  But yeah, it might be, but, but it certainly will come to other cars, and you gotta wonder, you gotta wonder. Like, if Ferrari did it as a thing, the Calis could be swapped.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Well, I mean...

• 1:17:25Doug DeMuro?

  Like, our dream, it could have a manual Cali.

• 1:17:28Speaker 04

  If that existed. Uh, but it is, I mean, yeah, the, that makes more sense to me to back, backdate some of that stuff. And also, it gets the cars in, so they know where they are.

• 1:17:36Doug DeMuro?

  They know where they are. By the way, you need this, this, and this. It's gonna be, instead of fifty-eight thousand dollars.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  Like, Carr GT, you need suspension stuff, gotta bring the car in. Uh, but I think that, I really think that this is like, I think it's more promising than anything else. I, like, I, I don't really, I'd like to drive one still, but I think it's a great piece of technology. It's cool. And it goes click-clack. Come on now.

• 1:17:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's an interesting idea. Uh, speaking of which, I...

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  To bridge those two questions, so, we were at Cars and Coffee.

• 1:18:04Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:18:04Speaker 05

  Ken brought his new girlfriend.

• 1:18:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 05

  And someone came up to me and made a Money Chef joke.

• 1:18:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  And she's like, "Oh, I'm kind of into cars, but I don't know all the terminology." And I go, "Yeah, yeah, it's like an inside joke from the pod. You ever blown a trans?" To see how she would respond to it, you know?

• 1:18:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:21Speaker 05

  And she was a really good sport about it. Then I had to explain to her how, how that made sense in car terminology, not normal terminology.

• 1:18:26Doug DeMuro?

  Had she ever blown a trans?

• 1:18:27Speaker 05

  She, she had never blown a trans of either kind.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Which is what, Nick, that's how Nick vets people in my life, yes.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  I wanted to test her.

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  Blown a trans.

• 1:18:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's another day in Nick's life.

• 1:18:38Speaker 04

  Before she met all the people in front of her, I gave her a synopsis of each person, and I got to him, and he said, "This is crazy, Nick, he is crazy."

• 1:18:45Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  He's gonna say some wild stuff.

• 1:18:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Carr GT, the Porsche dealer, I took my Carr GT, I, I called them, and I said, "Hey, I'd like to do smog," and they said, "We can't do it." If it's a Star-certified one, they said, "You gotta go to a Star station," so I took my Carr GT to a local smog shop.

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Yes, well, the one I like around the corner. They're great there.

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  The one with the birds?

• 1:19:02Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  Different one.

• 1:19:04Doug DeMuro?

  Quite an experience.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's hard to get in that driveway, though. Thank goodness you see it.

• 1:19:08Speaker 05

  I had to get the SLR smog for the new buyer as well, cause it's staying local.

• 1:19:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Speaker 05

  And the guy goes, "Can I take a picture for the gram?" And I'm like, "Sure." And then he proceeded to do a ten-minute-long video, going all around it. I'm like, sitting in the waiting room, being like, "Okay, I kinda gotta go, like, did it pass?" But like, he like, waited till the end to be like, "Yeah, it passed," so.

• 1:19:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:19:28Speaker 05

  Gotta love it.

• 1:19:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question, next question, next question. Dear, from Captain Anytime, Dear Nick. No, Nick, do not look at the questions. I will read them to you. Dear Nick, how does it make you feel knowing you sold the P38 mere days before Kendall Jenner made an Instagram post featuring one inevitably skyrocketing their value? Pull up the Kendall Jenner P38. Did you see this?

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  It's a dark green one.

• 1:19:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, I did.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  Gorgeous back. Ridge Rover sold it, like, like, it, it's a very nice one. It's not a Nicky Lube example. I'm sure she paid handsomely for it.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Um, I, I don't know if this will actually have an impact on the, the total market here, but.

• 1:20:06Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think that this makes it cool?

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  It, oh, definitely. The number of people that have sent this to me on Instagram is wild.

• 1:20:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  It's cool.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  It is cool. I, I still stand by the statement that it is a better idea than a Defender 90 or 110. It gives you all the charm, the high seating position, all that of the Defender, but it has carpet. It has a headliner. It has all the creature comforts you could want. Like it is a more refined, more gentleman's spec Defender.

• 1:20:34Speaker 04

  Is the L322 going to get to this status, you think?

• 1:20:37Doug DeMuro?

  I, yeah.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  I'd rather have it.

• 1:20:38Doug DeMuro?

  You assume that at one point they all become.

• 1:20:40Speaker 05

  That's all like new trash, like.

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  Right. Jeremy Clarkson driving one on Clarkson's farm, one he's had since we came out and was new. That's definitely trash. Harry Metcalf, come on.

• 1:20:49Doug DeMuro?

  Every car eventually goes from new trash to used trash to vintage cool.

• 1:20:53Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:20:54Doug DeMuro?

  Every car. I mean, the number of people I see talking about 90's Camrys is cool. And it's like, I was there and remember when every car enthusiast hated this car and used it as the primary example of like white bread, awful, anti-car enthusiast stuff. And they think, yeah, they all become cool. I remember when P38s were used, used trash. It was, um, today.

• 1:21:15Speaker 05

  You do have to wonder.

• 1:21:16Speaker 04

  Tomorrow?

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  She got this car and sure, sure she paid up a little bit because it's a nice example. But it's still going to be beeping at her and leaking all over her driveway. Like, how, how long does the charm of this car last for her? I like, I give it weeks.

• 1:21:28Doug DeMuro?

  Kendall Jenner is a legitimate car enthusiast.

• 1:21:30Speaker 05

  Agreed.

• 1:21:30Doug DeMuro?

  On a very legitimate level.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  E- even on my level though, the P38 wears on you. Like it, it, it's way too much inconvenience for someone who doesn't have the, the spare time or, or ability to be inconvenienced on that level.

• 1:21:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, that's true. Uh, I agree with that. We'll see what happens. I have a suspicion we'll never see it again in one of her posts.

• 1:21:48Speaker 05

  I suspect that Adidas promo that she did with this paid for the car though, and like you can just move on.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  Uh, right. All of 3,800 US dollars.

• 1:21:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Promo paid for the car. All right.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  This is a 50th anniversary, right?

• 1:22:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it's an anniversary. It was, it was $4,900. So you got an extra, it's got Rhino leather. It was $4,999.

• 1:22:08Speaker 05

  If Cadillac can charge an extra 60K for their anniversary additions, think what Range Rover can do.

• 1:22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Tiger Escobar 6923. What are the oddest vehicle interiors that you guys have ever driven? And why is it the 04 Nissan Quest?

• 1:22:22Doug DeMuro?

  I, I want to tell you guys something. The 04.

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Did it actually say that?

• 1:22:24Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the 04 Nissan, yes. Pull up the 04 Nissan Quest interior. It is the craziest interior of all time.

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  Is that the one?

• 1:22:29Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Pull up this picture. There is a barrel in the center. And, and the barrel is the center console. Now, uh, there, this car also had four sunroofs, none of which opened. They were individual. Here's that. You can see that here. There's five actually. Um, I've always wanted to review an 04 Quest. Uh, I think they're incredibly cool. The exterior was also bizarre. But Sean would never let me. If I came to Sean and I said, Sean, hey man, I'm, I'm thinking about doing an 04 Quest. He would say, and he would take his hat, his new corduroy hat, and he would start hitting me with it and, and hurting me. And I can't have that, people.

• 1:23:07Speaker 04

  Now, don't worry. It's too expensive. He doesn't want to damage the designer hat.

• 1:23:10Doug DeMuro?

  So unfortunately.

• 1:23:12Speaker 05

  Isn't it, doesn't it have a VQ in it as well?

• 1:23:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Speaker 05

  Like you could tune this and, and make it sound cool?

• 1:23:17Doug DeMuro?

  It was front wheel drive, but the, uh, there, there will never be, pull up the barrel picture again. You loaded CDs, which were big at the time, down there. And by the way, like in that slot, you put them under the dash. Like in the Carr GT. And there was a little storage compartment down there. It was absolutely bizarre. This, the, the gauges were in the center, even though they never made a right-hand drive version of the car.

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  Like a Z8?

• 1:23:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 04

  Wow. That is a weird, oh, thank you.

• 1:23:43Doug DeMuro?

  I love this thing and I've always wanted to review one and I would do it if only Sean wasn't such an oppressor. If you want to see an 04 Quest review, you gotta do two things. Number one, send an email to [email protected]. And number two is you have to have an 04 Quest because I think they have all, they've, yeah, they've all been destroyed. So.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  Well, all right, that'll, that.

• 1:24:06Speaker 05

  What's your, what's your weirdest interior car you've experienced?

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  Trying to think. Um, the Morgan Aero8 Super Sport.

• 1:24:14Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up that interior.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Unusual interior.

• 1:24:16Doug DeMuro?

  Let's see what that looks like.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  The whole car is weird. Uh.

• 1:24:20Speaker 05

  I'm so into those.

• 1:24:23Doug DeMuro?

  Are you?

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. Not necessarily the Super Sports, just Morgan Aero8s in general.

• 1:24:27Speaker 04

  So much weird, but like things were in odd places.

• 1:24:30Doug DeMuro?

  The TVR interiors are definitely up there with the weird.

• 1:24:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  I've never driven that, so I can't really say. I would agree. There are weirder interiors that I know of.

• 1:24:37Doug DeMuro?

  The Multipla.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  It was funny because it's like this weird mix of like, the steering wheel's out of an Aston Martin.

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  The switchgear is out of a Mini. The shifter, I believe, is out of a Mini. The parking brake that I had, I remember was like down here. Like it was like against like the footwell. It was just like a weird, Morgans are odd, you know?

• 1:24:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  But I want, I said this in the video I did about it because I think they're odd, but I think they're really, really cool. And I, and people are like, you feel blessed to be at a Morgan. These British people got so mad. I'm like, it is weird. That's why it's cool. But yeah, that's probably the weirdest one I've been in. Even the Spiker C8 is pretty unusual.

• 1:25:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's good. Those are some good free recall ones right there. French cars have weird interiors. I've been in some modern French cars. Not modern, but like 90's that had very odd interiors.

• 1:25:21Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, I haven't, yeah, I haven't driven any French cars.

• 1:25:22Doug DeMuro?

  Bonjour, Monsieur Canon.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  Ah oui, c'est ça. I would love to drive one, but.

• 1:25:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, you, you kind of, I was gonna say the Multipla is the weirdest one I've owned.

• 1:25:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 05

  And that TVR, just because it was so disorienting of all the unlabeled buttons.

• 1:25:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Speaker 05

  Nothing is where you would expect it to be. That was, it was, and then it was like bright blue and like with a roll cage, like.

• 1:25:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:39Speaker 05

  They really didn't follow any rules on that one.

• 1:25:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  TVR cars kind of take the cake.

• 1:25:44Speaker 05

  It was also cool it had a bubble over the head, so I could fit on it in the driver's side, but I could not fit it in the passenger side.

• 1:25:50Doug DeMuro?

  You're kidding.

• 1:25:50Speaker 05

  Like it's, it's just such a weird packaging.

• 1:25:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. The, the Legonda was very odd.

• 1:25:55Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:55Speaker 04

  The Series 2.

• 1:25:56Doug DeMuro?

  Depending on which Legonda you got, but some of them, some of them had microwave buttons and remember the odometer was under the hood.

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  Single post steering.

• 1:26:03Doug DeMuro?

  Single post steering.

• 1:26:04Speaker 04

  My friend Ryan thinks the Legonda is beautiful.

• 1:26:07Doug DeMuro?

  There are a lot of people who have that opinion. If you really liked.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  The Series 2?

• 1:26:10Doug DeMuro?

  If you liked the 80's box stuff, like the Bruno Sacco stuff, a lot of those people consider the Legonda to be like one of the very best, like pieces of design. I have a friend, my friend Glenn thinks this too.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  You know what I think it, it's an anteater.

• 1:26:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's an anteater, but that doesn't mean it's not beautiful. I think the anteater is one of those beautiful animals. It eats ants. Uh, okay. Next question from Noah Martin 1066. I'm going to address this even though no one's watching anymore. You know, we're late in the pod, but I really want to address this question because I get asked all the time. Dear Doug, have you ever considered that you may not be getting the full experience out of the cars that you review? Because you only drive them on normal roads around San Diego, how come you don't ever drive your cars on canyon roads or racetracks? Okay. You, the video I do, I want to be clear about this. That's not the whole time I was with the car. All right? You see 20 minutes, but like I had the car for a week. I didn't film the whole week, folks. It's not 168 hour video. It's a 20 minute video.

• 1:27:05Doug DeMuro?

  And when I record my driving impressions, I have distilled down what I have gleaned from the week into 20 minutes. Why do I not show myself driving fast? Do you guys know?

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  Commenters.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Irresponsible.

• 1:27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Farah did it one time and there was a 3,000 comment Reddit thread about how irresponsible Farah is. Do you remember when Marquez Brownlee did it?

• 1:27:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, in the school zone?

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  He learned the hard way.

• 1:27:30Doug DeMuro?

  To this day, it is still, like I talk about Marquez and people still bring it up like, oh, like I speeds in school zones. And like, that's what happens if you drive fast. So I do not show you the fast driving. It may not even happen. It's all under the speed limit, people. Because I know that if you do that, you get absolutely destroyed. And so people are always like, Doug doesn't drive. He doesn't, he only drives on normal roads. That's what you see. Anything could be happening elsewhere. Uh, but I have learned that you do not want to show that stuff.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  Don't you also feel like there's a lot of reviews on the internet of how a car drives at the track, which is applicable to maybe 0.1% of the people who buy it? Like how it drives on the street is what you really want to know? Like a GT3 RS, of course it's good on the track. Like what, what does that tell me?

• 1:28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yes. And these guys have access to stuff like that. Like there, there are YouTube. The reason I don't drive the racetrack is simply too expensive. Like we can't run out of racetrack for all my videos. It's just not.

• 1:28:29Speaker 05

  Your, your boy, your idol, Harry, just drove that Manuali Ferrari and he said Ferrari invited me to do it at the track. I specifically turned them down because who cares? That is applicable to no one. Here's how it actually drives on the street and I waited longer to do that because that is what matters to someone who actually might buy that.

• 1:28:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's the point I've always made too. And Toyota's like, oh, you give a new four on or hey, you're going to take it off road.

• 1:28:50Doug DeMuro?

  Like that's a real commitment. No one watches off roading videos and I know, and you know, and they know, that 99.99994% of the driving will be done on the, on, on the street. And the 0.006%, there are off-road YouTubers who will cover it in depth on some property they have, you know, and better than I ever will.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  Agreed.

• 1:29:09Doug DeMuro?

  But that's the answer. I don't want to show myself doing illegal things on camera because people lose their minds.

• 1:29:18Speaker 05

  If you want illegal things on camera, check out at Nick Rashawn on YouTube.

• 1:29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Nick drives fast on camera. I'm shocked.

• 1:29:24Speaker 05

  There will be Fireball videos soon.

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:29:27Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Nick, here's one for us from Ben Hameen 99. Dear Doug, when will you review a B8 Audi S4? Never. Nah, someday I will. But here's the good part of the question. Can you rank all of the A4, S4 generations?

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  Ooh. Oh, man.

• 1:29:45Doug DeMuro?

  B5's first.

• 1:29:46Speaker 05

  Do you think, are we allowed to count RS4s too or just A4s?

• 1:29:49Doug DeMuro?

  I think let's, let's do the whole B.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  I mean, you know how I have to go, right? You know it's number one, B7.

• 1:29:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's a B7 man at the end of the day.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  It's the best looking. It's an icon.

• 1:29:59Doug DeMuro?

  B5's the best.

• 1:30:00Speaker 04

  B8.

• 1:30:01Speaker 05

  B, B5, I'll give B5 second place over the B6 because it's special, but the B7 is just, peace.

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• 1:30:38Doug DeMuro?

  First off, B5 literally saved Audi as a brand. So from that perspective alone, it's the best Audi of all time. But in addition to that, it was just an amazing car. I owned a B4 and it was not good. And I had a pretty good one. B5 was like a tight, well-done, well-engineered, perfectly executed car.

• 1:30:58Speaker 05

  Well-engineered's a stretch.

• 1:31:00Doug DeMuro?

  You're thinking of S4s.

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  Anyone who's ever had a water pump go out on a B5 S4.

• 1:31:04Doug DeMuro?

  You're thinking of S4s.

• 1:31:05Speaker 05

  There's a literal shop in San Diego that has a rule that says we will work on any Audi except for the B5.

• 1:31:13Doug DeMuro?

  No, but they're only talking about S4s. The regular B5 was an A4, which was 98% of sales, was an excellent compact executive car. God, that looks so good.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  It does, with the mods.

• 1:31:24Doug DeMuro?

  It does look great. No, no, this is...

• 1:31:25Speaker 05

  No, the one with mods, yeah.

• 1:31:26Doug DeMuro?

  To this day, I think about buying another B5. To this day.

• 1:31:29Speaker 05

  Well, you know what? They're available for like four grand in anyone's driveway.

• 1:31:33Doug DeMuro?

  We sold one today.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  Especially if it's a tip.

• 1:31:34Doug DeMuro?

  Type in "B5 A4." We sold one, I think, today or maybe yesterday. There are no tips left. The tips all failed. Look at this. An early manual, 96.

• 1:31:42Speaker 05

  Wow, low miles, too.

• 1:31:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is the first model year. Bad interiors on the 96s, though. The giant row of buttons across and the bad taillights. You had to get a 98 or up. Nick and I know, you know? Nick probably doesn't, he's not a B5 man like me.

• 1:31:54Speaker 05

  So B7, B5, B6, B8.

• 1:31:59Doug DeMuro?

  B9.

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  B9, yeah.

• 1:32:00Doug DeMuro?

  B9's a pretty good car, honestly. All of the A4 gens have been good.

• 1:32:03Speaker 05

  But the B8, you got the supercharged V6, rear sports diff, like you could still get in a manual. So like that, you can't put that too far down the list.

• 1:32:11Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:32:12Speaker 05

  And there are values now. And you can put a pulley of tune on it.

• 1:32:15Doug DeMuro?

  The problem with the B8 ultimately is that the B7 had two V8 options.

• 1:32:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Doug DeMuro?

  And the B8, not only just the V8, but went backwards in power on the S4.

• 1:32:23Speaker 05

  And it started to get bigger. Like the B5, its size is so good.

• 1:32:26Doug DeMuro?

  It also got a lot nicer inside. It was a much more competent overall car. If you looked at it from the perspective of all A4s, it's hard to say the B8 is not like the best.

• 1:32:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I agree with that.

• 1:32:36Doug DeMuro?

  It was a really nice car. But we're only thinking about the performance.

• 1:32:39Speaker 05

  And that's why I'm going B7, is you could get it in the RS4 version in America. You could get it as a convertible. Like, find me a B5 RS4 convertible.

• 1:32:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, there were Audi convertibles being produced when the B5 was being produced. It was just the B4 lasted a little into the B5's era. B6 was a convertible also, don't forget.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Not in the RS4 trim, no.

• 1:32:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, nobody wants...

• 1:33:02Doug DeMuro?

  They didn't give us the RS4 cab in the B6. What a loss.

• 1:33:07Speaker 05

  It is, it is.

• 1:33:08Doug DeMuro?

  This is the greatest Audi A4-based car ever made. B5 RS4.

• 1:33:12Speaker 05

  I agree. And if you take that into account, then yes, I would put the B5.

• 1:33:15Doug DeMuro?

  My list is probably B5, B7.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:20Doug DeMuro?

  B6, B8, B9. Which is hard to say B9 is last because they're so competent. But B7 has to be second because the RS4. If not for that, B6 would be second. It looked better.

• 1:33:31Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:33:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:33:32Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:33:32Doug DeMuro?

  And it had the... It introduced the V8 and had the big fat wheels.

• 1:33:36Speaker 05

  It looks good, don't get me wrong. But the B7 is just... It's one of the few facelifts that truly improved upon the original.

• 1:33:43Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I will allow you to choose our second to last question, then I have a special last question.

• 1:33:47Speaker 05

  I'm not allowed to read them.

• 1:33:48Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but I'm giving you the choice. You can either have... No, no, I'm telling you, I'll say them to you. From Catsina UK, "Dear Doug, rank your favorite SRT models." What's your favorite SRT model?

• 1:33:59Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:33:59Doug DeMuro?

  Or, from SCKLM10, "Doug, what's the obscure license plate fact of the day?" You choose.

• 1:34:05Speaker 05

  Ooh. I feel like we just did a ranking one, so I'll take a license plate fact.

• 1:34:09Doug DeMuro?

  What, are you kidding? It was a joke.

• 1:34:11Speaker 05

  There's so many, there's so many SRTs. This is a genuinely difficult...

• 1:34:15Doug DeMuro?

  What's your favorite SRT?

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  I mean, it's gotta be Gen 5 Viper.

• 1:34:21Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, take Vipers out.

• 1:34:22Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:34:23Doug DeMuro?

  Because, yeah, Viper.

• 1:34:25Speaker 05

  SRT10.

• 1:34:26Doug DeMuro?

  Ram.

• 1:34:26Speaker 05

  Pickup.

• 1:34:27Doug DeMuro?

  More than the Magnum?

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 1:34:28Doug DeMuro?

  More than the Neon?

• 1:34:29Speaker 05

  For me in particular. Now, if I were arguing for the average person, I would have a different ranking. But for me and what I want, it's... I'm still, I look at the Ram pickups a lot.

• 1:34:38Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, fine. What's yours?

• 1:34:40Speaker 04

  The Cherokee SRT.

• 1:34:41Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, the Grand Cherokees.

• 1:34:44Speaker 04

  Central exhaust.

• 1:34:45Doug DeMuro?

  05.

• 1:34:46Speaker 04

  It's so cool, yeah, 05.

• 1:34:47Doug DeMuro?

  That's my favorite. You're right. I was not gonna think of it.

• 1:34:49Speaker 04

  It's so cool.

• 1:34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Magnum's up there on mine. The trucks are up there.

• 1:34:52Speaker 04

  Magnum's up there for you?

• 1:34:53Speaker 05

  His favorite SRT isn't a Dodge. That's, that's very funny.

• 1:34:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they did it on all the brands. Chrysler had a Cherokee.

• 1:34:59Speaker 05

  And I just like, it's so like a Dodge thing, though. You know what I mean?

• 1:35:02Doug DeMuro?

  No, Chrysler, there was a Crossfire SRT, there was a 300 SRT.

• 1:35:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, the 300 actually looked really good.

• 1:35:07Doug DeMuro?

  300 was a boss car.

• 1:35:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, those wheels.

• 1:35:09Doug DeMuro?

  300 was a car where you fire your dad if your dad was a plumber. You know what I mean? It was like a blue collar fire your dad kind of car. Okay, that's all. That's our end of our podcast, except there is one very last question from Kyle Elliott 512. Is Doug going to announce his new Ford GT? Goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching. Great podcast.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  Goodbye.