Tina Fey

Tina Fey knows you have to kill every time. Amy hangs with her comedy wife, talking about being a workaholic, going on tour together, and the joys of watching Pat Battle on NBC. Host: Amy Poehler Guests: Tina Fey, Seth Meyers, Zarna Garg, Rachel Dratch, and Fred Armisen Executive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-Berman For Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, supervising producer Joel Lovell For The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; Video producers Jack Wilson and Belle Roman; Audio producer Kaya McMullen, Video editor Drew van Steenbergen, booker Kat Spillane Original Music: Amy Miles Use coupon code ‘EATCESAR10’ at Cesar.com for 10% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Amy Poehler?

  Hey, everyone, this is Amy Poehler. This is the first episode of my podcast. Thank you for being here. I like to be five or six years late to any trend. It only gets better from here, or it only goes down from here. I don't know, we'll see. I just want to make it clear, I am not an expert, I'm not a therapist, I'm not here to change your life, I don't care if you get any better. I don't have advice for you. I just want us to have fun and lighten up a little. And, I don't know, I want us to feel like there's

• 1:06Amy Poehler?

  there's a way to have laughs amid all of the craziness that is life. So, if you're listening to this while you're working out, or folding laundry, or maybe you're sitting in your car, avoiding your kids, maybe you're listening to this, I don't know, in your, you know, in-laws basement, next to the Bowflex machine, and it's Christmas, and you're questioning the choices you've made in life. Whatever it is, this is a show here to have fun and make you laugh, and I'm not here to judge. Okay, so, my guest today is Tina Fey. Tina is my wife, really, in life.

• 1:49Amy Poehler?

  She is my comedy partner in many ways, and she has, you know, I talk about it in the podcast a little bit, but she has been Along this journey with me, we've really experienced a lot of things together at the same time in life. Sometimes I feel like Tina and I are kind of a group with two members. And we've had a lot of parallel things happen at the same time. Kids and TV shows and career. And we're lucky enough to still like each other and want to tour together. So, uh, we're gonna talk and, um, hang out. And like any good hang, you want to make sure that anyone's invited. So, without further ado, uh, here are some of my fave people.

• 2:33Amy Poehler?

  Seth Meyers, Fred Armisen, Rachel Dratch, and Zarna Garg, a great stand-up and friend who's been joining Tina and I on the road. And see if they have any questions for Tina. Anything they think I should ask her. And honestly, I just want to check in and see if they think this is a good idea.

• 3:02Amy Poehler?

  Wait, Dratch's Zoom is in this dark.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Dratch is in a haunted New England attic.

• 3:08Amy Poehler?

  There you are.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  It's very Dratch to join and then carry her laptop into every room in her home.

• 3:14Speaker 04

  I'm planting it now.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Dratch is putting her headphones on in a way, it's a 30% chance she strangles herself.

• 3:23Speaker 04

  I know. This is a very typical Dratch entry.

• 3:27Amy Poehler?

  Dratch's headphones look like, hmm, you know when you were trying to untangle Christmas lights?

• 3:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't even know this kind of cord could tangle like that.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  I'm holding up everything.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  No, no, this is what Amy wanted.

• 3:41Amy Poehler?

  Just the sound of untangling headphones is great for like a first podcast and stuff.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  All right, ready to rock.

• 3:48Amy Poehler?

  Uh, maybe I should reintroduce everybody since we're all on mic here. Zarna Garg, Seth Meyers, Fred Armisen, Rachel Dratch. Welcome to Good Hang. Thank you for being.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  It's great to be here. It's been a great hang so far.

• 4:00Speaker 04

  It's an honor.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  I mean, everything that's happened before the intro's been great.

• 4:03Amy Poehler?

  I mean, it feels like it's been real smooth.

• 4:08Speaker 04

  That's on me.

• 4:09Speaker 05

  You can hear this microphone, okay? Does this sound all right? Check, check.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Can we just go down the line and have everyone clap?

• 4:15Amy Poehler?

  We really need you guys to clap.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't hear Zarna. Okay, okay, okay. We really need to get this clap right, guys.

• 4:27Amy Poehler?

  Okay.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  Seth? It's not picking up.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  Hey, man, this is the episode. Oh, yeah, this is it. A hundred percent, Zarna. I don't think you can stop it.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  I think it's very unfair that Dratch is using this time to record an episode of Background Noises with Rachel Dratch.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  Dratch, who is at the door? That's the question. I ordered food, I ordered food.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  I haven't heard an old-timey doorbell like that.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, one more, one more thing, one more thing.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  The batteries are out of my hands.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  So, I have to do my, my phone.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  I'm getting my, my voice out, but I don't need to have the microphone, right?

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Dratch, we're probably gonna edit you out of this.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  This is the most embarrassing Pisces.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Also, Dratch, if you ordered from a second restaurant, you should tell us now.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  I did, I did this one, I didn't do a bang-bang.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Okay. Well, already it's been a good hang.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 6:14Amy Poehler?

  Oh my god, okay. So my first guest is Tina.

• 6:19Amy Poehler?

  Tina Fey. And you all know Tina really well. So I guess my question to you is, what would you want to hear her talk about on this podcast or any podcast? She doesn't do a lot of them.

• 6:33Speaker 05

  Her dad was really good at caricatures. So are there any other artistic talents that she got from her dad? Because Tina's good at caricatures too, like drawing. But how do you put that into like a question for her? I guess it's more like,

• 6:54Speaker 05

  did she get that from her dad? Or like how much of like, I remember him being really funny in his own way, too.

• 7:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 05

  So.

• 7:01Amy Poehler?

  Dawn Faye.

• 7:02Speaker 06

  She is an intimidating presence, Tina. Like, you know, people are nervous around her. I was nervous around her when I first met her. I wonder if she ever gets asked like the, she's intimidating in the way that a man would be to me. But I wonder if she ever gets asked like the girl questions. Like, what dress are you gonna wear?

• 7:23Amy Poehler?

  That's interesting.

• 7:24Speaker 06

  Is that something she deals with at all? Or do people just go to her like, oh, no, this is not a Tina Fey question?

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Do you want me to ask her the dress question?

• 7:31Speaker 06

  Ask her the dress question, Seth.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  I'll ask her.

• 7:33Speaker 06

  Ask her.

• 7:35Amy Poehler?

  And can you do it? Can you whisper it in like a phone call late at night? Can you say, what dress are you gonna wear?

• 7:43Speaker 05

  Hey, Zarna, Zarna wants to know.

• 7:46Amy Poehler?

  I know you guys, your time is limited, so I won't keep you much longer. But just before we go, you are all doing tons of podcasts, hosting them, in them. Like, what advice do you have for me as I launch?

• 8:03Speaker 05

  I just know from knowing you that like, whenever you ask people questions in real life.

• 8:09Speaker 05

  You really are interested and you're just on like the cliff of like giving a hint as to what your opinion is.

• 8:19Speaker 05

  Just, not too much, but just enough so it like, it's really, uh, it just draws you in. So, there's no advice, I'm just like, every time you ask me a question, I'm like, ooh, I think Amy's really asking me a question.

• 8:33Amy Poehler?

  Is it, is it, that sounds kind of leading the witness a little bit.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, it's more like, um, this is gonna be a fun conversation. So, for example, this is not a real thing, but you'd be like, so you really like landing in London, like that's like a good airport to land in?

• 8:50Speaker 05

  And I'm like, oh, something's, this is about to be a conversation about what you don't like about.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  I also think you're very good at not letting, sometimes you help turn people away from the negative narrative that they might want to lay out to you. So you're a really good friend and that you listen, and I think you can tell when people just need to like unburden themselves or something, but I feel like more than maybe anyone else I know, you're very good at saying, can I invite you to look at this a different way?

• 9:18Amy Poehler?

  May I offer you some feedback?

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Not even feedback, it's more like, I just, I, you know, it's not like this is how you should, but like, you're telling me something and I see how you're seeing it, but like, can I just ask you to maybe see it this way where you won't be as hard on yourself and you won't be as sad about it? I don't know, I feel like you've always been very good that way.

• 9:39Amy Poehler?

  Thanks.

• 9:40Speaker 05

  But you know, you don't, you have like a regular voice that you, you're not using right now, do you want to do your real voice?

• 9:47Amy Poehler?

  Oh yeah, I'll do my real voice, okay. Hey guys. Oh, it's so, it was so hard to do my other voice.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  It hurts, right?

• 9:54Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, it hurts, it hurts, anyway. So great that you guys are doing this today.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Uh, I love you and I have to go, I'm so sorry.

• 10:01Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, go, go, I love you, thank you for doing this, Seth.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  I have to go too.

• 10:05Amy Poehler?

  Everyone's gonna go, I, it means the world that you guys did this, thank you for letting me like start, this is like the ground floor, thanks for being there for me with this and so many other things, I can't wait to see you all in person very soon, I really love you guys, thanks so much for doing it.

• 10:20Speaker 05

  Love you.

• 10:21Amy Poehler?

  Love you all, okay, bye guys.

• 10:24Speaker 04

  Bye.

• 10:24Amy Poehler?

  Thank you.

• 10:27Amy Poehler?

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• 11:06Amy Poehler?

  All right, we're going to officially start.

• 11:08Speaker 07

  And begin.

• 11:09Amy Poehler?

  And we need everyone to clap.

• 11:11Speaker 07

  Personality on. It's not working.

• 11:15Amy Poehler?

  We just need to clap. We need you to clap and then count backwards from 10. 10. Tina, thank you for being on the first official podcast that I have ever done for good hang.

• 11:26Speaker 07

  It is my absolute pleasure.

• 11:28Amy Poehler?

  I really, really appreciate it, buddy. You have done many things for me over the years, including getting most of the jobs that I, helping me get most of the jobs that I have and the career that I have, but this means the most.

• 11:39Speaker 07

  This means the most? Okay, great.

• 11:44Amy Poehler?

  But I am kind of nervous.

• 11:45Speaker 07

  Why?

• 11:46Amy Poehler?

  Well, I mean, I guess it's funny to talk to your friends that you've known for so long and then interview them, I guess. But we should probably, I guess we should probably picture this as, like, I'm going to picture that there's a room full of, like, I'm going to picture like there's an audience.

• 12:01Speaker 07

  Okay. And not just Jenna?

• 12:03Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, because it's the only way I can get off. No, I'm just kidding.

• 12:06Speaker 07

  I have to step on your neck and talk to you. You know what else? Sometimes when I hear things like this back, I go, oh, why was my voice so nasal and annoying? So should we just take a little minute to just, hmm, just let's warm up our voices?

• 12:19Amy Poehler?

  Do you remember the character that Keenan did on SNL where he was a guy saying, "Just fix it"? Remember? He was like a, he was like a New Yorker that just kept going, "Fix it"?

• 12:30Speaker 07

  No, I don't remember that.

• 12:31Amy Poehler?

  You don't?

• 12:31Speaker 07

  I remember him saying, "Let me hold that baby." Do you remember that character? Did that air?

• 12:37Amy Poehler?

  I don't know.

• 12:37Speaker 07

  It was a really funny, it was almost like a premise for a short story where he was just like a sweet old man in a train station and then somebody was, a young host was there with her baby and he was, she was like chatting with him and then he just goes, "Let me hold that baby." And it was her dilemma was like, "I don't actually know this man, like should I let him hold my baby? What if he runs away? What if he smashes it like a basketball into the ground? Let me hold that baby."

• 13:00Amy Poehler?

  Okay, but you don't do a lot of podcasts.

• 13:02Speaker 07

  I don't do a lot. I'm very, I'm very selective.

• 13:05Amy Poehler?

  You are.

• 13:05Speaker 07

  In my podcast work.

• 13:06Amy Poehler?

  I appreciate that and you were so good on Bowen and Matt's.

• 13:10Speaker 07

  Oh my gosh, thank you.

• 13:12Amy Poehler?

  It was so funny and good.

• 13:13Speaker 07

  Thank you. I, that is one podcast that I do listen to and enjoy.

• 13:16Amy Poehler?

  Same, love.

• 13:17Speaker 07

  That and Dratch, anything Dratch says.

• 13:20Speaker 07

  Those guys are funny. But I felt a lot of pressure. I went in there knowing like you have to do that one minute thing at the end and I, I, something I think about a lot and I fall short of it constantly, but a million years ago, I was a writer still at SNL and I remember Steve Martin came to do something on the show. He wasn't hosting, but he came to the show and he had just, he had just been on Letterman the night before. And I said, "Oh hi, how you doing?" I said, "Oh my gosh, you were so funny on Letterman last night." And he just very matter-of-factly said, "Oh well, you have to kill every time."

• 13:56Speaker 07

  And that has haunted me every day since. And he's right. And it's like, "Oh right, like if you're a beautiful actress from, I don't know, like Melrose Place, no, just whatever, like you're just a beautiful actress, you can go on and be like, 'I went to the store once,' but if you're a comedy person, you have to kill every time?"

• 14:16Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 07

  Oh god.

• 14:18Amy Poehler?

  Have you ever, I mean, I, I think I know the answer to this, but I feel like I've never got, really gotten a job from an audition, ever.

• 14:25Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 14:26Amy Poehler?

  Do you feel like you've gone into an audition for something and nailed it and been like, "I got it."

• 14:32Speaker 07

  No, no, never. Because again, I'm not really so interesting on paper. Like, I remember going to commercial auditions in Chicago. And we had friends, at that time, Chicago was a thriving town for commercials. I don't know if it still is, but there were, you know, huge ad agencies were based there and they would shoot things in Chicago. And a lot of people that we worked with at Second City would get a lot of work that would pay for their whole year, you know. I did a little bit of voiceover work. I had a pager. Remember, you'd have a pager. Be like, guys, my pager's blowing up. I might have a voiceover audition downtown. I gotta go.

• 15:08Amy Poehler?

  There was a casting director in Chicago, who shall not be named, who was a commercial casting director. And I had kind of wonky teeth.

• 15:19Amy Poehler?

  So it was this kind of thing where we'd go out for this, remember the term bite and smile?

• 15:24Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 15:25Amy Poehler?

  So you'd pretend to bite into a hamburger and then be like, you'd smile.

• 15:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:31Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, and it was, it could change your life if you got a...

• 15:33Speaker 07

  You could pay for like, three years of your low rent.

• 15:36Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. And I knew right away that with my teeth, I was never gonna get a bite and smile. Like, there was no way a brand would be associated with my teeth. And this casting director, just to get to know people, would ask them, what's your most embarrassing moment?

• 15:52Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yes, yeah.

• 15:53Amy Poehler?

  And I had a full, like, I got probably nervous in that moment. But I was like, no, thank you. I like, didn't want to tell her my most embarrassing moment.

• 16:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, because by the way, that's insane.

• 16:07Speaker 07

  Like, that's, that's, that's one of the, that's a tiny, micro version of when we try to explain the 90s to younger people of like, how so many things, you're like, oh, that lady would literally be fired and tried in front of a jury for asking you that in the workplace.

• 16:22Speaker 07

  I had a bite and smile type thing where it was a McDonald's audition. And everything always was like, okay, so take, you know, two trains and a thing and get weighed out to wherever this audition is, then you get there and you, and it was for some new kind of happy, or a drive-through meal, whatever. And I went all the way to the thing, and I got there and I realized, as we were going into the session, like, oh, this, this commercial is for a person pulling into a drive-through? And I have this, you know, scar on the left side of my face that's way faded now, but it was much more prominent then. I was like, similar to the teeth thing, I was like, guess who's not gonna book this pulling up to the drive-thru with my short hair with the perm on top and a big scar? And, uh, and so I just remember in the things being like, pulling into the, like, in the

• 17:07Speaker 07

  chair, like scooting, like I'm in the drive-thru, being like, I'll have the fish filet meal and my scar will have an orange soda, and then just leaving.

• 17:14Amy Poehler?

  You were like, you're not gonna reject me.

• 17:16Speaker 07

  I'm gonna reject you.

• 17:18Amy Poehler?

  I'm gonna reject you.

• 17:18Speaker 07

  It's like, what are we doing here?

• 17:20Amy Poehler?

  Oh, my.

• 17:20Speaker 07

  I traveled forty-five minutes each way.

• 17:22Amy Poehler?

  I mean, we talk about work a lot in, when we're together. I think we work together really well.

• 17:27Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:28Amy Poehler?

  What is your relationship to work and has it changed?

• 17:30Speaker 07

  I, I think it has changed. I am a work-based person. Like, that's, if I were an animal, I would be like a carriage horse, I think. You know, just like, you know how they say like, oh, no, these, or like, some kinds of dogs, like, no, they wanna work, or they'll go insane? So I am, I am that kind of animal, I think. But I also, I have just, just recently, really recently, found that I have, cause I went through such a stretch for so many decades where it was like, you go to work for twelve to thirteen hours, and then you come home and you, you know, you try to be with your family till they go to sleep, and then you're like, then you gotta do your homework.

• 18:09Speaker 07

  And I've only, in the last year or two, had windows of time where like, I don't have homework tonight?

• 18:16Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 18:17Speaker 07

  I can just be a person in this world and maybe like, watch a program?

• 18:21Amy Poehler?

  Do you feel like you can actually enjoy it in that moment?

• 18:24Speaker 07

  I can, although it's still, you know, I think any other writer would say this too, that the only, the closest I can get to joy and peace is like, the thirty-six hours after I've turned something in.

• 18:38Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 18:38Speaker 07

  Cause that's the only time when you're like...

• 18:41Amy Poehler?

  I did it.

• 18:41Speaker 07

  I really, I don't have any homework, but I'm still a very good, good carriage horse because I did my work.

• 18:47Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 18:48Speaker 07

  And then after like thirty-six hours, it creeps back in of like, okay, I'm gonna get notes back, or I'm, I should go step ahead to the next thing. I will say, though, I did go back to work this fall, uh, on a set for the first time in a long time, and it was actually, and I, and I worked hard to build it to be a really healthy set and really, like humane hours, and it was nice to be, um, among other humans and making something. I also was extremely purposeful about bringing together people who I believed were good people, who would not make any trouble for me.

• 19:30Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 19:31Speaker 07

  And it really made a difference.

• 19:34Amy Poehler?

  I feel like that's the, that's success.

• 19:37Speaker 07

  Right, that's a luxury.

• 19:39Amy Poehler?

  Is getting to be, to realize, I only, if I can, wanna work with people who I know will not think that chaos is how to be creative.

• 19:49Speaker 07

  Is how to be creative, and you know, I think, um, uh, as so many TikTok stories, we won't go into which ones, but people are like, hearing about movie sets and being like, that's crazy what's happening there, I was like, that's not that crazy, like, that's

• 20:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 20:01Speaker 07

  pretty, like, movies especially are about just people going crazy and acting out, and then one or two people trying to

• 20:08Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 20:09Speaker 07

  harvest a series of photographs of those people that can be assembled into a film. But it's mostly

• 20:16Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 07

  poorly behaved crazy people being indulged by various parties, and

• 20:21Amy Poehler?

  And we have seen and worked at places, and this is no, you know, big scoop, like SNL is one of them, where people come in with their system of how they like to work, and they're, like, people when they're nervous or insecure are often not at their best, and the way they act is wild because their nervous or insecure.

• 20:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, people get, insecurity makes people behave wildly. I even have learned to realize that, we talk about the relationship to work, that I have now learned that I get very, very grouchy and nervous when something has to be written. Because it is like having a stomach flu.

• 20:59Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:00Speaker 07

  And you're like, it's the sick you feel before you either Eject it one way or the other. And it just really

• 21:07Amy Poehler?

  It's gotta come out one end.

• 21:09Speaker 07

  Grouchy until it comes out. And I can at least see that pattern, but it doesn't prevent it from happening, but I'm like, okay, here's what's happening.

• 21:17Amy Poehler?

  I feel that way about when I'm in a situation where I don't feel like there's a strong leader. Like where I'm being directed by someone who doesn't quite know what they're doing, or there's, but there's no one telling us what to do, like, there's no one in control. I have that grouchy-ness. Where I feel like I'm going to, I'm either gonna have to take over here, or I'm gonna have to dis, like, you know, check out. And I've been in a couple of projects where like, week one, I'm like, oh no. Like, we don't have a captain, like, this ship is going down, and you can see months ahead. How do you, yeah, I don't, you know, how do you, you just kinda, I guess you just watch funny videos in your trailer?

• 21:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think the one way is, yeah, you shut down.

• 21:59Amy Poehler?

  And the other way is you try to clumsily take over and make people uncomfortable?

• 22:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, those are the only two, those are the only two options. They really are.

• 22:09Amy Poehler?

  I know. But like, hold on, I'm gonna take a lip balm break.

• 22:13Speaker 07

  Do it up.

• 22:13Amy Poehler?

  Cause I need, my lips are dry.

• 22:15Speaker 07

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• 22:23Amy Poehler?

  I mean, I guess this is friendship is, is, is letting your friend use their

• 22:28Speaker 07

  I know about this because I have a middle schooler.

• 22:30Amy Poehler?

  I love Lanesh.

• 22:34Amy Poehler?

  I mean, the question is like, how well do you have to know someone to let them stick their finger in your lip balm?

• 22:38Speaker 07

  I'm not shy to do that, I just

• 22:39Amy Poehler?

  Okay, you don't want to?

• 22:40Speaker 07

  I don't want to.

• 22:41Amy Poehler?

  Interesting, well, I'll think about that all day.

• 22:45Speaker 07

  I'm afraid it will wipe off what little color is left.

• 22:47Amy Poehler?

  But you're not a germaphobe.

• 22:48Speaker 07

  I'm not a germaphobe, and I think it's a real unattractive quality in someone else when they're like a germaphobe.

• 22:55Amy Poehler?

  Especially in a man.

• 22:56Speaker 07

  In a man, it is such a

• 22:57Amy Poehler?

  Disgusting.

• 22:58Speaker 07

  Deal breaker.

• 22:59Amy Poehler?

  Like a man who's worried about, like, I don't shake hands, it's like, you're a man.

• 23:03Speaker 07

  Shake hands and then go wash your hands, you freak.

• 23:07Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, you're the one with poop on your hands. Like, who said anything about poop on their hands until you did?

• 23:15Amy Poehler?

  I don't know, I, I, but there's, we know a couple of people that are germaphobes. We have to watch out. That's the thing we have to watch out for in our 50s. Is the thing that was like our cute eccentricity becomes our genuine.

• 23:29Speaker 07

  Mental illness.

• 23:30Amy Poehler?

  The thing that's like, you know how they don't like to drive?

• 23:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:34Amy Poehler?

  Well.

• 23:34Speaker 07

  Well, I was, I got, my license had expired and during the pandemic, you were like, you, it was before the pandemic, you were like, you gotta get your license back. To me, you were like, you can't be one of those older ladies that doesn't drive. And I'm like, you're right, you're right, you're right.

• 23:49Amy Poehler?

  I do feel.

• 23:50Speaker 07

  Now, I love to drive.

• 23:51Amy Poehler?

  You, you.

• 23:52Speaker 07

  I do.

• 23:52Amy Poehler?

  You do, you're good at driving.

• 23:53Speaker 07

  I love it.

• 23:54Amy Poehler?

  And you're, the name of your car is?

• 23:56Speaker 07

  My car is named Karen, because she's a white Subaru.

• 24:02Amy Poehler?

  And I said this before, which is, I feel like Amy came this close to being a Karen.

• 24:07Speaker 07

  Yes, like, that, yeah, because as you've said, like, a lot of the actual worst Karens were in fact named Amy in real life.

• 24:14Amy Poehler?

  The woman that called the guy that was bird watching was named Amy at the same time Amy Coney Barrett was up and running. Or getting up and running. There was a lot going on with Amys. We were, we missed it by an inch.

• 24:25Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's a, it's a real.

• 24:28Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, but I, is there anything you feel like you see me doing that you should, like, I should be careful about?

• 24:35Speaker 07

  Warn you about? That's a good question.

• 24:37Amy Poehler?

  I think that is what women do for each other, is they say like, hey, you know, like, you know the pills that you take for your, for flying? You shouldn't take them.

• 24:46Speaker 07

  When you're not flying.

• 24:49Speaker 07

  Well, my chair made a fart sound, that wasn't me.

• 24:53Speaker 07

  No, I feel like I know what I, what you should tell me about, which is the, especially coming out of the pandemic.

• 25:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 07

  My mumbling, talking.

• 25:03Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, your mumbling.

• 25:04Speaker 07

  Metastasized.

• 25:05Amy Poehler?

  Your mumbling is.

• 25:05Speaker 07

  And sometimes, and I, when I'm thinking really fast, like, it really is, even I'm like, wow, what's going on there? Like, I have to work to fully form my words.

• 25:14Amy Poehler?

  What do you think is going on there?

• 25:15Speaker 07

  I think I stayed home a lot in the pandemic and muttered to myself. And I hope that's it, and not, it's not a precursor to some kind of mental decline.

• 25:23Amy Poehler?

  It was like her muttering started when she was 53.

• 25:26Speaker 07

  And then she became one of the Crumb Brothers from the movie Crumb.

• 25:32Speaker 07

  Everyone pause the podcast, go watch Crumb real quick.

• 25:37Speaker 07

  But I'm trying to think if the, I don't.

• 25:39Amy Poehler?

  Well, I know that, I like, I play this game with my friends, it's a fun game to play together, which is like, what is the version of you that's like your biggest fear you will turn into?

• 25:47Speaker 07

  I know mine exactly.

• 25:48Amy Poehler?

  Okay, what is it?

• 25:51Speaker 07

  How do I say this without saying it?

• 25:55Speaker 07

  I want to write it down and show it to you and you can.

• 25:57Amy Poehler?

  By the way, I have my computer here, you know, because that's what people do with podcasts, is they have their computer.

• 26:01Speaker 07

  Because you're playing Candy Crush the whole time. And you have one window open with porn.

• 26:05Amy Poehler?

  I wish we could do the whole podcast where I say really, like, the wrong information about everything, and then I pretend to look it up and I verify it in front of you. Oh, also, I wish I was just smoking weed the whole time.

• 26:18Amy Poehler?

  What if I just start lit up a joint? Okay.

• 26:26Speaker 07

  Okay. Now, how do I articulate that?

• 26:27Amy Poehler?

  Okay, I would say.

• 26:28Speaker 07

  There's a certain type of strident, older showbiz.

• 26:35Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 26:36Speaker 07

  That's like, "Listen to me, honey, I don't give a fuck." And I'm like, "Oh, God."

• 26:41Amy Poehler?

  But that's so, not you, you're a mutterer.

• 26:44Speaker 07

  I'm a mutterer, so it's not, but there's also something about the look of it that's, as often as I say, like, "I'm gonna cut my hair," and my friend Guy has been doing my hair for 30 years, he's like, "No. No, you may not."

• 26:55Amy Poehler?

  Well, you have the best hair in the biz.

• 26:58Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 26:59Amy Poehler?

  People should know this.

• 27:00Speaker 07

  Let's get Grandma a hair campaign.

• 27:02Amy Poehler?

  This is all Tina's hair.

• 27:04Speaker 07

  This is all my hair, thank you, and much like skinny people who are mad about Ozempic, in the, in the early 2000s, when all these bitches started wearing tracks, I was like, "What?

• 27:15Speaker 07

  You could just have what I have? This is all I have."

• 27:18Amy Poehler?

  It is, it is the most incredible real hair I've ever seen.

• 27:21Speaker 07

  We just did this, I just did this show called The Four Seasons that's coming out in May, and there's a scene, it's based on this old movie with Alan Alda and Carol Burnett, and there's a scene in the old movie where Carol Burnett, Carol Burnett is very angrily brushing her short hair, which is so, it's like the most 1981 thing ever, like, first of all, we know, like, you don't vigorously brush short. Hair, it's gonna look terrible. But she's in the scene, she's fighting and she's brushing her hair. And I put the, that's just a little bit of that in the, in the show, I just put myself in the eye. And, um, and I kept saying, Coleman Domingo was directing that episode. And I kept saying like, Coleman, I'll tell you what, a lot of these movie stars, they can act better than me, but they can't brush their hair on camera, cuz they're all wearing fucking wigs.

• 28:05Speaker 07

  And they're all wearing, and so I like, I was like insisted in the edit that a couple shots of me brushing my hair stayed in. And then I went to the mix and I was like, oh, did you turn down the, the sound, sound of my hair brushing? Turn it back up.

• 28:19Amy Poehler?

  And that's, that's what producing is.

• 28:22Speaker 07

  That's all, that's what producing is. It's insanity and narcissism.

• 28:26Amy Poehler?

  And it's like, turn up my hair brush.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  Turn up the sound of the brush going through my hair.

• 28:30Amy Poehler?

  And people go, we don't need it. And you go, we do need it.

• 28:32Speaker 07

  We do need it.

• 28:34Speaker 08

  Oh, you sound horrible. Oh, I feel worse. This flu is not playing around.

• 28:39Speaker 09

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• 28:45Speaker 00

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• 28:50Speaker 09

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• 28:52Speaker 00

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• 29:01Amy Poehler?

  But you have incredible hair. I feel like you should have a hair campaign. And also, I always am pushing you to have a glasses line. Why do you not have a glasses?

• 29:11Speaker 07

  I, I don't have a glasses line because I have to say.

• 29:15Amy Poehler?

  You hate money?

• 29:16Speaker 07

  I do kind of hate money. I'm, as we know, I'm terrible with, I'm terrible with money only in that I'm like.

• 29:22Amy Poehler?

  You are not terrible.

• 29:23Speaker 07

  No, I'm not terrible. I don't waste money, but I don't get excited about money. If like, if I, if I'm safe and my, I have enough money to live, I, I have a problem with rich people having a side hustle.

• 29:35Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, you mean like a podcast or something?

• 29:37Speaker 07

  No, that's as you're doing work. I'm saying if you, if you sold like, um, where would my line be for you? Where would I draw the line?

• 29:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, if I had a, if I had a rosé.

• 29:49Speaker 07

  If you, yeah.

• 29:50Amy Poehler?

  You know what I mean?

• 29:51Speaker 07

  If you already have like, 200 million dollars and you're like, "Also, I need you to..."

• 29:56Amy Poehler?

  But Tina, that is, this is where you have to learn from Gen Z. I'm sorry, and we have to.

• 30:01Speaker 07

  They don't care. They don't, they don't judge it.

• 30:03Amy Poehler?

  They don't judge it.

• 30:03Speaker 07

  I judge it.

• 30:04Amy Poehler?

  Well, get, you should stop because this is the thing, that you have to have a million, you have to have glasses.

• 30:11Speaker 07

  Yeah. Well, I have my line of children's medications.

• 30:15Amy Poehler?

  And I told you, that's so treacherous.

• 30:17Speaker 07

  No, by the way, one time, a million years ago, I remember seeing, and I won't name this actress, but someone could figure it out, I remember seeing an 80's actress promoting her line of homeopathic children's medications. I was like, "Why on this earth would I trust an actress..."

• 30:35Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 30:35Speaker 07

  "...for pediatric medications?"

• 30:40Amy Poehler?

  To give to my child.

• 30:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:42Amy Poehler?

  You're saying you worry about turning into a woman, as we get older, as you get older, that is like, a strident, opinionated, "Here's how it works, babe..."

• 30:54Speaker 07

  Right.

• 30:54Amy Poehler?

  ...kind of person.

• 30:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, and just fighting everybody.

• 30:57Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 07

  And just...

• 31:00Amy Poehler?

  Because I just think, I just think as an exercise, it's fun to think about our personalities, like, what, the thing that like, got us here, that are here, sitting in front, like, you and I are lucky enough to have a lot of years behind us, hopefully more years in front of us, in, working, getting to try all this different stuff. We're at a point in our lives where we get to, we're like, in this juicy middle, where we have either parents who have passed away, or aging parents, we have kids who are like, coming into their own, we're right in the middle of life. Let's be honest, we're more at two-thirds in middle, but we like to say we're middle, although I'm gonna live to 100. And, um...

• 31:38Speaker 07

  God forbid.

• 31:40Amy Poehler?

  Wait, you don't want to live to 100?

• 31:42Speaker 07

  No. Unless there's some amazing. There will be. Okay, we'll see. Like new lungs, there'll be a whole thing. Money only can fix your eighties and nineties so much. That is the thing, we've traveled on, we've, we've hung around a lot of wealthy, older people and the, the thing that they cannot get over is that they're gonna die. Yeah. Like that's the thing, they can't believe. But who's, but who's your guy? Who do I call? Yeah, and it's like, no one. You call God. Yeah. You call him on the phone and say. Yeah, but sorry, I, I interrupted you. He says, welcome to hell. And God says, welcome to hell. Um, okay, um, but, but do you wanna talk about, um, Four Seasons for a second, by the way? Sure.

• 32:24Speaker 07

  Because it is coming out and Coleman Domingo is a prince on this earth. Oof. An angel on this earth. God. So talented, so beautiful. Gorgeous. Inside and out, like a beautiful human being. Hmm. Um, yes, so we're doing this show, The Four Seasons, on Netflix. I'm very excited about it. It is, um, based on this nineteen eighty-one movie that was written and directed by Alan Alda, another angel on this earth. Can I tell people that I said hello to Alan Alda at your house recently? Alan Alda came to my house! That was pretty cool. Alan and Arlene Alda, it was a real. His lovely wife. Momentous occurrence, yeah. I mean, Alan Alda was huge in our lives. Yeah, he, he remains huge, yeah, and he, he's such a big deal, like you can't even imagine what a giant, do you remember the Super Emmy?

• 33:09Speaker 07

  I know. One year, one year, they gave out a Super Emmy, so it was like. It was called a Super Emmy? It was called a Super Emmy, and he's the only person that ever got it, cuz it was like, they won like, best show, best directing, best script, um, script, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and the Super Emmy goes to Alan Alda, and everyone was like, okay, that's enough of the Super Emmy. They only did it once? I think they only did it once. And is it, was it bigger than a regular Emmy? You have to have, you should call, you should have him on the podcast. Oh, he has a great podcast, too. I have listened to his podcast, it's one of the few that have penetrated my fortress, that's what she said. Um, I would love to talk about it, cuz it was a truly joyous experience, top to bottom, like, one of the things I'm most proud about of this whole thing was that, um, so

• 33:52Speaker 07

  many people, actors and crew, came up to me and were like, this is the most pleasant job we've ever had. Oh, that's nice. Um, and it was, like I said, it was built as intentionally as possible to be all good souls, um, and, uh.

• 34:07Speaker 07

  It's Coleman, a beautiful Italian actor named Marco Calvani, Steve Carell, Will Forte, Carrie Kinney Silver, and Erica Henningson. And it's basically that little ensemble is pretty much, that's it. Very few day players, very few, like no real, very few guest stars. And so it was a really cozy environment. And it's a very, very gentle program that I am kind of, just can't wait to see if people are interested in a gentle, a good hang. It hopefully is the TV equivalent of a good hang. Cause it's just, you know, there's some story, but there's no zombies, there's no mysteries. Great.

• 34:47Amy Poehler?

  That's exactly, truly what we're trying to do here because I can't, my nervous system, well, two, two things. My nervous system cannot take it compared to the rest of the world.

• 34:57Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 34:57Amy Poehler?

  And also, I feel like there's this weird, sometimes, I mean, you are the exact, you're the example of, of, of, of not doing this, I think. You like, everything you make is hard jokes and hard comedy and always really, really funny. But a lot of times women specifically are asked to like, be like nurturing caretakers in spaces, like be teachers and, and, and, and, and when we were thinking about this podcast, it was like, I, I, all the guys get to just like goof around and have fun. And it'd be like straight comedy escapism. And our stuff has to be, I don't know, about menopause, which also is important.

• 35:38Speaker 07

  Yeah. This is, I mean, for the, for the people who want a hundred jokes per minute, this is a departure. These characters are funny and, but it's all completely human scale.

• 35:49Amy Poehler?

  Ooh, I love that.

• 35:51Speaker 07

  We shall see. And I, I feel like it is just a little science experiment where people might be like, no.

• 35:56Amy Poehler?

  But TV doesn't really, like, there's no TV anymore, right? It's all just like articles about TV.

• 36:01Speaker 07

  Right. It's just, it's listicles. It's AI-generated listicles.

• 36:06Amy Poehler?

  It's TikTok about TV shows that aren't on. So what is the thing that you do? Where do you go to escape? What is like the video that you watch? The person that you watch? What is making you laugh?

• 36:17Speaker 07

  I have a couple of things that I like to watch. One of the things I like to watch is, and again, I'm gonna keep referencing TikTok. I am not a public account. You don't find me, don't look for me.

• 36:26Amy Poehler?

  Right, if anyone's pretending to be you, they're fake.

• 36:29Speaker 07

  It's fake, yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 07

  But I like to watch videos of people either doing or learning or trying to teach Beyonce's homecoming dance break. So either someone who can do it, or I love it when it's a person who you don't expect them to be able to do it, and then they do it.

• 36:48Amy Poehler?

  Like they're holding like a laundry basket?

• 36:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, so they're just like, yeah, they're a mom in their laundry room, and then they do it. I have tried to watch tutorials to try to do. I'm not a great dancer, and I know that if I was given from now to the end of my life, I could not learn the first sixteen counts of that dance.

• 37:08Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 07

  But I love watching people do it. And then the other day, I was watching a whole bunch of people doing it, and it took me, one guy was like a really beautiful ripped guy in like shorts, no shirt, doing it. And I was like, oh, this is a new layer of this. And then the algorithm was like, oh, you watch that? So you just wanna see videos that are just like hashtag rugby build? And it was just like, guys with a rugby build? And I was like, I think I do wanna watch this.

• 37:37Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, Paul Meskell started that. Like, he's the ultimate famous rugby build. And then have you seen in rugby where they have to pick each other up?

• 37:47Speaker 07

  Wrestle each other?

• 37:48Amy Poehler?

  Underwear?

• 37:51Amy Poehler?

  No, so in rugby, there's a move where they, the men, to get the other one taller, you know, like to basically, it's almost like if you're hoisting somebody up.

• 38:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:04Amy Poehler?

  They grab basically their shorts and underwear.

• 38:08Speaker 07

  So weird.

• 38:08Amy Poehler?

  And then they, that's how they get it up. And there's videos, and I'm not saying that my algorithm hasn't necessarily taken up on this, but I have seen them enough to now I do get them. Where men, where men grab each other by the waist. It's very feminine. It's actually like, it almost looks like a, yes, it looks like a lift.

• 38:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:28Amy Poehler?

  But they grab each other and lift each other up, and then their penis.

• 38:34Speaker 07

  Their dicks are right in the line of their face. But it's totally fine. I mean, it's fine either way. Of course it is. I just mean that everyone's happy, there's no, everyone's doing exactly what they want to do. Yeah. And it's in, these are in slow motion. Yes. Yeah, I wasn't mad about that, that change in my algorithm. And, okay, so another thing that I really do, the only other television program that truly brings me joy is my weekend local news in the morning. Wow. I love, and by the way, they know this and they're probably like, stop talking about us, it's getting weird. Who are your anchors?

• 39:17Speaker 07

  NBC 4, Pat Battle, Gus Rosendale. It is, I find to be the most truly informative, nice program on the whole week. Here's what you get, Amy, you get your news, you get your national news briefly, you get your local news, mostly local, right? Okay. Then you get Produce Pete. Oh, I love Produce Pete. Nice old Italian man, comes out, tells you what's in season, what to make with it, incredible. Then, it used to be more frequently before the pandemic, before the pandemic, he used to be in person. Bill's books, nice gentleman named Bill, come tells you what he read, what he liked about it, what he recommends that you read.

• 40:00Speaker 07

  Before the pandemic, they also then used to sometimes be like, here are some animals that are up for adoption. I feel like that's gone away. But that's it. And then the weather and the traffic and, and Pat Battle and Gus, I believe they're friends, they have a wonderful rapport. You don't know what their deal is? I mean, I don't think they're more than friends, if that's what you're implying. I would never. But I feel like they, they like being coworkers. What a great name too, Pat Battle. Pat Battle, have I, listen, one time it was like a hurricane or something, a blizzard, Pat Battle went out in the street. In her hometown, she went out in where she lives in New Jersey and she was helping people push their cars.

• 40:36Amy Poehler?

  That's cool.

• 40:38Speaker 07

  That, look, that is what America should be. Okay, it's a, it's Pat, it's Gus, it's Produce Pete, it's Bill's books, we help our neighbors.

• 40:50Speaker 07

  That's the America I want to live in.

• 40:52Amy Poehler?

  Um, if you've got Battle in the last name, you gotta push somebody's car.

• 40:55Speaker 07

  Listen, have I invited Pat Battle to events? A hundred percent. Like, too many times. Does she show up? Yes. We have a good time? Great.

• 41:03Amy Poehler?

  So you've met Pat Battle?

• 41:04Speaker 07

  I've met Pat Battle.

• 41:05Amy Poehler?

  And, and what, what was that like? Did sparks fly?

• 41:08Speaker 07

  I mean, she was, like, thought it was pretty funny that I keep bothering her, that I'm obsessed with her. But Pat Battle's in an episode of Three Rock.

• 41:18Amy Poehler?

  Oh, really? As herself?

• 41:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, we did one episode, uh, where Liz Lemon gets invited to like a women in media luncheon. And then, of course, like, the gag is that they can't, they have a big screen and they can't figure out to get it to work. And then all women are all like, "Turn it on and off again."

• 41:35Speaker 07

  And like, but it's like, it was like Pat Battle, Gayle King, um, a couple other news ladies. And Andrea Martin played like the lady who was running it and she, her character has a breakdown in the middle of the thing and she's talking about how her husband left her and she's like, I just remember she had some line where she was like, "I put a," my Andrea Martin impression, get ready. "I put a sweater on a body pillow and I took it for a canoe ride." Like, everyone, all the women lose their minds at the women in media luncheon.

• 42:04Amy Poehler?

  Tina, that makes total sense to me that that is your, like, fun.

• 42:08Speaker 07

  That makes me feel nice. And I'm also, I'm drinking coffee, I'm with Jeff, it's the morning.

• 42:12Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 42:13Speaker 07

  Everything hasn't gone to shit yet. And then- The weekend's all, the weekend plans are all possible.

• 42:18Amy Poehler?

  But the news, but that's a new, but the news is-

• 42:19Speaker 07

  It's local. Listen, it's local. It is, it's local.

• 42:22Amy Poehler?

  But even the local is brutal.

• 42:23Speaker 07

  Oh, everything's on fire. Yeah, but then it's also like, there's a food festival. On City Island.

• 42:29Amy Poehler?

  And Produce Pete's like, "Check out these artichokes."

• 42:32Speaker 07

  He's like, "Betty's gonna make the squash pie called Mutzaguts."

• 42:39Amy Poehler?

  Speaking of Betty, people should know that that's what I call you.

• 42:41Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 42:42Amy Poehler?

  That's my nickname for you.

• 42:43Speaker 07

  You called me that in front of Colin Jost the other day, and he seemed very delighted.

• 42:47Amy Poehler?

  He, I can't believe he didn't know that.

• 42:49Speaker 07

  Well.

• 42:50Amy Poehler?

  We're, we're right now not-

• 42:51Speaker 07

  He's not thinking about us enough.

• 42:52Amy Poehler?

  No. Does he, does, he doesn't know what we call each other?

• 42:55Speaker 07

  In private?

• 42:56Amy Poehler?

  Jost, who, talk about, talk about an arc. Jost, when we met Jost-

• 43:01Speaker 07

  Did you say a narc or an arc?

• 43:02Amy Poehler?

  An arc.

• 43:03Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 43:03Amy Poehler?

  Talk about a narc.

• 43:05Speaker 07

  What a narc.

• 43:05Amy Poehler?

  I was smoking weed and Jost called the police and I was like, "Fucking narc." No, um, talk about having an arc. Baby Jost, as we used to call him.

• 43:15Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:15Amy Poehler?

  We met him, we went up to Harvard, the Harvard Lampoon.

• 43:20Speaker 07

  Oh, see, that's where we met him?

• 43:22Amy Poehler?

  That's, I think, where I met him. Did you meet him?

• 43:24Speaker 07

  I, I have a terrible memory. I remember I hated every minute being at the Harvard Lampoon.

• 43:28Amy Poehler?

  Boy, me too.

• 43:28Speaker 07

  I hated it. What a bunch of dorks.

• 43:30Amy Poehler?

  Maybe we should just tell the story. So, the Harvard Lampoon invites you up and they kind of roast you.

• 43:37Speaker 07

  They invite you to come up, and then you go there, and then a bunch of like, snivelly little worms.

• 43:43Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 07

  Like, by the way, like, try to roast you. And they're not good at it.

• 43:48Amy Poehler?

  No, they're not good at it. But you and I, many times, over the years, many times, have had this moment where we turned to each other and loved or hated something at the same time. And this was definitely the example where we both were like, we're not, we don't like this. And they make you go through this kind of initiation. And, I mean, I, I wasn't in a sorority in college.

• 44:07Speaker 07

  No, me neither.

• 44:08Amy Poehler?

  And, um, I don't get it. So, but they made you go through a whole thing, and then they brought us into a big giant room, and they kind of roasted us.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:16Amy Poehler?

  And, we had, we had, I think we had a lot of fun in how much we, like, did not engage.

• 44:23Speaker 07

  We all didn't like it, yeah.

• 44:24Amy Poehler?

  Didn't like it. And, but, but Baby Jost was there.

• 44:27Speaker 07

  He was the bee, okay.

• 44:28Amy Poehler?

  I don't, I don't remember him, uh, we didn't get a Jost roast, but-

• 44:31Speaker 07

  No, he was, he was always in-

• 44:33Amy Poehler?

  But he went on to, um-

• 44:35Speaker 07

  I don't remember any of the actual people that roasted us.

• 44:37Amy Poehler?

  I remember the face of one guy.

• 44:40Speaker 07

  And has he, has he gone on to work in comedy?

• 44:42Amy Poehler?

  I don't believe he has.

• 44:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:44Amy Poehler?

  I, I, since then, you know why? Cause I, you and I both have like, blue collar, um-

• 44:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:51Amy Poehler?

  Uh, I guess, rage? What, what would you call it? Like, or- At at at worst, chip on her shoulder, at best, maybe.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  You're not better than me, yeah.

• 45:00Amy Poehler?

  I remember having two more Harvard experiences and both involved what I felt like like like sniveling guys roasting me because um uh one was uh the uh hasty pudding where you really do kind of, you know, you know what you're getting into and they kind of come out and roast you.

• 45:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, why why isn't everyone just like, no, nerds, thanks, no thanks. Why does anyone go?

• 45:27Amy Poehler?

  I don't know, but I really did my homework on that one and I had really good jokes that I was proud of.

• 45:32Speaker 07

  Oh, that's good.

• 45:32Amy Poehler?

  And I really crushed them. And then I was asked to give like one of those speeches at Harvard and one of the kids, um I mean, I've gotten this more than once and I hope this isn't awkward for you, for me to say it in front of you, but definitely like people like to say like, you're, you know, you're the poor man's Tina Fey.

• 45:51Speaker 07

  Oh, God.

• 45:51Amy Poehler?

  I know. And so, um but this kid said it before, right before I went up, so I gave him the finger, which everyone was shocked about and I don't know if it was the right, I mean, I mean, I did it, I guess.

• 46:05Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:06Amy Poehler?

  But I go, fuck you. And again, I was like, you're on a dais, Amy. Like, this is a, this is, but then fuck Harvard. Yeah, fuck Harvard. Fuck Harvard.

• 46:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:14Amy Poehler?

  I mean, those fucking assholes. But um but I'm just, but thank you for inviting me. It was a real honor.

• 46:22Speaker 07

  Don't lose my number forever. Go fuck yourselves.

• 46:24Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, definitely is the kind of thing where like people go to award shows and they get mad that they're getting the award. It's like, if you really, if you really don't like it, don't go.

• 46:30Speaker 07

  Don't go.

• 46:31Amy Poehler?

  But I did go and was happy to give a speech. Um, okay. Lastly.

• 46:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:35Amy Poehler?

  Just to kind of get started on this podcast, I had on Zoom, I had Dratch, Seth and Fred and Zarna.

• 46:42Speaker 07

  Uh huh.

• 46:43Amy Poehler?

  And they all got on a Zoom and I said, I'm interviewing Tina. What should I ask her?

• 46:47Speaker 07

  Oh, my gosh.

• 46:48Amy Poehler?

  And it was great because everyone was very excited and of course, I just want you to know, the most hilarious thing was Dratch could not get her laptop to turn on or her headphones to work. And then while we were recording, the doorbell rang and her dog's dog started barking because she had ordered food. So, there wasn't much content that we can use.

• 47:07Speaker 07

  So, were there questions for that?

• 47:09Amy Poehler?

  But the one question, there were a couple of questions, which is, what makes you laugh? We went into that.

• 47:12Speaker 07

  What makes me laugh? We didn't really get into that.

• 47:14Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 07

  We watched For Comfort. The thing that made me laugh the hardest, most recently, was this clip of Bobby Moynihan from, they did these really great SNL documentaries, and it was a documentary about auditioning for SNL, and it was people, and you were in it, you were great in it, and they talked to people about the process of auditioning, and then they show them their audition back. And people get emotional, people, you know, they've never seen it, or they're like, oh my gosh, this is from 50 years ago, or whatever. And they showed, they made Bobby watch his audition back, and he's doing a character that's, in his audition, that's just beyond inappropriate. And he's watching it, and he's watching it, and he goes, "Oh, no."

• 47:57Speaker 07

  And then he just goes, "Oh, Bobby." And the way he says, "Oh, Bobby," the way he calls himself by name is so gentle and so, it made me laugh so hard, and I, I think it should be the TikTok sound that people play, like, when you have to, you have to see a piece of comedy that you're like, okay, we did, we realized now that that's not okay. You just show the content and just hear Bobby, hear the voice of Bobby going, "Oh, Bobby." And that's how you apologize for problematic content in the past. You just put the "Oh, Bobby" sound over it, and it means, "I see it, I'm sorry, let's all move forward."

• 48:32Amy Poehler?

  "I know better now."

• 48:33Speaker 07

  "I know better now."

• 48:34Amy Poehler?

  "I do better now."

• 48:35Speaker 07

  "I'm an ally who makes mistakes."

• 48:37Amy Poehler?

  "Oh, Bobby."

• 48:37Speaker 07

  "Oh, Bobby."

• 48:38Amy Poehler?

  "Oh, Bobby."

• 48:39Speaker 07

  That really made me laugh, I couldn't stop watching it.

• 48:42Amy Poehler?

  You can make that, get that audio, you should trademark that audio and make merch. And then, the other thing that Zarna had, Zarna was like, "You never get asked, Tina never gets asked girly questions," which is so funny. I mean, do you feel like you don't get asked girly questions?

• 48:56Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 48:58Amy Poehler?

  I know, like...

• 48:58Speaker 07

  Like, what's my skincare routine?

• 49:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 07

  Nothing.

• 49:03Amy Poehler?

  I mean...

• 49:04Speaker 07

  Do nothing, nothing, nothing, and then expensive lasers.

• 49:08Amy Poehler?

  Fred wanted to know.

• 49:12Amy Poehler?

  Fred's like, oh, also by the way, you know Fred does a great Tina impression.

• 49:16Speaker 07

  No!

• 49:16Amy Poehler?

  You've never seen his.

• 49:17Speaker 07

  No, I've never seen it.

• 49:18Amy Poehler?

  What do you mean? I feel like he's done it to you. He does a thing where he, he, he's like a mum, he mumbles. But when he comes up, the thing about Fred Armisen, his impressions are never, like, they never make you feel bad.

• 49:29Speaker 07

  Yes, yeah.

• 49:30Amy Poehler?

  At least, in my experience, like, they just feel like they're kind.

• 49:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:34Amy Poehler?

  Which is hard to do, but he comes up with like a script. You've seen this.

• 49:38Speaker 07

  I maybe, I don't know.

• 49:40Amy Poehler?

  The physicality, it's more physicality than anything else where he comes up with a script and he goes, "Hey buddy, um, just wanna like..." And you're giving a thought with the script, holding the script to your body, and you can't hear what you're saying.

• 49:55Speaker 07

  I'm like, what percentage Tina Belcher am I?

• 49:59Amy Poehler?

  Well, remember Shy Ronnie, Andy Samberg's character on that? Maybe he was a little shy Ronnie. Anyway, Fred wanted to know, last question, maybe we can talk about this before you go.

• 50:08Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 50:08Amy Poehler?

  Is your dad, like, a really good artist?

• 50:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 50:13Amy Poehler?

  Really good at caricatures? Do you have any of that artistic ability?

• 50:16Speaker 07

  I wish I had more. I think both my daughters have it. I, I do in the summer, I go to Fire Island in the summer, and I like to paint portraits in my free time, and they are terrible. And they're, like, they're getting slightly better, but not, not at a rate, um, that would impress, like, they're terrible.

• 50:35Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 50:35Speaker 07

  Um, but I love, cause it's the only thing I wanna paint is to, I wanna try to capture people's faces, people like, that I love. And, um, uh, I should take some classes because of course the problem is I don't draw the head right, and then they, they come out like, sometimes I kind of like how wonky they come out, but, um, uh, no, of the four people in my immediate family, I am the least, uh, talented at art.

• 51:03Amy Poehler?

  Hmm.

• 51:03Speaker 07

  Uh, my daughters are very talented. Jeff is very, uh, can draw and paint. Um, but, uh, but can I just quickly, my favorite, the story of when my dad, who loved coming up to visit SNL, it was like Fred's, one of his first few shows, and my dad was coming up and visiting, and he was like standing in 8H while we were getting ready to rehearse "Update" at that like 5 o'clock time, and Fred was in a costume for some other sketch. He was in a tuxedo, and my dad had not met him yet, and he just came up to my dad and was in a tuxedo, and just came up to my dad in character, just going, "This is Rainbow Room?"

• 51:39Speaker 07

  I'm, I, I look for Rainbow Room. See, I can't tell the story because I can't, I shouldn't be doing this accent, but Fred, I guess, can do it.

• 51:44Amy Poehler?

  We'll get a robot to do it.

• 51:45Speaker 07

  Get a robot to do it. But it was so funny.

• 51:47Amy Poehler?

  And your dad was like, what?

• 51:49Speaker 07

  Loved it.

• 51:49Amy Poehler?

  Oh, he loved it.

• 51:50Speaker 07

  And he used to paint little portraits, little caricatures of Fred as like Ferrisito, as Prince, and he would mail them to me and I would give them to Fred. And I think Fred still has one, which is, I think, what, what made him think of that question.

• 52:01Amy Poehler?

  No way.

• 52:02Speaker 07

  He was Fred's biggest fan.

• 52:03Amy Poehler?

  Oh, Don Faye has great taste. Like, he's a great artist.

• 52:07Speaker 07

  Smart artist.

• 52:07Amy Poehler?

  Cool guy. Really cool guy. And, um, coming back around, if, if Fred has Don Faye originals, I have, um, in my children's bedrooms, I have paintings done by Barbara Joest, Colin Joest's grandmother.

• 52:23Speaker 07

  That's awesome.

• 52:25Amy Poehler?

  So it's back to Joest. Uh, if you are listening to this, when it comes out, Tina and I are going to be on the road.

• 52:30Speaker 07

  Yes, look for us at a, at a theatrical venue near you.

• 52:33Amy Poehler?

  We have a bunch of dates and all over the U.S. and it's been so fun. And we're going to have our buddies out there with us.

• 52:38Speaker 07

  Is it TinaAmy, TinaAmy.com? TinaandAmy.com?

• 52:41Amy Poehler?

  You would think I would know.

• 52:42Speaker 07

  We would know.

• 52:43Amy Poehler?

  I think so. I think it is TinaandAmy.com.

• 52:46Speaker 07

  I think so.

• 52:46Amy Poehler?

  Um, but, uh, go check it out. Check out our dates. Come see us and, um, hopefully, um, we'll continue to work together for another 30 years.

• 52:55Speaker 07

  I hope so.

• 52:56Amy Poehler?

  Me too. Love you.

• 52:57Speaker 07

  I love you too.

• 52:58Amy Poehler?

  Thank you.

• 53:00Amy Poehler?

  So, you know, that's our first episode of Good Hang. Thank you, Tina, for coming. I did actually learn. I did learn that she, learned things that I didn't know after 30 years, that she obviously is in a, in an emotional affair with her local newscasters. And that's a problem. And I should let her husband know. Um, we are at a, um, a point in the show, the end of the show, where we're going to do something called the Polar Plunge, which is, um, really simply, I'm going to talk about stuff that makes me laugh. And like where we're finding joy and lightness these days. And so to add to that, before we go, I just want to say that check out my favorite sketch on SNL, the one that I return to over and over again.

• 53:45Amy Poehler?

  During COVID, during tough times in my life, when I was feeling especially down, the first Debbie Downer, the Lindsay Lohan episode when they're at Disneyland. That sketch, to me, is the perfect example of how a good laugh can completely change your day, your week, your life. And why it is so funny to me. Is that the great Rachel Dratch, whose comedic stylings and physical comedy we experienced at the beginning of this episode, when she couldn't get her headphones on. When Rachel is trying to stick the landing and get those jokes out, and we know that it's going to be followed by the sound effect, and the audience has this moment where we're

• 54:26Amy Poehler?

  all in it together, that moment is still thrilling to watch. So do yourself a favor, because, yes, Rachel cracks up, and you know, when people crack up, it can be funny, or sometimes it can be annoying, or whatever. And you know, I grew up with Carol Burnett, and like, loved watching the play that they all had, and how they were all trying to kind of get each other to laugh. But what's so funny about Debbie Downer in that scene, and why I truly watch it for serotonin boost, is because Rachel knows what's coming, and she tries her best to keep a straight face. And that, she's like bursting like a silent

• 55:09Amy Poehler?

  film star. And anyway, that's what's making me laugh today.

• 55:14Amy Poehler?

  You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Aleah Zanaris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.