Hannah Montana

This year marks 20 years since Hannah Montana premiered on the Disney Channel. The show made a global phenomenon of star Miley Cyrus and her pop-star alter ego. It's been streamed millions of hours since going off the air, and influenced the next generation of pop stars like Chappell Roan and Sabrina Carpenter. With the new Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special on Disney Plus, we figured it’s a good time to look back at the legacy of the show, and where it fits into Miley’s career. Follow Pop Culture Happy Hour on Letterboxd at https://letterboxd.com/nprpopculture/letterboxd.com/nprpopculture http://letterboxd.com/nprpopculture See pcm.adswizz.com https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy https://www.npr.org/about-npr/179878450/privacy-policy

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  This year marks 20 years since Hannah Montana premiered on the Disney Channel. The show made a global phenomenon of star Miley Cyrus and her pop star alter ego. It's been streamed millions of hours since going off the air and influenced the next generation of pop stars like Chapel Roan. I'm Stephen Thompson, and today we are talking about Hannah Montana on Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR.

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  Joining us today is NPR Music Reporter Isabella Gomez Sarmiento. Hey, Isabella. Howdy. Glad to have you. Also with us is the former host of Slate's internet culture podcast I See YMI and former Pop Culture Happy Hour producer Candace Lim. Hey, Candace.

• 2:38Speaker 05

  Hello.

• 2:39Stephen Thompson?

  Oh, great to have you back, buddy. All right, for those of you who have not seen Hannah Montana, it was a TV sitcom about a girl named Miley Stewart, humble teenager by day, massive pop star by night. Miley Stewart was played, of course, by a young Miley Cyrus, who starred alongside her country singer father Billy Ray Cyrus. As the show went along, Miley's double life grew more complicated as more of her friends discovered her secret. But her best friend Lily, played by Emily Osment, finds out in the very first episode.

• 3:11Speaker 06

  Hey, I have a lucky bracelet just like that. I loaned it to my best friend yesterday. Of course, mine says Lily on the back. Just like that.

• 3:22Speaker 06

  Ta-da.

• 3:24Stephen Thompson?

  Hannah Montana spawned a feature film, bestselling albums, and so much merchandise. And it laid the groundwork for Miley Cyrus's own superstar career, which required her to pivot away from kid-friendly pop. In the Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special, which recently dropped on Disney+ Miley Cyrus revisits the Hannah Montana set, where she's interviewed by podcaster Alex Cooper and visited by fellow pop stars Selena Gomez, who knows a little something about life as a Disney Channel star, and Chapel Rohn. So we figured it's a good time to look back on 20 years of Hannah Montana. Candace Lim, I know you to be someone with a more than passing interest in this subject. Give me your big-picture thoughts on Hannah Montana and what that whole phenomenon has

• 4:09Stephen Thompson?

  meant to you.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  Well, first off, ho-down, throw-down is my Mo Bamba, okay? I hear it today, I hear it in 2080, we're dancing.

• 4:29Speaker 05

  Hannah Montana was everything to me. You know, it was the first episode of TV I ever bought on like my iTunes, iBook G4. I remember being obsessed with it immediately because it came out around the same time like we first got Wi-Fi at home. And so there was something very 360 about it where I think Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus, was the first like full-blown parasocial celebrity relationship I ever had. I sent her fan mail. I was like on MileyWorld.com. Part of my lore is that I was catfish on MileyWorld.com. We save that for plus. We save that for plus. But it was a situation of like, you know, you watch the episode on TV, you go to school, you talk about it, you listen to Radio Disney on the way home, you go online, you play Oliver's Treasure Hunt on DisneyChannel.com.

• 5:12Speaker 05

  And it just, it was so easy to kind of be obsessed with this world. But I also think part of that is just the fact that part of the intrigue around her is that everyone wants to know more about the pop star and like who they are underneath. Well, that's Miley Stewart. That's what the show is about. And then one layer under that, we have Miley Cyrus, who I think was and is a perfect celebrity. I think one thing I gained from this special is that she's so funny. I forget that Miley Cyrus is so funny.

• 5:39Speaker 07

  Hard agree.

• 5:40Speaker 08

  I did something really gnarly. My favorite thing to get at Panda Express was the white rice and pour Diet Coke on top. Instead of soy sauce, I knew Diet Coke. It's a whole thing.

• 5:48Speaker 05

  She's a comedian. Hannah Montana is everything. Hannah Montana is forever. And I am Hannah Montana. I'm not.

• 5:54Speaker 08

  Could I?

• 5:57Stephen Thompson?

  Okay, how about you, Issa?

• 5:58Speaker 07

  I grew up watching Hannah Montana. Definitely very formative. I think she, I mean, this was the whole point of the show, right? She was my first relatable pop diva. But at the same time, it was like you could be her. I think she made millions of little girls think that they too were destined for Disney Channel original series greatness, which is something that I've recently heard like one of my current favorite pop stars, Audrey Hobart, talk about. Like you would watch Hannah Montana and be like, that's supposed to be me. She gave all of us main character syndrome. And she's just so hilarious. Like I think it's inspired me to have 20 years of like always rooting for Miley, even when the music isn't my favorite. I just think she's so talented and hilarious and I always want her to win.

• 6:39Stephen Thompson?

  Interesting. It's also interesting that this show does map over American Idol somewhat.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  True, true for true.

• 6:47Stephen Thompson?

  You know, so American Idol had been around for a few seasons by that point, but was still a very, very big deal. It does feel like it kind of piles onto that phenomenon of watching pop stardom play out in a way that feels aspirational. To kind of answer my own question in terms of like, where do I fit in to Hannah Montana?

• 7:08Speaker 05

  Please tell us.

• 7:08Stephen Thompson?

  Not at all, is the answer.

• 7:10Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 7:11Stephen Thompson?

  It premiered in March of 2006. I was just about to start working at NPR. NPR at that time did not cover big mainstream pop phenomena as much. And so for me, like, I didn't really, like, fully tap into it as a phenomenon, kind of until Miley Cyrus started banking, like, major pop hits and, like, appearing on awards shows. And what struck me was seeing her come on stages at 13, 14, 15 years old and seeming like she's 30, you know, kind of just in her way of speaking. Not only did she have that comic timing that you two are talking about, but she also just had this uncanny poise and clearly kind of the uncanny

• 7:55Stephen Thompson?

  poise of somebody who grew up kind of as a child star who is very smart. So it's been fascinating to go back and actually start watching this show in preparation for this episode for the first time in my life and kind of go back and see what the fuss is about. And, and to also realize that to this day, Miley Cyrus, currently 33 years old.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  I know.

• 8:16Stephen Thompson?

  She's a baby and it feels like she's been around since I was a kid and I don't understand how time works at all. Like, when you go back and revisit the show now, because my impression of the show as somebody who did not grow up with it and did not watch it when it came out 20 years ago, is I'm watching it and I'm like, when is this from? You watch the pilot, it's 20 years old, it's 2006. That in the grand scheme of things is not that long ago, but that pilot feels very 80s and early 90s coded.

• 8:46Speaker 05

  I mean, that aspect ratio. Yeah.

• 8:50Stephen Thompson?

  But when you go back and revisit it, what do you think?

• 8:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's really funny because I've never had this thought before. But when I was rewatching the pilot in the first season recently, why was I like, Miley and Emily are so Jerry Seinfeld, George Costanza coded? I genuinely went there where I was kind of like, you know, Miley's kind of like the sane one, Emily's a little crazy, Kramer is the Mitchell Musa. And I was like, OK, we're forming something here.

• 9:16Speaker 09

  Oliver Oakin, and may I say, you two are smoking.

• 9:20Speaker 05

  In it your dreams.

• 9:21Speaker 09

  I'm counting on that.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  But I think the whole thing about this era of Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, is that I remember kind of thinking of Nickelodeon as like, the edgier girls. All right, this is your Victorious, like Carly. They're kind of like the artsy ones. And Disney Channel is still family friendly. I think what's really funny about 2006 is that, you know, Hannah Montana premieres in March, months prior. Another small property called High School Musical came out. And I think the success of most of my favorite preteen shows predicated on this premise of what if like you were a kid without adult supervision who got to act like an adult? What would you do? And that's what the premise of like Carly is. That's what like Victorious is. That's what Hannah Montana is. And the funniest thing about Hannah Montana as a concept is like,

• 10:08Speaker 05

  so half of the day she is like at school and she's not even cool.

• 10:12Speaker 09

  You know what a lot of people don't know is, is it's also a wonderful moisturizer. Here, isn't that lovely?

• 10:20Speaker 10

  Moisturizer. You're pretty funny.

• 10:23Speaker 05

  And then at night, she performs child labor? She's a pop star. And I just kind of remember being like, oh, is this me aspiring to pop stardom? AKA work? OK, interesting. But I think the reason why I like really related to the show and just kind of like the Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus experience is because this is a show about someone who has a double life. This is a show about someone who wakes up every day with a secret that she has to kind of contain within herself. And I related to that. I related to that because the show came out when I was in third grade, when I started to kind of create these personas for myself as well, my home life, my school life, and then a third secret thing, the internet. And I think in that

• 11:04Speaker 05

  way, I felt so, so relatable of like, oh, okay, like she is burdened with the same things I am. Like, there are some things that I, you know, love talking about online that I can't talk about with my friends at school and vice versa. And there are a lot of kids who like, go to school with like, things they can't talk about that's going on at home. And I think in a weird way, it's kind of like, if school isn't escape from home, and home isn't like, escape from school, is there a third escape, being a pop star? Hannah Montana, there you go.

• 11:31Speaker 07

  Being a Tumblr star, some would say.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I think part of what's so incredible to me about this show, it's so cheesy. It's like, you're always waiting for the sort of like, laugh track to come after, in such an exaggerated way. And I think that that's why this show in particular, Hannah Montana, has been so memified. Like, I feel like it's so present in my day to day life, because it's still how I communicate with my friends, like, in the sense of like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, like the transition music.

• 12:01Speaker 07

  So many memes that we still refer to, to this day, come from this show. So I feel like, it's never gone anywhere. And that's part of why, I think it's really funny that in talking about this special, Miley was like, we weren't trying to be ironic, we weren't trying to be funny about it, like, this is earnest. Because I think this is such a campy show. Oh, yeah. And I think it's like, there's no escaping sort of the unseriousness of it. And I think Miley Stewart, the character, is so awkward, that also made her very relatable. And it's like, overtly goofy in a way that, that feels inescapable. Like, I still open TikTok, and there's Miley references, there's Hannah Montana references, left and right. Like, it's, she's, she's never gone anywhere for me. She's like, she's sort of maintained at the, at the top of pop culture no matter what, which is weird to say for like,

• 12:45Speaker 07

  A random Disney teen show that didn't air for that long in the context of things.

• 12:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I think like, it's funny because I actually will say there's a part of the special that really surprised me, which is when Miley is with her real-life father, Billy Ray Cyrus, who I was very surprised signed up for this, because I thought they were not on talking terms.

• 13:04Speaker 07

  No, shocker. I was like, he's here.

• 13:06Stephen Thompson?

  And they kind of allude to like, oh, things are better when the Cyruses are getting along.

• 13:09Speaker 08

  I think when me and my dad are good, people, they feel better. It just feels good when the Cyruses are getting along.

• 13:18Speaker 05

  Miley and Billy Ray Cyrus, they sit down on set at the table and they read a scene from like, an episode they actually did. And I will just speak for myself, I find those lines a bit corny, but Billy Ray Cyrus, very honestly, is like, ah, that was a funny line. And I'm like, what? Oh, my God. Okay.

• 13:36Stephen Thompson?

  The only one who can tell you that is...

• 13:38Speaker 08

  Oh, no. Please don't say, "Listen to my heart."

• 13:43Speaker 08

  Or my kidney, or my spleen, or any other vital organ.

• 13:46Stephen Thompson?

  That's my favorite line.

• 13:48Speaker 08

  That was kind of good.

• 13:48Speaker 07

  She's so endearing. That was my big takeaway watching this, is like, I still love her. She's so goofy and just like, we talk so much about authenticity when it comes to our pop stars. And I think it's so funny that like, Miley became a pop star by playing a literally manufactured pop star. And yet she feels authentic in a way I think a lot of celebrities don't. The way that she like, sort of, I don't know, exists in those fragmented layers of her career, and the way that she's just like, unapologetically herself, I find really fascinating.

• 14:17Stephen Thompson?

  Well, I think there's something very interesting about Miley Cyrus's career that kind of lives right alongside the legacy of this show, which is that, in many ways, like, she is a meta-celebrity. She is a meta-pop star. She became, first, she was kind of secondhand famous, because I remember when the show started, it was like, wow, that's Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter, acting with Billy Ray Cyrus. And Billy Ray Cyrus had-

• 14:41Speaker 07

  Nepo baby.

• 14:42Stephen Thompson?

  Right. And Billy Ray Cyrus had had that Achy Breaky Heart single in the early 90s. And so that was kind of my first awareness of the show. But then, like, Miley Cyrus became famous as Miley Stewart.

• 14:55Stephen Thompson?

  Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus. And so she has always kind of juggled these three personas. But then you had in the aftermath of this show, Miley Cyrus taking this pivot. I mean, this is such a cliche to say, but like quote unquote, grew up before our eyes. But that included these kind of awkward moments where she became sort of a tabloid fixation. She was twerking at the VMAs. There was sort of this, what has become of our sweet innocent baby? You know, it's like all that weird crap around young women pop stars. Like, there's a moment in the special where she's talking to Chapel Rohn and Chapel Rohn says like, you walk so I could run.

• 15:35Speaker 11

  You literally walk so I could run. Like what I do on stage where I can like go on a red carpet and just be. Oh, I was gagged for that. Love that. But that's because like you took a lot of the heat for that in 2012, 2013, like. That means a lot. Like, I don't have to deal with that as much.

• 15:52Stephen Thompson?

  You made it possible for me to navigate this world more easily. And like, in a way, she's talking about Miley Stewart, Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus. And I think like the fact that Miley Cyrus has managed to maintain any kind of sense of authentic personhood, you know, let alone have like a distinct sense of humor and like a playfulness and just like humanity to her is just such a testament.

• 16:20Speaker 07

  No, it's insane. She was releasing music as Hannah Montana and releasing music as Miley at the same time. That sounded different, like there was distinct sounds to both of those. And I think that was one of the fascinating things about the special was like, when she's with her mom sort of being like, oh, we had a vision for the Hannah clothes and we had a vision for the Miley clothes. Like, I can't imagine being 14 and A, being a pop star, B, being like three different pop stars at the same time. It was, it's kind of nuts. And I, I thought the chapel stuff was interesting because I think Chapel Rohn is another pop star that were constantly sort of having these public conversations. Or she's constantly in the midst of this public discourse about like, what do celebrities owe us? And how, how much access to celebrities are we allowed to have?

• 17:04Speaker 07

  I, I do think it's like, in some, in so many ways, we've come so far. And I think Hannah helped a lot of these pop stars sort of, I think Miley helped a lot of these pop stars. Develop more of a divide between their personal and professional images. But it also just shows you how much further we still have to go in that regard, I think.

• 17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I love what you're saying because like that is essentially the conceit of Hannah Montana, the show. It is asking this question like, hey, guys, Britney Spears happened. What if there was a way to kind of divide yourself into fulfilling all of your dreams and being normal in a way of grounding you? That is the premise of the show. And in a weird way, by creating not two, but three personas, it almost all compounded upon Miley Cyrus, the entity, to this point where she almost had to deal with three celebrities, three images, three personas at the same time, and albums constantly. And that is why I genuinely was shocked that Miley signed on to do this like anniversary special thing and to do it with such fondness for Hannah Montana.

• 18:04Speaker 05

  Because here's the thing, in the past like two, four years, I think we have seen and heard about a lot of child stars coming out and saying like, hey, my experiences on Nickelodeon shows, my experiences just being in Hollywood were not what they seem to be. Here's my story. This is Jeanette McCurdy. This is quite on set. With Miley and with Hannah Montana, I always assumed that she had a bit of a tricky relationship with Hannah Montana because of two things. Number one, Hannah Montana catapulted her to this enormous fame that obviously came with a lot of great things, but it also came with a lot of controversies. With all that said, am I allowed to say Miley Cyrus is the Nick Jonas of her family? Like she carries. This entire like project of Hannah Montana was such a family affair. Like her dad is

• 18:48Speaker 05

  in the show. Her mom is actually extremely integral into the behind the scenes machinations of her as a celebrity. Also, I just remember at the time, knowing so much about Miley's siblings. I know that one of her brothers was engaged to Brenda Song, like.

• 19:02Speaker 07

  Of Metro Station Shake It fame. Also, multiple bangers across the culture thanks to the Cyrus family at this time.

• 19:08Speaker 05

  Shout out to Brandy Cyrus, too.

• 19:09Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  Right? And that's the thing of just like, it almost reminds me of the Kardashians, but just specifically anyone who enters reality TV and tries to make like an entire family business out of it. I'm kind of like, oh, like she was the CEO. Damn.

• 19:22Speaker 07

  But I do think, like Candace, earlier you were talking about how so many of the shows of this era on both Disney and Nickelodeon, there's no parents around. Right. And I do think the one difference is like so much of Hannah Montana is about Miley's relationship with her dad. Billy Ray is such an integral character and part of that show. And I think also that that has translated to like, there was more, she was part of a family package in a way all of these other celebrities really weren't. And that I think sets the show apart, and I think it also kind of sets her apart as a celebrity, of what she was doing and how that was reflected by her family in the public eye, I think, which it's been interesting to read interviews where she says like, her mom was on board with like all of these things that she was doing and she always had her mom's support. She didn't feel like she was the breadwinner for her family.

• 20:04Speaker 07

  She felt like it was like, her parents sort of made her feel protected from that burden, I guess.

• 20:09Stephen Thompson?

  I just keep coming back to trying to navigate that many different personas while also navigating your very complicated family dynamics. And at the same time, your presentation, what you have to present to the world is literally represented in a song called Best of Both Worlds.

• 20:37Stephen Thompson?

  She has been kind of in this push and pull relationship with this show for so many years where she kind of had to pivot away from what her presence on this show represented to now at this stage of her career where it feels very much like she is at some kind of fork in the road, right? Like, her last album was not very successful. And she must be thinking like, is this the Katy Perry cliff that I'm suddenly staring at? Like, what do I do next? Because that album, Something Beautiful, didn't really take off.

• 21:13Stephen Thompson?

  Her song in the Avatar movie didn't even get nominated for an Oscar. You know, all these things that I think were expected of her in the last couple of years that haven't really materialized. She's in this interesting spot, but I'm just, I, every time I kind of take a snapshot in time of Miley Cyrus's career, I'm like, oh God, that sounds so complicated. I wouldn't want any part of that.

• 21:33Speaker 07

  Well, I feel like Hannah has been a shadow sort of looming over her public image and her career for so long in so many different ways. And she's rejected it a number of ways. Like, I feel like every few years, you know, she had the bangers era. She had her sort of like flaming lips era, which is my personal favorite with Miley Cyrus and her Dead Pets. And she always kind of comes back to a more conventional pop sound. Obviously did very well with Flowers. But I think it is cool to see her sort of return to Hannah in this way and sort of embrace. I mean, even the whole thing, which, you know, part of it's kind of a stick for the special, but like, she's not wearing a wig. She like dyed her hair blonde and like, I think it seems like she's sort of finally facing it in a way that like, much of her career seems to imply she's running from it.

• 22:17Stephen Thompson?

  Right.

• 22:17Speaker 07

  And yeah, I'm fascinated to see what she does next because she is at a crossroads. Like, she's been one of the biggest celebrities for 20 years and she's only 33 years old. I can't imagine the kind of like existential crisis that that might raise.

• 22:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, Stephen, it's so funny because you say that she is at, you know, an interesting place, a Katy Perry-esque cliff. I don't know why, but I really feel like she's on the elevator to success. I like, to me.

• 22:41Speaker 07

  She's always winning.

• 22:42Speaker 05

  That's right. She's J Lo, she's never backed down. But the thing is, something I noticed in the special is that, you know, she does this like, she does this like Taylor Swift re-recording 1989 thing where she like sings This Is The Life and all these other songs from the show.

• 23:11Speaker 05

  And I could not help but think, oh, she is holding back. Like, we know her range. We've heard the climb. We've heard, you know, flowers. We know how far she can go. But it really shows that her talent has grown so much. Her musicality has grown so much. At the end of the day, like, I, I'm like you. I'm like, I will always root for Miley. Miley stand number one.

• 23:33Speaker 07

  She throws arrows in a lot of directions. I don't think they always land, but she is undeniably talented and charismatic. When she manages to find her lane, she's got the sauce that's needed to make it work. I think it's just sort of like, what's the next lane? That's the question for me.

• 23:48Stephen Thompson?

  I have one final question. It's very important. I have absolutely no dog in this fight whatsoever. But you are both Hannah Montana heads. Jesse or Jake?

• 23:57Speaker 05

  OK, so here's my take on it. Let me be clear. Let me be clear. Jesse.

• 24:01Speaker 07

  Jesse.

• 24:02Speaker 05

  I mean, the question I actually thought you were gonna ask, Stephen, is what is our favorite Hannah Montana slash Miley Cyrus song of all time?

• 24:08Stephen Thompson?

  All right, well, give it to me. Bonus, uh, bonus content. Love it.

• 24:11Speaker 05

  All right. Hannah Montana, I have to say, I'm a huge "Nobody's Perfect" girl.

• 24:15Speaker 07

  Same.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  I did love "He Could Be The One." And then on the Miley Cyrus side, the song that will always get me, "See You Again."

• 24:20Speaker 07

  Dude, me too.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 07

  Two for two. "Nobody's Perfect," "See You Again."

• 24:25Speaker 05

  That's right. That's right. Play it.

• 24:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, let's go.

• 24:41Stephen Thompson?

  That brings us to the end of our show. Isabella Gomez Sarmiento, Candace Lim, thanks so much for being here.

• 24:47Speaker 07

  Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 24:49Stephen Thompson?

  This episode was produced by Liz Metzger and Mike Katzif and edited by our showrunner, Jessica Reedy. Hello, Come In provides our theme music. Thank you for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. And if you're not already following the show, do that right now. I'm Stephen Thompson. We will see you all next time.

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