Hunter Biden Pardon, Mr Beast & Ronaldo, Marc Andressen on Rogan, DOGE, BRICS, and Trump | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome back to another episode of Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu. Today, we delve deep into a fascinating range of topics, from historical virtues and modern media dynamics to the complexities of our current political and economic landscape. Tom and Producer Drew kick things off with lighthearted banter before diving into thought-provoking discussions about the transformation of media, where digital influencers like Mr. Beast and Ronaldo outshine traditional networks, and the critical importance of honing skills before seeking fame, much like Susan Boyle's unexpected rise. We cover everything from the enduring appeal of certain male hobbies to Tom's powerful reflections on the fundamental simplicity of managing finances. Our conversation explores societal shifts, touching upon historical leadership, contemporary challenges, and the significance of clear vision in governance. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Revealing government corruption shatters naive illusions. 05:25 Government influence, Florida relocation, AI startup suppression. 08:26 A political change is affecting diverse demographics. 10:33 Voters prioritize children's future and economic improvement. 14:54 Elections matter; government impacts business and life. 18:34 Focus on immediate improvements, not future promises. 23:05 Trump's threats may escalate economic or physical warfare. 25:29 US Treasuries' risk-free status is degrading. 30:24 Managing personal finances and increasing income is complex. 31:55 Harnessing momentum is crucial for successful navigation. 36:43 Overwhelming data complicates narrative and exposes corruption. 41:09 Move forward despite adversity, like Marcus Aurelius. 41:50 Personal documented morality guides life decisions. 46:42 Inspiring figures resonate; people desire courageous leadership. 50:32 TikTok exposes talent; undiscovered gems vanish quickly. 52:26 Real-world expertise boosts confidence in media. 54:35 Confidence and power attract; reality is inescapable. 57:52 Subscribe, fight corruption, be legendary. Peace. CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com/ Rosetta Stone: Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com https://www.rosettastone.com/ Betterhelp:This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/impacttheory and get 10% off your first month. ButcherBox:New users that sign up for ButcherBox will receive 2lbs of 100% grass fed ground beef in every box free for the lifetime of their subscription + $20 off your first box when you use code IMPACT at https://butcherbox.com/impact Netsuite:Spend less time looking backwards, and more time on what's next. Download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at https://NetSuite.com/theory https://netsuite.com/theory Goldback: Goldbacks are currency for now, and for the future, get yours at https://impacttheory.co/GoldbackITNov Miro: Bring your teams to Miro’s revolutionary Innovation Workspace and be faster from idea to outcome at https://miro.com https://miro.com/. Legal Zoom: Launch, run, and protect your business at https://www.legalzoom.com/ – use promo code 'IMPACT' for 10% off! Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business: join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business: see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call  Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox: sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT athttps://cms.megaphone.fm/organizations/0482bfe8-8502-11ed-af5d-3bdc320068d7/podcasts/0a41f61a-9ddf-11ed-9eb7-dbb3a40775f5/episodes/8ac68366-8a85-11ef-bb65-abca3ffdcf54/www.twitch.tv/tombilyeuwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Biden goes full China. Marc Andreessen drops a bombshell on Rogan. Mr. Beast sits down with the beast Cristiano Ronaldo. Bernie says Elon is right. And Trump threatens more tariffs on the BRICS nations. We're here to talk about it all. Let's get into it. Drew.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Tom, what's going on?

• 1:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, it's all going on. This has been an absolutely insane stretch, man. There was a lot of stuff going on. The Marc Andreessen corruption stuff on Rogan was all over Twitter, absolutely exploding. It was an amazing episode, absolutely amazing. But to hear somebody break that stuff down in the way that he did, it was, even though a lot of it I already knew, it was extremely unnerving. And this is not government by legislation, not government by regulation, but government by administration.

• 2:27Tom Bilyeu?

  It sounded pretty ugly. It sounded corrupt, man. Like, growing up, corruption did not seem like it was a thing that happened in America, but boy, oh, boy, was that naive.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  My face was definitely like Rogan's. If we can pull up that clip real quick, he said it better than I could.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  But and that's why this administration freaked us out so much is because it felt like they were trying to become way more like China.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  See, I was not nearly as aware as I should have been about the all these things that you're saying. I didn't know this. I did know about the banks, and I certainly didn't know that they were cracking down on AI the same way they cracked down on social media.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  The AI thing was very alarming. We had we had meetings this spring that were the most alarming meetings I've ever been in, where they were taking us through their plans and it was.

• 3:06Tom Bilyeu?

  What kind of can you talk about it?

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Basically, just full government, full government control, like this sort of thing. There will be a small number of large companies that will be completely regulated and controlled by the government. They told us, they told us, they just said, don't even start, don't even start startups, like, don't even bother. Like, there's just no way. There's no way that they can succeed. There's no way that we're going to permit that to happen.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  And I just full government control. It just, I know that it's corruption. I always think of a dude in like a trench coat who's like, hey, come in the alleyway. I'm gonna do business over here. But at a government level.

• 3:32Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the vision of corruption.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  That's what I thought. I was like, okay, let's just step around the trench coats.

• 3:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I got some regulations for you.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. So seeing it at this scale, I was flabbergasted, honestly. I was like, this is a conspiracy theory, but how Mark Andreessen kind of lays it out step by step.

• 3:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, also, he's been there. He's been in the meetings. That was the thing that I found really interesting. One, that he's also engaging now with the Trump administration, going to Florida, which is a whole nother interesting thing. The fact that government right now doesn't feel like it's seated in Washington, feels like it's seated in Florida. Something fascinating going on there. But yeah, the fact that he's been in the meetings, that they've told him to his face, don't start startups in AI. We're just not gonna let that happen. Dude, that is the most un-American thing I have heard in a very long time. That's absolute insanity. And that people think that this is the way for America to win. And that was one of the things that they talked about later in the interview was the whole idea that Trump just keeps repeating is, America needs to win, America needs to win, America needs to win.

• 4:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And dude, that was the 80s. Like, if anybody wants to know what it was like to be in the 80s, it was just like, America is culturally, we all felt like America was going to win, that America should win. And the fascinating thing is that the the best thing life has to offer you is that moment where you're like, everything I'm doing is working, and it's all about to change my life. Like, I remember the first time I went mansion shopping, okay? That's like a real thing. And I didn't have the money yet. But like, I was so sure that we were gonna close the deal, that I was like, oh, I'm gonna go look. And Lisa wouldn't go with me. She was like too paranoid. She was like, it's not gonna happen like something bad. You know, my shake down, I don't wanna jinx it. And truly, truly, that moment of like, is this actually gonna happen?

• 5:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Is better than the payoff. And I feel like the eighties and maybe into the nineties was that like, whoa, America's like really winning. We beat Russia. First, it was like, we're going to beat Russia. Then like, yo, we actually beat Russia. Like it really properly, the USSR collapsed. And now like, we're the hegemon. This is gonna be amazing. And that didn't end up being nearly as cool as the build towards actually doing it. And so there's something charmed about this moment now, where it does feel like morning in America. It does feel like there's sort of optimism in the air, getting even Democrats talking about like, I'm kinda glad that it played out this way. Some have said, just outright, I'm just glad Trump won, which is weird and something for them to reconcile.

• 5:58Tom Bilyeu?

  But then also I've heard people say, at least we lost decisively, right? Which is what I was saying in the beginning. Like, I don't mind losing, just make it decisive. And so the people are able to embrace that. I love that. And so this is a really fascinating moment that I doubt very much will live up to what actually happens, or what actually happens will live up to this moment. But nonetheless, it's a really cool moment. But getting back to the, the corruption part, to just hear it laid out like that, that the government really was going full China, that we were tilting towards that. And it's crazy because he's still in office. But that is, I think wildly problematic because of the outcomes that we've seen.

• 6:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And seeing the average person rise up and say, this is just bad for my pocketbook, has been fascinating.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  I think he also made a good point, Mark, about how in the 60s, that was the last time there was a political kind of rearrangement. And now I feel like we're in that political rearrangement where he was going across the demographic board where like, there was a lot of Jewish liberals who had to look in the mirror and realize like, wait, okay, hold on, the line is moving now. And there's a lot of demographics, whether it's black, Latinos, men, women, all these demographics that are now changing in a way. California is the most red it's ever been. Jersey, I'm from originally, it's a traditional blue slate, but it went kind of 48 to 52 this time, like that kind of gap is closing. So we're seeing a kind of political wave of change, whether people are going from right to left or left to right. But the usual suspect, the usual teams are no longer there anymore. And I think that's what I'm looking more, I'm looking the most forward to is that I

• 7:28Speaker 02

  don't really care what policy comes out, but I do hope that this new teamwork, this new reallocation of resources, this new renewed focus on a better America, I hope that at least lasts through all this kind of political turmoil that's been happening.

• 7:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Nothing lasts, so brace yourself for that. But here's what I think is really interesting about what you just said. So the reorganization of the political landscape, I really want people to get smacked in the face with one just absolutely brutal truth. What people care about first and foremost is themselves. And we got into a period of these crazy luxury beliefs where it was like, hey, let's do all the Green New Deals in the world, let's globalize everything. And the reality is that when the Democrats tried to message what they had done for people over the last four years, people were just like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Like, I'm in a worse place. The things that I buy are more expensive. My house is more expensive if I'm trying to buy. I can't, my kids can't get on the property ladder. I go into the grocery store, things are more expensive.

• 8:25Tom Bilyeu?

  And so trying to message to them that, hey, we're doing something that will reap benefits down the road, or that this isn't going to be as bad for us, like we'll be able to forestall calamity. That's just a terrible sales message. People want to know one thing. Am I able to buy more with my money now? Do I believe that my kids' lives will be better than mine? And if they can buy more with their money, or their money, they're seeing it go up in the stock market, and if they believe that their kids' futures are going to be better, that's it, they're going to vote. For whatever party gives them that and all of the sort of woke stuff like even though some of it spiritually like I'm super aligned with it's a desire for other people to

• 9:05Tom Bilyeu?

  live a wonderful life and to see people rise out of poverty even outside of our own country and all of it like I get it spiritually I think it's wonderful but the reality is if that comes at the cost of someone's day to day life they're not going to be here for it and that is the message that I think everyone should take away from that this is not Republicans are brilliant this is not Democrats are dumb this is entirely you've got to make your constituents lives better in a way that they feel in economics economics and yes there needs to be that sense of like

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Hope and

• 9:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah that like I feel good about my life but the honest answer is you're gonna get 98% of that just by number go up if people's bank accounts are moving in the right direction if they can buy more if they're getting promoted if they're

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  if what they're making in in real wages is going up compared to what they're trying to purchase they're gonna feel good it's just ridiculously simple

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Speaking of kind of people crossing lines Bernie Sanders had an interesting tweet this weekend if we go to that next tweet is at the end Elon Musk is right the Pentagon with a budget of 886 billion just failed its seventh audit in a row it's lost track of billions last year only 13 senators voted against the military industrial complex and a defense budget full of waste and fraud that must change so in this way Bernie's kind of saying that those is right what do you think

• 10:30Tom Bilyeu?

  He is 100% saying that and this is this is what populism looks like so strip all of the negative connotations away from populism please because this is where everybody is deranging themselves the reality is the people that are going to get elected right now are the people that say I understand that things have gotten bad for you and I'm going to fix it now the odds of them being able to fix it easily are essentially zero this is going to be a very hard problem to claw our way back from but I think that we're marching down the right path so what Bernie sees is one area where they not only agree on the problem but they agree on the solution and dude this is where like I felt like I was living in a Twilight Zone episode for the last year I'm like hold on the deficit is getting so outrageous

• 11:11Tom Bilyeu?

  1.2 trillion dollars just to pay the interest on the debt so these are all people that are like oh my gosh like we need more money to help more people and I'm like bro 1.2 trillion dollars

• 11:23Tom Bilyeu?

  In interest, okay, that's not in debt, in interest. And the debt is growing by a trillion dollars every 100 days. Dude, that's so insane. So if you want to make people's lives better and you believe that money is going to do it. I get that people think the path is to print money, but the reality is that's all an optical illusion that only works very briefly. And the only thing that works in the long term is the same thing that will work in your household, which is pay your debt down and make more money. And so that's the swing right now. It is back to like these ultra simplistic basics, breaking free of all the luxury stuff and just getting down to brass tacks.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  I hate this example, but like if I got audited seven times in a row and I failed it, like I would be in jail.

• 12:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, this is correct.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  And I haven't made anything close to 886 billion dollars. So it's one of those things where it's like, at what level does accountability just stop being a factor? Like, this is kind of a crazy stat.

• 12:17Tom Bilyeu?

  A long time ago.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Like, this is like, this is like a Cracker Jack stat. Like, it doesn't make sense that something with a budget that big can fail seven times and then still get audited at eight. Like, and just, yeah, it's cool. And nobody cares. And that's the end of it.

• 12:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's the thing, people, it's not that they don't care. If we went out and polled the team here at Impact Theory, we would be mortified to realize that many, especially of the younger people, they just aren't paying attention to what's going on. Dude, I didn't even think about voting until Obama was up for election. And then I still didn't vote, so I was like, California is blue, he's gonna win no matter what from a California perspective. So I just stood and watched the TV as he, you know, got elected and I was super pumped and yeah, it was amazing. Did not pay attention at all through all eight years of his presidency. I just had my head down and I was building, building, building. And I really feel like in the recent term, that what's happened is suddenly people are

• 13:13Tom Bilyeu?

  realizing that who you elect actually does matter. And so, look, I get some of this is the place I'm at in my life, that I'm just gonna be more drawn to this because I'm seeing the consequences. But I also really feel like things ratcheted up in the Biden administration where, and I, Mark talked about this in the episode with Rogan. Is he said, when we elected or when Biden got elected, I didn't think it was going to impact our business, which you're gonna hear all the time. I'm sure I've said it, where it's like, look, no matter who wins, like, just put your head down and build. But the reality is that we are now at a point where the government has gotten so big that it is absolutely crushing the soul out of people. And so what's happening is our government is looking at our biggest rival,

• 13:58Tom Bilyeu?

  China, and instead of saying we need to wildly differentiate ourselves, we need to become more like China to outcompete China, which is a huge mistake. But you can feel that pull between the left and the right right now. The right is saying, we want to return to freedoms, liberties, deregulating the government, reducing the size of the government, reducing the debt, reducing the spend, reduce, reduce, reduce, right? Whereas on the left, unless they reboot after this loss, you've literally been having them go down the authoritarian route of wanting to have control. And this just comes back to the dumb voter problem. It is, what do you do when you look out at the world and you see a bunch of people that cannot think for themselves? And the reality is, everyone paying attention realizes some people cannot think effectively for themselves.

• 14:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That really is just a reality. And I think you just have to accept that that's the reality, that they are all sovereign individuals, and no one is going to agree who the people are that can't think for themselves anyway. So distrust yourself wildly, first of all, because some people think it's you. I know that some people think I shouldn't be allowed to think for myself. Hey, so given that, how you respond to that problem, I think tells you everything about where that person or how that person is going to govern. And right now, the left looks out at people that they don't believe are able to think well for themselves, and they think, don't worry, we got you. We're gonna do the thinking for you. And it's been this top-down thing, and

• 15:25Tom Bilyeu?

  As they realize how well that works, they begin to ratchet it up. And so it worked incredibly well censoring people because censorship works. It worked for a while, right? It works with money. You can manipulate money for a very long time. It works with the audits so that, hey, people keep failing and you just know you can go look over here and people will stop paying attention because it's just too complicated. And that's the reality. Even I'm not going to go through. I'm going to be at the headline. They failed the seventh audit. I don't even know that that's true. For all I know, Bernie is making that up, but I'm not going to look it up. And so there's so much information that people know that they can sweep things under the rug. And this is why humans move in these grand cycles.

• 16:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And they don't just dial in on logic and attack that thing. And so we're in a moment now where the cycle has come around to, okay, yeah, this really is broken and we really need to do something different. But keep in mind, we got here because groceries are more expensive.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  If you had to give like a prepped talk to the left, what would you say should be their strategy going forward? Cause you seem to you understand human logic. So when people are in this moment, what are some ways that we can kind of get them from this moment to become?

• 16:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Always and forever, you have to ask, what's the goal? So you're saying they want to get elected?

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Yes, they want to come back in 2028 and kill it.

• 16:42Tom Bilyeu?

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• 18:56Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, let's pick up where we left off. All right, if they want to come back in 2028 and kill it, they've absolutely got to show that we are the party that is going to make your life better right now, today, here in America. That we are not going to ask you to defer that things are getting better off into the distant future. We are not going to ask you to do things on moral grounds like, hey, we want to, um, we want to raise up, uh, people that have been historically marginalized. Like that, the whole trans thing is just completely turned off a ton of people. They are very much out of step with that. That you're going to make things better for people in Bangladesh or whatever, like all of that stuff, at least for now, is not going to play until you can make things better here.

• 19:37Tom Bilyeu?

  So you've got to come back to, I'll say, more, uh, more traditional values. You don't have to be traditional, but the Reason that something becomes tradition is because it works over time. And this is why, as a non-religious person, I'm telling you, religion is powerful. Because what it does is it's the original self-help. It consolidates these ideas that have worked over time to keep you from getting eaten by a mastodon or a giant lizard, or from eating something that's rotten and dying. And so you come up with all these purification rituals and yada, yada. And you say, the omniscient being in the sky says it is so. So this is beyond reproach. This is why one of the key cornerstones of religion is that it's ancient. That you're always like, it's always the startup, right?

• 20:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Scientology, oh, man, like you can get a driver's license picture of L. Ron Hubbard. And that holds it back. But when you've got a couple hundred years, or God willing, a thousand, two thousand years. Now it's like, okay, this is ancient. This is God. This is, you, you can't question it. And that's how you get things to carry over. Now, as the government, if you can understand, oh, this is powerful because it's withstood the test of time. It's like deviate from the things that have withstood the test of time at your peril. Because when you get, this was something I thought Jordan Peterson was really on point with. When you get down to the most fundamental bifurcation in the human mind between male and female. It's like, dude, i- is there anything more fundamental than that? Light and dark, pleasure and pain, maybe?

• 21:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So you've got light, dark, pleasure, pain, then you've got male, female. It really is that sort of down in the weeds because of procreation. So, yeah, like, that, that is but one example, right? And then the fiscal irresponsibility. So it's going to look very much like the playbook that the Republicans are running right now. Because the Republicans don't sound like Republicans of old anymore. They've just adopted this belt and suspenders, very simple. Let's reduce the budget. Let's reduce regulation. Let's make sure that we've got an opportunity for growth here in America. Let's make sure that we don't have people flooding over the border so we can protect not only the people that we already have,

• 21:48Tom Bilyeu?

  but that we can also protect our value system, which people are not giving enough credit to, man. Even if you are an Immigrant to this country, you came here for a reason. And so if you see anything eroding that, because America's not about being born here, obviously. But America is about freedom, liberty, the pursuit of, let's swap out happiness with one of the original private property. Okay, which was a contender, did not win, obviously, but was a contender. But if you want to talk about things to give people the ability to make progress, which is a foundational pillar to human happiness. That one, if I can swap out happiness for fulfillment, right? Working really hard to gain a set of skills that allows you to serve yourself and others. It's like, okay, now, yeah, give me those people from all around the world.

• 22:33Tom Bilyeu?

  But if you're just letting people in indiscriminately, you start to erode that. You start to trip fairness, things which are embedded so deeply in the human psyche. You have problems. So anyway, it would basically be something very similar to what the Republicans are fighting on. Which is great, because it means that now we're racing to the middle. You don't want these wild differences between the left and the right.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  So let's talk Trump and the BRICS countries. He just announced that he's gonna put a tariff on it. Has a dollar war already begun? And how do we fight back? How does this even happen on a currency side?

• 23:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So first of all, I think it's important to note that what Trump is doing is threatening. We're gonna see a lot of this. And look, I don't know, on a world stage, it might be better that people just believe every word out of his mouth. Because there's been so much ink spilled over the fact that he postures. And I'm sure we'll talk about the Vince McMahon of it all here in a minute. But he postures a lot as a negotiating strategy. Now, I have mentioned before on the show, my big fear is that he's gonna have to do something to show people that these are not bluffs. And so I do worry about escalations of economic warfare. I really worry about escalations in physical warfare, kinetic warfare.

• 23:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Because he is gonna have to show people, like if he goes in and tries to let Zelensky and Putin know, you are going to resolve this. And is not ready to pull the trigger on something like whatever that big. Whatever the the grand gesture version is in this conflict, he's gonna have to be prepared to actually do it so that everybody understands he this is not a bluff. Now, he will go in bombastically, he will go in like a bull in a china shop. But you have to establish deterrence. And so I do worry about how he's gonna do that. Anyway, he's he's going to posture with bricks. Maybe he does the tariffs, maybe he doesn't. He has said on podcasts before, there aren't gonna actually be any tariffs because people know

• 24:34Tom Bilyeu?

  that if you're gonna try to challenge me, I, you know, will do this stuff and it'll be terrible for you. Be far worse for you than it's gonna be for us. And so he's betting that people are going to back down. Now, how will warfare on the dollar work? Warfare on the dollar, which is a very different question, but the way that it's gonna work is this. You're gonna have to back your currency by something. And it looks like they're going with gold. Cool. Nice old going back to traditional values, something that's withstood the test of time. Gold has withstood the test of time. We know that people value that. So back your currency with something, Bitcoin, gold, Bitcoins is too volatile right now. But anyway, that there is a play there, I think, on a longer timeline. But backing it with gold, I think, is a very shrewd move so that if the US,

• 25:18Tom Bilyeu?

  which hopefully they won't, but if the US continues to rack up the debt, there will come a time, even I, dude, I have so much money in treasuries right now because I want to be as close to cash as I can, just so I can move when I want to move.

• 25:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Even I'm like, huh. There's only so much more debt the US government can rack up before I go. Treasuries are not safe. And I don't think people understand how much of our economy is built on the notion of a risk-free return, that you can loan your money to the government and it's risk-free because they will pay you back. We're not in that territory anymore. Now, it may still be the greatest risk that you can take in terms of like, hey, from a risk-return ratio, it's still way, way, way, way, way better than anything else. All right, fair enough. But it is degrading and degrading to the tune of a trillion dollars in debt every 100 days. So that's how you attack it. You let never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake. I believe that's Miyamoto Musashi that said that. Or Sun Tzu, one of the two. Anyway.

• 26:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake. The US until the Trump election certainly was racing towards that. Now, I don't know that he'll right the ship on printing money, but if Doge goes well, certainly we can reduce. Let your enemy make a mistake and then the next thing is you have to build a currency up and start getting trade in that currency. And because of the nations that are in there, you break the petrodollar so that people are no longer pricing oil in dollars. If they start pricing it in whatever the RMB, who knows?

• 26:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Then all of a sudden you've, you've got a player and I know some massive swing in the number of transactions in dollars has already taken place. Now, the dollar is still dominant by far, but we're beginning to see that change. And as the famous saying goes, how did you go broke slowly at first, then all at once? You could see that happen with the dollar. I don't predict that in the next five, 10, maybe even 15 years. But if they keep printing money like mad and BRICS keeps growing in strength, all bets are off.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Is our only offense reduce spending? Is there anything else we can do on this side?

• 27:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, there's two things. You can reduce spending and you can increase GDP growth. That's it. Dude, this is where like, when I say all nature has to work with is pleasure and pain. People are going to be in the comments, oh, there's more than that. No, there's not. That, that's it, bro. Like there are gradients of, well, this one's bittersweet. Yeah, cool. Got it. Understood. Like emotions can feel complicated, but at the end of the day, there's a reason they call it fight, flight, freeze, or fornicate. What were you gonna say? Uh, so that's, that's your basket. Like there's only so many options, right? And so, um, you can call desire isn't quite pleasurable. Yes, it is. This is why people go gamble. This is why I was saying earlier, it's more exciting to think about buying the mansion than to actually live in it.

• 28:14Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy. So

• 28:17Tom Bilyeu?

  the reality is if you're trying to write the government, you can increase GDP or reduce costs or both, and that's it.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Trump has a lot to work with.

• 28:31Tom Bilyeu?

  He does have a lot to work with. Now, it's gonna be in those two big camps, but the economy, despite its sort of terminal simplicity, the economy is wildly complicated. And this is why you can fail an audit seven times and get an eighth, because people don't want to think about it. They don't want to parse it.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Well, good luck with that, Trump.

• 28:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, if the economy was simple, think about this. Economists would be ridiculously wealthy. The economy is so complicated that Ray Dalio, who spends hundreds of millions of dollars on AI, fiber optic cables, like workforce that is the brightest financial minds on planet Earth, and risk-adjusted returns, I mean, where are they at? Like 8%, 13%? It's gonna be in that band of across the whole asset class. It's crazy. So it is, and anybody that's like, just go buy Bitcoin, dude, as that is my single biggest investment, and that advice, as you well know, drives me crazy.

• 29:34Tom Bilyeu?

  It is a very complicated game.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  It kind of feels like we made our bed, though. Like, we...

• 29:40Tom Bilyeu?

  In what way?

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Is it too big to fail now? Because we're already in it, we're already bought in, so we have to play by these rules.

• 29:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Like the economy?

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I feel like...

• 29:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you're not backing out of the economy.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  But to your point that it's like, it's either I have to stop spending or I have to grow that much. We really have to grow then to get out of this. I'm gonna be honest, I thought there was more options. I didn't know there was only one or two.

• 29:59Tom Bilyeu?

  There's only two things. I mean, this is the same with, I mean, think about your personal finances. This is where I think people are trying to make something that is deadly simple seem really complicated. And the reality is, whether you're running a business, whether you're running a government, whether you're running your personal household, there is, there's really, if you want to boil it down, there's only one thing, and that's the difference between how much you spend and how much you make.

• 30:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That's it. There's, there's nothing else. So you start getting into the complexities of like, what are the things that make me money? Why were they making me more money before and they're making me less? Or what is it that costs more money? Like, some people,

• 30:39Tom Bilyeu?

  there, there are going to be so many buckets in your personal life. So energy costs, so gas, heating and cooling your home. But then there are going to be things like your kid gets sick and your insurance and it starts getting complicated because it's like, well, wait, how do I balance the, the amount that I'm going to copay like sort of guaranteed that I'm going to have to outlay versus, you know, balancing against catastrophic failure and making sure that I'm protected there. So when you start getting into the nitty gritty of how you pull those levers and make that differential go in your direction, then it gets complicated. Like, how you make more money is complicated. That making more money or spending less is your

• 31:21Tom Bilyeu?

  only option is simplistic. But this is why I keep talking about the dumb voter problem. The reality is that life is very complicated. And I want to introduce people to a concept called V M G, velocity made good. You're going to hear me talk about this a lot. In fact, we've probably already talked about it. It's something that as a business guy, you have to be obsessed with because it gets to the, why is this easy to explain and hard to do? Velocity made good is a sailing term that is angling the sails in a way where you can capture the kinetic energy of the wind to your directional advantage. Meaning, if I want to go

• 32:05Tom Bilyeu?

  to the Bahamas from Florida, but the wind and my sails are angled such that I go out to the open ocean and then starve to death, we have a problem. It can be a three hour journey or however long it takes to sail from Florida to the Bahamas. I don't think it's that long. Or it can be death, all based on whether you're able to angle your sails in a way to capture that momentum. So in one's personal life, how good are you at your job?

• 32:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that the only outlet? Could you start a business? Could you trade in the financial markets? So there's a whole lot of ways to make money. But just think about a job. Now, you have to be good at the thing that you do, but you also have to be good at negotiating for a raise. And then you've got to make sure that the company is succeeding because it's a lot easier to get a raise in a company where cash is just kicking off left, right and center. Right? So now it's like, okay, well, how do I get better at my job? How do I get so good at my job that I can meaningfully help the company be profitable? And by the way, just in that, some people have already checked out. I'll never be good enough at something where I can help my company progress. Okay. Now, now you get into mindset. Okay, well, you have to, everything is downstream of belief.

• 33:23Tom Bilyeu?

  So you have to believe that you can get so good. You have to focus on a skill that actually can benefit your company. Then you have to go actually get good enough at that thing. All the while beating back all of your insecurities, which are going to tell you that you're never going to be able to make it. Only the person that persists ends up winning. And so on and on it goes. And this is why, dude, it is very easy to spin up a YouTube channel and talk to people and it is brutally difficult to execute.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  You didn't blew my mind.

• 33:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, now brace yourself for what's about to happen with four years of Trump because it's going to be hard.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Man. That was interesting.

• 34:00Tom Bilyeu?

  And people are going to come for him. And, uh, yeah, man, it's just, it is, it is really hard to get something going in the direction that you want it to go. Very, very hard. More to come. We'll be back in a bit.

• 34:16Tom Bilyeu?

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• 35:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And we're back.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Biden recently pardoned his son Hunter, who had a gun case that was set to be taken to trial 1212. And he had a tax case sentenced to be taken to trial 1216. So like right in the nick of time.

• 35:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, he, not just that, he pardoned him for a period of I think 11 years for anything that he did or may have done.

• 35:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, so Biden put out a tweet.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  A pre pardon.

• 35:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, well, not, not that he might do because you'd never get away with that. But anything that he might have done. So, meaning all the things that people have already brought him up on charges. Plus, if you try to go find something else, then he's pardoned for that already. Now Biden had sent out a tweet, I don't know how many years ago, but it said, no one is above the law. And then community notes jumped on it and said, given that you just pardoned your son, or given that Biden just pardoned his son. Some people are in fact above the law. That's savage. Dude, that, that is, I mean, it's really crazy. So the corruption is being drug out into the daylight. And this is why everybody should go watch my episode with Martin Gury. Has it dropped yet?

• 36:28Speaker 02

  It has not.

• 36:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, guys, when it comes out, you're going to want to watch this. So he wrote a book called The Revolt of the Public. And the whole concept of the book, so he was in the CIA for like 28 years or something. As, as a global media analyst. And so how are US policies playing in France would be an example. And so he's the guy that would go check out what's going on in France. And he was like, it used to be that you just looked at two publications. That was it. And you figured out what they thought and now you knew what the French thought of a given policy. Now dude, you are the media now. You are the media now, everybody. And now it's like sentiment analysis and trying to figure out like, here's something you and I care a lot about. What percentage of people are still watching at 30 seconds? But what does it mean?

• 37:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Does it mean that the intro was bad? Does it mean that I spoke too slowly? Does it mean that the information wasn't interesting enough? Does it mean that the relationship between the headline and the thumbnail? And what I was saying just doesn't match closely enough? Like, what, what does it mean? And so now you're getting data, but you don't even know what it means. Because there's so much data that now they just become like these scatter plots. And you're trying to make sense of all of that. Uh, and so that gets very difficult. And if people understand the way that that is really breaking things loose, the fact that we're going to have all of this information, that everybody is a publisher now, that reading the sentiment becomes extremely difficult.

• 37:55Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just a level of complexity that gets really, really crazy. But it uncovers things like the corruption that we're seeing now. And so everybody being able to report on this, community notes, being able to jump on it, it stops people from being able to have a stranglehold on the narrative. What scares me though, is it makes those in power want to strangle the narrative even more. And so while it makes it harder to do, look at the Arab Spring.

• 38:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Looked like it was gonna be something.

• 38:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Wasn't something. Occupy Wall Street, looked like it was going to be something. It wasn't something. Look at the CHAZ, the CHOP. Looked like it was gonna be something, actually that one didn't. That looked terrible, right from the jump. I was just gonna tell you, everybody at home watching, I was like, well, that's gonna end badly.

• 38:47Tom Bilyeu?

  All of this stuff is because no one. Uh, this is complicated, but there's a thing going on in society right now where it's all about negation. Martin Garry talks about that.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Explain that like, what do you mean by negation?

• 39:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's not, I don't stand for anything. I'm not trying to take you anywhere. I'm just saying, don't go there. So there's two things you can do in life. Hey, we're making everything a nice dichotomy today. You can move towards something or you can move away from something. So part of the reason that I think that Trump got elected was he was moving towards something. So, hey, we're gonna make America great again. Cool. Like, at least I'm moving towards something. I'm not moving away from, um, just don't do that. So oftentimes Barack Obama was called the chief negator. So he would just, he was just against everything. But how can you both be the man and against the man? And that's where like now, as people look back on his presidency,

• 39:45Tom Bilyeu?

  they're starting to reevaluate. Like, hold on a second. You gave us this sense of like, people were working against us. But aren't you the guy? Are you the guy that was working against us? So it was a really, it was a great strategy. Dude, it got him reelected. Absolute winning strategy. Banger. But it becomes very hard for people to know, like, this is what we're moving towards. MLK moved towards, right? Paint a division. Okay, I'm here for that. I want to be a part of that. That sounds like a world I want to be in where I'm judged by the content of my character, not the color of my skin, right? Very clear, very succinct. Ah, I get it. Uh, but if it's just, all of these people are bad, which would be my concern about Trump moving forward is now that he's in office and he doesn't have a foil to fight against, is he gonna be able to continue to give people a positive thing to move towards? It's a great question. Anyway,

• 40:30Tom Bilyeu?

  the corruption's out in the open now. And, uh, how that will resolve is not clear. It feels good, feels way better, but it's not clear how it's gonna resolve.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  I'm not mad at that, though, because I think Hunter Biden did get caught up in the system. He was a political prisoner, although he's not-

• 40:49Tom Bilyeu?

  You're not mad at the pardon?

• 40:50Speaker 02

  I'm not mad at the pardon. That's your son, if you can help your son out, and he lost another son. I think that's one of those things. Biden might get killed in the media, but when he's by himself and feels and thinks about himself, I think he'll be okay with that. He helped his son out.

• 41:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I think he will be okay that he helped his son out, because I think politicians are an interesting breed of person that is perfectly happy to say whatever they need to say in order to get elected, and they are just completely comfortable with that. I will stop short of going all the way to say that they are pathological liars, but hey. So that unnerves me. That's very interesting. Okay, Drew, who I like and respect, does not mind that he pardoned his son. Okay, so I would like to introduce the idea of virtues, of doing the right thing even when it's hard. Now, I hope that in the fullness of my life, I'm able to live

• 41:46Tom Bilyeu?

  a virtuous life. I make no claims to be better than the next person. Let me just start with that. But speaking of things to move towards, when you look at like, somebody like Marcus Aurelius, writing in his Meditations, which was his private journal, PS by the way, I think Marc Andreessen actually talked about this in the episode with Rogan. He's writing this private journal to himself, and he's like, despite the fact that things are going to be hard, that people are going to be against you, you still have to move forward and do that thing, to try to lead people well, to try to take them somewhere positive. Now again, he's writing that to himself. This is not something that he ever thought would be found and published and all that. So he's not saying it because he thinks he's going

• 42:31Tom Bilyeu?

  to get points with other people. He's doing it because he thinks this is the virtuous thing to do, that it is the right way to lead your life. A few months ago, I started really getting obsessed with this idea that people need to document their personal morality, their value system. And the reason is that you have to anchor your decision making on something. There's no sort of objectively right or wrong answer. There is only you have a goal, and there's the thing that moves you towards that goal. And so if your goal's nasty, Hitler, I'm looking at you, Stalin, I'm looking at you, Mao, I'm looking at you, Genghis Khan, I'm looking at you. If your goal is heinous, then even though you're doing things that are effective to moving you towards your goal- Bad news. This is where religion comes in.

• 43:12Tom Bilyeu?

  God says these things are right, just, moral, etc. But again, your religion can be gnarly. And so at some point, as a person, you need to document this, this is my set of values. This is how I believe people ought to behave. It's not a reflection of how I believe the world is. It's a reflection of how I believe the world ought to be. It's the only way to anchor your thinking. Otherwise, you're just going to be emotional.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I guess the way I can rationalize the Hunter Biden thing is that he is, I, I hope that he is thinking that he ought to do the thing that would make him the best from a fatherly perspective.

• 43:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Ought he pardon his son for things that he would not pardon anybody else's son? That nobody else has the power to grant? That he represents the will of the people, man? And he's wielding that for his own personal use?

• 44:12Speaker 02

  I understand. I get it. I, I don't wish to be in that position to take that ownership. That's a heavy decision. But I feel like if I had to rank order all those other responsibilities and priorities and people that are looking up to me, I have a different, I have a different response with my family. So I would take being a good dad and helping him out, even though that might ostracize me politically. Thank you.

• 44:39Tom Bilyeu?

  That's interesting. Okay, well, this is your value system on display. I respect that. I hear what you're saying. I don't think you're crazy. My highest value is my wife. Uh, but man, if I ran for office, I would have to say the people are now my highest priority.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  So you wouldn't pardon Lisa?

• 44:56Tom Bilyeu?

  No. Dude, you can't. You can't. So, oh, God.

• 45:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, listen, I'm not put in that position. I want to be very clear. I don't want any points for an easy answer to give when I'm not facing something like that.

• 45:13Tom Bilyeu?

  But this is why they're known as civil servants. They are saying with my life, I dedicate myself to serving the people. Now, why anybody does that is beyond me. So I will never, and I mean never, run for president. Hell no. That is wholly uninteresting to me. I don't know why people do it because people come after you, but people that are that feel called to do that. If you can do it well, so take Lincoln, take a Washington, let's, let's take Washington. Who, boy, oh, boy, as a slave owner, could a case be made? That like irredeemable. Go read a biography on him. It's crazy. Dude, he, he gave birth to America.

• 45:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Literally. So Peyton Blood was on the battlefield. At the front line, this was not a guy who was like chilling at the back, sending a bunch of young kids to die. Like homeboy was there. Homeboy was like the last, they did this one famous crossing where they were all about to be slaughtered, not, not the, the crossing of the Delaware is another one. How many times does this poor guy go through stuff like this? And he was like sending everybody, go first, go first, go first. And they were like, dude, you are the leader. You have got to go now. And he was like, no. And he just kept sending everybody across, everybody across, everybody across, and obviously almost dies, doesn't, but. And then could be king, turns it down. I mean, just time after time after time, pays all these prices, spends years and years of his life, of course, being hounded politically, people saying like, what a loser.

• 46:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Like get this guy out. I'm just crazy. So this is somebody who was like, not only am I going to be away from my wife for, I don't know how many years the Revolutionary War lasted, but years. This was not like months or weeks. Years away from his wife, his family, risking his life. And The just rewards that he gets was just to return to the house that he already had before he was president. I mean, this was like really, really, that is somebody who's living a virtuous life, who says, I'm going to effectively shorten my own life at great risk, great peril, to give something to these people. I'm willing to die. There's something bigger than myself. It's just incredible, man. It's really inspiring to me. And there are, of course,

• 47:29Tom Bilyeu?

  history is replete with these incredible characters that do things like that.

• 47:37Tom Bilyeu?

  This is part of why, without trying to put Trump in that pantheon, he's got a long way to go.

• 47:44Tom Bilyeu?

  But this is why people responded when he got shot and then stood up with blood streaming down his face and said, fight, fight, fight. People were like, yeah, give me some of that. Give me some of somebody who is like, could be chilling on a golf course, but instead of that, is here trying to make America better. Now, do I think he did it out of ego from the beginning? Yes. So again, I'm not trying to over index here, but it's that kind of thing that people see what they wish they were. And when you can paint that picture for people, that I'm here to serve you, I'm putting you first, I act in a way that you find admirable.

• 48:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, it's, it's really something, man. It's awe inspiring. It's the kind of thing that makes people lay their lives down when they see somebody else do that kind of thing. I mean, let's, the greatest story ever told, Jesus on the cross.

• 48:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Gangster. I believe these things. We're gonna take your life. That's fine. I still believe them. We're gonna take your life in the most horrible way possible. That's fine. I still believe them. And from that, 2,000 years later, people still roll up to churches.

• 48:56Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the kind of thing that echoes for 2,000 years. It is not the pardoning of your son that doesn't echo.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  Man, this is a deep one today. I feel that. I feel that. I feel that. I got some lessons in our virtue. I need to, in some Marcus Aurelius books I need to read.

• 49:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Even though I think you only read that one.

• 49:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Shout out to Ryan Holiday, who makes him far more accessible.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, Steph, alright, changing gears to a lighter tone. We had two of the goats come together. Both Mr. Beast and Ronaldo had a series of videos over the weekend. Just, what does it say about the state of media where Mr. Beast, who had a YouTube record of 20 million followers in a month? And then that record recently gets broken by Ronaldo, who got 60 million followers in a month.

• 49:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's nuts.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  And like meanwhile, like news networks are struggling to stay in business. Like, what does that say about the state of the media right now?

• 49:50Tom Bilyeu?

  You are the media now. I mean, it is really fascinating what's happening. Okay, so when I was growing up, if you wanted to get on TV, not only did you have to be good at a thing to be entertaining, but you had to convince the gatekeepers that you were good enough to be the one that got put on air. And so, this is like, do you know who Susan Boyle is?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 50:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh my God, this is one of the most incredible things. I don't, for your generation, this might not hit the way that it hit for me. But Susan Boyle was the, she is a singer. I don't know if she's still performing, but she goes on either American, no, I think it was the British version, X Factor, whatever the British version of Pop Idol, something like that. Anyway. She goes on one of those shows, early enough in, in the thing, before anybody had seen a moment like this. She comes out dowdy housewife, not particularly attractive, doesn't look like much, really sheepish. And she, Simon Cowell asked her what song she's gonna sing. I believe it was "On My Own," if I'm not mistaken, which is from Les Misérables, just a brutally difficult song.

• 50:55Tom Bilyeu?

  And so he's like, basically, are you sure? Can you please pick a different song? Cause this is gonna be embarrassing. And she's like, no, I'm gonna give it a go. And proceeds to be the most unbelievable talent you've ever seen. I mean, just absolutely smashing, gorgeous song, incredible performance, emotive, her voice is extraordinary, and you're just like, oh my God, this TV show just found this undiscovered gem. That doesn't happen anymore. You'd be on TikTok at 12. The world's just gonna watch you grow up being extraordinary. We're gonna see all of it unfold before our eyes. If you've got talent, the TikTok algorithm is going to find you, man. And it's just going to explode and people are gonna have 15 minutes. Forget it.

• 51:38Tom Bilyeu?

  People are gonna have their, you know, nine seconds of fame as their thing goes hyper viral. But you you won't have the sense of the undiscovered talent. And so what we're seeing now with with an extreme example, obviously, when you're getting 60 million followers in a single month is somebody who spent however many years he's been a footballer, 15 years? I mean, he had a long career of being a footballer, of building up all this goodwill, of being really good at a thing, getting people to fall in love with him and care about him and pay attention to him. And he's extremely talented, extremely good looking, extremely wealthy. And he's charismatic and just really watchable.

• 52:18Tom Bilyeu?

  And so you're gonna see people like that have these second careers where they don't have to convince anybody to give them a microphone. And so my appeal to everybody out there, because they're all gonna try to be Susan Boyle. They're in fact, no, no, no, that's a terrible example because she spent years in quiet, getting great. They're all gonna try to be the 14 year old TikToker who goes viral. Instead, pay attention. Go get good, really good at something that people care about. Do work, just like grind it out, hard work to gain a set of skills that matter to you for whatever reason, but also matter to the world.

• 52:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And work so hard that people would rather just believe that you were touched by God or that it's magic, that you sold your soul to the devil, whatever. Like they just, they can't fathom that you would work that hard to get that good at anything. And then step in front of the camera. Because one of the things I am most grateful for is that social media did not exist until really the beginning of Quest, and even then it wasn't called social media back then. So I spent like fifteen years building businesses before I ever stepped in front of a camera. And so now I feel very confident talking about building a business or talking about mindset or whatever, because I just spent so much time getting good at it, getting real world results from it, and then talking about it.

• 53:43Tom Bilyeu?

  And so we're gonna see a mixture of flash in the pan people, because there are no gatekeepers, and then we're gonna see incredible second careers as people do what Ronaldo did. Go prove that you're just a world-class talent, that you're in the conversation to be the goat. And then launch your channel. Like imagine Jordan had launched a channel, retires, launches a channel. Kobe, Kobe was about to be a monster. I am still devastated that he died. He would have a gigantic channel, for sure. A hundred percent he would have leaned into that.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  I see that Kobe channel would have been dope. I repeat a Kobe, I repeat all the greats. Man, all right. Last but not least, there was a recent poll on Twitter that went viral for the most attractive male hobbies. At the top of the list was reading, foreign languages, and playing an instrument. What do you say to the young men out there who are looking for women and need a hobby? Did we just follow this list? Like what's?

• 54:38Tom Bilyeu?

  No, get rich. Get rich.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Where's get rich on that list?

• 54:42Tom Bilyeu?

  This is like, if you properly place, like there are ten other things that women care about, and then, oh, what are the most attractive hobbies? Fair enough, fair enough. But let me tell you, if you read sci-fi like I read, my wife has never once been like, ooh, look at you reading Ready Player One, like that's so hot. Definitely not. Like, my wife could not care about that. Now, me knowing things that I got by reading, that my wife finds very sexy. But let me just, let me cut right to the chase, gentlemen. As somebody who had absolutely no game and had to learn this stuff, you have got to get to the point where you have confidence, you are good at something that the world cares about.

• 55:24Tom Bilyeu?

  is about and you can execute against that to get access to financial resources. If you do that, women like power. Women like power. So people are not going to like that and I don't give a fuck. The reality is what the reality is and boys and girls, we are past the era where we lie to each other about what is true. And that one is true. Now, power has become a weird word for people. Doesn't mean that you're trying to control other people. It just means this, this is the definition of power. If you ever hear it escape my lips, this is what I'm talking about. Power is the ability to close your eyes, imagine a world better than this one. Open your eyes, acquire the skills necessary to make that world a reality and then make that world a reality.

• 56:08Tom Bilyeu?

  That's power and dude, that's what women are into. So reading, false, knowing things, yes. Foreign languages, maybe that one actually is pretty cool because it's like somebody's pulling a magic trick. They can see a thing you can't see, right? They understand a language you don't understand. It is absolutely fascinating. Playing an instrument, only the cool ones, maybe guitar, maybe piano, maybe drums. If you play clarinet, you're fucked. Speaking from experience, if you play the trombone, you're fucked. That has gotten me nowhere. I've not gotten laid once because of the trombone. If anything, it turned my wife off. So I'm just telling you right now, uh, only certain things that matter.

• 56:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Cooking, cooking, I can see that one. If you can make a wicked good meal, you're in business. Now my wife will tell you I've never cooked for her. That is a lie. I've never marinated anything for my wife and she's got a weird definition of cooking, which pre requires that I marinate something. I don't know what that's about.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  I'm like, this list got personal. I don't know what it is.

• 57:07Tom Bilyeu?

  What is that woodworking? Woodwork? Ah, I think that's really just masculinity. They just want to see a guy work with his hands, but if, if Bill Gates took up woodworking. It does not help. I'm just gonna tell you that right now. Now, his money, that's gonna help, but if Bill Gates came out of the gate as a woodworker, not gonna get him anywhere. I can't read that next one. What does that say? This is like an eye test now.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Painting, writing.

• 57:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Painting. If you're good, art is, art I could see people getting into, but you've got to be good. Writing, again, depends on what you are. Seth Godin, I love you, but I don't think that writing is the thing that's gonna get him girls. Gardening, lies, that one's just an outright lie, unless it's like a prepper thing. All right, those are terrible.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Get money, get power.

• 57:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Get money, get power, be confident, know things that matter. And then, by the way, let me give you a real good one. At the end of the day, if you can make women feel better about themselves when they're around you than they feel when they're away from you, and they're attracted to you, you've got the magic formula, but you have to make them attracted to you. And that's about power, it's about confidence, it's about, what else do women just really get into? Funny is good, being in shape, these things will get you somewhere. The other stuff, not so much.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  That's all I got.

• 58:33Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Everybody, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, fight that corruption, get beyond it. We're on the precipice of something. It's morning in America. All right, everybody, until next time, be legendary. Peace.

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