Ian Carroll on America’s Deadliest Mass Shooting and Unanswered Questions They Don’t Want You to Ask

The 2017 Las Vegas massacre was by far the deadliest mass shooting in American history. The official explanation for it makes no sense. Ian Carroll explains what we know for sure. (00:00) What Was the Las Vegas Shooting? (10:43) The Active Shooter at McCarran Airport (16:40) The Suspicious Deaths of Witnesses (25:30) What Was Stephen Paddock's Motive? (34:37) What Happened to Jose Campos? (1:05:18) How Did America Change After the Shooting? Paid partnerships with: Masa Chips: Get 25% off with code TUCKER at https://masachips.com/tucker Black Rifle Coffee: Promo code "Tucker" for 30% off at https://blackriflecoffee.com TCN: Watch our new outdoor series at https://tuckercarlson.com/americangame Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Tucker Carlson?

  Ian Carroll, I have wanted to meet you. I'm grateful you're here.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:35Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Thanks, man.

• 0:38Tucker Carlson?

  So I just want to understand one story. I want to know what we know about the biggest mass shooting in American history in Las Vegas, 2017. I spent a full year looking into it, got nowhere other than increasingly skeptical of the story we were told. But I really don't, there's a lot I don't know. So will you lay out what we do know?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, first, the most important thing to highlight is that I'd bet that a lot of people, when you started that sentence, don't know what the most deadly mass shooting in American history is.

• 1:12Tucker Carlson?

  That's a fair point.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Because I think that most Americans have forgotten about the Las Vegas shooting because it just got poofed right out of the news after like a week. And they just never brought it up again, basically. And then there was actually disinformation poured in to try to stop journalists and investigators and regular citizens from uncovering basic truths, from getting basic disclosure.

• 1:32Tucker Carlson?

  Can you be specific? What does that mean, disinformation poured in of what kind?

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Well, I think we'll get there in the story. And but before we start the story, it's important to give myself context in that I wasn't there and I wasn't researching at the time. And so the actual work of what we do know was done by a bunch of citizen journalists, a bunch of really incredible researchers at the time, which I'm going to try to kind of shout out as we go through it because I didn't do any of the original research. I came in long after the fact and did my research and found all of their work. And

• 2:03Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you have a talent for synthesizing, so.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  I mean, that's what I try to do is I'm good at, I'm good at getting eyes on stories. And a lot of the best researchers and journalists are just good at the information itself, at the journalism.

• 2:14Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly right.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  And we kind of need these different people in these different lanes to sort of help each other out and work together in order to get the story done, but then also get it out to as many people as possible. And this one is so important, as I think we'll talk through here, not just in that it's the most deadly mass shooting in American history, but in that it has very direct political and geopolitical implications for what's happening today on the world stage, depending what theory you subscribe to about what really happened. But the basics of what happened is we're told that Stephen Paddock, this disgruntled 60 something, like real estate guy, ex-gun guy, thought he was a hot shot, but was failing at life.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  And he was slipping in his mental health, he had a gambling problem, and you know, all these little explanations they kind of give after the fact. And he wound up going to Las Vegas. And there's so many places here where I'm going to have to sort of say, first, they told us this, and then they told us this, and then they told us this. And first, they said he checked into the hotel the day before the shooting. But it was later revised because it was obvious that he had checked in like five or six days before the shooting on the 25th of September. And he checks in, and over a series of days, he lugs up, I think, 22 bags of weapons and ammunition to his hotel room, suite 32135. He had two suites, 32135 and 32136 that were adjoining.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  And he rents it alone with no one else on the room, though we later learned that that wasn't true. And he stocks it with all these weapons, which were mostly all AR platforms with bump stocks. Very important that you know they were bump stocks because that's evil and makes no sense. And then there's this country music concert on October 1st, down outside of the Mandalay Bay, across the street in this big parking lot with thousands of attendees. And we'll kind of circle back to this endlessly, I think, as we unpack what really happened and what people really discovered about it. But.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  There's some stuff with the security guard that gets an alert about the doors or about, you know, what's going on in the room and he winds up up there and gets shot at through the doors. And initially, we were told that that happened after the shooting, then it was revised to before, then it was during the shooting. So there's some security guard stuff in the hallway, but what the public found like experienced was there at this Jason Aldean concert and at 10:05 in the evening, a couple of distinct pops ring out over the concert that we have on footage. We have footage of all sorts of shit around this story. And you can hear the pops individual like pop, pop, pop, pop, kind of things.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  And then about a minute later at 10:06, automatic gunfire just starts cracking in the night and people start to run, they start to scatter. Jason Aldean still doesn't realize what's going on because the concert is super loud and he's got his monitors going and all this stuff, even though most of the eyewitnesses that were there claimed that the first shots sounded like they were coming from the stage. They sounded like they were very close is what witnesses described. They sounded like they were coming at them like from right there at the stage. Um, by the second volley, which came a little less than a minute later, Jason Aldean realizes that he gets pulled off stage and everyone's scattering. And then over the course of about nine, 10, nine to 10 minutes, 12 volleys of automatic

• 5:39Speaker 02

  gunfire, uh, ring out in the night and are captured on body cams, they're captured on cellphone videos, they're captured on, you know, various recordings and you can hear them all across the Las Vegas Strip. And then the official story is that Stephen Paddock barricaded in his room up on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay, who he's knocked out a window so he can shoot through the window. He's actually knocked out a window in both of these suites and he's running back and forth between them and shooting his bolt action rifle and then shooting his bump stock ARs and spraying this concert with, with bullets. And he allegedly shot more than a thousand rounds from that room, um, used multiple ARs, even though one would have done the trick. And then.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Allegedly, he just got bored or sick of it and just committed suicide. With no cops at the door, with no reason to stop, with no real explanation for why he stopped. He just stopped, shot himself in the head with a revolver, and that was the end of the shooting. And no other shooting took place, no other gunmen were there, no other things happened that night at all. That's the official narrative. Just this one guy with no motive, no manifesto, no explanation of why. Just did that and then checked out. In the meantime, the concert's tripping out. There's all sorts of other things that are definitively happening all across the Las Vegas Strip, in the air, at the airport, at the other casinos, which we'll get to.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  But the police response to the alleged lone gunman is they, this security guard that had come up and had gotten shot at, he had discovered that the door to that floor from the stairwell was bolted shut. And so he had gone down, gone up the elevator, and then at that point had gotten shot at through the door. We found out that there was cameras kind of set up outside the room. So someone had visibility outside the room. But so the cops get up into the stairwell right by this guy's room. And they are, within a minute or two of the shooting ending, they're like outside the stairwell door that's barricaded, and they're just waiting there.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  And they wind up waiting there allegedly for SWAT teams to show up so that they can bust through that door. And then over an hour after the shooting has ended, and he's allegedly shot himself, finally, the SWAT has, the SWAT, which we'll get to, has busted through the stairwell door and they're on the floor. And then they reach his hotel room door. And we have one body cam of this that is very suspicious. And he's dead there on the floor and they secure the room and it's all over. But.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Immediately, the public was completely not with that explanation because everyone that had been there had experienced something completely different than that. And everything that was coming out from the LVMPD, Las Vegas Metro Police Department, they had changed, their stories had been strange during the night. Things that had obviously happened, things that were recorded on body cams, things that had been witnessed all across the Las Vegas Strip were completely absent from what they were telling people had happened. And every single person that was there had heard the gunfire that was clearly not the firing of AR platforms. It was clearly some sort of, and I'm not the weapons expert on

• 9:07Speaker 02

  this, but there's lots of them there. It was a country music concert and the consensus was that it sounded like belt-fed machine guns of some sort. And when you watch the video footage, which is available online, and we'll talk about some cool resources online, the video footage very clearly can be heard that this is something else. But you can also hear that there's multiple guns being fired at once. And you can hear that some of these machine guns are in different locations while they're simultaneously firing, just from the way they sound. You can hear lots of different stuff going on just in those 12 volleys of automatic gunfire. But just to sort of tease out the audience on how many things we're going to have to talk about to get to the bottom of this, we have,

• 9:51Speaker 02

  for example, at midnight, more than like an hour and a half after this guy's allegedly shot himself in the head, we have at least nine different police body cams that are public on the internet right now that you can go watch, where all nine of them, at 11:59, I think it is, all of them in different locations around the Strip, record like seven to five volleys of automatic gunfire, somewhere down by the Bellagio. And I say seven to five because some of their body cams capture the later five and some of them capture an earlier two as well. And in between there, you can hear the police dispatch saying, "We got reports of shots at Bellagio, shots at Bellagio." And then all throughout the night, there's all sorts of body cam footage, talking about, "We've got a suspect at Tropicana,

• 10:35Speaker 02

  we got a gunman at Tropicana, we've got someone at Bellagio, we got someone in the Mirage." There's basically something is happening at various times throughout the night, generally in a northward pattern, at almost every casino on the Strip. Some of them are far more corroborated than others like the Bellagio. There is dozens and dozens and dozens of 911 calls. There's body cam footage with stuff like I just described. So there's stuff happening in the casinos that clearly doesn't line up with one lone gunman in one window that's been dead for an hour, two hours by the time these reports are coming in. Then there's stuff that happens at the airport. And there's lots of stuff that happens at the airport, but the simple Ts of that is

• 11:17Speaker 02

  that we actually have the audio from the control tower, air traffic control, saying, I think it's about an hour. What would it be? It's not an hour. It's at 10:35. So Paddock allegedly kills himself somewhere around 10:16 to 10:18. At 10:35, air traffic control says we have an active shooter on the runway.

• 11:42Tucker Carlson?

  On the runway?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  On the runway. And we have a really-

• 11:46Tucker Carlson?

  On the airport runway?

• 11:46Speaker 02

  On the airport runway.

• 11:47Tucker Carlson?

  At McCarran at the main-

• 11:48Speaker 02

  At McCarran, yeah.

• 11:49Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Although they renamed it, but yeah, at McCarran Airport.

• 11:51Tucker Carlson?

  The Harry Reid-

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is right there next to the concert. It's like, you know, two blocks over.

• 11:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's an in-town airport, but it's a huge airport.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Huge airport. And at the time, there is a police helicopter circling over top, looking at, trying to figure out what's going on at the airport, because something big happened at the airport. But the footage that we eventually, that journalists got released, feels very doctored because it's pointing at one weird angle and it's spiraling around. So you only get very small glimpses of what's on the runway, but you do see several groups of people walking around on the runway and it's in infrared. And there's a couple of these groups of people that look like they're wearing black things. They have black things, which in infrared is steel, is, you know, no heat. So guns, body armor, those sorts of things would show up in black. So there's visual of stuff happening on the runway.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  There's air traffic control saying, we have an active shooter on the runway. And then one minute later, someone comes onto that radio call and says, I want you to kill the lights on this runway and that runway.

• 12:50Tucker Carlson?

  Kill the lights?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, turn off the lights. And they turned off the lights at the airport for a certain amount of time. We don't know exactly.

• 12:54Tucker Carlson?

  And that's recorded?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  How long it's recorded. It's on audio.

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• 16:11Tucker Carlson?

  If you thought you had a man with a gun somewhere at night, why would you turn off the lights?

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Well, the only reason that I would think of, the most obvious reason that I would think of is because you also are doing things there that will benefit you to have the darkness to get away or to finish what you're doing or something. And we're going to come back to all that because there's what we were told happened. And then there's what we have evidence did happen. And then there's theories of how could you possibly explain all of that in a rational way that would actually fit it all together? Because right now the public has this experience with Charlie Kirk's assassination, unfortunately, where when a crime is committed, obviously, the actual explanation will explain all the facts.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Some of them might be in weird coincidences. Some of them might just be crazy circumstances. But the actual explanation of what really did happen really does explain every single fact about a situation, right? Like, that's just the nature of reality. You know what I mean?

• 17:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  When you know the real explanation, everything fits. And it can be bizarre, it can be anomalous sometimes, but it has to be that that real explanation will suddenly click into place.

• 17:30Tucker Carlson?

  And in other words, the facts have to drive the explanation rather than the explanation driving the fact.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Bingo. And so, when it comes to Vegas, there's actually, after citizens, journalists, media pushed so hard, they sued, they went through years of fighting to get the most basic stuff released, like autopsies, body cam footage, audios, basic reports about, you know, police reports and such about what had happened, things that very much should have been public and forthcoming, that weren't. And they had to sue the LVMPPD, they had to sue the coroner personally in order to get the autopsy of Stephen Paddock released. I think he eventually wound up paying like $32,000 or something like that. And so, after

• 18:18Speaker 02

  all that stuff got released, we actually have quite a bit, like a huge body of evidence. It would take the average person months to acquaint themselves with all of this stuff. Which is why I gave that disclaimer at the start, that I wasn't there and I wasn't one of the researchers at the start, and I had to try to, like, become acquainted with the story after the fact, which is a monumental task. And so, I'm leaning on the shoulders of all these people that did all this incredible work to try to uncover this, and then to theorize about what really happened. And there's still a certain amount you're never going to get back when you look backwards at these kinds of things, because so much gets covered up.

• 18:55Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  So much requires you to have been there or to have talked to the witnesses.

• 18:59Tucker Carlson?

  That's correct.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Whatever it is. And, surprise, a number of the witnesses that were most vocal about the fact that there was more than one shooter actually died. Strange deaths in the weeks following, like people that were taken to Twitter or Facebook.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  And being very vocal about their testimony that, no, I guarantee you it was more than one shooter. I know it was more than one shooter. Multiple different people that were doing that died in things like car crashes or of like weird medical Actually? Yeah, so I don't know the number of exactly how many, because those are harder to trace down and confirm, but I know for a fact, like, for example, there was a couple that died in a car wreck that had been there and had survived and that had been, I think it was the husband that had been pretty vocal online about how there was more than one shooter and they're, they're both in a car wreck and they die. There's another woman that had been extremely vocal and had one of the most sort of viral multiple shooter testimonies that I think that she died of a health thing.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  One of them, one of them died of like a, a random like kind of robbery, shooting kind of thing. And, and those ones are, those things are harder and harder to confirm because there's not as much reporting about a single random person's death. Of course. Sort of like a, a nobody, so to speak. And by then, the apparent cover up was in very much full swing. But it's pretty well confirmed that at least a fair, at least a handful of survivors that were vocal about the story being wrong, happened to die. And maybe that's just all coincidences, but um, there's no coincidental explanation for the number of things that don't fit that narrative that night.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  And so now we've kind of covered the official narrative. Lone gunman, no explanation. And that is their official explanation is that there was no why, they never figured out why. And that it ended by, you know, 10:16 or 10:18 and that was it. And nothing else is true. So after the fact, I'm come to the story trying to learn about it. And I spend a number of days digging through various people's documentaries and various people's YouTube channels and various people's reporting about it, sifting through kind of all the old material. And I wind up, I stumble across this website called Vegas Shooting Map dot com. And I don't know who made Vegas Shooting Map dot com, but whoever they are, they are

• 21:26Speaker 02

  a hero. Because what they did is they made a website using Google's map tools to build a archived map that is actually overlaid over Google Maps that has little pins for every single piece of original documented, not literally every piece, but hundreds and hundreds of 911 calls actually sourced. Click it and then you're at the 911 call listening to the audio, timestamped out for when the first volley is, when the second volley is, when the third volley is, or it's a reported shooting at Tropicana and you can listen to the, the audio of this 911 call. And it's so it's like this invaluable resource of calls and autopsies, the death reports, police body cam footage, cell phone videos. I don't know who made it.

• 22:08Tucker Carlson?

  That is an enormous task.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable.

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• 24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, the amount of effort that went into making it might have been multiple people. And I've asked around a little bit, and I've never gotten an answer as to who made it.

• 24:27Tucker Carlson?

  Can you say the name of the site again in case people?

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Vegas Shooting Map dot com.

• 24:30Tucker Carlson?

  Vegas Shooting Map.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Now, whenever I type V E G into my web browser, it suggests Vegas Shooting Map because I've been there so many times. And so for me, when I stumbled across that, that's a goldmine. Because any story that's been covered up, any story that you suspect foul play in the reporting or in the mainstream kind of narrative, the first thing you have to do is hone in on what are the documented primary source facts

• 24:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  that we can read and understand and see and hear. And So then I just started sifting through and I started watching body cams and I started listening to 911 calls and I started re piecing it together for myself because I'd found there's a number of really great reporters that I'll credit throughout here like John Cullen and Jason Goodman and Mindy Robinson and yourself, you did some on it too. Alex Jones did some on it.

• 25:17Tucker Carlson?

  I got nothing, but it didn't smell right.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Well, you at least spoke up. You at least were someone that was in that mainstream media space that was not buying it because it was just, it stank. And so there's all these people that have made media that synthesizes it and made media that speculates and takes it much, much further, especially into the Saudi angle that we'll talk about. But for me, I was like, I need to start with understanding the information and see if I can arrive at a similar factual understanding of like, when I look at the original evidence without these narratives on it, do I arrive at a similar conclusion? And immediately, it's, it only takes you like five clicks on random pieces of evidence on that map to realize that it's clearly not a lone gunman in the Mandalay Bay. Because how would I have this

• 26:01Speaker 02

  massive cluster of 911 calls coming from the Bellagio, which is like, I don't know, like half a mile to a mile up the strip. It's like a giant block and a half. If you've ever been to Vegas, it's, Vegas is a crazy place of gigantic monolithic buildings of sin that it stretches on and on and on. And the Bellagio is way up on the northern end of the strip and the Mandalay Bay is the southernmost building. And most of these calls come in an hour and more after Paddock has allegedly killed himself. And we're talking like people that work there. We're talking security guards. We're talking victims, people alleging that they've seen the shooter, describing the shooter, and it happens in multiple waves. And then a lot of them are clustered around, for example, those nine body cams that capture

• 26:45Speaker 02

  audio of multiple bursts of automatic fire while we're getting 911 calls from the Bellagio saying that there's active shooters at the Bellagio, while the police dispatcher is saying, we've got a shooter at the Bellagio. So. When you dig into this primary source evidence, you very quickly realize that this is not just paddock. It's not a lone gunman. And so, once I familiarized myself with that, then I expanded out to like, okay, so then what did the people that did all this work? What did they conclude? What was their understanding of this evidence? And where did they take a possible explanation? And that's where it gets really interesting. And we don't know for sure, but, uh, but I think there's actually a pretty, a pretty solid lead.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  And whatever it is, it's still at play in the modern, the modern information space. Because anytime you have one of these shootings or, you know, false flag events or anything that gets covered up on this scale, right? If you buy the mainstream narrative, all bets are off. You know, there's no facts there. There's no understanding of reality there. If you buy the mainstream narrative about 9/11, you have no level of understanding of even how many buildings fell or why they fell, like let alone who could have, you know, brought these towers down the way they came down? Who could have, you know, guarded these hijackers the way that they were guarded all the way there? Funded it, et cetera.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  But, um, once you realize that the mainstream narrative on one of these events is for sure, not the whole story, then you actually open up to a whole world of, uh, almost any explanation is possible, right? It's, if it's a shooting and you don't even know who perpetrated it, you don't even know how many shooters there were. You don't even really know what guns were used. And there's no forthcoming information with the authorities. Well, then journalists have a monumental task ahead of them, right? To A, uncover the evidence and B, try to fit any possible motive and perpetrator to the crime. And I think that's the most interesting question in the Las Vegas one in my mind is, who has the motive to do such a horrible thing, right?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Because.

• 28:59Tucker Carlson?

  Um. Well, it depends what the goal was.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Exactly. Like, why are we doing this? Because if it's lone gunman Paddock, I mean, A, he can't do the things that we actually have evidence happened. But like, even if it's just a lone gunman, why are you shooting down into a crowd of people? Even, even a crazed shooter has a motive and you can trace that through their life. But when you realize that, well, no, that's not all that happened. I mean, there was spraying of bullets down into this crowd. But then there were shootings happening at all these other hotels, at least at some of them, even if some of these reports are fake, they can't all be fake. And then there's things happening at the airport that are, that are strange, that there's some shooting happening at the airport. So it's like, are we, is this a gang war between like, the Italian mob and the Jewish mob? Is this a, is this a CIA operation that went wrong? Is this like a Jason Bourne movie that then

• 29:47Speaker 02

  they're covering up the tracks of like, Jason Bourne's like, killing spree? Is this like, a Mossad-like operation? And, and any of those things would need to fit the facts, right? And you can kind of try to, like, in lieu of enough facts, you can always try to fit, you know, the right, you can try to fit a perpetrator to the facts and sort of invent explanations that will work. But when the crime, for, for me, what kind of kept sticking in my mind, is how heinous the crime against these festival goers was. It just did not seem to match the other stuff that was happening that night. That was, that, because we don't have random women, like, shot in the face in the Tropicana,

• 30:32Speaker 02

  and in New York, New York, and in the Bellagio. At least, we don't know of that. If that happened, it was all covered up. There was shooting reported in all of those places, all these other hotels, all down the strip, at the airport and everything. And there are victims that are dead in other places. Mostly, there's like, over near the airport, and kind of in a few hotels, kind of in the direction of the airport, coupled down by the Tropicana.

• 30:56Tucker Carlson?

  Who are dead.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, and you have to sort through it really, sift through it really carefully, because some of them, it could have, I think, were, were confirmed to be festival goers that were hit and injured and escaping, and then died of their injuries further out. And so, uh, they can be represented as having died, like, you know, over there, when technically they were shot at the festival. But not all of them. Um, and even at the festival. Um, there's most of the deaths happened right in the middle of the festival grounds, but there's a cluster of about six bodies that died at the far north eastern side of the festival grounds. So the opposite side of the Mandalay Bay where the shooter allegedly was, and they were across a barrier. They were on the other side of a barrier that obscured line of sight. So they were not visible to the Mandalay Bay. And there's a cluster of

• 31:41Speaker 02

  four of them along a fence line there and then two in a parking lot like right next door that died right there that very much looked like they were shot right there. Not that they escaped.

• 31:49Tucker Carlson?

  And that would that be for a, he was shooting 223 primarily, but also 308?

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had multiple calibers in the room.

• 31:56Tucker Carlson?

  Would that be out of range for the gun?

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Hey, I'm not the gun guy, but it certainly is. There's, there's no world where that's the shots that were taken. Some of the, some of the rifles he allegedly shot with didn't even have scopes on them. He had, he had rifles that did have scopes, but he also had rifles that didn't have scopes. And he had rifles that had bump stocks and he had some rifles that didn't have bump stocks. And they alleged, the official story is that he switched back and forth between different rifles and some of them he reloaded and some of them he didn't. And some of them had scopes and some of them didn't. And he fired some of the ones that didn't have scopes at this massive range down into this crowd. Um, and we have a video from a police body cam right after the shooting, walking through this crowd with all this tragedy around them. And he's talking to someone, whether it's a medic or I'm not sure exactly who he's talking to, but they're commenting back and forth

• 32:41Speaker 02

  in a conversation about how many direct like center headshots there are, how many people like seem to have been executed. And the people in the crowd, almost all of them believe that there were shooters on the ground, that there were shooters coming into the, into the event venue from the entrances and shooting into the crowd from the ground. And then journalists picked up on this and started researching it. And I believe John Cullen did a lot of work on getting the autopsy data actually released and then analyzing and realizing that a bunch of these people were shot at parallel to ground trajectories, meaning that the shooter would have to be on the ground. Cause if you're up in a hotel balcony, like in a hotel window at the 32nd floor, the bullets will hit the ground. They'll be coming down. And there are a lot of people that were shot at that angle. And we'll talk

• 33:23Speaker 02

  about helicopters in a second, but there are a number of people that were shot parallel to the ground. And it's like, were they all bullets that ricocheted off the ground and then like, you know, then went off and hit someone at a near parallel to ground angle? I doubt it. Then there was autopsies found where people were shot directly down from above, like straight down through them.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  And so as researchers started to pull on these various threads.

• 33:47Tucker Carlson?

  Like through the top of the head.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Like through the, like from the air above them. And it didn't take, like, it didn't take until those autopsies came out. It was the very first day that people were already alleging that they believed there was helicopters shooting at them. And there's helicopters in the videos, you can see the helicopters in the videos. And the witnesses talk about helicopters having been there in the air. And a lot of them say that they suspect that the helicopters were shooting, that they felt like the helicopters were shooting at them.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  But then, when you read the official story, the police reports, no mention of helicopters at all, none of that at all. It's just the lone gunman. And then, when you look at the flight radar data from that night, there are a lot of suspicious helicopters that take off and land from and at the two helicopter operators in the airport there, Sundance and, uh, I'm blanking on the one that Maverick, Sundance and Maverick. But there's also helicopters, John Cullen, do you know who John Cullen is?

• 34:44Tucker Carlson?

  John Cohen.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna reference John Cullen's work a lot tonight because he's this like, like deeply autistic type of researcher that just has a YouTube channel that very few people have ever heard of.

• 34:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, yes.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  But he's the sheriff with like the glasses.

• 34:56Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  And he's like a very funny guy, but he just like went after this story for years and years. And he's, he's the type of detail oriented person that just, that, that would get the baseline. Like I'll watch every Sunday's flight patterns for six weeks so I can get the baseline. And then I'll track every single flight that went out this night so that I can understand what's in the air. And then I'll look at every single footage and oriented on the map and get the, get the lay with the time. And then I'll know that like, I know if I'm seeing a flight that's on the flight patterns or if it's this thing in the air that we're seeing in this footage is not documented. And, and he went through all this work extensively to very thoroughly prove that there are many birds in the air that night that are not on the flight radar at all. And they seem to have flashing coming from them. They, they very much seem to be involved in what's going on.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  And so there's a lot of videos that are on that map I was referring to, that as you watch, some of them are body cam and some of them are cellphone videos. And you can see these helicopters flying around behind the Mandalay Bay and back around and around behind the Mandalay Bay and back around. And you can see little flashes coming, peppering kind of the, the night sky from in between the two hotels that are there, clearly out in the sky, as though there was gunfire coming from an airborne craft of some sort.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  And so that got a lot of people thinking of who would that be? And how would that happen? And how would you get helicopters into one of the most busy metropolitan airspaces in the world? That's like, this is an extremely surveilled place. I mean, not to mention the surveillance that we should have of all of these shooters in all of these hotels, right?

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• 38:22Speaker 02

  Vegas like leads the world for CCTV, doesn't it? Yeah. And so none of that ever came out. None of it ever came out. So we have, so here's the thing, which you know more about than me. MGM owns like, you know, 80% of the strip or whatever. I'm exaggerating, I think, but it's MGM owns a huge number of these casinos that are not named MGM. And

• 38:45Speaker 02

  there is footage of this occurring in one instance, but there's testimony of it happening left and right of a hotel employee that was working that night that was told, that was basically forced to sign an NDA that says, you're not allowed to talk about what happened last night. Nothing happened last night. Your lips are sealed. And it very much was a blanket gag order on all employees of these hotels. None of the hotels gave out any footage. They all just locked everything down.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  And they even fought the police on the story to make the story become something that would not make them look bad. And an example of that is the security guy that I was saying got shot at that we're going to come back to. Yes, I remember this. Yeah. Jesus Campos, Jose Campos. Yes, Jose Campos. Jose Campos. So he, the first version of his story was that he came up, the door was bolted. He went down, he came up the elevator and then it was after the shooting had ended, he gets shot at through this door and then escapes. Then that didn't really like square for whatever reason. And the police changed the story to like, oh no, actually that was three minutes before the shooting started that he got shot at through the door.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  So that must've been why Steven Paddock went crazy all at once is because he realized he was running out of time. And so they're like, that's cool. That's our narrative. That's going to work. But then MGM was like, well, F you, because that makes us look like idiots. Because then what are we talking, what are we doing here? Like then we would have had advanced notice if our security guy got shot at three minutes before the shooting started, we didn't know any response. So like, that's not going to work. And so MGM actually got mad at the police and the police changed their story again to be, no, actually, Jose Campos got shot at about 40 seconds after the shooting started during the shooting volleys is when they, that's the third and final version of the official story of Jose Campos.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  And Jose Campos put out a statement that was something like, I do not contest that statement. That was like his official statement, very much canned, and then just like, poof, he was gone. Obviously.

• 40:48Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, didn't he wind up in Mexico?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a thing where he was going to test.

• 40:54Tucker Carlson?

  He drove his car to Mexico.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think it was that he was gonna do a bunch of news stories and he was kinda like lined up for a bunch of news hits. And then he just like, actually, he went to Mexico, who knows? But then he got brought back and did Ellen, is what it was, right?

• 41:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  And he got brought back to do Ellen. Ellen was sponsored by the casinos because you had all the slot machines rolling, right? So he did one Ellen interview where Ellen fed him all of his lines and then he disappeared. And that became the narrative for him.

• 41:20Tucker Carlson?

  Has he ever emerged to tell a story?

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Not that I know of. Um, and to be fair, I haven't done enough digging into his story yet. There's, I mean, to be fair, I still, I feel like I could spend another year digging into this. And I still would only be approaching the kind of expertise that some of these other guys have about it. Cause they did devote years and years and years to this. And there's just so much to learn and to look at because it's such a crazy event with so many pieces of evidence. And, and Campos is this one really interesting one that exposes a lot of elements of what was going on here. In that you had the hotel, the hotels interests in their reputation, their money, whatever was going on. You have the way that hotel employees were a part of this thing, but then had to, you know, represent after the thing. You have the police narrative involved in his story.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  And you have a really important detail, it just in that, like, A, let's think it through. If the sounds that we all hear in those videos, this like

• 42:16Speaker 02

  is happening inside of that hotel room and you can hear it all across the Las Vegas Strip. It's like, these are deafening sounds, obviously. If Jose is in the hallway, right outside of that door, you damn well better believe he remembers if that was happening when he got shot at.

• 42:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Someone's open, opens up with automatic weapons, it, it resonates.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not like Campos doesn't remember.

• 42:39Tucker Carlson?

  Thought there were fireworks.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  It's not like he changed his story because he didn't know if there was this cacophony of automatic gunfire happening across the door. Obviously, that is a shifting narrative to meet various needs of whatever the narrative builders need.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  But the, the, the nature of him getting shot through that door is interesting. Once you start to put away the mainstream narrative and just to look at all the information as it is and try to figure out what the hell was this? And what went on here? And we'll have to kind of rewind at the beginning to unpack that because there's a lot of facts that we haven't even talked about yet that become very important. But trying to figure out what happened with him and why he got shot through the door at that moment, and maybe even when he did get shot through the door, that's interesting because it involves the fact that there was cameras rigged up outside the door facing into the hallway to surveil the hallway for whatever, to protect whatever was happening inside the room. They weren't recording video, but they were live. You know what I mean?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  So whoever was watching their feeds could see the other side, could see the hallway. And so as a security guard approaches this door, whenever he approached it, I mean, based upon the fact that the first testimony was that it was not when gunfire was happening actively, I would assume that he approached the door when there was no automatic gunfire happening actively. But I don't know. But whoever's in the room doing whatever they're doing, and it was guaranteed, it was definitely more than one person, and we can talk about the door locks in a minute. They see a security guard on these cameras, and their response is to shoot a round of fire through the doorway at him to get him to go away, or to kill him, you know, whatever. And that's really weird.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  That's really interesting because obviously it implies that whatever's happening in the room, you need him to not come in, you need him to not knock. So obviously, there's something happening in the room that needs to be finished before the heat comes. But like, we have pretty strong evidence at this point that Paddock was dead by then. Paddock was not a part of this. And whatever was happening in the room, it's like, what was happening in the room? What were you doing that needed to be finished before the heat came to that room? Because they had taken the time to put this tiny little L bracket, this little metal L bracket on the stairwell door, so people couldn't come up the stairs onto the floor right next to their room. But it was like a little Home Depot thing. It was not the kind of thing you need the SWAT team to bust down. And they'd rigged up these cameras.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  And so then it's like, like, okay, your, your brain, if you don't take the narrative, the mainstream narrative at all, it's like, what, what is this? Is this like a heist? Is this like a casino heist or something? Um, which is not what I think it was, but it's just if you start to ask like, what could that be that's happening in that room? Is this like Ocean's Eleven and they need to like protect part of their heist or something until they get away with the jewels? It's like, maybe that starts to explain a piece of this, but that's what I mean by like, when you look at the original evidence and you try to square it with like an explanation that fits it all, it starts to get pretty fascinating and pretty weird. And in order to do that, we have to rewind past Campos, back to the start, because we know for a fact that Paddock wasn't alone in that room. And we know for almost complete certain fact that he was dead before any of this even happened.

• 45:48Tucker Carlson?

  Any of the shooting.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, before any of the shooting happened. And just to kind of

• 45:52Tucker Carlson?

  We do?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  whet our whistle on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we don't know it for fact, fact, fact, but the actual official photo of, of Paddock dead in the room, like overhead, looking down at him with the blood stain.

• 46:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  There's very clearly two blood stains. It's very clearly a dry blood stain that's been like dried into the carpet that is one color, and then a fresh, like glistening red blood stain that is much smaller and fresher and redder over top of it. And there's blood on his chest in that photo for some reason. Although if you commit suicide, shoot yourself in the head, there's no reason why you would have a giant singular blood stain on your chest.

• 46:30Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  And, and so really quickly, while we're in this room here at that moment, let's unpack some of the other things that very much just debunk this regular narrative that are hard evidence that you can view for yourself. The SWAT team that they're waiting for to breach his room, they never came. Um, although Las Vegas has one of the largest SWAT teams in America, one of the largest SWAT teams in the world, they never came. The actual team that breached his room, we have one body cam that shows it, and they put out a report saying who was in the, the breaching party. It was one SWAT officer. I think it was two canine officers whose dogs they left back in the cars, and then a bunch of other police officers that just kind of like hodgepodge in there. And that becomes very important later when you start to ask where the fuck were the SWAT officers? What were the SWAT doing? Because they were doing something.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  But they didn't, they, they, the story is that they're waiting for the SWAT team. And the mainstream media at first tried to run with like this crazy, like CNN actually has a clip that I can give to you where the next day or two days later CNN is like, tells a fantasy about how the SWAT team busted down the door and Paddock tried to fight his way through them and they had a gun battle and Paddock shot one of the SWAT guys in the leg. What? And all, and he got out into the hall before they neutralized him. Yeah, they just like literally made up fantasy on CNN live and we have the recording. I'll give it to you. And, and obviously that, none of that happened at all. And we know now from eventual release of files, documents and, you know, a body cam, that it was only one SWAT guy and all these other police officers.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  And so we have this body cam from Officer Bitsko that they had to fight to get released. And we only have one because they told everyone to turn their body cams off. And that happened multiple times throughout the night and I've got the clips and I can share them with you. And they are on that map that I was telling people about so other people can go and find them for themselves too. Where like a bunch of officers are like around about to do something. And there's a couple of instances throughout the night where this happens where then they kind of are like, all right, body cams off, body cams off, body cams off. And they're all going around and turning off their body cams. And for whatever reason, I'm not sure if we ever found out why, it's possible we did, Bitsko didn't turn his off. So Officer Bitsko's body cam, he's one of the K9 officers, that does exist and we do have body cam footage of the breach.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  And they breached the door and one of them accidentally shoots three rounds, like just, like they're just tripping out. Um, even though the official story is like Paddock wasn't alive, he was already dead on the ground. He had been dead there for an hour. Um, there's no reason to shoot his rifle, but they were just hyped up, I guess. So they breached the door, three rounds go off really fast, which is kind of a nothing. And then they enter the room. And when they enter the room, they're looking for the window where this guy shot out of. And you can watch it on the body cam. And they go to the windows and they pull the curtains back and they're like, no, I have no broken window, no, it's not broken, no, no window. And they pull the other curtains back and they're looking and they all are like, there's no broken window, there's no, no window.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  And they're standing right. So we have crime scene photos showing the floor with the hammer that he allegedly used to break this window open because Las Vegas has like crazy glass that you can't just break. So he allegedly brought this special hammer that'll break that glass. And we have a photo of that hammer with broken glass all over the floor with just shell casings, shell casings, shell casings, just all because there's a thousand fucking shell casings in this room at this point, plus 4,000 unspent rounds that he just got bored and didn't want to shoot and just checked out. So in the photo, we see the, the ground next to the curtain of the window with the hammer with all this broken glass and all these shell casings. But in the body cam footage of them going into his room, when that photo should already, it should already be exactly like the photo

• 50:09Speaker 02

  shows us, they can't find the window and they're not stepping on any broken glass or any shell casings at all. They're looking for it. They can't find it. And there's like six officers looking for this window.

• 50:19Tucker Carlson?

  How long did it take for that body cam footage to come out after the shooting?

• 50:23Speaker 02

  You know, I don't know exactly, but I believe it was months and months and months. It might've been a year or more.

• 50:27Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right. Because it was never supposed to come out. It was never even supposed to exist.

• 50:31Tucker Carlson?

  But all coverage, as you said at the very outset, all coverage of the shooting had just died and it was never spoken.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it lasted like four or five days. And there's, you can see graphs, people have kind of charted the number of stories about it. And it's just like, everyone's talking about it for two days and then just gone, completely gone. And then YouTube started putting, started banning accounts for talking about it. Uh, come on.

• 50:54Tucker Carlson?

  All the different social media agencies started banning accounts for it. Yeah.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  And I have screenshots of.

• 50:59Tucker Carlson?

  On what grounds?

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Things that are because, um, well, the grounds was spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and misinformation. Um, but there had happened to have been a active shooter drill that was done in the area, like the week before or something like that, the day before, I think it was the day before. And so they've been recruiting crisis actors for this active shooter drill that was being run in the area, which.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  You know, if you learn enough about these kinds of events, you realize that drills are a huge red flag. But I believe what was done is that then they accused these conspiracy theorists of basically doing the Sandy Hook thing. And they straw manned the journalism that was happening to say, you're claiming that no one died. And that's so evil because you're saying that they're all crisis actors. And so we're going to ban you. And that's not what anyone was saying. No one was saying that no one died. No one was saying that it was all crisis actors. But they sort of finagled the one thing into the other thing into the other thing to say, well, there was an active shooter drill, so it was all legit. And you're all saying it was fake, which they weren't. And so you're banned.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  And so a bunch of channels got taken down, a bunch of journalists got banned off of platforms. And they did their best to shut it all down, but people didn't stop. People just kept digging and digging.

• 52:20Tucker Carlson?

  That is crazy.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they breached, they can't find the window. About a minute later, they breached the other room. And this is another impossibility with the official story. Paddock rents these two suites. One is like the master suite on the, because the, those towers, they're kind of like these three pronged towers. And you can rent the suite that's at the end of the tower where you have like the 180 degree windows of the whole of the tower. And he rents the one facing out towards this event. But he also rented, well, it's not exactly facing towards, like next to. Then he also rented the room right next door and they're adjoining. And so there's a door that connects the two. And the official story is that the windows in both rooms were broken out and that he

• 53:04Speaker 02

  was shooting through the one room with his bolt action rifle to try to blow up the fuel tanks over at the airport. And he failed to do so, but he was in the other room shooting his bolt action rifle. And then he was running back to the other room with his ARs and rapid fire bump stocking with his bump stock that never jammed. Um, that's the official story. But then the police get in there and the side room is bolted from the other side. And he's the only one that's there. There's no one else in the rooms, apparently. And the way they say that is because his room was bolted from the inside, the side room, but the side room was also bolted and they had to breach it with explosive breaching charges. And it's on, you can see it on camera. And so.

• 53:44Tucker Carlson?

  So he was magic is what you're saying?

• 53:45Speaker 02

  He was magic, right? Because you can't bolt your side room from the other side while you're in a mass shooting spree, and then wind up in your room and shoot yourself in the head. You can't do it. And so there's all these little things that.

• 53:59Tucker Carlson?

  Physics intervenes.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Exactly, that physics and just reality intervenes once the evidence started to come out. And they've never really acknowledged any of that. That's all just kind of.

• 54:07Tucker Carlson?

  They've never acknowledged it.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  No. I mean, how could you? There's no acknowledging to be done. Yeah, and by the way, by then Lombardo was busy being chief of police in Lahaina, if I'm not mistaken.

• 54:19Tucker Carlson?

  You're not mistaken.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Right?

• 54:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  So he was at his next important job.

• 54:24Tucker Carlson?

  Where is he now?

• 54:25Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's a good question. Someone should track him down and maybe move far away from him. But so that's the room. And just the room, just the footage of that, just that is enough to say it's all it's all horse shit. And you have to go back to square one and start over with what actually did happen.

• 54:44Tucker Carlson?

  And no one who put out that story, no official in charge, either Clark County sheriffs,

• 54:51Tucker Carlson?

  LVMPP, FBI, no one has ever explained how Stephen Paddock could have locked himself out.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  To my knowledge.

• 54:59Tucker Carlson?

  Of his adjoining suite.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Yep. But they also, they also don't explain how the locks appear to have been tampered with. There's a whole bunch of weird locks. So someone, I forget his name, I have him sourced in my, in my notes. He got the door logs from the hotel. I don't know if he had a source at the hotel or something, but he got the official because the Las Vegas surveils everything. And they have logs of the dock, of the locks of every single room of when it's, when it's closed, when it's open, whether it was open from the inside or the outside, the deadbolt status. And they have the time recorded and everything. And there's, there's a shot heard by a witness earlier in the day at like three in the afternoon,

• 55:43Speaker 02

  3:30 in the afternoon, which is kind of maybe related, but a sort of a different story. But then throughout the day there in the afternoon, the deadbolts start doing really weird things where it's like open, close, open, close, open, close. And then at one point it, um, what does it do? The. Door is opened from the inside, logged, and then the next log is deadbolt unlocked. Meaning that after some weird deadbolt stuff has been happening, then at a certain point, it displays something that's physically impossible, which is that the door was opened before it was unlocked, and then it was unlocked, which would imply, based upon, this is what other researchers,

• 56:27Speaker 02

  you know, kind of gathered at the time, and I would agree, based on what I've seen of the evidence that they pulled out, is that that means that you have just hacked the keycard system, so that you can maybe remotely be unlocking and locking these doors, or you have some sort of altered access to these rooms. And that would start to explain how the locks could be locked from the inside with no one in there, right? Because if you throw away the garbage Stephen Paddock story, you still have to explain how you wound up with two suites with a dead man inside, with the bolts locked from the inside, and no broken windows.

• 57:06Tucker Carlson?

  On either side.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, on either side. Well, actually, that's, that's a, I believe, we aren't entirely clear, because we have some helicopter footage, we have some body cam footage, and we have this bullshit narrative. I believe that the window in the other suite was broken out. Um, and I think that we have that on the helicopter footage, and I think you can kind of see it, like, it's a little hard to make it out, and like, some of the photos taken from the ground that night, but there are some HD photos where you can kind of make out that it looks like there is kind of a broken window in the other room. But it's Paddock's room where the majority of the gunfire allegedly came from. That's where you see this police entrance where they can't find the window that's broken out, and all that, so.

• 57:47Tucker Carlson?

  So I guess the picture that emerges is one in which the facts not only don't support the narrative, the story, but they're like, completely at odds. It's not a close call. It's not like, oh, did I see someone in the grass? You know, I'm not sure. Let's look at the.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  It's not like Butler where you have to get, you know, 10 miles deep to the report and to be like, wait, what is with these cellphones?

• 58:10Tucker Carlson?

  Apparently fraudulent.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, like right in the in the original video evidence, you can see the helicopters in the original footage that people put out from their cell phones. You can hear in the original evidence that was all over the internet that night. You can just hear the gunfire and know that it's not ARs with bump stocks. It's just not, right? And then you can obviously hear all the testimony from all the people of all of these other things that happened that night that are complete lies. They're all made up. It's all just, it's just people hearing echoes.

• 58:43Tucker Carlson?

  So why wouldn't? So this is why I went out to Las Vegas twice in 2017, but then just got caught up in life.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Always more stories.

• 58:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, or short attention span. It's I'm not making excuses, but um.

• 58:57Tucker Carlson?

  But I didn't realize that the corpus of counter evidence was so enormous. It certainly merits an FBI investigation.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Certainly does, but here's the thing is I think they know everything that happened.

• 59:07Tucker Carlson?

  What but was there ever an official FBI investigation?

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. Uh, it depends on how you define it. The FBI was involved in the original investigation and I believe that the FBI did rule on, you know, a certain element of this and then the LVMPP put out their own report as well. And they put out a behavioral analysis of Paddock like a year later or something like that.

• 59:28Tucker Carlson?

  And I remember his, well, two things, but there but the FBI signed off on the totally absurd official conclusion.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Tucker Carlson?

  They did, okay.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  I believe so.

• 59:37Tucker Carlson?

  A, B, his brother, I remember got busted for kiddie porn.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't actually know much about that.

• 59:43Tucker Carlson?

  I don't either, but I just having lived in DC my whole life, I associate.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  It was it was a while after the fact, right?

• 59:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and it's like a joke in Washington, the kiddie porn, I mean kiddie porn is disgusting and I couldn't be more opposed to it. I hate pornography in general, but kiddie porn specifically has a reputation in DC.

• 1:00:04Tucker Carlson?

  Not among ignorant people, but among people who pay attention as like the hallmark of a, of a manufacturer's story like, oh, he got arrested for kiddie porn. He can't talk or whatever. And as soon as I heard that, I was like,

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  George Zinn at

• 1:00:14Tucker Carlson?

  Very much like George Zinn.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Assassination. So

• 1:00:16Tucker Carlson?

  People are laughing about that who I know. Oh, of course, the guy's busted for kiddie porn.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:21Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Shut him up. Get him away from the

• 1:00:24Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not, look, I have no specific evidence about George Zinn or about Stephen Paddock's brother, but that is a very well known. It's a joke. It's a cliche.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Yep. And especially when it's just so coincidental. There's like, yeah, there are sickos out there, but is it just, is it always that the, you know, brother or associated to the witness, are they always the ones? Are they the

• 1:00:45Tucker Carlson?

  They're always in the kiddie porn and you can't, you can't talk to them.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  But it's so that you kind of bring us back to an interesting place here where once you throw the narrative out, you're like, all right, where do you even start with this? And for me, where you start is Stephen Paddock is like, who is this guy?

• 1:01:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Who is he really? And I need to do even more in this. There's when, back when I got into this story, there was just a million directions and I didn't go far enough down them. And I was doing that again more recently, a little bit. Um, because who is Stephen Paddock, right?

• 1:01:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  And why the fuck did he, would he even have been there? Because it's, it is factual that he did have all these guns in the room. It is factual that he did rent the room and he was there and, and there's, you know, the, the picture emerged a little more when you look into his backstory, um, which is the basics is that he was 60 ish years old at this point. And back in like the eighties into like the late eighties, he had worked at a defense contractor that was a predecessor to, I believe it was Lockheed Martin. Um, and it's, it's not like he was like, you know, some commando shooting guns as far as I'm aware. I think he was, you know, in some sort of office element of this defense contractor. Um, and then he

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I don't, I forget if he hopped directly into real estate. I think he had one sort of like intermediary where he was doing, not sales, but he was still kind of like adjacent to the defense industry, kind of end of the eighties. And then he got into real estate. Um, and then allegedly he developed a gambling problem. And so he had, you know, a net worth of several million dollars allegedly, but then he allegedly gambled it down over time. Uh, there's a lot of dispute over whether he was making lots of money gambling or not.

• 1:02:27Tucker Carlson?

  I remember that.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. But, but that little detail about him having worked in the defense industry in the past, and then going into like the nondescript real estate is like, that's not suspicious on its face. You know, lots of people change careers over time. But it is a little interesting that a guy that used to work, and I don't have any proof of what I'm about to say. This is just kind of conjecture based upon that. But it's interesting that a guy that used to work in the defense contracting industry is back in kind of his prime years, like, you know, in his thirties, sort of. Um, then he goes into sort of a nondescript industry where your income can be fluid and things, you know, you can kind of be traveling, you can be in property, all these things. And then he winds up at what, what looks like an awful lot, like a kind of deep statey sort of an arms deal sort of thing.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  An arms deal that's involved in this absolute mass shooting. Um, that, that does give me pause and question of like, was he a private citizen? That was stock, because we'll get into the evidence that he thought he was doing an arms sale in a little bit. But I believe that he thought he was going to sell those guns. And I think that's why he had them all there. Um, and that comes down to the three women that were on the room with him. But

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  the moment that you realize that you're being lied to about him being the shooter, you need an explanation for why the hell is he there with all these fucking guns? Because, you know, like I don't, I've been to Vegas and I didn't bring, you know, a whole arsenal of weapons with me and a whole arsenal of loaded magazines as well.

• 1:03:57Tucker Carlson?

  Right. I mean, you don't bring, you know, six rifles to go deer hunting or anywhere. How many rifles did he have?

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Uh, I believe it was 25 rifles. Well, it was, what was it? It was 25 weapons in the room, I believe was the final count. Might've been 24 in the room. Um, and he had one revolver and one bolt action rifle, and then all the rest were AR platforms. And then he also had a whole bunch of weapons at his other two houses as well. He had like 25 other guns at his other houses and he just bought a bunch for this.

• 1:04:26Tucker Carlson?

  And he was knowledgeable about guns. I remember that.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:04:30Tucker Carlson?

  So who are the three women and why do we think he was planning to sell them?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Well, at first they didn't exist, but then investigative journalists, Doug and Doug and Doug, and they found out that there were three other women on the hotel reservation officially. Their, their names were on the hotel reservation. The hotel knew they were there. And I believe that they were checked into the side suite, basically is my assumption. I don't know if that was proven or not, but the side suite was booked with Stephen Paddock's girlfriend's credit card, Mary Lou Danley. And these three women, I have their names written down. We know their first names because it was their first names were said. I believe it was on one of the police body cameras that was eventually released during the night, but we don't know their last names.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  They, uh, witnesses described having allegedly seen him gambling that day or the day before. With women that looked to be of Hispanic descent or like Central South American descent. And so their names kind of match. Maybe they were some sort of Latina women. He had Tannerite in his car is a key piece of this. He had 50 pounds of Tannerite in his car.

• 1:05:40Tucker Carlson?

  Ooh.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Which is usually used when you want to make things go boom, not like I'm going to blow up a building, but like we're going to go shoot in the desert and have a great time.

• 1:05:49Tucker Carlson?

  50 pounds is a lot of Tannerite.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  It's a lot of Tannerite.

• 1:05:52Tucker Carlson?

  So Tannerite is.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  But he also had a lot of guns.

• 1:05:54Tucker Carlson?

  Ammonium nitrate.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Tucker Carlson?

  And you can buy it in gun stores and it detonates not with fire, but with velocity, with force. And so you hit it with a, with a rifle round and it explodes and it's powerful. And 50 pounds is enough to take your house out. Yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  And so we don't really know why he had that or what he was doing with it.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  But my understanding is that Tannerite can be used for lots of things, but it is often used to like stage like a fun gun shooting moment of like.

• 1:06:24Tucker Carlson?

  I've never seen it used for anything other than that.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:06:26Tucker Carlson?

  And it's, it's dangerous. I mean, for sure.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:06:28Tucker Carlson?

  I've had some problems with it.

• 1:06:31Tucker Carlson?

  Definitely powerful.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, um, the Tannerite, a lot of people speculated, and I tend to defer to their speculation about it because I have never shot Tannerite. I don't know about it. People speculated that given these multiple kind of, um,

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  points of information is that maybe one line of reasoning would be that he thought he was selling a bunch of weapons to someone rich.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  This is not something that's fact based, like we know for sure. But we do know that three women, first name only, that we're not supposed to talk about, were registered to this room as well. And we do know that he had the room full of guns. And we do know that he didn't do the shooting. At least I feel pretty confident that I know that. And so then it's like, well, why the hell would you have a room full of guns? And it is not uncommon to sell guns in Las Vegas. I mean, go to shot show, right? And so one possible explanation that might start to put some of those pieces into place is maybe he met some beautiful girls that knew a guy, something along those lines. That was like, hey, I know this really rich guy that wants to buy some guns and you know guns, right? Maybe he got honey potted. Maybe it was some sort of operation targeting him to recruit him for this thing.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Because, you know, you don't have to just explain it from Stephen Paddock's brain of like, why is this maybe arms sale happening? But you have to explain it from like the big picture explanation of why did whatever organization orchestrated all of this? Why did they get Stephen Paddock into that room to do that thing, right? I lean towards speculatively that he was probably selected as a patsy for being some like, you know, kind of vulnerable, unimportant guy that was, you know, down on his luck a little bit, maybe, and wanted to make some money selling guns. Who, maybe he was more involved, maybe he had some intelligence connections, I don't know. But I suspect that he was basically recruited by some hot girls to sell some guns to someone rich or something along those general lines.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  And so he's bringing all these guns to Vegas. Or he's, you know, stocking his room with all these guns to go out and shoot in the desert the next day, maybe. He didn't bring the Tannerite up to his room. He left the Tannerite in the car. But you, if you went to Vegas, you probably wouldn't. Leave an arsenal of guns in your car.

• 1:08:45Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  You would want those secured in your room. Um, and he has all these magazines loaded, right? All these magazines are loaded and that would make sense if he's trying to do a mass shooting. But the moment that you realize that the evidence just does not support him doing the mass shooting, then it's like, well, why are the magazines all loaded? Why is this arsenal here ready like this? And if you were going to go shoot in the desert, that would be a thing you would do is you would load a bunch of magazines. So hard as we, we don't know exactly why those pieces fit together. But that's one of the most common theories is that these three women that were on the room with him,

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  in the side suite, probably that they probably had some sort of middle man connection. Cause how do women usually?

• 1:09:28Tucker Carlson?

  See any motive? I mean, did the authorities ever give us a hint of a motive? Because to murder strangers.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  No, they objectively said, we have no idea what the motive was.

• 1:09:38Tucker Carlson?

  They said that I was.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. They, they, and you can watch, um, our favorite sheriff. He has a couple of different versions of the quote of like, we figured out the what, the when, the where, the who. The one thing we don't know is the why.

• 1:09:54Tucker Carlson?

  But the why is the one thing that matters.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:09:56Tucker Carlson?

  And that's so often a theme that runs through these things. And when there is a clearly articulated motive as in a manifesto, sometimes it's suppressed. It's like, I mean Osama bin Laden's manifesto was suppressed. It's still being, it's still being suppressed.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Even though it went viral on Tik Tok recently.

• 1:10:10Tucker Carlson?

  Right? So I do think it's essential to know what he used a weapon. Of course he did. He killed people. I know, but why? I've got a million weapons. I would never kill anybody. So what's the difference between me and him? That's, that's the thing you need to know.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  You bring up Osama bin Laden, right? Is it's a good time to start talking about the Saudi angle on this thing?

• 1:10:28Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Which is super interesting. Because you're right, the why for Stephen Paddock is non-existent. And that's the official narrative is that there's no idea why.

• 1:10:36Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just give the context to the political context? This is less than a year. After Trump's election.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Tucker Carlson?

  This is a Jason Aldean concert.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:42Tucker Carlson?

  These are Trump voters.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:43Tucker Carlson?

  Jason Aldean is not a political activist, but he's open about his politics and they're Trump aligned. He's also a great guy.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Tucker Carlson?

  I will say, but um, so these are Trump voters who get killed. At the time, less than year after Trump's election, all anyone's talking about is Trump. People are extremely exercised about it. So it's hard to ignore that, kind of.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  I think it's impossible to ignore it.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  But. And here's where we get into these like, there's different theories and, and they all hold certain amounts of weight and merit. But most of them sort of have. A hole in that they explain this piece, but none of that pieces. They explain this thing, but not that, right? And so. One possible narrative is it's like a government false flag to get gun control. Right? Just like do a mass shooting, construct some mass shooting incident. And then more gun control. And there's a similar compelling kind of a concept of. More mass surveillance. And Vegas is a really compelling place to put, you know, experimental mass surveillance technology.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Because you get the whole world comes to Vegas, you get all sorts of different genetic, like compositions of people that flood in. And it's all private property where you can kind of do your thing. And so. Two parallel storylines of like, kind of a false flag to bring in more, more of the gun control or more of the surveillance or both. And that would be a reasonable.

• 1:12:07Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just ask, just ask you a question for a sec? Just, I, I thought about this at the time, trying to think through what is this? And the gun, gun control is almost always the first thing.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:16Tucker Carlson?

  Democrats call for when there's a mass shooting, they leverage the death of other people for a policy aim. Of course, always famously Sandy Hook and the rest. They didn't do it that much after this.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Oh, they shut the hell up real.

• 1:12:27Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. And I noticed that at the time.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Real fast. Yeah, they did try to bring in more mass surveillance technology in Las Vegas. They brought in more like body scanners and stuff. They tried to do this big new techno thing in Vegas.

• 1:12:42Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't even know that.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  But it basically failed because no one's gonna walk through the airport scanner. Like they actually installed some of these like Lido scanners in Vegas. The following years. But like, no one's gonna walk through that every time they're trying to get into their hotel or go to the casino floor and all this shit. It's like, that's just not good for business. So ultimately that, that initiative basically backfired, at least in those big overt measures.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  But I don't know what kind of increased biometric scanning and cameras and surveillance technology kind of got sold to all those casinos after the fact. We know that Las Vegas is one of the most surveilled places on the planet, and it was that night, too, despite the fact that we have none of the footage, we have none of that surveillance. But that's where it's like, it would make sense to be like, if you're a conspiracy theorist is like, oh, it's a gun control false flag, but then they're not going to push the gun control. And furthermore, why are you going to false flag, like, attack all the concert goers and then have this further engaged conflict of multiple suspected gunmen all across the Las Vegas Strip, over at the airport, mysterious helicopters that we know are

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  up there. It's like, it doesn't explain any of that at all, right? You would just literally, if it was about gun control, you would actually just have a Stephen Paddock-type character get a rifle and walk into the crowd and start shooting, right? So that's where it's like, okay, we need to square all these weird pieces, and how do we square all of these weird pieces? And so you might think about things like a heist gone wrong, or a this gone, like, a lot of the other versions that are more like, you know, the average person might come up with them, because you kind of see movies, right? And if you kind of just like glance at all the evidence, you might be like, oh, it's like if Ocean's Eleven got really messed up in real life. But it's not, because in Ocean's Eleven, there's no reason to murder 60 concert goers

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  with automatic gunfire probably coming from helicopters. That would never be a part of a heist. Like, you would never do that. And furthermore, how would you convince any American, no matter how slimy, like, how would you even convince, like, Hillary Clinton and Anthony Weiner, if they got into the helicopter together, like, are they gonna shoot, like, automatic gunfire into 60 civilians out of the helicopter? Like, probably not, let's be real, like, I know we don't like them, but, but like, you need to square

• 1:14:58Tucker Carlson?

  That's a big step.

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  Who the hell would shoot all of these concert goers? And how do you square the concert shooting with whatever else was happening? And this is where I stumbled across the work largely of John Cullen and Jason Goodman got big into this as well, and a bunch of other people did too. Mindy Robinson mentioned it a bit in her documentary, and many, many more that I'm that I'm not mentioning right now. But John and Jason, they really dug into this for a long time, for many, many years. And they teased out this narrative over time. And when I first stumbled across it, I didn't have the depth of understanding or the the context of political awareness and intel agency kind of history to really understand

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  what they meant. And so I heard it as like, the baseline, and we'll tease this out a fair bit, I think. But the baseline of the theory is like Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is in Vegas for, you know, the night, or whatever. And he's staying at his cousin's hotel, which is the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay, the Four Seasons. Al-Waleed bin Talal was owned 45% of that hotel chain at the time. And so he's like staying in the hotel. And so it was an assassination attempt on him. And there's, we'll dig this out a lot to try to understand what we do and don't know about it and let people make their own minds.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  But the first encountering of it, when I thought about it, I was like, so that would explain, an assassination attempt on someone like bin Salman, might explain all this gunfire across the Strip, where there's like an evacuation happening, and there's operatives running around, and there's like two, because all those shootings in all these hotels where there's no civilian victims really to note, that to me implies two armed forces fighting each other. You know what I mean? Just like, basic logic, is if you have a bunch of gunfire going off all across a city, and no civilians are getting shot, then it's because you have people with guns shooting at people with guns. I would assume.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  And so it's like, okay, that explains maybe that kind of stuff. Maybe it explains the airport stuff. Maybe it explains like an evacuation. It explains helicopters, like turning off their transponders and hovering over the Mandalay Bay, which we saw them do and didn't see them do, so to speak. So it explains a lot of these pieces, but it's like, but how does that explain shooting up the concert? It's like, at first it was like, are they shooting up the concert to create, like to trigger his evacuation protocol? That doesn't make sense. Like, I don't get it. And it's because I didn't understand the historical context of Saudi Arabia and of Wahhabism and of Al Qaeda and of the power struggle that had been raging in Saudi Arabia for years at that point and had really intensified right at that moment.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  And I still don't understand it because it's so fricking complicated. But once you look at Saudi Arabia and their history, their royal structure, their political structure and the political seismic shift that has happened around the Solomon Line right now, that piece starts to click into place because when you look at something so horrid as the Las Vegas shooting, who is gonna shoot like 20-year-old girls in the face with just reckless abandon like that? That is like the definition of a terrorist attack. And so if you don't know anything about the incident, how do you even come up with a perpetrator

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  that could ever bring themselves to do such a thing? It's like, is it North Korea? Is it Russia? Is it Iran? Is it, you know, who hates American people that much?

• 1:18:45Tucker Carlson?

  The American brain can only explain that by attributing it to a crazed lone gunman who sees by mental illness or something. But the American brain cannot fathom any organized group of people doing something like that.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  And certainly not like our own, like you can be the craziest conspiracy theorist with like literally wrapped in tin foil, sitting in your own microwave, but you still can't like, it is still not a legitimate argument to say that like a CIA officer is gonna get onto that helicopter and shoot a minigun at civilian Americans.

• 1:19:13Tucker Carlson?

  I don't believe that.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Not a chance.

• 1:19:15Tucker Carlson?

  Nope. And if I start believing that, I'm leaving and...

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  No. Like even the most horrendous, like even Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton, take your pick of like the most vile people in American history, they're not gonna do that. And so it's like, who would?

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  And...

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  When you look at the history of Saudi Arabia and the sort of warring factions of their religious and political ideology and the Wahhabiism hardliners that very much are sort of aligned beside Al Qaeda and that are sort of where Al Qaeda like,

• 1:19:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  you know, fractioned off from, and you know this far more than me, that is very much an ideology that is perfectly okay with killing Western young people with reckless abandon.

• 1:20:02Tucker Carlson?

  And the interesting thing is that MBS, Mohammed bin Salman, then the Crown Prince, still technically Crown Prince, but the man who runs Saudi, I mean, he's just crushed them.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  He's changed everything.

• 1:20:13Tucker Carlson?

  Since then.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:14Tucker Carlson?

  Just crushed them. But specifically, he's gone after.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Specific people.

• 1:20:18Tucker Carlson?

  Those people.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  So let's unpack this a little bit.

• 1:20:20Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, before we go further, just the key question, do we know that he was in Vegas that day?

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  No, we do not. And there's this, there's this one video that that question hinges around because people started to talk about this theory, you know, in the months following this and in the years following it. And this video emerged and went viral. And I have questions over whether this was orchestrated in order to discredit the theory, as often happens, where when a theory that we're not supposed to talk about gains power and steam and traction, people start talking about it, you release something that is supposed to be a piece of that theory that is easily disprovable, right? And this video goes viral of-

• 1:20:57Tucker Carlson?

  I'm watching that right now.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  Exactly, right? This video goes viral of this evacuation that happens that night where there's these two guys surrounded by armed police officers, clearly like clearing the area, evacuating out of a, one of the hotels. And someone gets it on cellphone camera. And the two guys that are not police officers, that are not armed, one of them is wearing red shoes and a white baseball jersey and he's carrying a little bag that's like, looks like an important Las Vegas-y kind of money or something bag. And the other guy's in a suit. And the, the idea is, it's like, is this guy in the white jersey Mohammed bin Salman? Which is at first, it's like, what are you talking about? Like- Dressed like that? I don't think so.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  But I, who knows? Maybe it was constructed to be like, he's in disguise. The short version is, we know for a fact that that was not Mohammed bin Salman. He was one of the, like, chiefs of security at that hotel. And he posted online, was like, no, that's me. These are my shoes. I'm a sneaker head. Like, here's all the corroboration you could ever need. That's me. I was called into work because I live nearby. And because they had not yet cleared that building, I came in with that team as they cleared the building. And then you can see in the video, right at the end of the video, the cops keep going straight and him and his, and the guy in the suit, they veer off to the right towards something. And they, and they have a little dialogue where it's like, hey, you go and go to the offices? And they go to their offices to start working on the crazy security situation that they're in the middle of. And so that video is not at all related. It has nothing to do with it.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  But it got fed into the narrative right at this critical moment, where I suspect that it was supposed to discredit this, make, sort of like muddy the waters of this question, of was bin Salman in Las Vegas at that time? And I have not even begun to scratch the surface of the research that these other folks have done over years of trying to verify where he was that night. And the best that anyone has gotten, as far as I've seen, is that there's a hole in his schedule where no one knows where he was. And we know that he was other places before, and we know he was other places after. But those, that specific little window of time, a couple of days around Las Vegas, around October 1st, 2017, no verification of where he was at all. So, we do not know. So, Ibn Saad, that, like, founded the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  he had a bunch of sons. And it's been his sons ever since. And so the king of Saudi Arabia has been getting older and older and older because as one has abdicated or been overtaken, whatever, it's just been like, first they were in their 30s, and now they're in their 40s, and now they're in their 60s, and now they're in their 70s. And now, King Salman took, took off, like, office. I said office because I'm American. He took the throne in his 80s, right? So, the last three kings of Saudi Arabia, King Fad, King Abdullah, and King Salman, super relevant to the current power struggle that's happening. And King Fad was 82 to 2005.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  I'm no expert on religion, on Islam, on Saudi American politics. But it's not hard to figure out that King Fad was pretty hardliner. And a lot of these guys are pretty damn hardliner. This kind of Wahhabism, this very like, very conservative religious government that they run. And King Fad, he oversaw a whole bunch of terrorism. And like, let's, let's not forget that, yeah, there's a lot of things that happened on 9/11 that I don't think the official narrative accounts for. But we do know for a fact that Saudi Arabia was very involved. Like Saudi Arabia represented, what was it, like 17? What was it? 17 of 19, I think, yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  I think it was less than 17, I think it was 15 or 16 out of 19. But it was a significant number, right? A overwhelming majority, yeah. Majority, the hijackers, whatever role they really played, you know, whatever conspiracy theory you want to be on. And then Saudi Arabia also was involved in sort of the intelligence around it. They were involved in, they were baked in. And when you get deeper into sort of like the CIA's analysis, postmortem analysis of what happened, Saudi Arabia stonewalled the hell out of them. I mean, like Osama bin Laden was born out of this sort of Saudi Wahhabist mindset. And he like took it in this direction, towards politics, away from just religious perspective and towards political violence and political movement.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Kind of born out of America getting in there and doing what we always do, right? And there's all sorts of depth there that I don't understand, but it's, you don't have to understand all the depth of it to know that has an interesting relationship with that era. Because whether he was, you know, regardless of how involved he was during that era, Osama bin Laden was creating and growing al Qaeda and doing whatever it is you think al Qaeda was involved in, not just in 9/11, but in all these other terror attacks too. And

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  And so these hardliners, these brother kings, there's this divide that emerges in more recent times with King Salman and his son, Mohammed bin Salman, right? And there's other people that are sort of aligned with them, but they're obviously the two figureheads of this newer Saudi Arabia. They are very different. Mohammed bin Salman especially, but King Salman has been very much more progressive and Mohammed bin Salman is very much like, he wants to give women's rights and he's like throwing giant music festivals and he's trying to, you know, move their investments away from just oil.

• 1:26:26Tucker Carlson?

  They're allowing alcohol.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Exactly. They're doing all these things that are, that from the hardliners' perspective, you're destroying the faith, you're destroying the nation, you're destroying the kingdom.

• 1:26:36Tucker Carlson?

  He's been, in the regional context, he's been radical, for sure.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  And there is, there's a lot of articles, news articles, from the Middle East predating the Las Vegas shooting, like in the, in the years and months, like there's some of them that are two years ahead of that, where it's, it's princes, because there's thousands of these princes, but some of them are very important and some of them are lesser important. And there were very important princes, basically creating like kind of manifesto level texts saying like, we need to stop these fucking weaklings from taking over and destroying the kingdom. And basically calling on these hardliners to get together and kick these guys out and deal with them. And there is a history of political violence back in, I think it was the 60s was the first time that the king was assassinated and he was assassinated by his nephew, I believe

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  it is, I believe it was, his cousin?

• 1:27:25Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's correct.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  And ever since, it's, I mean, even before that, but ever since, it has very much been this Game of Thrones kind of place, where you have a kingdom that has religion baked in, it has this oil wealth, it has, and it has this history growing of political violence and of infighting for the throne, vying for the throne.

• 1:27:43Tucker Carlson?

  High-stakes stuff, yeah, for sure.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Very high stakes. And so as you approach the Las Vegas shooting, and this is stuff that John Cullen and Jason Goodman dug a ton into, and you can go to John Cullen's YouTube channel and dig back through it all, because he did it all in these like one hour long podcasts and sort of exposes that takes a long time to get through, but he very much lays out his version of the theory, and he's not the only one, but he's the most, he's the most deep into this theory. And I very much think it's the most likely. I think it's the most fleshed out and logical theory, all the way from explaining why we saw terrorism that night, but also why we saw these other things. But also, it fits into this historical perspective of what was actually happening in Saudi Arabia at the time that we as Americans aren't aware of, because

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  the succession had just shifted. Bin Salman, King Salman, not Mohammed bin Salman, King Salman was on the throne. He took the throne, what was it, in 2015, I believe? Yeah, 2015, Salman takes the throne. And he changes the succession, I believe it was earlier in 2017. It was like, maybe six months or so before the Vegas shooting. And he changes it from one of these hardliner guys to his son, Bin Salman, Mohammed bin Salman. It's very confusing with these names. If you're American, you don't, you're not used to Arab names. But

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  then, the moment that Bin Salman gets in there, there is reporting about his actions, there's, you have to kind of triangulate it from watching what he does, but he immediately starts to consolidate power. And one of the examples is he moves to dismantle their sort of intelligence apparatus and move it under the jurisdiction of their like Defense Department, sort of, which he's the head of. And the guy that was in charge of the intelligence apparatus at the time was one of these hardliners from one of these other kind of family lineages. And so it's things like that where he's like, he's kicking people out of their positions, he's changing around who's in charge of positions, and he's trying to take away power from these various hardliners that have had it out for him for years and

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  do not want this shift to take place. So he's replaced a guy that doesn't want him there, and now he's the crown prince. He's gonna, he's gonna take the throne, and his dad might abdicate at any time, right? His dad is in his 80s, at any moment. He could either die, or get sick, or just decide that he's over it and his son is now the king. And so Bin Salman's not a dumbass, and he knows that he needs to do something about all these opposing, you know, family members that are actively trying to take him out. And they've been talking about trying to take him out for a long time. And what I just explained about the, uh, the head of intelligence and that the nature of the power of the intelligence networks, that's just one piece of what he's doing here.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  And he's doing that for months, leading up to the 2017, uh, to the date of October 1st, when this shooting happens. And when the Las Vegas shooting happens, it's right in the middle of this, this building of tension, this shifting of power that we think is over there, right? It's over in Saudi Arabia, obviously. And it's understandable that that would be happening in Saudi Arabia. So we kind of have a burden of proof to explain why would this be happening in Las Vegas? And I don't know if we've met that burden of proof in the way the theory has developed over the years of people kind of digging into this and trying to piece it apart. But Al-Walid bin Talal, one of the richest of all of the Saudi princes, he's like, I

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  mean, I guess it's changed over the years, but he's, we're talking like a multi, multi billionaire. In 2017, he was like the 40 something richest person in the world by Forbes or whoever. Um, something like 16 or 17 billion dollars net worth, if I remember correctly. He is like the Saudi Bill Gates, is the way a lot of people referred to him. And he owned a 45% stake in the Four Seasons Hotel chain. And the Four Seasons Hotel chain owns, well, they like cooperate the top, I think, six floors of the Mandalay Bay, above where Paddock was, um, allegedly where, where Paddock's room was. And so the theory started to dig into, people started to look at this like, well, so we

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  have a faction, this sort of Wahhabi hardliner faction, that we know would willingly kill massive numbers of Americans for whatever reason, even if it's just incidental to something else, they would be happy to kill Americans. It's not like every Saudi Arabian person is this way. That's not what's being claimed by anyone. It's that there are- There are people with legitimate terroristic ideologies in those factions.

• 1:32:25Tucker Carlson?

  And they're very opposed to MBS.

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  They're very opposed to MBS. They, to them, it's an existential threat. They need to, and they're not quiet about that. They have been talking about that for two years and more. And the clock is ticking because MBS's dad is going to abdicate and MBS is going to take the throne. And MBS knows this. And so in the months leading into this shooting, MBS is actually going after them. He's seizing some of their money. He's restricting their travel. He's reallocating power and consolidating power very actively and overtly. Not like we have to assume this was happening. We know that those things were happening. And so their, their clock is ticking, ticking and their window of power and freedom is closing. Cause they're getting their travel restricted. They're getting their, you know, elements of power being taken from them.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  And so you actually are looking at a faction that is willing to do the thing we see being done. With motive to do it in the timeframe that we see it done in. And then we have this window of lack of information of where was MBS at the time and we don't know. We, we talked about that video that was probably just kind of misinformation fed in. We do not know if he was in Las Vegas at the time. No one has shown anything to prove that he was or wasn't. It is worth noting that his brother, uh, his son, KBS, is KBS his son or his brother? Khalid bin Salman, he was the ambassador to America. I think he's his, I think he's his younger brother.

• 1:33:46Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's correct.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  Khalid bin Salman, I think is his name. He is the ambassador to the United States for Saudi Arabia. And he is very much in the same faction. So various people think that this has to do with MBS. Some people think it has to do with his brother Khalid bin Salman. But we don't really know if they're there or not. But right after this mass shooting happens and whatever the hell it was.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  bin Salman goes on this, what was called the Saudi purge. And it includes the knight of a thousand swords is this like kind of mythical knight where he, my understanding is that he invites all of the crown princes in for something like, it was like, what was it? They were going to unveil something or he had this like weird event planned? Oh, it was that they were going to give a citizenship to an AI robot named Sophia. It's this very bizarre little side quest where he's like, we're going to be the first nation to give citizenship to a robot is my understanding here. And so it's like this big like, and everybody come here and we're going to have this big party kind of thing. And then he locks them all in a hotel.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  The Ritz Carlton. The Ritz Carlton. And there's this whole, there's all this lore and legend around it that like, you have to kind of sort through to figure out what really happened and what is like storytelling. But it's, what really did happen is that over that night and then the weeks and months following, he seized billions and billions and billions of dollars of assets from all of these hardliner guys, all these guys that are aligned with these people that had been slighted, people that had been like, that he had sort of stepped in their places of people that would hate him and want him dead. And it totaled up to almost $200 billion confirmed that he, that he has seized from all these different people over the, you know, that this year or two timeframe here after the shooting. He, a couple of them die in mysterious things like plane, like helicopter

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  crashes. Some of them are, so for example, there's this, I guess it's a story, but it's like corroborated by a bunch of reporting and journalism. And I think it's intentionally leaked out because he wants, bin Salman wants everyone to know this story, that he takes Al-Waleed bin Talal, the guy that owns the Four Seasons Hotel, the richest of all of these hardliner princes that is against him. And he strings him up by his feet and he actually gets Blackwater guys, apparently, military contractors from Blackwater, American military contractors over there and they torture him. They hang him up by his feet and they torture him for who knows how long, maybe days, beating him and all this stuff and humiliating him. And we don't really know

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  what comes of it, but his assets are stripped. He's basically, his power is neutered. And that's done to a number of people, but there's a lot of lore around what was done to Bin Tullal. And there's a lot of theorizing by American journalists around this Las Vegas shooting that Bin Tullal might have been sort of the big money and sort of the big guy behind a big element of the planning of this thing. Because it starts to be, the theory starts to be, maybe it was an assassination attempt on Bin Salman or his brother. We don't know for sure, but what we do know is there was another assassination, there was an assassination attempt later that year. I think it was in, or I guess it would have

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  been the next year. It was in June of 2018, I believe. And it was at the palace in Riyadh. And there's video footage of it. And once again, it's like one of these moments where actually it's like automatic gunfire going off and like, like, kind of like, I don't know if there's explosions, but it's like, and they stormed the palace and tried to kill Mohammed bin Salman. And actually, it's pretty well speculated that he actually got shot at some point in that assassination attempt, because he disappeared from the public eye for like eight weeks or 12 weeks or something like that. And so, so you start to put these pieces of this puzzle together, just the contextual stuff around it, where

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  we don't know for sure that he was there that night. And we don't really have evidence of anything super concrete Saudi there until we talk about the helicopters. But we do have context for this war over immense power and wealth. And we do have context for why they might be there in this hotel, this location. We do have context for there are assassination attempts happening on his life, obviously by those factions. And then a year to the day, to the, almost to the hour, maybe, after the Las Vegas shooting happens, Jamal Khashoggi gets chopped up into little pieces over in the embassy.

• 1:38:34Tucker Carlson?

  That was a year to the day?

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  To the day. Right. Was it, was it in 2018 or was it after that? Was it 2019 or 2020?

• 1:38:41Tucker Carlson?

  I don't, I don't recall. I think it was around 2018.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  I think it was 18. And what I, but what I'm remembering is specifically John Collins reporting on this because he, this is one of the things that he zeroed in on that people then were like, whoa. Because when you account for the time zone difference from where he, what was he in Turkey? I think it was.

• 1:38:58Tucker Carlson?

  It was in Istanbul.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  In Istanbul, right? And when you account for the time difference, it's like pretty damn close to actually, cause he got, he got chopped up. I believe it was on October 2nd. But when you account for the time difference, it was actually the night of October 1st. The exact anniversary of this shooting, this possible assassination attempt. It's like, okay, well, what does Jamal Khashoggi have to do with this? Well, the Khashoggi family is this deep power family in Saudi Arabia. A non Khashoggi famously was this, one of the world's most powerful arms traffickers that did business with Jeffrey Epstein and sold Trump his boat and all these things.

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  But they were tied in much more significantly politically than that. And Jamal specifically, before he was a journalist, you know, working for the Washington Post. He was actually working for the head of Saudi intelligence.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  I guess doing journalism for him, right? And then you actually go further back and some of these guys dug up reporting and photographs, news reporting with photographs that he was actually in the Mujahideen. Hanging out, holding a rocket launcher way back in the day.

• 1:40:05Tucker Carlson?

  Well, he certainly supported those elements. There's no doubt about it, even though his life didn't mirror their, their beliefs. But there's no, I mean, I don't know the answer, but there's no question that he was not murdered because of his Washington Post columns.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:40:24Tucker Carlson?

  So stupid. He was critical of MBS and the Washington.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Didn't post like they care. Exactly. There's more than that. And so then you start to ask yourself, the question is like, what, why was he murdered? Not just murdered, but why was he murdered so brutally and intentionally in a place that was like a public spectacle? And it looks like it's to send a message. It very much looks like it's to send a message. And you start to wonder like, okay, well, when he does the night of the thousand swords, when he grabs, when he, you know, confiscates all these people's wealth, he strings Ben Talal up by his feet and beats him and then seems to intentionally let that story get out. And then this really public murder of this other guy that's aligned with those factions happens on the like,

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  one year anniversary of this event, you start to see this triangulation of vengeance of something there. And this is obviously speculation to connect all of these things, but this context matters because again, 60 people were murdered and there is an explanation and it's obviously not the mainstream narrative. But then you have to explain, how did 60 people die and why? And there, there's a reason for everything, even if it's like, even if it's an asteroid, just boom, random collision. There's still an explanation for why it happened. And so you need to find a scenario that actually is reality, that does fit with the facts that are true, that explains the horrific thing that we saw.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  And you're starting to see, the reason why this theory took so much root and why so many people are interested in it, myself included, is that it explains how you could do something so horrible to innocent American civilians. But it also explains all the other weird operations, not that we know for sure what happened in all those hotels, but that you start to understand why you would have, you know, reports of armed gunmen in like tactical gear over there and over there and over there at the airport. Why you have these weird helicopters going on? Okay, so the helicopters, so I said, just to recap super quick.

• 1:42:31Tucker Carlson?

  The story you're telling is remarkable, by the way. Um, and it, it does seem to fit all kinds of disparate pieces together into what appears like a coherent whole, but you don't know. So I said, do we know that MBS or his brother or any of his relatives were in town that day? No, we don't. But you said, there's the question of the helicopters, which I think you've already made a compelling case were involved in the shooting.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Tucker Carlson?

  What do you mean? What helicopters?

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  So we know that there were helicopters in the air that don't show up on the transponder data. And we know that there's weird transponder data on helicopters that came from the Maverick and Sundance helicopter tour operators and all of that. But the question is, is even before you have seen John Cohen's research on the fact that there's some helicopters that never have transponders on that aren't on any of the flight radar data, as in like there's literal ghost helicopters there that seem to be shooting, before you even know that, if you're speculating that like there's some foreign assassination kind of attempt in there, and there's helicopters involved, it's like, well, where the hell did they get the helicopters? How do you get helicopters halfway around the world from Saudi Arabia?

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Like, you can't just fly over the ocean in a helicopter and go shoot someone. And so these guys started to look into it. And this is very, this is directly taking from the research of John Cohen and Jason Goodman, who did amazing work on this stuff. Like, we all owe them a great debt on this, because they started to look. Where would, like, are there helicopters around? And they stumbled across a thing called Operation Red Dawn. It turns out that for the entire month of August, the month before, well, one whole month before the shooting, um, this hotel called the W in Las Vegas was rented out

• 1:44:22Speaker 02

  for the Saudi Royal Air Force, because they were bringing their guys over to actually do a giant training operation, a joint training operation in this thing called Operation Red Dawn, in the desert, outside of Las Vegas.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Simultaneous to that, Saudi Arabia had done this gigantic weapons deal with American defense contractors, and I mean, America, because you have to go through our government in order to do those contracts, as you know. And they had bought a whole bunch of military hardware from various defense contractors, and that included a whole bunch of helicopters from Boeing. And there's this new kind of helicopter that had just been designed by Boeing called the AH-6I, that was just finishing its first run of production, and it had not been delivered to anyone else yet in the world. And you can look these things up, they're these like compact, they're like combat stealth reconnaissance helicopters, designed to be extremely mobile, extremely small, you can,

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  you can fold the rotors up and pack them into a shipping container, like on a truck, and they can slide right into a truck back. But they also can have miniguns on them, they are extremely stealthy, they're very quiet, they're very small, they have like just two seats in them. So they are sort of a really specific type of helicopter that was just getting finished in 2017, like they were delivering their first shipments in 2017, and they were actually there at this operation, Operation Red Dawn, where the entire Saudi Royal Air Force was in the Las Vegas area, just like a month before the shooting goes down. Like one, two to one months before the shooting goes down.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  And people did all sorts of digging into like the description of the helicopters from victims, and the, what these helicopters look like, they've got this giant camera bulb on the bottom. But the fact is that it's like, oh, wait a minute, there's literally Saudi helicopters stationed right over there in the desert, just to hop away from Vegas for this giant operation, where the Saudi, like Royal Air Force is literally been on location just before this thing goes down. And those helicopters are specifically a kind of helicopter, you couldn't do this with a Blackhawk, for example, but you could pack one of those helicopters into a box truck, and drive it off into the desert and just park it there. And no one would ever know there was a helicopter parked there, because it's inside of a box. And then you could just take it out, unfold the rotors, and you're off.

• 1:46:50Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  And so it's like, wait a minute, what? Because, because again, you have to remind yourself that, that in journalism, in the pursuit of truth... You have to find true circumstances, which you can evidence, hopefully corroborate as well by multiple sources, that explains what you're seeing. And what we saw is we have footage of helicopters. We have reports of helicopters. And we have flight transponder data that seems to indicate

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  at least some helicopter activity that's suspicious from the airfield. But pretty good evidence that there's helicopters that aren't even transpondered on. And when you hear that gunfire, it's like, oh, that would explain why the gunfire sounds like belt fed machine guns. Because that's what's on these kinds of helicopters. That would explain why we see these flying things coming around behind the Mandalay Bay and going with little lights in the back, like off in the darkness. That would explain why there's trajectories of fire that are coming down directly from overhead on some of these people.

• 1:47:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  That would explain why, like, it would start to fit into a narrative where at at the helicopters that we do know were on the transponder data. There's a couple of groups of them. There's one group of three that takes off earlier in the night. They take off from by the tour helicopter operator. And they fly over to the Mandalay Bay and hover over top of it. And they turn their transponders off. And their transponders are off for the entire shooting. And then their transponders turn back on after the shooting is over. And they fly over and join this group of eight that are taking off in the minutes after the shooting and flying north away from the strip.

• 1:48:31Tucker Carlson?

  We know that?

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's on, yeah, the, you can go and watch all the footage people record. Multiple people corroborated it and recorded it from Flight Radar 24 at the time. Now, transponder data is only historically kept for up to like three years, I think. And Flight Radar 24 is the most, has the widest time horizon. If you pay the $500 membership, you can get, I think, three years of data. So it's long gone now from public access. But many, many different journalists published video footage of these, this transponder data corroborated it between each other. And yeah, we know that. Lots of weird helicopter stuff happened on the transponder data. And then that's where John Cullen took it one step further and triangulated everything and

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  realized that he pretty well proved that even aside from that, we have helicopters that aren't those ones. At times when we know where all those ones are and there's, I still see a helicopter in this footage right now that has flashing what looks like gunfire. We also have a plane on that transponder footage that is flying under the callsign of a Southwest Boeing 747. And it flies over the airport and then does a right turn the way a helicopter would and then flies over the Mandalay Bay, or I guess it was the Delano, not the Mandalay Bay for this one. And then it hovers over the Delano for a while and then it goes off. And it's under the callsign of a Southwest passenger plane, like a Boeing 747, that also was somewhere else at the time.

• 1:49:59Tucker Carlson?

  But it's a helicopter.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  It's obviously a helicopter, just by the way it flies. It's obviously a helicopter because it-

• 1:50:04Tucker Carlson?

  So fixed wing aircraft don't hover?

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You know-

• 1:50:08Tucker Carlson?

  They tend to fall out of the sky when they try.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  Boeing you fly around America on, that one can't hover. But this one could. This one though was apparent, it was labeled as this Southwest Airlines, you know, passenger plane. It flew and took a hard right turn at speed over top of the airport and then went and hovered over the Delano and then went, took off. So we have all this weird shit going on in the air. And, and so it starts to corroborate the idea that helicopters were involved and there's more than, and there appears to be more than one thing of helicopters going on because you can't, you can't explain helicopters shooting civilians from helicopters that are taking off from Sundance and I always forget the other one, from these like tour operators,

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  right? Maverick and Sundance are very much a part of the community there. They run tours all over the, all over Vegas every single day. Their helicopters are known at the airport. The air traffic control knows them. They talk to them all the time, right? And we do have some weird shit going on with air traffic control. We do have the audio of air traffic control and air traffic control didn't even know that the shooting was happening until like several minutes after it had finished. And we have the audio of it. It's, it's almost tragic. As the shooting is happening, they're just directing traffic like normal. And then as the shooting is sort of finishing, like right around 10:14, 10:15, 10:16-

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  Air traffic control starts asking the helicopter operators, because there's these tour operators that are apparently launching tour helicopters at the time. It's like, hey, Sundance or Maverick, can you see what's happening over at that concert over there? What's going on? I see a lot of, it's like, police lights and stuff. And they're like, kind of chattering back and forth of like, yeah, I think the concert just got out. But unbeknownst to them, 60 people are dead on the ground and the shooting has already fully happened and everything is, you know, at least that part of everything is done. And then they start to get, like, in the next, like, eight minutes, they start to realize what the hell is going on. And then air traffic control starts rerouting everybody and starts trying to deal with it, keeping the runways clear. And then it's like the 30 minutes later where air traffic control comes through and says, we have an active shooter on the runway. And then they ask to turn the lights off.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  So that's where it became like, if helicopters are shooting people, you need to figure out where those helicopters came from. Because they almost certainly didn't come from these tour helicopter operators.

• 1:52:30Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  Where we haven't even talked about the shooting that happened in those hangars, by the way, that was reported by-

• 1:52:34Tucker Carlson?

  There was a shooting in the hang-

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Multiple people reported shootings in those hangars and in other hangars in the airport as well. But we can come back to that.

• 1:52:41Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, were those, do we know anything about those shootings?

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  All we know is that there were three different 911 calls that came in sequentially that were from relatives and friends of people that were in the hangars, because apparently the people in the hangars were trying to call 911 and couldn't get through, almost as though they were being jammed or something like that. Somehow got comms out or something and so it was like a boyfriend of a girl that was in there. And it was reported that there was a woman down who had been shot. We don't know if she died or not. We don't, we don't have an autopsy from any woman that died in those hangars. But it was that a woman had been shot and that there were gunmen in the hangars somewhere. And there was a bunch of civilians trying to hide from them, trying to sort of like, like, run and hide from-

• 1:53:24Tucker Carlson?

  Is this during the shooting? Mandalay Bay?

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  This, those calls all come after the shooting at Mandalay Bay. By-

• 1:53:30Tucker Carlson?

  A woman down. Okay, so it's not like, I mean, this whole time I've been thinking, well, maybe it's just the echo of-

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 1:53:37Tucker Carlson?

  Shots fired into the-

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  We have a woman down in that hangar. We have, uh, we have guns picked up in the street and handed to police officers in other parts of the city. We have-

• 1:53:46Tucker Carlson?

  Long guns?

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  No, no, pistols. Um, there are magazines that are found in other parts of the city. Um, around the concert venue, there's, uh, AR magazines. There's a magazine found out in front of the Tropicana. There's a bunch of casings found in, uh, in the parking lot of the Tropicana.

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  And I've got all sorts of video footage of this stuff that I'll give to you and you can splice in wherever you want. And then people can go on to that map that I talked about and like the vast majority of what I'm referring to is on that map. And you can actually click on it and see the footage original for yourselves. And then there's also all the gunfire that was recorded after the fact and the chatter of, uh, of armed suspects, uh, gunmen in all sorts of places being observed. We, we know very well that there were lots of other things happening, but we don't have a lot of other bodies. Except for this woman in the, uh, helicopter hangar, um, that was allegedly shot. We don't know if she died.

• 1:54:39Tucker Carlson?

  We don't know anything about her.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  I, I, I don't know anything about her. Yeah. I don't think that we ever got any answers on that.

• 1:54:44Tucker Carlson?

  This is the craziest story ever. Um, and the craziest part is how people have sort of let it, let it go and didn't- Biggest mass shooting in American history. We never talk about it. No one ever followed up on any of this stuff.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:57Tucker Carlson?

  No federal agency ever said, wait a second, we're going to cut off highway funding unless you answer these questions.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Well, what did happen after it, which is kind of where we were there, is that MBS goes on this purge of his political opposition in Saudi Arabia. The next time that Trump flew to Saudi Arabia, he got the sword dance welcome, right? Do you remember that?

• 1:55:19Tucker Carlson?

  I do.

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. That, that is like not a thing you just give out to Donald Trump because you like him. That is a whole different level of respect in Saudi Arabia is my understanding. That's where we get that photo of Trump with his hand on the globe with the other Saudi guys is from that trip. Also simultaneous to that, Mohammed bin Salman invested what appears to be $2 billion with a fund started by Jared Kushner in the year following this, this shooting, which is an interesting choice. I mean, it's not a completely unthinkable choice, but a lot of alignments start to happen. Trump has been very pro-MBS for a long time and Al-Waleed,

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  this other guy who owned the, the Four Seasons and got strung up by his feet, he's hated Trump for a long time. And there's, you can actually, he, there's archived tweets of his that are like, like Trump, you're a fucking idiot. Why would you do this kind of stuff? And so after this shooting in Vegas, you start to see deep alignments strengthen between Trump's government and bin Salman and bin Salman's government. And bin Salman is rounding up his political opposition. He's modernizing Saudi Arabia. He's trying to turn them away from just oil and this old Wahhabiist way of thinking. And it's obvious, like from a American national defense and national security standpoint, that's like one of

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  the most obvious things you could ever desire is for Saudi Arabia to stop being sympathetic to Al Qaeda style terrorism, right? Because there are factions in Saudi Arabia that are still very much like, no, F the infidels. Certainly not all of them.

• 1:56:57Tucker Carlson?

  For sure. And, but you never thought you would see it in Saudi Arabia because it's the seat of the religion because Mecca, Medina, the top two holy places are in the country. Right. So they didn't have, it was believed that government didn't have the latitude to become more pro-Western because every Muslim has to go to Mecca. So.

• 1:57:16Speaker 02

  Exactly. And so it's an interesting moment in the political shifting of the Middle East.

• 1:57:21Tucker Carlson?

  World changing.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  Right. And that's as like, the Middle East is rising in wealth through not all the best means. Like, there's a whole other episode to do about the genocide in Sudan and the gold being smuggled to the UAE, which is atrocious. But you can see, it's like, it feels like a currency shift is coming and it feels like the Middle East is rising into their like, modern incarnation.

• 1:57:43Tucker Carlson?

  There's no question.

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  And it feels, it feels like all these things are happening.

• 1:57:46Tucker Carlson?

  But may I just ask one thing, just to, I mean, it's an amazing explanation, true or not, but the piece that's missing in my mind is why, if you wanted to murder Mohammed bin Salman? And would you shoot up a Jason Aldean concert?

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  That is a good question, and that's the question that first got me hung up on this whole theory. And I don't really know. I it's still the most endearing mystery of the whole thing to me in that we have. We've aligned on a story that has a perpetrator that we know is perfectly morally capable of doing so. Like essentially, we're saying like, kind of the most extreme jihadi terrorist factions.

• 1:58:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  From that, that uh. That is possible, but it's like, that still doesn't explain why it would be a part of the plan, right? And different people come to different theories here, and none of them really satisfy me.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  One is that we have rounds that were fired at the fuel tanks at the airport. So across from the Mandalay Mandalay Bay, across diagonally ahead of it is the concert. But across directly is the airport beyond the concert. And there's these giant white fuel tanks, these giant metal white fuel tanks over there that got shot by bolt action fire. And uh, the I mean, the police story is that one of them penetrated but didn't ignite. But it was they they say that officially eight rounds were fired at the fuel tanks. I don't know how they know eight specifically. Two of them hit the fuel tanks, didn't ignite. And so there's a certain kind of faction of people that think that the goal was to ignite those fuel tanks and basically explode them.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  Which to me speaks to distraction or chaos, like cause pandemonium as some reasonable, some part of a plan. There's a lot of reasons why you might want pandemonium in the in an exit in something like this. But um, it's hard to say what that means. But in that theorizing, you could then say, okay, well, if the tanks don't ignite, then just shoot the concert goers. That'll cause pandemonium. That that's never really satisfied my my question or curiosity.

• 1:59:51Tucker Carlson?

  So the idea that it was a diversion makes sense. I mean, of course.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  It does make sense to have it as.

• 1:59:56Tucker Carlson?

  Do you have any evidence? So if the crown prince was in the hotel, he likely would have been above Stephen Paddock in the Four Seasons portion of the hotel. And is. So do we have any evidence, anything weird was going on up there?

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  Not to my knowledge, other than the fact that we have helicopters that

• 2:00:19Speaker 02

  we have helicopters that took off from the tour operator, three of them, early on, before everything started, that go fly over top of the Mandalay Bay and then turn their transponders off and they're off for the entire duration of the shooting. Don't really know what happens there. Um, we have helicopters that appear to be shooting that are circling around the Mandalay Bay in the footage. And we have much later, we have reports of a armed gunman. First, it's a possible suspect on the fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay. We're talking like an hour to an hour and a half later. And then just shortly after that first call. And it's a, it's, I'm pretty sure this one was reported by police, not, not like a 911 call, but like on police radio.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  I could be wrong about that. Is it's first it's a suspect and then it escalates and a few minutes later, it's like we haven't, we have a armed gunman in the, on the fourth floor of Mandalay Bay. And then we have no, no follow up on that. We have no context of what happened there, whether that was real or not, we don't know. But other than that, there's actually a serious lack of anything happening in the Mandalay Bay. There is the explosive breaching of the, of the police team getting in there, the one SWAT guy with his team breaching into Paddock's room.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  That's a question. We don't know. But other than that, there's not a whole lot of like reported activity.

• 2:01:38Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  One thing that, uh, I believe it was Colin again, that noticed this is in the photos of the room. He noticed that there were loaded AK-47 magazines, AK-style magazines, but there was no AKs in the room.

• 2:01:55Tucker Carlson?

  And they were loaded with 7.62 by 39 rounds.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  They were full, they were completely filled. Um, as though you were, as though you had had AKs that you were going to go shoot in the desert, or whatever the actual explanation for why Paddock thought he was there, whatever that was. He speculates, I don't, I don't have a better explanation, but John Cullen speculates that the shot that we hear earlier in the day that was reported by someone on the floor, they said it was like 3:30 or so, someone reported that they heard a shot

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  in the Mandalay Bay, a single shot. He speculates that that's when Stephen Paddock was killed, that.

• 2:02:34Speaker 02

  They get in, they open his door, whether it's, whether they've already manipulated the key cards, or they just knock and walk in and shoot him. I don't know. But this, he speculates that that's when paddock was actually killed. But if you are, if, if you're playing out this narrative to try to make that make sense, if you are Saudi hit squads, and you walk into this room of paddocks filled with all these weapons, you're going to pick up the one you're familiar with. Right? That would make, that would make sense in my mind.

• 2:03:02Tucker Carlson?

  It would. Has the, I should have asked this earlier. Has the hotel ever released all the relevant surveillance footage?

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  Not a single ounce of it. No. Even though there is endless surveillance footage, obviously.

• 2:03:12Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, every, every.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  And, and it's not that they really, they didn't release footage that disproved people. It's not that, that, that there was 911 calls and we were all, people were conspiracy theorizing. It was like, something happened in the Bellagio. So they released footage that showed nothing happened in the Bellagio. That's not what happened. They didn't release anything. At all.

• 2:03:31Tucker Carlson?

  That's incredible.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yep. And they put gag orders on all of their employees. And everything, it was just this chill on everything.

• 2:03:42Tucker Carlson?

  Who owns MGM?

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  Uh, I actually don't remember. Um, at the time, I'm trying to remember if this guy was.

• 2:03:51Tucker Carlson?

  Publicly traded.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  He got, yeah, he, this guy got into politics, the CEO of MGM. He, um, he sold off, oh yeah, oh yeah. Man, this is the thing about this story is there's so many details that are like, what the fuck? The CEO of MGM, I should almost refer to my notes, he sold off 80% of his MGM stock, like six months before the shooting happened. It was, uh, I'm probably going to get the numbers wrong. It was a lot of money. But the number 80% I feel pretty dang confident about. He sold a shitload of his MGM stock in the months leading into the shooting. I think it was six months before. Um, he later on. Was chosen to be the head of the COVID task force in Las Vegas, if I remember correctly.

• 2:04:36Speaker 02

  There's a lot of insider stuff like that of like,

• 2:04:38Tucker Carlson?

  Perfect.

• 2:04:39Speaker 02

  Okay, what the hell is going on?

• 2:04:41Tucker Carlson?

  Has anyone ever asked, you know, like the US government, the Saudi government about any of this?

• 2:04:48Speaker 02

  I mean, other than, you know, journalists online, like podcasters that have sort of like posed the question. John, John Cullen is very fond of posing the question. Mindy Robinson made a documentary where like she rhetorically posed the question very angrily of like, like, what the fuck is this, guys? Like, are we ever going to get answers? Are you, are you ever going to answer for this? And obviously there's no response to any of that as far as I've ever seen. I don't think anyone has ever really posed the question. And I think that there, you know, you could explain it as a conspiracy theorist of like, they never, it's like, they're not going to tell us about nine 11. So why would they? But if you, when you go, the thing that's really interesting in my mind about this Saudi theory,

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  which is very much just a theory, is that it does explain why it would be geopolitically relevant and sensitive to this day.

• 2:05:34Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  And why, right? Like, because then you're actually talking about US Saudi relations right now with the soon to be king of Saudi Arabia. You're talking about Trump's family relationships because Trump was the president at that time and he was fresh in. And I'm sure that he had something to do with, if that's what happened. I'm sure that Trump had something to do with the response and the security and whatever happened. But then you're also talking about US Israel relations because bin Salman's relationship with Israel is very different than these, this more hardliner,

• 2:06:08Tucker Carlson?

  Very different.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  Old school factions relationship with Israel, right? And so there's all of these relationships that shift around Trump's presidency in the United States and his relationship to bin Salman and bin Salman's ascendancy in Saudi and their relationship to everyone else in the Middle East, which is so critical. And so it's like, well, that does start to explain in my mind why it might not just be that they're covering it up because they're embarrassed and don't want to tell you. But they might actually have this sort of like Trump card, so to speak, of national security. There's like a legitimate reason why we're covering this up. So everybody shut your mouths. Because it's hard, like, how do you cover something so vast?

• 2:06:47Tucker Carlson?

  Those would be the victims in this attempted murder, if in fact that's what it was. I have seen that before where people are on the wrong side of, you know, an act of violence or the victims of it, but they don't want to talk about it.

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  Well, not especially when you're a king of some, a kingdom so powerful, you don't want to expose a weakness. You don't want to, and also.

• 2:07:05Tucker Carlson?

  I've, I've seen that.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  You don't want to, I mean, you certainly don't want to expose, let alone the, what is it? Methods, techniques and of, you know, the things that intelligence agencies don't want to ever give away. It's like the way we do covert operations and covert extractions and all that. But even beyond like giving away state secrets like that, it's like, you also don't want to expose all of the collateral damage that was caused in the wake of this thing.

• 2:07:30Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  Because inevitably, so let's just imagine that Mohammed Salman, they tried to kill him in Vegas. And he was the good guy in the story, even though, you know, that is not what's being said here. The life is all shades of gray, but it's, there's almost no version of that story where a civilian isn't killed because of his team as well. And, you know, an American isn't killed because, because, you know, the SWAT team wasn't there to do that because they were over there doing that. Which by the way, where the fuck was the SWAT team? Right? So now that we've gone through all of this narrative and, and evidence, just like kind of teasing out. And then we come back to where was the SWAT team? It makes a lot more sense, I bet, in the audience's mind. And this is for me, this was how my own digging into it happened because I came into this naive.

• 2:08:15Speaker 02

  And I look at all this journalism and early on I stumbled across the body cam footage of them breaching the room. And it doesn't really stick out to me that there's only one SWAT guy with them, even though I acknowledged it. But it was like, huh, that's weird. But then like after this snaking journey through trying to learn all these other elements of what was going on. And you start to learn about the airport and you learn about the other hotels and you learn about the possible extraction of like a king. Then it's like, okay, so where was the SWAT?

• 2:08:43Tucker Carlson?

  The possible extraction of a king, do we have any suggestion that that happened?

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  No, no, we do not know. And honestly, now that I'm mentioning it and I'm kind of thinking it through right now, one of the only like, and I'm not saying this is concrete evidence. I'm actually saying the opposite because one of the most concrete pieces of evidence is that the SWAT team was not at the place where they should have been. They should have been at Stephen Paddock's door. This is the most, this is one of the most decorated, experienced and well-funded biggest SWAT, one of the biggest SWAT teams in America. And they had one guy, they had one shooter in one room that they should have been breaching.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  But when you actually look at the true story, there's all these other things happening that might have needed their attention more. But my understanding is that SWAT is actually used for protection of high level dignitaries, used for extraction of high level, like that's the kind of thing that I could imagine them actually being diverted to, right?

• 2:09:36Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  Because if this event was this more complex thing of some sort, they're not going to send them to Stephen Paddock's room. That actually, that's the last place you want to send your SWAT team, right? Especially once the shooting from Paddock's room has stopped. Because if you're already getting reports of something going on at the airport, or like if what we're talking about is happening at all, then you're probably getting reports directly from this whoever high level dignitary or person that's trying to be assassinated. There's probably deeper levels of intel being fed to whoever makes the decision of where the SWAT team goes.

• 2:10:08Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  And so it's, you suddenly have a pretty obvious explanation of like, the SWAT team wasn't there because something more important was happening.

• 2:10:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  And I don't think, and we know the SWAT team wasn't at the concert. We don't have evidence of the SWAT team being at the hotels. I don't have any evidence of them being at the airport, although we don't really have enough evidence to say whether they were or not at the airport. But where were they? Because that actually, I think, is one of the biggest pieces of this puzzle.

• 2:10:33Tucker Carlson?

  And he would have Secret Service as well.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:10:36Tucker Carlson?

  So you said about 60 people were killed.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:39Tucker Carlson?

  Over 100, I know were shot.

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it was 400 plus were wounded in total.

• 2:10:45Tucker Carlson?

  So that's a lot of survivors. That's a lot of families of the murdered. Have any of them raised these questions?

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  A lot of them did early on, and I think a lot of them still do. But a lot of people, I think, feel voiceless and in a lot of ways are voiceless. If no one's going to go to you, if the media is not going to investigate it, if there's never going to be a federal investigation, then they have no recourse. And so what wound up happening was independent media started going to them.

• 2:11:10Tucker Carlson?

  So there was no, in the, I mean, I was in the fabled mainstream media at the time. I don't remember anyone really pushing on this for Very hard. Do you know of anyone?

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  As far as I'm aware, you're the one that pushed the hardest.

• 2:11:24Tucker Carlson?

  It wasn't that hard.

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 2:11:25Tucker Carlson?

  We did get hassled by the police in Las Vegas, which was striking.

• 2:11:31Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 2:11:31Tucker Carlson?

  Because, yeah, you work at Fox News, basically pro-cop. All the cops know that. You know, I've never had any problem with any cop. They're always so nice. And I think the only time I've ever had, in the last 20 years anyway, I've ever had a hostility from the police was in Las Vegas. And they tried to block us from our camera position, which was in a vacant lot. I'll never forget this. And it was at night and they tried to make us leave. And I thought, that's, I remember saying to the producer, man, we've never gotten that treatment.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  Interesting. Were you, was it on any specific lot? Like?

• 2:12:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it was right. It was a camera shot. So we were, you know, we were, I was doing like a stand-up facing the area where the shooting took place. And.

• 2:12:15Speaker 02

  They just weren't about it?

• 2:12:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, and they were weird about it too, really weird about it and hostile. And that was just so striking because again, if you work at, ask anyone who works at Fox, you know, you see cops and they're just so nice because everyone hates cops except, you know, the Fox News anchors, that's their view anyway. So I've never, I never experienced that before.

• 2:12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. And it was.

• 2:12:36Tucker Carlson?

  It was weird.

• 2:12:37Speaker 02

  The whole government just shut up about it and the mainstream media, it was like three days later, the story just died. Most horrific mass shooting in American history. And those victims, like a lot of them are still alive, but they're paralyzed. A lot of them have brain damage. A lot of them like lost limbs or eyes or things like that. It's, it's a real tragedy and it's easy to get into conspiracy land only with it. And I do think it's important to try to uncover what really happened, obviously, to try to dig out what the hell is this? But it's also, it's, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that like, that was hundreds of Americans. And then by extension, thousands of Americans, thousands and thousands of Americans, whose lives will never be the same because of that, who lost family members, lost loved ones. And they, and these were like.

• 2:13:22Speaker 02

  It's really sad on that map that I was telling you about Vegas shooting map. They have death reports of like all the victims pinned onto the map. And it gives you like their age, their name, their profession. And in some cases, it gives you a little description of who they were and what their life was like and what they were doing. And it's just so sad to read because like a lot of them is like was there with her boyfriend to celebrate their anniversary. Like was a kindergarten teacher or you know, things like that. That's just, and that's where it really hits home where it's like, you need, you need an explanation that, that explains why something so evil would happen.

• 2:13:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  And I think that's the enduring question that keeps the investigation open. But it's also the enduring question that makes it, makes it so that it wasn't solved by just like these basic explanations. Because we easily debunked the mainstream narrative. But then there was lots of other sort of like half baked versions of maybe it's this, maybe it's this. But none of them explained how evil it was and none of them explained the scope and scale of what it was. And to this day, there's no, there's no one proven theory. Um, I've just sort of laid out what is the most explored. And I think by my standard, the most credible version of a theory. Um, and a lot of people are pretty much on that theory at this point, that they think that that's the, the, the one that is a version of true.

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  Um, but it's not the only theory and uh, it's as far from proven, that's for sure. And it wouldn't be, I mean, there's a thing you asked, like, has there ever been any investigators? I'm sure the government already knows.

• 2:14:56Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 2:14:57Speaker 02

  Like, that's the reason why you get the cover up of this magnitude is because they know, they know what happened.

• 2:15:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's obvious. Whenever there's not an investigation, it's not because no one's interested.

• 2:15:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:06Tucker Carlson?

  Um, and we've seen that a lot. In fact, we've seen it so much that you sort of wonder at what point it's just impossible to have like a functioning justice system. Because nobody believes anything.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's just over and over again, when something happens, we feel like we're not like. Like Charlie Kirk is months, months ago now. And to this day, I think the most Americans still feel like we don't have an honest set of answers. Whether you believe it was Tyler Robinson, or you believe it was some version of some other conspiracy, I think that a lot of people feel very underwhelmed by the way it was handled by Cash, the way it was handled by every government official involved. And that should have been the most basic one.

• 2:15:51Tucker Carlson?

  Well, Sue, I didn't want to talk about this because I'm, you know, I know everyone involved very well and I feel emotional about it and I'm going out, you know, day after tomorrow to speak at Turning Point at Charlie's request. But, um, I don't, so my, the hostility that I, I don't know what that was. The onus is on the government to prove it was a lone gunman. Okay. It's, that's up to them, not up to me.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  That's their job.

• 2:16:16Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not accusing anybody. I don't know exactly what happened. There is a lot of evidence that Tyler Robinson was involved, at least from what I read.

• 2:16:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:16:27Tucker Carlson?

  If those text messages are real and the murder weapon is, you know, like, I'm willing to believe anything, but I do think it's up to them to prove it to us.

• 2:16:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:35Tucker Carlson?

  Here's what I don't understand. There's been an enormous amount of rage, uh, you know, different, people with different views getting mad at each other. There's been almost no pressure on federal law enforcement to cough up the freaking facts and to tell a story that makes sense, just in, that's got internal coherence that like, oh, that makes sense. Like, I get it.

• 2:16:58Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:16:59Tucker Carlson?

  And there's no pressure on them. Even the question of motive, like, again, I want to believe it was a lone gunman who was a tranny or something. I want to believe that.

• 2:17:08Speaker 02

  That is a lot better of an answer, a lot more comfortable.

• 2:17:11Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. I want that. By the way, I'm a middle-aged man. I'm a normie. I don't want to believe anything other than what they tell me. But they've made it impossible for me. So, but I don't understand the motive. Like, they're like, well, transgenderism, which obviously I'm opposed to, but okay, was he transgender? Was he on hormones? Was he, how do you go from being this seemingly normal person to murdering a stranger with almost a dead certainty you'll be punished? You'll spend life in prison or be executed for it? Like, that's a lot. That's a deep commitment, okay? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Of course it does, but like, how did it happen in this case?

• 2:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. And tell us the facts, right?

• 2:17:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, shut up.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's like, it's a parallel to the Las Vegas in the sense that just one piece of evidence in, in, in the case of Charlie Kirk, it's one piece of evidence. In the case of Las Vegas, it's like five trillion.

• 2:18:03Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the Las Vegas thing, the story is just like.

• 2:18:06Speaker 02

  Well, what I, what I was going to say is that the video is, we know they have it. Like in Vegas, we know that there's surveillance footage of the entire city. We know that every hotel has footage of everything that happened. And we know that they could release it and we could see these alleged gunmen. We could see these fake 911 calls, right? And in Charlie's case, we know that the camera that they released footage of, of this guy running across the roof, that camera sees the whole roof. That camera sees the shooting position clearly. I went there myself. And so it's like, if you have the video of the shooter running to get off the roof, you have the video of him taking the shot. And so it's these little things where you don't take that step to release the evidence that is so in our faces, to just give a little bit of trust to the public, to clarify things.

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  It's like, why don't you take this step for trust? Because like you're saying, it's their job to prove these things. It's their job to.

• 2:18:55Tucker Carlson?

  It's not up, it's not up to you or me. I mean, I've stayed out of it. Mostly I've really tried my hardest to stay out of it, but I feel emotional about it. But you're watching the Trump coalition turn against itself, eat itself. And okay, fine. I mean, there are legitimate disagreements, of course, I'm always for that, but no calls for the FBI or the authorities in Utah. Yeah. Or the college, like there's no pressure on them. What is that?

• 2:19:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you wouldn't want to taint a jury pool.

• 2:19:29Tucker Carlson?

  That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

• 2:19:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's kind of dumb.

• 2:19:33Tucker Carlson?

  Do you know how many crimes I've covered? I was a police reporter and like the first thing that happens is the authorities call you up and they tell you this exactly what this, they tell you their story.

• 2:19:41Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:19:42Tucker Carlson?

  That taints a jury pool? Yeah, it does. In favor of conviction.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:47Tucker Carlson?

  So I've never, I mean, I've been around this for over 30 years. I'm not an expert in anything, but I've certainly seen. Law enforcement respond to a crime.

• 2:19:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:19:57Tucker Carlson?

  A lot. And I've never heard anybody say anything like this. Doesn't make any sense. Like, what is it? What does it even mean?

• 2:20:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. And to me, being, being like younger and newer in this thing, having more naivete, it's hard growing up. So I'm like the quintessential nine 11 generation. I was like seven, eight, nine. I was, what was it? 2001. I would have been nine when nine 11 happened. And so to me, with my life experience, it's just hard not to be like, when you see the government act this way, it's because they're covering up one of these things that I don't know what they are.

• 2:20:28Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, when I act that way, I'm covering something up. When you do too. That's a human thing. If I'm

• 2:20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:34Tucker Carlson?

  hiding something, if I'm lying about something, there's a reason. I'm not doing it unless I'm like some total sociopath freak. I'm not doing it for fun. I'm doing it because I'm trying to conceal something.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I think that we've just, I mean, we've always had them throughout history. We had them in Vietnam. We had them long before that. Like, they've been everywhere in history, but I don't know if it's information increasing the frequency that they feel like they're happening at, or if it's corruption increasing as the empire sort of late stages itself. But it just feels like we're in this era now where every couple of years, we get another one that is so big, it's hard to imagine a bigger one. And then boom, COVID hits, right? And it's like, what could even be weirder than the, and it's like, I'm not saying that one is more important than the other. But I think it's just striking that over and over, there's always more gigantic world events that feel

• 2:21:24Speaker 02

  viscerally like cover-ups, where there's no reason for there to be a cover-up of the assassination of someone like Charlie, especially when Trump, like who Charlie got into power is in power, when that's there like, and it's not like it's Trump's job to solve the crime. It's just that, you know, you would hope that he has a coalition in place and that his government and his FBI and his people, that they should have no greater motivation ever than to solve this crime.

• 2:21:50Tucker Carlson?

  But what about all of the people who, you know, knew Charlie or who are sad, you know, or every American, why are they turning against each other and not against the authorities?

• 2:22:02Speaker 02

  It's just that wild.

• 2:22:03Tucker Carlson?

  Whose job it is. I would always think this about the race crap. It's like blacks should hate whites. Whites should be afraid of blacks. Okay, got it. No one ever mentions like private equity. It did feel like a fight amongst yourselves scenario and this does too.

• 2:22:19Speaker 02

  I think it's exactly what happened during COVID. And obviously I have a big bias here and people should, should only listen to me about Charlie Kirk through my bias around my reporting on it. But to me, it looks like the same sort of mass formation psychosis that happened during COVID. It's just that that was better at targeting the left because it was like collectivism of collectively, we're going to protect all the sick people and leftists are, you know, nevermind. Um, this one is targeting the right because they shot our guy and we loved Charlie and like, and these, these damn leftists hate us, right? And we've got this, we've got our leftist tranny guy and we hate and, and they're whipping it up on that and all the news is parroting the same thing and all of the, I'm not going

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  to name any names, but all the talking heads on social media that are not independent, they're all saying the exact same narrative. And so you get this spiraling narrative that is building this.

• 2:23:09Tucker Carlson?

  I don't even know what the narrative is. Like I'm happy to buy into your dumb narrative. Just tell me what it is. And as I said, my preference is for a, an easy to understand non sinister or less sinister explanation that involves one guy. But if you're telling me the tranny did this, actually the tranny seems to be in federal protection right now with no charges against him, even though by the text messages they released, he had four, he knew about it and didn't go to authorities. So how is he not an accessory? How, why is he under protection? What's this? So he can testify? We have the text messages. You don't need like, what shouldn't a guy who knew about the crime but didn't report it? Who lived with the gunman, shouldn't he be charged with something?

• 2:23:51Tucker Carlson?

  What about the people who predicted this on the internet before it happened?

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:55Tucker Carlson?

  Where are they? And like, okay, so I don't really even know what this, what story are you telling me? I don't even get it.

• 2:24:02Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:24:03Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, I'm upset.

• 2:24:04Speaker 02

  No, I totally hear it. And it's, I think it's a rage that a lot of Americans feel and they look for outlet because

• 2:24:10Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  Some people see this piece that didn't make sense and some people see that piece that didn't make sense. And others see, others just feel, just feel a weird vibe from it, but

• 2:24:19Tucker Carlson?

  Was the shooter transgender?

• 2:24:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:24:21Tucker Carlson?

  Is that what they're saying?

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:24:21Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, then what does that have to do with it all?

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  Well, he became like gay for the transgender guy. But it's just like, it doesn't have anything to do with it unless you can prove with the facts that like, he actually had the motive, the means, the weapon, the location.

• 2:24:36Tucker Carlson?

  But what was the motive that Charlie had said? Bad things, I mean, look,

• 2:24:41Speaker 02

  A few times.

• 2:24:41Tucker Carlson?

  I know that people were, you know, the left hated Charlie, fact, they celebrated his death, fact. But to kill somebody you've never met, it's a pretty abstract thing to do.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  And to plan it out and to go through with it, right?

• 2:24:56Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. So you're either completely deranged or your ideological motivation is so profound, you're a suicide bomber basically. Cause you know that you're not gonna, you're gonna die because of your murder. So that's just such a big step. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying, tell me how.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  Tell me how the 4.0 student that like nearly aced his ACT became that.

• 2:25:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's insane. And then the rage of like even asking that question, it's like, and I never say this, but I just, I just will say, I knew Charlie really well, like not, not just green room friends, like I know him really well. And, um, and, and you know, loved him. And so, and I know for a fact that his whole life was testament to this, he was for inquiry, you know, honest questions. So people like, oh, just asking questions? Charlie be like, yeah, just asking questions. As is my

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  Birthright.

• 2:25:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:46Speaker 02

  As an American citizen.

• 2:25:47Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, you think? And so you're so what you're saying is that mass formation psychology clearly has taken hold among a bunch of people where it's like they just can't think clearly.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  Well, I don't think that it takes hold by accident. I think that it's the kind of thing that only happens when you have a massive propaganda campaign and it's like basically a state sponsored operation to control the information space is what.

• 2:26:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, there's definitely, I mean, there's definitely some of that. And that's. Flat out, we know. Cause I'm watching it and I'm not gonna. You know, whatever, I'm gonna just shut up now because I know too many people involved and I and I love them all, honestly.

• 2:26:23Speaker 02

  And it's like with the Vegas shooting, with a lot of these things, it can kind of get swept under the rug, right? It can kind of get put away. And with Vegas, they managed to sort of just stop talking about it. And a lot of like, you know, independent journalists were loud, but there's a lot of other stuff going on and none of them really had massive platforms. And we weren't in the era of the internet we are in today yet. And so it was enough to just kind of sweep it under the rug and they never had to like build some big, complex alternative narrative and flood the zone and have shills kind of doing. And Charlie's is just a different thing. And it's like each, each time, like with COVID, we got our own slice of what is weird going on here. With Vegas, we got our own slice of like a cover up, right?

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  Different, different suspicious crimes that aren't explained require different cover ups. And it's, it's like everyone has their own opinion about what's going on with Charlie. I have mine for sure. But, um, but the people are getting, getting wise to this. It's not adding up thing like it, it shouldn't be a mystery. Like when you have a regular crime in your town and you get a regular sheriff to come and explain the crime and show you the evidence and you get a regular court trial about it. I don't think that's usually like some grand mystery of like, I think that the local sheriff is covering up the fact that this robbery happened. It's like, no, it's just like, you've got evidence, you've got photos, you've got, it is what it is.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  But it's, there's, there's these certain moments in history where. Not because everyone's wanting everything to always be this way, but because sometimes the facts don't line up. Like they just don't line up with what we're told at all. And Vegas is one of the most like, most intensely like powerful, tragic, violent and deadly of all of them. And it's one of the ones where the facts line up less than any other.

• 2:28:14Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree with that. I'm actually shocked by this conversation. Someone with like a passing familiarity with it, I thought, but I just didn't realize how absurd the story is. Like it's absurd.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  And the crazy part is how much there actually is right there, open source, like just vegas shooting map.com that I was telling you about. Just that one webpage has just hours and hours and hours of stuff that immediately disprove the mainstream narrative.

• 2:28:44Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's COVID. It was all there. I mean, vaccinated people you knew got COVID. I mean, what? I remember this was happening all, not that I knew a lot of vaccinated people. I tried not to spend time with, I was always uncomfortable around the vaccinated, but um, but I did know some and they all had COVID. And I'm like, this is clearly a lie. And then every day you'd be, again, many times, right? They never got over it, they still have COVID. But then you'd watch on TV, say, even if, if you can't get COVID, it's like, how can they say that? I just sat like a dog with my jaw open. Like, what is this? Am I watching this? So I gotta ask you one last question. Um, so I've never seen anybody, it's about

• 2:29:23Tucker Carlson?

  you. I've never seen anybody sort of come to prominence faster ever in our world. And that's led to a lot of speculation that you're a CIA officer in disguise.

• 2:29:36Speaker 02

  Or I'm like Mossad.

• 2:29:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, Mossad. I hadn't even seen that. But yeah, probably Mossad, I guess. And um, So I, you know, my personal explanation is just an amazing explainer and a diligent researcher. And you're really interested in what's true. And those are the three qualities that make a successful person in our world. However, it's worth asking, like, how the hell did you get so famous so fast? Where did you come from? And how did you decide to do this?

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I've told this story a few different times. But it's, it is, it's, I'll never get used to it. It's wild. It's bizarre to go from the life I had three years ago to the life I live right now. But it was a combination of luck and skill and timing, I think, as far as I can tell. In that I did study the social media landscape to try to figure out how to get into it. Cause I wanted to get into it. I, at first I thought I was going to get into it with ultra running content. Cause I thought like, you need to do something unique. That's like really special. And I thought, well, ultra running is cool and unique. But ultimately that's not, that's like this weird ego mindset. That is not the way to do anything in life, least of all be on the internet.

• 2:30:47Speaker 02

  And so in doing that for about a year.

• 2:30:49Tucker Carlson?

  Can you explain what that means?

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  Just that, that there's a lot of dudes, especially, women have the same problem, but it's, it presents differently. I think there's a lot of dudes with ego on the internet, trying to show off how fricking cool they are. And you should subscribe because they're cool. And that is a hollow reason to follow someone. And it's a hollow way to build an audience. And it's a hollow way to build your platform, your job and your life. Because inherently it's a, it's a, it's a dog eat dog world where everyone is just out for themselves. Right? It's a world where everyone that's doing it for those reasons is just going to try to do what's going to make them look the coolest and be the best. And inherently you're not the coolest.

• 2:31:27Tucker Carlson?

  No, exactly.

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  You're not the coolest. You're just a dude.

• 2:31:31Tucker Carlson?

  We're all kind of absurd, actually.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  Fortunately, by the time I was kind of, cause I had worked in kitchens, I'd worked in education and teaching. I'd worked, I'd traveled and done travel work. I'd done all sorts of stuff throughout my life. And by the time in my early thirties, I was kind of wanting to get into this. Largely because of COVID, because I was like, fuck working in kitchens. I'm done with that. And I used to be a teacher. Oh, line cooking, kitchen managing. I love cooking on the line. So cooking everything from breakfast cooking to pizza to fine dining.

• 2:32:00Tucker Carlson?

  Are you a good cook?

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, really good cook. I've got, I mean, I've got like eight or nine years of experience, like cooking all sorts of different genres, some really amazing coworkers and chefs.

• 2:32:09Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I like worked at a hand thrown pizza place for a long time and I.

• 2:32:14Tucker Carlson?

  How'd you stay so thin?

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  I have Crohn's disease.

• 2:32:17Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so it's like that, then that's actually where the ultra running was really interesting thing is that for me, nutrition and health and food has always, ever since I figured out what was going on with my health, nutrition, health and food has been a huge part of my life of just getting, getting right. I had no choice, thank God, because then once I got my health right, I was like, whoa, it feels amazing to feel regular and amazing. And then I just like dove into fitness and running and all these things. And so by the time I had kind of like COVID had clearly woken me up to, I don't want a dead end job and I don't want to work in kitchens and I don't want to live this life anymore. And I used to be a teacher. I was raised by teachers. I'm supposed to be like, my spark is for learning and for like sharing learning. Cause teaching is not really teaching. Teaching

• 2:33:02Speaker 02

  is sharing the experience of learning.

• 2:33:04Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Right? It's sharing the spark. And, and I know that and I knew that. And so, and I knew that learning happens where people pay attention, not where teachers tell people to pay attention. And so if you really want to change or inspire kids or like teach kids, you ought to be where they're looking, which is in here.

• 2:33:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:33:20Speaker 02

  Right? And I knew that four years ago, when I had kind of stopped my last teaching gig, I guess it was like three. But I was scared to take the leap and somewhere during COVID, eventually it was just like, whatever I'm into, fine, let's start. And I started in running content, but it was just, it was wrong and I knew it was wrong. But I learned a lot and I studied the industry while I was doing it. And then eventually I shut that down. It was like, I want, cause.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  If you're gonna do this, it's gonna be your day job, right? And so if my day job is to like make ultra running content and look be really cool and stuff, then I have to go on an adventure every week. I have to go do some new crazy like athletic accomplishment every week to try to be cool on the internet, which is a horrible thing to do with your life.

• 2:34:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  And it turns all of your fun adventures into work, right?

• 2:34:06Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 2:34:07Speaker 02

  And it's a bad business model if you're just thinking about a business model. And it's like, well, I should be doing information for a million reasons. And I flipped and switched. Um, and right away, I, I mean, I had some skills that were really applicable. And I had a, a lot of luck along the way of people that I met and people that saw my stuff and people that enjoyed my content. But I had really good timing too, where I started on Tik Tok right when the censorship wasn't too bad and they're pushing longer videos. And then I got onto X right as Diddy was happening. And then Candace found my Diddy reporting and kind of boosted me there. And then I got into, I intentionally got onto YouTube after Trump was elected so that I wouldn't be throttled by old YouTube policies. At least that was my theory.

• 2:34:49Speaker 02

  Um, so I've, I've had a mixture of factors, but ultimately, I don't know, man. It's been crazy. It's been a wild ride.

• 2:34:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, you went from anonymous to famous like faster than.

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  It was uncomfortable. Uh, yeah, it's, it's like the kind of thing where fortunately I don't have like, I can only imagine if you had like some weird fucked up life in your past. And then suddenly you are famous and you're like, oh gosh. Cause fortunately I was just like a hippie that ran around the woods and like had taught kids. And it's like, it's like, cool, whatever. I'm perfectly proud of my life. I have no issue.

• 2:35:21Tucker Carlson?

  No felony record or anything.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Nothing, no criminal record, nothing crazy. And it, and it's like, but it still is like a weird like shift of how you, like how your privacy is like, what does your family think? Like, how do you kind of keep your family safe from the public eye in general too? Um, it's just a crazy transition and, and it's crazy to transition from being able to say whatever I wanted when I was first starting, cause the whole point was to just do like, I started the first Tik Tok account called Cancel This Clothing Company, as in like cancel me, I'm gonna say some crazy shit. I'm just a conspiracy theorist. Like, I'm just gonna do tinfoil. But I was always actually just trying to do evidence based, trying to figure out what the hell is going on out here. And I knew that you need permission in yourself to, to go anywhere in order to figure it out.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  It's like growing up on nine 11, it's like, well, what the hell happened there? And. And it really teaches you, you have to be willing to like, listen to crazy theories and digest crazy ideas.

• 2:36:17Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  Maybe they're not true, but you gotta make sure they're not. And so I had thought that like, I had started this whole thing, just kind of saying whatever I wanted, doing whatever I wanted. And as I kind of grew really, really fast, it's like, holy shit, there's a lot of weight and gravity in what we do here.

• 2:36:30Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 2:36:31Speaker 02

  And it is, and we are in a really charged and important time. And I try to hold both those truths at once now, somehow.

• 2:36:36Tucker Carlson?

  So important.

• 2:36:37Speaker 02

  Because you can't like acquiesce to the gravity of the situation and then like stiffen up and become like calcified. And just, and just stay within your lines and be careful all the time. Because sometimes you have to say audacious things and sometimes like, sometimes unbelievable things are what's really happening.

• 2:36:54Tucker Carlson?

  You have to really to think audacious things.

• 2:36:56Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:36:57Tucker Carlson?

  And if you don't, if you don't allow yourself, if you live, you know, in a mental prison, you're, you're gonna miss things.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  And you gotta stay authentic too. It's like if you are, if you let, you know, the scope of the task or the scope of the audience or whatever limits you and like constrain you.

• 2:37:14Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Suddenly you're not authentic, you're not doing what you're really doing. But also you gotta be careful to not, you know, be authentic in a way that like you will regret, which I actually love. My favorite thing about this industry and about this world, this job, is that social media in general, and I, and I think I'm a huge proponent that other people start making things online. Not everyone should, but there's a lot of people that are just scared to start, but they're like on Twitter anonymously contributing to the conversation. I'm like, dude, make a video, it's way easier for us to interact with you, it's way easier for us to understand you. And the reason why I think this industry is so wonderful is because it's sort of like the, it's like your whole human self is here in this. Because you're communicating things, you're not just communicating facts and information of it like a journalist, you're also communicating like

• 2:37:59Speaker 02

  how to live, how to be like, who are you, like what's going on here, what do you believe, right? People choose what conversations to be a part of, but ultimately like. Who you are while you do this journey is immensely connected to how good you are at the job, right? And how well you convey your messaging, how well you sort of like figure out the facts. And so, and you can go anywhere you want. Like I've set up my platform in a way where like, I can go make running content if I want, or I can go to a burger joint and eat a burger and support a family-owned burger restaurant. It's like I just launched an app that'll let me support family and founder-owned businesses and stuff. And it's like, I can do anything I want here. And, and the only limiting factor is if I'm like, whole and healthy and

• 2:38:44Speaker 02

  happy and true to myself. And there's really no other job like that. Teaching is kind of like that. And that how you show up in the classroom is like, you're doing this full human experience with other humans, interfacing with them. And that's one of the coolest things about teaching. And in some ways, this is very similar. But, but like making pizzas isn't like that, you know, delivering food isn't like that.

• 2:39:06Tucker Carlson?

  I've done them both.

• 2:39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fun. And it's, I highly recommend that everyone do like some honest, real, like restaurant work, blue collar work, construction work, all that kind of stuff. It's like so fricking good.

• 2:39:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, I was forced to do it. But I, just on principle, you know, growing up, I was a pizza delivery boy. I was a factory worker.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had a lot of fun delivering food.

• 2:39:28Tucker Carlson?

  Worked at a gas station. Yeah, dishwasher. But no, I completely agree with that. So where will you be sort of starting research next?

• 2:39:38Speaker 02

  I am pretty dedicated to sticking with the Charlie thing for a while until we figure it out. But it's, but that's not your question.

• 2:39:46Tucker Carlson?

  But, well, that is my question. I mean, so that's, that's where your energy is focused.

• 2:39:50Speaker 02

  I firmly believe that, here's my perspective and my bias, just to qualify what I said before. I'm sure people already know this. But I believe that what happened there was not what we were told. And just like, like, as with Las Vegas, the moment that what you're told is not true, a million other things immediately come into play. Because why the fuck are you lying about it? And then like, why is, so what is this? Because suddenly, if it's even slightly not true, we're looking at a cover up, plus we're looking at a different perpetuity, we're looking at something else here. And so, when I look at Charlie Kirk's murder, I see what looks like a cover up. And I see that that's not true, for many reasons. But then,

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  I can't square any other version of the story that is not one of the most important political moments in our time right now, in terms of the political factions involved, in terms of the shifting geopolitical relationships in the world, in terms of what's going to be happening to my people in America today and now, and like the unity or disunity that might, we might experience over the next 10 years here and beyond. And so when I think about like, what's the most important story that I can devote my time to figuring out right now to hopefully ensure a better America for my children to grow up in, it's Charlie Kirk. And I don't know, I don't really believe that we're really going to ever get an answer, which is unfortunately a hallmark of these types of things, but I'm damn well going to spend my time to try. And that doesn't mean I'm going to exclude everything else.

• 2:41:20Speaker 02

  Like, for example, I'm actually, now that you kind of brought this Vegas shooting back up, I've gotten inspired where I want to go back and learn a shitload more about that and kind of dig even deeper and get more familiar with that, because that will inform the other thing, and then that will inform the other thing. So I'm very much focused on what happened to Charlie Kirk and watching this trial play out and watching the spider webbing branches of that play out. But I'm also trying to shift back to, I would mention this app, so I'm shifting back to, focused on corporate corruption in America as well, because in a lot of ways, like the big, like, tinfoily, like 9/11 kind of things, they're fun, but like, how your food is being poisoned and how the corporations are being incentivized to basically shit all over us and take all of our money, like, those sorts of things

• 2:42:05Speaker 02

  affect our day-to-day lives, right? Private equity affects, like, like, real people every day in America. So there's, that's a very much more grounded thing that I'm trying to focus on. And then the other thing is, well, actually, I shouldn't really talk about that story yet, but I have a, I have a friend that is on a story that is kind of like a financial thing that we'll, we'll look into later, so.

• 2:42:28Tucker Carlson?

  Ian Carroll, thank you for spending all this time.

• 2:42:30Speaker 02

  It's been a pleasure, man. I feel like we could have talked.

• 2:42:31Tucker Carlson?

  I was about to say, I've been a longtime fan, but you've only been here three years, so, but I am a fan. And I think you're brave and, and really interesting and, and trustworthy. So, thank you.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  It was an honor. Thanks.