He built a $20K/month SaaS solo from his bedroom

Join me as I chat with Jack Friks to discuss driving free traffic to mobile apps through organic social media marketing on Instagram and TikTok. He details a specific approach that involves creating a fresh account, studying successful content in your niche, and consistently posting while iterating on formats until finding one that generates significant views. Jack emphasizes that success requires patience, often taking 30-100 posts before finding a winning formula. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction and overview 01:52 - What viewers will learn from the episode 03:21 - Explanation of organic social media marketing approach 05:30 - How to find content ideas and formats 10:53 - Account warming and posting strategy 18:29 - Converting attention into actual app users 20:15 - Using AI to generate content ideas Key Points: • Jack Friks shares his journey from making zero to $20k/month using organic social media marketing for his mobile apps • The strategy involves creating a new account, finding viral content formats in your niche, and consistently iterating • Properly "warming up" a new account is crucial before posting content to avoid algorithm penalties • Converting views to app downloads requires strategic calls-to-action without making content feel like advertisements Link to Jack’s Guide: https://x.com/jackfriks/status/1856013303169847470 LCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/ BoringMarketing — Vibe Marketing for Sale: http://boringmarketing.com/ Startup Empire - a membership for builders who want to build cash-flowing businesses https://www.skool.com/startupempire/about FIND ME ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg Instagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/ FIND JACK ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://x.com/jackfriks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jackfriks Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@jackfriks0

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• 0:00Greg Isenberg?

  So you want to start a startup. Maybe you want to build it with AI. Maybe it's a SaaS. Maybe it's a consumer social app. But one of the hardest parts is getting thousands of customers to come to your product on autopilot. Right? Well, I brought on Jack Fricks, who built a startup. It's now doing, I think, $15,000 or $20,000 a month in revenue. And he did it by just posting on Instagram, building in public. He shows us how he does it. And then we use AI to come up with ideas for how you can do it too. Stick around for this entire episode. Some real takeaways for anyone who wants to build an audience from scratch and get customers on autopilot.

• 0:52Greg Isenberg?

  All right, we got Jack Fricks on the pod. He, I mean, I'm not going to say you're an overnight success, but you're now making 20 grand a month, building in public. Yeah, I wanted to have you on to teach us how you're doing it so that other people could, could copy you.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me. Overnight success, yeah, something like that.

• 1:18Greg Isenberg?

  Well, it's a thing. We were talking about that before we hit record is like even this podcast, like, you know, I've been doing it for four years. No one listened to it. And then it started to pop off. And now people see the podcast and they're like, oh, wow. That's really, you know, you've always crushed it, but the reality is, I'm sure the same with you. Right? Like you haven't been doing 10, 15, 20 K a month forever.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  No, not even close. Four or five years before that of basically nothing. So it all happens really fast though, when it does happen. So can't complain, but.

• 1:52Greg Isenberg?

  If, if people stay to the end of this episode, what will they tactically learn?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Um, I'm going to share today basically exactly what I used to start making less than $0 a month to market my mobile apps and use organic marketing like social media, posting on Instagram, TikTok. Just like how to make money with these platforms by driving traffic to your app for $0. That's like my main thing. That's what I'm most knowledgeable about. So if they stick around, they're definitely going to know how to do that.

• 2:26Greg Isenberg?

  And when you say app, do you mean specifically mobile apps? Should people who are not building mobile apps like click out of this episode?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Honestly, no, I think the skill of social media and organic marketing, like you can drive traffic to anything, just like I think consumer facing things are much easier. So like, even if you're not building something consumer facing, I think this is extremely valuable because like whatever you learn for how to get attention is going to transfer to any business still.

• 2:58Greg Isenberg?

  Cool, alright, so today we're going to learn how to get attention if you have no attention to begin with, and how you can take that attention, monetize it, send it to your SaaS app, mobile app, and that's what we're going to do. Alright, you want to share your screen and we can begin?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll do that. Basically, the way that I've learned how to do marketing, because I did never had money for ads and I didn't like ads, was organic social media posts. And what specifically that means is videos. You can post on Twitter, I've done this a lot, it's helped me grow one of my other businesses, but organic social media posts on Instagram and TikTok, you don't need a following to start this. I had zero followers when I started these pages, I've done it multiple times, I have multiple pages for the same app. Video content is just so easy to make, it's low effort, and you can make it low effort,

• 4:01Speaker 01

  you can make it easily, and you can like spam it out there and get a bunch of eyeballs on your product for zero dollars. You don't have to start from anywhere, so that's what I'm going to be talking about right now.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically, I have a guide on Twitter on all of this, it's my pinned tweets on Twitter, it's been used by lots and lots of people, and there's some common pitfalls people fall into, and that's what I'm going to go over right now, and some like just basically tips you could use to actually like get say a thousand downloads this month or a thousand visitors to your website for free. That's what we're going to focus on.

• 4:43Greg Isenberg?

  Cool. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at this and you're making it almost feel so easy, but it's like, well, how did you come up with the idea for this type of content? Right? Maybe we're gonna get into that.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. So honestly, as you can see here, kind of sneak peek, this page, I only post one type of content. It's two by two images with a caption. I found this format while I was iterating, like I made hundreds of videos before I found that format. And now I'm just low effort putting these out there and they still get results. So like, most people might stop milking something or stop using something because it's, they've used it so many times, but I don't because if it still gets results, I'm gonna keep using it.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I mean, that just makes sense to me.

• 5:30Greg Isenberg?

  And like, how does someone who doesn't have an idea for this format or a format, like, how do you come up with ideas for formats?

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's like the first step, honestly, in getting into like organic social media is you need to find ideas and it's actually not hard. All you have to do is, what I do is I make a new account for whatever business I'm in. That's the first step to doing this. You make a new account because it's just easier this way and you can then use this new account and follow content in your niche. You're gonna find a ton of content that's already viral for your target audience if you're scrolling and only engaging with your niche. And then you just save it for later. Like, I found a video when I was scrolling on this page, my curiosity quench page, which is

• 6:19Speaker 01

  one of my apps. I made this, had zero followers and I was scrolling in my niche, which was like hobbies, anti doom scrolling, like these niches. And I saw like this two by two video. It had like a million likes. So I tried it with, I tried it with first, like, Things to do instead of scrolling, that didn't work. I iterated, I went to hobbies. One of them blew up to like 10K views, which was abnormal because I was stuck below a thousand. And then I made it again. One of them hit like 100K views. That is a very quick example. It usually takes a few tries, like 30 to 40 to 100. But like, if you don't have ideas, you just scroll in your niche and save videos.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Like click that save button when you're scrolling. And then I just looked at them later. When I go to create a video, I do one a day. When I'm trying out new formats and just like mix it up every single day, basically. And try something new and then iterate on it, if that makes sense.

• 7:22Greg Isenberg?

  Are formats universal? Meaning, could you look at, you know, do you have to scroll your niche? Because sometimes you'll find a format in another niche that, you know, in your niche, people actually haven't tapped into. And there's an opportunity to use that, that's proven in that niche and bring it to yours.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's actually a really good angle. I think most people, you could definitely, yeah, you definitely could bring formats to like, that aren't in your niche, to your niche. I think that works. Because like this two by two format is just one example. There's, you could do anything, but this could be applied in like a million different ways. You can write a different caption. You can have different pictures of anything. And that could be applied, when I first found it in hobbies, to food. And that's what I actually did do that. Just because I was low effort, I did do that. I made this page and I made 30 posts on it for my food app. And one of them hit like, I think, 2 million. Because this is like a format that's validated in another niche and it brought it to this one.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  So yeah, to answer your question, yes, you absolutely can bring other formats over. The reason I just said for starting a new account is like for algorithms to know who to push your content to, if you have a new account, it's best if you only scroll in your niche. Just because then when you make your first video post, it knows who you're going for. So that's important, I think, to know. But if you're like scrolling on a different page and you see a format, you could definitely still reuse it.

• 8:57Greg Isenberg?

  Good tip, good tip. I never thought about that. Sam Altman, the co-founder of OpenAI, just said that it is the era of the idea guy, and he is not wrong. I think that right now is an incredible time to be building a startup. And if you listen to this podcast, chances are you think so too. Now, I think that you can look at trends to basically figure out what are the startup ideas you should be building. So that's exactly why I built idea browser.com. Every single day, you're going to get a free startup idea in your inbox, and it's all backed by high-quality data trends. How we do it, people always ask. We use AI agents to go and search. What are people looking for?

• 9:41Greg Isenberg?

  And what are they screaming for in terms of products that you should be building? And then we hand it on a silver platter for you to go check out. We do have a few paid plans that take it to the next level, give you more ideas, give you more AI agents and more, almost like a chat GPT for ideas with it. But you can start for free idea browser.com. And if you're listening to this, I highly recommend it.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's the, I think a lot of people do reuse old accounts, and it can work. But I always just say, like, I just start a fresh account. Zero followers is actually usually an advantage. Because if I have an account, let's say I have a personal account, and I start posting content that is not relevant to my audience. Instagram pushes that video out to your audience first, or like whoever your audience was or thinks it is before. And if it doesn't resonate with them, it's not going to push it out to a huge group of people to find a new audience. Whereas a new account, it's going to test, it's going to test like different audiences, which is really the great part of having a new account, is you get that like huge widespread possibility of reach. So you don't want to skip out on that, I think.

• 10:52Greg Isenberg?

  Cool. All right, so step one is you're scrolling in your niche. You got a fresh account, you're figuring out a format. What's next?

• 11:02Speaker 01

  First, definitely don't rush that phase. You don't want to post content on a brand-new account in the first, I'd say, week. I used to say two days, three days, but like a week, because you don't want the algorithm thinking you're a bot. You want them thinking this guy is a human and we want to push his content out there when the time comes. So for the first week, I would not post any videos. And when you do post your first video, only post like one a day. If you're gonna post multiple, spread them out a few hours, at least like three, four hours, especially for new accounts. So I just do one a day, then you have time to iterate on content. And you want to keep that account in good standing.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  You don't want any algorithms thinking you're doing like some bot behavior, so you also want to post manually. I've run a social media scheduling tool and I tell people, do not use my tool for the new accounts. You want a good, like a good standing account, which means you want to do everything, I guess, by the book, like a human would do it. At least for the first like bit until your account's warmed up. And then after that, after you've warmed up the account, you've waited a week and you post your first content. Really, it's all just about testing new pieces of content. I think something important, which I mentioned in the guide, is obviously you're doing this to get views to your business. So you don't want to just make content for max views.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  You want to make content that's highly relevant to what you're promoting. And that's where some people will be like, I have 100K views, but I only got two signups, which is very common for like low-effort videos. Because usually they don't have either a call-to-action in the video, or they're not like pinned comment is directly, "Go download this app for this result," and it's related to the reel. And also the main caption, like it has to be telling people to go download it and what it's called, or use it, or the website link. Otherwise, like no one's gonna care, they're gonna scroll to the next reel. So you have to kind of spam it in their face. But even if it, but you don't have to put it in the video, like some people, they make ads. That's like the biggest mistake for making organic content.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  It should not look like an ad. If it looks like an ad, they're gonna scroll, the algorithm's gonna give it 20 views, and that's that. You might as well have not made the content.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  And yeah, I mean, like, after you've found your content or a piece of content, you post it. If it works and you get 10,000 views first try, 100,000 views, well, I guess just keep doing that. But usually, that's not the case. Usually, people end up having to post 30 videos before they see something like do well. And that's if they're making changes and iterations to improve and test new angles on each video, which most people don't, which is where they get stuck. And I think that's another pitfall, is making the same video over and over again, expecting something to change. Well, when usually like it doesn't, I guess. Do you have any questions on that?

• 14:12Greg Isenberg?

  Um, I just question, have you ever, you know, have you ever used ManyChat? Because I'm just thinking about, you know,

• 14:22Greg Isenberg?

  yes, I can create a video and at the end, I could be like, download my app if you want more of this.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:28Greg Isenberg?

  I'm seeing the, this trend around like comment X and I'll send you a link.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, Many, ManyChat's actually is pretty good. I've, I used it before. Before I actually saw any success, like on social media, I was trying it, but I never, I disabled it. And then I realized now, like, actually, I should probably use that now. ManyChat is very good. Yeah, like comment X and then it DMs them a link to the app or something. That's actually, that's actually a really good addition to this that I, I've overlooked for a long time now that I realize it. Yeah, I think that's a huge thing, especially for business to business things or like tools and guides. You could definitely use like tools like ManyChat. Automations are probably a huge addition. If you can get the initial virality, like if you're just doing, um,

• 15:18Speaker 01

  it's probably not as important if you haven't got anything that catches yet, but yeah. Once you get a working system or a working piece of content, it could be huge.

• 15:26Greg Isenberg?

  So, let's take a quick detour for a second. Go to my Instagram, instagram.com/ my name, Greg Eisenberg.

• 15:35Greg Isenberg?

  I'm literally going mini like a little bit viral right now and I don't have that many followers. If you scroll down.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Should we go to reels?

• 15:45Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, go to reels. So this, that last reel, I have many chats and it's like Comment LCA, which is our design agency to get the playbook and the comments aren't loading.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  The comments are broken, but 123 comments.

• 16:01Greg Isenberg?

  That's, that's a good thing. There's so many comments that the comments are broken.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's also very good for the algorithm. Lots of people comment too.

• 16:10Greg Isenberg?

  Exactly. So this has been a light bulb moment for me because I've never thought about Instagram, using Instagram as a funnel. In tech, we think a lot about X, we think a lot about YouTube. But there's just so much thirst for, for software content on IG. And using many vids to like create an actual funnel so that it's not leaky is a, has been a light bulb moment for me.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  So you just started using this like automation? Like you didn't use it any time before?

• 16:44Greg Isenberg?

  Literally, no, never, zero. I've never, I just signed up for an account. I saw that, well, I knew I was gonna chat with you and I was like, I wanna, I wanna basically, this is why I love doing the podcast because it helps me get smarter on subjects. And now I feel like I've got like a really good sense for what IG is and how to create a funnel. But you just have to like go and post.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And now, and you already got the content down at this point. So this is just gonna be like soup, a lot of fuel to your fire because, because as you mentioned too, it's not just the funnel part. Like having people comment is a big part of what I'm trying to do when I make videos. Like that's a piece of what you should make your content for is like people to engage with it. Like if the algorithm sees people commenting, they're gonna push it way further. If they see them watching it twice over, they're gonna push it way further. So that's also a pretty important part, I guess, of making organic content. Recap, I guess, um, I thi- or maybe before we recap, um, for, for anyone who's making

• 17:50Speaker 01

  content, um, and wants to make organic content, I would start for one post a day and then iterate and make it better, or try something new, try different formats every single day until something hits and be patient with that because it might take a month or two, especially if you're doing this for the first time, to see any real results. And even then, you, your results, your views may not convert directly to signups because that's another skill in itself. Um, but if you can get eyeballs, you can ultimately get towards driving people to your business and making money from those eyeballs down the line at some point.

• 18:29Greg Isenberg?

  Totally. Yeah, I think your step, y- y- your first step is basically to get attention in the niche. And then, once you have that, then it's like, okay, I've got this attention. How do I actually get them to the SaaS or mobile app or whatever it is that, you know, I, I've built?

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. Like, the first skill is attention grabbing, getting attention. The second skill is converting that into like, actual people going to your thing. Uh, and, yeah, I mean, that's the most simple recap of it, I guess. Uh, the nitty gritty details on how you do that, um, really do come from just doing it, like, doing what I said, like, going to your account, warming it up, waiting a week, saving content, creating content, and that, the creating content part, like, if you're someone who's new, just use CapCut, it's like the simplest tool ever. Um, I think, like, there's automations for everything, but if you can't do it manually, there's no point of automating it because you're not gonna know what works and what doesn't.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  And then, once you've created like a hundred pieces of content, then maybe like, I don't know, then maybe worry because it's gonna take, it's gonna take a lot of iterations to get the skill to develop a taste of what actually drives attention.

• 19:49Greg Isenberg?

  So if I'm hearing you right, the, the most important thing to do is like, if you're gonna try to AD20 this, is figuring out what is the format? And figuring out the niche and consistently posting. Like, that's really what it comes down to. Like, if you can figure out a format that works in, in a niche and you can consistently do it. So my question is, you know, people might be listening to this and they might be like, "Okay, Greg and Jack really understand social. They're really good at scrolling and able to identify these formats and come up with ideas. I'm not as good as them at that. And I don't want to spend five or 10 years of my life trying to get good at that.

• 20:31Greg Isenberg?

  Is there a way that AI could help you, um, you know, shortcut your way to figuring out the format that works?

• 20:42Speaker 01

  I think, to me, I thi- I think the only ways to shortcut formats are to like, scroll on social media and you don't have to do it that much. But you should like, if you wanna really know like what goes viral, just take 10 minutes a day and be, it doesn't have to be for long. You'll get the hang of it in like a week or two. 10 minutes a day, set a timer, scroll on social media and look like, "Okay, what did well? What is simple? What can I create? Like, what is not that high of effort? Because a lot of the videos out there are like full productions. You don't have to have a full production. And then just like, as I said, like, save those videos and try to recreate them. I know that that's probably not the answer most people want, but I don't think like, at this point, I have been able to successfully use AI tooling

• 21:27Speaker 01

  to help me find those ideas. It's just like, it's not something I feel like is outsourcable yet. But like, there is obviously, once you find one format, you can use that and you can use AI to, to pump out content for that format or help you idea, idea it on it.

• 21:46Greg Isenberg?

  Can we try that just for fun? Can we, for example, take a image of, let's say, your cooking app?

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:55Greg Isenberg?

  The cooking meme page? Let's take an, like, let's take a screenshot of it. Let's pump it into ChatGPT and let's see. Hey, you know, I want 10 ideas based on this. Let's see if it's actually good at it. It's good that you have the screenshot of the homepage, but I think actually showing like.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Oh, the actual app?

• 22:14Greg Isenberg?

  No, the, um, go to, what's it called?

• 22:17Speaker 01

  My Instagram page?

• 22:18Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, the Instagram page. Do Fat. Yeah, like giving one of these, like people who.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, got you.

• 22:26Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  I got you. Like using this format to ID on this format?

• 22:29Greg Isenberg?

  I saw this format. I'm the CEO of Do Fat. It's a food diary app. Um, by the way, I love how we're just doing this live, like.

• 22:39Greg Isenberg?

  Like, we have no idea if this is gonna work or not, but let's, you know, this is dope.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Um, hell, me. What do we want as a result? Like versions of this or like?

• 22:51Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Whole new ideas?

• 22:52Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, what do you think? I think like if I'm, it's like, okay, I, you know, I found a cool format, but I need more ideas. Um, and I want ideas that have a high likelihood of success. So it's like.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Okay, got you.

• 23:06Greg Isenberg?

  I'm the CEO of Do Food Diary App. I found. Yeah, exactly. I found this, I'm just narrating for the people who are listening on audio. I found this video format that gets views, but I want some.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  More.

• 23:22Greg Isenberg?

  Ideas.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Video format ideas that can bring in more views for my, that are related to.

• 23:33Greg Isenberg?

  But I want some more video format ideas that can bring in more views that are related to my food diary app. Let's see what happens.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  And then should like make it low, make the ideas possible to create with low effort? Like in, in a simple video editor or is that, is that too much?

• 23:52Greg Isenberg?

  Let's try it. I mean, I'm, let's just see.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I'm curious too, because this format, I've been, I've been now automa-, I've been working on a system to automate the format. Um, like the two by two grids, like you can automate the images. I've done that. That's, that one is automated. The one like that just showed you. Um, that one is automated. Like I made this with an automated system and I, I'm working on balking it. But like, yeah, I don't know about more ideas. That's what I'm curious to. Because, oh, ten more low effort ideas. This versus that energy levels. So split screen or swipe comparison. How I feel after eating a bagel versus oatmeal with berry?

• 24:32Greg Isenberg?

  That's pretty good.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  That could work, especially slideshows are kinda hot right now.

• 24:36Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  No, that's actually, that's actually pretty solid. I think the hardest part is getting the copyright. Like you, I'd say, um, direct your, direct AI to sound like Gen Z. It's pretty good at it. Use lowercase, like those things kinda make it feel not AI. Foods that secretly drain you. Ooh. That's actually, that's a pretty good, it's not a bad idea.

• 25:00Greg Isenberg?

  Two for two.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Best food diary entries this week. Uh, I mean, it's kind of, it sounds like an ad, but.

• 25:08Greg Isenberg?

  Sounds like an ad.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  But it could be adapted, like you could be like, it could be adapted. It's, it's something, there's something there. Four, relatable bad food mood skits. I don't know what, can I, I don't know even know what it's trying to do. Five, underrated snack ideas that make me feel ten out of ten. Okay, snack ideas like slides or two by two? Okay, that's not bad. Foods I tested for seven days ranked by mood. Uh, that, kind of like an ad, but that could be interesting, like a story, um, type of content style. What I logged today in Doof series.

• 25:48Greg Isenberg?

  Too ad, that's like an ad.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Too much of an ad.

• 25:50Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Like what I ate today, and then you just have at the end like, or like an integration of it. Logging in Doof, that might work, but still not titled like that. Uh, foods that make you smart or dumb. Oh, that could be cool. You could like even show logs in the app of it with the food. Um, food mood equals mood swap. Swap morning pastry. Focus is kind of weird. There's some ideas there. You're right, like it definitely could help you find ideas, especially if you're someone who doesn't know what to post and you're seeing things on your for you page when you're scrolling, but you don't know like how to adapt it. It could help you bridge the gap there, I think. It's obviously not autonomous.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  You have to have some sort of like idea of what's going to work. And I think scrolling for 10 minutes a day for like a week would do that. You'd know like you could train yourself pretty quickly. But yeah, I mean, you're kind of right. This, if I wanted ideas to try new things other than that one format. I mean, this would help like.

• 26:56Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  This would definitely help.

• 26:57Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I think some other tips for people is, you know, you can say like pretend you're Jack Fricks and Jack is amazing at finding formats. And here's what I, you know, I like that he, he, he, he comes up with very simple ideas. He talks like, you know, Gen Z. He isn't, you know, promoting his app all the time. It feels very value add. So you saying pretend like you're, you're a brand or person is very helpful in terms of figuring this out. Yeah.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  I didn't know that. I've, I've honestly not used um, chat GPT for ideation as much as I probably should. But I definitely think people watching this should use this tool because like this, this would save you a lot of time and effort. Even if you're still using social media and like doing what I said, scrolling, this is going to help you get to probably the same place faster.

• 27:55Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 27:59Greg Isenberg?

  Anything else you want to add?

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, I think the best thing if someone is like missing context, they like aren't sure like what to do, just like probably go to the guide. I'm gonna keep saying that because it's like, I can't say everything perfectly, but if you can reread these things and learn like the pitfalls of not warming up your account and, and keeping posting consistently and trying new formats, just like, yeah, read the guide if you're unsure of what to do. Also, like, make sure you warm up your accounts properly. That is very important. If you don't warm up your accounts properly, you're gonna be stuck posting videos to the void. You're getting like, you, you should be able to get hundreds of views per video on a new account if you warmed it up properly. If you're not,

• 28:45Speaker 01

  then something is wrong and you should probably stop posting. But I mean, I think anyone can do this. Like, it's very accessible. It doesn't take much to make content and I'm excited for people to try it and share like what they learned, how they did.

• 28:59Greg Isenberg?

  Amen. Well, appreciate you coming on. I'll include the link to the guide and then maybe I'll write my own notes on it as well in the show notes and include where to find you on social so people can go and follow you. Dude, thanks for, I, by the way, I do agree with you. Like, I think that anyone could do this. Um, it does, you, you know, you, you do have to do it for longer than you expect and, and, um, and you do have to develop like a system. Um, and that takes time, but, um, you know, we get numb to these numbers of like hundreds and thousands

• 29:38Greg Isenberg?

  of views, but like, think of a stadium, right? Like a stadium with 2,000, 3,000, 5,000 people, that's a lot of people. So when you see numbers like hundreds or a few thousands, like, don't be discouraged. Those are real people who might buy your product, who might download your app, and might change your life. So, Jack, thanks again for coming on and I hope you come back on soon.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

• 30:04Greg Isenberg?

  Later.