ERIKA & KIRSTEN TITUS ARE SPINNING OUT (Ft. Erika & Kirsten Titus) | Episode 233

If you’ve ever spun out during a pole dancing class, this episode is for you. Drew is joined by sisters Erika & Kirsten Titus to unpack Erika shaving her head, meeting Rihanna, their dream man, spinning out of control during pole dancing class, a Texas Roadhouse horror story, getting haunted by a blue eyeshadow look, and so much more. Follow Erika: https://www.instagram.com/?hl=en Follow Kirsten: https://www.instagram.com/kirstentitus/?hl=en Follow The Comment Section: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:27Drew Afualo?

  I think it's better if they just acknowledge, like, they know that they're a good-looking person, but it's not really a big part of their personality.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:33Drew Afualo?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:34Speaker 03

  That's literally like body neutrality but for men. You should just know that.

• 1:38Speaker 04

  Hot neutrality.

• 1:45Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your favorite, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guests. Today, we have two iconic, legendary, hilarious sisters, the one, the only, Kirsten and Erica Titus.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  That was a cheerful welcome.

• 2:06Drew Afualo?

  Welcome to the show, ladies.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, we're so happy to be here. Thank you for welcoming us.

• 2:11Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, of course. Anything for y'all, my two local kind. Local kind baddies.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Speaking of local kind baddies.

• 2:17Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  We have some local kind omiage for you.

• 2:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god. This is like some of our friends' favorite snacks. Yay. Oh, my gosh, chocolate-covered pineapple gummy bears. For me and not you. Yeah. Oh, I know an eight oh eight stamp when I see a bitch.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  I know. I wish we knew that the whole crew was gonna be here, because then we would have brought.

• 2:35Drew Afualo?

  No, they don't deserve it. Only me. It's okay. Only me. It's okay, just for me. Thank you, guys. Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited about this. And I also love Island Princess. I've had that before.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  Oh, yay.

• 2:46Drew Afualo?

  Look at me. It's tea, period.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  It's literally from Mama Titus, though, even more from us, though. She was like, oh, my gosh, you have to give these to Drew.

• 2:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, your mom loves me, too?

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:55Drew Afualo?

  Oh, god, what about your brother? Does your brother love me?

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Yes, of course.

• 2:58Drew Afualo?

  What about your dad?

• 2:59Speaker 03

  My dad doesn't.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  I was like, he doesn't go online, but I'm sure he did.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  But I'm sure he did. Now that you mention it, I've actually never thought about that collab.

• 3:07Drew Afualo?

  Let's get dad caught up. Let's get dad caught up.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:10Drew Afualo?

  On my lore.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  I don't even think our dad knows that we're here right now.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  No, he definitely doesn't.

• 3:14Drew Afualo?

  My dad's the same. He's kind of one, he just kind of knows what I tell him.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:18Drew Afualo?

  Outside of that, he's cool.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 3:20Drew Afualo?

  He doesn't care otherwise, but I'm excited to have you both here.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  We're so excited.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  We've all, we've been moots for years.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  We have.

• 3:27Drew Afualo?

  We have been. We have been mutuals for years. We've been trying to meet up, and I'm glad to finally have you both.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 3:32Drew Afualo?

  I, I want to talk about, like, lore first, just for those, the, the two people that may be unfamiliar. For how you guys got on TikTok in the first place.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:42Drew Afualo?

  Like, let's, whichever order you guys pick.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  I think it started with her. She, she paved the way, so you, you, you would tell your story first.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  Well, actually, so Erica was always a little bit, had a little bit of TikTok following going on.

• 3:58Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Like, in high school, how many, like, I don't know. I don't, I don't really know.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  I think every high school, because it was, like, really popping off during, when I was in high school. So I think everybody just kind of had followers on TikTok, but like, not a lot.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  So she was the OG TikToker, and also she was known for being aesthetic, so that was like her thing.

• 4:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Okay, so let's start there. So I, so that was, that was it. But I was always telling her, like, girl, like, you kind of have a following. I was like, you gotta post more. I was like, come on, do something. And I had an iPhone six. I was like, my phone can't even download TikTok. My phone can't even download TikTok.

• 4:24Drew Afualo?

  I have this brick. It doesn't even work.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  I have this brick, sixteen gigabytes.

• 4:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  TikTok, that's the whole thing.

• 4:29Drew Afualo?

  You said my story's just full constantly.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  When I tried to do an Instagram dot com, or Instagram the app, I had to go on Instagram dot com. That's how I logged in.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  She would take photos on my phone.

• 4:36Drew Afualo?

  On Safari.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, on Safari.

• 4:38Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Anyway, but I finally, my phone broke, the iPhone six broke, and then I had to get an iPhone X, as you do, right? Because, huge jump, because that's how old my phone was.

• 4:47Drew Afualo?

  You have to, yeah.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  Right? And then I was like, oh, my god, I can download TikTok. So I download TikTok and I'm like, whoa, there's so many things on this app. Oh. Although, my following did start with a man, though, Drew.

• 4:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  It started with a man.

• 5:01Drew Afualo?

  Bummer.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  It did. It did.

• 5:02Drew Afualo?

  Oh, damn.

• 5:03Speaker 04

  It did.

• 5:04Drew Afualo?

  Like a man in your life?

• 5:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 5:08Drew Afualo?

  Just a man?

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Just a man. Just a random guy.

• 5:10Drew Afualo?

  Worse.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  Bad part.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  So basically, I saw this guy on TikTok and I was like, whoa, he's like, really cute. And so I made a TikTok about him, just about how cute he was, and then he saw the TikTok and he commented on it. And then a bunch of people wanted us to date, and then that's literally how it happened.

• 5:32Drew Afualo?

  Damn, and it, I'm assuming, didn't work out.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  You know, me, like, me?

• 5:39Drew Afualo?

  We can blame him. He's not here.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's not here. We can blame him. Sure, why not? It's his fault, sure.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:45Drew Afualo?

  I deem it so.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, but then you kept making your own content.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, even after the fact.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, because I was like, oh, my gosh, people aren't interested?

• 5:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  I was like, I'm just gonna make so many videos. And then I started making a ton of videos, and then in videos with Erica, too, and I feel like that's what really launched the TikTok career.

• 6:02Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  But I also feel like Erica, aside from that, has very much made her own content and paved her own way, which I think is.

• 6:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you, you both have very different arcs, I think, on TikTok, which I think is beautiful. It's like me and my sister.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 6:15Drew Afualo?

  Very similar. My sister, my sister started making content, too, after me, but I, I, I was kind of similar to you in that I was, like, encouraging her to do it.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:22Drew Afualo?

  At the same time I was doing, like, doing it, because I was like, dude, you're just as funny, like, you can do the same stuff, and like, if you just start doing it. And then I did it for a while, and then she's like, okay, fine. But hers is very different from mine, so I think that's a beautiful thing between the two of you. What about you, Erica, when you started?

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Um, well, nepotism.

• 6:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. That's what my sister called it, too.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  No, that's literally what it is, though. I'm like, I.

• 6:43Drew Afualo?

  It's a beautiful thing. White people have it. Let's take it, too.

• 6:47Drew Afualo?

  We can do it, too.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  We can, exactly. So she paved the way, she, with her, with her man on TikTok, and that, and that worked out, despite the fact that it didn't, but it did.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  Honestly, it worked out. I'm like.

• 6:58Drew Afualo?

  Worked out in the best way.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  I'm not mad. I'm like.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  Literally in the best way.

• 7:01Drew Afualo?

  You're all wins.

• 7:02Speaker 04

  It's all wins.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  But she was on TikTok first, and we were actually going to school together. Uh, we did a year of college together. So we were in school together, and then she was like, you need to hop on TikTok, and I was like, I'm kind of like in my first year of college. Like, I'm kind of not really, uh, I don't have time for this.

• 7:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I can't do that right now.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  But, but then I realized you can post literally anything on TikTok. And then I was like, whoa, I cry every day. I was crying genuinely every day. And then I was, no, literally, and then I was like, you know what does well? Crying online. Well, actually, I didn't even know that at the time. So then I just started posting videos. Because I was like, exactly. I was like, I'm miserable. Let me tell everybody. So then I started posting a lot of videos crying. Um, and I think people were just like, damn, this girl cries literally every day. And so then it was just like, they'd check in to be like, did she cry today? And I literally would. So then.

• 7:51Drew Afualo?

  Just by happenstance, it was working out.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Exactly. I mean, that's what being in Utah will do to you when you're from Hawaii. So.

• 7:57Drew Afualo?

  Shit, I'll tell you what.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  No, that transition was, um, very difficult, so. Naturally, I was crying every day, but then, um, Kirsten was putting me in her videos a lot, which was so helpful, so nepotism. She was like hopping my videos.

• 8:09Drew Afualo?

  Why not?

• 8:09Speaker 04

  I loved it. I was like, cry a little.

• 8:11Drew Afualo?

  Me, too. I did the same thing. I was like, you might as well.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 8:14Drew Afualo?

  Let's. What I eat, the whole team eats. That's how I feel.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Let's be players.

• 8:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's be team players, yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Exactly. Um, but then I was like, wait, this is a dancing app. Let me do a little TikTok dance.

• 8:26Drew Afualo?

  You do love a good dance.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Let me, I do, but I wish I was like an actual dancer, and I wish I, I should actually take dancing classes, because I think I would really enjoy it.

• 8:32Drew Afualo?

  But you're also, I think, better than you're giving yourself credit for.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  That's what I know.

• 8:36Drew Afualo?

  I've watched many of your dancing videos.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  I think I can dance as well as, like, any Filipino can naturally.

• 8:41Drew Afualo?

  Which is better than the average person, I would say. Just like singing.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  And thank you.

• 8:45Drew Afualo?

  Filipinos love to sing and can sing really well.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  And I can't sing or dance.

• 8:48Drew Afualo?

  Me either. Well, I can dance, kind of. I have rhythm, but I can't sing. And a lot of times when people can sing really well, I can't.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  No, neither can we.

• 8:55Drew Afualo?

  God gave me funny, and that's it. He said, that's all you get. Send her out.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  But he, like, set the bar so high, he was like, sorry.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  He's like, you can distribute your talents, or you can, like, really boost this one button.

• 9:05Drew Afualo?

  Too much.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  But then I was like, you know what would be crazy? If I combined the two things and did them at the same time. So then it was a little bit of dancing, and then a little bit of crying, and then a little bit at the same time.

• 9:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and now look at you.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, and now I guess I do makeup.

• 9:21Drew Afualo?

  And now, yeah, you're doing makeup, you're shaving your head on the internet.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  I am. I'm doing all of it.

• 9:25Drew Afualo?

  I would love to talk about your process through that journey, because you guys, you've also been very supportive. I've seen all, all of your content about it. And I thought it was really beautiful that you did it publicly.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 9:34Drew Afualo?

  But I'd like to know your thought process about it. Like, what made you want to do it online?

• 9:38Speaker 03

  Um.

• 9:38Drew Afualo?

  Do it at all and do it online.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  So I think just being online was starting to give me a lot of anxiety. I thought that it was weird, because in the beginning, obviously, when you first start posting, it feels very unnatural and it's weird.

• 9:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Um, but then you get into the groove and then it's normal. But then I was starting to, like, get out of the groove again, where I was genuinely so anxious about whatever I would post, because I just felt like, I, like, I think I just completely lost, like, my own self-confidence a little bit. Where I just felt really, like, unsure about, I just didn't feel funny, was the main thing. Because I was like, I don't really care about what I look like. Well, I actually do, that's a lie. Hold on, I just lied to you. I definitely care about what I look like. But on top of that, what hurt more was I was like, oh, everybody thinks that I'm not funny, and that's worse.

• 10:17Drew Afualo?

  I, I agree with that.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  No, seriously.

• 10:19Drew Afualo?

  That's far worse to me than, than looks.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I was doing so much beauty content that I felt like people were more just interested in that than my personality, and then I was like, oh, my god. Nobody knows that I used to be funny. I used to cry and dance online, guys, remember that? But, um, genuinely, so I just felt really lost in, like, what I wanted to do online anymore, and I was like, I just feel so concerned about what everybody else is telling me, what I should, like, post. Or I just feel very concerned about what people think about what I post. And then it was just starting to, like, I just stopped posting often, at all, because I was like, I just feel miserable every single time I post. Um, and then I went down this rabbit hole of women shaving their heads, literally one night. Like, I was literally in bed, it was like one or two a.m. It was the middle of the night. And I saw one girl's video of shaving her head and literally I saw a light enter her eyes like after she shaved her head.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  And then this whole rabbit hole um was just so inspiring and encouraging. And also like shaving your head isn't even something new, like black women have been shaving their heads.

• 11:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Um, but to me it was, it was new. Cause I was like, I don't know anybody, I think I knew one girl in high school that shaved her head and also we were friends and she was awesome. So I was like, awesome people shave their heads.

• 11:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 11:22Speaker 03

  Um, but I think I also just needed a like hard reset for myself because you know how I sometimes I have this feeling where I'm like, I feel like I can't change because I feel too set in the way that I am. Where I can't change because I won't even let myself change. Cause I'm like, this is just who I am now.

• 11:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  But I was like, if I do a hard reset and I shave my head and I just try everything new, then then I can do everything new. So, um, I didn't really think about it for that long. Cause everybody was like, I like made a few videos on TikTok being like, this is something that I'm thinking about potentially doing. And then people were like, hey, girl, don't do it. You're gonna look so ugly. And I was like, but that's what's so exciting about it. And I was like, I'm not gonna look ugly, but but I won't.

• 11:59Drew Afualo?

  No, not at all. Your face is far too beautiful for it to look ugly.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 12:02Drew Afualo?

  You both have very beautiful faces.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  And right back at you.

• 12:05Drew Afualo?

  That is just the plain truth.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you so much.

• 12:07Drew Afualo?

  That's why if anyone can handle a bald head, it's you.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 12:10Drew Afualo?

  So, let me tell you, you look great with a bald head.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  I'm getting shy. Thank you.

• 12:15Drew Afualo?

  Your hair's at the cutest length right now. I love how it looks right now.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. It's that little interesting where I'm like, I don't know how to style it. So I'm like, I'm trying new things. Thank you. But that's also so fun about having like your head shaved and just growing it out and going through every single phases. You just get to see like every, like new bit of yourself. It's weird. It's like everything just feels completely brand new because it is. Um, but I, a lot of people were like, ah, don't shave your head. But then a lot of people were like, you should shave it. But that was the beauty is I got to decide what to do. So I only thought about it for like a week before I did it. Like I knew I was gonna, because either it was, I was gonna do it in a week or I was gonna think about it until I just decided I didn't want to do it. Exactly. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna think about it. And then I actually waited until my mom went on a trip.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Because not that, well, not that she was against it. I think in the beginning she was not against like the fact that I don't think she was like, no, you're gonna look ugly or whatever. But I think she was more so like, are you gonna handle it?

• 13:06Drew Afualo?

  The rash decision of it. She was probably like, let's think about it a little bit longer, just in case you hate it more.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. And she's like, you used to cry every day online. Like, can you handle this? So she's like, are you gonna be?

• 13:17Drew Afualo?

  Your mom knowing you.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  No, seriously.

• 13:19Drew Afualo?

  Be careful.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. And she was right. But um, she went on her little trip and then I decided to shave it like the day after Christmas. I was like, ooh, let me be bald.

• 13:27Drew Afualo?

  Merry Christmas.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Merry Christmas.

• 13:29Drew Afualo?

  Happy new year bald head.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, seriously. Um, so I called her on the phone. She was like, oh my God, you're bald. But everybody was really supportive, including my grandma. Who we were talking about off camera for a bit, who I love very much.

• 13:42Drew Afualo?

  Your grandma's cracking me up.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  No, she's a funny gal. But when I shave my head, because she's more like, she really loves makeup.

• 13:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  And she loves to look pretty.

• 13:50Drew Afualo?

  She's like a glam girl.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  She's a glam girl for sure.

• 13:52Drew Afualo?

  And it's like generational kind of glam.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 13:55Drew Afualo?

  Women should be dressed nice, look nice, presentable all the time.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Very much that.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  Though, but she really didn't raise any of her daughters like that. Cause her mom is not like that at all.

• 14:03Drew Afualo?

  How she feels.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  I think so. I think so.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  She likes to look good.

• 14:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  Cause I think it goes every other. It kind of skipped me. I'm like, I'm like halfway. Cause Erica and my grandma are like exactly the same. I kind of like my mom.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  To dress up.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  But then, but then sometimes I get anxious. So I'm like, Erica, just tell me what to do.

• 14:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Just tell me what to do. I think part of it comes with having taste too. Cause they both have such good taste. Like maybe if I had better taste, like I would desire, anyway, sorry, I'm going off.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  You're all good. You have taste for sure. Also, by the way.

• 14:29Drew Afualo?

  Of course you do.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  I like to taste your outfit.

• 14:32Drew Afualo?

  You were saying your grandma uh was supportive of your bald head.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, she was. So I saw her in person and she was so sweet. She was like, oh my God, beautiful. I was like, thank you, girl.

• 14:44Drew Afualo?

  It's cause your face. That's why she's like, well, thank God I gave, I have beautiful grandchildren. They can handle a bald head.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Thank you very much to grandma and to you. But I think mainly she was like, she, I was like, she better be supportive. She's like, she's already bald. Better be nice.

• 14:57Drew Afualo?

  Your grandma's like, what am I gonna do about it?

• 14:58Speaker 03

  No, exactly. Can't put it back on. Mm-hmm. But yeah.

• 15:01Drew Afualo?

  And how has it been since then? How have you, how have you fared since shaving your head?

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Um, I actually think it did exactly kind of what I was hoping. I think I care a lot less about just like what I look like just generally in everyday life. Cause it was so weird. It was like even in my everyday life, like I didn't want to go to the grocery store without makeup. I was like, what is wrong with me? Like this is like not healthy.

• 15:19Drew Afualo?

  I see what you mean.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. But now, but the bald really, I was like, well, we are at ground zero. Like we are starting from the very beginning, like infant hair. Like I have, like from the literal.

• 15:28Drew Afualo?

  I'm giving infant. I'm giving newborn, I'm giving preemie.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  I literally was giving infant giving, no.

• 15:33Drew Afualo?

  I'm giving preemie.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  No, seriously. So um, I mean, it was a hard reset. And then, yeah, I feel like I just got to kind of rework my brain a bit. And I feel like it had to be that way because if I didn't just do something very drastic, I felt like I would have never uh gotten over anything.

• 15:48Drew Afualo?

  That's why I think it was so successful online because I, that's why I wanted to compliment you on it. And obviously you supporting her as her sister and like being there and also while you shaved your head and everything, I think is beautiful. Your sisterhood reminds me a lot of me and my sister, which I love. Um, but I think it's very powerful for women to do things like that. Especially to be vulnerable about feelings. Like, like I'm feeling like I'm pulling a lot of stock about what I look like from the internet and I want to be able to get rid of that. So this is like an intensely vulnerable thing that you decided to put online. I think that's a beautiful thing and very brave and very courageous. The two of you, I feel like are really hard on yourselves in a lot of ways, but you are both very brave. Like the way that especially with Kirsten, you're,

• 16:27Drew Afualo?

  when you're talking a lot about kind of how the internet has affected your ability, like, you know, existing online is very hard to be perceived by hundreds of people. You guys both being very vulnerable about your feelings and about what you're going through in spite of having a platform is brave and courageous. And women need to see more, more things like that. More, I guess, like honest feelings in earnest, right? Like you guys are both being very, very honest. I think that's beautiful and powerful.

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 16:53Drew Afualo?

  And I think it's like, yeah, I think.

• 16:54Speaker 04

  I'm gonna cry. I'm like, hold on. I'm like, thank God you're recording this.

• 16:59Drew Afualo?

  You're gonna go back and rewatch it again?

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:01Drew Afualo?

  In case you need a re-up. But it's very true. And I, I, I feel, I think that's why I feel very drawn to the two of you just content wise. Cause that's something that I'm trying to help women with all the time. Is like being more authentically true to who you are. But in a way that's not formed by the opinions of others online. Like it's, it's, it, and I think I've said this before too, a lot of times, if people could be a lot more honest about how the internet makes them feel, uh, the internet might be a more enjoyable place to exist. Because even saying things like, I'm, I'm drawing a lot of, like insecurity from this that I didn't have before. Cause even someone like myself, uh, as soon as I got this platform, I got into therapy. Uh, which I needed intensely. And I didn't realize how much I was gonna need it as the longer I did it. But,

• 17:47Drew Afualo?

  um, one thing I talked about extensively in therapy is how like I had body neutrality well into my twenties, which is very rare. So I really drew no power or worth from what I looked like, especially my body. But then once I started doing this, I started thinking about it, which I had never done before. I'm like, the internet gave me something or in essence, I guess, took something away from me. And that was something I was struggling with too. So I've talked about how like, I think when you're more honest about the feeling and then you talk about it, you can confront it, process it, and most importantly, let it go. So even when you talk about um ED struggles, I know you've had a lot of conversations about that too. Stuff like that is so important to hear, like authentically and how it feels and how it affects you, especially because everybody's on TikTok.

• 18:29Drew Afualo?

  Everybody's watching TikTok constantly. Everybody's constantly following people that don't look like them or, uh, consuming content from people who look like nothing like them. So I think the two of you existing the way you do is so beautiful. And I think you guys should remember that.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  I really appreciate that.

• 18:44Drew Afualo?

  Content. But I, I do want to know too, like what's one of the coolest things you guys have been able to do because of this? As sisters, because you've done a lot of really cool things together. But what's one of the coolest things you guys would say?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Off the top of our heads, it's always meeting Rihanna.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh, genuinely?

• 19:01Drew Afualo?

  Well, obviously it's meeting Rihanna.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  No, like I was fully dissociating. No, it was crazy. No, like literally she shook my hand. I was like, I am literally, I can't hear or see right now.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  But I'm seeing you in so clear right now.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  And it was pregnant Rihanna too.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  It was pregnant Rihanna.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. So that was like her at her ultimate womanhood.

• 19:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Wow, she's creating life right now.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Yes, literally while she was making life.

• 19:21Speaker 04

  While she was making life.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  There in the making of life.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  No, literally.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Life and making art.

• 19:26Drew Afualo?

  You're creating three lives right now. That's so amazing. I think that's wonderful. What about your family? I feel like you guys are very family oriented. What's the coolest thing you've been able to do with family or for family? Because of the internet?

• 19:38Speaker 03

  I think just like now we can go on trips together. Cause like we never, also being in, in how about you're so far from everything?

• 19:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Trips are super expensive. Like they're super, super expensive. And um, also our parents are a bit older now. And so I think they're actually getting closer to retirement age. So they have more time, which is nice. But now we can finally go on trips together. I think which has been nice.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  And the house has AC now.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  It does have AC.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  We did that.

• 20:01Drew Afualo?

  That. You know why you need that. Yeah, as soon as that check comes in, hey, guess what? Air conditioning for the house.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Putting a vent here, an event here.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Heater, no. Hardwood floor.

• 20:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, and it has hardwood floor.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Hardwood floor now.

• 20:14Drew Afualo?

  Perfect. I'm, I'm gonna pivot back to dancing only because it's a perfect, I know you do a lot of K-pop stuff. You guys love K-pop.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Oh, well, I, I like K-pop, but she loves K-pop.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  She loves K-pop.

• 20:28Drew Afualo?

  I am, I, I, that's why I'm like, I need to key with my girls about K-pop.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 20:32Drew Afualo?

  Or K-dramas or Chinese dramas. I've just started venturing.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  I'm trying to get into Chinese dramas, but please tell me what you've been getting into.

• 20:39Drew Afualo?

  I just started watching Pursuit of Jade.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, my mom's watching Pursuit of Jade.

• 20:45Drew Afualo?

  Me and your mom were like this, tell your mom to hit me up.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  That one, that one is Chinese, right?

• 20:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's Chinese.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Okay, got it. That's what she's been saying. Okay, I gotta get into it.

• 20:52Drew Afualo?

  I started watching it.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Truthfully, I have not been as tapped into K-pop recently, just, I don't know why. I think we've also just been, I've been a little bit more locked in.

• 21:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  In my, like, personal life and it just like with work and stuff.

• 21:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  But still love K-pop. Um, there is, oh, my gosh, like, what do you want to talk about?

• 21:10Drew Afualo?

  Well, I just started, I just started venturing because I randomly watched the BTS documentary.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.

• 21:16Drew Afualo?

  I knew nothing at all. So I had no idea these men have the power of an emperor.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  They do.

• 21:21Drew Afualo?

  I could not believe, like, how famous these men are. I was like, gee, also how many there are of them. I was like,

• 21:27Speaker 03

  There are.

• 21:28Drew Afualo?

  Five, six, seven, eight. Okay, seven or eight, something like that. I watched that documentary, so then I started listening to their music, because I was like, sure, why not? Like, I mean, might as well.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 21:37Drew Afualo?

  And it, it is crazy insane. Like, the music is, is all over the place, but I love it.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  It's the performance aspect of it to me. That's just so appealing.

• 21:46Drew Afualo?

  The dancing and the, the drip is insane. Like, the way they dress and the way they dance is actually, it's crazy. It's moving me. I was like, hey.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  It is.

• 21:55Drew Afualo?

  It's working on me.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Honestly, I think more than anything, like, what, K-pop, like, it's the, it's the community, because everybody is so locked into it. Like, K-pop fans, like, at a concert, like, everybody is there. Like, and the light stick culture of it all, like, it is, everybody is there with a plan. It's super fun.

• 22:11Drew Afualo?

  And I'm like, I love, I love a good fangirl.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 22:14Drew Afualo?

  I love fangirls. I was a fangirl. I was a big Jonas Brothers girl.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  Yes, I relate to you because I had, I was a One Direction fangirl.

• 22:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh, really? I loved them too. I was like, older at the time that One Direction became a thing, but I loved One Direction.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 22:26Drew Afualo?

  I was like, seamless transition.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Totally. But you were writing fanfiction, right?

• 22:29Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah. I wrote fanfiction about Jonas. You wrote about One Direction?

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:33Drew Afualo?

  I was a hairy girl, personally.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, okay, okay.

• 22:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but I think I was just picking anyone with the longest hair. I was like, I'm a big fangirl fan.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  I also loved Zayn, but

• 22:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  So that's what originally drew me into the group. Sorry, not me going in. But it drew me into the group because I saw a picture of Zayn and I was like, but that was

• 22:51Drew Afualo?

  What's this about?

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Exactly. But that was my best friend's, um, favorite, and so she was like, well, obviously I'm gonna marry him, so you pick someone else because we can't marry the same person. I was like, you're right. And, you know, I don't think you understand, like, the severity of how insane she was about it. Like, because she genuinely thought that she was going to marry them. Like, genuine, our dad was concerned.

• 23:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Because I think, what did you say to dad one time? Because you were talking to dad about Liam Payne and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I was like, telling her, I was like, well, dad, because I know I'm gonna marry Liam. And he was like, you mean, you hope you marry Liam? And I said, no, I know.

• 23:20Drew Afualo?

  No, girl. That's not what I mean.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  And later he told Erica, he was like, I think I did something wrong with Kirsten because she knows she's gonna marry Liam Payne. And I'm like, and you know, he was right.

• 23:30Drew Afualo?

  It's, it's funny, because when I was young, young, I loved, uh, My Chemical Romance, like, which is

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Oh, that was our brother's favorite.

• 23:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that, yeah, my sister was a Gerard Way fan because she's a lesbian and that makes sense. But I was, I was in love with the guitarist. His name was Ray Toro.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Oh, uh huh.

• 23:47Drew Afualo?

  Crazy. He was thirty-five when I was ten. And I, with him, I felt so like, that's my man.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  No, exactly.

• 23:53Drew Afualo?

  I was so, like, convinced, but then when I liked the Jonas Brothers, I was kind of like, well, yeah, obviously he'd love me and I guess we'll see. Like, I was very like, we'll see if I like him. What if I meet him and I hate him?

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

• 24:03Drew Afualo?

  That's kind of how I would talk to my mom.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  You already had a better perspective.

• 24:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, I was very like, well, I mean, yeah, obviously he's gonna like me, but like, what if I don't like him?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  And that's what dating is all about, right?

• 24:11Drew Afualo?

  That's the perspective I'm trying to give other women.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  No, it should be, it's like, do you like?

• 24:15Drew Afualo?

  I'm always on the front foot.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  How old are you at this point?

• 24:17Drew Afualo?

  I was probably, when I loved the Jonas Brothers, I was eleven, twelve.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Wow, so you had two more years of perspective. Yeah. Lot of growth.

• 24:25Drew Afualo?

  I literally was very like, yeah, I mean, it's gonna be hard for him to not fall in love with me, but I guess, like, we'll see.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  No, exactly. It was a matter of if.

• 24:33Drew Afualo?

  You know, just in case.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  He looks busy.

• 24:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he looks busy and I'm busy.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Unavailable, perhaps. Yeah, I'm busy. I'm emotionally available, but is he?

• 24:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  You're like, I'm gonna start eighth grade, the work pile is gonna, like,

• 24:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, we'll see if our schedules align.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:47Drew Afualo?

  And I, I think the Jonas Brothers thing was so intense, that's what made me write the fanfiction, obviously.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  Uh, and then obviously when One Direction came out, I remember when One Direction started, like, coming across my desk. I was like, I don't have time for this. Like, I remember thinking, like, I can't get into another group.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  That's what she said about K-pop. That's what happens to you with K-pop, is I was like, I'm seeing the obsession, and I was like, and I've been through this before.

• 25:09Drew Afualo?

  I also felt that way about K-pop, so I get it.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  That's fair. No, the thing is, okay, so for me, like, because One Direction missed me. It went completely over my head. Like, I got it because she was obsessed and I was really little. But as I got older, because a lot of my friends are obsessed with One Direction, but I, like, didn't know if I even liked boys. Like, and truthfully, I'm still not sure, Drew. Like, I gotta be so honest. But like, K-pop was the first time where I was like, wait, I find them attractive. Oh, but they're, they're so beautiful.

• 25:31Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I'm answering some questions now for myself. I love it.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, yes, because they're very, like, they're pretty.

• 25:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they are.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Like, they're so pretty. And so I think that's what appealed to me, because One Direction, they're pretty. Zayn Malik is a beautiful

• 25:41Drew Afualo?

  Is very pretty.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Beautiful boy.

• 25:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  But I was just like

• 25:45Drew Afualo?

  Well, who's your favorite K-pop group, then? Because I've recently gotten into eighties.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 25:50Drew Afualo?

  Because I really, I really fuck with that song, Bad.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Oh, is it? She's so bad.

• 25:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I showed my sister, my sister was like, this is kind of awesome. Well, first she said, everyone in this group looks like lesbians, I'm gonna have to look them up. And I'm like, yeah, you should. Like, they're, they're all very beautiful men, I, I, I would assume. But the song is speaking to me.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  No, it is.

• 26:06Drew Afualo?

  And Chase Infinity being, like, fanfictioning her way into that music video. She inspires me. I love Chase.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  She's so pretty.

• 26:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she's great. She's, and she's wonderful. I was like, I follow her on Instagram, so that's why I was like, let me look into this.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Oh, you said, oh.

• 26:18Drew Afualo?

  And then I fucked with the song.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  No, it's good. They make good music. We, um, I took them to the, uh, Coachella set because we saw them at Coachella, because I was in the eighties. Because they're gonna perform bouncy and I need to see them perform bouncy. So,

• 26:31Speaker 03

  um, wait, first of all, who's your, um, who's your bias?

• 26:33Drew Afualo?

  I don't know any of their names.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Oh, that's okay. You have so much time.

• 26:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, I, I'm so new. I'm a new eighteen-y.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  That, you're, no, exactly. And that's the beauty in K-pop is you have all the time to get into it. Um, I switched between Son and Gu Young.

• 26:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so Son's the one with the black hair.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  He's the one in the front that's always, the, the, yeah, yeah.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  My sister said that move makes her feel creepy. Like, she feels like she must be perverted when she watches them do it.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. You know, I have to watch a few more performances, I think, because my mom's really into Bad as well. Like, she, she's really into eighties.

• 27:06Drew Afualo?

  Oh, period.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  I think for me, honestly, uh, all roads do lead back to BTS. Like, we just recently went to their concert because they were like the first group that I got really, really into and obsessed with. Um, and then they, you know, they had their, uh, military service, so then they were doing their own thing for a bit. And then I was like, okay, well, something has to fill the void, so I was just dabbling everywhere. Um, but, like, BTS, like, all roads really lead back to them.

• 27:26Drew Afualo?

  They all lead back to them. What's your bias in BTS?

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Um, so I used to be a Taekwok bias, so Taeyong and Jungkook, but, uh, these days, I'm like, I'm just so sorry. Like, my heart is really in it with Jungkook. Like, I, I, I'm, like, I love Taeyong as well, and I love all of them, but there's just something about, like, a, like, a beautiful man with, like, with, like, some tattoos and some piercings. I'm like,

• 27:47Speaker 03

  gimme.

• 27:48Drew Afualo?

  Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I recently started, my, my man really loves JJK, and I recently was like, let me start watching JJK.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Oh, all the characters are so hot.

• 27:58Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's why, like, he was telling me, he goes, I really love that anime, and that's one of the only ones where they only have fan service for men. So just they're slutting out their men constantly.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Always.

• 28:07Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, well, now I have to get into it.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  Oh, who's your JJK bias? No, genuinely.

• 28:14Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, trying to think, um, not, okay, Gojo's the one with the silver hair, the spiky hair.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 28:21Drew Afualo?

  Okay, his friend looks like my man. The one that they have, like, the little breakup.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, yes, yes.

• 28:27Drew Afualo?

  Was I, Gi, Gito?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Oh, ghetto, yes.

• 28:30Drew Afualo?

  Ghetto, yeah. Him, I, I would say him, because he kind of looks like my man.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  No, oh, oh, yes, honestly, yes. The hair, it's the long hair.

• 28:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yes, the long hair. You see, I have, I have a theme going.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  No, it's a good theme.

• 28:40Drew Afualo?

  I love, I love long hair on men.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, no, but I totally get the vibe. No, the long, the long hair, yes. I, I, sorry, I'm like, whoa.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  But yeah, no, no, I hear you.

• 28:51Drew Afualo?

  I also just recently watched my very first K-drama. I've, I've never in my life watched anything like that. Do you guys like K-dramas?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  I do. I have to stop watching them, though, because it sets an extremely unrealistic, like, standard for me that I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, it starts, like, it's fun for, like, the first two I watch, but by the eighth, I'm like, I'm actually starting to just feel horrible.

• 29:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah. This makes me feel bad about my real life.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  No, seriously.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  I watched, um, oh, fuck, what was it called? It was called, it's on Hulu. It was called, like, The Crown Prince or something like that. It just came across my, my desk and I was like, shit, fuck it, why not?

• 29:24Speaker 03

  What enticed you?

• 29:25Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, what's, what's really moving me towards it is I'm writing a fiction book right now, because I'm writing, like, a new fiction series.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 29:32Drew Afualo?

  And it's inspired by, like, uh, Polynesian, like, lore, like, mythological legend and lore. And so that's kind of where I'm writing from, but I, because of that, I want to watch other pieces of media in different cultures.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  That makes sense, yeah.

• 29:44Drew Afualo?

  Because I, what I'm writing for is, like, based in culture, but it's not, obviously, like, extremely accurate to it. So I want to watch different kinds of meat, like, movies, TV shows, listen to different music, uh, in different languages and different cultures, because I think that they, uh, express love in a very different way and a very, because there's no, like, sex in, like, the Korean dramas, Chinese dramas, but there's a lot of intimacy, like, very close, very, like, staring heavy. Oh, man, they love to stare.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  They, and I love it.

• 30:15Drew Afualo?

  They'll have about two minutes of staring.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  And I'm in there, too.

• 30:18Drew Afualo?

  And I love it. Honestly, they have this very, like, sexual tension, but there's no actual payoff until, like, way at the end.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Episode eight is when they kiss.

• 30:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  The first kiss is episode eight.

• 30:28Drew Afualo?

  You have to work really hard to get that first kiss. So I, I really, I find that inspiring in writing. So I was like, I'm gonna watch other stuff and kind of sample around, because American media all kind of feels the same when it comes to, like, especially romance, but I like to watch. I want to watch things with different depictions of romance or, like, love, I should say, like, between friends, like, sisters, brothers, like,

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:49Drew Afualo?

  That's why with JJK, I know they have a lot of, like, brother love, like, very intense brother love. So I was like, I'm gonna watch that too and get inspired. Why not? Since we're on the subject, um, both of you, single?

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• 32:47Speaker 03

  Well, you know-

• 32:48Drew Afualo?

  We're talking about romance. Oh, are you single?

• 32:49Speaker 03

  I mean, I thought I paused because I was waiting for her to answer, but-

• 32:52Drew Afualo?

  You are?

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Like, I'm so obviously single. It's actually painful. I'm like, I'm a little too publicly single. Yes, so-

• 32:59Drew Afualo?

  Okay, Erica-

• 33:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:00Drew Afualo?

  Dream man, dream partner. What do they, what do they look, sound, and feel like? They, well, they look like Jungkook. We know that.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, so it starts there.

• 33:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so where, what do they feel like? What does it feel like to you?

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Um, oh, whoa. I don't know. Um, okay, okay. Well, first of all, a ground zero, a bare minimum, obviously, they have to be super extremely nice to me, the nicest person ever, because I'm so sensitive. Like, they genuinely have to be the most understanding and empathetic person ever. So let's start there. Aside from, you know, generally having kindness and empathy, um, I would, I really like funny. I like funny. I don't like funnier than me, but I do like, like, we can be about even, you know? And if they are funnier than me, they just can't be annoying about it. Like, I don't want to hear about how funny you are.

• 33:47Drew Afualo?

  I feel that.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, don't tell me that you're so funny.

• 33:49Drew Afualo?

  That's, that's real. I've told, I've told my man before, I'm like, between the two of us, who do you think's funnier? And then he was like-

• 33:54Speaker 03

  And the answer should always be-

• 33:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and he was like, I mean, probably, I would, I would say you. And I was like, you're right, that's a good answer, because it's the right one. And then he was like, I don't think I'm not funny, I just think you're more funny to more people. And I was like, period.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  That's like, almost like a PR-trained dancer. Like, you literally hit every note, yeah.

• 34:11Drew Afualo?

  I taught him that, but he didn't. Set it on his own. But that's exactly my point. That's why I'm like, so I get what you mean. You need someone who's funny.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Exactly. I should think he's funny. I shouldn't be hearing about how funny he is from him, but, um, like, I should recognize-

• 34:23Drew Afualo?

  From him or others.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 34:24Drew Afualo?

  No, I should just know that.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Exactly. Um, but I really do like funny. I also feel like I'm pretty introverted, so I know a lot of people are like, you need an extrovert, and I'm like, I think I don't. I'm like, because I really, oh, I hate when, a lot of people like to go out, like, in, in, like, Hawaii, a lot of people like to, they go out to the club, and they like to, they like to hit the Chinatown Club, and some party.

• 34:43Drew Afualo?

  Mai Tais.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, Mai Tais.

• 34:46Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah, girl, I've been to Mai Tais, you kidding?

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Or I eat some Moanis.

• 34:49Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, that's right, because it's a Jewish.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Moanis is no longer there, so I guess Mai Tais is a new place, but, um, but yeah, I'm just like, I'd rather kind of stay, like, let's stay in and let's watch some JJK and get that male fan service. Like, that Drew date.

• 35:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you trying to do that with me, or what?

• 35:04Speaker 03

  No, exactly.

• 35:04Drew Afualo?

  I see what you mean.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. But I do like, kind of, also, I, this is interesting. Well, okay, K-pop is interesting because it is very, like, I'd like to think that's their personality, but obviously, it's also very curated as well. Like, because I'm like, we don't know them personally, you know? But, um, they always make them act a little bit cute, which I love. Because I love when boys are cute. I like when they're, I don't like hot. No, no, no. Like, well, it's just crazy, because Jungkook is like the hottest man ever, but, but it's the duality of it all.

• 35:31Drew Afualo?

  I see what you mean. Yeah, like, cute is a good thing. Like, I should find you cute, too.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Oh, no, exactly.

• 35:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, in addition to.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. And I think in real life, I gravitate towards just more, like, warm personality, like, warm, cute, because, like, hot, like, persona, I feel sick. I'm like, I need you to, like, get away from me.

• 35:49Drew Afualo?

  It's kind of like when men, um, I, I always say I, I find it cringe and weird when, um, men act sexy. Like, I see what you mean.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  No, yeah, it makes me feel odd.

• 35:58Drew Afualo?

  It gives me an ick, too, a very deep ick.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  Really? But I feel like your man is pretty stereotypically-

• 36:03Drew Afualo?

  That's a good point. Like, hot and sexy.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. So how did you overcome that? I was gonna say, because Erica can tell. Everything, everything icks me. I'm like, actually, every quality I want in a man is actually a woman, so I'm very confused.

• 36:14Drew Afualo?

  So I think I'm answering my own question.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:16Drew Afualo?

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• 37:24Speaker 03

  He happens to be hot.

• 37:25Drew Afualo?

  He's, he's very quiet and very, like, reserved. I was just telling this to my friend the other day, because she didn't know this about him, but he, like, loves animals. And when I say, like, loves, I mean, like, for real loves, like, studies them and, like, wanted to be a veterinarian. Well, he wanted to be a paleontologist for a long time, because he loves dinosaurs, but he, like, loves bugs and he loves, um, sea creatures.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 37:47Drew Afualo?

  So it's like, there are things about him that, when you look at him, like, you would never, when you look at my man, you would never think he loves JJK.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  See, it's the duality.

• 37:54Drew Afualo?

  You see what I mean? Like, so, that's why, like, the presentation of hot is fine with me.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 37:59Drew Afualo?

  It's like, acting like you know that. It's like that comment when people, like, I hate when a man knows. I hate when he knows. As far as, like, I think it's better if they just acknowledge, like, they know that they're a good-looking person, but it's not really a big part of their personality.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. Got it. That's literally like body neutrality, but for men. Like, you should just know that, like, that shouldn't be your thing.

• 38:18Drew Afualo?

  Hot neutrality, yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  I'm hot, I don't, I don't- I don't think too much about it, like, I exist in it, but it's just happening.

• 38:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but it's just kind of like, I know. Like, it's like, if he knows, that's fine. That's all that they should be doing. It's just acknowledging and nothing else.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Moving on.

• 38:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but it's like, acting a certain way, I think. So I get what you mean, because that's why I find, um, like, when I went to the male strip club for the first time, and it was a horrifying haunted house experience, um, that was horrifying to me, because I don't like when men act sexy. Like, I don't enjoy that.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Was it a Magic Mike show?

• 38:52Drew Afualo?

  It wasn't Magic Mike. I couldn't do that. Like, with, with the whole of bringing on stage thing, I already had that experience, and it was horrifying.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 39:00Drew Afualo?

  You had that experience at Magic Mike?

• 39:02Speaker 03

  I tried to go to Magic Mike. I, I walked out after 10 minutes.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  I was like, it got too real. It's like, I thought it was gonna be funny, because it's like, oh, like, funny, we're at Magic Mike, male strippers, and then I got there and I was like, oh, my God, this is real.

• 39:13Drew Afualo?

  You said it's too real?

• 39:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, because then they're stripping. Oh, my God, they're like, gonna be in my face. I was like, I'm genuinely so scared.

• 39:19Drew Afualo?

  I can't do that.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm out, I'm out, I'm out. We all left. There was three of us, all left. We had to show the, um, what is it, the group with the, the masks?

• 39:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, Jabberwocky's.

• 39:31Drew Afualo?

  It's dead. That's honestly, we were, when I was just in Vegas, we were joking about, we should go see the Jabberwocky's. I'll do awesome.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  I actually would love to see the Jabberwocky's. Glad to buy two tickets. That's how it goes. The night starts at Magic Mike and it ends at the Jabberwocky's.

• 39:44Drew Afualo?

  That's my kind of night. That's funny, too, because my man feels the same way. About like he he's like afraid to go to like the strip club and stuff and makes him uncomfortable. Yeah, like when he was in college, um, he was, he went to UNLV for a little bit. And this guy was like, okay, get ready, we're gonna go to the strip club. Then we're gonna go to another club, then we're gonna go to a party. And then my man said, he was like, I can't, I left my ID at home. And then they're like, you just got here, you don't have your ID, he's like, no, and he was like, I just didn't wanna go. And he was like, but I didn't wanna say like, I don't wanna go, so I like, and like, he seemed fired up, so I didn't wanna be mean. He's like, but I was like, ah, I can't, and he was like, cuz I just, I don't want to. And I was like, that's my fucking man.

• 40:29Drew Afualo?

  It's a, it's a beautiful thing.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel like for my dream man, I used to like really quiet guys. Because I'm so loud, actually, but then I feel like I'm randomly shy, like if you notice me on this couch, I'm not talking much. I don't know what happens, it's like, I don't know what it is, it's like unless I'm directly talked to, I just, I just be saying nothing.

• 40:46Drew Afualo?

  I think too, that's also very common for people. Even like actors and actresses that I've met before, like, some of them are really, really shy, like they, they just. They feel more themselves when they're playing a character, like they, they, that they don't feel shy about. But it's like when they're sitting and like being themselves, that makes them feel a little bit shy. Which is very strange. You would think it's the opposite, but it's not always the case.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Exactly, actually, side spiel before I go into my dream man, literally, one time, I, so I was going to therapy when I was in college, right? And then I was going to therapy and then I was going to group therapy, cuz that's actually something that you do in ED therapies, you have like a individual therapist and like a group therapy. Anyway, it was the same therapist for both, and then she was telling me in individual therapy, she was like, you never talk in therapy. She was like.

• 41:30Drew Afualo?

  Like in group therapy?

• 41:31Speaker 04

  She was like, I think you like have like some very like interesting things to say and like, just like input yourself.

• 41:36Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  And I literally told her, I was like, you have to like ask me a question directly, I was like, cuz I'm not just gonna start talking. I was like, if you target me, I'll say something, and she was like, okay, fine.

• 41:44Drew Afualo?

  You gotta corner me.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, so, so I, she targets me in the, in the, in the group therapy, and then I start talking. And then afterwards in the next therapy, she was like, Kirsten, who was that out there? She was like, you're making everyone laugh, she's like, did you know you're that funny? I was like, I did.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  I told you.

• 42:03Drew Afualo?

  You just got a real stoic vibe.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  I don't even know, I'm just shy, genuinely just shy.

• 42:09Drew Afualo?

  Between the two of you, who would you say is more shy?

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Probably Eric. But Erica's better in that, like.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Uh, uh, if it's like new people, she's a lot better at being extroverted in like a new group setting. But I think once I'm like comfortable, and I'm like very comfortable with you, you are so.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  A really good on camera personality. Like really good.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, no, but I feel like she, I don't know, I'm not PR trained.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, but I would say, like, overall, she can hang out with more people in a group setting, and I just feel like I stick to like two people I know. And then we, and we chop it up.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we're both very shy in like a classroom environment. Unless directly spoken to.

• 42:59Drew Afualo?

  I was just curious cuz your older, younger sister dynamic, like my sister is older, obviously, but she was the shy one, and I wasn't. So I may, I was very like, come on, days, let's go, like I was very like involving her in everything, I was like taking her to everything, I was like. No, she's gonna play too, she's gonna play with us. Cuz I was bossy from the jump, so I was very like, I was very bossy, I was very opinionated, I was very like, this is what's gonna happen next, and you're gonna involve my sister. Did you guys grow up like that too?

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Um, actually, her and my brother, they're so good, they're like really great older siblings to have, because genuinely, they made sure I was included in everything, even though we have a huge age gap. Like me and my brother, eight years apart, but.

• 43:36Drew Afualo?

  My younger brother's nine years younger than me.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we have like the inverse of your guys' family.

• 43:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's the other way.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like I remember when I was in high school, like, I had summer school and they would, they're, they're just doing summer by themselves, but they were like trying to go hiking. And my mom was like, I should just go, like, or you guys can go, and they were like, no, we have to wait till she finishes summer school, so she can go with us. But they just like include me in everything.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  Sort of, but the one, what she can't remember though is like most of what I would get in trouble when I was younger was not including her.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Oh, also, big age gap, it's like five years.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Ten, she was like five, I was like, no.

• 44:10Drew Afualo?

  So she's literally baby, she can't do anything, she's baby.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  She always talks about that, she's like, you were so boring for so long.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  For so, and she was so.

• 44:19Drew Afualo?

  Just a lump, couldn't do anything. You're hurry up, grow up, I wanna have a sister.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  I remember like, when I was like five, I wanted a sister, and then I got one, and then I was like, dang it, well, I guess I can't wait until she's five. And then I was ten, and I was like, dang it. Now I can't wait till she's ten, I'm fifteen, I'm like, when will she ever be fifteen? But it finally happened, it was actually around the time, I think by the time she was like sixteen, I was like, wait, it's happening.

• 44:44Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna ask, when around the time, when was the time or age that you guys started getting closer, like for real?

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Uh, oh, when our brother left for college, I think, cuz then we're like, okay, I guess like you're here and that's all we have, I guess. Yeah, I was like, oh, we don't really talk, but, no, we would talk, but we would just fight all the time, we still fight all the time, but like back then, we were like, fight all the time. But, um, our brother left for college and then we just got really close, and then we went to college together, so then.

• 45:08Drew Afualo?

  At BYU, right? Yeah, my, my dad's whole side of the family is Mormon, like my dad grew up Mormon.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  I was gonna ask about that.

• 45:16Drew Afualo?

  My dad's whole side of the family grew up Mormon, uh, my dad grew up Mormon, my dad was a Jack Mormon for a long time, and then, and now he's no longer Mormon, but. He, uh, like I've been to Utah many, many, many times, like, oh, like I have a ton of family in St. George.

• 45:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the actual like, uh, spawn of Satan that I went to prom with, uh, was from St. George, Utah. Yeah, and that's why he was, he was a big freak weirdo. But like, but I do know that it's not indicative of all Mormons, uh, a lot of Samhain people are Mormons, so I grew up with a lot of Mormons too. Um, so I get, I know you guys have a lot of friends who are Mormon too. So I know you guys talk about how you're like, yeah, that shit sucks, but like I have friends who are awesome.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  That's like the very nuanced part of talking about it online. Is because like, it's, we have so many family and friends who are still Mormon, who like are really great people, and they don't even believe of the negative sides of the church. But then also, there are like a lot of negative.

• 46:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so I get it, and a lot of Polynesian people are Mormons.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  They colonized like all of.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  And then you see that circle, like even at BYU, like you see just the vibes and you're like, this is why it is, the way that it is. Just like it's, that's just constantly pushed into their brains, like, especially being in St. George, like that's probably all he knew.

• 46:35Drew Afualo?

  He was big freak weirdo, he was one of those where I was like, yeah, you're awful and I hate you. And I, I send my ire towards him, every time I have negative energy, I put it towards that guy.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  It's gotta go somewhere.

• 46:51Drew Afualo?

  I also, uh, like kind of a hard transition, but not, um, I wrote on one of Erica's videos, that's why we were talking about dream man for a second. Because you were talking about what you were struggling with, with dating, and I was like, we gotta get on the couch and talk about this. Yeah, well, now we're on the couch, and Kirsten, Kirsten Dianvian was like, I know I'm like low key inviting myself, but can I come too?

• 47:15Speaker 03

  This is where she takes the initiative.

• 47:19Drew Afualo?

  That's honestly why I laughed when I read your DM, because I was like, you saw my comment on Erica's and you came, you're so me. I was like, it's the same way with me and my sister.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  I was like, oh, so she invited Erica, so basically me.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  I was like, wait, and let me sit right next to her.

• 47:35Drew Afualo?

  And I'm happy you did, honestly, I, that's such a, that's why I was like, yes, of course, both of you can come.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  No, cuz literally nothing would get done if she wasn't here, no, it's, it's nepotism, nepotism got me.

• 47:47Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so I wanna talk, before we get into fun facts, I do wanna talk about the video that you had posted, that I commented on. Cuz you were talking, we were talking about, you were talking about dating.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Oh, yes.

• 47:56Drew Afualo?

  And your struggle with dating, and it's just, and it's getting close to people, I think is what the genesis of it was, kind of opening up a little bit.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like low key, I'm like, maybe I like shouldn't be doing this online, I'm like, I'm a little too publicly embarrassingly single.

• 48:10Drew Afualo?

  And it's not embarrassing though. And that's, well, that's why I'm telling you what you're talking about, I think is a more common feeling than you would think.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 48:19Drew Afualo?

  So like, it's powerful to see other people talk about it.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 48:22Drew Afualo?

  Especially other women.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Thank you, I needed to hear that. Because I'm always like, oh my god, I ruined my life, like I ruined my own chances at ever getting a boyfriend, cuz they're gonna look at my videos and be like, this girl's crazy.

• 48:30Drew Afualo?

  No, I don't think so, I think, well, but you can never say the wrong thing to the right person.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  That's what I agree with.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  She always says that, actually, yeah.

• 48:37Drew Afualo?

  It's true, it's very true, I feel like, and you're, I, I kind of moved that way in my sisterhood too, with my sister. Cuz my sister was with someone for a very long time and then was single for the first time in like forever. Um, so I talked with her a lot about dating, all my friends, I talked to them about dating and stuff, so it's very, it's a more common feeling than you would think.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  I'm like, please therapize me, tell me what caught your, your ear when you watched that video, like, what?

• 49:02Drew Afualo?

  I think it's the fact that you were talking a lot about your own fears with opening up, like your own fears with like wanting to connect. Which is a very common thing I get asked about a lot. Which is like, how do I date in a way that's like safe, right, that makes me feel safe, like, no matter what happens? But I've told people a lot, like unfortunately, but maybe fortunately, love doesn't come without vulnerability, you can't have one without the other. So it's, it's really horrifying and scary, but the most courageous thing you can do is continue to pursue love even after you've been. Wronged, like after you've been uh like pushed aside or forgotten about in whatever way you feel. I think it's like the most courageous thing to do is to keep going and to keep trying.

• 49:46Drew Afualo?

  And I've said this metaphor before because I saw it somewhere once and it really stuck with me, but it's like. When a bird lands on a branch, it doesn't worry if the branch is strong enough to hold it. It knows that even if it does break, it can fly away. So that's what you have to.

• 50:01Drew Afualo?

  So that's how you that right. So you have to trust and believe that you're strong enough to fly. Not trust that they're strong enough to hold you. Because the strong, the the right person is always gonna be strong enough to hold you. So you, the two of you both, I think, talk about this a lot, which is like feeling like you're a lot, like. Whether it's your emotions, your humor, like your personality, which is me too, like that's why like. My book's called Loud, obviously, but it it's literally because it's associated with me, like I'm, I am a lot, that is true. I I I am a lot, I'm what you would call, I think, a high-risk, high-reward. Right? So it's like when it, when it is hard to be with me in the sense that it requires more than I think. Men are willing to give sometimes, but it's worth it. Like, so it's like, am I too much or are they just not strong enough to hold me?

• 50:46Speaker 04

  That's a great point.

• 50:47Drew Afualo?

  Right. So it's like, it's, I think you're always, the way you approach dating should be more on the front foot, which is like. Kind of like what I was joking about with Nick Jonas, right? Which is like. Even at eleven years old, I was like, I mean, obviously, he's gonna love me, that's a no-brainer. Um, but whether, and I think that's how you should approach dating, which is like, it's also a litmus, litmus test for them, you don't even know if you're gonna like them. But women almost always are like, what if they don't like me? What if they, what if they watch my videos and they think I'm weird or crazy? And it's like, honestly, I think if they watched your videos, they would see one's very specific side of you, but getting to know you in person is a very different experience. And honestly, I think the right man would be so drawn to you, they wouldn't give a fuck.

• 51:28Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said you can never say the wrong thing to the right person. So like, the most insane. Crazy things I've ever said, like, my man's like, and that's my fucking wife.

• 51:39Drew Afualo?

  That's my wife. So I I'm, I'm very hopeful for you.

• 51:46Drew Afualo?

  For you and and for you and your journey that is not disclosed. I'm also happy for you.

• 51:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're just kind of figuring it out. I think you both are, but I think it's beautiful. I do wanna know too, what's like. A dream of yours, outside of relationships, what's a dream of yours with this platform, with what you guys are doing, how you guys are moving? Do you have any dreams? This is the place you manifest it.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  Oh, I feel like, I mean, we we kind of touched on this earlier, but I feel like especially like with my journey. Going and getting treatment for my eating disorder and then coming back online, I feel like that is something that I definitely wanna share more online. Just because I feel like a lot of people aren't talking about it, and it's kind of like what you're saying, a lot of women are shrinking their literal bodies to fit into the mold of what. The world wants them to see, and that makes me genuinely so sad. And I just want to be able to advocate for people who are going through that, but then also at the same time, it's kind of something that I'm going through right now. And so it's, it's like kind of hard sometimes because it's like, of course I wanna talk about how my body has changed online. But then that also requires me to talk about how my body has changed.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  Cause in some ways, like the best thing for me is to just absolutely say nothing about it, which is why I haven't touched on it a whole lot of my content. But then also at the same time, I feel like it's so important to bring that to light, and so I think it's kind of like. That's the battle that I'm currently trying to fight is like.

• 53:06Drew Afualo?

  I'm sure you could strike a balance. I think you've been doing a great job. Doing what feels safe, but not being too, too much, like too, I would say forthcoming with it.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Any tips on that? Cause I feel like you have like a good balance of like your own boundaries with yourself and also what you're gonna post online.

• 53:21Drew Afualo?

  And with fans, you guys watch me hitting fans a few times when they're being mean or weird to me. Um, I would say the mentality that you have, I think is the right way to approach it, which is like when it. Moves me enough that I feel like I can speak on it in a safe. Manner, like with guardrails around it, um, then I will. And if I don't feel like it's a safe environment. For me to do so, then I'm not going to. And I think forgiving yourself either way. Is a really key part of it, because sometimes when you do it, you're like, fuck, I probably shouldn't have done that, like I probably, oh, I regret doing that. But there's always, I think, you know, there's always a risk either way, whether you decide to share or not. But I would just say to share what feels most comfortable to you, and I think that's a beautiful thing. I think also too, you've talked a lot about how like.

• 54:06Drew Afualo?

  Online, how you've shared a lot, and then now you're like, okay, maybe I'll just share what I feel comfortable with. I also think that's a very smart way to do content, because sometimes when you, I think in the beginning, it feels awesome and you're like. Oh, my gosh, people are loving me and they're loving this and this is awesome and I wanna be able to share. And then one awful thing happens and you're like, I never wanna share.

• 54:32Drew Afualo?

  Never gonna let you in ever again. And then you feel like what you were saying earlier, right before you shaved your head, which is like. I feel like I, it's too much now, like it's like I can't share anything without feeling so afraid and feeling like knives are all around me. That's also why I had to take my break too, like a couple of years ago. Because it just got to a point, and I'm not even really that forthcoming about anything personal, but like. It just got to a point where I was like, you guys, I never let anyone dictate how I feel about myself. And now it's starting to like really get in there.

• 55:07Drew Afualo?

  Never felt that way in my life, and now you are not taking that from me. That's literally what I was thinking. I was like, I need to step away, cause this is not good for me.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  It's good that you recognize that, though. Cause so many people don't.

• 55:21Drew Afualo?

  You either turn evil or you go insane publicly. Relate to this too, but like, since I've started doing this, I've told my therapist many times, I'm like, I can relate now. To things like when I would see women like in early like tabloids, like celebrities, when just tabloids were a thing. When women would be like, they would go insane and they would do crazy things in public to paparazzi or whatever. I'm like, I get it now. To exist online as a woman. A non-white woman, it's so hard. Like everyone, it they, it's, you're just being punished constantly. And it's like, I chose to do this, and I'm, I don't know if you guys have this feeling too, but sometimes I would have this feeling where I'm like, I chose to do this.

• 56:03Drew Afualo?

  So this kind of feels like it's my fault, like it's like, I really don't have any room to be upset because I chose to do this. And like, uh, this is kind of like my thing now, and then it would feel kind of like, well, now it feels ungrateful.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Part of like my depression and anxiety, is I was like, oh, my gosh, like I'm freaking out because I got everything I wanted. And now I'm quote-unquote miserable.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  So grateful.

• 56:35Drew Afualo?

  But I really mean it, I am grateful.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  Stop, and which makes the spiral worse. Cause it's like, yeah, it's the guilt, and I feel like the shame too. It's just like any mental illness, the guilt and shame will always get you.

• 56:51Drew Afualo?

  And I even told my, I said this to The Rock, actually, when I was talking to him. Because he, believe it or not, asked me for advice on how to deal with.

• 57:02Drew Afualo?

  How do you deal with that? Like he asked me like, cause I just feel like the internet is so. Uh, quick to turn now, like they're, they're very quick to react, they're very quick to get angry. And he was like asking me how I deal with it, but I told him, I was like, well, control, I have to learn how to let go, like there's only so much I can do. If someone's made up their mind, they've made up their mind, that kind of thing, I have to work on that. And I was like, but something my therapist told me too was that she said, cause I had told her, I just feel like I should be used to it by now. I feel like.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Because of that. I was like, I was supposed to get better at this, and it's worse now? I'm like, I'm somehow worse?

• 57:39Speaker 04

  They get used to it. And I think though, I also am a naturally sensitive person.

• 57:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I'm like, and I was telling my therapist, I feel so angry because I feel like I should be used to it by now. And I'm not, it feels like it gets worse with time, which I don't understand, I don't, I don't get why that happens. And then she told me, well, because it's like people saying awful things or things that are not true to you. They're saying about you, so naturally that's gonna make you feel terrible. Uh, cause you're not a bad person, like, so she would say like, that's all be actually proof that you're not a bad person, cause it bothers you. But she said, um, honestly, this sounds counterproductive, but I hope you never get to the point where it doesn't bother you. Because that would be a whole different issue entirely. So she was like, it it should bother you because it's not true and it's mean.

• 58:27Drew Afualo?

  And it's uh, not indicative of who you are, that's not who you believe yourself to be. Um, so it should bother you.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  This is a random tip that actually helped me. It was like, you can read it once, just don't read it twice.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Actually, and I've noticed that, cause the first time I read it, I'm like, you're so stupid. And then, once I go back on the video, I'm checking, I'm like, oh, my god, it has so many likes.

• 58:56Drew Afualo?

  And then you read it again and you're upset.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  Again and again and again.

• 59:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, cause your first reaction's the right one, which is, you're stupid and this isn't true. But then when you go back, you're like, but what if it is true? Or you're reading it and you're like, well, everyone's liking it, so what does that mean?

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Sometimes I feel like I watch videos that aren't funny, and then the third time I watch it, I'm like, this is the funniest video I've seen, but then I always go back to it, and I'm like, this was not that funny. But it's by the third video, I've seen it, I'm like, this is so funny.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  So I'll be looking back and I'm like, why did I like this?

• 59:29Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so the, I just wanna, uh, really quick to taper us off right there. I, I think that's another reason why I feel real connected to y'all in terms of how you post, because I feel. Uh, the same way, I feel like I can tell how you guys are feeling towards the internet too, in a way that's like. I really, really do love the internet because I do, like it's true, I love it, it's given me everything I have today, I feel grateful for it. And at the same time, I hate it.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  I like the people who like me.

• 1:00:02Drew Afualo?

  Don't like me for reasons that are insane and crazy.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I also don't like when I'm trying to share something that I think will help a lot of people, and then people give the counterargument of that.

• 1:00:13Drew Afualo?

  They just see me, it's like the, what do they call it?

• 1:00:17Drew Afualo?

  Bean soup, bean soup.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like a lot of the times it's like I feel like purposefully misunderstood. I'm like, I'm like, but you've said that you like my content and you've been watching it. So I feel like you would know my character enough to know that I wouldn't

• 1:00:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  ever want to do something like horrible.

• 1:00:29Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  But then it's so then that's why the switch just is very confusing because it's people in real life don't do that. So then it's like, you know what I mean? Like your friends don't ju- they shouldn't.

• 1:00:37Drew Afualo?

  That's, that's exactly what I've said to my sister, like literally last week I was telling her. Yeah. That, that's how I feel about some of the internet's reactions to things where I'm like, you either never leave your house and have no real life friends, or you're just doing this to, to rage bait me because

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  It's gotta be the latter.

• 1:00:53Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I was like, real people in real life don't act this way, like

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Drew Afualo?

  at all. Like, most people can hold space for like, conversation and discourse about random thing. Like, this is the dumbest fucking shit in the universe, but the summer I turned pretty. That show and my commentary about it, like my bullshit ass commentary about is haunting me bitch like

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  Oh, did some

• 1:01:15Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I said I was team Jeremiah, like before season three, mind you, I swear to God, if you guys bring it to YouTube, I'm gonna get mad all over again. Um, I said it before season three. Once season three came out, he turns into a literal demon from hell in the show. And everyone was like, I just feel like Drew, just like undid everything she's ever done.

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Oh, no, because you were, and it was something that you said.

• 1:01:36Drew Afualo?

  Before that.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't have the perspective of the

• 1:01:39Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, well, it's okay, because these are two fake white boys and like, who cares?

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:01:43Drew Afualo?

  And like, who cares?

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  That part. Yeah. And she's dating brothers.

• 1:01:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  Text when you posted it.

• 1:01:47Drew Afualo?

  Right. I was like, yeah, and also like, who cares?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, no. I, I've learned that though, discourse with TV shows gets crazy. Because a love show is over and you've seen the whole thing, you never know what's gonna happen.

• 1:01:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly. I have to be able to predict. I have to be able to predict all of the endings always and how everybody's feeling always.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  Exactly, which is anxiety.

• 1:02:05Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I also feel like maybe that's kind of the whole fun of like a love triangle show is like, you pick your favorite and then you get to be like, oh, you're team Jacob, that's funny. I'm team Edward, like.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:17Drew Afualo?

  I was like, these people would never have survived when Twilight came out. If TikTok was around when Twilight came out, oh no, that would have been awful.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Were you team Jacob?

• 1:02:25Drew Afualo?

  I was team Jacob.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Me too. I was just because team, I thought he was Polynesian at first and then I was like, he looks like he's from Hawaii.

• 1:02:30Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny? Me too. I joked before, I'm like, if, if there's a brown guy, I'm picking him.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  No, like, I just

• 1:02:35Drew Afualo?

  I was team brown all the time and they were indigenous too. So I was like, yeah, period. Turns out Taylor Lautner is, is a white guy.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't know that. Or he has like distant indigenous roots, is it?

• 1:02:44Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  You know who's really good looking is, um, he plays one of the, um, one of the wolves, but he has really long hair.

• 1:02:51Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  So handsome.

• 1:02:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's, that's tea. I love long hair on a man, especially on a brown one.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, exactly. Cause it's like the culture.

• 1:03:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  It's like, I feel it.

• 1:03:01Drew Afualo?

  And you, and y'all get it because you live in Hawaii.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  No, I can feel the mona.

• 1:03:05Drew Afualo?

  You can feel the mona.

• 1:03:08Drew Afualo?

  Okay, uh, to pivot, I have some fun facts about y'all.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:03:11Drew Afualo?

  Are you ready? Well, you can tell me if they're fun.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:03:13Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so, uh, this first one's about Kirsten. In high school, Kirsten was so obsessed with cashews that you became allergic to them.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Yes, that's actually ED related.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  That's just, oh, that's just classic ED material.

• 1:03:27Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, because basically it's like, um.

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• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Let me think about it. What was happening? I think I was just like restricting my diet a lot. And I think Cashew felt like a safe food because that's what happens when you have an ED. Sorry.

• 1:05:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Bet you didn't expect this.

• 1:05:13Drew Afualo?

  You talk about whatever you Yeah, it's important.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's crazy. How did you find that on the side now?

• 1:05:18Drew Afualo?

  That's Amanda.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:05:20Drew Afualo?

  That's our producer Amanda.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Like, that's deep.

• 1:05:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Deep in the lore.

• 1:05:23Drew Afualo?

  Deep cut.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Um, anyhow, so that's actually also why I'm good at cutting watermelon, like for my fruit videos.

• 1:05:28Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  It's because I cut so many watermelons.

• 1:05:33Drew Afualo?

  Well, if we don't laugh, we'll cry.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, sorry. So that's actually my problem is laughing is my coping mechanism.

• 1:05:38Drew Afualo?

  That's okay.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  You know, genuinely, deep down, I'm sad inside for that girl.

• 1:05:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 1:05:43Drew Afualo?

  But now, now you're here loving her. So that's a good thing.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  Now I'm here loving her.

• 1:05:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's a beautiful thing.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Yes, thank you. So, yeah, Cashew's a safe food of mine. And so I ate so many cashews that I got so constipated. I had to give myself an enema.

• 1:05:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I know what an enema is. You gave it to yourself?

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  To myself. And you're like a kid. Sorry, this is really sad.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Oh my God. No, but yeah.

• 1:06:06Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, okay.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Or just like, okay. No, and I'm like, like, mind you, I'm like five. Well, not actually, I'm not five, but I'm like so little. I didn't even know what was going on. But now as an adult, I'm like, oh my God.

• 1:06:14Drew Afualo?

  You had to give yourself an enema and it worked?

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  It worked. But then, now I can't eat like, I can eat peanuts and I can eat cashews, but if I eat too much, I get constipated.

• 1:06:25Drew Afualo?

  Well, yeah, I mean.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  I can eat like very little peanut butter.

• 1:06:30Drew Afualo?

  Peanut butter's not that great. It's all right.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, whatever.

• 1:06:32Drew Afualo?

  It's all right. You're not missing out.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Makes me really gassy.

• 1:06:34Drew Afualo?

  Don't tell her. You're not more, you're not missing out.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's a happen. But yeah, the doctor was literally like, you ate so many, you now have an aversion.

• 1:06:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  I was like, and I do.

• 1:06:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And, and he said, no more cashews for you.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  No more.

• 1:06:45Drew Afualo?

  And he said, that's okay. I've had enough for a lifetime.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Drew Afualo?

  Okay, we'll move on to hopefully another fun fact.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:06:51Drew Afualo?

  This one will actually be fun. Okay, Erica joined the track team in high school, but hated running. So you did pole vault?

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  Oh, that's exactly true. Yeah. No, I literally hated running and I wasn't good at anything else and I'm not fast. So, but here's the thing, our dad was very much, um, you have to be doing an activity. It could have been anything. Like, they did speech and debate in high school.

• 1:07:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  Because he just wanted us to have like some kind of extracurricular to be into.

• 1:07:12Drew Afualo?

  My parents were the same, yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think it's actually a really good rule to have.

• 1:07:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  To involve yourself in a different community. So

• 1:07:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  I was doing karate like since forever and, um, I was starting to get sick of it because all my friends had quit. And so it was just me and I was, and I was, and I started to lose. I was like, okay, I don't like it anymore. I'm literally losing. What the heck? Cause all the other kids like had hit puberty. Puberty and I hadn't. So now I'm like sparring and I'm getting my ass beat and I'm like, okay, great. Cause we're still, we're not doing weight divisions. We're doing age groups and everyone's fucking bigger than me. Okay. All that. So, uh, he was like, well, if you're, you're gonna quit, you gotta join something else. But by then, um, the good speech and debate coach that they had, um, had moved to a different school. So I was like, I don't really want to do speech and debate if it's not like the same coach that they had.

• 1:07:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  So I was like, oh, what's like a sport that's like, kind of like anybody can do it? And I was like, track and field. Um, I was like, I've got to do something. And so I did pole vault. I was really bad at it, but you know what? I did it and I didn't have to do karate anymore. Um, but you know, I got over the pole occasionally, occasionally.

• 1:08:08Drew Afualo?

  You said I was there, I was participating.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:08:10Drew Afualo?

  Uniform on and everything.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. But by my junior year, I actually went through puberty. Um, so then I grew a bit and then I started doing hurdles. Because I was tall enough to get over them.

• 1:08:19Drew Afualo?

  Just like Bretman.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I was bad at it. Bretman was good. Bretman has talent and I have, um, I just didn't want to do karate anymore.

• 1:08:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I just had a lot of free time. So what are we gonna do with that? You know, I, when I was a senior, no, junior in high school and my sister was a senior and my, my man actually went to our high school. So he was a senior too.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  Oh, what? Really?

• 1:08:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we, we've known each other since high school.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Oh, nice.

• 1:08:43Drew Afualo?

  And we were not high school sweethearts. I have to say that every time.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  We'd actually, I've seen, yeah.

• 1:08:47Drew Afualo?

  Like after college, actually.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Oh, after college. And you guys went to UH2 though?

• 1:08:51Drew Afualo?

  No, no, he went to UNLV for a bit and then he went to APU, which is like

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  But I feel like from what I've seen, I remember watching his, he had been plotting on you, right? Yeah, cause I knew he'd been plotting. I thought you guys met in college. It really seems like you went to your high school.

• 1:09:02Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, I've known him since high school.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  Been plotting.

• 1:09:04Drew Afualo?

  Yes, it, it was one of those things where like, when we look back at it now, it's, it's like funny to look at it now.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:09:11Drew Afualo?

  Um, because I quite literally, it was just me and my sister. We're the only people in our entire high school that did not like want him. Like, and it's because I viscerally hated men even worse than I do now. And like, and then, uh, my sister was a lesbian.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Drew Afualo?

  She just didn't know it yet. And my sister was like, honestly, that's probably how I should have known I was a lesbian because he was the only boy I did not have a crush on in high school. I was like, yuck. But she liked all these other horrible men. Like, my sister always had a crush and it was always on a boy that I was like, what is the matter with you? What is the matter with you? Uh, but when we were in high school together, um, the end of senior year, my mom was like, always like, you have to be in a sport. So like I played volleyball and then I would do soccer and then for spring I did track and field because I was like,

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I don't want to fucking run. And then, uh, my sister was gonna throw.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  Okay, fuck it. I'll throw. And then we joined the throwing team and then Billy actually copied us because we just like, we lettered, it was pretty easy to letter. And then he just copied us and he brought all his friends. So we all threw together on the track and field team.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Like a shock put moment or?

• 1:10:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we did shock put and discus. And I did just well enough to make varsity, to like hang out with my sister and my friends.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  That's more than well enough.

• 1:10:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but other than that, I was like, I'm not doing this sport. I was so bad at discus. I didn't give a fuck. I like, I would throw it into that every time and be like, ugh. Well, and then I would just get off and go talk to my friends.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:10:34Drew Afualo?

  But I was like, I'm just here so my mom doesn't tell me to join something else.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that's what it was.

• 1:10:39Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I don't care about doing well. Don't care about doing well at all. And even like my, my coach would like tell my sister, if your sister just took it seriously, like if she just really locked in. And my sister was like, she's not gonna do that shit. Cause I was too busy talking. Yeah, I'm here to chat. I'm here to gab. I'm a personality hire on this chain. That's what I'm doing here. I'm cracking jokes, girl. That's what I'm doing. Okay, uh, next one, but Kirsten, uh, it says Kirsten once threw up after a pole dancing class because you were spinning so fast.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Well, that's half the story.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, the other half is insane.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  The other half is, are you a fan of Texas Roadhouse?

• 1:11:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  Me too, or so I was.

• 1:11:17Drew Afualo?

  Or so, yeah, before they made you an op.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Yes, no, so we went to Texas Roadhouse, there was like ten of us, and then three of us got food poisoning to the point where we were hospitalized.

• 1:11:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Drew Afualo?

  And you were one of those three?

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  I was one of three, and we all ordered something different, so how weird is that?

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  No, it's like a sanitary issue.

• 1:11:35Drew Afualo?

  It's Texas Roadhouse issue.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  It's like E. coli.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  So, I went to the pole dancing class the day after I went to Texas Roadhouse, mind you, I ate the Texas Roadhouse then the next day as my leftovers, right?

• 1:11:46Drew Afualo?

  So you had two days of Texas Roadhouse?

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, my friend texts me, she's like, I'm sick, I'm like, weird, she was like, I can't go to the pole dancing class, I was like, I'm going, eating my freaking steak, and then...

• 1:11:54Drew Afualo?

  You got carb loading before the pole dancing class?

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, and then, um, and then I start pole dancing, I'm like, oh my god, I'm so sick, and I'm thinking, it's because I'm spinning so fast.

• 1:12:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  So then I start like throwing up in the bathroom, I'm like, wow, just like so nauseous from like pole dancing, and then I got home and I started throwing up blood.

• 1:12:09Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god. Holy fuck. That scary lettuce disease started there.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  Literally, at that Texas Roadhouse. That's ground zero.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  In Orm, Utah.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  That's patient one.

• 1:12:19Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  Went to the hospital.

• 1:12:21Drew Afualo?

  You know, I ate at an Olive Garden in Utah, and I got violent food poisoning.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:12:26Drew Afualo?

  So there's something going on in Utah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  There is.

• 1:12:30Drew Afualo?

  Probably.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Right, because it's like, it's on the utensil or something.

• 1:12:34Drew Afualo?

  It's punishing all the Mormons over there.

• 1:12:37Drew Afualo?

  I'm kidding, I'm kidding, obviously, also, do you guys like Chuckarama?

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  I've never been.

• 1:12:43Drew Afualo?

  It's in Utah, it's a Utah exclusive buffet.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  That's like Erica's worst nightmare.

• 1:12:46Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, is it? It's a buffet, it's like the most mid buffet of your entire life, it's not that great, but I love it.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  No, no sushi.

• 1:12:53Drew Afualo?

  No, there's no, if there is fish there, you should not eat it.

• 1:12:56Speaker 03

  You shouldn't have it, okay.

• 1:12:57Drew Afualo?

  But it's like, it's like, well, it's in Utah, that was the first place I went to a Chuckarama was in Utah. Um, in St. George, Utah specifically, and I was like, this is, I love a good buffet.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Drew Afualo?

  So like, it's a buffet, but it's like the most racist people in the entire universe are there, so that's something you have to keep in mind.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Drew Afualo?

  That being said, the food was awesome.

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:13:16Drew Afualo?

  I fucked with it, I loved it, it was like, I love like diner food, like

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, got it.

• 1:13:21Drew Afualo?

  Old people kind of food, like, the shit that old people would fuck with, I like that.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  Okay, nice.

• 1:13:25Drew Afualo?

  So I'm like, every time someone goes to Utah, I'm like, you should go to Chuckarama.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  Oh, so you like, okay, and you get your money's worth because it's buffet?

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  After the word though, you really get your money's worth.

• 1:13:32Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. It's very mid, it's not like, it's not amazing.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  But that's not what I ever really expect from any, like...

• 1:13:38Drew Afualo?

  Buffet like that.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:13:39Drew Afualo?

  Well, especially not a place called Chuckarama.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you said it, I was like, I was like, have we switched topics? I was like, I don't know if we're talking about food anymore. I was like, I don't know what this is.

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  Have you been to Pizza Pie Cafe?

• 1:13:50Drew Afualo?

  No, I haven't.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  It's just like Chuckarama, or like Cece's Pizza, where it's like unlimited pizzas.

• 1:13:54Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no, no, no, I've never been there.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  Well, I used to bring like Ziploc bags in college, and then I would chuck the pizza in the Ziploc bag.

• 1:13:59Drew Afualo?

  Hey, I paid the money.

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then I would eat it the day after too.

• 1:14:02Drew Afualo?

  That's, well, and good thing you didn't get any, uh, food poisoning.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  And I didn't get food poisoning, and it was only twelve dollars.

• 1:14:07Drew Afualo?

  Unlike Texas Roadhouse, I've never done a pole dancing class, are they fun?

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  They are fun. I was nauseous, but it seems fun.

• 1:14:14Drew Afualo?

  You're, I don't remember. I was too busy thinking about my steak from Texas Roadhouse.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  When you don't throw up, they're fun. Yeah, I would recommend going with friends, only thing is, the back of my legs were so bruised after, because it gets like, you really gotta hold on.

• 1:14:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like banging up against that pole a million times.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  Also, the pole spins.

• 1:14:31Drew Afualo?

  We should go together.

• 1:14:32Speaker 04

  That'll be fun.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  I would love that.

• 1:14:33Drew Afualo?

  I would love to.

• 1:14:34Speaker 03

  It'll be a lot of fun.

• 1:14:34Drew Afualo?

  I just took a workout class with my girlfriend last night, I went to Bar Method.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Oh, did you like Bar?

• 1:14:39Drew Afualo?

  I liked it, I enjoyed myself, honestly, I was like, I haven't taken a workout class in, I don't even know how long, I just go to the regular gym.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:47Drew Afualo?

  So like, what, I'd never in a million years gone like to anything like that, so I did it, and I sweat through my bra, holy shit, I sweat so crazy, and at the end, we stretched a lot, which I loved, and then she turned the lights off, and she was like, let's take some deep breaths, and at the end, she goes, and thank yourself for showing up today, and I was like, you know what, hell yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Drew Afualo?

  You know what, yeah, ladies, I'm loving it, ladies, let's give ourselves a hand.

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  We did it.

• 1:15:11Drew Afualo?

  I really felt so inspired by it, I was like, god, I love being a girl.

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  No, see, a lot of yoga classes, they, I'm like, why are we getting like a motivational speech at them?

• 1:15:18Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  But I love it.

• 1:15:19Drew Afualo?

  And me like tearing up at the end, I was like, wow, I should thank myself for showing up.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Have you seen that TikTok where it's like, when your instructor is like, and remember your why today, but my why is the fifteen dollar cancellation fee?

• 1:15:31Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah, for real, and they would have charged me thirty bucks if I didn't show up, so, that did motivate me to get there.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Exactly, I'm like, no, I'm not paying a cancellation fee.

• 1:15:39Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I loved all the women in there, I'd love that it was an all women class, and then there was a woman teaching it, I loved it.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  No, that's what I like too, and they are like very inspiring, I'm like, wow, love that, I should come here on Sundays.

• 1:15:50Drew Afualo?

  This is beautiful, ladies, I love it, okay, last fun fact about Erica, Erica played Callie on a show called Crown Lake, that used to have posters up in our old studio.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  I'm literally, like, that was, like, in the abyss of my memory, like, that is like peak when my brain wasn't even present, like, but Crown Lake, from what I remember about it, it was actually so much fun, and like, the team was really fun to work with, and they were super fun and kind.

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  Um, same with, because I think they wanted a bunch of like TikTokers to be on the season that I was on, I just looked absolutely insane every episode, because my character had this thing where she always had to have bright blue eyeshadow on, and then they were like, put it on her, put it on the Asian girl.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  I don't think that has anything to do with it, but they're like, put that girl in bright blue eyeshadow.

• 1:16:37Drew Afualo?

  She can do it.

• 1:16:38Speaker 03

  And I had like these, these really thick eyebrows, which were great, but paired with like my like damaged blonde hair, like, it just looked, I just looked insane, it was like thick eyebrows, dark eyebrows, blonde hair, blue eyeshadow, like, no sense of self.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  That's actually one of the biggest fights me and Erica got into, I didn't have a sense of her boundaries just now, now I would be more understanding, but I was like, we were going to a Lakers game, and I was like, Erica, come through.

• 1:17:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  I was like, you just finished your Crown Lake shooting, come to the Lakers game.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  I had blue eyeshadow on, and I was like, I don't want to.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  She was like, I was like, come, come.

• 1:17:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  And my, it's like with, with the team, of like, like managers, like, there are people there that are like, are important.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  Yes, well, so one of her favorite YouTubers is there, and I'm like, your favorite YouTuber's there, go say hi.

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  Oh my god, Drew, it was so bad.

• 1:17:19Speaker 04

  She's like, I'm wearing blue eyeshadow, I was like, just go say hi.

• 1:17:21Drew Afualo?

  Who's the YouTuber?

• 1:17:22Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:17:23Drew Afualo?

  You can bleep it, you can bleep it, I'll bleep it for you.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Okay, no, no, so, and now I've met them since, and I have met them multiple times.

• 1:17:29Speaker 04

  Without blue eyeshadow.

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  Without blue eyeshadow, they have been nicer to me, when I'm not wearing blue eyeshadow.

• 1:17:36Drew Afualo?

  That's funny. You're like, oh, now you want to be nice to me, when I don't have my blue eyeshadow on.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Exactly, it was, um, it was a man.

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  We'll bleep it.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  It was! You have permission to put a photo in, yeah, literally, like, I just looked absolutely insane, like, also, I'm not doing my own makeup, it's like the makeup artist, so she's like, yes, let's put it on, pack it on, so she's packing on the blue eyeshadow, and it's like, also not, it's like turquoise.

• 1:18:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  But, oh, the, the person in question was, um, [BLEEP] as in, uh...

• 1:18:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I see, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  But, I mean, I love him.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  Most random person.

• 1:18:12Drew Afualo?

  That is very random.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  I didn't even know who he was, so I didn't know it was a big deal.

• 1:18:15Drew Afualo?

  Wait.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Yes, because [BLEEP].

• 1:18:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  It's just like a fun group of people, anyway, but he was there, and I was like, I've never met him in person, he was like, you'd be nice, anyway, so.

• 1:18:24Drew Afualo?

  He was nicer to you when you weren't in the blue eyeshadow, that makes sense.

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  Like, not even close, no, no, like, I'm gonna tell you what happened the first time, because we're at this Lakers game, Kirsten is like, no, no, you have to introduce yourself, I'm like, I literally look crazy.

• 1:18:34Speaker 04

  Oh, he's one of your favorite YouTubers?

• 1:18:35Speaker 03

  I was like, no, I was like, no, I literally don't want to.

• 1:18:38Drew Afualo?

  I don't know who a lot of people are either, so it's okay.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  So I was like, who cares?

• 1:18:41Drew Afualo?

  My sister knows who everyone is, and I don't know anyone.

• 1:18:43Speaker 04

  That's her, yeah, actually, no, we switch off, I know about half the internet, she's the other half.

• 1:18:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  But, um, this is literally, I'm gonna pretend that you're me, and then Kirsten is Kirsten, because Kirsten is here, so, um, Kirsten's like, we should say hi, so Kirsten comes up, and then I come up, and I go, hi, and he goes, hi.

• 1:19:04Drew Afualo?

  Cucked for your sister.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  And I said...

• 1:19:06Drew Afualo?

  It's my blue eyeshadow, isn't it?

• 1:19:08Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:19:08Drew Afualo?

  That's why you're treating me that way?

• 1:19:10Speaker 03

  Oh, that's what, no.

• 1:19:10Drew Afualo?

  I fucking knew it, this is why I told you I didn't want to come.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good...

• 1:19:13Drew Afualo?

  I started a fight with my sister in front of them.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  No, genuinely, and it was so bad.

• 1:19:16Drew Afualo?

  I'm making awkward for everyone, you don't want to be rude to me? Okay, I'm gonna blow it up then.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  It was so bad, that her manager was even like, wow, he just grazed right past you. He was thrown up publicly, I was so embarrassed.

• 1:19:28Drew Afualo?

  He said, I can't talk to this woman, she has blue eyeshadow, and I can't handle it, I can't be doing that.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  And ever since I've met him, after, I just have a really bad taste in my mouth, I'm like, oh.

• 1:19:36Drew Afualo?

  And you should, because he's rude.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Drew Afualo?

  I'll say it, he's fucking rude.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  After that happened?

• 1:19:41Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I have.

• 1:19:42Speaker 03

  I, I don't, I wasn't expecting that.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  And you weren't even wearing blue eyeshadow.

• 1:19:44Drew Afualo?

  And I wasn't wearing blue eyeshadow. I think it's just my general energy.

• 1:19:47Speaker 03

  No, not nicer when you're not wearing blue eyeshadow though, randomly.

• 1:19:50Speaker 04

  You should try wearing blue eyeshadow.

• 1:19:51Drew Afualo?

  I should, next time I see him, I'm going to. I want to see how he treats me.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  But, that was a reality check.

• 1:19:58Drew Afualo?

  Whether it's good or bad, I'm gonna freak out.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  But, good to know that.

• 1:20:02Drew Afualo?

  Well, you know what, I've had quite a few interactions too with, uh, like, I would say more so than anything, and I haven't had a ton of negative interactions, but like, the ones I have had, have been with like content creators.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  It's interesting.

• 1:20:15Drew Afualo?

  They haven't been with like actual celebrities, actual celebrities are not like that, if you can believe it, but...

• 1:20:20Speaker 04

  I feel like they gotta be more, I don't know if it's like the lack of PR training, but I feel like celebrities could be just horrible if they want to do, so I don't know.

• 1:20:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's why, yeah, it's kind of shocking, it's like, I, you would think that they would be more inclined to be rude, but I think, maybe, and also it could just be that they're just fearful, like, everyone's constantly watching them, like, so maybe they're just better trained at it, but like, yeah, the most negative interactions I've ever had have been with like, social people, or reality TV people.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  What's the, like, the rudest interaction?

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 04

  I know you've shared a lot on your podcast, what's one you haven't shared?

• 1:20:49Drew Afualo?

  Um, god, I'm trying to think of like the rudest, like, ever where it like actually pissed me off and made me upset. Well, it was actually, it was one creator who was a reality star and then became a creator, um, but, uh, it was a girl, so I'll say that, I'll just use like she/her pronouns, but she, she met me and my sister, um, who I take like everywhere, I take Dace everywhere with me like a lot of times, so we went to this big dinner, it was like this big branded dinner, and there was like, uh, a lot of content, it was all content creators, but there wasn't that many of us, there was only like maybe twelve of us, and, uh, we were sitting on one side of the table, and she came around to introduce herself to me, and she was like, hey, like, I'm so and so, like, huge fucking fan, blah, blah, blah, I was

• 1:21:33Drew Afualo?

  like, oh, nice to meet you, and I was like, and I always like, I'm like, this is my sister Jason, and I always introduce her, and then, so I said, this is my sister Jason, and she goes, hi, and then she goes, um, oh my god, do you just feel so lucky, to my sister, like, they have had no interaction thus far, she didn't even acknowledge her, that's why I introduced her.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Drew Afualo?

  And then she was like, my sister goes, what do you mean, and she goes, just to be riding your sister's coattails, is that just like the fucking best, like, I always, every time my brother tries to come with me somewhere, I'm always like, you better kiss my feet before you go.

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  Oh, and that's the first interaction?

• 1:22:05Drew Afualo?

  That was the very first interaction with me and her, which I get very angry if you're rude to people who are with me.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  No, because that's different.

• 1:22:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, sister, friends, whoever it is, like, if you're fucking rude to them, like, Jason jokes about this all the time, but she's like, when people are rude to me, I'm always like, guess who's never coming on the comment section?

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  No, and

• 1:22:26Drew Afualo?

  Cause and I take that dead ass like I'm like, yeah, no, never. I don't care how famous you get. And it's funny cause she did that and I was like, I was so irritated, but I was like, you know, it's a brand thing. I don't want to be too rude. So when she said that, my sister didn't even say anything. Cause like, what do you fucking say that? And then I went, it's really nice to meet you.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:46Drew Afualo?

  And then I just turned my back to her. Cause I was like, go to your fucking seat. Fast forward, right to Renaissance, like when we went, I got invited by Sacred, which is now Sacred by the time we didn't know, but it was like, uh, this huge secret thing that we did where we got to go see Renaissance on the, on Beyonce's birthday. Bretman was with me and so was my Alisha. Yeah. And like, we went and it was fucking awesome. It was so, it was such a fun trip, but that girl was there too. I don't know why. She's not in the video. Good luck finding her. Um, but she, she was also in there, I think with someone else. And she came up to us and then only wanted to talk to my sister. Completely different energy. Yeah. Cause she, and she was like, I don't know if you remember me, like to me, to my sister. And my sister goes, no, I remember you.

• 1:23:31Drew Afualo?

  And then she was like, oh, like, yeah, you're just like so amazing. Like completely different energy because shortly after that interaction, she has to come on my show, like two or three times.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:23:41Drew Afualo?

  Obviously I said, no.

• 1:23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:42Drew Afualo?

  And then like this Renaissance show happens, uh, we're kind of brushing her off. Cause I'm like, I don't like you. So get away from me. And then at one point she got so fucked up and she, like her top had broken. So she had put on like the free merch they gave us. And this, she comes up to us later in the day and she's drunk as hell. And she's like, are you guys having the best time? And we're like, yeah, like trying to enjoy the concert. And she was like, me too. I'm like, woo. She starts going like this, pulls up her shirt, flashes us. And I wish I, I'm not making that up. Like I'm, I'm so that I have never been more, what the fuck?

• 1:24:20Drew Afualo?

  Pissed off. I was like, first you're rude as fuck to my sister. Two years later, you flash me bitch, get away from me. Oh my God, I'm going to beat the shit out of you.

• 1:24:30Drew Afualo?

  Like I'm going to beat your ass. Get away from me bitch. Oh my God. She did that. And then be like, woo. Bouncing, I swear to God, puts the shirt down. I, I'm so angry. I look at her, I go, turn around. And then I go, turn around, watch the show. Cause I'm like, don't talk to me. I, and I'm not going to fuck up my relationship with Sacred by freaking out on you.

• 1:24:50Drew Afualo?

  I said, turn around, watch the show. She didn't turn around again.

• 1:24:54Drew Afualo?

  I just said, you better face that weight the rest of the fucking night. I swear to God, I'm pissed. That was probably the worst one.

• 1:25:03Drew Afualo?

  I would say that's probably the worst one I've had.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  All the layers to it.

• 1:25:10Drew Afualo?

  She hit me with a 180. I was so confused. I'm like, gee, she's like, I know what'll fix it.

• 1:25:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. This usually works.

• 1:25:18Drew Afualo?

  I know what'll fix it.

• 1:25:19Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 1:25:20Drew Afualo?

  I'll do something that traumatizes all of us.

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  That is so crazy.

• 1:25:23Drew Afualo?

  So yeah, I've seen that girl's tits and I was very upset about it. I didn't ask to, and she forced me to, and you are never coming on my show bitch. You are never coming on my fucking show. You know who you are. You are not invited.

• 1:25:39Drew Afualo?

  Wait, do you guys want to hear something else? I just remembered right now. You know those stupid ass, like happy five year anniversary things they're doing on TikTok?

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  Did it just pop up?

• 1:25:48Drew Afualo?

  No, that girl just sent me one because she was my mutual.

• 1:25:55Drew Afualo?

  You won literally yesterday. And I was like,

• 1:26:00Drew Afualo?

  you fucking demon.

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  You've seen it all.

• 1:26:03Drew Afualo?

  I don't like you. I don't know what else you could get from our interactions, but you know, some people can't take a hint. Some people can't read a room. Is what it is.

• 1:26:11Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 1:26:12Drew Afualo?

  I'll probably see her again and she'll be like, wow, so good.

• 1:26:17Drew Afualo?

  Remember these?

• 1:26:21Drew Afualo?

  Okay. Well.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Oh my God, that's hilarious.

• 1:26:23Drew Afualo?

  On that note, on that shaking tits note, uh, thank you both for coming on the show.

• 1:26:29Speaker 03

  Oh, we literally had the best time.

• 1:26:31Drew Afualo?

  I fucking adore you both. And I, and I have to say too, like, again, I really do think the two of you have such a strong presence online. And I hope you guys continue to do it. I hope you guys continue to push and do more. Uh, because I think the two of you are some of like our last authentic voices left, honestly. And it's like, it's, it means a lot to me to see women of color, uh, making a lot of content about, you know, dating, about beauty, about things that you love or things that you struggle with. Um, I love women of color. I love when they, I love when they thrive. I love when they win. So I love you both. And I hope you continue on and I'm always here if you need me.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  Thank you. And you've been such a huge inspiration to us as well. Just so you know, I'm like, I feel like you probably are. But just in case you don't know, now you know.

• 1:27:13Drew Afualo?

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Thank you for keeping us empowered. We need it.

• 1:27:16Drew Afualo?

  Period. I agree. Same thing to y'all.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  And also for being so funny.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  In that last story, I'm going to think about it.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  I know what we're talking about at the hotel.

• 1:27:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh my God. That's why I was like, this job is such a joke. This job is so made up in so many ways, but I adore you both. And I, I think you both are so important to the internet. And I can't wait to see you continue to thrive.

• 1:27:42Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:27:44Drew Afualo?

  And for the two, maybe three people that don't know, where can everybody find you?

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  Um, you can find me on Instagram at Kirsten Titus or on TikTok. My username is still at Pepperoni Muffin.

• 1:27:54Drew Afualo?

  Unfortunately I did make that.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  That, that's me.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  Oh, you can find me, uh, on TikTok at Erica Titus and then Instagram at Erica M Titus. Oh, and our new podcast coming out.

• 1:28:06Drew Afualo?

  Yes, please.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  404 System Error. System spelled S I S because we are sisters. Yes. And I hear the crowd laughing. Because it's not a good name. And we also can't change it. So everybody be nice.

• 1:28:18Drew Afualo?

  Hey, we fucking hate it, but unfortunately we're married to it.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's already, it's, it's happened. We already did the photo shoot for it. Because, um, a lot of people randomly have taken that username. So we have very many variations of it. Our manager was like, make sure you get the names. We were like, got it. And then we looked and we were like, oh my God, it's already gone.

• 1:28:36Drew Afualo?

  No worries. But new podcasts, very exciting.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:28:39Drew Afualo?

  Very exciting coming to y'all. Make sure you guys go check out Kirsten and Erica on literally everything. They are adorable and amazing and incredible. And we love them. And thank you so much for tuning into the comment section. Don't forget new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video lives now exclusively on YouTube. Very, very exciting. Thank you so much to my amazing guests, Kirsten and Erica. Thank you so much for tuning in and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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