REVISITING: The Gary Indiana Demon House

In 2011, the Ammons family moved into a new home in Gary, Indiana — but it wasn’t exactly vacant when they arrived. It was said to be haunted by hundreds of spirits that led to wild paranormal phenomena — like levitation, poltergeist activity, and demonic possession. And it wasn’t just the Ammons who witnessed this activity firsthand — nurses, doctors, child service workers, and police officers experienced it too…

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• 0:01Yvette Gentile?

  Hey y'all. Technically, we're off this week. Yes, technically. But we wanted to use this week to revisit one of our favorite and honestly creepiest episodes ever. The Gary, Indiana demon house. I honestly still get chills just thinking about it. Same. And I remember how in the original intro, Ashley talked about the movie The Exorcist and how the whole thing felt like really possible that this was actually happening. Basically, since the dawn of time, people have spoken about demonic possession, calling a priest to exorcise some malevolent spirit.

• 0:43Yvette Gentile?

  And it always seems to be in a young woman or a kid, which to me makes it that much scarier. But the creepiest thing is that this type of thing is still happening. In 2011, the Amin's family claimed that their one-story house wasn't just regular haunted, it was demonic possession haunted. Like kids levitating out of their beds during sleepovers haunted. People were even getting tossed across the room by unknown forces. And social workers who allegedly saw the Amin's son climb up a wall. And for nearly a year, Latoya Amin's claimed

• 1:27Yvette Gentile?

  that she and her family were mentally and physically attacked by demons. And when no one, no one believed her, this mother did the unthinkable to save her children. She had to get not one, not two, but three major exorcisms. So whether you missed this one the first time around or you're brave enough to relive the story of the Gary, Indiana demon house, I'm Rasha Pecoraro. And I'm Yvette Gentile. Welcome back to So Supernatural.

• 2:41Rasha Pecoraro?

  So it's November 2011 and all Latoya Amin wants to do is just relax like every other mother. She's a single mom around her 30s with three kids, a 12-year-old daughter who we're gonna call Casey, a nine-year-old son who we'll call Jackson, and a seven-year-old son who we're going to call Noah.

• 2:59Yvette Gentile?

  And just to be clear, these are fake names. The papers didn't report the kids' names at the time of the incident, so to protect their privacy, we want to do exactly the same thing.

• 3:10Rasha Pecoraro?

  Latoya and the kids live with her mother, Rosa Campbell. All five of them have just spent the last few days moving into a new rental house at 3860 Carolina Street in Gary, Indiana, which isn't too far from where Ashley and the rest of the team at AudioChuck is.

• 3:26Yvette Gentile?

  That's right.

• 3:27Rasha Pecoraro?

  And look, we all know that moving is exhausting. I know. But moving with three kids, I can't even imagine. I only have one kid, so I don't even know what she was going through.

• 3:37Yvette Gentile?

  I don't have none, and I'm already tired, so.

• 3:40Rasha Pecoraro?

  I'm tired just thinking about it. So the only thing Latoya can think about at the end of the day is she wants some me-time. But of course, there's always something else to do. New house, new problems, am I right? So for most people, that means maybe the water pressure is too low, or the front door squeaks, things that, you know, can be annoying but manageable. But in Latoya's new place, the issues are a little bit weirder than that. Like, when the family tries to hang out on their new screened-in porch, they keep getting swarmed by these big, black flies. Ew.

• 4:14Yvette Gentile?

  Yeah, you know me and flies. Like, I can't stand flies. My little chihuahua can't stand flies. It's terrified of flies. So I would be like, where the hell are all these coming from?

• 4:24Rasha Pecoraro?

  Totally. And Rosa, Latoya's mother, keeps swearing she can hear footsteps in the basement. But when she goes to investigate, she doesn't see anything unusual. So over time, the incidents start getting more frequent and more strange.

• 4:40Rasha Pecoraro?

  One night, Rosa wakes up and sees the shadowy figure of a man pacing around the house. Now, of course, Rosa's first instinct is that they're being robbed. But when she gets up to confront the burglar, she can't find him. She looks all over the house, but whoever the shadowy man is, he's nowhere to be found. But the next morning, Rosa finds a large, muddy boot print in the damn house. It's way too big to come from any of the family's shoes. So then, of course, she starts to think, maybe a burglar did break into the house last night, but he escaped before she could find him. Except, the weird thing was, what kind of burglar doesn't steal anything?

• 5:22Yvette Gentile?

  I mean, noises and shadowy figures are one thing, but they pale in comparison to what happens next. Because five months after the Ammons move in, whatever it is in the house is starting to get physical. Like, that scares the bejesus out of me.

• 5:43Rasha Pecoraro?

  Me too.

• 5:45Yvette Gentile?

  It's 2:00 a.m. on March 10, 2012, and the Ammons have had a long day. After a loved one died that morning, their house has become a hub for friends and family who've been mourning their loss long into the night. Latoya and her mother Rosa and some other adult friends are in the living room talking while the kids are winding down in the bedrooms with their cousins. The adults are finally starting to call it a night themselves when, all of a sudden, they hear shouting coming from Rosa's bedroom. Rosa and Latoya rush to the room to find Latoya's 12-year-old daughter Casey, completely unconscious and floating a foot above the bed.

• 6:28Rasha Pecoraro?

  Oh, hell, no.

• 6:29Yvette Gentile?

  Like, I would be out of that house so fast, like, gone. Bye. See ya.

• 6:35Rasha Pecoraro?

  Bye, Felicia.

• 6:37Yvette Gentile?

  But we know that Latoya is a devout Christian, so her first instinct is to ask God for help. So all the mourners gather in Rose's room. They're reciting hymns and praying as if their lives depended on it, which honestly, Casey's might. And miraculously, it works. Slowly but surely, Casey lowers back onto the bed. She blinks her eyes open. And as she looks around at all the concerned faces, she asks, "What just happened?" She doesn't remember a thing.

• 7:13Rasha Pecoraro?

  Can you even imagine?

• 7:15Yvette Gentile?

  No.

• 7:16Rasha Pecoraro?

  Yeah, after the levitation incident, the cat, or I guess the poltergeist, is out of the bag. Because this is the first of a whole bunch of possession incidents for the Ammons family. And whatever's haunting the house is getting much, much more physical and more violent. At one point, it froze little nine-year-old Jackson across the room. Casey has incidents where it feels like invisible hands are holding her down and choking her. And Latoya keeps finding seven-year-old Noah hiding in a closet, talking to someone who isn't actually there. Latoya doesn't escape the strange attacks either. She wakes up some nights feeling feverish and lightheaded. It's like she's not in control of her body,

• 8:00Rasha Pecoraro?

  like some entity is actually possessing her.

• 8:03Yvette Gentile?

  Okay, I think it's time to call somebody, a pastor, a rabbi, Ghostbusters. I mean, y'all, these people need help.

• 8:12Rasha Pecoraro?

  Yes, that's exactly what Latoya's thinking. But when she asks around, it feels like nobody wants to get involved. So Latoya calls church after church, but most of them dismiss her. Either they think she's lying or they simply don't want anything to do with her haunted house. Latoya is at her wits' end when finally, someone recommends two psychics to her. This so reminds me of something that mom would do, right?

• 8:37Yvette Gentile?

  Totally, totally.

• 8:38Rasha Pecoraro?

  Yeah. But by this time, several months have passed and she's moved in. So it's early spring 2012 when Latoya finally gets these two psychics to come see the house. She's hoping there are rules to this thing, some way to control it. Like if it's an angry spirit, maybe there's a way to cast that spirit out or at least cleanse the house. Even if she could live alongside it, like a particularly spooky roommate, she'd be happy.

• 9:04Yvette Gentile?

  Oh, no.

• 9:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  I know, I know. She's just at her wit's end, basically. So she leads the psychics through the house, room to room. They aren't giving much away, but it's clear they're sensing something is very, very wrong. Because before Latoya even finishes the tour, they take her outside and they tell her that she needs to leave now. Because she's not just dealing with one spooky entity. The house is infested with over 200 demons.

• 9:36Yvette Gentile?

  All I can say is, oh, hell, no. Like, one demon, two demon, now you're telling me 200 demons? I'm already gone, like, you know, never to return.

• 9:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  Never, never, never, never to return. Because what's the first thing you scream at, at the TV when watching a horror film? Like, you're literally just telling them, move, get out of the way, leave, right?

• 9:57Yvette Gentile?

  All the time.

• 9:58Rasha Pecoraro?

  But for Latoya, it's not that simple. She just spent all of her money getting into this home. She doesn't have the cash to just up and leave and break her lease. So the psychics give her some advice. Try setting up an altar in the basement and bless the house. That very night, Latoya and Rosa followed these exact instructions. They set up a table in the basement and cover it with a white sheet and then place statues of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph on it. She wasn't playing. They burned sage and waved it through the house, making signs of the cross with the smoke.

• 10:34Yvette Gentile?

  Around the same time, a church finally gets back to Latoya with a bit of advice on how to handle the situation. So she follows their directions, too. Latoya deep cleans the house and draws a cross in olive oil on all the doors and windows. She also anoints her children's hands and feet with oil. But all of this, the oil, the sage, the altar, they're not enough. In fact, it seems like all they've managed to do is piss off whatever is in the house. So Latoya changes her course of action on April 19, 2012. She figures if the church can't help her, maybe the family doctor can. Latoya believes this is more than a

• 11:16Yvette Gentile?

  mental illness, but she's desperate for someone to do something. So a doctor probably seems like the next logical solution. And she gets to show them firsthand what they've been dealing with. Because right there in his office, Latoya's son Noah starts exhibiting strange behaviors. He starts thrashing and screaming and speaking in demonic voices and cursing. The doctor is terrified. It's like nothing he's ever seen before. But his world is logic and reason, not spirituality. So he immediately believes the issue here is psychiatric, not supernatural.

• 11:59Rasha Pecoraro?

  I do not agree.

• 12:00Yvette Gentile?

  I do not either. But he notes that the whole family has delusions of ghosts in the home and are suffering from hallucinations. Then he does what he believes is best for Noah. He calls an ambulance. Latoya rides with Noah to the local hospital, terrified that her son is sick, only she's met in the ICU by the police and a caseworker from the Department of Child Services. I mean, Latoya's devastated. She's only doing what she believed would protect her children. Now her son is hospitalized and Child Services is involved? And when she tries to explain about the demons, it feels like no one will listen to her. In fact, it's only making things worse.

• 12:46Yvette Gentile?

  Then something happens in the hospital that nobody can explain. Something so outrageous that it turns the caseworker and a police officer into true believers.

• 13:10Rasha Pecoraro?

  It's 2012 and Latoya Almonds is having the worst week, maybe even worst year of her life. Not only are demons attacking her family, but the authorities won't believe her. Now her son's in the hospital being examined by doctors and child services.

• 13:28Yvette Gentile?

  Just picture this hospital room. I mean, it's utter chaos. Latoya, Rosa, and all three kids are there. Noah is screaming, he's growling, he's speaking in strange voices and convulsing. And he's doing all of this in front of the caseworkers, the nurses, and the police. It takes five people to hold him down in the hospital bed. And worst of all, nobody can agree on what his problem is, whether it's medical, mental, or spiritual. But it's clear to everyone that something is very wrong.

• 14:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  The caseworker assigned to the Almonds family is named Valerie Washington. So let's imagine your Valerie for a second. You're coming into this with reports of kids acting strangely. With your background, you're pretty primed to believe that they're acting out because of something going on at home. Now, I'm sure that she's seen her fair share of abuse, neglect, hunger, even mental illness. But the longer she spends with the Almonds family in the hospital, the more she starts to believe something else is going on here. Valerie watches as Noah starts growling and baring his teeth. His eyes roll back in his head and before anyone can make a move,

• 14:45Rasha Pecoraro?

  he springs at his brother Jackson, wrapping his hands around the older boy's throat. Noah's only seven years old, but he's showing such strength that Jackson can't even stop him. It takes several adults to pull Noah off of his brother. Now that's not even what disturbs Valerie the most. Later that night, she interviews the boys with their grandmother Rosa and a nurse in the room. As Valerie is asking questions, Noah begins staring down Jackson and growling at him again. Then his voice drops into a strange, deep register and he starts rasping threats, saying, quote, "It's time to die." But then something comes over Jackson.

• 15:28Rasha Pecoraro?

  He turns on Rosa and starts headbutting his grandmother in the stomach. Next, the creepiest, most inexplicable thing happens right in front of Valerie's eyes. Rosa grabs Jackson's hands to pray with him. But instead of joining her, he reportedly looks up at Valerie and the nurse with a creepy grin on his face. He stands up, he walks slowly backwards to the wall, and then walks straight up it. Backwards, are you listening to the words that are coming out of my mouth? He walked backwards all the way up to the ceiling. Valerie is so freaked out that she takes off running with the nurse hot on her heels.

• 16:12Rasha Pecoraro?

  She cannot explain what she just saw. But she feels confident there's something evil fixating on the Ammons family. But here's the thing, it's her job to protect those children, right? So the next day, she tells Latoya what she's decided. To keep the kids safe, Child Services is taking emergency custody and moving her three kids to a foster home.

• 16:38Yvette Gentile?

  Wow. Now, there's a bit of a difference between what Valerie Washington said she saw and what her notes say.

• 16:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  I bet there were. How could she explain that on paper?

• 16:49Yvette Gentile?

  Yeah, exactly, I know. But the thing is Valerie is a caseworker. She deals in family services, right?

• 16:56Rasha Pecoraro?

  Right.

• 16:57Yvette Gentile?

  She is a logical woman. I mean, she's spent years trying to get to the bottom of child welfare cases, which in her mind, always have a reasonable explanation. She's just gone through something utterly terrifying, unlike anything she's ever experienced. So she's dealing with it the only way she knows how, by finding a rational explanation. So one idea that she writes down is that perhaps all of this is stemming from Latoya herself, that the mother, Latoya, has some kind of mental illness or delusion that's making her think the house is haunted, wanting to please their mother. The children could be pretending

• 17:42Yvette Gentile?

  to be possessed and attacked by spirits. So Valerie tells Latoya the kids will undergo psychiatric evaluations, and in a few weeks, Child Services will come tour the house. And if everything goes well, her children will be returned to her.

• 17:59Rasha Pecoraro?

  So of course, Latoya is naturally distraught. Who wouldn't be? She's done everything she can to protect her kids, and now the state is investigating whether she's a fit mother? She knows her only chance to get her kids back is to prove to the authorities that the demons tormenting her family are real. Now, around this time, Latoya meets a Catholic priest named Father Magino, who blesses the house. Latoya is relieved when she finds that Magino believes her. But that relief quickly turns to terror because the father is so disturbed by the house, he advises Latoya and Rosa to stay with a relative. It's too dangerous for them to continue living there.

• 18:40Yvette Gentile?

  I mean, that's what I was saying in the beginning, like, hello, finally, someone is telling them to get the heck up out of that house.

• 18:47Rasha Pecoraro?

  And thankfully, this time, they actually listen. They stay out of the house for most of the following week. But eventually, they have to go back for that Child Services visit. That day, Latoya and Rosa meet Valerie and three police officers outside the house on Carolina Street. Latoya herself is even too scared to go inside, so Rosa takes the group into the house. But, from the moment they step inside, their equipment starts immediately malfunctioning. Two of the cops are using voice recorders. Only one of the voice recorders dies almost as soon as they step foot in the house despite being fully charged. The other recorder does something totally different.

• 19:30Rasha Pecoraro?

  When the police officer listens back to it later that day, he hears an unknown voice whisper "Hey" on the recording. Another officer is taking photos of the screened-in front porch where he notices something very strange. A cloudy white smudge appears in the upper right-hand corner of the image. When it's enlarged later, it shows the clear outline of a floating human figure on the porch.

• 19:57Yvette Gentile?

  All I can say is, "Get out, get out, get out."

• 20:02Rasha Pecoraro?

  There's a movie called Get Out, and I'm sure there's a scene like that from that movie, even though I couldn't watch it because I was too much of a scaredy cat. But anyway. On another police visit about two weeks later, things start to get kinda sticky. This time, Latoya and Rosa are joined by Father Magino and several police officers. Valerie is too scared to go back in the house, so a different caseworker named Samantha joins the expedition. It only takes minutes for people to start fleeing the house. Samantha's pinky finger starts to tingle as if something is wrong with the nerve in her finger. Actually, she's so convinced her finger is broken that she ends up having a complete panic attack and she also has to leave.

• 20:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  Then Latoya complains of a pain in her head and shoulder, and she leaves. The remaining cops notice there's something oily dripping from the Venetian blinds in the living room. Father Magino declares that this is obviously demonic. And while he's dabbled in demon hunting before, he's never seen such clear evidence of an evil presence.

• 21:08Yvette Gentile?

  Well, thank God for Father Magino because now, somebody believes her.

• 21:14Rasha Pecoraro?

  Seriously. The cops are a little less sure, which is to be expected. So they conduct an experiment. They completely clean off the Venetian blinds and then seal off the living room. For 25 minutes, no one goes in and no one comes out. And what do you think happens when they open the door?

• 21:33Yvette Gentile?

  Let me guess, the blinds are oily again?

• 21:36Rasha Pecoraro?

  Bingo. Demon juice all over them.

• 21:39Yvette Gentile?

  Okay, so both the police and child services have seen a lot of spooky things in the Ammon's house at this point. One police officer walks away fully believing there's something evil in the house. And remember, the caseworker Valerie Washington saw Jackson walk up a wall, like literally saw him walk up a wall. And yet, it's still not enough to convince the state. I mean, I imagine it would take a lot. So they inform Latoya they're keeping her kids.

• 22:13Rasha Pecoraro?

  That is so heartbreaking. I can't even imagine what she was going through.

• 22:17Yvette Gentile?

  But as a mom, she's not going to stop fighting for her children. She realizes if she wants to get her kids back and get her house cleansed of spirits, she needs to see Father Magino again. He says he thinks he can still help her, but he's got a new theory now. Father Magino doesn't believe the problem lies with the house. He thinks it's with Latoya. Essentially, the demons aren't haunting a place, but a person. And listen, all the demonic attacks didn't stop once Latoya left her place.

• 22:58Yvette Gentile?

  Remember, Latoya's children kept acting like they were possessed, even in the hospital. So it's not the cottage on Carolina Street he needs to exorcise. He says it's Latoya herself.

• 23:12Yvette Gentile?

  Father Maginot goes and he presents Latoya's story to his bishop. Now, in the 21 years that he's been at the diocese, this bishop has never authorized an exorcism. But after hearing everything that's happened to Latoya, he gives his blessing. And so it seems the entire power of the Catholic Church stands behind Father Maginot and this exorcism, at least at the time.

• 23:40Rasha Pecoraro?

  So let's fast forward to June 2012, about two months since her kids were removed from the home. Latoya Almonds is equal parts terrified and hopeful. She's bound in a chair in Father Maginot's church in Maryville, Indiana, which is just outside of Gary. As Father Maginot begins to pray, Latoya starts convulsing in her chair. Maginot presses a crucifix to her forehead and repeatedly tells the demons he's casting them out. But when he draws back, he freezes in surprise. The little metal Christ figure that decorates his crucifix has disappeared without a trace.

• 24:21Yvette Gentile?

  What? That's cuckoo.

• 24:24Rasha Pecoraro?

  And try as he might, the one exorcism doesn't quite do the trick. As Latoya comes out of her trance in the chair, Father Maginot informs her that the demons haunting her have been weakened, but they are far from gone. They will need to try again. Over the course of the month, he tries this two more times.

• 24:45Yvette Gentile?

  I can't even imagine like this poor woman is going through this, but she's doing what she has to do because she wants to get rid of this.

• 24:52Rasha Pecoraro?

  Exactly.

• 24:55Rasha Pecoraro?

  Well, the final time seems like the most difficult for Latoya, or the demons hiding inside of her. As Father Maginot prays in Latin and recites from the Bible, poor Latoya convulses again, fighting the straps that are keeping her in that chair. But still, Father Maginot believes some stubborn demons are refusing to come out. Finally, just as Father Maginot is about to call it quits, Latoya starts praying aloud, something she hasn't done in any of the earlier exorcisms. And it seems to make a huge difference because after that, the demons are gone, just like that.

• 25:36Rasha Pecoraro?

  For Latoya, this is like the sun breaking through a never-ending thunderstorm. Not only is she free of demons, so is her house.

• 25:47Yvette Gentile?

  As one last precaution, Latoya and Rosa get the resources needed to move away from the house on Carolina Street. And finally, six months after that fateful day when her son walked up a wall, she gets her kids back.

• 26:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  Thank goodness. It's not every day we get to see a happy ending, especially in what feels like a real-life horror movie.

• 26:13Yvette Gentile?

  Well, hang on. The credits haven't rolled quite yet, Rasha, because this story reaches the news two years later, in 2014. And that's when people start to doubt whether there were ever any demons in the first place.

• 26:36Yvette Gentile?

  One of the strangest things about the Ammons haunting case is how well-documented it is. I mean, every terrifying incident is confirmed by multiple people.

• 26:48Rasha Pecoraro?

  But even with all of this overwhelming evidence, there are some skeptics out there. So let's go back through the story step by step and see if the dark demons tormenting the Ammons family hold up in the harsh light of day. Our first stop is, you guessed it, the house on Carolina Street.

• 27:07Yvette Gentile?

  So Charles Reed was the landlord at 3860 Carolina Street for 33 years. And as he told reporters, he's heard every excuse under the sun for late rent, house problems. I mean, you name it. But 200 demons? That's a new one. Charles apparently never had ghostly issues in this house, either before or after the Allmans family lived there. So he was surprised to hear about strange oily liquid seeping from the walls and unseen forces possessing her children. At first, he thought he knew where this was coming from. Latoya was behind on his rent and possibly looking for excuses to delay paying her bills.

• 27:52Yvette Gentile?

  But that was only before the Catholic Church got involved. Once Charles heard that they had approved an exorcism, he was much more willing to believe Latoya.

• 28:03Rasha Pecoraro?

  All of this seems like a whole lot of work to get a simple grace period on rent. And I mean, it goes without saying, this doesn't explain things like the oil literally seeping from the walls on their own, or one of Latoya's children walking up a wall. Based on everything we know, the demons seem to be attached to Latoya, not the rental house. So the landlord's opinion doesn't hold a ton of weight for me. But a clinical psychologist's opinion, now that I'm a little more interested in. So Latoya's kids, Noah, Jackson, and Casey, were in the custody of Child Services for about six months. During that time, they were evaluated by specially trained psychologists to get to the root of their bizarre behavior.

• 28:47Rasha Pecoraro?

  The psychologist who examined the youngest son Noah noted that in normal conversation, he came across as calm and logical. But the second demons were mentioned, all of that went out the window. Noah would make claims about demons that didn't make any sense, or his stories would change with every retelling. The psychologist also noticed that whenever she asked Noah a question he didn't like, he'd literally start acting like he was possessed. He'd growl, he'd roll his eyes back in his head, just like he did at the hospital. Like, maybe it was sort of a defensive tactic? As for the other two kids, the psychologist who examined them noticed similar behavior. He saw that both kids really did believe something strange was happening in the home.

• 29:31Rasha Pecoraro?

  But that didn't mean that the home was actually haunted by demons. In fact, both doctors concluded that the three kids weren't really possessed. Instead, they were acting this way because their mother encouraged it. The doctor believed Latoya was suffering from a demonic delusion.

• 29:51Yvette Gentile?

  Now let's just break that down for a second. Yes, Latoya was a devout Christian and yes, some deeply religious people are primed to believe in things like demons. So perhaps something convinced Latoya there were demons in the house and her children followed suit. But what that doesn't account for is Latoya's own psychological evaluation. Latoya was so confident she was telling the truth that she released her own psych records to the newspaper. That's because when Latoya was evaluated, the doctor concluded she was not suffering from psychosis or any other disorder. After declaring Latoya was a stable guardian for her children,

• 30:35Yvette Gentile?

  the Department of Child Services set several parameters for her to regain custody of her children. The family needed to avoid talking about demons and possessions and to go to therapy together. I mean, these are all good things. But the most interesting rule was the final one. Latoya would need to move to a new house. Hello, what have we been saying all along?

• 31:03Rasha Pecoraro?

  I know.

• 31:04Yvette Gentile?

  And why? Apparently, they felt there was proof that something so supernatural was happening at the house on Carolina Street. Right there in the official Child Services case file, it said, "This house was unfit to live in due to paranormal activity."

• 31:25Rasha Pecoraro?

  Hello, that's what we've been saying this entire time.

• 31:28Yvette Gentile?

  All along.

• 31:30Rasha Pecoraro?

  So even with all the therapy and searching for mental or emotional reasons for the almonds problem, Child Services still thought the house was haunted. I mean, it makes so much sense to me and Yvette. Remember what happened at the hospital? Jackson slowly walking backwards up the wall? With so many witnesses, you can't unsee that.

• 31:50Yvette Gentile?

  No, you cannot unsee that. Now, some skeptics have argued this isn't as impossible a feat as it sounds. With the grandmother, Rosa, holding the boy's hand, she could have been bracing him on his journey up the wall?

• 32:07Rasha Pecoraro?

  No.

• 32:08Yvette Gentile?

  Like, what?

• 32:09Rasha Pecoraro?

  There's no way. She's an elderly woman. He's an 11-year-old boy. That is not possible. There's this little thing we call gravity that comes into play here. Plus, there were two trained professionals that were so terrified of what they saw, they literally ran out of the room screaming. We also have to consider that there were people who saw terrifying things when the Ammons family wasn't even there. Like Police Captain Charles Austin. He was one of the officers present when they took the photo with the mysterious white figure on the front porch. Have to remember that.

• 32:41Yvette Gentile?

  So let's talk about the photo for a second because, from what I read, it may not be totally credible. And here's the problem. According to the Indianapolis Star, "The photo of the front porch with this terrifying shadowy white figure was snapped by someone from the Hammond Police Department, which patrols the town of Hammond, which is right next to Gary." But on further investigation, the Hammond Police Chief claimed that the photo did not come from them. So we really have no idea where that photo came from. The figure pictured in it could be real. It could be a trick of light or even Photoshop for all that matters. But without knowing who snapped the photo,

• 33:26Yvette Gentile?

  it's impossible to say if it really is a picture of a demon. On one hand, it's easy to believe that Latoya Ammons was a single mom dealing with a lot on her plate and possibly looking for someone or something to blame. But the huge stack of eyewitness accounts and hard evidence makes me think 100% that she was truly haunted by demons. And it looks like in the years since, things have gone pretty quiet at the Gary, Indiana demon house. Landlord Charles Reed rented it out for several more years with no incident.

• 34:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  In 2014, he sold the house to Zach Baggins. You know, the host of the paranormal investigation show Ghost Adventures.

• 34:12Yvette Gentile?

  We do know.

• 34:13Rasha Pecoraro?

  And side note, our beautiful mother, Fana Hodel, was on Ghost Adventures on the Black Dahlia House episode in 2015. I don't know why Zach bought that damn house.

• 34:24Yvette Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 34:24Rasha Pecoraro?

  It could be crazy.

• 34:24Yvette Gentile?

  He also shot a documentary in the house before tearing it down in 2016. And afterwards, this is what he told the Indy Star. He saw supernatural things inside that house that he had never seen before. And the words that he used, dark, intelligent, and powerful. And the house wasn't the only part of this story to receive the Hollywood treatment. So this year, director Lee Daniels just released his first ever horror film. And it's about Latoya Amon's story. You know, he changes some things, obviously. Like, it's not in Gary, Indiana. It's in Pittsburgh. It's called The Deliverance.

• 35:05Yvette Gentile?

  But all the things that happened to her and her family are in this movie. And I literally had a pillow in front of my face the entire time. And I was watching it with my husband. And Gina's like, why don't you just put the pillow down? I'm like, no, I can't put the pillow down. Like, I can't.

• 35:25Yvette Gentile?

  The message of the movie is the same as Latoya's story. Basically, nothing can compete with a mother's love. And she will do anything and everything to protect her children. And that's going to hell and back for them, y'all.

• 35:57Rasha Pecoraro?

  This is So Supernatural, an AudioChuck original, produced by Crime House. You can connect with us on Instagram at So Supernatural Pod and on our website, sosupernaturalpodcast.com. Join Yvette and me next Friday for an all-new episode. So what do you think, Chuck? Do you approve?

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