Second Helpings - Aisling Bea

We may be on our summer break but we thought we’d delve into the Table Manners archive and relive some of our favourite episodes from 17 wonderful series! Up first is the gorgeous Aisling Bea who joined us in February 2020. We had been trying to nail down a recording with Aisling ever since we became friends on a Love Island WhatsApp group. I had laughed and swooned at her wit and grace from afar for a while so it was a total pleasure to offer a hoodie and a green tea to Irish actress writer and all round hilarious human, Aisling Bea. And thank God she came, if only to explain the meaning of 'dogging' to mum. We chat Irish whisky, plane food, Love Island (of course) sustainability and nibbling on toasted pecans. Aisling is the sharpest cheddar on the board and god we love her! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:05Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Second Helpings with me, Jessie Ware and Lenny.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm here.

• 1:11Jessie Ware?

  You're here. We've just rounded off our biggest season table manners, but we thought we wouldn't stay away for too long. So we thought we'd remind you of some of the fantastic guests we've had over the years. So first up, we have the phenomenal Aisling B., who makes me laugh like no one else. Her and Alan Carr.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  Jessie, I remember that episode.

• 1:32Jessie Ware?

  I think you were unwell.

• 1:33Speaker 03

  I had Covid.

• 1:34Jessie Ware?

  Do you think?

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35Jessie Ware?

  It was January 2020.

• 1:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you had to drag. I'd been in bed for three days and you dragged me downstairs to do the recording.

• 1:44Jessie Ware?

  An awful human being.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45Jessie Ware?

  So yeah, it was series nine with Aisling, who's actor, comedian and writer. I was living with you, Mum, because I was having a renovation done on the house. Little did we know that we'd be locked down for two years after that. Aisling is a pescatarian, so I made salmon fillets with panko breadcrumbs and chili and ginger and spring onions, which I think was a recipe that producer Alice had given me.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  No, it's mine.

• 2:10Jessie Ware?

  It's in your cookbook. It's in our cookbook. Oh, it's in our cookbook. And I tasted it at someone's house and then made it up. And then we served it with mashed sweet potato with ginger and orange zest and pak choy. God, we should do that one again. That sounds delicious. And we knew that she wasn't a pudding person, so we had a cheese board instead. Did we? Yeah, I don't remember any. You were ill. I was terribly ill, I think. I hope she was all right after. I had just had a facial. I'd just had microneedling. So my face was bright red, but this was before we did visuals, so thank God. Aisling came over to talk about lots of things, but, you know, I was such a fan of This Way Up.

• 2:46Jessie Ware?

  But she'd just been in a Netflix series with the gorgeous Paul Rudd, who I would love to have on. I loved him. It was called Living With Yourself. So here it is, Aisling B on Second Helpings.

• 3:06Jessie Ware?

  Aisling B, you've arrived on a Thursday night.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  Classic me.

• 3:12Jessie Ware?

  You've asked for a hoodie to be a bit more comfy.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  I just needed to chill out.

• 3:16Jessie Ware?

  You're drinking, you're drinking, yeah, I'll get your PJs on too.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  Almost would.

• 3:21Jessie Ware?

  I can run you a bath.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Oh, can we do it from the back? Imagine you guys serving me salmon in the bath.

• 3:26Jessie Ware?

  Salmon in the bath.

• 3:27Speaker 04

  Salmon in the bath. It would be very like

• 3:29Jessie Ware?

  Very Paulie Yates.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  Circle of life, wouldn't it? You're like, there you go, little salmon, back to where you began.

• 3:35Jessie Ware?

  But yeah, you're drinking a green tea. It's January and we're all trying to be good to ourselves.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:40Jessie Ware?

  So when I was texting you, now I've got your number through this Love Island WhatsApp group.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  For a second, I thought you meant you were like, I've got your number, mate. I know what you're up to. And I was like, all right, Jessie, a bit of an aggressive, oh, but no, you literally, you do have my number.

• 3:52Jessie Ware?

  I actually do have your number.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  What is it then? Go on, tell everybody.

• 3:56Jessie Ware?

  But I, I, I kind of did the thing of like, can't wait to meet you because I actually feel like you're the nearest I've got to a Tinder date.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  I know what you mean.

• 4:05Jessie Ware?

  Because we've never met each other, but I feel like I know you so well. Because I've seen your humour, I've heard your voice and voice notes.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  I've danced and wiggled my arse many times to your voice.

• 4:15Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  So like we have, and then we met each other on our Love Island WhatsApp group.

• 4:20Jessie Ware?

  I know.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  And we're both active on it. And I think neither you nor I, correct me if I'm wrong, ever realised how many people are actually on the Love Island WhatsApp group.

• 4:27Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's quite a lot, isn't it?

• 4:28Speaker 04

  I thought there were about 12 people on it and.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Probably 70.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  They're, oh, like, it's now up to 92. And there are a lot of people who are watching quietly on our Love Island. And I didn't know.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  I think maybe change a group.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Oh, it's very, oh, it's too late now.

• 4:44Jessie Ware?

  No, I bet there is an exclusive group that I'm not in.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Jessie, ask.

• 4:48Jessie Ware?

  No, you can't be like, hey, guys, can we sack this one off?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  It's like love, asking to be respected or told that you're cool. Once you have to ask for it, you're sort of not cool anymore.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Darling, I've never brought you up to not be in the exclusive group.

• 5:00Jessie Ware?

  Mum, oh my god, I feel like it's pretty exclusive.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 5:09Jessie Ware?

  He's so sweet, his daughter.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  What if there's another, like, offspring when we're not in? Oh, no.

• 5:14Jessie Ware?

  I, I, I wonder. But no, I feel, I thank every moment that I'm still allowed to be in it.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Isn't it funny that, like, with this job of ours and we work in, the business we call show, that no matter what you do, there's always some other room you think there might be. No matter what level you get to, you always think, oh, is there another room that I'm not allowed in? You're, you're chasing some kind of, like, being accepted. And only this year am I finally like, ah, grand. I'll stick with hanging around with, like, good crack people.

• 5:45Jessie Ware?

  I mean, when you say I'll stick with what, Sharon Hutt? Like, you're doing all right.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Everyone always, I, I had, I had an interview.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Paul Rudd, I've always loved him.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, everyone loves him. And because he's not on any form of social media, once I, once it kind of came out that I was doing Living With Yourself, the show I was in with him, I became like.

• 6:04Jessie Ware?

  That's up for.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Oh, it was up for Golden Globe for actor. Paul didn't get it, unfortunately.

• 6:09Jessie Ware?

  Still was up for it.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, was still up for it. Hey, that's another thing. I remember once I was nominated for a Comedy Award and the whole week everyone's like, congratulations. And then as soon as you lose it, people are like, oh, I'm so sorry. So it takes away the thing that was a congratulations. But suddenly you don't lose and it's always a chasing another. But I still got nominated, it was still the thing. And that's what I mean about constantly, you have to at some point go, ah, maybe I won't bother looking for that carrot on the stick anymore. But I get all of Paul's like, hey, is there any way Paul could just try on my T-shirt? Or is there any way Paul wants some free biscuits? Or could you tell Paul Rudd that he's on the list of like people I'd allow my wife to have an affair with? Like I have to pass on all these messages. Do you pass them on? Yeah, yeah, mainly, yeah.

• 6:54Jessie Ware?

  Can you ask Paul Rudd to, uh, uh, be on a, a, a Taylor Man is podcast?

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. It happens with Paul, Phoebe and Sharon Horton.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  He's kept surprisingly gorgeous.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he lives in a little fridge and they refrigerate and then they take him out for kind of meetings and stuff like that. He's very well preserved. The problem is acting with him is a very cold experience because to touch his face has that sort of waxy pallor. I love this is her on Dry January, do you know what I mean? Like, I just wonder. Or like Dry Winter, ladies, am I right? And no, I'm, a Dry January, it's been more of a damp January. Like every five days I reward myself for doing so well by getting absolutely twazzled. Were you twazzled last night? I didn't get twazzled, I think I was more, there was free cocktails at this. Where were you? I was at an event, like a Vanity Fair party before the BAFTAs. Oh darling. Rising Stars. Darling. Uh, night. Who were you wearing?

• 7:48Speaker 04

  Who was I wearing? Every boy's eyes in the whole venue. Ben, what a confident woman.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  I was there with loads of friends though, so it was actually great crack. And that's where I'm not someone who.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Got to let go.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not someone who drinks when I feel insecure. I'm actually like, I get carried away by fun. I hate being left out of a potential anecdote. I tend to stay three hours longer than one show. You know, there's that thing of like, leave when the party's going well. I leave like at the end when someone's like, sorry, we just have homes to go to. You know, that there's, hi, it's, it's over, it's over, there's not, nothing's gonna happen. I'm like, but what if, what if in the last dregs of the night, there's a potential laugh and I could get involved in the anecdote of it? So that's what I might, so there were a lot of friends there and I found it very hard to leave and there was so much sugar in the free cocktails. Oh god, you feel like shit.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  What, which is your favourite cocktail?

• 8:44Speaker 04

  I love an Eastern Standard or a gimlet with a vodka. So like things that are like elder flowery, eh, minty, cucumber.

• 8:55Jessie Ware?

  I've got a little elderflower that you could put in that if you want. It's fizzy water. I didn't even ask if you like fizzy water.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  I'm so humble. I don't like fizzy water or champagne. That's how humble I am.

• 9:04Jessie Ware?

  Do you?

• 9:05Speaker 04

  I'm real sort of the earth type person. Yeah, I like still water.

• 9:09Jessie Ware?

  But you have good water in Ireland.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  We do actually, well in some places. Well, though, there is a lot of controversy about water pipes at the moment and people being taxed for water.

• 9:18Jessie Ware?

  Do you actually want still water?

• 9:19Speaker 04

  Could I have still water?

• 9:20Jessie Ware?

  Of course, would you like a little bit of elderflower?

• 9:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, why can't we stick it in there for the laugh?

• 9:26Jessie Ware?

  Which bit of Ireland do you come from?

• 9:28Speaker 04

  So I am from Kildare. Kildare is like sort of Berkshire to London in terms of distance. And it's a very horsey part of the country. So it's where the Curragh Racecourse is and a lot of horse racing.

• 9:40Jessie Ware?

  Sorry, my daughter's being a cat.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  Hello, little cat. Oh my God, you train your child to bring things in in its mouth. Jessica.

• 9:49Jessie Ware?

  What's this? Can I have that? Oh, you're a doggy, sorry.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  It was obvious, it was a bone. I will say, you're gonna have to work harder on your dog material. I'm not gonna patronize her by saying that was a great performance of a dog because I read it as a cat. It would be very unique if she decided to stay like that. If she identifies as a dog when she gets older. Yeah.

• 10:08Jessie Ware?

  What would they call, what would that be called?

• 10:11Speaker 04

  Uh, well, there is, have you ever seen this?

• 10:13Jessie Ware?

  Canine something.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:15Jessie Ware?

  Canine or, I don't know, anyway.

• 10:17Speaker 04

  Um, there is a Channel Four documentary called The Secret Life of Human Pups. And it's very fascinating.

• 10:24Jessie Ware?

  Are they the children that were brought up by wolves or dogs?

• 10:27Speaker 04

  But that's also a great one. This one is about a group of people around the world who like to live their lives as pups and they identify as puppies. And they dress up in quite sort of sexy leathery clothes.

• 10:43Jessie Ware?

  Oh, it's like a sex thing?

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Well, that's the question which sort of hangs over us for the whole documentary, really. I felt really sorry for like, there's, they go to the international like best human dog convention. And there's this one guy who's representing Britain. And he's like, he's like, for his, and he's dressed up as a dog and he's his owner. And there's a little bit of sexual tension between the owner and him and we kind of do wonder what goes on.

• 11:07Jessie Ware?

  They don't do dogging and things?

• 11:08Speaker 04

  Well, we don't know. It's just a little bit of the unanswered question.

• 11:12Jessie Ware?

  Why is dogging called dogging, actually? Because of the way dogs do it. Oh, okay, fine.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  I don't think that's it.

• 11:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh, is that not?

• 11:20Speaker 04

  I think it's, I think it's, so here's my thoughts. We're definitely going to get emails in to us three poor ladies sitting around going, but what? It's dogging. Let's, eh, blue sky think it. I think dogging might be called dogging, because maybe a lot of people pretend to go out to walk their dogs.

• 11:38Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's it, yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Or actually go and wa- watch people in cars having sex. And the people in the cars know people are watching them, so are doing it for a performative reason.

• 11:46Jessie Ware?

  You're kidding me?

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Yes, and as a performer, may I take my hat off to any side specific theatre? Um, but then I also wonder, is it that you're sitting there watching almost like a dog? I wonder, is that an element, that you're there kind of looking like?

• 12:00Jessie Ware?

  Now, what did you think, Mum?

• 12:01Speaker 04

  I'd like, but do you know the way a dog would sit and watch you at the table eating? And you just sort of like tongue out, like watching?

• 12:08Jessie Ware?

  I thought it was them mouthing them from behind. Oh, no, that's doggy style.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  That is doggy style, that is doing it doggy style. And that is something I would definitely say I know about. And the other one, I will say, I'm not so sure about the etymology of dogging. Dear readers, please feel the reader phone in.

• 12:27Jessie Ware?

  Please don't.

• 12:30Jessie Ware?

  I'm so glad that my daughter walking in as a dog has turned into doggy selling dogging and absidy.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  But in this, so in this documentary, God love them, the Bri- the guy representing Britain as a puppy goes to Germany to do the international puppy convention, and they all have to have a talent.

• 12:47Jessie Ware?

  Of course, it was in Germany.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  But it's in Germany and he goes.

• 12:49Jessie Ware?

  They're a little, they're a little freaky deaky over there, they like.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Well, this is the thing, so he goes dressed up in his really cute Playtex rubbery, oh, oh, I'm just a little puppy outfit. And for his talent, he grabs a crayon in his mouth and draws something on a page. And it's like, look, the pup draw- drew. And then for all of the other ones, they are in proper sort of like gimp outfits. Really sexy. Some of them have like their lads, their balls hanging out. And for their talents, they do like an absolute striptease. And the poor little British puppy is like watching being like, oh, I think I got the brief slightly wrong. It's like, almost like turning up to an orgy with a cheese board. Being like, hi guys. Oh, you've already started. I, I thought we might do snacks first, but okay, this is a lot more.

• 13:34Jessie Ware?

  Do they do that on Love Island too?

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Do they do? This was, this Love Island seems like a day out at the convent in comparison.

• 13:44Jessie Ware?

  It's not giving me enough.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  International Human Puppy Convention in Germany.

• 13:47Jessie Ware?

  Let's just quickly talk about Love Island because both you and I, I haven't watched last night's actually.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  Hmm. Me neither.

• 13:53Jessie Ware?

  Fine.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  It's a little treat for myself.

• 13:54Jessie Ware?

  It's a little bit, um, quiet on the.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Dry this year.

• 13:58Jessie Ware?

  So my friend said yesterday that he thought.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:03Jessie Ware?

  The reason it wasn't going very well is because we're not in summer. We don't, you know, when they go to Click to Buy the outfit that Blas wearing. People are in, you know, in hoodies and woolies and they don't feel.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  I like staying in and, and watching it. For me, it's my, what I've decided to let go of is Annie, like when people go, oh, it's a guilty pleasure. It's cheap watching. I don't mind that. People have soap operas or like sport is just kicking a ball up and down. You know, not plot wise, not a lot happens in a football game. You know, there's no real drama, except for someone falls over pretending every now and again. Um, but with this, I feel the same thing. I love the simplicity of it. It's like a sort of humble dish of like just potatoes and cheese, you know? It's just like, a lot you, the though, yeah. What I like as well is that they don't really tend to have chats. They tend to do just constant analysis.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  It's like, it, it would be like if, if football games were only two minutes of football and then the pundit speaking. For like an hour.

• 15:06Jessie Ware?

  And the editing is on point, like Shanice's little face, that's now become an international meme.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:12Jessie Ware?

  When the girl comes in, that no, anyway.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Almost again, like what we were talking about earlier on, about like always thinking there's another room where someone else belongs. Like you take these people, all of whom are gorgeous and might be the most beautiful people in their town. And then they keep on sending, just when you think there couldn't be more beautiful people, someone who's even more beautiful. Yeah, Xena the warrior, and suddenly they're the people who are like, I'm fit, I'm lovely, this is how I look.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  How do everyone know? In fact, the real, the real threats are the people who come in and they've had nothing done in their natural.

• 15:51Jessie Ware?

  And they're making the eggs and I think that she's one to watch, isn't she?

• 15:55Speaker 04

  There's a girl who's come in and she really doesn't need any makeup.

• 15:57Jessie Ware?

  She's stunning.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  That is, when you see someone, I did a film this summer with Frida Pinto. And Frida Pinto is the most, it's almost like when they put makeup on Frida, it makes her look like. She's, I could eat my dinner off her face. And she's so, such a good woman as well. She is someone who like does so much work with like charities and um. And works really, like she's been in the Hollywood business since she was like quite young. And she just like say one year, she went out and took all with a van of her own accord. And took like all of the excess food from a load of award ceremonies during this sort of ceremonies in Hollywood.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  And gave it to a load of homeless shelters and charities. And she did that all off her own back. Food waste is my um biggest hatred.

• 16:46Jessie Ware?

  Of course, everyone's gonna be vegetarian now, aren't they? Well, there's nothing wrong with that, mum.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:52Jessie Ware?

  Mum's got a bit of a, I think. I have not.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  I subscribe to it darling, but I think that you should give people a choice.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  No, what, no. Yeah, it's for me, it's all, everything I do, it's, we can't live like this anymore. We are dieting like kings and thought that we could all live like that forever. But what we've done is we've taken too much out of not just the resources on this planet to fulfill what we thought would be an endless stream of food and money and clothes and items. And we, what we were really doing was we were agreeing to take away from people who are far less fortunate than us. So to afford our avocados, we've let people in South America fall into gang warfare over avocados. To for, to have our beef, there's so much land in developing countries where there are

• 17:43Speaker 04

  poor people, has had to be soya plants and forests knocked down for soya plants to feed cows. So it's not like it's, you shouldn't eat an animal for me. It's like, it's very much, the 10% has been feeding on the riches of other people's lives.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  So is that why you've become a pescatarian?

• 18:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, generally, and even that's problematic generally. I mean, there's, we're all going to have to change because the world is running out of space and it's almost like we've been like Catch Me If You Can Leonardo DiCaprio style, running away with a credit card and there's been no money in our bank account and now all of the bills are coming in and we can't ignore them. And that's what it feels like environmentally. And it's, we're, we're getting to the point ecologically where we might even not be able to get out of it. I'm just gonna put the food on because I know you're hungry.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  No, we've got to pull back.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've got to, but it's, it's gone a little bit beyond that. We've got to do more than pull back.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  What do you think we've got to do?

• 18:38Speaker 04

  It's a huge effort. Governments really need to help us out. We can, people are like, oh, what, what help is it of me bringing a plastic bottle everywhere? Or a reusable bottle? The point of anything is that nothing's gonna, no one thing's gonna fix it. Veganism is not gonna fix the environment. Vegetarianism isn't. Just banking with a different bank isn't, petitioning isn't, but all of it together, the idea that a community, like a warlike spirit, because this will be the next big issue for your kids who is coming in as a dog. They're not going to care about Brexit or what wars are going on. This will be, there'll be climate refugees for her age group. These are the issues that are going to be facing

• 19:21Speaker 04

  her when she's doing podcasts at our age. And so it's a multi-pronged approach in terms of who do we bank with, who do we get our money with. Starting to do things are a bit difficult and not nice, but also a general community spirit. So yes, the one tiny thing you're doing might not help, but the idea that we're not all collectively giving up is very important and that we're all in some way giving up something and actively doing something creates a spirit that maybe together we could do it.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's right.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  But one small group screaming and another small group going, oh bloody hell, feck it, is not, we all have to do something.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  You came from a family of how many?

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Three in total.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Three.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  So my mother, my sister and myself, yeah.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Right. And did your mum cook?

• 20:14Speaker 04

  So Mammy, because she was bringing us up on her own, has a sort of interesting culinary tale in that she was a working mother on her own. So all of our, like, today I'm not feeling very well. I had meetings in the morning and then an audition in the afternoon. And when I went home, I had four slices of white toast and spaghetti hoops on toast, with loads of butter. And I was like, oh, this is my happy place. I'm like this. So like tins, freezer, toaster, microwave, those are still the things that are like my, my home cooked feelings. But Mammy also, when she got married, was a jockey, so she was an athlete, and she couldn't boil an egg. So they, but they sent her off to, like...

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Not Ballymaloo?

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Not Ballymaloo, that wasn't around there.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Ballymaloo, yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  Ballymaloo, but not too far off. What's the name for like French cooking, like Cordon Bleu? Like Cordon, so they sent her off to a Cordon Bleu course.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Who sent her off?

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Like, I think maybe my nana gave her a voucher when she got married, like here in a sort of 1980s.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  It's my, your husband.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  You'll have to learn to keep your husband away. But so Mammy... Can just about boil an egg and put things in the freezer. And she'll kill me now she hears this. But also can do about seven dishes of cordon bleu cooking like gratin dauphine wade so really beautifully. So there's a chasm in the in-between bit, but there's. So a lot of like packets and stuff like that. But on the other hand, she does like chicken à la crème and gratin dauphine wade and salmon on croute. And can do these things. But yeah, I remember when we were growing up, she decided to try baking once and she made these scones. And myself and my sister Sinead, our best game was. And who can throw the scone against the wall hard enough to break it? And neither of us won. I think the biggest loser was the wall in the end.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  But yeah, we wouldn't come from a baking family.

• 22:08Jessie Ware?

  Okay, I'm just gonna put it out there.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Yes. Oh, this all looks lovely. Look at, oh my god, have you made accidentally like the Irish flag with the dinner? It's like green, white and orange. Yes, baby.

• 22:18Jessie Ware?

  Look, this is an accident, but like, I, no, look, you said you wanted really healthy, so I've gone. I've, I'm not indulged, babe, like.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  This looks so lovely.

• 22:27Jessie Ware?

  It's kind of, it's very, very healthy. And a bit come down with me now that I'm looking at it.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I, when I graduated from drama school. I didn't have an agent. I just assumed I'd come out and immediately go to Hollywood. And I watched back to back, non-stop Come Down With Me. And I'd say there isn't an episode for the first like five years of Come Down With Me that I haven't seen. I loved it so much. Like I got, yeah, I got really.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Do you like cooking programmes?

• 22:57Speaker 04

  I love, so I haven't seen that much comedy. I don't enjoy watching comedy or it feels like work a lot of the time. Like I watch it and have a lot of, oh, most of my friends are comedians. But I love watching cookery shows, especially if there's a competitive element.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Me too, MasterChef.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  MasterChef, great British menu, bacon.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Love great, I'm sorry. Turn it upside down. You need to take the lid off.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  It's delicious Jessie.

• 23:28Jessie Ware?

  Oh you're sweet.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  I won't have you speak ill of this dinner. It's real nice.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  Because we were going really light. Because you know, we're both trying to be good to ourselves. I've got music video. We're just kind of trying to be good. I, I did, um, uh, I did carrot and sweet.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  That's what it is, it's so lovely.

• 23:45Jessie Ware?

  Carrot and sweet with sweet taste and then I added a little bit of ginger in it. And some, um, orange, uh, ginger.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  Why sweet, do you mean turnip? Is a sweet a turnip?

• 23:53Jessie Ware?

  No, I think they're different, aren't they?

• 23:55Speaker 03

  The bigger one.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  So is a sweet different to a turnip?

• 23:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. I don't know.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Oh, it is, interesting.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  A turnip's a little white one and a sweet is orange in, inside.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I've been calling sweets turnip all my life.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  People do.

• 24:06Jessie Ware?

  They don't make taste the same?

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Oh, no, there's, so turnips are the taste of my childhood. It's the one thing my mammy, my granny would like cook loads of. Bacon cabbage potatoes and turnips. And eating this makes me feel really happy.

• 24:21Jessie Ware?

  Have I asked you what is your go-to dish that you will offer up as, are you a, are you a hostess?

• 24:26Speaker 04

  I love, one of my favourite things in the world, and this is what I miss travelling for work the most, is just having people around my house and having big old dinners. I normally invite three people but accidentally end up inviting 12. Everyone has to sit around with food in their laps. Um, I love having people around. I normally do lots of bits. Uh, I do like my mother taught me a gratin dauphinot. Oh cheesy potatoes lads, who are you gonna call?

• 24:51Jessie Ware?

  Everyone loves it.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Everyone loves it. Um, yeah, I do, I don't necessarily have a go-to thing, I'll do lots of salads. I do do lots of big brunches. So for pride every year, I have a kind of LGBTQ plus breakfast morning before the people go out in March and go to the parade. And that's one of my favourite things. There's a picture I quite like of this year, I spent loads of effort on the breakfast and then finally I sat down, you know in that kind of way the host sits down at the end, it goes, now I'm going to eat my dinner. And I went to tell an anecdote and I flipped my plate onto the cement in my garden. And it's just a really sad but really funny picture that my friend, my best friend Brona took at an opportune time

• 25:32Speaker 04

  where I've just got a really sad face and a giant pink, uh, come out to support LGBTQ plus t-shirt with this plate of eggs upside down on the floor.

• 25:41Jessie Ware?

  I wanna know about stand-up because it just seems like the most petrifying thing to me. I'm not a comedian, so that's probably why, but like, the idea of just...

• 25:52Jessie Ware?

  Presenting yourself to, maybe, maybe I'm thinking in the wrong way, but like a skeptical crowd, or like, or maybe they're quite up for it if they're going to see comedy.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Do you know what?

• 26:01Jessie Ware?

  But are they, do you not feel like they're sitting there being like, come on then, make me laugh?

• 26:05Speaker 04

  No, generally people want to have a good time, they'll always be that idiot. I think that's the fear mentality that people who hate public speaking have. So apparently Jerry Seinfeld has a bit about how people's number one fear is public speaking and people's number two fear is dying. So, which means that people would rather be dead at a funeral than have to speak at one. And like, that's, and that's Jerry Seinfeld's bit, not mine. But it's funny when something isn't scary to you, like I have never done sport, I cannot imagine what it would be like to go out on grass and have to like, put your foot against a ball with the knowledge it's going to get into a net with loads of people watching you.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  That to me would be like, oh, something would go, surely, no way, what, ah? But for me, I've always spoken that, like, I mean, it's not exactly like, you're like, oh, Ashlyn, you're stuck for chat at the moment. Like, it's, it's not the biggest transference of what's already there.

• 27:00Jessie Ware?

  When did you start stand up? Was it, because you were acting, because I mean, we, I, I'm not, I'm not gonna lie, like, I didn't, I've kind of forgot that you were in the fall.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  We didn't know.

• 27:10Jessie Ware?

  As the nurse, Nurse Keillor.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  But you, you fancied him, didn't you?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  As in my character?

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  No, we had, I think that's what people wanted to say.

• 27:18Jessie Ware?

  I can't see Jamie Dornan.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  It was, my character was more obsessive in a religious way. I think there was like a religious obsessive thing that he'd come back and the, the idea that you could save somebody, that you could be reformed and that sort of religious element to someone that's like, oh, you could be, what if you've done something so awful, but the near death experience has changed you? Could you be reformed at that sort of interest? And, so that was a sort of like, odd vibe to the old nurse. And, but people really got into that character and it's funny because.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  You are gonna have some cheese on.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Please.

• 27:50Jessie Ware?

  You don't have to, that was like aggressively put, mother.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  I just love cheese.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  I am always intrigued by the fact that fruit and cheese work so well together.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Isn't it?

• 28:00Speaker 03

  I can cut you an apple up if you want.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Do you know what I would love an apple and cheese? One of my favourite things my aunt ever cooked was, you know, you know toasties, cheese toasty makers?

• 28:10Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  She makes, so she puts butter on the outside of both sides of the bread, obviously. Then inside butter as well, and then inside she puts cheese, which will melt. But also apples. So she puts apples into the toasty. So when you cushion inside, you've got a hot apple, which is like a chutney essentially.

• 28:29Jessie Ware?

  Like a McDonald's apple pie.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a savoury one.

• 28:32Jessie Ware?

  You spend your time between New York, LA, London. You're an international gal. Some of your favourite restaurants in those places.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Oh, in London, it's a place called La Per- or Perilla. And I actually found a place, it's great in Stoke Newington. And I found it because your man, the direct, uh, the, I'm pretty sure he's called Ben, um, was on Great British Menu. And I liked the stuff he was making. I was like, oh my god, it's near my house, because that's not far from where I live. And so I went up and there, they always give me bread and butter now when I go. And it's like fresh seaweed sourdough and the butter is whipped. So it's almost like it's caramelised and whipped, but it's almost like it's. It's sugary.

• 29:11Jessie Ware?

  No, I know. It's so good. New York, LA, do you need some?

• 29:15Speaker 04

  Oh, New York, I mean, New York, just everywhere is great to eat. The thing I miss, so when I was doing Living With Yourself, which is a Paul Rudd show. Um, I was living in New York and the one thing I miss is home cooking. Because everyone is, pays such high rents, even the richest people don't have really big houses. So the wealthy, famous celebs still have relatively humble houses comparative to London or is, or LA or anything like that. And so no one really, there isn't a culture of going around to people's houses for roasts or taking your shoes off and just eating with people. And I really miss doing that and living that. Um, so, but the plus side is everyone eats out all the time and the restaurants and takeaways are amazing.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Um, I did go, there's this bar I really liked at the West Village called The Hudson Hound, which my friends run. And that like had proper like Irish food, which I really missed. Um, but also where was, where did we go? Oh, I feel like just everywhere was great. So it's hard to sort of pin down one place. But it was the, the cooking element I did miss in New York. Um.

• 30:20Jessie Ware?

  LA?

• 30:21Speaker 04

  LA, there's a, um, a Spanish or Mexican restaurant called Gracias Madre.

• 30:26Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Which is a vegan veggie place that you would actually like it. You'd be like, did I not have meat? Really?

• 30:31Jessie Ware?

  When we were at Benny's?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 30:34Jessie Ware?

  Great. The coconut bacon.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, all of this stuff and I love that. But yeah, generally. Mexican food in LA is so tasty because there's such a large Mexican community there.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Don't you think epois is the most delicious cheese?

• 30:48Speaker 04

  Is that what I'm eating? I can't stop.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  It's my new favourite cheese.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  Oh, what is it?

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Epois.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  No, it isn't darling. No, it's pois.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Is that the brand or is that the type of cheese?

• 31:06Speaker 03

  The type of cheese.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Oh, like a brie. It's an epois.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  An epois. It's so delicious.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Oh, man, I can't.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  I know, it's just the best cheese.

• 31:15Speaker 04

  Guilty pleasure food.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  I think we know.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  Spaghetti hoops, maybe. That's not guilty enough. You know, I don't really. I don't like, I believe in health and nourishing yourself, but I don't feel like attaching guilt to food and stuff like that because I'm like, oh. Let's, you know, uh, what do you eat that you're just like, this is, what do I eat that is not good for me? It's probably drink, it's probably alcohol. And what do you drink? I love all drinks, except for champagne or cava. That makes me get really sick. Don't like fizzy stuff because I've got a naturally bubbly personality, you see, so it just overcompensates. It tips me over the edge.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  So white or red wine?

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Uh, both. White wine does make me a bit like, do you know what I have a secret about and I'm not allowed to tell anyone? So I try to avoid white wine. Um, red wine I really like. I love whisky, all sorts.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Irish whisky.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Irish whisky I love, Jameson's, oh my god, the nicest whisky is Dingle whisky. Oh, Dingle's so nice. Dingle's the best place in the world. So my dad was from Dingle and I got, um, I got a hamper sent to me with some Dingle vodka in it. I was like, what? Dingle vodka? Vodka made in Ireland? Come on, lads. And their gin has been recently voted like the best in Europe. But they sent over my sister, uh, for the bar, because it's from where my dad is from, for the bar for her wedding. My sister had, um, so, uh, she's Irish and her husband is British Indian. So they had like an Irish-British-Indian wedding, all sustainable. So they had like veggie curries on banana leaves and all this.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Oh, amazing.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  Amazing, but the food was Indian and so delicious. And then the bar was Irish, so it was like stocked out with dingle, eh, gin and vodka. But their whisky, they sent over one like fifteen year number. Oh, it was like drinking a hot chocolate. It was just a little delicious. I can still taste it now because I just had some in my little cup. I know what you're doing.

• 33:12Jessie Ware?

  Um. What, speaking about your sister, your sister was involved in Little Women.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Yes, she is the assistant costume designer. Yeah.

• 33:19Jessie Ware?

  Did she do costume, did you have costumes in This Way Up?

• 33:23Speaker 04

  She's a designer of costumes, yeah. So she went from, so Sinead was in Boston doing Little Women. While I was in New York doing Living With Yourself, which was really special that she was there.

• 33:33Jessie Ware?

  That's amazing.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  And then we both came back to film my show and she designed my show. So a lot of the colours and aesthetic to it are all down to Sinead. But yeah, my little sister is absolutely brilliant. And actually, Indian food's become a big part of our life now because of Mads's, uh, my brother in law's mother is an amazing cook. And so his aunt, um, she lives in India, but his aunt is also an amazing cook and we go down to her a lot. Um, in a place.

• 33:57Jessie Ware?

  And are they veggie?

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Mads's mum is and Sinead mostly is as well, almost like me. So they would lean that way. So Mads grew up with a lot of, um, Indian food that was veggie. So it's very easy for him to sort of live like Sinead's thing, but every now and again, he'd have like a big smokehouse steak and stuff like that.

• 34:14Jessie Ware?

  Was, um, your sister Sharon in This Way Up's kind of, um, relationship and his family based around?

• 34:22Speaker 04

  It wasn't, again, nothing is. It's a fictional show.

• 34:25Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  So it's not based on my life, but then there are elements that I'm inspired by and I'm like, oh, wow, yeah. Why wouldn't the family be Indian? And also it's a family I don't get to see a lot on TV. So I don't get to see my brother in law's family on TV. And by his family, I don't mean his literal family.

• 34:41Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Um, Indian fam, British Indian families, of which there are many gorgeous families. And I like the idea of like the Irish Indian connection and us all getting to know each other's cultures. And so stuff like that becomes a thing, but then you start making other characters and other people in different things and. You know, I mean, the one thing that's definitely in it is that like Madav does make his own sourdough. So in episode one, there's a bit where Vish is making sourdough and that's absolutely mad. Um, but, uh, yeah, so, uh, that's become a lot more part of what we eat and love. And my mom just went out to India, um, this year over Christmas, um, for the first time. And, you know, we were like, Irish people are not good with spice. Like, I remember one time my mother going, jeez, that soup's very spicy.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  What's in that? And it was a tomato mazel soup and the spice was pepper. I was like, oh, hold on, I need a bit of yogurt now or something. Um, so we were all a bit nervous, mommy going to India and she just fell in love with it. She just felt so healthy. She just such a glow about her. And it is, I love the idea of everyone just integrating with each other's cultures. And there's bits for us all to take in at the bottom of it all is people having a laugh and, and, and, and coming together around a table just like this. And food is a gorgeous way to connect people. And at Sinead's wedding, for example, they had some bamboo cutlery, but mostly it was like eating with your hands, traditional, uh, Indian style eating with your hands. And, you know, we were all like, oh, a lot of the Irish aunties and uncles are coming. And if you're not nervous, people are grand.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  No one's ever like too old to be like, I couldn't manage that or that's not what I'm used to. It's great crack to try something new and everyone just got involved because it was a different type of wedding and it was unique to Madav and Sinead and it was just a gorgeous day where you had all of these like Irish aunties and uncles who would have been meat and two potatoes, uh, and maybe a bit of vegetables, but one of the vegetables was probably also potatoes. Um, just eating, uh, on a banana leaf with their hands. And it's just like, yeah, of course, it's just like get involved. So I, that was a gorgeous food day in my life.

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• 37:26Jessie Ware?

  Do you eat the plane food?

• 37:29Speaker 04

  As in, food on a plane?

• 37:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, sorry, sorry.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I thought it was quite a like, the plane food.

• 37:34Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no. I love plane food.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  As in aeroplane food?

• 37:39Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's so exciting.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  So I guess, I still get a thing about hotels and aeroplane food, where there's still an element of excitement, childhood excitement. And even though if you were to take aeroplane food out of an aeroplane, you'd be like, what is this bullshit? Where am I? Prison? When you're actually on an aeroplane, the little, oh, little things. I really still enjoy that, little bot here, little bot there, I'm in there, there's a video. Yeah, I still get, I always eat everything.

• 38:08Jessie Ware?

  And what's your room service choice? Because you know, you said that you've been living in hotels, like.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the one thing I got really, so I was doing a movie, which is when I was doing a free dependo in Italy. And I was like, oh my god, you were living in Rome for six weeks, oh my god. But I was living in Rome in a hotel for six weeks in like the Oxford Circus of Rome. Or like the Times Square of New York. And there's only so many evenings you can watch or eat from the room service menu. And it's all pasta, that's where, remember when I said to you when you text, I was like, I can't really do any more pasta? And there is such amazing Italian food, but... I think for me pasta always reminds me of university and non-stop eating pasta and pesto and tomatoes and that's the only thing we would eat.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  And so for me, that much pasta, and again, being in Rome where they're like, hi, I'm trying not to eat that much dairy or wheat at the moment, they're like, what else is there? It was like having none of it. And so my favourite place in Rome was a sushi restaurant right beside the hotel, I know the two of you.

• 39:14Jessie Ware?

  You've changed babe.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  I loved it so much. And with myself and Eleanor Tomlinson, who's the flame-haired beauty in Poldark, she's in the movie as well, and we would go to this sushi restaurant almost every night because there was one sushi roll that had little bits of chips on top of it. And I was like, oh my god, it's sushi but with chips, what could be, what could be better? And we made the same joke every night, we'd open the door and be like, who went in Rome? And went into our sushi restaurant.

• 39:42Jessie Ware?

  What, um, what would be your last supper? You start a main, put and drink of choice.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  So, is it desert, so I have two questions for you please before I answer. Is it desert island or is it like I'm about to die tomorrow?

• 39:59Jessie Ware?

  It's whatever you would prefer. Well, it's whatever you prefer, whatever's gonna make a better gag, Aisling.

• 40:05Speaker 04

  Interesting, a better gag, oh, well, those of my death will make me gag. I, um, think it'll be some sort of potato, without a doubt.

• 40:14Jessie Ware?

  That's the starter?

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Starter will be some kind of like, eh, I think maybe like chopped up tuna or like, um, like a taco, like a fish taco. I love a good fish taco or like, um.

• 40:26Jessie Ware?

  Not a sashimi, what's the other?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  You know that, um, poke, eh, is it poke?

• 40:31Jessie Ware?

  No, there's poke, but then there's also.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  Oh, ceviche.

• 40:33Jessie Ware?

  No, there's the other one that you love. Tuna tartare? Tuna tartare?

• 40:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, tuna tartare, but I think, I think it's ceviche or poke, I like things dressed in a bit of a dressing, that's my like yum yum yum yum. A little bit of, oh, bonjour citrus.

• 40:48Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Then for mains, even though I don't eat meat, if it's my gonna die meal.

• 40:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  It will be my granny's bacon cabbage potatoes and turnip.

• 40:59Jessie Ware?

  Oh, lovely.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  Um, and that would be the way my granny did it. I presume the overarching flavour is salt. It threw out everything. If you're looking for like, what are the notes left on your palate? That is salt. And she used to like cook the cabbage afterwards in the bacon water. So you get like the kind of salt in the cabbage. Mash with a shed load of butter and pepper.

• 41:22Jessie Ware?

  You don't fry the bacon, you cook it in water?

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, boiled bacon.

• 41:25Jessie Ware?

  Ooh.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, boiled bacon. Yeah, kind of like gammon, but proper, like almost like more like a Christmas ham.

• 41:31Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  So they would boil it and then put it in the oven and then get the crispy thing on the top. So I would probably, if it's my last day on earth, have my granny's bacon cabbage potato and turnip mashed turnip.

• 41:41Jessie Ware?

  Condiment, do you need it? Mustard? Would you never? No, it's just, you don't do that.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  So that's the thing, you just mash, it's a sort of condiment. I suppose the mashiness of the butter.

• 41:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, amazing. And what would be your drink?

• 41:53Speaker 04

  What would be my drink would be maybe an espresso martinis, so I can wait up to see the apocalypse. Um, so I'll definitely not fall asleep. Um.

• 42:02Jessie Ware?

  Pudding?

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Dessert would be a really rich chocolate mousse with a raspberry.

• 42:08Jessie Ware?

  Cooley.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Cooley, or else maybe a pecan slice.

• 42:12Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yes.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  And you know what I realised recently? And I was really delighted with myself. Like when you discover that you genuinely like celery, you're like, oh god, this is great. Not many people genuinely like it and here I am eating it. Um, I realised my favourite bit of the pecan slices is roast pecans. And the other day I got a load of pecans, fire them into the oven and now they're just my little nibble around the house. Pecans unroasted are not that nice. But put them in the oven. Tasty, tasty. It brings out the sort of like.

• 42:37Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I get that.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Quality of them.

• 42:39Jessie Ware?

  Also, spending time like. I talk about this a lot, but I'm obsessed with Gilmore Girls.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 42:45Jessie Ware?

  And I'm imagining like your time in Boston and New York and you're having a pecan pie, a little slice, maybe. Hanging out in Connecticut.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  I really used to love the Gilmore Girls growing up because again, it was a family that didn't look like any other family. And I loved the idea that it was a mother and a girl and that sort of almost sister, almost like we're all learning this at the same time. Family structure was just a real relief to see and myself, Mammy and Sinead would watch that together. That was the thing we watched together and it was like watching, oh, imagine a family of just women where it's almost like there are no roles. We're just the three of us trying to work out what the world is together. Cause we also lived out in the countryside, so it's not like there was like, and we have a huge extended family. Mammy's got loads of sisters and stuff like that.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  And I have another two aunts on my dad's side as well, who were a bit of like the village raising you, but they weren't living right beside us or anything. And the idea was like the, the same with Little Women, the movie, like the fact that Sinead was working on it was so emotional for us. Because that was another thing that felt like us, like it was just a mother and daughters and sisters. And that's kind of. When you talk about what part of my show is fiction or not, for me, it's just the essence of sisters and family and siblings together. And a different type of family structure and the language between them. And that, that for me is where I, I love writing and finding with people, but Little Women as well, Little Women and, and the Gilmore Girls. They were our, oh, that looks a bit like us. That's our world, you know, and there's no dad walking in going, honey, I'm home.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Or, oh dad, you're so funny or any of that, which was just a foreign concept to us. So that I always loved.

• 44:26Jessie Ware?

  What, are, are you writing at the moment? Are you always writing?

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm always writing, uh, with the hope of a series two and then also a film I'm writing at the moment. Um, I find writing is my hardest, loneliest job and I don't necessarily love it.

• 44:42Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  Um, I hate being on my own quite a lot. And even though like Sharon's an amazing producer and like everyone who gives the notes are great. They're all over email predominantly. And I find that really lonely, rather than I'm much better when I have someone in a room. Cause it's just, humans aren't supposed to be on our own hermits. It doesn't do our um mental health any good. It doesn't, to look at people in the eye when you're talking or get feedback is everything.

• 45:07Jessie Ware?

  I can't stand being on my.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't mind my own company, living wise and even in relationships, being independent. Working on my own without someone to throw something, it's so. And I think with um writing, when I, if I write on my own for stand up, that evening I'll be able to give it to someone or show it to someone. With writing, like I wrote my show, like a year and a half ago. And you only got to see it like a couple of months ago. Like it takes ages before anyone gets to see or enjoy your work. And I don't write it for myself, you write it for other people to watch. And that's the very lonely bit. I found that incredibly lonely, writing the show. So a bit of me is like, oh no, do I go back into that now? Aye, aye, aye. You get a little bit nervous.

• 45:49Jessie Ware?

  Right. I mean, well, I'm sure there will, will be a second. And, and the film?

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Film is an idea I've had for ages. Uh, kind of, I'm working on that with a production company at the moment, but that's something I want to write. It's been an idea swirling around for ages.

• 46:03Jessie Ware?

  But you're, you're busy, but that's how you like it?

• 46:06Speaker 04

  I do. I have a circus-y sort of lifestyle.

• 46:08Jessie Ware?

  Of course, well, thanks for fitting us in.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, no, God, God, I've really managed to make it like, guys, I've just swung in.

• 46:14Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no, but.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  You had just come from an audition, by the way, like, and you'd come and like. But this is a joy. Also, to be cooked for is such a special thing by a little mommy and daughter welcoming into your home.

• 46:26Jessie Ware?

  Nothing today.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  You really embarrassed yourself. You didn't answer me at the door. You came downstairs three minutes late after I was here. I'd already had my wee and taken my jacket off. And my shoes and socks. You didn't even kiss me.

• 46:37Jessie Ware?

  I let myself down.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  You really did.

• 46:39Jessie Ware?

  But you did put lipium.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I put lipium.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  You did.

• 46:42Jessie Ware?

  Um, uh, lastly, uh, your karaoke song, please, Ashlyn.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  Oh, my karaoke song. Now, here's a little bit of my problem with karaoke. I believe that we get to perform for a living and we are so lucky to get to do it. And I believe that karaoke should be kept for people. Who don't get to perform for a living.

• 46:59Jessie Ware?

  Agree.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  And sometimes when I go to karaoke with other actors and singers.

• 47:04Jessie Ware?

  You're like, bore off.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed. Bring me Ohio, oh, and you're like, all right, mate, we've all been to school. You know, it's just a bit. I think it should be for out of tune people who are like. Oh, I'm loving angels instead. And I'm like, yes, today is your five minutes. Own it.

• 47:23Jessie Ware?

  I agree.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  I mean, I do like Wrecking Ball by Miley Cyrus. I think as I'm Irish, I like to do the like, um, you know, Sinead O'Connor style, like.

• 47:35Jessie Ware?

  You did that really well in This Way Up with the cranberries.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:38Jessie Ware?

  That was incredible.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  That was very joyous for myself and Sharon to sing. And people keep on tagging us doing that at karaoke now and adding us in. And there's like, we really, like, we cracked each other up doing that so much because we really wanted to come across as great singers. And a bit of us were like, oh, people will find us funny, but they also might ask us to be professional singers after it. Like, because we were so arrogant.

• 47:58Jessie Ware?

  It was really good. It was really, really good.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  But that, um, anything where there's a bit of.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  I like singing, you know, Wrecking Ball or.

• 48:06Jessie Ware?

  Diana Vickers.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Nothing compares. Diana Vickers.

• 48:08Jessie Ware?

  She was pretty good at that, wasn't she?

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Like that sort of stuff.

• 48:12Jessie Ware?

  Um, Aisling, you've been.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Fabulous.

• 48:15Jessie Ware?

  Everything and more.

• 48:16Speaker 04

  What a joy.

• 48:17Jessie Ware?

  Um, I, I'd love you to just come back every time you need a home cooked meal, to be honest.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 48:23Jessie Ware?

  And, um, thanks so much. And I can't wait for This Way Up to come back because it needs to. Because it was such an important, uh, piece of work. So thank you.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  I might have a little cry now.

• 48:47Jessie Ware?

  She is really one of the most funny people, I think, ever.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  She's very funny.

• 48:50Jessie Ware?

  Everything has, like, she lands every sentence with.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  It's timing, isn't it, with comedy?

• 48:58Jessie Ware?

  Aisling has just announced a UK tour, Older Than Jesus. And, uh, she's also had a baby in the last year. And so congratulations. And I will be going to see her show. I think she's playing in London and Walthamstow, but there's loads of tour dates. Um, but I will be going, I think it's in February in 2026. So go and get some tickets.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Thank you for listening and we'll serve you another helping up next week.

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