“The Towers Went Poof” - Dr. Judy Wood: 9/11, Twin Towers Collapse & Direct Energy Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 651

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Dr. Judy Wood to examine her explosive claim that the Twin Towers “went poof” — exploring her direct-energy-weapon theory, the forensic evidence she points to, and the criticism from skeptics and engineers who call the idea implausible. ------ Ⓜ️ JOIN THE PBD PODCAST CIRCLES COMMUNITY: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:56Patrick Bet-David?

  The book is titled Where Did the Towers Go? And it's very thorough, very detailed. What do you think happened to the towers?

• 1:06Speaker 03

  This didn't look like they collapsed. This doesn't make sense. Mine insane, or is the rest of the world insane?

• 1:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you claim?

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before.

• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  What they were doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down on the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt.

• 1:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there?

• 1:30Speaker 03

  I've got pictures of the dirt trucks bringing dirt in.

• 1:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe they're comfortable with this theory.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  It's not a theory. I just talk about evidence.

• 1:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What would be someone's motive to do what they did to 9/11?

• 1:41Speaker 03

  9/11 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 9/11, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They hear something, oh, okay. People don't know what they're looking at. This Bible is there.

• 1:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This Bible on the rock?

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56Patrick Bet-David?

  The Bible didn't burn?

• 1:57Speaker 03

  Right, and it has formerly liquid metal fused to the page.

• 2:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're wondering how he put it up there?

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm not wondering.

• 2:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how he did it?

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 2:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 2:33Speaker 04

  My son's right there.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 2:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, I think if you're like me, there's one event that we all remember we were at the last thirty years, and that's 9/11. I remember where I was at. And I was working at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. I'm on the eighth floor, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Glendale. And then all of a sudden, news comes out, "Oh my god, what's happened in 9/11?" First plane hit, second one we see hit live, and then the rest of this chaos go home. It's insanity. Fast forward. We had 9/11, we celebrated the anniversary of it four days ago, okay? Which is now twenty-four years, it feels like it was yesterday, right? And as you go through this, it never gets old for me to want to keep learning more and more about what happened there.

• 3:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Most important thing is, we got 2,753 victims who are no longer with us, of which 1,653 have been identified. The other 1,140% till today, Dr. Judy Wood, have not been identified, right? So, if that's my son, if that's my family friend, anybody that's emotionally connected to me, I want to find out what happened to them. So now, fast forward today. Today, we have you on, Dr. Judy Wood. Your background, when I look at your background, okay?

• 3:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You got a BS in civil engineering, 1981, structural engineering. Masters in engineering mechanics, applied physics. Then you got a PhD from Virginia Tech, professor, mechanical engineer. And you've done a bunch of different things, you know, your research, all these other things that you've done. Forensic study, over forty thousand images on 9/11, what happened to it. And you have your own opinion on what happened there. I've had Richard Gage on in the past before. We've had certain guests on in the past that we got a strike for on YouTube. 9/11 World Trade Center, the towers, what happened to it? We got a strike for it. But with that being said, it's great to have you on the podcast today.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here.

• 4:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, and I think the audience who is also curious with this topic, our audience is generally very curious. They want to know what you think about it. So let me kind of walk through some of the options and you tell me what you think happened to World Trade Center. Maybe give a little bit about your background, if you don't mind.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  I would like to start out by saying when something like this happens, something this big, there are always three narratives that come out.

• 4:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  The first one is the official story.

• 4:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Second one is the official conspiracy theory.

• 4:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Or a few alternatives. Third thing is the truth. And the best way to cover it up is to keep people arguing between the first two. Round and round and round and round, so they forget to look at the evidence.

• 5:06Patrick Bet-David?

  How, you think we're at three yet or we're not there yet?

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Um, I've only looked at evidence.

• 5:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You've looked at evidence?

• 5:13Speaker 03

  That's all I look at, is evidence.

• 5:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So then let me do this, because for, for all of us that are still trying to find out what happened to this, you know, this is just an event that happened all of a sudden, boom, let's move on. Don't worry about it, don't look over there, right? We've all seen the documentaries, the movies, all of it. So some say planes brought them down. Okay, some claims are what people say. Number two is controlled demolition, thermite, you've heard about this, Richard Gere explosive. Three is missile, military planes. Four is directed energy weapon, which is one of your claims.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  No, no, it's not a claim.

• 5:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to hear, I want to hear what you have to say. Then another one, smaller one, mini-nuke hypothesis, inside insurance job and structural weaknesses. What do you think happened to the towers?

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Well, if you want to, you know, you keep people arguing round and round and round about theories. And if somebody doesn't have a theory, somebody assigns them one. And if you want to bring out the truth and somebody doesn't want it to come out, what's the best way to cover up irrefutable evidence?

• 6:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  You call it a theory. And then you mutate it some, and then, oh, she talks about space beams, or she talks about hurricane powering the space beams. They have various things that get propagated around the internet. Pretty soon, people don't read my book and they don't even know what's in it. But they go that route. What my book really is designed to do is to train people or retrain them.

• 6:37Patrick Bet-David?

  May I show the book so the audience knows? The book is titled Where Did the Towers Go? Okay? And it's very thorough, very detailed. So, you know...

• 6:45Speaker 03

  It's empirical evidence.

• 6:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, empirical evidence. So, maybe walk through, you know, what you think happened there. Just assume no one's heard you lecture on this before. Walk me through what you believe happened there.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  But it is important to realize that people tend to jump on whatever they hear first. They don't know the difference between evidence and conspiracy theory. They don't know what, how to sort through it. And what I'd often, when I would be teaching experimental work, is to stress to the students, collect all the data you can. You don't have to use it all, but you can't use data you don't have. So, okay, let's look at everything. And maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't. Just because I have collected doesn't mean it's connected to this, that, and the other. And look at phenomenons that you understand and ones you don't. Another way of blinding yourself, sort of a double-blind study,

• 7:41Speaker 03

  just to look at reality rather than immediately jumping to a conclusion. If you saw a hazy environment above the ground, a lot of people call it smoke. Well, then you're already assuming fire is the cause. But that's biasing your observation. So, let's bring up a new vocabulary. I call it fumes. Could be chemical fumes, could be particulate, who knows? It is not defined, just like dustification.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Let's see, a lot of people say it's evaporation. Well, evaporation implies high heat. We don't have proof of that. Crushing or pulverization, that's a mechanical force. They're making assumptions with those words. So if we start out with a new vocabulary, we can observe the physical phenomenon going on.

• 8:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  And that really helps to see what is there. One short story I'd like to put out is, early on, I had an artist write to me, so delighted that somebody was talking about what happened. And he explained why he could see it. He said, "In art class, a teacher taught him this discipline of seeing what's there by having like a wooden shelf where you couldn't see your hands. And drawing, under that wooden shelf, draw what's over there. You can't see your hands, so you have to look at the image and, what distance do I pick up the pencil and put it back down? So you see the relationship of everything in the picture, instead of just assuming what's... And I thought that was brilliant. It's a neat discipline. So to be able to do that with making observations,

• 9:18Speaker 03

  that's why I come up with this vocabulary. Like Cheetos, tortilla chips. You aren't going to confuse the debris with food. And, but it, you know...

• 9:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we do this? Because I want to organize you, is what I want to do. Because when you're a genius like you, your brain is all over the place. My job is to try to deliver your message to a sixth grader, where they walk away, and you're speaking right now so far as if you're speaking to your own audience. So don't worry about the audience, don't even look at your notes. I want to get the information from you. Don't look at your notes, I want you to be with me. You're speaking to a regular audience that's not out of your community.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:56Patrick Bet-David?

  These are regular people like me. They don't have the degrees. They haven't gone and done the applying your expertise in material science, image analysis, and infra- inframetry to a forensic study of over 40,000 images, hundreds of video clips, a large volume of witness testimony, analysis of dust samples, seismic data, and the analysis of other environmental evidence painting to the destruction of the World Trade Center complex. People haven't done that. The average person hasn't... ...gone and filed a suit against the NIST contractors, right? Where alleging scientific fraud in the World Trade Center investigation. Later on, the case was dismissed, but the Second Circuit affirmed and the US Supreme Court docket shows your petition, which is the number 09 slash dash 548.

• 10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The average person hasn't gone that far to find the truth. What I want you to do is maybe walk us through simply. 9/11 World Trade Center happens, okay? A person like yourself, where your background is in what you do. What was your initial reaction? When did you become curious to want to investigate your own thing? And what were some of the things that happened afterwards?

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Okay, thanks. The thing that I'm trying to emphasize is most people, when they see something, they may not see what's really there. How do you get yourself to see what is really there?

• 11:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you stay with me and just stay with me? Just do me a favor.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what this is about, is seeing what's in the picture.

• 11:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that. What I'm saying to you is, you're speaking to a regular audience, Dr. Judy. I want you to think. I just asked you, 9/11 happened, 2001. The world says, "Oh, my God, weapons of mass destruction were attacked. George Bush, we're going. I'm going to join the military." Right?

• 11:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the first reaction you had when you saw World Trade Center happen? What was your first reaction, from your lens, how you view it?

• 11:44Speaker 03

  This doesn't make sense. I was in the faculty conference room. They're showing this video on the TV set. I looked at it and went, you know, they called it a collapse, and I'm thinking, what does a collapse look like? It was kind of like an avalanche. You know, this part gets going, and it gets this part going, and more and more and more, and pretty soon the whole thing's going. It doesn't go one, two, three, poof. This didn't look like a collapse. It's squirting up and out, it looks more like a drinking fountain, you know, bubbler. And I looked around the faculty conference room and kind of like, you guys aren't buying this, or what kind of a wacko would we hire? That was a very weird feeling. Am I insane, or is the rest of the world insane?

• 12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is what you're telling me? This is what all of us saw?

• 12:27Speaker 03

  Yep. And you can follow some of those pieces coming down, and they dissolve before they hit the ground.

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• 13:38Speaker 03

  The traffic lights, you can still see.

• 13:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go from the beginning, Rob? The first 10 seconds?

• 13:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is where a Richard Gage and many from his community will say, "This was an explosion." Thermite, right? Instead of maybe other claims. You're seeing this, you say, "I don't believe what they're saying." What next necessary steps do you take to get to your conclusion?

• 14:15Speaker 03

  It's not a collapse. A collapse is a kinetic energy driving it, you know, you have something slamming to the ground. All right, let's go look at the seismic signal. If all that building got cut up by bombs or gravity collapsed, it's going to be whacking to the ground. There is no discernible S or P wave in the seismic signal, only a surface wave. Which is what you get, like, when you get off your mattress in the morning. It recovers. Your weight comes back up. There's no impact, like hitting a tuning fork. Or, you know, snap a rubber band? That's what the P wave should be. And it's the first signal to arrive at the seismic station, followed by the S wave. And the delay of those two is how they calculate the distance from the epicenter.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  I think people have heard that a lot. But there was no S wave or P wave. The signal did not travel through the earth. It was only a surface wave. And the surface wave was not appropriate size. It was very small magnitude. Comparing to the Kingdome and some other things. Kingdome is like one thirtieth. That's three zero, one thirtieth. But made equal or more of a seismic signal. Or the equivalent on the Richter scale. They calculate by the surface wave. So using the surface wave of the towers compared to the surface wave of the Kingdome. It was the same. The towers were the same or less.

• 15:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So what does that mean to you?

• 15:45Speaker 03

  Something isn't right here. And then later realized if King Kong picked up the towers, chucked them into outer space, it would do the same thing with the surface wave. Because the weight was coming off the ground and the surface was bouncing back up like you get off your mattress in the morning. So if you had bombs in the building or gravity collapse, whatever, that stuff's gonna, this stuff's gonna hit the pavement. Well, let's go look at what's out there. What? No debris? There's vehicles parked at street level that are there after the towers go poof. See, I don't use the word collapse. That's got message to it. They say go poof, it went away. The towers went poof.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  Couple hours later, there's a picture I have of an ambulance parked in front of Tower One. It's right at street level. Yeah, there's some stuff here and there, but nothing what you expect. And some people say, well, you know, exploded outward and got shot out. Well, then the adjacent buildings should look kind of machine gun fired. They don't.

• 16:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You're talking about which building is that? You're talking about the Banker Trust Building?

• 17:01Speaker 03

  All of them around.

• 17:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you get these towers and squash them down, like you're stepping on a soda pop can to collapse it, there's stuff inside that would have. Or if you have explosions inside, they're launching stuff outward. Because if it's not there when the towers are gone, where to go? To dust. Almost all the building turned to dust.

• 17:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's the phrase you use is dustification?

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yep. We need a word for that.

• 17:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So what causes the event of dustification to happen?

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Well, you know, you look at lots of different pieces of evidence, but you start realizing that the pieces broke down more and more. There's a picture of a guy coming home. It's between the, the south tower was the first to go poof, then the north tower went poof. Halfway between those two, at 10:15, you can see the clock behind the guy. Guy's walking down the street, dust all over the place, perfectly clear from his knees up, but from his knees down is this haze. That's, how could that fine of dust settle out of the air in that amount of time? And I realized, and it's consistent with other images, that coarse dust landed and then turned into fine dust.

• 18:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  And then, you know, stayed, you know, aloft for a long period of time. So there's some kind of mechanism that's causing the material to come apart more and more and more, down the atomic, down to the atomic level.

• 18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  What causes that to happen?

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Well, let's first look at just the evidence. It's hard to jump from there to the conclusion. And you start looking at more and more of the things. And what I have in here is evidence, direct evidence and parallel evidence. The parallel evidence is like a tornado. Let's look at what tornadoes do. The, my favorite picture is, is this one, or video, is this tornado in Texas about 10 years ago. The roof has gone off his house. But the, the top floor, the computer paper is neatly stacked up, untouched, big screen television. How does that happen? It wasn't wind that did that. And, and other parts, you've seen tornadoes,

• 19:15Speaker 03

  it's just something totally is destroyed. There's some kind of a mechanism, that a field effect that causes this. You can't tell me wind did that.

• 19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, let's do this. When did you write this book? Fifteen years ago, right? Two thousand and ten, I wanna say?

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Well, before, and that, actually, that contains the evidence that was submitted in the federal KTM case. But I put it in a more organized fashion.

• 19:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, but when was this book published? Is it two thousand and ten?

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's fifteen years ago, right?

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And when did you start researching what happened to nine eleven? When did you fully take a deep dive saying, "I wanna find out what happened here"?

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Um, the deep dive, well, I thought at first that the grownups were gonna take care of it. I was naive. And, um, then there's also the involvement of the two thousand election. They said they were gonna fix it next time. They couldn't fix this one. And, and the two thousand and four election, it was even worse. I went, "Well, the grownups didn't fix that. They're not gonna fix this nine eleven problem. Somebody's gotta do it."

• 20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So when'd you start? Four, oh, four?

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yep.

• 20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's say two thousand and four. Two thousand, if I was to get obsessed, and my background, if I am a, you know, bachelor's in civil engineering, and master's in engineering mechanics, applied physics, PhD in material engineering science, this is your world, right? And that's in nineteen ninety-two when you got your PhD, which is nine years before nine eleven. So it's peak of the peak of the peak, right? Things that you've done. And, all of a sudden, nine eleven happens, till oh, four, nothing takes place, election, you know, Al Gore, Bush, "All right, they're not gonna touch this either. Let me go investigate this." You do six years, you write this book. Then you put this in the world, and I'm assuming probably hundreds of thousands of copies have been sold, people have read this all over the world, right?

• 20:58Patrick Bet-David?

  When you write a book like this, you're gonna get feedback from others, who are gonna question you, "That's not true, this is this." People from the FBI are gonna reach you, insiders are gonna reach you, other engineers are gonna reach out to you, people that were internally who lost a family or relative. I'm assuming you've gotten thousands and thousands of emails over the years, right? Of people that wanna reach out to you. Then this becomes a question. From two thousand and ten that you wrote it till today, okay? These are your claims, where did the towers go? Poof, dustification.

• 21:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you made any progress on what you believe actually caused the 9/11 events? The World Trade Center, towers going down. Have you come to a conclusion?

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Well, it was, energy was instructed to do something differently than we've normally seen before. And, and, and...

• 21:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So, energy was essentially directed and used as a weapon?

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Well, I, I won't get into exactly the motives behind it, but, but, uh, energy was manipulated differently than what we've seen before. Like, nobody's really taken apart a tornado and seen exactly what that does. Let's say somebody weaponized a tornado.

• 22:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Uh, there's, just, you know, looking at the mechanism rather than, you know, the device. I don't get into, uh, the serial number of the parts that went into it, or what the operator had for breakfast, or details like that. But physically, what happened? There's, there's another technology out there that people aren't familiar with, and why the subtitle of my book is what it is, is, uh, uh, let's consider Hiroshima, August 6, 1945. The evidence of what happened that day was evidence of a technology that could be used for nuclear power plants. So, let's look at the silver lining in the cloud, and let's use it for good. Making, you know, nuclear power plants.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  That is not to say nuclear power plants destroyed Hiroshima. What happened on 9/11 is evidence of a technology that could be used for free energy. That what, what this thing was capable of is, is amazing. Truly amazing. Imagine turning this, uh, 500,000-ton building to dust in midair, most of it to dust in midair. Having it all come apart, all the, the molecular bonds and atomic bonds coming apart. That's pretty impressive. Like, okay, what if somebody goes, oops, and it does it the wrong way? There goes the planet.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  And actually, as it was, there was evidence that this process continued. And Bankers Trust is an example. They repaired it, but it was infected and kept going, this process. So they end up taking it apart four years later.

• 23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So I know you're not comfortable using the weapon, using the phrase directed energy weapon. But let's just use directed energy. Let's set aside the word weapon. To use directed energy. Say I'm somebody that has unlimited resources. I have money. And I wanted to be able to use directed energy to make something dustify. Let's just use that as a word. How much money would I need to have to be able to use a technology to do so?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  Well, go visit John Hutchison. He can show you. John Hutchison did it as, you know, just a fun thing to do.

• 24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  And

• 24:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm aware of that.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. Actually, when I was looking at all the, the evidence of all these, these different quirks, you know, that were going on, I happened upon this person's Facebook and I saw these pictures. Went, oh, my gosh, that's, that's the same type of thing that, that happened on nine eleven. So then I got into it more and went and, you know, visited him. And how he does it is create a static field. He used to use a Tesla coil, but then, or Van de Graaff generator. Now I think he uses a Tesla coil or the other way around. And then interfere radio frequency signals. And it's a square wave or sinusoidal wave. The wave shape is important. And interfering those in a particular place where things happen.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Now, he isn't real, I guess meticulous. It's like, let's have fun. Let's turn this thing on. And but where things happen, you get levitation or you get disruption. In other words, the, the material would, would levitate or it would come apart. And you see on nine eleven, upside down cars. They aren't toasted. The upright ones are toasted. It, it's like

• 25:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean upside down cars?

• 25:29Speaker 03

  Cars parked with the wheels in the air. Those cars that are parked, you know, they're on the roof with the wheels in the air.

• 25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think that can happen by things dropping and hitting it and causing it to flip and ends up being on the back?

• 25:41Speaker 03

  A block away.

• 25:44Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a block, I can't see that happen on a block away. That, that, that, there is, when, when you have, because there's a couple of things I did. The Hutchison fan, when he did this in 1979, this is the levitation of objects, metal bending or fracturing. And there's even that example of that one, uh...

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Cast iron?

• 26:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, that just kind of starts, Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not, where he cast iron, just kind of starts bending and then all of a sudden it collapses, right? If you want to pull that up.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  And it was cold to the touch. In other words, the energy came out of the material. It was cold to the touch afterwards.

• 26:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Afterwards it was cold to the touch?

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Brandon has that clip. And Brandon, you want to, that's the one right there. Uh, third one, Rob. Yeah, that's the one right there. So is, uh, uh, uh, this is, if you want to maybe tell the audience what they're looking at right now, this is an example of...

• 26:31Speaker 03

  The field effects, you interfere different fields. It feels of, um, a static field with, with, um, a radio frequency signal. And, and this happens.

• 26:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is iron?

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And Rob, if you can, uh, because this is going to take a while to go through it, if you want to fast forward a little bit.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  And notice the fumes coming out of it.

• 26:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there. Stop it. Yeah, right there.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  You see how fumes are puffing out of the top of it?

• 27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And then boom. Okay. Well, when you see that, one would say, that's not what happened to World Trade Center. World Trade Center just flat out came down.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Well, this is a small amount.

• 27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that, but look what happens to it if we're talking about, you know, directed energy.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  It's crumbled a little bit afterwards, but it, it isn't completely, like I said, he would experiment with trying this and that and the other. Uh, and sometimes he would get levitation. Uh, one thing that was interesting, he has a toy boat on some water, and he has his gizmo on, the water's jumping up. And you can tell when he turns the gizmo off, and then the boat appears to catch fire. Right after he turns the, get the power off.

• 27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And he doesn't know why.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  It's, you know, knowing why is the next step. But there's people that were experimenting with lifters. And when they turn the gizmo off, they catch fire.

• 27:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  It's like something that builds up.

• 27:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So the one question led to this. The first question I ask you is, if I had unlimited resources, how much would it take for me to be able to do this? Right? And you said, ask Hutchinson. Okay? With what he did in 79.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  No, go visit, go visit him.

• 28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Go visit Hutchinson.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  You go visit him and then, you know, that's free.

• 28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a difference between doing to something this big versus doing it to a World Trade Center.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Causing it to come down and doing it on the international scale while everybody's not working, home, watching it live. If you haven't tested this before and you screw it up, the world's gonna be like, who was behind this? Right? So if you're gonna test directed energy, you would have had to test it 10, 20 times on smaller buildings to make sure you're ready, that you do it on the national scale with all the CBS, ABCs, NBC, everybody's watching it, you don't look like a clown. So to me, in order to test it at that level, don't you have to have tested it before in smaller buildings?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  And there are very suspicious things that have happened in time before that. But the important thing again to remember is, the average person doesn't know what they're looking at. And that's the impressive thing about this trick, was that the entire planet watched this happen, but they don't know what they're looking at. So they can be told something else and they'll just buy it. They don't understand what this is.

• 29:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I know that. But what I'm saying is, if I'm researching this, like, here's what I did. I went online and I said, okay, have we had any, and by the way, there's a follow-up question to this. I went online and said, have we had any directed energy weapons being used in the history of mankind? Rob, if you want to ask this question on ChatGPT, see what comes up. There was even one as recent as Israel that did it this year in 2025 with a drone. But if you look at the three, three things comes up. Laser weapon systems aboard USS Ponce, the Navy, okay, that we had in 2014 in the Persian Gulf. And this system engaged in test targets, including UAV drones and small boats, and was authorized for self-defense use.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Well, I've only read about slingshots, BB guns, and bow and arrows, so it's gotta be one of those. You know, in other words, people only look within their repertoire. They don't observe, and if they're told that it hasn't been used before, then, okay, it hasn't been used.

• 30:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, I went and looked to see what's been used. So that's one of them. The other one was Turkey's Alka system in Libya in 2019, which is six years ago.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  I'm going to disclose to you that I contacted the directed energy directorate with some...

• 30:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Turkey?

• 30:27Speaker 03

  No, in the US.

• 30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And?

• 30:29Speaker 03

  And showing this evidence and saying, is somebody in your outfit doing this? Oh, we don't have no idea what that is, and we wouldn't be able to explain it. Of course, that's what they're going to say publicly, but they didn't say, you're wacko for suggesting that.

• 30:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think the average person would call you wacko, though. I don't think the average person would call wacko. And the last one I pulled up is the one in Turkey was a hybrid electromagnetic laser system that they claim to have not shown, have shot down a Chinese-made Winglong UAV in Mistrada, Libya.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Did you look at the Oklahoma City building?

• 31:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I did.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Look at the roof. It's got cylindrical holes in it. How did that happen with a spherical bomb?

• 31:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So how do you think it happened?

• 31:14Speaker 03

  I look at, just look at the pattern of it, a cylindrical bomb.

• 31:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what you're talking about?

• 31:17Speaker 03

  I mean, if you look at the image from the roof of, for...

• 31:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you do roof image, Rob? Oklahoma bombing, and just go roof image?

• 31:27Speaker 03

  It's got, like, scalloped cylindrical holes in it. Actually, when I first saw Building Six at the World Trade Center, I thought that was the Oklahoma City building, and I got the two confused because they look very similar. There's just one story difference in height. Otherwise, they look very similar.

• 31:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I repeat, more, so if you go, what?

• 31:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that a good view for you, right there?

• 31:50Speaker 03

  It's not as good as some of the ones I had on my website.

• 31:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, is it still on your website?

• 31:57Speaker 03

  I wouldn't be able to find it because, you know, years ago it was stashed in there. But you look at it, it's scalloped shape, cutouts in the roof.

• 32:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So what are you claiming? When you see that, what are you speculating?

• 32:08Speaker 03

  But I don't buy the story that a bomb parked next to it on the street, which would be a spherical, you know, shaped wave, is going to make cylindrical cutouts in the building.

• 32:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  That doesn't make sense. Also, there are toasted cars in the block away from Oklahoma City. Cars just appear to go into spontaneous combustion.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  That's after it's been smoothed out.

• 32:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you're saying that, what I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to say, okay, in order for this directed energy weapon allegedly to have been used on the World Trade Center, they had to have been tested before. For example, what do you think's more powerful? This or a nuclear bomb?

• 32:56Speaker 03

  This.

• 32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  It destroyed the entire planet.

• 33:00Patrick Bet-David?

  With this?

• 33:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. It might not be able to stop it, and that's another thing that scares me. The first time the nuclear bomb was tested, the scientists did not know if it was self-quenching.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  They're willing to try it, because if they kept going, there goes the planet. They did not know if it was self-quenching. In other words, they're willing to experiment on the planet, and that's why this is so scary. And what happened with Bankers' Trust, that continued to disintegrate as time went on. And they finally unbuilt it. They took it down, piece by piece.

• 33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, but they did test the nuclear weapon, right? There was an original test that took place, that the world knew about, that people in the military knew about, right?

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Do you know about every top-secret project?

• 33:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know every top-secret project, but I do know if the government at the highest level was trying to use directed energy weapon to bring down the World Trade Center, they would have had to test it somewhere before to not look like idiots in the global, you know, marketplace to see. So if that's the case, let's just say, let's put it and say it happened. Great. I want to know, how did you do it to get to a point where you're comfortable with a million cameras on you, that you're gonna nail it and convince the world that, no, it was a plane that brought it in?

• 34:26Speaker 03

  It's not my crime. I didn't plan it.

• 34:28Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean?

• 34:29Speaker 03

  I didn't plan 9/11. I didn't, it's not my crime.

• 34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but you wrote about it. You're the one that wrote a book about where did the towers go.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  I'm writing what the evidence shows.

• 34:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so I'm asking you a question, because you've spent more time on this than me. What I mean-

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm talking about the physical phenomenon, not who did what, to whom when.

• 34:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but that would be what I would go to investigate. I would want to know if this happened- If, if we have, by the way, I want to consider it as, because the way my mind works is, if a crime is done, one by one by one, my job is to eliminate, if I got seven people here that are claiming, one of these seven killed that family, one by one by one, I want to go through all of them. I don't want to leave any one of them to chance. Okay, because then, I'm gonna be like, unusual suspect, Kaiser Soce, and I don't want to be the guy that he walks up.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Well, see, I don't know the serial number of the, of the product. I don't think it even got registered.

• 35:19Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're doing that again. I'm not asking about the serial number, Dr. Judy, respectfully. What I'm asking you is, for the government to be able to launch something like this on the global scale, and fool everybody, they have had to have tested this before.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  But you're acting, like you need a blueprint of, of the design of something. I'm saying what, on this level of what got done, it couldn't, you know, it couldn't have been kinetic energy. It couldn't have been thermal energy.

• 35:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  You know, there were 14 people that walked out of Stairway B after the building went away?

• 35:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I do know that.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  They weren't crushed. They weren't burned up. And there were two people above that that even survived, just riding the wave down. And one guy went home at night, you know, his wife was shot.

• 35:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think, why do you think that is?

• 36:00Speaker 03

  That there was something that did not crush people.

• 36:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  It didn't cook them to death. So that eliminates about every weapon that's known.

• 36:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Isn't there a possibility that some areas of it, like, you know, when I was in Iran, and we would have things that would happen, or the bombing, they would say, go hide under the stairs. Safest place you could be, right? Sometimes you could get lucky. Sometimes you could get very lucky and you could make it. Things do happen. Plane crashes happen, 99 people die, and one person makes it. And you spend the rest of your life telling that story. Titanic, there was a lot of survivors. How many people died? A lot of people died. But there was a few survivors that we, they made movies about it, right, that we read about.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Pascal Buzeli survived when the building around him didn't. He was, he was, the building around him was gone. He was, they, they call him the surfer. That he came down without the building around him. Um, but, uh, you know, if it's not a kinetic energy weapon, not a thermal energy weapon.

• 36:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  It was something that isn't in the, uh, whatever you call it, uh, multiple choice menu.

• 37:03Patrick Bet-David?

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• 38:23Speaker 03

  Well, they didn't disappear. They, they, uh, came apart into dust.

• 38:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But what does that mean though? If they, if they, if they turn into dust?

• 38:32Speaker 03

  The, the material came apart.

• 38:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And is the, is the physical material still around or it's, most of it is no longer around?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Well, it's not around there, you know, kind of gone with the wind. It blew down the eastern sea.

• 38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So if that's the case, how long did it take to clean up all the mess that was left from the nine 11, from, from the World Trade Center coming down?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  I mean, the dust?

• 38:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if, if you're, if it's dust, it would take a week or two to clean up.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  Oh, no, it's, it's down the eastern seaboard. It's down into, uh, Delaware. It was, it was getting deposited.

• 39:04Patrick Bet-David?

  The dust?

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but were there physical items that they had to clean up?

• 39:09Speaker 03

  There weren't big items.

• 39:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So then, why did it take forty thousand people, construction workers, firefighters, police engineers, and one point eight million tons of debris and rubble and steel to remove?

• 39:22Speaker 03

  There were, from what I saw, and I actually went there and saw it, the, the mechanism or whatever, the, the effect, it got initiated and it wasn't self-quenching, it kept going and going and going. What they were doing is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down on the ground, stirring it around, taking it back out, bringing in more dirt.

• 39:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, so you're thinking they brought the dirt and the dirt wasn't there?

• 39:44Speaker 03

  I've got pictures of the, the dirt trucks bringing dirt in.

• 39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that, that can be manipulated because that could be them taking the dirt out and it looks like they're bringing it in. That, that, that could be a way for someone, again, I am, I am gonna play the, the, to be super speculative of this.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Because that, that's, I think that's fair to the audience for me to ask some of these questions, to get to the bottom of it, because if it did happen, man, we got some work to do to go find out what happened with this thing here, right? Because it's a powerful weapon.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Well, it was really weird, I was there physically, in person, visiting it several years later, and they have those gates where they let the trucks in and out, and they don't want anybody around there to be able, you know, take pictures inside, and I see that something's gonna happen, I can get the camera ready. The gate opens up, the guy drives out, drives up Liberty Street, oh, just past the ten and ten firehouse, and stops. He slides out the passenger side, another driver hops in the driver's side and, and then he's on. In other words, the guy who was taking some in and out of the, um, the site was not the one that, that drove it off someplace. Thought that was pretty interesting.

• 40:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  But there, there's a whole lot of just information like that, but what becomes important is physically what's going on and be able to see, you don't need to have the answer to see that something weird is going on with the material, the material's constantly breaking down.

• 41:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I think something weird happened. I just don't know what the weird thing is. I do think something weird happened on nine eleven. I don't trust that just a building flew in and then boom, it goes down. Because case study doesn't give the individuals who believe in that credibility. It doesn't.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, airplanes, the people like to argue about airplanes. I think that was the emotional attachment, the gay people, to give them a reason for what happened with the buildings.

• 41:35Patrick Bet-David?

  To gay people, to gay people?

• 41:37Speaker 03

  No, no, to get people to, no, to get, to get them to attach to it, you know, to their emotions.

• 41:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought you were gonna drop a news, it's just like a gay airline or something. I don't wanna start rumors now. So you're saying to get people, not gay people.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Right, to get people.

• 41:52Patrick Bet-David?

  My apologies, yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  To get people to, yeah, I can see how it sounds like that. I'll slow down, I'll slow down. To get people an answer or something they can attach to. Oh, that's what, they need a reason why the buildings went poof. Oh, I saw that airplane, so therefore that did it. And some people argue for airplanes, some people argue against airplanes. And what I like to say is airplanes can't turn buildings to dust in midair.

• 42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't believe that.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Real airplanes can't, and neither can fake airplanes. So there's no point in talking about the airplane issue, because that's just a distraction away from what is actually happening.

• 42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know how, in the craziest way, how I process this? Why did they take the Richard Gage interview down? Why? I don't know. And by the way, I pushed them. Why did they take it down? I don't know. You know, why, if this stays up, maybe they're comfortable with this theory.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  It's not a theory. I just talk about evidence, that's why, you know, I can't give you the serial numbers of it.

• 42:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, okay. So did you ever investigate to see if there was any other, like, any of these directed energy experiments taking place? At mass level?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  I didn't need to. Because if something happened over there, that doesn't conclude what happened here. I'm looking at what happened here.

• 43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but if you wanna buy this house, the real estate agent's gonna look at the surrounding houses to get a comp. To see how much this house is worth. It's called comps. So if I got a case like this, they'll say, you know, this reminds me of a Roe v. Wade. This reminds me of such and such case, this reminds me of such and such case. Why do they do that?

• 43:24Speaker 03

  This is a physical phenomenon, this is a physical phenomenon.

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So this has never happened before?

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Maybe it has, and there's, like I say, there's other places I could question, but there's so much information about this one. I know what happened with this one. You know, and there's characteristics that you start, you know, seeing that you would recognize again. Like, if you understand what happened at the World Trade Center, and then you look at the Pentagon, you go, "Oh, I've seen that before." I didn't need to investigate the Pentagon so much, but there's not as much evidence, I mean, information available because it's, you know, a secure location. But with the World Trade Center, because they had this public document, you know, this NIST report and so forth, it had to be public, the information.

• 44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So I just went online and I typed. What is that, Rob? That's the Pentagon on 9/11. Oh, okay. Got it.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it has the questions of its own, but I just, I didn't need to get into other stuff.

• 44:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's stay on 9/11. So when I look at, so I typed in, "How many movies have used directed energy weapons before in the past?" Just movies. Because sometimes the way I see movies is, movies are, you know...

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Predictive programming?

• 44:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, 30 years before, right? Typically, before something happens, they'll drop it in movies, and they'll get us ready to say, "This is coming soon, relax, it's gonna be okay." Oh, shit, 30 years later, "We're gonna make robots, you're gonna own them, $10,000 to $30,000, you're gonna be fine." "All right, I got 72 robots as employees now." "Hey, Johnny, hi, Rob, how are you? What's your day looking like?" You know, and then we're just, yeah, they told us in movies, "I, robots, this is coming, so it's finally here." So...

• 44:59Speaker 03

  There's actually one that somebody sent me a link to, where, I don't know what it was called, not Pink Panther, but something like that, where they used gizmos that dustified a building.

• 45:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, trust me, I've seen them in movies. So, there you go. So you have one with Star Wars, iconic blaster, Death Star super laser, okay, kinda cool. Star Trek has phasers as DEWs, okay. "The Day Earth Stood Still," Klaatu's robot, Gort, uses a disintegration beam. "War of the Worlds," there's a new one as well that they did 20 years ago, "But Martian heat rays devastate cities."

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Fantastic Voyage sixty-six, laser scalpel used inside a human body. Flash Gordon and Tron use beams as weapons. Ghostbusters proton packs as quasi DEW. Then you got Independence Day, alien ships fire massive city destroying beams. Starship Troopers, plasma weapons and interstellar combat. Fifth Element, energy rifles and alien tech. I mean, you can see in movies, these things have been used. And if they've been used in movies, I believe this exists. I don't think this is like something that's out of the ordinary. So I'm not speculating that they exist.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Would you believe it's a top secret?

• 46:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Could be. I do.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  The response I got back from, from the directed energy director, it kind of was hinting that way. Like, we're not going to talk about it. It's just like, I don't know, we don't do, we don't do that.

• 46:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about that. I, I don't, I don't know about that because if, if they.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  They can't disclose it.

• 46:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I know they can't disclose it, but to me, if there's eight and a half months it took to clean up 1.8 million tons of rubble and steel, and they needed 40,000 workers to clean it up, where is the dustification?

• 46:51Speaker 03

  So you're assuming it's a normal site. You're assuming it's a normal, a normal site with normal debris.

• 46:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What's an abnormal site?

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Um, if, if people spent that long cleaning it up.

• 47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  What are they cleaning up? Um, I've got photos from the afternoon.

• 47:08Patrick Bet-David?

  1.8 million tons of rubble and steel and.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  No, no, they're, they calculate what went into building the buildings. That's the ingredients of what went into the buildings. So they say, well, we hauled out that much debris.

• 47:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  There's no, I want to see a receipt for it. There isn't any, and I saw pictures on nine 11, what, on West Street there? Dust that tall, there's no junk, you could essentially drive your vehicle down.

• 47:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So you don't believe there was eight and a half months of 40,000 people volunteering to clean up all the?

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Oh, they were doing stuff. Yeah, they, they were like the bucket brigade and whatnot. But it wasn't material, that much material being taken out. There's a lot of dirt going out.

• 47:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You think it was just dirt?

• 47:52Speaker 03

  No, well, there's some, there's actually some ballpoint pens in it.

• 47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm actually now, now you got me curious. Clips of workers cleaning up World Trade Center. Do you have any clips of it, of them doing that?

• 48:02Speaker 03

  There was bucket brigades taking stuff up carefully in case there was a body in there.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Let's see if I can find...

• 48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  If you type in like 9/11 cleanup, is there 9/11 cleanup? I have, here's one I just found, Rob. Is that, okay, so that's 9/11 cleanup. What is that? That's not dust, if you want to look at that, Dr. June.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's not 110 stories worth of material.

• 48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think it is?

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Think of a game of pickup sticks. Where you have a pile there, and if they're really standing up and... You try to make them look like they're more, but...

• 48:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think they're manipulating this?

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Okay, this picture is right after 9/11.

• 48:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me see it.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  That one over there. And that's ground level. That's the plaza, in that globe that was in the middle of the plaza.

• 48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  There's some holes in the ground. But that's the patio level of the plaza.

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so what was the temperature when all this stuff was coming down?

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Actually, folks who were running through it said that the dust was actually cooler than ambient temperature. It burned like acid burns, but it was cooler than ambient temperature. Which I thought was kind of weird.

• 50:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  A lot of strange, and this is a good one. Where did Building Four go? That's one of my favorite ones. It went AWOL. It's gone, and the level right underneath it where the mall was is still intact. Roadrunner survived. There's a Warner Brothers store there with Roadrunner in it. It didn't get crushed.

• 50:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to know who built that structure. That's who I want to hire.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So what's this, Rob? What do you have here? That's Roadrunner?

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Well, that's the remaining wing of the north part of Building Four. Here's Building Four here. And where my finger shows, that's what you're seeing. It's just that block above there. Yep, that's just this part. But this whole part went missing.

• 51:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  The big, the large part. And that's what you see here where I dashed it in.

• 51:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what things could make those things go missing?

• 51:14Speaker 03

  A tornado.

• 51:15Patrick Bet-David?

  A tornado.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Another thing I'd like to point out is, static electricity was discovered in the year 600 B.C. So we're told in our, in our books. But do you believe it took them 2,400 more years to discover electricity? How many times was it discovered and undiscovered and whatnot? And still, we don't really learn about what tornadoes are as a general public. But obviously, it isn't just like a vacuum cleaner. There's, there's a different kind of process, electromagnetic process going on.

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, well, let me ask you. Before we came up, you said something about Flat Earth. What, what is your thought on Flat Earth?

• 51:56Speaker 03

  I, I think the northern rural albatross had it figured out before humans were even around.

• 52:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is what? What did he figure out?

• 52:05Speaker 03

  That you fly east, you keep flying east, and you get back home. You leave home flying east. And when, they have their nests, the southern part of New Zealand, and also off the coast of the Chatham Islands, in that little island. And when the babies fledge, they fly east and they hang out off the coast of Chile for about five years till they grow up. And then they fly east again and keep going till they get back home. They know exactly where their nest was that they came from.

• 52:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So what does that mean?

• 52:37Speaker 03

  They don't turn around and go back.

• 52:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not flat?

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, that's good. So you don't believe that it's flat?

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Right. They could do laps around there.

• 52:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, that's great. Yeah, we like that. We like the fact that we do laps.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  There was one last year, the baby that didn't stop very long in South America. After a month, he kept going. And he made as far as Tasmania, almost to New Zealand, when his thing fell off. They have a GPS gizmo with a solar panel on it.

• 53:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  And they glue it to the feathers, but when they molt, it comes off. They have a longer-term one that they put around their ankles, but this one was cool. Like, "Go, boy, go."

• 53:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You literally track where he's at?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. He almost made a complete lap around the planet.

• 53:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  They can go across the Pacific in about one or two weeks.

• 53:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great time.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  They're frequent flyer miles.

• 53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Being a bird and just kind of traveling and relaxing and...

• 53:28Speaker 03

  They don't flap their wings. No, they sleep. When they leave their nest, they don't touch solid ground for another five years. They may land on the water, but they don't land on solid ground.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So they sleep while flying?

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. They don't flap. They soar.

• 53:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Most people can't fly and have a hard time sleeping. These guys sleep while they're flying.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:52Patrick Bet-David?

  That's some major respect for them, to be able to do something like that. So what are we gonna do with this? Okay? If you wanted to say motivation, I'm actually curious where you're gonna go with this. What would be someone's motive to do what they did to 9/11? Who would be the people that would want to bring down the World Trade Center?

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not one of them, but I can look at what's happened since then.

• 54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  You know, see the effects. One thing that really bugged me after 9/11 was we had all these flying spy gizmos being put out and spy cameras everywhere. People wouldn't have put up with that, you know, 9/11. But the biggest thing that I would like the viewer to understand is that 9/11 was an attack on human consciousness. Since 9/11, people have not been thinking so clearly or so deeply. They just kind of go along nodding along, and they hear something, "Oh, okay." And we need to get back to that. It's like a degradation of our culture. And that's sort of what one of the big aims of my book is going through this evidence

• 55:01Speaker 03

  and teaching people to observe what they're seeing, not what they're being told to see.

• 55:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  It's a big deal. I've got this cute story. You've probably heard about Jack Woolans. The very first jet airplane, P-59, was flown by Jack Woolans. When they had it on the ground...

• 55:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Jack Woolans?

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Woolans, W-O-O-L-A-N-S. When they had it on the ground to hide this top-secret technology, they put a fake propeller on it. And the propeller kind of looked like some boards off of, you know, some planks off of a wooden fence. And then, you know, they take it off and they fly it away. And when my dad read my book, he got to that, he was in World War II, he went, "Oh, yeah. I thought those were weird, but I didn't think any more of it." People don't know what they're looking at. And then apparently, Jack Woolans was at the local pub drinking a bunch and said to the P-39 pilots, "I have an airplane

• 56:03Speaker 03

  that doesn't have propellers on it." And then he went, "Oops, how do you back that up?" Well, next day, he rented a gorilla suit, derby hat, cigar out of his mouth, and flew up next to the P-39 pilots. Then that night at the watering hole, "You see that escaped gorilla from the zoo?" "I see nothing. I know nothing." Who would want to admit it?

• 56:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  But people don't see what's really there. They see what they think they're supposed to see.

• 56:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. By the way, when you got your degree and you finished up your PhD, what did you do for work from 92 till 01? What did you do professionally?

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Well, I was a, there's more of a story behind that. I was a, what do you call it? A post-doc student for some of that. I got injured, like, as in killed, and then come back from that. A whole lot of stuff, you know. I've had a full life.

• 56:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for you.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  And that's another reason why I felt like I needed to go into 9/11.

• 57:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, what did you do full-time? What was your full-time job? Were you a professor? Did you work for a company as a mechanical engineer?

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Mainly when I came back from that, I was doing a post-doc. And then I became a professor.

• 57:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, did you ever, did you ever work on a job like as a mechanical engineer? Like, did you work?

• 57:23Speaker 03

  I wasn't a mechanical engineer, engineering mechanics is a little bit different.

• 57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, so-

• 57:27Speaker 03

  You test materials and-

• 57:28Patrick Bet-David?

  If I get a degree in civil engineering, engineering mechanics, applied physics, and material engineering science, what job do I go pursue? What do I do for a living?

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Um, if it's not with academia, uh, testing materials.

• 57:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever do that?

• 57:42Speaker 03

  Running experiments, yeah.

• 57:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was it with? What company?

• 57:45Speaker 03

  I was at Boeing.

• 57:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You were at Boeing?

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, for intermission, also, um, uh, worked at, for a short time at NASA Langley.

• 57:55Patrick Bet-David?

  How long were you at NASA? How long?

• 57:56Speaker 03

  Not, not, not long. It was, uh, a part of their program, I, you know, doing your, your, uh, degree and then you go work at, at NASA.

• 58:03Patrick Bet-David?

  How long did you work at Boeing?

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Uh, not long.

• 58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Ten years, five years, three years?

• 58:10Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 58:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Six months, three months?

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Uh, no, um, like a, a year.

• 58:15Patrick Bet-David?

  At each places?

• 58:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So you've mainly been academia your entire life?

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, or, or, or a hospital patient.

• 58:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it, so, that's interesting.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  Well, I also was a, was a, um, uh, draftsman for a while.

• 58:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What do draftsman do?

• 58:29Speaker 03

  Uh, just before the computer.

• 58:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, got it, would you, yeah, I got it.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  It can, uh-

• 58:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it, okay, well, listen, any final things you want to say before we wrap up the podcast? Any final thoughts that audience should look into?

• 58:43Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna put the link below for people to be able to go out there and order where did the towers go? And a brand of four shows gonna buy it, and a bunch of guys will buy it. Well, what, what else would you want to leave the audience to think about?

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Uh, think about how, how careful we need to be to not be led around. Uh, what, what do magicians do? They get you to lie to yourself. They get you to believe something that isn't true. They get you to make an assumption, a jump of, of something that isn't true. And so if you're constantly being, you know, it's either this, this, or this. No, but this doesn't agree to it. Oh, don't look at that. Instead, you need to look at what is in front of you. Think of that exercise that artist did, putting his hands underneath a wooden shelf.

• 59:28Patrick Bet-David?

  That's very interesting, yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you're forced to look at one piece relative to another and see what is really there.

• 59:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  Because it's a hard thing to do. You have to train yourself to do it.

• 59:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I could never do it. I could never do it. But, you know, to me, I simply want to know what happened. It's a big day. It's one of the worst days in the history of American, you know, American history, especially the last 50 years. If we go to 60s, that changes. But the last 50 years, many would put it at the top, worst day that we experienced, and we still don't know what happened.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  You know what my PhD was, the dissertation?

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  Developed a method for measuring deformation of materials.

• 1:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw that.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  And stresses, and when I came back with that evidence, it contradicted all theoretical results up to that point. Theory didn't correctly predict what was there. And it became what a colleague of mine started using. It went to work for Motorola, measuring the stresses in microchips. Because you're going to get any two dissimilar materials bond together, you're going to get huge stresses on the interface.

• 1:00:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you been to the New World Trade Center, the new ones that built?

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  I've been to the New World Trade Center. I've been to the, what do you call it? Museum several times.

• 1:00:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You have been to the museum.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's pretty weird. You know that video of the spire dustifying?

• 1:00:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  They have that. You see it right when you come in the door. They probably won't now, as I'm pointing out, but it's a smaller part of the bigger picture. They have it more from back, but they have the dustifying spire there.

• 1:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Right in front of it. When you go there, do they know who you are?

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  No, nobody knows who I am.

• 1:01:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No. So they don't give you a hard time when you go in there?

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  No, no, and this bible is there.

• 1:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This Bible on the rock?

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  The Bible didn't burn?

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Right, and it has formerly liquid metal fused to the page.

• 1:01:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is in the museum?

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Yes, just before you, they run you through this loop-de-loop around, and just before you leave, I thought I missed it, and I just turned around to go back, and there it is. It's like in the middle of the aisle.

• 1:01:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Do they find out whose Bible it was, or no? Because I'm sure the family would love this.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  They probably don't know. But there's some very interesting things if you know what you're looking at there. Like, a fire truck, where only the electrical stuff is toasted, nothing else.

• 1:02:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You are fully convinced that's what happened?

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  That there's, the things...

• 1:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy?

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Oh, not that one, but some other ones.

• 1:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, please get it right when you're showing pictures like this.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  That's all right.

• 1:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You're in a serious meeting.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  He probably doesn't have that one.

• 1:02:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he needs to take it seriously.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  This one they have in the paywall at the museum. There's stuff outside the paywall, and you have to pay more to go inside the control thing. But these are weird as they are. Yeah, check out that ambulance. It's just got holes in it.

• 1:02:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Random holes.

• 1:02:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's wild, and they still have it up there?

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can go see that one.

• 1:02:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You're convinced? So what do you think about Richard Gage and his organization, what they did?

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  They're either not real bright, or they're deliberately misdirecting. Now, Richard Gage bought a copy of my book, so it was April 9, 2011.

• 1:02:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Shawty order that he made?

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  Well, he bought it off of somebody with a check to a bank from 8111 Truth. So 8111 Truth paid for the book.

• 1:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think that's a big deal?

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  That he has it, he has the information.

• 1:03:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I'm sure. Would you ever sit down with him in a debate format?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Sure, but he has no interest in the truth, because the way, like even this thing they had this past week.

• 1:03:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  It looked like a junior high girl was throwing spitwads at somebody. They had a professional engineer supposedly. His whole presentation, this is supposed to be for Congress or something, was about debunking my book. Nothing of material, he didn't talk about the lack of S and P waves, lack of debris.

• 1:03:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So you would sit down with him if we did something?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Sure, but, but I don't think his interest is in that.

• 1:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let us see what we can do with him. We, we'll, we'll see maybe we can do something.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  There's also, maybe, maybe he's, you know, been a victim of that idea that you only see what you think exists.

• 1:04:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You think so?

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it, so it's gotta be either slingshot, BB gun, or, or phone.

• 1:04:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Richard Gage's own community, he started ousted him, fired him. I think something, didn't something happen to him, Rob?

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  Yes, he was, I believe he was removed from the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

• 1:04:20Patrick Bet-David?

  He started that, right? And how many people were part of that organization? Like 30,000, 3,000?

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  He started, he started it in response to my request for corrections to NIST.

• 1:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  That came out, and a couple of weeks later is when the first 8/9/11 Truth website went up. And, and no one who ever talked to Judy Wood was allowed to be in 8/9/11 Truth. And if you talked about the Keatam case, you were banned from the group.

• 1:04:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you, uh, uh, because you heard President Trump announcing that he would release everything they have for, for 9/11. What happened to World Trade Center? Were you following that story or no?

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he was saying that and didn't really know, you know, to get votes, but, um, but I don't think he knew what was there. And there's plenty of other stuff going on.

• 1:05:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Who doesn't want this thing to be released? Who doesn't want it to be released?

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Probably all of them. Ron Johnson was speaking at that thing earlier this week, on Wednesday.

• 1:05:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  And he's, he made a good comment that Trump has a lot of on his plate right now. And, and they've already hired one investigation for, for this. Why should they hire another one? Because it, you know, the first one didn't give you the answer you wanted. But something else that Ron Johnson said is, um, you know, I'm not sure, there's some things that could ever be released.

• 1:05:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  And I think that's the, the case. But think of this, this in the wrong hands.

• 1:05:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What the director, energy weapon would do?

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Well, this, this technology, I wouldn't call it, you know, I'm not specifying it as a weapon.

• 1:05:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you call it?

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  This phenomenon, this technology.

• 1:05:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You're big with words, I learned that.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Now, I don't know if you saw the part about Ed Leeds-Gallman.

• 1:06:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  He's a Latvian guy who came to the US from, from, in Florida, southern Florida. You need to go down there. I'd love to go there with you to, to, um, make some homestead. He built this castle, the size of, uh, he excavated big rocks out of, uh, brain coral and built a castle, um, out of it. And then, um, uh, I forgot what happened and he had to move it. And his friend put a flatbed truck there and by morning he had it loaded. He, if somebody was ever watching, he'd stop, he'd stop working on it. It's like leaving your gun cabinet unlocked. You don't leave your gun cabinet unlocked unless everybody knows what, what the gun, uh...

• 1:06:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think he had the W and he moved it with that?

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Well, he didn't, he had a weapon. He knew how to, uh, you know, he could, uh, he levitated the stones by himself.

• 1:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He dropped the W.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Patrick Bet-David?

  He had access to DE.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he could manipulate the energy to, to levitate stuff and they think that's how the, the pyramids were built. He had this little rinky-dink tripod that couldn't hold more than a hundred, a hundred pounds and lifted fifteen ton stones.

• 1:07:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean, that part where you're going, and they show how they build the pyramids back in the days in Egypt, and when you hear the phenomenon, it makes no sense that...

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:07:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what did they use for them to be able to, you know, move it? What type of power did you have to the effect of it to, you know, so there is something there when those topics come up.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, look, look at Ed Leeds-Gallman's little castle. It's, you know, like two or three stories long.

• 1:07:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you find that castle of his?

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Coral Castle.

• 1:07:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that it? The Coral Castle?

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  It's about a couple of stories tall, and he made a little power plant in it.

• 1:07:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Which guy is it? Is it, is it that guy?

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, that's it. That building on the right. Those are fifteen ton stones that he-

• 1:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Each one of them?

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. He excavated green coral.

• 1:07:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're wondering how he put it up there?

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm not wondering.

• 1:08:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how he did it?

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. He, he, he has written book, a little book on it.

• 1:08:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you met him?

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  No, no, he died in nineteen fifty something.

• 1:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  He, he was sick and rode his bicycle to the hospital and died there.

• 1:08:14Patrick Bet-David?

  He's sick? He gets on his bicycle, goes to the hospital, and dies there?

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. I, I think it was TB or something like that-

• 1:08:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  -that he had. But, um, yeah, there's apparently like the neighborhood kids watching, and he stopped, he'd stop working. And I think it's because you need to earn-

• 1:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  To know that kind of stuff?

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. You, you do, to earn that privilege. It's like understanding how to destroy the planet. You don't just turn that loose.

• 1:08:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Understanding how to destroy the planet.

• 1:08:43Speaker 03

  It could be used that way.

• 1:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, what's your favorite movie?

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Uh, Space Camp? I don't know, I'm, I'm just thinking of some fun ones.

• 1:08:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Space Camp?

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You like Space Camp?

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  A League of Their Own, that was fun.

• 1:08:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I like League of Their Own. You know, there's no crying in baseball, right? Is that the-

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Was that League of Their Own, or no? That's a, is that the, am I saying it correctly?

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was League of Their Own.

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, they were crying.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  It was Tom Hanks-

• 1:09:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Madonna's in, no, was Madonna in it?

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, Madonna's in there.

• 1:09:08Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually a very good movie.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. There's no crying in baseball? I remember that line. It's a good movie. Favorite book of all time? Trying to figure you out, Dr. Judy Wood.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  Um-

• 1:09:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Trying to figure you out. What are you gonna say? Favorite book?

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Aren't, aren't too many books. Uh, first one I ever read was On the Beach by Neville Shute.

• 1:09:27Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's your book?

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  That was the first one I ever read, and it made a big impression on me.

• 1:09:30Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  People's mentality, like near the end of the book where, um, they know that they're gonna get wiped out with the nu- nuclear, uh, wave, uh, the lady has to go out and plant her spring flowers. And you see that, that's a human nature is pretend it doesn't exist and continue on.

• 1:09:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  We have people doing that now.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I for sure believe that, we have people doing that. I was hoping I could figure out what happened on nine eleven. And I still don't have the answers.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  Well, you know there's a hurricane. Hurricanes have a static field outside of them.

• 1:10:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What was it called Hurricane Brandon?

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Hurricane Aaron.

• 1:10:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Aaron.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was underreported, it wasn't non-reported, it was underreported.

• 1:10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, right, right, Hurricane Aaron, that's right.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  And you know how TV stations love to, you know, make, just really make it for all it's worth. Oh, and there was a airline attendant flying out of Boston that morning. He saw the people who supposedly disappeared whoops into, into Tower One or Two, I forget which. He saw them that morning in the office and then anyway flew out the other direction. But they never talked, he was totally unaware there was a category three hurricane right there.

• 1:10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  All of that, I can get there. The directed energy, let's not use the W words, I don't want to upset you. The directed energy side, I-

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  It's just the mechanism, just call it the mechanism of what happened. Don't give it a name.

• 1:10:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I just don't want to upset you, but it's been great spending time with you. It's been great-

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  This is evidence.

• 1:11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, that's great. And like I said, I'm going to put the book below, Rob, if you can put the clip, the link to the book, where did the towers go, and we'll put the clip to you, the link to your website as well. And if the audience wants to get ahold of you, they will, well, thank you for coming out, this was great. Appreciate you.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:11:20Patrick Bet-David?

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