520 The Secret to Extreme Weight Loss and Happy Marriages with Chris and Heidi Powell

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 520 with New York Times bestselling authors Chris and Heidi Powell.

• 0:09Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:35Lewis Howes?

  The body achieves what the mind believes. Now I'm excited for this episode because we have a powerhouse entrepreneurial fitness brand couple in the Greatness Studios and they are Chris and Heidi Powell, also widely known as the Transformation Specialists and hosts of ABC's documentary style series Extreme Weight Loss. They've had over five seasons that had huge ratings and the Powells continue to touch lives weekly as Extreme Weight Loss airs in syndication on TLC and OWN Networks Worldwide.

• 1:14Lewis Howes?

  Now they've written two books and have soared to the top of the New York Times Bestseller List. They've appeared regularly on national syndicated TV shows like Good Morning America, The Dr. Oz Show, The View and Live with Kelly and Michael. And today we go in deep and intimate, breaking down where they were literally like five to eight years ago. Chris was sleeping in his car and they were both struggling and they found each other and they started to boom and blossom as a relationship together and also in their careers with their brands, doing things that blew their minds and really transformed so many people over the world.

• 1:55Lewis Howes?

  And in this interview, we talk about the tools that have kept their marriage healthy through all the different transition, the press, the awareness, their brands both blowing up and how they continue to keep it alive and together, how they've also both Manage their egos with so much going on in both their lives. Whether you should follow the money or follow your dream. Ooh, this is a good one. And also how people get to obesity. You know, I kind of am so curious. How do people, once they get to 50, 70, 100 pounds overweight? How do they keep going without making a change? The mentality, the habits, the routines? We break that down.

• 2:37Lewis Howes?

  Also, what integrity momentum is and why it works? And we cover so many other things. There's some, some very touching and vulnerable moments towards the end. So make sure to stick around because these are just two human beings that I just fell in love with instantly. And hope to build a stronger relationship for many, many years to come and get to connect with them more in person. Cause I just love their attitude, their energy, their mindset and what they've built. And what they're still building is amazing. But before we dive in, I want to give a shout out to the fan of the week. It's from Jake Van Ness, who says, I found Lewis's School of Greatness podcast a few weeks ago. And I've been obsessed with the podcast and everything else he is doing across all his platforms.

• 3:23Lewis Howes?

  The main show has such an awesome variety of guests from sports figures to business greats, social media, YouTube stars, celebrities and other motivators. And every show brings out the character of the guest and I feel like I get to know so much more about them. His three truths and definition of greatness questions close the show off with fire and you feel pumped. Then there is five minute Friday shows and I usually listen to them on Monday morning. And it gives me the kick in the pants I need to start the week charged. Can't recommend this podcast enough. There aren't many podcasts that I take the time to go back into the archives to find more because I can't get enough. But this is one I do. There are so many great shows and they never feel dated.

• 4:06Lewis Howes?

  Thank you for all you do, Lewis and keep the fire coming. Well, Jake Van Ness, that was a long testimonial, but we appreciate it. And you are the fan of the week. Now, if you guys want to be considered to get a shout out on the show, just go ahead and leave us a review over on iTunes.com slash greatness. And let us know what you think. Go leave a review over on the podcast for your chance to be the review of the week. Also, the Summit of Greatness ticket sales double in price in just a few days. Make sure to go to SummitOfGreatness.com. If you want to hear from the most inspiring speakers in the world, people like Brendon Bouchard,

• 4:46Lewis Howes?

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• 5:31Lewis Howes?

  So hit me a tag @lewishouse while you're listening and let me know what you think. And without further ado, let me introduce you the one, the only, Chris and Heidi Powell.

• 5:44Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back to the School of Greatness Podcast. We have Chris and Heidi Powell. Good to see you guys. Good to see you too. That was a weak high five. There we go.

• 5:55Lewis Howes?

  I'm so glad we got to connect. We were just talking about all the people we have in common, all the friends we have in common. I'm sure there's probably 100 more, right? Small world. Very small world and you guys are unbelievable inspiration to so many people around the world from your show, Extreme Weight Loss, which was a massive hit for what, five or six seasons now, right? Five and a half seasons, I'd say. But it's, I'm going to jump in here real quick. It's still a hit. It's still going on, right? Around the world. Syndicated, it's still going on. It's so crazy. It got sold worldwide. It's in like 148 countries around the world now. So it's like mind blowing that it's spread. Yes. Amazing. And who came up with the idea? Did one of you come up with it or was there a talent agent who came up with it and said, you guys should do this or?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  So, long story short, which means get comfortable.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Long story.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Long story long.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Long story is never short.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  So I started doing, uh, my first massive transformation was actually back in 2003 and ended up helping.

• 6:50Lewis Howes?

  For yourself or someone else?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  For somebody else, actually, and I helped, uh, this one gentleman lose 400 pounds in two years.

• 6:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  And through the process, he became my best friend and we ended up living together for a couple of years after that. He ended up posting his before and after pics on MySpace. I'm, I just dated myself here.

• 7:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow, 2003.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 7:08Lewis Howes?

  Before Facebook.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yes, this is a long before. We didn't even know what Facebook was.

• 7:12Lewis Howes?

  I think it was 2004 when Facebook came out, 2000, somewhere around there.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  So he ended up posting his pics on MySpace in about 2006, 2007, and it went viral. And sure enough, overnight, we were getting contacted by 2020 and Oprah and The View. And so it was just, I'm a trainer in Phoenix, Arizona, and I helped this guy through this incredible journey. And sure enough, it just went like wildfire. So it was, it was from then, a friend of mine, who is actually part of, she, uh, she was part of a production company here in Los Angeles, that ended up having a show that was starting to be a hit called The Biggest Loser.

• 7:48Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  She was the casting producer for it. She's like, "Oh my gosh, I saw what you did with your best friend David. It's incredible." I was like, "Well, awesome. We're gonna be doing some more transformations here in, in Phoenix. Do you guys wanna shoot it?" She goes, "Hold on, let me talk to my boss." An hour later, I get an email from the boss, and he's like, "Hey, can you come out to LA?" Well, so I talked to my girlfriend at the time, and I was just like, "Hey, you wanna go to LA? They wanna talk to us." And she, and I was like, "Okay, well, let's do this." So, we couldn't afford a flight, so we got in the car, and we ended up driving out here, sat in front of a whiteboard.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  I acted like his assistant, because they knew who Chris was, but I'm like, even though I was like the business mind, I'm like, "I'll just act like I'm taking notes for you, and I'll tell you if this is a good deal or a bad deal."

• 8:30Speaker 01

  She was my girlfriend, but we we just pretended that she was my assistant. So so we get out there and we sit in front of a whiteboard and I was just and we just mapped out the journey of transformation. Wow. Yeah, they're like, well, let's we need to map like, how do you do what you do? Because we got the show that's a hit on NBC and people are loving this weight loss thing. And I said, well, I've been doing weight loss for years now. Like, this is amazing and it's it's fulfilling and it's life changing. And if we're going to map the journey, we need time like it's we we don't want to do a competition. We we really want to capture what it's like emotionally because there's so much more to it. And they're like, ah, people that they don't want to watch that. And I was like, no, really, like, there's so much to that part because that's really what it's like. And then they're like, well, can you do it in three months?

• 9:12Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not. We need a year like the network will never go for that. So well, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you guys, but we need a year to do what we do. Yeah. And they said, well, for extremely, exactly. Suction, right?

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's something that has like a big impactful change. Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  And I remember actually in the meeting, they were like, gosh, I think the most the network will ever go for is six months and that's pushing.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  They won't budge past that. And we said, I I don't know what to do, guys, but if we're going to do this right and we're going to map this thing out. So we mapped out a year of transformation. They're like,

• 9:44Speaker 01

  we'll see if we can sell it. We'll see what we can do. Sure. And we didn't hear anything for what? Three months?

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Two months, three months?

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was June that we went out and October is when we got a call.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Wow. Random phone call. I'm in the kitchen. You're sitting at the desk. We had like a desk in the middle of our kitchen because like we cleared the whole thing out because we were just hustling at the time. And so get a phone call and it's the CEO of the production company. He's like, and he's he's really dramatic. He's like amazing with timing. And he's just like, dude. And it's like this long drawn out beat. And I'm like, hello, hey, what what's going on? He's like, we sold your show. Like in a voice like that.

• 10:23Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  And I was just like, oh, that's awesome. Congratulations because you know, when and as we were creating the show, we were consultants on the development of a show, which we were just thrilled to do. I mean, we were helping them build the show. And they were going to put like a um, a celebrity trainer on the show. And like as we built it out, like we built it out for that. And um, I mean, even though we would have loved to.

• 10:46Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Like secretly, we're like, oh gosh, I wish I could do this, but we built it for them. And um, he's like, dude, we sold the show. I was like, awesome, congratulations. Go team. He's like, no, no, dude, you don't get it. We sold the show. And I was like, oh, I heard you. Congratulations. I was like, that's, it'll look great on the resume.

• 11:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  You know, and he's like, no dude, we sold the show to ABC. And I was like, oh my gosh, a network, you sold the show. This is fantastic. And so then again, long drawn out pause and I'm like, wait, who's the guy? So who's going to host it? And he's like, wait, pause, pause, pause, you are. I was like.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  And I look at him, I'm like.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  So what does this mean?

• 11:32Lewis Howes?

  You're right.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  He goes, well, it means pack your bags. You're leaving in five weeks. And then it was just a five year run from there. I mean, three hundred and sixty-five days a year, five years in a row. Yeah, and.

• 11:44Lewis Howes?

  Didn't you have kids at the time?

• 11:45Speaker 02

  So I actually had two kids from a previous marriage. We were not yet married. We ended up getting married about, um, well, we were, our, our plan was to never get married. We were just going to be life partners.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  We're going to be life partners.

• 11:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Didn't work. We ended up getting married.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  It sounded really cool at the time, you know?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  You know, he really wanted a baby and the way that my other two kids had been raised, we had, I decided it was probably best that we get married just to, so we don't have too much explaining to do or whatever. Um, so yeah, we ended up getting pregnant, married and pregnant, like within the next year. So the first year of the show.

• 12:16Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  So yeah, the traveling began.

• 12:19Lewis Howes?

  And you traveled with them? Were you on the show originally as well, casted?

• 12:22Speaker 02

  What? No, I was not cast originally. What happened? So we're both trainers. I was a trainer from the time I was eighteen years old, just had a fit kind of lifestyle and he's the one who got me back into it when I met him a couple of years prior. But when he started traveling for the show, we had only worked with one, maybe two of these super obese clients at a time. All of a sudden on the show, Chris has eight people No way. that he's working with at a time. For the first six months. Now, now, let me say this. Six months into season one, ABC was so excited about the results that they ended up picking up a season two. So we started season two In the middle. in the middle. Yeah. Added on eight more. Was, was season two eight more people? So we had 16 at once. And then every year thereafter, our cast was no smaller than 16

• 13:07Speaker 02

  people per year, 16 to 20. Wow. So right off the bat, within the first week, Chris is like, he'd phone home and be like, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know. I, I don't even know how to handle it. So I was right off the bat, just his kind of life coach. I would say, Kay, Yeah. you can only control so much. One day at a time. No, it was 100%. And that's, our approach at the time was a lot more diet and exercise related. And as we got into it, and we had all of these people in one place at one time, we realized, as Chris would kind of phone home, and we realized the behaviors that they exhibited were so similar to that of a drug addict. Like, they were just a food addict. And it all stemmed from something that went so much deeper than that they loved food. That's, I, I had a decade

• 13:52Speaker 02

  long eating disorder. And then I have family members that kind of delved into the, well, a couple that spent some time in rehabilitation clinics, which was such a blessing for me and for Chris, because he got to be there for a lot of it. And we learned things, not really seeing how much it connected, but as he would phone home with all these issues, I'm like, Chris, oh, my gosh, Kay, wait, what about, this is so similar to this. Let's go ahead and talk to him about that. So we would slowly incorporate the things that were drug rehabilitation related. And our whole methodology kind of shifted, and it made it easier. So Chris would Um, travel on the road and then he would, he would work with half of the people he'd, they'd end up sending half back to Arizona where I was because he couldn't handle all eight at the time. Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  So I ended up running a boot camp. I got pregnant in the meantime, had a couple of kids, like no rest, like literally.

• 14:43Lewis Howes?

  So they were staying at home half the time when they're at your guys' boot camp facility or wherever.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, we actually would keep four to six at any given time throughout any season, four to six.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Any that were struggling, we'd send them to Arizona, they could spend time with Heidi and she could work with them there, then I'd be on the road with the other four to six.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Spinning plates, we call them.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Ten to twelve, yeah.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  But yeah.

• 15:03Lewis Howes?

  So they had to, they had to move then essentially for six months or something.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  If they were struggling, they would come there for a month, two months, sometimes three.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  And, and some of it would just be, yeah, some it would just be.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  It's like a halfway house.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And for some it was just maybe a week where they just spent time and they needed some kind of like, you know. Like a reset. Reset, yeah, absolutely. And I think, um, one of the, it, it made such a difference and Chris and I've realized this right off the bat. For people to come to our home, they, they did not trust Chris right off the bat. No one did. They all thought he was just a, a celebrity and you know, he's only there for camera time.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  And for him to be able to say, hey, go stay with my wife and my kids and you know, obviously he vetted them for sad background.

• 15:47Lewis Howes?

  They stayed in your home?

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Yes, off the bat, they stayed in my home. Now, I don't, was kind of off the record with.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, hold on.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Well, but, but it is, it's a fact of.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Now, that's after the fact, we can totally say that, yes.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and it was more us inviting because we knew that they needed that.

• 16:02Lewis Howes?

  That relationship and the trust.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  That was it.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Built such a huge amount of trust between a lot of the girls that had a hard time trusting Chris right off the bat. Loved him after because I know his family. I know, you know, his kids. I was pregnant at the time. Half of them went to the hospital with me when I had my babies.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  And they get to know us without cameras because the thing is, we surprise them, there's cameras there. Every time I, like I'll show up, there's cameras. And then the moment the cameras go away, that's when the magic happens and that's when we can build a relationship.

• 16:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Because helping someone through a journey of transformation, I mean, we've got them for a full year and so we, we, and trust is everything.

• 16:37Lewis Howes?

  It's huge.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  And at first, when, you know, because. We were new to production, so we didn't know how the whole thing worked. And so, yeah, and so we, we immediately, we didn't have that. And then we realized the more vulnerable we were, because you know, you come in there and you're like, I'm the trainer, you're the client. I'm the expert. Yep.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  And there's no relatability off the bat. They're like, you don't know what I'm going through. You've never been overweight, you know?

• 16:57Speaker 01

  And then the more we opened up about ourselves and our own struggles and how we got to where we are now and like, it turned more into, guys, we're all in this together. We're all like going through this crazy journey of life and we're all human. Let's work together and let's get, you help me get where I want to go. I'm going to help you get where you want to go. And let's all like, and we can develop these amazing friendships in the process. And we did. Crazy. It was awesome. How'd you guys meet originally?

• 17:21Speaker 02

  You know, we actually met.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  MySpace?

• 17:24Speaker 02

  We.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Opposite of.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  No, I've actually never downloaded the Tinder app. Let's just get that.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Neither have I, for the record. Happily married. Thank you.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  I think that came about after we were married anyway. I don't know. But all the production guys had Tinder. I remember that.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Um, we actually met, believe it or not. So right after I, I was divorced, had two kids, kind of, um, had been through a pretty rough patch. I'm like, wait, do I filter this?

• 17:55Speaker 01

  No, I just, I let, let's. Let it go. It's Lewis. Come on.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  I'll just say this. I, I definitely went through a rough patch after my first marriage. Well, I, I was raised, gosh, I'm a long story short. Here we go again.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  They got the tissues. Here we go.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  I was raised in a very religious community and family. And I think in a, in a way, and I speak for myself, no one else, because I'm, I'm sure everyone has a different experience, but I was definitely sheltered quite a bit. Didn't really know what the real world was, got married really young, uh, married at nineteen. Well, I guess I met him when I was nineteen. I think we were married when I was like twenty or something, but it was just, um, didn't, I had never really fallen, had, I'd never been given the opportunity to fall on my face. I had a dad that cared so much about me, so much so. Oh, like I spent my days grounded over nothing, but he wanted to keep me, like, he just wanted me at home. So the world didn't get to me.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  And so life was a little bit of a shock, um, after marriage. And then, you know, when the marriage didn't work out, it, I was like, oh my gosh, I actually have this thing called freedom and agency and I can. Do what I want?

• 19:10Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Oh, my goodness.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  What does that mean, do what you want? Louis and I would like to know.

• 19:14Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  I mean, I had never touched even alcohol up to that point in my life. And so it was just this, there was this period of time where I, I kind of experienced people.

• 19:25Lewis Howes?

  Had fun.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  And beverages.

• 19:27Lewis Howes?

  Of course. No judgment here.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  No, hey, but yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  But A, it was, I think it was only about three months long, but it was a jam packed three months. I will say that.

• 19:37Lewis Howes?

  You were all in.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I was all in and I, I think there's definitely, there was a little bit of a, a huge guilt factor associated with it because I had two little kids at the time and it was like when they were.

• 19:47Lewis Howes?

  This after the divorce or after?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  This was after the divorce, yeah.

• 19:50Lewis Howes?

  Got it, got it.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  So when the kids would go to their dads, I would kind of, you know, have a little bit of fun and then, yeah. And, um.

• 19:56Lewis Howes?

  How long were you, when did you get divorced? How old were you?

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Um, 25 or 26ish.

• 20:02Lewis Howes?

  Marriage?

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Yep, it was, good, good math, yeah.

• 20:05Lewis Howes?

  Pretty good, right? 20 to 25.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  It was five years by the time the divorce was final.

• 20:10Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Um, so anyway, I ended, and I also found myself, I, I naturally am a people pleaser. Big time, which is a huge pro and it's a huge con at the same time. And I found myself in a lot of situations where I didn't want to make people feel poorly about themselves. And so I would naturally, um, just be in a situation where deep down, I'm like, I, I don't know how to get out of this. I feel bad, this person's really nice. I don't want to make him feel bad about himself. And so I realized, hey, this, it was just time for me to make a change. I actually went and saw a therapist and the therapist was like, I can help you, but you would get a lot more help in a shorter period of time if you did this self improvement course first.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, okay, I'll do whatever at this point. I just, I, I want to be able to tell people no. I want to be able to control my own life and I didn't know how to do it because I, anytime I hurt. Yeah, if I hurt your feelings, it were, it was a reflection of who I was in my life.

• 21:06Lewis Howes?

  You say, okay, I'll do whatever you want.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Yes, 100%.

• 21:08Lewis Howes?

  She took this course.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, took the course. Um, I went on a little lunch break one day and was, I had, you know, no makeup, sweats, like a hat on. Like, I was not there for a man because I was, you know, I had been manned out.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Sending the signal. Don't, don't talk to me.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Yes, that signal. And I, I picked up my, um, lunch out of the cooler because I packed my own lunch, you know, I'm a fitness girl. And this guy from behind me was like, I want to know what you do to get those biceps.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  I didn't pick up on the signal.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  I had another one of these guys. And I turned around.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Show him your biceps and you'll see why. It was legitimate. I was genuine. Like, I was genuinely asking. I was like,

• 21:48Lewis Howes?

  No, my girlfriend's got a jacked biceps.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Yes, right? Yeah, exactly.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  No, no, I was, I was flexing for the camera right there. But, but yeah, and I remember turning around and seeing Chris and I was like, oh gosh, like, it's a gym rat. Like, this is not going to work out. I don't even want to talk to this guy. So I kind of, I spent the next day and a half avoiding it, a little, or avoiding not it, him.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  But, but he was so, he was really, it was endearing because I remember you standing up in front of the, um, mic at one point. I didn't know why you were there, you know, what brought you there at that point. And you were so nervous up there, which you've never been nervous in front of a microphone. But then I was like, oh, is he nervous because I'm here? Because he, you know, he had brought me a couple of gifts every day. He'd show up with a gift. It was, but he was just so nice. So it was actually the final night. I ended up giving him a ride back to his car and we sat in my car for a while and talked. And right off the bat, he's like, look, I don't want a relationship. I'm like, good, neither do I. I'm a single mom of two. But we just hit it off, best friends. We were friend, he had, he, Chris had just moved out of his car. He had struggled with a handful of things himself and

• 22:56Speaker 02

  landed back on his feet, kind of. He was getting back on his feet at the time.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I lived out of my car for like six months. I lost everything.

• 23:04Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  He was like, $200,000 in debt.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  This is just nine years ago. I, I was living out of my car. And it's,

• 23:10Lewis Howes?

  How'd you lose it all?

• 23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  So. Were you a fitness trainer before this? I was. And in fact, I had already had all the success from helping my friend David lose all the weight. So I had been on Oprah and Today Show in 2020. Yes. Before you guys met? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  I had no idea who he was.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  2006 and 2007 was when everything took off as far as like me being like the, the fitness guy, the transformation specialist. The guy. Yeah, the guy. Like, and I was the go-to guy in Arizona and I was helping all these people lose weight. And I had this grandiose dream. Like, so I. Open a gym? Well.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  You've heard that story before? No, my, mine was I, I invented a nutrition system, actually. And it was called Stacks. I went, I got a provisional patent on it and I tool the factory in China. And I ran 12,000 of them and I borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars to make this product and they shipped it over and it was junk. And it, and it was, but the concept was brilliant. Yeah. And but the, the concept of it was brilliant. I mean, this is 2005 and like, I'm passionate about helping people change their lives. And nutrition was such a, it was such a complex thing for so many people to get, but it was, the concept is, it's still really like amazing. It's, it's a cooler system.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  It has since been knocked off a couple of times.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Dude. Yeah, it's been knocked off twice.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Just in case he knows any of the owners of the other company.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  So rewind to 2005 and I'll, I'll let you guys do the math here because you're gonna, you're, you're gonna know and you'll, you'll recognize you'll be like, dude, that sounds just like, uh huh. I presented it to them too, by the way. So anyway, um, it's a cooler system and it's got portion control containers that are color coded. So there's like pink for protein, yellow for carbs, green for veggies, and it's got marked in dish on the side. Just fill it up based on your weight. Yeah. And it, and they stack inside of it. It's called stacks for your breakfast snack, lunch, snack, dinner. Like in a backpack. Yep, exactly. And there's a timer that goes off every three hours when it's time for your next meal. Timer goes off, you pull it. So the concept was there and I, I, I had 12,000 of these things that I ran, but I just got, yeah. But the thing is like when you run it, I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know quality. I'm a trainer with this.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  It wasn't work. I mean, the product wasn't quality is what you're saying. That's exactly it. They messed it up or it was like janky. It was all janky and it just wasn't what I had ordered. And, and but, and the factory went, well, you owe, yeah, you owe us $250,000 now. And I went, I don't. Now I have to turn around and try to sell products that I can't sell because it's not sellable.

• 25:30Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  I I went belly up. I lost everything and.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  We ended up over time salvaging those units. We did when I came because he Chris is a dreamer. Like they say, you gotta have a dreamer and you gotta have a doer. And we really are. We are so opposite in that way. Such a dreamer has taught me how to dream a little. Such a doer and we kind of rub off on each other, but he when I met him, he was like, I have all this stuff. I don't know what to do with it. So.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  I'm in two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  We salvaged.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  And yeah, and I was literally driving around and sleeping on friends couches because I I lost everything.

• 26:02Lewis Howes?

  Is that when you met Dean? You slept on his couch then?

• 26:04Speaker 01

  As a matter of fact, Dean, Dean Graziosi, he knew me back then. And yeah, and I remember sleeping on his couch a couple of times.

• 26:11Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he took me up to Vegas with them and it like it was. It was nice just to be able to like just escape from my reality because like life was not good. It was. I look back and what a blessing, but oh, my gosh, it was just a really, it was a big struggle then. And and actually I ended up the the guy David, who's my best friend at the time, his family opened up their doors to me and they let me sleep on their couch for three months while I got back on my feet.

• 26:35Lewis Howes?

  The guy who helped transform?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So there his whole family opened up their their doors to me and opened up their arms and they said, just come live with us. You're family. And so they helped me out and I like lived there for, yeah, for three of the six months and slowly got back on my feet. And then I a buddy of mine was like, hey, I went to this, you know, this seminar really helped turn turn my perspective around. You gotta check it out.

• 26:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Motion Intelligence Seminar?

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So sure enough, I was like, I just put it off for a while. Then I was like, I'll just go. And I went and I met her.

• 27:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  And um.

• 27:08Lewis Howes?

  It transformed your life.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  It it really, it really did. And in in so many ways, but um, you know, and and at the time, like we were both, it was great because we were like, I'm not interested in a relationship. In our very first conversation, I think the first words out of my mouth after talking about her biceps was, I'm broke. I'm completely broke. I have nothing, but I've got really big dreams. I'm I'm gonna help transform the world.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  And I loved it. Like his car, the window didn't roll up all the way. The door didn't shut. Like within a month of me hanging out with him, I was helping him get it repossessed because the creditors were after him. I mean, I loved how authentic and honest he was, whereas I. I had only been around people that were trying to present themselves as something that they weren't.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  I can see through it.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  So quickly. So I loved. And he's like, come over to my house, you know, and I go over and he had like a blow up mattress and two chairs. And that was like it, in the whole house.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  That's right. Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  One hundred percent.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  I got those chairs out of the dumpster in the back. Sure, sure.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  I, I just thought, and he didn't care. Like, he wore like the same tennis shoes every single day, but worked so hard and had like, I mean, I, his dreaming ability is just insane. And I remember listening, he's like, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And I'm like, wow, you, like, in my mind, part of me was like, I don't know if you're gonna be able to do all that, but I would tell him no matter what. I would say, you, you can and you should. Cause in my mind, I knew like, the only way, everyone needs support. And if there's anyone in his life, if there's anyone in my life that tells me I can't do something, it plants a seed that I can't. And so together, we would just, you know, I worked for free for him for, I don't know, years and years until we got married and had kids and,

• 28:44Speaker 02

  and even then, it's, now it's all ours. But like, just worked because I, his ability to rally people is unlike anything you have ever seen before. Like he just, when he speaks something, you're like,

• 28:59Speaker 01

  I'm in.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  That's insane, but I am in. Like it really, and yeah, it's the whole, if you can dream it, you can do it. I, I, I've always said this, like, you, Chris, are the epitome of that. Because it, it's, it's insane to actually see someone manifest something, like say it, and then make it happen.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Like, and not give up until we get there. Like, it is.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Willing to wait ten years. Oh, yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Who's in the room?

• 29:26Speaker 01

  And then some.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Is it not the most insane thing? It's just go and go and go and go and go. And like, he is so single eyed, single minded.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Somebody to believe in my dreams. Cause I started to lose faith in my ability. Right. During my struggles. That's why I lost, I, I stopped dreaming during that time because life slapped me down. So for the first time, it was after I met her, someone believed in my dreams again. And because she believed, then I believed. And then I, and, and it just, it fueled it. And, and no joke, it was within nine months of us coming together. I'm a host of a television show on ABC.

• 30:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow, crazy.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  And boom, boom, boom, boom. And now we're writing books and now we're growing a family and all these things that we're like we're manifesting and we would dream it together now and it wasn't just me dreaming. It was like now we could dream together and we could believe in each other and which we need. Because sometimes you don't believe in yourself. That's just the fact of the matter. Sometimes you lose that.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's and you can probably attest for this. Like I know how hard Chris and I work, but I also think it's not just about hard work. Cause I know, I'm sure there are people on this earth that work equally as hard as us that are, you know, maybe in a factory somewhere, right? Yeah, yeah. And like I could cry even like hearing you say that because it's it's true and they have the best intentions for their their life and their family, but this is where they're at. Um, and so it's hard for me not to feel like

• 30:54Speaker 02

  this is divine, like there is a, we all have a purpose in this world because for so many things to line up the way that they have, it's just like

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy, huh?

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Where much is given, much is expected though. And to me, I'm like, hey, that is, we have a huge responsibility to uphold, you know, and lives to change and people to help and it's it's definitely not a selfish thing. And in my mind, I feel like the second anything becomes selfish, like that's grounds for all of this being taken away. And I'm sure you can relate. Don't you just feel so

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Look what you've built.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  That's why that gratitude board you have in there. I'm like, that is, ugh, that is everything.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  And the thing is what you're doing is so much greater than just you. I mean, you're you're sharing this inspiration, motivation with the world. And look what you've been able to build in four years.

• 31:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  But but your intention and and the drive behind it.

• 31:44Lewis Howes?

  It's all about intention. I think I think people can achieve these big dreams and make a lot of money, but there's always going to be something missing inside if the intention isn't to serve a bigger purpose than themselves.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 31:53Lewis Howes?

  Or at some point it's going to fall off and you know, there's going to be depression or things. That's why it's like I've always, even with any little success that I have, I'm always surrounding myself with a good team that's just like, alright, how can we continue to impact and inspire and transform in our own way?

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:08Lewis Howes?

  As opposed to how much more, you know, money can we stack up on our bank account?

• 32:12Speaker 01

  That's exactly it, yep.

• 32:13Lewis Howes?

  And a lot of it's me. It's like I try to feel like I don't even have money. I just want to be able to invest it all back into the creation of what we're doing.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:21Lewis Howes?

  Into transforming more people or reaching more people. It's like, how can we make sure we're not going to go broke? But also like invest in as much back into people in the world.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:30Lewis Howes?

  And I think that's the way to do it.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  And you're doing it. And you're following your passion and you're following this vision and this dream. And the money, the finances, just let them follow because they're going to.

• 32:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  But but your your your focus stays exactly where it should be. And as long as as long as that happens, you are bound for greatness, my friend. Yeah, the school of greatness.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  And I love what you're saying. I'm sitting here. I'm like, well, the good news is Chris and I don't have a ton of money. So with as much as we've accomplished, it I look at our accounts and I'm like, you know, it's clear.

• 33:02Lewis Howes?

  Isn't it weird sometimes?

• 33:03Speaker 02

  But yes.

• 33:04Lewis Howes?

  Even when you've made a lot of money that's come through the business, you're like, it's all gone somehow. Like the taxes and the team and the development of products. It's like, there's really not that much left over.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  But then at the same time, I I I've told Chris all the time, I'm like, you know, with or without money, we have everything. I feel like I am the richest human being in the entire world with all the people we have surrounding us. Our kids, our our, oh, our health, like,

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  and just the opportunities to be able to accomplish some of the things that we've been able to accomplish. It's it's amazing.

• 33:38Lewis Howes?

  Rich life.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  With the impact. Oh, my gosh. Yes, it's I I can legitimately say that I am fulfilled in life. I feel great.

• 33:46Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  But I can like, and I can excitedly say that we're just we're just getting started also.

• 33:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Like, it's gonna get that much better. And it's so much greater than us, you know? That's that's the best part about it.

• 33:55Lewis Howes?

  What's been the biggest challenge for you guys as a as a partnership, coming together, a relationship?

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, that's our safe word, right?

• 34:05Lewis Howes?

  My safe word is keep going. John Cena say that in some movie. Yeah, keep going.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  What were you saying?

• 34:13Lewis Howes?

  You guys were both.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Were we talking about your book?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Your nails are digging into my leg right now.

• 34:18Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. You guys were both kind of like, you know, going through a transition and figuring out your lives when you met. It seems like you're both in self-discovery, struggling, right? And then, and then, and then within years, quickly you had this kind of recognition, fame, success, whatever. People knew who you were. You had your show. You started to make some money, some opportunities came in. What was the biggest challenge as I guess you started to grow, you know, well-known and

• 34:47Speaker 02

  I didn't.

• 34:47Lewis Howes?

  You weren't as well-known and, you know, and there's opportunities. There's women throwing themselves at you. There's shiny objects. There's all these other things happening. You're getting all these opportunities.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Women and men throwing themselves at you.

• 35:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly. The fitness world specifically.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  They weren't quite sure he was married or not yet.

• 35:02Lewis Howes?

  Right, exactly.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  So he's fair game, you know?

• 35:04Lewis Howes?

  So I guess as a relationship, how did you guys continue to stay strong? Or were you not strong for a time?

• 35:10Speaker 01

  No, no, we, we, we struggled. We, I mean, I think just like, I think as, as so many people would.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Maybe I should answer this.

• 35:20Lewis Howes?

  And you had two kids.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  I feel like you're sitting under the bus.

• 35:21Lewis Howes?

  And you had two kids.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  I had two kids, yeah.

• 35:24Lewis Howes?

  And so it's like, should we get married or do I want to be with someone who's got kids already? You know, when you don't have kids yet, right?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that, that was actually a really big struggle right off the bat. Um, you know, even meeting her, you know, she, she, as soon as she told me she had two kids, I was like, whoa, friend zone. Okay, here we go. We're cool. And, and, and same thing.

• 35:40Lewis Howes?

  Or hook up buddies, okay?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Actually, we weren't even hooking up. I was so like, oh, I'm done with men.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  We were legitimately friends.

• 35:47Lewis Howes?

  Well, that's great.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, for probably about four months or so, um, until actually I, believe it or not, it was something I was terrified. I was terrified of kids. And I was like, oh, when I have my own, it'll be good. But then we were, we, our relationship grew and grew. And then I actually saw her with her daughter for the first time, like being a mom, probably. Four or five months into our friendship and she brought her daughter Marley over.

• 36:11Lewis Howes?

  You fell in love even more.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh. Dude, I saw that and I was like, that is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 36:17Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  And that's what I was so scared of. Oh my gosh, that's what I want in my life. And that was, that was it. Then I just had to convince her that I'm not just some.

• 36:25Lewis Howes?

  Stay the night with me.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. I'm not just some bachelor who just wants to hook up. Like, this is legitimately the most incredible thing I've ever seen. It was just her being a mom and the love that they had for each other. So that's, that was done and over. I was like, okay, I'm, I'm in. I'm all in there.

• 36:41Lewis Howes?

  And then what was the big challenge then?

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I do, and I, I, this is such a good question because actually no one has ever asked us this, ever. We've spoken about it.

• 36:49Lewis Howes?

  You guys seem like you have it all figured out. You guys are like some.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  And we don't.

• 36:51Lewis Howes?

  Loving it, together, connected.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  And we, when, when we take a moment and we're, we talk about what we're grateful for, which happens often.

• 36:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  It is, that is what bonds us and brings us together. But we have just as many, if not more in some ways, struggles as other couples because of what we deal with. And yeah, like what you're talking about, that's, it is, it's a challenge you don't expect and you don't even know is there. We know. Now, so bear with me if I, um, don't make a lot of sense here, but.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  I'll let you start this and then I'll, I'll talk about.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Um, so yes, it was, actually that was, and totally unexpected, an actual very difficult time for me for a couple of reasons. So when the show was, we were shooting that first year. Now, when, when we were shooting the first year, life was the same, like status quo.

• 37:34Lewis Howes?

  It wasn't on the show.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  It wasn't on air yet. Yeah, like, and, and to me, Chris and I were always equal. Like, he, you know, was the dreamer and he was kind of.

• 37:42Lewis Howes?

  Executing everything.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  And I was executing and he appreciated.

• 37:45Lewis Howes?

  Keeping him together and like.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  And if I feel appreciated, I am golden. Like, I don't need money. I don't, I just need appreciation and to be told I am, you know, enough. That's, that's what I need. And, um, at the time, so in the middle of the year, my dad passed away and then about the time, which was just really hard for me. And then about the time the show aired, actually a couple of days after the very first show aired, I had Cash, our first child. So I was pregnant and totally hormonal anyway.

• 38:12Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Um, so I will say at that time and after, a lot of things compound. I, I really struggled to see my value. And I was helping behind the scenes on the show and I was giving, I mean, from the time the show started until ever, I was giving 20 hours a day. And we had people staying in my home with me. I felt like in a lot of ways, you know, Chris would travel and be like. I'm just waiting to surprise James here. I have all day to do nothing.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  And you're like, three kids.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  I had three kids, a newborn baby. My dad had just passed away. I have six people in town from the show. Like, I was literally going, like, I would have breakdowns.

• 38:50Lewis Howes?

  Why am I doing this?

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Oh, I would. I'd be like, yeah, and luckily I had someone I was working, I had helping me out in Arizona. But I'd be like, I can't handle this anymore. This is crazy. They, they want me. They need me. They're mad at me. I mean, it was just, everything was compound at once. And then add to it, yeah, when, when the recognition with Chris started and we would, everywhere we would go, everywhere.

• 39:10Lewis Howes?

  He's getting praise.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  And you know, that.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  And I felt horrible. Like, people would say, oh, my gosh. And I'd be like, oh, jeez. And I'd be like, this is my wife. She's amazing. She does everything with me.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  I think too, I really had a hard time with, um, with his, and this isn't the reality. But my story at the time was his focus is more, you know, the show. And I have, I have a, we have a effing family. Like, I have three kids and I am babysitting all of your other kids while you are filming. Like, that was the story I had in my head. And I'm doing all this behind the scenes and you're just, you know. And so there were definite, you know, he'd be like, going to Tennessee, you know, going to Nashville, watching all these bands tonight. And I was just like.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  I stopped all that. I literally, I call up and I'd be like, yeah, I'm just hanging out in the hotel tonight. Nothing going on.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  And then, there were a few times where I would hear stories from production guys, which he wasn't, he wasn't lying.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Oh, he did this crazy picture. So cool.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  They were like, you know, Chris, when he was drinking the other night, like, he over tipped the bar. And I'm like, what?

• 40:14Speaker 01

  No, hold on, hold on. That happened like twice.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  No, Texas and Nashville. I'll tell you exactly. Fort Worth and Nashville is the two times they drank with the crew.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  But part of the problem was.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  And it was literally like a drink, because I do not, do not do alcohol.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  I will say this. Part of the problem was I was perpetually pregnant on the show and, and/or nursing. So I was like, woo, I mean, the whole time, all five years. But after the first, what, and it was probably, I have to say, any, the only reason I ever ended up on camera in season two, for the first season, and then three, and then four and five, we were co-hosts. Um, only reason is because Chris was so, he knew I was struggling with my worthiness. And just, he knew how much I was giving. And he wanted me to feel that.

• 41:00Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Accomplishment and that acknowledgement. So he, any chance he would get and it was, it would make me cry. I would sit there watching interviews and I will cry now.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  But no, really you, he was the sweetest and he would like, he would be sitting in a boardroom with all of these media people like for the show, you know, it was, it was ABC had set up this huge press conference and he, they would ask a question and say, you've done this, this and this for your people. And he would say, guys, like the magic is my wife. Like he would literally, and I'd be like, gosh, but I really think like him doing that so much made people like, Kate, who's this white? Like who's this secret weapon? Then they're like, put her on camera. And I'm like, what am I doing? I don't know how to be on camera. I don't know what I'm doing, you know, and

• 41:53Speaker 01

  I was just, just follow me. Let's just do this. Let's, let's go. Let's have some fun.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  It was so uncomfortable for me. I just wanted his acknowledgement, his love, but our executive producer, the showrunner was just, he loved, he loved the reality of what was happening. He loved that the people were a part of our family. He loved that Chris and I did this together and over time, he was like, gosh, we, we've got to make this. Like you, the world needs to see like what's really happening.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  And it's, that was the reality of it. It wasn't me. It was us and we were doing it. And so it was, it was a natural pull to bring her in and so that they can really capture how this whole thing works.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I'm an ugly cry.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  No, and, and it was, and it was, it was so awesome. And since, you know, before you know it, season three, they introduced Heidi and then her, and then all of a sudden people like, we go places and people start freaking out because it's Heidi Powell.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  I'll cry about now because I don't feel like I deserve it, you know?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  And, um, yeah, but, but, but even, even at that, I mean, like, when like something that, that we definitely struggled with also is like, then all of a sudden like her brand starts to grow, you know, and mine's up here. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, now, now all these people are freaking out when, when they see her.

• 43:05Lewis Howes?

  You're not getting the attention.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  And I'm like, well, what about me? What about me? Exactly.

• 43:09Lewis Howes?

  So how do you guys manage your egos in the whole situation as well?

• 43:13Speaker 01

  You know, it, and it just being totally transparent, it, it still is a challenge sometimes. Well, when, when all of a sudden things started to grow big with her. It it actually brought about something I've struggled with for a long time that I didn't even know was there and I'll I'll never forget when it actually came up. We're sitting in a Starbucks parking lot. Um, and all of a sudden like Heidi is like, everybody wants Heidi and she's getting speaking engagements and all these things are happening. And I ended up like breaking down in this parking lot. And and because as her brand started to grow, I've just, I've always had this innate fear.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Um, that I'm, and I'm just scared of losing her. And so I've always been terrified that she's gonna leave me. And and if I don't have that value, then, you know, is because when I'm here, she, she wants to be with me and and. Desirable. Yeah, and it's so crazy because she met me when I had nothing and all of a sudden things took off and I kept thinking she loves me and we've got all these things going on because I'm here. And now she's coming up and so then she's not gonna need me anymore. And so I, and so that that just brought like for for me, that was a huge struggle. And again, it all stems, you know, deep inside, there's, there's an eight year old kid who feels like he, he doesn't have any value. And so he feels like it's all these things that he's created and that's why people love him.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  You know, and it's, oh, if I, as long as I keep creating, then people are gonna love me for it. You know, and and so it brought it, I got stripped down of everything and it was just me and her in the car and I just broke down. I said, I am, I am so terrified that you're gonna leave me. That when, if if I don't have this anymore or if now, now that you're, you're above me, you're there, you're not gonna need me.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Which I'm not.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  No, but but.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Her story.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  That had to come out and and so now, and and that was just a couple of years ago and and it's great because now it's there and it's so crazy because like I'm aware of it. But there's still those feelings that I I'm still working through and it's like I in finding the just the value in and of myself and not in what I create and not in. In or how you know, basically in the brand or anything.

• 45:31Lewis Howes?

  So how do you guys build a great marriage and business partnership, working together with your business together, your brands and also being married? How do you keep it strong? How do you, do you have rituals or habits that you guys do together every morning, every night during the day? Like what makes it continue to be strong when those fears come up?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  I, I will say this, I think the foundation of it is actually our wedding ring. Excuse me, it's my best friend, it's blurred together because it's been so long. But it's my best friend in my, in my handwriting on his finger and his handwriting on mine. It is if, as long as we remember and we will have times, like I mean, maybe once a week where we're like, okay, would you treat your best friend like this? And the other one is quickly like, no. Okay. And it's the ability to be vulnerable, which is really hard to do and authentic, you know, in moments where, you know, either of us are heated. If we can stop ourselves and bring ourselves there and deep down, even if, you know, we're reacting,

• 46:36Speaker 02

  we're saying things we shouldn't because we do, we're human.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Both of us, we know, like when he's acting a certain way, I'm like, he knows in his mind right now that he shouldn't be saying this, maybe he just needs to, I just need to walk away for a little bit. But we're not perfect, we, we definitely have big fights. But I will say, excuse me, guys, your ability to recognize what you're doing wrong after the fact is incre- I don't even have that.

• 47:05Lewis Howes?

  You're quick to recognize.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  It's sometimes not quick, but.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  I need to walk away and I gotta cool off.

• 47:10Lewis Howes?

  Sooner.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  But usually you'll, you'll get an apology within about a half an hour.

• 47:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's good.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 47:14Lewis Howes?

  Once you breathe, you're like.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  That's it, yeah, yeah.

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  Who am I being?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:18Lewis Howes?

  Ego or coming from love, yeah.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Yes, and mostly it's coming from me and I'm just being, it's most of the time coming from ego.

• 47:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Coming from some, some sort of fear, yeah, or some sort of hurt. And then, and then I just, I just need to step away, identify where it's coming from, feel what I'm feeling, then I'll come back and apologize. And that's really helped out a lot because if I dug my heels in on that and didn't apologize and I wouldn't blame you like it would just it would be a disaster. But it works really well and likewise and a lot of times like she'll know sometimes when I'm coming from a place and she can see the matrix, man. She's the ultimate life coach. She's like, you're coming from a place of fear right now. It's all ego. You're just trying to look.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  But I try not to say anymore.

• 47:56Lewis Howes?

  You want to be right.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then of course, at the time I'm all, no, I'm not.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Usually with a few other words.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Deep down inside of my, yeah, right. Damn, she totally just called me out.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  She's very understanding. And then when I, and then when I apologize, she's always gracious. Thank you. And likewise, it takes a little more time for her to apologize to me too. Yeah, that's exactly it.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Because I've never wronged.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  I'm patient. Yeah, I'm patient. I can wait for it. But balance is definitely something we still struggle with. I mean, especially like now, there's so much going on in our lives and on the most wonderful levels, you know, as far as business goes and our family and like everything's awesome. But we have not taken enough time for each other. We simply haven't.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  But, but you say that, but then I also, I have times where, you know, that's my story to myself always is we don't have enough, you know, there's not enough time for family or me, whatever. But then at the same time, I sit there and I'm like, but would I have it any other way? No, because guess what? Like, we might not go to a movie once a week and we might not take vacations for the purpose of vacationing, you know, once a month or whatever, once a year. But we get to build something freaking incredible together. Like, how many other couples get to and can do that? Because some spouses can't even like be in the same room for an hour together, five minutes, you know? We are literally together 24/7 and we make it happen.

• 49:30Lewis Howes?

  I think balance is really a challenging thing. If you want to achieve something at the highest level, I don't think you can have balance.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  We agree.

• 49:38Lewis Howes?

  I don't think you can. I think, I think there's, um, you know, if there's all these different categories of your life, there's your health and wellness, there's your career, there's your relationships, there's your kids, there's whatever fun, play, adventure, vacations. If one thing wants to be great, you need to spend most of your time on that one thing.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:56Lewis Howes?

  And the rest of the stuff, you just have to be intentional with the time you spend on it.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 50:00Lewis Howes?

  And sometimes maybe you add a little more time to some other box of your life, but really. The greatest athletes in the world don't say, "I'm just gonna practice an hour today and I'll be the best."

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:09Lewis Howes?

  They practice the entire day and obsess over it.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:11Lewis Howes?

  Everything they do to give themselves a chance of maybe going to the top. Um, I mean, you experienced this. It's like the, the, the difference between a good NFL player and the best at that position is an obsession of, of it in their life.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:26Lewis Howes?

  There's not this healthy relationships.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:30Lewis Howes?

  Where I'm gonna be obsessed, or I can be, or I can be really good.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:34Lewis Howes?

  You know, so I think, I think.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  You totally agree. Yep.

• 50:37Lewis Howes?

  And it's like.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  You actually just made me feel a lot better. I'm like.

• 50:39Lewis Howes?

  I just think it's a, what's your priority? Do we want to have an equal balance on everything in my, my life? Or do I want to be great at something for five to 10 years and then maybe I've can maintain the momentum and then put other time and energy on something else?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:54Lewis Howes?

  And I don't think you need a lot of time on certain things. Like even when you say you want more time together, you need more time. It's like.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  But do we need it?

• 51:00Lewis Howes?

  If you stared at each other's eyes for 30 minutes a day and focused on like each other for 30 minutes, you probably like, that's all I need.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Right, totally. Yeah.

• 51:07Lewis Howes?

  Or just have like more intimate, vulnerable moments.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, maybe, maybe like 60 seconds.

• 51:13Lewis Howes?

  I mean, if you spent like a few moments where you just like really connected as opposed to like, oh, we're just gonna sit around and like be on our phones.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:19Lewis Howes?

  More time.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 51:21Lewis Howes?

  Then you wouldn't need like hours every day.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Totally, so true. And the fact of the matter is, we did.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Hey, you know what?

• 51:30Lewis Howes?

  Were you in the room or was it in a private room?

• 51:33Speaker 01

  All we needed was two, two and a half minutes?

• 51:37Speaker 01

  That's it, right there. Balance. We just found balance. We're good. Now let's work.

• 51:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  No, you're spot on though. You, you really are.

• 51:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  And that's just the thing. Like, and we have pushed so much of our time and energy into building something because we, we have an opportunity to create something amazing right now. And when, when it comes to transformation and, and really making a dent in this world. And we are, together, we are running full force toward that.

• 52:02Lewis Howes?

  Let me ask you another question. Unless you have something to say about that.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  No, I was gonna say the only thing that does require balance is parenting. Cause we do have kids.

• 52:10Lewis Howes?

  Of course. Definitely need time.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  My kids are my world. They really, truly, I would give up every single thing that I have in this, and I tell him this every day. Every, I would give up every opportunity for those kids because they are that amazing. And it's awesome to see how forgiving they are of us and how wonderful they are. Like luckily we get to work from home when we're in Arizona.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Which really helps.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  And they don't know the difference and they get to climb on our laps as we're working. They get to meet all the people we work with. I mean, they love.

• 52:42Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Life.

• 52:44Lewis Howes?

  It's like a family.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  You know, so yeah, it's funny because I say we're running toward business, but we're kind of taking all these other buckets with us.

• 52:49Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  So we're all kind of in it together.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  I thought we balanced. Jump on my back.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  That's our definition of a balance. That's exactly it.

• 52:56Lewis Howes?

  Now, how did you, now how did you guys both, because the show ended, what, 2015? Is that right?

• 53:02Speaker 02

  Uh, yep.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 53:04Lewis Howes?

  It's syndicated, so it's still out there.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:06Lewis Howes?

  But going from being like the people on ABC, right? And it's like every week you guys are out there and people are talking about your press and Oprah and Dr. Oz. Ah, it's crazy to not having a show for two years. That's a new show coming out every week. How do you guys transition with like this feeling relevant or feeling like worthy enough? Or are we going downhill now since we don't have a show that's happening?

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think we might both have slightly different answers to this. Because I, I think to an extent it hasn't hit yet, to be honest, because we are in 148 countries.

• 53:44Lewis Howes?

  Cause it's still syndicated everywhere it's happening.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  It's syndicated.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  It's crazy. It's so cool at the same time.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Totally. We've been building these things and I think in my world, there, you know, there's a lot of fit moms that need advice right now. And so I, we haven't, but I am preparing for it because I know at some point. The way, you know.

• 54:05Lewis Howes?

  Show may not be on anymore.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 54:08Lewis Howes?

  And you guys were never really big on social media before, were you? Or?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  No. It kind of grew organically and I still struggle with it. As far as my posts is like, I'm just not as consistent as I should be.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  That's it. That just happened in the car on the way here. I'm literally driving and I was like, hey, could you post for me real quick?

• 54:28Speaker 01

  But the thing is, but I will, I'll get there, you know, in the, in my world of balance and all the buckets. I'm taking care of one thing first, then I'll jump over into social. She's really good on social, but. No, like, so when, when the whole show, when, when we got the phone call, they said, you know, we're not going to be renewing your contract. You know, thank you so much. It was a great run, blah, blah, blah.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  I, I cried at first just because that was all I had known for the last five and a half, six years.

• 54:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. It's part of your identity.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  That's exactly, that's, oh boy, you just.

• 54:57Lewis Howes?

  Extreme weight loss guy.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And especially even as a, as a life coach, you know, I'm like, I knew right away. I was like, I'm totally having an identity crisis right now. And I did. And it's funny because like, when you spend so much time life coaching other people, you experience it. And you're going through it yourself and you're like, oh my gosh, I wrote a chapter on this and I'm feeling it right now. But so, um, but after, after 24 hours, it was like, literally like, oh my gosh, I can build it now. We can do this. Yes. One of the biggest struggles that we had over for five, five and a half years was when we had the show that starts off with, you know, Mary wrote a letter to Chris and Heidi and Chris and Heidi surprised her. Could you imagine the letters that we get? Because that's how the show starts.

• 55:43Lewis Howes?

  Thousands of letters you get probably, right?

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Tens of thousands. Yeah. We got probably a total of about 650,000 or so emails from people asking for help. Do you know how heartbreaking that?

• 55:56Lewis Howes?

  Big email list.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  We had to build something for them because the thing is, and then they go, great. Now you get to select 15 people a year to help. And we were like, great. There's 700,000 people that are asking for help. How the heck are we supposed to do this? So for five years, that that tormented us because the, look at all the people that need, that genuinely need the help. They're ready. They went so far as to write handwritten letters or five page emails of, please help me.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Oh, heartbreaking.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  And even harder is when we ran into people in person.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Tears.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  And it was just, like, just heartbreaking. So the whole time we're like, as soon as we can, we're gonna build the machine. We're gonna show these people, we can take them through transformation. We just, we just need the time to do it. So as soon, I'd be, 24 hours, I felt bad for myself. We, we hugged and cried a lot. And then it was like, oh my gosh, let's do this. Spent two years and pretty much all the money we had saved. Basically, and we built this huge digital platform to take people through the journey of transformation.

• 57:03Lewis Howes?

  At home?

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. And then we, then we started reaching out to these other amazing partnerships, like with food. And so now we got pre-portioned food so we can feed people. Now bring in the supplements. And so we're creating like a whole ecosystem of transformation. That's the, I mean, it is the best, like the next best thing to literally having us like right there with you. And so like, now we can build it. We're still like putting, like putting the finishing touches on the rest of the system. But it's like, we're right there.

• 57:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  And it's just so exciting.

• 57:30Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:31Lewis Howes?

  So you guys really used the opportunity where the show was coming on and you, you took it into action.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we're just getting started.

• 57:37Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, I mean, what is it, one in three people in America are overweight? Is that the?

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Two of three.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Two out of three. Yeah, so 74%.

• 57:45Lewis Howes?

  Well, I mean, when I, when I see this sometimes, and I get it, because I was, I've never been like super overweight, but I was like 255, 260. Where I was just like, after football, I just like, kept eating whatever. And I moved to New York City and every street corner, I was like, I want that. I want those peanuts. I want this. I was just like, and I just kept eating.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:04Lewis Howes?

  I was like, I'll be fine. But no, I wasn't. I just kept gaining. And they started calling me Fluous for Fat Louis. Cause I was just like so chubby. It wasn't that bad, but it was just like, you know, my friends were like, you're a little fat there, you know?

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:17Lewis Howes?

  Um, but I could kind of hide it because I'm tall or whatever. But I just started realizing like, wow, I'm just not happy with myself. Like, I'm not taking care of myself. I'm not eating right. And so I really started to just. Learn more about and educating myself about food and and fitness because I was just training and eating whatever I wanted in my teens and twenties, I could do it.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  And you're praised to eat when you're playing football.

• 58:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I mean, we used to, we used to, after practice, we would get two uh Chipotle burritos, two with double meat. Two of them, you know what I mean? And then it's like after every meal, I had to have some type of milkshake or candy bar. Like I would just eat candy bars for meals.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  And it worked for you.

• 58:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it was great.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  And no one ever really taught you how to do it other way.

• 58:56Lewis Howes?

  I didn't know. I just was super uneducated. I just didn't know. And then I went to New York and I started learning about juicing and green juice. And I was like, I'll never drink this stuff. But then I started drinking it. I started to feel better. And I was just like, let me learn more. Let me learn more. And there's so much I'm still learning.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:11Lewis Howes?

  Which is challenging because there's so much research that contradicts itself in every area of the nutrition world, right?

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  You know, there really is.

• 59:18Lewis Howes?

  So many different documentaries.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Yes. And you don't know who's backing which documentary.

• 59:23Lewis Howes?

  What the health I saw the other day and I was like, I don't know. That's all this stuff. Yeah. Um, but my, my question, what was gonna be my question on this topic?

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Well, we started with one out of three people.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  You're talking about how you're educating yourself. You know, you went to New York, you're educating yourself in this.

• 59:38Lewis Howes?

  So when people start to gain the weight and then it just keeps piling on.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:45Lewis Howes?

  How, I mean, how does this happen? First off, because I started to recognize like, wow, I don't want to be this way anymore. Let me make a change.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:53Lewis Howes?

  But two out of three people, it sounds like, don't make the change or they continue, like, once you're a hundred pounds overweight, how do you get to be two hundred pounds overweight?

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:02Lewis Howes?

  What is the, the mindset that these individuals you've worked with for so long that get them to a place of like no return?

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:11Lewis Howes?

  How do people get there? And what's the quickest way they can switch it in their minds? I really feel like it's a switch. It's a decision for me to be like, three weeks ago, I said, I'm not having any more sweets.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:22Lewis Howes?

  Like, I'm just done.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Lewis Howes?

  Like, no candy bars. It's like, I can't just mod, like in moderation.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Lewis Howes?

  I can't once a week for me.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Right.

• 1:00:30Lewis Howes?

  And, and try to get lean and shredded. Like, it's just not gonna work. Because I'm like, well, I had one. Let me just have all day of everything.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  The damn breaks.

• 1:00:36Lewis Howes?

  Four pizzas and five milkshakes.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Lewis Howes?

  So how do people first go there to themselves where they're just like, it's like either they don't care or they're just like, they don't know how or what is that? And then how do they make a decision to actually switch it?

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Great questions.

• 1:00:51Lewis Howes?

  To transform.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Yes, great questions. Now, and, and just in our experience, it seems like, it seems like everybody's path is a little bit different. Now, there's a common, there's a common denominator, especially among the folks that we've worked with, that a lot of, you know, a lot of your viewers have probably seen on the show. Many of them, they are dealing with a true food addiction. And so the food is, they have an unhealthy relationship with food and they're using it to numb some other emotions that they do not want to deal with in life. And so a lot of times that has happened from traumatic experiences in the past. And those traumatic, there's a laundry list.

• 1:01:24Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  Death, molestation, abandonment, whatever that might be. Failure, you know, etc. But then there's other people who've actually just come up, like, like yourself. You came up through sports. And so the thing is, you were praised based on those behaviors. So you learned those behaviors. It wasn't a coping mechanism emotionally, but instead, those were behaviors.

• 1:01:43Lewis Howes?

  It was a habit.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Positive reinforcement behind it.

• 1:01:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  And so that was the one thing. So you're like, okay, well, this has worked for me to this point. And you just haven't learned any other way around it. So there's, there's two different individuals here that, that we're dealing with, you know, just based on, based on where they came up, you know, how, how they came up through life.

• 1:02:01Lewis Howes?

  How, why do they continue to put on the weight?

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  That's what I was.

• 1:02:04Lewis Howes?

  Like, once you're 100 pounds overweight, like, are you aware yet? Like, are you overweight?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Some people are, and some people are not. I will say, there are a handful of people that come to us and they're like, I didn't even realize, like, I knew I was 300 pounds, but I didn't even realize what that looked like, or what that was, until either a doctor said something, or they saw a picture of themselves, or whatever it was.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  They saw a reflection in the mirror.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's body dysmorphia in the other way. Like, they just, they don't even understand. It doesn't even resonate that that's unhealthy, or that's something that they never thought they were going to be, until they view themselves from a different perspective.

• 1:02:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  And then, as far as why they don't make a change, and then some of them actually continue. You hit the nail on the head. People don't know how. They don't know how. It's a lack of education. And I think so often people, I'm like seeing this triangle here, they actually view it as this huge mountain. Like this Mount Everest, like I have to do, yeah, if, especially once you hit the point of no return, they think. Like when they're at 300 pounds or whatever that number is, it's different for everyone. They think in order for me to get to where I need to be, I'm gonna have to cut everything out of my diet. I'm gonna have to work out for hours a day.

• 1:03:16Lewis Howes?

  That's a miserable life.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Exactly. And what happens is they try and they try and they try and they fail.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Yep, they try and they fail, they try and they fail.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  They continue to fail and before they know it, they don't believe in themselves anymore at all.

• 1:03:29Lewis Howes?

  Screwed up, never again.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Yes. And so they try and convince themselves and everyone around them that they are happy with who they are and where they're at. Because they don't believe that they have what it takes to lose the weight. They might see people on TV that do it. But in their minds, they're like, well, it's because they have a trainer doing this, they have this, they, I, I'm different, my body is different. Well, the fact of the matter is, no one's body is different, but the approach is different for the people that are actually successful. The ones that are successful start so incredibly small. Like, think about it, when you make a change in your life, a big change, when you, I mean, okay, where you're sitting right now, right? Didn't happen because one day you're like, I'm gonna build this humongous thing and you know, I'm doing everything today.

• 1:04:08Lewis Howes?

  One interview at a time.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  One little baby step at a time.

• 1:04:11Lewis Howes?

  And like, oh, how can I make it a little bit better each time? How can I learn?

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. And that's, that's how transformation happens. It's not about committing to 20 things at one time.

• 1:04:20Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  It's about making one, what we call a power promise, one power promise to yourself at a time. For a lot of people, we tell them, start with just, just drinking an extra quart of water every single day. And they're like, really? Like, that's the magic Chris and Heidi Powell are gonna give to me? We're like, yes, because once you do that and you fulfill that commitment every freaking day, like. You don't, you never miss a day. It has to be so stupidly simple that you will never miss a day. Guess what? By the end of that week.

• 1:04:46Lewis Howes?

  Start to believe in yourself.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  That's, yes. I just got chills. Integrity momentum.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  That's exactly what it is. Because we take people who have lost hope in themselves. Because they're looking at, they say, "I've tried and failed so many times, there's no way I'm ever gonna get there." And that's exactly how we grow it, is just one simple promise at a time. And by doing that, you keep yourself winning. And if you can keep yourself winning, you start to believe in yourself again. And there's nothing more powerful than belief. The human mind, a human that believes in themselves and something that they can do and accomplish, there is absolutely nothing that can stop them.

• 1:05:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  And they will always put forth the effort required to get them where they want to go and beyond. And that's, for us, that is the, that is the juice that makes it all worth the squeeze. When all of a sudden, we're working with someone and they, and they reach a point, sometimes it's two months in, sometimes it's six months in, and they go, "What else can I do?" Then it's our job as coaches, let's just get out of your way and just let you go.

• 1:05:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Because now you know, you just take those tiny little steps and look where you can go.

• 1:05:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, but you gotta make the commitment to yourself mentally first, don't you? Say, "I'm gonna commit to this every single day."

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  That's it. But that's why we shrink that commitment down to something.

• 1:05:56Lewis Howes?

  Do it for a week or something.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Yes. And it's to a point where the commitment that we have to make, with power promises is what we call it, it has to be so small, it's almost to a point where when they go, as soon as they chuckle like cats, we take it, "That's so easy." We go, "Boom, that's it."

• 1:06:10Lewis Howes?

  Do it, dude.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  That's our power promise. Okay, cool, we're gonna do this for the next week. And they go, "You kidding me? Of course I could do that for the next week."

• 1:06:16Lewis Howes?

  Okay, then you can do something else too.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yes. But we're not gonna take on the second one yet. Let's just do this for the next week. They do it for next week, okay, let's pile the next one on. Let's pile the next one on. And we, it's one step at a time. We never try to make a quantum leap, because if you do, you're gonna fall twice as far down.

• 1:06:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  You're gonna fail. So we just keep building it, and before you know it, as you build it, you build their integrity, you build their dignity. And before you know it, like, we love it, because at the end of the year, these people walk out there, and they're on stage, and their chin is high, and their chest is out.

• 1:06:43Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  The fact that they lost 200 pounds is an afterthought because if you ask all of them, they're like, they'll just tell you, the secret is that I'm a promise keeper to myself.

• 1:06:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  I believe in myself and I love myself. That's what you see. And everyone's like, oh, you lost 200 pounds. Like, that's nice. I did that too.

• 1:07:00Lewis Howes?

  But I kept my word.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  But I kept my word to myself.

• 1:07:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  That's the secret to everything. If you ask anyone who's gone through transformation with us, they'll tell you the number one thing. Who are you? They say, I'm a promise keeper to myself. If I give you my word, I will keep my word.

• 1:07:13Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  I don't care. They'll never talk about their weight because the weight doesn't matter. And you can take that and you can plug it into every aspect of your life and you can achieve that greatness.

• 1:07:23Lewis Howes?

  Mmm. Mmm. Zing.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Abe, you know, that's the secret sauce right there. So, mic drop.

• 1:07:29Lewis Howes?

  I like that. I like that.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  That's how we do what we do.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Well, one thing though, just to add on to that, I think that sets the successful ones apart from the unsuccessful ones, is the wherewithal to know that it's okay to fall. Because that is another thing. It's like they see these incredible journeys. They see these people making these, even if it's little baby steps, one after another. In their minds, they see that success and they're like, but I'm imperfect. Well, once they realize that everyone else around them that's succeeding is imperfect too, they realize they can do it. It's about, it's not how many times you fall. It's about getting up more times than you fall. Even if it's 1,500 times. If you get up 1,501 times, you win.

• 1:08:15Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Just keep getting up.

• 1:08:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I hear you.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Lewis Howes?

  That's great. Now, there's all, I mean, can you do it on your own if you're 300 pounds overweight?

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  100%.

• 1:08:24Lewis Howes?

  Can you do it on your own? Or do you need accountability or some type of coach or support?

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Accountability and support, yes.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah. The accountability is huge. And the moment you actually have a support system, a transformation team, your chances of success, they're going to skyrocket exponentially because you've got that connection. Connection is everything in the world of transformation. Now, can you do it on your own? Yeah, but there's not...

• 1:08:46Lewis Howes?

  It's much harder.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  It's like existing on your own. You know. No, we are social beings and we need that connection. I mean, it's innate. It's inside all of us. We need that connection for survival. We need it for emotional health. We need it for everything. And so it's really, really important when especially in it to speak to, you know, there's people out there that actually have, you know, a support system that's really not a support system at all.

• 1:09:11Lewis Howes?

  It's almost bringing them down.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Absolutely, it is. You bet. And so it's really.

• 1:09:15Lewis Howes?

  It's like the crabs in the bucket.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  That, do I say that all the time? And once one gets to the top, oh my gosh, I say that and people, they'll look at me all dog ears. I'm like, you kidding me? Crabs in a bucket. Once one gets to the top, the other ones, they grab it and they pull it down.

• 1:09:29Lewis Howes?

  And sometimes they'll kill the crab.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. Dude, it's so true. I can't believe you just said that. You've made my day. But that's exactly what it is. Because other people, you know, if, if you have one individual in a group of friends that's like, I'm going to transform. And they're like, well, what does that mean about me? Because the thing is for them, they're like, well, I don't know if I'm ready. And all this fear. And then all of a sudden, one person says, I want to transform. And they start changing their life and then, then they start to worry that they're going to lose their friend.

• 1:09:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Or they're going to lose their spouse. Or they're, because the thing is, they're changing their life and they're moving on without us. We're just saying, what about us? And so it's when they try to grab you back in and say, hey, let's go to Buffalo Wild Wings. Come on. Just like old times. Let's go get a beer and some chicken wings. And they try to lure you back in because a lot of times it's all fear based. You know, they, they just don't want to be abandoned. But then here you are, you're like, I'm ready for a change. I don't want to be sick and unhealthy anymore. I, I want to feel better. I want this. But it's hard because then you've got this, your social system, the support system that could be undermining you. So it's really important to help identify that and find people who are going to support you. You know, and one of the first things that we'll do in the journey of transformation is

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  take people and they go through that very first hurdle of introducing them to new friends out there.

• 1:10:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Walking them into a yoga group or a CrossFit class or a walking group. And just introduce them to other like-minded people that are looking to change their lives as well. Very, very necessary in the process.

• 1:10:56Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Online. Look at all the chat rooms and the, and everything online of people that are loving fitness and changing their lives. Sorry, I didn't mean to talk so much here, but. But yeah, no, it's really important. I think especially online, there's so much support out there now.

• 1:11:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, which people really need.

• 1:11:14Lewis Howes?

  What's your guys' vision moving forward now? You've got this new platform. What's the platform called you guys have?

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Oh, well.

• 1:11:19Lewis Howes?

  Site or the platform?

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Transform with Chris and Heidi is the platform.

• 1:11:22Lewis Howes?

  Dot com or no?

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  You can't go to the dot com, yes.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Well, it's the transform app dot com.

• 1:11:28Lewis Howes?

  The transform app dot com.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. The app is the transform app.

• 1:11:32Lewis Howes?

  Is this an online app on your computer or on your mobile?

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  Mobile phone, yeah. So, Apple and Google, yes.

• 1:11:38Lewis Howes?

  It's an app you download.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. And it takes you through the whole journey of transformation, whether it's weight loss, physique, women's physique, men's physique, cross-training, whatever transformation that you want, you're gonna jump on, you're gonna onboard, it's gonna take all of your biometrics, it'll customize a full nutrition program specifically for you, it'll take you through a full year and beyond

• 1:11:55Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  of training in whichever direction you want to go. I mean-

• 1:11:58Lewis Howes?

  Does it create programming for you? Does it create-

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 1:12:01Lewis Howes?

  Nutrition, programming, everything. Videos by you guys teaching?

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Over a thousand videos by us.

• 1:12:07Lewis Howes?

  Just you two?

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yes.

• 1:12:09Lewis Howes?

  There's no trainers in it? It's just you two?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  It's us. And it's Transform with Chris and Heidi. And over a thousand workouts in it. I mean, there's 350 recipes. And the thing is, so-

• 1:12:17Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  You jump in there and it says bacon mac and cheese, it's gonna actually program all the portions for my bacon mac and cheese, are they gonna be different from your portions? Because we're looking for two different things. So, it'll actually scale the recipes up and down to you, it'll scale it down to me, it'll scale it down to her. So, everyone's journey is totally unique. And so, it's not a one-size-fits-all approach. It is 100% customizable to you. But then, all the workouts are, you know, you're a sports guy, everything's progressive overload.

• 1:12:42Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  So, it's not like, oh, here's a back and bicep workout.

• 1:12:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Thanks, right? No, your body changes and as it adapts, you need more volume, you need more load. So, your back-

• 1:12:52Lewis Howes?

  Same thing.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, chest, shoulders, and biceps, or back, rear, and biceps, or maybe a cross-training workout on day one is very different from a cross-training workout on day 48, because it's progressed you up. So, because your body, like, this is about getting stronger, faster, better, leaner. So, it's like, everything is done, everything, there's integrity behind everything that we build. And so, that's why we're so stoked on this thing. Yeah. Yeah, we're fired up about it.

• 1:13:14Lewis Howes?

  Did it already came out or is it coming out right now?

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  That actually came out in March.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  It's been out for a few months, huge results so far. It's been awesome to see all the testimonials.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Cool to see the testimonials coming down the pipes. And we're working on 2.0 right now. And um, and then pretty soon, actually in a couple of weeks.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Couple of weeks now, yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  Yes, we've got um, our, our, it's meals, fresh meals. Wow. Yeah, so it's fresh by transform. You wanna? Delivery? Run down on it? Yes. Wow.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  All over the country or where is this?

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Well, okay, so we're opening up regionally first.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  It's, I, I need to open up my phone to see, but I think it's um, Colorado, Arizona.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, North Texas, Utah, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota. Yeah, so we're basically, it's, it's all, most of the Midwest, all the way out to the California border. We'll be opening up California in September. What's it called? Uh, Fresh by Transform. And so, and all of these meals, same, meals are gonna range between 270 up to like 450 calories. They're all low carb, high protein meals, and so they support the fitness lifestyle beautifully. Wow. Yeah, I mean, and we'll send you some. Check it out. Dude, so we actually, we teamed up, I get fired up about this, I'm so stoked because we've got this um, it's brand new technology that they use to actually to seal and preserve the food. Oh really? So it can last a little bit longer? Oh dude. Like two days and it's soggy and?

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Right? So as, as soon as the food comes out of the kitchens, it's called high pressure pasteurization. So they seal it with 86,000 pounds of pressure and they hit it with cold water and it literally locks everything. It's almost like it, it freezes time on the flavor of the food. We don't have to preserve it with chemicals anymore. We don't have to use insane amounts of sodium. The only sodium we use now is just for flavor. And so when you actually cook it, and it's gonna keep, help, the food will actually keep for over 30 days now. No way. Versus an eight day refrigerator fresh meal, now this is refrigerator fresh for 30 days. Is this sealed tight on it? Yes. Or is it just a plastic over the top? It's vacuum sealed with 86,000 pounds. It's because we use that, that's why there's no chemicals in it. That's amazing. And it's brand new technology. And so like, when we say it's fresh, it's legitimately fresh.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  So we are the only person in this space that has the USDA all natural stamp of approval. So our food, every single one of our meals is totally certified all natural.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Every ingredient. I'm gonna have to try it. Oh dude, well, we'll send you some meals, you're gonna? Love it. Yep.

• 1:15:27Lewis Howes?

  Cool. Amazing. Okay. So where can they get the, the, the app with the?

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  So for the app, it's the transform app.com. For this, it's fresh by transform.com.

• 1:15:38Lewis Howes?

  Got it. Okay.

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  And it's August 14th is our launch date.

• 1:15:41Lewis Howes?

  Sweet.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  Yes. And then by the end of the year, we're gonna be.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  We'll be in Whole Foods and Kroger stores.

• 1:15:46Lewis Howes?

  Really? Kroger. Speaking my language.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Cincinnati based. That's right. So, yeah. So.

• 1:15:52Lewis Howes?

  I grew up Kroger.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  That's right. So, yeah. So we're.

• 1:15:54Lewis Howes?

  So it's gonna be in Whole Foods.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Lewis Howes?

  Boxes.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  They love the concept.

• 1:15:58Lewis Howes?

  Is it the boxes or would it be like just the meals?

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  No, you'll see the meals just like that.

• 1:16:02Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  We're so, we're so excited because finally.

• 1:16:04Lewis Howes?

  Rats on that.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  You know what? We're really, we're fired up about it. But, yeah, no, we're really excited because we brought the concept to Whole Foods and Kroger and everything. They're like, this is amazing. This is so cool what you guys. Especially because like, and the meals have got the, the, the digital backing behind it. So it's like, as you're, you're not just purchasing a meal, but there's a transformation with it.

• 1:16:25Lewis Howes?

  It helps you. Got you.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:16:26Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:16:28Lewis Howes?

  What's, what's the mission for, for all of this then moving forward? Since you're, you know, the show isn't, you're not continuing the show and you're syndicated still, but you're doing this new transform stuff.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  It's actually to build the tools, products and services to help people live happier, healthier lives.

• 1:16:42Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  That's what we set out to do years ago. We just couldn't really do it with the show. We could provide the inspiration, but not the tools. And now we can.

• 1:16:50Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Lewis Howes?

  Exciting.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 1:16:55Lewis Howes?

  What's your, your social? You guys hang out more on Instagram, Twitter?

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  I, you know, Instagram and Facebook for me. Yeah. And I'm, but I'm on Twitter, Pinterest, all that stuff. So it's at, he's at real Chris Powell. I'm at real Heidi Powell on all platforms. So simple. YouTube.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. And also, you know, it's crazy.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Well, they did with him. And then I had to, I'm like, well, I gotta follow suit because we wanted it easy.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  As soon as things started taking off, especially in the weight loss space, all of a sudden, all these other Chris Powell accounts started popping up with like diet pills and everything like that. And you're like, oh, come on, guys. Please. You know, so especially in that space, you know, so we had to be real Chris and real Heidi Powell. So.

• 1:17:37Lewis Howes?

  Uh, I want to ask a couple of final questions.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Okay. Bring it on. Bring it on.

• 1:17:42Lewis Howes?

  This one is, I want you guys to answer about each other.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Okay. There's some laughs going on behind the camera.

• 1:17:51Lewis Howes?

  I don't even know what I'm talking about. I haven't planned this, but I'm just curious. The thing that you love about Heidi the most that no one else does like she does, what would that be?

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  You're gonna have to stretch, find something here.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  The one thing that I love about Heidi the most,

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say,

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  and, and aside from business and all that, she is genuinely like the greatest life coach of all, and, and this is like when, when our relationship began, her intentions are so amazing and pure. And she, and, and this is how I, I knew even early on, so what, what an amazing person she, that she is, but also that she genuinely loves me, which I, I need that kind of comfort and that solace, but even in the worst of times, she is always there to, to try to help me through, to like coach me through.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  And whether, whether or not she has like, she feels warranted to do it or not, she will always just jump in there and try to pull me up. And she's spent her life, for the last seven years, trying to pick me up. And most of the people, you know, out there, they haven't seen that part of me falling down and, and not believing and, and beating myself up. And she's spent the last seven years picking me back up. And that's, there's a reason why we're here right now, it's because of her.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  I don't know about that.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Because she's the one who keeps picking me up and keeps us going.

• 1:19:40Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, I love you and, and I love you for that and I love you for so many more reasons, but thank you.

• 1:19:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48Lewis Howes?

  And what about with him? Thing you love about him the most?

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  There's a lot and I, I, get ready.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  One thing, one thing, one thing.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Gosh, there, I'm gonna try and stick with one, but I'm like worried, I'm like, what if this isn't the highest priority one?

• 1:20:08Lewis Howes?

  You guys can have a love fest later and share all these things.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  You'll come up with something really good in the car, like five minutes down the road, you'll be like, oh, I should have said that.

• 1:20:15Lewis Howes?

  Why is Chris your man and what makes him so unique and special?

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  There, there is no one on this earth like Chris. There, truly, truly, there, it's, there is no one that, like, I feel like Chris is on this earth for a reason, to make a huge impact. Like, that he is so dedicated to his purpose. It's not even, I, I have never met a harder working, more dedicated, pure intended individual than him. Hands down. And you know, you, you know, I'm not blowing smoke. That's legit. You are.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  I've got the right partner for it, so.

• 1:20:58Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  I'm telling you.

• 1:21:00Lewis Howes?

  It's all make out together.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, right?

• 1:21:02Lewis Howes?

  Everyone in here.

• 1:21:05Lewis Howes?

  Awesome. This is called, uh, the three truths. And if this was your final message to share to the world, if this was the last day for both of you guys, many years from now, and no one had any of your content or apps or TV shows to remember you by, and you had a piece of paper and a pen to write down your three biggest lessons or truths of life, what would you share with the world if this is all they get to remember you by? Have you start? Three truths.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Practice forgiveness.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Gosh. How about, do you want me to pipe in next, or are we doing three each?

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  No, I, I guess.

• 1:21:38Lewis Howes?

  Three each or three each?

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, boy, here we go.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  And, and, and I, I saw this, as I was actually glancing over at your book, just about loving deeper. And, and I just, I think about my children. And, so, can I, can I use that? Because that is hands down probably one of the most powerful things that I've ever experienced is, practice forgiveness, love so incredibly deeply, and, um, and live with purpose.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, th- those are hands down.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  And mine aren't gonna be too far off from that. Honestly. Um, one of them is, love unconditionally. That is huge to me. Probably because I want it and need it more than anyone, but I know everyone needs it and I really believe that unconditional love will and can change lives. Like, people think it's diet and exercise. I truly believe the only reason we had an impact and changed lives is because we loved them unconditionally.

• 1:22:43Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Um, you are worthy. Everyone is worthy of greatness. Everyone is. But I would want everyone to know that they need to believe that and then live into that. Um, the final thing would be not to place priorities on material things. Because I, I think the material success will come, you know, and it will carry us through this life, but you can't take that with you. I was telling Chris just yesterday, I said, you know, when I was saying I, I could get rid of everything. At the end of the day, yeah, money's great, but money can't take care of you when you're sick and you're old. It can, you can hire someone

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  to take care of you, but that person you hire, no matter how much money you pay, is never going to love you like your kids or your family will. And so making sure your priorities are on that, on the things that you can take with you. I, that's, that's something I want my kids to know. I guess those are three things I want my kids to know and everyone else.

• 1:23:48Lewis Howes?

  That's great. Well, I want to acknowledge you both for a moment for your incredible commitment and dedication to making an impact. Because you guys have gone through a lot of struggle on your own and together, starting out, and still you're struggling in certain ways. But the- Meeting you guys, I didn't really know what to expect except for what Steve and a few others told me that you guys were like the most genuine, loving people and I believe that to be true. So I want to acknowledge you for living in such a big purpose to others because there are so many people in pain, so many people struggling and who don't know how to take the steps to get out of their pain. And you guys are committing your lives to helping transform and more than just a physical weight for people, but emotionally

• 1:24:32Lewis Howes?

  and the belief in themselves. And I think when people believe in themselves, they're happier, they treat better themselves better, they treat others better and it heals the world. So I appreciate you both for the mission you're on. It means a lot.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Thank you. And likewise, by the way, you are making a huge difference in a positive way. So thank you for everything.

• 1:24:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Final question for you guys. What's your definition of greatness? I'll have you start.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. I'm, I'm, this is, I feel like I'm gonna struggle with this.

• 1:25:05Lewis Howes?

  One sentence.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Definition of greatness. Um, gosh dang, why do I have to?

• 1:25:13Lewis Howes?

  Do you want Chris to start first?

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I won't copy you.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  I, I would actually tie in greatness with integrity. And I think your, my definition of, my definition of greatness is living with utmost integrity. Simple as that. And it's totally relative to, to your own personal life, but yes, because integrity, doing what you say you're gonna do when you say you're gonna do it. And that, that is gonna go toward, you know, work and, and follow through and everything. But I, I think, and I know that I'm totally just rambling here, but nevertheless, if you live with utmost integrity, you can always achieve your own greatness.

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  Okay. Having a purpose, working harder than anyone else, and being kind and respectful. Though, that is, hands down, those things make up greatness to me.

• 1:26:11Lewis Howes?

  Heidi and Chris. Thank you guys so much.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  This is awesome. Thank you, my friend. We certainly appreciate you.

• 1:26:23Lewis Howes?

  There you have it. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. For me, powerful story of two individuals coming together, having a big vision, getting knocked on their butts, and coming out victorious. And now on a mission to continue to transform the world. Again, if you enjoyed this, let me know your thoughts. Send me a tweet, tag me on your Instagram story when you're posting this out, letting your friends know that you're listening to it, @lewishouse. And make sure to tag Chris and Heidi Powell as well. And let them know what you thought. Send them some love. Give them a follow. Check them out. All that good stuff. And make sure to check out SummitOfGreatness.com. Again, the price goes up in a few days. It's the most inspirational event of the year,

• 1:27:07Lewis Howes?

  where you get to connect with some of the biggest speakers, hear from some incredibly powerful individuals, and connect with a thousand passionate individuals, entrepreneurs, health fanatics, people looking to take their life to the next level. Make sure to sign up SummitOfGreatness.com. I'm pumped and so grateful for all of you that have been listening for years. And for anyone that just joined in the last couple of months, or last couple of weeks, or if this is your first ever experience on the School of Greatness podcast, thank you so much and welcome to the family. I'm so grateful to what we've created and where we are going, and it couldn't happen without you. So as always, make sure to share this with your friends.

• 1:27:50Lewis Howes?

  This is LewisHowes.com/520. If you want to tweet that out, or tag it over on Instagram story, and have people swipe up to listen, that would mean the world to me. And let me know what you think. I'm always available. Try to reply as much as I can to people on social media, specifically Instagram. I do my best, although it's hard to get to everyone. But I want to hear from you, and I want to connect with you. And hopefully, I will see you in the next month at SummitOfGreatness.com. And again, to finish it off, the body achieves what the mind believes. Make sure you start to change and adjust your belief system so that you can achieve whatever you want, physically, in your body, and also in the world. I love you guys and you know what time it is.

• 1:28:34Lewis Howes?

  It's time to go out there and do something great.