"Be Like Satoshi": We Unmask Scottie Pippen's A.I. Crypto Slop

Why is the Bulls legend hawking "the Mona Lisa of sports" as a talking Web3 meme-coin NFT? And who are the secret weapons turning the 60-year-old Hall-of-Famer into a crypto bro, with a last-ditch effort to cash in on The Last Dance? Pablo breaks out the folders for Jordan family friend Wyatt Cenac and former Pippen colleague Amin Elhassan, featuring revelations on MJ's son, Benihana, Lil Hippo... and so on. • Previously on PTFO: The Last Dance of Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyZWNlZjAtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtMzNjNmUzNGE1MGNh Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Pablo Torre?

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:06Speaker 01

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• 0:18Pablo Torre?

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• 1:15Pablo Torre?

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• 2:24Pablo Torre?

  I will tell Wyatt Sinak and me the same thing I tell David Sampson and you.

• 2:29Pablo Torre?

  Do not open that [bleep] folder Wyatt.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna open it at all. Even when given the opportunity to open it, I'm not gonna open it. Because I just wanna appreciate it for what it is. It's like when you make your first dollar, the first time you work a job. I'm framing, I'm framing this.

• 2:44Pablo Torre?

  This is gonna be an episode that relates to basketball. This is gonna be an episode that relates to money and how it is transacted. I need to actually formally begin the episode by asking if you guys are familiar with the mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto.

• 3:02Speaker 05

  Sure, but Wyatt looks like he doesn't know, so tell him.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Oh, I look confused. I know Satoshi. I'm all about Bitcoin, baby. That's, I have a shirt that says "All About Bitcoin, Baby."

• 3:15Speaker 05

  I didn't have you as a crypto bro.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  I don't consider myself a crypto bro. I was an early adopter and then I got out before the bros came in.

• 3:23Pablo Torre?

  Before they gentrified.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:24Pablo Torre?

  The blockchain.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Once the manosphere shows up anyplace, I'm like, ooh, it's time to go.

• 3:30Pablo Torre?

  Satoshi Nakamoto, I mean, of course, is the alias that has been masking the true identity of whoever spawned Bitcoin in 2009. And last month, the New York Times investigative reporter John Kerry Rue reported that the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, this mystery that everyone's been trying to solve, is actually-

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Scottie Pippen.

• 3:49Pablo Torre?

  Well,

• 3:51Pablo Torre?

  they reported that it's a computer scientist named Adam Back. Weeks after that, an investigative documentary called Finding Satoshi came out and it reported that Satoshi is actually two cryptographers named Hal Finney and Len Sassenman.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  So not even Japanese.

• 4:06Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, unfortunately, uh, the Asian culture is their costume.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  It's like Haagen-Dazs is not actually Norwegian, right?

• 4:13Speaker 04

  It's not?

• 4:14Speaker 05

  It's from upstate New York. Yeah, it's from upstate New York. Haagen-Dazs doesn't mean anything. It's just a made-up, sound Scandinavian. Cause they know about ice cream, apparently.

• 4:23Pablo Torre?

  The rocky road of journalism around Satoshi Nakamoto has brought me, though-

• 4:31Pablo Torre?

  In this incredibly competitive journalistic challenge, to a voice I would like to bring our attention to. And that voice belongs to someone that I think you guys will recall.

• 4:41Speaker 06

  So Scotty mentioned something to me yesterday that I thought was pretty interesting. You mentioned you met Satoshi in Seattle in 1993. He also came to you in a dream. You have a nice relationship with Satoshi.

• 4:55Speaker 04

  I feel like I do. I feel like I have a story to tell. Definitely having an opportunity to meet him back in 1993.

• 5:04Pablo Torre?

  That was Scottie Pippen onstage at a crypto conference in 2024. And if you could just please, I mean, describe the visuals for those who are just listening.

• 5:13Speaker 05

  Scotty is sitting there, dressed in all black. A black button-up shirt, black jeans, and a black hat that I believe says the word "ball" on it.

• 5:21Pablo Torre?

  Yes. The guy in the middle, by the way, is billionaire and Bitcoin advocate Michael Saylor, who is an incredibly prominent figure in the world of crypto. And you'll notice when Scottie Pippen says, "Oh yeah, I know, I met Satoshi in Seattle in the 90s." Michael Saylor turns to him and, pretty resentfully, is just like, "Who the [bleep]?"

• 6:05Pablo Torre?

  So I need you to know up top here that this is not going to be an episode about unmasking Satoshi Nakamoto, the mysterious founder of Bitcoin and the creator of a multi-trillion-dollar cryptocurrency industry. This episode is actually going to be about unmasking the guy who has now claimed repeatedly to have met Satoshi back in the 1990s:

• 6:29Pablo Torre?

  Scottie Pippen.

• 6:31Pablo Torre?

  All-time NBA great, arguably the best sidekick in sports history, and the guy who also happens to have done a bunch of TV with one of our guests today, back in the 2010s, on ESPN.

• 6:43Speaker 05

  Unless you already walked into this year thinking to yourself, "I can't wait to get rid of this dude." I don't know why anyone would start talking about this.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  I think the whole situation is, if you look at the games that they've played already, they probably should be better than 500 right now.

• 7:00Pablo Torre?

  But to be clear, Amin Elhassan is not the only BTFO guest today who has a special connection to the 90s Bulls.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  So, my family, my mother's family, is from Wilmington, North Carolina. They grew up with Michael Jordan's family. They were very, very close. So much so that one of my uncles is married to one of Michael's aunts. My Uncle Harley married his Aunt Reba. And I never knew Michael. I had cousins who grew up with him. His father was at my cousin's wedding. And so that's the Michael part of it. The Scotty part of it, I did a ceramics class where we had to make masks. And they were supposed to be abstract masks.

• 7:55Speaker 04

  But when I started working on the mask that I made, it started to look like Scottie Pippen to me. So I then just, I just made a, as lifelike as possible, a mask of Scottie Pippen at whatever, 16, 17 years old.

• 8:12Pablo Torre?

  And this concept, this notion of a distorted replication, an avatar of Scottie Pippen, gets right to the heart of our actual mystery here, as we examine a world where it has never been easier to hide who you really are. Because what Wyatt Sinak does not know, as a person who logged off of Elon Musk's Twitter several years ago, is that while his relative, Michael Jordan, has stayed as relevant as ever while never joining social media, this thanks in part to the incredible Last Dance docu-series and interminable sports television debates, Scottie Pippen has become something startling.

• 8:52Pablo Torre?

  A crypto bro himself.

• 8:57Pablo Torre?

  For instance, I mean, Scottie Pippen tweeted this in September of 2024.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Satoshi Nakamoto visited me in a dream last night and predicted that Bitcoin would be at $84,650 on November 5th, 2024. Not financial advice.

• 9:15Pablo Torre?

  Bitcoin, Wyatt, proceeded to rig $99,000 in November and disbuilt the legend of Scottie Pippen, whose tweet was viewed 9.8 million times on Elon's platform, which then led to this tweet that got 27.5 million views.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  The image is of Elon Musk in Luke Longley's jersey, number 13 for the Bulls.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 05

  And the caption is, "How many championships would we have won with @ElonMusk thinking emoji?" My favorite part is AI in its infinite wisdom said, "Let me put Elon Musk in a Bulls jersey and let me make sure someone has passed away. Let's put a black pass there in memoriam of whoever."

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:01Pablo Torre?

  Well, speaking of AI slop and contemplating mortality, it is also important to note that Scottie Pippen is not merely posting Elon Musk stuff. Scottie Pippen is also posting videos of grandmas dunking.

• 10:22Pablo Torre?

  Lap the backboard, Grandma, come on.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  So stupid. Also, that, I feel like that totally just pisses on the legacy of Larry Johnson. Grandma Ma, that like, like, why aren't we appreciating Grandma Ma in this moment? Instead, we're making AI grandmas to do, to do the work that Larry Johnson already pioneered.

• 10:49Pablo Torre?

  It's a really good point. I mean, all of this, by the way, this is just a sampling of what Scottie Pippen's social media account is like now. And it is so much like this that I got a DM from a guy named Josh Cashman. This is @CableThanos on Twitter. He himself actually makes legitimately incredible Seattle Seahawks fan videos himself using human, you know, ingenuity.

• 11:24Pablo Torre?

  Let's see if you can beat me in Smash Bros. And what @cablefanos beseeched of me, I mean, was this.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  Please do a video on Pippen's weird social team.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  And then you responded, "Great idea, TBH."

• 11:47Pablo Torre?

  And so here we are. We're here to examine the Satoshi-like question of who the [bleep] is behind @ScottyPippin. Although I should also point out, Wyatt, that @ScottyPippin notably did reply to somebody on Twitter who had previously alleged that @ScottyPippin, quote, "doesn't even manage his own account."

• 12:07Pablo Torre?

  To which Scotty Pippen himself then had to reply with a video of his own.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Yo, what's up? This is Scotty. Just wanna let you know it's me using my account. I feel like that could have been a eye.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  I don't even believe that's a real video. It's Scotty Pippen in what appears to be the backyard of, like, a, just a New England-style home that has white siding on it. It's not where you think Scotty Pippen would be. It feels like maybe he's at a relative's house, or, yeah, like, why is he in Rhode Island?

• 12:46Pablo Torre?

  There is a ladder.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  If you told me this is Scotty Pippen's house, I would say there must be another Scotty Pippen. But he's got on a hoodie, it's got a gold frame. On the hoodie, there's an image, and it's a gold frame, and then the word "ball."

• 13:05Pablo Torre?

  And I must admit here that Scotty Pippen's own testimony here, at age 60, I found it unpersuasive when it comes to the question of who's behind Scotty Pippen's social media accounts.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:17Pablo Torre?

  And so, yeah, it led me on my own quest to unmask the true identity of this other crypto mystery.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Is it Satoshi? Did we just figure out the end of the episode before we went through it? Are we...

• 13:31Pablo Torre?

  Damn it.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  I didn't even need to do... Wow, okay, all right.

• 13:35Pablo Torre?

  I do need to back up here and acknowledge something, which is that, for those who have not been paying attention to Scotty Pippen, it's been kind of a rough decade, I mean. For Scottie Pippen. In fact, this episode is not this show's first foray into Pippen-related journalism. One of the first shows we ever did here at Pablo Torre Finds Out, this was October of 2023, was a joint interview with both Larsa Pippen, Scottie's ex-wife, now age 51, and her then-boyfriend, Marcus Jordan.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Cousin Marcus.

• 14:05Pablo Torre?

  As Wyatt can tell you from family reunions, is 35 and very out here. And the premise of that episode was, even beyond the age gap stuff, it was, to me, Shakespeare. Right? I mean, Scottie Pippen's ex-wife was talking about marrying the son of Scottie Pippen's former running mate, who is this cruel, greatest-of-all-time character whose shadow he continues to occupy. As all of this was happening, I was just thinking about Scottie and what it must feel like to be him.

• 14:41Speaker 05

  It could have been fun, and it's not like that was the first foray for him into this is uncomfortable territory. Larsa's ex before Marcus Jordan was popular recording artist Future. And, you know, people were running with those memes, and Future during that time was on a generational music run. You couldn't go anywhere without the music playing. I remember one time, because I used to do the jump with Scottie Pippen, and one time we're sitting on set waiting for people to show up. I don't think Rachel had gotten there yet. Scottie hadn't gotten there yet, but I was there early, and we like to play music. And then Future came on right as Scottie was walking into the studio, and everyone was like, who's got the Bluetooth speaker, man?

• 15:23Pablo Torre?

  Skip, skip, airplane mode, airplane mode.

• 15:28Speaker 05

  It was just so awkward for, you know, your former spouse to be involved with one of the most popular music artists, who, by the way, makes insinuations in his music about you, to the son of my former teammate, who I have like a weird kind of tension and rivalry with to begin with. It wasn't a fun 2016 and 2026 for Scottie Pippen.

• 15:53Pablo Torre?

  And then I come along asking questions on a podcast of both of them. Do you want your dad to give a toast at your wedding? How does this work?

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, look, I was the best man at his wedding and so, and the best man at my brother's wedding. And so obviously we'll keep that tradition going is my, my thoughts on it.

• 16:09Pablo Torre?

  I want in. I want, I want video cameras there.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Now that, you know, I've been on the, on the Housewives of Miami, you know, all the producers are inquiring around, you know, when's the wedding? Are we gonna film it on TV? Yada, yada, yada. Yeah. No, I'm sure Scottie Pippen at some point is like, when are you gonna do an episode about Reggie Theus?

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Who, for those who don't know, was the person who dated Juanita Jordan, Aunt Juanita, before she and Cousin Mike got married. And according to the Sam Smith book, The Jordan Rules, every time Michael Jordan had to play Reggie Theus in the New Jersey Nets, he really took it upon himself to have the game of his life and just really stick it to Reggie Theus.

• 16:58Pablo Torre?

  Unfortunately, I love Hang Time.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  Right, yes, yeah.

• 17:01Pablo Torre?

  It's a great show.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  Which, yeah.

• 17:02Pablo Torre?

  Grew up on it.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  If you're Reggie Theus on the set of Hang Time, how are you feeling? Like, is this a moment of kinship between Scottie Pippen and Reggie Theus? If they see each other in an airport, do they just go to the airport bar and they're like, yeah, I, I know, I know what it's like. I know what it's like to be haunted by the past.

• 17:21Pablo Torre?

  The only consolation, I suppose, that Scottie could have taken from our coverage of Larsa and Marcus, Larkus, as it were.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  Cousin Marcus.

• 17:30Pablo Torre?

  It's that they didn't seem to like the experience either, as the New York Post's Wyatt commemorated.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Larsa Pippen, Marcus Jordan, trash, miserable. Pablo Torre over podcast interview. Have no idea he'll win a Pulitzer.

• 17:50Speaker 05

  I mean, they weren't prescient. He is miserable.

• 17:55Pablo Torre?

  It's a prison I have decided to voluntarily lock myself inside of, the Larkus story. As, yeah, me and Charlotte Wilder and Ryan Cortez, we listened to all dozen of the episodes of their old podcast.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're not doing it anymore, are they?

• 18:09Pablo Torre?

  Well, they are no longer together, is the spoiler alert here.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 18:13Pablo Torre?

  Marcus.

• 18:13Speaker 05

  Is the podcast still on?

• 18:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:16Pablo Torre?

  The empire has fallen. They broke up in 2024. The podcast was taken over by other people.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  What?

• 18:23Pablo Torre?

  Who are not, I don't know, it's very, it's disappointing, as Larsa personally articulated on The Real Housewives of Miami last June. We went from really being in love, getting along, to me seeing a side of him that didn't align with who I am as a person.

• 18:39Pablo Torre?

  When we would go out, he would like to be the very last person in the club. Like, I mean, there's no one there but the janitors. You know, place to the whistle, I suppose.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. First in the gym, yeah, first in the gym, first out. Like, that's, he learned, he learned from the best.

• 18:55Pablo Torre?

  It is worth pointing out, I mean, that Larsa Pippen had married Scottie Pippen back in 97. They had four kids together. One of them, Scottie Pippen Jr., speaking of the offspring of these all-time characters, he's on the Grizzlies, he's a decent backup guard, he's shown a strong ability to drive, to finish in traffic. Whereas Marcus Jordan, on the other hand, not quite as good at either of those things. Come on.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Bro, I'm Marcus Jordan, I'm Michael Jordan's son. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just trying to get home. And I made a wrong turn. Okay, and clearly, we would just like to get our car off of the [bleep] train tracks.

• 19:41Pablo Torre?

  It's true.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  Which we were not trying to be on.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm just, I'm just saying, if there's six of us, and we throw this thing in reverse. I've already got concerns for your level of impairment anyways, okay, so that's why.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Because like, it's not alcohol coming from you, and you're on train tracks. Okay.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Come on, man.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  Just listen to me. That's why I don't want you back behind the wheel anyways, okay?

• 20:08Speaker 05

  I'm fine behind the wheel. I just would like to get my car out of this.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  We'll deal with that after this, okay? We'll, we'll deal with that after this. I just wanna say to any black person who's listening, it seems like if the cops ever pull you over, if you say I'm Michael Jordan's son, the level of treatment, really, they get a hell of a lot more patient than they normally would. I just, maybe as a going forward, if you get pulled over by the cops, just say, I'm Michael Jordan's son, and then they'll figure it out eventually, but for at least a little while, it seems like you're gonna get some good customer service.

• 20:44Speaker 05

  I love the hesitation from the cops, like, you think he's telling the truth? They didn't wanna chance it, so they're like, you know what? Let's err on the side of caution.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, if that works, I feel like if I get pulled over, I'm gonna be like, hey, by the way, I'm Michael Jordan's cousin through marriage.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Like, I can get this off the monorail track now.

• 21:07Speaker 05

  You gotta break it down for me, like, his Aunt Reba, married my uncle, like, you gotta go the whole family tree.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 05

  Pull it out, show it to him.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  This is Wilmington, North Carolina.

• 21:18Pablo Torre?

  This Lamborghini SUV on these train tracks, I believe that all of us, all six of us, if we work together, can remove, which is my favorite part. Marcus Jordan pitching the cops, like, guys, we can, we can just take care of this ourselves.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Guys, this is our last dance, all right? This is our, I'm, I'm Marcus Jordan's son of Michael Jordan. You could be, like, you could be the Luke Longley of this.

• 21:45Pablo Torre?

  Bill Wennington?

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're definitely a Bill Wennington. Uh, yeah, who's gonna be my Steve Kerr? You in the back, all right, you get on that bumper and push.

• 21:56Pablo Torre?

  Marcus Jordan, who said he made a wrong turn onto the train tracks, I should note here for the record, was reported to have sang the entire way to a local Orange County jail that night. Unfortunately, we could not find out what song he was singing, but that is the reporting. In March of this year, TMZ reported that he completed, to his credit, the terms of his DUI sentence, which involved, among other things, random drug testing, community service, a written apology, and all the charges were dropped as part of the plea deal. Marcus had pleaded not guilty to possession of ketamine, resisting an officer without violence, and DUI. But through all of this, I do all of this to say that the person I keep thinking about is Scottie Pippen, Sr. as stuff like that comes out.

• 22:39Pablo Torre?

  And I've actually been thinking about Scottie dating back to the pandemic. Because imagine being him when The Last Dance came out.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah. I mean, he has kind of minimized his contribution.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  Minimize would be one thing. And also very kind of callously went through his contract negotiation, his decision to sign a long-term deal at the time that eventually proved to be well underpaid, and his unhappiness regarding that and how that kind of influenced everything else that was happening on the court. And Michael didn't seem to have a lot of empathy for him. It was like, yeah, you messed up.

• 23:21Pablo Torre?

  Scottie's rhetoric over time, I think, has softened, but I still think of what he wrote in his 2021 memoir, which was called Unguarded.

• 23:30Speaker 04

  "The Last Dance glorified Michael Jordan while not giving nearly enough praise to me and my proud teammates. How dare Michael treat us that way after everything we did for him and his precious brand? Seeing again how poorly Michael treated his teammates, I cringed as I did back then. Michael and I aren't close and never have been."

• 23:52Pablo Torre?

  That was all from the prologue.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 23:57Pablo Torre?

  That's how it started.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  I thought that was like a late chapter.

• 24:00Pablo Torre?

  No, no, that's all from the first section.

• 24:11Pablo Torre?

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• 25:52Pablo Torre?

  Which I think does bring us back to at CableThanos and at Scottie Pippen's attempt to use social media to now do something he didn't feel he could do when the world was feeding into bull's hysteria in the pandemic, which was

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Bullstaria.

• 26:08Pablo Torre?

  Bullstaria, personally profit off of that team himself.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Community. Decentralization. Real-world sports object.

• 26:24Pablo Torre?

  He likes Satoshi. Do you guys have any idea what Scottie Pippen is selling here?

• 26:30Speaker 05

  First of all, I can now see clearly what I couldn't see clearly on his hat or his hoodie earlier. It's a dollar sign ball is what it says. That money ball perhaps? I don't know. But he's holding an NBA basketball in his hands. I'm thinking there's some sort of kind of NFT connection here between something, he's talking about community, whatever, and a real life object is obviously game used ball that he's got in his hands.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  I think it's a promo for a Tim and Eric Adult Swim show.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  That's either performance art or that's a Tim and Eric Adult Swim show. Outside of that, I have no idea. If you were to give me a thousand guesses, I'm just gonna come back with Tim and Eric.

• 27:21Speaker 05

  Now, does this look more like his house from the inside?

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Eh, no. The giant speaker in the background feels like the house of a divorced 60-year-old that is kind of like trying to live like he's 20 again. So, okay, this could be his house, but even still, I don't know. In my head, I expect all the 90s bulls to kind of live like Bruce Wayne and not.

• 27:51Pablo Torre?

  Well, The Last Dance, again, the setting of that, it was all like these heroically scenic backdrops, especially for obviously Michael. And yeah, this is a bit more mortality.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:04Pablo Torre?

  Relatively speaking.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  That looks like if a bunch of frat bros decided to put their apartment on Airbnb.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  I love the idea that Wyatt has like Judd Buechler having like a bat cave under his house.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, Judd Buechler does.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, Judd Buechler, Cliff Levingston. That guy has fucking got his own SR71 Blackbird jet that he flies around. You don't know where Cliff Levingston is because he's in his SR71 Blackbird flying around all the time.

• 28:33Pablo Torre?

  Right, Scott Burrell gets home walking through a waterfall.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, yeah, they won six NBA championships. That's like, the Golden State Warriors, for as great as they are, the San Antonio Spurs, for as great as they are, they're gonna live in normal houses. You win six NBA championships, you walk through a waterfall to get into your house.

• 28:51Pablo Torre?

  Well, the question of what the is this, I think, is aided by the fact that artificial intelligence can be useful for personal exposition.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  This was the day the most iconic real world asset was born.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  The 1991 NBA Finals.

• 29:11Speaker 05

  Tonight, game five between the Chicago Bulls and the Los Angeles Lakers.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Scottie Pippen kept the game winning ball and never let it go. For 33 years, he guarded it closely. He was protecting the Mona Lisa of sports. And he waited for the right moment to pass it back to culture. He's tokenizing the iconic ball. Imagine being there when Nike or Amazon was just an idea. Well, Scottie is now passing the ball to community and building the number one sports brand in web three.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Duh. It still feels like a Tim and Eric show. I don't know if Adult Swim is looking for any new programming, but whatever Scottie Pippen is doing right now, I feel like they should take a meeting because that, if that came on at 12, 15 in the morning, a lot of stoned people would be wholly into it and would watch multiple seasons.

• 30:14Speaker 05

  I'm just impressed by all the archival footage they had.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Him at his computer, like when he was 32 years old or whatever.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, when he had enough money to probably go to Kinko's and just get a poster that said, printed out, that said, dollar sign ball. But no, he couldn't wait. He just went and got some spray paint and spray painted it in his house. Which, yeah, again. You're supposed to be living like Bruce Wayne. You're not spray painting things on the walls.

• 30:44Pablo Torre?

  It turns out that the thing that Scottie Pippen has kept in his personal vault this entire time is in fact the basketball from the Bulls' very first title clinching game, game five of the 91 finals. Not the last dance, though, but the first dance. And so he's now tokenizing it. He turned the game five ball into this crypto web three product, which is, in other words, like a meme coin. He launched it in August 2024 ahead of every single at Scottie Pippen post we've shown thus far. And the ball, yes, it's a thing he was advertising on his cap in that video at the conference. It's a thing that was on his hoodie and the gold frame. It's a thing that has assured everybody, this is really me and this is really worth it. And if you continue to have questions about how a physical basketball can be the basis of a meme coin.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  I do.

• 31:31Pablo Torre?

  And even more generally, what is web three? I would like to introduce another member of the at Scottie Pippen cinematic universe. Because this is a talking AI-generated basketball that loves making extremely organic comparisons to the 1991 Chicago Bulls.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Shout out to women creators flipping the script with web three, turning financial hurdles into straight fire opportunities. No gatekeepers in sight. It's like the 1991 Chicago Bulls shattering dynasties. Pure dominance and empowerment. Debate, is web three's revolution bigger than how free agency changed sports forever? What's your hot take?

• 32:14Speaker 05

  That voice you heard was a massive basketball with sunglasses on and a crown in a locker room that has names like Lorden.

• 32:23Pablo Torre?

  Can we zoom in on? Yeah, there it is.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  Yep. Michael Lorden, one of the greatest players of all time.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Is it weird that the basketball has a crown and then there's also Stacy King? Is this basketball supposed to, did Stacy King get turned into a basketball? Like, is that, is that what this is? Scottie Pippen is pitching a movie where Stacy King gets turned into a basketball? And that's the secret to the Bulls' success is that their own teammate is the basketball. And so he keeps going into the basket for his teammates because that's what a good teammate does.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  That's what this is. I'm all for this weird, like, in the spirit of like Juana Man and those movies, a movie where, yeah, a basketball player gets turned into a cool basketball.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  And then it has dollar sign ball printed on it. Now, is that the print of a basketball? Or is that a tattoo? If it is a tattoo, is that the chin? Is that the chest, the neck area? A lot of questions with this nightmare for anyone who's taken an edible before recording a podcast.

• 33:31Pablo Torre?

  There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of game five ball videos like this, far too many to play here. I should note, though, that I come to praise the ball because the ball, not totally unlike this podcast, also fancies itself a watchdog of integrity and also a big fan of good segues. What?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  It's deeply troubling to learn how cryptocurrency is being exploited for military purposes, highlighting the unintended consequences of technology in real world conflicts. This underscores the need for ethical innovation. On a lighter note, let's shift to something unifying, like elite sports debates every fan knows. Who's the ultimate comeback king in the NBA? Michael Jordan's 91 Bulls or LeBron's 2016 Cavaliers? Share your thoughts respectfully.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  Uh, now the ball has a crown, a different pair of sunglasses, some white frame sunglasses, a cape.

• 34:36Pablo Torre?

  You said you wanted everyone to be a Batman character.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  The cape is flowing in a bat-like fashion.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  Okay, all right, I gotta ask the question. Is it a cape in the same way that Batman and Superman wear a cape? Or is the ball, in fact, wearing a durag? And this is the cape of the durag blowing.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Behind it, regally, majestically.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  And if the, does the ball have waves? Is that where the, like, the, the tracks of the, you know, the channels in a basketball? Are they created from the ball wearing a durag at night and brushing its hair religiously? Putting product in there?

• 35:16Speaker 04

  I mean, now that you say it, it does feel like that. Cause also, even the way that the conversation started, that does feel a little bit like barber shop conspiratorial. Like, the guy who shows up into a barber shop with a full wave cap, but never actually gets his haircut.

• 35:34Pablo Torre?

  And then transitions true to, I think, the platonic barber shop to basically wanting to do first take.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Here's my conspiracy theory. Anyway, let's talk about, is it Jordan or LeBron? Who you got?

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Respectfully.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  Respectfully.

• 35:50Pablo Torre?

  Respectfully.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  But also, the weird part of it, knowing that Scottie Pippen is involved in this, and knowing his dynamic with Uncle Mike, there is a part of me where that isn't just Michael Jordan's 91 Bulls.

• 36:07Pablo Torre?

  I also think that all of this points to maybe an Occam's razor explanation, which is where I started, which is, maybe Scottie Pippen's not running this account.

• 36:20Pablo Torre?

  But, but in fairness, in fairness, as we continue to assemble evidence here, I should point out that the anti-corruption perspective expressed in the first third of that video by the talking ball was additionally interesting to me because when the dollar sign ball meme coin was launched on the Ethereum platform, basically as a stock that people could buy into, this was August of 2024, there was certain backlash. As the outlet Bitcoinist observed, a Twitter user and blockchain sleuth named at Zach XBT noticed the developer wallet that created the token contract dumped about $330,000 of the supply almost immediately after launch.

• 37:05Pablo Torre?

  This is otherwise known in the world of crypto as allegedly a rug pull. And in this diagram, which was provided by that Twitter user, at Zach XBT, you sort of see his tracking of the flows of, of, of crypto.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Also, $330,000, you said?

• 37:25Pablo Torre?

  $330,000.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  So Pippen's jersey number.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Thirty-three.

• 37:33Pablo Torre?

  But if you zoom in on the diagram, you can also see a particular connection he highlighted, a connection he made to an abandoned project called Lil Hippo.

• 37:46Pablo Torre?

  Lil Hippo, in case you were wondering.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  A great rapper gone too soon.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  Lil Hippo, SoundCloud rapper Lil Hippo.

• 37:57Pablo Torre?

  Not nearly dissimilar enough from what it actually was, which was a series of cartoon hippos, kinda like bored apes, but for hip-hop hippos.

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 38:08Pablo Torre?

  It launched 2022.

• 38:10Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 38:10Pablo Torre?

  The website no longer works. The Instagram account has been abandoned, but is still alive for us to evaluate.

• 38:19Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  That first one, they're graduated. Congratulations.

• 38:24Pablo Torre?

  The question that I'm left with, though, as we connect these dots ourselves and analyze the world of crypto art projects,

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:32Pablo Torre?

  is whether the voice, I mean, the voice of the game five ball we've been listening to during this episode sounds at all familiar.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  It's disheartening to see the impact of allegations like those against Ben Pasternak in the crypto space affecting investors and raising questions about trust. This echoes the need for integrity, much like in elite sports where fair play defines legends. On a lighter note for sports fans, what's your pick for the greatest NBA comeback ever? Like the 1997 Bulls resilience against the Jazz.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Is that Terrence Howard?

• 39:12Speaker 05

  It's not Terrence Howard. It didn't say Maine not one time in that speech, so it's not Terrence Howard. I'm sorry, I can't get past every speech starts with something massive and real world and then just casually does a, yeah, so like those 97 Bulls, that was pretty cool too, right? Also, the way the sunglasses are positioned on the ball in this one, with the channels moving downward, it indicates the ball's pretty pissed right here.

• 39:42Pablo Torre?

  I gotta say, I had the luxury, of course, of spending hours of my life thinking about where have I heard this voice before? And then I realized that I had seen it in a video years ago that also takes us back to the pandemic and the phenomenon of The Last Dance. Over here, man, over here watching this, uh, The Last Dance with Scottie Pippen, man. Watching Scottie with Scottie.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  It's another level.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Now, just going back to what I was saying about how all the Bulls players should be living like Bruce Wayne. Tyrese is a man who built a Benihana in his backyard, a recreation of a Benihana in his backyard. He has not won a single NBA championship, and he was able to do that. You win six, your backyard should look like the Vegas Strip.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Counterpoint, Transformers, Fast and the Furious.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, no. Tyrese once said that he felt the Fast and Furious movies deserve an Oscar. And where I will grant him something is those movies, they are so successful in a way that they do deserve some recognition with a diverse group of people, one of the biggest movie franchises in an industry where people said, "No, no, you have to have white stars for everything." They said, "Bleep that," and built this giant franchise. It is worth acknowledgement of some kind, maybe not an Oscar, but maybe like a Cable Ace Award.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  Forget about it, cuz.

• 41:37Speaker 04

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• 43:25Pablo Torre?

  In our effort to fulfill the request of Cable Fanos and find out who is behind Scottie Pippen's weird social team, our investigation has now brought us to the human inspiration for the AI-generated voice of a talking basketball: actor and R&B singer Tyrese Gibson, who really was watching The Last Dance, the highly enjoyable docu-series that Scottie Pippen apparently hated with Scottie Pippen and the aforementioned Scottie Pippen Jr. at Gibbsy Hana. Which is what he called the Benihana that he built inside of his yard. And the Gibbsy-Hana at Tyrese's house in Woodland Hills, Southern California. Unfortunately, the property has been sold.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  Aw.

• 44:10Pablo Torre?

  I know. But I did speak to two people who were lucky enough to visit and eat at Gibbsy-Hana with Tyrese himself. And one of them agreed to go on tape with Pablo Torre Finds Out for the very first time. On the condition of anonymity.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  I mean, it's fucking insane.

• 44:30Speaker 05

  You, you have to go through his house, which has a life-sized bumblebee from the movie Transformers, obviously. That's the foyer. You go through that into his backyard, past the mini Starbucks, and then you get to this small bungalow that Gibbsy-Hana's in.

• 44:47Pablo Torre?

  And Gibbsy-Hana, for the record, had a fully functioning tepan yaki grill. Because its eponymous host would accept nothing less.

• 44:56Speaker 05

  Here's the one thing about this house that you have to understand. It's a big house, but the block's not that big. So you're next to other houses, like on his block. And he just lives on like a block.

• 45:10Speaker 05

  There's a literal club.

• 45:13Pablo Torre?

  Wait a minute. I need to know about the club.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  I mean, the club is obviously Club Voltron. It has both a main area and then also a VIP section with a table, which the lid you remove and it turns into a hot tub. And then above the club is the combo barber shop nail salon.

• 45:35Pablo Torre?

  Who is working here?

• 45:36Speaker 05

  Are you talking about Chef Oscar? He's recruited chef from an actual Benihana, who is both chef slash DJ and also great at both.

• 45:47Pablo Torre?

  What is Chef Oscar? Does he do, does he do the onion volcano? Does he do the move?

• 45:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, he does everything. He's throwing, he's throwing shrimp into people's mouths and like, you know, he's- He's really doing the whole thing.

• 45:59Pablo Torre?

  So you're saying that this is a true replication of an actual Benihana?

• 46:06Speaker 05

  I mean, I would push you as far as to say it's an improvement on a Benihana. It's a private Benihana experience with food that is as good, if not better than a regular Benihana.

• 46:16Pablo Torre?

  And also, it's at Tyrese's house.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, and right next to Club Voltron. Not enough restaurants have a Club Voltron, and that's a problem.

• 46:27Pablo Torre?

  But while I was scrolling through Tyrese's many, many social media posts, I noticed something even more eye-catching than Club Voltron. I noticed that Tyrese was not simply promoting Scottie Pippen's dollar sign ball meme coin, which he was. Tyrese was also promoting a related and instrumental character in the whole Scottie Pippen cinematic universe. An apparently key partner and friend to both Tyrese and Scottie, named Kiarrish Behane, whose job is to explain how a physical basketball that Scottie Pippen saved from the clinching game five that won the dynastic Chicago Bulls, their very first championship in 1991,

• 47:12Pablo Torre?

  is also the future.

• 47:18Pablo Torre?

  And I only know this because I stopped when Tyrese, seemingly, made a point to include a photo with a Forbes logo plastered over it, underneath the headline, "Social Media's Secret Weapon." And in the caption, Wyatt, Tyrese writes this.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Entrepreneur, creative director, strategist, viral marketer, founder, father, Billboard hits, number one albums, Fast and the Furious, Jeff Bezos, Jay-Z, top TV shows, blockchain, AI, quiet power. 10 billion viral hits and counting.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  That was, I added the air horn for effect.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  This is John Ralphio, right? Just random buzzwords.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  What's cool, what's cool right now? AI, blockchain, Jay-Z, Jeff Bezos.

• 48:27Pablo Torre?

  One quick side note about the viral hits, the 10 billion of them. He showcases viral hits like this. All right, my brothers and sisters, let me set this right here. Now we're gonna learn the I have a dream dance.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  First step, point that thing up, let them know you see a higher vision. Step it forward.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  Now I'm miserable.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  So that was, yeah, that was AI MLK.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  Teaching a TikTok dance called the I have a dream dance, which, sure, if someone wanted to make a sketch about what it would be like to try to advance the cause of civil rights in the intersection of social media, I could see that as some sketch on a sketch show.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  But to just pass it off as some weird like AI, look at me being, being funny without any context or really any, anything clever other than here's my premise.

• 49:40Pablo Torre?

  They cut it off before the dance.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Cause it couldn't figure that part out. It was all premise. It was all just, it was all just the dream of like, ah, hey, what if, what if MLK was around today and he had to do TikTok dances? I don't know why I was doing a [BLEEP] Bill Cosby impression. Hey there, what if, what if? Slab asleep a doobla.

• 50:11Speaker 05

  And Dr. King. No, I'm curious. This is the part I'm really curious about. Dumb concept for a video was the dumb concept itself created by AI as well.

• 50:23Pablo Torre?

  This brings us to the question of agency, which I think is actually central to the entire episode we've been doing here, I think. But Tyrese's caption about his good friend, Kirish Behane, why it, it does continue.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Now he's innovating sports with at game five ball and still moving like a silent assassin in digital, culture, finance, and tech. Most people never get flowers while they can still smell them. So I'm giving them to him now. He's one of one.

• 51:00Speaker 05

  That's AI.

• 51:02Speaker 05

  That statement right there, 100% that's AI. I can tell by the rhythms.

• 51:07Pablo Torre?

  Well, look, if you're wondering about the, you know, again, was all of this fake? The Jeff Bezos, the Jay-Z, the shout outs. It turns out that when you do go to the Ball Foundation's website, because this is also according to their website, a foundation.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Oh, that's good.

• 51:23Pablo Torre?

  You not only see that Scottie Pippen's friend, Kirish Behane, is indeed listed as a CEO and co-founder, you also see photos of him with Jeff Bezos.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  The point.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  He's exactly who you think it is.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  That's the point is.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  And that is Jeff Bezos before the muscle milk.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 51:48Pablo Torre?

  And also here he is with Jay-Z.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  Now he's pointing at us.

• 51:52Pablo Torre?

  The guy, he's pointing at us for doubting him.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. Also, I didn't realize Jay-Z is so tall.

• 51:58Pablo Torre?

  For scale, maybe this will help. It's a photo of Scottie Pippen.

• 52:05Pablo Torre?

  And the previous gentleman from the conference, Michael Saylor, both sitting down as, over on the left side, Kirish Behane is standing there wearing a cap, a matching cap.

• 52:18Pablo Torre?

  Much like the one Scottie Pippen is wearing on his head with Dollar Sign Ball.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Intrigue you guys and educate you guys a little bit about what's going on in the crypto world.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  Yes, sir. Mr. Pippen, thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, when Scotty told me about the game five ball, at the time, it was one of his most prized possessions, along with his six rings, his two Olympic gold medals. But when I seen this basketball, I seen culture. I seen sports history. I seen us, an opportunity for us to be a part of innovation in the future. And I presented an idea to Mr. Pippen. The idea is simple. You take a basketball, you break it into a billion pieces, and you allow fans in the world to build a project with you,

• 53:12Speaker 05

  like they did the various projects you hear about, Bitcoin, Dogecoin, etc. But this is a different project. We're building the new Nike, the new business. As an example, we're using Nike, of course. But the new world is becoming tokenized. And with this basketball, it's interesting because Forbes recently did a feature on Ball, and they put the energy out there that there's a man on planet Earth by the name of Scottie Pippen, who is taking culture and allowing for the world to turn it into currency.

• 53:49Pablo Torre?

  The reference to Forbes that they made, by the way. I should point out that Forbes is not the publication that I want to draw your attention to next. Because Wyatt, I need us to turn actually to Us Weekly from February 2022, and this headline.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  How rundown media CEO Kiarash Behane is changing Hollywood and the metaverse with his new NFT.

• 54:13Pablo Torre?

  Exclusive.

• 54:15Pablo Torre?

  And the story continues.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  Kirash Behane, CEO of Rundown Media, recently announced the launch of Lil Hippo, which he describes as a "dope collection of 10,000 Lil Hippo NFTs that is helping the next generation enter the metaverse." However, what sets Behane apart from his A-list friends also engaging in cryptocurrency is that Lil Hippo is meant to reach a younger demographic, introducing the concept of crypto to Gen Z and so on.

• 54:53Speaker 05

  Who wrote this?

• 54:55Pablo Torre?

  I love that "and so on" is in the article.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know, and the other generations. Should we get there? I don't know, maybe.

• 55:03Pablo Torre?

  You get the drift.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Maybe we'll be trapped in a forever war and we'll be done.

• 55:10Pablo Torre?

  And so on.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, and so on.

• 55:12Pablo Torre?

  And so, at this point, I mean, with @ZachXBT's diagram featuring Lil Hippo NFT in mind, I, of course, needed to connect with Kirash Behane on LinkedIn, where I asked him three questions in particular in the service of @CableThanos. Question number one: Are you behind Scottie Pippen's viral social media content? To which Kirash Behane replied, quote,

• 55:41Speaker 05

  "I work closely with Scotty on strategy and digital direction, but he is very hands-on and deeply involved in what is being built and communicated."

• 55:53Pablo Torre?

  Number two: Would Scottie Pippen and/or Tyrese Gibson be interested in an interview with me?

• 55:58Speaker 05

  Scotty and Tyrese are not doing interviews at this time.

• 56:03Pablo Torre?

  Number three: There has been previously reported backlash around the $ball developer wallet selling about $330,000 worth of the supply almost immediately after launch in 2024. Do you have any comment?

• 56:17Speaker 05

  On the $ball launch, there was malicious trading activity, including, quote, "snipers," unquote, around the deployer wallet at launch. The project was then paused and capital was redeployed back into the project, including additional liquidity and ongoing development. We have published an on-chain launch report, so the activity can be reviewed and verified directly here.

• 56:41Pablo Torre?

  At which point Wyatt, this is where I direct you to the folder in front of you.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  Oh, alright.

• 56:47Speaker 05

  Oh, folder time!

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:49Pablo Torre?

  In which there is a document that I printed out for you. It came via Google Drive link from Tiara Ashbehane. Could you please describe page one?

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  Save for this moment Wyatt.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, sh**. I, yeah, f**k, I opened it too fast. Ah, wow, okay. Game five ball, for the first time ever, we are tokenizing history with history. And then, there's an X account link.

• 57:18Pablo Torre?

  And I should say that I'm no crypto expert here, but the document then goes on to describe how, quote, "The project encountered aggressive attacks, including impersonation, phishing, and sniping, leading to a decision to, quote, 'protect liquidity amidst attacks by transferring approximately $330,000 to developer wallet to, quote, 'safeguard funds.'"

• 57:41Speaker 04

  I am loosing page two from the paperclip. Ooh, that's smooth.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  So there's a transparency and trust section, which says, "We invite our community to verify all transactions through the provided contract and deployer addresses. This transparency underscores our commitment to building trust and protecting our community." And then, moving forward, "We are excited about the next steps and encouraged by our community's dedication to making Dollar Sign Ball a leading RWA for sports success in crypto. The community will take a vote on burning tokens and take steps to begin phase two of the Ball project and continue to add liquidity and LP tokens. We're also responding to all the companies and organizations

• 58:33Speaker 04

  interested that have reached out for potential partnerships and collaborations in sports, tech, gaming, venture capital, and who understand the value of a championship ball played by legendary basketball players. We acknowledge that no launch is perfect and commit to continuous improvement. Building trust is an ongoing journey and we appreciate your support."

• 59:00Speaker 05

  Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned kinda guy, or maybe I'm an idiot, but I didn't understand a single thing that was said there.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  It just sounds like gibberish.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, the last sentence feels like one of those things that is, if our actions offended anyone, please know that was not our intent. We acknowledge that note like that. It feels like some weird like PR apology, non-apology.

• 59:26Pablo Torre?

  Well, for the record, I was also a bit confused and I further reached out to Scottie Pippen and Tyrese Gibson directly. Neither of them, granted an interview to Pablo Torre finds out. But I do think there is one voice that might provide some clarity at the end here.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  It's alarming to see how AI is being misused for scams, leaving people feeling vulnerable and outsmarted, much like how a rigged game can shatter the trust in sports we all hold dear. Just think about the integrity of legends like Michael Jordan's 1991 Bulls. One fake move could tarnish that legacy forever. Let's discuss, how can we protect what's real in both tech and sports to keep the playing field fair for everyone?

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  And so on.

• 1:00:31Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

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