MFM Minisode 448

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• 0:01Karen Kilgariff?

  This is exactly right.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  In New Orleans, truckers kept getting sideswiped the exact same way. When a man is found murdered under questionable circumstances related to these accidents, the rubber hits the road. And what the feds uncover is a complex scheme of staged wrecks, financial fraud, and a pair of conspiring lovers behind it. This is a story about fake accidents that led to real consequences. Listen to Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all episodes early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

• 0:42Georgia Hardstark?

  The Hulu original series Phony is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Sonny's life is pretty great until he wakes up from a car accident to a world that looks exactly like his, with one exception: his mom.

• 0:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Starring five-time Emmy nominee Carney Britton and Sam Nivola, this small town is hiding the mother of all mysteries just beneath the surface.

• 1:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Watch the Hulu original series, Phony.

• 1:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+ for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Goodbye.

• 1:10Speaker 03

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• 1:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello. Hello. And welcome. To my favorite murder. The mini-sode. That's right. It's the one where we read your emails. And we're gonna do it now. Again. Again and now. Want me to start? Sure. I'm not gonna read you this after. Okay. It's a fun reveal. Okay. It starts out, "Hello Karen, Georgia and pets. So it turns out I spent part of my childhood in an apartment with a corpse in the attic." What? Okay. Starting strong. So it says, "Before we begin, I just need to say that my granny had nothing to do with this. It just happened at the small housing complex where she lived before she moved in, and it came to light after her death. It also brought the little ex-mining village in Wales, I would pronounce it Bedau, because

• 2:41Karen Kilgariff?

  that's B-E-D-D-A-U, and then it says in parentheses, 'pronounced Bathi.'" Of course. How would you have guessed that? If there's any place that needs a spell it like you say it, it's Wales. Oh, yeah. Bathide High School? Bathide High School, go Bathide. "This case brought the town of Bathi, Wales, to the attention of the whole world. My granny died back in 2015, and she'd been living in a council block of four flats for older people for 15 years since being widowed. Her upstairs neighbor was a younger woman called Lee, whose husband had, quote, 'left her before my granny moved in.' Lee had been really helpful to my granny when she was ill, so when Lee became seriously

• 3:24Karen Kilgariff?

  ill with cancer, my mother and father helped her out as she didn't have a family, or so we thought. When she died, my mother struggled to register her death because her next of kin was still listed as her husband, who we all thought had left her before we knew her. Fast forward to a month after Lee's funeral, in which my mother said, 'We all heard so many different stories from Lee, but only God and Lee know who she really was.'" She was saying that in the best way possible. And then it says, oh, how prophetic. My dad told me that the police had found a body in the shared garden where my granny had lived. I jokingly asked if it was Lee's husband and my dad just nodded and said that my mother was being interviewed by the police. Oh, my god.

• 4:09Karen Kilgariff?

  She thinks she's being funny. Yeah. Oh, is it Lee's husband? Yeah. He's like, actually. Yes. Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want the affirmative answers to. Turns out that three years before my granny moved in in 1997, during a row with her husband, Lee hit him in the head with a ceramic frog and killed him. Damn. The shape of the frog perfectly matched the hole in his skull. She then wrapped him up in plastic and put him in the attic. He was chemically mummified there and there were 50 layers of wrapping, including plastic bags, tarps, and roofing plastic. Sorry, can we go back? She kept the ceramic frog that she used to kill her husband. She must have because they either had it or they had to buy a replica.

• 4:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Right. Okay, go on. I mean, if she killed him. Yeah. And then she's like. I really love this frog. Yeah. Or I really love that I did this. Yeah. I mean. Okay. Anytime he started to smell, she added another layer. He was up there for 18 years. Wow. She was still claiming his Korean War pension this whole time. Okay, here we go. The plastic package the body was in was found under a bench in the shared garden by the woman who moved into my granny's flat when she was clearing a corner of the garden to make a memorial for Lee. We think Lee broke her leg moving the body to the garden and that's how she found out she had cancer and was dying

• 5:37Karen Kilgariff?

  and how my mother started caring for her. So basically, this is a perfectly laid out horror movie. Yeah, but like thinking back-ness of it all. Yeah. I'm so glad my dad and my uncle were too busy to help her, quote, "get something from the attic" when she asked. She, they were enmeshed in this woman's life. Oh, my god. And then it just ends with, "Stay sexy and don't help granny's neighbors move suspicious packages." Elle from South Wales, UK. Wow.

• 6:05Georgia Hardstark?

  You have to imagine, and I've always thought about this, there has to be at least a couple dozen people in the world who have unknown bodies in their place of residence.

• 6:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 6:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Right?

• 6:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Absolutely.

• 6:16Georgia Hardstark?

  A couple, a few dozen, remember the barrel?

• 6:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Bear Creek?

• 6:19Georgia Hardstark?

  No, the one where they found a barrel under the house.

• 6:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yes, in the basement.

• 6:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 6:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 6:24Georgia Hardstark?

  And like went back a few owners and it turned out he had killed her, yeah. Like, there's gotta be a few.

• 6:29Karen Kilgariff?

  There's gotta be.

• 6:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Hope it's not mine.

• 6:30Karen Kilgariff?

  I thought you were gonna say, there's gotta be people out there who have helped a killer do something unknowingly.

• 6:35Georgia Hardstark?

  That, too.

• 6:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Aided and abetted.

• 6:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:38Karen Kilgariff?

  There's so many things out in the world.

• 6:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, mine is called Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. "Hi, I'm listening to mini-sode 444, where you ask for Wolf in Sheep's Clothing story."

• 6:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:49Georgia Hardstark?

  "And now my time has finally come. My family and I spent most of the aughts, 2000s," it says, "in a seemingly quintessential small town. I have fond memories of summer days spent at the public pool where my mom, a teacher at the time, would bake in the sun while my brother and I swam for hours."

• 7:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 7:05Georgia Hardstark?

  "The evenings were spent just eating dinner on the back porch, followed by a game of wiffle ball. Unfortunately, these games often turned into my dad and whoever was over at the time taking turns batting while my brother and I were sent to wait in the neighbor's yard on the other side of the fence to catch the balls. It was agonizing as an eight-year-old who'd just learned how to bat without a tee, but I digress. On one occasion, our youth pastor came over for one of these legendary evenings. This was a normal occurrence as my dad was the pastor at our church. Rather than cook, my parents ordered wings from our local shop. About midway through our meal, I look up at our guest and see this man, all caps, covered in wing sauce. The sauce covered at least two inches around his mouth and coated every finger past his knuckles.

• 7:50Georgia Hardstark?

  I remember being mesmerized and horrified by this man. How could this happen? Didn't it bother him? Where was his napkin? Something about that struck a nerve in my eight-year-old body, and I never trusted him again." Which I totally understand, like, people who eat, like, barbecue and just get it everywhere, I couldn't live with myself.

• 8:08Karen Kilgariff?

  It's one thing to do that by yourself at home, watching TV alone, but like, in a restaurant, that eight-year-old was exactly right.

• 8:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, are you kidding me? Where you're just like, ah, and you just don't care what people think.

• 8:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, flash forward to 2018, I'm chatting with my mom about this absurd memory when she goes, "You know, it's wild you mentioned not trusting him, because we found out later that he was paying women for sex at the local college." That's right. One day, my mom was sitting at the lunch table at school and some student teacher started talking about him and how he pays their friends for sex. Needless to say, he was quickly fired from his role as youth pastor and sent to therapy.

• 8:46Karen Kilgariff?

  I feel like they should maybe just fire all the youth pastors and start with a clean slate because I can't, just all I see are bad stories about those people.

• 8:54Georgia Hardstark?

  And anyone who like, any man who like asks to be pastor, no, it has to go to someone who doesn't want to do it.

• 9:00Karen Kilgariff?

  That's too humble.

• 9:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 9:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Another crazy coincidence, our masked town flasher suddenly stopped terrorizing young women once this man left town.

• 9:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit.

• 9:10Georgia Hardstark?

  My mom thinks it was him. She's correct. Love you both. You've been alongside me through thyroid cancer, six years in remission.

• 9:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yay.

• 9:17Georgia Hardstark?

  And the births of my three wonderful insane children. Thank you for all you do. Stay sexy and don't trust a messy wing eater, M.

• 9:26Karen Kilgariff?

  M, you must have the kind of confidence of a person who's a true visionary where you're just like, as a child, I spotted the town perv.

• 9:34Georgia Hardstark?

  You're not even doing like anything mean. It's just like, this is not an okay move for an adult and I'm suspicious.

• 9:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 9:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Love it.

• 9:41Karen Kilgariff?

  The vibe is wrong.

• 9:42Georgia Hardstark?

  The vibe's wrong.

• 9:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Karen Kilgariff?

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• 10:28Karen Kilgariff?

  use offer code MURDER to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Goodbye. You know a favorite M-word? Magnesium.

• 10:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 10:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Made from a proprietary blend of topical minerals powered by pure Epsom salt and natural Dead Sea salt, it's designed to help you relax and get in the right state of mind for a good night's rest.

• 10:48Georgia Hardstark?

  If you need a reset after a crazy day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine. It's an effortless way to get a boost of topical magnesium that can help you relax your body and mind before bedtime.

• 11:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Dr. Teal's magnesium spray comes in a lightweight, fast drying formula.

• 11:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 11:08Karen Kilgariff?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray because I do have problems sleeping. And when there's something this simple, you just spray it on your feet and suddenly you're asleep and the next morning you're like, wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved? Like, it actually is that easy.

• 11:23Georgia Hardstark?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like, what more do you want?

• 11:26Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 11:28Georgia Hardstark?

  For wellness you can feel, find Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle.

• 11:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 11:35Georgia Hardstark?

  The Hulu original series Phony is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+

• 11:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Sonny's life is pretty great, until he wakes up from a car accident to a world that looks exactly like his with one exception: his mom.

• 11:47Georgia Hardstark?

  To everyone else, she's the same Ellen they've known their whole lives, but for Sonny, he knows something is off.

• 11:53Karen Kilgariff?

  As his relationship with his mother begins to crack in unsettling ways, he's forced to question what happens when the perfect mom becomes a perfect stranger.

• 12:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this all in his head or is there really an imposter in his house?

• 12:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Starring five-time Emmy nominee Connie Britton and Sam Nivola, this small town is hiding the mother of all mysteries just beneath the surface.

• 12:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Watch the Hulu original series Phony.

• 12:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+ for bundle subscribers. Terms apply.

• 12:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 12:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, the subject line of this email is "A Tale of Two Tonys." It says, "Hi there." So I've got a story about the coincidence of coincidences. Years ago in the 90s, my mom needed her car worked on, which seems like the norm for that time.

• 12:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 12:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Remember back when cars broke down and you had to take them to the mechanic all the time?

• 12:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and you had your mechanic and you were his friend, yeah.

• 12:43Karen Kilgariff?

  My auntie referred her to a family friend who happened to be a mechanic named Tony and who worked out of his garage. This also seemed like the norm for the time, where you always saved money on car repairs by going to someone's home. Yep. My dad's friend Duke's son fixed our car for years.

• 12:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Amazing.

• 13:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Anywho, for whatever reason, my mom used the phone book to get Tony's address while my auntie set up the appointment to drop the car off. Again, this was the 90s, so I don't remember if people were just way more discreet with information, but my auntie likely referred her to the phone book for his address. Well, the time came and we, my 30-ish year old mom and her two young children, went to Tony's house. Nothing was amiss until one hour turned into four hours later and we were still waiting for my auntie to pick us up. My mom tried calling multiple times using Tony's landline and left increasingly desperate messages. When my auntie finally answered, she was frantic and asked where the hell we were and that we were supposed to be at Tony's house hours ago.

• 13:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Confused, my mom told her that we were at Tony's house, but no, no, no, we weren't because she was at Tony's house. We had a memento moment before memento was even a thing and went in circles putting the pieces together. Apparently, we stumbled upon a glitch in the matrix where two Tonys existed with the same exact name and who work on cars from their homes.

• 14:02Georgia Hardstark?

  That's wild.

• 14:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, my mom had never spoken to this imposter Tony, nor was there any indication that he was a mechanic in the phone book. But when we showed up with our broke ass car, he and his family welcomed us into their home with no questions asked.

• 14:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it, okay. Someone must have agreed to this.

• 14:21Karen Kilgariff?

  They let us play with their dog for four hours and assured us the car would be fixed.

• 14:25Georgia Hardstark?

  What a lovely family.

• 14:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. When all was finally revealed, everyone had a good laugh and impostor Tony insisted on repairing our car.

• 14:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my god.

• 14:35Karen Kilgariff?

  He still wanted to do it.

• 14:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And he knew how.

• 14:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, exactly. Thank god. Thinking back, we got very lucky that it worked out better than anyone could have imagined. I mean, at best, Tony could have just been a regular schmo who had no idea what the hell we were doing at his house. And at worst, he could have been a murderer waiting for an unsuspecting family to come along.

• 14:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Karen Kilgariff?

  The laziest murderer ever to...

• 14:56Georgia Hardstark?

  When someone gets here, I'll take care of it.

• 14:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, but until that time, I'm just gonna fix cars.

• 15:00Georgia Hardstark?

  This lazy boy isn't gonna...

• 15:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Do my thing, yeah. Or, and I imagine this often, what if impostor Tony and his family thought we were the crazed murderers masquerading as a humble family in need of car repairs? It's like one of those upside down fairy tales where we terrorize this poor family for four hours with our lies of, "Someone is coming to pick us up. It will be just another 10 minutes."

• 15:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Four hours.

• 15:23Karen Kilgariff?

  That's so embarrassing. That's how I lived my entire childhood of being at someone's house. And they're like, "Well, we're starting dinner. You can sit in the living room if you want to."

• 15:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Because your mom's not here yet.

• 15:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 15:33Karen Kilgariff?

  They'll be here soon. Poor things just wanted to sit down to dinner and get on with their lives. That's the story. Just a crazy set of coincidences fostered by the lack of communication in the 90s, I guess. Who the fuck knows? Love you guys and can't wait to see you when you come to Denver. SSDGM, Karis.

• 15:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yay. I know, that's the first can't wait to see you that we've gotten in an email. Exciting. Okay. "World War II Puppy Stowaways and Attic Treasures," this one's called. "Hi all, longtime listener, first time writer. First, thank you for getting me through the pandemic. I'm a healthcare worker and while not on the front lines, I went to work every day hoping my immunocompromised patients would survive and desperately trying to convince them to wear a mask."

• 16:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Sorry, how is that not being on the front lines?

• 16:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I know.

• 16:18Karen Kilgariff?

  You're there. You don't have to be in the emergency room.

• 16:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 16:21Karen Kilgariff?

  God.

• 16:21Georgia Hardstark?

  MFM was a consistent place I could go to laugh and commiserate. Thank you so much. Oh, that's nice. I was listening to episode 486 about Smokey the Yorkie, World War II hero dog, where you wondered if people snuck pets when they went to war. We wondered that.

• 16:36Karen Kilgariff?

  You know, I love to just throw in some conjecture when you're trying to tell a story.

• 16:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 16:40Karen Kilgariff?

  It's my part.

• 16:41Georgia Hardstark?

  And the short answer is yes.

• 16:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yay.

• 16:43Georgia Hardstark?

  The long answer is, in 2014, after my grandpa passed, we went through my mom's family home and in the attic, we found boxes of magazines, clippings, photos, camp papers, and other artifacts spanning my grandpa's military service in World War II. This includes over 500 letters he wrote to my grandma from induction and training to the Pacific Theater and finally occupied Japan. 500. He was salty about being drafted, but he did the best he could and managed to keep his sense of humor. The letters are funny, sarcastic, sometimes devastating, but always end with his love and devotion to my grandma. While going through it all, I found a photo of someone who had snuck a puppy in a boat going to the Pacific. I guess ultimately, what were they going to do about it?

• 17:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Nothing like a puppy to boost morale. They just brought a puppy on-

• 17:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Into war.

• 17:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Into war on a ship. They also traveled with a sanctioned regiment mascot, a dog named Murphy, and a division mascot, a live, all caps, Bobcat.

• 17:42Karen Kilgariff?

  What?

• 17:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 17:43Karen Kilgariff?

  What?

• 17:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Named Tuffy. That's a good name.

• 17:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Our second dog. We had a dog named Mugsy who had a puppy, and we named the puppy Tuffy.

• 17:52Georgia Hardstark?

  What? I've never heard of it before.

• 17:53Karen Kilgariff?

  We had a Tuffy.

• 17:54Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so funny. They were the 81st Infantry Division Wildcats. That doesn't excuse anything.

• 17:59Karen Kilgariff?

  How do you train or even slightly control?

• 18:02Georgia Hardstark?

  This guy's like, can you put me back in the wild, please?

• 18:05Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't want to be in war.

• 18:06Georgia Hardstark?

  I live at the zoo, at the, like, worst, but not here.

• 18:10Karen Kilgariff?

  But not the South Pacific.

• 18:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, mascots are supposed to be drawings, not actual. And then it says, oh, the 40s of it all.

• 18:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. Oh, shameless plug, my friend Carson, also a big MFM fan, and I have decided to read the letters on a podcast. It's called 500 Letters to Nana, and it will start August 2025.

• 18:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Cute.

• 18:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. We keep saying to each other, bigger idiots than you, as we press forward with this project. Also, thanks to Georgia's Nana.

• 18:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Aww.

• 18:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Thanks again for snapping me out of it on some dark days. Love to you and all your morale-boosting pets, Katie. Hell, yeah, 500 Letters to Nana. Go listen to and support your local murderino.

• 18:47Karen Kilgariff?

  I think that's such a great idea. I would love to hear those letters.

• 18:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. That's so exciting. That's really awesome.

• 18:52Karen Kilgariff?

  They're gonna be doing a podcast for 10 years, too.

• 18:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Buckle the fuck up.

• 18:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Have fun. You can't end that podcast before they find out how they get out of that fucking war.

• 19:00Georgia Hardstark?

  I know. What's gonna happen?

• 19:03Karen Kilgariff?

  You know a favorite M-word? Magnesium.

• 19:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray?

• 19:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Made from a proprietary blend of topical minerals, powered by pure Epsom salt and natural Dead Sea salt, it's designed to help you relax and get in the right state of mind for a good night's rest.

• 19:18Georgia Hardstark?

  If you need a reset after a crazy day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine. It's an effortless way to get a boost of topical magnesium that can help you relax your body and mind before bedtime.

• 19:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Dr. Teal's magnesium spray comes in a lightweight, fast- drying formula.

• 19:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 19:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray because I do have problems sleeping. And when there's something this simple, you just spray it on your feet and suddenly you're asleep and the next morning you're like, wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved? Like, it actually is that easy.

• 19:53Georgia Hardstark?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like, what more do you want?

• 19:56Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 19:58Georgia Hardstark?

  For wellness, you can feel find Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle.

• 20:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 20:05Georgia Hardstark?

  The Hulu original series Phony is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.

• 20:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Sonny's life is pretty great. Until he wakes up from a car accident to a world that looks exactly like his, with one exception: his mom.

• 20:17Georgia Hardstark?

  To everyone else, she's the same Ellen they've known their whole lives. But for Sonny, he knows something is off.

• 20:22Karen Kilgariff?

  As his relationship with his mother begins to crack in unsettling ways, he's forced to question what happens when the perfect mom becomes a perfect stranger.

• 20:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this all in his head or is there really an imposter in his house?

• 20:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Starring five-time Emmy nominee Connie Britton and Sam Nivola, this small town is hiding the mother of all mysteries just beneath the surface.

• 20:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Watch the Hulu original series, Phony.

• 20:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+ for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Goodbye.

• 20:49Speaker 03

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• 21:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, this, when I read this email, I was like, this might be it in terms of people reaching out and giving us some information, telling us their own personal story. Better than a snail eating green beans? I mean, it's just, it's all the scale of how you live your life. Sure. The subject line of this is a fishy client. "Hey, you guys." It could be, "Hey, you guys." Yeah. Maybe, a lot of S's. "I'm writing in after hearing Karen describe how her dad had a fish tank that took way too much effort to care for. Turns out, that's my whole thing. I am the curator of aquatic husbandry at the [bleep] Aquarium." What? Huge. Yeah. "I've had a storied career as a shark wrangler, jellyfish breeder, and octopus playmate."

• 22:06Karen Kilgariff?

  What the fuck? "I already love you so much." What a life to live. "I used to say I wanted to be a marine biologist because it sounded conceptually interesting as a child." You got to play with a fucking octopus. Or wrangle a shark. Oh, my god, okay. "But those aren't the stories I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you about one of my side hustles when I was living in the Virgin Islands taking care of fish tanks at various businesses." Love that, too. "One of which was in a financial office where I initially felt bad about overcharging them. That is, until I looked down at a baseball hat sitting on the desk of my client, and it read, 'Little St. James,' an island otherwise known by the locals as Pedophile Island." No. Yeah, ready?

• 22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  "My first thought, who in their right mind would have a hat bragging about visiting that island? Then it hit me like a wave as I stared at the giant portraits plastering the walls of young girls that I'd assumed were my client's daughters. I was standing in Jeffrey Epstein's actual office." We're gonna, we're gonna get, we can't, I'm so, this is insane. Right?

• 23:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Right?

• 23:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 23:14Karen Kilgariff?

  This is the kind of email I've been waiting for.

• 23:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit.

• 23:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, I'm gonna just break right here, right now, listener, and say, hey, we can't verify our emails.

• 23:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 23:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Nor do we.

• 23:24Georgia Hardstark?

  It sounds legit. Someone's gotta clean the fish tank of people's business and...

• 23:28Karen Kilgariff?

  There's a large trust factor in the whole mini-soad concept, which there's really no reason not to trust people.

• 23:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 23:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Usually, we can kinda suss out if someone sounds like they're making up a story.

• 23:39Georgia Hardstark?

  I believe them.

• 23:39Karen Kilgariff?

  That's when I started to notice the odd details about the building, like where there were and weren't cameras, and that his office locked from both the inside and the outside.

• 23:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Ah.

• 23:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm-hmm. These are details that sometimes we don't notice in the day-to-day.

• 23:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Karen Kilgariff?

  But we should. Suddenly overcharging him didn't seem like such a bad idea because fuck that guy.

• 23:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh-huh.

• 24:00Karen Kilgariff?

  After that, whenever I came in to clean the fish tank and the boss was in, I always opted to come back a different day.

• 24:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 24:07Karen Kilgariff?

  In the end, my services were no longer required when he was arrested, and yes, we did take a boat out there to watch the FBI raid Pedophile Island. This person is a firsthand, if they are true

• 24:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Karen Kilgariff?

  in these alleged claims.

• 24:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Karen Kilgariff?

  They're a first-person witness to all of that shit.

• 24:26Georgia Hardstark?

  This is wild.

• 24:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Mostly, I wanted to see if the rumor was true, that he had a life-size statue of a cow, which was someone's job to move around the island occasionally. Anyway. They don't confirm it. Anyway, I hope this gets read, that y'all are having a fantastic day.

• 24:46Karen Kilgariff?

  A girl can dream. Stay sexy and always figure out who you're working for. Best fishes, Caroline.

• 24:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Caroline, let's hang out immediately.

• 24:55Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean...

• 24:56Georgia Hardstark?

  And how am I... The whole time, I was like, how do I follow this? How do I follow this? I have one more. I can't follow this. I know. Do you feel that, Caroline?

• 25:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Caroline brought us, like, heartbreaking

• 25:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 25:06Karen Kilgariff?

  major, worldwide news goss, so it's just a different thing.

• 25:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Wild. Amazing. Kids, stay in school and become a marine biologist.

• 25:15Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 25:16Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm not going to read you the title. Hello, Georgia, Karen, and all the MFM furry friends and family. Your podcast has brought me so much joy over the years. So I'll start this story off with a big thank you. You've made subway rides, long car trips, plane rides, and dog walks all bearable. Okay, so the story begins in my hometown of Brights Grove, Ontario, Canada. Ever heard of it? I didn't think so. Brights Grove. I was 15 or 16 years old, just finishing my 10th or 11th year of high school. I don't remember slash can't do the math. And needed my own income to supply myself with copious amounts of vanilla and lemon flavored vodka. And it says, I literally winced while writing that for the summer ahead.

• 25:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Vanilla vodka is really upsetting me right now.

• 26:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I accidentally ordered a drink recently with vanilla vodka. And as soon as I took a sip, I was just like transported to my twenties. It was awful. It was awful. It's disgusting.

• 26:11Karen Kilgariff?

  So bad.

• 26:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Every kid in my hometown either worked at one of two places, the local restaurant or the grocery store. I was too scared of breaking change, again, the math. So I never applied to the restaurant and got myself a job at the grocery store's produce department.

• 26:24Karen Kilgariff?

  They have it there too, girl.

• 26:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but if you go to the produce department, you're stacking bananas.

• 26:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah, you're just like, yeah.

• 26:29Georgia Hardstark?

  No math. The jobs were broken down by department. Most of my friends were hired to work in the bakery or at the front till. Well, I was blessed with a job of stocking fruits and veggies, perhaps the easiest of the departments. Or so I thought. I bet there's like little customer service that goes along with that.

• 26:43Karen Kilgariff?

  For sure.

• 26:44Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, which is nice.

• 26:44Karen Kilgariff?

  You have to help people pick ripe things.

• 26:47Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet there's not a lot of people, though. I would never ask anything to a fruit person, would you? I would never bother a fruit and vegetable person.

• 26:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Not unless they were like, I think I did it one time because he was already doing stuff.

• 26:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Karen Kilgariff?

  And it was like, can you help me pick a ripe mango?

• 27:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. My shifts consisted of lifting heavy boxes full of bananas, potatoes, what have you, putting them on a wheeling cart and stocking the shelves for anything that needed replenishing. That's how that works. Every so often, I had to put together salads or wrap cobs of corn in a five-piece package. All caps, truly exciting stuff.

• 27:20Georgia Hardstark?

  You can bet your butts that most of my shifts started with me violently hungover, sneaking off to the giant freezers to regain life, or trying not to throw up at the smell of rotting potatoes, literally the worst smell proved me wrong.

• 27:32Karen Kilgariff?

  I spent so much time in my twenties, hungover and trying to make it through.

• 27:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I have gone into a giant freezer to see if it helps with a hangover before. Like, I know that sensation.

• 27:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 27:43Georgia Hardstark?

  It does work a little bit.

• 27:44Karen Kilgariff?

  I bet.

• 27:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. One of those hungover 6:30 AM mornings, ugh, of my youth, was a memorable one. I used to stay up all night, we'd go to a rave, I'd be on drugs, and then I'd go into the bakery that morning at 6:30.

• 27:57Karen Kilgariff?

  A bakery?

• 27:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I worked at the local bakery. And I was like, I could still hear the techno in my fucking brain.

• 28:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you're just, you're reverberating with the experience. Did they know that that's what you were doing, or they're just like?

• 28:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know, I was like 15, I just looked great and acted great and could do anything. I was never tired.

• 28:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, not like now.

• 28:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyway, while rinsing off romaine lettuce in the giant sinks, I noticed a spider crawling up the wall just one foot away from my head. If I hadn't been so hungover, I would have screamed and run in the other direction, but instead, I lazily grabbed the box the lettuce came in and smashed a spawn of Satan into the wall. After cleaning up the demon's remains, I noticed some familiar markings on the spider's body. All caps, what they don't tell you, when you're hired in the produce section, is that you may come across tropical species that have traveled with the tropical fruit. This is why you don't bring Costco boxes into your, like, you know, they give those to you to pack your groceries, don't bring those into your house.

• 28:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Because there's spiders in there.

• 28:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, yes. I wasn't shown this binder of species until I was, it's a whole binder of species, that's how many, until I was literally holding a black widow spider in a Kleenex to show my boss. I was flinging all sorts of boxes of fruit left and right without any thought, not knowing that a friggin scorpion could be hiding with the grapes and bananas. Anyways, the black widow was put in a jar and saved as a reminder to any new staff that you may run into a poisonous insect while on the job and to be mindful. I'd like to thank my hangover for allowing me to not give a fuck about a spider crawling up the wall had I not had those double shots of vodka the night before. Who knows where that spidey would have ended up? That's all. Stay sexy and know that the produce section may be the easiest of the jobs at the grocery

• 29:40Georgia Hardstark?

  store, but is also the scariest.

• 29:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Adele, she/her.

• 29:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow, Adele, you've really lived through something. Now, here's my thing. We had black widow spiders around a lot growing up.

• 29:51Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet you did because you had lived out in the country.

• 29:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It was like barn stuff.

• 29:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Karen Kilgariff?

  So when she was like about to describe the spider, I'm like, here we go. It's a poisonous tarantula. It's like, it's the spider you see all the time.

• 30:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I've barely seen one.

• 30:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Really?

• 30:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, I've like seen a lot in one place, but not a lot in places.

• 30:09Karen Kilgariff?

  It is really jarring when you see it and you see the little red hourglass. Like, it's real.

• 30:14Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so scary.

• 30:15Karen Kilgariff?

  All that part, yeah.

• 30:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Because it's just like your whole life, you're brought up being like, danger.

• 30:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 30:19Georgia Hardstark?

  And then it's there.

• 30:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Not a fan.

• 30:21Karen Kilgariff?

  We don't like danger, ladies and gentlemen. We never have on this podcast, and I don't think we ever will.

• 30:26Georgia Hardstark?

  But write us about your dangerous things that you run into.

• 30:29Karen Kilgariff?

  That's the kind of danger we like.

• 30:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 30:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Secondhand.

• 30:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. At myfavormurder@gmail. Thank you guys so much for listening.

• 30:35Karen Kilgariff?

  And stay sexy.

• 30:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 30:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 30:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 30:47Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right production.

• 30:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

• 30:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 30:54Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Liana Scolacci.

• 30:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected].

• 30:59Georgia Hardstark?

  And follow the show on Instagram at myfavormurder.

• 31:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 31:06Georgia Hardstark?

  And now you can watch us on Exactly Right's YouTube page. And while you're there, please like and subscribe.

• 31:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 31:18Karen Kilgariff?

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• 31:37Karen Kilgariff?

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