Kristin Spills Tea on Morgan Wallen, Jay Cutler & Montana Boy

The legendary Kristin Cavallari joins Bunnie, bringing all her iconic energy. The two dive into Kristin’s wild journey from reality TV queen on Laguna Beach and The Hills to her lasting status as a Hollywood "it" girl. Kristin dishes on flings with Morgan Wallen and the mysterious Montana Boy (yes, their big… hearts), life in the dating world after divorce, and spills some juicy behind-the-scenes drama from Very Cavallari. She also shares how she built her booming jewelry and skincare brand, Uncommon James, and what exciting moves she’s planning for 2025 and beyond. Kristin: IG https://www.instagram.com/kristincavallari/?hl=en | Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lets-be-honest-with-kristin-cavallari/id1700725168 Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

  Bunny XO.

• 0:00Speaker 01

  She was a Vegas queen.

• 0:02Bunnie XO?

  Bunny XO.

• 0:10Speaker 02

  Don Blunt Podcast. Bunny.

• 0:23Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? Hi, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blunt. My girl, Kristin Cavallari is in the house, baby.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm so excited to be here.

• 0:33Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.

• 0:37Speaker 03

  I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months, months.

• 0:41Bunnie XO?

  Maybe it might even be a year.

• 0:42Speaker 03

  That's what I was gonna say. It might be. Yeah. So yay. So happy it's finally happening.

• 0:47Bunnie XO?

  Dude, you are an icon in your own right, dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new TikTok people really know, like, your whole lore.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 0:57Bunnie XO?

  You have, like, a lore to you. And it's like, people are just like, oh, Kristin Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like, and they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who Kristin is?

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I love when people comment, who are you? It's like, you're the one commenting on my page. Get out of here.

• 1:12Bunnie XO?

  I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you? You know?

• 1:15Speaker 03

  It's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna Beach. And people thought it was like a, like, in real time, like, I was just doing it.

• 1:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:25Speaker 03

  And some people obviously get it. But TikTok is, it's, yeah, is it a younger generation?

• 1:30Bunnie XO?

  I, I, not on my FYP, but I, I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok. That it's like, the age group is just so vast over there.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like Laguna Beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know? Or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick?

• 1:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I get, I get all kinds of comments.

• 1:52Bunnie XO?

  Well, let's get them familiar with you because I have an entire interview planned out for you. Because I, there's just, you have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything. And I, hopefully, in this interview, people and podcasts, people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of like, everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on Very Cavallari and all that stuff. So.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  All right. I love it. So let's dig in.

• 2:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's dig in. Let's take it back to the hills because that's where I fell in love with you. You had like this huge personality and you didn't take anybody's shit.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25Bunnie XO?

  And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it like a bunch of rich kids whose parents like sent them to casting agents? Or like, how did this even come about?

• 2:35Speaker 03

  So Laguna Beach or the hills?

• 2:36Bunnie XO?

  The hills.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  The hills.

• 2:37Bunnie XO?

  The hills was first, right?

• 2:38Speaker 03

  No, so Laguna Beach was first.

• 2:40Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Laguna Beach.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Okay, so Laguna Beach. So I mean, literally, it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school and MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school, so they found all of us. And then, of course, the parents freaked out and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap and it completely changed my life.

• 3:13Bunnie XO?

  That's insanity.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:15Bunnie XO?

  So you grew up in Laguna Beach or did you grow up in like?

• 3:18Speaker 03

  So I grew up all over. So a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.

• 3:25Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble. And so I ended up moving in with my dad, my freshman year of high school, to Laguna.

• 3:38Bunnie XO?

  What kind of trouble were we getting into?

• 3:39Speaker 03

  Well, Bunny.

• 3:41Bunnie XO?

  Because I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  But so funny because for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood and then like my partying ways and stuff. And now I just fully embrace it, you know?

• 3:53Bunnie XO?

  That's what made you the woman you are today.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Exactly. But so I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out.

• 4:00Bunnie XO?

  Eighth grade?

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Eighth grade. Yeah, I was young. And so, and my boyfriend Johnny at the time lived close. And he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up. And we would just, I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.

• 4:17Bunnie XO?

  Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just like ditching, school, partying, like?

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Ditching school and just friends. Yeah. You know, it just, I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs. And the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.

• 4:46Bunnie XO?

  When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough? Relationship with the parents.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  It so my dad is a narcissist, typical narcissist.

• 4:57Bunnie XO?

  So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually, and he died in May.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 5:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I it's having a narcissistic father is so it just it's you can't explain it unless you've gone through it, or somebody can relate to it.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Because there's so many layers to it. It's complicated.

• 5:13Bunnie XO?

  It's disgusting.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple of years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like, I felt like, am I gonna have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I gonna have to like, come back in another lifetime and have to like, do you know, work through all the same shit again? And I actually had a medium say to me, she was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.

• 5:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Okay, that made me feel so much better. Yeah, just validated everything. But anyway, so so I had a narcissistic dad growing up, and then parents divorce, stepfamilies, some sexual trauma with a couple of different guys in my life, and just, you know, just like, one thing after another.

• 6:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of, any kind of connection, an outlet as well. So that was why I kind of, you know, went down the path that I did.

• 6:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you, I wonder what your moon sign is?

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Well, okay, I don't know which one is moon and which one is, what's the other one?

• 6:31Bunnie XO?

  Venus.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  There's Venus. So I'm cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.

• 6:36Bunnie XO?

  I could see you being an Aries moon, because I'm an Aries moon.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:39Bunnie XO?

  So you might have, I don't know, we'll do your chart. I'll do, I'll have to text you. I'll get your number and we'll, or we can do it on the podcast. I don't even care.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 6:46Bunnie XO?

  Do you, Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Well, yeah, will you look it up?

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Oh, fine.

• 6:50Bunnie XO?

  Just give.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  I was born. And I was born at I think. PM. The fact that I know that so easily.

• 7:00Bunnie XO?

  I was a fucking an AM baby and I I can I'm a night owl.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 7:06Bunnie XO?

  I can. Isn't that crazy? Like, I came in the world AM and you will never catch me up at 6:30 AM.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  That is hilarious. Yeah.

• 7:13Bunnie XO?

  Ever, dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy, though, that, like, so much happens in your early life and it's like you you don't know how to deal with it and you carry it so deeply. So it comes out in other ways, which was, of course, for you, was the partying and stuff like that.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is like my favorite conversation.

• 7:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  You know, because I just think, and I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are.

• 7:45Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically, is like having to like, figure it out.

• 7:49Bunnie XO?

  Breaking generational classes. Literally, that's me, too. Same.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  And finally, I'm about to turn 38 and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it.

• 7:59Bunnie XO?

  I'm so glad you got a hold of it early because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like it like it's like you can be so strong your entire life and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fucking hits you like a brick wall.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:18Bunnie XO?

  So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  I mean, I've always said, I feel like the first, the first half of my life was just like thing after thing. Just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half, second half of my life up to just be fucking chill.

• 8:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Just like, relax and be able to just enjoy my life.

• 8:40Bunnie XO?

  Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna Beach in the hills?

• 8:47Speaker 03

  I think it definitely played a role and I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation and it was like sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this like take no shit attitude. But I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination, yeah, is what made me this like, you know, fucking firecracker.

• 9:15Bunnie XO?

  I love that, though, and that's what you were known for. And that's literally why people fell in love with you. Because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of like, strong personalities like that on TV.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Kristen wasn't the villain. I was like, fuck, 20 years later, I'll take it.

• 9:35Bunnie XO?

  I, you know, and I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way. And I was just like, I don't know, like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me, but you always came across as authentic.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 9:48Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back? Do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Hundred percent. And I think that was the thing Laguna Beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all, we have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people, because I do have a very soft side too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, that, you know, take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing, yes, I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Stephen and I actually did a Back to the Beach podcast. It was a rewatch podcast and we went back and it was the first time I had seen it and since it aired.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard and I thought it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody, I was like, oh no, they fucked with everyone. Like they did, what they did to me, they did to every single cast member, even, you know, Lauren. They only showed one side of her personality too. Stephen, the same thing. And so I walked away from that being like, it just, it was what it was. And I was so mad about it for so long, but it was a nice way to kind of like wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like it happened to us all.

• 11:10Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's, that's actually a really cool perspective though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimize themselves. And you were like, no, actually they did it to everybody. So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Nothing, nothing.

• 11:25Bunnie XO?

  I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like you signed your life and rights away as a human. And what they wanted to present you as was what you were going to be known as.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  I know because you know, it was one of the first reality shows. So we didn't know what we were signing up for.

• 11:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  And you know, even things like they would have us just record wild lines, just lines and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing because we're like, well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it on into a microphone. So you're clearly going to use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree.

• 12:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  But until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on.

• 12:05Bunnie XO?

  And you guys were kids.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  I was 17.

• 12:07Bunnie XO?

  Did your guys' parents have any say so in any of that?

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time, so it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it. So yeah. I know.

• 12:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, but you know what? Look at where you are now.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy. My mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was, it was hard to deal with at that age just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know? And then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend, it just gets really, just really messy, quite honestly. So.

• 12:41Bunnie XO?

  Was it, how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like, or was it?

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:50Bunnie XO?

  Genuine.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  Well, so Laguna Beach was more put us in situations and then kind of see what happens, knowing that a particular situation is going to probably press my buttons. Or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with, kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house, even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is going to piss us off.

• 13:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  But um, I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show. Even if you have cameras on you 24/7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42 episode or whatever it is.

• 13:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, 30 minute episodes for.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100% real. You just, there's no way to capture.

• 13:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  All of that.

• 13:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Um, we have your birth chart right here.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:43Bunnie XO?

  So you are a Capricorn sun, you're an Aries moon, because I can see.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Oh, you were right.

• 13:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, totally. And you're a Capricorn rising, so your Mercury is Capricorn, wait, yep, Capricorn.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Why did I think I had cancer?

• 13:55Bunnie XO?

  Your Venus is Scorpio, ooh, so you're a lover.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 13:59Bunnie XO?

  You're a lover, baby.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Where the hell did I get cancer from?

• 14:03Bunnie XO?

  You got a lot of Cap, you have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one, two, three, does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn, yeah, so that's a stellium.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 14:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so you're a hardcore Cap, baby.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could have told you that.

• 14:18Bunnie XO?

  But I could see the Aries moon in you, because I'm an Aries moon too, and we're just so fiery.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Yes, okay, so the Aries is the fiery.

• 14:24Bunnie XO?

  Well, and Cap too.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:26Bunnie XO?

  Cap is Earth, but also the Aries part of it too is just, it all, I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Okay, I love this.

• 14:34Bunnie XO?

  Super into that, but I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like, it's a love language.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Totally, I believe in all this stuff, I love it.

• 14:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, do you?

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:44Bunnie XO?

  We'll have to, I'll have to start sending you stuff, because I'm totally into that. So, moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?

• 14:53Speaker 03

  I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody, and the rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun. And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall, and so I can't, I can't wait.

• 15:06Bunnie XO?

  Are you excited?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 15:08Bunnie XO?

  You're gonna be like the hottest one there, going back there.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  I don't know, everyone in Laguna Beach still looks really good, there's something in the water.

• 15:14Bunnie XO?

  I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  It's true, that sunshine, baby, I do think it's good for you.

• 15:20Bunnie XO?

  I'm from Vegas, and we were always in Cali, like we, Vegas girls and Cali girls kind of like, we all just.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Well, that's like, we were always in Vegas, because it's so easy. We would, we'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas, fuck it.

• 15:32Bunnie XO?

  Half hour flight.

• 15:33Speaker 03

  Oh my God, it's so easy.

• 15:34Bunnie XO?

  You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight?

• 15:39Bunnie XO?

  Bro, being locked on a plane.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  We would drive too.

• 15:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I couldn't do it.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  We'd be like, let's just fucking drive.

• 15:45Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, three hours, I couldn't do it, three and a half hours locked in a car.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Oh, train wreck, yeah.

• 15:50Bunnie XO?

  Fucking cracked out of my mind, there's no, I've done it, but there's just, I could, now, I could never.

• 15:55Speaker 03

  But never.

• 15:56Bunnie XO?

  No way.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  No.

• 15:58Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 16:00Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I look back, we just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 16:09Bunnie XO?

  Girl, where are my eyebrows?

• 16:10Speaker 03

  I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows and had fucked them up forever now.

• 16:16Bunnie XO?

  I had to, you can see, no, your eyebrows look fucking good.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Well, they're fitted.

• 16:19Bunnie XO?

  Mine are too, but yours like, like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Okay, you know what I'm gonna tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on them?

• 16:27Bunnie XO?

  I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  I put it in my belly button too.

• 16:33Bunnie XO?

  I can't do it. It made me feel weird, so I get scared now. I'm so sensitive.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Dude, I rub it all over my stomach.

• 16:39Bunnie XO?

  And it works for you? Do you love it?

• 16:40Speaker 03

  And I put it on my face too.

• 16:42Bunnie XO?

  I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me, I woke up the next day, I'm such a sensitive like girly now because of all the fucking shit I did in my past.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 16:53Bunnie XO?

  So like now I can't, it's like I used to fucking snort eight balls and now I can't even use castor oil.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Right?

• 16:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  It is fucked up.

• 17:00Bunnie XO?

  No, it's fucking, it's bullshit dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs. How did you take, so you did Laguna Beach, you did the hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV? Or was that more of like your exit out?

• 17:16Speaker 03

  I was like, get me the fuck out. And I think more than reality TV, just living in LA and feeling like I was, my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.

• 17:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And you know, this is before social media, so the tabloid world was just ruthless.

• 17:43Bunnie XO?

  It was so bad back then.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  It was really bad. And I was on the cover of fucking every magazine, it seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do. Or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just, I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of LA.

• 17:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  It wasn't even so much like, It wasn't even, I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality TV, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex-husband a month after we wrapped The Hills.

• 18:12Bunnie XO?

  Oh wow, so Jay came in that?

• 18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:15Bunnie XO?

  Are we allowed to say his name?

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah, I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped The Hills, and it just sort of naturally got me out of LA, which was great.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's how it was with Jay. When I met my Jay was, literally, it got me out of Vegas. If I would've stayed in Vegas, I would've killed myself.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Right? That's how I felt like in LA.

• 18:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how, you know, when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.

• 18:40Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. All you gotta do is ask, and the universe will grab it.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 18:43Bunnie XO?

  So, you meet Jay. How, tell, take me on that journey with you guys' relationship.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  So, Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist, and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I Googled him, and I was like, I mean, I don't, I was like, whatever, I don't know.

• 19:03Bunnie XO?

  I didn't know who Jay was till he was on your show.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 19:07Bunnie XO?

  I knew who you were, I didn't know who Jay was.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I said no. So, okay, fine. So, a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there, and I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin, who was Bears-obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out, and my mom brought it up. And my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay's the man. You gotta go out with him. So, I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in, and I was like, oh shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And

• 19:41Bunnie XO?

  When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Well, it was through my publicist.

• 19:44Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  So, it was never, we never had any interaction.

• 19:47Bunnie XO?

  Got you.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  So, he walked in, he was really cute, he was very smart, because he kinda like won my mom over, was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car, and then he texted me immediately, and he was like, something about like, well, you gotta come back, or something. And then I think I came back like a week later, and then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.

• 20:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love relationships like that, though.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:11Bunnie XO?

  You know, granted, you know, you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time, that moment in time was what you needed, and it was like magical.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he was, he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23, I think. I was a baby, you know, like hindsight is 2020. I don't regret a damn thing though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship and ultimately not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee and you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.

• 20:48Bunnie XO?

  What do you, what would you say was kind of, I don't want to use the word downfall because that's heavy, but what, what do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Um, so Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think, um, I'm really careful about what I say, obviously because we have three kids together.

• 21:15Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  But I think-

• 21:16Bunnie XO?

  And we can always cut things out.

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, I just, I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've like, I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about it, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just, I'm trying to think about like, the best way to say it because you know, I think, um, it, things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first. And especially as a mom and having these three little kids, I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Um, especially now having a daughter too. I think that's so important.

• 22:05Bunnie XO?

  It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more fucking trauma for the kids.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  1,000%.

• 22:14Bunnie XO?

  Than just seeing healthy co-parenting.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable.

• 22:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just- If you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids and you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids, it's just such a negative, toxic environment.

• 22:37Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was, but like, I was a shell of who I was and immediately I got my spark back.

• 22:49Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:51Bunnie XO?

  When you say that it was bad, was it just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?

• 22:58Speaker 03

  It was just, it was toxic, you know? And I think because I hadn't done the work with, on myself and-

• 23:04Bunnie XO?

  You were a baby too.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  I was a fucking baby, like, I didn't know any better.

• 23:07Bunnie XO?

  How old was he when you guys got together?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  He was, um, I think he had, I think he was 28, 27 or 28.

• 23:14Bunnie XO?

  So you guys were both young.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  We were both young.

• 23:17Bunnie XO?

  That's young love. I feel like the first, like, the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something like, is like toxic, you know?

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 23:25Bunnie XO?

  You guys don't know how to fucking navigate life. I know how I was a fucking 23, I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life, because I was just a shit show.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.

• 23:40Bunnie XO?

  I agree.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  You shouldn't be allowed to. You don't know who the fuck you are at that age.

• 23:43Bunnie XO?

  Bro, I swear, I 100% agree.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  I know it. But, yeah, but so, the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know, and because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know? I ended up marrying my dad. And so, it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is, which is what I did. So when we got a divorce, for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's, I've really taken the time to like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake.

• 24:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  I don't want the same mistake, that's not the right word, but I don't want to be repeating that pattern.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:19Bunnie XO?

  For sure. And they do always say that if, unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies, until you learn that lesson.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Over and over again.

• 24:28Bunnie XO?

  Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavalry, because when did Very Cavalry come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?

• 24:38Speaker 03

  I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavalry must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020. So yeah, yeah, 2017.

• 24:52Bunnie XO?

  How did Uncommon James come about?

• 24:55Speaker 03

  So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that?

• 24:58Bunnie XO?

  I do. I loved all their shoes.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  My, my brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own. And I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I, um, well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, while I had final say, I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well-established company. And I learned to trust my gut. I, I knew my customer. And so I had this fire in me of like, I'm going to show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay-at-home mom. Like I did little things.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  I would host these big award shows, these pre-shows for E on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay-at-home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.

• 25:56Bunnie XO?

  And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:59Bunnie XO?

  You know, because you've grown, you've had a baby by now, you're married. It's like.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  I wanted my own thing. Yeah. And so I launched it and then I knew, because you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna Beach and the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E and they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then, and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And, and I did it.

• 26:35Bunnie XO?

  One of your friends being Kelly?

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Yes. And we, yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she, um, or so, so we, we did the show and it. Honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing Very Cavalry. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was, that aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career. Just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.

• 27:16Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?

• 27:19Speaker 03

  I was able to get shit taken out. I was, I mean, like, yeah.

• 27:23Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  It could have been way better.

• 27:29Bunnie XO?

  I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fucking job.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  I think, I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like, I mean, and there were definitely, Jay was very funny on the show.

• 27:39Bunnie XO?

  Well, he was, he was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited out. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break. But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know? Or like had this great relationship.

• 28:01Bunnie XO?

  You could pick up on the tension though. You could feel it.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  I think you could too. Like now, obviously we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they tried to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.

• 28:13Bunnie XO?

  You don't have a good, I'm, you're, I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face. If you're pissed off.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real.

• 28:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there was a couple of times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like you could feel the energy on it. Cause I, I watched Very Cavalry too.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I, the whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like, well, that was a distraction probably also, you know? At that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.

• 28:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  That I was, it was all a distraction.

• 28:43Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?

• 28:49Speaker 03

  No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level and it just, it set Uncommon James up honestly to something I never even could have imagined. And so, and still, I mean, we continue to grow and, and I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do. So, no.

• 29:13Bunnie XO?

  No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news?

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, all press is good press.

• 29:19Bunnie XO?

  Exactly.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Like, fuck it. Which sometimes is hard to, hard to wrap my head around, but yeah.

• 29:23Bunnie XO?

  We're learning, yeah, we're learning that now. We're new into the, the fame thing. So there's a couple, like, we go viral for some things that we've said in like 2020 and it's like, we're not even, we're not even those fucking people anymore.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 29:35Bunnie XO?

  You're like, let us grow, let us grow. But the internet, well, man, that will just hold you to who you were at that moment in time.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  They hold on to everything.

• 29:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And they like to bring it back and rerun it. And you're just like, what is fucking happening?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  God, I know. Like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.

• 29:51Bunnie XO?

  Literally, let's, let's shake those skeletons.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Let's go there.

• 29:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry? And you have clothes too, correct?

• 30:01Speaker 03

  So we do, we're primarily jewelry and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch, like, we've got sweats and t-shirts and shit. Yeah, but I wouldn't say we do clothing. But so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So I mean, you know, like during COVID, it was like, I was doing a collection about adventure, like when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like what we would be doing, like a daydreaming collection. I was in Greece this past summer and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.

• 30:32Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:36Bunnie XO?

  You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here. And oh, I did this when I was with this person. And like, yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Well, and so my daughter is a sailor. She has a collection coming out in, I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so like, and that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So yeah, it is, it is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of like, yeah, what, where I was at in my life. It is fun.

• 31:02Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:03Bunnie XO?

  Moving on to the very Cavallari drama that had happened, you had your best friend, Kelly Henderson, on the show. You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?

• 31:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, we had known each other. Well, actually, we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple of years later. But yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.

• 31:24Bunnie XO?

  What happened on the show? Was that, was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?

• 31:31Speaker 03

  No, that was real. So, so what happened was, um, so I think it was season two. People started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.

• 31:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 31:44Speaker 03

  And I actually was completely oblivious to any, any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And like really starting to pay attention to it. And I was like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I, I stand by that. I don't, I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel. I would go, holy shit, that was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  And this is relationships too. But when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in, in your face, like I don't, I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like a huge thing for me moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge.

• 32:47Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 32:47Speaker 03

  And it's really hard for a lot of people.

• 32:49Bunnie XO?

  Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Clip that.

• 32:53Bunnie XO?

  That's a good one.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  That is a good one. But it's, I just, I'm at a point in my life where, because there's no, I can't do anything with that then, right? Like this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well, then I don't, I can't move on.

• 33:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  So, um, that's basically what happened.

• 33:40Bunnie XO?

  So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought like this is possibly true. Like where does a rumor like that come around from?

• 33:49Speaker 03

  Well, it was because of how she was with him. She definitely, uh, she was crossing the line and and then like the way she would talk about him on social media. It was just, it was always adding fuel to it where I was like, wait, what the fuck is actually going on? But no, I really, I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think if a guy is trashing a girl, it's because there's

• 34:18Bunnie XO?

  100%

• 34:18Speaker 03

  probably something going on. Um, and I did

• 34:21Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever confront him? Like, hey, is this really going on?

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, he walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing, but you know, uh, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know. And I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? It's, I'm, I'm over it now and I can, that's why I can probably talk about it so freely, but

• 34:48Bunnie XO?

  Such an amazing, uh, thing for you to say though, that you can talk about it freely now because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Oh, well, and a lot of times you won't. I never did. And I never will.

• 35:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  But you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation may be, that's because they're hurt.

• 35:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like it's, it's not about me. So I, I forgive

• 35:27Bunnie XO?

  Big of you.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Kelly, I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like I just, anyone in my life, my dad even, I've, I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.

• 35:43Bunnie XO?

  If Kelly, has Kelly tried to apologize to you?

• 35:46Speaker 03

  No. And in fact, I saw her one time at the airport and she fucking bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, like, I don't hold grudges. But that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that. So.

• 35:59Bunnie XO?

  That's, that's rough, man. Because it, it, it also, at the same time, makes her look really guilty. Like, of something, like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore. Like, let's never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Girl code. Like, what? That is like, I can't even wrap my head around that. Yeah.

• 36:20Bunnie XO?

  So, you're, you are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last hurrah with reality TV, as you said. And then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?

• 36:34Speaker 03

  I've seen her. Yeah, we're, we're totally cool.

• 36:36Bunnie XO?

  You guys are good now? Okay, because I remember that was a whole thing, too.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:39Bunnie XO?

  Um, you're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What, how are you feeling in that moment? Like?

• 36:48Speaker 03

  Oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.

• 36:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  I mean, it was everything from such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe.

• 37:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  To being so fucking devastated that I, that I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously, coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So, and, and I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that. I got really sad Christmas Eve because I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all, but it's that, that family unit, you know? That bums me out sometimes.

• 37:31Bunnie XO?

  Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together eventually? How are you guys co-parenting right now?

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Um, it's, it's been so up and down.

• 37:40Bunnie XO?

  Well, I should, not shocking, because, I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.

• 37:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you poor baby.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not been easy, to say the least. Um, you know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year, and I was like, holy fuck. This is the best thing that's ever happened.

• 38:02Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I'll fucking take it, the bare minimum.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, we made it. Wow, we can sit next to each other. Um, and we haven't sat together since, so I'm fucking up.

• 38:12Bunnie XO?

  Jay, come on, baby.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 38:14Bunnie XO?

  Let's get it together.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  It's a, it's a bumpy road. So I'm gonna say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. And to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's, you know, it's just, um, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's gonna make them stronger. Like there's, I could list a thousand things of why it's positive. But I do have those moments. But, um,

• 38:47Bunnie XO?

  In that moment, uh, you know, going through the divorce, just wrapping a reality show, like, how are you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  That was easy for me. I was like riding a bike.

• 38:59Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Well, you know what it was? I think so. I actually immediately started dating someone and then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year, I was like, woo, having fun. I'm free. I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back, like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple of dates. Um, yeah, we went on a couple of dates, trying to see if like, cause ah, man, it's fucking hard. And then I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can like,

• 39:37Bunnie XO?

  A trauma bond, almost.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  It's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that, I would go back a couple of times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? So we did, we went on a couple of dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Um, then I really did the work. And then it like, I had lonely times. I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.

• 40:06Bunnie XO?

  Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew, like you get the ick so easy.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  So easy, which is a good thing, you know? Um, but yeah, then I, then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.

• 40:21Bunnie XO?

  What's a wellness like ritual that you do for yourself, like to ground yourself?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  I mean, I really do love meditating.

• 40:28Bunnie XO?

  Me too.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.

• 40:33Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing sauna.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yes. Do you meditate in the sauna?

• 40:37Bunnie XO?

  That's my new thing.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  That's what I do.

• 40:38Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing it.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 40:40Bunnie XO?

  It's the best because you can't take your phone in there.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 40:42Bunnie XO?

  Like I just set mine outside and I just kind of like sit in there for a half hour and just zone out.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 40:48Bunnie XO?

  And you feel so good after you do it.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Well, they say it literally changes your vibration, like it literally, you know, yeah, so I do love it. What else do I do? I actually have these oracle cards too. I like pulling oracle cards.

• 41:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that for you.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  It's just kind of fun. I got tarot cards too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.

• 41:06Bunnie XO?

  You're like our little gypsy over there.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Like reading them for all my friends.

• 41:10Bunnie XO?

  I would let you read my tarot cards.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  I would love to read your tarot cards.

• 41:13Bunnie XO?

  Dude, let's do it. We'll have to do that. Like I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.

• 41:19Bunnie XO?

  So you've written books, you've built businesses and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?

• 41:27Speaker 03

  I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly, like period. It's that simple, but I think.

• 41:35Bunnie XO?

  There's no, there's no, peace is priceless.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  That's the thing. And I think, you know, what we were talking about earlier, like when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much. And I've, I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of like curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, the, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James, everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that for me is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.

• 42:09Bunnie XO?

  You're like a phoenix that rose after that, you know, that rises through the ashes.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Phoenix rising. Yeah. Thanks. That's how I feel.

• 42:16Bunnie XO?

  No, listen, girl, you're a warrior and you know, real recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much like just tragedy and bullshit in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like you can ask my girls, I don't fucking even want, if it's not fucking me feeding me or financing me, I don't fucking care.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Amen, baby.

• 42:36Bunnie XO?

  About what the fuck has you got going on? You want to come to me with some bullshit? Take it elsewhere. I do not care.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  No time for that.

• 42:43Bunnie XO?

  So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  I love that little smile on your face.

• 42:53Bunnie XO?

  Cause you already know what's coming, baby.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Let's go, let's go.

• 42:57Bunnie XO?

  So was one of those men happened to be Morgan Wallen?

• 43:00Speaker 03

  How did I know?

• 43:03Bunnie XO?

  Because you dropped a bomb and the entire internet went insane. What was your, was your friend Justin Anderson?

• 43:10Speaker 03

  Our suspect video.

• 43:11Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 43:14Bunnie XO?

  Can we elaborate on this? Because you know, and I have to, I have to navigate this.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, you guys know Morgan?

• 43:21Bunnie XO?

  Well, see, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends and they love, my husband is like, that's my bubba.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  He's a good, yeah. And he, Morgan's a good guy. I do, he has a big heart. He really does.

• 43:35Bunnie XO?

  He's a playa from the Himalayas.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Thousand percent.

• 43:37Bunnie XO?

  The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  He's been with every woman on the planet. So that, and that was the thing.

• 43:44Bunnie XO?

  He should, he's single.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, he absolutely should. I mean, yeah, yes. I definitely hung out with Morgan. Morgan is, he's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman. And he was like, I'll pick you up. I'll pick the place. Like just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited.

• 44:09Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  It was so cute. We, he got us a private room. You know, he had like his bodyguard and whatnot and dropped me off. He kissed me in the rain and it was like the sweetest thing. And then we hung out thereafter and it was, I will say, it was a very,

• 44:26Speaker 03

  that was up and down too. It was just like, it was a lot. Yeah.

• 44:32Bunnie XO?

  They always say you'll find the same person in different bodies.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  So that's true. But yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year. But I, I have nothing but good things to say about him.

• 44:43Bunnie XO?

  Was he romantic?

• 44:50Bunnie XO?

  I've heard he's great in bed.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  He was good in bed.

• 44:54Bunnie XO?

  We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay brother, slay. And we are in no way.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  God.

• 45:03Bunnie XO?

  You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up Jay like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Only for you, buddy. Only for you.

• 45:10Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate it. So, but you did say, and I do, I, we have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Justin said that. Yeah.

• 45:19Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Justin said that.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Justin said that. So, Morgan, so, okay. Oh, God. I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. It's more, I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't like, just completely enamored with me. And I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw me.

• 45:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, because you're used to people like worshiping.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  I'm used to guys being like crazy where I'm like, eh, whatever.

• 45:49Bunnie XO?

  Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Exactly. Exactly. He was busy. And so, um, yeah.

• 45:58Bunnie XO?

  Allegedly.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Allegedly. But yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy when it's just like?

• 46:07Bunnie XO?

  It's trying to get the approval of your father.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand. And I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.

• 46:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Never did. I will say, I walked away from him a couple of times and I was ultimately the one that ended it, but I never felt like I like, had him, you know? And yeah, the only time in my life. So it really fucked with me.

• 46:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 46:33Bunnie XO?

  Lives up to it. I mean,

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:34Bunnie XO?

  The dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't, I don't wanna be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't wanna be with Morgan.

• 46:44Bunnie XO?

  I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for like, finding your true love.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:49Bunnie XO?

  He's like the bad boy that you wanna play with. And then you just, you tuck him away and you put him in the past when you find the man that you love.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kinda just want a fuck buddy in Nashville.

• 46:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  That's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that, but it was just like.

• 47:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people's fuck buddies.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  A great fuck buddy. The problem is honestly, he was on tour. He's so busy.

• 47:11Bunnie XO?

  He's losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him too.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  Even I do. And I'm like, God.

• 47:18Bunnie XO?

  Morgan has needs a support group.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  No, literally, because everyone's heart is broken.

• 47:23Bunnie XO?

  I know. Morgan, you're out here breaking people's hearts, man.

• 47:27Speaker 03

  Morgan, but he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the fuck am I like, what are we doing? This is silly. So.

• 47:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, just a stepping stone.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  He's and he was fun. Like, we had a good time. And so, you know, all good, all good.

• 47:39Bunnie XO?

  Jason Statham.

• 47:41Speaker 03

  Statham.

• 47:42Bunnie XO?

  Statham. How do I put it? Jason Statham.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  Jason Statham.

• 47:45Bunnie XO?

  Where? How? That doesn't even seem like your type.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, when I was, how old was I? I was probably like 21.

• 47:54Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Um, oh, he, I loved him.

• 47:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  I mean, not really, but I know he, um, yeah, we were really good friends.

• 48:03Bunnie XO?

  Is he tiny?

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Um, he's smaller than you would think.

• 48:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Like, they all are, though. You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this like macho, like.

• 48:11Bunnie XO?

  I feel like I'm bigger than every fucking person that I've seen on the big screen.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  I know.

• 48:15Bunnie XO?

  Every time I meet him, and you're tiny. You are so tiny.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  You, but no, you are, but yes.

• 48:20Bunnie XO?

  I'm a big back bitch and I'll take it.

• 48:23Bunnie XO?

  I identify as a big back bitch and listen.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Hardly.

• 48:28Bunnie XO?

  They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big back bitch. All right? No, stop it.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be. Ever.

• 48:37Bunnie XO?

  And they wear lifts.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  I know. Yeah. So.

• 48:39Bunnie XO?

  Did Jason wear lifts?

• 48:40Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 48:41Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  Well, maybe in the movies and shit. I don't know. But yeah, but no, but Jason is a, he's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.

• 48:48Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys actually like date date or was it just more like a?

• 48:50Speaker 03

  A little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit. Yeah. Um, no, he was, he was great. We had the same group of friends. So we started out as, as friends and then it just kind of escalated. But yeah, no, I, nothing but good things to say about Jason, too.

• 49:04Bunnie XO?

  How long was it?

• 49:05Speaker 03

  God, I don't even remember. I mean, we, because we were friends at first. Um, God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year, but not like hooking up and dating. Probably a couple of months that that was going on. But yeah.

• 49:18Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about your, because we're gonna, we're gonna hop off your dating for a second.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  She's like, whoo.

• 49:26Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's hop out of one frying pan into another.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Fuck, okay, let's go there.

• 49:35Bunnie XO?

  What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  I do their ads on my podcast too. And I'm like out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.

• 49:47Bunnie XO?

  Was asked too.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  Hey, if you want me to just keep talking shit, I will.

• 49:51Bunnie XO?

  I love it. So I love that. You know, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna fucking just sponsor the podcast.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  I know, I know.

• 49:59Bunnie XO?

  There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different, different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:06Bunnie XO?

  It comes to a point where it's like, some of it can't be made up.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is like really playing a role. And people are being held accountable on a big scale.

• 50:21Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  And I'm here for that. I fucking love that. And you know, mine really stems from, God, again, I mean, this is, I was probably like 22, 21 or 22. And well, I had known Scott Disick, same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.

• 50:38Bunnie XO?

  You were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?

• 50:40Speaker 03

  I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in LA. Yeah. So, yeah, it was all that, that group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.

• 50:52Bunnie XO?

  I could see you guys being like, you guys are kind of like the same personality.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up. And I was doing something in Vegas, actually. And I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came. Again, we were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney. And the next morning, we all went out. We had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.

• 51:15Bunnie XO?

  He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball. How many times?

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Well, exactly. I mean.

• 51:20Bunnie XO?

  Men are always like the victim.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Always the fucking victim. Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story. But so the next morning, it was on like page six or something that Scott and I had hooked up. And I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott. Who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous? Well, what do you know? That's in fact what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney, being like, Courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And. I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters and I would never put myself in that situation.

• 51:57Bunnie XO?

  Her sisters have allegedly been with.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Right?

• 52:01Bunnie XO?

  You know, like.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  I'm like, okay. And then, so they did end up getting back together and we, you know, we stopped talking. But, but I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And that was my issue too, because this was on the cover of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview, again, before social media, so it's not like you can go on and defend yourself.

• 52:24Bunnie XO?

  And like clear your name.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away. But they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off is like, they, I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.

• 52:41Bunnie XO?

  They don't really defend themselves either.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  I guess they kind of don't do that.

• 52:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Like, there's some times that there's accusations coming out about them and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up and they never say a fucking word.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier, they're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't, I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm like.

• 53:05Bunnie XO?

  Question your integrity.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.

• 53:09Bunnie XO?

  So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians, like nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick DMs me after fucking 15 years or something. It's like, I miss you. We should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.

• 53:41Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Thousand percent.

• 53:44Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 53:47Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he's such a loose, he's like a loose cannon.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, like. He is for sure, but I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of.

• 53:55Bunnie XO?

  They run them in in their lives, that's for sure.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, they do. Poor Rob.

• 53:59Bunnie XO?

  Poor Rob has like disappeared. He's in obscurity.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  I was on Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of, yeah. Where is Rob?

• 54:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  Is Rob okay?

• 54:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Rob, Rob, do the red, what is it? What is it? The Britney Spears does the Yellow Rose? Post a yellow rose if you need help.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 54:17Bunnie XO?

  Poor Rob.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  I know.

• 54:19Bunnie XO?

  All that estrogen too. It's gotta be just fucking insane.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:23Bunnie XO?

  So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think I feel like it's legit, like your feelings are hurt and Kourtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Well, and it's like, I honestly, I don't even really give a fuck, to be honest with you, but it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my DMs, I was like, oh, fuck off.

• 54:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But hey. You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking, I remember everything.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.

• 54:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon sometimes.

• 54:52Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast? So people want to listen to it.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Let's be honest. Um, yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. But it's, and it's a mix, you know, that's what I love is having creative freedom with, you know, Uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that. If one week I want to talk about, you know, fucking Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon.

• 55:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  You know, like I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.

• 55:19Bunnie XO?

  I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Thanks. Do you never do them?

• 55:23Bunnie XO?

  No, I haven't mastered that.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  You would be so good at that.

• 55:26Bunnie XO?

  I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.

• 55:31Bunnie XO?

  I'd just be sitting here talking. I would probably, they'd be like, by the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Cause she literally made herself laugh and she couldn't stop laughing and then she got pissed off. Like what just happened? Like.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  It is, it's weird.

• 55:43Bunnie XO?

  It might be bad for me.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird. But it's a, it's a muscle. You, you would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.

• 55:56Bunnie XO?

  I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristen told me to do it.

• 56:02Bunnie XO?

  So let's talk about the Montana boy.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay, because listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  You were so cute on TikTok.

• 56:10Bunnie XO?

  I was because I was like, let this fucking woman live, bro.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Thank you. I know.

• 56:16Bunnie XO?

  What was the age difference?

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Thirteen years.

• 56:18Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it's not terrible.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.

• 56:36Bunnie XO?

  But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it and they were the cutest thing ever.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  And there's so many people, talk about Jason Statham, I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like, I don't know, I think, so, okay, actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating, that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.

• 57:14Bunnie XO?

  Amen.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing.

• 57:19Bunnie XO?

  To see the reaction.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:21Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you, did you see him on TikTok and you were like, I want that one?

• 57:26Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, literally I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like a couple of months later, he DM'd me on Instagram. And I was like, what the fuck?

• 57:37Bunnie XO?

  You manifested that.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  I literally did. Yeah. And then, and then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.

• 57:48Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I mean, I just, I need to welcome home.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  I needed that fuck buddy. I was like, oh, this is not Morgan.

• 57:54Bunnie XO?

  And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's, it's gonna be good.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 57:59Bunnie XO?

  So how was you guys' relationship, if you could like sum it up in a nutshell?

• 58:03Speaker 03

  It was great, honestly. I mean, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I, you know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't, you know, it was like.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  It just, um, I felt the age difference. It's like, no, no shit, no shock. Like, of course. And I get that, you know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay, but we all knew it.

• 58:32Bunnie XO?

  Let me have fun.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  I was having fun.

• 58:34Bunnie XO?

  It was, it's called a fling for a reason.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and like, figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And that was really fun for me. It like, sort of.

• 59:01Bunnie XO?

  It was a distraction, too.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but you know, it's maybe selfish, looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him in a lot of ways. He just kind of fit into my life. And with where I'm at in my life, that was really, it was perfect.

• 59:19Bunnie XO?

  What you needed.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  It was what I needed. And, um, yeah, but Mark's a great guy and I have.

• 59:24Bunnie XO?

  I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 59:28Bunnie XO?

  That's Montana boy.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  The Montana boy.

• 59:30Bunnie XO?

  Anybody that talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.

• 59:35Bunnie XO?

  Did you, did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe, and this is not a diss to him at all. It's just, maybe this is too small for me because you know, you do have such a lore and like, you're an icon and not saying that he's, he, he won't be, but I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless TikTok videos.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's, I think it's a combination of, yeah, I mean.

• 59:56Bunnie XO?

  That's not me being mean. I'm just trying to keep it real. He's beautiful.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  I think, you know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience, coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.

• 1:00:09Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.

• 1:00:14Bunnie XO?

  They're just pretty to look at.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Which can go for a minute, you know, that'll get you through for a minute.

• 1:00:19Bunnie XO?

  No, I get it.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  Until it won't. And so, yes, I, um, I came out of it and was craving real, um, depth and emotional.

• 1:00:32Bunnie XO?

  Intimacy.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Intimacy.

• 1:00:35Bunnie XO?

  You know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. So now I'm like, really like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like,

• 1:00:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, teach me daddy.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, daddy.

• 1:00:46Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  But this, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's fun. Like all this whole journey that I'm on is really fun and it's the evolution of me. And I'm figuring it out. And I love that. Like I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck yeah, I dated a 24 year old.

• 1:01:01Bunnie XO?

  Was he ever insecure with like what he had going on and then what you had going on? Did that ever become an issue with you guys?

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think, um, but, um, no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like he was just like happy as.

• 1:01:23Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'm fucking Kristin Cavallari.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Very content.

• 1:01:26Bunnie XO?

  You can't tell me shit.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Kinda, you know, um, so no, I don't think that was an issue.

• 1:01:32Bunnie XO?

  Was he sad when you guys broke up?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard. And it, um, it crushed me quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so, yes. Um, and actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again. But I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad. And so.

• 1:01:57Bunnie XO?

  Cause he's so sweet.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  He's so sweet. He really is so sweet. And, um, yeah, so that's been, it's been hard for me to like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch too. And I think that probably makes it harder as well.

• 1:02:09Bunnie XO?

  Would you give it another old wraparound?

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:11Bunnie XO?

  Give it a old wraparound.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.

• 1:02:17Bunnie XO?

  Look at her, she's all flailing with her neck. She's all excited.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  No, I have to just close that door.

• 1:02:23Bunnie XO?

  She's like, no, I'm fucking healing. All right.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. We're in our healing process. No, I actually, I'm, um, I'm kind of dating someone else now.

• 1:02:31Bunnie XO?

  Can we know who it is?

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  I'm not going to say who it is and it's really new, but, um.

• 1:02:35Bunnie XO?

  Is he in the spotlight also?

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.

• 1:02:40Bunnie XO?

  You love the athletes.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Fuck, they love me, I think.

• 1:02:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  They, they always find me.

• 1:02:45Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  But he's.

• 1:02:47Bunnie XO?

  You're a wag.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy and he really, it's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, "Fuck, this is what I've been needing."

• 1:02:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  So we'll see, we'll see. He's coming in a couple of days to stay with me.

• 1:03:01Bunnie XO?

  Tell us who it is and we'll bleep the name out.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Uh, okay, bleep it out.

• 1:03:06Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I don't know who it is.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he wasn't like a big, well, I don't know, I don't know, because I don't know athletes really that much. But, um, yeah, he retired a couple of years ago and he has so much depth and I just like love talking to him. He's 40.

• 1:03:19Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, he has kids. So yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.

• 1:03:25Bunnie XO?

  Is he cute?

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  He's cute.

• 1:03:26Bunnie XO?

  Mimi's over there.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  I'm gonna show you. Yes, but let me show you like real photos of him, not like fucking sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their like,

• 1:03:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Their photos online. I'm always like, get them in like real, real life and they're so much better.

• 1:03:43Bunnie XO?

  No, that's how I felt about, what was that one Raiders, the fire crotch?

• 1:03:48Bunnie XO?

  He was so damn fine. I even told my husband, I think his last, Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new, my, I texted my husband, I go, my new favorite number is I think 98. And that was his number and he goes, "Oh, you're Max Crosby, girl."

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  He knew.

• 1:04:02Bunnie XO?

  He knew. I love it. My husband was like, "Go baby, go."

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like the fact that you can say that to him, I feel like all my ex-boyfriends would be like, "What? Oh my God, are you gonna leave me for him?" You know what I mean? Like that energy.

• 1:04:17Bunnie XO?

  And yep, I've been in relationships like that and I refuse.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  I won't do it again.

• 1:04:21Bunnie XO?

  It took me a long time when I got with Jay, um, to really understand the, the non jealousy because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, "Do you not love me? Like, why aren't you like fighting for me, fight over me?" You know? But I realized that's the toxicity in me,

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:04:41Bunnie XO?

  That wanted that in him and he'd never, he never arose to that occasion.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:04:46Bunnie XO?

  And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Like I'll never do that again.

• 1:04:51Bunnie XO?

  Never, never, ever.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  I love that for you. That's so nice.

• 1:04:54Bunnie XO?

  You're, you're gonna find it too.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:04:56Bunnie XO?

  You're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how fucking special you are.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:05:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:05:04Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just rea- like you just recently started talking about it?

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't talked about it because honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, fuck, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my, he's on, he has all the things, you know? My boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I was like, all right, hopefully, hopefully he dodged that bullet.

• 1:05:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we won't clip this.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't clip this.

• 1:05:32Bunnie XO?

  We won't.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  So it was actually, it was during 2020. So we were in the Bahamas for spring break. And we ended up being there for a month because it was when COVID hit. And I had all my uncommon James jewelry like laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our HVAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it. And okay. So Camden, my oldest and I, who this is almost five years ago. So he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot, but um, he was sleeping with me that night. So we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to, the door was opening and the light from the kitchen woke me up.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  And I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay. And thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing?

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  And so this guy is like, oh, fuck, stands up, runs out. And I was like, holy fuck. He had a ski mask on, long black sleeves, black pants, like the whole nine.

• 1:06:34Bunnie XO?

  Like while you're sleeping?

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Sleeping with my fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck, but I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in. But I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. And I have no idea where he is, or where Jay is, or the kids, or whatever. So. I grabbed my phone. I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response because it's like 1 a.m. So I'm like, fuck, I go out in the house and I'm just like looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up Jay, I got really nervous. Like before that, I was like a fucking Navy SEAL, just like going like

• 1:07:12Bunnie XO?

  Mama bear mode.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was like shaking and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the HVAC unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.

• 1:07:27Bunnie XO?

  And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:07:29Bunnie XO?

  Not doing it.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.

• 1:07:34Bunnie XO?

  Bitch, bitch is like YOLO.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Can't scare me, bitch.

• 1:07:38Bunnie XO?

  I love that though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:07:42Bunnie XO?

  Face your fears. Yeah.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  You know, yeah. And I so that's like one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older. But unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.

• 1:07:50Bunnie XO?

  But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because like that's, that's scary. You have fucking PTSD from that.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  I know. I'll tell you what. I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared. Living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood, you know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like 20 minutes from here, in the middle of nowhere, I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.

• 1:08:13Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  Like so safe. Again, it's just at peace.

• 1:08:16Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel I've got German Shepherds. I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like, I just

• 1:08:22Bunnie XO?

  She said, bitch, I'm strapped with dogs.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Don't, don't get it twisted. But I just, yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.

• 1:08:29Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:08:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a good feeling.

• 1:08:30Bunnie XO?

  What does 2025 have in store for you?

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a headspace of just like letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals, you know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like there are really fun things happening. But I'm just kind of like letting it all happen.

• 1:08:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  So I don't, I don't know.

• 1:08:57Bunnie XO?

  Whatever, whatever happens, happens.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:00Bunnie XO?

  Just letting the universe just come to you freely.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:09:04Bunnie XO?

  I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Thank you. Appreciate that.

• 1:09:12Bunnie XO?

  A lot of people don't figure it out and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, Wallen and self pity and you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take accountability and I'm moving the fuck on.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know? So yeah, you gotta take, take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.

• 1:09:36Bunnie XO?

  I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip for me and I never do that. It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. She was shook, but I wanna go, but I wanna go out of the country. And so like, this year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just wanna fucking kind of have fun this year.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:57Bunnie XO?

  I might even drink some alcohol, alright? And I've been sober since 2017, you know? So I'm like, look at Haley's, hey, I got, I drank a beer with Haley one night.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  Are you sober sober? Are you California sober?

• 1:10:07Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm sober sober.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 1:10:09Bunnie XO?

  I white knuckle through life, baby.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:10:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, it's brutal. It's brutal, but I had to, I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  No, I get it.

• 1:10:21Bunnie XO?

  When I hit 40, now I'm about to be 45, so I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Bunnie XO?

  Let me fucking just have fun.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should. Go have some fun.

• 1:10:30Bunnie XO?

  No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen, so.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it.

• 1:10:34Bunnie XO?

  Thank you for coming on the podcast.

• 1:10:36Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:10:37Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate you being here.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  I appreciate you so much.

• 1:10:39Bunnie XO?

  We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:10:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so you're, you're like our season finale, baby. Going out with a bang.

• 1:10:46Speaker 03

  Yes, well, thank you.

• 1:10:47Bunnie XO?

  Thank you. And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  So just Kristin Cavallari Instagram and TikTok and then Let's Be Honest, my podcast every Tuesday.

• 1:10:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did. Fucking 20, what is it in 2020? 2006?

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  2004.

• 1:11:05Bunnie XO?

  2004, god, fucking crazy.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  20 years.

• 1:11:08Bunnie XO?

  20 years ago.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's wild. It makes me feel old, but.

• 1:11:11Bunnie XO?

  Insane. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next season. Bye.