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0:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to this car pod.
0:07 Speaker 01 I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And it's time for the news. Let's start with Dodge. Yeah, Dodge's CEO said in an interview last week that he thought there was a market for an entry-level, sub-30K-ish sports car. He also said there was a market for a high-end sports car by Dodge. Right. Which we all could understand what that would be. Yeah. But. V10. Cheap Dodge sports car.
0:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I was surprised to see this. It was not a, it was, this isn't, this wasn't like a publicly announced thing. It was in an interview and he was like, "Oh, I can see a market for it." I can't. I think that Stellantis, though, is in a situation where they're kind of out from under old leadership and new leadership is trying to either win back old people or make a wave, make a splash.
0:50 Speaker 01 You know how a kid, home alone for the first time, just eats ice cream?
0:56 Speaker 01 The boring accountant parents are gone.
0:57 Doug DeMuro? The parents are gone.
0:59 Speaker 01 You want V8s again and you want.
1:01 Doug DeMuro? And last week we reported that they said V8s are coming back and today we're reporting this.
1:05 Speaker 01 There is a market.
1:06 Doug DeMuro? By the way, this is a concept car from Dodge, 2007 Dodge Demon. I think this could come today. And you know who would buy it? No one.
1:14 Speaker 01 There's kind of a market, right? There's not. Mazda has created a market.
1:19 Doug DeMuro? But the Miata has 35 years of reputation. It has tremendous dynamics, which I'm not sure Chrysler, and, and even then, the Miata sales are not what they used to be. And this current generation Miata has been on sale for 10 years.
1:34 Speaker 01 Excellent point.
1:34 Doug DeMuro? Without a redesign because it's not, probably not cost-effective to redesign.
1:38 Speaker 01 Excellent.
1:38 Doug DeMuro? Every other sports car that comes out is paired up.
1:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:42 Doug DeMuro? You know, the BRZ and the FRS and the, et cetera, et cetera. The Supra and the.
1:45 Speaker 01 Right. And the next Supra will apparently be a collaboration with Mazda, apparently.
1:50 Doug DeMuro? Ooh.
1:51 Speaker 01 Something.
1:51 Doug DeMuro? They should call Dodge. I hear Dodge is looking for a partner.
1:54 Speaker 01 They should call Dodge. I, I, I get why they're saying some of these things, right? If you're the CEO, like, you want to rebuild your brand with enthusiasts, especially because those are the publications that are covering you as a brand that only sells chargers.
2:06 Doug DeMuro? And so you want to kind of throw them a bone here and there. I also see why it could be successful, not in sales, but in imaging.
2:13 Speaker 02 Right.
2:13 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, but who buys that?
2:15 Speaker 02 It won't. That's the thing. It just wouldn't.
2:17 Doug DeMuro? Who want the the solstice in the sky that didn't sell well?
2:19 Speaker 02 No. I want Dodge to build one sports car, and you alluded to it before. It has a V10 and a manual, and it's named after another snake. That's what I want them to build.
2:28 Doug DeMuro? They tried, you know, and they they tried, you know, they they had that car and then they they canceled it. And then they brought it back and that that second time they tried to bring it, it didn't do well.
2:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:37 Doug DeMuro? And so I have a hard time believing, honestly, in this day and age that a man, like a sports car at this price point is like a really a big. I would like it to be, it'd be cool. I don't see the FRS as like a massive seller, whatever it's called now.
2:49 Speaker 02 You know what it sounds like to me? A great used car. That's what it sounds like. It doesn't sound like something that enthusiasts will want to buy new necessarily.
2:55 Doug DeMuro? Well, at that price point, I think it would, but I honestly have a hard time believing they could really actually hit that price point and still be profitable and still sell in any sort of volume. I mean, this is, you know, this is a company that's not exactly doing the best.
3:05 Speaker 02 Remember the Crossfire?
3:06 Doug DeMuro? We have a Crossfire parked behind the X3. Yeah, the Crossfire was relatively successful. The price point was considerably higher.
3:11 Speaker 02 Relatively successful?
3:12 Doug DeMuro? They sold, they they.
3:13 Speaker 02 They sold few?
3:14 Doug DeMuro? No, they sold a ton. I wrote it down. They they sold like a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand.
3:18 Speaker 02 All right, well, never mind.
3:19 Doug DeMuro? Remember, it was a global car.
3:20 Speaker 02 What?
3:20 Doug DeMuro? They sold them in Europe.
3:21 Speaker 02 Are you counting SLK production in there?
3:23 Doug DeMuro? It's gotten more insane. No, they sold the Crossfire globally. It was a global car. They were they were they were sold in Europe and everywhere.
3:29 Speaker 02 So could this then?
3:29 Doug DeMuro? Seventy-six thousand Crossfires.
3:31 Speaker 02 Over a decade?
3:32 Doug DeMuro? Over five years.
3:33 Speaker 02 Wow.
3:33 Doug DeMuro? Pretty good.
3:34 Speaker 02 So maybe there is a market. I.
3:36 Doug DeMuro? There are right-hand drive Crossfires.
3:38 Speaker 02 Some would argue that Dodge should build.
3:40 Doug DeMuro? There are right-hand drive SRT6 Crossfires.
3:42 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
3:43 Doug DeMuro? But only 284 of them.
3:46 Speaker 02 Some would argue that Dodge should build, I don't know, any cars? Any SUVs? Any, any, anything?
3:51 Doug DeMuro? Would make more sense to platform share and try to figure out better ways to do this.
3:55 Speaker 02 I'll take this.
3:56 Doug DeMuro? Maybe even merge with Mercedes-Benz. Uh, okay, give us our next news. Anyway, this is a possibility. We'll see what happens. I have a hard time believing it.
4:03 Speaker 02 As do I.
4:04 Doug DeMuro? Next story, Camaro, Chevy Camaro.
4:07 Speaker 02 An affordable small car.
4:08 Doug DeMuro? GM Authority, which is a authority on GM products, as it were. Reported, and I was reading between the lines on their reporting. The reporting is that the next. Generation Camaro is badly beaten, but not dead. However, when I read the quotes in the article, it sounds like it's dead. Their contract with the with the factory workers requires them to build a car in Canada. The it doesn't sound like it's gonna they they see a business case for the next generation. They have said that this generation, they have either said or leaked that this generation hasn't necessarily sold like they were hoping it would. We already are hearing Mustang sales are not really great. We heard yesterday Z sales are not really great. Or and amazing Dodge is sitting here going, yeah, right. Maybe we'll do two sports cars.
4:48 Speaker 01 Once again, FCA, maybe not the best business decisions.
4:52 Doug DeMuro? Uh, shame. It'd be a shame if it goes away. The Mustang became an electric crossover. Perhaps the Camaro will meet a similar fate. Would it be a shame if it left? Maybe not. I mean, the Camaro has we they've given us a great run with the current Camaro, which a scent which is which was has been redesigned, but the same basic shape since it came out in 09. And that was a great period, like 09 to now has been several amazing Camaro models, some amazing high performance versions.
5:17 Speaker 01 Fantastic powertrain.
5:19 Speaker 02 01 1LE is one of the most impressive cars.
5:21 Doug DeMuro? There have been some great cars to come out of this Camaro lineup. And and if the market doesn't want it right now, maybe it goes away and maybe it comes back at some point in the future like the Z always did. Um, be sad, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
5:33 Speaker 01 Are we worried about what's gonna happen to the like enthusiast class at Hertz? Or at Enterprise or at any rental car center? Because right now it's Mustangs and Camaro's exclusively.
5:41 Doug DeMuro? What is the problem?
5:41 Speaker 01 What do they go to?
5:42 Doug DeMuro? Mach-E. Still a Mustang. Got a sir, you get a Mustang.
5:45 Speaker 01 Brilliant.
5:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
5:46 Speaker 02 You love that. You love you love leaning into that Mustang Mach-E controversy.
5:51 Speaker 01 Maybe they'll sell they'll they'll rent out Dodge's $30,000 enthusiast car.
5:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:56 Doug DeMuro? Right. That's what it would be. Anyway, so we'll see on next gen Camaro, but I am not holding my breath on sports cars. It's actually funny because in the last couple pods, we've talked about how the EV is kind of not really as certain as it once was. And gas cars are making a comeback and V8s are making a comeback.
6:09 Speaker 02 But the gas cars that are sticking around aren't the ones we necessarily want.
6:12 Doug DeMuro? No.
6:12 Speaker 02 That's an interesting prediction.
6:14 Speaker 01 The second gen Camaro came out in 15.
6:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but the the redesigned retro one came out in 09.
6:20 Speaker 01 But that's what I was saying. 10 years.
6:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they got a long, long life out of it.
6:24 Speaker 01 It's a little dated, but I don't think a redesign would help.
6:27 Doug DeMuro? It's definitely time to think about the next thing, although the Challenger did well and it came out in 08.
6:33 Doug DeMuro? Here's a question. Why did they never do a convertible Challenger?
6:36 Speaker 02 I don't know. I've seen the conversions and they look
6:39 Doug DeMuro? The conversions look good. They did convertibles back in the day. It was obvious Ford and Chevy both had convertibles of their cars. The car then was in production for 16 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money.
6:49 Speaker 02 You know why? Because it's a purist precision.
6:53 Speaker 01 They didn't want the extra weight.
6:54 Doug DeMuro? Weight and the rigidity issue.
6:56 Speaker 02 No, that's right. Yeah. Structural rigidity.
6:58 Doug DeMuro? All right. Give us the next news story, please. Ooh Volkswagen.
7:01 Speaker 02 Uh, yes. So Volkswagen has said Volkswagen Audi both have said that like a lot of manufacturers we've discussed recently, they are going to be sticking with gasoline powered cars. Kill Supries.
7:11 Doug DeMuro? But what does that mean?
7:12 Speaker 02 It means, so it means that they're not, they're, they will be doing EVs, but they're kind of pushing a lot of that development down the road to release those models. They saw sales decreases of two points Volkswagen saw sales decreases of 2.7% last year. Audi was even more sharp. They declined by 7.8%. So they, they're feeling it too. That people just aren't buying.
7:30 Doug DeMuro? I remember when the federal government as a penalty made Volkswagen make electric cars.
7:35 Speaker 02 Yes.
7:35 Doug DeMuro? And electrify America.
7:36 Speaker 02 Buy the turntables.
7:37 Doug DeMuro? Cause they killed people and then, and then they, the government said, all right, you gotta make electric cars now.
7:43 Speaker 02 But sort of to work.
7:44 Doug DeMuro? That's how I remember it.
7:45 Speaker 02 That's, well, that's pretty much how it went. Uh, but to get around the, basically what they're doing is they're, they're going to be investing more money into facelifts of current models that exist. They're not going to be developing new internal combustion models necessarily, but they're going to kind of push this down the road a little bit and see what happens.
8:00 Doug DeMuro? It sounds like more of a wait and see plan than a we're sure what's gonna happen.
8:04 Speaker 02 And I think that.
8:05 Doug DeMuro? That's probably the right idea.
8:06 Speaker 02 I think that is the right idea, I suspect, because every, I mean, Lamborghini pushed, they said they're gonna, they pushed it down the road, but they did push it down the road. They, they know that's where it's going, but I think.
8:15 Doug DeMuro? And we all know that's coming. This is an ID.3?
8:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:19 Doug DeMuro? What a cool car.
8:19 Speaker 01 Here's the thing. Driving around Europe last summer, you see trillions of ID.3s, uh, some ID.4s, a bunch of ID. Buzzes, short ones, all with German plates. But nonetheless, like they've had success. This is a case where like Europe, which is where their base has adopted these cars pretty nicely, but nowhere else has. And in the US, they only sell the ID.4 and ID. Buzz. They said they're not bringing the ID.7 here.
8:41 Doug DeMuro? Asia doesn't buy these?
8:43 Speaker 01 Or not Volkswagen?
8:43 Doug DeMuro? Maybe through some joint partnership.
8:44 Speaker 02 You know, I gotta tell you, one of the comments we always get, we always get incredibly nasty comments whenever we talk about electric cars that were, don't they get that electric cars or they suck and we want gas. Let it, let the economy sort it out. Let capitalism sort it out is what they often say.
8:59 Speaker 02 If capitalism were to sort this out, China would win.
9:02 Doug DeMuro? China would just straight win. If we want China to win, then we go out and try to win. I mean, that's how we want it to be. I don't know. In my America, we try to win. I'm serious. Like, I'm not trying to beat Trump, but like, in my America, we win.
9:13 Speaker 01 In my America?
9:14 Doug DeMuro? The America that I've known and that I've seen over the last 200 years, like, you try to win. You try to be at the forefront of technology and everything else.
9:21 Speaker 01 Man, 200 years? Christ, you look good for 200 years.
9:23 Doug DeMuro? Heck, yeah. Heck, yeah. But the point I'm making is like, if we let capitalism sort this out, China wins this game, all these automakers, and by the way, isn't ID.4 is built in the States, right?
9:34 Speaker 01 ID.4 is built in the States.
9:35 Doug DeMuro? All these automakers are pulling out of these, pulling back on these EVs. If that's the way we want to go, then that's the way we want to go. But the Chinese EVs, I've driven them. They're way ahead. They're way ahead and they're way cheaper. And China's gonna walk around and start selling these cars in the other markets and start gobbling up market share in all those places, too. And pretty soon, our auto industry is gonna be Ford selling cars to Americans.
9:52 Speaker 01 Can we talk about how beautiful this photo is? There's two ID.3s.
9:55 Doug DeMuro? You're not gonna take this.
9:56 Speaker 01 There are no other electric cars in this shot.
9:58 Doug DeMuro? He's afraid of them.
9:58 Speaker 01 There's no other electric car in this shot whatsoever, except for these two, which is fascinating. People just further distance. They're gonna go from an EA888 to an EA4888, to just keep going with their engine name instructions.
10:10 Doug DeMuro? That's all he wants to do.
10:11 Speaker 01 That's all I want to talk about.
10:12 Doug DeMuro? I'm not wrong about this.
10:13 Speaker 01 No, you're not wrong about this.
10:16 Doug DeMuro? Come on, admit that, admit that there's an interesting story there, which is that if, if we continue to pull back on EVs, which is what's happening, and if we don't incentivize EVs, which might be the right move, it's certainly what the, what the consumers seem to want right now. But if we do that, China is not in that situation, and they are making these cars better and selling them better. And every week, we report on a new automaker that is pushing back their EV.
10:39 Speaker 01 I think the other thing that often gets missed in this is that we have, over the years, the US and Europe and other countries have heavily incentivized a lot of different things that we have kind of forgotten. The reason that diesels were so big in Europe is that diesel was heavily subsidized or incentivized, right? There were incentives to manufacturers building them. Diesel was a little bit subsidized by the US government or by the European government.
10:58 Doug DeMuro? But for many years, those were successful products that European companies built.
11:01 Speaker 01 But with some benefits. And when they were first starting, I'm quite confident the US government subsidized cars by building highways. There's a lot of things where we kind of accepted, accept it in retrospect, where now we're having that conversation with EVs. And looking back at it, will we think? If we keep going down that road of subsidizing them, I think we'll just view that as normal because it kind of is in the bigger scheme.
11:21 Doug DeMuro? Right.
11:21 Speaker 01 It's an interesting question.
11:22 Doug DeMuro? But if we don't, then EVs will probably walk away because because Americans are not particularly interested in them without subsidies. And then
11:29 Speaker 01 Maybe.
11:30 Doug DeMuro? And then
11:30 Speaker 01 Technology advances.
11:31 Doug DeMuro? You go to Mexico, you go to Latin America, the Chinese cars are already there, they're already selling them there, they're going to continue to, you go to, you go to Southern Europe, they're already there.
11:37 Speaker 01 Technology advances, though, on, on electric motors, on batteries, and that will also make an
11:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but the question is, will, will, when we eventually adopt it, when we have to, will China have already succeeded? Do you know what I'm saying?
11:49 Speaker 01 And they will have charging stations and better technology.
11:51 Doug DeMuro? Right.
11:51 Speaker 01 And yes, 100%.
11:52 Doug DeMuro? And that's the fear. That's the fear with, with walking this back, that's the fear with the government walking it back, and that's, that's why we can't just necessarily just let capitalism sort it out when we have the conversation. Because capitalism may sort it out in a way that is not favorable for us. And our government has, this isn't pure capitalism, our government has the ability to kind of put their finger on the scales of, of what actually
12:14 Speaker 01 This is not where I thought this conversation would go.
12:15 Doug DeMuro? I'm surprised to hear myself saying this too, but I've been thinking about this more and more over the last few weeks, and when you hear about, when I drive these Chinese cars, I'm astonished. They shouldn't have sent them to us. Now we know how good they are. Now we're like, crap, we gotta catch up.
12:27 Speaker 01 Maybe they're I mean, Ford CEO a few months ago had an interview where he said that he drove the Xiaomi SU7.
12:33 Doug DeMuro? He's been driving it around.
12:34 Speaker 01 And it's like, this is better than what we're building.
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13:40 Speaker 02 Yes, nice transition there, very smooth. Speaking of EVs, this is the BMW Neuer Klasse A4 or EV. What's interesting about this is that there is a
13:48 Doug DeMuro? Is it the trunk lid? Cause yeah.
13:50 Speaker 02 There's a video that
13:51 Doug DeMuro? It's got a horn.
13:52 Speaker 02 They proposed this shape earlier. It's not the first time we've seen it, but now it moves. It has actual engineering that has been done to make it a functional car.
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14:30 Doug DeMuro? Cars shown by a real manufacturer eventually gets built.
14:34 Speaker 02 Maybe not, but the thing is people are saying that this will become the new M3. That's what a lot of people are saying. That's what the rumors are heavily circulating. But there is a video that came out of it driving, which you get to see these wheels in action, which are very cool. They've put a lot of effort into the regenerative braking. It's a lot smoother and it's, yeah, it's, it's something. But the big thing was they made the wheels light up, which is ridiculous.
14:57 Doug DeMuro? I had the new M5 last week and people complained so much. BMW has embraced technology more than any other legacy automaker. It's so amazing. They've got everything tech. You know, you know, the climate vents, in order to make them a full blow or not blow, you have little screens that you tap. Each vent has a screen and people look at BMW like that enthusiasts, the people who want, who have, who have E90s are like, fuck you, I mean, screw them.
15:22 Speaker 01 People that have tried to tell their mother how to open a vent.
15:25 Doug DeMuro? But what BMW is saying is our, our customer base has always been young people who get it and it still is.
15:31 Speaker 01 That's why they went for headlights. Look like Kia Optima from two generations ago.
15:34 Speaker 02 Our producer said this and I kind of agree, which is more annoying, this or a Burbel to my way.
15:39 Doug DeMuro? The wheels are bad, but like, maybe this is the future. I don't know, but I know BMW is leading us there. We got a new X3 behind us right now. That's leading us into the future. But I just took that to the DMV and let me tell you something. It looked like the future in that parking lot.
15:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:53 Doug DeMuro? Lot of Honda Odyssey's with three-year-old expired plates up there.
15:56 Speaker 01 They're body, luckily.
15:58 Doug DeMuro? Heavy body day.
15:58 Speaker 02 I once had to take my 355 to that DMV to register.
16:01 Doug DeMuro? The one in Claremont?
16:02 Speaker 02 Uh, yeah. Boy, was it, uh, it was quite a sight there. There were a lot of people very interested.
16:06 Doug DeMuro? I bet some cool stuff shows up at the DMV if you, if you like waited long enough.
16:09 Speaker 01 Right, right now, when you look, when you see a grill lit up at night.
16:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
16:13 Speaker 01 As the current BMWs do, as every Mercedes seems to now with the Star.
16:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
16:17 Speaker 01 As I saw like a Lexus have yesterday.
16:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
16:20 Speaker 01 What do you think?
16:22 Speaker 02 Uh, I go, every time.
16:24 Speaker 01 And when you see a wheel like that driving around, what do you say?
16:26 Doug DeMuro? I think that they're making fun of their customers. It seems like they're making fun of their customers. It seems like, oh, you're a lease shopper who's, who's trying, oh, yeah, well, how about this for you? How about this little carnival ride?
16:37 Speaker 02 People thought that, even when Audi did the headlights, like on the R8, they thought that was tacky.
16:41 Doug DeMuro? And you're right. I don't think anybody ever thought that was tacky.
16:43 Speaker 02 People thought that was tacky.
16:44 Doug DeMuro? Regardless.
16:45 Speaker 02 39, same thing. This is a bit much for me to start.
16:49 Doug DeMuro? It won't come to production, of course.
16:50 Speaker 01 Give us our last news story.
16:51 Speaker 02 Really? Not a production car? You don't think this aspect of a production car?
16:55 Speaker 01 The, the, the US won't allow laser headlights. You think they're gonna start allowing wheel lights?
16:58 Speaker 02 I don't think they have any dictation on wheel lights.
17:01 Doug DeMuro? The US allows laser headlights. They don't allow the auto high beams. They have to either be on or off. They can't choose.
17:05 Speaker 01 Do they allow laser headlights now?
17:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, there were BMWs with laser headlights, but they stopped offering it because they decided it wasn't cost-effective.
17:10 Speaker 01 Cause you can't do the cool things.
17:12 Doug DeMuro? Well, you can do the cool things, but it's, it's more expensive and it doesn't really benefit. What the US doesn't allow, the greatest feature I ever seen in my life, I've drove a Mercedes in a lane like this. You get the high beams on.
17:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:23 Doug DeMuro? It turns on the high beams, but then a car is coming and instead of turning them off, it blocks out the high beams only where that car is in the, the beam sweep.
17:31 Speaker 02 Yep.
17:31 Doug DeMuro? So you still get the full effect of the high beams, but the driver coming toward you isn't, isn't, it's incredible. It's obviously safer, but our regulations are far behind. Disappointingly.
17:41 Speaker 02 Do you wanna dive into that political point that he's making there? Everything's fine.
17:44 Doug DeMuro? We gotta delete, right, what does Trump say about regular? I don't know. We gotta, this though, I think is gonna come.
17:50 Speaker 02 I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest with you. This, but to be clear, there's a lot more to it than this. They've done a lot of work in terms of, through the real engineering, there's a lot of, this car creates an incredible amount of downforce. It's 2,645 pounds of downforce.
18:03 Speaker 01 How? That's different. The pounds of downforce?
18:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:06 Speaker 01 Maybe that's why it has the horn on the back. I understand what.
18:08 Speaker 02 That is why it has that, which also has a lot of vents through it and stuff. It's, it's.
18:12 Speaker 01 Why do they have four people in this car?
18:14 Speaker 02 Sorry?
18:14 Speaker 01 Why do they have a people, four people in this car?
18:17 Speaker 02 Also, because it's a four-seater car. It's four doors.
18:19 Doug DeMuro? Show that off.
18:20 Speaker 02 Yes, right. Yes, you see, we put four people in it in the new class. It's a very impressive car. It makes 13,000 foot pounds of torque. They did claim that, by the way. They said 18,000 Newton meters of what they put to the road, which we looked into. It's some gearing technicality where they say it's 18,000.
18:36 Doug DeMuro? They like multiply the gear of the electric motors by the, I don't remember.
18:39 Speaker 01 And like the number of wheels, maybe because it wheel has a motor.
18:42 Speaker 02 Because I'll tell you what, that equates to 13,276 foot pounds of torque.
18:46 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
18:46 Speaker 02 Doesn't seem realistic to me. But nonetheless, if this does become what the M3 will be, I still don't know because BMW did say they want to make six cylinders and eight cylinder engines still, so.
18:58 Speaker 01 This will be an M3, but an electric version of an IM3.
19:02 Speaker 02 I3M.
19:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's something like that. I think it looks cool and they keep showing it to us, so they're gonna do it.
19:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm kind of into it, to be honest. The wheels are a bit much.
19:10 Speaker 01 I3M.
19:11 Doug DeMuro? Give us.
19:11 Speaker 02 I3M.
19:12 Doug DeMuro? I3M. As he works this out, give us the next news story. Ah, yes, Yugo. Here's some very excited people around a Yugo.
19:18 Speaker 02 I go?
19:18 Speaker 01 Because everybody needs a Yugo.
19:20 Doug DeMuro? Yugo, noted Eastern European car company that failed is going, is apparently going to come back and build a new car. That was the report this week. We looked into it and it seemed like a guy drew one.
19:32 Speaker 01 A guy from Serbia, I believe, drew one. It looks great. It looks like a combination like a GTI and an Ioniq 5 and a old Yugo.
19:39 Doug DeMuro? No real production plans.
19:41 Speaker 01 The description was such a dude got an interview and said, I want to do these things.
19:47 Speaker 02 I want to draw a Yugo for you. It's a new car now.
19:50 Doug DeMuro? Right. Headline is Yugo is coming back. Reality is man draws car on paper wishes he had a factory.
19:57 Speaker 01 Although apparently they're gonna do a.
19:58 Doug DeMuro? An engineering.
19:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're gonna do a tour of the world in the old Yugo, so somehow advertise the new Yugo.
20:05 Doug DeMuro? I saw that. Good luck. All right, let's move on to our Talk Cars segment, which of course is sponsored by Filippo.
20:10 Speaker 01 Of course, personally.
20:11 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, an employee of.
20:13 Speaker 02 Avoiding politics at all costs.
20:16 Doug DeMuro? Okay, let's talk about the Lake Tahoe Strada. Can you pull it up, please?
20:18 Speaker 02 Yes.
20:19 Doug DeMuro? You know what I'm talking about, right?
20:20 Speaker 02 I do.
20:21 Doug DeMuro? This week, every person that I've ever met sent me a picture of this. There was a Lamborghini Storato in Lake Tahoe. Go to images, let's pull, oh, there it is.
20:30 Speaker 02 There it is.
20:30 Doug DeMuro? Darcey blows. Uh, there was a, some guy got a bad photo of a Storato that had clearly slid off in Lake Tahoe. I don't even know that it's stuck, but it, that was the implication.
20:40 Speaker 02 Yes.
20:41 Doug DeMuro? And everybody posted it everywhere and it was a big deal. And I got sent this picture by everybody being like, I can't believe people are taking a Lambo to Lake Tahoe. And I had to be like.
20:50 Speaker 02 Folks.
20:51 Doug DeMuro? Folks.
20:52 Speaker 02 That's what it's for.
20:53 Doug DeMuro? This is, I, this is a off-road car. And you know what happened every time, I literally, 10 people who I barely speak to in my entire 10 people, sent me this.
21:03 Speaker 01 Really?
21:03 Doug DeMuro? Said this, I replied and was like, that's an off-road version. And like nine of them didn't reply after that. They were like, they must've been like, he's clearly an idiot. Like, it's not an off-road car.
21:15 Doug DeMuro? But it is, people!
21:16 Speaker 02 We were like, no, you're the idiot.
21:20 Speaker 02 My friend.
21:20 Doug DeMuro? It's great.
21:20 Speaker 02 My friend Ben who lives in New Hampshire sent me a picture of a Storato in the snow. And this came out the next day and went, that's nothing, look at this.
21:27 Doug DeMuro? The Storato can handle this.
21:28 Speaker 02 It can take it.
21:28 Doug DeMuro? I'm not even entirely convinced that it's stuck here.
21:31 Speaker 01 Nah.
21:31 Doug DeMuro? The implication was that it was stuck. And it might be, but there's also a crossdreck sitting in front of it that's off the road.
21:36 Speaker 02 And an 18-wheeler.
21:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's more likely to get stuck.
21:39 Speaker 02 That, yeah, that, I think it'll be fun.
21:42 Doug DeMuro? My point is, the Storato is built for this.
21:45 Speaker 01 More built for it than a, than a LMO2.
21:48 Doug DeMuro? But it is hard to explain this to regular people. People see an orange Lambo and the Storato is such a weird car.
21:54 Speaker 01 That's why it's cool.
21:54 Doug DeMuro? That's why it's cool.
21:55 Speaker 01 The cool her.
21:56 Doug DeMuro? No, I've got a Lambo, but it's for off-roading. What do you mean?
21:59 Speaker 01 For off-roading, yeah.
22:00 Doug DeMuro? What are you talking about? It, what do you mean for off-roading? It's got seven inches of ground clearance. What do you got? Personally, zero. You walk right on the.
22:07 Speaker 01 That is, that is two inches moreish than my fishing wagon has, but.
22:11 Doug DeMuro? Is that true? Think about that.
22:12 Speaker 01 Five point something, 5.4. But, less than an Outback, but I can answer to.
22:15 Doug DeMuro? The point is.
22:16 Speaker 01 So.
22:16 Doug DeMuro? Uh, this, uh, poor Storato is now shamed everywhere, even though it, it.
22:21 Speaker 01 It's what it's for.
22:22 Doug DeMuro? I would've taken my Storato to the, I probably would've put chains on it or true winter tires. Maybe it has them.
22:27 Speaker 02 Well, chains? Do you think they have like a, a rating for chains for how fast you can go?
22:31 Speaker 01 There are parts of Lake Tahoe where they require chains.
22:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:34 Speaker 02 Oh, because studs, it can't have studs.
22:35 Doug DeMuro? You could probably do, if you had, if you had metal studs, they'd probably allow that. Maybe winter tires, but there are, there are snowy roads in like, oh, there was still to this day require chains.
22:44 Speaker 01 Yep.
22:45 Doug DeMuro? I would put, yeah.
22:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, of course.
22:46 Doug DeMuro? Let's run chains on them. No big deal.
22:49 Speaker 01 That looks so cool in the snow. Imagine driving that around.
22:51 Speaker 02 Man, but also kudos to this person for actually using it. I feel bad they have to suffer the embarrassment of seemingly being stuck and all over the internet, but good for them for actually driving this thing.
23:00 Doug DeMuro? I'm so sad that they got shamed when they did what they were supposed to.
23:04 Speaker 02 Honestly, screw it. You got stuck, fine. Get out of it. Keep going. That's what it's for.
23:09 Speaker 01 It's a light car they can push.
23:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, it is a light car. That's right.
23:12 Doug DeMuro? Okay, give us our next talk cars segment, Filippo.
23:15 Speaker 01 All right. The other, a few we saw a month ago. Yep. My station wagon got hit while it was parked outside my house.
23:20 Doug DeMuro? Okay, and I see, okay, I'm worried about where this is gonna go.
23:23 Speaker 01 It got fixed at a, at a good body shop. They, they've been generally good.
23:27 Doug DeMuro? Generally good.
23:28 Speaker 01 I went to pick it up. My wife offered to go pick it up. I was like, no, I'm, I have a feeling I'm gonna be a little pickier.
23:34 Doug DeMuro? Then you are.
23:35 Speaker 01 And there are a few things that I'm not happy with that they're very kindly gonna fix.
23:39 Doug DeMuro? There's a color match issue.
23:40 Speaker 01 No, the color match is actually okay, but there's a few finishing things where I'm just unhappy with how it looks.
23:44 Doug DeMuro? There's some panels that didn't line up.
23:45 Speaker 01 Some trims, there's a, there's like a body, like a side skirt that, that got broken in the process that they're gonna replace and fix.
23:51 Doug DeMuro? You, this car's been hit multiple times under your ownership.
23:54 Speaker 01 Twice ever. Um, uh, both under my ownership, yes. Uh, and it's worth maybe fifteen thousand dollars.
24:00 Doug DeMuro? Right, what do you, that, but like.
24:02 Speaker 02 Every day he turns more into me.
24:04 Doug DeMuro? What, what are you picky about? Tell us specifically.
24:07 Speaker 01 That's the debate, like.
24:08 Doug DeMuro? What is specific? Do you have pictures?
24:10 Speaker 01 I don't have pictures with it. There, there, there's a side skirt that got broken in the, the process. There's a few spots for the bumper, like they need to redo the liner to actually hook it up correctly. It's a little bit mismounted. All things that don't really matter on a hundred fifteen thousand mile, fifteen thousand dollar car that gets driven every day.
24:25 Doug DeMuro? Right.
24:26 Speaker 01 At the same time, here are components that were all replaced and repainted by a very professional body shop. And so my expectations are. High-ish because they're doing the work that they should do it well.
24:38 Doug DeMuro? I don't.
24:39 Speaker 01 Are my standards unreasonable?
24:40 Doug DeMuro? No, but.
24:42 Speaker 01 Like a little bit.
24:43 Doug DeMuro? When it comes to cars that age, like what do you, now it's gone again? You got another two weeks?
24:47 Speaker 01 No, I mean, they're gonna do it all in one day, a couple weeks.
24:50 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
24:51 Speaker 01 But I, and I will say, I want to be very clear. It was a quite a nice conversation where I said, hey, like, I, I know that these don't really matter. But what can we do?
24:59 Doug DeMuro? So let me ask you, now it's been gone for a while. Does that mean you're thinking of maybe it permanently being gone out of your life for a while?
25:07 Speaker 01 We were driving it all week because I have family visiting and we were going six people in the car because it's done made for that. Got seven seats, seven seat belts.
25:14 Doug DeMuro? You're aware of rental cars exist.
25:16 Speaker 01 And I like the wagon, but yeah, it's the more I drive our GTI, which is a basically a new car. The more it becomes very evident that that station wagon is 11 years old and has done 150,000 miles.
25:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's.
25:28 Speaker 01 And so now, yeah.
25:30 Doug DeMuro? You're thinking about a newer body. You're thinking about mine. Did I just say you might?
25:32 Speaker 01 I can't afford that.
25:34 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean? The 17s aren't that expensive.
25:36 Speaker 01 I don't want, that's.
25:37 Doug DeMuro? You only want an Altara.
25:38 Speaker 01 I can do prefer the Altara. I, I don't know. I don't know.
25:41 Doug DeMuro? They got him.
25:42 Speaker 01 I can't justify a different car, but I'm thinking about it because it's feeling more worn.
25:46 Doug DeMuro? It is, it is. These cars start to get old, they start to feel old and that's.
25:49 Speaker 01 But like, should I still be picky about bodywork on a car where nobody will ever care because it's worth nothing?
25:54 Doug DeMuro? Uh. I would.
25:56 Speaker 01 You would be picky.
25:57 Doug DeMuro? Well, obviously, but I, I would, you're right. That like the job should be done well if, yeah, no offense. But even you looked at it and you're like, this is not right. It must be pretty bad.
26:07 Speaker 01 One of the downsides of working at Cars and Bids for the last four and a half years is that you get really good at pointing out flaws.
26:12 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
26:13 Speaker 01 You get quite good at looking at a photo and being like, that doesn't match or this looks wrong. And unfortunately I've internalized those skills.
26:19 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
26:20 Speaker 01 You wouldn't care about any of this.
26:21 Doug DeMuro? I wouldn't care, especially on a car like that. That's, that, in fact, the benefit of a car like that is that you can not.
26:27 Speaker 01 But it just got.
26:29 Doug DeMuro? That cars were 12 and you're
26:30 Speaker 01 No, it's worth 15 to 17.
26:31 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we were 12 in six weeks. You can, the fun of that car is that you can drive it and really not worry that much about it.
26:38 Speaker 01 That's how I worried, that's how I treat all my cars.
26:39 Speaker 02 Damaged on his, he also wasn't involved with either of these incidents that happened, just to say. But you are, yeah, I, look, I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's unreasonable, but like, it should probably go.
26:54 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know that it should go. I disagree with that. I think the car has enormous amount of utility. A $15,000 car that is practical and runs and drives. And that's a car you keep. The depreciation curve is really minimal. It's a reliable car. You put a lot of money into it, it's safe. Just have it and use it. Yeah, I did notice you drove your Abarth here today, though, which is interesting to me because you have, yeah, you have that car, you have your new GTI. Well, I thought we were selling the Abarth.
27:18 Speaker 01 The Abarth is gonna be sold soon.
27:19 Doug DeMuro? Okay, next topic. Uh, go to the site real quick. I want to talk about a car that neither of you have ever heard of. Type in A8. You ever heard of the Audi A8?
27:26 Speaker 01 I have, every generation.
27:28 Doug DeMuro? Check out this one. Click on that. You know what's special about this one? Take a look.
27:32 Speaker 01 It seems like a nice one. It's been one owner for the last 26 years.
27:34 Doug DeMuro? What's, what's special about this one?
27:37 Speaker 01 One owner for the last 26 years.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? When the D2 Audi A8 came out in 1997, it was offered in two versions. There was the 4.2 Quattro.
27:46 Speaker 01 That we all know.
27:47 Doug DeMuro? And there was a 3.7 front-wheel drive.
27:49 Speaker 01 What?
27:50 Doug DeMuro? This is a front-wheel drive Audi A8 from an early model year.
27:54 Speaker 01 What?
27:54 Doug DeMuro? First model.
27:55 Speaker 01 What?
27:56 Doug DeMuro? Now, uh, the 3.7 you never saw. And you, if this one's in New York, you especially never saw them in the Northeast.
28:01 Speaker 01 Why would you buy one?
28:02 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid in Colorado, I never actually laid eyes on one. I went to Atlanta for college years after finding out about it and finally saw one. The giveaways are, there's no Quattro badge in the front grille. And if you go to the exterior, the, there should have been a 3.7 badge. What, what someone did on this car is they tried to disguise, I mean, they're not trying to cover it up, but they're like embarrassed about the, so they, they took out the 3.7 badge, which didn't say Quattro underneath. It just said 3.7. And they switched out the wheels for S-wheels. But I always thought that the base wheels were actually kind of charming.
28:29 Speaker 02 I had no.
28:30 Doug DeMuro? This is a front-wheel drive Audi A8. To this day, the A8 platform is a front-wheel drive platform, but obviously they don't sell a front-wheel drive version. And this is a front-wheel drive Audi A8.
28:40 Speaker 02 I'm like.
28:40 Doug DeMuro? With the 3.7. It's not a 4.2 car. There were two motor options, which also nobody knows. Who knows?
28:46 Speaker 01 You're joking. How did I never know that?
28:49 Speaker 02 Maybe it's more reliable.
28:50 Speaker 01 How much power? 230 horsepower?
28:52 Doug DeMuro? It wasn't big power. It was incredibly rare. It was like probably 5% of sales. Obviously, in retrospect, they shouldn't have even offered it. And in subsequent generations, they didn't.
29:00 Speaker 01 Right.
29:00 Doug DeMuro? But in this generation, and I think only for the first couple of years, there was a front-wheel-drive Audi A8. We got one on the site right now.
29:07 Speaker 01 230 horsepower, 235, 5.5 pounds of torque. First of all, from a V8?
29:11 Doug DeMuro? How?
29:12 Speaker 01 And secondly, who?
29:14 Doug DeMuro? Those were the deaths that happened back then.
29:15 Speaker 01 To be fair, for a while, Mercedes-Benz with the S-Class offered a small six-cylinder.
29:19 Doug DeMuro? There wasn't... Well, yeah, over the years. I mean, in the W126s, a lot of them had six-cylinders.
29:23 Speaker 01 Well, no, in that generation.
29:25 Doug DeMuro? This generation of S-Class...
29:26 Speaker 01 There was a 320. There was still here.
29:28 Doug DeMuro? There was a S320. And so that's probably why Audi did it. They were like, well, they're selling a base model. We'll try a base model 2.
29:34 Speaker 01 Wow.
29:35 Doug DeMuro? Front-wheel-drive 3.7.
29:36 Speaker 01 I never knew that.
29:37 Doug DeMuro? It's also worth pointing out, by the way, the 97 Audis... Let's go to the interior photo. The 97 Audis didn't have Tiptronic. They only had a straight gearbox. In 98, they switched to Tiptronic. And so the 97s, the A8 came out in 97. The only way you could get a non-Tiptronic A8 was if you got a 97.
29:53 Speaker 02 Sadly, they didn't want to... Oh, there we go.
29:54 Doug DeMuro? Unusual. The A4 came out in 96, and so there were two years of no Tiptronic. But this is a really, really, really, really uncommon car. I don't consider it to be more valuable, but it's...
30:04 Speaker 01 No, but it's uncommon.
30:04 Doug DeMuro? I saw it come through, and I saw that... I actually saw it in the thing, in the Audi A8 3.7. I thought to myself, that must be wrong. I haven't seen one of these in so long. There it is.
30:13 Speaker 01 Wow.
30:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
30:14 Speaker 02 I've written saying that the passenger mirror is smaller than the driver's mirror, like substantially.
30:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
30:19 Speaker 02 It looks pretty tiny.
30:20 Doug DeMuro? I can't believe this car was in the Northeast. Massachusetts, Windows City.
30:23 Speaker 01 I know.
30:23 Speaker 02 Well, this is crazy.
30:24 Speaker 01 But with one owner, this is 99.
30:26 Doug DeMuro? Why did you buy this and not a four-wheel? It was probably five grand more for a four-wheel drive and the bigger motor.
30:30 Speaker 01 With the headlights and taillights different? Or is that just 97?
30:32 Doug DeMuro? I don't think so. I think this is a pre-face-lift car, and they facelifted it like 98, 99, something like that.
30:36 Speaker 01 So they facelifted it a year later?
30:37 Doug DeMuro? D2s are rare to begin with.
30:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. It wasn't long before they facelifted it, because the orange side marker was also on the A4s in 96, 97, and 98.
30:46 Speaker 01 This is such a Euro-looking A-Class, A8.
30:49 Doug DeMuro? But this is a US car that's sold new in the US.
30:52 Speaker 01 Wow.
30:52 Doug DeMuro? Pull up the other interesting Euro.
30:54 Speaker 01 Please go to the R5 Turbo.
30:55 Doug DeMuro? A8?
30:56 Speaker 01 R5. Five.
30:57 Speaker 02 Ooh.
30:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
30:58 Speaker 02 Oh, look at that.
31:00 Speaker 01 I don't have anything to say, just like look at her.
31:01 Doug DeMuro? Did you ever drive one of these?
31:02 Speaker 01 No.
31:03 Doug DeMuro? I never had either.
31:04 Speaker 02 What an obscure.
31:08 Doug DeMuro? I do. What if he said yes?
31:10 Speaker 01 No.
31:10 Doug DeMuro? But I drove a Clio.
31:12 Speaker 01 Different.
31:14 Doug DeMuro? The Clio was dangerous.
31:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
31:16 Doug DeMuro? The Clio is so light up front.
31:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, what do you think this is?
31:19 Doug DeMuro? This must be even sketchier.
31:20 Speaker 01 It's so sketchy.
31:20 Doug DeMuro? In a good way.
31:21 Speaker 01 Look at that, like the rear is so wide.
31:24 Speaker 02 That is.
31:25 Speaker 01 The engine is in the back for reasons.
31:27 Doug DeMuro? The whole concept of this car is ridiculous out of its mind.
31:31 Speaker 02 And these bring massive money.
31:33 Doug DeMuro? They're rare. I mean, you know, it's funny because the regular R5 was just a trashy little European hatchback. And then there's this, the Turbo, which was like a legit car.
31:41 Speaker 01 Turbo 2.
31:42 Doug DeMuro? Turbo 2.
31:43 Speaker 01 This is the most legit car that we've ever sold or Kenan has ever seen.
31:48 Speaker 02 Okay, that's interesting. I have seen them in person.
31:51 Doug DeMuro? There's, there's. You know what this is? He's, he likes his little European hatchbacks and this was kind of the final form of the European hatchback. And he likes his obscure cars and this, like it does everything Filippo needs it to do.
32:02 Speaker 02 Except that it's French.
32:03 Speaker 01 I'm okay with that.
32:04 Doug DeMuro? He loves it. You know what's weird about this car is the hood is in the trunk.
32:10 Speaker 01 Yep.
32:11 Doug DeMuro? And I want to be clear, the hood isn't the trunk. Like in the Lotus Elise, the hood is the trunk. No, there is a trunk.
32:18 Speaker 01 It's like a spacious trunk too.
32:20 Doug DeMuro? If you go to one. That's the other thing that's weird. The hood is carpeted. Not a lot of cars, you have a carpeted hood, but in this car, you do have a carpeted hood.
32:27 Speaker 02 How many hatchbacks do you have a front?
32:29 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
32:30 Speaker 01 That's true. Look at, like, that's not, if you go to one with that clothes, that's not a tiny hatchback.
32:34 Doug DeMuro? Actually, the top part opens up. In, in, in the, in the Clio, there was a carpeted part and then there was a part under it as well.
32:40 Speaker 02 That is, that is so ridiculous.
32:42 Speaker 01 What do you think is with that hump? Like, I, like.
32:44 Doug DeMuro? We'll go back.
32:45 Speaker 02 Exhaust.
32:46 Speaker 01 This is such 1980s French engineering.
32:48 Speaker 02 Exhaust for sure, yeah.
32:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:49 Doug DeMuro? You're lucky they carpeted it, man.
32:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
32:53 Speaker 01 What a cool, this closes the day this podcast comes out.
32:56 Doug DeMuro? And it's such a cool car. Ken, give us your experience with the M5.
33:00 Speaker 02 Uh, yes. So Doug had on test as he alluded to the G90 M5.
33:05 Doug DeMuro? That's what they call it?
33:05 Speaker 02 New, yes.
33:06 Doug DeMuro? A lot of them G.
33:07 Speaker 02 Yeah. Uh, and this car, so, you know, a lot of talk about how much it weighs. Everybody talks about that it weighs more than the solar system.
33:16 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
33:16 Speaker 02 And that it is not an M5 and da da da.
33:19 Doug DeMuro? You know, it doesn't weigh more than the Charger EV, which I think is my new benchmark.
33:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, but American cars can be heavy. German car, it's like, it's an M5. It's supposed to be like, but lighter.
33:27 Doug DeMuro? Your EV is mine.
33:29 Speaker 02 Anyway, so.
33:30 Doug DeMuro? It's also a high watermark. Low watermark? I don't know.
33:33 Speaker 02 So I drove this car. Perfectly acceptable. I have like, it's, it is monstrously powerful. I mean, it's just the torque was insane. Like on the highway, you just breathe on it and just.
33:44 Doug DeMuro? Magazine reports are that it's slower at zero to sixty in quarter mile than the last one.
33:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:49 Doug DeMuro? The last one was really fast.
33:50 Speaker 02 He said it, and I'll say it again. All performance cars are the same fast. They might be off by a tenth or even a half. You don't notice it in the real world, in reality.
33:59 Doug DeMuro? Your Fiat's not a performance car? Let me tell you something. Let me, let me tell you where this comes from.
34:03 Speaker 01 I want to know more about the M5.
34:04 Doug DeMuro? Let me tell you where this comes from. Everybody argues over zero to sixty times in the tenth of a second. Race. Cars are all the same. They're all the same. I used to drag race. I used to do quarter mile drag racing. For years and years, I did quarter mile drag race. Probably been to the drag strip a hundred times. You know what I learned? Every car's as fast as every other car. I'm not screwed with you. You'd get two cars that were like, should be pretty far apart. They would end the race like a third of a, of a, of a second apart. And that was kind of that. It was like, okay, that one was faster, but in real world applications, that doesn't matter.
34:35 Speaker 02 Anyway, so the point I'm making about the M5.
34:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
34:38 Speaker 02 Is that it, it does everything an M5 is supposed to do. It's pretty, it's very comfortable on the highway. It handles surprisingly well. It hides its weight very nicely, I've, I've found. On tight roads, it didn't feel that out of place. It felt like pretty manageable. It's very comfortable. It's nicely put together. I have to admit, the lights and the screens are a bit much. Like, it's really bright and kind of irritating inside the car.
34:57 Doug DeMuro? You need to turn that down.
34:58 Speaker 02 That's the modern way. And the M5 is, as Harry Metcalf put it, is, it's the emblematic of how cars are now. That M5 is, is a modern M5.
35:08 Doug DeMuro? Plus, I would say that BMW sells cars to like, young, well-kept, dark-haired guys who cheat on their wives. Rich. Do you agree? The M5s, anyway. And.
35:18 Doug DeMuro? But it's kinda right, right? Like, I think, like, that's who buys new M5s, right? It, it, come, am I wrong?
35:23 Speaker 01 No.
35:23 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
35:24 Speaker 02 Never owned a new one.
35:25 Doug DeMuro? And so I would argue that, like, the, the screens and the tech is even part of it, too. Like, they're on the forefront. These young guys who buy the car want, like, the latest and greatest stuff.
35:36 Speaker 02 We've expressed it. If you're, if you're a manager, you're coming up, you buy the M3. The boss buys the M5. That was always kind of the, but it is like a tech thing.
35:43 Speaker 01 Cheating on the wife.
35:44 Speaker 02 Well, I'm not, I'm not putting that on my M5 brethren. But it, it, it, it just, it is, it is a very competent car. Is it necessarily, well, I went from M5? Not necessarily. It's like, I do.
35:57 Doug DeMuro? But you're not.
35:59 Speaker 02 But I'm not, I'm not.
36:00 Doug DeMuro? Demo.
36:00 Speaker 02 Right, I'm not the demo.
36:02 Doug DeMuro? Right.
36:02 Speaker 02 Exactly. I'm not the che, the cheating demographic, that's, I suppose.
36:07 Doug DeMuro? Um.
36:07 Speaker 02 But a very impressive car nonetheless. The torque, I'll be thinking about the torque for a long time.
36:12 Doug DeMuro? I think it's impressive. I also, I think also the type of people who buy that car. Everybody online complains. Guys with modded E90s complain. But the type of people who buy that car, um, they like the, they like everything being new and modern. The design is modern and aggressive. The design is fresh and new and cool, et cetera. And I think that's what people are looking for.
36:29 Speaker 02 I'm even kind of coming around on the way it looks. It, it doesn't bother me. I don't love it, but it's like, eh, it's fine. You know, it's just.
36:35 Doug DeMuro? I like how it looks. I think it's cool.
36:36 Speaker 02 I think it's fine.
36:37 Doug DeMuro? I think the new 5 in general is a really attractive car, and I think in 20 years, people are gonna come around to that point. I'm just 20 years early.
36:43 Speaker 01 As awesome as it's case.
36:44 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay.
36:45 Speaker 02 But a good car. Thank you for letting me drive it.
36:47 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah, I'm glad you did drive it. You've now driven every generation of the M5.
36:50 Speaker 01 I was sure you wouldn't.
36:51 Speaker 02 That's not true.
36:52 Doug DeMuro? Which one haven't you driven?
36:53 Speaker 02 I haven't driven the original E28.
36:55 Doug DeMuro? No way?
36:55 Speaker 02 I haven't driven, haven't driven E34, but I've driven everything.
36:58 Speaker 01 You drove E34, M540, right.
37:00 Doug DeMuro? You haven't driven an E34?
37:02 Speaker 02 Um, no.
37:03 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's, it's a letdown compared to your car, so. Um, I actually, I'll tell you, I loved the E28 though. I drove an E28 in Altadena the day before that guy bought the winning lottery ticket.
37:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:12 Doug DeMuro? You know the guy?
37:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, in Altadena.
37:13 Doug DeMuro? It was actually the day of.
37:15 Speaker 02 Wow.
37:15 Doug DeMuro? I was driving.
37:15 Speaker 02 Even you.
37:16 Doug DeMuro? He was buying a lottery ticket at the shop and save. I was, I actually broke down in that M5 while I was filming it. So, you know, who had the better day?
37:23 Speaker 02 You're both winners.
37:25 Speaker 01 You had a real M5 experience, and he won a lottery ticket.
37:28 Doug DeMuro? And now he's got a lot of M5 experiences, because he's bought all these cars. Edwin, was this Edwin Castro? Was that his name? Wasn't it? Edwin Castro, yeah. You don't know this story?
37:39 Speaker 01 Can we move?
37:39 Doug DeMuro? He bought like every Porsche.
37:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, he went to like, remember when they auctioned all those white like?
37:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, of course.
37:44 Speaker 02 He went there and like bought loads of them.
37:46 Doug DeMuro? He bought every Porsche. He bought, he went to the dealer and said, I want all the Cayenne. They said, I don't know. They said, all of them.
37:51 Speaker 01 And of course, we now respect him heavily.
37:57 Doug DeMuro? Some people do. Some people only respect people if they have money or, and that's the only reason to respect people.
38:02 Speaker 01 A lot of Porsches.
38:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay, next up, market report. Time for the market report, brought to you by carsandbids.com. Oh, com, right, dot com, sorry. You got anything else to say about?
38:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, you can buy or sell your dream car on carsandbids.com.
38:15 Doug DeMuro? You can sell your dream car?
38:17 Speaker 01 You can. It would be tragic if you did.
38:19 Speaker 02 I did it.
38:19 Speaker 01 Maybe you're ready for a new dream. Maybe you're ready for a new dream. You can sell your dream car and then buy your new dream car.
38:24 Doug DeMuro? Like you dreamed the 500 of Barth and now you're selling it.
38:27 Speaker 01 I will sell it. And I, and I now dream of the car I bought on the site, which is a GTI.
38:32 Doug DeMuro? Was that a dream or more of a nightmare?
38:34 Speaker 01 Which one?
38:35 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
38:37 Speaker 01 The Abarth.
38:38 Doug DeMuro? No, it's been great. It's a GTI, I guess, since you mentioned it.
38:40 Speaker 01 It's been great.
38:41 Doug DeMuro? All right, market report. Filippo, what do you got for us?
38:43 Speaker 01 This past week, we sold a B8 S4. That's an Audi S4.
38:47 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
38:47 Speaker 01 It was a really nice, right, stick, red interior, sport differential. It also went.
38:52 Speaker 02 Eight point five.
38:53 Speaker 01 Yep. It also went for what I thought, based on looking at some comps, was a really strong number.
38:58 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
38:59 Speaker 01 And it, I, makes me wonder if people are finally recognizing that like, here is a really great driver's sports sedan.
39:05 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
39:05 Speaker 01 For a long time, the Audi sports cars, especially they're like the ones based on regular cars, have not gotten much love. They're just depreciating German luxury cars. But maybe the special ones are starting to get appreciation in the same way that an M3 or a C63 does. And here's one with a stick that did really well.
39:24 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, this is an unusual situation, though. This car has sport differential from the factory and it had a manual. Yeah, I agree with you. The B8s are possibly in the right situation, getting a little bit of recognition. But this particular car was a really desirable one. Had pretty low miles, 62,000 miles is low. A lot of these cars get driven hard.
39:41 Doug DeMuro? And the sticks are rare.
39:42 Speaker 01 The sticks are rare.
39:43 Doug DeMuro? And B8 dot and a half is especially rare, but. If you're gonna get one, this is one to have. It's also a pretty cleanly modified car, already titled in California. It's got some nice, if you're interested in mods, it's got some nice mods. I agree with you, the number was was strong for this car.
39:57 Speaker 01 And the comments agreed, but also like, it makes sense.
40:01 Doug DeMuro? But it is a find another type car. B8 S4 is with a sticker, not a round.
40:05 Speaker 01 It gives me hope that people, I think they're really cool cars. I think they're a great, actual, fun sports sedan. That was a little underappreciated. It gives me hope that people are recognizing them.
40:15 Doug DeMuro? The B5, B6, and B7 S4 has never really been beloved by the market.
40:20 Speaker 01 Nope.
40:20 Doug DeMuro? We got a B6 here in the office, actually behind this X3. I don't know if you can see the X3, it's camouflaged.
40:25 Speaker 01 It's matte, matte black.
40:27 Doug DeMuro? It's stealth. And we got a B6 S4 back there. And it's so good. I have fallen in love with the B6 Audi S4.
40:35 Speaker 02 I always wanted one.
40:36 Doug DeMuro? You driven that one yet?
40:38 Speaker 02 No, I gotta find a video to make.
40:39 Doug DeMuro? Drive the car. It's your car, but B6-er.
40:43 Speaker 02 Ooh, which is to say, worse. But, but you know, the engine's mounted in front of the front wheels, which is not great. And it's not, and the engine grenades.
40:55 Doug DeMuro? But it's so cool. Well, yeah, so it blows up. I mean.
40:58 Speaker 02 I mean, whose engine doesn't, you know? I've always liked them. I always thought they're, there is a group of people who appreciate them. And when I see a B5 S4, I am like, I have incredible respect for the person who owns that, because to go through that pain, that cool of a car is really impressive. And to see a nice one now is unheard of. And the same thing sort of applies to the B6. The B7 S4 is awesome, but the B7 RS4 exists, and so everybody would rather have that. That's a really, really special car.
41:24 Doug DeMuro? Plus, the timing chain issues didn't affect the B7. And in my, it's much. And in my, in my mind, if you're not living on the edge, like the B6 is, like any moment you could start that car and need a motor, then what are you really doing? Um, okay. Next one is manual Cayenne. Can you pull up this manual Cayenne?
41:42 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
41:43 Doug DeMuro? Wild. Talk about cars that bring money. Kenan's been looking for a Cayenne.
41:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm still on it.
41:48 Doug DeMuro? Kenan's been looking for a Cayenne. It's this one here. And, and, and we've been looking at turbos, and they're like 20.
41:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, you can get a, a, a, do. They're hard to find with great options.
41:57 Doug DeMuro? But 2025.
41:57 Speaker 02 But yeah, 2025, 30 in that range.
41:59 Doug DeMuro? This manual comes up, a six cylinder, black, black, pretty basic car, convenience pack, pretty basic car, and it sells for 33.5 with miles. It wasn't, it was like 87,000.
42:09 Speaker 02 To keep that in perspective, we just sold a Turbo S.
42:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
42:13 Speaker 02 For 32.
42:14 Doug DeMuro? It's the same model you're about. It's actually a newer car. What, what is the mileage on the Turbo S?
42:18 Speaker 02 Turbo S.
42:18 Doug DeMuro? 93, same mileage. So for, for the same money, you could have a Turbo S. This is 550 horsepower, and I'm sure it has crazy options because they all did.
42:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:27 Doug DeMuro? Or you could have a six cylinder stick, base car, Nicki Minaj, same money.
42:34 Speaker 01 Or a four year newer GTS.
42:36 Speaker 02 No, we've got a V6.
42:38 Doug DeMuro? That's a good point, actually. That's, but that's a facelift car. That's the next body.
42:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, V6 anyway.
42:44 Speaker 01 That's body.
42:45 Doug DeMuro? This is a V6. So if you've already gotten yourself in a V6 mindset, you could have, I mean, this is, it's crazy what these manuals go for.
42:52 Speaker 02 I would, someone, I think I'd rather have, I mean, the manuals is cool, but it's like, I've been told they're not very good to drive. Like, you don't really want that.
43:02 Doug DeMuro? They're not sporty manuals, but it's still a manual and it's cool. I mean, in the Porsche world, listen, listen, the, the cars, the, the 911s and Boxsters that are turquoise over turquoise are ugly, but they're big money because they're cool. And it's the same here. Yeah, it's not the best to drive. He's, he's tuned me out.
43:20 Speaker 02 Well, I want to see that Boxster. We, we sold one that was.
43:22 Speaker 01 We sold more than one, yeah.
43:23 Doug DeMuro? He's going to check, that's 150, he's going to go through 150 listings. My point is in the Porsche world, people don't care as much about whether it's actually good and more about whether the perception of it being interesting.
43:34 Speaker 01 And it is interesting.
43:34 Doug DeMuro? That's what sells in the Porsche world. This sold for 19 grand. It's a base Boxster with miles, 19 grand, but it was green, it was turquoise on turquoise with a turquoise parking brake handle, and you ain't gonna find that again. I, the manual Kynons always bring money. During the peak of COVID, we sold some for really quite astronomical numbers.
43:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:56 Speaker 02 No, I mean, look, it is an incredibly cool car. Would I take a Turbo S over it?
44:01 Speaker 01 You know what's surprising, though?
44:02 Doug DeMuro? Well, you say duh, but I think that a lot of people would disagree. Turbo S is just a car that like a rich dude buys and it depreciates and whatever. A manual Kynon is like a special car.
44:11 Speaker 02 I mean.
44:12 Speaker 01 Who bought the manuals new?
44:14 Doug DeMuro? It was, it was crazy people. I remember it. I was there. It was crazy people.
44:17 Speaker 02 I, I want an automatic, I want a, I want 500 to 550 horsepower. And that's, that's comfort. That's what I want.
44:23 Doug DeMuro? It depends what you want out of your Kynon. You want a car that is a usable, practical, luxury SUV that you can drive fast. This person wants a car they can throw around the corners and do a, you know, drop a gear.
44:34 Speaker 01 They don't care about that. They want to shift gears. They want to do something with their hands.
44:37 Doug DeMuro? They want to do something with their hands.
44:38 Speaker 01 Can I, okay.
44:39 Doug DeMuro? I text, they.
44:41 Speaker 01 I do have a question. Zoom back out. Cause manual second gen Kynons, which is what we'll call it, are way more desirable than GTS's from the first gen. Scroll back up. We have a GTS, a first gen GTS Live right now with, with a stick. Cause of, in the first gen Kynon, the GTS was the only one available with a stick.
45:00 Doug DeMuro? And that's not true. There was a six.
45:02 Speaker 02 There was a six on there.
45:03 Speaker 01 You will never see them.
45:04 Doug DeMuro? They're very rare and they are not, they are not viewed with the same belovedness as the second gen.
45:10 Speaker 01 Why, in my mind, a V8 powered Kynon with a stick should be more, and sporty pretensions should be more desirable than the V6 second gen.
45:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
45:20 Speaker 01 And they're, they're desirable.
45:22 Doug DeMuro? These still bring money. These still bring money. Low mile ones of these still bring money.
45:26 Speaker 01 About the same money.
45:27 Doug DeMuro? The prices are too close.
45:28 Speaker 01 Very similar.
45:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Especially because the, the V8, even though it was the first gen, had a lot more power too. It's 420 horsepower versus 300.
45:34 Speaker 01 We have seven Kynons live right now.
45:36 Doug DeMuro? Seven Kynons, dude. This is Kynon clearinghouse. And you know what? I don't even mind. Kynons are great and they're great deals and they're great cars to buy. We bought one.
45:42 Speaker 01 We did.
45:42 Speaker 02 Yep. We're gonna sell it soon. We're gonna sell it very soon.
45:44 Doug DeMuro? Okay. It's time for the questions. The questions are brought to you by Kenan. Kenan, he answers your questions.
45:49 Speaker 02 I do.
45:50 Doug DeMuro? The questions this week were interesting. Okay. Oh, first, let me tell you how to do them. You go to carsandbids.com. You know the website? You click on the community tab and then there's a post there that says like, hey, let's answer your questions. Sleepy, will you see this? Look at that. That is your dream.
46:02 Speaker 01 They're off the market. How sad.
46:04 Doug DeMuro? That is your dream. Anyway, there's a post with the questions. That's where you answer questions. Now, this week, we got a bunch of questions. The best questions were not the top ones. I'm gonna breeze through a couple topies and then we're gonna go on to the gradies.
46:13 Speaker 01 Do it.
46:13 Doug DeMuro? There's a gradie for you coming.
46:15 Speaker 02 Oh, man. I'm braced for impact.
46:17 Doug DeMuro? Okay, question from Mr. B. Sean B. Doug, I really missed the more Doug videos like the Vegas hotel room tour, etc. Can you open a Google spreadsheet with the unlisted video links? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Can we do that? He looked at me. He doesn't like me.
46:27 Speaker 02 Are you serious?
46:28 Doug DeMuro? It's like 5 o'clock. He's done. Maybe. I don't know. Find the link somewhere else. Which ones do you like best? Well, open those.
46:35 Speaker 01 Right now, I will say they're all private for a bunch of like channel-related reasons.
46:39 Doug DeMuro? They're unlisted, aren't they?
46:41 Speaker 01 By the way, it doesn't matter. We had to do a bunch of things to have the channels work the way we wanted them to. We can get there. We'll talk about it.
46:47 Speaker 02 I do the house tours and the hotel room tour. I'm particularly fond of because that was when I started at Cars and Bids. You called me when you were driving there and then driving back. That was reviewed that day.
46:56 Doug DeMuro? That's true. I remember that call.
46:58 Speaker 02 And then COVID happened.
46:59 Speaker 01 I was on the Vegas Strip.
47:00 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
47:01 Speaker 02 Had to have a million-dollar line of credit to have that hotel room.
47:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question also from Mr. B. Sean B. Doug, you say the company is no longer yours since you sold it. I assume you still have a considerable amount of shares. What about a decision where the higher-ups make decisions you disagree with out of your control? How would you handle it? The ownership structure is weird because, yeah, I do have a lot of shares and I'm also like in the face. Like, look at me.
47:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's your face.
47:19 Doug DeMuro? So it's weird that I'm a minority, but also like the person.
47:24 Speaker 01 Get out a beard.
47:25 Doug DeMuro? And so I, but the thing about it is I'm not a business person. Everybody blames me for everything that happens on Cars and Bids, but like, I don't know what the hell's going on. I make YouTube videos as a profession. It's what I do. When the investors came and said, hey, we're gonna buy this thing. I was like, oh, my God. Thank God. Somebody's gonna do this because I can't anymore. I really, really, truly mean that. There are decisions that are made here every day that I'm in awe of. That I wouldn't have done myself and that I'm surprised by. And some of them don't work and some of them do work, but regardless, like, I wouldn't have taken this to where it is now. And so I try to lay my, I try to leave my hands off for the executives and the investors to govern. And that's kind of that.
48:09 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question from BigUltimaHater6. Which car offers the most exotic and beautiful looks for the money? In other words, which car provides the best looks per dollar value?
48:17 Speaker 02 I have thoughts on that one.
48:19 Doug DeMuro? Vantage, V8 Vantage.
48:20 Speaker 02 V8 Vantage is very good. You... You mean sports cars specifically?
48:24 Doug DeMuro? Anything. You're talking Cayenne now.
48:26 Speaker 02 No, the Cayenne's a very good-looking car. You won't like this.
48:29 Doug DeMuro? Uh oh.
48:29 Speaker 02 You won't like this either.
48:30 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna say Gran Turismo?
48:31 Speaker 02 Nope.
48:31 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be E-ther nine and five.
48:33 Speaker 02 The Fisker Karma, in my mind, is an extraordinarily attractive car, and they're pretty inexpensive. This one is a nice one, sold for $36.6, but you can get them for $17, $13.
48:43 Doug DeMuro? The problem that I have...
48:44 Speaker 02 I think they're really pretty.
48:45 Doug DeMuro? When I see one, I think, like, orphaned brand, laughable car, barely keeping it on the road. Like, this is the DeLorean of the modern era. Now, DeLoreans are cool now, but there was a long time where people thought...
48:56 Speaker 02 When I look at it, I see, I remember in 2012, I came to San Diego for the very first time, and Fisker was a brand that existed. They had a showroom in San Diego, and I went, and pictures in the Fisker showroom.
49:07 Doug DeMuro? But if I, if I saw...
49:08 Speaker 02 It's spectacular.
49:08 Doug DeMuro? So they're cool at the time.
49:10 Speaker 02 Right, but as they've aged, I still think they're cool. And they had the plug-in hybrid idea. They, it was good, it was a good idea. It was just, it was a little bit ahead of its time, because now it's the new.
49:20 Doug DeMuro? Well, and they used the GM EcoTech engine.
49:22 Speaker 02 Right, now they're great.
49:23 Doug DeMuro? Chevy Cobalt, Chevy Cobalt power.
49:25 Speaker 02 But I think they are, especially that rear haunch, I just think it is extraordinarily beautiful.
49:29 Doug DeMuro? It's a striking car. Is it a beautiful car? I don't know.
49:32 Speaker 02 I think it's beautiful. But V8 Vantage is...
49:35 Doug DeMuro? What is that color?
49:36 Speaker 02 Well, they put, so they put glass in their paint as their metallic, which is why it's so poppy.
49:41 Doug DeMuro? The, uh, I agree that this car is pretty cool, but I don't think it's the most... I mean, an Aston Martin is an Aston Martin.
49:48 Speaker 02 Another one you'll disagree with, but the, yeah, the most...
49:50 Doug DeMuro? How about one of those old Rolls's?
49:52 Speaker 02 Like a, like a, uh...
49:53 Doug DeMuro? Like one of the, like one of the...
49:54 Speaker 01 Is that a beautiful car? It's a stately car. Is it a beautiful?
49:57 Doug DeMuro? Well, it says exotic and beautiful.
49:59 Speaker 01 It's a stately one.
50:00 Doug DeMuro? I was filming that today, and everybody's staring at me. And I'm like, this is...
50:03 Speaker 01 Same is true if you're driving a G-Wagon.
50:04 Speaker 02 Well, if beautiful and exotic looks are what you want.
50:06 Doug DeMuro? This is a good one.
50:07 Speaker 02 Gran Turismo's one. You hate the way it looks, but you're wrong about it.
50:10 Doug DeMuro? I think it's ugly, but I do think it looks exotic, and people, people are attracted to it.
50:13 Speaker 01 It does look exotic. Okay, you can agree.
50:15 Speaker 02 That is a beautiful car and for $15,000, I mean that more value than the Aston.
50:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that is an exotic looking car, even if it's Aston's better.
50:24 Speaker 02 I would in a heartbeat take the Aston over this, but nonetheless, that is a, that is a beautiful car. Our producer had somebody, one of his friends who's a non-car person saw a Grand Tris but modded one with like lip broken off and like took a selfie. She was like, oh, it's a Maserati. It's like normal car people still have that or normal non-car people still have that reaction.
50:41 Doug DeMuro? Okay, um, I agree with all those. Do you have any Jaguar XK? Yeah, that's a good one. It is beautiful. It, people think it's expensive. It is not.
50:51 Speaker 01 Nope.
50:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:53 Doug DeMuro? Those are 12.
50:54 Speaker 01 That's a $13,000 car.
50:55 Doug DeMuro? What?
50:56 Speaker 01 That is a beautiful car. It's a gorgeous car.
50:58 Speaker 02 Oh, I.
50:59 Speaker 01 Wow, I didn't know it was that, that, that cheap.
51:01 Doug DeMuro? I think you can get it for 10.
51:02 Speaker 01 I mean, I, but.
51:03 Doug DeMuro? Get an 07, find an 07. I bet they're 10. Here's an 07 15. Keep going.
51:06 Speaker 01 Wow. Just go with the cheapest price.
51:08 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no.
51:09 Speaker 01 Lowest price.
51:09 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, lowest prices. Well, not lowest.
51:12 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
51:12 Doug DeMuro? There you go.
51:13 Speaker 01 Well.
51:14 Doug DeMuro? The cheapest ones are 10, 11, 12.
51:15 Speaker 02 Wow, that is an, I did not know they were that cheap.
51:18 Speaker 01 Beautiful car for that.
51:19 Speaker 02 Crazy.
51:19 Doug DeMuro? You know, in 07, they had the antenna. You remember this?
51:22 Speaker 01 No.
51:23 Doug DeMuro? Click on that one, 07. 07, Jag hadn't figured out how to do the antenna yet.
51:27 Speaker 01 Oh, you're right. They did.
51:29 Doug DeMuro? So in only 07, they had.
51:31 Speaker 01 Wow.
51:31 Doug DeMuro? An antenna off the back.
51:33 Speaker 01 Did I have one?
51:33 Doug DeMuro? Which screwed up the whole look of the car.
51:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's so.
51:36 Doug DeMuro? Beautiful design. How good or bad? They didn't figure out how to like bury the antenna in the windshield like everybody else or put the aerial on the center.
51:42 Speaker 02 I cannot.
51:42 Doug DeMuro? You want one of these?
51:43 Speaker 01 How good or bad are they?
51:44 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. They get.
51:45 Speaker 01 They're not sports cars, but like.
51:46 Doug DeMuro? They get miled up. We get them submitted. How many miles this thing have? They get submitted with some miles, but um, don't they have that AJV8 that's problematic that was in all the Range Rovers?
51:53 Speaker 01 Probably.
51:54 Doug DeMuro? Although with 07, it doesn't. It has the V8 that was in my Range Rover that was really reliable.
51:58 Speaker 01 I don't have that in my.
51:58 Doug DeMuro? Your next car.
51:59 Speaker 02 Interesting. That is appealing.
52:02 Doug DeMuro? Yep. Okay, here are some great ones. There's some great questions this week, some of the very best. Don't look at them. Don't look at them ahead of time.
52:08 Speaker 01 I apologize.
52:08 Doug DeMuro? Be surprised.
52:09 Speaker 02 He cheats again.
52:10 Doug DeMuro? From Ranger 22445, can you share the YouTube analytics for the Grand National video after the Kendrick Lamar song released? He actually means after the Super Bowl halftime because Kendrick Lamar has already been all Grand Nationally. He had an album entitled GNX where the GNX on the cover. We, okay, I looked. And you want to know something? No effect. There was a slight effect. So it went from maybe 800 views per hour to like 1,000. Not huge. But you know what I noticed? If you look at them in December, it spiked to like 22,000 views per hour.
52:40 Speaker 01 Maybe that's when the album.
52:41 Doug DeMuro? Maybe the album gave out that. What the hell? So like the spike for the Super Bowl was like this to this, but the spike in December was like way up here. Who's looking at Grand National content back?
52:50 Speaker 01 Plus, we should have titled that video GNX, even though it wasn't a GNX.
52:53 Doug DeMuro? Oh, just to get the clicks, just to get the clicks. That's so true, honestly. I'm going to add GNX to the search terms. No, I won't actually. Okay, from, oh, yes, yes, Kenan, this one's for you and all of us, except him. Can you rank the mid-engine V8 Ferrari cars from least to most favorite?
53:14 Speaker 01 Okay.
53:15 Speaker 02 Okay, so we're assuming is the 308 GT4 included?
53:19 Doug DeMuro? No, I think 308.
53:22 Speaker 02 308 through F8.
53:24 Doug DeMuro? Oh, okay.
53:25 Speaker 02 He said V8.
53:26 Doug DeMuro? Well, I know, but the tuna, okay, fine. You don't want to put the tuna in there. Six, I know, but in purity, it's, okay, fine.
53:32 Speaker 02 Well, but it, he said eight cylinders. He wants to know. He doesn't think that it qualifies.
53:36 Doug DeMuro? That's a good point. So 308, 328, I'm going to run them down here.
53:40 Speaker 02 Yep, 348.
53:41 Doug DeMuro? 308, 328.
53:43 Speaker 02 F355.
53:44 Doug DeMuro? 348, 355, 360, 430.
53:47 Speaker 02 F430.
53:48 Doug DeMuro? 458.
53:50 Speaker 02 488.
53:50 Doug DeMuro? 488 and F8. Okay. So.
53:54 Speaker 02 I've driven.
53:55 Doug DeMuro? We agree the worst is the 348, which is not a negative on the 348. But it's the worst of it. I will track these for you.
54:02 Speaker 02 I don't know if it's quite the, I mean, because like a two-valve 308, like the one, the GTSI that you drove.
54:09 Speaker 01 That car was amazing.
54:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, but it's.
54:13 Doug DeMuro? You're going to throw the 308 under the bus, that wedgie car?
54:16 Speaker 02 That's the problem because like the QV is amazing, the Veyron Zina is great, and the GTSI is fun.
54:22 Doug DeMuro? I think 348 goes first because it was.
54:25 Speaker 02 It's worst.
54:26 Doug DeMuro? It was unreliable, it was not particularly attractive, the interior's not great, it's not fast.
54:32 Speaker 02 It has attributes that are good.
54:33 Doug DeMuro? It does. Steering, it has great steering.
54:35 Speaker 02 Best of, way better than the 355.
54:37 Doug DeMuro? It's pretty quick.
54:39 Speaker 02 It's good looking, I think it's eight, I think it's, it's of its time. I think it looks really, it's.
54:43 Doug DeMuro? But the 308 looks better.
54:45 Speaker 02 388 is prettier, 348 is more striking.
54:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, that's crazy. The wedge 308, 388 is a wedge.
54:51 Speaker 02 The 348 is a wedge.
54:52 Speaker 01 I can tell them.
54:53 Doug DeMuro? If he saw those two cars, he'd have no clue what he's looking at. He'd look at 388 and be like, oh, a Countach.
54:59 Doug DeMuro? I'm telling you.
55:00 Speaker 01 So your least favorite is?
55:01 Speaker 02 No, I think that, I love a late 348. A late one, an early one.
55:06 Doug DeMuro? We agree 308 and 348 are the worst two, right?
55:09 Speaker 02 Yeah. Oh, am I not gonna count the 208, the 208 Turbo?
55:13 Doug DeMuro? No, I'm not gonna count the 208. Okay, so 308 and 348 are the worst two, right?
55:17 Speaker 01 I'm doing the opposite.
55:18 Speaker 02 I don't know.
55:18 Speaker 01 I got this for you, Doug.
55:20 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
55:20 Speaker 02 I don't know, if you're gonna go, I don't, I don't like the 488 at all, to be honest with you. The 488 feels like a normal car that you would just use. It is, there's nothing exciting about it, there's nothing, it's not thrilling, it's, it's, it's.
55:34 Doug DeMuro? What do we think's the best?
55:36 Speaker 02 What do we think's the best? 355? I don't know.
55:41 Doug DeMuro? Looks the best or is the best?
55:42 Speaker 01 Cause this is, that's a questionable thing.
55:44 Speaker 02 But then the problem is, like, you mean, cause like, the 360, the Challenger 308 exists, but if I compare a Challenger 308 to a 308?
55:52 Doug DeMuro? No, I think you're, I think the car has to be like the normal one.
55:55 Speaker 02 The base car.
55:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like, cause we could, we could also put the 360, the windshieldless 360 that they gave to Luca as a wedding present, and that would win, obviously, it'd be number one. It's also your favorite. What is your favorite?
56:06 Speaker 01 I think we may have to move on, but what's your favorite?
56:08 Doug DeMuro? The windshield, the windshieldless 360. No, we're not gonna move on, we're gonna get to this. I'm, okay, I'll tell you, I'm gonna look at them right now, I'm gonna tell you. Here's the order. Number one.
56:18 Speaker 02 As worst or better?
56:20 Doug DeMuro? Best.
56:20 Speaker 02 Best?
56:21 Doug DeMuro? 430.
56:23 Speaker 01 430 is the best.
56:24 Speaker 02 Better than the 455.
56:25 Doug DeMuro? Number two, 458, it had a stick, dude, it had a stick.
56:29 Speaker 01 458, sure did.
56:30 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know, I'm talking, generally it had a stick. 430.
56:33 Speaker 02 Generally, 7% of them have sticks. They're like 12 in the world. It did not, no, that is outrageous.
56:39 Doug DeMuro? Cause a stick was available, I'm talking about the car in general, 430.
56:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, in general, they were F1s. It's an F1 car.
56:44 Doug DeMuro? Number two. No, but it's a, it's 430. Number two, 458.
56:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
56:48 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Number three, 355.
56:52 Speaker 01 Okay.
56:53 Doug DeMuro? Number four, F8.
56:57 Speaker 02 Wow. Jeez.
56:59 Doug DeMuro? Number five, three sixty. Number six, three twenty-eight. Number seven, forty-eight. Number eight, three oh-eight. Number nine, three forty-eight. Boom, I did it. Dude, it's hard. They're all good.
57:12 Speaker 02 They are. That is true. They are all good. I don't like, I don't like the F8. I don't like.
57:20 Doug DeMuro? Fine, so give us your list, or best to worst. Bam it up.
57:23 Speaker 02 It's really hard to think, um.
57:27 Speaker 02 That's really.
57:27 Doug DeMuro? Look, dude, they're a nine car. Just go for it. This is hypothetical again, Kenan.
57:32 Speaker 02 I know, but it's really hard. Um, I think, I think that.
57:38 Speaker 02 I still think the F355 reigns supreme. Like, it is more of a Ferrari driving experience than the other ones, like.
57:43 Doug DeMuro? Three five five.
57:44 Speaker 02 Is exciting at all speeds.
57:45 Doug DeMuro? And the car you decided to sell after owning it for nine months.
57:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I still, because guess what? After all of that pain, I still want one.
57:51 Doug DeMuro? Three five five, you over four thirty and four five eight. Three five five over four thirty?
57:55 Speaker 02 Let me ask you a question. They were both parked in a parking lot. Which one would you go look at first?
57:59 Doug DeMuro? I would look at a three five five. It's the most beautiful. There's no question. Except maybe four five eight. It's the most beautiful.
58:02 Speaker 02 I guess, the question was the, my opinion on the.
58:05 Doug DeMuro? Your favorite.
58:06 Speaker 02 My favorite?
58:07 Doug DeMuro? Your favorite is a question. Yeah, least to most favorite.
58:10 Speaker 02 Favorite. Ha ha!
58:12 Doug DeMuro? But bitch, should be that. I ranked it by that.
58:14 Speaker 02 F355 is my favorite. I think that the.
58:19 Doug DeMuro? You gotta go four thirty. Four thirty, four five eight. Just say four five eight, four thirty. Choose an order of those two.
58:22 Speaker 01 He's gonna say like three forty-eight now. Cause it was a precursor to three five five.
58:26 Speaker 02 All the wedge cars I like way more than the stuff that came later, but I do.
58:30 Doug DeMuro? Three two eight should be up there then.
58:31 Speaker 02 I.
58:32 Doug DeMuro? Cause that's the one.
58:32 Speaker 02 I think three two eight's probably third, but I think that, um, I think I would probably, I think the, I think the four thirty is, would probably be second. I would rather have that than a four five eight.
58:41 Doug DeMuro? Tab.
58:42 Speaker 02 Probably the. Three two eight slash three oh eight. They are kind, they are.
58:46 Doug DeMuro? I can put them one next to each other. Great.
58:48 Speaker 02 The um, then I would say probably the 458 after that.
58:51 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow.
58:52 Speaker 01 The 4360 is really bitey down.
58:55 Speaker 02 What?
58:56 Doug DeMuro? You got the 308 over the 458?
58:58 Speaker 02 I'd way rather have a, I, I think I, to own, I'd way rather have a 308.
59:02 Doug DeMuro? Really?
59:02 Speaker 01 You're gonna go for a long deal.
59:03 Speaker 02 Lights go up.
59:04 Speaker 01 Fit the category.
59:05 Speaker 02 The horn goes beep and it's just, and they were all manuals. 100% of them are manuals, not 7% of your 430s. Uh, that, yeah, but then, yeah, I think the, yeah, 458 then.
59:17 Doug DeMuro? Then you're stuck on F8, 488, 360 and 348.
59:20 Speaker 02 I think probably, you're not gonna like this, but it's probably say 360 and then four, uh, then F8 then, no, then 48, no, yeah, F8 then 48 at the bottom.
59:31 Doug DeMuro? Well, then 348.
59:32 Speaker 02 Oh, then 348 at the bottom.
59:33 Speaker 01 3348 at the bottom?
59:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:36 Speaker 01 You guys are aligned on.
59:37 Speaker 02 I barely put it above.
59:38 Speaker 01 Two things, you're aligned to the 348 is the worst.
59:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
59:41 Speaker 01 And that is.
59:42 Doug DeMuro? No, we're, we're aligned on some more than that. 360 is in basically the same spot for both of us, kind of mid pack. 430 is near the top for both of us.
59:48 Speaker 02 I love the 348.
59:49 Doug DeMuro? 355 is number three for me, number one for you. I love it too. I think it's great.
59:52 Speaker 02 I think, yep.
59:53 Doug DeMuro? That's a tough one. Uh, they're all good. It's, it's different from 911s where it'd be very easy. Um, okay. Next question from AWGRBR. This is our last good one, our last question, and it's a very good one. You leave that up for the rest of it.
1:00:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, thank you.
1:00:05 Doug DeMuro? Agreed. What car do you consider to be the baseline for special enough to take out your phone and snap a picture? I recently saw a Storato on the road and as an adult man, I felt silly for snapping a pic, but there are definitely cars I would. Where is your line? First off, I would snap a pic of every Storato. I snapped a pic of everything. I took a pic yesterday.
1:00:20 Speaker 01 What was it?
1:00:21 Doug DeMuro? You don't send me these? I gotta send it to you. It was something, oh, it was an XM and I was in the Courage GT.
1:00:25 Speaker 01 You don't send me?
1:00:26 Doug DeMuro? With a template and I wanted to be like.
1:00:27 Speaker 01 Last time I saw an XM, which is also the template, I took a picture. Send it to you.
1:00:31 Doug DeMuro? Um.
1:00:32 Speaker 01 I'm, I'm offended.
1:00:33 Doug DeMuro? Well, I apologize. I send every, I think if I see a Dodge Stealth, I saw SVT Contour and I was in the Courage GT and I took a picture. Nobody in our group chat, by the way, seemed to care about my SVT Contour signing.
1:00:44 Speaker 02 I'll be honest, blew right past it, didn't even.
1:00:46 Doug DeMuro? Too wide a horse.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 I, I do like it. I agree. That one was a little borderline.
1:00:51 Doug DeMuro? Dodge Stealth!
1:00:52 Speaker 01 I will often take a picture or ask my wife to take a picture. Um, and she'll be like, why is that special? Like I, I'm not bothering explaining why this.
1:01:00 Doug DeMuro? Right.
1:01:01 Speaker 01 Buick Skylark is special.
1:01:02 Doug DeMuro? Right. Oh, you saw a Skylark? Right, yep.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 I had a buddy when I took that.
1:01:06 Doug DeMuro? My, that's all to say that my line is low.
1:01:08 Speaker 01 No, no, the 90s one.
1:01:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:09 Speaker 02 Right, he would think that the original one was a 20s car. Filippo has a cutoff for all old cars, like built in the 60s, before 1981 or built in the 20s.
1:01:16 Doug DeMuro? So my line is real low and peculiar, so I can't answer the question.
1:01:21 Speaker 02 I take, I will take a picture of a car if I know it's important to somebody who I know, like a friend of mine, like if, yeah, that I would do.
1:01:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:30 Speaker 02 Like, for you, I might not, I don't know if I'd take a picture of an Abarth for you, because...
1:01:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I wouldn't hope that you do.
1:01:36 Speaker 02 Any, but if I saw like a, if I saw, I don't know, if I saw someone imported a Panda and I saw, I would take a pic. At Concorde Italiano, I took the picture of that Panda 4x4.
1:01:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you better leave him that phone number next time.
1:01:49 Speaker 02 Because I knew he'd like it.
1:01:50 Doug DeMuro? I shoot every, I take pictures of everything. I've, I love seeing the vehicles.
1:01:55 Speaker 02 Stuff in context.
1:01:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm a press photographer and I take pictures of everything and I, I really enjoy seeing the pictures. I love sending the pictures. I take pictures for the right people, and that's that. Um, are you, okay, we will move on. That's the end of our segment today. Uh, unless Cannon has any parting thoughts for us. Cannon? 355.
1:02:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:18 Doug DeMuro? Rossa Rubina.
1:02:20 Speaker 02 That's Rosso Barca.
1:02:21 Doug DeMuro? Rosso Barca. You got any thoughts for us?
1:02:23 Speaker 01 Panda 4x4.
1:02:24 Doug DeMuro? Panda 4x4 is your thought. My thought is...
1:02:26 Speaker 01 I'm actually a Panda 4x4 squared.
1:02:27 Doug DeMuro? Ooh.
1:02:28 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
1:02:29 Doug DeMuro? Portal axles.
1:02:30 Speaker 01 Somebody's done one, I have no doubt.
1:02:32 Doug DeMuro? Dude, that would be legit. Yeah, there are guys in Italy right now wearing suspenders and no shirt who have one of those. You know what I'm talking about.
1:02:39 Speaker 02 It feels a little racist.
1:02:40 Doug DeMuro? If you have a Panda Portal axles. No, dude, these are the hill folk. Filippo knows exactly what I'm talking about.
1:02:44 Speaker 01 I didn't say no.
1:02:47 Doug DeMuro? Look at that. Oh, wow.
1:02:50 Speaker 02 That's useful, Filippo. Should turn this thing off.
1:02:51 Speaker 01 No.
1:02:51 Speaker 02 All right.
1:02:52 Doug DeMuro? We'll overlay it. Okay, everyone, thank you so much for watching, for participating, honestly, for sending us your questions. Which were excellent this week.
1:02:58 Speaker 02 The most chaotic podcast yet.
1:03:00 Doug DeMuro? It was the best podcast we've ever done, thanks primarily to Filippo and Cannon.
1:03:04 Speaker 02 But, thank you, and to you, Doug.
1:03:06 Doug DeMuro? Goodbye, everyone.
1:03:07 Speaker 02 Goodbye.
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