#2306 - Deric Poston

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So we're just looking at the song in that security canvas in the fucking gym with his stupid haircut.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Why is he...

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  My friend is a song hilarious dude.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  One of the best, one of the best.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  Fantastic and getting better, man, all the time. He's, he's a guy who's always working.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  Nobody writes more new stuff.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  He writes a lot.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  That guy puts me on my ass because I always, you know, we've been, we've been best friends for the last 12 years. So I've been watching this whole time and since we met him and Brian Simpson, they put you to work.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's important because if your friends are slacking, you're like, I can slack off too.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, or you feel like, oh man, I'm better than my friends. But when your friends are like, every time I see him, I'm like, dude, I saw you yesterday. You have two new bits like, and they're good.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  How the fuck?

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  But his, one of his bits is his fucking hair.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  It's Hinchcliffe song. Hinchcliffe fucking keeps encouraging, like, keep it going, keep it going. He does encourage it. And I told you, he's getting mad pussy with the hair.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Shh, don't say that.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Oh, he's single.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna fuck up his pussy.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  No, you're right, you're right.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  I heard, you're getting mad pussy, really? I thought, hey guys, we were having a wonderful...

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing funnier than when your friends, um, pull you aside to complain about a girl that's like putting the cuffs on them.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  It's the best.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  Why don't you do things? Why don't you, I heard the haircut. Why don't you even, why don't you cut your hair better so you don't get mad pussy?

• 1:36Speaker 02

  You take comedy serious. You don't take me serious.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Look at him, look at his hair.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Oh my god. He's the man. Look how smooth he looks though. He looks dressed nice.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  He's headlining La Jolla this weekend with you, right?

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we're doing it next week, next Thursday.

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, next weekend.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Next Thursday, yeah, going back. And then we're doing the Belly Room too, headlining the Belly Room next night.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  Nice. Fucking La Jolla is one of the best rooms in the world.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56Joe Rogan?

  That La Jolla room is fire.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  If you get it crushing in there.

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  It's a box. It's a literal box. It's a kill box.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  And he's cheating with his hair.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  He's cheating.

• 2:05Joe Rogan?

  He's cheating. I won't say the jokes, but these hair jokes are just too good.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Well, they go, people lose their.

• 2:11Joe Rogan?

  They lose their mind. It's unfortunate because they think he looks way better with his head shaved.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  He's a good looking guy.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  He's a good looking guy.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  And since you got him in the gym, his chest is filled out, his back's straighter.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  I love when I come here and you two guys are in the gym and you're by yourselves, no one's pushing you. I love it. I love it.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  The only thing, because we do every single thing that we did back when we were working out, but other than some days that we look at that cold punch, we're like, Joe, you're a fucking psychopath. Get the fuck out of here, dude. Not getting in cold water for you today.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  I'm down to work out tomorrow if you guys want to do it.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  All right, let's do it.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah, we'll get an old school one in.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we'll get an old school one.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  I'll get in the cold one. If we're all doing it, I need we all to be doing it.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  So my friend Sean, who trained Alex Jones, is now training Shane. He's gonna start training Shane.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  I heard about he puts them through gauntlets.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  I told Shane, I said, don't let him kill you. Don't let him kill you. It makes you back him off a little in the beginning. These fucking psychopaths.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  I remember when Hassan did it with him the first time, Sean, he got him to do it. I couldn't, I was out of town with Schultz and Hassan called me and goes, bro, I threw up twice. And I go, at the end, he goes, no, at the beginning. I was like, bro, get the fuck out of here.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  You gotta build up to that kind of stuff. That's the thing. Like Sean's in great shape, you know, and some, you know, if you're, if you're used to like coaching Navy SEALs and you're like, come on pussy, we gotta go, you know, like carry the fucking log. Who's gonna carry the boats? That's one thing. But when you're a guy like Shane and you're on a workout on again, off again, on again, off again, like you can't hurt the guy. Like you gotta like start slow.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  Like when we, when we started working out, what we do, we start slow.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Real slow. I mean, you were teaching us how to use the kettlebells, let alone going super hard at it. Whereas now, you know, me and Hassan have upped our weight because now we've done it so many, like.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's gonna be fun.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I'm excited for tomorrow.

• 3:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  But I was gonna tell you this about Hassan's hair.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  That's back to it, we're seeing him on the security camera, going, "What the fuck are you doing, bro?"

• 4:06Speaker 02

  I was like, "He looks like a fucking psycho." I can't believe, and people love it.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  They love it.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  I'll never forget this, one night, I'm working the back door of the Comedy Store, and this is when Theo Von had just, he went from, he went from a guy we all knew to he's now Theo Von. And I'm sitting back there and he pulled in and we're just kinda hanging at the back door and he goes, "Derek, let me tell you something, man."

• 4:27Speaker 02

  He goes, "I was getting 2,000 a weekend before this hair. Since this mullet, I get about 40K a weekend." And walked off. And I was like, "Man, what the..."

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  "Am I supposed to get them?" I literally was like, "I don't know what I'm supposed to do."

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  You know what, though? It's true, but it's not true. So, it's true that when the haircut came, he got more money on the weekend, but it's also like the haircut freed him to be Theo Von.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 4:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, do you remember when Theo, I remember very clearly the first time I ever saw Theo. And he was doing a bit about being, not even a bit, he was telling a story, a true story, about when he was, his, when he was young, his father was really old. Like, his father had him when he was like 70.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something crazy. And he said, he remembers being on acid, lying next to his father, well, and realizes his father's just dying. You know what I mean? Like, have you ever been around someone that's like, really dying?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  They feel like there's no life force in them.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're almost trapped in their mind. Yeah.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  And he's on acid, lying next to him, it's like, "Whoa, this guy's weird." Like, what a, what a weird set. And then, you know, he was talking about all kinds of other stuff too, but it was really fun, but it was interesting, you know? And then, I remember seeing him about a year, a year and a half later, and I couldn't fucking breathe. I was just crying laughing, "My cousin got bit by a gay guy, so..." We'll see.

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  I was just like, what the fuck are you saying? What the fuck are you saying? It was, it was the timing and the, the, the, just the materials like all over the place this weird way. I love a guy like that.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree. You're right. It wasn't, the mullet might have just been the little touch, but he was already

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes you need something like that to make you feel different, you know, like ma- like some dudes, I think, like dressing nice on stage because they feel different. Or Burt likes to take his shirt off because he feels different. Burt could do the same set with a tuxedo on. It would be the same fun. Yeah, it would be the same fun. It just makes him feel free to take, let that fucking gut hang out and show everybody he's willing to drink himself to death for you.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Like he's a fucking gladiator, dude. But they love it. But I do get that feeling of like being free on stage and truly,

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  because that does separate yourself too of like, oh, this is how I am.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta learn how to do that some way, right? And some people, it's alcohol and some people, it's the way they dress. And some people, it's weed. And some people, it's, you know, they have to run, they have to jog before they do a set.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I remember seeing Eleanor, she would do dips. You'll catch her in the back of the hall and just, she's just cranking out dips. And then she goes up, but then you see when she's up, it's like, oh, that's, energy had to just, it was just coming out of her.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's coming out of you. Now also you want to get your heart rate up a little bit so your body is like, and your mind is like, things are flowing really good. You don't want to be like sleepy and then go on stage, right? That's the worst thing in the world. Or a full meal.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

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• 10:17Speaker 02

  I heard Bill Burr say something, but he's just one of the greatest ever do it. But it always made me go, damn, because I always felt that way of like, no, I wouldn't eat before meal, eating before a show, I wouldn't eat. And then I heard him say once, he was like, I used to not eat before shows and then. I got older and I fucking have a Thanksgiving dinner before a show and go up and talk the whole set about how I had a Thanksgiving dinner and how fucking fat I am and how gross we all are in America and it was just like that freedom of like wow he really doesn't give a fuck this guy.

• 10:42Joe Rogan?

  He well, Bill is also amazing at being Bill like you know like he has he has his opinions, his what he thinks is stupid about something and he's just like locked in.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:57Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean like there's no like some comics like you'll see one of their hours and it's kind of like one kind of energy and then the other hour it's like kind of a different kind of and well Bill Burr is Bill Burr, I'm Bill Burr, I'm Bill Burr. He knows how to be Bill Burr, he's professionally Bill Burr.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  That's a great point.

• 11:16Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people couldn't even do his material, it would just like wouldn't work.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  No, and it would sound like hateful.

• 11:22Joe Rogan?

  Horrible, yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  This guy fucking hates the world dude.

• 11:24Joe Rogan?

  But that's just the magic of becoming you know you, right? Like there's a few like Attell is the absolute best at it.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:32Joe Rogan?

  Attell has a timing and a presence and then the material, the way it's written like a lot of it on paper you'd be like what is this? I don't understand how this would be funny, but you see him do it in real life, you're like oh my god, you're just crying.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, and when the crowd is more ruckus, he he's better.

• 11:51Joe Rogan?

  He's in on the corniness of some of the stuff too, which makes it even more fun. It's like there's many layers to it and you know some of it is just like just brilliant observations on things, some of them is completely ridiculous, you know.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  It's just all but it's woven into David Tell.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  And he'll pull out a fucking recorder.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he starts play the flute.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, when we saw him live, I was so fucking impressed.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  At the mothership, yeah, I remember that.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  I was so impressed, I was like that is so good. You know who's another one like that? Colin Quinn. Man, when he was here. Bro, you see him live, you're like, wow, that was so good. Just so fun. You forget how good he is. Yeah, and then you're learning shit. You're like, I didn't know this. Yeah, he's, he's like a history wizard. I remember we did tough, tough crowd once and Colin used to do stand up to the crowd before the show would start, before we'd sit down and do tough crowd. He was doing the warm up for his own show. Yeah, he was doing the warm up for his own show. This one time. I don't know if he did it all the time, but he was murdering. Murdering. And I was watching this, I was like, people don't know how good he is. Like, this is crazy.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  Cause like, there's some guys, they'll warm up for their show and it's like a monologue, they're doing a few jokes. It's like, it's okay, it's okay, but I'm not in it. I'm not really feeling it. With him, it was like I was at a club. I was like dying laughing like I was at a comedy club. I was like, people don't, this is, like, there's a few of these guys that just never got good at promoting. You know, and they're really good. Yeah. And the interesting thing is the really good ones are not bitter. That they're not as famous as they deserve to be. Like, I tell is like the least bitter guy alive. Yeah, he's so cool. Not even remotely bitter, always friendly. Yeah, he'll talk to open mic'er all day. Sweet, peaceful, like, he's as, as present as you can get. And he's infinitely less famous than he should be.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  He, he should be selling out arenas all over the world. He's that good. Wow. He's so good, dude. He might be the best comic alive. There's like a few in my mind that are like in the running for that, like, who's the best? I guess there's no one best. It's, it's, it's. You know, cause you always have to consider Chappelle. He's the, the goat of our generation. He's the most prolific, he has so- social impact. He's hilarious and silly, and he's a sweetheart of a person, too. So you have to think of him. But then I go with like sheer RPMs. I gotta go with Joey Diaz. I know, yeah. Sheer RPMs, where you just like, I, yeah, how many nights were we in the back of the Comedy Store? We couldn't, we couldn't even, couldn't even talk, you couldn't breathe. You're not even laughing anymore.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  Just wheezing. Everybody's just wheezing. You're making wheezing noises and slapping things.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Man, I remember back that era, seeing him and how people feel about him now, whatever. But at that time, man, when Chris D'elia was on stage in that main room some nights, it was mind blowing, the RPMs. The, just the amount of laughter and how fast would be like, what the fuck?

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he could kill. There's some, there's a magic to that thing. I think that's hypnosis. I've always thought that. I've been like, for a long time at least. I'm like, what is happening to me when someone's on stage and they're killing? You know, like when Shane, when Shane's on fire, what is happening to me? I think I'm like locked in with their mind. I don't think it's as simple as I'm watching a show or something like that, because I love like watching a funny movie, you know, Tropic Thunder, something like that. I love laughing, watching a funny movie. But I don't feel the same way I feel when a guy is in front of me on stage doing stand up. And I think as great as specials are, they're never, they're like sixty to seventy percent of being there live.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  Always. Cause I think there's something about being there live that's like, it's hypnosis. There's something going on where that, that person's making me think the way they think.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. When someone brings you into their world, and like you said, you're just living in it. And you're not even thinking about, you're, you're just like, I'm living in this guy's.

• 15:56Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Essence right now.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. You're, you're living in this person's imagination and this person's work, right? Cause they're like, they set this set up.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  And they danced it around their head and they wrote it down on paper. That's the other interesting thing about what we do is like, no one has, there's no like one way to do it. I always say my way to do it, but you know, I don't think Bill writes shit down. I think he keeps it all in his head. Yeah. Dave mostly keeps it all in his head, too.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Schultz does that, too.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 16:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the Jay-Z thing, too, right? Jay-Z kept it all in his head.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Lil Wayne, they didn't, they just, it's insane. They're releasing, it's not like they're releasing one album.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  But who's the best writer? Nas. Nas wrote everything down. You can't write rewind in your head.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  No, you can't.

• 16:40Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  It's a story backwards.

• 16:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a story backwards. It's another level. That's another level. That's like him pulling his dick out and just like. Slapping that shit on the table, right? That song is, we want to say like writing, like I challenge anybody in the world who's got a better written song than Rewind from Nas.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  That's a great take, I would agree with that.

• 17:01Joe Rogan?

  It's

• 17:01Speaker 02

  It's perfectly fluent backwards.

• 17:03Joe Rogan?

  It's insane, it's a language almost. Backwards, it's, it's magic, it's like a magic song.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  It's so, and it's, and while you're watching, you're like, you're appreciating the fact that he pulled it off.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, while you're listening, you're appreciating the fact that he pulled off this song backwards.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's impressive to watch the different ways people do it. I mean, I'm biased, because I'm tour, I tour with them, but man, when I'm out with fucking Schulze dude.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Because people just see him come up with that 10 minutes up top, you know, like we'll go, we'll go to Abu Dhabi and you just see it, right? But man, you know, people, I get to see how he gets there. And it's, he gets to town, and no matter where we are, and all he does is he just talks to people. And he doesn't say anything, he just, he gets a random person who's lived in wherever we're at for a long time, and he just lets them, and you can just, and you just see him. Kind of like, and his eyes will light up when somebody says a certain thing, and his eyes will light up, and he's like, oh, okay, oh, that's going on? Oh, then what do they think of this? So what are the, and he'll ask a couple of questions.

• 17:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  And he'll do it, and I'm not talking about 30 minutes, Joe, he'll talk to somebody for three, four hours before the show.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  And just soak in all the culture and all the information, and then you see him go on stage, and it's a full flush 10 minute chunk about a place.

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  Joe, he's a special talent.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  That's

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  He's a special talent.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've never seen anything like that.

• 18:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's very special. And, you know, and it's also like, you got to realize, he's doing these jokes in front of 16,000 people for the first time. He's got a new joke, and he's busting it out in front of 16,000 people about their area.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that shit he did in Hawaii about the chickens being so confident?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Joe, I was the black guy. We got out the van, and he saw the chickens run up to me, he's like, these chickens are too confident, dawg. They don't know Derek and we're dying and it's a form bit later that night and it's like this guy is incredible.

• 18:49Joe Rogan?

  And that's, that's another example. Like what is he doing? How's he doing that to that crowd with those great jokes? Like he's like, he's locking those people in or they're, you're letting him think for you. Like, come on, man. Think for me. Let me have a good time and think for me.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And not only that, but you're talking about my own personal experience in Hawaii.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  And now you're going into your set and you have me. You have me completely wrapped around.

• 19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're a pro.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  It was insane.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  He's, um, he keeps getting better.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  It's, I mean.

• 19:16Joe Rogan?

  He was good when I first saw him a few years back, but man, he just keeps getting better.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Well, like you said earlier, how to see people do different hours.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  You know what else he did too though?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  It's different in life.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  People forget, he was like the first guy to really capitalize on the pandemic with his, uh, videos. Where he essentially created a completely new kind of stand-up, right? So they'd stand up without the pauses that you would require if an audience was laughing. So he's, it's more rapid paced. Like he thought this through, dude. This is like a genius thing. Those things turn your phone sideways. So that's what you used to have to do back in the day, kids. Back five years ago. All you fucking 15 year olds when you were 10, you didn't know about this. But you, when you turn your phone sideways and then it would be, it would play out in wide format. And he would kinda do stand-up with images and with punchlines and it was fucking great.

• 20:10Joe Rogan?

  But it was a way faster pace than he does stand-up on stage. It was like the punchlines, and then you're this and you're that and duh, duh, duh, duh. And I'm like, oh my God, he figured it out. He figured out how to make like really compelling stand-up for someone who's not there.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Well, it's like a, it's like a, a late night monologue from one of those late night hosts, but like a real motherfucker doing it. And really giving their actual opinion.

• 20:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. It's genius. Cause like that was an example of someone innovating in like a crisis. Like there's a situation that happened, you're forced to, everyone, you know, some, like during the pandemic, some people just curled up in a shell and decided, I'm not leaving my house anymore. And then some people are like, okay, what can we do? What can we do? Okay. I'm gonna figure out how to do stand up in this little video format. Turn your phone sideways.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  And then everybody started sharing them and some of, and then Netflix does a thing, you know, Andrew Schultz Saves America.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Andrew Schultz Saves America, yeah.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which, uh, I don't think you, they should get their money back because he didn't save America. How dare you?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, some of those people are still trapped in the house.

• 21:14Joe Rogan?

  It's crazier than ever right now, Andrew.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  But yeah, he, he did, I mean, with, even with clips.

• 21:20Joe Rogan?

  Genius, genius.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  It's him. I give him that credit of like.

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he does it all the time. And he also, you know, because his stuff is local and a lot of it, um, like these opening bits that he comes up with are, you, you kinda have to get them out now.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:33Joe Rogan?

  Right? So, so he can just release them on like the fucking, when, uh, we did the P Diddy thing when he went to LA.

• 21:40Joe Rogan?

  That's just at P Diddy's house?

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Brother, brother, he wrote that shit 10 minutes before he walked up into the forum. 20,000 people, 20,000 people, he wrote it 10 minutes. And it was the cra- and me and Mark Agnon are sitting there like, holy fuck, how did he come up with this? We were just hanging with him.

• 21:56Joe Rogan?

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• 23:15Joe Rogan?

  It's sort of like um when you have a muscle to do something and you do that thing all the time, then you just get better and better and better at doing that thing and then you get in the groove. Like you, like we were talking about like Attell, like Theo, like when someone gets in the groove of who they are, you know, like, like Tony is on Kill Tony. Perfect example.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  He's locked in, he's in the groove. He's been doing it so long, he knows when to dance and when to pause.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  When asked a serious question, when to get goofy, when to let the, the panel know. It's pretty impressive, man.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  If you can find something like that to do in your life, you will have a much better life than if you just get a job. And I know, that's not for, not everybody can, but if you can, you definitely should.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you definitely should do that.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Being excited for every day and nervous and anxious and, and all this, that, that feeling, I mean, to not have it, I can't believe people go, I don't, I get having, you gotta go to work, you gotta make money, but the idea of like, man, never that feeling of anxiety and looking forward to something and, and it not going the way you planned. And so you gotta go the next day and figure out what went wrong and like, I love that. That's what I love about stand-up, the figuring it out, the math of it all.

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's a great job, man. We're so fucking lucky.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  We're so lucky.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  God, you've been in it long enough to see everybody. Did you see this thing Damon Wayans said about you?

• 24:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said he stole a lot of my jokes.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went to talk to you about that. But the way he said it, I've never seen someone say, I stole a joke and I, he was like, man, I, I got, he said, I saw it and then I actually realized I stole Joe's joke and I was like, oh, I gotta stop watching motherfuckers. It just stuck in the back of his head. But I know you give him his flowers, so I was like, oh, no, the guy's not a joke thief, like.

• 24:52Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. That happens, man. Sometimes you, you think you came up with it, but somebody else did and you heard it and you forgot. That can definitely, especially if it's a subject that you never cover and time has passed and then the, the subject comes up, like something comes up and you, you're like, it almost kind of, like David Tell's the best at that. He'll call you up because you have to check sometimes, like, hey, have you heard this? You know, like you have like, he's the best at that. Dave does that all the time. Like, you gotta check every now and then. Like, this one seems too easy because the memory is weird. You know, memory's weird. You ever go back to like your old neighborhood where you grew up and you're like, this house is way smaller than I thought it was.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  It was a mansion.

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  This is all different. The driveway's different. Everything's different. Looks weird. You know, your memory's shitty. It's good. I mean, it, it keeps you from fucking picking up the wrong spider. But you know what I mean? It's not, it's not a photographic representation of reality. And that's a problem.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  And you guys have been doing stand-up 20 years, and how many bits have you seen?

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Seen too many bits, yeah. So you can, and then, you know, there's parallel thinking. There's a lot, but you know when someone's a thief, and Damon's not a thief. I always said that Damon may, he might be one of the most underappreciated comics ever. Because, like, when he was in his prime, you gotta realize, he was like, you know, if you're looking at today, he was like Chappelle. He was like in this, that same level of recognition, as being like, one of the best guys alive. But then they got him with those TV shows, man.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  And movies, he wanted to be a movie star.

• 26:19Joe Rogan?

  Last Boy Scout, he was gonna be a movie star, he did that big Bruce Willis movie. And it was a good movie.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:24Joe Rogan?

  And then it looked like he was gonna be a movie star after that.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  I mean, he had some great, like Blank Man, where he's a retarded superhero.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  That was so ridiculous, try doing that today.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  You couldn't do that, so good!

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  What he used to do Handyman on In Living Color?

• 26:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  They might be one of the greatest families, the Waynes family.

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  For sure, who's, who's number two, they're number one.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  They might be one and two, Joe, I, I don't know who.

• 26:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, what other families are there that are like, big show, not in comedy? What other family, am I missing something, am I forgetting somebody?

• 26:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I know, In Living Color was so big.

• 26:58Joe Rogan?

  It's like them and then the Sklar Brothers.

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's no other families. There's nobody in the hunt.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  In Living Color is so big, Joe, did you know this, that? The reason we have the Super Bowl halftime show is because of In Living Color.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  So, In Living Color.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Really, is that true?

• 27:17Speaker 02

  That's true, so before Michael Jackson did, when they, the year they brought Michael Jackson, was because the year before that, In Living Color aired during the Super Bowl.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  And they lost so many viewers, they lost like a, a, a, not half, a, a big number where, that they were like, "We can't let people leave during the halftime show, because this show is too big."

• 27:35Joe Rogan?

  What year was that?

• 27:36Speaker 02

  I wanna say Michael Jackson was 95, maybe 96?

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  It had to be earlier than that.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Maybe 94?

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  It had to be earlier than that, because I remember watching it on TV at a pool hall. Ninety-three. Yeah. Ninety-three. So I was just moving to New York, uh, to LA from New York then. So I was in New York at a pool hall watching it. And I remember watching Farmall Shabill. And I'll be like, how can you do this? How is this allowed? Like, this show's crazy. You have to realize for ninety-three, there was nothing like. Like, if you think about the internet today and all the crazy videos that people put together and the years of Mad TV and... SNL. Yeah. But back then? Back then, man, there was nothing like this show. This show was crazy.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Paulie's here.

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  That is Paulie. Oh, my God, that is Paulie, right in the corner. Oh, look at Paulie. The weeds. Look at him, he's moving the head like a pigeon, bro. He's here now, too. Yeah, I know. And they're fun hanging out with Paulie. It's like being at the store, man. It's the best. But, uh... But this, this is unreal, how big this was. The show was great, but Damon, you watch, if you want to watch something, watch, uh, uh, the... I think it's The Last Stand. I think that was one of his, uh, I think that's the name of it. Something like, I think it's The Last Stand, but it's fucking phenomenal. And it's, it's so, it's so good, but it's also like so good if you go back to that time. Cause comedy, like everything else, has evolved with all the scrutiny on it and all the different high-level people that are doing it.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's the comedy right now, I think, is at like the highest level that I've ever seen. There's so many really great comedians. I, I think in the nineteen eighties, like, if you go back, you had Kennison, you had Eddie Murphy, you had Richard Pryor, you had George Carlin, you had a bunch of really good guys, Jerry Seinfeld. But that many after that, you know, wasn't as thick. Yeah. As thick with assassins. But I think like right now, there's so many assassins out there. There's more arena acts out there right now than has ever been in the history of comedy. Yeah. You gotta realize, arena acts started with Dice Clay.

• 29:48Joe Rogan?

  So Dice Clay starts off becoming, he becomes an arena act in like eighty-seven-ish? Late eighties. That's when arena act comedy started. Mm-hmm. Before, and nobody was doing it but Dice. Dice was the only arena act. Yeah, and then arena act number two, Dane Cook. And that's how many years later? Um, many, cuz this is like Dane Cook's becomes an arena act in like the two thousands. Wow. Yeah, so then there's Dane Cook. Dane Cook starts selling on arenas, like, what is happening? What is happening? And then, um, all of a sudden, the internet happens and social media happens.

• 30:27Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of comics, like we were talking about like Dave Attell and Colin Quinn. Like Dave Attell's one of the best to ever do it. And if there's ever a club where he's not sold out the moment it's on stage, it's a travesty. It doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make sense. But they, they didn't connect to the internet the same way. And because that, their, the notoriety is not commensurate to the talent. Whereas like with Schultz, the notoriety and the talent are perfectly balanced. It's the same, it's the same level. So everybody knows how good he is and everybody knows who he is. It's like, it's locked in where it's like Dave Attell is this.

• 31:11Joe Rogan?

  But like the notoriety is like us talking about him only. Word of mouth only. His social media is hot garbage. He's got a flip phone. He's got a flip phone. And he texts you with the doot doot doot doot. He's gotta press four times to get a R or whatever the fuck it is. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's crazy he does it like that. It's crazy he does it like that. Like, why do you do it like that? Cuz he could be on the internet more. I mean, I remember when he had that show, Insomniac, that's when I first saw him. Let me throw this at you because I've been trying to stay off social media more and more every day, like a little less every day. And the more I do it, the better I feel. It's like not being poisoned. It really is. It's like getting away from a poison that you didn't know was a poison, like some

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  like forever plastics in your Starbucks cup or something, you know? Yeah, I quit those Starbucks cups and all of a sudden I, you know what I mean? It's like something like that. Like I quit drinking tap water and all of a sudden I can think better, you know?

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Steve Martin sold forty-five thousand tickets in seventy-eight. Oh my god, that's right. You know. I don't know if anybody else before that. We always, people forget about him. I forgot about Steve Martin for two reasons. One, uh, cause Steve Martin was a little different. He was doing stand-up, but it was a lot of songs. And it was, you know what I mean? He was great, by the way. Like, Let's Get Small is phenomenal. But I think he got to a point where comedy became too easy. Because, and so he didn't know what was funny anymore because everybody loved him so much. And he stopped doing stand-up, which is really weird. Wow. Probably didn't have good friends. Yeah, cause. If he had good friends, we would've grabbed him, like, we'd grab Ron White. Remember when Ron White was trying to quit? Retired, yeah. Like, I'm gonna retire. I go, what the fuck are you talking about? Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Isn't comedy fun?

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's like, yeah, it is. So keep doing fun things. What the fuck is wrong with you? Like, I, I can't believe I have to give them this advice. Like, you're Ron White. How are you thinking about, how could you, how much fun are you having when you're killing up there? But I think that was the drinking thing, too, man. Yeah, he's sober now. Yeah, it was drinking, and it was also he needed a tribe. You know, and he had the tribe a little bit when he was in California. You know, but he was always on the road a lot, you know, and he just decided that being in the center of the country was better. So he was like patient zero of the Austin Revolution. Yeah. Like, a lot of people think it was me, but it was really Ron. Because I came here knowing that Ron was here. I was like, at the very least, Ron's here. You know? It's two of us.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, I'm not living like this in California. You're not doing this to me. I know what you're doing. I was like, the, the, the fucking caged animal in me is like, I'm getting out. This is not, this is gonna go sideways. I'm not gonna be a part of this. Yeah. Fuck you. I'm like, okay, at least Ron's there. I was like, my life is gonna be worse than it ever was before. My life is gonna be, all my friends are gone, they're not here. I'm in the middle of the country, maybe I'll see him every now and then, maybe I'll have to book shows to see them. But at least Ron's here. That's, that's what I decided.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Patient zero.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was patient zero. So, you know.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  And now he hangs out every night. And we get Ron every night.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's lovely.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  He's the.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  He's lovely.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  We were hanging one time. This is my favorite Ron story. And it's me, it's just me, you and Ron in the green room. And you gifted him a really nice Rolex. And you guys were having a sweet moment. And I, I couldn't believe I was there to see it. I was like, damn, this is really cool. And you gifted it to him and y'all were having a conversation like, wow. And he takes off his Rolex and he tosses it to me. He goes, there you go, Derek. And I go, holy shit, Ron, for real? And he says, fuck no, bro. Give me my Rolex. Give my Rolex back, you idiot. And then you went, so you go, that's the most fucked up shit I've ever seen, Ron.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  I forgot about that until right now. That was so evil.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  You literally were like, Ron, why would you do that?

• 34:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I thought everybody was just giving out Rolexes up for this bitch.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  I just thought that was gonna be a great moment. And my face was like.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that's hilarious.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  But he's the man, dude. I, I can't believe I'm friends with him. Cause I've been a fan since I was a kid.

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  I feel that same way. Yeah. I feel that way about a lot of guys. Like, I can't believe I'm friends with you. It's nice. It's nice. Well, that's good, right? You never stop being both a fan and a person who does it.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:14Joe Rogan?

  I try to separate it. Um, I try to separate me as a comic offstage versus me as a comic onstage. I really do. You know, so I could just be a fan.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  Cause when I was younger, I used to watch someone going, ah, I would do it differently. Like, if they suck, I'll do that. If they suck, I'll go like, oh, that premise. I, I, I think, ah, you're not explaining this very well. You know what I mean? I, I'll start picking it apart that way. But I like to just be a fan. I don't like to just watch. Cause I think a lot of people are real hesitant to give up flowers. Right? As you know, kids like to say.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

  But the reason why is because they don't feel good about comparing themselves to this person who may be doing better than them. So they, there's a feeling like, ah, he's all right. He's all right. There's a little bit of that, you know, which I don't, I don't like that.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense to me either. Cause watching this game, i- i- for the 10 years I've been doing it, it's like, oh, like. There's no, like, everyone tells me that Sebastian used to, was like, nobody knew that he was gonna be the big, one of the biggest arena acts we've ever seen, when he first started, when he was coming around.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta figure it out.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, be like, "Oh, he was good, but you didn't see that for him." So it's like, oh, there is no point to judge somebody harshly, because his game is long, is...

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the game's long, and you figure things out. I was terrible when I started. There's no way to not be. Especially me. I was socially retarded. I've been hit in the head a hundred and fifty thousand times. I mean, there's some fucking issues there. There were some issues. And I was socially retarded, because I spent, like, from age fifteen to twenty-one, just did nothing but travel around the country fighting people. That's all I did. So my version of a young adulthood was very weird. Like, it was a hundred percent competition.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  That was all it was. You know, that's all I did.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Well, when you hear Joey talk about you when you were younger, like, "Oh, he was an animal." You know, like, "Joe was just an animal," before you apparently started smoking weed. He was like, "You were way more different about it."

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  But I think a lot of fighters have a hard time transitioning into being a regular person. And I was only an amateur fighter. You know, I was, I couldn't imagine being a guy like, you know, like Dustin Poirier, who's about to retire. You know, like, transitioning to being a regular person, when he's been this fucking savage.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Killer.

• 37:27Joe Rogan?

  For so long, for so long, at the highest le, like, that's like the highest level in the world. Inside the octagon, knocks out Conor McGregor.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:37Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, "Waaahhh!" And that guy's got to transition to being a regular person. For me, there was no screaming crowds. It was weird high school auditoriums, and trying to give people concussions. That's all it was. That was all it was. So, but, there was no glory and no money, and it cost me some of my health, you know, for sure. There's, you know, and, and fear. Constantly living in a state of anxiety that you're gonna have to fight again soon. Constantly, constantly. And for some weird reason, I was always like, "Why am I doing this to myself? I don't have to do this." Like, this isn't, doesn't pay me any money. I don't have to do it. Why am I, why do I keep signing up to do this?

• 38:21Joe Rogan?

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• 40:05Speaker 02

  Did you ever have any ambition to go pro, to take it to the next level?

• 40:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but there was no money. I remember I got offered $500 to do a kickboxing fight. And so if I did that kickboxing fight, I couldn't fight amateur anymore. And I was like, $500. So then I can't, like if I ever decided to like try to compete in the Olympics again, because I was trying to get on the national team to compete in the Olympics. But somewhere along the line. I got a little disenchanted with Taekwondo and one of the ways that it happened is I started kickboxing and I started getting beat up because my hands were dogshit. So like I was really good kicking, but if I got into boxing exchanges, I was terrible. My chin was up in the air, I was fucking swinging punches like a bitch. It was awful. I get hit really hard. If I hit you, you're in trouble, but it was not good. And so I realized like, oh, there's a giant flaw in this, like for actual real fights.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  There's a giant flaw in this. And as soon as I started kickboxing, particularly this friend of mine who was a really good boxer, Dana Rosenblatt, he was one of my training partners and he became New England middleweight champion. He beat Vinnie Pazienza in a decision. He lost to him one fight and then beat him in a decision. He was legit. He knocked out Howard Davis Jr., who was an Olympic gold medalist. He was a bad motherfucker and he also, when I was training with him, made me realize that I didn't really want to do this anymore. That I was just doing this because I had done it my whole life and this was like what I decided I was doing. Then I was like, not only is there no future in this, there's a lot of brain damage coming my way.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  Like 100%, I'm getting it right now and, you know, just sparring with Dana, me and him sparring, I don't know how many times we sparred, but we would beat the fuck out of each other, dude. Damn, really? Oh, it was horrible. Yeah, I'd go home with headaches. And if we were in boxing range, he was tuning me up, so I was always trying to stay on the outside because his hands were way better than mine, but we cracked each other. Oh, you and Dana White would fight? No, no, no, no. My friend Dana Rosenblatt. Okay, I was like. No, no, no. But if me and Dana were friends, we would do that too. I sparred with a lot of my friends. We beat the shit out of each other. It was horrible, but that's what you have to do. You know what the beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu is above kickboxing is you don't have this kind of animosity with your sparring partners.

• 42:20Joe Rogan?

  Because like if you're in a good gym, in kickboxing, you're always hurting each other. And he's like, even if you love a guy and you spar with him, you're always hurting each other. So you always have this thing where you're like, fuck that dude. That dude gave me a fucking headache. You think about getting him back, like you think about he cracked you with a left hook. You're like, I am gonna get him back. I can't wait to get him back. Whereas with jujitsu, you can't wait to tap somebody, but you're not hurting each other. You know, if you get hurt, it's an accident. The, the injuries in jujitsu are usually either strain related, or you know, you didn't tap. Right? It's either you strained to get out of something, or you pulled yourself the wrong way, or you didn't tap. Put it in kickboxing, like you're getting, your legs are getting fucked up every day. Wham, wham, no matter what.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  And those pads, they help a little.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Damn, and they're huge, Joe, those pads. When they look like it, when I watch.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they help a little. Yeah, if somebody kicks you, like if Israel Adesanya kicks you with one of those pads on, that's you can't, you can't believe

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  The kind of agony that's involved in that way to make a living. So I was only doing it because I, I didn't know what to do. I was still, but I wasn't the same person that I used to be. I was, at one point in time, I was just a mad dog. And then I realized like, I'm gonna get really hurt and there's no future in this. You know?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Wow. Were you already one foot in, one foot out, or did you just stop? Two feet in, but you were like, I'm done.

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  You know what it was really? I had one fight, when I fought, I fought in the nationals in Anaheim. And I beat the first guy, so I got into the second round. And the second guy was this kid, I think he was from Illinois, I don't remember. But he was like, super aggressive. And I hit him with the hardest wheel kick I've ever thrown in my life. It was perfect. He charged in with like a, a, a left switch kick. So he was like, uh, did a hopping roundhouse kick off the left side. And I recognized it right away, there was a pattern. He was making this pattern when he was moving. He would do this thing, and then he would always do this. He would do this thing, and then he would always do this. So I saw that pattern, and I said, here it comes. And so he went with his hopping roundhouse kick, I countered with this wheel kick.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  And I hit him so hard that my heel was sore for days. I was limping for days. Because the way my heel bounced off his face. And he face planted, snoring, like they snore when they go out. Have you ever seen anybody get knocked out?

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, on the internet, of course you have. Yeah. I'd seen it a few times in the gym. It's spooky. It's spooky. And so, my thing what I would always do when I knock somebody out is walk away like it was nothing. Like, that's what I always do. Like, that's what I do. Yeah. I just, I didn't celebrate. I just would turn my head and walk away. Oh. And I was talking to my friend Junksek, who was, uh, he was US national champion. He was a training partner. He was sitting in a seat and I said, I'm never gonna, I'm like, is he moving? He's like, he hasn't gotten up. And so then they get him an ambulance. And so, they put this kid on a stretcher and they have him sitting out there for thirty minutes. And he's just on the stretcher for thirty minutes. And then they bring him in the ambulance and they take him to the hospital.

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, yo. When he said he wasn't moving yet, did you feel like? Yeah, he could be dead. So this is what scared me. So I had this trainer, uh, my, or this instructor, uh, who's like one of the best Taekwondo instructors in the world. And I say to him, um, you know, uh, well, he said to me, he said, uh, he goes, I heard you had a really good knockout at the Nationals. And I said, yes, sir. I said, it was, uh, it was kinda scary because, uh, I thought, like, I thought for a while that he was dead. And he goes, sometimes they die. And he walked away. I was like, oh, Jesus.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. And he was fucking serious. Like he was in Rocky IV or some shit? He used to train troops in Vietnam. Like, he was a hardcore dude. He was hardcore. Oh, my God. Sometimes they die? How sometimes they die. Yeah. I think it was Vietnam where he trained troops. I forget where he trained troops. But he was like an elite Taekwondo instructor and he was, uh, his mind was like, his name is Master Jay Hun Kim and he's the guy who runs the Jay Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute. Like, that's his business. And that's the place where I camp. And he was like one of the few guys that was trained under General Che Young Yi, who was, um, the founder of Taekwondo. So like, there's a handful of black belts that were trained by this one guy.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  So it was like a different style. So their style was very violent and very power oriented. Whereas there was like an Olympic style that was emerged, that was emerging, that was very points oriented. It was just move fast and like tap and score. And they would yell and shit like that, like every time they'd hit, they'd scream out. And so the Olympic style was more effective at winning tournaments. And so the best guys were adopting like this Olympic style, but there was an older style that was just. Maybe they telegraphed the moves a little bit more and maybe it was a little slow, but the impact was very different. Those guys were killers. They were knocking people unconscious. It was very scary. So that's the gym that I grew up in.

• 47:33Joe Rogan?

  So I, I had this very fortunate place that I just stumbled into. It happened to be like one of the best Taekwondo gyms in the country, especially for generating power. Because they like really emphasized heavy back work, like he really emphasized heavy back work. It's like you have to generate power. If you hit somebody and it doesn't hurt, that's ridiculous. You got, you gotta, you gotta be able to hit someone to just put them out.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Would you get into a lot of street fights?

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Before this or?

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Even before, before Taekwondo?

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  No, no. Before Taekwondo, I was a pussy.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Really?

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I couldn't fight at all. So like, why would I get in fights? I was trying to get away from fights. I tried to avoid everybody. I was terrified.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 48:14Joe Rogan?

  So I just got tired of being fucked with because I was a pussy. Cause I would get nervous, because I moved around a lot. I didn't have a lot of friends. We, we moved a bunch of times when I was a kid. So it was always around new kids and I wasn't big, so they would fuck with me. You know, it's just normal. And I didn't know how to fight, so it bothered the shit out of me. So I'm like, well, there's only one solution. You, you know, you gotta become what you're scared of.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  So you put yourself into Taekwondo? You were like, hey, I wanna do this.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I got a job, started working, washing dishes at Newport Creamery, got enough money. So I could take Taekwondo lessons.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Holy shit, Joe.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  And then I started going every day. So after a while, he realized like it would be better if I was just there all the time instead of working. And so he gave me a job.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  I did not know that about you, dude.

• 49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I was teaching. So I started teaching when I was like fifteen. I was teaching people when I was fifteen. And then when I was nineteen, I was teaching at Boston University. I used to teach a class, accredited class. It was a pass fail A. And I would tell everybody, it would count towards your GPA. So I'd say, if you come here, you get an A. That's all I have to do. Just try. You're gonna get an A. And it counts towards your GPA. And I'd tell them that in the beginning of the class. I go, if you can't come, if you can't make it, just call me and tell me that you can't make it, but I want you to come, I want you to come every time you can. And if you do that, I'm gonna get you better. And we're, we're all gonna learn something. We're gonna, I'm gonna really get into this. So I was really good at teaching.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Really, really into teaching.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  That's how you were in there, in the gym when we work out. You had that same energy. So it's like, oh, that came from a place.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's what I was doing for a living. So from fifteen to nineteen, I was just teaching. So what the, what my instructor allowed me to do, I guess I was training after about six months or so, he, he said, look, this is, you could train here for free. All you have to do is teach private lessons. And I was like, great. So I would teach people, the new people. I would teach them how to bow. I'd teach them how to tie their gi on. I would teach them how to stand. I would teach them different, different techniques. And I would go through them and get them so they're ready to join into group classes. Cause you couldn't just go into group classes. You wouldn't know what you're doing.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  Like that, like front kick, you're like, ooh, looking around. Someone's gotta teach you how to do it. So it was always like a big deal to let like one of your little birds loose into the main class. Like you teach them, get their front kick going, get the side kick going. They go through a series of private lessons. I tell them to practice on their own, use the mirror, give them a bunch of like things to think about as they break down the movements.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  And you just literally, I've seen you do it in there. That is what the mothership is. It's really just a fucking dojo to get better. And everything is about everyone pushing each other to get better and like learning together.

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  It's like, oh my gosh, you've been on this teachership.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's also what my instructor explained to me when I was really young too. Like, I, I say this all the time. And I even said it on the podcast yesterday. Martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. That's what it is. It's just you're using martial arts as a way to get better at life. Because this is a really hard thing, and if you could do this really hard thing, other things won't be as hard. You'll be able to, you'll have more mental and physical horsepower for regular everyday life. You'll have more ability to overcome adversity and weird moments, uncomfortable moments. You're used to being uncomfortable. It's fine, you'll be fine. It's different.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 51:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  See, I came up, I played football, college football, like I was a football player my whole life. And that was-

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  That's, bro, that was another one for breaking down.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  That's-

• 51:44Joe Rogan?

  How's your head? How's your head, dawg?

• 51:47Speaker 02

  I'm addicted to training porn, I have some problems. So, I got some problems, I got some demons, dude. But, I agree, but the idea of like, because that's so yourself, you're dealing with, fighting, you're dealing with yourself.

• 51:57Joe Rogan?

  You're always yourself.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Whereas, I, I, I came, my whole thing was team, team. You get to lean on people, you're leaning on each other, and, and that's what's making you better is, is how do we play the best as a group?

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  You know?

• 52:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's great too, and I think that's probably more beneficial to society, is learning how to play in a team. My problem was like, you know, when I-

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Look at Derek. I was a bad motherfucker, dude.

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  Bro, look at you, handsome off thin. Look at you, so handsome. You're a good look, you look like a fucking model, dawg. Look at you.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  I went to one of the, that's one of the top high school football schools in the country.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  We gotta get you back to looking like that. You could look like that again.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  I know.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta lay off the card.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  They're so good. They're so good, Derek. Hot Cheetos and pasta.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  They're so good.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  And then just, because you stopped, you told me the other day you haven't been drinking again, you stopped drinking, right?

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's been more than a month now.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  A month and some weeks.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  You walked in and you were like, "Three weeks off, boys." And I said, "Jesus, fuck, dude."

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  Bro, all, I had all this fucking side fat and belly fat that just went away. But, but, most importantly, I just feel better. Like, I never have days where I'm recovering from being drunk. Like, I sound like shit now because I have allergies, which is hilarious, because I always made fun of people. I was like, they're like, "Yeah, in three to five years, you'll get allergies." I'm like, "Shut up, pussy." I'm not getting these fucking bitch ass allergies you guys get. Now here I am, pff.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you wipe it in your eyes.

• 53:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's so annoying. It's so annoying for, for everybody to be right.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, my wife gets me on that honey natural. If you get honey from a local honey, it gets rid of your allergies.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that too, but the lady that we had in here that was a beekeeper says it's bullshit.

• 53:38Joe Rogan?

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• 55:26Joe Rogan?

  Visit lifelock.com and save up to 30% your first year with the promo code JRE. That's promo code JRE or go to lifelock.com/jre for 30% off. Terms apply. Yeah. Not only that, she said most honey that like, not most, she said a lot of honey that you buy in the store is not really honey. Yeah, they they fuck you. They put like corn syrup and some fucking this and that and yeah, they've they they have fake honey. Fuck, man. Isn't that crazy? Is anything real? Isn't that crazy? Why would they do that? China. They're getting us. They're like, these dummies that are gonna check.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember what she said, Jamie? What percentage she said? But she did say that a lot of honey was fake honey, right? Bro. It doesn't make sense, because that's such a thing that's been natural in my head since the dawn of time, right? Honey. Have you ever seen those cats that, uh, in the Himalayas? I think it's in, is it Tibet? Where is it where they get that, um, psychedelic honey? Called mad honey? Remember, Jamie? Who brought that in for us? We did it during the show. Yeah, we drank, we took some mad honey during the show. How was the trip?

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Sonny from Best Ever.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  That's right. Shout out to Sonny. Um, uh, it wasn't, I mean, I was fine. Really didn't do anything that crazy. You definitely knew that you were on something. But we, he was like, take a little bit. I'm like, fuck this. Give me a teaspoon. I took the whole teaspoon. I'm like, let's go. I'm like, if wanna, I wanna go. Like Joey Diaz always says, I wanna meet the devil. Fuck your microdosing. I'm trying to meet the devil. You guys are fucking crazy.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  I would see you do that before stage. You would take a full nugget of a mushroom. Shh, don't tell the, the police are listening. You were eating something. I don't know what it was. I think that that is the first thing we have to make legal. We gotta get Trump on mushrooms.

• 57:26Joe Rogan?

  Just get him to have a little microdose. He'd be like, I'm really killing the game. You are killing the game, sir. My wife is hot. These mushrooms are great. Yeah. God, that'd be crazy to him on mushrooms. Oh, my God. Every politician should be on mushrooms. All wars would end. Do you know how crazy that is for me to say that? And it's also true. It sounds so stupid, also because it's me and I'm stupid. But if I, but if like a, a scholar, if someone who you really trusted, the pinnacle of science today said, if we could just go get the whole world on mushrooms, the whole, all the wars would stop. It's definitely believable. Everyone would stop dehumanizing people. Everyone would stop treating people like others. Everyone would realize like, oh, wow.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  We're, we're really all connected in some bizarre way that's difficult to interface with sometimes. But we're all connected. We get selfish and we think about ourself only. But if we cannot, like that's like one of the beautiful things about camaraderie and community. If you cannot, then you all sort of like lock in, you realize like we're all experiencing this thing together. We're all like one thing that's separated by biology. But our our soul, our spirit, our whatever it is that is us inside of our meat bag.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  Is a soul and it's connected to all the other souls in some strange way. And if you can figure out, it's almost like you're listening to some, it's almost like there's jackhammers going off around you, but you hear a really good song in the distance. Like, God, I can almost hear that song.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Almost beautiful, yeah.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, you ever be in a restaurant and everybody's talking, but there's just some jam is playing on the radio? And you're like, God, I can almost hear that song.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, just a Marvin Gaye seeping through.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  That's what it's like. That's what it's like. I think there's different strategies that people use to try to get there. And I think God is one of them. Like even the concept of God, I think what you're trying to do is to get to that place where you recognize, like through strategies of like tactics of following commandments and having a mindset and and giving all your faith to Jesus and all your faith to you like just by act of doing that, what you're doing is you're trying to get closer and closer to whatever the fuck that that beautiful, beautiful song is that's playing amongst all the noise. Cause you know it's there. It's just like, you hear.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I, oh my, I remember, I don't know who this comic said this, but it was great. I always talk about this joke, but he said how people think they're Americans or Chinese or whatever, but we're all on this planet, like just zoom out. Whatever you think you are, just zoom out a little bit.

• 1:00:09Joe Rogan?

  It's a trap. It's just like the Republican Democrat trap. It's just like the Texas California trap. Shut up. We're all just people. We're all people. And you feel, that's one of the beautiful things about traveling. You meet friends in Scotland, you meet friends in Ireland, you meet friends in Australia.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Fucking.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Like people are just people, man. We're just all people. We just, we adapt to whatever our environment is, we adapt to the culture, the way people sound their words out, you know?

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:00:34Joe Rogan?

  I want to fit in. If you want to fit in, you move to the south, you start saying y'all, you know? Have you said y'all yet?

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  I say y'all.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  When did you start?

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  But I'm, I'm from Memphis, Tennessee.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  So I'm a little southern boy.

• 1:00:47Joe Rogan?

  So you've always had, yeah, you've always had a y'all pass.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been a y'all, I've been a y'all.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  I was born in New Jersey and I'm mostly Italian. For me, y'all is a stretch. That's a, that's, I don't want to be disingenuous.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Does it ever come out of you?

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Never?

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  For funsies. Yeah, but it never accidentally comes out. Like, y'all, y'all gonna go, you know, that, you know. I'm 57.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Joe Rogan?

  I say you. Are you guys, it's like.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Like accents are weird, man. You don't realize you have them until you hear them and you're like, whoa, why do I sound like that?

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  And it's impressive when you see people who can do them.

• 1:01:22Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know I had a, a deep Boston accent until I was on television for the first time. When I was 19, I won the Bay State Games and I was on this like, local TV news thing and I got a chance to hear myself on TV. I was like, oh my God, I sound like a fucking idiot. Like.

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Like heavy Boston accent.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't have it as bad.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  I got rid of it.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, that's a dumbass accent.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  But then you started talking to everybody with a million different accents on this pod, so you, I'm sure you've heard all the different versions.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  You get neutral after a while, I think. Your, your voice gets neutral.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  But you're not all the way like newscaster neutral where it's just that.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  And now, that kind of shit.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  The opposite of comedy, right? Cause that doesn't hypnotize anybody.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  When that guy's talking the news, like, this is a presentation from NBC News. Look at my tie, look at the pocket square.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  I'm serious.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  I am a serious person. Most of those guys are freaks. That's what I, I love when those guys get caught.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Those guys are just doing coke and banging hookers.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  In a harem of gay men. It's insane the things they do.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Punching valets or animals. These guys are, and then, but on television, I present the news. Meanwhile, they're wearing a cock ring and.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Fucking freaks. All those like, all those people that pretend to be proper, those are the ones you gotta keep your eye on.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, they never have real opinions either. It's all just whatever. It's just a job.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Bill Cosby was the guy who pushed the most for clean comedy.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, isn't that crazy?

• 1:02:55Joe Rogan?

  That's, is it though? Is it though? Like, like scolding everybody for their language and their subject matter? He was scold comedians.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  That Eddie Murphy bit is so good though, when he told Richard Pryor that Bill Cosby, he's like, you making money? Yeah.

• 1:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Do the people laugh? Do you get paid? Tell Bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  That's one of the greatest jokes of all time, dude. It's so good.

• 1:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was so good too because Eddie Murphy could do such good impressions.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  And all the accents.

• 1:03:26Joe Rogan?

  He's another one, like this is stop doing comedy. Like Eddie Murphy would have been bigger than all of them. All the arena acts we were talking about before, Eddie Murphy would have been bigger, bigger. Bro, he was so good. He was so powerful. Go back and watch Delirious. Oh my God, he was like 20.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Hey, that's what's crazy. Whenever I do watch Delirious, I'm like.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  He was like 20.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  And he's got full command of this, what, 4,000 seater, 5,000 seater?

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Murdering. Wearing a leather jumpsuit or some shit.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Chest out. Fucking abs out, dude. Oh my God.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This is crazy. It's, but it's interesting, like people, people, the path they choose in life, you know?

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Movies, movies be calling.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a velvet prison.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard you say that to Hassan once about writing jobs. He's like, it's a velvet prison.

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  That's another velvet prison. But like, I'm sure Damon Wayans had a good time making all those TV shows. But wouldn't it been amazing to see him being this guy that's like selling out arenas all over the world? Like, that's where it should be.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  And he would still be doing it right now.

• 1:04:29Joe Rogan?

  He could do it right now. He could just abandon all that TV nonsense right now and go back to it and still be one of the best alive. You know, that guy records like every show. He has a camera that he takes with him on a tripod. He sets it up, he records every fucking show and he puts them all on his computer. He goes, I've been doing this since 94. I'm like, wow.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's so many fi- and how many specials he had? He doesn't have-

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  No, doesn't have a lot of specials.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Compared to other guys where you see-

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Not compared to how good he is.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Doesn't make sense.

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's crazy. You just, you know, someone's paying you, you go, you enjoy your work, you like it. You know, there's nothing wrong with those decisions. And he's obviously very successful. But, you know, when, you gotta think, like, when you see guys like Schultz selling out arenas and Burt selling out arenas and Tony selling out arenas and it's like, "Don't you wanna get in on that?" Like, "Come on, man. Talk to me, Damon. I'll help you. I'll help you."

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, that'd be sick to see him make a comeback like that.

• 1:05:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would love to see him do that. I just think, after a while, do you really wanna work for somebody? Do you really wanna show up and, you know, read the script and do the table? I mean, do you wanna do that?

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  I love just showing up eight o'clock. Oh, man, get up four or five times in a night. Oh, there's nothing. I love it, dude. I mean, the idea of doing some stuff seems fun, but to make it my- I saw Seinfeld say that. He was like, "Man, it's one of the, we have one of the few jobs where people want this job."

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  How many, like, very rarely do I see it. I don't know, there's no job where I'm like, "I'd like to, really like to be that."

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  This is the job.

• 1:06:07Joe Rogan?

  It's one of them, that's for sure. Rockstar is probably the big one.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Rockstar's probably the biggest?

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  But I don't-

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  See, the rock star thing, they could sing the same ass song every night forever.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're the Rolling Stones, you could still sing Brown Sugar.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Can't sing it anymore. Can't sing that one. They don't sing Brown Sugar anymore.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  No, come on.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you ever see the lyrics to Brown Sugar?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  What are the actual lyrics?

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  (singing)

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  What is it, Joe?

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  There's a reason why they don't sing it anymore. It's a great song, don't get me wrong. It's still on my Spotify playlist. But if you, I think it is. I might have pulled it out. I might have got scared. Wait till you see the lyrics.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  That playlist is crazy long.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  It's great. Yeah, the playlist is-

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  We get turned up in there.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we do. I think that playlist is like thirty-five hours long now. Let me see it.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  You keep adding to it.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  I keep adding to it. I love it.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Cause every once in a while I look up-

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-three. Thirty-three hours and forty-nine minutes.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love when we're in there and then I'll be like, "Who the fuck is playing this?" And I look up and you're just like-

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like, Joe, who got you on the Black Panther album? You'll just listen to some random shit. Hey, who got you on this? Oh, yeah, I love a good random shit. Like, if I'm in a bar and I hear some cool, random song, I love, like... That's why I love that Shazam app. Ooh, that's so nice. Top tier. Here it is. Yeah, gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields, sold in a market down in New Orleans. Scardled slaver knows he's doing alright. Hear him whip the women just around midnight. Brown sugar, how come you taste so good? Brown sugar, just like a young girl should. Uh, yeah, yeah. Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot. Lady of the house wondering if...

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Wondering where it's gonna stop. Houseboy knows that he's doing alright. You should have heard him just around midnight. This song's horrific. This song's crazy! Brown sugar, how come you taste so good? Brown sugar, just like a young girl should. Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh, get down on the ground, brown sugar. How come you taste so good? Uh, get down, get down, brown sugar, just like a young girl should. I bet your mama was a tent show queen. And all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen. I'm no schoolboy, but I know what I like. You should have heard me just around midnight. This song's crazy. He was fucking, Mick Jagger was losing his mind, dude. This is a crazy song. To write all this down, slave ship? Did you say slave ship? Just like a young girl shit. What are you, what? That brown sugar, you taste so good. Sold in a market?

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  What? And it scrolled down a little bit. This was another one that I... I'm not sure what they're saying here. Hold on. Uh, go scroll down a little bit. Oh, yeah. I bet your mama was a tent show queen. What does that mean? What does that mean? What the fuck does that mean? What is a tent show queen? What's a tent show? Well, whatever it is, she's getting fucked. Something horrible is happening. Whatever's happening in that tent. That song is crazy. So they don't play that song anymore when you go see the Stones.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  You saw him, you've seen him live, right?

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro, you see him live, you can't believe you're, they're really there. They're like, you're like, is that really them? It just seems so strange. A tent show.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're probably one of the, if not, now they're definitely one of the biggest bands of all time.

• 1:09:14Joe Rogan?

  Tent shows are a generic term for traveling shows that pitch tents. So a tent show queen would have been a featured performer, probably in a vaudeville act. If the song is progressing forward in time. The fact that she had a sixteen year old's boyfriend suggests she's either extremely sexually liberal or more likely prostituting herself. If she's prostituting herself, the power dynamic is reiterated, a black woman at the mercy of paying white men. Huh? What kind of fucking scholarly take on this?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know as far as that.

• 1:09:50Joe Rogan?

  What is that, what are they saying? This is so dr- weird.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  No, that's fucking crazy.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Those are weird definitions.

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a website that gives you insight on lyrics. It's crowdsourced, but doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see, I see. Cause I'm reading this, I'm like, the power dynamic is reiterated. What? A black woman at the mercy of paying white men. She advertises herself during the show and then sleeps on the side.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 1:10:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm not, you know.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Those shows though, you ever seen any of those, those black box shows?

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  People used to be monsters. They were monsters, they were monsters. And carni- carnies would come into town, these carnival people and rob everybody and steal and probably murder. Just dirty people traveling around, trying to stay alive and conning people out of their money and, you know, the bearded lady, she's got fucking glued hair stuck to her face. You're like, what did I pay to see?

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  They still do that shit.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  We, you ever heard of this place called The Box in London? And they have one in New York too, but The Box?

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Schultz took me, this fucking psychopath. We go to The Box, it's after the, after we do Royal Albert Hall, it's a great night. We go to The Box around two AM, that's when the show starts.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  It's one of those kind of shows.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Two AM?

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Two AM, they take your phone, they lock it up.

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Joe, there's people shitting on stage and rubbing themselves in shit and fucking each other on stage.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  And putting crazy huge dildo rods in each other.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Are you getting anybody in trouble by saying this?

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  No, it's so, this is an organized business.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  This is legal?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  They have multiple of these. The Box, yep, that's it.

• 1:11:23Joe Rogan?

  And they were shitting on each other?

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Shitting on, Joe, shitting on each other.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Did you worry about getting shit on you while you were there? How close were you to these people?

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Uh, we had like a nice little booth. Luckily, you were with Schultz.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  You gotta know when to panic and get out of the building if shit starts flying around.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  Oh dude, it was crazy.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Once people start shitting in public, like, I'm out.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  And rubbing it off.

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  I can watch this online, I don't have to be here in person.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  That night, that was great. I was ready to fight, because I was about to fight Schultz and them. I walked in, and there's trannies, there's all, you know, there's all kind of people in there.

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Right when I walk in, a big dude, dressed like a woman, but a dude, I mean, big, ripped.

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Just fucking reached for my balls and dick as we're walking in.

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yo, what the fuck, man? I'm looking at, but nobody else sees this happen. Me and him at this, and then he keeps walking. And I'm, now I'm on 10. I'm like, oh, what the fuck? I'm, you're not having fun anymore. Now I'm, I'm ready to fight. This is crazy. This guy just like, trying to touch my dick, what the fuck is going on?

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Kevin Spacey.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they think Kevin Spacey me. He fucking Kevin Spacey me.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think amongst that community, that is a common way of saying hello.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it was working for, I saw him later, fucking, pretty much having sex with the guy later, but...

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta take a chance. You look like a gay guy, is what he's trying to say.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  I think he saw the flagrant. I don't know what he's...

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  He thinks you're beautiful.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but...

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he did see that up.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  That's what Schultz said, later.

• 1:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Probably saw that up.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  I didn't know, so I'm hot.

• 1:12:43Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  I'm on 10, but they think I'm on 10 because everyone's gay. So Schultz and them are like, Derek, you gotta stop being homophobic, man. Like, it's just a weird show. And I was like, I'm about to fucking kill you guys. The guy tried to grab my dick. And it was just a whole, it was like a curb your enthusiasm level of miscommunication. But I mean, it was one of the, I've never been more mad.

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I just, the idea of some grown man touching my dick physically like that, it was just...

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  It's very disrespectful.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  I don't like, I don't like being disrespected like that.

• 1:13:08Joe Rogan?

  It's scary.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  It's scary.

• 1:13:40Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  at handsome guys with a good-looking girl. You know, then that guy becomes the enemy. Look at this fucking pussy. Look at this fucking pussy with that girl. Look at her at that fucking pussy. And they all, those mutts, they all get together and speak mutt language. Yeah, fuck him. Probably from out of town. Probably from that other piece of dirt where all those pussies live. Where are you from, pussy? From that pussy town? Just another town over. Down the road. Some fucking rival baseball team that beat them when they were in 7th grade and they still haven't let go of it. Yeah, dude, they get pissed. Yeah, there's a lot of idiots in the world, man. They all need mushrooms. All of them. They all need mushrooms. Yeah, mushrooms would make you, you'd abandon all that towny shit. You'd be like, what? Oh, my God, this is so silly. Yeah, you realize how big the world is.

• 1:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I picked such a small camp. A town of 2,200 in the middle of Nebraska. Trying to start fights with the people from Des Moines. Yeah. Fucking Iowa faggots.

• 1:16:08Joe Rogan?

  People are so silly. They're so silly.

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  God, how fast would you have kicked that guy into oblivion if he tried to grab your dick like that?

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, you don't wanna just escalate right to like extreme violence.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  That's what I told Schultz and they were like, "Why are you, you look so angry?" And I was like, "Bro, I was on, you know, you hit that point where it's like, I'm not having fun anymore." "I'm here now."

• 1:16:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be careful, man. People get stabbed, people get shot, people, you don't, extreme violence is, should be reserved for really defending yourself.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  You have to defend yourself. You have to know you're actually being attacked.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  That guy was literally trying to have, this guy on Molly, I'm sure he's drugged up, you're on Molly, you're on this, you're on that.

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Cocaine and you're fucking, you're dressed like a fairy.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  You should never exchange violence with someone unless you fucking have to. You shouldn't do, avoid it at all. That's why I never had any street fights, like avoid it at all. I mean, I had like one in high schoo-, well, I had two, two in high school. They were nothing though, no big deal. But then, once I started competing, I was done with all that.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:01Joe Rogan?

  But if you do tune somebody up, like they die sometimes, like what my instructor was saying is true, especially in the real world, cause people fall and they hit their head on the concrete. That happens, people die like that all the time. They get knocked out, their head bounces off the concrete and then they're dead.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  It's like getting a giant rock dropped on your head from like a second story building.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Think about what the, the earth is, you know, like the earth, like the concrete is immobile and so hard. And all of the weight of your 200 plus pound body falls backwards and your head bounces off that concrete and it's the most sickening sound. Ugh.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  God, you hear it all the time on that mat when people get knocked out.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's like way safer.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Than getting knocked out on the concrete. But yeah, I do hear it all the time. It's, it, it bothers the shit out of me when I see someone's head bounce. When they get KO'd and their head bounces off the ground, I'm like, "Oh."

• 1:18:01Joe Rogan?

  Bro, did you ever see the one when um Josh Emmett knocks out Bryce Mitchell? Oh my god dude. It's one of the worst one punch knockouts in the history of the sport. He knocks him out and Bryce Mitchell's legs are twitching and he's like locked up completely out cold. And when he goes down, now imagine someone gets hit like that on the street. And you fall back like that on concrete. So not only do you get destroyed by the punch, but then you get destroyed again by the earth. Covered in concrete, bouncing off the back of your head with all the weight of your body and leverage to the back. The head is the first thing that hits. Your head flies back and all this weight is bang.

• 1:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. Well, this is a crazy knockout dude.

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  It's so fast you don't even really see it.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  But look at his legs start shaking.

• 1:19:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you hear DC saying he's shaking, he's shaking Joe.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Oh my god, flush.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Flush. And Josh Emmett is a little tank. I mean, he's 145 pounds for about five seconds. Till he weighs in, then he probably weighs about 170 and he hits like a fucking mule. Look at this. Boom. Look at the back on that motherfucker. Look how he's built, man. And imagine how much force is involved in that guy punching you in the face.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Oh, the craziest one I ever seen live was, we were together, we were in Phoenix. And it was when Tony Ferg- Chandler kicked Tony Ferguson.

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  That's one of the scariest ones. I remember I was, because I was high too, so I was like.

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  Boy, you watch his soul leave his body, spiral back down into his.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Scary. I remember how scared I was for this grown man. I'm like, oh my god, he hasn't moved? And you just see that, that.

• 1:19:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  I saw that live.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  One of the best front kicks of all time. That's perfect. The technique is perfect.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  I mean, and that's a real picture. That's a live, he made his face look like that.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. He looks like, like a grandpa in a Pixar movie.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't he?

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  But oh, that was, that was a scary, that was the scariest one I've seen, but my favorite knockout I've ever seen was uh, that, I mean, we were all in the green room. I don't know if you were there for this one, but it was Whitney's weekend. It was like 12, 15 of us in that green room. And it was when Izzy knocked out Poston, knocked out Pereira.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  That was the greatest celebration of all time.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  At all?

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  All time.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  Fortify your mind. That line sticks with me. I said it to myself.

• 1:20:35Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing from beginning to end, the three arrows into his body while he was down.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Breaks it.

• 1:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Izzy looks at his son and then falls on his back to mock his son because his son had mocked him. That's how petty he is. Years ago.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  It was Kill Bill level revenge.

• 1:20:49Joe Rogan?

  So he looks at his son and he falls down like the kid did. A little kid.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  And then he pops back up.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  And then he pops back up and then he gives like the best post-fight speech in the history of the sport.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  It was like he wrote it already. It was beaut- I remember how beautiful it was.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Feel this one time.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  In your life.

• 1:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Here it is.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  And watch this.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  I mean, that lights you up, dude.

• 1:21:24Joe Rogan?

  Bro, and then watch this. He finds his son.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Remembers.

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  He remembers. Look, look, like he points to you. Look, you, you, you, you. Check this out.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  That kid's like seven years old. That's fucking, that's literally.

• 1:21:40Joe Rogan?

  That's so petty. That's so petty. That is so petty. He remembered, found him.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, he's like, oh yeah.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Check this out.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Like I forgot? Now Joe, was he lulling him? Was he, when he?

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  No, he was getting fucked up.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  He was really getting fucked up. Okay.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. His leg, he told me that his leg was getting compromised already. One of the things in the first fight, so the first fight in the UFC, Poston wins and he wins by stoppage and Izzy said, "I wasn't even really hurt. I just couldn't move because he had fucked my leg up so much. I couldn't get out of the way of his punches." He's like, "But I wasn't hurt, like real badly hurt to the point where he's wobbling. He's like, "My leg wasn't working." He kicked the shit out of his leg. His calf kicks are so nasty. He's like, out of all the people in the sport, he's the worst guy to have kick your calves. Because he sneaks them in and there's two and three and before you know it, "Oh, fuck. My leg don't work anymore." And now you're trying to get away.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  It's teeing off.

• 1:22:31Joe Rogan?

  And you got one leg and you're trying to dance and pretend. So you're putting all the weight on this leg. So you're trying to pretend like you got two legs, but he can tell. He could tell, thud, he hits it again, thud. So he, he had Izzy in real trouble, but he opened up too much. He's opened up too much. And, you know, to order to like, close in on someone and bang them out, like, you gotta leave yourself exposed sometimes. There's risks to reward, right? And the cautious, patient thing to do is you, you throw a lot of feints and then you throw your shots in. But he was just teeing off at this point. And when you're just teeing off, you're assuming that the guy's incapable of countering in a, to a certain extent. Or not even capable, you're, you're taking the risk of getting countered.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, whereas if he just kept playing that game and like, feinting and moving and, and slowly picking and poking and knowing, he just charged in a little too much. He, you know, he thought Izzy was hurt more than he was. And then Izzy got him.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  That right hand, just fucking.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Great, one of the greatest knockouts of all time. Especially when you think about like, the significance of it and you think about like, historically, you know, two great champions. One guy who had knocked him out in kickboxing and then knocked him out in the UFC and then he knocks him out cold. And gets petty.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  And then after petty, gets super inspirational.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  And gives one of the greatest post-fight speeches of all time. I think the greatest, I don't think there's ever been a better, oh, maybe, maybe Rose Namajunas, that was right up there too. That one made me cry.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember, yeah, yeah, she's sick, she's a badass too, dude. But yeah, that Izzy one, man, that's, I mean, he's the reason I never, he got me into the idea of UFC. I never, before he got into, because he was into the nerd stuff. And I couldn't believe that there was a guy who was like, being like, yo, I'm a nerdy dude, I like nerd shit. And I'm kicking the fuck out of people. And that got me locked in.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  And also like, a sweetheart, sweetheart of a guy. So fun. Just to hang out with and shoot the shit, he's silly, he's fun.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  Playful, you know, he's just a real good guy, real smart.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Oh, he took us to a club when we were in Brisbane, with me and Schultz.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no shit.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  And we just danced till like, 3:00 in the morning, just fucked up. It was awesome. He took us to like, some local spot that he likes, you know? But he's the man, dude.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  He's just the fucking man, but yeah. The nerd shit made me lock in.

• 1:24:48Joe Rogan?

  It is interesting how different those guys, I mean, like, we were talking about like, Dustin Poirier, like, having a regular life. Like, the same thing with Izzy, like, how do you have a regular life after you did that? You did that. You did that in front of the whole world. The whole world was watching. It was, there was so many consequences on that. That fight, because you were winning, he was winning that first fight.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  He was winning, you know, he was ahead on points. And then the fourth round, or the, it was the fourth or the fifth where he got put out.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was, um, you know, it was devastating. God, this motherfucker got him again.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Because he got robbed in the first kickboxing fight. Izzy got robbed, in my opinion. I went and I watched that fight several times. I, I mean, robbed is a tough description, but I would say I do not agree with the decision. I think Izzy won that kickboxing fight. And then the second kickboxing fight, Izzy had him on skates. Izzy had, Izzy had him hurt at one point in time, but he recovered. And then he caught Izzy with a left hook from hell. Just a left hook from hell. That motherfucker hits so hard, dude.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looked scary.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  He hit so hard, and he wasn't as big back then as he is now. Like, he, a lot of strength and conditioning work since then. Like, he didn't, doesn't look the same like then as he does now. Now he looks way more strong. And so he, he knocks him out, and then they fight in the E O C, and he knocks him out again. And then Izzy finally knocks him out.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  It was awesome.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  And then puts the arrows in his body for the three times he beat him.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  He said that was like, he didn't even think of that. He just did three. He just felt like doing three, but it was really the three times he beat him.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  And it just came out of his body.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Came out of his body. This motherfucker got me three times.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know who was on stage that night, but we ruined their set, because they came on stage like, oh yeah, you just, I'm, I'm in the middle of a joke, and you just hear thirty people in the green room go,

• 1:26:35Speaker 02

  and I'm like, Whitney too, all of us, because it was just, oh, this is a moment, dude.

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  You can feel it when it just, the way he did it, and then when he's yelling, but that's one of the most inspiring, that speech. Whenever I'm working out or doing anything, that fortify your mind, it plays in my head, fortify your mind.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Jamie played that for us one time. It's, it's like one of the greatest speeches of all time. And, you know, he asked me for the microphone too.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  He did.

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was like, yeah, man. Earth, I need to say something. Listen to me.

• 1:27:04Speaker 06

  I hope every one of you behind the screens or in this arena can feel this level of happiness just one time in your life. I hope all of you can feel how fucking happy I am just one time in your life. But guess what? You'll never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something in your own life. When they knock you down, when they try and shit on you, when they talk shit about you, and they try and put their foot on your neck. If you stay down, you will never ever get that resolve. Fortify your mind and feel this level of happiness as you rise. One time in your life, but I'm blessed to be able to feel this shit again and again and again and again and again.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  Woo! I mean, fuck!

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Man, damn.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  While you rise, I mean, it sounds like something from a movie, like a speech before war.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like, like fifteen writers sat in a room and came up with the perfect, perfect lines.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  And then, ugh.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  If that was in the movie Gladiator, I'd be like, oh yeah, that's what that's, that's how good that is.

• 1:28:10Joe Rogan?

  And I bet that just came out of the moment. I didn't even ask him. I should ask him next time I talk to him. I bet that just came right out of the moment. It was just right there. It was a perfect event for him. It was perfect. The way it went down was perfect. You couldn't, you could never script that better in a movie.

• 1:28:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:28:26Joe Rogan?

  To see him flattened out, out cold, and then put arrows in his unconscious body.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  Woo! He knocked out an Easter egg island, man. Guy fucking Boatswain's huge.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Boatswain's. Easter Island is not Easter. Oh, is that an Easter egg island?

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  I thought it was an Easter egg island.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Alex Borrer is the scariest kickboxer's ever competed in the sport. He's like the one guy above all that I would say if he hits you once, you're dead. He just has to hit you once. And all the guys I've ever seen fight, I don't think anybody I could say that more than that guy. Including in kickboxing, in everything. He has more power than anybody I've ever seen. In fact.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  Even boxing, even, even?

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't think I've seen anybody that hits harder than that guy. Anybody. Ever. Ever. Ever, except Francis Ngano. But Francis Ngano is 265, you know what I'm saying? But in, in weight class, like weight class to weight class, Francis can put anybody out too, but he's not at the same skill level as Poston. So when Poston does it, it's like, like when he switch kicked Yuri Prohaska and KO'd him at the beginning of the second round. Jesus Christ, like, what the fuck, man?

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  And he KO'd him already at the end of the first round.

• 1:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's terrifying. That dude's terrifying, just absolutely terrifying. That power is just from, this is like from God. It's like he's got a gift. He's got a weird gift. This is different than ever. He, you know, there's this machine where you punch it and it registers the amount of power. With Francis, it was like 130 something, something like that, right? Francis was like 130 something. Poston got 191, 191. With his, with his right hand, and I don't even think his right hand's his power punch. I think it's his left hook that's the big one. I bet the big one, the left hook is over 191. It's bananas. His power, it's not like anybody else. So when Izzy knocked that guy out, that, you gotta understand, that's, that's different.

• 1:30:25Joe Rogan?

  That's different. He's like, that's the top of the mountain. That's the top of the mountain in the sport. It's like one of the greatest accomplishments in the sport.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Would you say Poston is the fastest rise you've ever seen in the UFC?

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Ever. To two division world champions?

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:39Joe Rogan?

  No one's even close. Cause that guy never says no. They call him up. You want to fight next weekend?

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:47Joe Rogan?

  He just fights. He fought with a broken toe. He fought with a broken hand the last time. His hand was broken and he had a norovirus and he still fought.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's terrifying, dude.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  He's crazy.

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  I remember when he came to the mothership and they were like, the security were like, it was terrifying, cause he was like, I want to meet Joe now. And the security were like, I don't know what to do.

• 1:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Yo, me and DC were in the hallway upstairs in the mothership and he's teaching us how he checks the calf kick. How he throws the calf kick different than everybody else and he's having Paulinho, his coach is translating. So it was me and DC and we're both standing there and you know that little area where the elevator is, where the VIP is? So we're standing there in this little crowded area, it's like five of us and Poston's kicking my legs and he's kicking DC's legs and he's explaining how he lifts his leg up this way and this is how he checks it and you're like, oh shit. And both DC and I, would we tell people about this? Like, I don't even know if I want to give this up.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, give us information.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause this is like very good information.

• 1:31:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, he never gets hurt with calf kicks. And if he, like, the way he checks them, he does like a hacky sack thing. A lot of people are doing it now. But he was like one of the first guys to figure that out. That he does like this hacky sack move. So when you go to kick his legs, instead of just checking it, where he turns it into the kick, he lifts his leg up and his leg just kind of goes like this and the kick just goes wee. It just kind of grazes it. So it never pounds on his calf the way he pounds on theirs.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  When it's just straight and boom, you're getting that force while you're playing it.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  But he also has a different style. Like, he's not heavy on the front leg. Cause he, like, some guys are heavy on the front leg because they want to take him down quick. So they want to be able to like move and take him down and those are the guys that are going to have a harder time getting away from that kick. Cause you got so much weight on that leg. So he just thud, thud, thud. And then now your calf is numb, your foot is limp, your foot's just dangling around your ankle.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Oh, that guy's terrifying, dude.

• 1:32:40Joe Rogan?

  And again, like, how does a guy like that go and become a regular person? How do you, how do you integrate and just be a regular guy after that?

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be very weird. Like, Schaub's figured it out.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:51Joe Rogan?

  But Schaub got lucky that he found podcasting, you know, and he, you know, found his car show, All Gas No Brakes. So like, he, he found a way to transition and still have a good time.

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very few guys. Cause you see, I remember just the era of watching Tyson go from fighting to finding a rhythm.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  You know, and being in movies.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  So there's like find, there's like fighters, like Schaub, elite fighter, you know, top 10 heavyweight in the UFC. But then there's champions, world champions, guys who sell out arenas, pay-per-view stars, like Connor. How's that guy go and be a regular person? How do you do that?

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 1:33:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like. I mean, they, they, there's no coaches for that, where they teach you how to reintegrate and become normal.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. R.I.P. George Foreman, man. He feels like the only one who was like, he found the grill. And was like, dude, I'm fucking chilling.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Made a lot of money with that grill. But he also came back when he was thirty-six.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, and won it again, didn't he?

• 1:33:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He wa- he went all the way through till he was forty-five and he knocked out Michael Moore. Which is crazy. Like, nobody did that back then. When he came back at thirty-six, I remember news articles about it, and I remember feeling sad. Because I knew George Foreman when I was a child. Like, George Foreman on TV, when he knocked out Joe Frazier, when Ali beat him in Africa. That was a famous story because Hunter S. Thompson went there, and he was supposed to, uh, watch it and write a story for Rolling Stone about it, but he was so sad that Ali was gonna get fucked up, that he decided not to go to the fight. So he stayed at his hotel and just floated around the pool, and he fucked up the whole assignment.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  And it was kinda, and in the documentary, they say it was kind of like a pivotal moment in the downturn of his life, where he kinda like fucked his life up.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:34:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because he failed in his assignment. He didn't, and back then, you couldn't watch the tape. You know, this, we're talking about the nineteen-seventies. So after the fight's over, the fight's over. You did, you missed the fight. You don't have a story. And so he didn't have a story. And he went all the way to Africa and just fucked off, because he was just being silly. And then like, oh my god, I'm a failure. I failed in my story. And it was like a downturn, and hi- his life kinda takes a dark turn after that.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  God, it's crazy how much, because you hear that, and it's that speech that Ali gave, which is also one of the most inspiring to everyone. He's like, "I know you got him picked. I know you all got him picked." That, you know where he gets that one? "I'll show you how great I am."

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  And it's like, wow, to hear that. Even Hunter S. Thompson was like, oh wow, the, every casual must have been like, oh, Ali's about to get fucking.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:44Joe Rogan?

  it so hard, and it's so terrifying, that that's all he has to do in a boxing match. He just has to kind of cover up and get close enough to just wump you. Just wump, wump. And a lot of it is arm punches. Look at this. Listen to this. Give me some volume.

• 1:37:59Speaker 06

  And he had a trainer, Dick Sadler, a tiny by comparison to Foreman. And Sadler would hang on to the heavy bag, but Foreman would hit this... This bag, this saddle had just literally been picked off his feet.

• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:38:13Speaker 07

  Foreman hitting the heavy bag is one of the more prodigious sights I've had in my life. It seems to me that of all the people I've seen hitting heavy bags, including Sonny Liston, no one ever hit it the way Foreman did.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  So all he's practicing is hitting hard. He's not trying to be slick. You notice the difference?

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Joe Rogan?

  Even the way like Canelo hits the heavy bag, or Floyd hits the heavy bag, they're working skills.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Remember when you see Tyson do it, and that head is going crazy?

• 1:38:46Joe Rogan?

  Tyson hit the heavy bag better than anybody in the history of the world. Better than anybody. Cause he hit the heavy bag with all these crazy angles and speed, speed like a lightweight. Speed like a lightweight.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  He's bouncing.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, 214 pounds moving like a lightweight.

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  Nobody was like that dude. I still maintain he's the greatest. I think, you know, a lot of people shit on me. They said, "No way, you don't know shit about boxing." I just think that run, when Cus D'Amato was training him to the title, Cus was already dead when he won the title, to like a few fights afterwards. Losing Cus, he lost his way a little bit, but, but that run, when he was the man, when he knocked out Marvis Frazier, I think that's the greatest heavyweight of all time. I don't think anybody's even close. I think he fucks them all up.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  I think he fucks them all up if they fight him during that time.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  People like to discredit things because of the whole career, but they don't want to give credit to a run. When you see somebody have a run that's truly...

• 1:39:40Joe Rogan?

  It's all about the run. It's all about the run.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  Unreal.

• 1:39:42Joe Rogan?

  That's why I always put BJ Penn in the list of all-time greats. Cause during that run, when BJ Penn beat up Diego Sanchez, and when BJ Penn fucked up Sean Shirk, and Joe Daddy Stevenson, when he did that, I'm like, "That BJ Penn might be the baddest motherfucker alive." He might be the baddest motherfucker alive. Like, I would have put that BJ Penn, I would have loved to see that BJ Penn versus Khabib. That would have been fucking crazy. And a lot of people think that's a ridiculous thing to say, cause Khabib was so dominant, and BJ lost a bunch of times. Like, you're right. Argument, I accept, I mean, I'm not, Khabib might have beat him. He might have taken him down and mauled him the same way George St Pierre did. He might have. Khabib is a big guy, especially for lightweight, and his grappling skills are unparalleled.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Khabib grapples and does fantastic with elite, world championship caliber amateur wrestlers. I've heard stories of Khabib dominating guys in the gym at AKA that are elite wrestlers. That's how good Khabib is. So he might have been able to do that to BJ Penn, but BJ Penn might have got him too. BJ Penn might have got him. BJ Penn, especially when he's training with the Marinovich's and he had an unstoppable gas tank.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause he went and trained with Marv Marinovich, who was like this psychopath football trainer. Who had these like radical plyometric training methods and you just, all you did was strength and conditioning. It was like, you know how to fight. Stop all this fight training. We're just gonna get you in the most in chains shape possible. And when they did that, BJ Penn was unstoppable. That BJ Penn, if they, if somebody could have corralled him and got him to stay with that guy and then train all his skills outside of camp and then only train that way when he had his world title fights and never fuck off, who knows, man? Who knows? He could have been the GOAT. He was so talented, man. So talented. That motherfucker, BJ Penn won the Mundials, okay? He was the first American to win the Mundials. Ever.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  The Mundials, the world championships in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. As a black belt, three years into training. Three years into training. First of all, it's insane to get a black belt in three years. But to get a black belt in three years and then win the world championships is insane. Insane.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  And that's, without even hearing the context, that's crazy, because I know three years isn't long enough to do any, most things.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  I was a brown belt for eight years.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  I was.

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  And you were dedicated. It's not like you weren't busting your ass.

• 1:42:07Joe Rogan?

  I was like, you know, you don't, they don't give those out, man. You have to earn it. It has to be real, unless you're in a terrible gym. If you're at a legit gym, you know, if I'm training with... John Jock Machado doesn't give out black belts, so you gotta be real to get that. You gotta choke a lot of people to get that. And BJ Pen got it in three years. Three years. Yeah.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  That's just natural gifts, God given.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  It's, um, he's an addict. He said it to me, like, we had a conversation on the phone once, it was really funny. He goes, "I was talking to this guy and he was really young and he was like, you know, like, he goes, BJ, I admire you, you know, I copy your style and this and that." And he goes, "Man, you got so good so quick." He goes, "Man, I'm like you, I'm an addict." He goes, "I'm just addicted to jujitsu." And he's like, "Fuck, man, then I realized that that's it. I'm addicted to jujitsu, I got addicted to something really good. I'm addicted." And I was like, "That's exactly what it is, right?"

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the same thing that can turn you into a junkie, unfortunately.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  Just put that dial, spin that needle some, towards something else.

• 1:43:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  And it's over.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  I knew a dude who was a world championship caliber pool player. And, um, he was squeaky clean. He ate well, he drank water, he never drank alcohol, he didn't smoke cigarettes, he didn't do drugs. Straight as an arrow, super focused, world championship caliber player. Then he hurts his back in a car accident. And they get him on those pills. And, um, falls apart, man. Gets addicted to those pills the same way he was addicted to being a pool player.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  The same thing that made him just obsess on pool, where he's thinking about pools so much, he becomes like the scariest guy to play. The same thing got him with the pills. And then he just overdosed and died, young. And, but he was like, one time, um, my buddies were hanging out with him and he fell asleep in his mashed potatoes, just fell asleep in his food. They were eating, he just, just grayed out on pills, right into his food. And they had to pick him up out of the food, like, oh no. This is a guy that was like, straight as an arrow, clean as a whistle. Super focused, always dressed nice, always look good, you know?

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Thin, in shape.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Just one.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Just focused.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  Click to the left.

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  One click to the left. One accident and then pills and then no one understanding how addictive those fucking pills were. The doctors never told you.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Nobody told anybody, you know?

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Now, when you see like those documentaries of like how people who just like broke a leg or something and then they get them addicted to pills and next thing you know, they lost their family, their job, everything.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  I have many people that I know that that happened to, many people that I know that got injured, got on pills and just lost their lives, jujitsu guys, um, friends, a lot of people. Especially again, back before the information was available. Now, everybody knows pain pills are super, super addictive. Everybody knows someone in their family.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knows someone that it just can't get off them, everybody knows somebody that died. I know multiple people that have died from pain pills. Yeah. And so that's what got them, but it's the same thing, man.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  But that addiction is what makes you great, yeah.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's that thing in your head that makes you obsess on something, that's what it is. It's like this thing where you're trying to figure this thing out and you just wanna get better at it. But that could be hijacked by gambling, that could be hijacked by video games, that could be hijacked by any, anything.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Pussing, I've seen guys, yeah, I've seen guys get.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  Brand, all that stuff.

• 1:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Um, that's, that seems normal to me, that like makes sense, like biologically, but the gambling one is the craziest one to me.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the weirdest one because that might as well be heroin to those people. That, the, whatever they're getting out of like risking a hundred thousand dollars on a football game. I just swak-a-buck-a, you motherfuckers, you motherfuckers. Watching people do that, I was like, oh.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Gives me so much anxiety.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Oh, you, whenever in Vegas and you're walking through your casino, you just see people at that slot machine and they're just glazed over.

• 1:46:04Joe Rogan?

  That's like the dumbest version of it though, but the big, the risking everything on a game or risking everything on like a roll of the dice.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  A roulette, fucking, yeah.

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  Roulette, like that kind of thing is so nuts, it's so nuts to watch, it gives me so much anxiety. Like, you ever see Uncut Gems, that Adam Sandler movie?

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  It's one of the best movies. I've seen it a hundred times, dude.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 1:46:25Speaker 02

  It's un- And it just shows Adam Sandler in a way of like, oh, this motherfucker can act, act.

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Act, act.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  He can for real act.

• 1:46:31Joe Rogan?

  For real act.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  But yeah, that movie, I remember being in the theater and I'm with my wife and she's squirming. And I was like, what's wrong? You all right? And she was like, this is making me uncomfortable, Derek.

• 1:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  This is making me fucking uncomfortable.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Super uncomfortable.

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  And I was like, yeah, this movie, it was, because it's the adrenaline rush you're on. You feel like you're gambling.

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, the movie's so good, it bring, it locks you in, like we were talking about, like comedies, like Hypnosis. That movie was like Hypnosis. Like, it locked you in to this character and his decision-making. And there's this addiction to gambling that he has. And all the shady characters around, everybody's pulling scams, and everybody's doing this and that, and there's always something happening and...

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  There's a few movies that can lock you into a character like that, where you're like, I don't even agree with this person and I'm so invested.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  And at the end of the movie, you're like, what the fuck?

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Spoiler alert, but it's one of those what the fuck moments, where you're like, what the fuck?

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:23Joe Rogan?

  That movie, I shut it off and I was just breathing heavy for five minutes.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, man.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  And it's, I like a movie like that too, where you're like, this feels real. This feels, this feels like it could, like you said, happen to my neighbor, happen to my best friend, like this could happen to anyone.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  You just get lost in this.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, your mind is weird, man. People's minds are strange, like, you know, minds can go down these weird pathways. And it's like, most people don't have a good management system for it either. So it's like, you're driving this car with no traction control and too much horsepower, and it's flying all over the road and, you know. And you freaked out, you're always on 10, like, ooh.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, fuck. Another movie that makes you feel that way is There'll Be Blood. When you're watching, because that's the same, where you're watching a guy just go through this life and you're like, I'm getting uncomfortable. He's killing his fake brother and he's fucking, you know what I mean? And by the end, like you said, the ending of that one as well, where you're like-

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  The fuck is it? I showed it to my wife and she was, she literally goes Derrick, why the fuck did you show me that? And I was like, you had to see it. You needed to experience this.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  It's how good this movie is. It's an, I love a movie like that where you give me an experience.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  That's one of the greatest movies ever.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  For experience, just like for sheer, like, just becoming that guy.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  He was that guy. You believed every single second of it. There was no soap opera acting going on at all.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  No dude, this is my son, H W. The way he talks, the way he is.

• 1:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  Oh my god. And then you see like him devolve into this crazy billionaire, because when we see crazy billionaires, we don't really, and it's like to see how a person becomes a crazy billionaire. Because he's not a regular guy in the beginning of the movie. He falls, breaks his leg in that hole, you know what I mean? He's a regular dude.

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  There's a little element of that guy in everybody that's a crazy billionaire.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  There has to. How do you get there?

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  You have to manage that the same way everybody manages everything else. Like, imagine like trying to manage being Elon Musk. Imagine trying to manage that. Imagine. Just trying to manage that.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  I don't know how he finds the time.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Like, it doesn't even seem real. Like, it could possibly be real.

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, because now he works for the government, along with still trying to get us to Mars and all these other cool things he's doing, you know what I mean?

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  And people are scrutinizing him at a level, like, they want him to be perfect in every way. And it's like, you don't get that out of these wacky geniuses. You don't get perfect. You, you get unbelievable capabilities, mixed in with all kinds of flaws, that even he makes fun of. Like, you know, he's even talked openly about like self-inflicted wounds that he gives himself on Twitter. He's posted about it with like laughter emojis. Like, but he's having a good time, no matter what.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  He is on, that would be like watching the There Will Be Blood guy also tweeting his thoughts right, you would see some shit where you're like, what the fuck?

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he's not that way. He's not like a murderous fucking psychopath who steals people's oil. I drink your milkshake. He's not, he's not that.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  No, but I just, the idea, like you said, it's a little bit in him, it has to be.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  To conquer like that, I feel like.

• 1:50:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think his drive is different than most of them, and is his drive is accomplishments and innovation. Like, he's obsessed with getting people to Mars. He's obsessed with the engineering involved in what they've accomplished already with SpaceX. The ability to take a booster, shoot it off into space, and then the booster comes down and lands and gets caught with robot arms is so off the charts, beyond anything anyone else has accomplished in the world of rocketry and space science and all, all the engineering involved. It's off the charts. Like, what SpaceX has done is, it's not appreciated enough because he's so polarizing politically,

• 1:51:12Joe Rogan?

  because of his affiliation with Trump, and because of all the propaganda that has been spun his way. There's some definite natural reactions that people have to him that are organic and real, and they don't, they get upset at some of the things he does, that's real. But also, there's a gigantic propaganda machine that's trying to paint him as a literal Nazi. And they're, they're doing it because they have a vested interest in keeping all these NGOs and all their funding in place, exactly the same way it's always been, and having a genius go into all of your fucking booking, bookkeeping and accounting, is not good if you've been unchecked for decades and you have a fucking, just an unstoppable budget,

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  and a lot of waste, and a lot of incompetence, and probably a bunch of fraud and theft, too.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, they've, they've acknowledged that, you know? One of the things they said, which is hilarious, they said, "He found, I think it was, was it social security or Medicaid a bunch of fraud?" And then they were saying, "Well, actually, the government had already identified this two years ago." Okay, but why didn't, why didn't you have this press conference and say?

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, why did we wait?

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Did you just cover it up? Did you make a big deal? Did you stop it in its tracks? Did you reverse it? Did you prosecute people? Did you get the money back? Why, why are you saying, "Yeah, we already knew about that"? Like, that's not good enough. Like, what did, what did you do? How come you didn't find out about that $250 million that went to transgender animal studies? Like, you didn't, you didn't notice that one?

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  You had such a good bit about that.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  $21 million through Iraq and Sesame Street? You didn't notice that? You didn't notice like fucking like just so much of it is kooky. It's so much money and these the way NGOs and nonprofits work. I didn't understand it. I didn't know that it's all like cyclical money that's like flowing around. There's billions of dollars. It's just flowing around. It's got a lot of it's unchecked and they've been doing it forever. And that's why we're thirty six trillion dollars in debt. You know, not good. How, how, how do you, how does it get that bad? I don't know. But then there's also legitimate um arguments on the other side. Like the other side is making a very legitimate argument about the right to due process. If you get processed and shipped out of the country and put in a prison in El Salvador.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, what, what is the quote? Was it Benjamin Franklin's quote about innocent? And that it is better to allow ten guilty people to go free than one innocent person arrested. You know, I'm on that side of things. Yeah. That's my, I mean, I think due process exists for a reason and the reason is it is horrific. For someone to be accused of something they didn't do, be imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit. And then live in a cell, live in a cage with a bunch of. People who did commit shit. Here it is Benjamin Franklin. It's better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer. That, that is wisdom. Yeah.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  That has survived hundreds of years. It's incredibly accurate and it is the foundation of freedom. Like we have to make sure that these people are actually guilty, otherwise we become monsters. You can't like, what is that when you're fighting monsters, be careful that you don't become one. Become one. Yeah. Yeah. It's very important. It's very important. You know, you can't do that. But also you can't, you also have to deal with the fact that the current administration is dealing with the past administration. Allowing known gang members and terrorists to go right through the border unchecked. That a lot of them they know got through.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  They don't know the exact numbers, but they know there's millions and millions of people illegally just walked through unchecked. And a bunch of them have to have criminal records, a bunch of them have to be dangerous. And we've seen crimes that have been committed. It doesn't help anybody on the progressive side to deny the fact that that's a real problem. And if it happens to your family, God forbid, I don't want it to happen to anybody's. But if it does, you will feel a sting of regret if you supported that. Unlike anything you've ever experienced in your life. You'll be like, I mean, it's, you know, it's one of those things where to support one side of this, you have to deny some like basic human values.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Either way, like to support just rounding people up and just assuming they're all gang members. I don't, I'm not saying they're doing that, but this is the worst case scenario, right? They get a bunch of people in a room, they rope them all in and one guy's just someone's cousin picking someone up to give him a ride home. That's possible.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  And now you're back on the one innocent person with, now you're right back.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  And what if that dude is not doing anything wrong and he's got some stupid tattoos? And they decide that this guy's a gang member and now, now you're in a prison in El Salvador and you're not even from El Salvador. And now, you know, you were just a hairdresser or you were a tattoo artist.

• 1:56:05Speaker 02

  Family man, yeah.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  You came over here and maybe you got a green card and maybe you don't. Maybe you were just given asylum because a lot of people from Venezuela were given asylum in America.

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  And then you get shipped to El Salvador where you're not even from El Salvador. So that the fact that that exists scares the shit out of me. But also the fact that they were just letting terrorists and gang members flow freely into the country is fucking horrible. And when you talk about innocent people, what about the innocent people that got murdered by terrorists? And, and well, not terrorists, that really hasn't happened, but gang members. And this trend or wagga that were taking over those apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. And like, that's scary shit, man. Armed with machine guns, taking over apartment buildings, like what are we talking about here? Like, what are we talking about? You're, you're letting that happen? You're not sending in the troops to stop this?

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you think that wouldn't, in your head, you're like, that can't happen in America, in Colorado.

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they got a guy that had done that in California and they refused to deport him because they said that California is a sanctuary state. They're like fighting to keep a known gang member free in America.

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is bananas. It's like, almost like, you don't want to go full tin foil hat Sam Tripoli style and just decide that they're trying to destroy America, but if I was gonna try to destroy America, that's how I would do it.

• 1:57:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  I'd take over the political process, impart censorship on all the social media, like, gaslight people to no end, consistently do it, AstroTurf stadiums filled with people pretending they support something, pay them to be there, manufacture a movement, and slowly but surely bring chaos to all the cities. Allow DA's to get elected that are the worst when it comes to protecting people and the best when it comes to freeing violent criminals. And that, that's really their goal, and they can do it, they could just use words like racial justice, like just send out, send murderers back out into the streets, you just create chaos, defund the police, defund, now, now you have no police. Like, if I wanted to destroy America, I would do it this way.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  I mean, that sounded, what you just described sounds like a China, like a plan from another place.

• 1:58:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you wanted to destroy America.

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  If we really wanted to, yeah, not with war, but let's just slowly let them kill themselves, type stuff.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  And then have them at each other's back, at each other's throats, rather. You know, constantly have them fighting over political issues, let's get rid of Roe v. Wade, they're a little too, too happy right now. Get rid of Roe v. Wade, then the liberals are up in arms, "How you motherfucker." Which was, getting rid of Roe v. Wade was actually a good move if you were a Democrat, because then people get upset, and then they really want to vote. Like, you could probably ignite a lot of people. And that was like, there was some famous videos, there's one famous video of this lady celebrating that Kamala Harris is gonna win, and she was like, reproductive freedom, women came out to vote in unprecedented numbers. It was, I'm sure you've seen it, it's a video of this lady mocking this guy working at a liquor store.

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  Nah, I don't see this.

• 1:59:06Joe Rogan?

  It's so good. It's so good because it's like this. This lady and the way she's talking like. You can't be a good person and talk to someone this way. Or even about someone this way and be happy in the way you're happy.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  Like it's like. People like to be shitty. To people and think that it's justifiable to be shitty if that person disagree with you. So you can be shitty whereas the guy in this story is not being shitty to her at all. But she's being super shitty to this guy. And uh, but she's talking about reproductive rights. Cause like that was like one of the big things that got people to come out and vote for the Democrats.

• 1:59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:40Joe Rogan?

  If I was, if I was playing 4D chess and I was Democrats, like this is what we do.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  Get rid of ourselves.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Get rid of ourselves, get rid of ourselves and then campaign on that. Okay, now we got all the women.

• 1:59:51Speaker 02

  Pissed off.

• 1:59:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause women don't want men telling them what to do, bitch, you can't get pregnant, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  Shut up.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Until you can get pregnant, shut the fuck up, you know? It's like. This, so this lady, you got it Jamie? You can find this video, it's so funny. It's a poor lady. But it's about reproductive rights. Like she's, she's saying that and it was in a lot, for a lot of people. That was a big one. So like you would do that, you would do that, you would get rid of that, you would try to get rid of the second amendment. Fuck the second amendment, we're gonna get rid of all guns. Oh, the fucking gun guy, get up for the Republicans. You know, and then, you know, you would say, uh, we need open borders because we need the, our society is. Population collapse and they're starting to say things like that and we need, uh, you know. Who's gonna pick cotton?

• 2:00:34Joe Rogan?

  They're essentially, they're essentially. Marketing it because they're saying Americans don't want these jobs, so we have to bring people in to pick our crops. Who's gonna clean your, your toilets? People are openly saying that. Like not realizing how racist it sounds.

• 2:00:47Speaker 02

  One white lady, she told him, she was like, who's gonna clean your toilet if they get rid of all the Mexicans? It's like, what the fuck?

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Who said that?

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  It was like one of those crazy views.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  View bitches.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  It's one of them, or at least a show like that, you know what I mean?

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious. So there was that going on. If you wanted to like destroy society and make it worse, what would you do? You bring people in from a third world country. Don't have them change anything. Financially incentivize them to be there. Give them free money while you're not helping the poor people in America. They were giving them debit cards, free housing, free food. Yeah. Putting them up in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City. Why, you old shit? If you want to destroy society, that's how you would do it. That's how you would do it. I mean, that sounds. You would just keep doing. Like it's going in that direction. Yeah. So the problem with things that are going in a radical direction and then there's an overcorrection. So the overcorrection is lack of due process. The overcorrection is like round them all up, ship them to jail.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Like that's like some things that you say when you're not thinking things through. Like what do you do about all the criminals? Take them all, fucking send them to El Salvador. Yeah. What about due process? No, fuck that. Well, here's the problem with fuck that. What if you are an enemy of, let's not say any current president. Let's pretend we got a new president, totally new guy in 2028. And this is a common practice now of just rounding up gang members with no due process and shipping them to El Salvador. Um, you're a gang member. No, I'm not. Prove it. What? I gotta go to court. No, no due process. That's dangerous, Joe. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. That's dangerous.

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  That's, we gotta be careful that we don't become monsters while we're fighting monsters. But then again, you gotta find these motherfuckers that are here that have terrorist cells and that are ready to fucking blow up malls in Dallas and do crazy shit, which definitely they've thwarted before. Yeah. So like this is the best argument for um, intelligence agencies is that there's real threats. You know, like for someone to say fuck all the CIA, fuck the FBI. What, are you crazy? Who's gonna investigate real threats? Like the real world exists as much as you want to pretend that the, you know, that we can all go kumbaya tomorrow if we all just lay down our arms. No, there's people that are 48 years old and dedicated to crime.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Dedicated to crime in Guatemala and now they're here, you know, and now they're selling fentanyl and they're not gonna stop, okay?

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  They don't give a fuck.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're on EBT cards where you're getting money from the government, uh, for free every month. C- cuz you're in a sanctuary city and you get free food and you're a criminal. And then one of them, like two of them assaulted cops in New York City and then got out, got free, no cash bail, no cash bail. You just get out. They assaulted cops and then they're on the street giving the Tupac to the camera. Ever see that?

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  No, Joe, what?

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  First of all, we gotta show you the Kamala Harris lady. You got the Kamala Harris lady? You can't find it? They probably scrubbed it from the internet. I don't, I mean, I'm. She's being shamed, I'm not really sure what to look for, but.

• 2:03:48Speaker 02

  You're putting the tinfoil hat on my head right now, like that's not feeling.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  We don't have to show it. Um, it's, cuz we've already showed it a bunch of times. It's how you would do it if you wanted to destroy America. I'm not saying, so the question becomes like, how much of it is our own folly? How much of it is just natural human behavior? How much of it is like the right wants law and order, so we don't want law and order? The right wants to punish prisoners, we wanna, no, that's, it's racist, racism, you know, it's like, what is it?

• 2:04:21Speaker 02

  But that's just teams fighting, that's so, yeah.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  But also, I feel like it's manipulated as well and maybe more so than anything else. I feel like it's manipulated. And again, if you wanted to turn us into China, and what I mean by that is a country that's facial recognition everywhere, social credit score system that's attached to all of your banking, your ability to travel, everything you do. If you make anything online that's against the government, you could be disappeared, you could be locked up. You could be made a political prisoner. You know, this is.

• 2:04:56Speaker 02

  It felt like we were heading that way.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think this is something that, I think it was Metzger that said this, no, it was Duncan that said this about Ukraine and Russia. He's like, do you realize like the Ukrainians that we're killing, or that, rather, the Russians that we're killing, uh, by sending over arms and money to fund the Ukrainians? Not saying that we shouldn't do this, but he's saying that a lot of those guys are being forced to go to the front line. And a lot of those guys are prisoners who get released in order to fight. So what if you're a prisoner because you wrote a bad tweet against Putin? And they lock you up and then all of a sudden Ukrainians are killing you with American

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  weapons because you tweeted bad against Putin. So it's Putin's way of like eliminating

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  any, any dissent from like, and they don't even arrest that many people online in comparison to or for doing things online in comparison to the UK. The UK is getting in on it full steam ahead. The UK is arresting people for anything that makes people uncomfortable online. They show up at your house and just fucking arrest you. They've arrested like, how many people have been arrested in the UK for social media posts in the last year? You're, you're gonna, it's gonna blow your mind. It's gonna blow your mind. This is just posts on social media like get, you know, we need to send these illegal immigrants back saying shit like that.

• 2:06:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  You get arrested, arrested hate crimes.

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Even if I'm joking, even if I'm, maybe I'm just fucking having a-

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  There's no jokes, no jokes online anymore, not in the UK. Not only that, but the guy who's the head of the UK, they're saying now that they could potentially arrest Americans who have posted things online when they visit the UK. Yeah, I was reading a post about this. Like this could, this law could potentially be used in this way. That if you are a person in America and you're posting horrible shit about the UK government or the immigrant problem or whatever they have, um, context is not available information, exact figures 2025, not fully comprehensive, 2023, 20 in 2023, 12,183 arrests were made across 37

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  police forces in the UK under section 127 of the Communications Act, 2003 and section one of the malicious communications act in 1988, equating to about 33 arrests per day. Laws cover sending grossly offensive, indecent, obscene, or menacing messages via electronic communication networks, which includes social media posts and also DMs.

• 2:07:32Joe Rogan?

  DMs. So people that are arrested for horrible DMs that nobody gets to see other than the friend that you're sending it to supposedly. You have no idea what the context is. That's crazy.

• 2:07:41Speaker 04

  I was checking into this one time recently. It said that a lot of people may have been arrested, but many of them were not prosecuted and were released very shortly after.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  But it's still, right, okay, that's cute. It's still horrifying because what you're doing is scaring people into compliance. They don't want to be arrested again, and they certainly don't want to risk being prosecuted. But they're, they're forcing people to censor themselves.

• 2:08:03Speaker 04

  I read it said that they're breaking the law. I don't know which law they're breaking.

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, no, they, they do have a law. There, there is, they don't have freedom of speech the way we have in America. So they do have these hate speech laws. So they are breaking a law. But the question is, should that law exist? And I say, no. No, that law should not exist. You shouldn't be able to put someone in a cage for saying, and some of them are not that offensive. Some of them are pretty fucking calm.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, only a 1,119 sentences occurred for these offenses. Okay, but the problem is now, now go look at how many people were arrested in Russia for social media posts. It's drastically less. But we think of Russia as being the, the country that censors people and... Yeah. China and Russia, that's what you think. Which they do. You can't criticize Putin. You can't go balls out. You're risking your life. You're in real trouble. Not, not excusing that. But what they're doing in the UK is at a higher level of magnitude. I mean, maybe they're not torturing people and sending them to the front line of Ukraine, but they are putting the fear of being arrested

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  in people. If you say something that they don't want you to say on social media. The jump from 2016 to 2023 is crazy. Look at Russia. 2023, 54 people.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  So in the time where 12,000 people were arrested in the UK, 54 people were imprisoned for online hate speech in Russia. This also says this information isn't very... Russia's 100% accurate with their... Easy to find. Shut up, Jamie. From 2010 to 2024, Novaya Gazeta, Europe, reported over 30,000 criminal and administrative cases related to social media posts. With about 1,200 being criminal cases. So they had 1,200 criminal cases. Common charges include extremism, inciting hatred, or insulting state symbols. That's where it gets sketchy.

• 2:09:59Speaker 02

  I can't even make fun of the flag or a monument? I can't make fun of it?

• 2:10:02Joe Rogan?

  Nope. Insulting. Making fun is insulting. There's no room for humor in a communist country. UK sucks, dude. But it's not, you know, Russia's not communist, really, anymore. It's really, um, it's a military dictatorship, essentially. I mean, Putin was the president, and he could only do a certain amount of time, and then he stopped being the president, he's like, "Fuck it, I'm the president again." And then, no one's gonna win going against him. They have elections, but what are you doing? Guys wind up getting poisoned and shot, and they're like, "It's old school."

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's fucking...

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  It's old school. He's running that place.

• 2:10:38Speaker 02

  It's his.

• 2:10:39Joe Rogan?

  That's his. You're not taking over.

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  Man, I seen that picture of him, you know, shirtless on a horse, I'm like, "Don't fuck with this dude."

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a killer. He's a former KGB killer. Like, he's, like, the real deal, he's a judo black belt. He's a fucking, he's a bad man. You know, like, you don't, and he runs that country. And they arrest less people than the UK does.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, what the fuck is going on in the UK?

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  They're leaning into the same direction that I was talking about that was scaring me about America. I feel like there's a plot. There's a plot to diminish the fabric of society. Like, if you want, okay, let's, let's just look at the whole, overall world, and is it fair? It's definitely not fair. There's, clearly, there's a reason why these people in these third world countries want to come to Europe, and why they want to come to America. Because it's better here, and it's better there, and they want a better life. I get it. But why are they fleeing where they came from? Well, huh, it's, we bombed the shit out of those places. We bombed the shit out of those places. We drone bombed them. We overthrew democratically elected governments with coups.

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of instability that's caused by us, like, "Well, it's our fault, we're gonna take these people in." I think instead of fucking up this one country by letting everybody come in and drag it down to a third world country. I think a better solution is figure out a way to prop up these other countries. The same way, I mean, in a simplistic version of it, like if you want everything for yourself, you're selfish, but you want everything for all your boys too and everybody, everybody gets better.

• 2:12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:11Joe Rogan?

  The whole world gets better. So instead of like shipping off jobs to Mexico where they get a dollar a day. Um, maybe pay them real money. Pay them what you're supposed to be paying them. Maybe give them healthcare. Maybe give them, maybe if you are an American citizen and you want to hire someone to do something, you have to hire someone under the same structure of ethics that we agree to in the United States. Period.

• 2:12:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Period. For all humans, all over the world. And if they're, the money translates lower because the American dollar is worth more, okay, but balance it out. Make it that, you know, they can afford food, they can afford housing, they can afford healthcare, make laws.

• 2:12:53Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 2:12:53Joe Rogan?

  Where we're, and then you, all of a sudden you prop up the whole world. And the whole world stops, they stop having third world countries, including in the United States. Like, why do we still have ghettos? What, why have we put all this money into funding all these different things with like USAID all over the world? And the South Side of Chicago has the same amount of murders every year, if not more.

• 2:13:15Speaker 02

  More, every year.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Every year. Baltimore, same place. We had a cop in once way back in the day. That, um, he, uh, was a cop in Baltimore and while they were working one day, he found a rap sheet, like a arrest sheet of all these different crimes that were committed in all these different areas from like the 1970s. And it was all the same shit that's happening today. And he realized like, oh my God. It's never gonna end. Like, you're never gonna fix this. It's all the same problems in the same areas and nothing's being done. The same drug arrests, the same violence, the same this, the same that, all in the same places. And all in these areas mysteriously, all in the same areas that had been redlined during the Jim Crow era.

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Where black people couldn't buy houses where the white neighborhoods are. They had to buy houses as one area and those areas are fucked. And no one's corrected it.

• 2:14:10Speaker 02

  Even now, doesn't make sense. But you think that's just that, that hard to let go that feeling of I have to be better than something like. Yeah, it's nice to know you're doing better than somebody else. It's just, it's something about human beings that they like.

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it's convenient to ignore people that you're not gonna profit from. You know, if you are investing a bunch of money in green energy, or you're investing a bunch of money in whatever stupid shit you're doing with windmills, like, someone's making money. There's a lot of people making money, there's money being exchanged. If you're fixing South Side of Chicago, if you're like, creating community centers, and you're like, robust education and counseling, and providing mentorship, and paths to jobs, and giving people like, an opportunity to make real money that's enticing, so they don't wanna sell drugs or kill people, like, how many, how are you making money doing that? You're not. And so, people don't do it. It's that simple.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  But it's like what you just said, everyone would naturally, if everyone's doing it, the world would naturally rise.

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:15:06Speaker 02

  But it would take ti- I guess you're right, it's not a direct profit.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  It would take generations. But it's, there's no effort being done to it. So this guy that's seeing these crimes that were committed in the same area in Baltimore in the 1970s, you know, and this is in the 2000s, he's seen the same shit. He's like, this is crazy. Like, this is just, this is, this is the real systemic racism. This is the real, like, problem in this. It's not, it's not like black people can't make it in America. No, no, no, no, no. It's like, there's an echo of past atrocities that exists in these pockets that's not being addressed, it's never been healed.

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  It's never been healed. And there's a convenience in allowing it to stay that way. Like, you can count on them to vote a certain way, if you keep giving them welfare, if you keep giving them food stamps, the, the people that want that are always the Democrats. So those people are always gonna vote Democrat for you. So you're like, you're, it's within your best interest to not make them like, conservative Republicans, or like, very disciplined, and work real hard, and get to the gym at 4:30 before they show up and work at 7:00, and we're gonna kick some ass and make some fucking money, Wilson, you know? You don't want that. It's convenient, cuz then they'll vote for you every time. Soon as they start making money and realize, like, what is the government spending my fucking taxes on?

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  That's what changes you, immediately. The moment you make some money.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you, you become a Republican.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  Quack.

• 2:16:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude.

• 2:16:21Speaker 02

  Quack.

• 2:16:22Joe Rogan?

  How many hippies that I know became Republicans after they started making money?

• 2:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  Cause fifty percent of your money and you're living in a shitty, you're like, wait, I don't, hold on.

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  And they're letting criminals out. You're like, what is happening? Why does my car keep getting broken into? Like, what do you do? Why are there people camped in front of my fucking house?

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  I gave you fifty percent of my money.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is crazy. Dylan has a great bit about it, about, uh, the California offering tax, uh, breaks for people that take a homeless person into their house.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's the man, dude.

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the clips that he put up because he's got a new special that's out now.

• 2:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:55Joe Rogan?

  That he filmed at the mothership. But it's, it's so funny and so true. It's like they're just trying to destroy society. What better way to destroy your house? You have a wife and child. What better way to destroy your house than to bring some fentanyl addict in? This is how you're gonna create more chaos. And then California is trying to pass a new law, this is being proposed, where if someone breaks into your house and threatens your life, you're not allowed to shoot them.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  In your house. Imagine someone breaks into your house and is trying to get you, has a knife coming towards you, you're not allowed to kill them.

• 2:17:27Speaker 02

  What am I allowed to do?

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  You're supposed to run away.

• 2:17:32Joe Rogan?

  This hasn't passed yet, but...

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  There's no way it can. That doesn't even...

• 2:17:37Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. It's almost like they're trying to destroy people's confidence in law enforcement, confidence in community, the feeling of being safe, ramp up everybody's level of anxiety, and then offer a solution. And the solution is to disarm everybody. The solution is to clamp down further and further on gun laws, make it very difficult to have a gun. You can't have magazines, more than ten rounds, you can't concealed carry, you can't do this, you can't do that. If you have it in your car, you have to have the bullets in the trunk and the, the, yeah, yeah, yeah, the pistol's supposed to be locked up. Yeah, there's all these crazy laws that are just slowly but surely trying to take away your...

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  And you could say, no, those laws are to keep people from road rage and shootings and... Criminals commit crime. Laws don't stop criminals from breaking laws. Laws keep law-abiding people from protecting themselves. That's Damn. That's the fact. That's the fact. Criminals gonna do it anyway. They, they, the gun's illegal. The fucking, the, the, the identification number I've been sawed off. What are you talking about? They've also, like you said, they've been driven to that point. If I'm at that point, yeah, there is no rule that's gonna stop me. There's no rule. Have you ever seen that show, Trafficked? Uh, this is a, a, amazing show called Trafficked and, um,

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  they went down to, uh, LA and they followed these rogue cops who are bringing guns into Mexico and selling them.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's one of the episodes. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, Mariana Ben Zeller, she's amazing. She's been in the podcast a few times. She's brilliant. Fearless, this lady. She went to Colombia, into the jungle, where they were making coke, and then went with the mules, hiked it out with backpacks full of coke. They had backpacks and she followed them and hiked it out. They showed her how they make the coke, where they make the coke. Yeah.

• 2:19:45Speaker 04

  They weird, they changed the wording on this bill.

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. The bill was, this is where it's scratched out. Scratched out part says, "The bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including amongst others, in defense of a habitation or property." "The bill would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including among others, when a person uses more force than necessary to defend against a danger." What does that mean? That means you shoot a guy more than once. I, I gotta know he's down. Right, but you killed him instead of just shooting him. That's what they're saying. But you don't under, with this bill, this bill is like not understanding fight or flight and violence and the chaos of, uh, you realizing your life Or your family's life. You just wanna shoot that person.

• 2:20:31Speaker 04

  This, oh, and this is what it says about that part.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay. The bill would eliminate that provision. The bill would also specify certain circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including when a person was outside their habitation or property and did not retreat, when they could have safely done so, when a person used more force than a reasonable person would do. So that right there, wasn't that? A person was outside their habitation or property and did not retreat when they could have safely done so. Meaning if someone's breaking in your house, you don't, you're on the outside of the house? You don't go into the house to confront them. You retreat. You're supposed to retreat. What if I have family in the house? That's a good question. That's, this rule already is like, well, this doesn't make sense. It says it specifies the circumstances, so that might be, you know.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  But no, but Jamie, you do it in the context of the sentence. The bill would also specify certain circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including, including when a person was outside their habitation or property. But it's not, like, it's not. If you're outside, it's saying you have to try to retreat. Right, right, right. But what if someone's in your home? That doesn't clarify that. There's circumstances when, it still could be. It's just that there's certain circumstances when it's not justifiable. It still could be. Right, but the certain circumstances is listed, including when a person was outside. I'm just, he brought up a situation. Jamie, it's obvious. It's obvious. I'm just saying, I read, I'm reading it too. This is not necessary. And did not retreat when they could have safely done so. When a person used more force than a reasonable person, that's so subjective. You don't know, I don't know, that's not a real thing. What about Tim Kennedy?

• 2:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Is he reasonable? That's not a reasonable, that's gonna fuck. What about Jaco? Is Jaco reasonable? Yeah. Yeah, but, but people have to, but people have to keep their cool. What'd you say, Jamie? That's when you win a good jury, too. Good luck. I'm just saying. Why would you count on that? I'm not saying you're counting on it. I'm just saying that's why you want one. I didn't say that's why you need one. I said that's why you want one. Uh, if I was a judge, I'd say you're argumentative. However, uh, the bill would specify that homicide is justifiable if the initial aggressor, aggressor actually, and in good faith, tried to stop fighting and indicated they wanted to and tried to stop fighting as specified, or in cases of mutual combat, the initial aggressor gave the opponent. An opportunity to stop fighting.

• 2:22:46Joe Rogan?

  So if someone starts fucking you up and then gives you an opponent, gives you an opportunity rather to stop fighting. And you don't, you keep fighting them and kill them. But they've already started fighting with you. They've already, like, that's, you're in danger zone, like, to be reasonable while your life is in danger. Is to open yourself up to getting fucked up. Because it's like, no, no, come on, man, it was like bang, motherfucker, and then you're out cold. Like, you've, you've already engaged in violence. It's so subjective whether or not you should stop or not stop. Like, when you should stop is when that person's 100% incapacitated. And that might mean kill them if you don't know what's gonna stop them. If you have a gun and someone is charging at you with a fucking machete and you

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  bang, bang, bang while they're still alive and that winds up killing them. You could have just shot them once. You could be in front of a jury and they could say, you could have stopped with the first bullet. And then you have a coroner says, yes, the first bullet was fatal. Or, yes, the first bullet would have stopped him, but he shot him two additional times. Like, now you're in jail. Now you're in jail because you were terrified of your life and you thought you were gonna die and you did something in a split moment where you're not even thinking straight. Like, you're, you're

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  To ask an accountant to keep his shit together. In a, like, if you ask a Navy SEAL to keep his shit together, and they're, they're fucking, they're probably like, oh, finally, someone broke into my house.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  Oh, this motherfucker's going

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but, but Some guy actually did try to break into Tim Kennedy's house. And he, he, you know, he didn't even hurt the guy. He just said, you made a giant mistake. Came up with a gun and got rid of the guy.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  That's like those guys who start bar fights with UFC, like, with UFC, you see those kind of videos where you're like, oh, brother.

• 2:24:30Joe Rogan?

  You see the Joe Schilling one, right?

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Oh, he bops it, he kinda like, something like dude's dancing and just being a dick.

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  And then he gets him at the bar and just Boom, it's so quick.

• 2:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Dude tried to get him to flinch, he like, like

• 2:24:41Speaker 02

  That, yeah, he jumped at him.

• 2:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Jumped at him and he just ding ding ding. The wrong dude. You mean, that's karma.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  That's almost like, those things like almost make me feel like we're in a simulation. Like that's not supposed to happen in that order. You know, like when someone just hits a level of douchiness and and you're supposed to run into toe shilling.

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the perfect karmic response to like negative and a positive and a thing, you know, like go in and out. We just that, I just feel like we have to be really careful in this country that we don't get more divided um by all this fucking political chaos that we're experiencing. We gotta be real careful like as human beings that we don't fall prey to that. This is not, it's not smart for anybody.

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  No dude.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  It's not smart and we're just, there's so much unnecessary conflict, you know?

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  Well, it's usually and it's just people picking that one side and like you said, like you can't. Uh of course, I don't think people should be coming to the country and all that stuff, but I also do think women should be able to do what they want with the fucking baby in their stomach, you know what I mean?

• 2:25:45Joe Rogan?

  Up to a point, right?

• 2:25:46Speaker 02

  Up to a point, of course. But like you said, if some woman got raped and she's pregnant now, like yeah, let her, what do we doing right now?

• 2:25:52Joe Rogan?

  What are we doing? What are we doing?

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  Where's the human aspect of it?

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  And then also like if you don't feel for people that walked here with their babies because they just want to get a job as a landscaper.

• 2:26:01Speaker 02

  Let them have it.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  I just, but how do you know? You know, like I think the process for getting people in should be better, but it's also, it's like, how many can we support? Like what, what, what, what kind of a strain is this on social security? What kind of a strain is this on Medicare? You know, have, have this been, and is there a way to like make where they're from better? And wouldn't that like increase revenues? Like if, if, if all of a sudden you had another country right next door that's buying and trading and making tons of money, wouldn't that be better for everybody?

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Like if they stopped being a third world country and became a first world country, wouldn't that like be like super beneficial?

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Has that never come up in any of these units of like, oh, why don't we just try to make this place a better?

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

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• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  They let him talk. He's like, what, 80 something, 90? Out of nowhere, they let, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're letting him talk. And I'm like, who's letting him talk? This is crazy. Here, I'll say to you this, Jamie, it's so silly. He's, he's fucking gone, bro. He's gone, they let him talk. They just let him get out in the open and put a microphone in front of his place, his face. But I guess like as a former president, you can kind of request, I like a, speak my mind. One day just had just enough mixture, they filled him up with enough peptides, got a little pep in his step. Feeling good. Yeah, as a former president, I think it's important to get out there, I forget about things.

• 2:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Listen, give me some volume and go full screen, because this is, you gotta see his face.

• 2:29:41Speaker 08

  I pulled in, pulled into the parking lot. And I had never seen, I'd never seen hardly any black people in Scranton at the time. And I was only going in fourth grade. And I remember seeing the kids going by at the time called colored kids on a bus going by. They never turned right to go to Claymont High School, I wondered why. Asked my mom, "Why, why?" So in Delaware, they're not allowed to go to school, at public school, with white kids, honey. That sparked my sense of outrage as a kid, just like it does, I mean, and these young kids right here can tell you, things affect them when they learn about something that's really just unfair and unjust.

• 2:30:23Speaker 08

  You know, my dad, my dad was an honorable man. And my dad used to have an expression. He said, "Joey, your job's about a lot more than a paycheck. It's about your dignity. It's about respect. It's about being able to look your kid in the eye and say, 'Honey, it's gonna be okay,' and mean it. That's what you're all about. That's what the legislation is about. It's about dignity. Simple dignity. Everyone, everyone deserves to be treated with dignity. Regardless of their standing, regardless of their economic status, regardless of who they are.

• 2:31:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:04Speaker 08

  Making sure that more than 60 million Americans who are living with disabilities are treated with dignity. It's who we are as Americans. That's what it's about.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  I hope he does more.

• 2:31:17Speaker 08

  I mean it.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  We should have him at the mothership. Yeah, we gotta let him go up. Give him ten. Give him an hour.

• 2:31:22Speaker 08

  At school, in their communities.

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Give him a drink. He might die.

• 2:31:26Speaker 08

  He's the corner of American life. Laws like the ADA need advocates like you.

• 2:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So you can tell, he got something, he took something that morning, he was fired up, dude. He's feeling good. They got him on a good dose. Had a nice nap. He had a good nap. But it's crazy to let him do that because now we know he wasn't really running the country. Yeah. We used to think he was actually running the country and now they're like, no, he didn't even see those executive orders. Like, that was all auto-penned. He didn't even sign those things. Yeah, it is crazy how old they are. That auto-pen's a weird thing. How lazy are you, bitch? How many, how many, how many things are you signing that you have to auto-pen things? That's crazy that you can auto-pen. The whole thing is supposed to be signature. Yeah, that's, that's your job. It's also, that's the thing. That's your job. You read it, you go over it, you make sure it's right, and you sign it. What the fuck are you doing? What are we paying? I don't understand shit, man. What the fuck are we doing?

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  What are we doing? How are you auto-penning shit? That's the crazy thing about all those pardons. You know, there's like, how many pardons did he have? I think he had nine thousand pardons? And it was all auto-penned? So it's like, everybody was like this. If I had to imagine, like, worst-case scenario, I'm not assuming or accusing anybody doing this. But I would imagine if you got a hold of that auto-pen, be like, yo, yo, yo, I got the auto-pen. Who needs? All the boys is out. I need money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get rich, and you're trying to get free, and let's get something rolling.

• 2:32:53Joe Rogan?

  He's hitting a button. I mean, how many ti- first of all, if you can't be tried because they decide that you're mentally incapable of standing trial, that's what they said about him. They were gonna try him on some classified documents case. They said, the judge ruled that he was incapable of standing trial while he was running for president for the second term. While he was running for president, they were saying he's incapable of standing trial. So if we're saying that there's something wrong with him cognitively, but we're still allowing him to give people pardons? Like, if he can't, if he's not sane enough, if he's not there enough to stand trial? To defend himself. How could he be there enough to decide whether or not someone deserves a pardon?

• 2:33:36Joe Rogan?

  That seems insane. And then, how could you use the auto-pen?

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  He's like, what about that guy? Yes, pardon him. What about that guy? Let him off, he deserves it.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Nine thousand, there's no way. If you have all the time in the world, how are you going over nine thousand cases?

• 2:33:56Speaker 04

  Most of those were the marijuana releases.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's nice.

• 2:33:59Speaker 04

  Federal.

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  How many of them?

• 2:34:01Speaker 04

  Sixty-five hundred or so.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  But auto-pinning it is, when you think about what that means, that is crazy.

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Yeah. It's just, is that shit for sale?

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Pardons are crazy anyway. You just let somebody out of jail because you're the king.

• 2:34:19Speaker 02

  I'm the king.

• 2:34:20Joe Rogan?

  Fucking, fuck, fuck that, fuck that trial.

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Fuck that jury.

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  I like that guy.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  You're free, bro.

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  I, I don't mind it, yeah.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's crazy power. Let people out of jail.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:34:33Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:34:34Speaker 02

  In mass numbers.

• 2:34:35Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. What was the total? I'm trying to find the exact number. Okay.

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  Cause nine thousand.

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Sixty-five hundred, I agree with. I agree with all those marijuana ones.

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, that's, that's not a real thing. I feel bad.

• 2:34:46Joe Rogan?

  The craziest shit, that there were people in Colorado that were in jail for selling marijuana, looking out the window of their prison to marijuana dealerships. Selling marijuana legally.

• 2:35:00Speaker 02

  And nice packaging.

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  With barcodes on it.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Cartoon characters smiling when they're high on them.

• 2:35:07Speaker 02

  Snoop Dogg on the cover of a bag.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:10Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:35:10Joe Rogan?

  See, that's the good thing about progressive governments, right? Progressive governments like Colorado, they, they realize that people's right to experiment with all kinds of different things, including alcohol, but also like, you should have the freedom to take things. You should have the freedom to explore your own consciousness. And Colorado agreed with that real early. You know? That's the good thing about progressive governments, and that's the bad thing about a lot of conservative governments. They want to stop you from doing that. You know, they want to prosecute people for that fucking grass. That dirty, where's your dope? Your fucking dope?

• 2:35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't like it when your mind opens up a little bit. But you said it earlier. Oh man, if we could just get everybody on mushrooms, everybody might love each other and all these things.

• 2:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:54Speaker 02

  That is scary.

• 2:35:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they think that way, though. Eight thousand.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  A record-setting number includes a collective act of over 6,500 individuals for marijuana possession convictions. So it's really not like he has more than anybody else.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, Washington did it.

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it looks like more than everybody else. Because it's just 6,500. He actually only released 1,500 then.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at Andrew Johnson.

• 2:36:21Speaker 04

  It ended up being closer to 9,000, I think, at the end of the day.

• 2:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, at the end?

• 2:36:24Speaker 04

  It's like 2,500.

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  So even then, 2,500, not pretty normal.

• 2:36:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, how many did, um, um...

• 2:36:31Speaker 04

  Obama did, uh...

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  Almost 2,000?

• 2:36:35Joe Rogan?

  What about Trump?

• 2:36:36Speaker 04

  Uh, he did 1,500 on the first day, because they were all the January 6th people.

• 2:36:39Joe Rogan?

  How come Trump didn't free Joe Exotic? Let him go.

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  Put the Tiger King out, dude.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Tiger King 3, we need it.

• 2:36:46Speaker 04

  He only did 230 on the first term, it says.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, only 237, that's not a lot. Oh, so the new one, when he came back, he pardoned 1,500 individuals connected to general... They keep saying Capitol riots.

• 2:37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  But, wow, Andrew Johnson, 8,000 pardons? That's what it said, Andrew Johnson, 1,900.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  He sold those bitches. For silver coins. Sitting in his fucking bathtub with all these silver coins.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  But that's crazy that pardons were going back all the way to George Washington.

• 2:37:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how many did George Washington have? A lot, right? 1,700, is that what it said?

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  Good old George.

• 2:37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy, I just got into that stuff, because I saw Hamilton like 2 weeks ago for the first time.

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:37:38Speaker 02

  You ever seen that?

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  No. Is it good?

• 2:37:41Speaker 02

  Brother.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  You see it on Broadway?

• 2:37:43Speaker 02

  Brother, no, I saw it, I saw it on, uh, they brought it to Texas Bass Concert Hall. And then in these last like 3 weeks, I have studied everything, I, I'm addicted to it, bro.

• 2:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:37:52Speaker 02

  Joe?

• 2:37:53Joe Rogan?

  Derek?

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  It's the second greatest piece of art to ever be art.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  What's number 1?

• 2:37:58Speaker 02

  Harry Potter books.

• 2:38:02Speaker 04

  I wish you were here for this argument, Joe.

• 2:38:03Speaker 02

  Harry Potter books is number one.

• 2:38:05Speaker 04

  When he was going off at Metis about this.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  Well, these motherfuckers was trying to bring up the Bible. It's like, get the fuck out of here, dude.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Harry Potter's better than the Bible?

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  Not even close.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:38:14Speaker 02

  It was, Joe, it's already the second greatest selling book of all time, and it's only been out since 1997.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  Think about that.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  That is pretty crazy. I'll tell you what, my, my kids are addicted to it.

• 2:38:26Speaker 02

  It's the, well, I read it, I read it, this is also, I read it like a month ago. I just found out about both these things, and...

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  I knew Harry Potter, I saw the movie. I knocked it all out.

• 2:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  I knocked the whole thing out.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  How is it?

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  It's the greatest thing ever written.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Is it better than the movie?

• 2:38:39Speaker 02

  It's not even close. And I love the movies. Movies are great. But it's so fucking good and so in-depth and so... I mean, it's the classic hero story, you know, hero's tale, but man, it's so fucking good. And rereading it and just how deep the characters are and how incredible it is, and it is beautiful. But Hamilton is number two, greatest art. And I mean, when I say art, I mean, anything ever written, painted, musically sung.

• 2:39:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  One, two.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And then the Bible?

• 2:39:10Speaker 02

  Maybe the Departed. Departed might be three. If you haven't seen Departed, man, at first, when that elevator opens up and Leo gets his head blown off, I think, oh, I feel it still.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Departed might be three. That's, you, oh, you just killed all your credibility.

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  He took Departed over Apocalypse Now.

• 2:39:25Speaker 02

  Oh, Apocalypse Now, great.

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  How dare you take Departed over Apocalypse Now?

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  I love Apocalypse Now. But, Hamilton, Joe.

• 2:39:32Joe Rogan?

  That good.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  Brother, it's so, if you like history, because I'm not a history guy, I'm not, Hasan, me and Hasan talk about, because he loves history, and I'm, you know, I know what I know, but I'm not looking for it.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  I watched this shit, man. It was so cool. Everything is educational, the whole thing. And you think it's gay, because it's like, oh, it's a musical.

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  You think it's gay?

• 2:39:49Speaker 02

  Everyone's black, like, why is Thomas Jefferson black? You know what I'm saying? Like, everyone in the play is black, and they're all playing these guys, Thomas Jefferson, Washington. But everything is singing. The whole thing is singing. So the writing is incredible, and it's literally the story of Alexander Hamilton. And I had no idea how important this man was.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:40:07Speaker 02

  He was an orphan. And then you know that the, it ends, of course, with the duel between him and Burr.

• 2:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  Which is insane, you know, Burr was vice president when he killed the treasurer.

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:40:17Speaker 02

  Hamilton was treasurer and he killed him in a duel while he was vice president.

• 2:40:24Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  Cause they had fifteen years of beef and you get to see why they been beefing. It's just two ideologies of this man grew up orphan, mom died, dad left him. He's from the Caribbean, Alexander Hamilton. He's just an absolute genius who had to come out of the absolute mud. Aaron Burr's a trust fund kid. Who is a politician through and through. He was raised to be a politician who never played, you know, his cards are close to his chest and he never shows anybody what he's thinking. True politician. Hamilton's a wild guy. Uh, well, I mean, everything from just the way, he didn't like how Hamilton always is talking and. Hamilton is a loud guy and, and he's just a rambunctious. And didn't follow the rules of politics. He was very, you know, wild card. He was also young and Burr was like, no, you, you do it this way. You do it this way, this is how you're supposed to do it.

• 2:41:08Speaker 02

  So that happened for fifteen years and then the, what made him kill him was Burr was gonna be president. He was going against Jefferson. Jefferson and Hamilton had been beefing, they're, they hate each other. But Hamilton didn't like Burr so much because he said, at least Jefferson stands for something. And the last vote to make Jefferson president over Burr was Hamilton. And so that, and then of course he talked some more shit about him and then Aaron Burr was like, we're dueling. Fuck you.

• 2:41:35Joe Rogan?

  With musket guns.

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  Musket guns.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Those old school bullshit guns.

• 2:41:38Speaker 02

  And he, cause he shot Burr, I mean, no, Hamilton wasn't trying to kill him. He shot over his head, cause that was like a thing you do if you weren't trying to kill somebody, but you were like, I'm letting you know, but like, we're dueling, but I'm not trying to kill you.

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:47Speaker 02

  But he didn't know, cause he shot first. Burr just thought he missed. So he shot him right in the fucking stomach, right in the ribs, killed him. And it was at the, it was like a few miles away, maybe like near, right near the same spot where Hamilton's son died three years before.

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Like the law, that law of knowing when it's too much. Like he could have just shot over him.

• 2:42:07Speaker 02

  Could have.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  The other guy shot over him.

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  But I thought you, I thought you just missed. How am I supposed to know?

• 2:42:11Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were trying to kill me.

• 2:42:12Speaker 02

  I thought you were trying to kill me.

• 2:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:42:14Speaker 02

  And no one saw it because, you know, they, so to have a duel, you had to have other people there. You had to have a doctor, you had to have, two people had to have representatives, all this stuff, but everyone turns around. So that way there's no, no one could go to prison for it. So they tried Burr for it, but there's, there's no eyewitness. And it ruined the rest of Burr's life, the rest of Burr's life because everyone loved Hamilton. Cause Hamilton was George Washington's right hand man. He fucking is the, one of the main reasons we won the Revolutionary War. He was the, remember when David Letterman got caught for cheating and was like, well, I'm gonna go out and, I'm not gonna get blackmailed. I'm gonna go out and say, hey, I cheated on my wife. Get the fuck out of here, like I'll, I'll take the heat. Hamilton was the first guy to do that.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  The Reynolds pamphlets, where a woman did the same thing, a wom- he fucks this lady, and her husband comes up to him later and is like, "Hey, you owe money." You know, like, the husband's like, "Hey, you fucked my wife. I know you fucked my wife. I know who you are. You can, and you can keep fucking her. I think she's a whore too."

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  Said it, "But I want money."

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:43:04Speaker 02

  Yep, and then, of course, Jefferson.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  How much money?

• 2:43:07Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think it was like thirty dollars. But I don't know what that was at seventeen hundred.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  If I could go back and talk to Hamilton, I'd give him the money, man. Dude's cool.

• 2:43:14Speaker 02

  No, but he wanted, he wanted continuous money.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  How much?

• 2:43:17Speaker 02

  I, I don't know the number exactly, but I think it was-

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  How good is this lady? How fun is she?

• 2:43:22Speaker 02

  Apparently, she was pretty good.

• 2:43:23Joe Rogan?

  If you can keep this relationship going, it's like beneficial to everybody involved.

• 2:43:28Speaker 02

  Everyone, dude.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  You just need a little money? Oh, okay. You're not even mad?

• 2:43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you got the money, you Hamilton.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is he doing? Spend that money. Spend them fun coupons.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  But I think he also still, you wanted, he didn't like that, uh, the other politicians were using it over, like, "Hey, we found out that you were doing this, that."

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Were they all monsters back then?

• 2:43:45Speaker 02

  They were all monsters. I mean, they all fucking slaves.

• 2:43:47Joe Rogan?

  They were all slaves. That's what's the craziest thing, the moral high ground of the beginning of this country. We were getting away from these evil, "We got slaves!" What are you saying? Everybody's a monster.

• 2:44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, Washington's the most loved, had the most.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  It's like everywhere you go, there's hypocrisy, you know? Like, did you ever see that thing when Don Lemon was talking to this lady about reparations for slavery? Did you ever see that thing?

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. Please find this. Don Lemon is talking to this British lady about reparations for slavery, and she lays out the beginnings of slavery to Don Lemon, and you see Don Lemon's dumb ass like, "Oh, very interesting." Watch this.

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  He didn't know.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  It's just, he was saying something that, you know, there should be reparations for slavery. I, I think it's a political talking point at this point in time. I think there's people that still think that people today should get money because their ancestors were slaves. I totally understand that argument. However, what this lady's saying, did you find it?

• 2:44:46Speaker 04

  It just has like a five second thing and then it talks about the whole-

• 2:44:49Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but there's a video. I watched it yesterday.

• 2:44:51Speaker 04

  I'm just saying it didn't have it on the thing I'm looking for.

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I bet on YouTube it's available.

• 2:44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, Don Lemon, for a smart guy, seems like an-

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  No, he's not.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  Idiot sometimes. Yeah, it's like, for a guy who looks smart.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  There's other people reporting on it. Okay, let's hear it, though.

• 2:45:08Speaker 09

  And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism and they're wondering, you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there. Some people want to be paid back and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are, you know, you have all of this vast wealth? Those are legitimate concerns.

• 2:45:29Speaker 10

  Well, I think you're right about reparations in terms of if people want it though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the beginning of a supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain? That was in Africa and when, across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that abolished slavery? The first nation in the world to abolish it. It was started by William Wilberforce, was the British. In Great Britain, they abolished slavery. 2,000 naval men died on the high seas trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people, they had them on cages, waiting in the beaches. No one was running into Africa to get them. And I think you're totally right. If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that supply

• 2:46:14Speaker 10

  chain and say, who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffed in cages? Absolutely, that's where they should start. And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those families where they died in the high seas trying to stop the slavery, that those families should receive something too, I think, at the same time.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dumbass.

• 2:46:32Speaker 09

  It's an interesting discussion.

• 2:46:34Joe Rogan?

  He knew he was in deep water.

• 2:46:37Speaker 02

  She knew what the fuck she was talking about.

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he knew he had no history in his mind. He's like scouring his mind for an argument like, yeah, I'm gonna check out on this one right here.

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  He wanted something easy. He wasn't ready for that.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  The producer's in his ear, wrap it up, Don. Wrap it up, wrap it up, we're going to commercial, we're going to Pfizer.

• 2:46:52Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, when the woman brought up the ships and everything, you're like, ooh.

• 2:46:54Joe Rogan?

  We got an Ozempic commercial on deck. Wrap it up, wrap it up. Oh, that big, oh.

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the dirty thing about it. It's like there's, people were monsters.

• 2:47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  Irish were slaves forever. People were indentured servants. They're brought over here. People have been monsters forever. And instead of doing that now, now they're, you know, picking fruit, picking lettuce. You know, with no healthcare.

• 2:47:23Speaker 02

  For two dollars.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and we're shipping jobs over to there. So they work in these factories. They're working sixteen hours a day for a dollar an hour. Or a dollar a day sometimes.

• 2:47:33Speaker 02

  Joe, when I was in Abu Dhabi, one of the drivers who was taking us somewhere, he said, uh, he was happy. He was happy because his family lives back in Lebanon or wherever they live. But he was happy because he just got a raise to like two dollars an hour. From the dollar fifty. And he, but I mean, Joe, you'd have thought he was a millionaire now. He was like, oh my god, like, it's like a fifty cent raise. But he was like, the things I'll be able to do for my family back in Lebanon and all this stuff. And it was like, holy shit.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:48:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then you're there and everything there is beautiful and pristine and everything seems like the richest things in the world. And they were really nice to us and it was awesome. Because we were getting to do the rich things. But when you were talking to that guy, I vividly remember that conversation. Because of how truly happy he wasn't. In his head, he was like, this is great. Two dollars an hour.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  His expectations were very low.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  But that's the real, that's the reality, like, when people like Bernie Sanders talk about, like, oligarchs. And if you're gonna have haves, like, extreme haves, just by the nature of the world, you're gonna have have-nots. And the disparity between haves and have-nots is off the charts. And it's probably only gonna get bigger. That's what's really kinda scary with AI and the ability to generate wealth and what you're gonna be able to figure out and do and the different ways that people are gonna be able to manipulate markets and dominate certain industries with AI. I think the have and have-nots, and then you're gonna have also automation, which takes over everything. So all these jobs.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  Gone.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I was just driving. Have you ever, like, we're not gonna be driving much longer, dude.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  I don't think my kid, that I'm about to, I don't think my kid's gonna know driving. I think, I think they'll know, like, no, you just, everyone has an automated car.

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, check this out. I'm gonna share this with you, Jamie. I did this yesterday in my car. My car just drives itself, dog. Just drives itself. If you have a Tesla, and if I put in my address, I go doo doo. I press these buttons and it just takes off. It stops at red lights, it changes lanes. It like slows down when the traffic slows down, speeds up when the traffic speeds up.

• 2:49:40Speaker 02

  You could completely check out if you wanted to.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Totally check out. You could totally check. I don't do it. I keep my hand near it. I'm still freaked out.

• 2:49:47Speaker 02

  Cause you've been driving your whole life.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's also, it just feels weird, but it does it.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  You got the video?

• 2:49:54Speaker 02

  And it does it well too?

• 2:49:55Speaker 04

  I'm just trying to make sure I'm not showing, it's, it got other stuff on the screen and it doesn't cover that up, so.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, does it show things on the screen?

• 2:50:01Speaker 04

  On my screen.

• 2:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how dare you. Did it fuck up?

• 2:50:05Speaker 04

  No, no, no. I just, that.

• 2:50:07Joe Rogan?

  What does it show? Like my address?

• 2:50:08Speaker 04

  No, it shows stuff that I don't want shown on the screen on my computer, is what I'm saying.

• 2:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay, here it is. Check this out. This is me in the car yesterday.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't like to do it all the time, but every now and again. It's pretty wild. It changes lanes, it hits the blinkers. See, look, it sees all those cars. That screen, it's a representative of all the cars. It knows where all the cars are. Look, it's changing lanes. It hits the blinker and changes lanes to get around these trucks. It's, uh, the future. Wild.

• 2:50:40Speaker 02

  It's over.

• 2:50:41Joe Rogan?

  How wild is that? It shows you on the screen, on the front where your dashboard is, it shows you all the cars around you, all of them. It keeps track of them. It knows how fast they're going. See that guy pass me on the left? It shows that. It's wild.

• 2:50:54Speaker 02

  He's flying by you, so it's like, oh, it know, it knew the speed and rate that he was going.

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  And it knew that there was an open lane, so it hit the blinkers and it changed lanes. And it knows there's people behind me, it knows there's people to the right of me. And it stops at red lights dude, and then speeds up again, stops at stop signs. It sees the cars to the left and cars to the right, knows when to go. And you could just kinda check out. You just like, hold your hand like this. Think about your life.

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Have the robot drive you around. That is just gonna be everywhere. Everyone's gonna be driving in these robot taxis. You're not gonna own a car. Like, this is what the World Economic Forum wants. You will own nothing and you'll be happy. You'll be like that man who has two dollars an hour and so happy. All your food will be free, you don't need a job. That's where the have and have nots get sketchy. Because when automation takes over everything, "Don't worry, we'll give you universal basic income." And suddenly they give universal basic income to everybody, so everybody's reliant 100% on the government now. And then there's people that own all the electric taxi companies and own all the computer factories and own all the AI companies and all...

• 2:52:08Speaker 02

  The semi trucks that'll be automated.

• 2:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Those are the oligarchs. Those are the haves. And the haves never wanna give that up. They always want more and more and more. They always wanna keep winning that game. They wanna stack money, they wanna be the first trillionaire. They wanna say, "Keep stacking."

• 2:52:24Speaker 02

  Game of Thrones, dude. Because then it goes to your family and your fam... And then all of a sudden, you're like, "Oh, maybe we can... Our family can be president one day." Our family now can...

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  I drink your milkshake. That's it, man.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  What a callback. That's exactly what it is, dude.

• 2:52:38Joe Rogan?

  That's it, man. It's a natural human dominator instinct. It's a tribal dominator instinct. And it's just applied to fiat currency and Bitcoin and financial power and influence. And they wanna control social media. "We're gonna give everybody a vaccine." Nuts.

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  You know those Waymos? This is how I know it's gonna be have and have nots. You know those Waymos cars? Those self-driving cars? If you order one, it's still the same price as like an Uber, pretty much. So it's like, where is this money going?

• 2:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:07Speaker 02

  I thought the money was going to the driver.

• 2:53:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:09Speaker 02

  Like, I thought, "Okay, I'm giving half the money to the company, probably half the money," or whatever, however they split it. But so now you're telling me there's no driver, but the price is the same. So you're not gonna lower the price.

• 2:53:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:18Speaker 02

  Where is this extra money going?

• 2:53:19Joe Rogan?

  In their pockets. John, that's scary. More profitable.

• 2:53:22Speaker 02

  Because they're gonna do that with semi trucks? They're gonna do it with everything, they're like...

• 2:53:25Joe Rogan?

  And then they're gonna try to pass legislation to stop driving. You shouldn't be able to drive. Because their money is in driving you around. Why should you be able to drive? You're dangerous.

• 2:53:34Speaker 02

  You cause accidents.

• 2:53:35Joe Rogan?

  Statistically, statistically, humans cause all these accidents.

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  You drink, humans do this.

• 2:53:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's how they can get you. That's why they're saying, you know, we don't need beef. Cows are destroying the environment. Cows are responsible for climate change. And what a convenient thing I have here, my plant-based meals, my plant-based burgers. You need unstoppable meat. Whatever the fuck they have.

• 2:53:57Speaker 02

  But it'll be just like Animal Farm, because they'll still be eating cow, they'll be eating. The top people are gonna eat cheese and the nice fun things.

• 2:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they're gonna be eating dodo bird burgers.

• 2:54:09Joe Rogan?

  They're eating Siberian tiger loin.

• 2:54:14Joe Rogan?

  They're having a good time carving up some rhino steaks. They're a bunch of monsters. And, you know, that's, you know, the, the whole, um, market for rhino horns?

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  You know what that market is for?

• 2:54:24Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  It's rich people that want to get off on the fact that they're drinking tea from an endangered species. That's what's, the, the rhino horns, that's what they're valuable for. That's why people are killing people. They're killing people so that they can kill the rhinos, they can cut their horns off, so they could sell them to Asia. Where very wealthy people get off on the fact that they're drinking rhino horn tea. And they think it makes your dick hard.

• 2:54:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do think it makes your dick hard.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is hilarious. You know about Viagra, bitch? You heard of BlueChew? What are you talking about? It's so stupid. But it's like, there's way better ways. You don't have to kill the rhino. But that's not the point. The point is they wanna kill the rhino. So that they, they get this forbidden thing. We're responsible for extinction here as we sip this tea.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  That's how dark people get. That's like the type of people that want exclusive things.

• 2:55:17Speaker 02

  That's Swag Games, bro.

• 2:55:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:55:19Speaker 02

  That's that, that's that I wanna watch people.

• 2:55:20Joe Rogan?

  Darkness, man. That's darkness. That's real human beings will do that. They will drink rhino horn tea. That's the only market for rhino horns. They're not valuable. It's not like tusks. Like, elephant tusks are made out of ivory, and ivory is very valuable, and they use it for all kinds of different things. They always used to use it for ornaments. They used to make pool balls out of ivory. And then, they stopped allowing people to sell ivory, and then you could only buy, like, pre-ban ivory in America. And, but that makes sense, because you're, you're killing an animal for this one thing that's a commodity, and it's fucked up. But the rhino horn don't even make sense. Like, you're killing an animal just so you could drink the tea? That's crazy and they're almost extinct.

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Also to kill such a like.

• 2:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Majestic.

• 2:56:07Speaker 02

  Creature, a creature, wow, this is a fucking animal dude.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  A crazy looking creature, man, like it doesn't look like it belongs in this time. It looks like it's one of the dinosaur days.

• 2:56:15Speaker 02

  I read this thing yesterday about, you ever heard the, the bear that's called the boss?

• 2:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that one bear that's, he's got like thousands of kids. He got hit by a train.

• 2:56:26Speaker 02

  That means he got hit by a train, it was like running back, running back you bitch ass train.

• 2:56:30Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna knock this motherfucker off the tracks this time.

• 2:56:32Speaker 02

  That's, he got hit by a train twice, has all the cubs, and apparently eats other bears sometimes just to let them other, remind people, cause he's so old, that people, the young bears try him. So I started, he eats them sometimes, just to be like, I gotta let everybody know.

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Bears eat bears, that's real common. Yeah, they eat cubs, it's real dark. A friend of mine saw it, he saw, my friend Jonathan up in Alberta, he saw a bear and a, the, the sow and the boar were fighting. So males the boar, females the sow, they were fighting because the bear, the male was trying to kill the cubs, as the female's trying to fight him off. And eventually she can't fight him off and she retreat, and he gets a hold of one of the cubs and kills it, and then she scares him off of the cub that he killed, and then she eats the cub. She eats her own cub. Once it's dead, she's like, I'll just eat it.

• 2:57:20Speaker 02

  Why do you think, out of just, it's food?

• 2:57:22Joe Rogan?

  It's just food, once it's dead, it's just food.

• 2:57:26Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 2:57:26Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking crazy. You think, you think two dollars an hour is hard life?

• 2:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Bears is shitting on ghettos, like you think it's hard?

• 2:57:37Speaker 02

  You think it's hard?

• 2:57:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I go outside every day thinking I'm gonna get eaten.

• 2:57:40Speaker 02

  Dealing with the boss bear.

• 2:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well that's what happens also when you have, that's how nature balances out ecosystems, right? Because if there's no natural predators for bears, they, they have to, they have to eat themselves. Just nothing can eat a grizzly bear. So they have to eat each other. That's the only way they keep the populations down.

• 2:57:57Speaker 02

  To keep it, so all there's still some salmon and some other things left for everybody else.

• 2:58:01Joe Rogan?

  So when, when cubs are born, there's two things that happen. One, well, there's three things. One, the male thinks of them as food. So he wants to kill them for food. Like they hunt them, they go into the dens. When the males come out of hibernation early, they go into dens to look for cubs to eat them. They know they do that for food. Two, they try to bring the female into estrus again. So if they can kill the cubs, then the female will want to breed so she can have more cubs. And so it'll get the, the female so that she'll want to breed again. And then three is competition. They look at those cubs as potential future competition. So it's all these horrible ways. It's this beautiful nature. Nature's amazing. Nature is a fucking bloodbath.

• 2:58:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a bloodbath. Even the grass is screaming. They found out the grass screams now. Yeah, plants make noise when you're eating them. Nah. They just can't move.

• 2:58:56Speaker 02

  I can't, that's too much.

• 2:59:00Speaker 02

  That is, the fact that we are at the apex, because you were saying something yesterday, we were talking, we were saying how like, it's crazy to think that aliens wouldn't think we're interesting.

• 2:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's that dumb argument that I had with Neil deGrasse Tyson. I'm like, what are you saying?

• 2:59:11Speaker 02

  Because when you think about like, man, we are the top dog on this planet. That's interesting in itself.

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Different than everything else here. If you're going to study anything, anywhere in the fucking universe, of course you would study human beings. If you're going to study anything, you would go, what is this wild, crazy territorial primate with nuclear weapons and cellphone addictions? What is this motherfucker up to?

• 2:59:33Speaker 02

  And they're soft, we can easily be killed.

• 2:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Easily.

• 2:59:35Speaker 02

  And we're still top dog.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  And they might have made us. They might have engineered us, son. That's a real on the table, less than zero percent or more than zero percent possibility. We might have been genetically engineered. It's a real possibility. It's a real possibility when you look at, uh, other primates and us, like what happened here? What happened here? How, how are our cousins still roaming around barefoot, covered in hair?

• 3:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:04Joe Rogan?

  You know? Swinging from trees, eating bananas, and we are somehow or another flying rockets with an all chick crew.

• 3:00:14Joe Rogan?

  And then landed with parachutes, like, what? Why are we so different? And why we keep seeing UFOs? Like, what the fuck is going on here?

• 3:00:22Speaker 02

  And we control, we control the tigers, the things that could kill us. And we, we're like, no, we're in charge.

• 3:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're in charge of bitch ass water balloons. We're basically blood balloons, sticks, holding it all together.

• 3:00:32Speaker 02

  Compared to things that are fucking built like trucks.

• 3:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, every, like a rhino. Like, how the fuck is a rhino in danger for its stupid horn when our bitch asses are ones killing the rhino?

• 3:00:43Speaker 02

  Dude?

• 3:00:43Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't mean, make any sense. We're not even eating them. Just killing them and sawing off their fucking horns.

• 3:00:49Speaker 02

  That would be, yeah, if you're an alien, you're like, they do what?

• 3:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Do you see what they're doing now to rhinos to prevent this? They dart them and saw their horns off first, so that no one wants to kill them. How fucked up is that?

• 3:01:01Joe Rogan?

  How fucked up? Have you seen that?

• 3:01:03Speaker 02

  No, but the rhino must need the horn and like, like for the protection for, like, it must need it in some way.

• 3:01:08Joe Rogan?

  If they want to fight, yeah, they want to fight other rhinos and fight off lions and shit like that, yeah. They need that horn. I mean, it's the reason why they have it.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they evolved to have this giant fucking weapon in the middle of their face.

• 3:01:19Speaker 02

  So to cut it off? I mean, fuck that ass.

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  What a fucked up way to go.

• 3:01:24Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen him launch lions into the air?

• 3:01:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, fucking.

• 3:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Launch those motherfuckers in the air. Like, fuck you, bro. Try getting through this.

• 3:01:32Speaker 02

  But, yeah, to cut that off. What does that do to the rhino? Can it live out in the?

• 3:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it lives fine.

• 3:01:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:01:38Joe Rogan?

  It lives fine, but it just doesn't have a weapon anymore. But it also is not attractive to the main monster, which is humans. And humans that just wanted to drink a tea to get your dick hard.

• 3:01:47Speaker 02

  Just get rocked up.

• 3:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 3:01:49Speaker 02

  Bricked.

• 3:01:50Joe Rogan?

  They don't even work, I don't think. Does it work? I don't know, does rhino horn, it might be one of them ancient Chinese secrets, it's legit. Does rhino horn get your dick hard? No evidence. How dare you?

• 3:01:59Speaker 02

  I have a friend, you know that Ron Taylor comedian? He's Afro, he's, he's in the green, he's at mothership. He told me he took it one time, he's like, man, I couldn't see anything, but my dick was fucking touching the ceiling.

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  He took rhino horn?

• 3:02:09Speaker 02

  He took, but like the gas station, I don't know if that's real.

• 3:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not a safe thing.

• 3:02:13Speaker 02

  Is that not for safe?

• 3:02:14Joe Rogan?

  That's those Red Band pills. No.

• 3:02:16Speaker 02

  But he said he couldn't see, but man, his dick was hard, he said he could feel it.

• 3:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no. That's like Rhino 2000, those gas station boner pills. Yeah, those are legit, sometimes. But I mean, you wanna talk about taking a chance on your life. Like, who knows what's in there?

• 3:02:32Speaker 02

  That is.

• 3:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Who knows what's in there? That was another thing I was reading about, like, Chinese illegal vapes. Like, bootleg vapes that have entered into this country. Like, pretending to be legitimate companies that are selling vapes and they're just using fucking gutter oil and who knows what the fuck's inside of those things. People are getting sick from them. Yeah, that no one gives a fuck about you, man. Not in most of the world. Most of the world is just trying to get them dollars. Get them dollars, Joe. Fuck the world.

• 3:03:03Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck that, man.

• 3:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Alright Derek, tell everybody about your special. This is, we talked this whole time. Didn't tell anybody about your special.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  We didn't, but, my brother, first thing I ever put out, man, I'm really excited. First thing I've ever put out, dog.

• 3:03:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm excited for people to see it.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  And then, Don't Tell, I really appreciate them and I feel like they're the new, uh, Premium Blend or Comedy Central Presents, like, back in the day, you know, that era, you know? Cause I feel like Kill Tony is a mix between, like, Late Night and America's Got Talent. It's like a different thing. Whereas this is for, like, guys who are more my age who are like, alright, big companies really don't want them, and you can put it on YouTube yourself, but do you have the money to make something that looks nice? We'll make it for you and get you your first, so you can have your first thing out.

• 3:03:42Joe Rogan?

  And where can people watch it?

• 3:03:44Speaker 02

  YouTube. Just YouTube, Don't Tell Comedy.

• 3:03:46Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 3:03:46Speaker 02

  There it is, it's out, baby.

• 3:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:03:48Speaker 02

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 3:03:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm very happy for you, brother. Very happy. I've been watching you grow since you came to Austin, it's been beautiful. It's been amazing. And knowing you from the Comedy Store, you're one of the first guys to take the chance coming out here, we all just said, fuck it.

• 3:04:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, dog.

• 3:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Wound up together and we were right.

• 3:04:04Joe Rogan?

  We were right.

• 3:04:05Speaker 02

  We were fucking so right, dog.

• 3:04:07Joe Rogan?

  We were so right, we're having so much fun.

• 3:04:07Speaker 02

  I mean, even Joey's gonna be here tonight. It's old school days.

• 3:04:10Joe Rogan?

  It's old school days, yeah, Joey's here tonight. Very, very excited. And, you know, Joey's performing here, Moon Tower's in town. Todd Glass was there last night, that was great. It's been, Joe DeRosa moved here now, too.

• 3:04:22Speaker 02

  He's the fucking best, I love him, man.

• 3:04:23Joe Rogan?

  We are having so much fun, man. We're having so much fun. I appreciate you, brother.

• 3:04:27Speaker 02

  I appreciate you, Joe. Thank you so much for this, man.

• 3:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, my pleasure. Uh, everybody, go check it out, it's on YouTube right now, Derek posting on Instagram.

• 3:04:35Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 3:04:36Joe Rogan?

  And everywhere else.

• 3:04:36Speaker 02

  Everywhere else, yes, sir.

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