#78 Tim Burchett - Non-human Biologics, UFO Encounters, and Mexico's Alien Bodies | Part 2

This week on SRS, we welcome Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett to the show. Burchett is one of the few congressmen that is actively pursuing the uncovering of UAP / UFO phenomena, regardless of how much flak it may bring. Burchett put together the first hearing for Congress to seriously evaluate UAP / UFO reports in 50 years. Part two of this episode covers the hearing and breaks down multiple testimonies and encounters. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://shopify.com/shawn https://ziprecuriter.com/shawn https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" Tim Burchett Links: https://twitter.com/reptimburchett https://www.instagram.com/reptimburchett Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:01Shawn Ryan?

  Previously on The Sean Ryan Show.

• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  What was the conversations that sparked this whole thing?

• 1:08Tim Burchett?

  It all started with TMZ.

• 1:12Speaker 04

  Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been sighted by different pilots? And can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is?

• 1:21Speaker 05

  Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere.

• 1:26Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes?

• 1:31Tim Burchett?

  Two military pilots, best in the world, best trained, best aircraft, everything. Sworn testimony, swear to God, that they, and before Congress, and that they had chased a craft. Mr. Graves, again, I'd like to know, how do you know that these were not our aircraft?

• 1:55Shawn Ryan?

  When we come back, we will unpack the actual aircraft.

• 2:04Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Tim, we're back from the break. We're getting ready to dive into the UAP hearing. But before that, there have been a couple of other things in the news lately that actually both this month that I'd like to get your thoughts or maybe a little bit of a debrief on it. One being the hearing with NASA. What happened there?

• 2:26Tim Burchett?

  I think like the Pentagon, the other agencies, I think they're realizing, again, America believes, and the world frankly believes, we're not alone. I think they smell dollars. NASA is, they're always hungry for money. They're trying to get to Mars. They're trying to do all this other stuff. Again, since 1947 at least, our government's been lying to us. Now, all of a sudden, they want money to study the issue. And I, I just, you know, the folks that they had come talk to us the other day, I didn't know that the press wasn't invited. I would have not come to the meeting if I'd have known that, actually, because it was,

• 3:10Tim Burchett?

  they did, they talked about nothing. And they've talked about if something was spotted, who would be in charge of it? I think somebody even tweeted about it that, you know, it'd be the Space Force. You know, there again, your own agency. And then they talked about how they wanted to get with the other agencies. And so they collaborate. That's the big word they always use. A sort of a think tank word, collaborate. You hear that a lot, like these leadership groups, we're going to collaborate. And I think that's what, you know, it's just about money. They just want more money to study it. And I say, just turn loose the files, turn loose of everything you got.

• 3:53Tim Burchett?

  And then they said, they said, well, what if you saw them with a, you know, whatever, telescope? Well, we wouldn't see a UFO with a telescope. And they said, you know, and they said, and these people said, we don't, we honestly, nothing we have is confidential. That's what they said. Nothing NASA has is confidential. Now, think about that. Satellite imagery, all this other stuff is not confidential.

• 4:19Shawn Ryan?

  Are they saying it's not confidential?

• 4:22Tim Burchett?

  Entire NASA was not confidential, so.

• 4:24Shawn Ryan?

  I guess what I'm saying is, is it below? Are they saying everything is below confidential? Or is this, are they saying everything is above confidential? Cause confidential.

• 4:33Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, they said it is not confidential.

• 4:36Shawn Ryan?

  That could be secret and top secret, or that could be unclass- completely unclassified.

• 4:40Tim Burchett?

  Speaking out of both sides of their mouth, actually. Because as it turns out, um, you know, they have satellite imagery. And then they just said, it's, what they were saying was, everything they have is open to the public.

• 4:53Shawn Ryan?

  Open source.

• 4:54Tim Burchett?

  Open to the public. So, I just don't buy that. And again, I think those people there, put them on a lie detector, they are telling the truth. For what they knew. They're just the little compartmentalized bureaucrats that they were. And that's all, their little world, that's all, their little world was their little world, and that's all they knew. But, again, um, it just, it just boiled down to dollars. And I, you know, I asked them, I said, how can, how are we supposed to believe you all that all of a sudden, you wanna study these things when you've told us they don't exist? They didn't really have a clear answer.

• 5:34Shawn Ryan?

  Nothing?

• 5:35Tim Burchett?

  It was just like a lawyer. Not a very good one at that.

• 5:42Shawn Ryan?

  So are they just asking for money? Like that's literally the.

• 5:45Tim Burchett?

  No, they were saying, well, no, we're just doing it, we're studying it within our own purview. But then they, but if you read the report though, read the report, the first paragraph, it talks about, I think it's robust resources, we will be using robust resources to study. Now, where are they gonna get that money? They're gonna take it away from their, uh, the, uh, ships, rockets, rockets they're sending to Mars? Or to the moon again, or what? And, uh, no, they gotta come up with new money. And, and that, again, this is just feeding the kitty, is all they're doing. And, uh, and, and, you know, you have several, so several different agencies, what I've found out, have said they don't exist.

• 6:27Tim Burchett?

  Now, several different agencies say they do exist, and they're gonna start studying them. So, what has changed?

• 6:36Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know, but you know, we, we kinda.

• 6:42Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, let's talk about the money. We talked about this on a little warm-up video, but you know, what I don't understand is there's all the black budget programs and we had talked about all the money that's going to Ukraine and which is basically feeding the military-industrial complex companies which are overcharging the government and that's how we both believe that these black projects are being funded by overcharging the government other areas and then funneling that money in. So is this, do you think that they just believe this is an easy grab now that UFO, UAP activities-

• 7:16Tim Burchett?

  Statistically, and then when you see Schumer's come forward with his thing and I see all these UFO people saying, "Are you getting on board Schumer's? We've got a real, we've got somebody that's really turned on." I mean, you got, you got the swampy of some swamp creatures. I mean, don't knock him. Every time I've met him and talked to him, he's been super, nothing but nice to me. But, you know, it's just about money. We take in $5 trillion a year and they want to spend over $7 trillion and that's a conservative approach to these folks.

• 7:48Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, wow. Do they, I mean, so did NASA, do they get, do they get in-depth on what they're going to spend the money on or is it just, "Hey, we need more money because we want to study these things"? Are they saying, "Hey-"

• 8:04Tim Burchett?

  They couldn't, they couldn't get real specific, again. And it's just limited, their, their knowledge is limited. It's, "Give us money so we can develop a plan." I mean, that's where it's going to come down to. "Give us money and we'll develop a plan and then we'll come back to you on how we've spent your money." And they'll come back with, "It's inconclusive." So why? Because they can continue studying. If they, if they found it and said, "Hey, we got, we found life. We've got this saucer over here. We've got these, this group over here." They wouldn't need that gun money anymore. So obviously-

• 8:40Shawn Ryan?

  So in your opinion, this is just complete nonsense?

• 8:43Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 8:43Shawn Ryan?

  They shouldn't be giving them any more-

• 8:44Tim Burchett?

  Give them more money to study. Listen, if you're going to go to Mars, stick to your net and go to Mars. If we're going to use you to track Soviet satellites, then let's do that. If we're gonna, you know-

• 9:00Tim Burchett?

  Everything else, I think they just need to stick to their knitting.

• 9:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. How about the UAP hearings in Mexico?

• 9:10Tim Burchett?

  You know, our, our one guy that was down there that was in ours, um, he went down there and, uh, he, he was legit and I, you know, they brought these bodies forth and I'm, you know, I don't know anything about them other than what I've read and what I've heard. I, they, if they could get them up, you know, noted ufologists have studied them, noted Mexican doctors, you know, that's Mexican, it's not exactly the place I'd go for any procedures. I wouldn't get a splinter removed south of the border. You know, and bring them up here. Let's take them, let's take them to, let's take them to one of our research places and let our top research places, if they're serious about it.

• 9:51Tim Burchett?

  This is the same guy who was rumored to have involved in a former thing where they had some mummies and they turned out they were just a bunch of, um, I think it was little Mexican kids that had died and they mama, they put them in mama, it was years ago. There was a situation, uh, he was rumored to have been involved with that situation. I just, you know, bringing forth something like that was just kinda.

• 10:17Shawn Ryan?

  This is, this is, so this is the, the same guy that put this on is the same guy that was?

• 10:22Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 10:24Shawn Ryan?

  What's the point of it then? Why would they have this?

• 10:27Tim Burchett?

  Well, they come out now and said they're the first government to say there's UFOs. I just think,

• 10:33Tim Burchett?

  again, something they got took. I just don't think, the Americans went down there with an open, open mind and, and, uh, I think they left disgusted with it.

• 10:42Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I gathered.

• 10:44Tim Burchett?

  And the people that I know that are in the, the serious people in this country, you know, they, they didn't want to say anything because they don't want to, but they, they've all confided in me that it's, they thought it was pretty much of a hoax.

• 10:58Shawn Ryan?

  Just a publicity stunt or something?

• 11:00Tim Burchett?

  Well, and the guy got in there and he now he's probably, he's rich, he'll travel the country. He'll give, he'll be writing books about it and he'll display them at the carnival or something and.

• 11:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Tim Burchett?

  You know, I'm sure there's money attached to it. There always is.

• 11:15Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that set us back? Do you think it affected the genre at all?

• 11:19Tim Burchett?

  It'd have set us back if I'd have put it in ours, which you know, they didn't want to come up here.

• 11:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:24Tim Burchett?

  I mean, we had the most talked about UFO hearing in the world. I mean, bar none.

• 11:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:30Tim Burchett?

  International. We had people covering it from all over the world and um. I was literally having to turn down interviews just because there was just not enough time. Had to be places and. And blogs and podcasts or what podcasts, I guess you call them. And um, and never heard it from these guys once.

• 11:49Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. What do you, what are, what do you know about other countries and they're not just Mexico, but?

• 11:56Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, well, Canada is big involved. Over in Europe, huge. England is um, has. They've had departments that have studied this and people have come forward with information. So yeah, it's um. I think it's a, and you've got, of course, you've got Soviet Union collapses and things, we lose things. You've got um.

• 12:18Tim Burchett?

  The Italians uh, claim that there was a deal and it's been written about and I haven't had time to chase it really. Um, some deal with the uh, the Vatican and that they recovered, you know, they sponsored an archaeological type thing and they recovered something. Um, of course, you got the Nazis, of course, in the Second World War. I don't put a lot of faith in that. I think they had a lot of technology going on. They had Werner von Braun in the V2, but they uh, they never could perfect a lot of their stuff. They were going a hundred different directions. And um, they didn't learn how to mass produce stuff like you could take a, you know, M1 carbine, you could take um.

• 13:05Tim Burchett?

  They'd take the slide off of it, one made by Inland Marine and put it on one made by Winchester, you know, I mean, they couldn't do that. The Germans couldn't do that. And we mastered that. You know, mass production, similar, something works, stick to it, it's cheap, it works, produces, let's go. And they would have, you know, they're intricate and very precise with their things, you know, and that's, oddly enough, that's how they got a lot of their war criminals, because they kept such incredible records of the horrible things they were doing to those poor folks, that they, they hung them, they hung those bastards after the war because they, they found a lot of information. But, um, but I think there's, um, yeah, um, there's been some

• 13:47Tim Burchett?

  pretty well documented cases all over the world.

• 13:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, George Knapp reports that Russia has had at least 45 UAP encounters. Uh, former British defense official, Nick Pope, says that the, they are aware of UAP programs in both China and Russia. Scott Bray, acting director of Naval Intelligence, reports there are no signs of extraterrestrial involvement. I mean, it's, it's, it's just everybody's all over the board here. Are you, are you, do you have any information previous to China and Russia's UAP programs?

• 14:29Tim Burchett?

  A little, you know, they, their landmass is so large that they, um, um, they have a, um, and, and they keep things so secret. So when it's, when it comes out, it's, it's usually very old, and it's been chewed on so much, you don't really know what part of it's the truth or not. So I don't get too hung up on all that stuff.

• 14:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 14:51Tim Burchett?

  Cause there's enough here that you could, you could spend your life, five lifetimes and not, and not ever get it all disseminated.

• 15:00Shawn Ryan?

  With, with as much information and, and evidence and, and video footage that's, as you've, as you've had access to.

• 15:13Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anything in particular that you find a commonality in all the different reports, like maybe where do the majority of UAP sightings happen?

• 15:23Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, military installations, but I, you know, but I couch that because obviously military installations are where radar is going to be and where our high-tech stuff's going to be. And are they, they checking out our craft, are they checking out these areas, or are they just, they're just, they're just prevalent and they have such, we have such high-tech equipment that it picks them up. Because, you know, pilots tell us how these things had hovered out there for hours and there'd be like, you know, like I think, even on one of the audios or one of the tapes, you said, man, there's a squadron of those things out here and that's not a fake, that's a real deal. You know, I've talked to some of the pilots that, that were there and that saw that and

• 16:05Tim Burchett?

  said that, so, um, I think, I, so I, I'm not sure that it's just, just military installations, but, I mean, I, I mean, if they're going to fly here and check something out, they're going to see where we're, we're our best and brightest are, I would assume, and just checking us out and, um.

• 16:24Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know if that's in the military anymore.

• 16:26Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I said about.

• 16:28Tim Burchett?

  Just being honest. They asked me about, about seeing any UFOs in Washington DC and I said, no, I said, because they said there's no intelligent life down here.

• 16:35Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man. All right, well, let's start, let's start moving into the actual hearing.

• 16:42Tim Burchett?

  Right.

• 16:43Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, once again, this is the, the biggest event ever to happen within the, within the, the subject matter.

• 16:52Tim Burchett?

  Sure.

• 16:53Shawn Ryan?

  And you did a phenomenal job putting that together.

• 16:55Tim Burchett?

  Had great people, the other congresspeople, you know, Luna, she's, she's great and Jared Moskowitz, we're not the same party and we're so far apart on everything, you know, he's Jewish and I try to be Christian and he's, he's a, um, you know, I'm very conservative and he's not, obviously, he's got an incredible mind, man, God gave him a gift and, uh, I was just honored that he took part in it and, um, and my buddy Matt Gaetz walked in and somebody says, is Gates mad at us? And I said, Gates has got his game face on and man, when it, when his turn came, it just, it rocked.

• 17:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Tim Burchett?

  And, uh, you know, he's, he's no slouch, um, he, he, he looks, he, he likes the fight.

• 17:40Speaker 06

  Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating that there was a UAP incident that required my attention. I sought a briefing regarding that episode and brought with me Congressman Burchett and Congresswoman Luna. We asked to see any of the evidence that had been taken by flight crew in this endeavor, and to observe any radar signature, as well as to meet with the flight crew. We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew. And initially, we were not afforded access to images and to radar. Thereafter, we had a bit of a discussion about how authorities

• 18:22Speaker 06

  flow in the United States of America, and we did see the image. And we did meet with one member of the flight crew who took the image. The image was of something that I am not able to attach to any human capability, either from the United States or from any of our adversaries. And I'm somewhat informed on the matter, having served on the Armed Services Committee for seven years, having served on the committee that oversees DARPA and Advanced Technologies for several years. When we spoke with the flight crew, and when he showed us the photo that he'd taken, I asked why the video wasn't engaged, why we didn't have a FLIR system that worked. Here's what he said. "They were out on a

• 19:04Speaker 06

  test mission that day over the Gulf of Mexico, and when you're on a test mission, you're supposed to have clear airspace. Not supposed to be anything that shows up. And they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the United States Congress." One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again, like I said, not of any human capability that I'm aware of. And when he approached, he said that his radar went down, he said that his FLIR system malfunctioned,

• 19:47Speaker 06

  and that he had to manually take this image from one of the lenses, and it was not automated in collection, as you would typically see in a test mission. So I guess I'll start with Commander Fravor. Well, how should we think about the fact that this craft that was approached by our pilot had the capability of disarming a number of the sensor and collection systems on that craft?

• 20:18Speaker 07

  Well, I think this goes to that national security side, and you can go back through history of things showing up in certain areas and disabling our capabilities, which is disheartening. And for us, I mean, like I said, it completely disabled the radar on the aircraft when it tried to do it, and the only way we could see it is passively, which is how he got that image. So I think that's a concern on what are these doing, not only how do they operate, but their capabilities inside to do things like this.

• 20:42Speaker 06

  And how should we think about four craft moving in a very clear formation, equidistant from one another, in a diamond? In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Grave, that you've analyzed, have we ever seen multiple craft in a single formation?

• 21:01Speaker 05

  I have one particular case, and that was during the Gimbel incident. The recording on the AT FLIR system shows a single object that rotates. You hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects that is not visible on the FLIR system, and that was something that I witnessed during the debrief as part of the radar data on the situational awareness page. I would like to add, whoever, Congressman, there's a small bit of anger, I would say, I would feel, that those pilots are still facing that difficulty in reporting this topic, and they don't have the tools to be able to mitigate this issue. It just goes to show how serious this is and why this is such an important issue for our pilots and for our nation.

• 21:40Speaker 06

  It was stated explicitly to me by these test pilots that if you have a UAP experience, the best thing you can do for your career is forget it and not tell anyone. Because any type of reporting, either above the surface or below the surface, does have a perceived consequence to these people, and that is a culture we must change if we want to get to the truth. Ms. Chairman, I would observe that perhaps as we move forward from this hearing, there are some obvious next steps. Every person watching this knows That we need to meet with Mr. Grush in a secure compartmentalized facility so that we can get fulsome answers that do not put him in jeopardy and that give us the information we need.

• 22:24Speaker 06

  Second, I would suggest that the radar images that were collected of this formation of craft out of Eglin Air Force Base and specifically the actual image taken by the actual flight crew that we can actually validate be provided to the committee, subpoenaed if necessary, so that we're able to track how to get this type of reporting and analysis done in a more fulsome way. That would be my recommendation, humbly as a guest here of the Fine Oversight Committee. I yield back.

• 22:54Shawn Ryan?

  I will say it was very refreshing to see two sides come together.

• 23:02Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, well, you know, I asked, and I asked AOC, she's a buddy of mine, I call her Cortez, she calls me Burchett, I still don't think she quite gets that I'm not out to get her. It's like I'm gonna go up to the Bronx or wherever the heck she's from and beat her or she's gonna come to Knoxville, Tennessee and beat me. I mean, you know, it's kind of, you know, I used to kid Speaker Pelosi, I would, I wish she would cuss me on the six o'clock news one time. I said that I could just stand on the corner of Kingston Pike and North Shore with just a Bushel basket and she said, why is that? I said, because people be throwing money at me. She thought that was great and I said, if you need me to come work against you in San Francisco, just call me, you know.

• 23:45Tim Burchett?

  But, but no, you know, it is a nonpartisan issue and I think there's a complete distrust of government. It's well earned and it's both parties do that. And I think we kind of seized upon that.

• 23:57Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about some of the roadblocks that you guys faced going into this. I know you got turned around at several different military installations.

• 24:05Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, I went down to, was it Eglin, I guess, down in Florida, I think, myself and Luna and Matt Gates, they're all, they're both from Florida, so I went down there and...

• 24:19Tim Burchett?

  Ate about three dozen raw oysters at the, at someplace Matt, his bride took me to. And, um, and then the next morning we went to that meeting and, you know, we're told we're gonna go, we're gonna be briefed and seen pi- see pictures and, and, um, trying to visualize it all in my head, cause it's still, it was so predictable. And, uh, meet the pilots. So, we go into the skiff, which is, you know, James Bond kinda stuff. Yeah, I don't have a Fitbit, but if you had a Fitbit, you had to take it off. You got a watch or anything electronic or a phone, you had to put it in a little, similar to the things they found the cocaine in at the White House. Those kinda compartmentalized things.

• 25:03Tim Burchett?

  And, uh, so we go in, it's a big room. Lot of, lot of brass, lot of suits, probably CIA or NSA or somebody, I don't know. And, um, you know, and they gave us a great briefing on some really scary stuff that's going on, uh, in and around where they are. And, um, Can you elaborate on any of that? Not really, cause of the, see, that's a, that's, that's what I'm saying, this is a trap. We gotta get in the skiff to get this information. Well, in some instances, i- i- unless it's been put out, which all this stuff,

• 25:48Tim Burchett?

  mostly the stuff at Eglin was put out by other people in the room. Um, but if they tell you that stuff, it's secret. You're not allowed to talk about it. Unless it's been, the press has been out there. But anyway, so, and that's a trap. You know, that's what they wanna do with David Grush. They want, let's get him in the skiff, let's get this information. Well, it's kinda questionable if they do that, if we can, if we can even talk about it, you know? People say, well, it'll help us devise our questions. And I just, I just think it's a trap. So, I just take him at his word and we go on. Uh, but, anyway, so, um,

• 26:31Tim Burchett?

  Matt basically just says, hey, y'all have a, it's not what we said we were coming down here for. And he said, yeah, I appreciate all this, but this isn't what we, you know, we were told we were going to get to talk to pilots, we were going to see pictures, we were going to get to interview the pilots on what they saw. And they said, you can't do it. You don't have the, you know, you don't have the credentials or whatever. We don't have, you don't have clearance. You don't have the clearance level. Yeah. And, uh, which is not true. So technically, we're supposed to have the clearance.

• 27:10Tim Burchett?

  And Matt said, I tell you what we're going to do. It was like, he said, um, we're going to come in here, we're going to ask, we're going to, we're going to have a hearing in DC. And we're going to ask you some questions. And I'm paraphrasing what Matt said, but he said, y'all are going to perjure yourself on something you've said, and we're going to hold you accountable. And said, now, which is it? And they said, we're not, and I said, all right. He said, I'm calling Washington. I'm only going to talk to somebody in Washington. So, um.

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• 28:50Tim Burchett?

  Whoever at Pentagon, you know, Matt and the general brought us a nice fruit tray, I remember up there and the room was bugged, by the way, that was a funny thing. The room was, they had these mics connected and all this other stuff and it was just, you know, I don't, it's typical BS. And so, um, when I was enjoying a delicious fruit tray at government expense, Matt was talking to the Pentagon and about an hour later, the general came in and there was one of his people, I can't remember which, said, "All right, we're bringing them in." And so, we go back down and, um, and they talked.

• 29:35Tim Burchett?

  They talked about, and Matt described it in his, in the, in the hearing about some things. And, uh, I always took this from us, that, that what Matt said in the hearing, he said, "These were craft that were, none of our enemies or our adversaries or, or friends had, and nobody in this world had this type of aircraft. Is that correct?" And they all said, "Nope, nobody's got those." Unanimously, without hesitation? Without hesitation. Just went down the line. And I'm not sure if he asked that, anyway, but that led up to all that, which I thought

• 30:18Tim Burchett?

  was, was, uh, I don't know if magnificent's the right word, but it was, you know, you don't ask a question unless you know the answer. And, uh, and I, and it was, uh, it was historic, I guess, because they, it's funny that the wheels in Washington leadership, both parties, they just, "I'll let Burge go ahead and do this thing, you know, they'll show up." You know, they had like a thousand, and they said they had more people there than they've ever had at anything. I walked down the hall and they were lined up around me. People saw me and started clapping and getting selfies and stuff. I got up at fourth, I, I left the office at 4:30 that morning to go be on Fox to talk about the hearing coming up. People were already lined up, dude, outside the building at 4:30 in the morning.

• 31:02Tim Burchett?

  Met people from overseas that had flown in on their own dime. I remember that's when some kid came from Alaska, he said, "I'm flying here on my own dime." I said, "Well, get in line, brother." And you know, it was, the hearing was, I don't know, three hours, maybe, I don't know, two and a half hours. People never left and they had, what you didn't see was they had a whole nother viewing room packed with people were watching it. Yeah. And so, um, you know, people of all, white folks, black folks, different faiths, um, had a priest in there of all things who came to watch it. And, um, and a reporter told me they'd been there 15 years and said, said, Tim, and he named all these hearings that went on.

• 31:47Tim Burchett?

  He said, I never had any that this much interest. Man. And that's what caught leadership off guard, I think. Did that surprise you? No, it did not. I, I thought they'd try to turn a lot of them away. You knew how, how much interest this subject carries? They, and we tried to have, it was funny, we had a press conference. My, my press secretary, Rachel, said, you know, boss, we're going to do this press event. And I said, okay, whatever. And I didn't really think much of it. You know, I just said, we're going to sit there and answer a few questions. And I was getting ready to walk into our conference meeting. I call it was caucus when I was in the state legislature's conference now. And, um, I'm sorry, I look off a lot.

• 32:29Tim Burchett?

  I'm trying to visualize because I can, I can visualize it in my head, what we were doing. I remember I was walking down the hall and a reporter set their microphone, handed to the camera and said, Hey, Tim, can I talk to you for a minute? And this was a reporter from a major network. I said, yeah, brother, what's up? And I thought, maybe he's in trouble. I don't know. You know? And he said, Hey, uh, you have this press conference called tomorrow, right? And I said, yeah, yeah. And he said, you know, they put you in a room that's under construction. I said, this is a big event. Nobody, you can't get in that. There won't be enough room for y'all to even hardly be in there. And I was like, really? And so we did some checking and in fact, I mean, you know, every step of the way, they

• 33:13Tim Burchett?

  tried to block us. And that always just inspired me to push a little harder because even the press knew that there's something going on with this thing. And they got all this other stuff to cover. Hunter Biden and the president and all those shenanigans and cocaine at the White House and the border and fentanyl and all these incredibly important things. But every reporter pretty much was, was on top of that thing. Yeah. Yeah.

• 33:44Shawn Ryan?

  What other kind of pushback did you get?

• 33:47Tim Burchett?

  We get pushback from our own Republican staff, you know, trying to discredit members. They, um, I was, apparently I was mistaken, but I was, you know, I was told I was going to chair this meeting.

• 33:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Tim Burchett?

  The day before I was told, no, in fact, you're not going to chair this meeting.

• 34:02Shawn Ryan?

  Who makes that decision?

• 34:04Tim Burchett?

  Uh, well, it comes from on high. It's got to go through the speaker to the chairman or whatever, you know, and, but it was fine. The guy that chaired it did a good job and, and, um, I don't think he realized, you know, how big it was going to be.

• 34:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Tim Burchett?

  Have the tiger by the tail on that one.

• 34:21Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, was that McCarthy's decision?

• 34:24Tim Burchett?

  I don't know. I don't know. I guess, I mean, it could have been the chairman. It could have just been, could have been, I just misunderstood. But I mean, you know, if you, you saw any interview leading up to that, it said, Tim Burks, it will be chairing this. I mean, Luna, she, she said I was going to chair it. Gates said I was going to chair it. Moskowitz said I was going to chair it. Everybody said I was going to chair it. And then I was told, but you know, again, they asked, I got out there, you know, I tweeted, I said, I've just been informed and I dropped it at that because I didn't want the issue to be me or the, what was going on. I wanted it to be, I wanted to be what was in that thing. Cause that could have easily blown up into, you know, we just walked off and then, then it could, they would have been sitting there talking about Chinese spy balloons

• 35:09Tim Burchett?

  the whole time.

• 35:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Tim Burchett?

  Which is what, which is what a lot of them wanted it to be about.

• 35:14Shawn Ryan?

  That's what a couple of them brought up.

• 35:16Tim Burchett?

  They did. And they, they, you know, folks like that are tied to leadership and that's fine.

• 35:24Shawn Ryan?

  I thought something funny was going on when they pulled you off that. In fact, I asked you, why'd you get pulled off? But, um, but, um,

• 35:32Tim Burchett?

  We touched a nerve. I mean, you know, we tried to do the select committee and intelligence. Yeah. Another instance, one other thing before I forget, and I'm sorry to pull you off of your thought, but the, the TA, uh, the, the TAA reauthorization, transportation reauthorization bill, I had an amendment on that just said, if a commercial pilot, not a, not a, you know, armed forces, a commercial pilot spots a UFO or UAP that they, when they make that report, that it has to be made to Congress as well.

• 36:09Tim Burchett?

  The bill, the amendment was not even allowed to be heard. The whip came to me on the House floor and said the intelligence community, not the intelligence committee, but the intelligence community, had some problems with that. A bunch of unelected bureaucrats, once again, you wonder how they can still fund Ukraine while the rest of the country goes, goes without. Unelected bureaucrats, once again. And they, and they, it wasn't even heard in committee. And to me, that, that's unacceptable.

• 36:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that's disturbing. Where do you think that the motivation comes from, especially from people in your own party trying to discredit you, or whoever's decision it was to pull you off chair in that hearing? Where's the motivation coming from?

• 36:58Tim Burchett?

  Got too much attention, we're turning over too many stones, too many people were getting uncomfortable.

• 37:05Shawn Ryan?

  So are these people being paid?

• 37:08Tim Burchett?

  I don't know. I don't know what they're doing. I honestly, I mean, that's, it's the swamp. I mean, it's the, it's the crookedest thing I've ever been around in my life. But I mean, it's, it's, everybody says, what's your biggest surprise when you got to Washington? And I was not surprised because it's, you know, it's just human nature and they play upon it. People want to be liked, they want to be popular, they want to have money, they want power.

• 37:36Shawn Ryan?

  Let's, I think it may be from coming from the reverse engineering, supposedly reverse engineering projects and maybe some of these, these military industrial complex companies may be paying people off to try to discredit you.

• 37:57Tim Burchett?

  Well, I mean, you know, they can take them to dinner one night and then, hey, we got this little condo down here at the beach, why don't you bring your, your girlfriend or boyfriend or both down to the beach or something? And, you know, they get their, they get their tentacles into them, their claws into them, and then they just own them. And it's just a, they develop a relationship and everybody wants to be liked. And I get it. I get it. I'm not angry at anybody. I'm not even disappointed. I'm not even surprised. It's just, it's just what I deal with on a daily basis, just about on any issue.

• 38:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's the way it is up there.

• 38:33Tim Burchett?

  That's what needs to change.

• 38:35Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's unpack, let's unpack the actual hearing now.

• 38:38Tim Burchett?

  Okay.

• 38:39Shawn Ryan?

  So I'd just like to go through each guy's testimony, you know, even though it was all kind of intermixed, but let's start out with the pilots.

• 38:50Shawn Ryan?

  David Fravor.

• 38:52Tim Burchett?

  Commander Fravor?

• 38:57Speaker 07

  Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Carsmen, Carswomen.

• 39:02Speaker 07

  I want to first thank you for the invitation to speak to the committee on the UAP topic that's been in the news for the past six years and seems to be continuing to gain momentum. As you know, my name is David Fravor. I'm retired commander in the United States Navy. In 2004, I was a commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41, the world famous Black Cases. We were attached to Carrier 11, stationed onboard the USS Nimitz and had begun a two month workup cycle off the coast of California. On this day, we were scheduled for a 2V2 air-to-air training with the USS Princeton as our control. When we launched off Nimitz, my wingman was joining up. We were told that the training was going to be suspended and we were going to proceed with real-world tasking.

• 39:41Speaker 07

  As we proceeded to the west, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to, and we were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived.

• 39:51Speaker 07

  The controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks, coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up, for those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet is space.

• 40:06Speaker 07

  We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet, and the controller called merge plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact. As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some whitewater off our right side. It's important to know that the weather on this day was as close to perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego. Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps from waves. So the whitewater stood out in a large blue ocean. All four of us, because we were in F-18Fs, so we had pilots and Wizzo in the backseat, looked down a small, white Tic Tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south and moving very abruptly over the water, like a ping-pong ball. There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings. As we started clockwise towards the object, my Wizzo and I decided to go down and take

• 40:50Speaker 07

  a closer look, with the other aircraft staying in high cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft, and began to climb. We continued down another 270 degrees, nose-low, where the Tic Tac, or we continued 270 degrees toward, and we went nose-low to where the Tic Tac would have been. Our altitude at this point was about 15,000 feet, and the Tic Tac was about 12,000. As we pulled nose-on to the object, within about a half-mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingman, roughly 8,000 feet above us, lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the whitewater was at, and it was gone also.

• 41:34Speaker 07

  So as we started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, "Sir, you're not going to believe this, but that thing is at your cap point, roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute. You can calculate the speed." We returned to Nimitz, we were taking off our gear, we were talking to one of my crews that was getting ready to launch, we mentioned it to them, and they went out and luckily got the video that you see, that 90-second video. What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released, and we don't know where it's at, of the active jamming that the object could on an APG-73 radar, and I can get into modes later if you're interested. What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated, none of my crew were ever questioned, and tapes were never taken, and after a couple days, it turned into a great story with friends. It wasn't until 2009 until Jay Stratton had contacted me to investigate.

• 42:15Speaker 07

  Unbeknownst to all, he was part of the ATIP program in the Pentagon, led by Lou Alzondo. There was an unofficial official report that came out that's now on the internet. Years later, I was contacted by the other pilot, Alex Dietrich, and asked if I'd been contacted. And I said, "No, but I'm willing to talk." I was contacted by Mr. Elizondo, and we talked for a short period of time, and he said we'd be in contact. A few weeks after that, I was made aware that Lou had left the Pentagon in protest and joined forces with Tom DeLonge, Chris Mellon, Steve Justice, and others to form Two Stars Academy, an organization that pressed the issue with leading industry experts and U.S. government officials. They worked with Leslie Kean, who is present today, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper to publish the articles in the New York Times, 2017, New York Times, and it removed the

• 42:58Speaker 07

  stigma on the topic of UFOs, which is why we're here today. Those articles opened the door for the government and public that cannot be closed. It has led to an interest from our elected officials, who are not focused on little green men, but figuring out where these craft are, where they're from, the technology they possess, how do they operate. It also led to the Whistleblower Protection Act and the NDAA. There are multiple witnesses coming forward to say, that have firsthand knowledge, and Mr. Grush just covered that. What concerns me is that there's no oversight from our elected officials on anything associated with our government processing or working on craft, believe not from this world. This issue is not a full public disclosure that could undermine national security, but it is about ensuring that our system of checks and balances works across all work done in the government using taxpayer funds.

• 43:42Speaker 07

  Relative to government programs, even unacknowledged waived programs have some level of oversight by the appropriate committee members in the House and Senate, and this work that is said to be occurring from whistleblower testimonies should not be exempt. In closing, I would like to say that the Tic Tac object we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything that we had on time, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10 years. If we in fact have programs that possess this technology and needs to have oversight from those people, that the citizens of this great country elected in office to represent what is best for the United States and best for the citizens, I thank you for your time. Thank you very much.

• 44:15Tim Burchett?

  His concern was that there was going to be a collision, and his concern was, literally, with the pilots, that they have some safety and security, because the government's saying this isn't happening and this is not going on. I mean, it was just a genuine concern, and he's been brought into it because of what he'd seen. What did he see? Can you go through his testimony?

• 44:43Tim Burchett?

  So you're asking me to remember too much. I was, I was up, I was up on stage moving around pretty quick. Um. Let's see.

• 44:54Tim Burchett?

  I can throw it all together. Seems, uh, one of them, they were hovering and they went out to them. And then they'd seen them multiple times. Then they chased them. And then, um. Well, they both were pretty similar as far as that went down. I mean, I, you know, I. I knew their testimony before they gave it. I mean, obviously, um, because I had, uh. You know, I'd researched them pretty good, pretty well. And I, all I wanted them to do was to, to get up there and just tell what they saw. And just, and, and show that they had nothing to gain from it. And, um.

• 45:38Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, maybe give them a little credibility because I'm sure they'd taken some abuse over it. Yeah. And. You know, and the tic, the, um. The Tic Tac videos, of course, because they're shaped like the candy. Was the interesting thing to me is that it didn't show a heat trail. It went underwater. They followed them, they chased them. I'd say they chased them, they weren't really. They had the capabilities of just smoking them if they needed. I mean, they couldn't, they couldn't keep up with them. They went underwater at one point. And, um, and they didn't lose any, any speed at all. They went underwater? Yeah. They followed them and they went underwater and they came back out.

• 46:21Tim Burchett?

  And if you just follow their natural trajectory, a big word for me, but if you follow their, the movement. They went and then they, it just, and they just came back up. It just didn't even, didn't even faze them. Did they see them underwater? Uh, at one point, and, and one of the things they could, but, um, they were using. I forget which kind of infrared they were using to, to follow them. It wasn't infrared because it didn't show a heat signature. It was, um, well, I forget the terminology, but it was, you know, I'd. I'd watched those videos a hundred times before because every time I'm on TV, they always show them. And, um. You know, and they keep saying they don't exist.

• 47:02Tim Burchett?

  The government says they don't exist and then yet, um, they do and, and, um.

• 47:09Tim Burchett?

  I'm pretty sure one of the people you we mentioned in the earlier segment might have had something to do with getting those out to the public. And so.

• 47:18Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I would love to talk to that individual.

• 47:20Tim Burchett?

  I'll work on that.

• 47:21Shawn Ryan?

  If you would make that connections kindly, please.

• 47:24Tim Burchett?

  I'll try to make that connection, but, you know, again, you know, what I said in my opening statement was, I don't, we're not going to bring little green men in here. We're not going to bring a flying saucer. All we're going to do is bring people out that have nothing to gain, basically, to get this stuff out there to the American public. Because they've been told so long, this isn't happening. It's not real. And these guys are going to tell you it's happened. And all three of them pretty much did. You know, it just, it was, it was almost surreal, really, because I kept, you know, my whole life, and I watched those TV shows, and I just, it makes me angry that they keep saying the government has this stuff, or these people, and they won't allow them to speak.

• 48:07Tim Burchett?

  And then I got in a position where I could put it out there. It was a little, pretty satisfying for me, just that we pulled it off. And, and, you know, and as I, they were talking, a lot of the times they were talking, I was, the camera be on them, I could talk to members of both sides of the aisle, and encourage them in their questioning of where they were going with this stuff. And so it worked really well for all of us, I think. The whole committee really worked well.

• 48:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Let's move into Brian Graves' testimony.

• 48:40Tim Burchett?

  Okay.

• 48:41Shawn Ryan?

  And what he wanted. So Brian Graves, also a naval pilot, firsthand account, saw UAP. Do you remember his testimony specifically?

• 48:50Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, yeah. Hey, interesting thing about his was, he saw it, compartmentalized it, never talked about it.

• 49:00Speaker 05

  I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes for your opening statement. Thank you. Chairman Grothman, Ranking Member Garcia, distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, Representatives Burchett and Luna. My name is Ryan Fobbs Graves, and I am a former F-18 pilot with a decade of service in the U.S. Navy, including two deployments in Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Inherent Resolve. I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand, and I'm here to voice the concerns of more than 30 commercial aircrew and military veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me. Today, I would like to highlight three critical issues that demand our action. As we convene here, UAP are in our airspace, but they are grossly underreported.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  These sightings are not rare or isolated, they are routine. Military aircrew and commercial pilots, trained observers whose lives depend on accurate identification, are frequently witnessing these phenomena. The stigma attached to UAP is real and powerful and challenges national security. It silences commercial pilots who fear professional repercussions, discourages witnesses, and is only compounded by recent government claims questioning the credibility of eyewitness testimony. Parts of our government are aware of more about UAP than they let on, but excessive classification practices keep crucial information hidden. Since 2021, all UAP videos are classified as secret or above. This level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding, but fuels speculation and mistrust.

• 50:26Speaker 05

  In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11 of the Red Rippers. And I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. After upgrades were made to our jet's radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assumed they were radar errors, but soon, we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, eventually through visual ID. During a training mission in warning area Whiskey 72, 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, two F-18 Super Hornets were split by a UAP. The object, described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere, came

• 51:07Speaker 05

  within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter. The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and returned base. Our squadron submitted a safety report, but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings. Soon, these encounters became so frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs.

• 51:33Speaker 05

  Recognizing the need for action and answers, I founded Americans for Safe Aerospace. The organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who were previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe intake process. More than 30 witnesses have come forward and almost 5,000 Americans have joined us in the fight for transparency at safarospace.org. The majority of witnesses are commercial pilots at major airlines. Often, they are veterans with decades of flying experience. Pilots are reporting UAP at altitudes that appear above them, at 40,000 feet, potentially in low Earth orbit or in the gray zone below the Karman line, making inexplicable maneuvers like right-hand turns and retrograde orbits or J-hooks. Sometimes, these reports are reoccurring, with numerous recent sightings north of Hawaii

• 52:16Speaker 05

  and in the North Atlantic. Other veterans are also coming forward to us regarding UAP encounters in our airspace and oceans. The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems. I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more will share their experiences once it is safe to do so. In closing, I recognize the skepticism surrounding this topic. If everyone could see the sensor and video data I witnessed, our national conversation would change. I urge us to put aside stigma and address the security and safety issue this topic represents. If UAP are foreign drones, it is an urgent national security problem. If it is something else, it is an issue for science. In either case, unidentified objects are concern for flight safety. The American people deserve to know

• 53:01Speaker 05

  what is happening in our skies. It is long overdue. Thank you.

• 53:07Tim Burchett?

  It was leaked. They said it did not exist. Then it came out and they said it's a fake. Then I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but he had his audio. They heard him talking and they figured out who it was and they went to him and said, "Yeah, that's me."

• 53:28Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding, that's how they found out?

• 53:30Tim Burchett?

  I think that's, it was sort of in that line of, in that line from what I understand. It might get changed around a little bit, but what I understand, that's pretty much it.

• 53:39Shawn Ryan?

  So he had never intended to actually come out?

• 53:41Tim Burchett?

  Mm-mm.

• 53:42Shawn Ryan?

  He was gonna just let this die?

• 53:44Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, I mean, it was just, it was part of his duty and he did his duty and went on about his business. Rest of it, I mean, that happened years ago. He had, he's not, I don't believe he's even in the force anymore.

• 53:54Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-mm.

• 53:55Tim Burchett?

  And he, um, but you know, they talked about how they were hovering and how they would, they took off and at the speed he took, it was just, we did the math and it was just some, it would turn you and me into a blob.

• 54:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I believe that was one of the questions was, could a human body even?

• 54:12Tim Burchett?

  Withstand it.

• 54:13Shawn Ryan?

  Withstand these G's, the G-force?

• 54:15Tim Burchett?

  But it wasn't a gradual increase either, it was just, it was gone. And, um, and he, uh, they're very compelling, again. Why would he come back to endure any criticism over this thing? When he just, he's just doing his duty. And those are the guys though that, you know, they get interrogated and, and after it's over with and they get a blemish on their record. And I, I just, uh, I wish that we, and that's too, if we were to come out and just admit that this thing's going on as we've covered it up and here's some proof we've got of it. They'd be clear, they'd be clear.

• 54:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, I think, I think it was Ryan that was, his thing was blowback on pilots for coming out, correct?

• 54:59Tim Burchett?

  Yep.

• 54:59Shawn Ryan?

  How much, how many of these pilots are getting? I mean, it sounds like this really affects these guys' career if they come out and say, you know, hey, I saw something.

• 55:09Tim Burchett?

  I think it really does. They, I heard one of them say one time that they came back and everybody was, you know, they'd gotten some aluminum foil and made like a flying saucer. And when he, he landed on the aircraft carrier, they were, you know, and they were, you know, guys were walking around with antennas on their heads and stuff, you know, just making fun of him. They all, and they were just making fun of him. And, but at some point, you know, you're like, What the heck? This is, this is going on. This is real. I saw what I saw. And these people don't believe it for whatever reason.

• 55:44Shawn Ryan?

  Do you remember, do you remember both of them talking about the propulsion systems and how there was no sound, no?

• 55:52Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, no, and, and I don't know if they said, but I've been briefed or talked about before, the, um, um, the heat signature is what they called it. It just didn't show it. It just, it just defies everything we know, that we, we know currently. And, um, I'm just, the amount of power that it took was just beyond belief.

• 56:20Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move into David Grush. His testimony, I mean, it just had, there's, there were so many different aspects of the things that he had been involved in. It was, it was kind of ironic that, if I remember correctly, he never actually saw anything with his own two eyes. It was all things that had happened on the program that he was a part of.

• 56:46Tim Burchett?

  Secondhand, yeah.

• 56:47Shawn Ryan?

  You know?

• 56:48Tim Burchett?

  Was told about and that he debriefed people on, I believe, and, and along that line, yeah.

• 56:55Shawn Ryan?

  But to me personally, it was the most, I can't really say in depth because it was so vague. It was, I gotta tell you about this in a skiff. I gotta tell you about that in a skiff. I can't answer this question unless it's in a skiff. Uh, but I guess I'll just say this, it was the one that caught my attention the most.

• 57:18Speaker 08

  Uh, thank you. I'm happy to be here. This is an important issue and I'm grateful for your time. My name is David Charles Grush. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years in the, both in the US Air Force, uh, both active duty, Air National Guard and Reserve at the rank of major, and most recently from 2021 to 2025, or excuse me, 2023, uh, at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, NGA, uh, at the GS-15 civilian level, which is the military equivalent of a full bird colonel.

• 57:50Speaker 08

  I was my agency's co-lead in unidentified anomalous phenomena and transmedium object analysis, as well as reporting to the UAP Task Force, UAPTF, and eventually, once it was established, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, AERO. I became a whistleblower through a PPD-19 Urgent Concern Filing in May 2022 with the Intelligence Community Inspector General, following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individuals that the US government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs.

• 58:34Speaker 08

  My testimony is based on information I've been given by individuals with a longstanding track record of legitimacy and service to this country, many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony to myself and many of my various colleagues. I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence over a period of four years while I was with the UAP Task Force and do my due diligence on the individual sharing it. This is because of these steps, I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this information before you.

• 59:13Speaker 08

  I am driven by a commitment both to truth and transparency, rooted in our inherent duty to uphold the United States Constitution and protect the American people. I'm asking Congress to hold our government to this standard and thoroughly investigate these claims. But as I stand here under oath now, I am speaking to the facts as I've been told them. In the US Air Force, in my National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, reserve its capacity, I was a member of the UAP Task Force from 2019 to 2021. I served at the NRO Operations Center on the Director's Briefing Staff, which included the coordination of the Presidential Daily Brief and supporting variety of contingency

• 59:57Speaker 08

  operations, which I was the Reserve Intelligence Division Chief Backup.

• 1:00:03Speaker 08

  In 2019, the UAP Task Force Director asked me to identify all special access programs and controlled access programs, also known as SAPs and CAPs. We needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission, and we were direct reported at the time to the DEPSEC DEF. At the time, due to my extensive executive-level intelligence support duties, I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust, both in my military and civilian capacities. I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

• 1:00:44Speaker 08

  and reverse engineering program, to which I was denied access to those additional read-ons when I requested it. I made the decision, based on the data I collected, to report this information to my superiors and multiple inspectors general, and in effect, becoming a whistleblower. As you know, I've suffered retaliation for my decision, but I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency. Thank you, and I'm happy to answer your questions.

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• 1:01:46Tim Burchett?

  I'd say it caught the country's attention the most, and I said, if you discredit him and everything comes out says he's a liar, we've still got these two pilots. And I just think that they...

• 1:02:02Tim Burchett?

  You know, I know Grush, known him for some time. We talk, we text frequently or whatever. And, um, you know, he's a very interesting guy. He's put into a tough situation and, and, um, again, why would you come out with all that? Because you know, he's going to get humiliated publicly.

• 1:02:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Could you go through some of the stuff that he disclosed?

• 1:02:28Tim Burchett?

  Yeah. Um, bodies, there are bodies, there are craft, there are, and that went along with my line of questioning, you know, they're my questions were kind of leading because I knew the answer, but I wanted them to say it that they, um, you know, we know this stuff's out there. Uh, that somebody has it and how they keep it from us. Because the next thing would be, well, why doesn't somebody come out with it then? Why don't, because the people that have it, that are looking at it probably right now, don't know what the heck they're looking at.

• 1:03:01Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh. He was talking about reverse engineering crafts.

• 1:03:05Tim Burchett?

  That's right.

• 1:03:05Shawn Ryan?

  So where, where was he? Where is he saying these crafts came from? Where did we recover them?

• 1:03:11Tim Burchett?

  Um, some are archaeological from what now it could be putting conversations that I've had versus the committee. Because you got to realize I've been.

• 1:03:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. You don't know.

• 1:03:23Tim Burchett?

  Have I been in so much of these meetings and people call me and then I get information and talk to these guys or text them or whatever. Um, but some of them are archaeological. Um, and digs that people have found, some of them are craft that have, that have crashed recently, that have just been covered up. But there's, there's kind of a cutoff, I think, because of the technology. And that, that leads me back to that electro whatever radio that we think maybe caused them some difficulty. And it caused some of these crashes. And then our technology has moved past that now. So you're probably not seeing those type of crafts, those crashes happening, if they are happening at all.

• 1:04:07Tim Burchett?

  Um, because we've moved past the, um, the technology that we were using in the forties and fifties and sixties and maybe in, in the seventies. But it's, you know, it's not transistors anymore, obviously.

• 1:04:21Shawn Ryan?

  So it was previous technology that was causing these things to crash?

• 1:04:25Tim Burchett?

  I think.

• 1:04:27Shawn Ryan?

  What technology?

• 1:04:28Tim Burchett?

  It was a radio technology, some kind of radio technology we were using and maybe in some of our radars and things like that that we no longer use. And I apologize, I can't even remember the name of it. I should have read up on it again, but it was, I was told that by somebody pretty informed that thought that that was probably the reason that all of a sudden that it started and then all of a sudden it sort of stopped because after we quit using that kind of technology, it quit. Apparently it would lock, and I don't know if shortening it out is the right thing because I don't know what they're using. But apparently is what it did was it would, it would lock them up, kind of.

• 1:05:07Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe offline, did he ever talk about how long it may have taken to reverse engineer some of these crafts?

• 1:05:13Tim Burchett?

  Offline, like me and you talk offline or offline, did I talk offline with them?

• 1:05:21Shawn Ryan?

  Offline with them?

• 1:05:22Tim Burchett?

  Oh, yeah. They said a lot of it, we're not, we're still not even in the ballpark. We're hardly scratching the surface. Again, it goes back to my, taking my Harley Davidson back to the people on the Mayflower kind of thing, and we're the people on the Mayflower. Because this technology is so advanced, so far past us that we don't even, it's just hard for us to comprehend.

• 1:05:48Shawn Ryan?

  How about, he had also talked about recovering non-human biologics?

• 1:05:58Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, bodies is what, and of course, if the craft got here, somebody had to fly them at some point. How they do that, I don't know.

• 1:06:08Speaker 09

  If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

• 1:06:15Speaker 08

  As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 09

  Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

• 1:06:28Speaker 08

  Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

• 1:06:34Speaker 09

  And was this documentary evidence, this video, photos, eyewitness? Like, how would that be determined?

• 1:06:41Speaker 08

  The specific documentation I would have to talk to you in a skiff about.

• 1:06:45Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, not necessarily. We're doing drones.

• 1:06:47Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, we're doing drones. That's correct. That's correct. And maybe that's why some of them do, some of them don't. But I would think at some point, we would, some kind of, you know, you look at the hieroglyphics and things, and some people have mentioned that there is,

• 1:07:05Tim Burchett?

  you know, that they would, um, I know one of them told me, uh, that I referred to earlier, told me that there was like, um, they wouldn't call it port holes, but it was, uh, obviously something of viewing-type situation.

• 1:07:22Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:07:23Tim Burchett?

  They could view, they could see out of it, the craft.

• 1:07:28Tim Burchett?

  That was, uh, in the, um,

• 1:07:32Tim Burchett?

  maybe the Mediterranean, I believe, where they were at the time in the Navy. And they, then the craft slowed down over them that they could see, um, when it was, before it got to them, or when it's pulling out, or whatever, they could see that it was, there was obviously some kind of viewing apparatus in it. So, but yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't get too hung up on all that. I just, like I said, I, my thing is, is, is, is that they continue to hide this. They've, they've, how can we trust the government that said they didn't exist? And then all of a sudden, they say they do exist. And we're supposed to fund them to study it. I just think it's, they'll trickle stuff out, and keep that hook out there, and we'll just keep biting it.

• 1:08:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Tim Burchett?

  Because that's human nature, you know, and it's gonna, but they know they gotta.

• 1:08:22Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, when is the first time that you heard that we've recovered non-human biologics? Well, it obviously wasn't in the hearing.

• 1:08:31Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Tim Burchett?

  I don't know, a couple of years ago.

• 1:08:38Shawn Ryan?

  What was your reaction?

• 1:08:40Tim Burchett?

  Not surprised.

• 1:08:43Tim Burchett?

  I'm not surprised at anything anymore, man. I just, every time this, I just go back to my statement about every night, I go, and I will tonight. I'll go out and look at those stars every night. The light from that left before the time of Christ. I mean, that's incredible. That's over 2,000 years ago, dude. That light left that. And some of these stars we're seeing have imploded.

• 1:09:05Shawn Ryan?

  They're already gone.

• 1:09:06Tim Burchett?

  They're already gone, and we're seeing the light from them just now.

• 1:09:09Shawn Ryan?

  We're looking back in time.

• 1:09:11Tim Burchett?

  Right, right.

• 1:09:12Shawn Ryan?

  Fascinating stuff.

• 1:09:13Tim Burchett?

  It's too much to me. I can't really, in my little

• 1:09:18Tim Burchett?

  West Knoxville mind, it's too much for me to comprehend.

• 1:09:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Tim Burchett?

  And that's why I don't get too caught up in all of it. I don't, don't really pick the sides on this thing.

• 1:09:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Tim Burchett?

  And I, and when I, and, and, and it's hard for me to recall specifics. A lot of the specifics in it because honestly, I was so tired and so worn out when that committee finally rolled around because we were so, we were just every roadblock. I mean, it was just, it was just weary almost, and they just wore us down. And that was part of the intention. I think they thought we'd throw in the towel, but we didn't. And it just got bigger and bigger. And by the end of that, I was, I was running on fumes pretty much when the committee rolled around. I was just glad everybody got their questions asked and we got it documented.

• 1:10:04Shawn Ryan?

  What was the most compelling portion of all three of these testimonies for you personally?

• 1:10:10Tim Burchett?

  Uh, gosh.

• 1:10:12Shawn Ryan?

  What stuck out the most?

• 1:10:18Tim Burchett?

  I don't know, because honestly, I, I've been reading about this and studying this since I was in, I was seven or eight years old. And, you know, I could...

• 1:10:29Tim Burchett?

  I've just, I've just, I've talked about it and I've talked to people so much. I think, I think the best part about it was just what I said in the final, final part of it. I just said, Mr. Chairman, I can say something. He said, yeah, sure. I said, you know, I hope this allows you folks that have, you know, took ridicule your whole life over this thing to finally say, yes, somebody else believes what you're saying and that you don't, you know, you're not some pariah or something, you know, you're not crazy.

• 1:11:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Tim Burchett?

  That you've, you've seen something and we're going to try to get to the bottom of it. I don't know if I will or not. I think, you know, they're going to keep throwing up roadblocks and giving me one more committee. You know, amazing. We got to take time in government to make government bring out stuff that they have.

• 1:11:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Tim Burchett?

  And they won't, they still won't do it.

• 1:11:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it is, um.

• 1:11:29Tim Burchett?

  Very frustrating. And that's, you know, America, America wants their pizzas in 30 minutes or less and that's, that's about our dad gum attention span and I'm a hundred percent guilty of that.

• 1:11:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Tim Burchett?

  They run out the clock on this thing, they'll, you know, there'll be another shiny object over here we'll be chasing and, and move on to something else, they think. I'm going to keep pushing at it. I don't know how much longer I can keep Congress involved in it.

• 1:11:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, I think we're seeing that in just about every, every issue that gets brought up is, was just kicking the can down the road, you know.

• 1:12:02Tim Burchett?

  And it goes away. It's a great, you know, it's.

• 1:12:04Shawn Ryan?

  It does.

• 1:12:05Tim Burchett?

  It's a great, it's a great deal for them because, you know, people in, in the, in the swamp, because they, they know they can just move on to the next one.

• 1:12:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it does work. I mean, saw what the Afghan withdrawal recently.

• 1:12:19Tim Burchett?

  Nobody's talking about that anymore.

• 1:12:21Shawn Ryan?

  We saw with all kinds of stuff that's happened.

• 1:12:23Tim Burchett?

  Nobody's talking about the cocaine at the White House. Nobody's talking about all these other things, but you know, there's still, every day I'm getting a call on UFOs.

• 1:12:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, nobody's talking about the Epstein stuff.

• 1:12:34Tim Burchett?

  Who? You know, yeah, absolutely. And that's the biggest cover up of, I mean, you know, that.

• 1:12:41Tim Burchett?

  You know, and they spent a whole lot of time trashing, you know, the movie about, about that, you know, about the kids being abducted and stuff. And oh, it doesn't exist. It doesn't happen. And every day, there's a, somebody's breaking a new ring. Well, I don't care if it's, you know, coming from on high or some trailer park somewhere, you know.

• 1:13:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, they're definitely hiding something. They pulled my interview with Jim Caviezel down. I just woke up one morning, it was gone.

• 1:13:12Tim Burchett?

  I do not doubt that.

• 1:13:14Shawn Ryan?

  And he was the main actor in that movie. But, you know, back to Graves, it was, I mean, there was, one of the big subject matters in the, in the hearing was, was government intimidation, blowback from coming out. And then almost right after that, they leaked that Grush had PTSD medical information in his record to try to discredit him.

• 1:13:39Tim Burchett?

  And that was, I was told, straight, straight from the intelligence community. They held on to that and they leaked it to this, I mean, it wasn't even a mainline reporter. I don't think anybody else would touch it.

• 1:13:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:51Tim Burchett?

  You know, and he got the scoop and that's what reporters do. But it was, you know, they were holding on to that one.

• 1:13:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, what happened after that, after that hearing? A lot of what Grush had to say, or Grush had to say was, I want to talk to you in a skiff. I want to, did you guys ever get the skiff? Did you ever get the?

• 1:14:14Tim Burchett?

  Never did.

• 1:14:15Shawn Ryan?

  You never got the skiff. What's holding that up?

• 1:14:17Tim Burchett?

  Well, I suspect somebody's got somebody's ear in leadership. And the, again, the intelligence committee slash community, they didn't like what we did. They didn't like us.

• 1:14:35Shawn Ryan?

  Is that the committee on, in Congress or the Senate?

• 1:14:38Tim Burchett?

  Well, there's one in both. But the intelligence committee and, in the House didn't want it. And, you know, they, there's all these rivalries. And it's just, it just happens. I mean, it's just human nature, dude. I don't, you know, and they're all my friends. But, you know, we, we touched a nerve. We really did. And we, I feel like some people, you know, they said this stuff doesn't exist and they made fun of it. And then.

• 1:15:08Tim Burchett?

  Leading all three stations, I mean, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox, you name it.

• 1:15:16Tim Burchett?

  Newsmax, OAN, I mean, they, they just pounded it and it's their ratings have gone through the roof. And I knew, I knew that it had, that somebody was reading the polling data when Fox started calling.

• 1:15:34Tim Burchett?

  Because it, it just was, it was just everywhere.

• 1:15:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Tim Burchett?

  And, you know, I'd go to a high school football game or something and I'd, and it's all anybody want to talk about. Church parking lot, it's all they want to talk about.

• 1:15:53Tim Burchett?

  It was, and I guess looking back is almost surreal, really, because it was, it was pure, man. It was, it was pretty cool.

• 1:16:05Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think a lot of these people that have commented to you under the table on good job? Thanks for covering this. You think they saw the notoriety? You think they saw?

• 1:16:14Tim Burchett?

  Some of them did.

• 1:16:15Shawn Ryan?

  The news and they just want more press time?

• 1:16:17Tim Burchett?

  And that's why they want to bump me. They want, they don't, that's why we're not, probably part of the reason we're not getting a select committee.

• 1:16:25Tim Burchett?

  And, you know, I just.

• 1:16:30Tim Burchett?

  That's, that's just part of the game.

• 1:16:32Shawn Ryan?

  Do you talk to the Senate committee at all?

• 1:16:34Tim Burchett?

  Oddly enough, all those UFO people in the Senate that talk UFOs, a couple of them I've tried to have meetings with and they've canceled the meetings.

• 1:16:44Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:16:44Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, before all this even happened. And, oh yeah, we'll meet with you.

• 1:16:49Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:49Tim Burchett?

  And then they cancel it and I don't, they never reschedule.

• 1:16:52Shawn Ryan?

  I've been trying like hell to get Marco Rubio in here to talk about it.

• 1:16:56Tim Burchett?

  Ask him why he canceled the meeting with me.

• 1:16:58Shawn Ryan?

  I, I will, I will. If I get him in here, I'll ask him that. But.

• 1:17:04Tim Burchett?

  Probably say who?

• 1:17:06Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you?

• 1:17:07Tim Burchett?

  Again, the staffers, they got too much control and they're running the show.

• 1:17:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  What's coming next in Congress?

• 1:17:18Tim Burchett?

  With this issue?

• 1:17:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, with this.

• 1:17:19Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, we'll have another committee and what I'd like to bring in is some department people. I don't want to discuss too much about it because they'll they'll end run me again. But we've got some pretty informed people that want to come in and talk about what's going on in their departments or what went on when they were there.

• 1:17:42Tim Burchett?

  And and maybe issues, hopefully issues some subpoenas to get some real information. This putting it in the skiff is just.

• 1:17:51Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, it's too edgy. You got it has to be leaked, you know, out by the press and then then then you can talk about it allegedly. I don't know. It's just ridiculous.

• 1:18:00Shawn Ryan?

  Too much red tape.

• 1:18:02Tim Burchett?

  Do what?

• 1:18:02Shawn Ryan?

  Too much red tape.

• 1:18:03Tim Burchett?

  Well, it's that way on purpose. Keeps the powerful in power and they're the ones who make the rules. And how do you get to that much power? You know, you you got to be there for a while. You got to sell your soul.

• 1:18:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know when the next hearing is going to be?

• 1:18:20Tim Burchett?

  Not yet. We'd like to have it pretty soon. I'd like to have it for the end of the year.

• 1:18:24Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:18:25Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Shawn Ryan?

  I'd love to get out there for it.

• 1:18:28Tim Burchett?

  When I get a date, we'll get it to you.

• 1:18:29Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 1:18:30Tim Burchett?

  You'll be like first on my call list as far as you know.

• 1:18:34Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:18:37Tim Burchett?

  You'll be sitting there with a bunch of people and go, yeah, Tim Burks said he's going to call me first. He called me first.

• 1:18:43Shawn Ryan?

  I'll jockey for my seat right behind the table.

• 1:18:45Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 1:18:46Tim Burchett?

  We'll get that worked out.

• 1:18:48Shawn Ryan?

  All right. One more subject before we wrap this up. Zero point energy.

• 1:18:52Tim Burchett?

  Right.

• 1:18:52Shawn Ryan?

  I love talking about this subject. What's your opinion on it?

• 1:18:57Tim Burchett?

  I think it's reality. I just don't think we've got it. We got that genie in the bottle just yet, or if we do, they're not putting it out because it would put them all out of business. And we wouldn't have these wars. Imagine all that energy we spend on the energy. I mean, not like energy is in, you know, nuclear or anything like that. All that energy brain width. We spent on all this stuff and all these wars, all these people that die. We wouldn't need it. We wouldn't need it. Imagine if this world just united behind something. I don't think they ever will. But if they it limited what we would be fighting for.

• 1:19:34Shawn Ryan?

  Let me backtrack just real quick for the audience. So zero point energy is basically technology.

• 1:19:42Shawn Ryan?

  That enables energy to be free. That means no more utilities, no more fossil fuels, no more any of that stuff. Everything is just powered by energy that is free. And supposedly Nikola Tesla figured this out a long time ago.

• 1:20:00Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Shawn Ryan?

  And

• 1:20:01Tim Burchett?

  Look what happened to him.

• 1:20:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yep. They conference gated all of his research.

• 1:20:07Tim Burchett?

  Died alone in a motel room, broken.

• 1:20:13Shawn Ryan?

  Guy that invented the hydrocar, mysteriously dead.

• 1:20:17Tim Burchett?

  Yep. In a knife fight, like it was farmed.

• 1:20:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:20:21Tim Burchett?

  Yep.

• 1:20:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:20:23Tim Burchett?

  All about it.

• 1:20:23Shawn Ryan?

  So you think zero point, you think zero point energies might be real?

• 1:20:28Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, I mean, you look at, you know, they used to say, well, they can't make fake diamonds. Well, they're making fake diamonds and everybody that does it gets bought out. I mean, I've seen, seen well sourced media programs on these fake diamonds, you know, that gonna put De Beers out of business and all this other stuff. And we're finding out these so-called rare earth minerals. Well, guess what? They're not that rare.

• 1:20:51Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:20:52Tim Burchett?

  They're, they're around and we've just created all these bogus environmental rules to keep us from getting them or, and then certain areas are allowed to get them.

• 1:21:03Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of the people said that that was the biggest marketing scam ever.

• 1:21:08Tim Burchett?

  What's that?

• 1:21:08Shawn Ryan?

  The diamond.

• 1:21:09Tim Burchett?

  Oh, the diamond. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Cause they, they allow a certain amount to go out through their brokers, through their markets, through their marketeers. And it's basically, I think De Beers is the major controller of them.

• 1:21:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yes, it is. So zero point energy, who do you think holds the technology?

• 1:21:30Tim Burchett?

  I don't know. It'd have to be, we mentioned the industrial war complex, these multinational corporations.

• 1:21:39Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think it's Lockheed?

• 1:21:41Tim Burchett?

  I think probably they got some, they'd have to have, they'd have to have input in it. You know, they got, they control it, but yet, you know, they're still developing their jet engines and everything else through the process, but they, because that, that's, keeps, they keeps their money. Once that, once that zero point comes out, it just, they're all out.

• 1:22:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:03Tim Burchett?

  So I feel like if they have it, they're holding on to it to keep us from getting it.

• 1:22:10Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:22:12Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Tim.

• 1:22:14Tim Burchett?

  Thank you, brother. It's been a pleasure.

• 1:22:15Shawn Ryan?

  I appreciate the time. It was an honor to have you here. I can't wait for the next hearing and, um, and, uh, we'll be watching. How can people support you?

• 1:22:25Tim Burchett?

  Um, well, you can follow me on Twitter at Tim Burchett. I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to ask for anything campaign related since we're talking stuff. So we, you can just Google all that if you want, but I, but I appreciate it. You know, I've been, um, I've been very fortunate in life. I never had money. Mom and daddy never did. Just hardworking people and put themselves through school and fought in the war and, and all that. And, uh, um, you know, I've just been, I've had good health and good people around me. And, uh, you know, I just, I just knock on doors. When I run for office, I don't, you don't, I'm not the big media guy and, and have a buddy of mine calls me every Sunday,

• 1:23:06Tim Burchett?

  usually with bad news. He always, he sort of trades off information, but he told me one week, he said, you know, you're the, you're probably one of the poorest guys in Congress. And I said, well, I appreciate that. Next week he calls me back and goes, yeah, I did some checking. You are the poorest guy from Tennessee, from Tennessee in Congress. And I said, well, I really appreciate that. I mean, you know, we get a great salary, but it, it's kind of funny. It's just, uh, it is a very much a rich man's game. And the, for a system that allows, you know, the Tim Burchett of the world to run for office and hold, you know, like I say, every night, every night I walk out and look at that dome of the Capitol. I think, wow, Charlie and Joyce Burchett's baby boy is a United

• 1:23:48Tim Burchett?

  States Congressman. And, uh, mama didn't even have electricity. She was senior in high school. As I told you, her brother got killed fighting the Nazis and she flew an airplane during the second world war. Daddy fought in the Pacific against, uh, Pele Loo in Okinawa. And then went to China after the war and fought the communists. And then he worked and worked at University of Tennessee for over 40 years. Got a brother and sister and they're both good-looking and great athletes, very smart. I was, I didn't get any of those attributes. So I just got lucky and got in the right place and married a beautiful woman and got a great daughter out of the deal and, and I'm just very fortunate that, you know, my wife will say, I said, "Baby, about this Congress thing, we were talking about running," and she said, "Honey, I got this," which meant she got the home right.

• 1:24:33Tim Burchett?

  So she does a good job too. So, thank you, brother. I appreciate you letting me be on. It's been, been an honor. Thank you for everything you've done for our country and you're continuing to do. Because, brother, if we don't get the truth out there to folks, it's not gonna happen.

• 1:24:48Shawn Ryan?

  It's my pleasure. And, and thank you, thank you for being here. And I want to say, you know, I got some friends over there in Congress. You're one of them. And Eli Crane's one of them, got a couple others. And I just want to say, you know, I never realized how hard it is for you guys to get a real voice. And, and this was a, an important, but more of a fun interview. I know there's a lot of other topics and, and concerns and issues and problems and just all kinds of stuff going on within our government and our country right now. And so I just want to, I just want to offer it to you. If you ever need a platform, you know, where you need to get some word out because the

• 1:25:31Shawn Ryan?

  media isn't covering it, you got a home right here.

• 1:25:34Tim Burchett?

  Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.

• 1:25:36Shawn Ryan?

  So, keep up the good fight. Thank you.