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00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:11 Bring The Trailer's AI Cadillac
00:09:09 Bachman Collection Ferrari's
00:17:24 Tony Stark's NSX on Cars And Bids
00:19:59 Canada Retracts Chinese Tariff
00:25:28 The New Volvo EX60
00:28:09 More On The Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC
00:33:44 Lamborghini Has Record Sales
00:37:46 Audi Formula 1
00:42:28 Repairing A Bugatti
00:45:15 Talk Cars
00:45:33 Doug's 993 Turbo Trouble
00:49:55 Cars And Bids Events
00:51:36 Coinbase NSX Cassette
00:52:35 Kennan's SL65
00:55:11 SLS AMG Values
00:57:59 Subaru WRX STI Type RA Values
01:01:00 Community Questions
01:01:36 Rank The Prius Generations
01:05:43 Top 5 Most Republican Vehicles
01:09:24 How Are The Pre-1980s Auctions Going?
01:11:56 Does The Dislike Of PTS Porsche People Not Extend To Your 993?
01:14:10 VR6 Revenge
01:15:58 Will There Be More Cinematic Content?
01:20:08 Doug's Sequia Problem
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1:01 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.
1:04 Speaker 02 I'm Kenan.
1:05 Doug DeMuro? I'm Felipe. And there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. Ah, yes. This Bring the Trailer. We have to be careful about talking about this. We run, this is the Cars and Bids podcast, we run a competing business to bring the trailer. And Bring the Trailer, over the weekend, last week, god knows when, they ran an AI car for auction. It was a Cadillac Deville, okay? And it was the good Deville, the one we all liked. You like the next gen? There were elements of this one, the next gen, in this one, if you actually go through the photos. Some of the photos are... So anyway, they ran this car, and it turned out it was a little AI. And some of the stuff in the auction, like for instance, there's two shifters here. Interestingly, they're completely
1:49 Doug DeMuro? different. How do you think you drive a dual-shifter, AI-generated dual-shifter Deville?
1:54 Speaker 02 I was just, there's a Pathfinder over there, and there's a transfer case, and the manual shifter. And they look similar.
1:59 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
2:00 Speaker 02 Interesting.
2:00 Doug DeMuro? That is, this is a Deville with a... A column-mounted transfer case. We always lamented the fact that this Deville was front-wheel drive when it should have been rear-wheel drive.
2:09 Speaker 02 They fixed that.
2:10 Doug DeMuro? This fixes a four-wheel drive.
2:12 Speaker 02 Right, and so when you're off-roading, you get stuck in a mess, you just go...
2:14 Doug DeMuro? You put it in low range.
2:16 Speaker 02 That's right.
2:17 Doug DeMuro? What else we got, these pictures?
2:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, so that one, of course, this is the one that really...
2:21 Doug DeMuro? Rare option on this Deville, cobblestone floor mats.
2:27 Speaker 03 Go, go, go to the, go to the auction. Do you have the auction pull up?
2:29 Speaker 02 Yes, of course.
2:30 Speaker 03 Go back to the auction. Click on just some of the, like this picture of the car. I, I was looking at it and I'm like, there's, like this is the part of partial LED tails from the next gen Deville. Like the, the, these wheels are, are like generic, but they're from a Lesabre kinda. They're not Deville ones. It really wasn't great. So, so this obviously generated enormous amount of controversy and I invite you to read the car. Here's front and rear cobblestone floor mats.
2:55 Speaker 02 Right. And in some pictures they're there and in others they're not.
2:58 Doug DeMuro? Now, AI man. I, it's easy to sit here and be critical of Bring the Trailer for focusing on volume too much. For not being as fastidious as they once were.
3:14 Doug DeMuro? We can do, we can talk about a lot of this stuff.
3:16 Speaker 03 Can I make a couple of points?
3:17 Doug DeMuro? However.
3:18 Speaker 03 That I actually care about.
3:18 Doug DeMuro? No, I want to say in all seriousness, this is, someday this will happen to Cars and Bids.
3:25 Doug DeMuro? Randy's up there right now going, I'm going to submit an AI Honda Prailer into Cars and Bids right now and get them.
3:31 Speaker 03 Catch it. It's an interesting situation, right? Obviously AI is going to be a problem for any auction site because people want to
3:38 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
3:39 Speaker 03 make their photo a little bit better or they don't know how to edit or they don't know how to take a good photo. So like, okay, let me just run it through AI and do this.
3:44 Doug DeMuro? And I'm sure people have done it for cars that we've sold and maybe even we haven't caught.
3:48 Speaker 03 And, and if you're careful about it, if you're not changing something substantive about the car, the same way that when you're a photographer, you're editing the photo, you might be tweaking lighting, but you're not like airbrushing out flaws, right? Like AI, you have to be really careful with how you're prompting it, what your output is. In my mind, we as an auction site can do a couple of things to prevent that. First, we can make really clear, as we already do, the seller's like, hey, don't do this. It's not like, don't use AI. It will not be a good outcome. But the other thing is that we have purposely built a process that involves a lot of people looking at every single listing and working one-on-one with the seller. When you submit a car to Cars and Bids, we have a team of actual humans that are talking to you, that we have, you've got to sign an auction manager who's then working with you throughout the process and they're actually truly looking at every single picture.
4:32 Doug DeMuro? Your implication is that over at Bring the Trailer, they're not doing that. You think they're just like boom, boom. I'll tell you what happened here.
4:38 Speaker 03 I think there's a lot of templating.
4:40 Doug DeMuro? This is an $8,000 used car. And bring the trailers, we're kind of more into the volume side of things. Even though they have the flashy big cars, there's a lot of this volume. And the $8,000 car comes in, like just boom, get it up. And I think that one of the things that has hit me is that if you're selling a non-zillion dollar supercar, we put a lot more energy and effort into those.
5:03 Speaker 03 And we really do have people that are like, your auction manager is going to look at every photo you upload. The person that writes the listing that is an expert at cars, at knowing cars, that cares about cars, that's doing this sure for money, but because they love cars, is going to look at the photos too. Will something get by a group of people? Probably, and I'm sure that there have been things, maybe not to this level of seriousness. Like, I'm sure there have been mistakes that get by people because humans are humans and people make mistakes.
5:28 Speaker 02 I do like to think that whether someone who's looking at this as a car enthusiast or not, when you see cobblestone in the floor mats, something ain't right, you know?
5:36 Speaker 03 Or if you see next generation DeVille taillights, you're like, that's not right.
5:39 Doug DeMuro? Everything isn't right. I mean, even this picture.
5:41 Speaker 02 Well, even like the text on the license plate frame is incorrect, like it's.
5:46 Doug DeMuro? It's all, it's pretty bad. I will say, um, obviously this happened because they are not maybe as looking as closely as we are. It's a luxury that we have. We're smaller. We, we, we are able to.
5:56 Speaker 03 And we've made a conscious decision.
5:57 Doug DeMuro? We, we are very focused on making sure that stuff goes up right. With that said, one thing that this does raise beyond the ridiculousness of this auction, what stops someone from AI-ing out a dent? You know, that is hard to spot. It's easy to spot two column shifters and cobblestone floor mats, or it should be easy.
6:17 Doug DeMuro? What, what happens though? Seriously, like what happens for a dent? Or what happens for a bent wheel or, you know what I'm saying? Like that stuff is hard.
6:25 Speaker 02 It is hard and I think as AI gets even better, it's going to only, this will only become a larger problem.
6:29 Doug DeMuro? Right now, maybe it's not so hard.
6:31 Speaker 02 I think that one of the great benefits is also having the videos. It's like, it's harder to do it in that. And when AI does videos, it's just so blatantly obvious right now. It won't always be like that though. So, I mean, but the beauty is we have a very talented tech team who I'm sure will like. Figure out solutions around this too, and we'll remain vigilant on it.
6:48 Speaker 03 And you, it's very much whack a mole, right? Like anytime, we talk a lot with our team, the writers and editors, like, these are some signs you can look for in photos right now. A month from now, that might be different. So there's certainly some amount of whack a mole. But we have a lot of people involved and we are also vetting sellers. And kind of make sure that are they actually engaged? Are they being transparent and forthcoming with information? And then you have a bunch of people in the comments that are looking through every photo with additional detail, with additional scrutiny on top of what our team.
7:19 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, I wouldn't be at all surprised as we sit here laughing at this.
7:23 Speaker 03 No, it's.
7:23 Doug DeMuro? If in a year, they're laughing at us for something that we, do they have a podcast over there?
7:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, technically.
7:29 Doug DeMuro? Technically, what does that mean?
7:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, they do.
7:32 Doug DeMuro? Uh, if they're laughing, this is a possibility. Now, one other interesting thing, if you think about it, in real estate, it's commonplace. It's just accepted. If you go on any real estate listing, there's AI.
7:42 Speaker 02 It got me on that view with the 250 GTO. Of course, I was just an idiot, but it also got me.
7:46 Doug DeMuro? It's, it's like pretty commonplace. And so the seller may not have even been thinking, oh, this is so bad. Like, I want to make this car, I want to present it in a nicer setting, which isn't a terrible idea.
7:56 Doug DeMuro? But it, it is, it does add some interesting complexity to the whole thing. I agree, the videos are helpful. Driving video, walk around video, much harder to fake at this stage with AI. And I think it'll be years before.
8:06 Speaker 03 And what are doing 50, 100 more photos? Likely there's some angle where that didn't get caught by AI, where AI didn't filter that.
8:14 Speaker 02 Right, yeah, how many, how many photos?
8:16 Speaker 03 Like, it will be.
8:19 Speaker 02 Fifty-six.
8:19 Speaker 03 Inevitably, this is going to be a problem for everybody. There's no world where AI is where it's not a problem for everybody. But what we can do is be more forthright, be really vigilant, and then be really responsive. I mean, frankly, from like an auction operation standpoint, the initial response in this auction from the trailer was, oh, we're going to go ask the seller for more photos. And like, huh. Maybe that's not gonna help you that much.
8:46 Doug DeMuro? They did cancel the auction and there was a ton of flack in the comments, which they got in there and personally replied to, which is the classy and correct way to do it. And it's what I would do if faced with the same circumstance here. And as we sit here throwing stones in our glass house, one day, one of those stones will break our walls and or windows. I think that's what that analogy means.
9:05 Speaker 02 Well, we're throwing cobblestones.
9:06 Doug DeMuro? Someday Randy's gonna call me and be like, ha, ha. There wasn't actually a V across. That was all AI. I gotcha.
9:14 Speaker 03 I, I, my summary of this is it's gonna be wrong for everybody. We're gonna be as vigilant and as human focused and as make sure that there's real people with eyeballs that care. And that's gonna be the most that we can do, but I also think.
9:28 Doug DeMuro? Have we had AI? I remember one time a seller, right when a car was about to go live, a seller told us that it crashed. I guess he has probably sold it somewhere else. Remember this? And, and we said, can we see a picture? We didn't really buy it. And, and the crash, he AI'd up a crash. It was so obviously BS.
9:41 Speaker 02 It was a photo from the photo set. It's like, if you're gonna do it, at least like God's.
9:48 Doug DeMuro? He'd already set the photos and uncrashed.
9:50 Speaker 02 It was unbelievable.
9:51 Speaker 03 Yeah. People are gonna use it.
9:53 Doug DeMuro? That's part of the problem too. People don't understand. People are nuts. People are nuts. Look at him.
9:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, look at me. Look at him. Look at you.
10:01 Speaker 03 But you know what? We're nuts, but we are transparent sellers.
10:03 Doug DeMuro? Oh, that's cute. Uh, all right. Let's move on to the next news story.
10:06 Speaker 02 All right. New, next news story. Oh, yeah.
10:08 Doug DeMuro? Yes. Some Ferraris sold. That car, by the way, is the ugliest car ever seen in my life.
10:12 Speaker 03 The Ferrari is sexy.
10:13 Speaker 02 There are a couple of them in contention here.
10:15 Doug DeMuro? I don't mind the 599.
10:17 Speaker 02 You don't mind that?
10:17 Doug DeMuro? No, dude. I think it looks all right. But the, the, the red headlights on, okay. Let me tell you the story. Mecum, which is a different auction.
10:25 Speaker 03 I love the start to the podcast.
10:27 Doug DeMuro? Barrett Jackson is happening right now. Get off cars and bids.
10:35 Doug DeMuro? I try to say one thing a week that makes Sean upset with me during the pod, because he can't do anything.
10:39 Speaker 03 You're like three for me today.
10:42 Speaker 02 Filippo's really sweating.
10:43 Doug DeMuro? So Mecum, which is another auction business and a lesser one.
10:49 Doug DeMuro? They
10:51 Speaker 03 Alright, I mean at least there's marketing in this.
10:53 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, cars and rims. Uh, they sold a couple of weeks ago, last weekend, all these Ferraris. And they had been ordered by this fellow Bachmann who died and never drove them. Uh, and I don't, I think he didn't want to drive them because they were all horrible.
11:06 Speaker 02 They're embarrassed.
11:06 Doug DeMuro? They had all been optioned in a way that was not tasteful, is what I would say. The 360 CS is absolutely the worst. This, this is an Ese Aperta.
11:15 Speaker 02 Yes.
11:16 Doug DeMuro? Geez. So, but these cars are really special because they were undriven cars, they had zero miles on them. They were, almost all of them were the last of the set, like the last 599 GTO, the last 812, et cetera. Uh, and then they were all also like incredibly high window sticker cars because every box had been checked in a crazy way. And so they all got auctioned at once and they all sold for unbelievable amounts of money. Like, that 360 sold for forty billion dollars.
11:43 Speaker 02 Just about. Kind of. It felt like that, uh, but I don't know. This, I understand the desire to have very low mileage examples of very special cars. I understand the desire to have unique specs. When they are this atrocious though, it is hard to believe that those cars brought the numbers that they did.
12:03 Speaker 03 I would drive that 599.
12:05 Speaker 02 I would not.
12:06 Doug DeMuro? I would drive it hard, too. And every time you made fun of me, I would be like
12:11 Doug DeMuro? You know what I mean?
12:12 Speaker 03 Well, also from the inside, you, oh no, you can still see.
12:14 Doug DeMuro? No, the inside, a lot of these cars, the insides were worse. That 360, I'm telling you, is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
12:20 Speaker 03 I don't know, there's a lot of green on that.
12:22 Speaker 02 I first, I do think something about this, though. I think it exemplifies a couple of things that we've talked about for a long time. Uh, specific to the Ferrari market, it's more market reporting.
12:30 Speaker 03 That money can't buy you taste?
12:31 Speaker 02 Well, that's, that is a fact, and this is proof. But, it's more that I think that the 250 GTO, which also sold at the same auction, sold for a number way lower than everybody was expecting. And these all sold for way higher than everybody was expecting. I do wonder if it starts to indicate that there's a shift in the market away from those cars in the nineteen, blue chip cars in the 1960s. That this is now what people want, the modern limited edition Ferraris.
12:52 Doug DeMuro? David Lee bought that 250 GTO for thirty-eight mil.
12:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:56 Doug DeMuro? Now, it was a right-hand drive car with an non-original engine.
12:58 Speaker 02 Right.
12:59 Doug DeMuro? And in the 250 GTO community, of which I'm a part. We view that as kind of second rate. No, just kidding. David, David, David is legit now, but you make a point because the Enzo, the Enzo in this collection, which was also an undriven one of one thing, sold for 11 million.
13:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:17 Doug DeMuro? Which seems strong to me because Enzos a couple of years ago were three and a half.
13:22 Speaker 03 Some appreciation.
13:23 Doug DeMuro? It's significant appreciation. You screwed up.
13:26 Speaker 03 I did, I did.
13:28 Doug DeMuro? Instead of buying a home and, and living, you should have put all of your assets into buying an Enzo.
13:32 Speaker 03 And I could have got some portion of the way there.
13:35 Speaker 02 And that F50 that only saw like in Monterey last year, that sold for five and a half, I think.
13:39 Speaker 03 Something crazy.
13:40 Speaker 02 And then one sold for over three times that. It just like, it, it doesn't make sense at all to anybody.
13:46 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know. I, these are one of one things. It's like that white collection, that Porsche white collection, which was sold by RM, by the way. We're going to hit all the auction sites today.
13:55 Speaker 02 Keep going. Don't worry, Gooding, we'll get there.
13:57 Doug DeMuro? Folks, the, the, the, the Hemmings.
14:00 Speaker 03 They still got one?
14:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. They're still doing that?
14:02 Speaker 02 You forgot Bonhams.
14:03 Speaker 03 It's Hemmings really. You also forgot about Broad Arrow. We can keep going, man.
14:06 Doug DeMuro? Go to Cars and Bids though. Don't go to any of these.
14:09 Speaker 03 You want to go to an national, we can go there too.
14:10 Doug DeMuro? We're better. The Porsche white collection, remember when those sold for crazy money?
14:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:15 Doug DeMuro? I mean, the whole thing's crazy.
14:17 Speaker 02 I know, but these were just such a jump in what feels like a really short period of time. I just wonder like the ultra high end, speaking about Ferrari specifically, the ultra high end stuff is worth a ton of money already. That's why we saw, we've seen an appreciation for the next level thing, which was a limited edition V12 cars and then the limited edition V8s below that. And this is indicative of all of those cars. It's just like.
14:36 Doug DeMuro? I'm going to say one thing that I, that I, that you mentioned before, that others have mentioned. At these physical collector car auctions. Things can be a little fishy. Not going to go any further than that. Not saying that's what happened here. But I've heard some stories.
14:53 Speaker 02 And I do know that Mekem definitely wants to make, I mean, they want to break into the space because the other auction houses do sell these cars and Mekem is known for going habit, habit, habit and selling, you know, T buckets.
15:05 Speaker 02 They're not known for selling these sorts of cars. So it was, it was a really interesting thing to witness.
15:09 Speaker 03 I really thought you were going to make a point about like older cars in general being less appreciated. But there were two records for commit for 69 Camaros. One, a Baldwin notion L7 brought 1.1 million and a Yenko prototype of 1.8.
15:22 Doug DeMuro? Damn, boomers are still paying 1.8 for Yenko, for Yenko 67 Camaro.
15:27 Speaker 02 Which either David Lee got a hell of a deal on his GTO, or the vintage Ferrari market is.
15:33 Speaker 03 Which might be true.
15:34 Doug DeMuro? I don't understand that hell of a deal thing. This was about the price that everybody was saying it would sell for. It was a right-hand drive car with a non-original engine. The last GTO that sold sold for only a little more than this. I don't, it seemed to me to be about the number.
15:46 Speaker 02 Auction estimates had it higher than that, though. Everybody, I think they were calling for 55, I think was the number.
15:50 Doug DeMuro? Well, by who? Like by people like us who are idiots or by the auction house itself? I mean, the seller cut it loose, so.
15:56 Speaker 02 Which, yeah, it's the whole thing.
15:57 Speaker 03 I will say, the thing that hit me when I'm watching this, and I'm watching an 812 McDonald's sell for 60 billion. You know what car's undervalued? Carrera GT. Filippo? Let's move on to the next.
16:11 Speaker 02 Who knows? It's Scott Stokoe, like maybe one was, maybe one will sell for 12 million dollars.
16:15 Doug DeMuro? Carrera GT is an, I drove it here today. It was the greatest experience of my life. Still the greatest driving car ever made, and it's an absolute bargain when you're, that car sold for 1.7 and looks like an abomination.
16:26 Speaker 03 It doesn't just look like one. Try to fizzle one. Do you think Ferrari said no to any of his ideas?
16:32 Speaker 02 Clearly not.
16:33 Speaker 03 No. Is this the moderated version?
16:36 Doug DeMuro? No, dude, let me tell you something. In today's world, Koenigsegg and Pagani have set the standard for being willing to say yes to any horrible idea that their new money, no taste, under indictment buyer is willing to offer. I'm not, I'm not screwing around. Like, I'm, I'm sorry to say it, but it's true. Like, every Pagani, new Pagani and Koenigsegg buyer is sketch, right? They all are.
16:58 Speaker 02 We're also talking about Carrera GT.
16:59 Doug DeMuro? We can talk about those. It's the same kind of thing. Well, but that's part, that's part of what this is. Like, okay, so Ferrari and Porsche now with Sonderberg, like, they're sitting here looking at this. Carrera GTs were all silver, basically. And they're sitting here like, okay, if Pagani is willing to say yes to any tasteless idiot who got money yesterday and has no clue what looks good, but just wants to spend more money, you, then Porsche's got. Be like, yeah, you want to put stripes on your Carrera GT and we'll pay a million dollars for it?
17:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we'll do that for you. No prob.
17:30 Speaker 03 I want to be clear to all those tasteless idiots. We still do want you to sell your
17:33 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah.
17:33 Speaker 03 Cars and beds.
17:34 Doug DeMuro? Sell your tasteless Wiras on Cars and Bids, not any of the other auctions. There are no other auctions.
17:39 Speaker 03 No.
17:39 Doug DeMuro? All the other stuff we talked about earlier, figments of the imagination.
17:43 Speaker 03 Wrong lies. None of it's real. But yeah, this is just a red. I do think that's odd, though. Like, I don't know, my uncle had some tailor-made Ferraris.
17:50 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
17:50 Speaker 03 Built for him and they fought him like crazy on stuff, yet they're willing to do that.
17:54 Doug DeMuro? But don't you wonder if originally he wanted something worse?
17:57 Speaker 03 No, he didn't. It was all very tasteful stuff. I can
18:00 Doug DeMuro? No, no, not, not your
18:01 Speaker 03 Oh, this?
18:02 Doug DeMuro? The Bachmann gentleman.
18:03 Speaker 03 Maybe, I don't
18:04 Doug DeMuro? I don't know.
18:05 Speaker 03 It's bad either way.
18:06 Doug DeMuro? It's interesting that all these cars existed. It's and, and it's, boy, is it interesting that someone paid all this money for them. But, uh, they're cool and someone did and real money exchanged hands. And now we have to sit back and remember that the greatest deal in the market is the Carrera GT. Next slide. Ah, yes.
18:23 Speaker 03 Oh, that's
18:23 Doug DeMuro? The Carrera GT.
18:25 Speaker 03 That's an Acura NSX. Uh, very exciting news for our auction site, Cars and Bids. Uh, Acura has said that they're selling the Tony Stark NSX from that Marvel movie that I've never seen.
18:36 Doug DeMuro? The Avengers.
18:37 Speaker 03 Uh, sure. On Cars and Bids. It is a super, actually very cool prototype. I saw it in person at Road Atlanta.
18:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
18:43 Speaker 03 A few months ago. It is a 1997, 1991 NSX.
18:47 Doug DeMuro? It's a, it's a
18:48 Speaker 03 That's been re-bodied to look like the NA, and
18:52 Doug DeMuro? The newest one.
18:52 Speaker 03 And
18:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay, look, here's the deal. It was in The Avengers. Robert Downey Jr. drove it and he also drove it to the premiere.
18:58 Speaker 03 Did he? That's cool.
18:59 Doug DeMuro? Under the skin, apparently. I haven't been around the car.
19:02 Speaker 03 It's, the interior is NSX.
19:04 Doug DeMuro? But I'm told that it is an older NSX made to look like a newer one. It is a convertible. They're going to auction on Cars and Bids. I am going to drive this car.
19:11 Speaker 03 I know, it's cool.
19:12 Doug DeMuro? I love one-offs. I love movie cars. I love concept cars. I am incredibly excited. I don't really get that excited. For a lot of stuff. When you come around my house, I do.
19:23 Speaker 03 Aww.
19:24 Doug DeMuro? But this, I can't wait. I can't wait. We're going to sell this on Cars and Bids. This is just auction
19:30 Speaker 03 For charity, by the way.
19:31 Doug DeMuro? For charity. The whole thing, the whole amount. Wow.
19:33 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, that's my understanding. I will say it has miles. If you like, look at the auto in some of the pictures or in person, it has 200, 100 something thousand miles.
19:42 Doug DeMuro? Probably because they bought an NSX.
19:44 Speaker 03 I know, but it's so cool. Also, they should have done an NSX convertible. NC1, is that what that?
19:48 Doug DeMuro? I, I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.
19:50 Speaker 03 What's the, what's the generation?
19:51 Doug DeMuro? I'll bet you they were thinking about doing a convertible and sales didn't allow it. That, whenever there's a, a special sports car where they don't go convertible, it's either because sales didn't justify it, which is the case of the 054 GT and others. This car.
20:07 Speaker 03 22X1, back to that, yeah.
20:08 Doug DeMuro? And, or it's a Dodge Challenger, where we don't know why they didn't do it. We're still trying to figure it out.
20:15 Speaker 03 I am very excited to watch your review of it, see what they changed besides the exterior. And like, it'll be such a cool movie car to have an auction.
20:22 Doug DeMuro? Another thing that this car has that you probably don't realize, cobblestone floor mats.
20:29 Speaker 03 Maybe, yeah.
20:30 Doug DeMuro? Cobblestone floor mats.
20:32 Speaker 03 Robert Downey Jr. was the premier.
20:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, dude, I can't wait to talk to say, I don't know what, I don't know when we're gonna, Robert Downey Jr. is a G, dude. He can drive whatever he needs. He could drive a forklift if he had to. Um, I don't know when the auction is. It's sometime.
20:46 Speaker 03 We're, we're still working out a specific timing sometime later.
20:49 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna be able to buy this, but I may myself buy it. You think it's titleable? It's got a VIN.
20:54 Speaker 03 No.
20:54 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna title it for one of the next news trips.
20:57 Speaker 03 That's not gonna happen.
20:58 Doug DeMuro? Ah, the BYD seal.
21:01 Speaker 03 The BYD, you, sir, are gonna talk about the, how Canada has massively lower tariffs on Chinese.
21:07 Doug DeMuro? Okay, you remember how last week we talked about how nobody wants Chinese cars in America? And that there's some political stuff there going on. Well, guess what? Ch- Canada, which, i- i- i- the first and last letters are the same as China. So there's something there.
21:24 Doug DeMuro? Also California.
21:26 Speaker 02 And Cambodia.
21:27 Doug DeMuro? Ooh. Canada.
21:30 Speaker 03 Go ahead and Cambodia.
21:31 Doug DeMuro? Decided to allow the Chinese EVs to arrive. Previously, Canada had some massive tariff on Chinese cars like we did. It was like 100% or 200%, something insane. But they decided to allow. Now, the weird thing is that they're allowing Chinese cars to come into Canada tariffed at 6.1%, which is pretty low for vehicles. Apparently, that's Canada's most favored nation tariff rate. So that's just sort of a normal tariff rate. But they're limiting the number. It's only 49,000 cars will be able to come into the country at that rate. And then presumably after that, the rates, the tariff rate goes back up to what it was before, which is sort of similar to policies that Trump has negotiated. Like with the UK, there's a similar policy in the United States, the UK.
22:12 Doug DeMuro? Some, some number of cars is tariffed at a certain rate and then higher than that, it's a lot more. So it's not going to be like an onslaught to the Canadian market, but there will be Chinese cars sold in Canada. There's already Chinese cars sold in Mexico. We see them every day.
22:26 Speaker 03 We do.
22:26 Doug DeMuro? I, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago on the podcast how I, how I saw an MG that reminded me of my grandpappy.
22:30 Speaker 03 Of course.
22:32 Doug DeMuro? It was a three-row electric.
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23:01 Speaker 03 Just like he used to drive.
23:03 Doug DeMuro? Just like, just like grandpappy and grandma would go down, get in the car, go down a country lane, you know? He would say, he would say, Dolores, he'd say, get into the three-row electric SUV with me.
23:16 Speaker 03 But I, I will say, we often equate the Chinese cars with EVs. There are non-EV cars sold in China and that presumably are sold outside of China by Chinese manufacturers. But really, this is like an EV story fundamentally. That's where China's grown the most. I will say, global EV sales were up 20% last year. 20.7 million EVs were, were sold in China and Europe. They skyrocketed as a percent in the US percent went down. I have a stat for you. In 2024, BYD, maker of the seal, had 284 dealerships in Europe. By the end of this year, by the end of 2026, they're targeting having 2,000.
23:55 Doug DeMuro? What does it take to become a BYD dealership in Greece, though? Like, what does it honestly take?
23:59 Speaker 03 Approximately 100 square feet of space.
24:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, a fax machine.
24:03 Speaker 03 Yeah. But nevertheless, clearly, they're going after massive expansion because they know they need to expand outside of China.
24:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:11 Speaker 03 Canada presumably will be an interesting market for them, even if they're capped on how many they can sell.
24:16 Doug DeMuro? Right.
24:16 Speaker 03 And if you're the Canadian government, you're seeing a lot of tensions with the US.
24:20 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
24:20 Speaker 03 Which is slightly weird for historically a very peaceful border with a lot of trade. And also, you have a populace that is pretty upset by rising costs, by inflation, by being priced out of things. And here's your opportunity to.
24:33 Doug DeMuro? Those last two things are really important to mention.
24:35 Speaker 03 Yes.
24:35 Doug DeMuro? Canada, and this is something I've been talking about on this pod forever, which is that as we hold the world off from electric cars,
24:45 Doug DeMuro? we are going to fall behind because the rest of the world wants to buy electric cars. And the other, and this is a tariff story, too, in the same way. Like, if you start these trade wars, it's great to be able to do that. You can be number one trade guy, tradie, traderson, Trump himself, if you're the only one producing these goods. But Canada looks at this and says, maybe USA isn't as much of a friend as they used to be. Maybe USA is sort of a similar actor to China. Maybe USA is as trustable as China. Some European countries are certainly saying that right now after the whole Greenland situation. And so then they start to open up to China. And I guarantee you, the 49,000 cars that they're allowing now becomes 69,000 in two years and 99,000 after that. And the next thing you know,
25:31 Doug DeMuro? Justin Trudeau is driving around in a BYD walrus.
25:34 Speaker 03 With Katy Perry.
25:36 Doug DeMuro? Is that real?
25:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:37 Doug DeMuro? Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry.
25:38 Speaker 03 Apparently.
25:39 Doug DeMuro? What a, pretty amazing.
25:40 Speaker 03 Bizarre. The global market has very much said that EVs in general, some of them that are very into China, EV sales last year were up 17%, Europe was up 33%, the rest of the world, if you remove the US and those, and Europe and China, was up 48%.
25:56 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
25:56 Speaker 03 So the US is really the only detractor.
26:00 Doug DeMuro? And we're still doing V8s and we even talk about on the pod how much we love that. But at the end of the day, we, as a, as a auto manufacturing nation, are being harmed by all.
26:08 Speaker 03 And by the way, this connects to China and that the Chinese automakers are the ones making the most competitive.
26:13 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
26:13 Speaker 03 Global EVs.
26:14 Doug DeMuro? Totally.
26:14 Speaker 03 And that, that ends up mattering.
26:15 Doug DeMuro? In 10 years, we're going to look back at these years and say, we made a mistake.
26:19 Speaker 03 We are.
26:19 Doug DeMuro? We just are. By, by not continuing to subsidize electric vehicle manufacturing and development in the United States. The EVs are going to come in the rest of the world, we're going to be behind, eventually we're going to have to adopt it. And by then, our American automakers will not be ready for battle because everybody continues to allow China in. And more and more, they want to allow China in because they don't even trust the United States. Canada, if we had, if a year, two years ago, if we had stepped in and said, you will not, Canada would have been like, okay, fine, we're going to do, we're going to align with our great friend, the United States.
26:48 Speaker 03 Which they had done until last week.
26:50 Doug DeMuro? Last week. Uh, it's an interesting situation. Give us our next news story, which is related, right?
26:54 Speaker 03 Ah, yes.
26:55 Doug DeMuro? It is related.
26:56 Speaker 03 The Volvo EX60.
26:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:58 Speaker 03 We're excited.
26:59 Doug DeMuro? Are we?
26:59 Speaker 03 Um, yeah, of course.
27:01 Doug DeMuro? I'll let you take this one.
27:02 Speaker 03 Uh, I'm going to give the quick thing. It's another electric Volvo. It looks pretty good, as most Volvos do. Uh, it's going to be able to be ordered this spring. Still revealing final pricing somewhere between 55,000 and 70,000.
27:14 Doug DeMuro? Okay, but hit us, hit us with the big news.
27:16 Speaker 03 Uh, there will be a version that has 670 horsepower.
27:19 Doug DeMuro? 670 horsepower.
27:21 Speaker 03 Volvo.
27:21 Doug DeMuro? 670.
27:22 Speaker 03 And Volvo, the most powerful Volvo to this point has got to be like, the T8, all of them, which has 400 something.
27:29 Doug DeMuro? It is quite a leap.
27:30 Speaker 03 Electric cars, you know?
27:31 Doug DeMuro? Dude, this has, what is, how much is that, 610?
27:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:35 Doug DeMuro? There's no, mid-size, this isn't even the full-size. God only knows, the full-size Volvo crossover has 1,100 horsepower.
27:41 Speaker 03 It will soon.
27:43 Speaker 02 Does it need it?
27:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, dude, are you kidding? My wife had one of these non-electric years ago and she would always come in from the store, you know, from the shops. And she would always say to me, "We only have 350 horsepower. I need 670."
28:00 Speaker 02 It just, it all feels like, it just feels ridiculous. Like, I just don't under, like, I guess in performance cars, I understand the point of having a lot of power. I just think it's kind of just a marketable gimmick and like, it's free, yeah. And that's the only reason it's like.
28:13 Doug DeMuro? And also, others are doing it.
28:15 Speaker 02 Others are doing it, but I.
28:17 Doug DeMuro? When others do it, you have to do it, you know what I mean?
28:19 Speaker 02 If you have that level of acceleration, like, are safety mandates like kind of up to date with what's gonna happen? If you accelerate with a missile down the road?
28:27 Speaker 03 Volvo globally has speed limiters, so you can't drive Volvo more than 112 miles per hour.
28:32 Speaker 02 No, but you can do 0 to 60 in two and a half seconds.
28:35 Speaker 03 You can go from 0 to 112 very quickly, but then you're capped.
28:37 Doug DeMuro? One of the things I've learned also about EVs, because I encounter them on the roads and they never, they're always afraid, they're always want to like flex their muscle, but they never want to, they're always afraid to lose the range. Like, no one's actually gonna floor it in one, like, the Tesla people are like, "Oh, I'm all fast, but I charge this at a public charger and I, you know, every minute I sit there." So I'm actually not gonna go, that happens a lot.
28:59 Speaker 02 I got stuff to do today.
29:00 Speaker 03 I would like to share a couple of other things. By the way, that, the most powerful one, apparently 3.8 seconds.
29:05 Doug DeMuro? Wait, you're gonna share more stuff about the EX6?
29:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, because I want you to explain to me their powertrain levels.
29:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I know, they're called like the.
29:12 Speaker 03 The P6, the P10 and the P12.
29:15 Doug DeMuro? Volvo lost me when they went to B, which I never understood.
29:18 Speaker 03 Last year.
29:18 Doug DeMuro? But what did that mean by?
29:20 Speaker 03 I think it was intended to be that they, they were all mild hybrid at that point.
29:25 Doug DeMuro? Okay, and, and, and of course, B is the internationally, the word for mild hybrid. My mistake, my mistake. Move on to the next news story, I won't talk about this anymore.
29:35 Speaker 03 Can we talk about V8s?
29:36 Doug DeMuro? So this is real?
29:37 Speaker 03 This is real. Ford has announced the Mustang Dark Horse SC.
29:42 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
29:42 Speaker 03 Which has a 5.2 liter supercharged V8.
29:44 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
29:44 Speaker 03 Uh, it's basically the new GT500.
29:47 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
29:47 Speaker 03 Just without the Shelby name. Um, they haven't announced that many specifics yet. Right? So we're kind of trying to infer between where the, the regular Dark Horse is and where the GTD is. And assuming they won't want to go too close to the GTD.
29:59 Doug DeMuro? Doesn't the GTD have the same 500, five, supercharged V8, 5.2 liter, supercharged V8, doesn't it?
30:05 Speaker 03 Yep.
30:05 Doug DeMuro? So what?
30:06 Speaker 03 But we don't, we don't, so we suspect that the GTD has 815 horsepower. I would expect this to have less by some amount.
30:13 Doug DeMuro? What does a regular Dark Horse have?
30:14 Speaker 03 It's a lot.
30:15 Doug DeMuro? Not enough. Uh, Dark Horse has 500. So this is, you think it'll be between 500 and 815?
30:22 Speaker 03 I mean, the old GT500 had 700 something.
30:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was some crazy number.
30:27 Speaker 02 So it'd be slightly, I suspect slightly more than that, but less than.
30:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, it had 760 and 625.
30:31 Doug DeMuro? You're getting into GTD territory.
30:33 Speaker 03 But with that, I bet the differentiator will be a little bit of power than that crazy suspension and the wide body and some of the other.
30:39 Doug DeMuro? And?
30:41 Speaker 03 The fact that it's in Canada.
30:42 Doug DeMuro? The wind, excuse me, we don't talk about that. All Mustangs are American.
30:48 Doug DeMuro? The window into the suspension.
30:51 Speaker 03 Correct.
30:51 Doug DeMuro? Not just the suspension, the window into the suspension. Do you understand that?
30:56 Speaker 03 Yep. Does the GTD have a dual clutch 7.3? It does, right? Same transmission then?
31:01 Doug DeMuro? Some sort of tip situation.
31:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, same, same transmission then. As the old GT500 had too.
31:05 Doug DeMuro? This is cool as hell.
31:06 Speaker 02 It's so cool.
31:07 Doug DeMuro? Especially because we've all been missing, I will say, I'm still kind of missing the GT350. I guess that's the, the Dark Horse itself.
31:15 Speaker 03 I guess, which to be fair, it has the power of it.
31:17 Doug DeMuro? Has the power, but the GT350 was this like special little nugget.
31:21 Speaker 02 Well, yeah, it had that, I mean, that Tremec 6-speed felt so good and that flat plane crank voodoo engine, not reliable, I know, but like the sound was just.
31:29 Doug DeMuro? Everything about it was great and it was special and you see them on the road, it's special.
31:33 Speaker 02 Still.
31:33 Doug DeMuro? And I'm, and this is going to be like that, but like, this is like the GT500. Where's my, where's my Dark Horse SC, but maybe like a lighter horse or like a dark like?
31:42 Speaker 03 A light horse SC?
31:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like a light horse. Or like a dark like, give me like a dark capybara, like you know what I'm saying? Like, like horse like, but smaller, you know what I mean?
31:52 Speaker 02 Cause I think horse like capybara is the creature.
31:54 Doug DeMuro? They both have like long heads and they're on four leg. Like, give me something else, dog, like a Great Dane. Let's call it the Mustang Great Dane and give me 525 horsepower. But like, give me a nice live chassis and a great transmit. I'm not wrong about this. I may be saying it weirdly, but I'm not wrong about that.
32:13 Speaker 02 Your way to get there is bizarre, but I understand your point.
32:15 Doug DeMuro? Especially because the GT350 was popular, remains popular on the used market. Enthusiasts loved it and it's just gone. And I guess Dark Horse was their attempt to kind of, but it's not the same.
32:24 Speaker 03 Not the same.
32:25 Doug DeMuro? Feels like a trim level as opposed to like a Shelby variant.
32:27 Speaker 03 Right, and it seems like Ford's no longer working with Shelby period, which happened at some point, but I don't remember when.
32:33 Doug DeMuro? What a shame.
32:34 Speaker 02 That is, Carroll would be sad. Actually, no, he wouldn't. He'd be fine with it.
32:37 Speaker 03 But it will be incredible power for presumably somewhere in the low hundred thousand dollar range.
32:42 Doug DeMuro? That's what you think it's gonna cost? Aren't GTDs like 300 something?
32:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, but GT500 were around there, were the low hundreds.
32:48 Doug DeMuro? Man, this is gonna be interesting. So the GTD is gonna be specifically focused at like a very specific buyer and price.
32:54 Speaker 02 Well, I mean, wasn't it always, I mean, look at it, you know?
32:56 Speaker 03 It's got the window into this. The last GT500 with options were crossing six figures. And on the secondary market, they're in the high, like 80 to 100 range. So that's, this will be a little bit above that.
33:07 Doug DeMuro? I mean, it makes sense for this to be there, that Mustangs have always kind of been in that, you know, 50 grand, 500 horsepower. Like, that was always kind of the.
33:14 Speaker 03 The GTD will certainly be there, like standalone.
33:16 Doug DeMuro? Halo, the GT3RS.
33:18 Speaker 03 Right, if you will.
33:19 Doug DeMuro? You know what the difference is though? And I'm serious about this, in a GT3RS, you do not have a window into the suspension. Also, they don't make the GT3RS in Canada. Next news story.
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35:09 Doug DeMuro? Ah, yes. I was at the Lamborghini dealer today, and they have, one of the desks of the sales folks has a little signed, you know, those Lamborghini color swatches, like it's the shape of a Lamborghini?
35:21 Speaker 02 He signed it?
35:22 Doug DeMuro? He signed one of them. And I was thinking...
35:23 Speaker 02 I met him at Quail, and I said that he is to Lamborghini what Luca di Montezemolo was to Ferrari. And he liked a lot. And he's also one of the most stylish CEOs in the world.
35:31 Doug DeMuro? That's a lot of... And it's true. And proof of that is the fact that they have sold a record number of cars. Again, Lamborghini sold a record number of cars.
35:39 Speaker 02 Which is fascinating, because the Tamarin is not yet available to the public, correct?
35:44 Doug DeMuro? That is true, but you remember, you know what the base model Lamborghini is?
35:48 Speaker 02 The Urus?
35:49 Speaker 03 The Urus. And boy, there are a lot of them. I was at the Lambo the other day. There's seven Uruses there in the showroom.
35:54 Speaker 02 They do. I see those. When you think about it, you see them a lot.
35:57 Speaker 03 There are a lot.
35:57 Speaker 02 But it makes, I mean, but that is impressive. Like, that's what was, what did they sell the year prior?
36:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, so this year they sold 10,747 cars, which I believe is up by a truly small number from prior, something like 47 cars from the prior. I had this number in my mind, but then I forgot, distracted by the bracelets.
36:15 Speaker 02 I know. The bracelets are quite a decision with the suit that he's wearing. The suit is so good. The bracelets are, he's supporting a lot of different things.
36:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, it, it, this is only 60 cars more than the prior, but hey, an increase is an increase. And this is a new record for Lamborghini.
36:30 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's, it is legitimately impressive considering they're not selling the Temprario yet.
36:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly.
36:35 Doug DeMuro? Maybe they are in Europe or in some markets already, but I haven't seen any reels of it. And
36:41 Speaker 03 And you'll see reels of it crashing.
36:42 Doug DeMuro? You start to see reels when cars go on sale. They're in Europe.
36:45 Speaker 03 It is a lot of Esso Monaco posts of pictures. The Urus had an up, had a facelift in 25.
36:51 Doug DeMuro? Urus had a facie.
36:52 Speaker 03 Uh, they, their leading market was Europe, the Middle East, and Africa with 6,400, excuse me, 4,600 vehicles sold. Uh, America is a 3,300.
37:01 Doug DeMuro? Their leading market, Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, one market. Yeah, well.
37:05 Speaker 03 EMA, man.
37:06 Doug DeMuro? Their, their leading market was every single country but Mexico. And unfortunately, their second market, Mexico, uh, finished second this year.
37:14 Speaker 03 They grouped into three categories.
37:16 Doug DeMuro? Whole, whole group, they grouped into three categories. There's, there's Asia, which must include Australia. There's, there's the middle of the world, if you look at a Mercator projection.
37:25 Speaker 03 Correct.
37:26 Doug DeMuro? And then we are included with South America.
37:28 Speaker 03 We're included with America. Yep. Yep.
37:33 Doug DeMuro? Nothing, nothing like, oh, oh, the, the guy who oversees Europe and Africa gets credit for a sale, whether the car is sold in Brussels or Cape Town.
37:41 Speaker 03 Yep. Apparently, by the way, order for the Temerario is already about a full year of production.
37:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they told me at the dealer they've already got, it sounds like about a year spoken for already. And a lot of other handraisers who want to see the car first.
37:52 Speaker 02 Not a surprise.
37:53 Doug DeMuro? No, but I will say it is pretty impressive. They were able to outsell last year considering Urus is an old product. Revolto is presumably supply constrained. They seem to be tremendously popular and exciting. And the new base cars in here, next year you're gonna see some crazy Lamborghini sales.
38:06 Speaker 03 I bet they will be at about 10,805.
38:10 Doug DeMuro? No, the dealer told me that that Temerario is coming in Q2, so it's gonna be here.
38:14 Speaker 03 Deliveries are starting in January in Bierbrunnen.
38:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, so it's coming.
38:18 Speaker 02 I'm happy for Lamborghini, to be quite frank with you. I think that it's, I think it's really cool. I think the appreciation of their older cars shows that there's more interest in this brand, which it deserves. And I'm, I mean, I'm happy. I'm happy they're making ridiculous cars.
38:30 Speaker 03 Yeah. Also, the Volkswagen Group needed a win.
38:33 Speaker 02 This is, I think this is a big win in a relatively small segment.
38:37 Doug DeMuro? You know, Winkelman, I'm looking, he ran Alfa Romeo Germany and the first thing he did,
38:45 Doug DeMuro? he was, oh, he was, he was area manager for several European markets and his first vehicle was that he launched with that job was the 156, the Alfa Romeo 6.
38:53 Speaker 03 Good vehicle.
38:54 Doug DeMuro? And so you know he knows how to reveal, release a good product, you know what I'm saying?
38:57 Speaker 03 We do love the 156.
38:58 Doug DeMuro? Are you thinking about importing one?
39:00 Speaker 03 I'm waiting for the 159.
39:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:03 Doug DeMuro? Yep. And then also, no. Should have been clear. Do we have any other news stories hoping to go?
39:10 Speaker 02 Couple. So Audi released their livery for the new Formula One car. I'm very excited. Audi's gonna be competing in Formula One. Granted, this is kind of a name change of a team, but ultimately Audi themselves are competing.
39:19 Doug DeMuro? What is it a name change from?
39:22 Speaker 03 You don't know if hand that?
39:23 Speaker 02 No, I know, I should know. It was Sauber who became them, I believe. So it was, Nico Hulkenberg and, so Mattia Binatum, who was the former team principal at Ferrari, was axed and then eventually ended up here. So he's gonna be leading that team. Jonathan Weely, they both kind of revealed it with Nico Hulkenberg and give her a boteletto. It was steak Sauber F1 was the name of the, I forgot the name of the first sponsor. They revealed it in what was a very bizarre, it looked like, picture if people from Berlin made like a cathedral, this hedonistic cathedral. That's what it looked like where it was revealed. It was pretty crazy.
39:58 Speaker 03 It was. I sent him the live link.
40:00 Speaker 02 Which I watched. And the two Formula One drivers came out wearing sweatpants, which was very interesting.
40:05 Doug DeMuro? So, sure.
40:06 Speaker 02 But this is just the color scheme.
40:08 Doug DeMuro? Is Audi building the engines?
40:09 Speaker 02 No.
40:10 Doug DeMuro? Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do, are we supposed to care?
40:14 Speaker 03 No, we only care about Cadillac.
40:16 Speaker 02 We do care about Cadillac.
40:17 Doug DeMuro? But even Cadillac, do you know what engine who supplied the engines for Cadillac?
40:20 Speaker 03 All I know is that they're revealing their own livery during the Super Bowl, which is American.
40:26 Doug DeMuro? Do you know who supplied the engines for Cadillac? You think it's Cadillac? You think they're putting a Blackwing V in the thing? No.
40:31 Speaker 03 I bet it's Hyundai.
40:32 Speaker 02 Ferrari.
40:33 Doug DeMuro? Ferrari. Ferrari. Cadillac is developing engines, but they're not ready to actually create them until 29. That's how long it takes. Audi's not doing engines, Cadillac's not doing it.
40:43 Speaker 02 Ford is doing the engine for Red Bull, so like it's...
40:46 Doug DeMuro? Although that was a whole thing.
40:47 Speaker 02 That's a whole thing. But give it some time.
40:50 Doug DeMuro? I'm upset about this because I was gonna be a Formula One fan this year in as much as I was planning to watch one, maybe two laps. Uh, because I'm gonna cheer on Cadillac, my hometown team. You know, you know what's funny? This guy Mario Andretti.
41:02 Speaker 02 Sure. Heard of him.
41:03 Doug DeMuro? He turns out to be an American. Anyway.
41:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, you hear the name Mario Andretti and you think to yourself, this can't possibly be a guy who lives in central Pennsylvania, but no it is.
41:16 Speaker 03 I want you to wanna be clear, he was born in Croatia.
41:19 Doug DeMuro? Huh?
41:19 Speaker 03 He was born in Croatia.
41:20 Doug DeMuro? Really?
41:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:21 Doug DeMuro? But he's like an American, like when you talk to him, like when you, I, I've seen a lot of...
41:25 Speaker 03 Oh, I'm so sorry, there are, there is some debate within the Wikipedia page itself.
41:29 Doug DeMuro? That's where he was born.
41:30 Speaker 02 Show us the birth certificate.
41:31 Doug DeMuro? Well, either way, he lives in central Pennsylvania now and there is nothing more American than living in central Pennsylvania. Nothing.
41:36 Speaker 03 He lives in central PA.
41:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. I'm saying nothing.
41:39 Speaker 03 I wanna be clear, sure of yours, he was born in what is now Croatia, but where the Kingdom of Italy.
41:43 Doug DeMuro? You understand my point? Like if you, like, if you live in New York, you know, if you live in some of these places, Seattle, you're probably doing some activities. If you live in central Pennsylvania.
41:53 Speaker 03 You're doing some other activities.
41:54 Doug DeMuro? You are, um, yeah, but they are American. Anyway.
41:57 Speaker 02 So Formula One, uh, so...
42:00 Speaker 03 Kind of depends on how you think about it.
42:01 Speaker 02 This is really just the color scheme for the car. Uh, a number, this is the time of year when all the teams start to release what the cars are going to look like. Ferrari has been very bizarre and they say their slogan this year is built in the dark, driven in the light. To which Red Bull clapped back that they build their cars in the light and drive them there too. But there's a lot of silliness going on this time of year, but nonetheless, we will see these colors on the Formula One grid. I'm very excited.
42:21 Doug DeMuro? Well, this thing was cool as hell, but I'm still not very excited because I want them to be in effect on the engines, not just the cars. To me, it's Audi, but they're just white labeling something else.
42:30 Speaker 02 Give it time. This is a very complicated sport.
42:33 Doug DeMuro? Here's what I want. I want production car engines in the cars, like in the era of my Carrera GT.
42:39 Speaker 02 Well, luckily, there are other classes where the cars look like cars and have
42:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but they're all 911s.
42:45 Speaker 02 No, there's the, watch some IMSA stuff. There's way more to it than that. It's not just McLaren, it's BMW.
42:52 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you a question? Is that like Misano red and graphite gray and like, are they matching this to Audi colors?
42:58 Speaker 02 That's my understanding, yes.
42:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, of course. What do you mean? Well, look at it.
43:01 Speaker 02 Double checking.
43:01 Doug DeMuro? When you think of Audi, these are the colors you think of, right? Yeah, but I want to make sure that I can personally go down and order a Q4 E-tron in that. That scheme? Maybe. Remember the original A-Class Hackenin, Mackenin, Hackenin Edition? Pull that up.
43:18 Speaker 02 Okay, I remember.
43:21 Doug DeMuro? The A-Class Hackenin. Pull it up. Dude, I'm telling you, you're gonna be disappointed that you don't know about this car.
43:26 Speaker 02 I don't remember how it's spelled.
43:27 Doug DeMuro? That'll do it, that'll do it.
43:30 Doug DeMuro? Put it in and go to images.
43:32 Speaker 02 There it is, I remember that.
43:33 Doug DeMuro? Yup. Boom. Yeah, hopefully it'll be like that. Can you order a Q4 like this? I hope so. If Audi was smart.
43:40 Speaker 02 Tell you what, that looks awesome.
43:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
43:43 Speaker 02 I'm sure it doesn't drive great, but it does.
43:44 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no. It's trash.
43:45 Speaker 02 No. Anyway, thanks Formula One. Very excited for the season to begin. Can't compare fast enough. Next news story. So this is Monte Remat. So Monte Remat's recently on Instagram posted a response to Matt Armstrong about the Bugatti repairs that are ongoing there. And he kind of laid out that
44:01 Doug DeMuro? Matt Armstrong, for those who don't know, Matt Armstrong fixes supercars and he's bought a Bugatti of some variety. I can't tell them apart. Although I saw two today at the dealer. Holy crap.
44:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, that has structural damage.
44:12 Doug DeMuro? It got hit.
44:13 Speaker 02 It got hit.
44:13 Doug DeMuro? In Florida, like they all do.
44:15 Speaker 02 Yes.
44:16 Doug DeMuro? And now Armstrong's trying to put it back together. He puts back together Lambos and stuff, does an amazing job, but he's met his match.
44:22 Speaker 02 Right, but it's the CEO of Bugatti decided to make a video responding to this, which is amazing. Because really in the video, he talks about why the parts are so expensive. Because that's one thing that Matt brings up is how crazy the prices are.
44:35 Doug DeMuro? Buy a Chirona, you don't want it to be expensive to repair.
44:37 Speaker 02 Well, he made, like, some of the stuff is like hard to understand, but it makes sense because it's bespoke to this car and like to meet like regulations and Stuff. It's really, really hard to build this stuff. He also explained like there are some parts that, you know, Matt says are shared with Audis and Volkswagens. It's like, well, sort of. According to Monte, it's like the housing might be, but the internals of it are not the specific to the cars. Not sure exactly, but he also mentioned that he's an enthusiast and loves like what Matt is doing. But as a CEO and how he's doing it, he can't condone it for safety reasons, which sounds like a legal thing to me.
45:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, but, but it's also probably true.
45:11 Speaker 02 It's probably true.
45:12 Doug DeMuro? Like, we all watch the Matt Armstrong videos, all of us. Have you watched them? He has a property in the UK that I look at and I just think, if I could sell Felipe for that property, I would.
45:22 Speaker 03 I'm not worth enough. I'm sorry.
45:23 Doug DeMuro? But we all watch the videos, apparently except for him, but all the rest of us. And we all think to ourselves, wow, this is cool. It's amazing to watch. Might this be sketchy? Might I, would I drive this car?
45:34 Speaker 02 His place for future owners.
45:36 Speaker 03 Yeah. Any salvage rebuilt car has some amount of sketchiness.
45:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, maybe. I mean, let me tell you something. Stefan Eric, Stefan Erickson, he was the guy who was Enzo split in two, right?
45:47 Speaker 02 I believe that's right, yeah.
45:49 Doug DeMuro? When that car got rebuilt, salvage rebuilt, uh, what they did was they built a new one.
45:54 Speaker 03 Well, there are exceptions. And if Monte remembers is just building a new one, fine.
45:58 Speaker 02 Well, so actually, so according to Monte, they actually reached out and said that they would do the repairs for a certain number, negotiate a number and that, that Matt Armstrong rejected it.
46:07 Doug DeMuro? Well, the repairs are, it's probably seven zillion.
46:09 Speaker 02 Exactly.
46:10 Doug DeMuro? You want to spend seven zillion or do you want to do it yourself and make YouTube rev, dude? Matt Armstrong is no fool. Matt, he didn't get that property with the, with the home gym by, by screwing around.
46:19 Speaker 02 Right. He didn't have to sell a Felipe to get it.
46:21 Doug DeMuro? He didn't even have to sell.
46:22 Speaker 03 Matt Armstrong BMX. I will say, I love that we're talking about YouTuber drama. I assume we'll talk about Tavars next week.
46:27 Doug DeMuro? It's not drama. This is real stuff.
46:31 Speaker 02 If we can get Zach Brown to clap back.
46:33 Doug DeMuro? If you want, if you want.
46:36 Doug DeMuro? We can talk about Tavars every week. All right, let's move on to the talk cars segment, which is, which is, uh, brought to you by, uh, cobblestone floor mats. Cobblestone floor mats. Get them at your local Autozone.
46:48 Doug DeMuro? Does Autozone sponsor us?
46:49 Speaker 02 No.
46:50 Doug DeMuro? Whoever sponsors us, get them there. All right.
46:55 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk about my 993 twin turbo.
46:57 Speaker 03 Not here.
46:58 Doug DeMuro? I got a Porsche, that red one.
47:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:01 Doug DeMuro? Right. And I took it over to the shop there, Black Forest. It's a Porsche shop up here down the street.
47:05 Speaker 02 They're great.
47:05 Doug DeMuro? And, okay, I don't know anything about them, but I, but I have friends who say they're great.
47:09 Speaker 02 They're great.
47:09 Doug DeMuro? So I took the car in there and they called me and they said, hey, I, I took it in for a, a service, you know, and they, they called me and they said, hey, it's, it's great. Car looks good. It needs $25,000 in servicing. In, in repairs and servicing. And you know what, you know what happened about, with that? I realized this is the greatest, it is the cheapest repair I've ever done. Because last week, two weeks ago, I announced on the pod that I'm back on cars.
47:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was a good period.
47:36 Doug DeMuro? After a $25,000 repair for the 993, I'm off cars again. So it's, see, I was gonna spend 40 grand to switch my Sequoia into an LX 700H Overtrail. Not doing it. So right there, I'm up 15 grand in this service. I should call them and say, hey, do more stuff. Then I was thinking about some other exotic cars that I don't want to talk about right now. I'm not doing that either. Even though I'm not doing it, I still don't want to talk about it. And that saved me like 300,000. So as far as I'm concerned, this $25,000 service saved me like almost 400,000. I really owe, owe those folks a debt of gratitude.
48:07 Speaker 03 992 Turbo S?
48:09 Doug DeMuro? Under no circumstances will I be buying that vehicle.
48:13 Speaker 03 I'm just guessing.
48:13 Doug DeMuro? I had 992 Turbo S in the office the other day. It was, it was lilac.
48:16 Speaker 03 I liked it. I liked the color. Um, I'm sorry that you're off cars. I really didn't, I did enjoy the period that you were on cars.
48:22 Doug DeMuro? It was a fun period. It was really enjoyable.
48:24 Speaker 02 It was a while. It was a pretty good run.
48:26 Speaker 03 Two weeks, three?
48:27 Speaker 02 He bought another car during that time. He bought, I mean, he bought the 993 Turbo when he got back.
48:31 Doug DeMuro? No, this was only during the last two week period.
48:33 Speaker 03 Truly, it was brief.
48:35 Doug DeMuro? I am still looking.
48:36 Speaker 03 You had to catch him at the right moment. You could have, we could have got him to buy a car had we like.
48:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
48:42 Speaker 03 Somehow found the right car in that day.
48:45 Doug DeMuro? Totally. I am still looking, seriously looking for a 2001 to 2002-ish E55 station wagon, AMG with the third row. And we're looking in Europe and Asia. I'm still interested in one of those. Mainly because I can buy one of them for the cost of this 993 Turbo service.
49:02 Speaker 03 Remember when you got the car and you were like,
49:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:04 Speaker 03 I can't believe how much your prior owner put into this car in service.
49:06 Doug DeMuro? Guy put in it, well, yeah.
49:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:09 Doug DeMuro? Twenty-five grand more. What needed more?
49:11 Speaker 03 To be fair, your, your rule that you said very publicly is that you expect to pay about 10% of the purchase price to get the car to where you specifically buy it.
49:18 Doug DeMuro? When I buy a car, my, my, my rule of thumb is that it needs 10% of the purchase price in service. And I just assume that straight off the bat and I factor it into my purchase price 100% of the time. The car behind me is the only exception. My whole life so far.
49:31 Speaker 03 Well, it needed less than 10%.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? Less than 10%.
49:33 Speaker 03 To be fair, it's an expensive car.
49:34 Doug DeMuro? It's an expensive car. And so when, when the, when the shop called me and said, hey, you know, the, the valve cover gaskets are leaking this and that. You know, you can do this stuff or you cannot.
49:46 Doug DeMuro? I probably have this 993 for two, three years. Why not just do it right off the bat and be able to enjoy a car that you don't have to worry about? I mean, it's a, and when you go to sell at a service like this, the Porsche people freak out about it. Oh my God, he put 25 grand in.
50:00 Doug DeMuro? This is how the Porsche people react when they see a bill like this.
50:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's not quite that guy, that meme of this guy.
50:07 Doug DeMuro? Right. They get so excited. The guy clearly maintains he loved this car.
50:11 Speaker 02 You know what's so funny?
50:12 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna overpay for it.
50:13 Speaker 02 I was actually talking to our producer, Nick, who's looking at cars currently about, uh, about, um, like seeing lots of service work. And some people, it makes them nervous because they're like, oh my God, this car is so unreliable. It tells you one of two things. Either the car, baby, is unreliable, or it tells you that you had a fastidious owner. I view it as the latter, personally.
50:27 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, I mean, it depends on what the records show and what type of car it is.
50:30 Speaker 02 Yes, and with frequency. If you see the same thing being replaced a bunch, something's wrong.
50:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like the, the Nick Arnage records.
50:37 Speaker 02 Oh my.
50:37 Doug DeMuro? I would just burn those if I were him. Like, it'd be better not to show them.
50:40 Speaker 02 Burn them in the car and the whole car.
50:43 Speaker 03 It's great, Kinley.
50:45 Speaker 02 Phenomenal.
50:46 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do? You get a fireplace in the car. You put it right next to your cobblestone floor mats. You get right up there, you sit on your cobblestone floor mats with your big fireplace.
50:55 Speaker 03 Wait, sorry, are the floor mats made of cobblestones? Otherwise, they're a fire danger too.
50:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, no, I think they, I think they're, no, I think they're, they're, I don't know.
51:03 Speaker 02 That's what we're going for.
51:03 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. Go over to bring the trailer. No, I'm kidding. Uh, okay, so that's my set of off cars.
51:07 Speaker 03 Off cars.
51:08 Doug DeMuro? Back off cars, but I'll get the 993 back in a week or two. And you know what I think when I get it back after spending 25 grand? You know what I, you know what I think? It's gonna drive exactly the same.
51:16 Speaker 03 Yep.
51:18 Doug DeMuro? What do you got?
51:18 Speaker 03 All right, I've got a couple of announcements. First of all, I'm going to be, when you're listening to this podcast, Friday night, I'm gonna be in Scottsdale at our event with Avant at the warehouse. Come say hi if you have a ticket. It's a ticketed event.
51:32 Speaker 03 But if you have a ticket, come say hi, bring your cool car, we're gonna talk to you.
51:35 Doug DeMuro? If you don't have a ticket, you meet him after the fact.
51:38 Speaker 03 At that hot dog place.
51:39 Doug DeMuro? What's it called, Mickey's?
51:40 Speaker 03 It doesn't have hot dogs, it's all everything like that. All I know is that they only sell tacos.
51:44 Doug DeMuro? Tostadas.
51:46 Speaker 03 Sure, I'll be there regardless. But on Sunday, we're also doing an event with the Peterson, that is their British, or excuse me, England Calling, a distinguished British cruisin' event. At the Peterson Museum, you can buy tickets by going to carsandbids.com/events and then clicking on that. We, as Cars and Bids, are gonna have a Series 3 XKE that's gonna be up for auction and also there at the event.
52:10 Doug DeMuro? Is Nick bringing his SLR? It's British.
52:13 Speaker 03 Nick Rochon from our podcast is going to be too busy bidding on cars at some other auctions.
52:18 Doug DeMuro? No, not on Sunday.
52:19 Speaker 03 I don't know, he's not, he's not gonna bring the SLR.
52:21 Doug DeMuro? Why not?
52:22 Speaker 03 But we're gonna bring the XKE.
52:22 Doug DeMuro? It's Brit- are you denying that the SLR is British? Are you sitting here telling me that it was made in Britain? Gordon Murray!
52:29 Speaker 03 It was built in Woking!
52:30 Doug DeMuro? It's a British car!
52:31 Speaker 03 Not the engine, the transmission, but...
52:33 Doug DeMuro? People don't respect-
52:34 Speaker 03 Not any of the interior components or exterior components.
52:35 Doug DeMuro? No, the car was asse- look, it's all about assembly. The factory workers who built that car were British. They were paid to build the car, they were British, they were paid by the British people in British pounds.
52:44 Speaker 03 Is that a value add?
52:45 Doug DeMuro? Let me, I'm telling you right now, this is the problem, nobody respects the British Empire anymore. The sun never sets!
52:51 Speaker 03 Regardless, we're gonna have that event. Come say hi to a bunch of people from Cars and Bids and come check out the Series 3 XKE that we have left.
52:58 Doug DeMuro? What is the Coinbase NSX cassette?
53:00 Speaker 03 All right, as you've filmed a bunch of beautiful videos with them, well, one beautiful video and one review with them. Well, we could be a realist here.
53:08 Doug DeMuro? One beautiful video and one Doug video.
53:11 Speaker 03 There is a cassette that Coinbase has made that is the soundtrack from the pretty video that you did with NSX. And it's on a cassette. And if you register at the link in the description below this podcast, you can be entered to win it, it's gonna be autographed by you and you alone.
53:26 Doug DeMuro? There's only one cassette?
53:27 Speaker 03 No, the first some number of people win.
53:30 Doug DeMuro? So wait, when you say register to win, what do you mean? The first some number, so do this now! Folks, if you're listening to this, go!
53:36 Speaker 03 You have to sign up for Coinbase, verify your identity as part of the normal Coinbase process.
53:40 Doug DeMuro? Folks, if you do this-
53:41 Speaker 03 And then you can get a cassette.
53:42 Doug DeMuro? You get a cassette?
53:43 Speaker 03 It's signed by you. You'll never be able to use it again.
53:46 Doug DeMuro? Like because no one has cassette.
53:47 Speaker 03 Unless you win the NSX because it has a cassette player.
53:50 Doug DeMuro? My Countach has a cassette player.
53:51 Speaker 02 My M5 has a cassette player.
53:52 Speaker 03 Um, and also the case will be autographed by Douglas De Muro himself.
53:57 Doug DeMuro? We gotta talk about the SL65 then we have to move on to the market board. We've gone way long already.
54:01 Speaker 03 I know.
54:01 Doug DeMuro? There are many questions.
54:02 Speaker 03 Insane.
54:02 Doug DeMuro? We had too many news. We shouldn't talk about the EX65.
54:05 Speaker 03 And you cut off the news stories. I want to talk about the WRX, which is $3,000 cheaper today than it was yesterday. That's 10%.
54:12 Doug DeMuro? Tell us about the SL65.
54:13 Speaker 02 Yes, the SL65, like I said, got back from service. I recently uploaded a video on my YouTube channel, which is my name, Kenan Rolson. You can go check it out, but I, which.
54:19 Speaker 03 That's two N's.
54:20 Speaker 02 That's two, you know, someone asked me. Someone asked me the other day, it's like, is it three N's or four N's? I'm like, what?
54:25 Speaker 03 The spelling of Kenan and Filippo, no one has ever spelled it.
54:28 Speaker 02 It's K E.
54:29 Speaker 03 And Filippo, correct.
54:30 Speaker 02 K E N N A N R O L S E N.
54:34 Speaker 03 That's four N's.
54:35 Doug DeMuro? Sometime you're.
54:35 Speaker 03 Just on a row.
54:36 Doug DeMuro? Sometimes you're reading the comments and, and they get Kenan right, and then they Felipe. Or they get Filippo right and Kenan is one.
54:43 Speaker 02 And Ken on with an O.
54:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, or with an N. Folks.
54:45 Speaker 02 Or an I somehow.
54:47 Doug DeMuro? Folks, just, you know, you know what I learned as a person with a weird last name? Everybody who does that, their, their name is John Smith. Every person who screws up your name, because they've never had to be thoughtful about how to spell a name in their life. It's sort of like.
54:59 Speaker 02 I'm sure Filippo and I are both really careful and make sure we spell people's first names correctly.
55:04 Doug DeMuro? I am 100%.
55:04 Speaker 02 I am very sensitive to it.
55:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
55:06 Speaker 02 Very sensitive.
55:06 Speaker 03 I'm very, I'm sensitive to it because at a certain point you become decent.
55:10 Doug DeMuro? You have to give up. You have to give up.
55:11 Speaker 02 No, I, I care. I care about all the people. But anyway, so the SL65 is back. I've planned a series of videos I'm going to do on it because I decided that like, it's not going to stick around all that long. I love the car, but we're, we are going to sell it at some point.
55:22 Speaker 03 It's so fast.
55:23 Speaker 02 It is so fast, but we're going to find out how fast in an upcoming video I'm going to film next week. I'm going to do a dyno test of the car to see how much power it's making, which I think will be very interesting. See how accurate those RennTech numbers actually are. And then I'm also going to take it to a drag strip with Nick, which I think will be very interesting too. Uh, and we'll see.
55:40 Speaker 03 We'll see who wins, the Germans or the British.
55:43 Doug DeMuro? Does it bother you?
55:44 Speaker 02 Or the Germans and the Germans.
55:45 Doug DeMuro? Does it bother you that regardless of the dyno results and the drag strip results, that that new Volvo we talked about earlier is faster and more powerful?
55:53 Speaker 03 It's not more powerful.
55:54 Speaker 02 I don't think it's more powerful.
55:55 Speaker 03 Or faster.
55:55 Speaker 02 I don't know what the torque figure is. We'll find out.
55:57 Speaker 03 It's definitely fast.
55:58 Doug DeMuro? 580. 670.
56:00 Speaker 02 It's 112. My car keeps going. Oh, in Mexico.
56:02 Doug DeMuro? All right. We need to get one of these from Volvo. Volvo, Volvo.
56:08 Doug DeMuro? If you're listening. Alright.
56:09 Speaker 02 But nonetheless, I got some really cool things I still want to do with the car before it goes on to its next owner. So those will be coming up very soon.
56:16 Doug DeMuro? He's gonna sell the SL. Folks, if you want a good SL65, white. Over red, right? Ren-Tech badges.
56:22 Speaker 02 One of eight.
56:22 Doug DeMuro? He's gonna pull the Ren-Tech.
56:24 Speaker 02 I'm gonna pull the ones off the side. I think I'm gonna leave the one on the rear there where the AMG badges. It looks okay.
56:28 Doug DeMuro? People need to know. Or maybe they don't. Oh. You know, you just dust them.
56:32 Speaker 02 I know, but.
56:33 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of Mercedes-Benz, I want to talk about the SLS. Can you pull up the SLS? We sold last, yesterday, I don't know. It's, it's, I don't know when you're watching this, so I can't tell you when it happened. We also don't know what day it is right now. There's a lot of things not going. You could be watching this two months from now. Two months ago, we sold an SLS. Anyway, we sold this SLS for $160,500. Silver, red, the right, the right spec, the Hovey spec, you know what I'm saying? And, uh, take a look at the mileage. Sorry, Hovey spec is that it has damage on the door from opening it and running into your house and now.
57:01 Speaker 02 Too soon, Filippo, too soon.
57:03 Doug DeMuro? 67,500 miles on this car. That is over 100,000 kilometers.
57:10 Doug DeMuro? I think. That's pretty legit. You don't see these come up all that often. Nonetheless, it sold for $160,500. Presented very well. You're looking at the photos. It looks really nice.
57:19 Speaker 02 Really nice.
57:19 Doug DeMuro? Really clean car, inside and out. Um, but it is interesting to see that even with, with big miles, these cars are still big valuable.
57:28 Speaker 02 It makes sense. I mean, they're pretty stout cars.
57:31 Doug DeMuro? They're stout.
57:31 Speaker 02 The M158 is a great engine.
57:33 Doug DeMuro? And apparently when you do the head bolt fix on other AMGs, you put in the head bolts that were on this car.
57:37 Speaker 02 This one does not need it. It is a different engine. It's dry sump, like it's, it's not, yeah, it's the M158. But yeah, they are, I mean, the goal, it looks amazing. They drive really great. It has the same door clutches in the 458. It's a modern car fast and the doors go like this.
57:51 Doug DeMuro? Yep, yep.
57:52 Speaker 02 So it's, it kind of gives you everything. And I think it's a very, it's reasonable. These cars are valuable.
57:57 Doug DeMuro? I agree. Also, it's a Mercedes product in that the interior components will look plasticky because that was the era, but they will hold up. Supercars from companies that make normal cars. That's my thing. That's supposed to be like a water bottle. You know, the first SLS I ever drove, you know who was sitting next to me? Filippo. That's right.
58:16 Speaker 02 Is that true?
58:16 Doug DeMuro? That is factually accurate. I remember it vividly. Go back, you can watch the videos. Years ago, Filippo may have even been in it. We did a Bentley Mulsanne video that same day, and I think you were in that one. I think you needed somebody to be like in the backseat or something. Filippo sat next to me in first SLS I ever drove. Good car.
58:33 Speaker 02 What a piece of history.
58:34 Doug DeMuro? I know, right? I love it. I think these cars drive great. They are so, the steering and the handling is so, the steering is incredibly sharp for a car 2012. The handling, the chassis is incredibly good for cars 2012. It's shocking how good these cars drive. Uh, but of course you want the coupe.
58:48 Speaker 02 And that engine is just, you just feel like you're strapped to a giant motor because you are.
58:53 Doug DeMuro? But unlike a lot of the AMG cars, especially from this era, the car wasn't all engine. It was a really good overall experience, and I think the market is really waking up to that. If this had a manual, I think it'd be selling for four times what it sells for.
59:06 Speaker 02 Totally, but you know, Mercedes Benz made a manual a long time.
59:09 Doug DeMuro? But you get my point. Like, it's such a good car in every other respect, the way it looks, the way it drives, how rare it is, how special it is. If it, if that one thing was different, I think it would be absolutely killing it.
59:18 Speaker 02 Yep, totally.
59:19 Doug DeMuro? Sort of like Filippo's 500 Abarth. Uh, I want to do one other market report. It is not the Mazda 5. We are not talking about that. No, no. Please. It's a 100 or 30 minutes. And we're not going to devote time. It's a manual minivan. Talk to us about something. You got the, uh, STIRA.
59:36 Speaker 02 Yes. So we recently, so as I just made the point a little bit earlier, I think that there is more interest in modern enthusiast cars as other things seem to be raining a little bit. At least with Ferraris. I think that's the canary in the coal mine in my view. This car I think is proof. So this is a WRX STI Type RA sold for 40 grand and had 13,000 miles on it, which is not nothing for one of these. So a lot of these cars are preserved and sit around. This one sold for more. Bring a Trail sold on very similar mileage on their site not that long ago, and this one sold for more. And I just think it's indicative that these cars are like really beloved. And there aren't that many Subarus that like, a rare Subaru is one that's rare because it's not modified because it's low mileage and stuff. This one's actually special. Only about 500 of these things.
1:00:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's also really cool.
1:00:19 Speaker 02 It's also very cool, but I think that interest is going to continue to grow in cars like this. I was thinking about trying to think about like, what modern cars would I buy today? If I if the market is going to go up on more modern stuff. I kind of think this is in that realm, to be honest with you.
1:00:32 Speaker 03 It's interesting. We've sold other SGI type RA's and this is one of the highest results.
1:00:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:39 Speaker 03 They have gone up.
1:00:41 Doug DeMuro? Unmodified.
1:00:41 Speaker 02 It's indicative of where things are going.
1:00:44 Speaker 03 Okay, can you define? Oh, but they wanted the good North Carolina place.
1:00:46 Doug DeMuro? Unmodified low miles and look at the front plate. Have you ever seen a car in your life where the where the number, production number?
1:00:53 Speaker 02 Is on.
1:00:54 Doug DeMuro? On. Take that, that Mini GP with the thing on the little on the little side panels? No, no, no.
1:00:59 Speaker 03 Ambassador with a little heart. That's so cute. That's so sweet.
1:01:02 Doug DeMuro? This was obviously a really clean Type RA. Obviously, the S209s bring even more money.
1:01:06 Speaker 03 Difference between the S209 and the Type RA?
1:01:09 Doug DeMuro? Okay, the S209 has canards.
1:01:11 Speaker 03 Canards? Wait, that is a North Carolina plate, right?
1:01:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:15 Doug DeMuro? It's the Appalachian.
1:01:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:17 Doug DeMuro? Don't do this.
1:01:20 Doug DeMuro? The S209 had the intercooler water spray.
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1:01:51 Speaker 03 Okay, so we're sort of like important things that it's worth double the price.
1:01:56 Doug DeMuro? Brembos, Bilstein dampers, larger turbo, chassis bracing, but I think it didn't make that much more power. Anyway, the S209, the S209s were also super, super low production. All these cars are really cool. All the special edition of the STIs are really cool. I think this one is such a neat looking car.
1:02:12 Speaker 03 The S209 had more powers, you know that?
1:02:14 Doug DeMuro? A little bit more.
1:02:15 Speaker 02 A lot of Ferrari special editions kind of, this is kind of a weird point, but a lot of Ferrari special editions are, you know, they're just, it feels like a lot of them. McLaren is the biggest. They they make so many special editions, it's really hard to keep them all straight. This is an actually very special car. And I expect like stuff that's like, like really serious like this among diehard enthusiasts will just like continue to go up.
1:02:34 Speaker 03 Also, still good car and Subaru refuses to make a real STI and there you are.
1:02:39 Doug DeMuro? You know, the S209 also had a carbon roof. Remember that?
1:02:41 Speaker 03 Really?
1:02:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:02:42 Speaker 03 You know, I know somebody that replaced their roof with a carbon roof.
1:02:45 Doug DeMuro? Oh, do you? Who?
1:02:46 Speaker 03 It's a guy named Johnny. He's over there.
1:02:48 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we need to move on to questions. The questions are brought to you by double column shifters. Double column shifters. If you're going fast, but you want to be going faster, use your second column.
1:03:00 Speaker 03 What is this, Fast and the Furious 5?
1:03:02 Doug DeMuro? Find your second column shifter at your local AutoZone or whoever sponsors us.
1:03:07 Speaker 02 Or, you know, Photoshop through AI.
1:03:09 Doug DeMuro? Are we not sponsored by some sort of auto parts giant? Folks, we gotta get that going. Tim Hortons.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 I'm sorry?
1:03:17 Doug DeMuro? If we're not gonna get sponsored by auto parts, we should at least get sponsored by Tim Hortons. You can drive your BYD seal now to Tim Hortons.
1:03:25 Doug DeMuro? Okay, questions. First question from RHD for Life.
1:03:29 Speaker 03 Don't know what the heck of this is.
1:03:31 Doug DeMuro? The Canadians in the comments will understand.
1:03:34 Speaker 02 We love Tim Hortons.
1:03:35 Speaker 03 I spent a lot of time in northern New York. There's Tim Hortons everywhere.
1:03:40 Doug DeMuro? We need to, first question is from RHD for Life, which is odd because the question is, we need Filippo to rank all Prius generations. You know, we used to do all the rankings and we haven't done in a while, but I think Prius is a good one to do. You want to do it right now with me?
1:03:53 Speaker 03 Sure. We're calling the first generation, the first one sold in the US. I want to be clear, Doug believes there's a prior one, there's not.
1:03:59 Doug DeMuro? There are two Prius generations before the famous 04 Prius.
1:04:05 Speaker 03 Right, no, there's actually just one. We're calling that one, the 04 Prius is two.
1:04:09 Doug DeMuro? There was a pre-first gen. Let's call it the Prius half-gen.
1:04:14 Doug DeMuro? In Japan.
1:04:15 Speaker 03 There was a facelift.
1:04:16 Doug DeMuro? Pull it up.
1:04:17 Speaker 03 Barely.
1:04:17 Doug DeMuro? I want you to pull up 1997.
1:04:19 Speaker 03 Also have shaved door handles.
1:04:20 Doug DeMuro? I want you to pull up 1997 Prius, and I want Filippo to understand.
1:04:23 Speaker 03 No, I'm familiar. It was shown at an auto show and nothing else changed.
1:04:26 Doug DeMuro? It was that. That was the first Japanese generation of the Prius.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 It's the same.
1:04:31 Doug DeMuro? It predicts.
1:04:31 Speaker 03 Rory Gilmore drove that car.
1:04:33 Doug DeMuro? Rory Gilmore Prius. Okay, look, the point is.
1:04:36 Speaker 03 The wheels are quite.
1:04:36 Doug DeMuro? Regardless, this is the worst gen. We agree?
1:04:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, okay, so we're ranking, this is last.
1:04:42 Speaker 03 The second gen, the 04 gen is number one.
1:04:44 Doug DeMuro? You know, okay, all right, I want to discuss this because I was worried that would happen and I want to discuss this. Filippo?
1:04:49 Speaker 03 We've sold one.
1:04:50 Doug DeMuro? Filippo?
1:04:50 Speaker 02 I remember.
1:04:51 Doug DeMuro? The current Prius?
1:04:53 Speaker 03 Is number two.
1:04:53 Doug DeMuro? Is one of the great new cars on sale.
1:04:56 Speaker 03 The current Prius is number two.
1:04:57 Doug DeMuro? Filippo?
1:04:57 Speaker 03 The current Prius is number two.
1:05:00 Speaker 03 This is, okay, have you, you've reviewed this car? It is, was innovative.
1:05:04 Doug DeMuro? Changed the world.
1:05:05 Speaker 03 It truly changed the world. It was an introduction of different type gear shifters, like the first car to have that. Had a huge center screen in 04, had a huge center screen.
1:05:13 Doug DeMuro? I mean, it did a lot.
1:05:14 Speaker 03 It was efficient. It was the first real hybrid that people bought, cared about. They were everywhere. It was space efficient. It was spacious. It's reliable.
1:05:23 Doug DeMuro? The two-drop shape.
1:05:24 Speaker 03 I know, it's everything.
1:05:25 Doug DeMuro? But it was on like BS cars like that. The Prius, like.
1:05:27 Speaker 03 It is godly.
1:05:29 Doug DeMuro? The first, the second gen.
1:05:30 Speaker 03 Steering wheel controls for the HVAC system, like.
1:05:32 Doug DeMuro? I know. The second gen Prius, which this is, is, is, will probably be looked back on as one of the top five most impactful cars of my lifetime.
1:05:41 Speaker 03 I agree with that, and therefore it's number one. Also, it's pretty good.
1:05:44 Doug DeMuro? So, it's not only number one for all those reasons, but even though the new Prius, I think, is a, is a better car, even by relative to its, where it is in the world today. It's just not as relevant.
1:05:55 Speaker 03 It's also not any, the new one's not that much more efficient than this one was, like it's.
1:06:00 Doug DeMuro? It's a lot faster, though, and the tech is a lot better, and the pricing is still decent, and another one's a lot to drive, and it looks better. The new Prius makes a huge amount of leaps, but it is just not as relevant as this car was. This car changed the world. It showed us all that you didn't have to be some weirdo hippie lib driving an Insight to drive a Prius.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Right. You could be a movie star and drive this car.
1:06:21 Doug DeMuro? No, you could be a taxi driver. You could be anybody, anybody who just wanted to save money, could go and buy one of these and live in it.
1:06:28 Speaker 03 Everybody did.
1:06:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:06:30 Speaker 03 Uh, this is number one. Current generation is number two.
1:06:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:06:33 Speaker 03 The generation after this, which I think came out in.
1:06:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was 09.
1:06:38 Speaker 03 9?
1:06:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:06:39 Speaker 03 Is number 3.
1:06:39 Doug DeMuro? 10. Okay.
1:06:40 Speaker 03 The first generation is number 4.
1:06:43 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow.
1:06:44 Speaker 03 And the last gen one, what the like.
1:06:46 Doug DeMuro? What's wrong with that one?
1:06:47 Speaker 03 It's just not good. Also, they had real liability problems, oddly.
1:06:50 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna.
1:06:51 Speaker 03 And the Prius Prime of that generation was hideous.
1:06:53 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna rank him for you, okay?
1:06:54 Speaker 03 Hideous.
1:06:54 Doug DeMuro? Here's the ranking. This is number 1.
1:06:55 Speaker 03 2019 Prius Prime.
1:06:56 Doug DeMuro? This is number 1.
1:06:58 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah.
1:06:58 Doug DeMuro? Number 2 is the new one.
1:07:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:00 Doug DeMuro? Number 5 is the first gen. I don't really care about the betweens.
1:07:04 Speaker 03 I stand by my ranking.
1:07:05 Doug DeMuro? And honestly, the fact that the betweens were such a derivative of this further shows just how special this car was.
1:07:11 Speaker 03 Look up a 2019 Prius Prime, please. It's a bad vehicle.
1:07:15 Doug DeMuro? Nah, it looks fine.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 It's just, if it just wasn't that good.
1:07:18 Doug DeMuro? Nah, it looks fine.
1:07:19 Speaker 03 It just wasn't that good.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? I don't care about those generations, but they are all derivative. Wait a minute, what about the Prius C and the Prius V?
1:07:24 Speaker 03 Uh, the Prius V, number two, period. Prius C, number 17.
1:07:29 Doug DeMuro? It is weird they got rid of the Prius V. Uh, okay, next question, uh, from Dragon Wagon. Uh, "Dear Doug, on the previous pod, you referred to your Sequoia as looking to January 6th."
1:07:42 Doug DeMuro? "What would you say are the top five most Republican-looking cars?"
1:07:45 Speaker 03 What would you say are the top five most Republican cars?
1:07:47 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear about this. I, I don't mind a good Republican-looking car.
1:07:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:51 Doug DeMuro? I, I don't, I just don't want to drive an extremist car. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I wouldn't want to drive an IMEV either. I wouldn't want to drive a car that is so lib, it looks like you were there on whatever the lib equivalent of January 6th.
1:08:02 Speaker 03 Extremist?
1:08:03 Doug DeMuro? What is, what do you think?
1:08:04 Speaker 03 Extremist is the word you're going for, but I want to...
1:08:06 Doug DeMuro? You get my point. Like, what, what do you think?
1:08:08 Speaker 03 The Hummer H2.
1:08:09 Doug DeMuro? The Hummer H2 is one, although that's kind of, that's kind of getting into the hands of some kind of sewers at this.
1:08:14 Speaker 03 Hummer pickup EV?
1:08:16 Doug DeMuro? No, although there were a lot of those in the parking lot at Monster Jam. Okay, here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking, okay? You get my point, right? Like, I don't mind a good, I don't mind a good pickup truck. Like, I like a good pickup.
1:08:28 Speaker 03 You don't think that's on there, though?
1:08:29 Doug DeMuro? But what I don't, what I don't like is vehicles that are just so out there in, to the political affiliation that it's kind... You know what I'm like the IMEV, like the first-gen Prius, honestly. Like, you drive around a first-gen Prius, or like, people are like, "Oh, it coexists."
1:08:43 Speaker 03 Right.
1:08:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:46 Speaker 03 A, a friend of mine's dad won a, was part of a team that won a Nobel Prize for, uh, the environment. And he had a first-gen Prius.
1:08:54 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
1:08:55 Speaker 02 There you are.
1:08:55 Speaker 03 I'm just gonna say. Shout out to Jonathan Patz.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so, two, the most Republican-looking cars, I mean, look, TRX, Sequoia TRD Pro, Raptor, um, um...
1:09:06 Doug DeMuro? Tundra TRD Pro, Cybertruck, and the Mercedes E-Class station wagon. In a different way.
1:09:12 Speaker 02 In a different way, that's true.
1:09:14 Doug DeMuro? But you can always be sure.
1:09:15 Speaker 03 By the way, there was news you made me cut that the Raptor might soon have a V8 hybrid.
1:09:20 Speaker 02 Wouldn't that be nice?
1:09:21 Speaker 03 Is it Republican at that point?
1:09:23 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah, if it makes more power and sounds like my Sequoia does, it's Republican.
1:09:27 Speaker 02 Was there any Raptor that isn't Republican?
1:09:30 Doug DeMuro? Oh, interesting question. The Ranger Raptor.
1:09:34 Speaker 03 Oh, interesting.
1:09:35 Doug DeMuro? A little less.
1:09:35 Speaker 02 A little, a little less. That's like, that's like, yeah, that's a state representative, not a congressman yet.
1:09:41 Speaker 03 The Sierra AEV that you reviewed.
1:09:43 Doug DeMuro? Oh, deep, deep Republican.
1:09:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was up there.
1:09:46 Doug DeMuro? That guy.
1:09:47 Speaker 03 Every Ram.
1:09:48 Doug DeMuro? Not every Ram.
1:09:49 Speaker 02 Not the EcoDiesel ones?
1:09:51 Doug DeMuro? There are libs who want to tow.
1:09:54 Speaker 03 Not for selling them.
1:09:55 Speaker 02 You think, I'm going backwards a little bit. GMT 600, GMT 800 feel deep Republican to me. If you see them now, it's like a feel.
1:10:01 Doug DeMuro? Oh, I don't know.
1:10:02 Speaker 03 The GMT 800? No, no, no, that is America's vehicle.
1:10:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:10:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's.
1:10:07 Doug DeMuro? I don't think any of the SUVs are that Republican, except the Sequoia. Like even the.
1:10:11 Speaker 03 Once you had a Camo from the factory.
1:10:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, even the Z71 Tahoe, I don't think you can be here.
1:10:17 Speaker 02 Like I. That's what kind of why, well, that red one that we had, that Z71 that you did a video on, that to me was like.
1:10:23 Doug DeMuro? In that era, I think that was true. These days, only connoisseurs have one of those.
1:10:28 Speaker 03 True. The GMT 400.
1:10:29 Doug DeMuro? The GMT 400 is a vehicle driven by only connoisseurs. If you're watching this, you know, a GMT 400, you're a connoisseur. I don't care, by the way, if it's a Suburban, if it's a GMC Suburban, which was like, if it's a Tahoe, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. If it's a truck, if it's a two-door, you're a connoisseur. You are a connoisseur. Okay? Anything else to say on the Republican topic?
1:10:50 Speaker 03 No.
1:10:50 Doug DeMuro? Did I miss any cars? Did I miss any cars?
1:10:53 Speaker 03 Yes, there's so many others.
1:10:55 Doug DeMuro? You agree the E-Class wagon, like an old woman in Connecticut driving an E-Class wagon is just as much a Republican as a guy with a TRX.
1:11:01 Speaker 03 It's not the same vibe.
1:11:03 Doug DeMuro? They just wouldn't talk.
1:11:03 Speaker 03 It's, it's not the same vibe. It doesn't fit the vibe.
1:11:06 Doug DeMuro? They would both vote for the same dude. But they wouldn't talk to each other.
1:11:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:11 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
1:11:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:12 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question from Hop Gunner. It's been about half a year since C and B, that's Cars and Bids, the finest auction site.
1:11:19 Speaker 03 The only auction site.
1:11:20 Doug DeMuro? The only, there's not others. Started offering auctions for pre 1980 cars. How do you think it's going? Have you learned anything? You, you work in this business. How's it going?
1:11:29 Speaker 03 It's going great. I, it, we have taken a very deliberate approach to it, right? We want to have cars that we think are cool and interesting that we think our audience would appreciate. There, there's some reality to the fact that we're still learning more about them. Like every single day as we auction more and more and more of them, there's cars that we discover people are really into. And discover that, okay, that was a good experiment that like wasn't, didn't quite resonate with the folks on Cars and Bids. But auctioned a good number of cars, sold a good number of cars, continue to get kind of great submissions and great interest in them. Uh, turns out that when you have a team that's incredibly good at knowing the market values of every car from 1981 to the present day. It takes a little bit of time to get really, really good at every other car from 1901 to 1980.
1:12:10 Doug DeMuro? Like the Model T.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 The Model T. Uh, but we love hosting them. We love the community that's kind of built up around them. And I'm excited to kind of keep growing that segment of course.
1:12:19 Doug DeMuro? And we have gotten really good numbers for some really serious cars and.
1:12:22 Speaker 03 Including a tribute.
1:12:23 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the GTO tribute, the Pantera the other day did well, a lot of stuff as well.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 We sold the last two Pantera, D Tamasas that we've hosted.
1:12:29 Doug DeMuro? That 914 auction. I'm trying to do more old car videos too, because I know my audience wants to see it. And I've never been able to justify it financially until recently, now that we started offering them. And so we're trying to do a few more of them. I filmed that E-type Filippo was talking about. I actually filmed a video that's coming soon.
1:12:42 Speaker 03 We have two, we sold two D Tamasas the same way. And it's not the only one. There's another D Tamas. These are cool cars.
1:12:48 Doug DeMuro? Mangusta, not a. I think it's gone well. You agree it's gone well.
1:12:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, totally. We, we, we sold a Mangusta and a Pantera in the same week.
1:12:57 Doug DeMuro? Don't just brush it off. Mangustas are substantially more rare.
1:12:59 Speaker 03 I said D Tamas deliberately because I don't know anything else about them.
1:13:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, well, I'm telling you, this is a really special car. Really special car. So beautiful. That rear three quarter is so cool.
1:13:08 Speaker 03 So it is really cool. Sold on.
1:13:10 Doug DeMuro? So I think it's gone well. I, I would say it's gone well. I was very resistant to it at first because I wanted to be the eighties and up auction site and all that. And everybody else in the business was like, come on, come on. And a lot of our sellers were actually really pushing us to do it. So finally I caved. I was like the last holdout. And finally when I caved, they did it. And I think it's gone reasonably well. It seems like, uh, people are into it. Sellers are into it. We've gotten a lot of cars. Buyers are into it. They're buying the cars. And it's been cool. And I've been able to review some stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise, like a Pantera, which I absolutely loved. Uh, 914, the E-type, we got that crazy old BMW, which I'm really.
1:13:39 Speaker 03 You're going to do an Alfa Romeo very soon?
1:13:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:13:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, the 700 Lexus was.
1:13:44 Doug DeMuro? Next question from Josh Edo. Hey Doug and friends, recently you spoke about how much you dislike the Porsche guys who care more about the color of the car than the car itself. Does that not apply to you as well, since you would only consider your 911 Turbo to be arena red? I want to be really clear about this because a couple of people asked this question, but I want to be really clear. I have always focused pretty heavily on making sure that the car that I bought was in the color, the physical color that I wanted. I always try to buy my cars in the press color, the one that was in the auto shows like this, the magazine pictures, the photos that were in the advertisements, always. That was true before my 993, it was true of every car I've ever owned, honestly, it's always been in the color. Where it goes wrong is when you go well beyond that, which is what the Porsche people do.
1:14:24 Doug DeMuro? They get into all the little, I have a 340 window because I got on the underside. And I hate that stuff. And so I think getting the car in the right color is reasonable. I think when you go into the, there's deviated stitching on my license plate bracket. That's where it gets embarrassing. And I think that's a really a pretty big distinction because a color is a big deal. The rest of the stuff is not a big deal. Is this, you agree with this?
1:14:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:14:53 Doug DeMuro? Is this right?
1:14:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. Drive the cars.
1:14:56 Doug DeMuro? Drive the cars, get a cool color, get a car you like, get a cool color, get a couple of options, whatever. But like, just then drive the car and stop focusing on, guys, I'm posting you on rent list, guys, do you think, has anybody, has anybody done? Painted clock handle dials, I want to see, I want to see what the clock face looks like painted pink.
1:15:16 Speaker 03 Cool specs are cool, talking about it because it's the only differentiator is less cool.
1:15:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:15:22 Speaker 02 That's so true.
1:15:23 Doug DeMuro? That's so true.
1:15:24 Speaker 03 A cool spec is cool, objectively, and people will love to see it and talk about it. But if that's the only, if it's not about your experience with the car and why you're enjoying the car and.
1:15:35 Speaker 02 If you're owning it to flex on other people, that's kind of lame.
1:15:39 Speaker 03 Unless you are in a rent tech SL65 and then you need to flex.
1:15:43 Speaker 02 Like Jerry Seinfeld, it's cool because it's confident.
1:15:46 Doug DeMuro? Well, Kenan, what's your license plate?
1:15:49 Speaker 02 It's one he came up with, 65, not 55.
1:15:52 Doug DeMuro? That's right, 65, not 55, baby.
1:15:55 Speaker 02 Because I prefer that speed limit.
1:15:57 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I want to take, I want to do another question that was related to last week's pod that I think we should all really, truly discuss from JB1016. Doug is trolling us VW fanboys when I'm taking the bait. Doug, since you contend that the VR6 is just another V6, can you name a V6 with a single cylinder head? Okay, last week on the pod, I said that VR6 is purely marketing. It's just a V6, but they call it the VR6 to be cool. People are like, no, it has a single cylinder head. You don't understand. There's a lot of engines with a lot of interesting things, okay? When Porsche went from air cooled to water cooled, they didn't call it a flat water six. They just called, kept calling it a flat six, okay? It was this, it was a completely different way of doing things, but they didn't name it something different.
1:16:40 Doug DeMuro? Anybody who buys into this VR6 stuff because it's a single cylinder head, you're getting duped by marketing. Yes, it has an unusual characteristic, but a lot of engines have unusual or special things. And when the manufacturer tries to convince you that that makes it special, that's where you get duped. And by the way, getting 172 horsepower out of a 2.8 liter V6, I wouldn't exactly rocket ship stuff, okay?
1:17:05 Speaker 02 So you're saying that flat 12s, not something because it's a V?
1:17:10 Doug DeMuro? All I'm saying is, you look at the construction of the engine, VR6, is it six cylinders in a V? Oh, it's a V6. And the manufacturer can call it whatever they want. And yes, there are some unusual things about it. Just like there's unusual things about a lot of engines. When they went from steel to aluminum, they didn't start calling them V-Lo engines and try to get marketing. They just made it out of a different thing. And, and they didn't try to sell people on it. And anybody who's sitting over there going, no, the VR6 is superior. It gets 172 horsepower. No, it's as superior as deviated clock face handles, or whatever I said.
1:17:43 Speaker 02 As that link.
1:17:44 Doug DeMuro? Something, it was. Uh, all right. The next question's for Filippo.
1:17:48 Speaker 02 Oh, great.
1:17:50 Doug DeMuro? H-Town says, "Who do we thank for the beautiful cinematography on that NSX video?" And recent videos in general, talking about the Kenan videos. Now that the whole gang has gotten in on it with Doug's recent NSX night drive, I'd love to hear how that started and will there be more?
1:18:04 Speaker 03 I think we should have our producer, Sean, who sits behind that desk, talk about it. But our entire team put in a ton of work and energy. A couple of our, Nick and Sandin, who do a lot of the editing, Sean behind the scenes and a bunch of other really talented folks were a part of it.
1:18:18 Doug DeMuro? And will there be more?
1:18:20 Speaker 03 It depends. Go watch it. Then maybe.
1:18:22 Speaker 02 Yes. I have a Jaguar XK140 video coming very shortly.
1:18:25 Speaker 03 The answer fundamentally is yes. There's a great video that Ken did on another old Jag coming up next week. We're filming some other really incredible content month after month after month.
1:18:34 Doug DeMuro? Sean's over here freaking out. He's like, "You gotta say this. You gotta say that." No, no. Now, I will tell you this about the night video at the NSX.
1:18:44 Speaker 03 It was filmed on a camcorder. We bought a camcorder.
1:18:47 Doug DeMuro? I can shoot one of my videos, you know, four hours, and it's great. Good stuff.
1:18:54 Doug DeMuro? That night video of the NSX took 61 hours.
1:19:01 Doug DeMuro? Actually, I bet it took more than that if you add up the time of all of the people on stuff, you know? Because it took two nights.
1:19:07 Speaker 03 Man-hours, if you will.
1:19:08 Doug DeMuro? Man-hours. It probably took 180. And we got, how would we get out? We got three months. So anyway.
1:19:16 Doug DeMuro? My personal belief, I've watched Motor Trend do this, and my personal belief is I don't think that that pencils out financially, if you really get where I'm going with it.
1:19:24 Speaker 03 But it's also really cool to push the envelope sometimes in fun ways, as with that video. And then also, Kenan did that phenomenal video with the 3.0 CSL that we then auctioned. There's really cool things that we can do because our team is incredibly talented. And is there something where every single video we put out, week after, is gonna be that? No, because to Doug's point, that doesn't quite make sense. But sometimes it's really, really worth it and it's fun to be more cinematic.
1:19:49 Speaker 02 It's fun to present these really special cars that we want to highlight for you guys as an audience because they're really, they are like, some people, maybe they're not familiar with it. Or like the Vanquish they had, or the Veyron. Even I forgot about it just then. People just forget about those cars. It's important to help elevate those things. And it's, I mean honestly, we all kind of, I mean, except for him, we all kind of like doing it. So it's fun.
1:20:10 Speaker 03 Also, we're pretty fast at it.
1:20:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was only 320 man hours.
1:20:14 Speaker 03 Well, that was a little.
1:20:15 Doug DeMuro? Hundred man hours per minute, folks.
1:20:16 Speaker 03 The setup, I think we have a behind the scenes video of it, or at least some photos of it. Like, the setup to capture the shots from that NSX was so cool. Like, I love seeing.
1:20:25 Doug DeMuro? What happened was.
1:20:25 Speaker 03 I love seeing people that are into cameras and cinematography, like, kind of nerd out over it and get to do what they think is fun.
1:20:32 Doug DeMuro? What happened was driving around for a whole night with a rig attached to the NSX that had no license plate, probably.
1:20:38 Speaker 03 The rig probably didn't have a plate. I do agree, the rig on it didn't need a state of the plate.
1:20:43 Doug DeMuro? It probably should have. And if anybody at any point comes to me and says, "You got any permits?", then what you say is, "Oh, God, no, we're just making a little YouTube video, sir." "Oh, no, oh, it's nothing." "Don't mind the rig that took them six months to build before this video." "Don't mind the rig they were up till 1 a.m. the previous night building." "We're just making a little YouTube content for you there."
1:21:04 Speaker 03 We had a camcorder, that was like an old school camcorder, that was filming you. And then there was a camera filming the camcorder.
1:21:11 Doug DeMuro? There was a camera filming you.
1:21:13 Speaker 03 It was so, it was cool.
1:21:14 Doug DeMuro? I remember it.
1:21:14 Speaker 03 It was cool.
1:21:15 Doug DeMuro? It was ridiculous.
1:21:16 Speaker 03 It was cool.
1:21:18 Doug DeMuro? When we do this, you don't understand. Everybody wants cinematic content. When you do, there is no way to justify the existence of cinematic content. Now, I will tell you one little teaser. Pretty soon, that Audi A2 that I made Sean buy.
1:21:30 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:21:30 Doug DeMuro? And that.
1:21:30 Speaker 03 Thank you for admitting it, finally.
1:21:32 Doug DeMuro? That Fiat that Filippo, God knows why he bought.
1:21:34 Speaker 03 Three years ago.
1:21:35 Doug DeMuro? Hasn't run, it hasn't run in two months.
1:21:37 Speaker 03 Three years ago.
1:21:39 Doug DeMuro? We got some video coming up that's pretty well quality with those cars.
1:21:43 Speaker 03 Have you seen it? I haven't seen it.
1:21:44 Doug DeMuro? Haven't seen a thing. But I'm sure it's gonna be great because Sean only makes good content. And if you want to tell Sean how you feel, send me S E A N Sean at carsandbids.com. Uh, I want to get on to our last question here, which is from Ian J. "Doug, I think I can solve your Sequoia problem. You need a Rivian R1S or an Armada 4X, Pro 4X." "Folks, I don't have a Sequoia problem, I'm off cars." All right, that's it. You got anything?
1:22:09 Speaker 03 Uh, come say hi at the
1:22:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we've already
1:22:11 Speaker 03 Say hi at Peterson.
1:22:13 Speaker 02 Shut it up. Check out the YouTube channel.
1:22:14 Speaker 03 Wait.
1:22:14 Speaker 02 Six M S L sixty five.
1:22:15 Speaker 03 I do want to say, go back to that NSX that we've over auctioned. We're, we're, the NSX auction ends on Monday for the three hundred twenty thousand mile NSX. The way that we're live right now. I want to point something out. We, we worked with Coinbase to acquire this car. We have since also done an incredible twenty three thousand dollar engine out service. So if you are looking for an NSX, based on the interior condition and the exterior condition, and now the mechanical condition, it doesn't matter. The, like, the miles don't show on the interior of this car. And now they don't, like, the engine is incredible.
1:22:49 Speaker 02 You know what?
1:22:50 Speaker 03 This is one vibe.
1:22:50 Speaker 02 I agree.
1:22:51 Speaker 03 And I'm a little sad that I just bought a car because otherwise I would.
1:22:55 Doug DeMuro? You agree with this?
1:22:56 Speaker 02 Well, if someone has a two hundred and fifty five thousand mile M five that just looks like it has fifty five thousand.
1:23:00 Speaker 03 That's true.
1:23:01 Doug DeMuro? We did, it was twenty three grand that cost this engine out service.
1:23:03 Speaker 02 That's a layup.
1:23:04 Speaker 03 Twenty three.
1:23:04 Doug DeMuro? I'm wrapping, but. If you're.
1:23:06 Speaker 02 It was more than that?
1:23:07 Speaker 03 Uh, no, I don't remember.
1:23:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:23:08 Speaker 03 If you're, if you want a nice early NSX, this is the one you want.
1:23:12 Doug DeMuro? We did twenty three, so we got a new clutch, new belts. Uh, we did a, it was a, it was like a rebuilt top end.
1:23:18 Speaker 02 Head gasket.
1:23:18 Speaker 03 There, the, the entire invoice is in the gallery.
1:23:22 Doug DeMuro? We, we sent, the people who did it were like the NSX people in Southern California. We sent it up to like Orange County or something, right?
1:23:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:23:29 Doug DeMuro? Folks, if, why aren't you buying this car? If you're sitting here watching this pot, is the car already done? The auction already over by the time, no.
1:23:34 Speaker 03 No, no.
1:23:35 Doug DeMuro? Why aren't you buying this car?
1:23:37 Speaker 03 We did everything.
1:23:38 Doug DeMuro? Why am I trying to say, I don't care if you buy it.
1:23:39 Speaker 03 I, I don't either, but I want you to know, I want everybody watching to know that this is like, the, it's, I find it so cool when a high mile car, like your M five, has been preserved and updated in such a way that it is, it no longer reflects, it's like, the miles on the odometer have no actual impact on how it drives.
1:23:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, and that is definitely true. Cause I drove it from, for, for the video before we did the service and drove fine, but I was a little, I was, the clutch wasn't what I would want. And now it's like butter smooth, perfect. And, and that was part of what we did.
1:24:08 Speaker 03 So cool.
1:24:09 Doug DeMuro? And at the time, we didn't know that it needed a top end rebuild, which honestly, it drove completely fine.
1:24:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:15 Doug DeMuro? So think about that when you're buying somebody else's NSX that hasn't had a top end rebuild.
1:24:20 Speaker 03 Go read through the auctions, cool stuff.
1:24:21 Doug DeMuro? That's really cool. I can't wait for it. I, we've, this is not the first time an ultra-high mileage, one-owner NSX has come through the site. I was happy for it to find a new home.
1:24:29 Speaker 03 But, I want to make, we've sold another, a couple other really high mileage.
1:24:34 Doug DeMuro? 200,000?
1:24:34 Speaker 03 234,000 miles, 207,000 miles, 200,000 miles. This has 320.
1:24:40 Doug DeMuro? They can, yeah, it's another 100. Windmill dunk.
1:24:42 Speaker 03 It's crazy.
1:24:42 Doug DeMuro? But it's like when you say the temperature, there's somebody else, somewhere else, "Oh, I've got one with 430,000." "I never had to rebuild the top end."
1:24:53 Speaker 03 The first order of the car.
1:24:54 Doug DeMuro? It's colder somewhere else.
1:24:55 Speaker 03 Emailing back and forth with him, just to kind of keep him updated on.
1:24:57 Doug DeMuro? Really? You've been talking to the guy who owned it?
1:24:59 Speaker 03 Yeah. Uh, he was very displeased that it needed a top end, because all of the differentiation that he had from his shops was that like, it was perfectly fine, he'd done a compression test, and he was like.
1:25:06 Doug DeMuro? Well, I wonder.
1:25:07 Speaker 03 Like actively upset about it.
1:25:09 Doug DeMuro? But it, the compression was okay, wasn't it? My, my guess is, we probably, it probably, just based on how it drove and how it sounded, we probably could have gone a while before it needed it.
1:25:17 Speaker 03 I know, but it's nice to have it done.
1:25:19 Doug DeMuro? We're auctioning this car, we want to make it nice. And, and we don't, we're not even advertising the cobblestone floor mats, which honestly, we could throw in. Uh, okay, that's the end of the pod.
1:25:29 Speaker 03 The end of the pod.
1:25:29 Doug DeMuro? Best, honestly, one of the best pods we've ever done, except that it was, got a little off the rails a lot of the time, and I'm sorry for that. Goodbye, everyone.
1:25:37 Speaker 03 Goodbye.
1:25:37 Doug DeMuro? Goodbye.
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