#66 Michael Herrera - US Marine Encounters UFO Black Ops Human Trafficking Operation | Part 1

We're giving whistleblowers a platform and a voice this week on SRS. Former Marine Michael Herrera tells all in part one of this three part series. Herrera and his team were tasked with responding to a major earthquake and tsunami in Indonesia providing overwatch and logistical support. Little did they know–they would come face to face with a UAP / UFO and be ambushed by an unmarked shadow unit of operators. Tune in this week to hear Herrera's story and how he is testifying to Congress to illuminate the hidden truth. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://moinkbox.com/srs https://bubsnaturals.com - USE CODE "SHAWN" Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Content Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the UFO Whistleblower Marathon. This is a three-part series. Each one of these three men have testified under oath in front of Congress. Our first guest is Michael Herrera, who witnessed a human trafficking operation in Indonesia where UFOs were involved. If you like what you see, please like, comment, and subscribe to the channel. Leave us a review on both Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And for those of you that are content creators, we've seen you taking our episodes and making your own content out of it, and we love it. In fact, we made it super easy on you. Go in the description. There's a file down there.

• 1:43Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:05Shawn Ryan?

  Michael Herrera.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Sean.

• 2:07Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome to the show, man.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me here, brother.

• 2:09Shawn Ryan?

  It's an honor.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  No, no, the honor is mine, dude. Like, seriously, there are so many people that are pivotal in this environment, I should say, that you've placed in this chair that have made other people uncomfortable with what they've talked about. A lot of people who understand not all is what it appears. So hopefully I get to add to that and share with the rest of the world, at least in the sense of what you're doing, because like I told you, I'm not talking to media about this.

• 2:36Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I appreciate it, brother.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Well, you're all about the truth these days, just as much as I am, and it's ridiculous how much is being concealed for a narrative, and frankly, I'm disgusted with it.

• 2:47Shawn Ryan?

  I am too. You know, we try to do a number of things here, and the things that I really, I try to do is document history from our military heroes, because nobody else is doing it. Bring truth, uncover corruption, and bring hope. We bring a lot of hope, you know, a lot of guys that are struggling, and women, you know what I mean, that are struggling, and overcoming all that trauma. That's what we try to do here, but and with you, we're bringing truth.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yes, we are.

• 3:18Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  And out of that, I want to bring hope too, you know. It's not just with what I'm dealing with amongst the other people here that, you know, have amazing stories too. As much as it sounds outlandish, and don't get me wrong, I think, you know, I can agree to that, at least without side perspective. Because my, before my event, I was actually very skeptical on it. I'm like, oh, that doesn't exist. ETs don't exist, aliens don't exist, it's only out of movies and stuff, and it scared the shit out of me when I was a kid, you know, some of those movies. But then this event changed my life in that degree because it confirmed a lot that day.

• 3:53Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, confirmed multiple facets, not just with, you know, the technology aspect of it, but just the level of corruption and how deep this thing goes, you know, and Needless to say, it's something that was a catalyst for other things to at least kind of change my life to start not looking into it directly, but just try to go deeper. What actually makes things happen.

• 4:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  You know, so.

• 4:18Shawn Ryan?

  Let me give you a quick introduction here.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, go for it.

• 4:21Shawn Ryan?

  So, Michael Herrera, you were in Indonesia in 2009. You had a UAP slash UFO encounter. You're a US Marine, 2nd Battalion, 5th Marines.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:33Shawn Ryan?

  And you were at Operation Ketsana, correct?

• 4:37Speaker 03

  Yes, and Ketsana was in the Philippines. And that's, we didn't participate in anything that, we actually got routed to go to Indonesia in that take. We're the only ship. So, a lot of people are getting confused with that. The rest of the 7th Fleet stayed there, and we were the only element to actually go to Indonesia, far western side of Sumatra.

• 4:55Shawn Ryan?

  We'll get into all that.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:57Shawn Ryan?

  Before we do, everybody that comes on the show gets a gift.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Uh oh.

• 5:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, yep. Any guesses?

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Uh, as long as it's not an explosive device, I think we'll be fine.

• 5:07Shawn Ryan?

  You better listen, make sure it's not ticking.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Oh. Well, it's not ticking. Let's see what we got here.

• 5:14Shawn Ryan?

  So, uh, ooh. Vigilance Elite Gummy Bears.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Gummy Bears. I got some stickers, man. Nobody else has these stickers, by the way, too.

• 5:22Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody else does. But, uh.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 5:25Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know. Fortunately or unfortunately for you, I'm not sure which, those are legal in all 50 states, so you don't have to worry about getting them through the airport security or anything. But you live in Colorado, so.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  Hey, they got a little bit relaxed loss of that. Sean, thank you for the gift, brother.

• 5:40Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome, man.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Appreciate it.

• 5:42Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, so we connected through Dr. Greer.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 5:45Shawn Ryan?

  At his conference in DC, he brought in a handful of whistleblowers. You were one of them.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:51Shawn Ryan?

  Greer came on the show. He wanted a military audience, and I believe, to get whistleblowers after the new law got passed where there was protection for people to come out.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  And it's funny you say that because, um, 2017, Dr. Greer actually came to Colorado. Um, he was hosting an event in Boulder, kind of doing some disclosure, kind of talking about some of the technology with ATs, you know, um, UAPs, and just reversions and other stuff, just kind of go like the, the whole grand scheme of things. It was like a several hour presentation. And I had my ex there at the time and I kind of hinted her that I needed to talk about some things with him. So he was doing a book signing. So I go over to his table, I snag a book and I'm like, hey, can you sign this? And I was like, by the way, there's some things I need to talk to you about. And he kind of looked at me weird and I said, it's very serious. So he handed me his card and he says, don't ever relay this information out

• 6:43Speaker 03

  to anybody. And me knowing with what I knew at the time, you know, which obviously there was some stuff that wouldn't work until they recently passed here last year, two days either before or after Christmas when they put this law, which I think is the only good thing the administration's done so far, to be realistically speaking. I don't care if that makes people uncomfortable to know, but it's helped me out among other people. It might be the only good thing he's ever done. Um, fast forward to your show. You had him on the first time and my fiance and me were watching it and that's when he started relaying the information and started talking about the law that was being passed. And that's when I decided to reach out to him and he knew exactly who I was, which was great. It was like having to talk to a friend for a while and obviously to call him out of the

• 7:26Speaker 03

  blue and it's just like, everything just resumes back to normal. So, um, I expressed to him, told him my story, my encounter with this and what happened. So then we arranged everything to go, at least to go talk with the Senate Intelligence Committee, Congress, Senate, Pentagon, all that fun stuff. And it was a journey. It was definitely something that opened my eyes to a lot more because here I'm thinking my event was something that was more specific. But come to find out, I'm just a cog in a wheel with this whole big thing because there's other facets that I'm also confirming these guys' stories too, to a degree. The corruption, um, secret organizations that have some pull in this and obviously some of the nasty stuff that they're doing. And, um, there's other people

• 8:10Speaker 03

  down the road who are going to corroborate what I'm talking about too. I don't know who they are. Maybe some of the Marines that I, uh, I encountered this with too. So I'm hoping that that's what's at least if the message gets put out there from the show, I'm hoping that that's what it does. They can get people to actually do something about it and not be afraid of it like I was. It was 14 years.

• 8:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 03

  A lot of, a lot of weight to carry. Try to sweep it under, but the more you try to do that, whatever you resist persists. That's always a golden rule.

• 8:36Shawn Ryan?

  That's a good point. That's a damn good point. So just a quick synopsis here. You responded to a 7.6 magnitude earthquake and a tsunami hit in western Indonesia. Only your crew was routed to that location to provide support. Indonesia has a large terrorist population. Marine crew was armed and tasked to provide security along with medical equipment and food supplies.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 9:03Shawn Ryan?

  But it was just your unit?

• 9:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:05Shawn Ryan?

  Which, there was five of you, correct?

• 9:06Speaker 03

  Yes, there was. And so they ended up choosing the Marines out of my unit, at least in the company, to go out. So it's not like every single Marine in the company was able to do this. They just handpicked people to go on these sticks of six Marines. So originally it was supposed to be more of like a deterrence, but also overwatch protection so that way these helos can drop the supplies, the logistics groups that were a part of it can then render aid or whatever it is to the local population there.

• 9:31Shawn Ryan?

  Was it volunteer or were you hand-selected?

• 9:33Speaker 03

  Hand-selected.

• 9:34Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Or voluntold, I should say.

• 9:36Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Voluntold. Good way to put it.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:40Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm just curious, you know, what, what are you hoping to accomplish by coming out?

• 9:46Speaker 03

  I want other people who have witnessed similar things or are part of certain things that are very controversial but end up being true, to come out and understand that what's going on is not acceptable. And it, this is just a facet of corruption. It may not be the political corruption that's coming out now that people are witnessing with their own eyes. People call them conspiracy theories. What I'm hoping to achieve is to get other people on board to understand that the government supports what we're doing because they were in the dark about this too. And now they're coming out and they're actually putting the hammer down. Recent bills have been passing as far as legislation through the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying that these corporations have to give the goods here in six months or else there's going to be some consequences they're going to face either

• 10:31Speaker 03

  through the judicial system, which obviously the government's got a lot of weight with that. The other aspect of it too is that they're going to ban these companies from doing contracting work for the government, which means they're going to lose billions of dollars. They're going to go broke.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  So I'm hoping that they actually comply with this measure because one, this technology is going to help benefit humanity as a whole, not in a militaristic sense, because that's just foolish. It's more to help out humanity because now everybody's going to be on the same level technology-wise. I think the common ground here and the narrative with that is you're hearing people come out, at least in the mainstream media is trying to talk about ETs being able. My event had nothing to do with ETs. And there's some misconstrued concepts they're going about. The technology may have came from ETs at one point, and that's what we witnessed. But we witnessed much more of a sinister plot with this, that they're using it. For people who don't know, 2009 during this operation, that's why we're responding, obviously

• 11:27Speaker 03

  with the humanitarian nature of this, because 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, that's mainly what the expertise is, at least as far as Marines go. It's not really combat operations for the most part, even though Indonesia, among other parts in that world, are large networks for terrorist insurgents. So having that expertise of going in, try to help people, I think is also good to us because it teaches you the balance of instead of being a warfighter, you actually get to help people instead of, you know, launching bullets at people. You're still helping people in a different cause. You still get to be heroes for people, which is great. So totally incidental as far as our encounter, when we went onto the slug, because we had our LZ, it was a hasty LZ, and they're dropping supplies, they have, you know, a bunch of

• 12:12Speaker 03

  stuff, and it's other helos too. They're just kind of forming a perimeter on the city, dropping Marines here, you could provide overwatch. Now, the only thing that's unsettling with this is the fact that they never gave us any comms. You know as well as I do how risky that is. You didn't have any comms? We didn't have any comms. So the Marine that was with me, that was a higher rank than me, was very pissed off about it, because he was a Fallujah Marine, you know, so he went through a lot of shit. And one of those things, I remember him kept telling me, he's like, If everything ends up going to shit, and you look at me and if I'm fine, it means that you're gonna be fine. And I remember him telling us all that in the stick, you know, and he's a good Marine, he's a very outstanding guy. Learned a lot from him during my time in.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  And I thought about that concept, but then he started picking things apart too. He wasn't very comfortable with that. But luckily, the thing was is that we were still relatively, you know, close enough to the LZ. Because when the bird was supposed to land, because obviously, they were coming in, dropping the supplies, and they'd bank off. The last one that would come down would land, that's when we'd basically run to the helo 300 meters, you're in good shape, and you have an average combat load, you know, 120 rounds, so to speak, with an M16A4 and a Camelback. Not really much, you know, so you can make that trek relatively quick. But they also have security on those birds too. With the flight crew, with the gunners on the sides, they had 50s on them. So if there is some opposition, they're gonna meet with those on top of us engaging them. So, we were positioned near the slope.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  You know, it wasn't like a steep grade or anything, but it was enough to obscure what was going on on the other side that we had no idea what was going on. So we got, you know, naturally, you wanna take the high ground, so you have observation of everything. And this is when we came across this operation. And it was something that stuck out like a sore thumb, because here you have terrain that is a jungle terrain, very green vegetation, things like that. And then you have something that's sticking out right in the middle of an opening. And it looks very odd. It's something that's, you know, I'll remember to the rest of my life, to the day that I leave this earth, I'm gonna remember seeing that. And it's just imprisoned up here. I had a camera with me, it was a Panasonic cheap camera, you know, it had kinda like, you know, ancient compared to what you got set up in the studio, you know.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  But it was enough, at least, because it was part of stuff that I would, I've never did a humanitarian assistance before. So I was taking videos of them dropping stuff off, things like that, until we trekked up to this point. Was taking some pictures, because it's a place you would never really ever go to. At least the real part of Indonesia. It's not like Bali or Surabaya, where it's like touristy stuff.

• 14:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  You know, this is where it's actual culture people, you're actually seeing reality here. So it's stuff that I kinda wanted to document and just say, you know, I was a part of this, I can look back and say, you know, oh, I remember that. But then, turning, looking north past that slope, and seeing that down, and I took some video and some pictures of that. And I had, you know, I stuck it in my dump pouch, you know, I was a saw gunner naturally, you know, so I had an M249, that was my favorite weapon. I liked having a belt fed machine gun, as much as a pain in the ass, I liked having that compared to an M16 or M4. So because we're in a humanitarian, all they did was give us a M16A4s, you know, they had RCOs at that time, they weren't the ACOGs, they had the mills on the sides for windage and stuff like that,

• 15:29Speaker 03

  as well as the PEC15s, you know, so if we were doing any kind of night range or night operation, we'd have those with our PVS14s. So it's just a very basic loadout that we were, we were doing, you know, nothing really crazy. And when we saw this happen, saw this, and I want to say unidentified, because right now it's identified, everybody knows what they are now. They're either manmade or they're not. And if they're not, the government's coming out and telling people, admitting it, not directly, but they're still admitting it to a degree that it exists, because why would they spend time with this legislation coming out? That's, that's a good point. Why would they do that? If it doesn't exist, why were they going through these measures to basically hold a gun up to these guys' heads and say, you better relinquish

• 16:10Speaker 03

  this technology or else? They're not just doing, knowing and seeing this unfold, even being in this position of having to brief the Senate Intelligence, among the Special Intelligence Service too, which oversees the letter agencies, because they have no idea what's going on either. But the fact that all of us coming together and making this loud amount of noise to get something done about it, is just astounding. And now they're finally, for the first time in history, they're going through with this and actually trying to do something about it for their own understanding, but also know the corruption that's, comes from this. Yeah. It's multiple different facets. I mean, you guys already, all five of you, right, already testified in front of Congress? So we testified to people at the Senate Intelligence Committee, which were there's some congresspeople there, as well as some senators. So in front of the Intelligence Committee by the Senate?

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you know, yeah. And you know as well as I do, in any kind of setting like that, whether you're in a SCIF, it's all under oath still, because that's, they're signing, having you sign NDAs and things like that. So you're expected to be truthful with this. Mm-hmm. And seeing the reaction. It's a big deal. It is a very big deal. It was nerve wracking at first, because I'm not used to talking to government officials and that nature. And having the support that they've been giving me as well as a protection is just something that I'm very thankful for. I'm very thankful that they all have open minds of this subject, even though they're, you know, for years, there's been a stigma to it. For years, there's been a giggle effect because of little green men and flying saucers and all that. I myself never thought to this day that I'd ever see anything like this. So going back to the event, we decided to get in the tactical column and approach this,

• 17:40Speaker 03

  right? And we got down the slope and it's just like a clearing and just has this big opening. It's almost a little bit more than the football field because this craft took up majority of that.

• 17:49Shawn Ryan?

  So let's just back up for a minute. Let's, let's describe the setting because at first you said there were helos going, doing racetracks around. Is this the same opening that you described earlier that you were watching helos drop supplies in?

• 18:01Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. So where this was happening was southwest, at least where the helo insertion points were with the LZs that they were setting up. And they were flying very low in consideration, in consideration, right? So, and the reason why I know this is because I asked the pilots after this because I was on the officer's mess and I knew their call signs and I approached them and then asked them very respectfully if they noticed anything strange. None of them said anything.

• 18:23Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  So I was trying to see if they could get a view of a top side because this is just something that's crazy, right?

• 18:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  So also their call signs all stuck out too, you know, because pilots like to do crazy stuff with their call signs. So it was very easy to track them down. But having this happen in the north part of the slope and it goes down and obviously, you know, the way it was transitioning colors, which was kind of the way that it appealed because it was transitioning for a light matte black or no, sorry, a light matte gray to a dark matte black and just kind of ranging in between, right?

• 18:54Shawn Ryan?

  Let's, let's, let's, let's rewind a little bit before we get into the description.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:59Shawn Ryan?

  How far, so what was the activity with all the other helicopters? Were they active at the time that you saw the?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Honestly, when we started going down there, no. And I don't know because obviously we're occupied with this.

• 19:12Shawn Ryan?

  How far do you think it was?

• 19:14Speaker 03

  So from us, from the LZ where we were at was 300 meters roughly. Okay. And plus the slope that was concealing plus vegetation. Down the slope, it was like 300, 400 meters, maybe. So we got close. We trucked down quite a bit.

• 19:27Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  About 150 meters outside, 150, 200, right? Halfway.

• 19:30Shawn Ryan?

  So maybe about a click away?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Possibly, yeah. The craft itself might've been a click up.

• 19:36Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  And as I said, the reason why I know how big this thing was because

• 19:42Shawn Ryan?

  Did you see it as you crested the

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:45Shawn Ryan?

  The hill?

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yes, I did. And that's so that's where I took videos and pictures of this thing.

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• 20:50Speaker 03

  That's how I was able to see it because, you know, taking pictures of the chaos going behind and everything, you see in the rubble, burning buildings, flooding and all that kind of stuff. And then you turn around and I'm like

• 21:01Shawn Ryan?

  So you, you, you crest this hill?

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:04Shawn Ryan?

  You look down into, into the valley?

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:08Shawn Ryan?

  And there's a clearing?

• 21:09Speaker 03

  There's a clearing.

• 21:09Shawn Ryan?

  With a UAP?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:11Shawn Ryan?

  Just sitting there?

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Sitting there, rotating clockwise, yep. And that's in transition, this color spectrum, I was telling you too. And that's why it's kind of, it's something that stuck out. It's not a building, you know? It's not something that you're used to seeing. Maybe topside, it could have looked like a building or something that, you know? I don't know. I'm not, I don't have that perspective. I wasn't a pilot or anything, but I can tell you from our point of view, it's something that just, it looked very unnatural and abnormal. And that's what got our curiosity to go investigate this. Now, normally because we, we would have had comms, you're damn right, we'd have called it in. Report something suspicious, maybe get some eyes on a helo, get a hold of their call signs and try to do them fly around and they never did. And obviously, we didn't have comms to do it, but they were more occupied with what was going on behind us.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  So when we tracked down and got around 150 to 200 meters from it, you know, and this is an opening, by the way, there's no tactical advantage being in this situation because you don't have cover. It's jungle. You have concealment, but this kind of concealment with vegetation is not bulletproof.

• 22:13Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  So when we trekked up close, and we were a tac comms, so obviously you have points here, right, each Marine, so you have visuals of the sides, somebody has point and somebody has the rear. And all of a sudden, we're involved by this military force of, I still to this day don't know who they are.

• 22:29Shawn Ryan?

  How close did you get?

• 22:30Speaker 03

  To the craft?

• 22:31Shawn Ryan?

  To the craft.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Roughly 200 meters, 150, 200.

• 22:35Shawn Ryan?

  Did you get to the bottom of the hill?

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:37Shawn Ryan?

  So you could see, so you saw the top of it and then you could see underneath of it?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  And underneath of it had this platform that was on the ground that was separate from this craft hovering. And it was, it was very weird to see and I was like, okay, I don't know if that's kind of like a cement pad or something. I don't know if it was like a helo pad or anything like that at first, but then started seeing how the material would kind of look very similar to what the craft was, it's like, well, that's separate. So you have something that's on the ground, stationary, and then you have something that's up top and it's just rotating in a clockwise position. So right when we got close to it, at least, you know, 150, 200 meters out, then all of a sudden, we were engaged, at least not in a hostile manner, at least, you know, not gunfire firefight or anything like that. But the way that these guys moved was so fluid, it was so still, it was very, very, very smooth.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  And it kind of indicated to me, after thinking about it for several years, is that these guys have done it for a while because of how smooth this operation was. So when we were in a tactical column going towards the center of this thing. They actually came from the flanks, but it was more of a diagonal, like a corner of the room, so to speak, right? For them, at a tactical advantage, they have interlocking fields of fire on every single person, and they had a team of eight, right? And the gear that they had was black OTV vests, they had black camouflage utilities.

• 23:53Shawn Ryan?

  So what you're saying is, there was, there would have been no Mex- they were professionals. There would have been no Mexican standoff where if they fired, they're shooting into their other squad. They had, they had perfect angles.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  Yes, they did.

• 24:05Shawn Ryan?

  To where both sides could engage you.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  Yes. Team of four, team of four, so it was like a fireteam element.

• 24:09Shawn Ryan?

  Without worrying about a blue on blue situation.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 24:13Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  So, you know, with that being said, because as they, as they approached us, you hear the safeties flip off. Now, your attention to detail, when you're seeing this kind of stuff, your sensors are very heightened, so you can pick up, I know you being a combat veteran, you know all about that. Your heightened sense of awareness is going through astronomical changes.

• 24:34Shawn Ryan?

  Hypervigilant.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Yes. So you can hear stuff a lot clearer. And that's where you kind of picked up the hum that this object was doing along with these guys flipping their safeties off, especially M4s, you know, it's very distinct sound. Anybody in this room who's held M4s and has shot them, M16s, things like that, it's very distinct sound to flipping it off. So, we kind of knew, and they started yelling at us, you know, they were like, you know, you're not supposed to fucking be here, what the fuck are you guys doing here, who the fuck are you with, you know? So they knew, they were using the kind of lingo that we were used to, especially in the military. So it made me think that at some point, these guys actually were uniformed military at one point.

• 25:11Shawn Ryan?

  Any accents?

• 25:12Speaker 03

  Uh, not accents, it was just like American dialects, how you and I were talking. Uh, very, you know, at one point, they said they were gonna smoke us, they could throw us out of a helicopter, they could, it's very easy to get lost in the jungle out here, you know, they kept saying stuff like that. So after they enveloped us, they all pretty much got in line, they told us to put our weapons, so we all got in line as well, and we had our hands up, we had our weapons slung. And, um, they're having two guys watch while there's a guy basically taking our magazines out of our vest. And they're throwing them on a deck and they're kicking them away so we don't have time to react. They also, at the same time, the first thing they did was obviously take our weapon and clear it. But they took the magazine out and they actually held it in a way to where they could pull a charging handle and collect the round and have it

• 25:55Speaker 03

  not hit the deck. So they, the way that these guys operated was very smooth. It's very calculated, very precise. You could tell they've done this a lot, that they rehearsed it a lot. You know, especially combat operations, you're doing terrain model rehearsals, you're doing rehearsals, whether you're clearing rooms, trying to figure all that kind of stuff out. These guys kind of did the same thing, I'm assuming, because of how smooth it was. And because you know as well as I do, you get, you know, you have new guys that join a unit and they're not that fresh. You know, they're very choppy because of the basic understanding. You've either had to stack up and do room clearing. And the guys that have done it and been through combat deployments and all that, they're very kind of methodical, very smooth because they know what to expect. These new guys, it's not the same thing. You could tell these guys were seasoned. So, as they did that,

• 26:38Speaker 03

  they actually, each Marine had two guys on them, plus one that was taking the stuff off of them. They actually knew where our military IDs were because in Marine Corps Order, you have to have them in your left breast pocket.

• 26:49Shawn Ryan?

  So there were 15 of these guys, three on each Marine?

• 26:52Speaker 03

  No, no. So they had other guys right here and they had three that were just going through each Marine. While other people were holding each Marine at gunpoint. And they're not like, they're not like super close to us range wise with, you know, because if you get a muzzle close, I mean, it's easy to grab it and, you know, kind of fend off, especially with a rifle. But these guys were off at a standoff distance that even if you tried to move, they could, they could smoke you.

• 27:14Shawn Ryan?

  One search team of three guys?

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:17Shawn Ryan?

  And then the rest of the squad was aimed in on us?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:21Shawn Ryan?

  Hold, okay.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, and again, you know, they're not anywhere where they could actually, there was people behind us because obviously if they had to engage, they're gonna hit one of their own guys probably. So it was more like they were kind of moving the same way through all of us, all six of us, taking our stuff. Taking pictures of our military IDs, you know. So they had like these devices that kind of looked like a very thin, it looked like a smartphone, modern day right now, because in 2009, it wasn't the case. I think the most high-tech thing they had at that time were maybe BlackBerries, but they're bulky at that point with the ball. And then they had their flip phone razors and things like that. But these look like something you'd see today. And they were taking pictures of military IDs and they had something, some other device that was like a, uh, remind me of a BAT system. I don't know if you're familiar with that.

• 28:07Shawn Ryan?

  Describe it.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  It's like a biometrics tracking system. So what it does is when you come across with an insurgent, you can take pictures of their face, their retinas, fingerprints. Something like that, but they were trying to have a, they were trying to scan our IDs with this thing and it wasn't working. So they're kind of getting frustrated with it. So as this is going on.

• 28:25Shawn Ryan?

  Did they collect biometrics from you?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:27Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  No. Which I mean, they took pictures of us, but that may be enough. And then they took our IDs, you know, because some people I talked to that are in the special operations community with that, they said, yeah, we have the ability to scan IDs and it tells us everything about you. Military IDs, driver license, things like that. So it's very high speed stuff. I mean, and considering this was in 2009 compared to now, I mean, of course, they had this thing that they were using to load up stuff. It's very advanced physics, you know, something hovering off the ground, not making any sound, but an audible hum, like a guitar amp or something that's like a transformer.

• 29:00Shawn Ryan?

  So it wasn't like, it didn't sound like a jet?

• 29:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 29:03Shawn Ryan?

  Didn't sound like a helicopter?

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Hell no.

• 29:05Shawn Ryan?

  There was no engine noise?

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 29:07Shawn Ryan?

  Just a hum?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Just an audible hum. Very, it's very creepy to see because it's not normal.

• 29:13Shawn Ryan?

  Was it like a bassy hum?

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yep. Like a guitar. Like if you were to unplug it, I mean, it wasn't the same pitch, but it was like the same, same kind of sound, same kind of noise that emitted. And, um, so as they're searching us, we're watching this thing happen. And that's when we started seeing trucks come from our left and go onto this platform. And they were up armored three 50s. I know exactly what three 50s are. They were kind of beefier trucks. They were matte black. When they were coming at us and they go left. And I was glancing between what was going on in front of us with these guys. And then all of a sudden glancing over to what was going on behind them. And that's when I started seeing the key details of this thing. Like it had like a scale pattern on it, kind of like an octagonal, because it was crafted itself as like an octagonal shape where you could see points, had a pyramid structure on top that was black. And you can see the

• 29:58Speaker 03

  shadowing of it as it rotated, but it was rotating very slow. And then every, it had like these vents on every single corner on the middle part of these plat, on this, uh, the panels anyway, that was like a vanta black. It was like a dark black that would like absorb light. Very weird.

• 30:14Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean by that? A dark black that would absorb light?

• 30:18Speaker 03

  So if you're ever familiar with the BMW, they painted Vanta black. It was like a very super dark black. It's not like a reflective material at all.

• 30:25Shawn Ryan?

  A matte black?

• 30:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, but very, very, very, even darker than matte black.

• 30:28Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Like you can shine a light at it and it won't even illuminate.

• 30:31Shawn Ryan?

  Like the Batmobile?

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Kind of, something like that. But even, it was like very dark. So what I can describe was like the Vanta black.

• 30:38Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  And, um, so as-

• 30:42Shawn Ryan?

  When you mean absorb light, you're saying if I shine a laser on it, you probably, you might not even see the laser or it would be very dull?

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 30:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Something like that. So we're watching these vehicles, right? These trucks. Now, the thing I would say on the front of them, because you know Humvees the military has, they have the IR lights on the front near the headlights that you can drive at nighttime with your knots. So they had the same thing because they had the same kind of slits that had the IR lights. But they had weapon cases in the back of each truck bed. And, you know, you could store like a couple hundred weapons, maybe a hundred weapons, maybe a platoon, a company size element. And it was the same Pelican cases that we would use to store stuff when they were transporting, you know? So very big cases on two of them in each truck bed. And then they had a shipping container thing. I mean, it looked like a shipping container, but smaller and half the size.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  And the thing that was different about this is they had a cylinder on the front of it that was towards the truck. It was like parallel to the ground, just a cylinder right on the top of this thing. And for years I thought, okay, you know, like it's gotta be Austrian supplier or like a vacuum sealing thing that you would, you know, because obviously I'm thinking it's drugs. I was like, okay, so it's a very advanced way to do that, just years of thinking of this. And come to find out, when I gave my speech in DC on that Saturday for the Disclosure Project with Dr. Greer, he's got a lot of people coming out of the woodwork, by the way, and this gentleman, I'm not going to give any detail, I know a little bit about him, but he works in some of these projects that are very, some very controversial facilities.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  He's aware of what was going on. After I gave my presentation of this-

• 32:25Speaker 03

  He confirmed, he says, no, he's like, I don't want to leave Michael hanging out there, but I was not expecting to come and talk to you about this. And he went explaining what the operations do, why they do it, and what they were using them for. And he says, there's not drugs that they're putting in these shipping containers. Says it's humans.

• 32:40Shawn Ryan?

  Human trafficking.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Yes. His own words. And, you know, of course. And he also wants to come forward, at least with him and 30 other people that are involved with that part of the work. But it was very disheartening to actually get that information relayed to me. Because here, I'm thinking for years, it's drugs and it's a much sinister thing. But it makes sense because they use natural disasters of people are going to be missing anyway.

• 33:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  To scoop up people.

• 33:07Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I just, I've been covering human trafficking this year.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:11Shawn Ryan?

  And that's, you know, a lot of the human trafficking comes from third world countries in distress. You're in a third world area.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 33:21Shawn Ryan?

  In distress, right after a hurt, right after an earthquake will be, I mean, it's prime.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:27Shawn Ryan?

  Prime time to do a human trafficking operation.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:31Shawn Ryan?

  How big were the containers?

• 33:32Speaker 03

  I would say probably eight feet and 10 feet, eight feet tall, 10 feet within.

• 33:37Shawn Ryan?

  So like, maybe half a Connex box?

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, about that.

• 33:40Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  And they were kind of like on the trailer that was underneath, was kind of like a regular Humbrey trailer that you would see, kind of pull stuff, something like that.

• 33:48Shawn Ryan?

  How were they being lifted into the craft?

• 33:51Speaker 03

  So they were driving onto this platform that was angled, that's where they hit. And it just raised up and they were just driving on this ramp.

• 33:57Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, the truck would go up?

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the whole thing was a ramp.

• 34:01Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Like a circular ramp. And, I mean, obviously, I can't see what's on the, excuse me, the other side of it. But I'm assuming because it's a circular pattern, that it's going to be the same on the other side. Because they would drive onto this platform, and at that point, I saw all the doors open. Four guys would come out. And then I'd, going back to what we're facing here, with these guys searching our stuff, asking us questions, taking our IDs, trying to intimidate the crap out of us. And, so I can see the guys come out of the truck. And that was making me think too, like at a tactical advantage, we didn't have that. There's only six of us, basically trained infantry Marines. And there's these guys here that are, you know, doing this operation and very skilled, very

• 34:45Speaker 03

  methodical, very calculated, very precise. And if there's eight of them, and now all of a sudden, every single truck has four of these guys. I know that it's not just these guys that are running the perimeter. They could have been forty or, you know, thirty or forty people.

• 34:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Could have been platoon sized element. And the fact that we have no conceal, barely have any concealment, because if we were to run and bank off the sides here to go to our flanks, they could just engage us. There's nothing to hide behind.

• 35:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Vegetation ain't gonna stop bullets, you know, but so there's a lot of questions I have too, because it's, you know, obviously if we would have engaged them, then the whole rest of the force behind us would know about it because they'd have heard the commotion.

• 35:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yep. How many containers do you estimate were put under the craft?

• 35:31Speaker 03

  Four, because I saw four trucks.

• 35:33Shawn Ryan?

  Four containers?

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. And there could have been more, but at that point where we saw, we could have, you know, because we stumbled onto this thing, we ruined their, their operations, so to speak, because we weren't allowed to see that.

• 35:43Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about the craft.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 35:45Shawn Ryan?

  How big was it?

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Three hundred feet is what I'm estimating, about a football field. And the reason why I say this is because we flew on a CH-53 Super Stallions. I'm sure you're familiar with those, your time as a SEAL. They're roughly a hundred feet, all right? So from nose to tail, if you lined up three of them, it'd fit three of them under this craft. Because I can see, you know, especially the operation behind us, you kind of see them off in the distance. So you try to gauge, you know, as a Marine, you're always trying to judge distance, you know what I mean? Because if you're having to engage, but lo and behold, we end up having a surprise right here happen with these guys. But that's how I knew it was around three hundred feet.

• 36:18Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, good. That's a, that's a, and it was circular?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Circular, it's like an octagon, because it had like corners on it that was like an octagon shape, but still circular.

• 36:27Shawn Ryan?

  Could you see, was it one smooth piece of metal?

• 36:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 36:31Shawn Ryan?

  Was it panels?

• 36:32Speaker 03

  Panels. Yep.

• 36:35Shawn Ryan?

  How were they?

• 36:37Shawn Ryan?

  How, just describe more, were there windows?

• 36:40Speaker 03

  There were not windows, nothing I could see like that. It just had that vanta black vent looking things on each corner is all I saw with that. And it had like a octagonal scale pattern that went through it. It honestly reminded me kind of like a design for an F-22 Raptor. You know, like the top of it kind of looks like that. That's what it kind of reminded me of with it because it would transition those colors.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  So I suspect, you know, I've had people I've talked to about this to say, well, you know, Lockheed Martin has reverse engineered stuff that's circular. Raytheon, they have triangular craft. And he said it might have been Lockheed because Lockheed also made the F-22.

• 37:14Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  Similar design concept. Now that I think about it, right? Because at this time, you're not really thinking about it. You're like, I got the, I'm more concerned with these guys than who the hell they are.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  So after we witnessed the last truck going on there, and we're still dealing with that, I got searched already, of course, and I'm just paying attention to what's going on and making sure my guys are good too.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  And all of a sudden, the trucks, we never saw them again. They were not on that platform. There was like boxes and stuff that were on that platform. And so I'm assuming they either drove off on the other side or disappeared. Or where they went, I don't know. But all of a sudden, we noticed that this platform raises off the ground by itself. It doesn't make any noise, by the way, it doesn't disturb anything.

• 37:55Shawn Ryan?

  Before it started gaining elevation,

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:59Shawn Ryan?

  how high off the ground was this?

• 38:02Speaker 03

  The actual craft?

• 38:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  I would say probably 20 feet.

• 38:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, good distance. And the platform rose up, but I would say like the platform was up several feet, right? Probably maybe five, six feet. Because it was, you know, from the distance, probably about a half an inch.

• 38:18Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I'm just envisioning, I'm envisioning a, the way you're describing this, I'm envisioning an octagon,

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 38:26Shawn Ryan?

  rotating clockwise with a drop ramp similar to maybe something you would see on the back of a C-130, C-17, but circular.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  But circular and separate. There's no cables, there's no...

• 38:40Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:41Shawn Ryan?

  Was the ramp attached to the craft?

• 38:43Speaker 03

  No.

• 38:45Shawn Ryan?

  So there was just an opening?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  There was just an opening, like the bottom part of the craft, I was what I'm assuming because that's where I saw it lift up and go into. It was like the bottom part, it was like the floor itself was like the platform and they were just rolled up, right? But at the same time, the the top part leveled a little bit and went down to meet with this. And as that happened, you start to see it rise up past the tree line. It's not like a super fast and just rapid, it's just like kind of slow. As that's going on, the rotation has not changed, the audible hum has not changed.

• 39:18Shawn Ryan?

  It sounded like somebody hit the gas and you hear a different noise.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  No, just constant.

• 39:24Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Each point on that octagonal shape started to illuminate colors. Like it was just one color per point. It was red, it was green, it was yellow and it was blue. Those are the only colors I saw and it was rotating, right? Soon as it got to the top of the tree line, like cleared the trees, this thing shot off to the left and to the left was the ocean, by the way. This is going west.

• 39:49Shawn Ryan?

  How far to the left was the ocean?

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Um, probably a good mile and a half, maybe.

• 39:54Shawn Ryan?

  That's it?

• 39:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:55Shawn Ryan?

  So you're right on the coastline, okay.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Probably, I would say maybe, it could be a mile and a half to three miles, I'd estimate, because I'm, I mean, that's just estimation, I don't really know. Because it took us a little bit when we landed into the, uh, near Padang City. Because we landed at airstrip and then we took like a several minute flight going from southwest to like northeast part, roughly.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  So I'd say probably a couple of miles to kind of estimate. And like I said, it then changed pitches of noise or anything and it just completely shot off. I mean, it was just like a blur that went left. Didn't make a sonic boom, like you'd see a fighter jet when you see the pressure that, you know, the way that that happens. It didn't disturb any of the trees like what rotor wash would do on a helo or a jet flying the map of the earth and leaving exhaust and blowing the, you know, you kind of see Top Gun movies with that.

• 40:49Shawn Ryan?

  No propulsion.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Nothing. There were even coconuts that you could visibly see on these trees. None of them were disturbed.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  No shit.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. And me, I like, I like aircraft, you know, that was my thing, you know, I wanted to be a pilot, but that didn't happen. I wanted to fly the Harrier. And I know about aircraft. I know everything that we've got. I know everything about them, you know, from a little kid, that's all I wanted to do, you know, but obviously then being infantry was the next best thing. So it wasn't something I've never seen before, something I know that we didn't have, at least in the conventional wise, on top of the military force that was there. So as that took off, we're all of a sudden ordered to face that slope that we came down. And like I said, it's not very high up. I mean, it's high enough to obscure everything to kind of go down in the valley. And so as we turn around, I'm like, fuck. They're gonna do it.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  I think they were just gonna, you know, fucking rip us right there.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. You're worried they're gonna kill you.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 42:48Speaker 03

  Does that mean it's like?

• 42:49Shawn Ryan?

  When you, when, before we get to that.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:52Shawn Ryan?

  When you saw this thing take off, I mean, do you have any estimation of speed? Have you seen anything? I mean, was it faster than anything you've seen before? Was it a normal speed?

• 43:04Speaker 03

  No, it was, it was faster. It was the fastest thing I've ever seen. It was, I would say probably four, 5,000 miles an hour. I mean, it was instantaneous. It was just like it left a blur.

• 43:15Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  You know, like a jet screaming by going as fast as it possibly could, you can still make the shape of it and still lock your eyes onto it as it's going. There's no way in hell you could lock your eyes onto this thing as it's moving. That's how fast it was.

• 43:26Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  And eyesight, you know, you're something moving, your eyes are naturally going to pick up that motion. And this didn't do that. I mean, it was just like, it just left a very fast blur. And like I said, I've never seen anything like that, the way that it moved, the way that it didn't make any sound. Completely, you know, didn't change pitch of the hum or anything like that.

• 43:44Shawn Ryan?

  Did it go at an upward angle? Was it a straight line?

• 43:47Speaker 03

  It just looked like a straight line from what I couldn't see. You know what I mean? It just, it wasn't like it went up in the sky or anything. It was just like, went over the trees and was gone.

• 43:55Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I mean, you know, knowing aircraft and things like that, it's just wasn't something normal. Something completely faster, something doesn't make any sound. I mean, radar sensor, I have no idea, you know, but there's theories that maybe the design of it could not reflect radar signals. I mean, I don't know how that go. I'm not, you know, I don't work in that project or anything like that. But it's just something that's very odd to see, very, very alarming.

• 44:19Shawn Ryan?

  Did the lights stay on as it?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:21Shawn Ryan?

  Took off?

• 44:22Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 44:22Shawn Ryan?

  That.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  But you couldn't even see the blurs of lights even. It was just this black blur that just left.

• 44:28Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it's creepy. It was, it was fucking creepy to see. And, you know, of course, we're like dumbfounded because you've never seen anything like this. And this is like some Hollywood shit, you know? Make the ships from Independence, they look like a joke, you know? How fast this thing was. So, um, it was, it was very, very, very weird to see that. And like I said, as we were ordered to turn towards the slope that we came down. And that's when I thought it was it. I thought they were gonna smoke us, you know, and they kept saying that, you know, we're just, we can kill you right now, you know, they're, as, as this is going on, they're talking shit, they're looking at us, they're taking pictures, they're doing, you know, everything that they're trying to do, clear us.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  So as we turned this and all of a sudden, I see a sling pass over my head. I'm like, oh, fuck, they're gonna strangle me. And that wasn't the case. They actually tightened it so well that when they placed it and, you know, it's cross body and obviously the butt stock of the rifle is up on the right shoulder and the muzzle's kind of more towards your left. And they tighten the sling so well that if you try to get it off, it's gonna struggle, right? And they started putting the magazines in and they put all six of them in our vest, but they put it in a way that wasn't tactical. They put them like right side up where you can see the brass, right? Cause brass to the grass is usually what we always train our Marines to do. So you just take it out, pop it in, boom, right?

• 45:52Speaker 03

  And they did in the case of be tactical, it wouldn't be a tactical advantage to do that. So by the time you get your weapon off, try to put a magazine in and charge it, you're already gonna get smoked.

• 46:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  So.

• 46:05Shawn Ryan?

  Were you, you were standing up when they did this?

• 46:07Speaker 03

  Yes. Yep. And when I saw that sling come over, I mean, I was like, fuck, I thought they were gonna strangle me.

• 46:13Shawn Ryan?

  Were they talking to you as they were doing this?

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yes, uh, that's when I was saying they're gonna, you know, smoke us, they're gonna kill us, they could shoot us, you know, leave us here to die, stuff like that.

• 46:21Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think they were do, I mean, it sounds like they were taunting.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  They, they were. And I think, you know, my personal opinion is I think they wanted, I think they really wanted to kill us. But if they made any, I mean, cause they didn't have suppressors, you know, they had M4 A4s, they had like the high speed setup, they had actual ACOGs. They had the honeycombs on them, they had, um, PEC 16s, which is step up from what we had. They had steel magazines, their weapons are like they were brand new.

• 46:47Shawn Ryan?

  Do they have nods?

• 46:48Speaker 03

  No. They have ball caps though.

• 46:50Shawn Ryan?

  Ball caps?

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Yep. They had no insignias, nothing that was signified what their rank was, nothing that was signified what branch if they were, there's nothing identified. And, you know, law enforcement agencies are typically try to be uniform with all black, so you can't really identify who they are specifically. And it's like how these guys were doing the same thing. Because I know in AOs, at least where you have friendlies, you want to identify who's what, because that's how you're going to coordinate between everybody, you know, who's friendly, who's not. So if you're having to do anything like airstrikes, close air support, hazey backs, you know what to say and what they look like. Paint the picture for what you're getting into to provide other people that intel. And these guys were just uniform black, ball caps, and it's just, you know, it's very obvious that these guys

• 47:34Speaker 03

  didn't want to be identified, but they had American dialects, they had American lingo, similar to what Marines would use, or at least military. So that's why my suspicion is, I think that these guys at one point were uniform military, and maybe they got swept into this program, whatever it is.

• 47:48Shawn Ryan?

  Could you see their faces?

• 47:51Speaker 03

  I did. Yeah, three of the guys had facial hair, right, kind of stubble, some of them kind of, not really long beards, but like an operator look, you know what I mean? Rest of the guys didn't. Some of them had kind of blonde hair, at least that you can see from right here. Some of them had like black hair, and then just regular white complexion. Some of them had blue eyes, some of them brown eyes, and I think one guy that I saw had, he was the one that was mainly focused in on us as we were getting searched. And you can see, I kind of like grayish blue eyes. So I don't, you know, I don't know what military force, I mean, obviously, it's not conventional.

• 48:28Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Because, you know, the question, if they ever come out, and they decide to, if they decide to ever do this, and say, yeah, I was there, I was these guys, I would have a question. The question would be, why did you let us go? Or what were you guys thinking? Or why were you guys doing this for the matter? Because this isn't something that, you know, me consciously. There's a lot of things, especially finding out that this happens to do with human trafficking. Morally, I could never do that.

• 48:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  That's a touchy subject for me.

• 49:01Shawn Ryan?

  They might not know.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's just it too. I mean, they could have. I mean, maybe the guys in the trucks were more of the darker side of things that were doing the hands on. And these guys with securities, I mean, there's so many theories with this. You know, I've had, I've seen some flack on Reddit about this. And you got all these armchair quarterbacks like, oh, I wouldn't have surrendered my weapon. Oh, yeah?

• 49:22Speaker 03

  So you get pulled over by a cop. And he's got his gun drawn in because you know, there's some people that that's their interaction with police because they're known to be violent people. The cop is not going to take any chances. They're going to pull out their sidearm and they're going to approach the vehicle like this. Tell you to get the fuck out. Right? Are you going to chance anything of this guy shooting you if he's holding you at gunpoint?

• 49:43Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  No, you got kids, you got, you got a wife, you know, you got a bunch of stuff to live for. I know these Marines had the same thing. But it's always these people who are going to talk this shit who are not there. Cause I know for a fact that I'm here, I'm here today talking to you about this. I was here, you know, talking to the Pentagon and talking to all these other people about this to testify to them, tell them what happened. And I'm glad that, you know, I'd rather get the flack than to have to sit there and actually. Whatever story they would have spun up. To say that, you know, maybe. One Marine. Got PTSD or something, decided to kill his own squad and then kill himself. I mean, whatever they would have spun it to be. If these guys have this kind of technology and these resources, they can do anything.

• 50:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  They're above the law clearly. So. As they gave us our stuff back and we're going up this slope, they're still talking shit. They're still saying, you know. We could kill you. Don't fucking look back and we're going to smoke you. So as soon as we went over the top and all of a sudden we didn't, you know, they weren't pursuing us and we fucking high tailed it. We ran down this fucking slope. Trying not to trip over shit, go to the LZ and there, there were still helicopters flying, you know, they were flying relatively low with this. The shipments that they had that were attached and then they were landing, dropping the stuff off and then they were taking off. Right? And they were just coming and going back and forth. There was a gunner sergeant there that was not in my unit. I think he was attached to the ship. It might have been kind of like their logistical support

• 51:07Speaker 03

  unit, whatever it is for, because I know each ship has a logistical support for Marines, right, that are on the ship, either at the security, whatever it is. There was a gunner sergeant there and he was like fucking pissed because we showed back up and we weren't supposed to. And then we had our weapons, you know, so why were we conditioned for, you know, and we tried to play dumb. So obviously, we kind of like set up a perimeter and then we adjusted ourselves. Some of my guys, you know, they'd help us get our stuff unslung and then we'd load it back up and, you know, act like everything was normal. But I can tell everybody's faces were like, what the fuck? Very, very concerning stuff. And here's the thing, though. If stuff is still going on to this day, which I'm sure it is, because if they're, you know, you come to find out, and I know you probably know this, human trafficking is the biggest revenue generator

• 51:51Speaker 03

  for these guys, for these organizations. Second's drugs, third is weapons. So if they're hitting all three, and obviously, they're not going to want to give up their operations, being known for that, because it's illegal. It's not going to sit very well in the public eye. A lot of people have children. I don't have, I personally don't have kids, but I know you as a dad would not fucking stand for that kind of shit. Because then you have the thought in your head that it's going to be my kids are going to end up like this, that potentially could. And it's not a very comfortable thing people realize. And having them known to see this happen, it sucks. And this is kind of more why I'm pressing towards getting the resolution done with this, to make the government aware of it, because if that's going on, it's got to be stopped. That's some evil, that's some evil

• 52:34Speaker 03

  nature right there. And I can't believe that there are actually people participating in this. And if they know about it, fucking shame on them.

• 52:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's very interesting. There are two subjects that I really wanted to dive into this year is I'm fascinated with the UFO UAP genre.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:56Shawn Ryan?

  And I want to expose as much as possible.

• 53:02Shawn Ryan?

  The stuff about human trafficking and everything that goes into it. We've already started that and to see these two arenas start to intertwine is, I mean, it's very alarming.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  It tells you how much money is being spent. And it tells you that there's companies here that the government doesn't know about that are participating in this.

• 53:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  And it's not even, you know, something that happens in the United States. It may, you know, it definitely does. But to see the operation, because think about it, it's a, it's a perfect cover. Because let's say if you're hiking somewhere out here and you see that unfold and you try to call the police, you try to call, you know, federal, state, local agencies, or even the military for that matter, try to report this, are they going to take you serious?

• 53:45Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  They wouldn't.

• 53:48Shawn Ryan?

  And it's, it's, it's becoming more and more common.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:52Shawn Ryan?

  As time goes on, but yeah, it's, you know, it's, you know, what sucks about this is we're in this, we're in this time period where everybody knows, not, I guess not everybody, but it seems, everybody that I know knows that the media is false.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:10Shawn Ryan?

  It's fake. They, they don't report everything, they lie.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  No, they don't.

• 54:15Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, and, but at the same time, a lot of people won't put any validation or trust in anything that hasn't been covered by mainstream media. So we're in like this time period where there's, there's, there's a transition happening.

• 54:34Speaker 03

  There is, and it's thanks to people like you. And I'm glad that there's people with me doing this too, that, you know, it, it's easy for, for people to sit there and try to judge what they would have done in these situations. And the bottom line is, is we have gotten a point in our life, and I don't mean us specifically, but I mean the rest of the world, where they get so disturbed with things, but they don't do anything about it. They want other people to do it. Oh, I'm unhappy with the situation. Well, fucking change it or help change it. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get the word out there. We're trying to get the government, at least the right parts of the government, to do something about this. And, you know, among other things that you see with corruption, you know, um, for example, you talk about the media.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Like, I was a security, at least for my private security firm, for the America's Frontline Doctors in Washington DC. They came to talk to President Trump about, um, COVID not being as serious as what the media is trying to say it is. They said that vaccinations are not something required to beat this. They were talking about natural immunity. They were talking about all the things that we already knew. Well, people were getting silenced for it. And I'm seeing these doctors, especially Dr. Simone Gold, you know, so they tried to wrap her up because she was part of the January 6th thing. But she's actually a really nice lady. But she's explained to us how everything worked because they took us out to dinner, you know, to try to thank us. And it was very cool to network with these people. And then all of a sudden, you go after the event and you start seeing the news articles pop up about these people.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  And it's completely defamation. It's completely stuff that's not even related. You know, and, and it's one of those things that it sucks to see because their lives were ultimately ruined for speaking out about the truth. But here's the thing, there comes great risk to stuff. Comes, you know, my life doesn't get lavish because of what I'm doing today and what I've been doing. It becomes hell. I've had, um, numerous encounters with fucking helicopters hovering over my house. They were hovering over my dad's house. They get so low where they rattle the walls. Scare the shit out of the animals that we've got. You know, his dogs were going fucking crazy at that point. And he was concerned because he was home and he was like, I've never heard anything like that.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  So, you know, having, I've taken videos of this too, but seeing Blackhawks, seeing regular black helicopters that don't even have insignias on them, nothing. And they're just sitting there. But the thing about it that is at least... Noticeable about this, and it's just kind of a, there's a hysterical factor to this. How much money they're fucking spending on this to happen to try to either intimidate me, or anybody else for that matter. There's some elected officials and even some government officials, I know they're having the same thing happen to them. Because they've told me about it personally, through our encrypted source of what we talk about. So, they instructed me that anytime that something like this happens, that I could record it, take pictures, because they'll see the timestamps of everything taken, and let them know the time and they'll investigate it. Because they can have access to the FAA systems and among other systems

• 57:26Speaker 03

  that I can actually relay where these people are going, they can listen into their comms, you know, because I have to guide through the FAA air traffic, you know, where they're going. I live by the airport in Denver. And the airspace there is restricted because they have airplanes that are flying, you know, every directions to try to, you know, passenger airliners or whatnot. So it's not a normal flight path for helicopters, that's what stuck out to me. They were doing it at my place of business, where they'd fly over, they'd stop, and then, you know, they would bank off. My dad's house, they'd get low, you know, enough. It's just, you know, it doesn't become glamorous by speaking about this.

• 58:00Shawn Ryan?

  And you have people, maybe that you've met through, when you testified in front of the intelligence committee that are helping you, that are telling you, hey, record this shit, timestamp it, let us know, any information you can possibly get.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yes. Because they said they'll look into it, because they know, I mean, and several of them are having to deal with this personally.

• 58:19Shawn Ryan?

  Is this happening to any of the other whistleblowers that you know?

• 58:23Speaker 03

  I know it happens to Dr. Greer all the time.

• 58:25Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  Other whistleblowers, I'm not sure. It's not something that, you know, maybe they do notice, you know, because they're hyper vigilant with what's going on. Because, I mean, with what we're doing, it's putting us in the spotlight, but it's also putting the fucking crosshairs on, onto us. And the only thing I'm thankful is coming public with this information, at least if something does happen. And I'm not going to rule that out. But if anything does happen, and it kind of proves what we're talking about to be true.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  And the reason being is because they would not be going through these measures to try to intimidate for no reason.

• 58:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  We're keeping people up at night because of what we're talking about, and that needs to happen.

• 59:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  So, you know, and I've, I even told these government officials when I have made meetings, I'm like, first and foremost, you guys need to understand something. I am in a right state of mind to do this. I don't feel like harming myself. I don't feel like, you know, because everybody makes the joke that Epstein didn't kill himself. No way in shape or form related to that, right? And so, same goes here. Like, I don't, I have no means to harm myself, so if anything happens, it's not from me.

• 59:28Shawn Ryan?

  Well, thanks for, thanks for saying that.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, that needs to be on record, and people need to understand that, because if something does, it's not because I, you know, I turned a gun on myself or anything like this. Specifically, I'm going to talk about something. El Toro, Marine Corps Air Station El Toro, I'm sure you're familiar with that, it was out in California. There was a Colonel there that was, didn't even know that this was going on on his base, but they were flying flights in that had drugs on them. And they were unloading it on his base, and he found out about it, so he went to question them. Two days later, they find him dead.

• 1:00:05Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:07Shawn Ryan?

  Is this on record anywhere?

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  Yes, it is. You can Google this information. Put Marine Corps Colonel Suicide, El Toro.

• 1:00:14Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  You can pull this, anybody of these viewers can do that, too. The family thought it was very alarming because the circumstances. So, they did a second opinion for an autopsy, and they said that there was extreme blunt force trauma to his head, which killed him. But then they had gunshot wounds, so there's a shotgun that were supposed to stage to look like a suicide. And so, I'm glad that the family actually got the second opinion to say, no, it was blunt force trauma to the back of the head is what killed him, and they tried to make it look like a suicide. And this is a Colonel, and this thing that sucks about this is the Marine Corps itself actually tried to use this as a tool to say, you know what, suicide awareness is such a big thing, and it happens with every rank, and they were using this guy for this purpose. But then all of a sudden, you start delving into this information and seeing that, you

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  know, the reports that he was making about these illegal flights coming in, and they were unloading drugs. I mean, it clearly, these guys, it doesn't matter what rank you are, doesn't matter what position in government you have, it doesn't matter what you do for a living. If you're going against what they're, exposing what they're doing. They're gonna get you. So if something does happen, I'm just putting it out there that it's not from my own doing. I don't fucking piss anybody at maybe, you know, maybe in the business world to a degree, but it's not enough for them to sit there and do something like that. And I'm glad that I have a private security firm where I've got some guys who look out for my best interests and they know what I'm doing. So they've got my back, realistically speaking. And, you know, and that's the thing too, is any other whistleblowers who, you know, because I urge other people to come out.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  If they're needing protection out of the way, I'll help with that. I'll orchestrate, but two, the other thing is too, coming out in the fashion that we did was the best because now the right people in the government know. So it's almost like having a pit bull that's one to whip you to fucking shreds, but you have this fence that's between you and this pit bull.

• 1:02:01Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  And I feel like the government's gonna be that fence and along with the spotlight that this put me in.

• 1:02:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Because it's unsettling to sit there and see these helicopters, man. It's just, it's hysterical if you sit there and wave them, but it's like, keep wasting your fucking money.

• 1:02:15Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about the debrief that happened afterwards.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:02:18Shawn Ryan?

  What happened when you got back to your command?

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  So, um, when we got back on the ship, we ended up returning our weapons to the armory, um, went to our berthing, put our gear away, went back to the flight deck, there was this admiral there. I'd never seen him before, I don't know who he is. But it was just very out of place. He gave a debrief saying, hey, this was good that you guys are doing for these people, which I agree with. But I have no idea who he was, but it, you know, I've been on six ships, did several humanitarian operations, and not once have I've ever seen an admiral on any of them.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  You know, and this was minor compared to the one in 2011 we did with Fukushima and that natural disaster. Never seen Admiral with that, right? So it's just very out of place. So we went to, after we concluded this operation, we end up docking in Subic Bay for some liberty. This is like four days. So the people that we encountered during that event didn't even bother to take my camera or anything. It was in my dump pouch, but it was small enough. So I don't know why they wouldn't have searched it, but they missed it, right? So here I am the whole time thinking like, fuckin' A, I've got something. I'm not fucking crazy and neither of us are crazy. But we've got something that actually backs up if we were to tell anybody about this and we can show them pictures of it off of a camera and not something like a computer screen where they can doctor it.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Well, I spoke too soon because when we end up going out that, that first day, we came back to report back to the ship and I saw my camera on my rack and the memory card was out of it and it was a big memory card and the battery was out of it. And I just see the camera sitting. I'm like, what the fuck? So I checked my locker. It was secure because that's where I had it. And I had some stuff on top of the camera in there, you know, in my locker that were on top of the camera. And I had another battery in there. So I took that battery and I put it in there and it wouldn't even turn the fuck on. And I had some people reach out to me that said, you know, if you had that camera still to this day, that they could do some data retrieval and maybe able to pick it up. I'm like, but I don't have that camera. You know, I tossed it because of the fact that it wouldn't even turn on and wouldn't do anything. I'm like, fuck, it's just a paperweight. And then, and of course, 2009,

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  you're not thinking of anything with forensics, you know, where they could do something. There was people actually willing to do that, which is great. So somewhere out there, somebody's got this footage. Somebody's got that, that tape because there's some reason why they took it. And fun fact is that the other five Marines that were with me, they had their phones taken.

• 1:05:03Shawn Ryan?

  Did you look at the pictures before? Did you, did you have a chance?

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  I know I took pictures and videos of it because I saw the record thing and I actually can snap the photos and you can see like a blink is the only way to describe it. So I knew for a fact.

• 1:05:15Shawn Ryan?

  But you didn't go back and review them? Okay?

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  No. No.

• 1:05:20Shawn Ryan?

  Why not?

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Um, one I didn't see, one anybody seen.

• 1:05:23Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Just for that reason, you know, it was just something to keep, you know, if anybody doesn't know about it, then if I start telling people, then obviously there's things that may happen. And of course it did happen regardless. Cause as soon as we're out in town, all these people, you know, I don't know who it was who did this, by the way, but they didn't even cut my lock, they popped it off somehow because they re, you know, my lock was still intact. So these guys are obviously know how to do it and I don't know who it was. But all of a sudden, the other Marines had their stuff taken too. And anybody in the platoon, they didn't have any of their stuff touched. It was only us that were there.

• 1:05:55Shawn Ryan?

  Did they take anything else?

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  No. Nope. So after we get done with that, we end up going back to, uh, Okinawa, right? And I'm, you know, this was a regular, normal day. It's probably fast forward a month after we end up getting back. All of a sudden, a duty Marine knocks on my door and says, you need to report up to the CP. Like, Roger that. So I get my cover, run downstairs, run over and there's nobody there.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  I'm like, this is fucking weird. And all of a sudden, like I go inside and there's like this big open in his office and then they have like these little offices that have these little doors that you can walk into. So all of a sudden I'm greeted by somebody in a, uh, Air Force dress blues. And he didn't have a cover on, but he had the salt and pepper hair, white complexion, older gentleman. He didn't have a name tag on his, uh, uniform, which come to find out, um, Air Force regulation states that you have to have a name tag on your uniforms. You know, Marine Corps, we don't do that unless it's our camouflage or if you're a drill instructor or some kind of instructor or some sort of billet that requires you to do that. So, um, he calls me over and I go over, give him the proper greeting of the day and then he tells me, go ahead and sit down over here in this office. So I sit down and he's just, he doesn't even bother to sit down.

• 1:07:06Shawn Ryan?

  Just you though? Wasn't the other five Marines?

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  No, they end up having the same thing happen, but this guy did it separately.

• 1:07:10Shawn Ryan?

  It's all individual?

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:12Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  It wasn't all together. So, um, he told us again, with what you guys saw, you were not allowed to report this. You're not allowed to talk about it to your family. Not to your chain of command. I don't care if a general even asks you. You can go to prison for this. You could be executed. And if you want chance that, by all means, but you need to sign this. So I take the paper and I'm looking at it and it's non-disclosure agreement. The only two things I can recall to this day is that it said, uh, T S S C I and it said Indonesia. Those are the only things I could recall, but I skimmed through it and I fucking signed it because here I am thinking that, okay, we're just going to forget about this whole fucking ordeal.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  And yet, this is getting thrown in our face and here's somebody threatening our fucking lives here with, you know, prison, death, things like that, if we're to talk about this. Did you ask him any questions? I tried to ask him who he was, and he didn't say anything. There's some speculation going on about this because people who know about this, whether it's other whistleblowers and other people who've came forward previously, have said that these guys have the ability to impersonate or even play off as their military officials or anybody for that matter in the government to try to extract information to see what you know. So I'm not, you know, because it's odd that he didn't have a name tag. He had, the only thing I could tell is that he had a stack of ribbons. You know, Air Force gives ribbons a mouse for just about anything, but he had silver

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  jump wings is the only thing I can recall. So other people I've talked to in the military community are still active, just trying to get information. And now they know because I've came out, they were saying that if it was an Air Force officer, that has to do with some Air Force intelligence. Because a lot of them had jump wings and that's kind of the thing that they like to do. He says, because he didn't have any pilot wings or nothing, that would signify he was a pilot. It was just those silver jump wings. Yeah. Just with the parachute and had the reed that come up like this. That's the only thing. And obviously he had the silver oak leaves on his shoulders. But, so after dealing with that, it's like, okay, signed it, I'm like, great, you know, just fucking leave it behind. The rest of my career, don't tell anybody about it, you know, didn't tell my family.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  I told my dad before I ended up going and getting out of act of doing the reserves, I said, you know, there's something I gotta tell you. And he even told me this, you know, when I started coming out publicly about it and after I had gotten through the right part of the government to go ahead and proceed with this. And now he understands what I was trying to tell him because I said, I just have to wait for the right time to do this because I don't know, I'm kind of freaked out, you know, something. And at that point, 2017, is when I met Dr. Greer and then fast forward to recently in April, making this happen with the government and telling them and testifying and briefing them what's going on, you know. So the flat that I'm seeing with this is, you know, there was a guy, apparently it was a Marine that came out with Dr. Greer, it was like more than 10 years ago.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  I think his name was Joshua or something like that. And he was a Stinger operator, so he was like an anti-air gunner, if you want to call it that, on the MOS. But apparently, he was in South America and he witnessed a crash retrieval. And...

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  So he stated the same thing. This paramilitary organization. Kind of looked very similar. Obviously, this was in the 90s, so they didn't look that dissimilar to what I saw. But he talked a paramilitary organization. He talked about the noise that this craft made that he saw that was shot down, had a hole in it. So it was a guitar amp, because that's the only way to describe it. If it's reverse engineered, it's going to mimic the same kind of technology that these actual crafts have. Right? This paramilitarization, well, yes, that's how they operate. They're not going to be identified in any kind of way. It's going to be a generic black uniforms and gear. So of course, and you know, everybody's like, oh, at least they're Reddit that I'm saying. And they said, oh, the Air Force Lieutenant Colonel.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  Okay, that's another thing. And it probably wasn't the same guy, but the same method. There's only one word that comes to that. It's called corroboration. And it's not the first time that this guy's saying it. It's not the first time that other people have said this, but the thing is, people only pay attention to them when stuff's thrown in their face, such as what I'm doing and what these other people are doing. There's going to be people who are going to come out after me, who are going to talk about the same thing. I know I'm not the only one. And maybe I can get one of my Marines, you know, that were there to actually come forward. And maybe, you know, ideally it'd be all of them, but I know how this goes. And one guy responded when I had these government officials and Dr. Greer trying to bring one of them forward. And he said, absolutely not. He sent a text message saying, it's

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  not worth the, not worth the risk to my family, my life, my career, because he's still in the military. He's a commissioned officer now. And he was very repetitive about that. And he says, don't ever ask me to do this shit again. And you need to get the fuck out of whatever you're in. But it's the response that when I asked him to do this, and that's what he responded to, what else could it be?

• 1:12:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  So in a sense, that kind of corroborates it, but it corroborates the seriousness of how they're in fear of their life.

• 1:12:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  The other guy, I didn't hear from anything. And even taking my social media down because after I started coming forward, I just don't want people blowing up my fucking inboxes, trying to ask me details or questions or try to get interviews. You know, I'm not about that. I'm not, you know, the fact that our lives are kind of coming to hell to a degree because of being pursued with these helicopters and things like that. There's other ramifications that may happen that I'm not aware of, but you know what? There's a risk to things and that's how this is going to happen. And if that's what's chosen, then I just got to figure out how to mitigate that as well.

• 1:12:41Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's talk about, we, we had spoken offline a little earlier about all the media that's reached out. I know you had an article in the Daily Mail.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  Daily Mail, and then obviously the other facets are related. Daily Mail published this. William has construed a lot of that and then they end up going in from David Grush to bashing Dr. Greer about it. So it was something that they're trying to use like to get people's attention and they go into this fucking narrative. You know, I've had News Nation, I've had CNN, I've had MSNBC that reached out. Um, through LinkedIn, through other emails, you know, because there's, my email gets blasted all over the place these days. And I've got four emails, so I'm, I get the fucking shitty one I hand out to people. Cause I don't want to get spammed through my business emails because that's money that's sitting on the table if need be. And, um, I decline every single one of them. Because I know that they're going to push this false narrative and false narratives that there's evil ETs and this is what David Grush is pushing now.

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  Saying that, you know, they're malevolent and then they've seen people, ETs die or you've heard ETs kill people and things like that. Well, first and foremost, if there is a species of extraterrestrial that's out there. And they happen to be fucking malevolent, it's not wise to shoot their shit down or kill any of them because guess what? These, they're highly advanced. If they can make this kind of stuff, imagine what they can do if they weaponize it. You know, so it's, it's something that, you know, this needs to stop because all it's doing is this pepper, uh, it's just. Portraying fear out to people.

• 1:14:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  They did this with COVID. You see the response of that. If people are still living this way, living like COVID exists to this day, which it probably does, but it's not nearly. As, uh, damaging as what people are saying.

• 1:14:13Shawn Ryan?

  Wasn't as bad as, uh, was hyped up.

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  No, it wasn't. And you still have people fucking afraid of their lives. And this is the thing that is sad to see that. So this whole, now that people are thinking about this going on, now that all of a sudden worse case is going to happen. It's just this whole fear being, uh. Portrayed in the media to try to scare the shit out of people. Either get ratings or try to get people tuned into their networks is just ridiculous.

• 1:14:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  It's more, you know, it's more of a personal game for them because they're, they get money off of views.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  So

• 1:14:42Shawn Ryan?

  Now that you've set the record straight, do you think you'll go on any of these media outlets?

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:14:47Shawn Ryan?

  No?

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  I'm not looking to get fucking famous from this dude. I just want to get this information out. This thing, and I've had people try to approach me with book deals and shit like that. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. This has nothing to do with trying to get money. This is trying to make sure that this, I'm not trying to convince the public here. And I'm getting that on record too. This isn't trying to convince the fucking public that this is real. I'm trying to convince the government and thankfully they are convinced enough to actually do something about it. That's my main objective with this. Because when they come out and they start talking about the bills that they're talking about legislations, because of people like me standing up among other whistleblowers coming out and talking about the same kind of corroboration, that there's manmade stuff going on, that there's nefarious activities going on behind the scenes that nobody knows about, and they're making money illegally and they're murdering or killing people doing it.

• 1:15:34Shawn Ryan?

  I'm glad you're doing it.

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  I'm glad too, man. And it scares the shit out of me. I wake up every day unsure like what the fuck's gonna happen, but that's why you had to take it day by day. And at the end of the day, there's people looking out for me, which is great in the government and spiritually as well.

• 1:15:48Shawn Ryan?

  Good.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  You know, and that's where I'm gonna thrive with this because guess what? If they can silence me, but they can't silence the fucking truth, and they've been trying to silence the truth for far too long. And it needs to, it needs to stop. And there's anybody whistleblowers too, this is the thing I'm gonna urge. Anybody who has any information with this, whether they witnessed similar things with this, whether, you know, you're in the opposite spectrum. If you're anybody who's working in these programs, and there's people who are listening to your show about this, by the way, who are probably on that side of the coin. Fucking man up and come the fuck out.

• 1:16:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  You gotta stop the bullshit. And anybody who knows about this, well, guess what? If you know the truth and you're not revealing it, then you're complicit to it too.

• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  So I'm urgent. Get ahold of me. I mean, I'll throw my email if you can put that link in and most of all, get ahold of Dr. Greer.

• 1:16:35Shawn Ryan?

  I'll put that link in there.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Okay. But yeah, Dr. Greer, I mean, he's been a good resource and people need to understand, just like you need to understand with this. He is basically a sounding board for all of us who have coming forward and all he's doing is relaying information that he knows from people. He's got a strict vetting process with this. I know people gonna attest to that as whistleblowers. The fact is, he's not just gonna take anybody's word because yeah, somebody said something, right?

• 1:16:57Shawn Ryan?

  I talked to him. I just interviewed him, as you know.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:00Shawn Ryan?

  And I asked him, how did he decipher who? The bullshitters are from the real ones and we went into that because I, I think that's extremely important.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  Yes, it is. And it's not, he's just not taking anybody's word for it.

• 1:17:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  I, I mean, he asked me repeatedly, you know, in law enforcement, especially, you know, the tactics they use as they ask the similar questions and especially the meeting I had with the Pentagon and, and all these other agencies. It's like they ask the same thing because they do, they do interrogations on a daily basis. But the fact is my story is not going to fucking change. The way that I'm doing details is not going to change. My simple task with this is just to tell people what happened.

• 1:17:38Shawn Ryan?

  Good.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  That's it. I'm not trying to gain profit. I don't want to be fucking famous. The only thing I, if I'm going to be famous for this, the only thing I want to be famous for is, oh, that's the guy that fucking stood up and wasn't afraid to do it. And he got the truth out there.

• 1:17:51Shawn Ryan?

  Good for you.

• 1:17:51Speaker 03

  If I can fucking live with that, perfect by all means.

• 1:17:55Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Michael, I know it takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing, man, and I just, I commend you for it and it's an honor to have you in here.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  Well, Sean, thank you, man. And what you're doing on your networks, your podcasts, your YouTube, I mean, you have a big, big audience. And I hope, you know, I got, I got people trying to poke holes. Go for it. I don't give a fuck what they think. They weren't fucking there with me. They weren't there with my Marines. They want to talk shit. Go for it.

• 1:18:20Shawn Ryan?

  I got one last question.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Shawn Ryan?

  If you could say anything to the other five Marines that were on the ground with you that day? Cause they might be watching. What would you say to them?

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  Don't fucking leave me hanging, guys. And don't leave me hanging. You know, we're family. We're fucking brothers. We went through this shit. You know, and I, I get that you're, you're, you got family. I get that you got kids. I got, you know, moving on. But fuck, man, I mean, you see what I'm trying to do with this and I'm just trying to get the truth, you know, I, I, I hope that they do. And if I can't get them to come out and at least understand that, you know, yeah, there may be some aspects that are uncomfortable. You know, with what I'm having to deal with, but it's just the reality of things. It's not pretty. But if you got the fucking balls to do it, you know, I don't have kids, you know, me, I still got a lot to lose at the end of the day. And I know they do too. But the fact is, I'm just sick and tired of people bitching about things and not doing anything about it.

• 1:19:16Shawn Ryan?

  Me too.

• 1:19:16Speaker 03

  And it's all a bunch of talk in this fucking world. It's all a bunch of talk. It's all I see on social media. That's why I'm glad I'm off of that. You know what I mean? That's why I'm glad I'm off because guess what? I don't get to see that anymore. I get to focus on what I'm trying to do. And for me, having people reach out to me that have open minds and they're like, you know what, I actually heard about something like this happening in Vietnam. Or they're like, I heard about this happening in 2004. And then there's people who are coming out that are participating in those operations unknowingly because they think the constitutionality of it's legal. And it's not. And that's why this is happening because these people think that at the end of the day, they're doing something that's oversight. And they don't know that degree. It's very compartmentalized, as you know, being a CIA.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  You know, they only know what they're told and they won't know what they're briefed on and whether allowed to have access to depends on what they're doing.

• 1:20:01Shawn Ryan?

  That's how they keep it secret.

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  Yes, they do. And not everybody's gonna know that. You know, so I, I hope that anybody who's in those industries understands that, you know, if, if there's anything that seems off. You know, don't approach it how the guy that was at the Pentagon that talked about US forces being involved in Ukraine. I'm sure you heard about that because you saw FBI HRT raid his house and took him into custody. And he's probably gonna sit in prison for the rest of his life because of revealing classified information on these platforms.

• 1:20:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  I'm not doing that. And these guys that are do, are with me that are doing this, they're not doing it either. And the thing is, is because he did it that way means it's illegal because it's classified material to a degree. It may be illegal, but he screwed that up. Now, the way that we approached it was because we contacted the government and said, hey,

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  this is what I know. This is what I was subject to. And they were, of course, because I approached in the right way, they're gonna reward you with the protection with the law that they passed to make sure that you are well protected regardless of what happens in their legal fashion. So these other whistleblowers need to understand that. So they can come forward, they're gonna have the same productions. That's why I can paint them a picture and tell them what to expect. I can point them in the direction of who they need to talk to. You know, and, and just the, the humanity needs to understand that this false narrative that's gonna be portrayed in the media such as alien invasions and stuff like that, it's been planned since the 50s. There's documentations talking about this. As far as SAIC or Science Applications International Corporation talks about the stagecraft.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  You know, honestly, if you're somebody who's such a high, uh, high-developed species or something like that, it's like walking by ants.

• 1:21:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Are you gonna fuck with them? No, you're just like, there's fucking ants, they just won't buy it. I think like the same thing that they do with us.

• 1:21:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  Why are they gonna fucking try to fuck with us? But the same thing, we all of a sudden start shooting them down and then reverse-engineering their stuff and then trying to weaponize it and then we're using it against each other for nefarious activities. Trying to use the fucking, you know, these advanced projects to do very illegal, very dangerous stuff. It's just, it blows my mind how much this goes down.

• 1:22:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  You know, I, I'm just, my goal is just to hopefully get this fucking changed.

• 1:22:11Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I hope it does.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  Me too, buddy.

• 1:22:13Shawn Ryan?

  We'll be praying for it.

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:22:15Shawn Ryan?

  Cheers.