He Said She’ll End Up Like Gabby Petito, Then She Disappears: The Case of Madeline Kingsbury

In March 2023, Madeline Kingsbury dropped her two kids off at daycare. When she stopped answering her mother and sister, and failed to pick the kids up later on, her family knew something was wrong. Her body was discovered just two months later in a field on her ex boyfriend, Adam Fravel’s family property. National Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/ GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/LTWHmadeline Facebook:/ finding-madeline-kingsbury-100091790613142 https://www.facebook.com/p/Finding-Madeline-Kingsbury-100091790613142/ -- This episode is sponsored by: Skylight Frame Uncommon Goods https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/tckr Laundry Sauce https://laundrysauce.com/?utm_source=podcast - For 15% off your order, head to LaundrySauce.com/KENDALL http://LaundrySauce.com/KENDALL and use code KENDALL. Rocket Money https://onboarding.rocketmoney.com/infl?_forward_params=1&_smtype=3&utm_campaign=kendallrae&utm_medium=podcast&utm_source=podcast&wpcid=kendallrae&wpcn=kendallrae&wpsnetn=podcast Check out my foundation: Higher Hope Foundation: https://www.higherhope.org/ Watch my documentaries: 530 Days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUWkmOjNLkApartment 801: https://bit.ly/2RJ9XXr True Crime with Kendall Rae podcast: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3rks84oSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3jC66pr Shop my Merch! https://kendallrae.shop https://kendallrae.shop/ Check out my other podcasts: Mile Higher (True Crime) @milehigherpod YouTube: https://bit.ly/2ROzJcw Instagram: http://instagram.com/milehigherpod The Sesh (Current events, a little true crime, pop culture, and commentary) https://bit.ly/3Mtoz4X @the_seshpodcast Instagram: https://bit.ly/3a9t6Xr *Follow My Social!* @KendallRaeOnyt Instagram: http://instagram.com/kendallraeonyt Facebook: https://bit.ly/3kar4NK True Crime TikTok: https://bit.ly/3VDbc77 Personal TikTok: https://bit.ly/41hmRKg REQUESTS: General case suggestion form: https://zfrmz.com/yg9cuiWjUe2QY3hSC2V0Form for people directly related/ close to the victim: https://zfrmz.com/HGu2hZso42aHxARt1i67 Join my discord to chat with other viewers about this video, it’s free! https://discord.com/invite/an4stY9BCN C O N T A C T: For Business Inquiries - [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Send me mail: Kendall Rae 8547 E Arapahoe Rd Ste J #233 Greenwood Village, CO 80112

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• 1:03Kendall Rae?

  Hello, everyone, and welcome back to True Crime with Kendall Rae. Thank you so much for joining me today. And if you're new, then welcome. I'm happy to have you. So, guys, today, we're going to be talking about a case that has been in the news a lot recently. So, many of you may have heard of it. Trial just wrapped up when I am recording this episode, so I'm very eager to let you know what happened. We're going to be talking about Madeline Kingsbury, an amazing woman. And we're going to be talking about Adam Fravel. In my opinion, one of the biggest losers on the face of the planet. Madeline, or Maddie, as she was referred to by most of her friends and family, was an

• 1:43Kendall Rae?

  amazing young woman, an amazing young mother, who was doing big things with her life and really carrying the weight for the family when Adam really, in my opinion, and just by fact, wasn't really doing shit. This case happened fairly recently, and at first Maddie was a missing person, but eventually they did locate her remains. And like I said, this is going to be a deep dive, so we're going to be going over a lot. So I want to just jump in and I want to start out by telling you about what an incredible person Maddie was. So Madeline Jane Kingsbury was born on June 1, 1996 in Winona, Minnesota, to her parents, David and Krista, and she was the baby of her family. She had two siblings,

• 2:26Kendall Rae?

  Megan and Steven. I had personally never heard of Winona, Minnesota, and from what I have seen, it is a very beautiful place. And from what I can tell after doing research for this episode, it seems like a wonderful community. And it's actually where Winona Ryder is from, which I thought was a cool little fact there. Now, when I look into a victim's life, sometimes it's difficult to find information about them. And you guys know, I like to find as much as I can and tell you about who they were as a person, when they were alive as possible, because I think that is just as important as the information regarding their murder. And when researching this case, I actually was able to find quite a bit of information

• 3:08Kendall Rae?

  about Maddie. And I found some beautiful words that were written about her that I want to share with you now. "From an early age, it was obvious that she was special. By the time that she was two, she was stringing large sentences and complex thoughts together. People would take notice and couldn't help but ask with exclamation, 'How old is she?' She could definitely talk and talk and talk, carrying on conversations for hours. When she was young, she'd follow you around the house, chattering away. Actually, she's always done that, not just when she was little. As many of you also know, she also loved to sing and did so beautifully. Mommy, daughter, sister, aunt, niece, cousin, friend, colleague, and co-conspirator. She was many

• 3:48Kendall Rae?

  things to many people. Big smile and big heart. That's Madeline." And the more I dug into who Maddie really was, the more impressed I became. She graduated from Farmington High School and went on to attend Winona State University, where she was an incredibly well-liked person and an outstanding student. Loved ones described her as kind, caring, a little bit quirky, and a loyal friend with a great sense of humor. She was one of those people who was naturally very warm to others and really approached life with a positive attitude. And above all else, it really seems that Maddie was known for her love of family and not just the family that she was born into, but the family that she grew into. Maddie's parents actually didn't stay together and ended up recoupling.

• 4:33Kendall Rae?

  And she grew to love the new additions to her family, including her stepparents as well as her step siblings. And then while she was still in college, Maddie actually started a family of her own. At Winona State University, she ended up meeting a guy named Adam Fravel. And the two of them got pregnant with their first child, a daughter. They never actually got married, but the two of them decided to be together and to raise their baby girl. Adam even ended up dropping out of school so that he could get a job and support their family while Maddie finished her degree. And to be honest, from what I was able to gather, in the beginning, their relationship was actually pretty decent. Maddie's family felt that Adam really loved her and that

• 5:14Kendall Rae?

  he was, you know, taking all the right steps to try and be a good family man. But that all seemed to change after they had their second child, a boy. And that's when her family said, things just kind of derailed from there. Adam lost his job in the pandemic and he quickly became financially dependent on Maddie, who by the way, was taking on almost all of the responsibilities of parenting while working full time and while in school to get her master's degree. In 2023, Maddie was a student at the University of Minnesota in an advanced master's program while also working as a clinical research coordinator at the prestigious Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. And I think we can all agree that juggling all of that while

• 5:57Kendall Rae?

  still parenting and being the main parent is extremely impressive. I mean, her kids were five and two years old at the time and she managed to be this totally hands-on parent while also making sure to pursue her education and to pursue her dreams. But Adam, on the other hand, like I said, big loser energy because despite not having a job himself, he seemed to take a more hands-off approach to parenting. He was studying to get his pilot's license, but comparatively speaking,

• 6:30Kendall Rae?

  Maddie just had a lot more on her plate and is said to have been far more involved with the kids on top of that. And her loved ones say that she often confided in them about how the responsibilities often fell on her for everything. And she actually confided in them about many things that are much worse than that, but we will get to that later. But first, I really want to stress how loved she was, how hardworking she was. And despite the fact that her life was cut short, how big of an impact she made on everyone that she met. Maddie was said to be someone who never stopped laughing and also loved to make other people laugh. She would make places and people feel better than when she found them.

• 7:13Kendall Rae?

  She was truly an incredible role model to both of her kids and she is deeply missed by her friends and family every single day. Which brings me to March 31st, 2023, the last day that anyone heard from her. Now, that day was a Friday and it was a totally typical day. Maddie and Adam took the kids to daycare around 8:00 a.m. And surveillance footage shows the two of them walking in with the kids for a drop off. And then after dropping the kids off, we believe that Maddie's plan was to go home and then drive into the Mayo Clinic because Fridays were typically the day that she was in office. However, after 8:15 a.m., when she sent her sister Megan a final text message laughing about a photo from the night before,

• 7:58Kendall Rae?

  Maddie was never heard from again. And by that evening, Maddie's mom became increasingly concerned because it just wasn't like her daughter to not respond to her texts or calls all day. So Krista, at that point, ends up reaching out to Megan to see if maybe she had heard from her and she hadn't. So in true big sister fashion, she goes ahead and sends Maddie a text saying, "Hey, mom is trying to reach you. Can you give her a call back?" And when that goes unanswered, Megan started to realize that her mom was right. So she decides to reach out to Adam, thinking that if anyone had heard from her, it'd probably be him, right? But apparently, he also hadn't heard from Maddie since that morning. And he even said that

• 8:40Kendall Rae?

  Maddie didn't pick up the kids from daycare that day like they had planned. So he said that he just ended up getting the kids and taking them to his parents' house in Mable, Minnesota, which is about an hour south. Megan then reached out to Maddie's best friend Katie, hoping that maybe she could help. Maybe she knew where she was. And since Megan didn't live in Winona, she asked Katie if she wouldn't mind, you know, running over there and see if Maddie was at the house. And she did. And despite her blue minivan being parked in the driveway, when she knocked on the door, nobody answered. And at that point, they realized they needed to get police involved. So at 8:20 PM, Katie ended up calling the Winona Police Department, saying that she was worried about Maddie, and she wanted someone to come by and perform a wellness check.

• 9:24Kendall Rae?

  And she also shared that Maddie had been recently having issues with Adam, the father of her two children. And like I mentioned, a lot of the focus in today's episode will be on those issues, but for now, let's just keep going through the timeline. So an officer ends up meeting up with Katie at Maddie's house and essentially came to the same conclusion that she did, which was that Maddie's car was there, but there didn't appear to be any sign of Maddie herself, even after knocking on the door and peering through the windows. An officer also ended up speaking on the phone that night with her dad, and he confirmed that this behavior was super uncharacteristic of her. They even spoke on the phone with Adam, who seemed to confirm that nobody had heard from her all day. And he also told the officer that she hadn't responded to any of his texts that day and

• 10:09Kendall Rae?

  that she failed to pick up the kids from daycare. And then, once again, he explained what I explained to you earlier to the officers, that he just went ahead and picked up the kids from daycare and then brought them over to his parents' house. Now, it's been reported that they weren't able to file a missing persons report just yet, since it hadn't been 24 hours, which of course, we all know is total bullshit. Never let law enforcement tell you that. It's so frustrating that this still happens. I will never understand. But anyway, on the following day, on April 1st, the report was filed and the Winona PD jumped right into action. On the morning of April 1st, 2023, Krista and Megan went to the police station to file the report, and they Provided a lot more context to the situation.

• 10:52Kendall Rae?

  Context that made Maddie's lack of communication a lot more suspicious. They informed officers that Maddie and Adam were actually in the process of splitting up. And the week prior, she told them that her plans had changed because I guess initially she had told Adam that she was going to find an apartment close to where Adam's parents lived because Adam was planning on moving in with them because of his financial difficulties. And at first, her plan was to live somewhere nearby for the sake of their kids. But a week prior to her going missing, she let him know that she had changed her mind and she was actually going to stay in Winona. And that was partially because she didn't want the kids to have to change daycare. She didn't want to, you know, mess up their routine.

• 11:37Kendall Rae?

  But it was also because she just loved Winona. And another reason, I'm guessing, is because she had just started a new relationship. Now, I want to be clear because Adam's family has tried to spin it differently. There was no cheating going on at all. Maddie and Adam had been broken up for a while. And even though Maddie and Adam were still living together, which many people, even though they're in the process of a breakup, still live together, especially when there are kids involved, right? And during that time, while they were broken up and still living together, she reconnected with someone from college, a guy named Spencer. And Maddie was really happy and so was he. But anyways, Megan and Krista were very honest with officers about all of this and

• 12:22Kendall Rae?

  the fact that she had moved on and about the fact that Adam was emotionally abusive and controlling of Maddie. Adam allegedly wouldn't let her talk to Spencer when he was around and he made her show him all of their text messages. But that actually wasn't the worst of it. Officers learned that once Adam had pinned Maddie down, put his hands around her throat and told her that if she didn't listen up, she was going to end up like Gabby Petito. Now, that's one thing you got to know about Adam Fravel is he had a weird obsession, I would say, with the Gabby Petito case. And I will be getting more into that later on.

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• 13:36Kendall Rae?

  And another thing they learned was that Maddie had plans that day, April 1st, to go visit her sister. She and her daughter were gonna go see Meghan. And Maddie was not someone who just canceled plans, especially without saying anything. And so that fact immediately led her loved ones to believe that her disappearance was not voluntary. So, later that day, a search warrant was executed on Maddie and Adam's house. But despite being cluttered and a bit messy, there was no sign of a struggle. However, there were a few important discoveries that were made. Some of these discoveries had immediate significance. Some of them, you know, took a while to actually connect to her disappearance.

• 14:17Kendall Rae?

  For now, and we'll go over the rest later, I want to go over what actually did have immediate significance. First of all, they found Maddie's cellphone, her purse, and her jacket, which she was seen wearing the morning before, when she dropped the kids off at daycare. And they also found her laptop, which she used to work from home. And I think we can all agree that all of these are things that you would not expect to find if someone had just left voluntarily. So of course, these items were then collected. And while investigators worked on getting a warrant to extract the data from her phone and her laptop, Adam was spoken to yet again. On April 1st and April 2nd, Adam was spoken to by investigators. And they had first spoken to him at his parents' house, and then the second time they spoke

• 15:01Kendall Rae?

  to him was at the Rushford Police Department. That first conversation that they had with Adam at his parents' house was definitely more on the casual side. However, the second- Conversation they had with him at the police department was anything but casual. And now I want to share with you Adam's version of what happened on March 31st. Keep in mind, this is his version of the story. So he said that that day after dropping the kids off at daycare around 8:00 AM, that he and Maddie drove back home. When they got home, Maddie went downstairs to take a meeting. And then after that, she was planning on driving into work, which he says was the last time he saw her. And as for his day, Adam explained that because their relationship was ending,

• 15:45Kendall Rae?

  he had been putting a ton of his stuff into boxes. Some of these boxes full of his belongings, he was planning to bring to his parents' house. And then some of the boxes he was planning to bring to a storage unit. So after Maddie went downstairs to work, Adam says that he went to the gas station to fill up her minivan and then went back home to load up his boxes. He said that he was borrowing her car for the day to drive all of those boxes to his parents' house and that he had left her his car so that she could drive to work. He then goes on to explain the route that he drove, which was south on Highway 43 towards Mabel, which is important to remember, okay? South on 43 towards Mabel. The thing is though, Adam claims that when he got to the town of Choice, Minnesota,

• 16:30Kendall Rae?

  about 45 minutes into his one hour drive, he said he realized that he had accidentally put the boxes that were meant for the storage unit into the car. So at that point, he turns around and starts to driving back to Winona. And it's also really important to note that he said he didn't make any stops during this trip. Okay? So then when he arrives back at home around 12:00 PM, he sees that his car is still in the driveway. So he assumed that Maddie had, you know, car pooled with someone into work. And he actually texted her a few times that morning, one of which was when he came home and saw that his car was still there. And then he says that he went back inside and Maddie wasn't home, although he claims he wasn't worried because he thought she was just at work. He said the only time he became concerned

• 17:14Kendall Rae?

  was when she didn't pick up the kids from daycare. And so he went and got them and then, like I've been over, went to his parents'. House and that pretty much sums up what Adam said happened that day, but this is not where his conversation with investigators ended. Oh, no, because they at this point had already uncovered surveillance footage that disproved a lot of what he was saying. And I'll get more into that later, but basically at this point investigators tell him, sorry, dude, we don't believe what you're saying here is true. And in that same meeting, they end up confronting him about the allegation that he was obsessed with the Gabby Petito case. And Adam just literally admitted to it. And he said that he was infatuated by it. Not that he was interested in it. He was infatuated

• 17:59Kendall Rae?

  by the Gabby Petito case. But he tried to explain that he didn't mean anything by his comment to Maddie about her ending up like Gabby Petito. He said that he was just trying to make a joke. Really, dude? A joke? In what world is a joke like that even remotely funny? I mean, come on, to even try and convince him that that was a joke is just, it just shows you what an idiot this guy is. And get this, Adam also appeared to have fresh scratches on his face and his neck, but he said that they came either from gym equipment, a cat, or a dog, maybe. Bro, bro. Now, believe me when I say there is a lot more to go over when it comes to Adam, his behavior,

• 18:43Kendall Rae?

  and what was learned in those first couple of days. But before we jump into that, I want to go over what was happening publicly in the case during this time. And in those early days and even weeks, the public was pretty much kept in the dark to protect the integrity of the investigation, which is understandable. But on Wednesday, April 5, 2023, a press conference was held by the chief of the Winona Police Department to share that based on their investigation so far, they believed Maddie's disappearance was both involuntary and suspicious. In this press conference, Chief Williams also shared that surveillance video collected thus far has given them insight into the movements of Maddie's vehicle that day. He shared that a van, similar to the van that Maddie

• 19:27Kendall Rae?

  drove, could be seen driving south on Highway 43. Towards Fillmore County and later that same vehicle can be seen traveling north on Highway 43 back towards Winona. And if you remember, Adam claimed to take that same route in Maddie's car. Interesting. But this press conference wasn't about exposing Adam's lies. All the chief said was that Adam had taken a trip in Maddie's van and that when he returned home, Maddie was gone. Just take a listen.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  During the course of our investigation, we know that Maddie returned to her residence on Ferry Drive in Winona around 8:15 a.m. on March 31st. The vehicle that Maddie normally drives is a 2014 dark blue Chrysler Town and Country minivan, depicted to my right. The father of Maddie's children has spoken to law enforcement and told us that he left the residence in Maddie's van around 10 a.m. and upon returning later in the day, Maddie was not home. We believe a van similar to Maddie's van was driven on County Road 12 and Highway 43

• 20:39Speaker 03

  in Winona County and then southbound on Highway 43 through the eastern part of Fillmore County. Later, a van similar to Maddie's traveled back toward Winona on Highway 43. All of this occurred between approximately 10 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. We believe the van remained parked in the driveway of Maddie's residence from 1:30 p.m. Nothing to date has indicated that Maddie left the residence on foot or in another vehicle.

• 21:12Kendall Rae?

  And then later in this press conference, it was also shared that her jacket, phone, wallet, and ID were found and that areas by her residence and along Highway 43 were being searched.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Inside the residence, investigators located Maddie's phone, the jacket she had been wearing earlier in the morning, along with her wallet and ID. Maddie's family and friends tried to contact Maddie throughout the day on March 31st without success. It was unlike her not to respond.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  Based on all of this, we believe Maddie's disappearance is involuntary, suspicious, and we are all concerned for her safety. Law enforcement began searching areas nearby Maddie's residence and along Highway 43 in both Winona and Fillmore Counties. Our search efforts have been ongoing.

• 22:06Kendall Rae?

  And when it came to search efforts in this case, like I said earlier, Winona has a strong community and people showed out in numbers that we almost never see. The weekend of April 7th, there were several large-scale search efforts going on with over 2,000 volunteers. The amount of people that came to help perform ground searches was so overwhelming that they were able to cover all of Winona and about 24 miles south into Rushford. There was truly an outpouring of support for Maddie and for the Kingsbury family, and I can only imagine how much this must have meant to them in those times. Maddie has been described as a daughter of Winona because it's where she was born and raised, and everyone, including the mayor, made it their mission to find her.

• 22:50Kendall Rae?

  Even her brother Steven, who was stationed overseas in active duty, flew home to help be part of the search. Now, that massive search was officially called off by April 10th. However, that was not the end of their search for her. A $50,000 reward was posted, and a press release came out that said they were still actively looking for Maddie with the help of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. Searches by foot, air, and water were still actively going on, especially the water, considering they were right on the Mississippi River. And I also want to give some major recognition to her sister Megan, who jumped right to social media, specifically TikTok, to try and raise awareness about her sister's disappearance.

• 23:31Kendall Rae?

  And TikTok can be a great tool for families to use, so I'm happy they were able to do that.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  TikTok, I need you to do your thing. I need your help. This is my sister, Madeline Kingsbury. She's missing. This is just very basic info that we've put on flyers and things around town. This is a good picture of her, how she looks now, short hair, etc. I'm just gonna leave that in the background. It's now Monday, April 3rd. My family and I are in Winona, Minnesota, working with investigators. Huge...

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Huge groups of people. Um, we had a search party of friends, family and peers. Go out yesterday, nothing. If you want maybe some more details, I don't know what's been released yet, um, by police to media, if anything yet, um, you can Google her name. You can look me up on Facebook, Megan Kingsbury, and my posts about her with her information are shareable, so please share. If you know anyone in Minnesota, in Rochester, Minnesota, La Crosse, Wisconsin, Mable, Minnesota, anyone, Fillmore County, Minnesota, anyone around here, especially if it's you or someone that you know, please share that information. Help us find her.

• 25:00Speaker 04

  She's got two kids. She's my best friend. She's my little sister. We need to get her back. Please help us.

• 25:07Kendall Rae?

  Megan posted updates on her sister's case almost every single day and really played a critical role in rallying support for her sister and the rest of their family since the very beginning. And one thing that I really admire about her is how she kept the focus on Maddie and she held her composure and, you know, delivered these TikToks with grace during such a stressful, I mean, unimaginably painful time. And of course, you have to keep in mind that their family had their own suspicions and theories about what had happened, but at no point did any of them bring any of that in. They kept the focus on the investigation and on Maddie.

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• 26:23Kendall Rae?

  The police had not yet named a suspect or a person of interest in the case at this point. And despite wanting to talk about it, they just knew it wasn't what was best for finding Maddie or getting her justice.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  All right, check in. It's the 24th. It's a Monday. Still have not found my missing sister, Madeline, who's been missing since the 31st of March. If you're new here, I have videos on my page. You can look up her name on Google. Madeline Kingsbury. But yeah, we still have not found her as far as person of interest or suspect. Law enforcement has not named anybody as of right now. So, you know, the questions I get about that, I can't answer. I wish I could, but I just, I can't.

• 27:13Kendall Rae?

  But even if they weren't talking about Adam's possible involvement online, the rumors were swirling. Because, and this will not shock you, I'm sure, but at no point did Adam get involved in any of the search efforts or any of the press conferences at all. Because of course he didn't. He did make a brief, little pathetic plea on Facebook for anyone to come forward with information. But other than that, dude was making zero effort. But of course, he was well aware of the rumors. So on April 12th, he released this statement. "Over the course of the last 12 days, my family and I have been subject to a myriad of accusations regarding the disappearance of the mother of my children, Maddie Kingsbury. During the last 12 days,

• 27:58Kendall Rae?

  I have cooperated with law enforcement at every turn, including sitting down for multiple interviews with Winona County law enforcement. I did not have anything to do with Maddie's disappearance. I want the mother of my five-year-old and two-year-old to be found and brought home safely. I want that more than anything. Law enforcement advised me on April 2nd that they would not recommend that I attend press conferences or that I assist in the searches due to safety concerns. However, my non-attendance and silence has been inferred by many as a sign of apathy, or worse." That could not be any further from the truth. I want Maddie home and for her to be able to be with our two children. God bless the Kingsbury family and please bring her home safely.

• 28:39Kendall Rae?

  So from that you can tell the reason he claimed that he wasn't showing up for any searches or wasn't participating in anything is because law enforcement told him not to. And guess what? That is not true. And we know that because law enforcement released a statement of their own, basically saying, yeah, we never said that. Maddie's family also released a statement that day and it reads in part, "Nothing in life prepares you for this. The disappearance of our daughter and sister has been a waking nightmare with no respite. In the days and nights since Madeline disappeared, the immediate family and extended family have collectively and individually been experiencing emotions and trials that someone who has never been suddenly thrust into this horrific situation could ever imagine."

• 29:24Kendall Rae?

  It then goes on to say, "We will continue to search for Madeline. We will not give up and our family will come out of the other side of this forever changed, but forever grateful for the tireless dedication of so many helpers, friends, and relatives. People in law enforcement, other first responders, social workers, caseworkers, legal professionals, child advocates, and many, many more." And I'm so glad that their family got so much support. That isn't always the case for everyone, but like they said, nothing in life could possibly prepare you for a situation like this. And Maddie being missing wasn't the only thing that they were dealing with and fighting for. They also had to fight for the custody of her kids. And Adam, of course, did not make that easy.

• 30:06Kendall Rae?

  Right around the time that rumors were swirling about his involvement, it was reported that he was uncooperative when handing over custody of the kids. Right after Maddie disappeared, he had both their kids with him at his parents' place. But it turns out that he never had legal custody over the kids to begin with because he and Maddie weren't married. So four days into her disappearance, the Department of Health and Human Services were called to take the kids into their custody. And of course, Adam put up quite the fight. Court documents say that he became non-cooperative with officials, that he locked the children inside the house, and That a social worker could hear him shouting expletives. He obviously eventually gave the kids over because he had no other choice, but clearly it wasn't willingly.

• 30:50Kendall Rae?

  And after all this, a judge ruled that the kids would remain in the custody of the Kingsbury family. And that's exactly where they should be, if you ask me. And while we're on the topic of Adam and the shit he tried to pull, I need to start going over what else investigators were able to find out about him and his relationship with Maddie. So in the midst of trying to find Maddie, investigators turned to her family and friends to try to learn as much as they could about what was going on in her life, of course. And I did already share some of these details, but there is more. For starters, Meghan wasn't the only one that knew about Adam's Gabby Petito comment, the one about if she didn't listen up, she was going to end up just like her. She had actually confided in several people about this comment,

• 31:34Kendall Rae?

  and they had begged her to report him. But she was afraid, understandably, she was afraid that he would be arrested, and she was worried about what effect that would have on her children. Maddie also confided in her parents about other times when Adam had choked her. And actually, in one instance, her dad and her stepmom drove over to her house and took her and the kids back to their place where they knew that the three of them would be safe. But she only stayed for three days because apparently Adam was mad that she left in the first place. Her father, David, had actually warned Maddie that he was afraid that he actually may kill her. And, you know, this is not victim blaming in any way, but she definitely minimized what was going on.

• 32:17Kendall Rae?

  It was almost like she was trying to convince herself that that wouldn't happen, that that was not the reality that she was in. And I think, you know, it's really hard to understand what it would be like to be in that situation when you have children involved. It makes leaving so much more difficult. And as we know, she was in the process of leaving. So I do not want to see any victim blaming comments. She should have done this. She should have said that. There's no point, it is not helpful, and we're just gonna move right along here. And now I actually want to read you a text exchange between Maddie and Adam. And I think it's really going to put into perspective how abusive and horrible he was to her. But before I get into these messages, I just want to let you know, just want to give you a warning

• 33:01Kendall Rae?

  that these are very disturbing, could be very triggering to some of you out there. If you have experienced abuse, know someone who has or are currently experiencing this type of manipulation and abuse. And if you are, I am going to have resources in the description box for you. If you are currently experiencing domestic violence. Maddie said, "You know, I'm really not okay with or over the fact that you put your hand around my neck and pushed me down in front of the kids earlier, so don't. Not okay with it at all, but especially with them there." And then Adam responded, "You'll adjust." That's right, "You'll adjust the nerve of this fucking guy." So then she responds and says, "The fuck I will. You do that again without asking me and you can go somewhere else."

• 33:46Kendall Rae?

  And he responded, "You got it, mother." And that right there just shows you how manipulative this man is. Maddie then says, "Don't patronize me, that crossed a line." And Adam goes, "Then mind." And Maddie lastly replied by just saying, "Stop." So yeah, those messages are just absolutely horrific and really tell you everything you need to know about Adam. And there are more stories like that, actually. There was a friend of hers who told investigators that one night they were FaceTiming. And while they were on the phone FaceTiming, Adam slapped Maddie in the face. And what makes it even more upsetting is that apparently Maddie was holding her daughter when this happened. She was holding her in one arm, FaceTiming with the other, and Adam came in upset about

• 34:29Kendall Rae?

  something and just slapped her across the face. And that same friend told investigators that there were multiple times where they were FaceTiming and she observed bruises on Maddie's face. And she told them that Adam had threatened to kill her if she ever left him, which at this point, that's not surprising to hear at all. And so just think about that. He said that if she ever left him, he would- And what was she in the process of doing when she disappeared? She was in the process of leaving him. And she was also very vocal in the week leading up to her disappearance that Adam was making her feel uncomfortable. She told her mom that he was following her around the house, sort of looming over her. And she said that she didn't feel comfortable even being there.

• 35:14Kendall Rae?

  So her mom suggested that she stay at her friend Katie's house. And she did end up going over there for a few hours, but then she went to see Spencer and celebrate his birthday. And if you need a reminder, Spencer is the guy that she had reconnected with from college. And it turns out Spencer was actually in the same fraternity with Adam. He said they never really had many conversations, like he did not know him well. And obviously he knew things about him from Maddie. But the two of them are really starting to build a beautiful relationship together. Maddie had, according to him, told him that she loved him. And oh, it broke my heart, listening to his interviews. He's talking about how he wishes he had said it back.

• 35:55Kendall Rae?

  And he feels that his future disappeared the day that she did. And for anyone wondering, Spencer has been completely cleared by investigators. There's no motive and he had a rock solid alibi. Adam, on the other hand, not so much, right? And everything, and I really do mean everything, was pointing to him being the person responsible for Maddie's disappearance.

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• 36:55Kendall Rae?

  So let's start going over more of the concrete evidence against him, okay? Starting with that video surveillance that I mentioned earlier, which contradicted his version of events. At 9:44 a.m. on March 31st, a neighbor's security camera captured a person in the driveway of Maddie's house wearing a light colored coat, and they can be seen walking up to her minivan and then removing the front license plate. Interesting. And then this person can be seen three minutes later putting on a new one. Next, at 9:55 a.m., that same person gets into her van, and by 10 a.m., the van is no longer in the driveway. Then at 10:02 a.m., the same van can be seen at a nearby gas station, and someone who matches the description of Adam Fravel can be seen pumping gas.

• 37:40Kendall Rae?

  And if you remember, Adam told authorities that he had went and put gas into Maddie's car. Oh, and by the way, when investigators ran the plates, they were registered to Adam. So in what world would he need to put his plates on her car to drive boxes over to his parents' house? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? And when investigators went to their house later that night after that friend had called for the welfare check, Maddie's original plates were back on her van. Okay? I'm sorry, but that is so, so suspicious. And then next, at 10:31 a.m., Maddie's van is seen back in her driveway. And like we know, Adam said that he came home after getting gas to load the boxes into her car.

• 38:25Kendall Rae?

  Then, almost a full hour later, at 11:26 a.m., the van is seen leaving their driveway again. For the next 30 minutes or so, a vehicle that matches the description of Maddie's van is observed on multiple surveillance cameras traveling south on Highway 43 in the direction of Rushford, Choice, and Mable, which, may I remind you, is the same direction that Adam said he drove her van, leading any intelligent, reasonable person to assume that the person seen driving the van was Adam himself. However, according to Adam, he had left his home around 10 10:30 a.m. and was back by noon to find that Maddie wasn't home.

• 39:06Kendall Rae?

  But according to the digital evidence, he left around 11:26 a.m. and wasn't home until about 1:30 p.m. And that same digital evidence suggests that there was a 45-minute window of time where the van is just completely unaccounted for. From 11:59 a.m. to 12:44 p.m., there is no footage to suggest where he went or what he did. But what we do know is that at 12:44 p.m., the van was seen traveling in the opposite direction, north on Highway 43, back towards Winona. And then finally, at 1:28 p.m., Maddie's van is seen pulling back into her driveway.

• 39:47Kendall Rae?

  And at no point was Maddie ever seen exiting her house, even though Adam said when he returned, she wasn't there. So riddle me that. Now, I'm sure a lot of you are wondering if at any point Adam was seen, or maybe someone else was seen, you know, since there was surveillance pointing in that direction, carrying something heavy out of their house. And right now, to my knowledge, I'm not sure, to be honest. That doesn't mean that footage doesn't exist. It just hasn't been reported on yet. Now, everything that I just shared with you was information investigators were aware of from very early on. And as you can imagine, this information informed a lot of where they decided to search. Clearly, the van was headed in the direction of Adam's parents' house, but it never quite got there.

• 40:32Kendall Rae?

  It did, however, get as far as Rushford, and so that's where they focused a lot of their searches. And on June 7th, those search efforts paid off. That day, a deputy with the Fillmore County Sheriff's Office was searching a rural area in Fillmore County, and he came across human remains in a culvert wrapped in a gray-fitted bed sheet. Now, a culvert is like a pipe or arched tunnel designed to allow water to flow under a road, and it was in one of those, just off of a gravel road where Maddie was discovered. Her remains were not only wrapped in a bed sheet, but also black gorilla tape had been used to secure the sheet around her body. A medical examiner later revealed in her autopsy that a bath towel had also been

• 41:17Kendall Rae?

  wrapped around her head and her cause of death was listed only as homicidal violence. And obviously, this was a huge discovery for the investigation, but it was unimaginably devastating to her loved ones and to the whole community. I mean, heartbreaking really doesn't even begin to describe it. Law enforcement has confirmed the remains are those of Madeline Kingsbury.

• 41:41Speaker 06

  Audible sobs from Maddie Kingsbury's friends and loved ones Thursday afternoon after law enforcement confirmed their worst fears had come true. Human remains found in Fillmore County were positively identified as their beloved Maddie.

• 41:58Kendall Rae?

  Now, what's especially interesting about where she was found is the fact that this road is on a property that had been routinely maintained by one or more members of Adam's family. It wasn't their property specifically, but it is property that they were all pretty familiar with. And what's also interesting is that this area had been searched before, but I guess her body had been concealed in a way that the first time they checked this area, they didn't end up finding her. And I don't think as parents, as siblings, as friends, as loved ones, as a community, that anything could prepare you for a discovery like this. I mean, of course, their goal had always been to find Maddie, but even as the weeks went by, they tried to hold out hope that maybe she was

• 42:43Kendall Rae?

  still alive. And now that they knew that she wasn't, their focus turned 100% to finding her killer. Thankfully, though, an arrest came very quickly. The same day that Maddie's remains were found, Adam Fravel was arrested at his parents' house on two counts of second degree murder. He was held in the Winona County Jail following his arrest, and his bond was initially set at $1 million. The last 69 days have been frustrating.

• 43:12Speaker 07

  of heartache and pain for the family, law enforcement, and the community. But during this time, the family never gave up. Law enforcement never gave up. The community never gave up.

• 43:29Kendall Rae?

  And at the end of June, a public memorial service was held at Winona State University. And just like this community had showed up for this family in searching for Maddie, they also showed up big in helping honor her.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Maddie Kingsbury's family and friends reflecting on her life and her death at a memorial in Winona. It was that community that came together to help find Maddie and bring her home. And now they are together again, but this time they are remembering her life and all the lives that she touched.

• 43:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, today, our cameras stayed outside out of respect to Maddie's family, but inside, a live stream captured a lot of emotion.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  The path to healing will be long and twisted. The destination seemingly out of reach.

• 44:14Speaker 07

  On the campus of Winona State University, family, friends, and strangers from across southern Minnesota gathered one last time. For more than two months, they've come together in the search for Maddie Kingsbury. On Sunday, the community gathered again, not to search, but to mourn. Rightfully so. We are angry and hurt and at times bereft of any feelings at all. We now only recently have been able to try and grieve and someday heal, and it will take a long time. That's okay. It's important that we don't let these feelings overshadow what an absolute gift she was.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Madeline is no longer alone, and she's no longer suffering. Madeline's spirit will live on in her children, her family and friends, and in the community here in Winona that she loved so much. We will forever remain loud for Madeline.

• 45:06Kendall Rae?

  Then in October of that year, Adam was indicted by a grand jury on additional charges, including two counts of first-degree murder, in addition to his two counts of second-degree murder. And if convicted, he is set to face a sentence of life in prison without parole. And his bail was reset at $3 million.

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• 45:59Kendall Rae?

  Now, I've already shared a lot of evidence with you, but there's actually more to go over, so let's get into that. So after Adam's arrest, several sealed documents were unsealed and released to the public, and I want to go over some of the main findings that I haven't already talked about. Remember earlier when I said that some of the items they found in the house ended up having significance later on? Well, that evidence ended up being a roll of black gorilla tape as well as a fitted bed sheet that was missing from an air mattress. And considering that now Maddie had been found wrapped in a fitted bed sheet with black gorilla tape wrapped around it, they realized that this was connected.

• 46:42Kendall Rae?

  Investigators also believe that they can match the towel wrapped around Maddie's head to a towel that she and Adam owned. These unsealed documents also revealed information from a search warrant that was executed on Adam's parents' house back on April 7th. And it turns out that investigators not only found several electronic devices thrown out into a dumpster on the property, but near that dumpster was a burn pit with what appeared to be a piece of a heavily burned laptop. Now, I'm not entirely sure what evidence was retrieved from that device, however, it's a burned laptop. A burned laptop is a burned laptop. It, you know, doesn't look good no matter how you spin it. And then there was this.

• 47:23Kendall Rae?

  10 days after her disappearance, a neighbor of Adam's parents was going through their trail cam footage when they spotted Adam driving a Polaris Ranger UTV near their property with what appeared to be the handle of a shovel in the bed of the vehicle. And after comparing some footage, officers confirmed that the shovel seen on the trail cam was a match to a shovel seen on body cam footage from their home. And here's why that matters. Investigators ended up bringing in two cadaver dogs and both dogs independently alerted in the bed of the UTV as well as on that shovel. Now, his family has tried to make excuses for this and it pisses me off because it is just so ridiculous on so many levels.

• 48:08Kendall Rae?

  But they tried to say that that is because that week Adam's dad had moved a dead raccoon with that same shovel and that that's why the dogs had alerted on it. But these dogs are trained to alert on human remains. Now, one of the next big things outlined in these documents is the fact that Adam appeared to go to great lengths to conceal his location, starting the day before she went missing. On March 30th, it turns out Adam had turned off the geolocation tracking feature on his phone, as well as the location services for each of his four Gmail accounts. And get this, Adam had removed the home security system that he had installed in him and Maddie's

• 48:50Kendall Rae?

  house, as well as the home security system that was installed in his parents' house. Hmm, interesting. And not only had he taken these security systems down, he also removed the SD cards from them. Now, this won't come as much of a surprise to you, but of course, Adam and his attorneys have argued that the reason he took down the system at their house was because they were in the process of moving. But that doesn't explain at all why they were removed from his parents' house as well. They weren't moving. Plus, Adam had actually studied computer science before he had dropped out, and many have said that he was very tech savvy. So let's go over all of the big pieces of evidence here, just so that we're all on the same page, okay? So we've got the countless stories that detail the abuse that Maddie was experiencing

• 49:35Kendall Rae?

  at the hands of Adam Frame. We have the Gorilla Tape and the missing bed sheet from their home that appear to be connected to the tape and bed sheet that were found around her body. There's the fact that Adam's whereabouts don't- align with the movements of Maddie's van that day, including a 45-minute window where the car is just unaccounted for. And let's not forget, the license plate was swapped on her van as well. And we know he also turned off his geolocation on his phone and his email accounts, as well as removed the home surveillance from his property and his parents' property. Not to mention the trail camera that showed Adam riding around in a utility vehicle with a shovel. And both the vehicle and the shovel were alerted on by cadaver dogs. So let's get into talking about motive, because that really pushes things over the edge. First of all,

• 50:19Kendall Rae?

  as a reminder, we know that Adam allegedly told Maddie that if she left him, he would kill her. So there's a motive right there. But prosecutors argued that the reason that Adam killed Maddie was because of financial stress that he was experiencing. And back in April, he admitted to law enforcement that he depended on her financially. And now that she was leaving his sorry ass and moving on, potentially with someone else, which I'm sure he didn't like that either, that financial support wasn't going to be there anymore, was it? They also believe that Maddie's $170,000 death benefit may also have something to do with it. And I agree. Now, she didn't have Adam listed as the beneficiary. She actually didn't have anyone listed, so the money would have gone to her kids. And maybe

• 51:03Kendall Rae?

  in his delusional, stupid little mind, he thought that somehow that money was going to come to him. So with all that being said, let's get into the trial, shall we? Starting with the preliminary hearings. So those picked up in January of 2024. And over the course of the next few months, the defense would end up filing a ton of motions. The big ones include a motion to dismiss the charge of first-degree murder, as well as a motion to suppress Adam's interview from April 2nd, and a motion for a change of venue. Basically, they didn't think there was enough evidence to charge Adam with first-degree murder. Okay, and...

• 51:37Kendall Rae?

  Thankfully, that motion was denied. As for Adam's interview from April 2nd, they argued that he wasn't read his Miranda rights, but a judge did, in fact, rule it as admissible. And while that part was good news, the bad news is the audio and video from his interviews were all suppressed, which means we will not be able to see them or hear them. Now, when it came to the change of venue, however, a judge did rule in their favor. And that's basically because of the publicity that this case got in Winona. There was really no way that Adam was going to receive a fair trial there. And the decision was actually largely due to the fact that the defense put out a survey in Winona asking if people had heard about the case and had already made a decision about Adam's guilt or lack thereof.

• 52:22Kendall Rae?

  And a lot of people said yes. So instead, he was tried at the Blue Earth County Justice Center in Moncado, Minnesota. And about a month before trial began, a pre-trial hearing was held where a lot of Maddie's friends took the stand to testify regarding Adam's alleged abuse, his financial dependence, and also his lack of parenting. And this hearing basically aimed to address which evidence and testimony could or could not be admitted during the trial. Now, the good news is a judge did decide that a lot of the evidence and testimony could be admitted. However, there were a few things that could not, and here they are. There was no testimony allowed about some statements Maddie made regarding her concerns for her safety

• 53:07Kendall Rae?

  prior to her disappearance. No testimony regarding general, nonspecific statements of abuse by Maddie. No statements regarding a conversation that Maddie had with a friend about how to leave an abusive relationship. And no statements Maddie made to a friend the week she went missing alleging about taking a child to the emergency room. And I know you guys probably have questions about some of those things. Unfortunately, they're not things I can answer because there's not information available regarding those. Something else that was really interesting and frustrating to me is that a judge ruled that nobody in the courtroom could wear anything that symbolized Maddie in any way. Like, they couldn't wear any t-shirts, or even things like pins or ribbons, anything that related to Maddie in any way, or even violence against

• 53:52Kendall Rae?

  women. And I guess I understand why. I mean, I think the judge just was concerned that wearing anything like that would compromise the jury's impartiality. But it's still just upsetting and frustrating to me that her family, her loved ones, the community couldn't come together in that type of unity. I don't know. I get it. It's just, yeah, it's frustrating. Also, the judge ended up ruling in favor of the defense's request to sequester the witnesses, which just means that anyone who is testifying in the case can't sit in the courtroom before they take the stand. And the point of it is basically to prevent a witness from changing their testimony to match someone else's, whether

• 54:32Kendall Rae?

  that's consciously or subconsciously. And lastly, and this is a biggie, cameras were not permitted in the courtroom. Now, this was something that was actually at the request of Maddie's family, who wanted privacy during the trial, and I support that 1,000%. Now, as far as the trial itself, it happened very recently, and that began with jury selection on October 7. And because witnesses were sequestered, several members of Maddie's family were not able to sit in the courtroom as testimony kicked off. And I've spent most of this episode going through the case and the evidence against Adam, so I'm not going to make you sit through all of that again. I just want to highlight some of the key elements from the trial to give you a bit of an overview. As for opening statements,

• 55:13Kendall Rae?

  I think we all have a pretty good idea of the direction the prosecution went. They basically laid out the circumstances of the case and explained how the evidence will show that Adam Fravel was the person responsible for Maddie's disappearance and her death. And as for the defense, their strategy was to argue that investigators zeroed in on Adam and didn't consider other evidence that could point to other suspects. They also argued that the stories of abuse were unreliable and that Adam and Maddie's separation was amicable. And get this, they even said that any bruising that family or friends saw on Maddie's neck was from rough sex, which-

• 55:52Kendall Rae?

  I don't know about you guys, I think that is straight up offensive and just completely dismissive of her abuse.

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• 56:56Kendall Rae?

  So when testimony began that first week, it was mostly from officers and investigators, and it was described as very clinical, kind of just going over all the investigative efforts. And then in the days that followed, the jury also heard from the medical examiner, who provided more insight into Maddie's cause of death. As I mentioned earlier, it was listed as homicidal violence, but he added that asphyxiation was most likely what killed her. The body cam footage from both Adam's conversations with investigators on April 1 and 2 were also played for the jury, and his comments about Gabby Petito were addressed as well. Of course, that digital evidence was also a big topic of conversation, as well as Adam's efforts to conceal his location.

• 57:40Kendall Rae?

  And then on October 29, Maddie's parents took the stand, and they each talked about Maddie and Adam's tumultuous relationship. And not only did they mention that Adam was of no help when it came to the kids, but they also each testified about times when Maddie had confided in them about the abuse that she was experiencing. I guess in November of 2020, they were actually living with Maddie. Dad and David was so fed up with Adam's behavior that he literally kicked him out and never spoke to him again after that. In total, the prosecution called 68 witnesses to testify and they all took the stand over the course of 10 days. Now, as for the defense, they presented their entire case in under three hours and only

• 58:23Kendall Rae?

  called five witnesses to testify. And Adam was not one of those people. His brother, on the other hand, did testify and he said that Adam was not a violent person and that he adored the children. And to my understanding, it's not just the brother that believes Adam is innocent. I know that his sister does as well from an interview that I saw and from other sources. I think their entire family believes he is innocent and has stood by him. The jury, on the other hand, not so much and we'll get to that in a second. So a neighbor also testified for the defense that he saw Adam and Maddie playing with their kids together outside of the house. And some deputies also testified about their search efforts in the area where her body was ultimately found.

• 59:08Kendall Rae?

  But like I said, though, the defense literally wrapped up their case in about three hours. Yeah. So closing arguments wrapped up on November 6th and just 10 hours later. On the 7th, the jury came back with their verdict and Adam Fravel was found guilty on all counts. And both counts of first degree murder carry a mandatory sentence of life in prison. However, there will be an official sentencing hearing on December 17th back in Winona. Now, Adam was actually seen crying in the courtroom just before the jury came back in. And this is just my personal thoughts, but I really think those were tears for himself and not tears for Maddie or her family and friends who are going to suffer and deal

• 59:51Kendall Rae?

  with this pain for the rest of their lives. I mean, the verdict is great, great news, and I'm so happy that he is going to pay for what he did in a really big way, but it is never going to bring Maddie back. I hope he spends the rest of his miserable life crying. I hope he feels like absolute shit forever. I hope his dreams, his every waking moment is haunted by what he did because not only did he do that to Maddie and to everyone who loved her, but he did that to his own children. He took their mother away. She is gone because of him and spending the rest of his life behind bars is the least that can be done to rectify this situation. Her

• 1:00:34Kendall Rae?

  family gave a statement after the verdict was read, saying that they were glad with the outcome, but that there was no joy for the same reasons that I just shared. Words can just not express how devastated I am and so many are for this family. And I'm also just so impressed by their strength, by the way they've conducted themselves, handled everything with such grace through unbelievable pain. And I just hope that they're able to breathe a little bit easier now, knowing that Adam was at least found guilty and is going to pay for what he did. So this week, on behalf of Maddie, I am making a contribution to my foundation, the Higher Hope Foundation. And we are going

• 1:01:15Kendall Rae?

  to be looking out for applications that fall into the domestic violence category. It's something that we feel really strongly about helping as many people as we can in that area. And I hope that this is a way that we can honor Maddie. Also, if you would like to show Maddie's family some additional support, there are a few ways that you can help. They have a Facebook page, which I'll link below, called Finding Madeline Kingsbury. They use this page to post a lot of updates, as well as sell Justice for Maddie merch. And all the proceeds from that will be used to help their family recoup the money that they have spent on lodging to stay near the trial, as well as any money they've lost as a result of this tragedy. There's also a GoFundMe, which I will link below. This

• 1:01:59Kendall Rae?

  was originally to help fund their search efforts. And now I imagine that any new funds will go towards helping the family through the aftermath of all of this, including supporting her two kids. Which, by the way, I'm sure a lot of you are curious about this. The children are thankfully in the custody of the Kingsbury family. Those children have gone through a tremendous amount of trauma and they probably will continue to.

• 1:02:22Kendall Rae?

  Go through that trauma and processing for a very long time. My heart truly goes out to them and it goes out to everyone who loved Maddie and who lost someone that was so special. I mean, really what a loss to the world. She was incredibly smart, incredibly driven, was going to help a lot of people. I mean, to be working at the Mayo Clinic was so huge. And I don't know how to describe Adam other than just such a fucking loser. And the fact that he took her life in the end of all this, it's just, ah, it's so draining. It's so upsetting. There just aren't even words. But I'm just really, really thankful, really, really happy that in the end, justice is being served.

• 1:03:10Kendall Rae?

  That is going to be it for me today, guys. Thank you for joining me for another episode. And make sure you follow the show on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. It really does help me out. If you want to watch the video version of this show, you can find it on my YouTube channel, which will be linked, or you can just search Kendall Rae. I will be back with another episode soon, but until then, stay safe out there.

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