Aston DBX Review; Ferrari Record Nonsense; AI on BaT?

Matt Farah reviews the new 717HP Aston Martin DBX; he and Zack Klapman talk about their time in a modified Ferrari 458 and how it might reinvigorate interest in the aging legend; an auction of prancing horses makes no sense; an old Cadillac listing has some VERY strange pictures; and we answer Patreon questions including: Is the 2014-2018 Audi RS7 a good replacement for my Golf R? Is the GTS model of a Porsche EV worth it? Crazier: $1.8M for a Ferrari 360CS or $18M for an Enzo? How would we want to "be the hero"? Why do people call fast Audis boring but fast VWs great? Do boring cars get better the faster you drive? What to replace my lifted 4Runner with? Most successful ICE brand that pivoted to EV? WHAT is happening with this 1999 Cadillac listing? Which car has the worst drivers? How did Breitling come back? Replace my PPF? And more? Recorded January 19, 2026 Show Notes Fitbod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://www. Fitbod.me/TIRE. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Athletic Greens For a limited time only, get a FREE AG1 duffel bag and FREE AG1 Welcome Kit with your first subscription order! https://www. DRINK AG1. COM/TIRE. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What's up everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. Look, when you're out on the road this winter, going skiing, going back to college, wherever it is you're going, drive protected. Wrap it up, you know what I mean? Figuratively speaking, with Off the Record. If you get pulled over and ticketed for a moving violation of any kind, don't plead guilty, get off the record. You feel me? Off the Record will send a qualified attorney to fight that ticket for you, no matter where that jurisdiction is. And if they don't get those points off your record, you don't have to pay. They'll deal with the prosecutor, the judge, the corrupt county

• 0:42Matt Farah?

  sheriff, they'll jump a car over a river if they have to get those points off your record. Go to offtherecord.com/tst. That's offtherecord.com/tst to get 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. One more time, offtherecord.com/tst. All right, on this episode of the program, I review the Aston Martin DBX that I drove for a week. That's the DBX-S. Also, Zach and I had a little go in a prototype of a Gunther Works reimagined, remastered, re-something Ferrari 458. We talk about an insane Ferrari

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  auction result down in Florida, and someone has been using a little bit of the old AI on Bring a Trailer listings with hilarious results. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. That part is nice. I'm the last person on the fucking earth that writes checks. I'm probably the youngest person. I'm probably the youngest person writing checks today.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, once I figured out I could pay- I could, I could pay all the people for driver's test via like Zelle or whatever, then checks are out. It's great.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  I, I like checks. I, I'll, I'll, it's a waste of paper. It's a waste of money on stamps. And yet, I, because of this, it's the same as this, because of hand to paper. I, I know, I kind of know if the bill has been paid or not, you know.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  You have way more bills being paid and I think you need to keep track of way more of it, yeah.

• 2:24Matt Farah?

  Not, you know, the king of fucking checks is Marco. Marco at TLG, this motherfucker, he's probably listening, probably listening right now.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33Matt Farah?

  This motherfucker pays all his vendors with checks. Like every part he buys for customer cars, he writes a fucking check for that.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:43Matt Farah?

  He told me how much time he spends writing checks? I went, what the fuck?

• 2:48Speaker 01

  What, what, he learns about credit cards?

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Well, cause his, I mean, this, I mean, obviously Marco manages a few other people, but, but, but his, his, for him, time is real. I mean, he's billable hours. I was like, bro, you, you could be billing this hours to, to somebody. For me, to do, I do about 50 checks a month, I think. That's probably what I do.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Okay. How long does each check take? Let's say you have the bill in front of you, you've got the check and the pen.

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  I would say like, I would say like three, three days a month, I spent, three to four days a month. I spend 15 to 30 minutes writing checks. Which isn't, which is acceptable to me. That's like, my time is on a, on a, on a, my office time is not that valuable. That I can, I can do that. It doesn't bother me at all. But like, you know, Marco's got what, eight, 10 hours in, in a day? And he charges fucking whatever, you know, 275 an hour or whatever he charges to build motors. If he's doing an hour and a half of checks every day.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't think he's doing that many a day.

• 3:53Matt Farah?

  No, he is.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Ninety minutes a day?

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  That's what he said. He told me he's doing an hour of checks a day.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  That's too many.

• 3:57Matt Farah?

  That's too many.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, I thought he took like a thirty minute, you know, he can have a coffee, he can chill, he can go, especially in the summer in his, you know, his, well, his new building, I think, is air-conditioned, but the old one, no AC, but his office is air-conditioned.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  It just seems like-

• 4:10Speaker 01

  So he can go chill for a little bit.

• 4:11Matt Farah?

  And look, I-

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Marco, ninety minutes.

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  Guy's a successful business owner, he's got, he's got a great, great house, his kids are taken care of, he's got fun toys. I'm not trying to criticize. He's got a fucking-

• 4:21Speaker 01

  He's got a system.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  It takes like eight months to get in the door at that place. It's not like he's got a problem with business, but like, you know. That's the thing, I guess, you know what, here's the thing, here's the thing. I just, I just solved it in my own head. He is essentially a, a, a, a customs agent in Charles de Gaulle Airport. When you have an eight-month backlog, it's, if I'm, if I'm gonna take an hour a day to write checks, like, you'll be, you'll be ready when I get to you.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  I think there's some of that.

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  I think that, I think I've just solved that, yeah. I hadn't, I hadn't really thought that all the way through when I started down the road, but now, it makes sense. If you've traveled through Charles de Gaulle with a tight layover, he's behind that window.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  We could automate the process, but it's less romantic.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  Yes, it was stamp your passport after the cigarettes.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:16Matt Farah?

  But my plane, it's, now, you should have tried harder.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  This is not America.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  This is not America.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Take a break, have a good song.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  It's not America, no.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Relax.

• 5:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's great.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  You know, maybe a little revolution, maybe a little protest.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  I shouldn't be so mean. I shouldn't be so mean to France. I like France. And Charles de Gaulle's really turned it around, actually.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  They have.

• 5:41Matt Farah?

  Charles de Gaulle has legit turned it around.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Beautiful airport.

• 5:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, they finally started giving a little bit of a fuck, if you make your point.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  They also understand the effectiveness of, uh-

• 5:52Speaker 01

  How do I say this without our whole channel getting canceled?

• 5:55Matt Farah?

  Protest?

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, you know, they really, they really get together.

• 5:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes. The French know how to fucking protest.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  It's really in their DNA.

• 6:02Matt Farah?

  They will shut shit down.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  You know who's really got the fucking horsepower to shut shit down? I'm just saying. Garbage men. Fucking garbage men.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Oh, they did that New York thing, right?

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  I remember like when I went to Scotland two years ago on vacation, went to Edinburgh during the bin man strike.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  Fuck, man. It was gross as hell, but I was, I was like, I was so for the garbage. They were getting fucked. They were outright getting fucked and they were like, haha, no we're not. It took a little bit.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Eventually, they, they go, wait, what are these numbers? Okay.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  There is an amount of trash that virtually everyone will find unacceptable and it doesn't take very long to get there.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  I think that happened in New York City. Like, New York City is weird because they, they put the trash bags like on the street anyway and then the garbage picks them up, which my first time there.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Looks really weird.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  It's, that's a fucking wild thing.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  But when you see the strike happen, you go, oh, the mountain could be much higher. So it's not, it's not a pile, it turns into a mountain.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's, I think, I think Zorron can fix that problem. I think that's a fixable problem.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  What, like a new garbage?

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  Like, you know.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  System?

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  Garbage funds allocated to bins that the garbage actually goes into.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  I think they, I think it's a space issue. I mean, you've been, you know, New York, like every building, if they're jammed next to each other, where do you put that big dumpster?

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  We're gonna have to give up some of the free parking in New York City to make that happen.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Oh, like the street parking?

• 7:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  I don't think that's a good idea. The people that need the free parking.

• 7:34Matt Farah?

  Pave Paradise. Pave Paradise argues that, that that is actually an incredibly poor use of resources, free parking in New York City. That's some of the most valuable land on the planet and it's being given away for free.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Now, but how do we determine value? Cause if people who live in the buildings, and let's say they've lived there for 50 years.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  They need their car.

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  They have free parking. They don't, they can't afford to pay for a lot. They can't afford to pay to park. Now you want to turn their land into something that's more commercially viable? Is that what you're saying?

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  No, trash. I want the trash to not be on the sidewalk. That's what I'm talking about.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  I love that private equity was with you until you went to trash.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  I didn't say commercially viable. I said fucking trash, dude. I want to turn a couple spaces a block into a public utility where the trash goes. That's what I'm talking about.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Okay, so like one, I don't know. I don't know anything about the volume of garbage.

• 8:29Matt Farah?

  I didn't say get rid of all the parking. That's not what I said, but.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  But if I'm objecting as your opponent, yes you do.

• 8:34Matt Farah?

  Whether you are an urbanist, or a capitalist, or someone that believes in like effective use of like public lands and the proportional value of the, any way you look at it, free parking in Manhattan, from any angle, even the rightiest righty free mart is giving that away is bad for everybody. Like, it's, yeah. The High Cost of Free Parking by Donald Shoup is a must read, as well as Paved Paradise by Henry Grabar. Must, must reads. Very, very interesting stuff. You want to fucking, I'll go parking all day. I'll go seven hours on parking if we have to. Nobody wanted to listen to that podcast, but Henry was great.

• 9:18Matt Farah?

  I thought he was super interesting. Anyway, cars, I guess.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:23Matt Farah?

  There are cars. We could talk about cars.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Let's talk about the DBX.

• 9:26Matt Farah?

  The DBX? I, uh, I, this is a niche vehicle, obviously, because clearly everybody can afford a $409,000 SUV. So why does it bear?

• 9:42Speaker 01

  If your parking's free.

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  If you're free.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  You have more money to buy a car.

• 9:46Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what. If you get one of these and street park it in New York City, you're hard as fuck and I'm here for it. I like that.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I could park, I could park a dollar car here, right? Or I could lease a car.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  So this is my creative math as your political opponent to prove that parking should remain free in New York City. Back to the DBX. It works out.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, what did you, what did you just say? You could park a dollar car here.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  The cost, the cost of parking a car at WCCS.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Is X.

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Now, I could take that exact amount of money if I had free parking. And then I could just lease a pretty nice new car.

• 10:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  But if parking's not free and I have to pay these, these prices, which are fair for the market.

• 10:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  And for the services.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Um, but if I have to pay these prices, then I can't afford that car.

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  I'm gonna have the red string behind me soon.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Go back, go back to the Aston, I'm way up there.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  What I like, why this, why this is worth talking about actually, to me, is that it's not a platform shared vehicle. Like, it's not like, like an Urus, you, you go drive an Audi Q8 and you go, oh yeah, I can, there's a lot that's kind of the same here. Um, not to disrespect Lamborghini, you could say the same thing about a Cayenne or about the little Lexus GX and the Toyota Land Cruze or whatever. It's like, this is not platform shared. And to have a non-platform shared vehicle, um, is like, it's more exclusive. Right? Like, it's, it's not a, it's not a, uh, it's not a tarded up anything.

• 11:29Matt Farah?

  Like, all of the stuff in this is, is this. Like, it's not like a, a GLE Mercedes underneath there.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  Um, and so that, I think, makes it, uh, like the, uh, Purosangue, I guess, more special.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 11:44Matt Farah?

  And that justifies, quote, let's quote, quote justifies, right? Because we're talking about silly, silly rich money. Justifies that it's more expensive than a Cayenne Turbo GT or, or an X5M Competition or some other, uh, of your standard ultra-fast SUV, right?

• 12:03Speaker 01

  But I think it does justify that because when we've done reviews about, you know, uh, Uruses or other cars like that, a lot of the comments will say, it's really just a Q8.

• 12:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  It's just a this underneath, you can get that for less money. Why would you buy this when you could get the same thing effectively, but, you know, different badge, different interior? And it, uh, costs.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  Half the money. So I think that's a legitimate benefit. It's the, it's the thing I like most about it, actually. And then next to that, I actually, I love how these things drive. And so this is the S, the DBXS. So it's, this is now the highest, fastest one. Folks taking a break because support is coming in from FitBod. It's that time of January where you're fighting your New Year's fitness resolution. I stopped making New Year's resolutions. I make whole year resolutions and I have, however, my wife has really

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• 14:23Matt Farah?

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• 16:51Matt Farah?

  It's got a little more horsepower. It's 717 horsepower. Um, so, and there, it's funny because in the marketing, they're like, oh, it's got the turbos from the Valhalla, which is like a very funny thing to say about a car that's not out yet. Um, like, it's not like, like, I'm sure that's good. I'm, it, it's, it makes 10 more horsepower, so like, okay, that, maybe that's, that's how you get 10 more horsepower, and these are more powerful turbos, I kind of understand, but like, we don't actually know if the Valhalla's good. It's like, and I, I, I assume it's, it's gonna be reasonably good, but like,

• 17:29Speaker 01

  It's an excellent marketing term, though. That's what it is.

• 17:31Matt Farah?

  Right, it's got these fucking sick turbos from this other car, and it's like, well, we don't, that, it's not, what, can we try the other car? Anyway, it's a funny thing, but it's just a funny marketing jargon thing. But in practice, what it means is, power band's a little higher. So it just, it, everything's moved up a little bit, because it's got these bigger turbos that, that, um, that take a little longer to spool. So, actually, I think, the base one, which is the 707 now, is a little better for your everyday use. This is a little aggressive in terms of the power band, which doesn't have much below 3,000.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  This is the Perosongwe problem.

• 18:14Matt Farah?

  It's a little bit.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  The V12's amazing, and it sounds great, and it's Ferrari, but,

• 18:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  for a usable SUV,

• 18:21Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  most people want to live in torque land down low.

• 18:24Matt Farah?

  Right. It's a little bit of that. Um, and then also, so, it, the other things that make it really cool, um, it had, well, it has some reprogrammed steering geometry, not the rack, so it's got sharper steering, but without rear steer. Um, that's pretty cool. The steering is really nice. The ride is really good, but it's got, it has these, it has, uh, some weight savings, so it has a new front and rear end, uh, that saves, what's, I don't want to get their number wrong, the new front and rear end saves.

• 18:58Matt Farah?

  The new nose saves seven pounds and the new, the new rear end saves 15 pounds. That's bodywork. The carbon fiber roof saves 40 pounds. And then it has 23 inch magnesium wheels, which uh save 42 pounds of unsprung weight. So the 42 pounds of unsprung weight, like that's a shitload. 10 pounds a corner is pulling a ton of weight out of this car. And so it's incredibly agile. Um, you can get wheel spin in four, in four wheels when you're doing launches with it. It drives great. Now I'd be really worried about driving around on 23 inch magnesium wheels. That's a huge wheel. I'm sure, I mean the tires are tiny.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  22 grand. And if you crack one, I bet you that's the cost to replace one.

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  Cause remember when Ryan broke a magnesium wheel on the way to Luft? It is GT4RS. Oh, yeah. Ryan from Sacramento. So those, those magnesium wheels are like, they're like 13 or 15,000 dollars when you buy them with the white sock pack on Porsche. And he broke one and Porsche wanted 19 for one. So I don't think that's a uniquely Porsche problem. I think these wheels are probably sold at a loss. You know, on the car and uh as part of a package, they, they, they bleed the cost into something else. Right. And like really light wheels work. Like they help the car do everything better.

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  But also they're all just so fucking expensive. Like I would be so nervous about driving around LA. Like, like wait till you see my road and track column this month. It's all about these wheels and the potholes that we got during the rainstorm. Like that's my whole column this month.

• 20:57Matt Farah?

  It's so, this car, like, it's gotten pretty, like, they've really, really dialed in, like, the stroll era of Aston Martin, DB12, the updated Vantage to where it is now, this, the 707, and now this, the new Vanquish, like, pretty on point, honestly. Pretty, pretty good. These are very desirable cars.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  The DBX 707, when we drove it, we're like, this is the one. All these attributes you're talking about.

• 21:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Fun to drive, handled well, felt pretty agile, sounded great, looked amazing, had better shock tuning than the lesser one, like, all of that stuff was already true, so I'm glad they didn't ruin it.

• 21:37Matt Farah?

  No.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  And then they just update, this was probably the car that, I don't know, needed, like, the least updating, because some of the other ones, the interiors were just so cheap feeling, compared to the cost of the car, the speed, and sometimes the exterior. But like, I think the redesign they've done with their flagship cars, inside and out, has really been something to celebrate.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  And this was like, they didn't mess with it too much, they didn't need to mess with it too much, good.

• 22:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The only thing that, that this one, and maybe there's still time, because this hasn't, hasn't fully launched in the US yet, I got it a little early, you know, the mandatory ADAS thing, oof, they gotta get out of this. This is really bad news. Like, nothing ruins a luxury experience. Like, than, like, a car that doesn't remember the setting that you left it in. If you have a car, it's a, it's a car that is the kind of car that you set up for you, your memory seat, and your fucking radios, and, and your drive mode, your individual drive mode, and whatever, your personal ADAS settings, whatever they may be.

• 22:48Matt Farah?

  Imagine you spend a lot of money on that car. And whatever settings you value, the seat, the radio, fucking whatever. It's just not there the next time you start the car. It's back to a default. After you've spent $400,000 on this car. And you could get hoodwinked as fuck with one of these. Imagine you go to a dealer to test drive one. And you get in it, you drive it, you hate the ADAS, you turn it off on the test drive. The salesman doesn't tell you that it comes back on every single time. Fully, not just lane keep assist.

• 23:31Matt Farah?

  There's a five mile an hour over the speed limit chime that comes on.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 23:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Every time.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  That's a much bigger problem.

• 23:39Matt Farah?

  Every time you start the car, my friend.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  You can't turn the limiter up for that?

• 23:44Matt Farah?

  Nope, at full, full ADAS dude, every time. So, do you know how many times the lane keep assist steered me directly into a fucking pothole? Cause I tried, I tried to turn it off every time because it's unusable, it's horrible. But also, I would forget. Because of course I fucking would forget. Because anybody would forget having to do this. I mean eventually.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Well, or it wears you down. If you're running errands and you have four stops to make. On the third one, you're like, I'll just leave it on. Like, I don't want to deal with it.

• 24:15Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  And I haven't, it hasn't got in the way yet.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  And then on that route, you encounter a pothole.

• 24:20Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  You try to go around it and it's like, how dare you leave the lane?

• 24:23Matt Farah?

  Exactly.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  And then it pushes you back in.

• 24:24Matt Farah?

  With your 23 inch magnesium wheels. I mean, imagine going to the dealer and going, the software made me drive into this thing. They go, eat a dick. 20 grand, thank, you know what I mean?

• 24:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  And like. You know, like, you can forget and leave it on, and you can get ten or fifteen minutes up the road before something weird, and you go, "What is going on?" And furthermore, this particular vehicle, which I don't think was necessarily pre-production, but it's, but sometimes it would take the center screen, not the car itself, but the center screen, up to sixty seconds to turn on?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  To turn on and show any...

• 25:08Matt Farah?

  Not to turn on, but to like, to like, power up, and like, it shows the car's like, logo.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  To boot up.

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, effectively, effectively to boot.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  That's really slow.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  Sometimes it would take one second. Same with the Ferrari, um, uh, 12C. Same exact problem. Sometimes it would take a few seconds, or one second, or half a second, and sometimes it would take sixty seconds. Here's where that becomes majorly problematic. You need it to turn off the ADAS. You can't turn it off with a hard button. So if that screen doesn't boot up, can't turn it off. That sucks. You know? The fir-, because it's one hard button press, uh...

• 25:50Speaker 01

  It's like, right?

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, one of them, uh...

• 25:52Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter.

• 25:53Matt Farah?

  It's one of those on the right. Um, that one, the third, the, yeah, that one, the second one down on the right. You hit that, it pulls up a menu, you have to hit one touch thing, and then another touch thing. But if the screen's not booted up... And look, that's a big problem.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Well, this is something we've seen in a lot of cars, because they're adding more complicated graphics packages, more features and stuff, but if they don't increase the hardware with more GPUs and whatnot, it just takes so long. It's an old computer running the newest OS. That's what it's doing. And, uh, I think it's problematic when climate control is through there, navigation's through there.

• 26:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Just, and I know everyone's like, "It's only, it's only a minute." I know, but if your car did this, if your phone did this, it would be very frustrating when you hop in the car, and you're like, "All right, where are we going?", and you're sitting there, and you're waiting, and you're waiting, and you're waiting, and, you know, you'll get your directions in one minute. It's just a while.

• 26:49Matt Farah?

  And I forget, because, I forget if the temperature controls, which are manual scrolly wheels... I forget if they worked while the screen was booting up. Like if you could change it, like I forget, I think you can.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Does it indicate the change you're making though?

• 27:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think it's the very bottom of the screen.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I see that.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  That black bar is where it does it. It's like I forget, I forget if it did it like, but if your car is, if it's Arizona in the summer.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 27:17Matt Farah?

  Or fucking Maine in the winter, it will matter.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Is it, does it boot up quicker if you are using the Apple CarPlay thing?

• 27:26Matt Farah?

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• 28:10Matt Farah?

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• 28:50Matt Farah?

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• 29:27Matt Farah?

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• 30:13Matt Farah?

  Since then, I've used it in three different cars. The first car was very problematic. The second car was a little less problematic, but in order to get it to work, I had to delete the first car off my phone.

• 30:29Matt Farah?

  This car, in order to get it to work, I had to delete the last car off my phone also.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  That is ironic as hell.

• 30:35Matt Farah?

  So apparently you cannot connect to multiple Aston Martins. Alright, alright, so there's that. Maybe, maybe if you change the name of the car, I don't want to like, I don't want to say that there's no way to do it, but I will say that when I said, "Hey Aston Martin person, my phone won't connect to the car." They said, "Do you have old Aston Martin press cars in your like Bluetooth list?" Which I do. She's like, "Delete them."

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Now, if I go glass half-full, maybe they're like, "Oh, those old Aston press cars had the old Ultra iOS thing."

• 31:14Matt Farah?

  I don't want to say definitively that you can't do it, and I'm sure somebody will prove to me that you can do it.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 31:21Matt Farah?

  I will say that that has been the solution for the last two of these I've driven.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:27Matt Farah?

  Now, finally it connects, Apple CarPlay Ultra.

• 31:34Matt Farah?

  After about two and a half days,

• 31:37Matt Farah?

  it, without me doing anything, nothing, it goes back to regular CarPlay. And I cannot figure out

• 31:47Matt Farah?

  how to get it to go back to CarPlay Ultra. And I don't give a, and I'm so happy that it's not in CarPlay Ultra anymore, that I don't give a shit. I just leave it. And I just use regular CarPlay.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  So it went back to a different setting though. That's, that's interesting.

• 32:00Matt Farah?

  I didn't even know you could use regular CarPlay in cars that had CarPlay Ultra. But it went back to it eventually. So like, I don't know.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Oh, but did, when it was using CarPlay Ultra, did that system power up faster?

• 32:13Matt Farah?

  No, slower. Slower than regular CarPlay.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I have concluded that I don't like CarPlay Ultra. I, I, it might be a solution for like, very, very bad native UI systems. But honestly, if you have regular CarPlay, and like, even in this Aston screen here, if you have a dock, like, like the Taycan has it, and someone showed me how to make the, the CarPlay button. If you have a dock on the screen, and one of those buttons is CarPlay, and another button is like, Sirius, and another button is like, the native nav, and the, like, that's, you don't need anything more than that. But I guess there are, I don't know.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Oh, a bunch of people, after our CarPlay discussion a few weeks ago, people messaged me and said, you can rearrange the icons on your CarPlay, just like you can your phone. Sometimes it's a drag thing, and sometimes it's like, you have to go into Settings or whatever. Like in your phone, you go to like, CarPlay Settings, here are the apps I wanted to see first, but, very helpful. Thank you, folks.

• 33:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I never thought of it, because honestly, when I pull up CarPlay, like, the, the, the apps I use the most are just kind of automatically there. So maybe that's an accident. I don't have to like, swipe through a whole bunch, but like, it's good to know you can. Moving the

• 33:25Matt Farah?

  Being able to do it in the Taycan, just being like, like just like you would do it in a phone. A, it's hilarious, I've never tried it. And B, no one ever told me about it until this fan did the other day. And now that I've done it, I'm like, oh my God, this is like, this is just like the game changer.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  You know, there's a wall there. Usually you're not supposed to cross those.

• 33:43Matt Farah?

  It does, it does look like that. Yeah, yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  I think, like, CarPlay Ultra would work, like the Subaru Crosstrek, or actually any new Subaru that we've driven. Those, the middle MMI screen looks so old, like the graphics look like early 2000s, MTV, Nickelodeon.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  There's a new one.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  So if they change that, that would be nice.

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  Have you seen the new, the new Subaru Outback?

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Shout out to my friends at Subaru of Englewood, New Jersey. I love them. It's also Porsche of Englewood, New Jersey, where I bought my Spyder. Fabulous people. I love them. Great dealership. If you're in New Jersey, buy a car from them. When I was in South Carolina, bird hunting two weeks ago, they had one of the new Outbacks. And they like it. I think this car is heinous looking. Have you seen this thing, the new Outback?

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Is it 2026?

• 34:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They turned it into, I think it's like the Hyundai Santa Fe. Zach's eyes.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  My eyebrows.

• 34:43Matt Farah?

  Eyes just lit up. Dude.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Lit up is the wrong description.

• 34:47Matt Farah?

  Lit up. His eyes just shot to the ceiling. What have they done?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Here, it's more, um...

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  Doesn't it look like the Hyundai? Like Santa Fe? Like it's like real square.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  It's very square. They turned it, they finally just said, yeah, it's an SUV. That's what happened.

• 35:03Matt Farah?

  I guess, yeah. That is, it is not, not good looking. I mean, they've, they've just made it a square SUV.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, it's the Forester.

• 35:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  It's what the Forester was.

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  They've merged.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Does the Forester still exist?

• 35:19Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  It does?

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  No, it does, yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  The back looks very RAV4 or

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  It looks exactly

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looks extremely RAV4, which I get it's like the third most popular SUV.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  It's halfway between a RAV4 and the Hyundai, the new Hyundai Santa Fe. That's what it is.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's RAV4 in the back. The side window is very Hyundai Santa Fe retro, like this extra pillar that just takes up space. You can't see the front. You got like, you know, squinty, the split headlight thing. The front's not bad.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  It's not good.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  But it's a completely different vehicle appearance wise.

• 35:52Matt Farah?

  It has a new UI though. I'll give, I'll give, I'll give credit where it is due. The interior is, for the price, the interior is nice. These cars are like, they're like 40 grand. They're not, they're not expensive. And the interior is comfortable and improved over the last version. And I should know because my mom has the last version. But my mom's looks so much better, but this one does have the better interior. It still has manual climate control, full manual climate control on the bottom.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  That's good. You've got the gauges here. I want to see, I trust you.

• 36:21Matt Farah?

  It's so ugly.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  We drove that Outback, the Wilderness Edition a few years ago.

• 36:24Matt Farah?

  Liked it.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  We liked the way it drove. I just, I really dislike the way all the icons look. They look so tired and old.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  So this is a good improvement.

• 36:32Matt Farah?

  So anyway, just wrap up the DBXS. It's, it's a really, really beautiful driving thing. It's agile. It's, it's really comfortable. Although this one, this one didn't, this one did not get the massage seats. You guys, I guess it's got to save weight. Got to have the lighter seats.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  It's a good looking car though.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Very, very pretty, extremely fast, sounds great. Obviously super, super expensive, but, but, but it's not, it's not an upgraded version of anything else. Very much stands alone. And I don't think, you know, the higher, the bigger turbos, the up power band. It's not the full Purosangue problem. It's not like it has no balls. It's just like the AMG derived V8 is very grunty at the bottom. And I think that's at like the 500 horsepower level. But the, the higher you kick up the horsepower and the bigger you make the turbos, you just keep moving it up, up, up, up, up, you know?

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Well, you guys, you need, does the red line go up at all? Do you know?

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  I don't think so. I think it's still like seven, some 72, something like that.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Bigger turbos, need more revs to make it breathe.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  It's fast, I'll say that. It's very, very fast. It's very pretty.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:48Matt Farah?

  Lots of leather, smells really good in there.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Color was amazing. This green is so good.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. It's a fun car. And I, and, and just like, they're doing such a nice job with their styling and with their dynamics. The software stuff, partially Apple, partially not.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that limit thing, that, that's not okay. Cause five over, that, everyone's doing five over.

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  It stinks. Yeah, it stinks. What else do we have? Oh, the, um,

• 38:20Matt Farah?

  the Gunther Ferrari?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oops, there we go.

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  So, so, so Gunther Works, our friend Peter, who, who, um, the founder and owner, I guess, I want to say, CEO of Gunther Works, um, is interested in, in exploring the idea of a, of a Ferrari 458. Apparently seeing the difference in value between a, a regular 458 and a Speciale. And he basically said, you know, the Gunther Works 993s are like insane. They're completely re-engineered from the ground up. And this isn't that. Um, this is basically seeing the difference in value between a regular 458 and a Speciale.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  And a regular 458 is like 150 to 250,000. And Specials are like 700,000. And basically what he is looking for is to try to offer a styling and driving experience that's more like a Speciale, but for like much less money. And so with this particular car, he said, you know, this is a car that was a $180,000 car. Uh, that, that his kit would be like 150,000 on top of that. So it's like three to three fifty, this is a ton of money again, ton of money.

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  But half of what you would spend getting an actual Speciale and not something that is in theory, uh, so collectible that you couldn't put a lot of miles on it. That's the idea.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Now, did, did this car effectively start life as looking?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Like this?

• 40:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  It could, is that car like live now?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  Okay, so yeah, this is effectively the same car. Um, which, can you go, uh, can you see like sold ones of these? What are these going for? What, yeah, what does, what does it cost to get a 458? Cause 458s are really good cars. Really good cars. Um, and the speciales are just crazy money. Let's see, sold for, okay, 2010 458 for 136 grand. Wow. Um, there's a spider with 13,000 miles for 212. Wow, a lot of no sales. Well, that gray one you just had up sold for 167. Okay, great. Let's pull that one up. So 167, how many miles are on this thing? Scroll down. Gray tan is fucking good. Ooh, good number of miles.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  It's like a dark gray with tan yellow calipers.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  Fucking nice spec.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  These seats, look at, ooh.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  I am, I'm, I'm into everything about this.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  This is, this is a fabulous car. Okay, so you start with one of these things. Um, and then, uh, go back to my photo. So Gunther then replaces the entire front clip with carbon. And does a pass through, uh, um, heat exchanger thing, um, with the, with the front, with the frunk and the scoop. Now it does take up some of the frunk, which sort of sucks. So you lose some of your usability plus, this car is dropped. I think, I forget, I don't know exactly how much. It's either a half inch or an inch.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Looks like half.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  Half inch. On the stock Mag Ride shocks, but lowering springs, but then it has aftermarket nose lift. And then the pump for that is also in the front trunk. So at least this one has essentially no trunk, which is kind of a bummer. Um, they redo the interior. They leave, they add some carbon bits. Like if, go back to the, the, the cars and bits one. Uh, not a ton of carbon on this one.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Well, this, actually this one does have, I mean, this has very similar carbon.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, it does?

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Like this has carbon on the wheels, got carbon on the vents, which, uh, the Gunther Works car, I think had the, the carbon in almost the exact same places here.

• 42:23Matt Farah?

  You are right, sir. So then they take out the like power seats and they put in the carbon bucketty seats. They make everything like carbon that can be and then they, this has the three buttons. They change it to the Speciale, which is the carbon like tower of buttons. So they change the center console and they effectively give you, you know, Speciale vibes. The rear gets a very similar, not quite a Speciale, but similar looking treatment. The 458, I don't have a great photo of the rear. I'm sorry, I didn't put it in there. This has a very small diffuser.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  The diffuser becomes huge, almost, it almost looks a little bit Enzo like. It's the full width of the body. Those reversing lights get moved. It's carbon. And then you get, the top treatment has got the Speciale like wing. I really think only the doors and the roof and the glass are left from the original body.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  So this whole fashion out on the front of the Gunther's car, this is all their design carbon.

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  It's all their design carbon.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Wow, I mean, the mouth looks totally different.

• 43:35Matt Farah?

  As is the bonnet, the front bonnet.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  That's very cool. It's really subtle. Like anybody, if you walk up to this thing and you don't really know the 458.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Like it, it kind of blends in.

• 43:46Matt Farah?

  Well, look at, look at, scroll through the comments on this post. Someone had a good one. They saw, they saw the car in Malibu on Sunday. Keep going, keep going. There, this guy, Dominic's, Dominic Savidis, there we go. I was walking around that Ferrari. These guys, we were going back and forth with what it was. Like it's not just a body kit, but it's not a pista, like same thing. It's like in between, right? And

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, it's a, uh, an upfitted, uh, 458. So, we didn't make a video with it because the tune isn't quite right. Um, it does have supposedly 50 more horsepower. I'm not, it has, it has a very, a light exhaust with a valve in it. Um, I'm sure it has another, a couple other hard bits, but it also has this tune that isn't where it should be. So, we're gonna, we, we sent it home, um, and then, and we're gonna get it back when, when the tune is, mm.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  It's very fast.

• 44:50Matt Farah?

  When the tune is fine tuned.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Matt Farah?

  It's fast.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  It's very fast. The drive, it's, it's drivability needs a little work.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Sounds good.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  I haven't driven one of these in such a long time, like years and years and years and years. Remember, I asked you, I'm like, where, I was like, where do I turn the thing on?

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You forgot to put, you had to put the key in and turn it.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  But then hit the button, and then there's like a little button over there. Um, but man, these things are such magic and like just ripping through the tunnel. Cause I drove to Malibu to meet you guys on Sunday. And just the sound of it, like my, my wife stares in the car and I go, that's why people pay the money for these. Like just that. And it's, and she was giggling and it looks amazing.

• 45:23Matt Farah?

  They've aged well.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Oh, they've aged so well.

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  And, you know, at the time, I didn't love the buttons, all the buttons on the steering wheel. But now compared to all the haptics on the steering wheel, I'm like, oh, the buttons aren't really so bad.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  That's true, but I couldn't figure out how to make the blinker stay on, on a left turn. On a right turn, it was like if I held it longer, it would just stay, it was like, alright, the blinker's on. The left one.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  It's the same.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  It was.

• 45:47Matt Farah?

  Well, it's broken.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  It is broken, but, um.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  Hey, Peter, fix that.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  I was doing a lot of like, you know, uh, three flashes and then it would go away.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  That's funny.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Uh, but you, you do get used to it and, you know, someone on the last show said, what do we prefer? Paddles on the wheel or on the column? And this has paddles on the column and it was nice action and they're always there, which there are benefits to it.

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  I would, I prefer column.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  I prefer wheel. If I, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go wheel. But I went, column's not bad. It's pretty good.

• 46:11Matt Farah?

  I prefer column. I mean, I think.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  In most circumstances, it doesn't really make a difference. It makes a difference if you plan on sliding the car. That's the only time, if you're really sliding the car and you might want to grab a gear.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 46:25Matt Farah?

  When the wheel is at some fucking crazy angle, then, then it matters. Outside of that, not really so much. But 458s are, they are great, but the, the radio is like unusably awful. Like, I, I think, I think that this is like, there needs to be some kind of full-on bypass system for that, and maybe there is, because that is a, that is a piece of junk.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  It's very quiet. It also needs a backup camera.

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  No, it's a gun, it's just the usability with that system.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, with those, the weird knobs that control, yeah. It's like you have three knobs, the same knob you'd use to control the mirrors in a car. Imagine there's three of those. And the one on the left controls like your tripometer, your tripometer, and if you want to look at like the tire temp.

• 47:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  And the one on the right was like radio.

• 47:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  And media, and it's not very good.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  It's terrible.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  They're pretty, such pretty cars and, and so fun to drive, though. I mean, they really, they've aged well in that regard.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  This price, I mean, you could get, for this money, for like 130 grand, I mean, you could get your NSX, or you could actually get a worse NSX.

• 47:31Matt Farah?

  Well, that's, 167 is literally what I sold my NSX for.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  This is nuts.

• 47:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, that's the one.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Spiders are a lot more.

• 47:39Matt Farah?

  That's my car.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  I sold, I sold that car. That was a record at the time.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  These are fantastic.

• 47:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's funny, though, for, the 14 was only bid $458 higher. The gray one on the top right?

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  I was, oh, no, I was 215. Sorry, that's 212, 458. Maybe I need new glasses.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Are they, so are they positioning this as, let's go back to the, the kit, is this like?

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Seems more like a modified Ferrari to make to make your 458 seem more special, but it's not a full Gunther Works build, you know, Porsche style.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Because that would probably change the entire like appearance of the thing.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, this is the, um, the, the branding of it. Because, you know, Gunther Works is a division of Vorsteiner. So like the, the branding of it is unclear at the moment. It was not, it wasn't necessarily, I plan on selling this exactly as is as a package. And under this brand and here's the, it was, hey, you know, I've thought about the 458 and the Speciale and the gap between. And so I've built something that is in between. Will you drive it and give me your thoughts and like, we might be on to something. That was pretty much where, and then the car just shows up.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Cool. Looks awesome.

• 49:00Matt Farah?

  It was supposed to show up the same week the fucking DBX was here. I'm glad it didn't. It was pissing rain. Imagine, I mean, what would I have done with this thing?

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Look at it and just, yeah.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  Stare at it in the driveway for six straight days?

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But we'll get it back and we'll, we'll make a video once it's, uh, once it's, you know, ready for the, the prim time. Did you see that? I guess, I guess Ford is like really kind of abandoning Shelby because, uh, they just did this Dark Horse SC thing. Like they essentially brought back the GT 500, but it's not called GT 500. It's called the Dark Horse SC and it's the GT 500 slash GTD powertrain, you know, but Dark Horse branding. And presumably, you know, similarly track focused, uh, chassis setup.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  I wonder, huh, I wonder if, I wonder why, like the Shelby name has been attached to these cars for so long. So I wonder if they've just, they're aged out of it.

• 50:02Matt Farah?

  Could be.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  They also could save money by maybe not licensing. I'm sure there's a partnership thing there.

• 50:07Matt Farah?

  And also I think, and they've, they're really, uh, they've dropped Ford Performance and now it's Ford Racing. They're really trying to like lean into the fact that they're racing. So it's, you know, it's billed as, it's billed as halfway between the, uh, the dark horse and the GTD, right? So it gets the supercharged powertrain, but it doesn't get the multimatic front and rear, you know, clips.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Right. Interesting.

• 50:35Matt Farah?

  It's, it's essentially the same as the GTD's engine, it seems, although they haven't given you uh, exactly the ways that it's unchanged yet. But, you know, it, it looks like an up, it looks like they could put fucking stripes on it and call it a GT500 tomorrow. They've just chosen not to, right?

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's funny that this is, I mean, I want to read more details, but it's very close to the RTR Spec 3.

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  Right. Well, it's got, this has the Tremec though.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 51:02Matt Farah?

  This has the DCT gearbox, not a manual, so.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, it'll probably be, probably a really good time.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  I bet it'll be amazing. I mean, look, the Ford engineers are doing a great job.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  I bet it'll drift better than the GTD. The GTD with the, uh, does not have much steering angle to work with when it comes to doing slides. This will, it's a pretty good looking car.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Looks very angry.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Very, uh, it is definitely more extroverted looking than the RTR, but slightly subtler than the GTD. Just as it doesn't have like the huge fins on the fenders and stuff, but man, this hood is.

• 51:38Matt Farah?

  Well, it's much narrower than the GTD. GTD's like six inches wider than a regular Mustang.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  And it looks it, and it shows up.

• 51:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, uh, the, excuse me. I still have yet, you know, I did, I'm, I'm doing a story right now for Road and Track, um, about, um, dynos. And actually, we used a regular dark horse, a naturally aspirated dark horse to, to test dynos, to see how different, and so I spent last week driving around a dark horse. And I really need to request that they give me one that doesn't have the track alignment on it. Because they're, the powertrains are great, the ride is pretty nice. Like, they're generally really fun cars, but I think all the press cars have this crazy camber, because the magazines use them for track work or whatever. And they're

• 52:28Matt Farah?

  so dirty. They're, they're exhausting to drive.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know if I've driven different dark horses than you. Truly, or

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  You could've.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Or I am less sensitive to that than you are. Because it's never really bothered me in those cars. I don't know.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  Maybe both.

• 52:48Matt Farah?

  But the one

• 52:49Speaker 01

  I mean, you just drive more cars than me, so you're probably more tuned to it.

• 52:52Matt Farah?

  I don't, I mean, that's not it. You couldn't tell if a car was fucking dirty?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  I can't, but I think, but maybe my threshold for what is annoying for, in that regard, is much, is high.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  You have a car with overly wide front tires and a lot of camber also. So, yes, I would say that you are calibrated

• 53:13Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 53:13Matt Farah?

  slightly differently.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  That's a very good point.

• 53:15Matt Farah?

  Someone needs to fucking press that tear button on your shit, dude. T A R E.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Oh, like, like a wipe?

• 53:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sorry. So is that too much of a drug dealer reference?

• 53:26Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I remember from chemistry class, and I use a scale for my coffee every day. But for a second, I was like, what? I thought T E A R.

• 53:32Matt Farah?

  Right. I was using language differently.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, T A R E. I remember in class, I was like, why don't they just call it erase? And my teacher was like, because they don't. I'm like, okay.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Clear, erase, reset.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Don't you dare talk that kind of fucking sense, Klapman.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  And I'm sure someone's listening, I'm sure there's a Latin root for why. There's always a reason for that stuff.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  No, I told you my fucking talking sense shit in Hebrew school, right? That almost got me fucking kicked out of Hebrew school. I was forced to go to Hebrew school. Why, what the fuck do I need to learn Hebrew for? And literally, seven years of this shit for purposes of reading a paragraph in front of 200 people, one time and never again. And so, I asked my Hebrew school teacher when I was, the first year I was there, when I was eight, why an all-knowing God doesn't understand English?

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Now imagine, imagine you're a Hebrew school teacher, and an eight-year-old fucking shithead says that to you. What do you say?

• 54:36Speaker 01

  I mean, and that is a magnificent question. And of course, goes along with so many others you can ask. I mean, I don't want to make people too upset. So he's all-powerful, but he needs our money. That's what you're saying.

• 54:50Matt Farah?

  All-powerful.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:52Matt Farah?

  All-knowing, but only in one language.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  All-knowing, yeah, that is really funny.

• 55:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Uh, I like what they did, to go back to cars. I like what they did with the front. You know what? I just realized, this side here, the side of the front fascia, is very Lamborghini, like Huracan.

• 55:10Matt Farah?

  A little bit.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  With a little cut.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  But it's a little subtler. And then, this new nose thing, this whole, like, angle.

• 55:17Matt Farah?

  Squared off some things.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  A little bit, but I like it. I like it.

• 55:20Matt Farah?

  It's also not running a square stance. It's got 305 fronts and 315 rears.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Well, because they heard your complaints about the tramlining.

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  This, I love this fucking press release talk. "This setup leverages Mustang GTD technology to help deliver near supercar levels of traction." How? They have a completely...

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Well, what tires are the, is the GTD on?

• 55:47Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Sport Cup 2s?

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  "Leverages GTD technology." I, that would be a very funny way of saying they use the same tires.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  I think that's what they're saying.

• 55:57Matt Farah?

  Well, the GTD has 335 rears, so they're not the same size.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  But leverages...

• 56:03Speaker 01

  It's the technology. And I would say, is size a technology? Or is compound a technology?

• 56:09Matt Farah?

  It's not the size of the tire.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  It's the compound. This is why creative writing can take you pretty far in PR.

• 56:16Matt Farah?

  It's not the size of your tire, it's the com- pound.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Matt, it uses the turbos from the Valhalla.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, and the PR people right now are upset and they're also laughing because like they know what they have to do. It's tough. You have to make, I mean, I don't know why you have to like they can't just give the specs because what we read are the specs but like they gotta like pitch it to you. So it uses the same technology.

• 56:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  I don't know. It'll probably be fast.

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  That's awesome.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  It'll probably handle great.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's gonna be a good time.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  I hope this steering feel problem gets fixed at some point, but I think it's a hardware issue with the supplier of their pump.

• 56:55Matt Farah?

  Wait, what steering issue?

• 56:56Speaker 01

  I feel like every Mustang we've driven has no steering feel and I think it's just like an either an overwork.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  Do you think they're broken?

• 57:03Speaker 01

  No, I don't think they're broken. I think, I remember this was a problem with the GT350. Like it always felt like you had no steering feel and then when you got too far into the angle, the effort suddenly got really hard. It was almost like the pump couldn't handle it. But the GTD, the Dark Horse, the RTR car, like it's like BMW M steering. There's just nothing from the front tires.

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  I think they have a very tough mission because there's so much weight up there.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  And the tire is so wide.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:35Matt Farah?

  That you need a very powerful system and you can't, I don't think you can have a very powerful system and really good steering feel. I think like

• 57:47Speaker 01

  It's a good question.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  By nature, the systems that offer less assist usually give the best feel all the way to like no power steering, which has amazing feel sometimes at the expense of like a ton of effort.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Sure. That's a good point. I mean, because it's a big engine and it's a big car and so it needs a lot, uh, yeah, maybe.

• 58:07Matt Farah?

  I'm fucking taking a guess at that.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  No, but I

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  That's just my guess.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  I like that theory and if anybody works at an OEM, especially if their name's David maybe, or anybody else, that's the only one we know. But like, that would be a great thing to tell us because like, I don't know.

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  We have to wait till like once every three months where he has a bunch of long flights and like binges the podcast and catches up.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  He's out there. The question would be to you is have you know, what has better steering feel? Like Vanquish or Dark Horse?

• 58:37Matt Farah?

  Vanquish.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Okay. Vanquish has a huge engine.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  With turbos.

• 58:41Matt Farah?

  Engine is, engine is behind the front axle. Crucial.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 58:46Matt Farah?

  Crucial. It's more mid-engine.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Right, but for, but well, so yeah, you do, you move what the Not leverage point, but you're moving the weight back.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  So maybe the less weight is on the front tires. So maybe that does influence it.

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  And it doesn't have, the front tires aren't that big. The front tires are like 255s or something, not like 305s. It's a, that's a substantial difference. Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  I don't know. Cause I mean, bigger tires, like bigger tires on my car, granted 25 years old, improved steering feel. Cause it made the, a little bit of effort, had an increase in steering effort, which resulted in like, sort of masquerading as feel.

• 59:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's like the same trick as like when I made my steering wheels smaller in the Corvette.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you manscape.

• 59:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  So, I don't know. This is a good question for an engineer.

• 59:36Matt Farah?

  Very good.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  They're not a sponsor, but they could be.

• 59:38Matt Farah?

  Oh. Can I talk for a second about the Oster Model 10? I, God.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Is it a toaster?

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  No, it's the buzzer. It's the buzzer that like, you know in like Full Metal Jacket? Where they fucking shave it? It's an opera. It's that. It's the fucking industrial grade buzzer that like, yes. That like an old Italian man would use. Or like a military barber from in like Vietnam. Like that's what this is.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Look at the size of the power cable.

• 1:00:07Matt Farah?

  Fuck yeah, dude. Shit's almost like 220, right? So Hannah got me this for my birthday, like 10 years ago. When I used to buzz my head real short. That's the number, the triple zero blade is the real short one. So now I don't, I don't, I haven't done that because I shaved my head with a, with a proper razor, right? But now this, my beard setup, I've been using a portable buzzer, but with plastic attachments to shave the beard. But I was like, wait a minute. What is the longest blade I can get for the Model 10? It's been in retirement and I got, it's called like the, it's, I forget what it's called, but it's the long one. It's the length that I need for this.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  So the guard is very tall.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I brought it out of retirement and, no, those are the plastic bullshit attachments. I have the real metal, the metal cartridges.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  Those are the comb guides. I have the fucking proper, the, they're the Model 10 Classic, that. Like those. No, those are the comb ones too. It's where you replace the entire metal cartridge on top.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:14Matt Farah?

  So anyway, found it. Man, I have to, I have to grease the motor in this thing, like service it.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:21Matt Farah?

  And it is extremely, when you fucking hit that, that giant toggle switch on the bottom. Boom, boom.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:27Matt Farah?

  It doesn't just go from off to on.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  It accelerates.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  There's a delay.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  And then you fucking drop a few drops of oil in it, and then you can, you hit a couple drops of oil on it, and then it goes even faster.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Well, the sound changes, right? Cause it's dry and then...

• 1:01:45Matt Farah?

  Get that oil going. Man, oh, it's like, that's like, it's like a, it's like using a riding mower for the first time. It's like you're crushing, just crushing acreage.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Not too much, and it, well, I mean, you've said before, like, you have the A-Rab hair, so like, it's not too much power.

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  No, no, no.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  He said this, I'm repeating what he said.

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  Just no resistance, you know, sometimes if you're buzzing, and then, you know, and your buzzer gets bogged down, cause you're going too fast.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  I totally know what that's like.

• 1:02:09Matt Farah?

  No such thing.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:02:12Matt Farah?

  No such thing, dude. I should have combed it this morning.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  I still use the Brio Beardscape when I have to.

• 1:02:17Matt Farah?

  It's a great portable buzzer.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Great portable buzzer. Lasts for like a year on one charge.

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  But the, the, and, and, and my Brio Beardscape works fucking perfectly, but I've broken the tabs on the little plasticky comb attachments. Those, that's the, that's the fragile, that's the problem. So, now, we have, this thing weighs like a kilogram, it's fucking, you throw the cord over your shoulder.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  Like it's a...

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Well, it's got the cord guard.

• 1:02:43Matt Farah?

  Dude, the cord's like 12 feet, it's, it's like an open mic cable.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause you need to be able to walk around the whole chair, and it's got a guard on it, the guard, the cable guard is as thick as like, your 12 volt battery in your car.

• 1:02:56Matt Farah?

  And there's a place, you know, cause I live, like, on the edge of the hood, there's a place like, just into the hood, that is like, the, a barber shop service center. And he also does knife sharpening, so I went in there and had some knife sharpening. I talked to this motherfucker about buzzers for 35 minutes straight.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  What I've noticed now, like, at this point in my life, is I see how people become the old person you see in the wild.

• 1:03:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  So if I walk into that store and there was an 80-year-old man, and he was just chatting to this guy about buzzers.

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  I go, "Man, that guy, I wonder what happened? Maybe his wife died, he's got nothing to do, he's in here just chatting buzzers." Nope, it starts far before that.

• 1:03:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  And it's just the interest we have in whatever.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  I had another one of them the other day. I took when my nephew Cole was here, and I took him to Film Tools in Burbank, because he likes cars and photography, and I set him up with a suction cup rig. I sent him home with a rig to shoot some cars. And we're in there, and I was like, "Oh, I also need..." whatever the fuck I needed, some little thing. And I went up to the counter, and he was just chatting with some older dude who was relaxing in a director's chair like this. And while the guy looked in the back for whatever it was, it was, "Well, you know, back..." you know, just, I don't know where we were going, but we started, we were for 25 minutes, we talked about absolutely nothing. And he was like, "Don't worry about me, I got nowhere to be."

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  He's like, "No one's buying stuff here anymore, they all get it on the Amazon."

• 1:04:23Matt Farah?

  Anyway, that's what shopping's like now.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  I love in-person shopping, it is great. Not like shopping shopping, but like, fucking go to the knife sharpening store, get 8, 10 chef's knives done.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  That's a good idea. I bought a sharpening block, which I enjoy, like, learning the process of and doing at home really quick.

• 1:04:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  And I sharpened our scissors, which I had never done, and it worked, and I was so proud.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  Sweet.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  That it worked. But we only have two chef's knives, so if I had to do 10, then I might kinda...

• 1:04:54Matt Farah?

  I do, that's my once a year.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:56Matt Farah?

  Is to, I do, I do the inter, the in-between maintenance, the honing, a little home sharpening, and then once a year, I send my New West knife works ones with the rainbow handles, all those, free lifetime sharpening.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  That's pretty good.

• 1:05:09Matt Farah?

  So I send the whole shit back when I go out of town for like a week, FedEx them shits to Wyoming, and then they come back all sharp, all the serrated ones too, that I can't do.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah.

• 1:05:18Matt Farah?

  And then the ones that aren't New West, I bring to this dude now, which is where I learned about the fucking cartridge for the Oster Model 10! Yes! This is what it's like being 44.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Fountain pens and beard trimmers.

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  So excited.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 1:05:33Matt Farah?

  So excited for him.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Did he say, "What are you using it for?" And you're like, "My beard." And he's like, "That's too powerful for the beard. That's for your head."

• 1:05:38Matt Farah?

  He was crazy. He said, "Most people don't have those for home use." And I was like, I was like, I knew what I liked.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  You shipped it to a state and then into California. Because you can't just buy it straight, direct here.

• 1:05:48Matt Farah?

  Not like my shower heads.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, like my, uh, my water filter.

• 1:05:54Matt Farah?

  Gotta get the shower heads. Yo, was that Nevada grade?

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  They put a new shower head in our apartment and, ah, it's slower.

• 1:06:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, no.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, we could switch it if we want to. Like, it takes five minutes and I have the ability. But we got a new one for a reason. And then the guy, he's installing it and then we'll get to questions. And he's like, "You know, this calcium problem, you could just soak it in vinegar." And I literally go, "Yeah, you know, they keep raising our rent, so I'll take the free shower head."

• 1:06:18Matt Farah?

  I don't own this place, buddy. I'll take the fucking shower.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm getting my money back.

• 1:06:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, but it's a low flow? They just announced it. We're the first, it's the first time we're drought-free in like 26 years or something.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we might want to keep saving some money, you know? As you spoke about in the last show.

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Don't spend all of it.

• 1:06:34Matt Farah?

  It's not, listen, it's America. Gas go down. I need a three-row SUV. I might think about having a baby one day.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  The TRX has more power now. 717. Oh, my God, the TRX and the DBX have the same power, right?

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  No, I think the TRX is 770.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:06:52Matt Farah?

  I believe.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  You might be right.

• 1:06:54Matt Farah?

  I think it's 770. I think they're like, we may never...

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, 777.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we may never get a shot to build the world's least fuel-efficient vehicle. Again, we better fucking do it now.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  If he's getting a ballroom, we're getting a TRX with 800 horsepower.

• 1:07:10Matt Farah?

  Johnny Lieberman told me, and obviously it hasn't come to pass, but Johnny Lieberman told me that, that the Escalade engineer, the engineers who did the Escalade V... We're told that Cadillac's going full electric. This is the last exhaust you will ever design. And so that's why the Escalade V is like loud enough to wake the dead. For that exact reason. Yeah, yeah. Fucking have your last shots, boys. We're getting sober tomorrow.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  That's like every movie where they're like, they're taking mom's house tomorrow. Tonight we party and it's just like the movies about that.

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  You just know it, Ram. You go, fuck, we gotta make it. We got a couple of years with this guy. Look, we're after this guy's gone. You know, they're gonna fucking ram this electric down earth. We're gonna have to figure out how to make an electric car and a hybrid car. But we got about two, three years to get this motherfucker done. We could build the least fuel efficient. Fuck you invade Venezuela and get more oil car of all fucking time. You wanna hear, you understand? We could take up two parking spaces every fucking where we go. We're making it seven inches wider. We're making it four inches taller. It's gonna be 8,600 pounds, 770 horsepower. It's gonna average 2.2 miles per gallon. And if you don't fucking like it, get out.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I want the H1 Hummer to look like a wart on the cock that is the TRX.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  I saw one going to Malibu yesterday. It looks small.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do. I mean, I, when I drove that one for Doug's channel, I did the measurements. I went, oh, it's narrower than a new Bronco Raptor. Holy moly. It's just, it just looks, because it's so flat and low, it looks wide as hell. Yeah.

• 1:08:48Matt Farah?

  How charming. So charmingly practical.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  H1 is easier to park.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  It's better.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Matt Farah?

  They are easy to park. They're short.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the slab sliding, you can see every part of it. It's not comfortable inside.

• 1:09:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. What do you, what do you think? One morning in, in the Johnson Valley with a TRX. What, what do you think fuel economy wise? Two, three, you're looking at?

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  For sure. The way I would drive it, I mean, look, that truck is so silly in so many ways. But is it a good time? Like, you know, is a Metallica concert fun? But you can probably kill some birds nearby. Sure, who cares? Like, it's a rad time. It's a big, but I think whenever I've driven big production vehicles in the Desert, I go, man, a dedicated racer for this is probably even better because it's less compromised, it's a little lighter, maybe. Yeah. And it just kind of inspires me to, I don't know, want to be around more off-road racing. The smaller ones are more, I think the Bronco Raptor is more fun than a full-size Raptor. But even with that, and I know it's a totally different type of vehicle, but when you see the people have taken like an Old Ranger. Yeah. And they put all the parts on it, or Tacoma or whatever, and it's got like a decent engine, I bet that's just an absolute riot.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because then it's a more disposable thing. Sure. Yeah, disposable, I mean, also. But less comfortable. You can lease it, you can just lease. I know, that's what's wild, dude. You can just lease that motherfucker. Yeah, and then just go for it. It would be really fun for the desert running, yeah. It's the new Ram Lease and Send Event. Lease it and fucking send it, bro. True. But I'm sure you've seen the video, there's a famous Raptor video, this guy, he's just, it's a, he shot POV, this guy's out in the desert and he's walking, and his friend is, you know, takes the truck out here, and you can almost hear the beer, like in the person's voice, he's like, alright, he's gonna go for it, and he's got his foam vertical, and then he turns it sideways, which is perfect, and the dude just, he's accelerating towards,

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  like, a gravel road, so it's raised maybe eight inches on each side, right? Okay. Very gentle type thing. Sure. And he just floors it, and now, knowing what I know about jumping cars from the Road and Track article I did, go read it, it's online right now, he just stays in the throttle, and it hits, and then donkey kicks, and just lands on the roof. Oh, fucking. And the guy filming it is like, yeah, man, go for it, Braden or whatever, just like, and as soon as it goes up in the air, he goes, oh, no, and it just, and I think, I hope the guy was okay, it's a bad accident, but it's, you can't just take the, the super vehicle has to be driven a certain way. Yeah. Or it will no longer be superpowered. How should Braden have taken that? Approach it slower. Since you're a pro. Approach it slower, and then right before the jump, you want to tap the brakes a

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  little bit, you want to drop the weight to the front of the vehicle, and then as the springs pop back up in the front, you accelerate, because you want to, your goal is to send the weight to the back of the truck, and that helps prevent the donkey kick. But, the other thing is, if the takeoff is too short, it's very hard to manage that kind of stuff. Sure. Because it's just.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  Because it just.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Because as the front, the front comes up in the air and it's already, gravity's already pulling it down as the back goes up that ramp.

• 1:11:49Matt Farah?

  Sure, and the longer your wheelbase, the worse the effect.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Absolutely, so you need to balance like the size of the ramp, how much acceleration can you get on the surface you're on? And he just, I mean, this dude hit the jump, I'll find it, he hit it at like 60 miles per hour.

• 1:12:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's, there's math involved in jumping cars, as it turns out, actually. Did you get, how did, did you get a math formula, really? For how to figure out what your appropriate speed is for distance?

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I did not, but our friend Chip, you know, what's Chip's last name? I forget, starts with a P, Jen Horssey's Chip.

• 1:12:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  He, I mean, this guy was like.

• 1:12:28Matt Farah?

  I don't know Chip's fucking last name.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  He was like the creator and executive producer of Nitro Rallycross and a bunch of other things. Like, I talked, I interviewed him for the piece, and I think they cut his quotes, but as they worked on, over the years, learning how to jump cars and talking to ramp builders, they figured out there was a formula of if the car hits this ramp at X speed, it can land, you know, it can go 10 feet over or 150 feet over and it will be okay. So they had a formula, he didn't share the formula, but they do have a system now.

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  Tanner's gotta be the expert in that system.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Dude, he talked to me for like an hour, and that was amazing, but he's like, yeah, if you want to go 400 feet, you gotta start bringing in like ailerons, because it was fascinating, talking about the Hot Wheels jump, the rotation of the engine had to be like thought about, because you're flying so far, and then the truck will start to like list and roll. And he, and he's like, if you want to go any further than most of us have really gone, you have to start compensating for that with active aero.

• 1:13:30Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Which is, you're building an airplane.

• 1:13:33Matt Farah?

  Meaning you then have to fly the car?

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, because then you would either need, like Pastrana, you know, on the the family Huckster, they've got that active aero to kind of change the pitch of it in the air so they can do long jumps and stay flat. But now, you know, Tanner's talking about the rotation on that axis, which is a whole different ballgame.

• 1:13:53Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Super crazy.

• 1:13:55Matt Farah?

  Well, I wonder. If you're talking about the rotation because of the engine, I wonder if Subaru being a flat engine.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  I think it was the crank.

• 1:14:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  So I think it's, I think you have to compensate for the crank rotation over that. Cause the Hot Wheels jump was 346 feet or 372 feet. It was extremely far, a lot of hang time. And when he came down, if you go watch the video, I think the successful landing, he came down on the side of the tire, folded the tire and like the wheel caught and then it went back, you know, landed upright. But if he'd flown probably 20 more feet, I mean, he probably just landed on the side of the wheel and then slid. Um, let's watch this real quick and then we will go to the question.

• 1:14:37Matt Farah?

  This is Brayden sending it?

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been re-uploaded so many times.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, brand new Raptor Super Crew?

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  It took the cup out of the car.

• 1:14:45Matt Farah?

  It's a good thing he took the cup out of the car.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  It didn't happen to that Stanley. So you got a great Raptor off in the distance. So here, did you see the road, right?

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  It's definitely a six cylinder. Oh, this is all, huh?

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  That's the jump. So maybe it's like a foot tall.

• 1:14:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, about a foot, but it's a short kicker.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  The kicker is maybe two feet long?

• 1:15:04Matt Farah?

  Dude, if you wanted to jump this, you'd hit it at 10.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Yes, and then you'd floor it and you'd still.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  You could, you could start a foot from the jump, just right? And just floor it from there is how you would do it.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  And it's, the jump length is the width of a road.

• 1:15:18Matt Farah?

  Oh shit, he's coming in hot, hot as fuck. Yeah, he's super hot. Oh my God. Oh wow.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Full cartwheel forward.

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  That was a major donkey kick.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  But he came in at 50, 60 miles per hour.

• 1:15:34Matt Farah?

  Top of fourth gear.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, and uh.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  So bad. I hope that guy didn't die. That looks fucking terrible.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  I think I'm, like, I learned a lot about jumping cars that I, more than I ever thought I could, and I'm really glad I did so that I didn't hurt myself. It is a little bit more complicated than people think.

• 1:15:50Matt Farah?

  Just because, I don't even know if they'll be real, but click the comments and see if there's any kind of link to whether or not someone died doing that.

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  Just a bunch of bad memes, a bunch of people correctly identifying what happened. And

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Good thing

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  Do we have a driver update yet? Let's see if there's some replies to that. Uh, no, no, nope. Uh, no, it doesn't say. Okay. Well, if anyone knows if that guy lived, don't

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  A lot of airbags deployed. I, yeah.

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  I hope that person's

• 1:16:25Matt Farah?

  That's fucking nuts. That's crazy shit.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  Let's go to the people. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is how you get in the game. You can ask questions of the show. You can get the show early. You can get the show without ads. You get extra show and you get access to exclusive collabs and things that we come up with that are very fun. And let's see what those people have to say. Bald, bearded and beautiful. I can relate. Uh, thinking of replacing my Taycan cross Turismo. And the new Taycons with improved range are still very pricey. What about a Macan GTS EV? I have driven none of the Macan electrics. Um, Zach, you've driven two of them, haven't you?

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  No, I just drove the first one on the launch. So I have not, I have no exposure to the GTS, but I imagine it's stiffer and therefore like a little bit less comfortable, but I think it really depends on where you live. Like I, I drove the, on the launch, we were in France, I think. Like roads are smooth, curvy and, excuse me, I was not wanting for a stiffer vehicle. Like it, it was plenty quick and plenty fun in the corners. So I don't know. For me, the GTSs I've driven, the Taycan GTS is so fun, but only if you drive it in the way that really benefits from that kind of performance.

• 1:17:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The Taycan GTS was similar.

• 1:17:50Matt Farah?

  In 95% of ways to my Taycan 4, unless you're going fast.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  You know, when you're doing everyday things from cruising on the highway to running errands, to sitting in traffic, they're the same car, especially with EVs specifically. Like, you're, you're, I mean, the power will go from here to here. You know, it'll go from whatever the base Taycan 4 is, 300 and something horsepower, to the 600 horsepower Taycan Turbo, right? Is it 600?

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Something like that.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  6 something, whatever. So the GTS will be 500. I don't, I don't even know. But they all feel the same at half throttle.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  And so it's really gonna be about, do you want the GTS ride?

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  That is it, yeah.

• 1:18:36Matt Farah?

  Run GMC, I like that. Thoughts on the 2014 to 18 Audi RS7? I love my Golf R, but I want something a little more mature. That's mature is the right word. Those RS7s are fast as fuck. They're not particularly interesting to drive. They're not like dynamic, but they're fast. They handle alright.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  They look cool.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they do look cool. I mean, I went on the press launch for that car. I did 200 miles an hour on the press launch in the middle of fucking desert in that car. Like, that is a legitimate 200 mile an hour car. ZF 8-speed gearbox, stout. I haven't heard any terrible horror stories.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  I don't know, I would do your research on if there are horror stories, like look at forums or whatever before you get it, because it is, it's a complicated Audi. It's a twin turbo V8, but I think they're rad. And yeah, it is more mature, for sure. It's got a presence to it, man. Great design.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, poop to sample. Kind of fun. Favorite watch, new or used, from $8,000 to $12,000, from these brands? Is this one per each brand?

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  I guess, yeah. Okay. Tag the new Carrera glass box. IWC. Uh, the 41 millimeter Pilot Watch, metal bracelet. Straightforward, simple. Um, uh, Omega, that's gonna be the white dial Speedmaster. Uh, Panerai is gonna be the radio mirror 45 millimeter, always, keep it very simple. Rolex for that price. Eight to 12. As far as I know, that'll get you into a no date sub. That's probably where, where I'm at. Or that new cream oyster perpetual 41.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  It's pretty fire, that pistachio joint. I'm OnlyFans top supporter. What's crazier? Oh, this is crazy. Is this, can you pull up the Mecum Ferrari results? Someone spent 1.8 million on a 360 Stradale and someone else spent 18 million on an Enzo. At, uh, 17 million on an Enzo. That's, uh, there, that'll, that should do it. Uh, the yellow, that's the full yellow collection, but also, uh, that David Lee guy bought the white GTO for 38 million. What we got?

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  But the, the, the, the 17 million dollar Enzo, other than being yellow, let's see, what is it about this? Uh, one of 11 yellow Enzos delivered to the US. It only done 649 miles. Okay. So, that's. That's a good shade of yellow. I, I just.

• 1:21:43Matt Farah?

  I don't get that. That's, that's very stra- I don't see eight figures for Enzos.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  I'd rather get two Koenigsegg or more, you know, that's, that is so much money.

• 1:21:57Matt Farah?

  Dude, that's so much money. You could, and, and I've driven Enzos, like, they're cool, but fucking nah. That's a single clutch gearbox, dude. That's not-

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  Well, cause what did someone say that the F-50 went for at the same auction?

• 1:22:14Matt Farah?

  Nine point, oh, there's an F-50 at this auction? Oh, here's an F-50. Nine point, wait. 12 fucking million? What are they, is this just all crypto scams? Like, who are the, who's paying this much money for this shit?

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Crypto's down a lot, so I doubt it.

• 1:22:30Matt Farah?

  This is, this is very much the, the haves, the have-nots, and the have lots. This is, I mean, if you, if you have billions, the fuck do you care between nine and 12, you know? And I can't possibly imagine-

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Let's see, it was owned by a golfer, uh, doesn't say who bought it.

• 1:22:49Matt Farah?

  Ian Poulter, Ian Poulter, the golfer. The last one, the 9.24, was owned by Ralph Lauren, a guy known for collecting fucking special Ferraris.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  And that sold last year.

• 1:22:58Matt Farah?

  That was one year ago.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  So one year ago was 9.2.

• 1:23:02Matt Farah?

  And by the way, Ralph's was yellow. Ralph's was yellow, this one's red. There's very few yellow F-50s. There's a lot of red ones.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  I mean, imagine when, when your bank account has billions and you get drunk at the auction.

• 1:23:15Matt Farah?

  That's this.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  And, you know, maybe, and maybe someone else has the same account and they're drunk, and they go, and you just go back and forth.

• 1:23:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I, I understand eight figures for an F-50 more than I do for an Enzo.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather have a F-50.

• 1:23:30Matt Farah?

  Uh, wait, and what, so an F-40, this dude, this F-40 sold for 6.6 million and 5.8, that's crazy money for F-40s. These guys had a good day down there at Mika. Can you find this Challenge Stradale? Because that's really the most absurd. There was, I don't know where it went, but there was, someone paid 1.8 million dollars for a 360 Challenge Stradale, which apparently it was a good, um, a good color.

• 1:24:02Matt Farah?

  Add

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  It's too big.

• 1:24:07Matt Farah?

  Do Mecum 20, Mecum 2026. There it, uh. There it is. Two days ago. Uh, the second, whatever that Instagram link is, two days ago. That.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  So this is 1.87 million.

• 1:24:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, fi- fi- fi- uh, finished in an extra Campionario non-standard color, British racing green, 375 mile car. So, so you can't drive it. This is a museum car.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  So you have, you have a dark green Challenger Dali.

• 1:24:42Matt Farah?

  It's very pretty, green tan.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I need to see in the sun.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  But you, maybe there's more photos. But you cannot drive it. That is, that is the thing. It's, it's, it stays parked and that's it.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  That, and that sucks.

• 1:24:55Matt Farah?

  It does. It's a great interior. Yeah, it's a great spec. Yeah.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  I mean, hopefully whoever bought it is brave enough to drive it. Just, I mean, if you have all the money, I mean, we've talked about this before, like, they don't want the number to go down. But then what's the point of getting the super cool thing?

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  Nobody's spending that kind of money on this car for the number to go down. It's not happening.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Like, what does a normal CS go for these days?

• 1:25:18Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's a laughable $400,000 because this is about $150,000 driving experience.

• 1:25:30Matt Farah?

  Look on, look on, uh, look on bat.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  Here, this one, in September of last year, this one went to 610.

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  That was a record.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:38Matt Farah?

  610 was the record for one of these, and goddamn is it good in silver.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  I think it's better in silver than the green.

• 1:25:44Matt Farah?

  Better in silver.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  The green one might be the only one.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  Go down. How many, does it say how many miles were on it? Keep going, keep going, keep going. It says 17,000 miles.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  4,500 miles.

• 1:25:56Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. Uh. No, no, go up.

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  Go up, go up. Oh, no, sorry. There it just said it was like the next paragraph down. I thought it said seventeen. Oh, seventeen thousand units. Excuse me. How many miles? Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. The miles are also low. It just says low. All right, well, it's great. It's great in silver.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  That is awesome.

• 1:26:22Matt Farah?

  Dude, honestly, I would, I. Look, they sound great and they look great, but you you'd wreck the value converting one to manual. And they're the manual cars are just so much fucking better.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  See, this one, this one.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  Eight hundred and twenty-six miles.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Oh, but that's.

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  December twenty twenty-five. This is like a DK. That's a DK photo for sure. That's gotta be DK engineering. Yes, it is. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yeah, I'll tell you what, I'd rather spend, by the way, this blue is fabulous on this car. I'd rather spend that money from DK knowing you're getting a full serviced, you know, fresh car. These guys are gonna service the shit out of that thing.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, this one was sold for five hundred thousand British pounds last year. I don't know.

• 1:27:13Matt Farah?

  That's that's. So what's crazier, spending seventeen million on an Enzo or one point eight million on a Stradale you can't drive?

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  I think the Stradale because it's supposed to be a racetrack car and it's supposed to be driven. And the I mean, the Enzo, you could say it is. The Enzo has always been, it's like one of the first hypercars. It's always been a flagship, a flagship. It's been collectible from the moment they had it, announced it. And this, I mean, it's collectible because it's cool, but it's just like, I don't know, it's based on their normal entry level car, right?

• 1:27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and like you could get another, a low mile Ferrari three sixty for so much less money. And even if you wanted to change the fucking color, you know, or have it re-trimmed or whatever, like it just. I don't, I don't see the value in, in spending enormous money on a car you can't drive. So I gotta say it's more crazy to spend 1.8 million on a brick of a, of a Challenger.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  And I think you could build your own CS, you could get close with a whatever 360. You can't build your own, you can't take a lesser car and build it up to Enzo.

• 1:28:21Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  There's no mid-engine V12 car that they have. They go, oh, this is the cheap one.

• 1:28:26Matt Farah?

  Well, if you, if you really want a yellow Enzo, it becomes about, well, how many are there? Who's selling it? When are they selling it? How do you wanna, how, how much do you wanna pay to get one out of somebody's hands versus here's one that's for sale right now? That's crazy. All of that shit is crazy. That's, this is gonna be really something because we, you have shit like this happening where a Ferrari, a Ferrari F50 somehow the, uh, record sales 30, you know, goes from nine million to 12 million in a year. Meanwhile, like, regular people can't fucking afford regular cars.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:06Matt Farah?

  And enthusiasts of cars, um, just have no fucking options.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  I mean, you could get, uh, cars and bids in December. A red 360 manual sold for 110.

• 1:29:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's where you wanna be. Uh...

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. What's your bad scenario that you secretly wish happens so you can save the day?

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Uh, well, sometimes, but if I watch a bank heist movie, I go, I could be the driver.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  Danaway driver?

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Which is not a hero at all. Uh, but I think something like that, like, someone has to get to the hospital immediately.

• 1:29:49Matt Farah?

  Well, I, I had this happen. I once, I came upon a crash up on the top of the fucking road, right, like, before satellite texting became a thing like two years ago. And someone had to go to cell phone service and call for fucking help. And boy, was it my day. I was in my pink car. And I drove as fast as fucking possible with no disregard for laws and really almost anything else to get to service. And I did call and then I saw the fucking chopper going the other way when I finally got to the highway. It was great.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, it wasn't great. The guy was very hurt and I hope he's okay. I don't think he... It didn't look like he was gonna die, but like, he was alive when I left.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  I forget, was it motorcycle or car?

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  Motorcycle. Yeah, motorcycle. But, uh, yeah, I got to drive as fast as possible to cell service to call the ambulance or the chopper. Yeah. What else?

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Oh, right. Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:50Matt Farah?

  So much fuck Mary kills. I need to take a break from those for a minute.

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  Uh... I don't have an answer for that one. Uh... I blow horns. Are there any vehicles that are mediocre at five, seven tenths but come alive at the limit? I would genuinely think that good limit behavior would correlate with good linear sub-limit behavior, but was curious if you've ever experienced the opposite?

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  I think the second part of their statement is correct. Usually a car that feels, you know, pretty good below the limit. Well, no, they fall apart. Some of them fall apart at eight tenths. We've talked about that before. Like, a lot of Jaguars usually did that.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  But feel good at the limit.

• 1:31:41Matt Farah?

  So I have one.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Below.

• 1:31:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, and I have one that's interesting. The BMW M2, I'm not particularly interested in most of the time. But when I had it on the track and I went full off, it's a complete animal that you have to like, fucking ride like a bull around the track. Like, it wants to spin the tires through fourth gear. It, it is so unbelievably pointy. If you're braking and you turn in, it will initiate a slide. And like, that's the shit. Like, when you go full off in an M2 on a track, it's unbelievably fun. I don't find it all that interesting on the street.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think that's true. A lot of cars now are, unless they're loud, I think, character seems to be getting engineered out of cars just by having all the NVH and stuff. So if it's quiet inside, it's like, it's less about being at the limit and more about like, you can truly experience the car. But below that, they can feel too quiet.

• 1:32:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Matt Paradigm Titties, Matt Paradigm Titties, there you go.

• 1:32:49Matt Farah?

  I have a lifted 2020 4Runner that I want to trade in. I live in Colorado and want more mountain power. Put stock tires back on your 4Runner, you get like 100 horsepower.

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  But I also want to get to campsites and do some medium off-roading reliably. I have an FJ Cruiser for more hardcore stuff. Is the Land Cruiser 250 a good pick, or should I get a 2020 GX460?

• 1:33:17Matt Farah?

  Look, I don't do much off-roading, like, so, and we drove the Land Cruiser, and it was nice. The one we drove was the hybrid one, the four-cylinder hybrid one, which I thought was pretty good at off-roading, and I thought it was better than the Lexus, not better, it was a better value than the Lexus GX that they're selling right now, which for all of its price difference did not really feel all that much different most of the time.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  I think the 2020, Vinny's new one's 2021, right?

• 1:33:52Matt Farah?

  It's an LX too. This is a GX, which is a V8.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, the fuel economy will be way better in the new car than the old car. But I don't know what it's like to drive the current Land Cruiser at 8,000 feet up and down mountains. I really don't. I drove it slowly up an off-road trail, and other than that, just around.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  It might be good at that because it's a hybrid plus it has a turbo. That might help it. It'll certainly be nicer, it'll be nice inside. But I don't know, if I was going to own one for a really long time, I would drift towards the GX just because it's an old Lexus V8. It seems like a really known quantity.

• 1:34:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:34Matt Farah?

  Ali Denishvar, which brand, which traditional OEM that have, where brands have entered the EV market, which one has been the most successful?

• 1:34:51Matt Farah?

  Like, what mainstream OEM that entered the EV market has been the most successful?

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Not Mercedes.

• 1:35:04Matt Farah?

  Huh? Not Mercedes? I would say either Ford or Hyundai Kia.

• 1:35:12Matt Farah?

  Probably, right?

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:13Matt Farah?

  Probably. Probably, uh, probably Hyundai Kia. They've expanded to a whole line of cars.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  I think I see more, yeah, cause like the EV9, I see a lot of those.

• 1:35:24Matt Farah?

  There's a ton of EV9s around.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  I think it's like one of the best three-row SUV EVs you can, like, it's one of the best offered out there.

• 1:35:32Matt Farah?

  There's also a bunch of the Ioniq 6s.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  I see a lot of Ioniq 6s. I see a lot of 5s here, too. I don't see that many Mach-Es. I see like, I don't know, one a week, maybe two a week. I saw a rally up in Malibu.

• 1:35:43Matt Farah?

  A week? Oh, I see a lot of Mach-Es around, but I don't, I see a lot more EV6s and Ioniq 5s than I do Mach-Es. Yeah. BMW electrics are just not that interesting to me. They, they're kind of bland in ways that... Like, there's very little about a BMW EV that makes it stand out to me from a Hyundai or Kia EV or Ford in a meaningful way, which is unfortunate. Same goes for kind of Audi. You have to get pretty... Your high-end EVs have to be pretty fucking odd, like... Taycan drives like a Porsche in a lot of ways, which, you know, is, is really to its benefit.

• 1:36:23Matt Farah?

  The Lucid and the Rivian are, are unique in their own ways. The Lucid's packaging, the Rivian's like software and speed and build quality, you know, those are, those are really, really good. If you're, for just like average, regular cars, tough to justify a BMW electric car.

• 1:36:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, I may be a snowflake, but my grand seco is two. Anytime I hear uh, anyone speak about Audi sports sedans, they say they get boring after about three months, but I never hear that about the Golf R. It's not the same car, but a platform is a platform. Despite this, the Golf R is talked about positively as a long-term solution, but the RS3 isn't.

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  I think we, like we've said, and you've heard from customers, like the RS6 boards them after a couple of months.

• 1:37:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the bigger sedans.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  The bigger sedans. I think it's less common with the smaller ones because the people that are buying Golf Rs and RS3s, I think are driving enthusiasts more. They've made a little more money than maybe Civic-type R people. They want to have a slightly nicer car. They want an M2 with four doors, basically. But I think there's a deeper love and interest in those cars. They're bought by enthusiasts versus fast Audi sedans, S6, S8, RS7, whatever. It's like someone's just rotating into their newest fast sedan.

• 1:37:49Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  And they go, "Okay, I've done it. What else is out there?"

• 1:37:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I don't think the RS3 and the S3 are in the same class as those bigger cars. I think they're, I think the things you say about the Golf R probably apply to those two cars fairly equally as well.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  I think the RS3, S3, and the Golf R are all made to bring car enthusiasts into the brand and in the hope that they will then buy a Q6 when they have kids. That's what it's for.

• 1:38:18Matt Farah?

  Right. David, "Two in the pink, one in the stink," wants us to weigh in on this auction on Bring a Trailer that allegedly uses AI images. Pick 18, it has two column shifters. Can we take a look at that? Is this for real? No reserve, withdrawn. Well, I guess it was withdrawn for this reason. But let's go look at pick 18 with the two column shifters.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Well, first, like this...

• 1:38:50Matt Farah?

  Something looks a little weird about this.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  It looks like the car is coming out of the ground on this third picture. Look at the angle of the seat and the road behind it.

• 1:39:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, something is weird there, but keep going. All right, this is, go down to the gallery, all the way to the gallery. And let's go to the pick number 18. You can just, if you click one, it'll bring it up and you can just click the arrows. Here's 16. Oh, shit.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:39:18Matt Farah?

  There do appear to be two column shifters. Can you zoom, click the magnifying glass, top right? Let's see if we can punch in on that further. Is that all we've got? No?

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Oh, one, let me punch in.

• 1:39:31Matt Farah?

  That's it. Well, that does look a little wonky.

• 1:39:37Matt Farah?

  There, there do appear to be two column shifters coming out of the steering column there. And there was another one that said the floor mats were pebbles.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  Cobblestone floor, I mean, yeah, so you got two shift, this is, and this, ah, like the vents weird.

• 1:39:52Matt Farah?

  No, I don't, I don't know if that's weird, but the, the two column shifters is bad, for sure. Uh, wait, wait, look, there's no door frame. Look, that, this door, that's a, that's not a frameless door.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:40:05Matt Farah?

  There's, there's a photo showing the passenger side interior door card. And there's literally no forward door frame in a car that does have.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Now, it's funny, there's a huge side mirror, and then there's just nothing above it.

• 1:40:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  It's just open.

• 1:40:21Matt Farah?

  But there's a rear door frame. That's fucking hilarious, dude.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  So how did, like, what? I mean, this is a picture of the odometer, and it's got like a reflection of someone's hand. So someone.

• 1:40:35Matt Farah?

  You think there was someone was just cleaning it all up?

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  I think, no, I think someone wanted to see if they could get away with this.

• 1:40:41Matt Farah?

  Like, do you think it's a fake car?

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:43Matt Farah?

  You think it's a completely fake car?

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Matt Farah?

  And you think someone was gonna collect money? And then just not deliver a car?

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Possible, or they were just testing their software and, and like, like, look, what better place to test your fake car software than on an auction site where people pay attention to everything?

• 1:40:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  And, like, this.

• 1:41:04Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know.

• 1:41:05Matt Farah?

  But do, I don't, do, so you think it's a completely fake car? I don't think so.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  You think, you think just some of the pictures were fake then?

• 1:41:14Matt Farah?

  I think some of the pictures are fake, and some of the pictures are real.

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  Weird. Now, you know, maybe, now, your theory also holds water, like, someone took these pictures of the regular car. And then they're like, oh, let's clean these up a bit.

• 1:41:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  And they just, they ran it and they uploaded.

• 1:41:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  And then they went, oh, fuck it, cleaned it up and added two shifters, but that's, yeah, that might be a thing.

• 1:41:35Matt Farah?

  I think it's more likely that somebody, oh, look, look at the back, the back is cobblestone.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  It's cobblestone carpet. So for people listening, the car is parked on like a cobblestone-ish, a stone driveway.

• 1:41:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  And now the carpet in the backseat has kind of mirrored that pattern of multiple different sized blocks. And it's gone. The next picture, you go to the next picture, and it's just the normal rug.

• 1:41:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  This is really weird.

• 1:42:01Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny, dude.

• 1:42:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, look, in this photo, all the carpets are cobblestone in photo number 30.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Do you have Randy Nonn with his cell phone number asking what's going on?

• 1:42:13Matt Farah?

  Dude, this is so funny.

• 1:42:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, look, look, look, you can see the cobblestone.

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  So the engine, the radiator support is gone and you can just see the cobblestones through it, which, you know, actually could be real if they're missing that, that part. This is wild.

• 1:42:30Matt Farah?

  Dude, that, oh, look, there it is.

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  It's back.

• 1:42:33Matt Farah?

  The radiator shroud has returned.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  That's so, yeah, I think, I think your idea, man, these pictures.

• 1:42:41Matt Farah?

  Dude, someone was just real lazy.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  I think you're right, because the, like, the shadow on this is all really nice and artsy, and they kind of turned the contrast up on the photo a bit. But here, they just ran it through, yeah, AI, you know, Adobe Photoshop automatic process, and it fucked their world up.

• 1:42:58Matt Farah?

  This is why you should have West Side Collector Car Storage help you list your car. That's crazy. That's so funny.

• 1:43:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, you fucked up, bro. Nice mid-mod house, though, in the back, a little Beverly Hills vibe. It's definitely grandpa's fucking Cadillac of Beverly Hills. Hell, yeah.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Very, wow, problematic.

• 1:43:21Matt Farah?

  Rules. Ah, God, that's so funny.

• 1:43:25Matt Farah?

  I love that. Uh, you're, oh, man.

• 1:43:31Matt Farah?

  I, I like the, Carl's matzo ball soup says, what would your dream movie be? Dude, we.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  I would have, I, I looked at this question earlier. I was like, this is complicated. I would have George Miller, who did, you know, direct, wrote and directed Mad Max Fury 0, I'd have him direct some car movie and all, only practical effects. That's all I got.

• 1:43:55Matt Farah?

  I couldn't tell you what my dream movie would be. I think it's That's crazy. Too complicated a question. Instead, I'll tell you this. Hannah was on Facebook Marketplace yesterday morning, as she is most mornings, and she found a Demolition Man movie car set. It is a set of all the GM concept cars used in Demolition Man. Make offer $50, and now we have new additions to the Demolition Man bathroom. Where are you gonna put them in the bathroom? We're gonna have to make a shelf. You know what'd be cool? You could, like, stick it to the wall, like, as if they're driving up the wall, like a chase. Oh, that could be fun. Some sticky things. Christian just got us a cordless hot glue gun, so we will have a need to play with that. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:43Matt Farah?

  Matt's missing Countach part. If you had to pick one car that the worst drivers drive, what is it? This is very easy. Model 3. The Model 3 or a Nissan Altima. Those are your, those are your two gold standards.

• 1:44:58Matt Farah?

  Light Bias says, is Breitling turning their fortunes around with the enthusiast crowd? There seems to be very solid feedback on their new in-house movements. It seems like they're still in limbo. What can Breitling do to better their standing? I, I think Breitling's watches look really nice right now. The problem with Breitling was like, they, they got, when my dad was running Ralph Lauren, and like, rappers and shit started buying clothes, like Kanye started buying polos, and all these guys started buying polos. Ralph very wisely, like, resisted the urge to change anything in order to target

• 1:45:40Matt Farah?

  the, uh, this new customer base. Fucking headfirst, right? Tommy Hilfiger changed his shit all around to target that type of customer. And then when that trend went away, Hilfiger was fucked, and Ralph was able to continue on. Breitling was Hilfiger. Breitling went with these huge, blingy, gaudy shit, and then almost overnight, huge watches were like, instantly not cool anymore. So they had to like redesign all their shit to be a little more contemporary, and now they're doing a nice job. But just like all other Swiss watch brands that aren't Rolex, AP, or Patek...

• 1:46:21Matt Farah?

  You know, you still want to buy one used like fucking 50% off, right? They're like any mid-tier luxury Swiss brand. Their watches will depreciate. You can probably negotiate a bit in the stores, but they are quite nice. And I'm having my Super Ocean serviced right now so I can wear it later this, when I go to the Caribbean later.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  I know your birthday just happened, but I'm looking at the Breitling NFL Editions. And I think I found, I'm gonna get you your birthday present early.

• 1:46:53Matt Farah?

  The other thing is, they went from these corny-ass Bentley watches to now they're doing these corny-ass NFL Edition watches. And so, sometimes they just can't help themselves. What do you get at the dealership? But I like the Premier. Go back to the website, on the right, the Premier is their sort of, it's their vintage style. These are very nice. I'm a big, the Premier BO1, that one right in the middle on the steel bracelet. Oh, this one looks like it might be gold.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  It's rose gold.

• 1:47:20Matt Farah?

  Alright, it's rose gold. But that, just this one, but like in steel? What the fuck is their website doing? Whoa. Habibi.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Sorry, I just gave everyone an epileptic seizure.

• 1:47:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, websites, you have to put a trigger warning on that motherfucker, but that's a very pretty watch. I really like these Breitling Premiers. That's in the middle, the Pistachio. That, that's fucking class. That's real nice.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  This is like a pink-orange face.

• 1:47:45Matt Farah?

  Pink-orange?

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Kinda.

• 1:47:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Did I call it Pistachio? Alright, stop clicking on it, brother. There it is. That's a beautiful watch. I don't like the leather, I would get it on bracelet, but that's a beautiful watch.

• 1:47:57Speaker 01

  I'll get your, um, can I let you answer these while I go to the restroom?

• 1:48:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I have to pee too. I think we should end our show soon.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  Well, we got a PPF one, which you'll understand.

• 1:48:06Matt Farah?

  Great. Michael Cosgrove says, "Suggestions for a new car to replace my daily driver M3. That's 90% as competent navigating fast-moving highway traffic, but 20% better sound and comfort. I have a Boxer for a weekend sports car itch." I really wish you specified if you wanted, if you were willing to get an electric car. Because if you are, you should get a Taycan. Assuming you want a gas car, I would say...

• 1:48:40Matt Farah?

  90% as competent as an M3. Navigating highway traffic, but 20% better sound and comfort. Well, you could get something like a regular BMW 340 M-Sport, which would pretty much be that same thing. If you wanted to keep it in the BMW family. You could also get a Gasmacon, which I think like a Gasmacon GTS would be sweet. You could get a Genesis G80. That would be pretty cool.

• 1:49:17Matt Farah?

  You could get a Audi S5, which I don't really love the new S5, but maybe you do. You can get the Lexus IS500 while you've got that. Really cool engine. That'll be fun. Lexus LC500. That would be sick. Infiniti LGBTQ50. I had PPF put on my Alfa Romeo 4C back in October 2016. I'm going to continue to hold on to the car. Should I have the shop take off the old PPF and put on new PPF since you've mentioned not to let it go too long? I would. I would if you figure you're going to keep it for another 10 years.

• 1:50:02Matt Farah?

  I definitely would.

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  What are the risks if you don't have it removed or replaced? I mean, yellows?

• 1:50:07Matt Farah?

  The longer it sits, the harder it is to get off. So that's the problem. I mean, whoever takes it off, it's going to be a bitch. It might cost you more money. I don't, 2016? That's like a Larry question. Normally, we have problems with PPF removal when it's like pre-2012. 16 is like a transitional kind of area. You could probably get that off without much trouble. But I wouldn't let it sit for too long. 10 years, 10 years with PPF is about when I would take it off and replace it. What do I, check engine light bulb remover club. What do you look for in your watch movements? Accuracy, robustness, innovation, decoration, in-house heritage?

• 1:50:52Matt Farah?

  Does it depend on the brand or is it even high on your list of considerations with a watch? Wow.

• 1:51:01Matt Farah?

  I don't...

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  I'll take this one.

• 1:51:05Matt Farah?

  Have you ever, I mean, do you think about your watch movements much?

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  No. But I just trust what I have. Like, I've got, you know, Notice and Rolex and the Weiss, and I'm like, "These are nice."

• 1:51:14Matt Farah?

  These are nice.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  I like, I think about the Weiss movement because I've met the guy that made it and I saw where he made it.

• 1:51:19Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:51:22Matt Farah?

  Well, let's see. What do I, the fact is, I don't think about movements all that often. I think about them when they are novel. So, I think about Spring Drive. You know, that led, the interest in Spring Drive led me to Grand Seiko. I think about the Weiss movement because my friend made it and because it's a hand wind. I like looking at the back of that Speedmaster because it's an uncovered chronograph movement and there's like a shit ton of stuff going on in there to look at, and that's kind of fun. But like, most of the time, I am not necessarily thinking about movements the same way as I'm thinking about how it feels on my wrist, how it looks, how it sits, does it keep good enough time,

• 1:52:03Matt Farah?

  you know, that, that sort of thing. If the movement is crucial to my appreciation of the watch, then that's a different story. But I think as long as the movement keeps good time and is, is robust enough that it can handle my day-to-day life, then it's not as high as the fit, the look, and the story of the watch for me. Last one, and then I have to pee too. But it's also Matt Paradigm Titties. What pivotal sports car, if erased from existence, would change car culture as it is today? Miata.

• 1:52:41Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Matt Farah?

  Miata or 911?

• 1:52:47Matt Farah?

  Erased from existence, meaning never happened?

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  Uh, Dino.

• 1:52:54Matt Farah?

  Ferrari Dino?

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Go Dino.

• 1:52:55Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Mid-engine, right?

• 1:52:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  Their first mid-engine road car offering.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  Would other people have followed suit? Someone else probably would have done it, but...

• 1:53:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, I mean, there's a lot. I mean, there's, there's a lot of pivotal sports cars.

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  NSX.

• 1:53:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If you never get the NSX, Ferrari never starts building good cars, you know?

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  That, yeah, I would actually choose that over the Dino.

• 1:53:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Thanks, everybody. I appreciate you. Our next show I'm gonna be doing from Sedona, because I'm going on a little road trip for Road and Track to scout for the Desert 600. It's up at experiences.roadandtrack.com. You can sign up and come drive with me in April. Uh, we're starting in Vegas, doing Las Vegas Motor Speedway. We're doing Valley of Fire. We're doing Zion National Park. We're going to Sedona, staying in Oberg, and then we're ending in Scottsdale. It's gonna be fun, mountain, desert roads, cool racetracks, good times, great hotels. And I'm going to make sure the road is really good in the next five days. So I'll talk to you later this week from Sedona. Thanks to our patrons for such good questions.

• 1:54:02Matt Farah?

  Thanks to everybody else for listening. Bye.