Hosted by Fran Racioppi
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This episode of the podcast features a conversation with the command team of First Special Forces Command, including Brigadier General Joseph Wertham, Command Sergeant Major Lionel Strong, and Chief Warrant Officer Five Jerry Brown, recorded at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Museum at Fort Bragg. The discussion focuses on how US Army Special Forces, Civil Affairs, and Psychological Operations are evolving to meet modern peer-adversary threats while maintaining their core identity and partner-focused philosophy. The guests explain why the foundational 12-man ODA structure remains the right core size, how new technology like unmanned systems is being integrated through specialized technical MOSs and warrant officers rather than overloading team members, and how special operations forces support large-scale combat operations in the deep fight. Listeners will gain concrete insights into military modernization, force readiness, and the balance between technological innovation and human-centric culture.
The host introduces the episode, the guests, and the podcast’s purpose.
General Wertham, CSM Strong, and CW5 Brown are welcomed and briefly introduced.
The leaders explain that First Special Forces Command relies on partners and collaboration to achieve mission success.
Discussion of how language, cultural awareness, and empathy are built into training to enable effective partner operations.
The 12‑man ODA’s historical role, current relevance, and potential evolution for future conflicts are examined.
Discussion on the importance of recruiting, assessing, and selecting high-quality personnel for the First Special Forces Command.
CSMs and leaders discuss initiatives to articulate core values and improve the regiment’s culture through external feedback and internal reflection.
Speakers highlight why soldiers choose and stay in Special Operations, focusing on challenge, camaraderie, and mission impact.
Reflection on how the culture and values of the regiment endure after soldiers leave, influencing future generations and national security.
Hosts and guests wrap up the episode, thanking listeners and encouraging support for the Green Beret Foundation and future podcasts.
Unique Partner-Focused Cultureinsight
The guests explain that First Special Forces Command is unique because it never operates alone and views every mission through a partner-focused lens.
Retaining The 12-Man ODAdebate
The leaders analyze the historical evolution of the ODA and conclude that the 12-man team remains the smallest effective package containing all necessary warfighting functions.
Creating A New Robotics MOSstrategy
To keep pace with a six-week innovation cycle in drone technology, the command is establishing a dedicated military occupational specialty for robotics rather than overloading existing team members.
Bottom-Up Innovation Examplestory
Command Sergeant Major Strong shares an anecdote about a veteran team sergeant transitioning his personal focus from sniper rifles to soldering circuit boards and building drones.
Shaping The Deep Fightinsight
The guests outline how special forces support large-scale combat operations by conducting deep sensing, sabotaging enemy infrastructure, and influencing adversary command decisions.
“For US Army Special Forces, rapid evolution while maintaining the people, partnerships, and culture that have made Special Forces effective for generations is the key to success on today's battlefield.”
“When you look at readiness, what are your top priorities?”
“The ODA, at least from my, my experience, is the most diverse organization at the team level than any probably unit of action in the Department of War.”
“We have to question number four, structure and say, okay, the organization's been, as Chief said, been around since 1952 and we've had 12-man ODA's.”
“America's adversaries are adapting in weeks instead of years.”
“We spent, everybody here referenced the importance of the people and the quality of the people.”
“We have an MI battalion, we have a sustainment brigade, we have most of the groups, right?”
“I think when you think about what the nation has asked us to do over time, I think it is that culture that was really formed, really during, really the first groups”
The battlefield is changing faster than ever before. Drones can find you. Technology can expose you. America’s adversaries are adapting in weeks instead of years. For U. S. Army Special Forces, rapid evolution while maintaining the people, partnerships, and culture that have made Special Forces effective for generations is the key to success on today’s battlefield. From the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Museum https://www.swcs.mil/Resources/JFK-Special-Warfare-Museum/ at Fort Bragg, Fran Racioppi https://www.linkedin.com/in/francisracioppijr/ sat down with the command team of 1st Special Forces Command https://www.army.mil/1sfc: Brigadier General Joseph Wortham, Command Sergeant Major Lee Strong, and Chief Warrant Officer 5 Jerry Brown https://www.army.mil/1sfc#org-leadership. Together, they lead the US Army’s Green Berets, Civil Affairs, Psychological Operations, and the soldiers who enable them. Their mission - prepare, train and equip Army Special Operations Forces to win against an increasingly complex global threat. We discuss whether the legendary 12-man ODA is still the right formation for the wars of 2030 and 2040, and why the future may not require changing its core, but building new capabilities around it. Robotics and unmanned systems are rapidly becoming part of that evolution, including the development of specialized technical expertise designed to keep pace with technology that can change in a matter of weeks. But technology alone will never define Special Forces. We examine where Green Berets are supporting large-scale combat operations, how Special Forces can shape the deep fight for conventional commanders, and why Psychological Operations, Civil Affairs, and trusted partner forces become even more important against peer adversaries. The battlefield may look different from the one this generation fought throughout the Global War on Terror, but the requirement remains the same: create options, influence the fight, and give the joint force an advantage before the enemy ever knows we’re there. The next generation of Army Special Operations will fight with tools its predecessors could never have imagined. But its greatest advantage will remain the same: exceptional people, trusted partners, and a culture built to take on the missions others cannot. Highlights: 0:00 Introduction 2:23 Welcome to the Jedburgh Podcast 4:05 Importance of Partnerships 8:07 Command Priorities and Readiness 11:41 Evaluating the ODA Structure 20:02 Incorporating Robotics and Unmanned Systems 33:34 Special Forces in LSCO 47:28 Culture of the Regiment Quotes: “We don’t like to do anything by ourselves. We do everything with a partner.”“Those partnerships have to be genuine, they have to be authentic.”“It starts by being a genuine, authentic, good partner, not transactional.”“Humans are more important than hardware.”“When you take really good people that are fit, intelligent, of high character, and you assign them a mission, it doesn’t really matter what their MOS is."“How much demand can we put on them before they reach the point of saturation?”“It’s the smallest package we can get all of the warfighting functions in.”“It cannot be an additional task or an additional hat for someone on the ODA to wear.”“Here’s my rifle, here’s my NODs, here’s my radio, and oh, and here’s my drone.”“We’re small, we’re light, we’re fast, we’re agile, but we’re lethal.”"What we don’t bring in mass, we bring in mass through partnerships.”“Although we cannot prepare holistically for what’s next, we can get a head start this."“In my opinion, our culture is the best it’s ever been.” The Jedburgh Podcast is brought to you by OneBrief https://www.onebrief.com/; enabling military leaders to make innovative, informed and deliberate decisions faster than ever before. Superhuman command wins wars. Follow the Jedburgh Podcast https://www.instagram.com/jedburghpodcast/ and the Green Beret Foundation https://www.instagram.com/greenberetfoundation/ on social media. Listen on your favorite podcast platform https://pod.link/1558608802, read on our website https://greenberetfoundation.org/the-jedburgh-podcast/, and watch the full video version on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@jedburghpodcast as we show why America must continue to lead from the front, no matter the challenge.
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