Don Lemon Arrested For Anti-ICE Church Protest w/ Chris Cuomo | PBD #729

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana are joined by Chris Cuomo as they break down Don Lemon’s arrest during a church protest, the Mangione death penalty ruling, the latest footage of Alex Pretti attacking ICE, and Trump’s nomination of Kevin Warsh as Federal Reserve chair. ------ 🏈 VT GAMEDAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4qecMKp 🎙️ PBD & RAND PAUL - LIVE 1/31 @ 9AM: https://bit.ly/46oKpSy Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH CHRIS CUOMO: https://bit.ly/3Mh8lAx 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:14Patrick Bet-David?

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• 0:20Patrick Bet-David?

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• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

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• 0:27Speaker 02

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• 0:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

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• 0:30Patrick Bet-David?

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• 0:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So recommending Chosen, cause somebody to flip.

• 0:40Speaker 02

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• 0:46Speaker 03

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• 0:49Speaker 02

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• 0:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you know, listen, whatever you want to call it, guys, breaking news, Don Lemon just got arrested.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 0:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And the timing of it, to, to have, you know, Chris here to talk about, you know, how you feel about it, it's gonna be interesting.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  Divine intervention.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  Don Lemon got arrested.

• 1:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Don Lemon just got arrested.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  In a hotel, in a hotel in L.A.

• 1:15Patrick Bet-David?

  4:00 a.m. this morning, anyways, we'll get into that.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  Arrested in a hotel, well.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  One of many stories, number two, is the, the new chief Federal Reserve, Cal Sheed, that was what, $10 million of bets?

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  Predictions?

• 1:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Positions, $10 million of positions on it, and it was not the person people were betting on, and we'll talk about that. Kevin Warsh, right, who is now the, uh, is who's being nominated. Aside from that, Senate Democrats and White House reached a deal to avoid shutdown. And what are the chances that that was gonna happen? Cause Cal Sheed had that at 78%, that there was gonna be a shutdown. The entire market was, oh, by the way, the Fitcher was a $9 million, $96 million.

• 2:03Adam Sosnick?

  A hundred million dollars bet on who's gonna lead the Fed and a head fake by Trump during the last week.

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so there you have it. Okay, and then aside from that, you got a few other things that's going on. You know, Trump accounts will put three to four trillion dollars of wealth in young Americans' hands. Trump warns Minneapolis mayor, he's playing with fire. We haven't talked about that. We haven't talked about the clip because this this angel, Alex Pretty, who you know, every not this angel, this clip where everybody was telling us he's an angel. I think Elizabeth Warren is saying how amazing he is. Clips came out that this guy, a couple of weeks prior to getting shot, had an incident with with ICE. And you have to see this clip. We've all seen this clip at this point.

• 2:46Adam Sosnick?

  Well, it wasn't the first time?

• 2:47Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll react to it. Yeah, wasn't the first time. No, again, tragic, could have been prevented. If Tim Walz would have cooperated, my opinion, none of this would have happened.

• 2:57Adam Sosnick?

  Shouldn't have happened.

• 2:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But we'll get into it. I'm sure Chris has got a different position here and him and Vinnie can go at it. All right, more than half of Americans have very little confidence in ICE today. Fox News poll, 59% of voters say ICE is too aggressive, up 10 points since July of last year. Minnesota Minneapolis mayor urges other cities to stand firm against immigration crackdown. Kara Swisher said something about Stephen Miller, if I'm not mistaken, that Megyn Kelly reacted to, I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not, with Kara Swisher, what she said about Megyn, about Stephen Miller. That Stephen, she compared Stephen Miller to, who did she compare it to, Ron?

• 3:39Adam Sosnick?

  Hemler. Hemler.

• 3:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Hemler, right.

• 3:40Adam Sosnick?

  One of the hemler. Heinrich Hemler, who was Hitler's right-hand man?

• 3:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 3:45Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 3:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And then there's a clip, Vinnie, I think you want to talk about the Tucker clip of him being in Saudi.

• 3:51Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 3:52Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll get into that as well. There's a guy that tried to allegedly free Luigi Mangione for impersonating an FBI agent. He's been arrested. FBI is searching an election hub in Fulton County. Hillary Clinton and Tucker walks into a Saudi real estate. So Hillary was at this event as well?

• 4:11Speaker 03

  I thought that was a joke for a second.

• 4:13Adam Sosnick?

  Did you really?

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Like two guys walking into a bar?

• 4:18Adam Sosnick?

  There was a whole host of characters there.

• 4:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so it's not just the two.

• 4:22Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, there were some names there. If we can find the names that were there, but.

• 4:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you.

• 4:26Adam Sosnick?

  They were two of the headliners.

• 4:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and probably this next one is is gonna be a top five. I'm gonna go through this story as a top five. Spain legalizes up to 500,000 illegal migrants. Some folks call them undocumented migrants in this article. Spark Inc. backlash. We'll talk about that. European Union opens borders to mass India migration with mother of all deals. China eggs on Canadian PM. Prime Minister Mark Carney trashing US. And then there's a few other things here with California. Fed says California aggressively forcing gender secrecy policy on schools in violation of federal law. A guy named Chris Cuomo returns to Sirius XM with morning talk show deal.

• 5:10Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy Chris is apparently a big deal and he got this.

• 5:14Adam Sosnick?

  The biggest.

• 5:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Vinny, I don't know if you heard, but he's got this deal from.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Wait, are you serious that he's on Sirius right now?

• 5:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's right. And FYI, for whatever reason, somebody forgot to tell him when you're working out, doing cardio, weights, sweating, you're at the end of your workout. You're you're like testosterone has just gone at 1300. And then all of a sudden you want to attack Scott Jennings.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, who was not in the gym.

• 5:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, maybe.

• 5:40Adam Sosnick?

  Play soft jazz music. Don't watch the news.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Wasn't an attack. It was a warning that wound up unfortunately being manifested days later.

• 5:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, well, we'll talk about that. But Michelle Obama's got a message for you, Chris. Black women don't complain enough. And anyways, those are the stories. Guys, there's a game coming up called Super Bowl, right? And Seattle is going up against.

• 6:04Adam Sosnick?

  New England, sir.

• 6:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Patriots. And it's so funny because we can go through a whole different conversation with New England with Bill Belichick. Maybe we'll do that all the way at the end because I'm sure we all have some opinions on Bill Belichick not making into the Hall of Fame. Tom Brady said, if I have to go come back and play with only one coach, I'm not picking anybody else but Bill Belichick. And the guy didn't make it and three other coaches were first ballot Hall of Famers, but this guy didn't. But anyways, Patriots, Seattle Seahawks. While this is happening, you're watching it. And if you believe future looks bright, you may want to wear this gear that we're launching here today. Go ahead, Rob.

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• 7:20Patrick Bet-David?

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• 8:06Patrick Bet-David?

  His lawyer said Friday Lemon was arrested by federal agents in L.A. where he had been covering the Grammy Awards. His attorney, Abel Lowell, said, "Rob, if you want to pull up the article, not the article, but what the lawyer said, because the lawyer wrote a full-on letter reacting to this. If you go on X, type in Don Lemon lawyer, you'll see it. It's on the letterhead. Yes, exactly, right there. So zoom in a little bit, Rob, for us 47-year-olds. There you go. Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in L.A. where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for 30 years. And his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose sole role is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable.

• 8:51Patrick Bet-David?

  There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention, and resources to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. This unperson and attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don Lemon will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly. Chris, thoughts on the story?

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Not happy. I think the key word is, even in the news item, not Don's response, journalist Don Lemon. If he is a journalist, it just makes you feel, you know, there but for the grace. Go I. That if you want to go after people that you don't like, and you have the disposal of the federal government, this is what it looks like. Now, do I think that if he were working at News Nation or at CNN, would he have covered the protest the way he did? No. Why? The dancing around with the people before, going into a protected space as kind of part

• 10:04Speaker 03

  of it, the line of questioning, all of those things I think would have had pushback from people who think about standards and practices. But I think this is a very slippery slope. I also think, just to put my lawyer hat on, I don't think they can make this case. If you read the FACE Act, if that's what they bring this over, I totally agree with protecting places of worship, 100%. And I think that protest was a bad look at a minimum. If it weren't illegal, it was a bad look. It was wrong, even if they had the legal right. But I don't think they can make this case against Don, and I think the president just made him a lot of money. Because now, he's a martyr.

• 10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You think the president just made him a lot of money?

• 10:40Speaker 03

  A lot of money.

• 10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Millions.

• 10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning someone's gonna sign him, sponsorship, eyeballs, video?

• 10:45Speaker 03

  Of course. And just the organic, people who are oppositional to the president and this administration, as an extension of what's going on with ICE for many people in Minnesota and elsewhere, now he's the face of it. This is the face of opposition to what the president is doing. Trump just gifted that to Don Lemon. That said, I would not want to be in his position.

• 11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm. Got it, Vinny.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Well, the face, I will, Chris, for anybody on the Democratic side to ever say, using the federal government to go after people like journalists and all that stuff, makes me laugh literally out loud. I had to hold it back. The FACE Act covers, uh, crime to use force, threaten or physically obstruct people in places of worship. Say what you want, they were getting in the way, all the affidavits were just coming out, that these people, including him, they were all standing around bumping into people, were stopping kids from getting to their parents, that there was a daycare downstairs, and they were stopping children, yelling in their faces, saying, "Your father is a Nazi and I hope he burns in hell." Okay? And say what you want, Don Lemon was outside with them beforehand.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  He acted like it was a surprise and nobody knew. It's all BS, okay? And even if, let him make the money and do all this, Don Lemon has been begging for this type of thing. Okay? Because since he left CNN, he's been dying to be in the limelight. He's, he's, he, think about it, CNN, he was one of the main guys at CNN. Now he's man on the street, asking people, "Why do you hate Trump?"

• 12:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Respectfully, he was the number 52 show ranked. If you ranked him, he was never number one, but he was one of the faces of CNN, fair, yeah.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  How much, Chris, if, how much you think he was making a year, Don Lemon?

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Four to six. I don't know the number.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Okay, four to six million dollars? Now he's wearing a parka out on the street, away from his husband, bothering people. So the FACE Act, clearly, clear, like, he knows what he's doing. And then he tries to talk to the pastor and say, "Oh, I'm a Christian." No real Christian is going into a place of worship to, to disrupt it. He knows exactly what he was doing, and if what you're saying is right, Chris, and he's gonna get famous and all that, so be it. But guess what? Now he has a police record, he's on record for doing what he's doing. And by the way, is it- Weird. We're talking about feds going after people. The other two girls that were arrested, Chris, one of them is connected to BLM. They were released by a judge who's a Biden appointee. So it's like, we keep doing this cycle where people get in trouble for actually breaking the law.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  But then, once it gets to the judges, they get released. So what, what kind of, what kind of justice system is that? It's not fair. It's, it's, it's a two-tiered justice, and I think it's ridiculous.

• 13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 13:13Adam Sosnick?

  So I see two sides to it. First of all, we got video, we've got audio on the disruptors, whatever you want to call them, that came in there, that clearly violated the FACE Act and deserved to be prosecuted under it. If this was a Muslim mosque in New York City, and this was Turning Point USA, going inside and disrupting it, the arrests would have happened on the spot. There is two standards for the type of faith that we, or the type of thing that we interfere with. Now, in the case of Don Lemon, you know, his lawyer wrote what his lawyer wrote, because that's a standard, that is the standard papulum that lawyers gonna write. The first paragraph talks about the client.

• 13:57Adam Sosnick?

  The second paragraph is, "Oh, but you're turning a blind eye to the two people that died should be investigated." Well, those two different things. I ignore the lawyer. But I look at Don Lemon, it's like, you know what? You're out there with the organizers. You knew what was going on, and then you contradicted yourself in certain video segments of the same day. "Oh, I didn't know this, I didn't know here." And then you went inside, conducted not an interview, but it kind of bridged into, you know, holding the person's time and, and, and being part of it yourself. And so I think what the feds did is they looked at that and say, "You know what? We're gonna arrest this guy." Now, is it a strong case? No, it's not a strong case. Fannie Willis didn't have a strong case.

• 14:38Adam Sosnick?

  Alan Bragg didn't have a strong case. But this is how we do it in America. You attempt to get an indictment or a prosecutorial step to get the mugshot, to create the public perception. Do I think Don Lemon rode the red line on this? I do. Do I think if he was working at somebody, and they said, with standard and practices, which Chris mentioned, which is sort of the compliance department of news media. Would they have stopped and they said, dun dun dun dun dun. Interview people outside, but don't get yourself into the middle of it. They're interrupting a church service. Be on the steps as it spills back out. They would have given him some guidelines and said, you and your crew do it this way.

• 15:17Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a good point, Adam.

• 15:19Adam Sosnick?

  So I often wonder what happened to Don Lemon, right? This might be the best thing that ever happened to his career since leaving CNN. Because since he left CNN and since that horrible interview where he tried to expose Elon Musk. His career has been just in a downward spiral. I remember the times when I used to watch my good friend, tough guy, Chris Cuomo over here. And he would toss it over to Don Lemon and Don Lemon seemed reasonable. Remember that clip where he would let, come on, young black men, pull your pants up. Let's get it together. What happened to that Don Lemon? Now, I suspect what happened to Don Lemon is the same thing that happened to the vocal leftists in this country is they have complete TDS and Trump broke his brain.

• 16:03Adam Sosnick?

  I wish he would come back to reality. Here's the final point. I don't even know if he's a journalist these days. I think he's a full on progressive activist. And the country would be a lot better if he just came back towards the middle.

• 16:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.

• 16:19Adam Sosnick?

  I know it's not gonna happen, but we better start.

• 16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But let me ask you, is it a, does it do anything to credibility to arrest and nothing happens? Or is it, is this, is this a distraction? Is this a news cycle? Let's do it today because there's.

• 16:34Adam Sosnick?

  In the 24 hour news cycle, you want the bad news on your opponent. And look at the things that have happened. It's, it's a news cycle and it's the game of perception.

• 16:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying. This isn't where anything's gonna happen to him.

• 16:46Adam Sosnick?

  He may be a martyr.

• 16:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think anything will end up happening to him, Chris?

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Legally? No, I think he beats the case. I think it's a bad case and I think you gotta be very careful. About the hypocrisy involved here. If you want to laugh because you can't believe the left is talking about lawfare, then laugh, but you're doing exactly that. Own that part of it too, which is Trump is going after his opponents and doing exactly what he campaigned against. Mr. Promises made, promises kept. That's what this is. Now, do I think Don put himself in a risky position all day? Would I have done it that way? No, I wouldn't have. Would I want to be in his position? No, I don't care what comes along with it that's positive for his career. I don't want to be targeted by the federal government with this guy coming after me the way he goes after people.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  But own the hypocrisy.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Well, okay, well, let me ask you a question. Tell me what, because, so are you saying, Chris, that the federal government made this all up? They told Don Lemon to go there to look like he planned it with these people. Chris, they broke the law. All of them broke the FACE Act. It's not going after your opponent.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  But you're lumping him in.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  No, no, no, Chris, he would, let's be men above, let's be real. You don't think he knew what the hell was going on? Be, be, let's be 100 with each other. You don't think Don Lemon coordinated with these black BLM chicks and didn't know this was gonna happen? He didn't know he was gonna go inside? He didn't realize, wait a minute, I'm educated, I'm not stupid. I'm gonna go in there and disrupt a place of worship? And because Trump is going after people that broke the law? Chris, since 2016, the Obama administration spied and went after Trump. It's been happening for nine years, nine years.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  So what are you saying, this is payback?

• 18:29Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's not payback.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  I can't hear you, by the way, Vinny, can you speak up a little bit?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  No, it's called law and order.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  My left ear is ringing like crazy right now.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  It's called law and order, so the, it's not hypocrisy. It's if you break the law, they go after you. The left creates, uh, uh, like, the BS. They created Russia collusion and then they went after him. This is on camera. He recorded it, like the moron that he is. This isn't going after your enemies. This is holding people's foot to the fire. Okay, you guys create the crime, okay? These people are doing the crime. There's a difference, Chris, come on, bro.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  I think the difference is your political opinion and how loud you are.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't matter. You know I get emotional, Chris? Because I don't get how you guys don't understand it. Your side, your side, Chris, has no leaders, no policies, nothing. All you guys do is run on fear and drama and chaos. That's it.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  So you think fear, drama, and chaos?

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Is what the left does.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Is not Trump and MAGA?

• 19:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  They fight back. What do you want? So, Chris, what are we supposed to do?

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Vinny, when they cut your hair, I think they cut a little bit.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  No, but hit me out. Since day one, since day one, Chris, you guys have been going after this one guy, Gavin Newsom, who's your guys' frontrunner that you're gonna vote for, who wants to open border, no IDs, worst state.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Vinny, there is a better chance that I vote for my penis than that I vote for Gavin Newsom.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Really? So here's my question.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  You have my vote, Cuomo.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Hold on, Chris, are you gonna sit this one out when he's the frontrunner? Because he is gonna... He just said he's not gonna vote for Newsom. Okay, but who are you gonna vote for?

• 20:00Speaker 03

  I have no problem sitting out. Remember, he didn't vote for Biden, he voted for his brother. I wrote in my brother in the last one.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  But here's what I want to know. Look, I'm just saying, look, Vinny, it's not only that I don't agree with you, and that I think you putting me on a side is petty, but I'm gonna let it go because I like you. I can criticize your side and not be on the other side.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  I am anti-partisan. If I could wave a wand, okay? If I could wave a wand like our president can, I would get rid of, I would go to Congress, say, pass these two things right now. One, gerrymandering, illegal, we're gonna do it by an independent committee, that we're gonna figure out how to staff, everybody's gonna get together, that's who's gonna do it. Nobody else, nowhere else, no state, no nothing. Second thing is, the parties don't get to control our political process. They don't get to control the primaries. And we would get reasonable in a second. That's what I would do. I'm anti-partisan.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  But what about, what about ID, what about voting ID? Showing your ID to vote in the United States?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Here's my, look, I've talked about this before, okay? Do I understand the arguments of disenfranchisement? Yes. Do I think it has jumped the shark and that the majority of the country wants it? Yes. I feel the same way about voter ID that I do about the death penalty. Do I think it works? No. Do I think it's the right social instruction? No. But that's who we are. We are violent, angry people as a culture, especially right now. If the people want it, give it to them. I'm not gonna get it. Same way with voter ID. If that many people want it, fine. I understand the arguments against it. But if that's what people want, fine. But what bothers me is, and then I'll shut up. You want to talk about voter integrity and make it safer, great, but then don't do what you're doing with Tulsi Gabbard right now.

• 21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Don't do that. Don't go to Georgia, play on a lie that there are 350,000 ballots that were encountered or were illegal, which is demonstrably false. You could even go to Wikipedia, like you're gonna learn about the FACE Act from Wikipedia. There's nothing in there about the standard of what you have to prove, by the way, which is everything in making a case. And the idea that you can show that Don Lemon had intent to organize and foment this situation as opposed to following along like a chooch, good luck with that. I don't think they can make the case. But just be consistent. That's what I'm saying. You're not consistent.

• 22:10Adam Sosnick?

  But I think his prosecution was the latter.

• 22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, I want to get something in. Here's what I want to see. So I want to find out. Everything to me is, can we have another case to compare it to? Has there ever been a time, Rob, this is the question that I've been asking on all the OpenAI questions. This is, has there ever been a journalist that joined protesters before and went into a church to question the pastor, the preacher, or the priest? Okay?

• 22:40Speaker 03

  I say no.

• 22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The answer is no. It keeps bringing up a guy named Hunter Thompson.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Hunter S. Thompson.

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Hunter S. Thompson. I've had to clear up four times, did Hunter S. Thompson go into the church to question a pastor and join the protesters before? And he eventually said no. There is no documented case of a major, nationally-recognized journalist entering an active church service with protesters to question or confront the pastor in US history, which means there is a case here. That's what I'm saying. Because if you don't set the tone, Chris, from the top, if it would have said yes, I would have said, okay. It's the American way. If you want to go under question of pastor, no problem. But if you don't set the tone now. To make it a precedent that you cannot do this,

• 23:30Patrick Bet-David?

  you don't think other journalists are gonna look at this and say, "I'm gonna go into a church, I'm gonna go into a Catholic church, I'm gonna go into this." Then guess what? You know what's even worse? Watch this. You don't think a journalist like a Jake Lang, I don't know if I would put him as a journalist, but he's a guy that goes out there or a

• 23:46Speaker 03

  The January 6th guy?

• 23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Younger Nick Shirley guys or these Nick sort of type of guys that do very, very good job. You don't think they're gonna go into a mosque? You don't think they're gonna go into a Islamic, you know, center and start asking questions from them? Then what do you think happens? I think it is a very important, now that I'm going a little bit deeper into it, I think it is a very important standard to set. I don't know what's gonna happen to the guy. But if you don't set the tone and this gets out of control, so imagine they don't do anything. Let's actually play the, uh, the other side. Say they don't do anything. I'm a 24-year-old. Dude, I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna be like, "Wait, that's all you have to do is go viral? Hey, what church are we going into next?"

• 24:29Speaker 03

  That's what they know already. Look, I think it's a deeper conversation on one level, okay? I get you about setting a standard. Okay, so let's talk about the standard. Nick Shirley, Jake Lang, let's throw Don Lemon in there, okay? Are they journalists? Uh, or are they professional provocateurs? And that's the real problem is, do you see ABC News going into a church? No. Do you see, uh, the New York Times going in and doing it?

• 24:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Ask why.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Cause they're afraid of being sued.

• 24:58Patrick Bet-David?

  They know the law.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  That's why. They have standards and practices.

• 25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, could that not be the fact that they know the law and they're following the laws?

• 25:06Speaker 03

  They know the law and they know their brand and they are sensitive to different types of scrutiny. You said what the truth is now. Go viral. Whatever it takes to go viral, you win.

• 25:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Then I'm for it. I'm for the fact that they did this to Don Lemon.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  We're not comparing. Nick Shirley is, you can't put him even on the same plane as the, Don Lemon is just the Trump and Trump. Nick Shirley exposed one of the biggest fraud networks in the history of

• 25:35Speaker 03

  That is not even

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Billion dollars, a 23 year old kid, oh, hold on.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  It's not even close to true.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  So, do you, do you put Nick Shirley in the same boat as a Don Lemon?

• 25:44Speaker 03

  I think that that's a silly question. I think if you want to talk about Nick Shirley, because what categories, well, what are they? What are we talking about, Lions versus Tigers?

• 25:50Speaker 02

  No, what?

• 25:51Speaker 03

  What I'm saying is Nick Shirley went knocked on doors, played the fact that they wouldn't let him in as signs of fraud. The state investigated, the federal government is investigating right now. Nothing has come up to corroborate anything that he said on his video. Except, they didn't let me in, I think it's because they want to hide what they're doing. They investigated at the state level, and you can say, Minnesota's corrupt, I don't believe their investigation. Okay, but, they investigated, found nothing like what he's talking about. Remember, we're not talking about the COVID scam, with the white lady at the middle of it, that involved all those other Somalians, that was one of the biggest COVID scams going, which is real, and they prosecuted in 2022.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Eighty-six people.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  What he did, knocking on the doors, is not nine billion dollars, is not proven. The federal government's looking at it, let's see if they come to a different conclusion. But putting him in the same category, I'll tell you why I'd say no. Am I biased? Yes, why? Because I have love for Don Lemon, even though we have a checkered past, okay? And, so maybe I'm biased, because I have that personal emotional stake. But, I don't put Nick Shirley in any of the categories. He's not a journalist, why? Journalism requires rigor. You don't knock on a door, get an answer, go and cross-reference it with different people's licenses, and then, the people on the right do the rest for you, and motivate you into Edward R. Murrow.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  There's a reason there's been no corroboration of anything that he has said.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  And, but, hold on, but you said, and I'll let you, but you said exactly this. You're talking about the state, you're talking about the state that has Tim Walz, number one.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  That has, hold on, Mayor Fry.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Ilhan Omar.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  And Keith Ellison, who's a freaking communist, who, Chris?

• 27:38Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  And I get what you're saying, let's wait, and let's wait, and let's wait. I'm telling you, it wasn't just knocking on doors, who was the guy that he was with? David? The, the, the white guy who had the proof and the money. It wasn't like they just not been said nobody's here.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  He had the amount of allocations that were given to those businesses.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  And there's no children in any of these places.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  You don't know that.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  I was watching the videos.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  No, I know, but the video is what it is. They're presenting what they want you to see. When the state investigators went there, they found children. They found other violations also, by the way, but not of a criminal nature like he had suggested. All I'm saying is this, I'm not here to run down Nick Shirley. Okay, I don't give a shit about that. What I'm here to do is say, let's see what they have. They're incredibly motivated to show that he was right. There has been no such proof to this point, and that matters. Now, who's better, who's worse? I don't know, but I do stand on this one point. All that matters is going viral, okay? And that's where our commodity is. That's where the algorithm is. That's where the money is. And that's what these guys are doing. Megyn Kelly is no different than what you're accusing Don Lemon of.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  They're both doing it for the same reason. I know I'm on serious radio with her. I don't give a damn. They are in the business of pissing you off for profit. Is Don doing that? Yes, I agree with you. He is. Should he? That's my choice. That's my choice.

• 28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But there's a difference, and I want to validate what PBD said. Do me a favor, Rob. Can you, and by the way, while you're talking about this, can you pull up the clip, Rob? I send you with, and Adam, I'll come to you in a second. Mayor Frye and Stephen A. Smith, you know which one I'm talking about? Yes. So watch this. This is, this is where, you know, when, when you're saying what you're saying, Chris. Here's Stephen A., good friend. Both of us are friends with this guy. He's talking to him and he asks him a simple question. Look what his answer is. Go ahead, Rob.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  I had to ask you this. When you talked about just illegal migrants in the city, people who cross the border illegally, that's what people called them. I want to ask you, how many do you believe you have in your city at this particular moment in time?

• 29:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He has to change it. Undocumented. How many people that are undocumented are living in Minneapolis right now?

• 29:44Speaker 05

  Yes, sir. Undocumented.

• 29:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have any idea? I don't know. No, I, I, I couldn't. I don't really have a guess as to how many presently are here. I do know that I think that the federal administration- Okay, you can pause it right there. Okay, so if you don't know the number of undocumented guys in there, in your city, you, you, you are not a leader. How do you not know who's there legally and illegally? How do you not know the number-

• 30:10Speaker 03

  How would you know? Did you, would you know that we don't even count? At the federal level, how, how would you know and unknown?

• 30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Then this validates Nick Shirley's investigation even more. There is no accountability. What do you mean how?

• 30:22Speaker 03

  Well, not knowing how many people are undocumented in your municipality does not mean that they're all committing fraud and you're unaware.

• 30:29Patrick Bet-David?

  No, those are two different things.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  I know, I agree.

• 30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, they're, they're illegal in the first place. They came here illegally.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  They are here illegally. Let's assume that. But I don't know how many there are. The federal estimate is from 10 to 25 million. That, that's a good range.

• 30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Shouldn't a mayor of a city that's going through crisis like this say, our range is a number? Shouldn't he have a range of a number?

• 30:49Speaker 03

  10 to 25 million?

• 30:51Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, for the city. Shouldn't he be able to know for a city?

• 30:54Speaker 03

  The federal government, where this is an obvious priority for them, and it is not a priority for Frye, clearly, right? Their estimate is 10 to 25 million.

• 31:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That validates why Nick Shirley's content went viral. Adam?

• 31:07Adam Sosnick?

  So I just want to ask Cuomo a question. I, I believe Nick Shirley is not the story here. I think what he did is needed, and he didn't go viral for the sake of going viral. He went viral because everybody saw what was going on with their own eyes, and now they start buying the Quality Leering Center shirts, because what Nick Shirley did was journalism. So we'll, we'll compartmentalize that. What I do want to focus on is exactly what PBD talked about with this Hunter S. Thompson guy. Now, if you're not familiar with him, you might be familiar with the movie that was, I think, based around him, which was called Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. And the whole concept of what he did was called gonzo journalism, where you no longer are reporting the story, you are the main character in the story. In my opinion, that is what Don Lemon is doing.

• 31:52Adam Sosnick?

  At the same time, you brought up Jake Lang, who's bringing bacon to protests and agitating Muslims. So they are the main characters here. In Nick Shirley's situation, the Somalians who are allegedly committing fraud were the main story. Tim Walz and Inhaan Omar are the main culprits in that story for enabling them. But let me bring this back to your relationship with Don.

• 32:14Adam Sosnick?

  Jake Lang, Nick Shirley, these are young kids with a microphone. Don Lemon is a 30-year celebrated reporter doing the same thing that kids are doing. What kind of a fall from grace do you have to do from going from CNN studio to be on, to do man on the street?

• 32:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that.

• 32:32Adam Sosnick?

  But that's the point is that he's doing gonzo journalism.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  You do what gets you paid and makes you relevant. Ask the same question to people on the right. Megyn Kelly, seasoned prosecutor, also pedigreed, had a shot at the big time, failed. Now what is she doing?

• 32:45Adam Sosnick?

  But she's not doing man on the street. Would you ever do man on the street again? There's something to be said here about man on the street. People start their careers as man on the street.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  You could make the argument.

• 32:54Adam Sosnick?

  Don Lemon is finishing his career man on the street. That is a very important point.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't accept the standard.

• 32:59Adam Sosnick?

  Tell me someone else who still does man on the street.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  As opposed to experts?

• 33:03Adam Sosnick?

  But answer this, who do you see doing man on the street that is a credible journalist? That's been in studio, mainstream studio for 30 years? I can't name one. If you can, I'll understand your opinion.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  Why is his, well, I, I don't accept the standard. The idea of talking to people is a bad thing. That's the most basic form of journalism.

• 33:19Adam Sosnick?

  The reason that Jesse Waters became famous is because he worked for Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly sent him out into the street. Jimmy Kimmel sends Guillermo to the street.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  Hold on, that was an act, okay?

• 33:29Adam Sosnick?

  I understand that.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  There's difference between an act and talking to actual people.

• 33:33Adam Sosnick?

  Who's now been relegated to man on the street? That's my point.

• 33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let me, let me, let me, guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna move on.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  It's where the money is, that's why he's doing it.

• 33:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, Megyn Kelly, failing, I think Megyn left Fox. And then Megyn went to NBC, if I'm not mistaken. And that was, that just didn't work out, it wasn't a fit, whatever you want to call it.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  It didn't work out.

• 33:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And then she went.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  They paid her her full contract to leave.

• 33:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Okay?

• 33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Worked out well for her. And by the way, she's now, she's got a top podcast.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Of course, why?

• 34:02Patrick Bet-David?

  She's still.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Why does she have a top podcast?

• 34:04Patrick Bet-David?

  She's talented, she's capable, she is strong, is.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Likable by who? She's a professional provocateur.

• 34:10Adam Sosnick?

  She has 4 million subscribers on YouTube.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  I know, but that's my point, you're making my point, Vinny. Not your point, you're making my point. Which is she gets paid to provoke people. She gets paid to pick fights. That's all she does. You show me the last time she said something. What do you think about Kara Swisher? Okay, what do you think about Kara Swisher? Kara Swisher is more of a hybrid. She was a legitimate business reporter who's got deep contacts and sourcing, who is also a political lefty. And will play to that. And I understand why her comparing Stephen Miller to Heinrich Himmler is really offensive. Is that responsible to make a comment like that? Can you play this clip, Rob? Can you play this clip, please? It's too much.

• 34:48Adam Sosnick?

  And I would last like to call out Stephen Miller, who is in the center of this. We always focus on Trump, as we often focus on the top people. But Stephen Miller, like a man named Ben Dettson, he was the one who created the internment cancer Japanese. Heinrich Himmler in the Nazi regime. This is what he is. And he, of course, Trump gets the most blame being at the top. But people like Stephen Miller will go down in history as evil.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  How does he not interrupt her?

• 35:20Adam Sosnick?

  Had blood on his hands and should be jailed.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  This is how this podcast works.

• 35:25Adam Sosnick?

  You're absolutely right.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  They exchange their takes.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Well, here's my thing, and she's a white liberal woman, which I think is one of the biggest cancers in this country. That's a whole nother conversation. I'm just saying, how can you compare that to even Meghan? There's no comparison. And the one thing that bothers me, Chris, how does anybody?

• 35:42Speaker 03

  You just agree with her politics.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  That's the only difference between the two for you.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Chris, how is she? Hold on, ready for this? I don't watch any of her content. But you know what I know? Meghan is extremely popular. She has her own damn network. And she's not a provocateur. She's just pointing out what the other side is doing wrong. And I'm not saying, hold on, her side, Chris, isn't doing wrong stuff. I could go down a huge list. But for Kara Swisher to sit there and compare a Jewish man to Hitler or somebody that worked for Hitler that was burning and killing and massacring Jews is the most absurd, offensive thing I've ever heard in my life.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  I understand.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  And why doesn't anybody push back?

• 36:20Speaker 03

  I understand, everybody's pushing back.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  No, he didn't. He sat there like he was just amazed.

• 36:24Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we don't know what he said afterwards.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  But that also, that is how that podcast works. But look, Vinnie, everybody's got their own way of doing things. You are a yeller, okay?

• 36:33Speaker 02

  With good, with great points. With passionate points.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  You think so. They're passionate, I'll give you that. But they're not, they're not always great points. But you are upset about it, and that's your way. I believe that that demeanor weakens the position.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  Uh, why? Because we've both done a little bit of fighting, right? I've done a lot more. You, the cool head wins. Okay, why? Confidence, competence. I know where I am. I know what I'm doing. I'm gonna conduct this. It's gonna go my way. I don't have to be loud and obnoxious about it. You are right to be upset about anybody comparing American officials to Nazis. I understand why the exaggeration is offensive to a lot of Jews. And to a lot of people who want reasonableness to be the barometer. I'm with you. You've never heard me say anything like that. You've heard me take a lot of shit for saying you shouldn't say it. Like, what I'm saying right now will be clipped. And the left will all send it around that I've been red-pilled. I accept that. That's my choice. You've gotta see the choices these people are making.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  They're making choices to make money in ways that work with the algorithms. That's what Megyn Kelly is doing.

• 37:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, I don't wanna make this a Megyn Kelly thing. The conversation was with Hunter S. Thompson at the beginning. Where we said, ha- I, I said, "Has this happened before?" Everything's showing, no one's ever, who's a journalist, joined protesters before, was in a fool enough to record it. And even in the video that's there says, "Cut it off, cuz I don't want the camera to catch..."

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Look, he definitely put himself in a tricky position.

• 38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And then to go into a church. If you don't set the precedent and do something to Don Lemon...

• 38:11Speaker 03

  What are you gonna do to him?

• 38:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you have to make an example. Yeah, I, I don't know what the example is. If you don't do something to him, you, you got two choices.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  Well, you did. You arrested him at four o'clock in the morning.

• 38:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You got two choices. You don't do nothing, millions of others are gonna do it.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  But they just arrested him.

• 38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  No, arrested means, well, they're gonna release him.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Hey, none of us wanna be arrested at four o'clock in the morning.

• 38:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody wants to be arrested at four o'clock in the morning, but also if you know, if you go into Wikipedia right now, you type in Nick Shirley, it doesn't say "American journalist." We would consider Nick Shirley a citizen journalist. But even a, you know, a, a, a, uh...

• 38:45Speaker 03

  What is the difference?

• 38:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Wikipedia's gonna say what?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Right-wing, you're a content creator. Okay, can you go to... And that's what he is. I agree with that.

• 38:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to, uh, uh, can you go to... Why right-wing? Hang on, can you go to a, uh...

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Why right-wing?

• 38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to Don Lemon. Go to Don Lemon, and let's see if it says a... Lefty. By the way, let's see if it says a lefty. If Wikipedia says a lefty.

• 39:02Adam Sosnick?

  It says progressive.

• 39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, American television journalist. Look how it doesn't say left wing.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  But also, I agree with your analysis, but one thing. We're looking at Wikipedia, okay? If you look at my Wikipedia page, I've never had anything to do with it, and it has said stupid shit again and again. So, this is not necessarily.

• 39:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if I.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  We don't even know who was one of the, they called them editors.

• 39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  If you asked, if you asked anybody what you think about Lemon.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  He's a left.

• 39:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a lefty journalist.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  He's a lefty. Now, I don't know that lefty journalist is even a thing. I don't, I don't know. We gotta define our terms.

• 39:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Nick Shirley is a right wing? I don't even know if I would say right wing journalist. He's a content creator, right?

• 39:40Speaker 03

  I, I think he's a content creator, and I think he played to phobias on the right with what he just did.

• 39:45Patrick Bet-David?

  If you don't set the tone here, it's gonna be nasty. They have to make an example out of Don Lemon. You cannot go to a place of worship. It is gonna turn into civil war if you don't do anything about it.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  I get the face act, but you do have to make the case.

• 40:00Patrick Bet-David?

  They're going to go into mosques. They're going to go inside, and let me tell you, it is gonna be nasty. It's as if a group of people want this thing to take place. Don Lemon was a fool to go into the church. You don't do this. This guy's educated enough and smart enough to know this. You don't go into a church. You don't go into a place of worship.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  I don't disagree with what the red line was, but I'll tell you what, you can apply the same thing. Your same worry, if you don't do something now, they want what's gonna happen next. You can say that about a lot of things.

• 40:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If Megyn Kelly went into a mosque.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  She'd have a problem.

• 40:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Not only would she have a problem, guess what I would say?

• 40:39Speaker 03

  It depends how she went into the mosque, right? I'm saying she didn't go in there to worship. She wasn't invited.

• 40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  If she went in, joined a bunch of J6, cuz that's even, let's qualify it. She joined J6 protesters before.

• 40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And we know some of the faces.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:55Patrick Bet-David?

  At the end of the video, she said, "Turn off the camera because I don't want people to see what their strategy is." Then she goes into mosque.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  She's got a problem.

• 41:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Questions the people there. Then afterwards, she says, "I didn't even know what the protesters were gonna do." Then the video reveals that you know exactly what the protesters were gonna do. "You were with the protesters. I want Megyn Kelly to be arrested and held accountable." "'Cause I don't want anybody on the left to be able to do this."

• 41:17Speaker 03

  I am slower than you. Uh, even with Megyn Kelly. Why? Because I err on the side of allowing a free media. And if you can show me that she was part of the organizing and the ambitions of the effort, then I have a different analysis. Uh, and that's okay, by the way. It's okay to change your opinion as the facts change. Look at Alex Preddy, okay? Uh, you can have a different feeling about it, uh, based on what you see, even if the, uh, ultimate disposition of the killing has to be dealt with through the context of that specific incident. I don't know that Don Lemon was part of the organizing. I don't know that-

• 41:58Patrick Bet-David?

  He knew exactly these were protesters. There's video footage of-

• 42:00Speaker 03

  I know, I didn't say it. He didn't think they were protesters.

• 42:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  I didn't say that he wasn't out there hanging out with them before. That's different than proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he was one of the organizers.

• 42:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Now you're being his lawyer. No.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Well, but that's what this is, it's a legal issue.

• 42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that, but Chris, i-if you-if you allow, if-there's certain things that, uh, when you're running a company, you'll have a certain lawsuits that 99% of cases that come in, you don't want to sue your guys. Guy left, he did something, should be soon, let it go. Guy does this, he let it go. He said this about you and he left, let it go. This guy went and joined that company and he got on to this and he said this about you. Let it go. You want me to release the contract even though it's been six months? We can extend it to two years. Give him the contract. You want, let it go. Then there is certain cases that comes up that you have to make an example. Or else it will happen again and it actually hurts everybody in the company.

• 42:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Don Lemon. For a guy that we've talked about, and there is a purpose he serves. I'm not a guy that says he doesn't serve a purpose. I get, you know, both sides think they're right politically. There's a place that he serves a purpose. If this is the type of a thing, Chris, that will lead to a civil war. This is the type of a thing that will lead to something very nasty if you don't set an example of what you do with Don. Let me move on to the next thing, which was the Kara Swisher thing.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Who does Kara work for?

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Herself.

• 43:32Patrick Bet-David?

  She's independent?

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Pivot Podcast.

• 43:34Adam Sosnick?

  Who was she with before?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Uh, she's been a business reporter. Yeah, she's been with big outlets.

• 43:38Adam Sosnick?

  Her, her break was eight years or more with a guy named Walt Mossberg, covering primarily Apple and technology. And then the Wall Street Journal had her and Walt create a conference called the D Conference, which was the first of its kind, a very small group of it. She, when Walt retired, uh, Walt, the Wall Street Journal stopped doing this and she connected with Scott Galloway and, and suddenly became far more left in her presentation than I ever remembered.

• 44:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, I also don't think Scott Galloway is far left. No, Scott Galloway to me is center.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  I gotta tell you. Scott, I think he is amazing. I think that he is a modern day political philosopher and he is, should be listened to and observed. His reason, his idea, I've never even heard anything like this. This is what gives me the wow. Uh, Scott Galloway says, hey, you populists out there, you want to make a difference on how your government responds to you? Have a spending strike. Stop spending. Stop buying things that you don't absolutely need for three months. And the corporations will go crazy, go running the government and say, you better make this stop. The GDP just dropped and they will change because of that. Genius, brilliant. And it also exposes what? You want to talk your crap, but you don't want to live.

• 44:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what makes him unique though? Because he's, he's, the reason what makes him unique. He was probably born a Democrat, but he became a businessman. And then those two collided and he said, man, I may be socially left, but I'm not fiscally left. I'm on this side. And then he started realizing what's happening with boys. I think he's got two sons.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Oh, so brilliant. Well, he talks about young men in society, gets them a lot of heat. He says it anyway.

• 45:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not a Scott Galloway topic I want to get into. I want to stay on Kara Swisher.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Go ahead.

• 45:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So Kara Swisher says what she says about Stephen Miller. There's a clip that came up, you know, I'm at the Pentagon yesterday in the Department of State. We literally got back 3:30 this morning, just so everybody knows. We landed 3:00, 3 o'clock this morning, we got home at 3:30, 4 o'clock, we slept. We came back here at 8 a.m. and we're doing a podcast here with you guys. And we're energized, exciting, it was great. Yesterday, I'm talking to a bunch of different guys and, you know, we're at the, what do you call it? Department of War and all these different places. And we're talking to Hexad yesterday, Kristi Noem, did a podcast with Rand Paul. Stephen Miller's name came up many, many times. And I said, you know who Stephen Miller is?

• 46:05Patrick Bet-David?

  To me, Stephen Miller is, to give the analogy of basketball. I said, in basketball, everybody needs a Dennis Rodman. Stephen Miller is Dennis Rodman.

• 46:18Adam Sosnick?

  Draymond Green.

• 46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  He is the Draymond Green, he's the rage baiting, you know, poking you, tapping you in the butt, irritating you.

• 46:26Adam Sosnick?

  Dillon Brooks.

• 46:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, that's who he is. He's the Dillon, what was the guy's name? Malavida, Dela...

• 46:33Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, Dela Vedega, he works here.

• 46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so here's, watch, this guy's doing a podcast. He's talking to a professor and accidentally realizes he used to teach Stephen Miller. Look at the response on what he says about Stephen Miller. Go ahead, Rob.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  My former student. What's that? My former student. I'm sorry, say again? My former student. The Stephen Miller in the Trump administration? Did you want to say a little bit more about that before we listen to this clip? He said, I asked him in 2003 what he wanted to be when he grew up. And he said, I want to be number two in the White House. And I said, oh, when do you want to achieve that? He says, in the next 15 years. I said, wow, okay, well, who would be the president in 2003? And he said, Donald Trump.

• 47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  What?

• 47:21Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy is very smart.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  I didn't, where was this?

• 47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And Duke is in poli sci 122.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  You had him at Duke?

• 47:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. This is true story.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  You could have told, I mean, I do a lot of homework here, Hein. You could have told me this before the.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Not enough homework.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Wow, okay.

• 47:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So there's no question he's very smart. And he has a long-term vision.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Was he a good student, by the way?

• 47:41Patrick Bet-David?

  He was very good.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Very good student?

• 47:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:44Patrick Bet-David?

  See, this is the part that they don't want to talk about. This, this guy, Stephen Miller, you know, they, they, uh, they can say whatever they want to say about the Stephen, uh, Stephen Miller guy. But that professor right there, you think they're probably on the same page politically?

• 47:59Speaker 03

  Probably not.

• 47:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that guy and the professor are on the same page politically?

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Well, they're supposed to be, right? Because that's what that podcast is about. Is bringing this guy up as context of what this, uh, what the podcaster already believes. Um, look. It's not about saying Stephen Miller is a stupid or he's a genius. That, that is silly.

• 48:18Patrick Bet-David?

  The fact that he's a number two guy to Hitler type of a comparison.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  It's so crazy. Oh, listen, that, look, that does nothing good.

• 48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Okay, it does nothing good. It makes nothing better. It doesn't create any chance of better outcomes. All it does is piss people off. And if that's what you want to do, fine. I think the only mistake with Miller, Miller is not a front guy. Miller's messaging, his demeanor, his style, I don't think helps the president. Uh, strategically, tactically, philosophically, if he's helpful to the president, that's the president's choice. The only tweak I would do is, and now some on the left will criticize me and say, no, we need to hear him. We need to hear him. I, I think that one mistake that Trump has made thus far, except for Levitt. Levitt is a good communicator for him. He is better than all of his guys at making the case for him. And I think that what we're seeing.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Levitt is the best of, of his people, but Trump is so much better than all of his people. And that wasn't always true for presidents, you know? That, uh, what you see with ICE now and the realignment that probably is going to come to pass? That's Trump doing it. Trump had to get back involved. He had to say, well, we're saying the wrong things. We're doing the wrong things. He is not being well-served by the people around him. Stephen Miller, strategically, they are very happy with. Bannon says the same thing, which is weird because they're not buddies. But having him as a front person, I think is complicated.

• 49:42Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not sure if I agree with that completely. I'll tell you why. Because I first saw Stephen Miller, and I didn't realize I was seeing him. You know where? You know where he came to national prominence? He fearlessly stepped up to the microphone and said that the case against his fellow classmates on Duke lacrosse, he wasn't part of the lacrosse team, he wasn't part of that fraternity. But he stepped up to the microphone and made a very cogent legal analysis and sat there and said, "This is, this is wrong. This is racially motivated in the wrong way." He was strong. And guess what? He was right. And that's where America met Stephen Miller, standing up for his classmates. 15 years ago, I want to say. Editor.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Longer. You know who blew that case wide open and proved that it was a false prosecution? Me and Dan Abrams. NBC News and ABC News. We blew up the timeline. We proved that things didn't happen when they said those boys got railroaded. And of course, Crystal Mangum, who was the accuser, wound up admitting it. The woman who was with her wound up admitting it long before. It was a con, and it was done by a local prosecutor, in part, who wanted to make a name for going after the rich kids and impress his working-class community.

• 50:48Adam Sosnick?

  And what happened to him? He was disbarred, and he actually did time.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 50:51Adam Sosnick?

  Brief, but he did time.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  That's right. So I know the case very well. I remember his role very well. I wish he would come on, you know, to be tested and come on. He doesn't want to come on with me. And that's unfortunate, because I want to give people an opportunity to make their

• 51:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You mean News Nation?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, he won't come on.

• 51:07Adam Sosnick?

  You know who you should have on, though? Is if he won't come on with you, you should have on his wife, Katie Miller, who has this massive podcast now, gets everybody on, could pull her up. I think she started it six months ago. She's had Elon Musk, she's had everybody from the administration. So she's doing a lot of the talking for him. But I'll tell you one thing about Stephen Miller.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I don't want, I don't want her.

• 51:25Adam Sosnick?

  No, I get it.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  I want him. I don't want your wife.

• 51:27Adam Sosnick?

  Touche. Touche, but you know, you take what you can get. But I do want to get back to Pat's point when he's talking about Kara Swisher. I'll make a quick point about Stephen Miller. Trump rewards loyalty? Stephen Miller is arguably the most loyal person.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:39Adam Sosnick?

  He, you know, the whole, the whole Trump was right about everything. That is being like, humanized in the human form with Stephen Miller. That's why he rewards him. Back to Kara Swisher, PBD made the most important point about the, uh, if you don't set the tone or set an example with Don Lemon, oh, you have no idea. The floodgates that will open in mosques, in churches, in temples. By the way, good luck getting in synagogues these days. Cause they've learned the hard way that you need to have armed security guards and fences. Cause people will go shoot up the joint. The last thing we need are political agitators coming in, in front of churches and mosques. And, and doing it basically what, what Vinnie's upset about?

• 52:20Adam Sosnick?

  What Kara Swisher said, last point about how he's the Heinrich Hitler. The number two to Hitler is so disgusting to me and shows you have no idea about history. Okay. It's inflammatory and bombastic and it's just naive and wrong. I told the story about my friend's grandma who basically told the story. She's like, yes, I grew up, mom, my siblings are dead. They killed my grandparents. They killed my aunt. She's the only person alive in her whole family, much less her town. And we're talking about two people that got in the way of.

• 52:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do that. That's a good transition as well. Let's go into that. So.

• 52:55Adam Sosnick?

  It's not even, doesn't make sense.

• 52:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Because I want to get Chris's thoughts on this as well. Uh, Chris, uh, to be fair, I haven't watched what your position is here with Pretty and I want to hear your thoughts where you're at after this clip. So we initially all saw the same clip. He was helping out that lady. And then all of a sudden, the first reaction is, wait a minute, what just happened here? Then we all had to hear how amazing of a guy he was. He was gentle. He was the kind of guy that you would want your daughter to bring home, which Anna Navarro, I think said that. Said he's the kind of guy that you want your daughter to bring home, something like that. I'm paraphrasing. And, uh, you see the clip and you hear how many times the, the, the weapon that was used, how many hundred plus, uh, uh, what is it? Uh, uh, uncommanded discharges, the gun had the 320.

• 53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Vinnie, what's the, uh?

• 53:43Speaker 02

  A P3226 that has accidental.

• 53:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Accidental, over a hundred lawsuits alleging that the. Accidental discharge, so when he took it away, the discharge and then that prompted the other officer, the other agent to shoot. So, all of that stuff, we've all seen, right? Then we see this clip-

• 53:59Speaker 03

  I don't remember seeing an accidental discharge.

• 54:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what they're saying, that there was an accidental-

• 54:04Speaker 02

  When they disarmed him, the guy that grabbed the gun, they're saying that that gun went off, the one that he grabbed, Chris, from the pretty guy? That discharge prompted all them-

• 54:14Speaker 03

  They're, they're saying it, we don't know it.

• 54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh sure, no, no, no, no.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Although it would shine some light on why the other officers seemed to move so quickly in the moment. But I don't know it yet.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  We don't know yet, and, and-

• 54:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I think all of it, guys, needs to be investigated. Everything we're doing right now is speculation, just so you know that, right? And then, by the way, comments were made on both sides, off the cuff, too early, emotional, that both sides screwed up with, so let's not sit here and only put it on one side.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Amen, happens every time, I'm with you.

• 54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's, let's watch this clip, Rob, of Elizabeth Warren. This one just got viral two days ago, we haven't reacted to it yet. Me and Rand Paul reacted to this yesterday, but the interview's not out yet. So, here's Elizabeth Warren, and apparently, I think BBC, somebody identified that that is 93%, 94%, most likely Alex pretty. Go ahead, Rob.

• 55:02Adam Sosnick?

  Caring for people was at the core of who he was. He was incapable of causing harm. Alex carried patience, compassion, and calm as a steady light within him. Even at the very end, that light was there. I recognized his familiar stillness and signature calm composure.

• 55:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, okay, so then you see that, right? And you see the video of what's happened here. Open-ended. What is your thoughts? Maybe, you know, take a minute or two here and give us your thoughts on what we think happened here.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Early assessments of his character were exaggerated because of what we see. This is somebody doing something that most people would never do, even if they share his politics and opinions about ICE. This is violent, this is aggressive, this is wrong, it's not even arguably, it is a crime. He is not protesting, this is criminal activity, it would fall into the category of rioting. It does not change my analysis of his death at all, except for one troubling thing that is counterintuitive at this point.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  I wonder if the cops who throw him around here are the same or knew about this in the second incident where he was killed and that didn't motivate the aggression towards him. I don't know, but everybody's saying this is proof that he asked for it 11 days later. I see it the other way. How do I need to know that none of the same guys were present or heard about it and acted upon him because of what had happened 11 days earlier. But the shooting itself is isolated, not just legally, that's not even a close call. This would never come into evidence. Why? Federal Rule 403, probity versus prejudice.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  And this is obviously prejudicial. How is it probative of what happened 11 days later when you have video of the entire incident? So the shooting, the death stands as something that has to be justified in a way that it has not been to this point. It looks like a bad shoot. This informs you about his character. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. They are different things to me.

• 57:22Adam Sosnick?

  That wouldn't be admitted in a court of law? This guy, this angel, this amazing nurse that never done anything wrong, a week earlier, he's assaulting a police officer's car?

• 57:31Speaker 02

  No, he's, there's a report, by the way, this incident, they have to fill out a report and say individual X, Y, and Z. And now there's video, video to cooperate.

• 57:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Did it show the video of him spitting on them or no?

• 57:40Speaker 02

  No, it was, it happened right at the beginning.

• 57:42Patrick Bet-David?

  There was another video of him spitting.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. It's, it's here, but you just can't see the angle.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Yes. Watch this video. Go for it.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  He definitely, he definitely in the video spits at them.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this. Go ahead, Ryan.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  And gives them the face. Says, come get me. Says, come assault me. Yeah.

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• 58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think you're gonna remember a guy like that?

• 58:58Speaker 03

  I think you would remember.

• 58:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course you're gonna remember a guy like that.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  And now he kicks the thing. And now they get out. And they come and they rough him up for what he was doing.

• 59:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you not think ICE already knows who this guy is? And the rage, the anger, even his parents said, "Don't go out there."

• 59:15Speaker 03

  If they do, if they did, they have a problem. They have a problem. If it gets shown that it's the same guys or that they knew about this going into the second one.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Motive?

• 59:24Speaker 03

  Well, motive is not part of the legal equation, but state of mind? Yes.

• 59:29Patrick Bet-David?

  State of mind for the ICE agent? Tor- like meaning it's a revenge type of case?

• 59:34Speaker 03

  Yep. Oh, look who it is again. Oh, you think you're gonna get in our face again after you, "I'm the guy you spit at?" You know, if they, if that is true.

• 59:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Pack that for me, Chris. As a lawyer, unpack it for me.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  As a lawyer, here's, here's what the concern would be. Okay? Is that if, if what you're saying is true, which again, we don't know. But if you knew it was me. And if you remembered from the last time or you'd heard about me 11 days earlier. And that wound up forming your state of mind, your intentions toward me. I'm gonna rough this guy up.

• 1:00:04Patrick Bet-David?

  How would you use that as a lawyer? I'm the client, I'm pretty.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  I would say this was, this was clearly an intentional killing. Which, by the way, I don't believe necessarily. I do not know enough. But here would be the legal argument. You knew it was him. You hate him because of what he did the last time. And that's why there were so many of you, so aggressive, so fast, and shooting him so many times. That would be the argument. Uh, is that true? I have no idea whether that is true. But I do know that framing the second incident by this first one is a public.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Trial, not a legal one. The shooting stands on its own unless you can show that the reason that happened is because this happened. And that is not easy and it's not even easy to get into.

• 1:00:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Flip the argument, be the other side, argue for the other side.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Other argument is this. This guy was in the business of pushing ICE agents to break. That's what he does. That's what Renee Good does. That's what all these people are doing. And some of them are paid to do it, organized to do it. It's not organic. So 11 days later, he did what he does. They grabbed the woman, they did whatever they did to the woman. That was his opportunity. He comes in, he says things that you can't hear on the tape. He's touching them, he's resisting them, he's pushing them to break. So he got what he asked for, as people on the right are saying, F A F O. Does that make it legally justified? Probably not. Why?

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  One of the two parties has a duty to be trained to de-escalate and not to be what they come upon, not to match energy. So, but legally, that would be it. Now we know what this guy's motivation was. That's what instigated the incident. Does that absolve the officers? No, but it complicates the analysis. That's the two ways to look at it.

• 1:01:56Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, so I appreciate you going back to the other side and pointing that out. I think it's kind of, I don't know, I think we need to be careful about floating, you know, it's for the investigation to find out which officers were involved, were they the prior officers involved? And I hear what you're saying. In a court of law, I'm speeding. They can't bring up that I was speeding as a 16-year-old 10 years ago. Was I categorically found to be speeding with a fully calibrated radar device at the time? All of the evidence very isolated to that crime, that day, that situation. And you can't go back to it. It's not just public opinion, though.

• 1:02:39Adam Sosnick?

  You can go back and look at this and ask yourself deeper questions about, okay, who's getting the guy revved up? Who's he organizing with? How does he know to be here? There's a whole lot of things that are going on. The way. He's yelling, the way he's positioning, that we have found playbooks over the last 10 days that were being circulated on Reddit, that were being referenced on Signal. So there are people out there that were getting this guy going. And to walk into that environment with a firearm, with reputable reports from mainstream media that went to his parents because they want the crying mother, get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry. They went to them and they were saying, we told him not to go down there. We didn't

• 1:03:19Adam Sosnick?

  think it was a good idea. And so you go and you look at this and you go and this is frame by frame played out, you can reach one conclusion. Play it at full speed and see what certainly appears to be, subject to investigation, that gun discharging. It was a gun he was carrying discharged. So if he's not carrying a weapon, the weapon doesn't discharge, he's probably still there. Don't rustle with officers. Don't, he appeared to be reaching for the cartridges, which is where the, which is where the holster was.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  It looked like he grabbed one.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Well, now you're out over your skis. I've watched this probably 80 times. You're not going to show me that in the video. Could it be developed as evidence from testimony?

• 1:04:03Adam Sosnick?

  Then let me back up four seconds and say, is it a good idea to be wrestling with law enforcement officers while you're carrying?

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Wrestling with law enforcement is a huge mistake. Resisting is a huge mistake. Every lawyer will tell you. And I know that's emotionally unsatisfying for people who want to resist and who want to oppose. Every lawyer will tell you, fight the fight. Once the arrest is made. Do not fight the arrest. You're going to lose. There's no question about that. Does it deserve the death penalty? You're saying yes.

• 1:04:30Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think he got that. No, no, no. I'm not saying he deserved the death penalty. It is a tragic, unfortunate, avoidable outcome that he put himself into the middle of.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  Who was it avoidable by?

• 1:04:41Adam Sosnick?

  Hmm?

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  Who was it able to be avoided by?

• 1:04:43Adam Sosnick?

  If he's not resisting the officers, it doesn't happen.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Chris, you know, I

• 1:04:48Adam Sosnick?

  They were not because the

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  That's a but for analysis. The proximate analysis, the legal analysis is, the officers have the duty to deescalate. They did not.

• 1:04:56Adam Sosnick?

  There are

• 1:04:59Adam Sosnick?

  There are tons of people in mainstream media that are calling this, you know, a vicious murder. He was executed in the back of the head. No, he wasn't. You want to see a vicious murder? Go look at the way MS-13 conducts things. Those are vicious murders. This was not an execution. This was not the mob taking Saddam Hussein to the end of the alleyway and executing him against the wall. Those are executions at the hands of the mob.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  I agree, but I'm not saying that.

• 1:05:28Adam Sosnick?

  Well, too many people are, and I think you have to look at this.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  You've got me here, brother. Look at my shirt. I bought it just for you.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  But are you ready for this, Chris? I carry a gun every single day, all the time, no matter what. And if I know I'm going to get into a fight, or if I know I'm going to go into a... Guess what? I'm not bringing the gun, because I... By the way, Second Amendment, I love it. Good for him. Congratulations. When you're going into that situation, you... By the way, in that first video, did you see... What did he have in his back of his pants the first time?

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  Maybe a weapon.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Maybe 90%, I would say he had the gun, but they pushed him away and they had to take the person that they detained, and they wanted to get rid of him. They wanted to get this person... I don't know what they were for. I know, as a gun owner, as an educated, ex-military, military police, if you're gonna go into that situation carrying a gun, you better expect that's gonna happen, Chris. And mind you, these are human beings. Besides the training, you're in a scuffle, there's a gun. In that split second, anybody can watch Monday Night Quarterback, watching it all, slow motion. There's the gun. It's happening in real time. A gun went off, everybody panics, and guess what? You said F A F O? My thing is, crap happens, okay? That type of situation happens. But the real thing, and you mentioned it, Chris, who... I think Pat did, I'm sorry.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Who... What? Who is talking to you and who's motivating you to where your parents say, "I don't know what the hell happened to him. I don't know who he's hanging out with." All the Signal chats, all the stuff, it was all coordinated. And then when the governor and the mayor and Ilhan Omar are saying, "Gestapo Hitler Nazis go after them." Think about it, Chris. He's... He thinks in his head, "These are Nazis and I could yell at them," and not like the Jews couldn't say anything during the Holocaust and everything. They couldn't yell at them. Nazis, I have the power. I can yell at these Nazis. I could tell them to go to hell. I could spit on them. And nothing's gonna happen. Go, let's take that step back. And how did he get to that point? You're a nurse. What, what, by the way, have you ever tried to kick the frickin' light, taillight off of a car?

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  That's not easy, bro. That's not easy. I tried to do it when Adam had a car. But my point is, it's the mentality of how we got to the, this point in this country.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't have any problem with everything that you're saying. I mean, some of the things I don't agree with in terms of whether they happened or not, but that's not the point. The legal analysis of the shoot does not involve any of that. The legal analysis of the shoot is not about how mad the guy was. These are people who are trained and given color of authority to deal with people at their worst. That's the job. Then don't do the job. Forget about it was accidentally discharged. The one thing that I think should be consensus is, should there be a law that you cannot carry a weapon into a protest?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Is it not in, in, in?

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  In Minnesota, you're allowed.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  In Minnesota, you could.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  And most do it state by state, but I don't know what's stopping having a federal, uh, law.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, here's my question, because if there's a federal, like, the ICE was conducting federal duties, and you interfere in that sense? Border Patrol. I don't know, your border, whatever. I, I, I don't know about the law in that sense, not, not a Minnesota thing, but if they're conducting duty and you show up with a gun and you get into a confrontation, I don't see how that's legal.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Second Amendment guys aren't gonna, aren't gonna like us for this, but I mean, it does seem that the one thing everybody agrees on is that he shouldn't have had the weapon with him if he was going to engage in the kind of stuff that he was. Now, I wish everybody thought about it the way you do and the way I do. Uh, especially on a personal level. Like, if I thought I were gonna mix it up as a gun owner, I'm not bringing the weapon unless I think my life is in danger. That's why I have the weapon.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  But, uh, he didn't make that choice. Should it be put upon you? That it should be the law that you can't bring a weapon into a situation like that. The Second Amendment guys will never allow it.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Never. But it is interesting that we've seen this flip about, and I think it's about the desperation of advantage. But also, sometimes things just through the lens of right and wrong makes sense. You don't bring a weapon to a place like this, only bad shit can happen. That's right, wrong, but we don't see things that way. We see things right, left, and Alex Preddy is a perfect example of that. It's crazy how it's a Rorschach test. How it's not about reasonable, it's about which side do I support? And more and more of our things are becoming that, and that's why I'm so afraid that the violence gets worse, which is why I said anything to Scott Jennings in the first place. I don't want to hurt Scott. I liked working with him, I think he's smart, I think he's really valuable to CNN. But you keep talking this talk. Imagine Vinny, you know, you and me, like you say something, I'm like, you have any? And what are you gonna do about it? As soon as this mic is off and Pat's not looking at me, what do you think's gonna happen then?

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  You'd be like, whoa, whoa, what are you doing, man? You're supposed to be friends. You're not, you're not friends, like in Jennings situation. That's, don't be a bully, don't taunt. Bad stuff's gonna happen, people are listening to you. Couple of days later, this happens, do I blame Jennings? Absolutely not. But we are asking for worse, that's all I'm saying.

• 1:10:11Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I think I'm kinda where most Americans are these days. It was just, I'm so, one day I'm on the side of ICE, the other day I'm on the side of Preddy. I think a lot of Americans are confused.

• 1:10:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me do this, Rob, can you, if you're gonna go there, can you play the Andrew Schultz clip? Because it's causing a lot of people in the marketplace to kind of go through it in the way you're describing it. Which is kinda like, man, what I'm seeing just doesn't look right, I can't believe this.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  Rogan did the same thing?

• 1:10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Rogan did it at first, and then he kind of changes position a little bit. He changes position a few days later. Not fully, but he said, I wonder why, who this is benefiting. Nobody else is talking about the investigations that Nick Shirley did. Here's Andrew Schultz, go ahead, Rob.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis. ICE murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Like, plain and simple.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  I see the administration trying to spin it, and it's fucking disgusting. It's like, they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage, we're gonna try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his First and Second Amendment rights. Right? He has the right to protest, he has the right to carry a firearm, he's a legal gun owner, right? There's no question about this whatsoever.

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  The administration immediately comes out and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened.

• 1:11:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  And, um.

• 1:11:43Adam Sosnick?

  That is what they do, though.

• 1:11:44Speaker 05

  But that is what they do.

• 1:11:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:45Speaker 05

  And, and I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened and you're not gonna just lie to us, plain and simple, like that.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  He apparently didn't see the second video. He obviously didn't see the second video.

• 1:12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  This, I think is from two days ago, three days ago, before the video went out with, so just to defend Andrew, he may have not seen the other clip, but go ahead, Adam.

• 1:12:12Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I think Schultz is, is mostly right here. Schultz has been, and I think this is a calculated decision, going a little bit further left, because he wants to have a good relationship with his mayor. He's a Hollywood guy now, more than a political guy. So I understand where Schultz is coming from. The reality is this, with this guy, uh, pretty, he should be alive right now. He should be alive for a few reasons. Number one, he should have been in jail a week ago after what he did, assaulting the police officer, spitting on them, kicking the car, so he shouldn't even been at that protest. Number two, I don't know what needs to happen with ICE, but there's a collective conscious that's basically saying, stop killing people that are protesting. Whether you need rubber bullets, whether you need gas, whatever it is, at the same time, I stand with law enforcement.

• 1:12:57Adam Sosnick?

  None of us have, other than PBD and Vinnie to an extent, have woken up and have served our country and put your life on the line. And if you believe what James O'Keefe is saying, and he's been in war zones and believe in all, and been in all sorts of chaotic situations, he said this is the most calculated, just communist agenda that he's ever seen and he actually feared for his life. So, last point is this, PBD, you talked about how we need to have a cooldown period, uh, and stop having a rush to judgment. You talked about how if you get in a fight with your wife and you're driving home, you know, you used to have a half hour drive home to, you know what, babe, let me think about it. Now, you know, and people are doing it. He's clearly not married yet, by the way.

• 1:13:41Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I get it. Um, but now, it's not about.

• 1:13:46Adam Sosnick?

  Being right, it's about who's first.

• 1:13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:13:49Adam Sosnick?

  So everyone who wants, "Oh, you saw what happened." But nobody wants, the left, you think that the mainstream media is gonna play these videos of him being an agitator and an instigator? No.

• 1:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:14:00Adam Sosnick?

  They wanna make...

• 1:14:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You're playing them all over the place.

• 1:14:02Adam Sosnick?

  Don't give them that much credit. We've all been duped by the left, you included me for sure. But he should be alive. But you brought up the major point, F A F O. These guys are looking for issues.

• 1:14:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna say something with Schultz and with Rogan and these guys. Uh, I think Schultz is... I don't know how to say this. I'm gonna say it. I think Schultz, how likely is it that Schultz studies the market of comedy very closely?

• 1:14:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  How closely do you think he follows it?

• 1:14:36Adam Sosnick?

  As much as you possibly can.

• 1:14:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it fair to say he knows the future of comedy as Marcelo Hernandez?

• 1:14:42Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, I mean, that might be a part of it, for sure.

• 1:14:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think he knows that?

• 1:14:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. That's a major part of it.

• 1:14:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Marcelo, the other day, sat right next to Jimmy Fallon while he's doing a sketch with, uh, what's his name?

• 1:14:53Adam Sosnick?

  Sebastian?

• 1:14:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, uh, no, no, no. While he's doing a, uh, they're talking to Bad Bunny, and then they're asking questions of somebody else that's sitting on there. I don't remember who it was. And when I saw that clip, the first thing I was, I was watching Jimmy Fallon. You know what I said? I said, "Jimmy Fallon knows Marcelo's about to take his job." That's Marcelo's job. Whether it's gonna be three, five, 10 years, that job, or Kimmel's job, is Marcelo's job. So now watch this. Andrew Schultz is a guy that's super capable. He started his career many, he was on Fox News a lot back in, I think he was on The Five, I don't know what show. He was regularly on one of these Fox shows. And then he recreated himself, probably because he wanted to be a mainstream comedian,

• 1:15:34Patrick Bet-David?

  and it kinda took off. And Schultz is not just a comedian comedian. Schultz is very smart. He's a very smart guy. Very. Every time we talk to him, you enjoy his company, he's smart. He's like, "I think there's a part of Schultz where he's sitting there saying, 'I'm not leaving New York. I'm staying here. This is my position. Ride or die. This is my hometown. I'm gonna defend this place. I'm gonna be a voice here. I'm gonna be that guy. I'm gonna be the Joe Rogan of New York City.'" That's his mindset.

• 1:16:02Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So logically, if somebody sat down with Andrew, my opinion logically, I think Andrew eventually would logically say, okay, I agree with these three areas, but I still think this was a cold-blooded, you know, okay, fair, he's got that. With Joe, to me, Joe genuinely is heart-first.

• 1:16:26Adam Sosnick?

  Rogan, you mean?

• 1:16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  A hundred percent. Joe genuinely is heart-first, is empathetic. Joe genuinely is somebody that, and by the way, I mean, I'm not even part of this camp, like, you know, I've been on the podcast a couple times, but I'm not, you know, best friends with Joe. I'm not in the comedic community, hey, come down and do this, I'm not. It's just a, hey, friendly, we see each other once or twice a year. It's that kind of a relationship that we have. So I'm not saying this because he's my best friend and because, you know, all this other stuff and we're always doing stuff together. No, I would be lying to if I said something like that. I genuinely believe this guy's got a big-ass heart and he leads with that.

• 1:17:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But the part that makes Joe so special is he starts with heart and then he says, fuck, dude, but what, you know, I don't know, maybe, huh? I think that's what he goes through. So Schultz, I think Schultz is kind of wondering if getting too close to Trump is gonna help him in his Hollywood career, doing movies, doing acting, having the show, because Schultz has the capability of also running one of those shows. One time I talked to Schultz, I said, hey, if you wanted to come down here, let's figure something out. I would make this entire place Schultz's place, because I think Schultz needs to have a late night. So I think Schultz is kind of going through this, like, do I want to be a political guy? Probably not. The F am I doing? Let me just go be the comedic guy and do movies and all. I think that's kind of where he's going, that's a choice.

• 1:17:51Adam Sosnick?

  Question on Schultz?

• 1:17:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And by the way, I don't think Joe cares to be in movies.

• 1:17:55Adam Sosnick?

  No, I agree, because Joe's already done that.

• 1:17:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you guys hear about what happened with Joe and the Grammy Award? Did you guys hear about the Grammy story? You guys didn't hear about what happened? Why he didn't get nominated?

• 1:18:03Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:18:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, do you have this clip? Did you see this or no? Yes, I did. Watch this, let him say to himself, Tom. And I'm so glad the three of you guys haven't seen it to react to it. You haven't seen it. This is phenomenal, watch this. You mean the Globes? The Golden, what's it? Golden Globes. Golden Globes, yeah. What did I say? Did I say? Grammys is for music. This tells you how much I follow this stuff. Golden Globes, go ahead, Rob.

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  speaks on being snubbed at the Golden Globes after Amy Poehler won Podcast of the Year. This was the first year of this being a category.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  So here's the thing, a lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes? And like, why did, you know, Amy Poehler went, I didn't submit.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  They asked me to submit to be nominated for the Golden Globes and you had to pay $500. And the $500 is like for paperwork or whatever. I said, no. I go, I don't care. I already won. Like you can't tell me I didn't win. I've been number one for six years in a row. All of a sudden you're gonna have a contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos and you're gonna say now I'm not number one? Like, off.

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  Joe Rogan speaks and

• 1:19:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I love that. So, so that's why he wasn't nominated. They actually approached him and

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  They also probably knew he wasn't gonna win. I wish.

• 1:19:13Adam Sosnick?

  Well, what do you mean he's probably was? You think Amy Poehler legitimately has a bigger, better podcast than Joe Rogan? Come on.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  That's not the question. It's about who's voting. They weren't gonna let him win. They don't like his politics and they don't like how all over the place he is. I wish Scott Galloway had his platform. I think the problem with Schultz, the problem with Rogan, when they get into these kinds of waters is they're not built for this. Okay. Scott Galloway is built for this. He's educated in a way. He's thought about things. He's experientially there. He has an understanding of philosophy and politics and history. You know, who you get your opinions from matters. Now, I'm not saying you don't have the right to do it.

• 1:19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  That's an elitist opinion, right?

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  Listen, it's an elitist opinion, but I have the choice to want elite sources.

• 1:19:56Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure you do.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  What I'm saying is I, I, I respect his success. The people have spoken. Joe Rogan is the number one podcast. There's no way you can look at it where it isn't. But I also think it speaks to where we are as a culture.

• 1:20:08Adam Sosnick?

  When you say build for this, what is this?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  The reason that Joe Rogan is gonna, the generous way to say it is start heart and then go head is that he's negotiating the space the way most of us are. That's not usually who leads, who leads in thought making, what we used to call the cognoscenti, right?

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  That was an elitist word right there.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  But look.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  Only Tom understood that word.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  It's elitist in terms of what you see as elite. I think that, why do I listen to Scott Galloway? Because I think he's an idiot who has hot takes?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  No, I respect his experience. Why do I come with you guys? I respect the basis of your opinions. I love the success that you guys have built. I love what you're about. I love the consistency. I respect it. Is that elitist of me?

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  No, it's I expect and respect quality. The reason Rogan is all over the place is because he's, this is kind of new to him of people listening to his ideas about things and him needing to have takes on things. What's his great asset? He gets the best people to go on that podcast and he has open-ended conversations with them. That's, that's what he does well. These other guys who are trying to get into the opinion business, not all opinions have the same value.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  But have you heard his like, I have to push back because if you've heard his stand-up from his, from regardless of the career, which is it's from Fear Factor to everything.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  If you listen to the stand-up, it's smart. It's not just dumb.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  I'm not saying he's not smart.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no. And I'm saying though, and then with the, I have to push back because if you've listened to these conversations that he's had with scientists and you know, NASA astronauts, Elon Musk and everything, the questions and the pushback, he's, I'm not saying you're saying he's dumb, but there's a reason he's number one is because of the conversations and the questions. And it's not like he's sit there and write up, he wrote the questions down. This is off-the-cuff conversations where even he's thinking and if you've gone into like, he goes down these rabbit holes and it's not the, oh, I'm, I'm high and I went down this rabbit hole.

• 1:22:09Speaker 03

  Sometimes it's that.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  Chris, have you, when's, when's the last time you heard an entire podcast of Joe Rogan?

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Me?

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  The whole, be honest.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  Absolutely never.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Okay, so you're gonna sit here and say that he's that guy and you haven't done any actual research, you're watching clips that they put on.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  That isn't even close to accurate.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  What you just said is stupid, Vinny.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  How do you figure?

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  The idea that I haven't watched an entire podcast start to finish.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  To listen to him.

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  I don't have any research basis for my understanding of Joe Rogan.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  So how do you do the research? You watch clips on you on text?

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, clips, like a thousand. I've listened to his podcast so often and I've read and seen. I mean, that's just, that's just.

• 1:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Who? This is Galloway?

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  Chris. No, Rogan.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  But wait, you don't watch a three hour podcast and develop an opinion?

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  This is stupid.

• 1:22:51Adam Sosnick?

  I want to find out who the person is.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  How many clips have you watched of Rogan?

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  How many clips have you watched of Rogan?

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  Literally thousands.

• 1:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so what's his name? He said thousands.

• 1:22:59Speaker 03

  And I respect his success.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  And I don't agree with your assessment of his interviews with a level of sophistication. You want to say that about Howard Stern? I'm with you. You want to say that about a Galloway? I'm with you. I think there's some really good people out there who aren't necessarily from the political space. That would be elitist.

• 1:23:15Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, can I bring this back to you?

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Wait, Howard Stern, the guy that brings people with Down syndrome and butt naked girls?

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's done a lot of stupid things, but as an interviewer, anybody who listens to the interviews he's doing now, you know, people grow and mature, Vinny, okay? The way that Howard got, Howard Stern almost started race riots in New York City. Howard Stern wanted to run against my father because he believed everybody deserved the death penalty. I have plenty of reasons not to like the guy, okay? Um, first thing he ever said to me when I met him was, it's just an act. So I got plenty of reasons to dismiss the guy. People evolve and they change and I give them that. Why? Because I want it. That's why. I want that grace. I want that forgiveness. Not from some other schmo. I want it from there. But his interviews are sophisticated, uh, especially when he's in his wheelhouse. I don't feel that way about Rogan. That's just my opinion. I'm not disrespecting him. I don't want bad things for him.

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  Um, but I do think you wade into these kinds of waters. It's not surprising that he's going to go back and forth. You know, I'd rather hear Tom Homan, uh, if he weren't in the administration. I'd want to hear his take. I want to hear John Miller on CNN. I want his take. Why? Because he did the job. Because he knows what goes into the analysis. Because he understands the politics of it. That's all I'm saying. No disrespect, and I know everybody's going to take the clip and say Cuomo's jealous of Rogan. He hates him. It's not true. I wish him only good things.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  But you also said he's not gonna be number one in three years, remember that? You wanna put a bet on that? You said that a year ago, that he's not gonna be the number one podcast.

• 1:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  In fact, he almost lost it last year.

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  Well, I'm saying in three years, so wait, when did you say this quote?

• 1:24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think Rogan will be number one in three years. There are too many other voices coming into the space.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  You wanna make a bet? Well, you said that statement a year ago, so we have two years left.

• 1:24:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm here.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  I'll bet you 500 bucks he's gonna be number one. Hey, take that to the bank, guys.

• 1:24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, he could be number two.

• 1:24:56Adam Sosnick?

  Listen, there's another podcast in South Florida that might be in the conversation at that point. Can I bring it back to you? Because I think where you were going with Schultz is very, very accurate. Because we obviously know Marcelo very well, we know Schultz very well. Because if you're putting yourself in Schultz's position, I know you said you didn't necessarily wanna come out and say it, so I'm just gonna ask you, I think he's looking at two different diametrics. I think he's looking at culture, Hollywood, what Marcelo was doing, and then looking at politics, New York and business. Schultz and his team, how many times have they said, "How do you build a business? What are you doing right here?" At what point is he gonna see the taxes in New York? And say, "Even though I'm trying to play this game, it's gonna be too much."

• 1:25:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew loves his dad. When you have a man who was raised by an incredible family, have you ever heard how he talks about his mom and dad?

• 1:25:44Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, the ballroom dancers and...

• 1:25:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He gets emotional talking about his parents. When you have incredible parents, loyalty goes higher. When you have incredible parents, loyalty goes higher. To wanna make them proud goes higher. To wanna make them happy goes higher. And if his parents are pro-New York, "This is where we are, we gotta make it work", he's probably gonna do that. Does that mean long-term he's not gonna move and go to Florida? Something like that, he may do that.

• 1:26:09Adam Sosnick?

  I think he's gonna stay in New York. I think he wants to be the king of New York. You said that earlier.

• 1:26:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think he does. I think he does, but I also think Marcelo Hernandez comes into play here. I really believe that.

• 1:26:18Adam Sosnick?

  Why, for those that don't know Marcelo, why do you make that point?

• 1:26:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, if Marcelo is, you know, like, I wish I knew Vinny at 23. Because I think Marcelo and Vinny give me same vibes, okay? But I met Vinny at 44, okay? If I would've met Vinny at 23, I would be like, "Vinny, listen, man, we're going a different route." If I was, I'm telling you right now, if I was Vinny's agent at 23, Vinny probably doesn't give a shit about politics at 23, right? Funny guy doing what he's doing. I would have helped Vinny have a job like a Fallon camel if I was an agent. If, if we would, if I'm me, my wiring, I negotiate a lot of people's contracts behind closed doors that nobody knows about.

• 1:27:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm not gonna say publicly, I talked to a lot of people that call me, big contracts and I'm talking to them and I'm involved. And, uh, you know, I enjoy this. I just have no desire to go into the, what do you call it?

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  Agent.

• 1:27:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I have no desire to go into that space. Zero desire to go into that space at all.

• 1:27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Marcelo and Vinny have a lot in common. Extremely likable. The difference with Vinny is, once politics gets a hold of you and you hit a certain age where you're like, dude, I don't give a shit about being famous. I love America. I want to talk about this, this is that. Marcelo hasn't gone through that yet. Marcelo's 26, 28.

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  28.

• 1:27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  28, good looking, charming, handsome. My God, he's likable. He's probably a center guy because of his mother. His mother's beautiful, talented. This guy's got a very big upside. And Marcelo, everyone's watching what's going on with Marcelo and his video's going viral and it's effortless.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  The mother's Cuban, no?

• 1:28:01Patrick Bet-David?

  The mother's Cuban, yes. The mother's Cuban.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  So he could easily shade right to Cuban.

• 1:28:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want, I want to transition into next story. I don't, I don't want to stay here. We haven't covered a lot of stories, but that, that's my thoughts on.

• 1:28:11Adam Sosnick?

  You know, he worked here at Valuetainment. That's why Pat is talking about it.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Is that true?

• 1:28:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. But look.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  This is the incubator.

• 1:28:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Whether he worked here or not, this guy, the, the credit goes to his abilities on what he's done.

• 1:28:22Adam Sosnick?

  Can I make one point, 20 seconds that I think you'll appreciate? So he just did his comedy special. It's trending on Netflix. It's a top three thing. I went to the show, multiple shows. We're backstage, we're hanging out with his family. You know, he's a very good friend of mine.

• 1:28:35Patrick Bet-David?

  10 seconds.

• 1:28:35Adam Sosnick?

  I met him when he was 19. It was right after Charlie Kirk got killed. And we had a very important conversation because I'm, you know where we stand on Charlie. I'm like, he goes, yeah, but Charlie messed up on one thing. And this is what I do in comedy. It's called rounding the joke. He says, I'll go all in on white people as an example. White people did this, white people did this, white people did this. But at the end of the joke, just when he's offending the white people, he'll say, but we all know that the white people are the best, kind of a thing. And that's what he criticized Charlie on is that we live in this dunking culture. Where that you'll dunk on somebody, then they'll clip it. And then what he does is he rounds the joke.

• 1:29:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. You're at two minutes now. So what I would say with you with Marcelo. As usual. There's a difference between Marcelo and Charlie Kirk. Marcelo's got a clear vision. He wants to be the modern day Jerry Seinfeld and higher. Okay. Charlie Kirk was not trying to be comedian. So it's a terrible comparison. If Charlie wanted to be comedian, it'd be a different story. Marcelo's going to different. I know he's saying it. I get it. I get it. Okay. All right. Let's get to the next story. This next story is a little bit of a weird story, but I think we have to touch it. Spain legalizes 500,000 undocumented immigrants sparking backlash. This is kind of weird what we're talking about here with Spain. So as the United States experience, and by the way, this is a Fox News story.

• 1:29:57Patrick Bet-David?

  As the U.S. experiences negative net migration due to President Donald J. Trump's policy, Spain is heading in the opposite direction, announcing plans to grant legal status for up to a half a million illegal immigrants. Spain socialist led government approved a royal decree on Tuesday allowing unauthorized immigrants who entered the country before the end of 2025. And we have lived there for at least five months and have no criminal record to obtain one year residency and work permits with possible pathways to citizenship. While many European governments have more to tighten immigration policies, some encouraged by Trump administration's hardline approach, Spain has taken a different path. Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez and his ministers have repeatedly highlighted what they describe

• 1:30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  as economic benefits of legal migration, particularly for the country's aging workforce. Spain will not look the other way. Migration Minister Elmasais told reporters at a news conference, saying, the government is dignifying and recognizing people who are already in our country. Cuomo.

• 1:31:02Adam Sosnick?

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• 1:32:03Speaker 03

  Politically fraught. I think that Spain, I don't think, I know, Spain is in a very bad place economically. Unemployment, where their future is, what kind of investment there is in that place. They have real problems. So they're looking at it through that lens. And yeah, it's a socialistic government and politics, and that's a little bit more expansive in its thinking about migration than other European countries. But there are conditions put on it, but I think that it is a very risky move because I think it's hard to know who you're allowing and what their impact will be. And this would certainly not fly in America, certainly not right now.

• 1:32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  You know, I just, I mean.

• 1:32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Check your phone.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  The whole thing with, everything with immigration, I know, Tom, you're gonna go for it. Everything from, like, especially UK and all these, all these countries, they don't understand what, what this is going to do to the country. And going just really quick, Alex, why is, why is everything happening in the country with all this ice and everything? You know why? Because for four years, the- Biden administration opened the border, they're doing exactly what they're gonna do over there, and flooded this place with people that do not belong here. And the moment that people speak out, it's like, ready for this? One side makes the mess, and you go to try to clean up the mess, and they go, "Hey, what the..." And they get mad at the person cleaning up the mess, okay? I think this is a horrible freaking mood, move. It's all for votes.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  It's all for votes, and they're gonna feel the brunt of it. And I feel bad, because I have friends, Pat, whose families just fled Venezuela to go to Spain, finally, after 30 years, and now they're gonna go to this. This is what they're gonna go to.

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  As Chris pointed out-

• 1:33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I have one question to ask when we get to this, and I am so curious with this one thing, but Tom, I want to hear your thoughts, and I have one question I want to ask.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  So, Spain has a struggling economy, and in a lot of different ways. And the concept that the way that you're going to figure out how to fund the struggling economy, I'm gonna use a word here, but it was a word that's been used to describe a set of countries. Within the socialist bloc that is the EU, there is a phrase that came up, not invented by me, called "pigs." And I believe it was Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain, or Ireland, Greece, Spain. But it talked about the ones that were consuming socialist resources to take care of all their people versus the ones that were contributing the capital

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  to do it. And the capital usually came from Germany, and sometimes France, because remember, the UK is not part of EU. And so, what you have is this struggle in Spain, and someone stands up and said, "Oh, if the illegals have been here five months and have no criminal record, let's give them a residency and work permit." The residency and work permit includes rights to things that we have seen break budgets in the United States, like Medicaid in California, like, you know, EBT cards in New York City, where that puts stress on the system, because all of these illegal immigrants, and that's what they are, they're

• 1:35:22Speaker 03

  immigrants, to humanize them, and they're illegally here, and so, I won't say alien-

• 1:35:30Tom Ellsworth?

  These things create stress on economies.

• 1:35:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Why won't you say alien, Tom? Why are you walking on eggshells and you won't say alien?

• 1:35:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, because, because, you know, I think that illegal immigrant is a very strong, clear term. Now, illegal alien is also a clear, strong term, but the average person, I think, doesn't know that alien has been a constant verb, excuse me, a constant noun in the lexicon of describing immigration for 150 years.

• 1:35:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who cares?

• 1:35:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I'll use both of them. But the point, the point simply here is that I will, I see.

• 1:36:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm just wondering why, you know, why is that a, you're gonna just break it, yeah, why is that a sensitive thing to even say? Like, we have to be careful not saying a word like this. That's not a curse word, it's not a...

• 1:36:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, maybe, okay, I'm sorry. Maybe I was self-checking a little bit. So, these, you know...

• 1:36:19Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, say how you feel.

• 1:36:21Tom Ellsworth?

  So, these illegal aliens come in there, they are going to take more resources from Spain to take care of them, because just because you have a work permit and residency doesn't mean you have a job and then that you're being taxed and then the cycle is going back into the, to the country. I think this is a really bad idea that's been brought about by the EU and the globalist agenda that's underneath the socialist policy. The socialist policy will bring bankruptcy, the globalist agenda destroys cultures and brings all these people in. Ask Germany how it worked with all the boat people. They have been trying to untangle that mess now for four years.

• 1:37:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, you said something already, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Adam?

• 1:37:09Adam Sosnick?

  I'll circle back in 10 years. Let's see what happens here. You know, I've been very vocal that I wake up, I don't think about California. We've seen how this state is basically falling apart, and I wish them luck. I sure, as...

• 1:37:24Adam Sosnick?

  I sure don't wake up and think about Spain. At for one point, I used to wake up and think about London. I used to think about Paris. And at this point, guys, do what you gotta do. We'll circle back in 10 years. What I will say is this, how many videos have we shown or seen of the guy, I think he was in Germany? Or South African, he goes, you're not gonna tell me where I can film in my country? You're not gonna, this guy goes all over the world, basically exposing what illegal immigration or immigration and globalism has done to all these amazing countries. Why is it that countries that have a culture, that have borders, are expected to take in the third world? If Europe wants to do it, God bless. All I want is that to not happen in America, and I think that's what a lot of patriots feel.

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  And Pat, I know you want to ask a question. My thing is, the people, the people, what can they do? What can, if you're, if you're a Spaniard, no, no, besides a vote.

• 1:38:14Adam Sosnick?

  They're voting for socialists.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  No, no, your government, your government, when they say Spain, it's not the people. The people of Spain aren't voting for.

• 1:38:21Adam Sosnick?

  For the government.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Hey, anybody can come into office. Obama came in and he did such a great freaking job. What I'm saying is, at what point, Pat, at what point, Chris, I want to know you guys' thing. Do we, do the people say enough is enough? For four years, I'm actually embarrassed, Chris. If I was in the military, I think it would have been a different story. For four years, we know what the Biden administration did, and I didn't do anything about it. America didn't do anything about it. When the border was eyed open, why didn't we act? Why didn't we all go to the border, I'm being dead, no, no, hold on, and say, hell no. You're not gonna let these people in because we are where we are today because of that policy. And nobody said a peep. Nobody from the other side said a peep. And then we get land to this point where people are getting shot and ICE and this and that. And everybody's like, how, how did this happen?

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Uh, murder, by the way, is down 20%. Overdose deaths are down 20%. And New York Times came out with an article, and they're like, what in the world? How did this happen? I think, Adam, it's gonna keep happening to where the people are going to have to step up. Last thing I'm gonna say, when the Gavin Newsom's come in, Chris, I know you said you're not gonna vote for him. When the Gavin Newsom comes in with the pendulum switches, and he's the guy that is pro illegals, pro open border, pro no ID to vote. What's gonna happen then, Chris? What, what are the American people? gonna do when the border gets reopened and the same problems happen again.

• 1:39:37Adam Sosnick?

  Let me just answer this.

• 1:39:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Vinnie, you asked a question that I think deserves to get an answer. If you could pause a second.

• 1:39:43Adam Sosnick?

  The people did speak. They voted for Trump. Just like the people spoke and they voted for Mamdani and in four years they're gonna realize what the hell did I do? They should have voted for a different guy with named Cuomo. That's my only point. The people will speak, but they speak with their votes.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  No, but actions.

• 1:39:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I have a question that actually goes to what Vinnie was actually saying, not my own opinion off the side. So, Vinnie, you're saying what are the people doing? I'll tell you what they're doing. Conservative people, conservatives have won elections. Now, Rocky won a conservative election in Poland. And Mertz, a conservative candidate, won an election in Germany. We're not talking about prime ministers, we're not talking about this, but Ursula von der Leyen is still president of the EU Commission. And the EU Commission and its globalist desires and constructs are infiltrating what's going on. But you are seeing the voters vote for conservative candidates in response. When you're saying, what are the people doing? In many cases, they're trying to vote and they're trying to put these conservative candidates out.

• 1:40:42Tom Ellsworth?

  And they're rebelling against the policies that are coming from the centrist control point that is the EU flag. Remember, the blue flag with the stars on it runs Europe more than your sovereign flag does, regardless of what people want to tell you.

• 1:40:55Adam Sosnick?

  That's a good point by Tom, but validating my point.

• 1:40:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So, here's my thoughts. The question that I got is the following. So if you look at, Rob, can you pull up what times in US history has population declined? What few times has the population declined in the history of US? You got three different times. 1918, 1919, okay? Near zero growth or minute decline in growth states, growth rates. Then, of course, we had COVID, which was like negative 1%. Aside from that, we've never had another time, okay? I actually want to see the reports come in on what happens to US population in 2025.

• 1:41:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So I think it declined. I think the US population probably declined in nineteen, in 2025. I think it's gonna decline even more in 2026. And why? Because of immigration. We're not letting people in. So then what's the solution to that? The democratic solution is what? Open the floodgates, let people in. Okay, 10 to 25 million, whatever number that you said earlier here. We've heard both of those numbers. What's the Republican plan for that? What's the conservative plan? Now, of course, they're talking about this thousand-dollar plan. I don't know if you're seeing this or not. Uh, Rob, this battery pack doesn't work, by the way. Can you ask Mathieu to just come into the building? Uh, at this point, like I've asked for a battery pack three times. If, uh, and I know you brought it to me, this one doesn't work.

• 1:42:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Um, I know they're doing a thousand dollars for the kids that they're giving away that, you know, uh, Bank of America signed up for it. I want to say Michael Dell signed up for it. I want to say a bunch of guys signed up for it that they said they're gonna be doing. What else are you going to do? And FYI, say that report comes out. Be the liberal, be the opponent, be the enemy, argue for it. What do you say? Is that a taint? Is that a bad look? What is it? If it says US population declined for the first time, not because of a war, not because of Spanish flu, not because of, uh, what do you call it? Uh, COVID, but because we stopped taking any immigrants in. What do we then say? How does the enemy argue against that?

• 1:43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll come to you, Tom. Logical argument, and then Chris, I'm gonna come to you afterward.

• 1:43:16Tom Ellsworth?

  So if somebody came to me with that argument?

• 1:43:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say all of a sudden, news comes out. 2025, the first time in US history where population declined not due to a virus or a war.

• 1:43:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I would say, let's look at the underlying reasons and let's make them plain and understandable for people. Boomers, now the generation is passing away. Birth rate, because we've destroyed the concept of the American family and the pride of having children and doing things because we've become, you know, so anti-family, we're having less children. And so we're responsible for our own shrinkage. These same headlines, ladies and gentlemen, are showing up in Japan. These same headlines are showing up in Korea. Because with the pride of having a family and building within the country has been replaced by this individualism and this socialism and this lie. And consequently, we're passing away right on time with actuarial tables and we're not having children to replace it. That's what's going on, folks.

• 1:44:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what's going on. What would you say, Chris?

• 1:44:14Speaker 03

  There are people on the left who would say good, right? Because they think the world is overpopulated. I think there are people on the right who would say good because they believe that the country is overpopulated. And then it would become about what we decide to make it mean. Okay? What does it mean? Does it mean that we are shrinking in a bad way? Or are we getting stronger because we're concentrating our assets? And I think it would become a political football. And I think that the idea that the right doesn't have a plan or the left does is optimistic on both, though counterintuitive, because they're going to react, not act. So it will become a thing. Okay?

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  If Pat's premise happens, we've gone down in population. We will feel some kind of way about it, right? And different people will make us feel that way. Then they'll react. And if it seems that, well, this is good. It's working. It's working. Trump's policy is working. If it's seen that way, you know what the right's plan is. Let's keep going this way. This works. And if it's, oh, no, we overcorrected. We need... Then they'll have another one. And they'll encourage what Tom is talking about. Hey, what happened to our investment in our families? How come we're not having enough babies? So they'll react to it. I don't know that on its face, the population going down is inherently good or bad. I don't know. But I do think it will be shaped by our binary politics.

• 1:45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I think the moment that news hits, you're gonna hear mainstream media on the opposite side saying, look what happened. Do you now need your immigrants? What do you want to say now? Are you not gonna open the borders and start accepting people that are coming in? Biggest mistake. Look what we're being impacted by. Companies can't hire people. Capitalism's being affected by it. Job creators need these immigrants that were at least willing to do the work. I think that messaging is gonna go off. And all I'm saying is they gotta find a way to get a message that incentivizes people to have kids again. And the way you do this thousand-dollar works, the IVF program thing that they announced, I think you saw that as well. I think I would be going a little bit deeper to find a way... To go deeper on the story.

• 1:46:26Speaker 03

  Attack, attack cost of living. I'll tell you who wants to, whoever wants to win that argument goes all in on cost of living. Because the whole problem for the American family is purchasing power. Right? I mean, and you saw what happened. It took three days for the banks to get the administration to step off the credit card idea. Three days. Oh, we talked to the banks. They're gonna put out a Trump credit card that's 10%. But otherwise, we'll let them figure it out. These are the big dogs. The banks, the health insurance companies, these are the big dogs. Big Pharma. If you take them on, you change the cost of living. If you change the cost of living, you change the ability to have kids.

• 1:47:05Adam Sosnick?

  I think cost of living is a major factor. Affordability is a major factor, but I'll tell you what I think is the biggest factor, and that's feminism. We talked about this with Tate the other day. I think there's going to be a reawakening amongst women who have been sold a bill of goods to say, stop focusing on having kids, stop focusing on having a family, focus on your career, focus on your job, be a boss babe. I think young women are looking at the world saying, huh, is this really what I want to do? Compete with men? Pat, you brought up a study, I think it was of 12th grade girls, about how men still, their number one priority is having a wife, having a family, and, and living that ideal American dream. From women, it's now number 12. Women no longer want to grow up and have a family.

• 1:47:48Adam Sosnick?

  And I think young women are gonna basically come to their senses and say, no, I don't want to do this. And I've already seen it, where young women in high school are saying, I don't want to end up like the Chelsea handlers of the world, 50-year-old cat women, I want to have a family and I want to have kids. It just may be too late for some 30 and 40-year-old women. This episode is brought to you by Indeed. You're ready to level up your business, but the pressure to find the right person to make that happen is intense. Indeed-sponsored jobs can help carry the load. It boosts your job post to help it reach quality talent fast. Cut through the chaos with Indeed-sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring now?

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• 1:49:08Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll see. We'll see what happened here. I mean, for EU, that argument, remember, that argument's gonna come here. If you're gonna, if you're saying 2 million, 1.5 million to 2 million people self-deported, that's the number we keep hearing about. Okay, if you're saying, then think about the people that you've deported, all right? Then three, think about the people that are no longer coming here. I support all three of them. I support all three of them. But you better get ahead of it. It takes how long to have a kid? 40 weeks? 40 weeks is almost a year, 52, 12, but it's 3 months less. Like, you have to get ahead to promote and then get husband and wives to think about having kids, and that thinking could take 3 to 6 months. This is not a boom, boom, boom, let's have kids.

• 1:49:50Speaker 03

  And you don't get pregnant right away.

• 1:49:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you don't get pregnant right away.

• 1:49:52Speaker 03

  You spend your whole life as a young man worried about getting people pregnant. Then you decide to have a baby.

• 1:49:56Patrick Bet-David?

  It is so true.

• 1:49:56Speaker 03

  And you realize you got 8 minutes.

• 1:49:57Patrick Bet-David?

  It is so true.

• 1:49:58Adam Sosnick?

  Very familiar.

• 1:49:59Patrick Bet-David?

  To get it done. It is so true.

• 1:50:00Adam Sosnick?

  But look what happened with China, Pat.

• 1:50:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:03Adam Sosnick?

  The one-child policy backfired incredibly.

• 1:50:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's a policy. We stopped having kids.

• 1:50:09Adam Sosnick?

  Correct.

• 1:50:09Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very different, that was forced. This is our choice. Feminism destroyed, obviously, the childbirth rate. There's a bunch of different things that we can, you know, talk about that prevented this from happening. But I think family nucleus, going back to selling it, affordability, all of this is a part of it. Hopefully, they'll figure it out. By the way, this story goes to Rob. If you can go to page 18, the video, European Union Opens Borders to Mass India Migration Would Mother of All Ideas? If you have this clip, Rob, press this clip, go ahead, watch this, folks.

• 1:50:44Adam Sosnick?

  Finally, Prime Minister Dianna Renda, we both know our greatest wealth are our people.

• 1:50:53Adam Sosnick?

  That is why I'm so glad that we are signing an agreement on mobility. We will facilitate the movement of students, researchers, seasonal and highly skilled workers. Klaus Schwab. And this is also why we are launching the first EU legal gateway office in India. It will be a one-stop hub to support Indian talent moving to Europe in full alignment with EU member states' needs and policies. This is good for our economies. This is good for the friendship between our people, and this openness benefits us all.

• 1:51:36Adam Sosnick?

  As we conclude this 16th summit.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is she gonna get to the point, or is this gonna be like, I mean, just tell me what she's saying. Let me just read, guys, I don't know about you, maybe you have more patience than me. What is she getting to, Rob? So, European Union has agreed to open its borders, mass immigration from India has signed a block, largest free trade agreement, EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in a press conference in New Delhi alongside Prime Minister Modi on Tuesday, that the block has agreed to a mobility scheme to allow the influx of students, researchers, seasonal and high-skilled workers from India into Europe. The EU chief has also said that Brussels will open a legal gateway office in India to help facilitate migrants move to Europe. This is, this is good for economies, this is good for friendship between our people.

• 1:52:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This openness benefits us all, said von der Leyen. Despite the scale of the charges, changes agreed, reports in legacy media generally ignored or buried the migration aspect of the agreement reportedly heavily on the commitment trade agreement signed alongside. India already ranks among the top countries of origin for legal migration into the EU, with Indian nationals receiving the second most first-time residence permits among many nationalities in 2024, 192,000, only behind Ukraine at 295,000. According to Indian Prime Minister Modi, there are currently over 800,000 Indians living in the European Union. Tom?

• 1:53:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, guess what, Pat? What you just said is exactly what's happening here. What Pat was just talking about three minutes ago was, you know, what is the left gonna say? Oh, we need workers, we need this, this is what we need. This is, yo, guess what? And by the way, who's speaking? Prime Minister of Germany? Which is the, which is really the economic backbone of EU? No. Is this France? No. Is this all of the prime ministers coming together like a G7 type conference? No. It's Ursula von der Leyen. She is the unofficial president of the EU. And this deal has been cut. And it's, you take a look at the birth rates in all those countries. You look at what's happened over there. This is the response, Pat. This is exactly what you were asking.

• 1:53:46Tom Ellsworth?

  They're saying, well, we need, what do we need? Seasonal labor, skilled labor. And we're gonna allow students to come here. Exactly the categories that you're waiting for liberals in America to say, who's gonna, where are we gonna get skilled labor? Where are we gonna get it? They will. This is it. This is the response, Pat. This treaty is the response.

• 1:54:05Speaker 03

  There's another factor that matters a lot and wasn't mentioned by her and wasn't mentioned in the write-up either because people don't wanna touch it. What does India have going for it? If you're going to make a mass migration deal, other than that, that they're the second biggest population? What do they have going for them? 14% of their population is Muslim. And what they have going for them is, the big reason that people are migration averse right now is extreme Islamism. Is that when Muslims are coming into societies, look, I don't like this. I do a lot of work to distinguish between extreme Islamism and being a Muslim. But we see these communities where extremism takes root.

• 1:54:49Speaker 03

  They change culture, they fight against culture. India doesn't have that as a mark against allowing them in right now. Which is kind of an unspoken motivator. Why are you less worried if you hear Indians are coming in? Then you hear Bangladeshis are coming in, right? Which came from India, right? Because of the extremist Islamism risk. And that's something too, that America is just starting, despite 9/11, just starting to wake up to it. Because we don't have a huge Muslim population here, really, relative.

• 1:55:21Tom Ellsworth?

  You do in New York now.

• 1:55:23Speaker 03

  We have a growing, it's a growing population, no question about it.

• 1:55:26Tom Ellsworth?

  And Chris, Chris significantly, it's also an ink.

• 1:55:29Adam Sosnick?

  Uneven?

• 1:55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:30Adam Sosnick?

  That's your synopsis of Mumdani?

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  Uneven, because it's too early to see the policy failures, but his early reads, you know, kindness is not always really kindness, right? There's such a thing as tough love. You leave people out on the street who are not competent to make their own decisions, and then they die.

• 1:55:48Adam Sosnick?

  Ten of them.

• 1:55:48Speaker 03

  Because there's a storm, that's on you, brother. And it's one thing to say, "I'm not going to tell you how to live your life," as if they want to be on the street.

• 1:55:59Speaker 03

  Leadership often is not about the softest, the gentlest sell. But it's going to take time for his policies to be put into proper context versus what he was saying. But he's not off to a great start.

• 1:56:12Adam Sosnick?

  I see he's asking for money. Are you prepared to donate to Mumdani's administration?

• 1:56:15Speaker 03

  And I don't live in New York City.

• 1:56:17Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. So you're good. If you did?

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  I would have a much higher tax rate.

• 1:56:20Adam Sosnick?

  Would you donate to Mumdani?

• 1:56:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:56:22Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:56:23Speaker 03

  I don't believe in what he's about. I do believe in the affordability, in cost of living, whatever you want to call it. I would love to cover that all the time. I wish the algorithms were trained to reward members of Congress and influencers for talking about healthcare costs, and why it's so expensive, and why we need the ACA subsidies in the first place. But you don't need what comes along with it, with him, to get those policies.

• 1:56:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me do this, since you're talking about that. By the way, breaking news, we'll get to it here in a minute. Luigi Mangioli will not face death penalty judge rules. We'll talk about that here in a second. This literally just happened right now. Right. But prior to going into that, while you're talking about this, in regards to Mumdani, did you see the clip of him getting up and saying, "Hey, we need $12 billion," and I don't know, you saw that clip? Can we play that clip since we're on Mumdani right now? That wasn't one of the topics, but I think it's timely. So here's Mumdani, apparently taxes wasn't supposed to be raised for the average New Yorker, and then all of a sudden, this is what happened. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:57:24Patrick Bet-David?

  We can't hear it, guys. Can you start from the beginning, please? Is in a difficult position. Guys, start from the beginning. I still can't hear anything. City is in a difficult. There you go. Thank you. We are also seeing a moment where

• 1:57:38Patrick Bet-David?

  the gross fiscal mismanagement has left New Yorkers with a bill the likes of which we have not seen in many, many years. And we have seen in the politics of the past that in moments such as these, we ask those with the least to bear the greatest burden. And we know that here in the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, that we can not only put our city back on firmer financial footing, but also build a stronger city for everyone. If the top 1% of New Yorkers pay an additional 2% in income taxes. Recently, I actually had a New Yorker turn to me and self identify as someone who would be taxed by this proposal.

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Self identify.

• 1:58:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it true that you want to raise taxes on me? And I said, it is true. And they said, well, I would leave. I said, I don't think you would. They said, why not? I said, because we're looking to raise income taxes on the top 1% by 2%. So for a million dollars a year, that's an increase of $20,000 in taxes. And when I told them the amount, they realized that it wasn't enough to actually make them change where they would. I did not see this.

• 1:58:40Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:58:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Please raise taxes more. Why don't you do 20% on these guys making a million bucks? So I know you voted for this guy because you don't like his opponent. He was going up against this guy. This other guy named Drew.

• 1:58:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. I judge people on looks.

• 1:58:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about what he just said?

• 1:58:56Adam Sosnick?

  He's better looking than his brother.

• 1:58:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about what he just said?

• 1:58:59Speaker 03

  Um, I look, here's what I think, okay? And I know people are gonna get upset and they're gonna come after me. Knock yourself out. He is way over his head. Okay? We've never seen the like, no, you've never seen the likes of this. Because you've never been involved in elected office. You've never led. You've never understood. You're a kid and you're an inexperienced kid. So it's new to you. It's not new to New York City and it's not a new challenge to anybody who runs a major municipality. You can say the numbers aren't impressive to the top, but that's not the way they're going to hear it. Uh, and it is a very popular in New York City right now, if not in New York State, if not in the country, to go after the top.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  So he is playing to a popular political trope, which is kill the rich and tax them. I don't care if he taxes them because I don't live in New York City. But the idea that he knows what to do. Here's the problem with taxing me two cents more. What are you going to do with it? Where's the money going? How efficient are you? How responsible are you? How aligned are you with what I think matters? He doesn't check any of those boxes for these guys.

• 2:00:12Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean? He's never had like a big boy job or he's never run a company? What are you trying to say?

• 2:00:16Speaker 02

  No, no. Chris, saying serious. Chris, saying serious. Last week, he announced in front of a camera. New York is staying a sanctuary city. And if all the kids are going to come and eat and go to school and everything for free. That's where that two cents.

• 2:00:27Speaker 03

  Child, that's right.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  That's where that's going to go.

• 2:00:28Speaker 03

  And that's why they don't want to give it. So it's not like the rich are pigs.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:00:32Speaker 03

  Right? I'll give you the money. I'll give you the money. If you, if you want the money from me, but let me know what it's for. And let me feel good about it and know that you can get it done. He doesn't check any of those boxes.

• 2:00:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you hearing a lot of rich people that you know leaving? Are you hearing Exodus?

• 2:00:50Speaker 03

  I am. So some of that happened already. Okay. Uh, because of him, not a wave like I've, I've seen.

• 2:00:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Covid.

• 2:01:00Speaker 03

  Already Covid.

• 2:01:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:01Speaker 03

  Um, but, uh, and there are a lot of people came out to where I live. Uh, also, you know, they moved out.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Your area blew up.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, you know.

• 2:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, for sure. I love that area, yeah.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  So, and the infrastructure is not set up for it. That's what we have.

• 2:01:12Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not set up or it is?

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  No way.

• 2:01:14Patrick Bet-David?

  The traffic is bad.

• 2:01:15Speaker 03

  Traffic, plumbing, everything. First responders and see it's a challenge. Uh, but, look. He is on course to take New York City in a terrible direction. Um, leadership, policies, execution. And I haven't even built in the thing that matters most yet. Crisis. You think ten dead homeless people is a crisis. You have ICE come to New York and try to do an operation. And he doesn't get some better brain around him who says, "You're not Jacob Fry. This is not Minneapolis. You better work with these guys and do it now. If they come here hard and heavy, you could have bloodshed in the streets of New York that he will not be able to control.

• 2:02:00Speaker 03

  And there's a 50/50 chance he'll say something so effing stupid in that moment that you'll have no leadership. It's scary to me. And I know people don't like that. And they'll say it's because I'm Islamophobic. No, I'm worried for Muslims. Because I don't want them to be judged by a guy who has a tendency towards extreme Islamism. It's not fair to them that they have to own him now. I'm worried for them.

• 2:02:24Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, while you're talking about this, I want to show a clip again of your good friend Kara Swisher. If you want to pull this up, of Kara on with, what's his name, Rokana, who we had him here on the podcast. Watch this clip. Okay, folks, I just want you to listen to this.

• 2:02:43Speaker 03

  Rokana could be Speaker of the House.

• 2:02:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And tell me how you feel about, she's saying something about taxes in California, and look at the way she talks about it. Go ahead, tell me if this is, tell me if somebody's watching this. Let's just say you're watching this. You're a job creator. You work your tail off. You have days that you go without sleeping at all. If not, you have weeks where you go three hours a night, every night, seven straight days. As a business owner, you're losing money, you're losing, all this stuff that's happening. You tell me, if people in this state thought of you this way, would you want to move your business to California? Go ahead and play the clip.

• 2:03:20Adam Sosnick?

  And I think what it is, it specifically targets this, I got 100 people, I think it is, who are threatening to leave California, except for Jensen Huang, who's apparently staying. I have two minds of this. One is, you made your, and I said it to one this weekend. I said, "You made all your money in California, you ingrateful piece of shit. You could figure out a way to get, pay more taxes and you, we deserve the taxes from you, given you made your wealth here." The second thing is, yes, there are different ways to do this, but the length of time it would take and the kind of vehemence you would fight, whatever happens, means nothing would happen. So why don't we just do shock and awe at this point? Because you don't seem to be, you know, availing yourself to thinking that you owe your state something more.

• 2:04:07Adam Sosnick?

  Which they don't, which they don't think that at all.

• 2:04:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  They don't. They think that the, that there's waste and that there's abuse. And there is some waste. I'm not going to say everything we've been spending is perfect, but the point is you have a real crisis here.

• 2:04:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Would, would, would you, business owners watching this, the ungrateful business owners that risk it all to create jobs in any economy, which by the way, these ungrateful business people, Kara Swisher doesn't understand, any other economy would welcome them. Nashville would welcome them. Brentwood would welcome them. Franklin would. I think Arizona may, Nevada would, Texas would, Dallas definitely would, Austin would, Florida would. A lot of people would. Why the hell would anybody want to go to California when they look at you the way that they look at you? That they own you. That they own you. Tom, how do you process this when you hear the way Kara's explaining

• 2:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  on, you know, these, this entitled pieces of, you know, the way she described it? How do you view this message from her?

• 2:05:13Tom Ellsworth?

  This is the evolution of Kara Swisher that disappoints me that I don't really understand where it's coming from unless she just felt that there's a highly profitable lane there and this is the differentiated market. This is a woman who was a tremendous analyst with Walt Mossberg. I used to look forward to their breakdowns and analysis of what was going on with startups and with companies. They called Apple out when they thought products were not, you know, optimal or decisions were not there. But it was very, very straight up and it celebrated technology and it celebrated the things that happened. And now all of a sudden, on the other side, you know, the, the, the, the post 40 Kara Swisher suddenly is

• 2:05:57Tom Ellsworth?

  like this, this socialist champion that is ignoring the risk. She knows about the risk. She covered the amount of venture investment. She covered venture investment path that went bad, where pension money and other money that was in venture funds went after some company, invested in it and it became a smoking crater, you know?

• 2:06:18Speaker 03

  She sounds like a bitter woman who lost an opportunity and she had a chance somewhere to make a lot of money. I just sense bitterness and it's so unattractive.

• 2:06:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I sense it too. And also with liberals, I'm also confused by the lack of math, Pat. I won't go too deep into it, but yesterday, Pat and I saw Eric Adams and we asked him something and he pointed out that I believe the answer was an $8 billion reserve. I think that's the number. And the reserve, if I'm interpreting what he was saying correctly, would have been an account and money that was unspent that was available to the budget of New York City. Well, have you ever trusted a mayor that comes up and says that the problem is this number? Doesn't it always end up ending up being bigger and bigger and bigger? Because nobody, you covered this in the media, Chris, nobody wants to tell you the full

• 2:07:06Tom Ellsworth?

  number. The real number from Mondami right now is 20 billion because it's 12 billion he's willing to talk about today and 8 billion that was in a reserve account. When you put those together, it's at least 20.

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  You're assuming he even knows the number.

• 2:07:23Tom Ellsworth?

  That's my next point is that they come back correcting it. But that's, and so her coming up with numbers, what's another percent, what's this, you know, and Mondami, it's like liberals have lost the spreadsheet because the narrative is just like go after the wrist.

• 2:07:39Speaker 03

  But also, there's a pendular move in profile, right? The left is now inhabiting the populist angst, the outrage, the disruption, the institutions failed us, the government failed us, it doesn't work. They have that now.

• 2:07:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Tune in on Instagram this morning to find out what your supposed parties are.

• 2:08:00Speaker 03

  So you had MAGA on this side, disenfranchised, disaffected. Now you have what I call mega because they're actually a bigger group who are now using the populist outrage and the president is trying to navigate that, right? Because he's like, wait, no, this is my vibe. How do I get back in front of this? What's good, what's bad? Swisher, though, is a perfect messenger for that because she has a harshness to her that is hardwired. This is someone who had an interview with me, okay, that I, you know, I did at the time because I was like, I'm not afraid of any questions. And they're like, oh, Kara Swisher is going to take you apart. I said, okay, let's do it. And she told me, and means it, and her brother confirmed this to me, okay? He invited me to Christmas Eve dinner, by the way.

• 2:08:44Speaker 03

  She would not have helped her brother if he was in the situation that my brother was. Because it would have conflicted with her journalistic duties. Wow. And she had to stay impartial. To your brother? No. Having his ass in a sling? Yeah. It's one thing, I'm not saying I, she said she wouldn't use her contacts. She wouldn't manipulate her platform to help him. I never did any of those things. I never, I never had to. So, that's who she is. Think about that. I wouldn't have helped my own brother if it would have compromised what I see as my journalistic ethics.

• 2:09:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Are you open to a comment?

• 2:09:21Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:09:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Says, someone who you don't always get along with, if ever. Ann Coulter said that in the, in that, "The religion of liberalism becomes fanaticism, and then that becomes your religion and your flag, leaving behind even your family." And I'm paraphrasing Ann, but I think she's right.

• 2:09:38Speaker 03

  I get where she's saying. She's super smart. I've never had a bad relationship with Ann in my life.

• 2:09:43Tom Ellsworth?

  You've gone at me a lot.

• 2:09:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's, that's the business.

• 2:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I tell you guys something? You know what was, when, what was my number one reason? For when everybody said, "I cannot believe you brought Cuomo on." We lost a lot of people when we announced Cuomo. Don't forget that. We got a lot of criticism when we, when we... It was non-stop, "He cannot believe you..." Till today, we still get the messages, it's toned down a little bit. When I see a brother back up a brother, to me, it says, "Parents raised that family very well." That's where it stops. When I saw that, that's values, that's principles, that's very, very important to me when I see a brother defend a brother the way it happened. Politically, at the time, whatever, set all the other stuff aside. Covid, all the stuff you said, craziness.

• 2:10:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Set the stuff aside, the values. That part, I, I can't, I can't understand the Kara Swisher thing. I want to go to three more stories before we wrap up, and I only got a few minutes. Let me get to the next one. Rob, Luigi Mangione, this story just came in. Chris, I'm gonna come to you first, then Adam, I'm coming to you next. Okay. So Luigi Mangione, Rob, you just texted it to me. U.S. District Judge in New York ruled that federal prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione for the 2024 killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Judge Margaret Garner dismissed the federal murder charge, determining it was technically

• 2:11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  flawed because the underlying stalking charges did not meet the legal definition of a crime of violence. Chris, for people that may disagree with this, what do you say to them?

• 2:11:22Speaker 03

  I understand why you disagree, and I hate the message that it sends, and I think the prosecutor screwed up. And did the judge have to make this ruling? No, but it was close to her having to make it. Why? Because the way the law works is the reason you get the death penalty, remember, in the law, the death penalty is a very, very, very high standard, okay? And you need to have violent felonies underneath. They said, yeah, stalking is violent. That's not the way the stalking is perceived, especially when there's been no contact prior. So I think they forced her hand a little bit, but I get why you don't like it, because it sends a terrible message.

• 2:12:05Speaker 03

  If this isn't murder, what is? And I don't like it. I don't like this kid. I hate that he's Italian. I hate that people say that he's handsome. I hate that he's raised all this money. I hate that people argue the other side of it. To what you said about Don Lemon, to me, Mangione is that times a million in terms of the message.

• 2:12:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Chris, can you comment on how New York State is more limited on what will get you the capital punishment in the first place?

• 2:12:33Speaker 03

  Well, it's federal.

• 2:12:34Tom Ellsworth?

  When compared to Florida?

• 2:12:34Speaker 03

  It's federal, though.

• 2:12:35Tom Ellsworth?

  When compared to Texas?

• 2:12:36Speaker 03

  It's federal. It's not state. It's federal. If it were a state case, New York would still be tricky, but Florida, I mean, he would have been dead as soon as they caught him in Florida. But federal law applies the same in all states.

• 2:12:50Adam Sosnick?

  Apparently this judge, I sent you a picture of her, Margaret Garnett. She was a liberal judge appointed by Biden. And it just goes that everything's political at this point. Everything is so politicized that the most unique person in this world, in this country at this point, is someone who's fair and balanced. You know, Fox says they're fair and balanced. Yeah, okay. You know, CNN certainly is not. MSNBC, which had to change their name to MS Now, I believe. We know, where are people getting independent, non-political viewpoints at this point? Here's just the latest example of a liberal judge that's just siding with, look, who was you appointed by, bottom right?

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• 2:14:32Adam Sosnick?

  Joe Biden. Joe Biden. So they say that, you know, the Justice Department is weaponized or politicized. Here's just another example. It's pretty clear. Biblical, I'm not the biggest Bible guy, but you know, eye for an eye. You kill somebody in cold blood, it's you? You're gone. You're gone. Death penalty, that should be just point blank. That's my opinion.

• 2:14:56Speaker 03

  Sometimes they screw up the case, though. Casey Anthony here in Florida.

• 2:14:59Adam Sosnick?

  Casey Anthony, exactly.

• 2:15:00Speaker 03

  Very strong, overreached, went for the death penalty.

• 2:15:02Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 2:15:04Speaker 03

  She winds up getting acquitted.

• 2:15:05Adam Sosnick?

  Yup.

• 2:15:06Speaker 03

  Why? They went for too much. I think these guys did the same thing. They did it the wrong way. And they gave this judge an opportunity to make a ruling that I don't think will be overturned on appeal.

• 2:15:15Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think should happen to Mangione? Forget about the fact that he's Italian, just from a lawyer's standpoint. He's, do you think he did it?

• 2:15:21Speaker 03

  He's the worst. Of course he did.

• 2:15:22Adam Sosnick?

  Of course he did, right?

• 2:15:23Speaker 03

  He did it. He wanted to do it. He planned it. He did it for bad reason, and he's a bad guy.

• 2:15:28Adam Sosnick?

  But he's a hero on the left. There's women lining up.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Well, that's the, that's the worst.

• 2:15:31Adam Sosnick?

  There's a story of some guy dressed up as a CIA agent.

• 2:15:33Speaker 02

  No, today, well, that's a great, I was gonna, I was gonna do this.

• 2:15:35Adam Sosnick?

  But what do you think should happen to him? If not the death penalty?

• 2:15:38Speaker 03

  Well, he's gonna get convicted and they're gonna give him life in prison.

• 2:15:41Adam Sosnick?

  So then he gets to go sell books and be a hero to the left?

• 2:15:43Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:15:44Speaker 02

  No, hell no. We're gonna pay for him to be alive for it.

• 2:15:46Speaker 03

  Well, you're gonna pay for him to be alive, right. That's life without parole.

• 2:15:49Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean, no? He's not gonna write a book?

• 2:15:50Speaker 03

  No, because you have the, um, the Son of Sam law. You can't make money off your crime.

• 2:15:56Adam Sosnick?

  Well, good.

• 2:15:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm making a great point.

• 2:15:59Speaker 03

  David Berkowitz.

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  A 36-year-old named Mark Anderson, I will tell you where he's from, went all the way cross-country to Metropolitan Detention Center. He claimed he was an FBI agent. He told the prison staff he had an order to release Luigi Mangione. They asked for his credentials. Guess where his license went? Guess where he's from? You're never gonna guess.

• 2:16:18Speaker 03

  Minnesota.

• 2:16:19Adam Sosnick?

  Somalia. Oh, Minnesota.

• 2:16:20Speaker 02

  Same thing. He's from Minnesota, and they searched his bag. They found a barbecue fork and something that looked like a pizza cutter. He went all the way there with a pizza cutter as if they were gonna have pizza after he got him out of the fort.

• 2:16:31Adam Sosnick?

  What was he trying to do exactly?

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  Really, uh, you know what I mean? To get him out of jail, to break him out of prison.

• 2:16:34Speaker 03

  But he's, but he's nuts.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  He's a crazy person, you know? I mean...

• 2:16:37Adam Sosnick?

  So a crazy person from Minnesota?

• 2:16:40Speaker 03

  No way!

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  You're never gonna believe it.

• 2:16:41Speaker 03

  Tom, do you have anything on this, or no?

• 2:16:43Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 2:16:43Speaker 03

  Okay, so I, I, uh, two days ago, I had a one-hour call with his three lawyers, uh, Luigi's lawyers. Luigi wrote me a two-page-long letter that was written in August that I received.

• 2:17:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Two days before Christmas? Yeah. Did you say, or even a day before Christmas? Something like that. And it was interesting because when he came out with the 27 points, one of the things he wrote on the 27 points when my phone blew up is Luigi Mangione is reading your next five moves in prison and other inmates were reading your next five moves as well in jail. So this is kind of how the exchange is going. So I'm talking to the lawyer and yeah, that one right there, I think it was point seven or eight or nine or one of them. There you go, point seven, your next five moves, yeah. So to me, you know, you know what I was asking the lawyers? And who knows, maybe we'll do something together to go even deeper because one, the lawyers that's there,

• 2:17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  she's also a content creator and she gets a lot of eyeballs. She's with Midas Touch and she does a very good job. She's a talent and obviously to be a lawyer for someone like this, you have to be very, very good at what you do. All I want to know is, how does this happen? How do you go from a guy that has a trajectory of getting to where he could have gone in life? Being a good citizen, make good money, create jobs, get married, have kids, do all the stuff that he wants to do, to all of a sudden get to this point? I want to know where this led to this. So because if we don't, how many other Luigi's are there that we have to know?

• 2:18:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That if we don't see patterns, we can't prevent, right? When I'm talking to these lawyers, I'm telling them how I was at 18 years old. If you judged me on where I was going to be in life, you would have never said I'm going to be here, ever. None of my friends would have ever said I'm going to be here. Someone got ahold of me. Whether it was a couple of my drill sergeants, whether it was Drill Sergeant Green or Drill Sergeant Purtle or First Sergeant Ward or Lieutenant Colonel P. Cox or Lieutenant Off or Sergeant Braxton or all of these guys, these friendships, the influences, the Pastor Dudley Rutherford, the Rich Dollys, these men who got ahold of you who said, hey, you can do better, the Brian Hefflin, the Cisco Davises.

• 2:19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  These are men who get ahold of a young man who doesn't have a sense of direction to say, what are you doing? And flip it also on the other side. You know why my concern, the same thing when I brought up the Don Lemon and you said you're more here than you're on the Don Lemon side? Dude, we gotta prevent this thing before it gets to the next level. Twenty of us went to watch Joker when it came out. I'm a big Joaquin Phoenix guy and I wanna watch the movie. Forty-three minutes into the movie, I look at you and I said, "There's no way I can watch this movie." "There's no way I can watch this movie. This is horrible." "This movie is inspiring you to go kill the billionaire." Yep. "That's the movie." "You don't think five kids are gonna say, 'Fuck, you know, let me go kill him and F these guys.'"

• 2:19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  "You don't think, all you need is five kids to watch Joker. You don't think these movies are gonna have that kind of an impact?" "And how big of a movie was it? Of course Joaquin Phoenix crushed it in the movie, of course." "And who was the, the bad guy? Was it Robert De Niro? Who was the guy that he kills?" Robert De Niro was the late night host. Yeah. And so, so you watch this and you say, "How does this happen?" "I'm interested in what gets somebody to that point and what can we do to prevent that from happening at a large scale." Kai Manex me, uh, uh, does a Zoom with me yesterday. He said something very interesting. Twenty-two, twenty-three-year-old content creator, very talented. He says, "You know what I miss?" I said, "What do you miss?"

• 2:20:38Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, "For seven or eight years when I was a young boy, "I watched every one of your Motivation Monday videos in your car. I watched every one of your "videos about what it is to be a young man, or this, or content creator, and all this other stuff." He says, "America doesn't have a, you know, people that they watch on how plays a role of a father." Says, "A lot of young men need that messaging today in a big way." Right before jumping on here, we're talking, uh, uh, Chris and I are talking about your son and, you know, I'm not gonna say publicly, but what decisions he's making, what he wants to do with his career. Good-looking guy, you know, he's doing what he's doing and "family, the conversation. There's nothing like family." "But there's also nothing like..."

• 2:21:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Influencing someone else that's maybe not your family to prevent them to do something dumb. I'm willing to bet the guy was this close of just being a regular guy you would have met, you would have never thought about him. And I'm willing to bet there are tens of thousands of Luigi Mangione's that are this close to do something stupid. This close. And if we don't find a way to get a hold of these guys, we're gonna have a bunch of these cases happening. Bunch of these cases happening. So it's interesting. They chose to go this route, but again, we'll follow this case a little bit closer. I want to get to the next one here. Next story I want to go to is the Jerome Powell story, the federal, you know,

• 2:21:59Patrick Bet-David?

  the name that was announced this morning at 6 a.m. ish, give or take, President Trump, Calci, $96 million of wagers were made on Calci on who's gonna be the next Fed chair. Look at the volume on the bottom left, $97 million. Rob, how far back can you go on this? Is this all? So if you go to all, go a little bit lower, Rob, so we can see the names. It's it's been Kevin Warsh for quite a while. But if you can go a little bit higher, if you can go a little bit higher, who's the second one? Who's the blue and who's the black? Who's blue, Rob?

• 2:22:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, Judy Shelton is in at 1.8% and Rick Ryder.

• 2:22:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Rick Ryder was a was a was also one that was on the list. And look at it just a few days ago. Is black Rick Ryder?

• 2:22:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 2:22:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Pretty bad name, but so eventually ends up being Kevin Warsh as the guy. Tom, how do you feel about this announcement, this decision?

• 2:22:55Tom Ellsworth?

  So here's what's been going on. Uh, the president has been at verbal, um, uh, you know, debate, battle, war, whatever. Odds. Whatever odds with Jerome Powell for since since before he won the election, talking about interest rates and talking about things like this.

• 2:23:16Tom Ellsworth?

  And everyone thought that Kevin Hassett, who was serving in the White House, was gonna be the guy. And so he was up there first. And then all of a sudden,

• 2:23:29Tom Ellsworth?

  many people, including me, think Kevin Hassett maybe sounded a little too measured in public. Because Trump clearly wants somebody to run the Fed that aligns with him and Scott Bessett on interest rates, specifically with the President. And so Kevin Warsh's name came up. And then Kevin Warsh was like the leading candidate for a while. And then over the last three weeks, there was a little bit of shift that happened. Rick Ryder's name came up at the same time the President said, "I think Kevin Hassett should stay in the White House. He's doing a fine job." Instantly, everybody says, "Okay, well, that's it. Hassett is absolutely off the list." Because the President complimented him and said, "I want him to stay in the White

• 2:24:09Tom Ellsworth?

  House." But then the President said positive things about Rick Ryder. And then some leaks came out from the administration, from the Cabinet, that said the President is very,

• 2:24:23Tom Ellsworth?

  encouraged by recent interview he had with Rick Ryder. So people were thinking, "That's it." Well, the President now has a two-horse race. He's got Rick Ryder, who wants the job, and Worsch, who wants the job. Well, guess what happened? I think what happened is he had a conversation with the two of them about policy alignment. And I think Worsch was more aligned with the President. So the President felt that he would be following him more and pick Worsch. Historically, the head of the Fed has usually been someone that even the most partisan Presidents have felt needs to be balanced, can't be quick turning knobs at

• 2:25:04Tom Ellsworth?

  the Fed. And what has happened here, I think Worsch is going to be more likely to give us a half a point cut before June. No cuts were going to happen here in January at the Fed meeting. There's a 0% chance of that, according to Calci and others that are speaking. And Kevin Warsh is going to be our new head of the Fed and is probably going to give us quarter-point in two of the next four Fed meetings going through June and that's

• 2:25:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, why are some people saying they're surprised by this because this guy's known for, you know, wanting to raise the rates or keeping it consistent? He's not really known for being a guy that was going to lower the rates.

• 2:25:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I, I think what has happened is in the last two interviews, remember President had interviews. And in the last two interviews, something happened. And the president and all of his discussions on Powell has wanted the Fed to follow him, even though that they're looking at unemployment, inflation and all these other things. The, the president's been speaking since before he was reelected for that. And so I think what has happened here is worse, even though he's had his historical quantitative stances. And I call what you just said, Pat, is very accurate, but those have been quantitative stances. This plus this plus this means it's too salty, so I'm going to add more, um, more water

• 2:26:29Tom Ellsworth?

  to reduce the saltiness of the soup. That's a technical answer. And I think he met with the president and the president's like, I want to do this for the American people. I want to do this with Fannie and Freddie. I want to do this for our economic policy. Can I count on you? I think that's what happened.

• 2:26:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, what's your technical analysis on this?

• 2:26:47Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead, Vin.

• 2:26:47Speaker 02

  I concur with everything that Tom just said.

• 2:26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, where are you at with this?

• 2:26:50Adam Sosnick?

  I'll just summarize this real quick. I won't go long. Uh, Jerome Powell, thank you for playing. You've been here for eight years, I believe, appointed by Trump, renominated by Biden. I believe the last day of his term is going to be February 4th. My birthday, shout out for you. Here's two things I guarantee you happened. He met with Scott Besant, who's the Treasury Secretary. He said, are you guys aligned? We're going to do this. Last but not least, uh, I'm Donald Trump. I'm the president. I'm going to nominate you. We're going to be cutting interest rates real quick, aren't we, sir? Yes, sir. Okay, boom, you have the job. Boom, done. That's what's going to happen.

• 2:27:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That didn't work last time. So did Jerome Powell end up listening to him? Jerome Powell did what Jerome Powell's gonna. This is not a job where they listen to him.

• 2:27:32Adam Sosnick?

  The difference is-

• 2:27:33Patrick Bet-David?

  This isn't a-

• 2:27:34Adam Sosnick?

  The difference is Trump didn't know, so his words exactly, didn't know what the hell he was doing last time, admitted by Eric Trump and by Don Jr., uh, Don Jr., Trump knows exactly what he's doing at this point.

• 2:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 2:27:45Adam Sosnick?

  And I think Scott Besson knows exactly what he's doing.

• 2:27:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we saw Scott yesterday.

• 2:27:48Adam Sosnick?

  And you don't think they had a conversation? They said, here's what our agenda is. We're gonna need you, buddy.

• 2:27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree that Scott is involved in this decision. I agree that Scott, to me, is the top two. I put him on top. He's top two for me. MVP.

• 2:28:02Adam Sosnick?

  Besson.

• 2:28:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, to me-

• 2:28:04Adam Sosnick?

  He's been great.

• 2:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I, I put Rubio one, I put Besson two. I, I love what-

• 2:28:08Adam Sosnick?

  What next up there?

• 2:28:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm with you right there, man.

• 2:28:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I, I would, I would put those two there. Of course, it's gonna be different for, uh, Chris, for you. But what, what do you think about this? What do you think about this choice?

• 2:28:16Speaker 03

  President gets what he wants, and he's just more obvious about making it that way. That I want the guy to agree with me. You know, usually, uh, presidents don't say it that way. Why? They want the patina of objectivity. Um, that this person's gonna go in there and do what's good based on the data and the commission, not just my politics. This president is different. He wants a yes man, and he's got one.

• 2:28:40Adam Sosnick?

  Well, can I ask you a question? Let's say you're the, you're the CEO, founder of ValueTainment, Beddavid Consulting, Lion Holdings. You created this thing, right? You put C-suite executives in place. If you're gonna hire, essentially, your CFO, and you're gonna say, this is what we stand for, this is what we do, these are the principles, and we need you aligned, are you gonna go ahead and do the exact opposite of what I want you to do? Like, what would you solve for if you were hiring this person?

• 2:29:04Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not how this position works. That's not how this-

• 2:29:07Adam Sosnick?

  But I wanna know at ValueTainment, how it would work.

• 2:29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's not how this position works, right? Like, who gave Amy Coney Barrett the position?

• 2:29:14Adam Sosnick?

  Trump.

• 2:29:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Is, is she a pro-Trumper?

• 2:29:17Adam Sosnick?

  No, she's a conservative.

• 2:29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  No, she's not a pro-Trumper. It's, it's, she's not. And by the way, let me tell you, you wonder, one, out of all the things I talked about with Rand Paul, and we talked about a lot of different things, non-interventionists, Rubio, you know, all this stuff, the, the one thing that stuck out with Rand Paul, which by the way is gonna be launching, uh, I don't know when we're gonna launch it, phenomenal conversation, is why does the president keep talking about Supreme Court not supporting the tariffs? I said, what do you think is gonna happen with the tariffs? He says, I actually think they're gonna rule against him. And I think he's gonna lose the ability to use tariffs without going through Congress, then through Senate. So I think if Supreme Court does the right thing, he's not, all the stuff that he's been doing with tariffs is gonna be gone.

• 2:30:00Adam Sosnick?

  Crazy.

• 2:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  That's Rand Paul saying this. Rand Paul saying this, what's the point and why? Who do you think on there is not gonna be on his side? If you were willing to bet which one of the Supreme Court justices is gonna be against Trump, that's a conservative, who is that?

• 2:30:15Adam Sosnick?

  Her.

• 2:30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Her!

• 2:30:17Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 2:30:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course she's gonna be on that list. So to me, I don't think this is a job, like you know how we would defend Jerome Powell? Even though Jerome Powell was appointed by him, we're like, I actually don't mind what he's doing, like, you know, pump the brakes before, lower, lower, lower, lower, pump.

• 2:30:31Adam Sosnick?

  Independence of the.

• 2:30:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, pump, and by the way, this is the first time in the economy where you're actually able to see the knob, like, gold went to 55, finally makes sense why it went to 55. Dollar devalue a little bit, Bitcoins not move in. You're finally able to be a little bit more using predictive analytics because the part of that I give credit to Jerome Powell. I give credit to Jerome for not all of a sudden saying, let me listen to this. And I think this guy's gonna do the same. I think six, 12 months later, he's gonna do the same.

• 2:31:00Adam Sosnick?

  You don't think he's gonna be aligned with Trump, like?

• 2:31:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't think after 12 months, he's not going to be.

• 2:31:05Adam Sosnick?

  You don't think they have those conversations?

• 2:31:07Patrick Bet-David?

  These jobs you hire works that way.

• 2:31:09Speaker 03

  Well, this one, he's right, right? Because it's, it's, the guy's in there for a long time.

• 2:31:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't think these jobs work that way. I don't.

• 2:31:16Adam Sosnick?

  Four-year terms, I believe?

• 2:31:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't think these jobs, I, I think this to me is the same kind of a hire as Supreme Court. You don't get to hire a Supreme Court and tell them, you better do this. It's not how the system works. That's why it works, by the way. That's why it works, so. Yes, great, I think for me, this announcement being made was a little bit of a bigger announcement. I think there's a lot of noise. Yesterday I was at, uh, uh, uh, with, uh, uh, the first lady and and all the folks watching Melania, uh, what do you call it? The new show with Amazon.

• 2:31:46Adam Sosnick?

  The movie?

• 2:31:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, everyone's seen the numbers, everyone knows the reports, how it did opening weekend, the dollar 75, I've watched everything, all the negative, only one seat was sold in London, you know, theaters. I've read it all. So before I even give you my thoughts on this. I want you to know, as somebody that follows stories, I know what's going on as well. But let me tell you what happened with the documentary. The first hour of the documentary is somewhat slow. If you're a woman and you love, like I think, you know, somebody who was into fashion, design details, I think you're gonna like it. Am I gonna have my wife and my daughter watch it? 100%. But the second hour, I'm gonna have my son watch it. And for a completely different reason.

• 2:32:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Because in the second hour, what the documentary actually did, it highlighted what that two-week process was when they won, preparing for inauguration, January 20th. Couple of live, unscripted moments with the president that I don't even know if the president, of course, he approved it, but I don't even know if it were things that you would want to have it be in there. Right? I don't know if you would want it to...

• 2:33:00Adam Sosnick?

  Is this 2016 or 2024?

• 2:33:02Patrick Bet-David?

  2024. 2024. But there's a couple of moments, like there was one moment where they're sitting there and you can tell he's furious. And it's a scene with them saying, "Well, why does inauguration fall on the same day as national championship? This has never happened before." So they did it on purpose. And he says, "Sir, I don't know. There's nothing I know about this." There's certain moments you have to watch while decisions are being made and him getting in. The, like, he couldn't wait to go in to do the job. Like, you're sitting there, they show at the end of the inauguration when he comes home, they're going to the room, it's 3 o'clock, he goes to his room, she goes to her room. I, I, I think, I think if anybody's not watched it, I do think, again, let me preface what I just said. Fellas,

• 2:33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  the first hour, you're probably gonna be playing, you know, Sudoku, or you're gonna play backgammon, or you're gonna be doing something else on your phone, you know, checking Twitter and all this stuff. The second half, I think folks who are interested in politics and wanna see a little bit of the behind the scenes with the president, I think you're gonna see that here with it. But yeah, yesterday when we were there talking to a lot of these folks about different conversations, I think this is an announcement that was made because if there's one thing that the president's very good at, is knowing when to drop a story to... Take attention away from another story.

• 2:34:26Adam Sosnick?

  To deflect.

• 2:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  There's been a lot of Kristi Noem, there's been a lot of, and we were at Kristi, we were supposed to do an hour podcast with Kristi yesterday, the, you know, White House shut it down that they're not doing any interviews right now. But there's, there's a lot of moving parts right now, what's going on over there, but so I think he did this, good timing, get the market to talk about it, to get away from the, the topic of discussion. But I do not think you hire somebody as a Fed chair and you're going to tell the guy what to do. I think you have a conversation, you and your team believe this is the guy, and you give him the job knowing you can't fire him. It's like he's got the job and he's going to do the job. Uh, let's go to the last story before we wrap up. Vinny, what was the story you wanted to get to Hillary Clinton and Tucker Carlson walk into the Saudi Arabia

• 2:35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, real estate forum. And let me say that one more time, when I read this at first, like I reacted thinking that was fake. Hillary Clinton and Tucker Carlson walk into a Saudi real estate forum. Uh, let me read this, and by the way, to, to the, the, the title there makes it seem like it's only the two of them that were there, there were other people there as well. Uh, it was rather hard to parse why Hillary Clinton, the former Democratic presidential candidate and Tucker Carlson. The contrarian, by, by the way, this is New York Times writing, the contrarian right wing commentator had been invited to speak at real estate conference in Saudi. Uh, neither had much to say about real estate, yet on Wednesday, they took the stage separately at a hotel ballroom in Riyadh, the capital of conservative Islamic kingdom, and here's what Tucker had to say, go ahead.

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• 2:37:06Speaker 01

  Of course, I'm American. But I think that Saudi Arabia is a fundamentally real country. It's an ancient country. It's the physical center of one of the largest religions in the world. And it is, of course, a force because of its resources and its diplomacy. So like, I'm glad to see a real country get treated like a real country, like an actual country, not just a client of some other country. So it's good. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people had some ideas about those things you've spoken about, the graciousness, the hospitality, the kindness, before they commented on it from afar? Because I think it's an experience which, once you've had, changes your perception I strongly agree with that. And I've taken a lot of abuse in my country for saying things like that out loud, and

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  for whatever it's worth, a pretty fervent Christian. And I feel completely comfortable here in the seat of Islam, not because... Right? And why is that? And just saying that is a threat somehow to some people who are propagandists and liars. But it's true, so I'm going to say it. And moreover, I think it points up like something that's really important about life, which is it's worth meeting people. People and seeing things before you try to assess them. Oh, that's a great life lesson. I wish more people understood that. I try not to talk about anything I haven't smelled. And I mean that, including people. Like, how do you really know? What you're doing is you are taking other people's word for something.

• 2:38:33Speaker 01

  Which, if it's, say, your wife or your children or someone you love is okay. But if it's like a propagandist you've never met who's trying to convince you to do something against your own interests.

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can pause it right there. Vinny. Hold on. I'm in the middle of smelling Tom. Easy, Joe Biden. Now you can talk about it. Tom, great body soap. I love it. But I want, I want to, what he just said, I hope everybody understands. He said, and I quote, "I'm, for whatever it's worth, a pretty fervent Christian, and I feel completely comfortable here in the seat of Islam in Saudi Arabia." By the way, Saudi Arabia bans Christianity from public life. Churches are illegal. Don't know if you guys know that. Converting to Christianity is punishable by death, and the country is ranked 13th in Open Doors list of 50 of the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. Now, okay, if you're Tucker Carlson, you're American, standing on stage,

• 2:39:25Speaker 02

  saying there how comfortable that you feel, I don't think it's courage. I think it's curation. Saudi Arabia doesn't invite people like Tucker to challenge them. I think it's there to polish their image. You know what I mean? Like, those future and real estate forums, they're not neutral spaces. They're tied to big money and state power. That's why Hillary Clinton was invited there. And it's just ironic, Tucker, you know, with all the stuff that Tucker's criticized, Israel and how they are and people paying and, and all that stuff. He's over there doing the same thing. So if you're gonna call it out on one side, you can't pretend that it's, you know, something else when you're in it and you're doing it. I'm curious to what, because I know he has a property, he said, where in Qatar. If he's gonna get a property there where Christianity is outlawed,

• 2:40:08Speaker 02

  even though he's a, you know, fervent Christian in a land in the seat of Islam. I'm just very curious. Cuomo. It's your boy.

• 2:40:17Speaker 03

  That's your boy. And I think that he is an interesting study in opportunity, in opportunism. And I think that when somebody is not really tied to any principle or philosophy except advantage, they're capable of anything. And you go to the place that you know exports the most dangerous form of extreme Islamism, where you know 9/11 would not have happened but for.

• 2:40:49Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 2:40:50Speaker 03

  And you pretend that it's something else. Why?

• 2:40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's what's going on with him?

• 2:40:55Speaker 03

  What else could it be? It cannot be based in anything rational. It can't. It is anathema to everything he says he's supposed to be about, depending on the day. You know, goes to where we started the podcast today, which is if you're just about tripping the algorithm and getting paid, you're gonna have very obvious choice structure. If he was still working somewhere, you think he's there saying that?

• 2:41:23Speaker 02

  No way.

• 2:41:23Speaker 03

  And is that censorship? No. If he's part of the PBD crew, wait, what are you gonna say when you go over there? Hold on. You're all about free speech, there's no question about it. It's one of my favorite things about you guys. But you'd be like, whoa, this is bad for us. What do you say? You know who you're sitting there with, right? But he doesn't. And that's part of the plus minus on independent media now. That you're independent, right, but is that always a good thing? Nope, is the answer.

• 2:41:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You said something, though. You said at the beginning that he could end up being a number one podcast passing Rogan.

• 2:41:53Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 2:41:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think Tucker's gonna be the number one podcast passing Rogan?

• 2:41:56Speaker 03

  I don't know if it is him, but he's certainly... Look, I mean, say what you want about Don Lemon. He's got more of a following online than he's ever had before. And that was before this. Now, forget it. You know, he may be in your guys' rare air. I think you're making him a martyr. But Tucker Carlson, absolutely.

• 2:42:16Speaker 03

  Why? Because this is what sells because by design, the platforms rewarded.

• 2:42:21Patrick Bet-David?

  How much has he changed from the time you went and did the show with him? You were on his podcast about a year and a half ago, right? 14 months ago. How much has he changed?

• 2:42:28Speaker 03

  Even that was very capricious. For him to sit across from me and say, "I was an asshole to you when I was at Fox, you know, because you were the guy at CNN and that's what we were told to do." You know, "I shouldn't have been for the war in Iraq. You know, I was conditioned by others." That's not too different for me from, you know, a demon came at me last night. I gotta tell you, it could have gone either way. But I escaped it, thank God. He is capable of anything. And I think that that's exciting for people and I think it's a little scary for people who worry about what people decide to follow. Adam?

• 2:43:03Adam Sosnick?

  I think Tucker Carlson is the exact opposite of Chris Cuomo because it's so easy. No, actually not two-faced. Actually not two-faced. Because the challenge with Tucker is he talks tough online. But then when you're in person with him, he's like, "Hey, how you doing, President of Iran? How are you doing Putin? How are you doing Nick Fuentes?" But when he gets home, oh boy, does he talk tough. So I think he's compromised. I've been saying that for a while. He wants to get there and smell what the rock is cooking. The more and more he keeps talking, the fishier he smells. Something's going on here.

• 2:43:43Adam Sosnick?

  Because what I appreciate about you is you call out both sides, but you're pretty firm in your convictions. At this point, I literally have no clue what Tucker's convictions are. But he's gonna go buy a property in Qatar because why? He's an American. Go buy a house in Detroit. Go buy a house in Louisiana. Don't go buy a house in Qatar because you're a proud American. Something's going on here with this guy. I'll let the public figure that out. Last point. Good for Saudi, opening up to the world. Saudi 20 years ago was right on par with Iran. I don't know which way. They're both. The Wahhabism, extremism. At this point, it's pretty clear who the bad guy is in the Middle East.

• 2:44:26Adam Sosnick?

  And it's Iran, Saudi is at least trying to open up to the world and respect to them on that.

• 2:44:30Speaker 02

  But to say that as a fervent Christian, as a passionate, like he's a deep Christian, to feel comfortable there in the seat of Islam where you know how they treat Christians, he's saying that Chris because he has security. They promised him security. Good luck. What is it? Is the message that more Christians?

• 2:44:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What would happen if I went to Saudi and I said what I wanted to say to them?

• 2:44:53Speaker 02

  About faith and you and what?

• 2:44:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, what would happen?

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  And then you're not in one of these forums where there's security out the wazoo?

• 2:44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What would happen?

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  Patrick, your wife is going to a funeral and you disappear. That's it. You're done. Bye.

• 2:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  It's not even a joke.

• 2:45:06Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I actually, I don't think he gets to that point in Saudi. I think it may get into that point in a different place, but I don't think I would be as safe as he is.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:45:16Patrick Bet-David?

  If you go there. But let me tell you what's going on behind closed doors. This is what I think is going on, okay? And it's funny because it's the end of the podcast, so few people are gonna see this. But I'm, whatever way we clip this, this is what I think is gonna happen in 27, 28. And you guys better follow this closely. My opinion. Ready? This is my opinion. I think under Trump administration, there's two camps. Two camps you're dealing with. I think there is the non-interventionist camp. And then there's the interventionist camp. And let me unpack that for you. I think there's gonna be a camp that's gonna be the Massey camp. Which the Massey camp is gonna be the Tucker, Candace.

• 2:46:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, all that, all those guys, they're gonna be a Massey camp. I don't know about Nick because he's, he changes a lot, so I don't know what that's gonna be, but say it's gonna be the Massey camp with that community. And there's a lot of people there. I think there's gonna be the JD camp, okay? And the JD camp is gonna be the Teal, the Musk's, the technology, the OpenAI, the Altman's. I think that's gonna be that camp. And I think there's gonna be a Rubio camp. And I think the Rubio camp are the guys that are watching to see a guy, like if you go in DC, Rubio has more.

• 2:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Respect and, uh, what do you call it? Uh, uh, pull. It's the word I'm looking for.

• 2:46:46Speaker 03

  Influence?

• 2:46:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Influence. I think he's got way more influence. A lot more what?

• 2:46:49Speaker 03

  A lot more gravitas.

• 2:46:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He does. He does over there. But here's the problem. This is part of a conversation that we were having yesterday as well with a few different people that were there. Is, the feeling I'm getting is Vance, you know, maybe weaker in the general, but he'll be stronger in the primary. And Rubio will be stronger in the general, but he won't make it past the primary. Because Vance has TPUSA, Vance has the youth, Vance has all these guys. And when it comes down to it, the Massey community has to go somewhere. Where they're going to go, who knows? They're gonna talk, they're gonna talk, they're gonna talk, they're gonna talk, they're gonna talk.

• 2:47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And then eventually, when it comes down to Newsom versus somebody else, you're either gonna sit it out or you're gonna support somebody. So I think whatever Tucker is doing, it's all leading to 27, 28. I think 2020 is the most important presidential election we've had in 12 years. From 20, going back to 2050. Cause Stephen Colbert yesterday said he may run for office. It's gonna be wide open with the people that are gonna get into it.

• 2:47:57Speaker 03

  Should not be Newsom, by the way. The way the Democratic Party is trending, subject to what leadership it has, because it will not have the leadership it has today, uh, in the presidential cycle, my, uh, prediction. Uh, they're looking for their own disruptor. I don't know how Newsom checks that box. I mean, he could be as obnoxious as he wants on social media. He's an animal of the system.

• 2:48:18Patrick Bet-David?

  He's got him at 75%.

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  He's up there, Chris.

• 2:48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Kelsey's got him at 75%, AOC's second. And then Pritzker's at like 2%, Stephen A's at 2%, Stewart's at 2%, a bunch of these guys are at 2%.

• 2:48:27Speaker 03

  I think it's someone that's not in that mix.

• 2:48:30Tom Ellsworth?

  You might be right, but I also think whoever hates Trump the most is gonna get the nominee.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  But their positioning.

• 2:48:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Depending on what happens in 27.

• 2:48:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, Newsom going to Davos and everything. Those are the macros. And once upon a time, um, a certain Bush did really good in the macros.

• 2:48:44Patrick Bet-David?

  140 million.

• 2:48:45Tom Ellsworth?

  And then, that's right. Then he went to Iowa. Oh, wow. Why can't he, why can't he pull? Then he went to New Hampshire. Then they went to South Carolina. And then all of a sudden, Super Tuesday came up and they're talking about the viability of his campaign. When the macros.

• 2:48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Very good point.

• 2:49:00Tom Ellsworth?

  When the macros at the beginning were, oh, this is Bush 3-0.

• 2:49:03Patrick Bet-David?

  One big difference. One big difference. Jeb Bush is not a stage guy. George Bush is a state guy. Newsom is a stage guy. Oh, yeah. If there is one of the best interviews that was done on Trump is the one that people talk about the least is the one Lex Friedman did. President said something on Lex Friedman that was so powerful. I think it was Lex Friedman. If I got it wrong, I want to give credit to whoever did it, but I want to give credit to Lex because he did a very good job. He says, Lex, I got a lot of friends that are billionaires. What do you think is just billionaire that becomes a president? You have to learn how to speak from stage. If you don't know how to speak from stage, you are not going to become president. Mike Bloomberg. Yeah, so Mike Bloomberg is the other one, yes. All right, anyways, by the way, one of my favorite podcasts we've done, we had so many

• 2:49:46Patrick Bet-David?

  different stories, it was great, and it was bantered, there was exchange, there was disagreement, which is always good to do. Chris, thank you for this cigar. Always good seeing you. Excited to see what your son ends up doing because I think my oldest wants to go the same route as your son wants to go to. And he just told that that's about six months ago, which was kind of a surprise to all of us. So we'll see if he's going to change his mind. Interesting. Or not. Gang, everybody out there, God bless, have a great weekend. Oh, this is Rand Paul's, Rob, how long is the intro?

• 2:50:13Adam Sosnick?

  About 1:30.

• 2:50:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that's too long, Rob. So here's all we'll do, because I got to go out there, we got to make that decision on the, you know what I'm talking about, the new podcast set. Rand Paul's going to come out in the next couple of days, I don't know when it is. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal conversation. Stay tuned, it's most likely going to be tomorrow morning. God bless everybody, have a great weekend. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:50:36Patrick Bet-David?

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