Finding Your Why with Jordan Chiles

Two-time Olympian and world champ Jordan Chiles flips the script in an empowering and playful convo with Keke. She opens up about how she found her voice and released her trauma through her memoir 'I’m That Girl'. They talk sisterhood with Simone Biles, body image, dating, family, and yes, a little Red Lobster. From gold medals to glow-ups, Jordan proves she’s that girl through strength, joy, and unshakable self-belief. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Keke Palmer?

  Y'all, I am so honored to sit down with two-time Olympian, world champion, and all-around force of nature, Jordan Chiles. This conversation right here, it is about what it takes to fight for your place and your peace. We're talking about everything, what it felt like to have an Olympic gold medal given and then taken, the racist backlash she survived, and how she found her voice again in her memoir, "I'm That Girl." Jordan doesn't hold back. This is bigger than gymnastics. It's about the emotional toll of injustice, the power of sisterhood, the courage to keep showing up, and the beauty of family saying, "I'm enough," through joy, grief, love, and legacy. Jordan is teaching us it all. Strength doesn't always look like gold.

• 1:15Keke Palmer?

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• 1:34Keke Palmer?

  Girl, what's up?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 1:36Keke Palmer?

  It's so good to be with you because I feel like I know you. I see you everywhere, online, in the media. You're so talented, amazing, doing your thing. How are you? I mean, you just did a huge Nike Super Bowl ad. I mean, Time Woman of the Year, Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. You're just killing it. How do you feel in this moment?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  I feel actually really good. I definitely can say it's been a whirlwind since after Paris, and I've just been enjoying the time, the presence. You know, definitely didn't think I would have two covers in one year. Not something I thought. You know, I thought one cover was like gonna be, you know, the golden, but I'm just been... Being me and just having fun, really, I feel like this time of era being 24 is just having fun, finding your identity, finding who you are and just enjoying life.

• 2:23Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and really getting your brand out there. I mean, I know you were in Cannes as well, doing stuff. How was that experience, you know, being so front-facing?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  It was really fun. I mean, a lot of the things that I did in Cannes, obviously, were like speaking panels about sports and marketing and, you know, brands and how as athletes, we see, you know, brands and how brands see us as athletes. So it was really cool. It was fun, you know, meeting CMOs, CEOs, different marketers and just really get to dive deep into how they build their brand and how they could help us and how we can help them. Especially women in sports. That's a huge thing right now, so.

• 2:55Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, absolutely. And I love to see it climb, honestly. I feel like when I was a kid, we didn't get to see enough of it. We knew a couple of folks, Lisa Leslie, she doing her thing, you know, but it's so good to see more of you in all these different fields, uh, doing y'all thing. Now, I know you don't know your big three, because I asked you before you got started in the interview, but you are an Aries.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:13Keke Palmer?

  And you said you're on the tour, you're like Taurus Cusp.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:15Keke Palmer?

  How do you feel the Aries energy showing up in your life and in your sport, or not? Because I mean, you're a leader. I mean, Aries are known to take charge.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  We are, we are. I mean, there are some moments where I'd be like, oh, that was an Aries move. Um, but I think being able to have like that leadership role and standing on it makes it even better. But when it does come to relationships, friendships, I can see where people are like, y'all Aries are something else. But I am very, a lot, you know, I'm kind-hearted. I'm gift.

• 3:45Keke Palmer?

  But y'all are so loyal.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  We are very loyal.

• 3:47Keke Palmer?

  To the most ridiculous point where it's like, y'all need to stop.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:50Keke Palmer?

  I love it about my Aries friends.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  I've gotten told that a bunch of times where it's like, we like to help others before we help ourselves. And, you know, I feel like I've understood that as I've gotten older, but when I was younger, man, I'd be the, you know, I'd be in high school being the first, the first person to be like, okay, so guys, like, how are you doing? What's going on? You know, so, um.

• 4:10Keke Palmer?

  But also just getting into this look, your nails, your cu- I do feel their Taurus energy, because Tauruses are so cute. They always give you a little flirty vibe, you know, I feel the energy, so I see a little of that Taurus cusp. Okay, I have to ask, because I know you're always in the gym, what is on your playlist? And I see you be dancing on TikTok. So like, what, what do you be listening to, Jordan?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  I listen, oh, I'm a girl's girl.

• 4:32Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  So I'm very much, you know, I have Megan, I have Beyonce, recently I've been playing.

• 4:38Keke Palmer?

  Texas.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Kehlani's. Folded song?

• 4:41Keke Palmer?

  Yes, everybody's been playing that.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  It's stuck in my head, like, it's been on repeat. So, um, I have her, sometimes I do go, you know, men, don't, don't, don't go there, I know. To all the men, yes, I do listen to you guys. Um, I, but I really just kind of, you know, just, just the feeling.

• 4:59Keke Palmer?

  And it feels kind of like R and B, hip, hip hop, hip hop.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  That's my, my play. You open up my phone and you're gonna see mostly R and B on there.

• 5:07Keke Palmer?

  Period. So you need to get into that new Just Kiki album. We gotta drop a little tracks for you on their playlist. Send them over to you.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Okay, period.

• 5:14Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so I want to talk about Paris. I don't want to go into a, a, a negative space, but I really want to understand this more as much as you can, because I know there's still a legal investigation going on with you being stripped of your medal, which is horrible. I'm so sorry that you had to experience that. Um, so with that being said, I want to understand, especially for those that maybe don't get the intricacies of the Olympics and how they do these kinds of judgings, what exactly happened that led to you getting your, your medal stripped?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  So, on the day, I found out that my coaches had put in an inquiry, and that's normal, it's a common thing. There were two other athletes that put in inquiries before me, Simone and on, uh, Rebecca and Ja'Jae, and theirs got denied. So I found out that, it was kind of a, a quick second. I was, you know, interacting with my teammate, and all of a sudden I hear, I put in inquiry. And I was like, okay, inquiries, they can go up, they can go down, or they can stay the same. So there's three different ways that your score can, you know, do its thing. And I found out that my score went up, and obviously, you know, you saw the uproar, everybody was excited, everybody was...

• 6:22Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it was a huge deal.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it was, it was a really, you know, cool experience. And then afterwards, I, you know, found out that they wanted to reevaluate what was happening, and my coaches had 60 seconds to put in an inquiry. And 60 seconds isn't, you know, it's not a long time. After my fluorine and basically there's a person that we have to go to to be like, hey, we want to put an inquiry and that person didn't stop the clock fast enough.

• 6:51Keke Palmer?

  So it was a human error that caused it, actually. Not really what happened in real time.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Exactly, and so that's why there was, you know, a whole thing that was happening where it was four seconds and, you know, there's video proof and all this stuff, so it was a devastating time.

• 7:08Keke Palmer?

  And then became such a huge, I mean, they just made everything so intense. I feel like the only time I heard about somebody getting their metal stripped was because they was

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Doping, yep, that's, that's another thing that I was just like, I'm confused. I'm confused, all I did was my, you know, my job. It's the biggest stage of your life and you want to, you know, have fun and like you were saying, the only other time I've heard people get their metal stripped is because of doping or is because, you know, whereabouts or something crazy, so I was just in awe and I did go to a deep, deep, deep, deep down under.

• 7:41Keke Palmer?

  And then, I mean, the thing is, I think anytime you, as a black person, living in this world, you're thinking to yourself, I'm not, I don't want to always make myself feel low and think everything's against me. Like a part of being able to excel in life as a minority is you trying not to think about all the odds that can be against you. You're kind of always thinking about, I'm moving forward, I'm gonna do my thing, hey, whatever, you like me, you don't. But this is an instance where the whole world was saying, we just saw you experience racism. Did you take that, did you accept that? Were you kind of like, did you find yourself trying like, no, no, no, maybe it's, you know, the rule books or like, how did you deal with that?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  I honestly, at first, I didn't think of it in that way until I started almost literally getting racist comments and saying this and saying that and basically telling, like, people were telling me to kill myself. And it got to a really, really tough point. I had to get off of social media for a while.

• 8:37Keke Palmer?

  Good for you.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Because it was, you know, it was really hard to even see that as an athlete. Like, let alone an athlete, I'm up there, yes, it's an all-black podium, which is very rare. It's obviously something that people just don't like because

• 8:51Speaker 01

  We are dominating in areas that, you know.

• 8:55Keke Palmer?

  Systemically, we've been removed from.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 8:57Keke Palmer?

  Even the sport alone is expensive to do.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 9:00Keke Palmer?

  You know.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  And as being a woman of color, I was just, you know. I started seeing it more. They didn't want to see that. They didn't want to see three beautiful black women standing on that podium. They didn't want to see the fact that we were just dominating and I really took that to heart. And again, I just went deeper into what already had happened.

• 9:18Keke Palmer?

  It's deep what you're saying too, because it makes me think about the craps in the barrel concept. Because what, what, what you're saying leads me to the fact of there can only be one. You know, so it's like, y'all can't handle the two aisles. Y'all can't handle the child in the pile. Y'all need only one. That, that really is interesting because I'm thinking about it, yes, it's, it's the collection of as opposed to only one gets in. And that creates not, not just something in terms of black and white racism, but also inter, in, intercultural stuff. Where it's like, we're always fighting for more than one position. I also remember you had spoken something, because you're biracial, right? You're, you're Latinx and I don't know exactly what, black and what's your.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Latin.

• 9:58Keke Palmer?

  Latin, okay, yes. And, um, you know, you said you were accused of not being black enough sometimes.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 10:04Keke Palmer?

  And dealing with that.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 10:05Keke Palmer?

  So I mean, when you experience this, but then also have that, that experience, how do you grapple with that?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I honestly just look at it as, well, it's my life. I'm writing my own narrative. I'm writing my own book. I'm writing, you know, things that not. I get it why people say those things because how I see is every single time I get some type of comment or something, it's some. I look back and be like, you know what, this person is probably going through a tough time and they don't like something about themselves.

• 10:34Keke Palmer?

  That's a powerful and important way to look at it, because it's true.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Because it's like, okay, you can, you know, obviously what you don't like about yourself, you're going to go to someone else and be like, I'm just going to ruin their day because I don't like something about me. And I'm just gonna move on with my, you know, my life.

• 10:48Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  And so with things like that, I had to deal with it at a young age. Um, actually, it's actually in my book, my coach didn't believe my mom was my mom. Because I was black, but she, my mom's Latin. So it's like when she came and picked me up or something, my coach was like, that's not your mom. Why can't that be my mom? Like, I'm, I'm mixed.

• 11:08Keke Palmer?

  It's my mama.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  And she's like, I have no other mother.

• 11:10Keke Palmer?

  Hola, comestan.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Right, like, what else do you want me to say? So I had to deal with it at a young age, but then I started to realize my identity is something that I am still finding and I'm get to choose and I get to explore and I get to, you know, embrace. I just started embracing my Latin side even more because I was like, yes, people only see me as black. But then it's like, if I tell them I'm Latin, they don't, they only see me as Latin and I'm just like, okay, y'all gotta pick and choose. It's like, I'm both, like. So I think having the, um, the understanding of being Afro-Latina, I really enjoy it. I really like to, you know, discover both cultures and just really find that diversity and just, you know, be me.

• 11:50Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and there's also so much going on as well within the Latin community right now. A lot of horrible atrocities being done. It literally is.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  It's devastating.

• 11:58Keke Palmer?

  Devastating. So then you have, you know, your communities, your two communities that you're speaking out for. What do you say to the young woman like you? That is dealing with seeing that on a day-to-day basis and maybe doesn't have any medals to even be taken from them. Like, they had, they're still working to find their thing and achieve something and know that the odds won't be against them. Because when you do see stuff like this, it can make you say, it can make the people watching us say, well, why should I even try? If I, you know, Jordan been doing this since she was seven. She got there and then how, what do we tell them to make them have faith that it's worth fighting for?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  I mean, every single day we're fighting for our lives. I don't think, you know, there's one day you're gonna wake up and be like, oh, this is, you know, this is gonna be a normal day. I, how I see it is, if that was the case, we'd all be living in a utopia.

• 12:44Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Drinking coffee the same, right? Driving the same car, like, it just don't work.

• 12:47Keke Palmer?

  Come on, coffee.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Like, it doesn't work like that, like, no. And I don't think people wanna see yourself. You don't wanna see your own identity in somebody else because you're gonna wanna change something. So I always tell even, you know, little girls who do a sport, don't do a sport is, you know, always believe in the power of your dreams. Your dreams can take. Years, they can take months, they can take the next day. But it honestly has something to do with your own personality, your own, you know, you being authentic to who you are.

• 13:16Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I continue to fight for what I do every single day because I understand my why. What is my why?

• 13:22Keke Palmer?

  What is your why?

• 13:23Speaker 01

  My why is always understanding that I didn't wake up to sprint for the younger generation for no reason.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I didn't wake up to, you know, talk about what I'm going through for no reason. I didn't write a book for them to read for no reason. So they get the ability just to wake up, look at themselves in the mirror and no pun intended, and say, I'm that girl, right?

• 13:44Keke Palmer?

  You a hundred percent that girl. I'm literally living for everything coming out your mouth. Okay? You are giving it, everything you say. I didn't do it for no reason.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  No reason.

• 13:56Keke Palmer?

  And it's about the belief that your life is worth it, because why else am I here?

• 14:00Speaker 01

  God didn't create me just to walk on the earth. He didn't create me just for me to have this resilient, like, just for me to be in my bed and be all pretty. No, that's not how it works. Like, it doesn't work like that.

• 14:13Keke Palmer?

  What do you think builds this kind of spirit? This spirit that you have, this tenacity, even just sitting in a room with you, I feel it. There's this discipline, this confidence and this dis-knowing. What do you think helped you cultivate that?

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Definitely, well, one, the discipline part came from my sport. At the age of 12, I was traveling to Italy, like, who does that? I don't think I can ask any other 12-year-old.

• 14:39Keke Palmer?

  We love Selene.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  So I think, really, it was, you know, my parents. My parents taught me how to be very humble and how to understand that if you want to create a life for yourself, then you have to work. You have to be dedicated and strive and, you know, conquer. I didn't grow up in a family of quitters. I know that's probably crazy to say, but that's, we don't quit in things, you know. Failing, yes, we can fail a hundred percent. That's, that's how life goes. But quitting, no. So I continue to, you know.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Understand myself. Each day, we learn something new about ourselves. Each year, you know, it's our birthday. That's not gonna be the same year that I was 23. It's not gonna be the same with me being 24. So I think constantly understanding that I'm growing and I'm understanding myself. And I am always authentic. I'm gonna be straightforward. I am a blunt person. I will tell you the truth. If you walk out the house with two separate socks on, I will tell you to go back in the house and change your socks. Because you're not doing that. No, no polka dots and stripes. No, it does not work. Like, that's just how I am. Like, I'm gonna just, you know, put my, my feet in front of each other and continue to walk. I, you know, walk by faith. Literally, that's kinda how I did. Let God create something for me.

• 15:53Keke Palmer?

  Another thing I wanna mention, um, because I think it's important, especially when that point that you made about seeing all of these minorities, specifically black people up here dominating spaces that you wouldn't expect. That can create intercultural, you know, competition. But you uphold a sisterhood with Simone Biles. She's one of the main people that came out and supported you. I mean, what do you think the importance is of us to see that as well? And how did it impact you during this typical time?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  It, it was kind of like a, a swap in Tokyo. You know, I, I helped, I stepped in for her. And I think that was when I first was like, wow, you know, I'm actually being seen. I actually feel something, you know, that confidence came in. And so her being able to support me in this situation and giving me, you know, tactics and being like, look, I'm here for you. I understand what's happening. We're gonna do everything we can and make sure, and we're gonna continue to fight. So seeing that, I think having that sisterhood is definitely a huge thing. Because not everybody gets that. Not everybody has that friend that is also your teammate.

• 16:53Keke Palmer?

  That, yes, that gets it.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  That gets it, exactly. Um, so it, it's been a, it's been pretty cool to see that she's, you know, been there for me and that I can, you know, do the same for her. Support her, do whatever, um, I need to do to make sure she's doing good. Cause when you have that relationship. You can kind of, you know, feel like, okay, we're both going in the same direction and we can conquer in both spaces.

• 17:15Keke Palmer?

  And healthy competition, and when you rise, I rise. So I'm really proud of you guys for that and for showing that. Now, we do gotta talk about this book, "I'm That Girl." I mean, did you see yourself writing a book? Or did you just know? Yeah, okay, okay.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  I did, yes, I did, when I was younger.

• 17:31Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, I love that. I live for the dreams coming true.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yes, I did. It was something, as a little kid, how I see it is, right, we have these imaginations. You have your little imagination friends, right? And you're like, one day, I'm gonna have real friends, right? So that's how it was with this book. I, you know, understood my story was crazy. I'm a rainbow baby and a miracle child.

• 17:53Keke Palmer?

  Oh, wow!

• 17:54Speaker 01

  And I'm named after Michael Jordan, so put all three things together.

• 17:57Keke Palmer?

  Your parents said, "We got high hopes," and they was right, though. Talk about manifestation.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Exactly, so I kind of really took that and made my story and being like, okay. You know, I've had the flu game. I know that's pretty crazy to say, but I've had the flu game. I've, you know, kind of been able to understand failing is a thing in life and you have to learn from them, so... You know, writing this book was really just something that I wanted to tell my story. People have narratives, right? You can go on Twitter and they can say this, that, and the other. I've gone through a lot of crazy things within my life, which, you know, I can say, "Thank you," but at the same time, why? Why me?

• 18:37Keke Palmer?

  God, why am I your strongest friend?

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Right, like, I appreciate it, but you shouldn't have to put me through that. Um, so, knowing that I was able to finally lay everything out.

• 18:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  I didn't realize, within the time of me writing my book, that trauma that I went through, whether it was me getting smoked out in a car, whether it was me getting my braids cut off, whether it was me getting told I looked like an Oompa Loompa, and keep in mind, I was like this big. Yeah, so there was a lot of trauma that I was, had to retell.

• 19:07Keke Palmer?

  I just wanna talk about this hair chopped off, really quick. So this is what you wrote in your book about one of your coaches?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Yes, Coach X.

• 19:14Keke Palmer?

  Coach X chopped off your hair?

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:18Keke Palmer?

  What did your mom do? What did your parents, what happened?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  She...

• 19:21Keke Palmer?

  And what was the reason? I mean, there's no reason for me knowing that.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  To her, there was. So in gymnastics, obviously, there's a typical, well, not anymore. I've kind of changed the culture of that, you know, with my tattoos, my nails, all those things.

• 19:33Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Allen Iverson Jr.?

• 19:38Keke Palmer?

  Why would I say that? The stuff I say, I'm tired of myself. Because what? But y'all know he changed the game. Never.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Anyways. Oh my god.

• 20:00Keke Palmer?

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• 21:15Keke Palmer?

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• 23:34Speaker 01

  Okay, we're back.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  So, there was a typical way of how gymnasts were supposed to be. And it was, you know, skinny girls, white, blonde ponytails. And so, it just to her, I guess it didn't look... Like professional.

• 23:52Keke Palmer?

  So yet again, another form of racism.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 23:56Keke Palmer?

  Subtle, this is why we have the Crown Act, this is how we. You know, it's so crazy to imagine, and again, that's why I said so much things need to be updated systemically that allow us to exist in our fullness. Because so much of it, I mean, even nowadays, I still go to Atlanta, I go to a restaurant. They literally say, everything but black skin can't come in. I mean, it's like, no hat, no, anything that you would imagine a black person be wearing.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:19Keke Palmer?

  They got up on that list. I'm like, you say you don't want nobody black, no Air Force Ones specifically.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 24:25Keke Palmer?

  Like what? Like, it's everything, no gold chain.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Right, like.

• 24:30Keke Palmer?

  It's so crazy. So, anyway, yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  So, basically, when I wrote the book and I was finally able to close it, I was like, all that trauma, I finally can let go. Like, I don't have to deal with it anymore. I, people ask me about, go read the book. You wanna really know, you can go read the book, like, you know?

• 24:51Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  And but what's also so cool is, like, when I closed my book and you, like, I'm that girl, obviously, it came from the song, from Renaissance.

• 24:59Keke Palmer?

  Beyonce.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Beyonce, and.

• 25:01Keke Palmer?

  I'm than you.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  And so, basically, I got to, you know, that was my motto all of 2024. So, when I get to close my book and I get to look at and understand all that trauma is inside, but when you look at the front cover, I get to say, you know, I would, I am that girl. I am that person that went through all of that, but I get to still be, you know, it's not about the pearls, it's not about, you know, the change, it's not about the money, it's not about any of those things, but it's about who I am and that resilient, independent woman that I get to carry around and, you know, let people see. So, it was a fun process.

• 25:37Keke Palmer?

  How has it been seeing the reception of that and people getting, because another thing I really liked that you talked about in your book was, um, the body image stuff.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:44Keke Palmer?

  And some of the eating disorders and things like that, which I think my best friend and I were talking about how in this world, eating, food inherently can become an eating disorder because we don't know if we should be more, we don't know if we should be less, we don't know based off our goals or what does this, you know, it becomes so confusing. So, I love that you spoke about it because I think we need to really talk about it a little bit more.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:06Keke Palmer?

  Um, and how did you find balance, you think, with that?

• 26:11Speaker 01

  It took me a while to find balance with food. At first, um, obviously.

• 26:15Keke Palmer?

  Cause it's also attached to your career.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Exactly. But as gymnast, it's a little different. Like, we don't like drinking too much water, cause we can feel it when we flip. I know that's weird. We can feel it in our stomach. So like, even water was kind of.

• 26:29Keke Palmer?

  She said, "Nothing."

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Like, even water, we were like, okay, during competitions, we, we would be like, okay, I'm, I'm parched, but like, let me just take a little sip, cause I don't wanna feel it. So, it was something that I had to get used to. As a little kid, my mom actually realized I did not know how to function without food. Like, it was, it would be the weird, like, I'd have more injuries and it would be like, I, they'd give me normal portions, right?

• 26:54Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  But it was like healthy food, like, couldn't function, couldn't do it. But the moment you gave me a cookie, or like a honey bun or something, it was like, wow, like, she's perfectly good. I can do everything. So like, I had to figure out, yes, me and food, we're not friends. It came to a point to where I found out I was lactose intolerant, which I still am, but you know, ice cream on the days can,

• 27:20Speaker 01

  right. Um, I found I was gluten free at one point in my life. I couldn't eat certain foods. I found I was allergic to lemon grass. Like, there was a lot of things and I would get like really, really sick. So it was like, what is going on? The moment my mom realized that things weren't going the, I would get cramps out of the blue, like, it was bad. So then she was like, okay, let's see what happens. You just go eat whatever you want. So what did I do? Oh, I went to Red Lobster, Red Robin.

• 27:48Keke Palmer?

  The manager of Red Lobster done added bags of uh, I just seen it on the news, girl. They about to update the damn menu. Yeah, they is. At Red Lobster, they about to give you whole dump bags of seafood.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  No way.

• 28:01Keke Palmer?

  That man came in there swinging. I know that's right. Anyway, back to it. I started thinking about the new

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Boy at Red Lobster.

• 28:11Keke Palmer?

  And I know they better pay us both.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  For real.

• 28:13Keke Palmer?

  Today.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Let's go. Clock it.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Anyways, if you see me and Kiki at Red Lobster, don't worry about it.

• 28:22Keke Palmer?

  Don't worry.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Anyways, um, so yeah, I had to, I, mine went the opposite. A lot of athletes you ask, do you have a diet? Do you have this? And it's like, yeah, I do, but for me, I don't have no diet.

• 28:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  I don't do any of that.

• 28:36Keke Palmer?

  Well, you found what's best for you.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 28:38Keke Palmer?

  And I think that's like, that's the really key piece for any one of us. Sometimes you could look online, you see, I love watching what I eating today. But it's like, I can't really eat what you can eat today. Or you can't really eat what I can eat today.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  And those portion sizes? To be your fist and that makes no sense to me. Because it's like, not everybody's hands are the same size.

• 28:59Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  So it's like, how does that work?

• 29:02Keke Palmer?

  And if your hand bigger than mine, I'm using yours.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Right?

• 29:05Keke Palmer?

  Uh, pick up, pick up this for me. That's how much I'm gonna eat.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Can you, can you, can you, give me a fist real quick?

• 29:11Keke Palmer?

  Literally.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Appreciate it. That, that's what I'm eating today. But yeah, it was, you know, love, love hate relationship. Now, I always do say this though. Because people, you know, they always ask me, with your body, what do you like? Body positivity and posture syndrome, that, we're women, it's gonna happen. It's just, that's just life.

• 29:29Keke Palmer?

  Seriously?

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Like, we're just gonna wake up one day and feel really skinny and the next day we're like, what happened?

• 29:34Keke Palmer?

  No, it's seriously.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  It just happened. So I always tell people, you know, create your mind to understand that your body is always going to change the older you get. And it will get to its form when it's needed. And so I think that's what I created in my mind is like, yeah, I have days where I'm like, ah, I feel like this, but then I'm like, you know what, girl? Slay today. You're gonna put these shoes on, you're gonna feel like this and you're gonna walk out the house, put some makeup on and let's go.

• 30:01Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  You know?

• 30:02Keke Palmer?

  And it's just a part of it.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 30:04Keke Palmer?

  Embracing those moments just as much as we embrace the good moments.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 30:08Keke Palmer?

  Now, you speak a lot about your, your family. Your parents, your sister. I mean, they've been vocal and visible and I know because my family is the same way, girl. So what role have they played, you think, in, in helping you build not just your career, but who you are as a person?

• 30:23Speaker 01

  They've played a huge role. My family had sacrificed a lot, especially my sisters. At a young age, they literally would have to take me to practice, do all these things, like. They hated it though.

• 30:33Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, my sister was tired too.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Tired of it, like, why I gotta take you to this place? I wanna go hang out with my friends. I'm like, I'm sorry, like, I, I gotta go to practice or mom's gonna kill us both. Like, it doesn't work like that. Um, so they played a huge role, obviously. My older sister, um, I, both my sisters actually work for me, which is pretty cool.

• 30:50Keke Palmer?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  My older sister, she's my H M U. Um, she, yeah, she does my hair and makeup for a lot of events.

• 30:57Keke Palmer?

  You look so good.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you. Um, and then my other sister, she's my personal assistant, which is also cool, cuz it's like, hey, you, excuse me, I need this, that, and the other, like, um, so having them both with me, especially cuz our relationships weren't too, like, close when I was younger.

• 31:16Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Knowing that now I have them within my life and we kinda can, you know, dominate. How, I'm always love giving back.

• 31:24Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  My family is something that I want to give back because they had to sacrifice. So, the first thing I did, which is pretty crazy to say, I didn't even buy my own self a house. I bought my parents a house. Like, it was.

• 31:36Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  It was something that I felt so proud of because it was like.

• 31:40Keke Palmer?

  You should.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  I was able to live in your house for eighteen years and you sacrificed everything, work, this, that, and the other.

• 31:46Keke Palmer?

  And I really wanna talk about this and take a moment because I feel like very related to a- athletes, even though I didn't start doing a sport.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  I, I feel like I'm related to you.

• 31:55Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? Because like.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  It's vice versa.

• 31:57Keke Palmer?

  Starting young, everything becomes a family business. Everybody gotta support you, everybody gotta put something on hold. And then, you know, you're doing your thing and a lot of people are just looking at you, but you're like, at the end of the day, it's my support system that's making it happen for me. So, being kind of like the one in your family, it seems like something that you, and then this is how I feel, especially as I got older, really take responsibility for and feel proud of, not burdened by.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 32:20Keke Palmer?

  Um, when you were younger, did you always see it that way? Or did you grow into that perspective of like, no, this is my role and I'm proud of it?

• 32:27Speaker 01

  It took me, I didn't like it at first because I was like, I feel bad, like, I feel bad. Yeah, I was like, man, we can't go on vacations because I have a competition. Like, my sister's birthday is in August and typically, that's when our vacations were and that was her birthday and I just always felt. Like it was something we couldn't really celebrate because I had competitions like that. But then I started to realize, well, maybe the role that I've given is because when her birthday comes, I can go get her a Louis Vuitton bag.

• 32:53Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  But I could go do this for her, you know, like all those things. So I did like, as I got older, started to realize, okay, I'm in this position for a reason.

• 33:02Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  And not only am I in this position, I'm going to be able to help everybody around me.

• 33:07Keke Palmer?

  And that's why I'm so glad we talked about, because I think so many people out there, whether they are in our fields or something else, especially when you think about minorities. Like a lot of times for us, like that generational lineage of wealth isn't there. So whoever decides to build it or who finds some, a way to build it, it's like, don't feel guilty for that. Don't feel burdened by that. Yes, it's tough, but what do they say? Heavy is the crown that they made you wear. You know what I'm talking about, y'all. So it's important to uplift that person, you know, the Terry's in the family, you know, soul food.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:36Keke Palmer?

  So, I mean, you're also a student at UCLA, girl. That's incredible.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Senior year coming.

• 33:42Keke Palmer?

  Congratulations, boo.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 33:44Keke Palmer?

  Um, you're building a brand. I mean, and you're essentially redefining what an athlete entrepreneur looks like. Um, how did you find the language for that, right? Because we're always trying to figure out like, how, how do I articulate? I know who I am, but how I articulate who I am to y'all?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:57Keke Palmer?

  Um, how has it been discovering that and then sharing it with the world?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  It's been fun. First off, at the age of 16, 17 years old, I understood what a W2 was and a W4 and a 1099, all those taxes thingies. I understood those because business runs in my family. My mom, uh, used to own property.

• 34:17Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Crazy places. She just enjoyed business. That's just what she did. So I understood. I would go in her office. I remember I'd go in her office and be like, okay, so what are we doing today? She's like, well, I'm filling this out because there's a tenant and then I was like, oh, okay, like, I would retain that. So a lot of the business things that I know now and I get to, you know, explore and let the younger generation understand.

• 34:40Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  It's fun because now I get to mentor. I actually have this new athlete initiative that's coming out.

• 34:47Keke Palmer?

  Wait a minute!

• 34:48Speaker 01

  It's called She-Ro. I'm mentoring two athletes who get to not only understand themselves in the sport area, but also their life. I have this, uh, one of the athletes, she likes nails. So I'm like, okay, well, what can we do with that? Do you wanna, you know, come and nail tech? You know, all those things and teach them ways before they get into college of understanding that, yes, college is gonna be hard. It's hard for everybody. Don't worry about it. We live life, right? But you'll be able to retain more information because I was able to mentor you and that you can kind of guide yourself a little better than most college students. So, um, basically-

• 35:23Keke Palmer?

  She-Ro.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Basically, I can give you a little background on She-Ro. Basically, She-Ro, uh, my aunt passed away, who was really dear and close to me, um, is on my dad's side, and she always told me I was her hero. But she didn't, she was like, that's a man. In her eyes, she was like, that's a man. So she was like, but you're, you know, my woman hero. So that's where She-Ro came into play. And it's basically just something that she felt I was, you know, dominant in things that she understood I was gonna be able to conquer. And she actually told me that before even Paris was even a thought in my head, that I would go to a second Olympics. And a year before, she passed away. And, um, it was, it was, you know, everything that I did, all of 24, was really, it was for her.

• 36:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  And my grandpa. My grandpa and my, they, they passed away a year apart.

• 36:13Keke Palmer?

  Shout out to grandpa. Shout out to your auntie as well. I don't know her name, but rest in peace. I'm sure they're really so proud of you.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are. They are.

• 36:20Keke Palmer?

  Seriously.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  But yeah, that's where She-Ro came from. So I'm excited.

• 36:23Keke Palmer?

  So She-Ro, this is gonna be huge. And then also, I mean, I just wanna get into a little bit of tea with you. Are you dating in college?

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 36:35Keke Palmer?

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• 37:20Keke Palmer?

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• 38:02Speaker 01

  Oh, geeky. No, I'm not.

• 38:06Keke Palmer?

  Yo, these are the questions that the girls want to know.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  No, I'm single. Everybody, I am a single.

• 38:11Keke Palmer?

  Do you feel like you get to date a lot with your schedule? People ask me this too, all the time because it's like, yes, I'm busy.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Ciao.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Dating?

• 38:20Keke Palmer?

  Dating schmading.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  I mean, okay, I was in a relationship. I can tell you that. A lot of people were like...

• 38:25Keke Palmer?

  How long?

• 38:26Speaker 01

  It was for two years.

• 38:27Keke Palmer?

  It's a long relationship.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  But it was like on and off, so I don't even know if that was... It's two years, but two years on and off.

• 38:33Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. It's still valid.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess. So...

• 38:38Speaker 01

  So since then, um, we, you know, it was a communication thing for me.

• 38:42Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  I'm a very, I'm an Aries, you still, just because I'm all lovey dovey and queuing, you know, you gotta communicate. I need to know that you're okay. I don't care if it's just a good morning, you gotta communicate. Uh, so it was just something that, you know, he played overseas and that was getting harder. Yeah, it was getting harder and harder. So kind of just, you know, it's like we can go our separate ways. So right now I've just been living life. I'm single though.

• 39:07Keke Palmer?

  Do you like dating people in your field? Because I don't really like it. Sometimes it can feel too much. I mean, obviously he can be an athlete, but play a totally different sport. So there's maybe differences there.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Sport wise, I mean, I don't mind. Now in gymnastics, I don't think I would date another gymnast.

• 39:23Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Like I could be an NBA wife. I could be, yeah, I could be an NFL wife. You know, all those things. So minus oh.

• 39:32Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Pop off.

• 39:34Keke Palmer?

  Okay, we'll see how those, we'll see how those DMs are about to get popping off.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  It happens every time. Every time.

• 39:42Keke Palmer?

  I live, girl. I just live. Okay, are you ready to play a game?

• 39:47Speaker 01

  I am.

• 39:47Keke Palmer?

  I play a game always with my guests and I really like, wanted to make sure this one felt very you-like.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus.

• 39:52Keke Palmer?

  So it's called spill the beams. We're gonna stand on like these little kid balance beams while playing a game of truth or dare.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Can you balance?

• 40:02Keke Palmer?

  I mean, if I can, you're gonna teach me, right?

• 40:04Speaker 01

  I got you.

• 40:04Keke Palmer?

  Yes, if I can, you're gonna make sure I'm good.

• 40:11Keke Palmer?

  Okay, either truth, dare, or wild card.

• 40:18Keke Palmer?

  Which first?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I'll do truth.

• 40:21Keke Palmer?

  Okay, truth. What is something petty you're still holding on to and would absolutely do again?

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Something petty? Ooh, what did I do that was petty? I think I would probably ignore one specific person again.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Just because they probably took... Oh, I stopped eating my food because somebody stole a fry from my plate without asking.

• 40:52Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, that is stubborn. That is that cusp stuff going on because that is some tourist type [BLEEP] too. Okay, my turn.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Uh, truth.

• 41:04Keke Palmer?

  Truth? Or dare? I want dare. Oh, now you have to spill. Actually.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  No!

• 41:12Keke Palmer?

  Let me get my spill things. Okay. Walk the beam like it's Love and Hip-Hop reunion stage.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Oh, reunion stage? Wait, what even happened? What?

• 41:25Keke Palmer?

  They be swinging them wagons around.

• 41:30Keke Palmer?

  Okay!

• 41:33Keke Palmer?

  That's what they be doing.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 41:39Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Okay!

• 41:43Keke Palmer?

  Jordy, you are too funny, girl. She talking so...

• 41:50Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  There's some crazy, uh...

• 41:53Keke Palmer?

  You can ask many of them.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Recite a toxic text you would actually still fall for.

• 42:00Keke Palmer?

  Look, it's been a long time.

• 42:04Keke Palmer?

  Only thing I want is just to see you and talk. You ain't gotta say nothing.

• 42:10Keke Palmer?

  Okay, I'm on the way.

• 42:14Keke Palmer?

  From the right person that'll hit. From the right person that'll hit. And you'll be like, [BLEEP] he just wanna talk.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  He just wanna talk, that's all he wanna do.

• 42:23Keke Palmer?

  I ain't even, I need to get out the car.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:26Keke Palmer?

  He said he wanna cock. That's it.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  I'ma go.

• 42:32Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Truth or dare?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Dare.

• 42:35Keke Palmer?

  Dare?

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:36Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Do a beam strut while saying your favorite made up excuse to cancel plans.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Hmm. My favorite one. I use it all the time.

• 42:48Keke Palmer?

  I know mine too.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I always do this.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  So, basically what had happened was, there was this one dude who really couldn't even pick up the phone and I just had to stay home because he told me he was pulling up in like three seconds.

• 43:06Keke Palmer?

  Now, that's a good ass one.

• 43:09Keke Palmer?

  That's a unique one. Because every girl is gonna be like, "Oh, get your man." Like that? Like, "Oh, wait, oh, let me, I already get it, girl." Let me know. That's a good one. I do the same typical one that every mom does. "Oh, my gosh, the baby, girl." The baby, just, the baby.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I get that one.

• 43:26Keke Palmer?

  Literally just the baby.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  I get that one.

• 43:28Keke Palmer?

  Looks like a charm. And if I said it to you, girl, it really was the baby.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Okay, truth or dare?

• 43:35Keke Palmer?

  Okay, truth or dare? I feel like the dares are really fun, so. Hit me with it. Oh, oh, truth, truth. I'm doing the truth. I'm doing the truth. Boom. I'm doing the truth.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  What's one song you performed that you now wish you passed on?

• 43:48Keke Palmer?

  That I now wish I passed on? The one song I performed that I wish I passed on?

• 43:56Keke Palmer?

  So, this is about to, this is about to be crazy to some people. I don't necessarily wish I passed on it, but I can be honest that it's like, one of my popular songs that like I didn't really wanna do was "Keep It Movin'." I know, isn't that crazy? I didn't want to do "Keep It Movin'." I actually didn't wanna do.

• 44:16Keke Palmer?

  And it's really like, the main jam, people be like.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Bye, come on, show's over. Thank you, have a nice day.

• 44:24Keke Palmer?

  And I feel like this is every artist storyline. Like, I feel like every artist be like, "Oh, you know, the one song I hated was 'Ring The Alarm.'" And it's like, huh? So, yeah, I guess, yeah.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Well, that's why you're talented.

• 44:39Keke Palmer?

  Okay, truth or dare?

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Truth.

• 44:42Keke Palmer?

  Okay. What's a red flag that you completely ignored multiple times?

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Attachment issues to my parents.

• 44:55Keke Palmer?

  Yours, your attachment issues to your parents.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Like my own red flag?

• 44:59Keke Palmer?

  Yes, somebody else's, somebody else's.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Somebody else's red flag?

• 45:02Keke Palmer?

  I'm also attached to my parents, so same.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  I'm not laughing?

• 45:08Keke Palmer?

  Don't abandon me, please.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Somebody else's red flags that I noticed would probably be them saying the same thing over and over again, but trying to reword it.

• 45:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. At that point, your head gets so tired that you just agree.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Because then I start saying the same motivational thing over and over again.

• 45:30Keke Palmer?

  And at this point, y'all got a script of the same [BLEEP].

• 45:36Keke Palmer?

  It's almost like we like the roller, we like the ride.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  We like to go up and down.

• 45:41Keke Palmer?

  And then when somebody changes you, you be like, wait a minute.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:44Keke Palmer?

  This is the part where, anyway.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Okay, strike three poses you do at the Met Gala. On the steps.

• 45:51Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Right here.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Okay, one.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Two.

• 46:02Keke Palmer?

  I'm just saying, I'm not.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Okay, period.

• 46:07Keke Palmer?

  Period, period. Okay, let me do you now.

• 46:11Keke Palmer?

  Wow. Perform your, I just saw my ex in public, but I look good, stretch.

• 46:19Keke Palmer?

  Yes, Jordan!

• 46:22Speaker 01

  I know you see me.

• 46:27Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Liz McGuire fall. Jordan, you're absolutely amazing. I had so much fun with you on the park.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  It's just fun.

• 46:34Keke Palmer?

  You're too fun. Well, to many more beamings.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  To many more beamings. That's not a word, but it's okay. We make one today.

• 46:43Keke Palmer?

  And Red Lobster.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you see us there.

• 46:46Keke Palmer?

  You know.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:47Keke Palmer?

  See you for it, bro. Let's go.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Bye.

• 46:53Keke Palmer?

  Jordan Chiles ain't just telling her story. She's taking the pen and writing the whole book herself. With honesty, boldness, and grace, she is confronting the systems that try to break her and reclaiming her power through visibility, vulnerability, and truth. Whether she's flipping across the mat, modeling in her own image, or mentoring the next generation, Jordan is showing us that strength is layered, legacy is personal, and healing is revolutionary. She is that girl. Not because anyone else said so, but because she knows it for herself. See y'all next week for more. Because, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 47:39Keke Palmer?

  "Baby, This Is Keke Palmer" is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Segal is our post-producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nester. Hillary Esti McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.