#84 Nick Bryant - Did Jeffrey Epstein Clone Himself? | Part 2

Nick Bryant is the author of "The Franklin Scandal" and Activist for Epstein Justice. Bryant is also credited with publishing Jeffrey Epstein's "Little Black Book." Part two is a complete breakdown of Jeffrey Epstein's vile empire and the systems that enabled his rise to a position of power in "high society." Bryant details the origins of the "Little Black Book" and uncovers the names within it. This is the account the mainstream media won't cover. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://firecracker.farm/shawn Nick Bryant Links: Website - https://nickbryantnyc.com Twitter / X - https://twitter.com/Nick__Bryant Epstein Justice - https://epsteinjustice.com Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:59Shawn Ryan?

  Previously on The Sean Ryan Show.

• 1:03Nick Bryant?

  I had this drive to make sure that the Franklin scandal got published. I read that there were other girls that knew about Epstein, but that that grand jury hadn't indicted him on a single count of child molestation. I started investigating and I ended up with Epstein's blank book.

• 1:24Shawn Ryan?

  Where did you start your investigation?

• 1:26Nick Bryant?

  I just, I started calling people that were involved. I called Michael Ryder.

• 1:31Shawn Ryan?

  Was he part of the cover-up?

• 1:32Nick Bryant?

  He was part of it getting exposed.

• 1:34Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:34Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, he was like Mr. Stand-Up Guy in all this. I mean, if it hadn't been for him, we wouldn't be here talking. People speculate that it was Israeli, not American. But here's the thing about that, and I try to explain it to people. There's no way that American intelligence is going to let Israeli intelligence compromise American politicians without getting a cut of that intelligence. There's just no way.

• 2:02Shawn Ryan?

  Well, maybe. I mean, why wouldn't they? Maybe that, I mean, if Jeffrey Epstein has blackmail on literally all these powerful people...

• 2:13Nick Bryant?

  Well, here's what happened. Okay, so when that state grand jury didn't indict Epstein on any counts of child abuse, Michael Ryder of the Palm Beach Police Department was just livid. And he went to the feds, and he said, "You guys have got to do something about this." And at a certain point, the feds accumulated a list of 36 victims. I've got the list. The feds had a list of 36 victims. Alexander Acosta was the US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Miami. And he was told that not to go after Epstein,

• 2:58Nick Bryant?

  that Epstein was intelligence, and it was above his pay grade. Now, he said that, he became Secretary of Labor under Trump. And when the Trump team was vetting him, they asked him, "Why didn't you go after Epstein?" And he said, "Well, I was told that Epstein was intelligence, and it was above my pay grade not to go after him." And it has come out that he said that, and he's never denied saying that. So, he was told Epstein is intelligence, and you need to back away from him. And that's exactly, and so, when we're talking about power, this is a US Attorney. There's two people constitutionally that can tell a US

• 3:42Nick Bryant?

  Attorney to back down in the United States of America, the President and the Attorney General. So, that's the kind of power that Epstein was tapped into, that a US Attorney could be told to stand down.

• 3:56Nick Bryant?

  Wow. So, was the, was...

• 4:03Shawn Ryan?

  What was his name, Lesnar?

• 4:04Nick Bryant?

  Les Wexner.

• 4:05Shawn Ryan?

  Les Wexner. Was he the gateway to all the other powerful people that Epstein had intertwined into this web of elites?

• 4:17Nick Bryant?

  I think that he was one of the gateways. I think that Epstein probably had multiple gateways. Like Leon Black, head of the Apollo group. Epstein got 156 million dollars from him.

• 4:31Nick Bryant?

  And how did that happen? Well, Leon Black just happens to be in Jeffrey Epstein's black book. Glenn Dubin, another billionaire. He's actually circled. What happened was the house manager ripped off Epstein's black book. This is how I ended up getting it. The house manager ripped it off and he tried to sell it to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at Epstein. And then the attorney called the FBI and the FBI did a sting. But he circled a bunch of names that he saw had been involved with Epstein.

• 5:11Shawn Ryan?

  Epstein circled them or the house manager?

• 5:14Nick Bryant?

  No, no, the house manager did.

• 5:15Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 5:15Nick Bryant?

  So Les Wexner's name had definitely circled.

• 5:20Nick Bryant?

  Bill Richardson's name is circled. Bruce King's name is circled. Glenn Dubin's name is circled. George Mitchell, the former Majority Leader of the Senate, his name is circled. Marvin Minsky, a famous scientist at MIT, his name is circled. And actually, and a number of these people come up in depositions, a victim's deposition when she names names.

• 5:46Shawn Ryan?

  So these names are popping up all over the place and it's all syncing up?

• 5:49Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, and one of the circled names is Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel.

• 5:59Nick Bryant?

  So.

• 6:01Shawn Ryan?

  Any presidents' names in there?

• 6:03Nick Bryant?

  Um, well, actually Epstein has, I believe, 24 contact numbers for Clinton. And it's very obvious that Epstein was providing girls to Clinton. I mean, when Clinton was president, Epstein was going into the White House with girls, with women. I don't think that they were minors, but Epstein was definitely delivering women to Clinton when Clinton was in the White House.

• 6:27Shawn Ryan?

  What's with the painting? Do you know the painting?

• 6:30Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah, with Clinton in the blue dress. I, you know, it's.

• 6:33Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 6:35Nick Bryant?

  It's Jeffrey Epstein's perverted sense of humor towards Bill Clinton, I guess. I'm sure that Clinton probably never saw it.

• 6:43Shawn Ryan?

  What about, what other kind of paintings were there?

• 6:47Nick Bryant?

  Um.

• 6:48Shawn Ryan?

  Was anybody else we know?

• 6:49Nick Bryant?

  No, nothing like that.

• 6:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 6:51Nick Bryant?

  Nothing like Bill Clinton in a blue dress, which kind of is a frightening thought.

• 6:57Shawn Ryan?

  Is that the? Yeah, we'll put it up on screen. It's a great painting.

• 7:02Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, it was a very good painting, yeah.

• 7:03Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, I don't know why you'd want that painted, but, um,

• 7:12Shawn Ryan?

  keep going with the Black Book. There's, I have so many questions that have.

• 7:16Nick Bryant?

  Well, you know, with the Black Book, um, so I got the Black Book and like I had direct contact information to Bill Clinton or, you know, Mick Jagger's name was in there. Um,

• 7:32Nick Bryant?

  you know, the Kennedys, there was a Rothschild. I mean, uh, Soros's, actually Soros's nephew was kind of taking over the Soros empire. He was, he circled in the Black Book.

• 7:47Nick Bryant?

  So.

• 7:47Shawn Ryan?

  How many names are in the Black Book?

• 7:50Nick Bryant?

  Um, I would say a couple hundred, 200, 300.

• 7:57Nick Bryant?

  I mean, I'm talking like people that, uh, that Epstein did business with. But then there's also the names of probably about 150 victims too.

• 8:07Shawn Ryan?

  So if you had to describe the black book, how would you describe it? I mean, was it handwritten? Was it typed?

• 8:14Nick Bryant?

  No, it was typed out. It was Epstein's, basically, all the connections that Epstein had made.

• 8:24Shawn Ryan?

  It was just a rolodex of people?

• 8:26Nick Bryant?

  Yeah. And like, a thing that kind of indicates guilt, and I'm not saying that categorical guilt, but it indicates guilt, is the more numbers that Epstein had for you, even if you weren't so... Like, George Mitchell was named by a victim as a perpetrator.

• 8:47Shawn Ryan?

  Who's George Mitchell?

• 8:48Nick Bryant?

  He was the head of... He was the Democratic head of the Senate. When the Democrats... This is in the 1990s. When the Democrats had the majority... He was the majority leader of the Democrats. So he constitutionally was the president pro tempore, which makes... So if the president goes, and the vice president goes, and the Speaker of the House goes, then the majority leader of the Senate takes over. So constitutionally, he was the fourth most powerful man in the country. And Epstein has like seven numbers for him.

• 9:30Nick Bryant?

  And then that girl came forward and said that she'd been molested. And you know, here's the thing about this, though. You know, some of these guys, I mean, some of them are creepy. Like Alan Dershowitz is creepy. Les Wechsner is creepy. But George Mitchell, he looks like a benign grandfather. I mean, I believe that victim. And then Epstein was obviously doing business. I mean, he had like seven numbers for George Mitchell. But he... I mean, he doesn't look creepy. It's weird. You know, some of these guys are very creepy, and they don't look creepy. A lot of them look creepy, but some of them just don't.

• 10:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, was there any... Notes or annotations or anything beside the names or was it literally just like a phone book? A name and then whatever numbers they had for it?

• 10:19Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, numbers.

• 10:20Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 10:20Nick Bryant?

  And then, and then Alfredo Rodriguez circled the ones that he had witnessed in Florida taking part.

• 10:28Shawn Ryan?

  Was it all men?

• 10:29Nick Bryant?

  Um, Courtney Love's name is circled.

• 10:35Nick Bryant?

  And I think Naomi Campbell's name might be circled too.

• 10:38Shawn Ryan?

  Did, were there any boys that were victims? Or was it all women or young girls?

• 10:45Nick Bryant?

  Okay, so I have heard of boys. But I've yet to find them.

• 10:50Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 10:51Nick Bryant?

  At this point, but I, but I've heard of them.

• 10:53Shawn Ryan?

  Are the victims?

• 10:58Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about what it was like when you spoke with some of the victims. Were they, were they eager to get information out?

• 11:05Nick Bryant?

  No.

• 11:06Shawn Ryan?

  Were they scared? Were they standoffish?

• 11:09Nick Bryant?

  They're scared. I mean, in this scenario, you've got Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell saying, you know, if you talk, you're gonna die.

• 11:17Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:18Nick Bryant?

  And then you see all these extremely powerful guys. You see the Prime Minister of Israel or you see Bill Clinton. I mean, you know, these are people at the apex of power.

• 11:34Shawn Ryan?

  Uh-huh.

• 11:34Nick Bryant?

  And you're, and Epstein and Maxwell have told you if you talk, you're gonna die. And then you see these powerful guys, you're, you're terrified.

• 11:44Shawn Ryan?

  What about Bill Gates?

• 11:45Nick Bryant?

  Um, okay, so now here's what's interesting about Bill Gates. Um, our mainstream media, which has been very lackadaisical, uh, covering Jeffrey Epstein, said that they met in 2011, I think. So, but there was an, actually an article from the Evening Standard in the UK from 2001 that said that Epstein and Gates were doing business in the 1990s. So...

• 12:13Nick Bryant?

  Chances are, if that article is correct, um, Epstein and Gates knew each other like approximately 20 years before our mainstream media. Our mainstream media has just washed this up, cleaned it up. Um, it's, it's pretty disgusting.

• 12:31Shawn Ryan?

  Well, don't quote me on this, cause I mean, I, I think all of mainstream media is completely corrupt. Doesn't matter if it's on the right side, doesn't matter if it's on the left side. There is no middle side. But, um, you know, I, I believe it was an ABC correspondent that got fired, who came out and said that she wanted to cover the story and right before she went on to cover it, it was, hey, cut it, we're not doing this.

• 13:00Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Shawn Ryan?

  We're not gonna cover it. And, and, um, do you know what I'm talking about?

• 13:04Nick Bryant?

  Yes, yeah.

• 13:05Shawn Ryan?

  Did that happen? I mean, that's the only, the only one that I've seen that's actually public. Um,

• 13:13Nick Bryant?

  It could have happened in other situations, um, but it's difficult to know. I mean, because again, we're talking, why, why are people covering up for Jeffrey Epstein? Cause they don't want to lose what they have and they're afraid of not getting what they want. And, and, and that's a strong motivator for people. A very strong motivator. Their, their mortgage payments, their car payments, the payments for their children's college. Um, these are very strong motivators for people not to do their job. Because in Epstein, we see a

• 13:50Nick Bryant?

  lot of people not doing their job. And they're afraid. They, they don't, they do, they're not like Michael Reiter, the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department. They're not like him, who, who, who's going to do what's right.

• 14:08Nick Bryant?

  They're gonna, they're gonna weigh this.

• 14:10Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I feel like this country used to be full of people do what's right.

• 14:14Nick Bryant?

  Well, they're out there. We just have to, we just have to start collecting them, getting them together, giving them one voice. I, I believe that there's enough people that are out there that really want to do the right thing.

• 14:28Nick Bryant?

  But they, they haven't been offered a modality to do that. And that's why Epstein Justice, this organization that I've started is so important. Because we want to start getting the message out to people and say, it's all right to come forward. Actually, it's our duty to come forward. Our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking in the case of Jeffrey Epstein. And like, let's say someone lived down the block from you and you knew that they were aiding and abetting child trafficking. I mean, you would never trust them. You would never let your kids near them.

• 15:13Nick Bryant?

  And here our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking. I mean, so how can we trust our government? We cannot, we've reached a point where we cannot trust our government. If, if our government is that corrupt, we can, we can no longer trust the government.

• 15:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I don't think it's a if our government is that corrupt. I think it's our government is that corrupt in multiple arenas.

• 15:39Nick Bryant?

  And, but here's the thing, with Epstein Justice, if we dig down into Epstein, we will come across the cesspool that I believe is contaminating other large parts of the government. And then that's where we can make meaningful change at that point. Is, we have to, we have to make sure that the government indicts those perpetrators, indicts those perpetrators and tells us why, tells the American people why it covered up Jeffrey Epstein.

• 16:15Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go back to the victims. I was, I got sidetracked there for a minute.

• 16:20Shawn Ryan?

  So it's, were any of the victims eager to be forthcoming with?

• 16:25Nick Bryant?

  No. No. Um. Every victim was, and I've gotten to know a number of them, they're, they're reluctant to talk.

• 16:36Shawn Ryan?

  Were the, were any of the victims?

• 16:42Shawn Ryan?

  How long did it take to get names out of them?

• 16:45Nick Bryant?

  Um.

• 16:50Nick Bryant?

  A while. You know, it's, it's like anything else. Where you've got a developed trust. But I've done this before. I'm, I've done it actually quite a bit at this point. I mean, not only the Franklin scandal, but I've talked to lots of victims. So I've got a track record out there. You know, if here's a guy that does the right thing, that, that investigates this and does the right thing. So that's, and there was an Epstein victim that actually read the Franklin scandal. So, um, she realized that, you know, I was very, uh, concerned about this and, and, and, and really willing

• 17:30Nick Bryant?

  to do whatever it takes to, to get this out there, to get this information out there. So she was very, I mean, she offered me names and then I've gotten to know others, um, that have also offered names too. Um, but they don't, you know, it's, these, these were little girls, man, that were terrorized.

• 17:56Nick Bryant?

  And Epstein and Maxwell were, you know, they're, they were, they were vicious to these girls. I mean, not even, I mean, some of these guys that, that were, you know, were violent, but Epstein and Maxwell were just

• 18:13Nick Bryant?

  mentally vicious.

• 18:15Shawn Ryan?

  In what ways?

• 18:16Nick Bryant?

  To these girls. Oh, man, you know, they would make one girl like stand on a scale in front of a bunch of other girls. At the island to make sure that, you know, I mean, the mind games that were played. I mean, like some of these girls that ended up at that island, they didn't even know. I mean, like Juliette Bryant, she was in South Africa and she met someone who knew Epstein. And then all of a sudden she was on a trip to watch Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein and Kevin, with Kevin Spacey in South Africa. Bill Clinton was going to deliver a message in South Africa.

• 18:59Nick Bryant?

  And then someone with Epstein said, you know, you're beautiful. Let's make you a model, come to New York. So she comes to New York and then the day that she arrives in New York, she gets a call. I believe it was from Sarah Kellen, who should also be doing multiple lifetimes in prison, saying, we're going to the island now. Pack your stuff, we're going to the island. And then, so she gets on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. She's been in New York, she hasn't been in New York for a full day. She gets on Jeffrey Epstein's plane and then they're flying to the island. And then all of a sudden Jeffrey Epstein has one of the girls perform oral sex on him in front of all the other girls. And what's she gonna do?

• 19:43Nick Bryant?

  I mean, you know, here's a terrified young woman who is, you know, 35,000 feet up in the air going to an island. I mean, what is she going to do? She's never been in anything like this before. She's terrified and that's the viciousness.

• 20:03Shawn Ryan?

  So was it, was it, uh... Was it like a kidnapping? Were these women kidnapped? Could they go home at the end of the day? Or were they stuck on this island and his other properties? I mean, how, what was the living dynamic?

• 20:20Nick Bryant?

  They could go home, but here's the thing. It's like, you know, cults. Cults keep people tethered.

• 20:29Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 20:31Nick Bryant?

  To that organization, um, like the Unification Church or the Herakrushna, um, heavens. I mean, all these, these cult leaders, you know, there's a very charismatic person there. So these girls, I mean, some of them are like one and done and they're out of there. But a lot of them, you know, they're, they're, well, we're going to pay for your college. Or we're going to make sure that you become a famous artist. Or we're going to make sure that you become a famous actress. I mean, this, I mean, none of, all these carrots were dangled in front of these girls.

• 21:10Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:10Nick Bryant?

  And, and these girls thought, well, you know, if I, after they'd already been indoctrinated, you know, they thought if I just endure this a little bit longer, then they're going to give me this or I'm going to get that. But that, none of, none of those promises ever materialized for any of those girls. It was, and, and that's, the mind game of it too, is vicious. I mean, everything, when it had anything to do with Epstein and Maxwell, it was just categorically vicious to these girls. Whether they were being pandered to dirty old men or, or men that liked to beat them up. Um, and just the mind games with Epstein.

• 21:52Nick Bryant?

  I mean, being flown, you know, coming from South Africa to New York City and being in New York City for less than a day and then being told you're being flown to the island and then all of a sudden you're on this island and what do you, you know, you're, you've got no choice really.

• 22:09Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how do they, how do they, how do some of the victims describe daily life on the island?

• 22:14Nick Bryant?

  Hellish, hellish. I mean, they, they had to sleep in like a dormitory and then they would be called for.

• 22:24Nick Bryant?

  And um, and then sometimes like with one of them who was ostensibly having weight problems, they would be just ridiculed in front of the rest of the girls.

• 22:39Shawn Ryan?

  Humiliated.

• 22:40Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Shawn Ryan?

  How many times a day would they have to perform sexual acts?

• 22:47Nick Bryant?

  It all depends on who was there. And then they were expected to perform on Epstein too. And however many times Epstein wanted them to perform. So, yeah, it was, I mean, once you were there, I mean, and a number of very powerful people were on that island.

• 23:13Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:14Nick Bryant?

  And, um, and these girls knew that. Uh, Sergey Brin, one of the founders of Google, was quite fond of Jeffrey Epstein. And, uh, but there were other people other than Sergey Brin.

• 23:30Shawn Ryan?

  There was a lot of, uh, Hollywood celebrities as well.

• 23:33Nick Bryant?

  Well, there were Hollywood celebrities. Um, Epstein was more into, uh, politicians and power. I think, um, people know about Hollywood Babylon, but they don't know about Saddam and Gomorrah on the Potomac. But, um, with Epstein and also with the Franklin scandal, I mean, they pandered kids to Hollywood people, but they were primarily focused on financial people and political people.

• 24:04Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting, interesting.

• 24:05Nick Bryant?

  But I'm, but here's the thing with Hollywood. I mean, there's plenty of, uh, freaks that are pandering girls to people in Hollywood.

• 24:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. We just, we just talked to Jim Caviezel a little bit about that. I'm hoping to talk a lot more about that with him in the future. But, um, let's take a quick break.

• 24:27Nick Bryant?

  Sounds good. I have to go to the bathroom again. My, my, my prostate sits the size of a softball is.

• 24:33Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Let's take a break.

• 24:38Shawn Ryan?

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• 27:25Speaker 00

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

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• 28:29Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Nick, we're back from the break. We're talking about some of the names in the black book. And there have been a lot of names that have been released by different sources. Maybe it all came from you originally. But was every name in that book guilty of partaking in sexual activities with minors?

• 28:59Nick Bryant?

  No. There were a number of people in that book that were not. That book was just a book of all of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts. And stolen by the Alfredo Rodriguez, who was the house manager. And but a lot of the people, I mean, that was Jeffrey Epstein's thing. I mean, his thing was making money and molesting children. I mean, that was so if you're in that black book. I mean, it's and Jeffrey Epstein's relationships were all utilitarian. I mean, he wouldn't, if you couldn't help him make money or molest children. He wouldn't have anything to do with you.

• 29:43Nick Bryant?

  So a lot of people in that black book are there for making money or they're prestigious.

• 29:50Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think there's anybody that has been painted in a negative light? Because their name was on that black book that possibly maybe shouldn't have been. I mean, it seems like anybody who's associated with this guy. You know, I've seen pictures of of celebrities and presidents and and with him at parties, but I mean, and people get outraged, you know, and and but I mean, when you go to parties, I mean, it's it's easy for anybody to just to snap a picture of you standing next to whoever. You might not even know who they are. And so and so I'm just curious if there's anybody in particular that you think that

• 30:32Shawn Ryan?

  has been has been defamed because of their association with them, maybe maybe they're not even realizing who he was.

• 30:40Nick Bryant?

  When people ask me that question, I I think of that Beatles line, See How They Run. Um, according to everybody who's been interviewed in that book, no one had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein.

• 30:52Shawn Ryan?

  Good.

• 30:53Nick Bryant?

  I mean, like, oh, you know, I met Jeffrey Epstein six years ago at such and such as party and I don't know how I ended up in that black book. I mean, that's what everybody's gonna say, or most people are gonna say. Um, Alan Dershowitz, who was quoted as having a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and Vanity Fair, I think from 2002.

• 31:19Nick Bryant?

  Oh, yeah, I barely, and he's on Jeffrey Epstein's flight manifests and he just talks about how much he loves Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein reads all his books and, oh, yeah, I, I think I saw Jeffrey Epstein in 2015. I mean, these people are obviously lying. I mean, they want to do everything they can to distance themselves. And Jeffrey Epstein is the same as, like Craig Spence, in the Franklin scandal, everybody who is anybody came to Craig Spence's parties. And Craig Spence is quoted as saying, well, how will they deny that they ever came to my party? And I'm sure that Epstein, I've

• 32:03Nick Bryant?

  heard that Epstein had said something like that. Well, how can they deny that, you know, that I didn't, because I was with the elite of society? So where is this, where is the black book now? The FBI has it. The FBI did a sting. Alfredo Rodriguez, we talked about a little bit earlier, he wanted to sell the black book to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at Jeffrey Epstein that was representing some of the victims. And he called the attorney and the attorney called the FBI and the FBI did a sting. And so the FBI has the black book. I was fortunate enough to get a copy of it. And, and then that was the copy that I released in 2015.

• 32:48Nick Bryant?

  So the FBI has the black book, they've done nothing with it? Well, no one's, here's, Epstein's, when Epstein got taken down, four years ago, the FBI opened his safe and he had hundreds of DVDs. And I'm sure a bunch of them had to do with compromising. And then he was, I think he was also into child pornography, too. So, we have no idea.

• 33:19Shawn Ryan?

  So they have all the DVDs.

• 33:20Nick Bryant?

  They have all the DVDs.

• 33:21Shawn Ryan?

  They have the black book. They literally have every, everything. And nothing is happening. What's your opinion of the FBI nowadays?

• 33:29Nick Bryant?

  Well, I mean, it's, in, in this case, it's obviously unbelievably corrupt. The FBI knew, okay, so the FBI knew about Jeffrey Epstein in 1996. We know that for a fact. Maria Farmer, who was assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein, and her sister was assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein, went to the FBI in 1996 and told them about Jeffrey Epstein. Now, and, and it's amazing. Think if the FBI had acted on Maria Farmer's information. Think of all those girls that could have been saved. But.

• 34:05Shawn Ryan?

  I don't even know why anybody who has, I, I, I can't even imagine applying for a position at the FBI nowadays. Well, I don't understand what they do, and I don't understa- any, any red-blooded, whatever. Any, anybody within ounce of integrity in this country, I do not understand what the [bleep] they are doing, working for the FBI. I, I, I don't know what they do now.

• 34:35Nick Bryant?

  And, you know.

• 34:35Shawn Ryan?

  Except cover-ups. They do a lot of cover-ups.

• 34:38Nick Bryant?

  I have met some decent FBI agents over the years. I mean, I have.

• 34:43Shawn Ryan?

  Who are they serving?

• 34:45Nick Bryant?

  Um, I don't know.

• 34:47Shawn Ryan?

  You know, that's what, like, you think you're doing something for the better, like, for the, for the, for the good of the country? It's.

• 34:54Nick Bryant?

  But, but, but we're talking, you know, we're talking in the Department of Justice and the FBI together. I mean, so the FBI had hundreds of DVDs of Epstein. Um, I'm sure a lot of them were compromised DVDs, and I'm sure a lot of them were just child pornography. Um, so they've gone into a black hole.

• 35:14Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you know, we talked earlier, and it's, it's these guy, oh, they're worried about their mortgage and their car payment and this and that, and it's like, sell your [bleep] car, get a smaller house. What expense are you willing to cover these up for? You know, there's kids being raped.

• 35:33Nick Bryant?

  It's uh.

• 35:35Shawn Ryan?

  Your car.

• 35:36Nick Bryant?

  It's.

• 35:36Shawn Ryan?

  Get a new job.

• 35:38Nick Bryant?

  But, you know, people do not think that way. They, like I said, they're afraid of losing what they have or not getting what they want. But now this is interesting. So when Epstein died, they said that the case was closed. So I did a Freedom of Information Act request. I didn't ask for the DVDs. I asked for reports on the DVDs. That was my FOIA request. And I eventually got an email back saying that the case was ongoing. So I don't, I don't know if those reports on those DVDs will ever come out. It would be great. I mean, then we'd, we'd be able to get a lot of answers. It's up to our government. Our government

• 36:20Nick Bryant?

  needs to get honest about this. And until it does, I mean, I mean, we're going to be governed by the cesspool that we're currently being governed by. Uh, people that aren't concerned about doing the right thing, they're concerned about their money and prestige. And you, you see this, I mean, it's a historical trend. I mean, like the Catholic Church, Penn State, you know, Boy Scouts, money, property and prestige. They will not, all those kids that were molested, all those kids, molestation that got covered up, they were all covered

• 37:01Nick Bryant?

  up so those organizations could perpetuate their money, their power and their prestige. And, and, and individuals are the same way.

• 37:13Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about Maxwell. How did she play into everything? What was her role?

• 37:20Nick Bryant?

  Well, she was the, uh, she was the one that was really hands on running the network. The logistics person. I had a, I interviewed an Israeli spy, Barry Ari Ben Menashi on my podcast. And, you know, he's a spy. It's difficult to know, um.

• 37:46Nick Bryant?

  If he's telling the truth or not. But, okay, so her father, Robert Maxwell, had a publishing empire. But he was also a spy for Israel and Russia and the UK and probably the US. And he had this huge publishing empire. And what he did was he went into the retirement funds of his employees and stole them all.

• 38:19Shawn Ryan?

  So Maxwell's dad was an Israeli spy?

• 38:23Nick Bryant?

  Yes.

• 38:24Shawn Ryan?

  Who was running logistics for Jeffrey Epstein?

• 38:27Nick Bryant?

  No, no, no, no, no. So he was a spy, for sure. And then he had a huge publishing empire.

• 38:36Shawn Ryan?

  But his daughter was running logistics for Jeffrey Epstein?

• 38:40Nick Bryant?

  Yes.

• 38:41Shawn Ryan?

  Who has been named by government officials that he's untouchable because he's an intelligence.

• 38:49Nick Bryant?

  Yes.

• 38:50Shawn Ryan?

  So there's a, there's a line right there.

• 38:52Nick Bryant?

  Yeah. And Maxwell had a yacht called Lady Ghislaine, which was named after his daughter Ghislaine, who was his favorite child. And he jumped off one day. And he had a very mysterious death, much like Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the cover story on it is, is that, I mean, because it did come out that he'd ripped off all these, the retirement funds of all these employees. I mean, millions of dollars. I mean, he destroyed all these people. I mean, a guy obviously didn't have a conscience. And Ghislaine Maxwell supposedly then came to New York to get away from it.

• 39:33Nick Bryant?

  And then that's where she met Jeffrey Epstein. Now, according to this Israeli spy that I interviewed, Maxwell put, Robert Maxwell, put Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein together. And they were together even before he died, before his mysterious death. Some people think it's suicide, some people think it's homicide. I mean, it's a very strange death. So...

• 40:00Nick Bryant?

  Somehow Maxwell and Epstein got together. And the story is that Epstein had the money and Maxwell had the connections. Um, and I think that there's some, some truth there.

• 40:12Shawn Ryan?

  And this, this guy was a spy for the Israelis, the UK.

• 40:17Nick Bryant?

  And, and.

• 40:18Shawn Ryan?

  Possibly the US, and I believe he named another one.

• 40:21Nick Bryant?

  And possibly Russia, yeah.

• 40:22Shawn Ryan?

  And are all these, do all these countries have people involved in this trafficking ring?

• 40:28Nick Bryant?

  Um, with Jeffrey Epstein, it's really difficult to know. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was active in Europe for sure. He was actually buying. I mean, we're not talking renting. He was buying young girls in Eastern Europe. Buying them like, like, like slaves.

• 40:48Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Nick Bryant?

  And when you think about that, how evil that is.

• 40:54Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. We've covered this in, in other episodes about, um, how trafficking works. But I believe you mentioned something about, um, were there members in the UK government involved or in, within the royal family?

• 41:13Nick Bryant?

  Okay, so definitely Prince Andrew was, was part of, I mean, he was pandering. Epstein was pandering girls to Prince Andrew. And, uh, who is a thoroughly repulsive human being. I mean, I did some research into him and, and anybody that ever worked for the royal family loathe Prince Andrew.

• 41:35Shawn Ryan?

  What was he into? What was, what was he, what was his deal?

• 41:38Nick Bryant?

  He liked underage girls. That was, that was his thing. But he, he, I mean, he's just a nasty, foul human being. I think a lot of the people in the royal family are probably nasty, foul human beings. I think Andrew is probably a little special that way. He's probably a little nastier and more foul than, um.

• 41:57Nick Bryant?

  His siblings because um just from and this is very strange. So here's a guy that molests underage girls, but he has all these teddy bears and his um the people, the butler uh or whoever takes care of the house manager where he lives, they're supposed to have the teddy bears on his bed in a certain way. And if the teddy bears aren't on his bed the way that he likes them, then then he has a conniption. So um he likes to molest little girls and then he likes teddy bears on a certain way on his bed. So that's kind of uh and according to Andrew, he doesn't sweat either, according to the BBC interview. So um which really,

• 42:41Nick Bryant?

  I mean, there was that BBC interview where he attempted to acquit himself and he he came across as such an idiot. I mean, you could tell that it's it's like um Jamie Dimon with JP Morgan. JP Morgan just gave Epstein's victims $290 million. Yeah. And there was a New York Times article uh where Jamie Dimon was talking and you could tell that the guy was lying. I mean, it didn't it didn't take rocket science to figure out. And then, you know, he's saying, of course, we had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, there's this $290 million settlement. So um obviously, these banks were integral to what Jeffrey Epstein was

• 43:23Nick Bryant?

  doing. And they knew, according to these lawsuits, these banks, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, they knew exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. How do you think they were involved?

• 43:35Nick Bryant?

  Well, I think that some of the the executives in those banks, like Jeff Staley, I mean, wasn't were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile network. And and Why are they going? I guess what I'm And and Diamond, too. I'm I'm kinda

• 43:54Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's so if if if they sued JP Morgan and not the individuals, how was JP Morgan as a as a company involved in the Jeffrey Epstein, you know, sex trafficking ring rather than just the key players that were, I mean, do you see what I'm getting at? Why wouldn't they go after the key individuals? And why did they? Why did they go after the company JP Morgan?

• 44:24Nick Bryant?

  Well, the argument that they made was that JP Morgan was cognizant of JP or of Jeffrey Epstein trafficking children and gave him the money to facilitate it. They gave him money to to do other things, but with the money that JP Morgan gave Jeffrey Epstein, that facilitated his child trafficking.

• 44:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you think this was a protection? Were they protecting certain people's identity by by by putting it into the company?

• 44:54Nick Bryant?

  Absolutely, Jeff Staley and and Diamond. I mean, without a doubt. I mean, it's pretty obvious that when you look into them, they were involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

• 45:08Shawn Ryan?

  How were they involved?

• 45:09Nick Bryant?

  I think that they were probably involved in molesting young girls. I mean, that's my surmise on that. And and according to internal documents that were that the lawyers for the Epstein victims were able to acquire, JP Morgan definitely knew what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. Now, how would JP Morgan know that unless some of those executives were taking part in it? I mean, it doesn't make any sense that JP Morgan would not know about it.

• 45:49Nick Bryant?

  So if the, you know, if those individuals like I've just named weren't involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

• 45:57Shawn Ryan?

  Were those names involved in the lawsuit? Were they were they mentioned in the lawsuit?

• 46:01Nick Bryant?

  They were mentioned, yes.

• 46:03Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 46:04Nick Bryant?

  But it wasn't it wasn't explicit. But they were mentioned, yeah.

• 46:12Nick Bryant?

  And then Deutsche Bank is also

• 46:17Nick Bryant?

  the same, the same type of thing. They were aware of Jeffrey Epstein. And they're going to give up millions of dollars too. I think they're only going to give up 75 million.

• 46:28Shawn Ryan?

  That's it?

• 46:29Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 46:29Shawn Ryan?

  How many? How many victims is this going to be dispersed to?

• 46:35Nick Bryant?

  We don't, I don't really know those numbers yet.

• 46:42Nick Bryant?

  But what's, what's, there's multiple tragedies here.

• 46:48Nick Bryant?

  But one of the major tragedies is 290 million dollars isn't even going to dent J P Morgan.

• 46:55Shawn Ryan?

  I'm, I'm well aware, but I totally agree with you. That's nothing.

• 46:59Nick Bryant?

  I mean, it's, it's like you are me getting like a parking ticket.

• 47:06Nick Bryant?

  It's so that's a tragedy. It's a tragedy that those executives are molesting these girls. It's, it's a, it's a tragedy that a number of people at those banks knew that those executives were molesting those girls, that those girls were getting molested. And it's a tragedy that they're only giving up 290 million dollars. The whole, the whole thing is a tragedy. But here's the thing with that is

• 47:33Nick Bryant?

  it's these little girls. I mean, they're, they're the ones that are going to be scarred for the rest of their lives. Even if they get millions of dollars. I mean, if, if you talk to some of them,

• 47:47Nick Bryant?

  they're, they're, they're, they're damaged. I mean, they're going to be damaged. I mean, and I'm, I'm not saying that, you know, because I respect them. The ones that I've met, I respect. I really, you know, care for them. I like them. But, um, but they're, there's a damage there that, I mean, they've, they've got scars on their soul.

• 48:08Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, when you rape an 11 year old kid.

• 48:11Nick Bryant?

  Yes.

• 48:14Shawn Ryan?

  There's nothing that's going to get them over that amount of trauma.

• 48:18Nick Bryant?

  No, and, and actually.

• 48:20Shawn Ryan?

  You've ruined their entire [__] life.

• 48:24Nick Bryant?

  And, and actually, if you meet a woman in South Africa who's 20 years old, and then you fly her to Epstein Island and she's forced to commit all kinds of things that she never would have otherwise. I mean, she's, you know, she's not gonna, she's not gonna have like the, maybe the psychiatric damage of an 11 year old, like with dissociation, but she's gonna be damaged too. I mean, none of the, and, and that's the thing that the media. These girls and these young women were, all of them were very damaged by this. And we don't hear about that in the media.

• 49:08Nick Bryant?

  We don't, we don't, there's no cover stories of, of these victims in the media. And, and, and the damage that they've had to endure, there's none of that. I mean, we're, we just hear salacious dirt that Jeffrey Epstein met Bill Gates in 2011, or that Jeffrey Epstein hung out with Harvey Weinstein here and, you know. But it's just, the, the, the media is just, just giving us salacious dirt. They're not demanding for any kind of justice.

• 49:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, they're, they're, they're.

• 49:48Shawn Ryan?

  They're just trying to save face by throwing a random piece of bullshit out about it, like, oh yeah, we touched the subject.

• 49:55Nick Bryant?

  And, but I, I don't know if it's, I mean, it elicits a readership too. I mean, there's, and, and that's the thing. What I'm doing with Epstein Justice is, and I gotta say this, the media have, have just been ethical eunuchs about this whole thing. They, they, they haven't really cared about the destruction of all these girls. But they're keeping Jeffrey Epstein front page center, they're keeping him alive. They're reporting about him every day.

• 50:24Nick Bryant?

  So, America, I mean, he's fresh in the minds. Now, if he had died four years ago, and the media had just stopped completely reporting about him, I would not be able to start Epstein Justice, because Americans would have forgot. But they've kept Jeffrey Epstein fresh in the minds of Americans. And there's enough Americans out there that are outraged. That's why Epstein Justice is so important, is we need to get Americans together, and we need a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. We need the perpetrators to be punished, and we also need to know why our government allowed perpetrators to molest underage girls. We need to know that. The government has to tell us. I have a pretty good idea of why, but we need the government to tell us that. That's what a Truth and

• 51:09Nick Bryant?

  Reconciliation Commission is about.

• 51:11Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about Sarah Kellen, an associate of Epstein, and once looked at it being charged with similar crimes as Maxwell, but has never been arrested. I've never even heard of her.

• 51:24Nick Bryant?

  Sarah Kellen was, um, she was like Maxwell's first lieutenant. And she did everything that Maxwell did. And she's a vicious, vicious woman. And actually, when the Palm Beach Police Department was going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein, they had those five girls that had come forward, that they had statements from. They were going to arrest Sarah Kellen, too. They felt like Sarah Kellen had participated enough that they were going to arrest her. Nothing has happened to Sarah Kellen. Actually, I called Sarah Kellen, because I had the

• 52:08Nick Bryant?

  black book, I figured I'd, you know, I'd give her a call. And she just, basically, she complained to me about how the media had persecuted her.

• 52:21Shawn Ryan?

  Did she have any?

• 52:24Shawn Ryan?

  Did she have any ties like Maxwell's father?

• 52:27Nick Bryant?

  Not that we know of. I think she just comes from boy trash. And um, she, I mean, I'm sure that she

• 52:38Nick Bryant?

  sexually catered to Epstein at one point, and then Epstein said, well, you know, she's pretty smart and ruthless, so I'm gonna use her too.

• 52:46Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think they never went after her?

• 52:49Nick Bryant?

  They never went after any of the procurers, except for Maxwell. The New York Times named six procurers. I mean, Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Groff, Haley Robinson. They were all named by, they're right there in the New York Times. Named. And how, if this was real justice, if there were real justice here, it would be like a Rico indictment, how the mafia was taken apart. You take the little, the little fish, and child trafficking is a 15-year-to-life sentence. So, you indict Sarah Kellen on 10 counts of child trafficking,

• 53:32Nick Bryant?

  which wouldn't be that difficult. If, I mean, you could probably indict her on 20 or 30, but just indict her on 5 or 10. Have her look at, you know, 5 to 10 lifetimes in prison, she's gonna roll over on the perpetrators. Everybody's gonna, anybody that's looking at 5 to 10 lifetimes in prison is gonna roll over on the perpetrators. You could have done that with all these procurers, which are essentially pimps. You could have done that with all of them. And they're right, and a bunch of them are named right there in the New York Times. And none of them have had any problems at all. And actually, Epstein

• 54:15Nick Bryant?

  paid them all very well. And they still have their money from, that they made from Epstein.

• 54:25Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about Juliet Bryant. You've mentioned her a couple of times during the interview.

• 54:32Nick Bryant?

  Juliet Bryant was a victim of Epstein. I talked to her, she was in, she was from South Africa. And she was with, Epstein flew her to New York. And she kind of settled in and then they told her that she was going out to the island. So, but she was in the New Mexico, Epstein's New Mexico ranch. And now, I'm a little fuzzy, but she kind of passed out or went to sleep. And then she came to, she says in a laboratory.

• 55:12Nick Bryant?

  And that there was a doctor that was harvesting, like in a hazmat suit almost, harvesting her ovens. And I've always thought, Dolly, the sheep was cloned in 1997. If you can clone a sheep, you can clone a human being. And actually, people are getting like their French Bulldogs cloned. For like $60,000. But it's estimated that you can clone a human being for $1.5 million. So, and, and, and I knew when Dolly got cloned, the sheep, there's got to be megalomaniac billionaires out there that are cloning themselves.

• 55:57Nick Bryant?

  There's just, there's just gotta be. And, and that Epstein crew, I would not surprise if Juliet Bryant's ovens were getting harvested because those sick, twisted megalomaniacs are cloning themselves.

• 56:13Shawn Ryan?

  You think that these people are cloning themselves?

• 56:17Nick Bryant?

  It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, what would, okay, so what would prevent you from cloning yourself? Ethics would be one thing. But these people don't have any ethics. So, so then it's just a matter of money. And what's $1.5 million to these guys?

• 56:37Shawn Ryan?

  Nothing.

• 56:38Nick Bryant?

  So, unfortunately, there's going to be probably little Jeffrey Epstein's running around in 20 or 30 years.

• 56:50Nick Bryant?

  And that's kind of one of the last things we need.

• 56:56Shawn Ryan?

  Didn't he actually talk about spreading his DNA?

• 56:59Nick Bryant?

  He did, and he was also into transhumanism. So who knows what was going on there? I mean, I think like with Juliette Bryant's story where she felt like they were harvesting her organs, I think that that is Epstein, the cloning, the transhumanism. I think that that law enforcement, if law enforcement ever took this seriously, could dig there and would find out some very interesting stuff.

• 57:28Shawn Ryan?

  What exactly is transhumanism?

• 57:30Nick Bryant?

  Transhumanism is like combining, like being able to download someone's brain onto a computer chip, stuff like that. And now granted, we're probably not that far along with transhumanism, but you need people to, I mean, for transhumanism to go forward, we're going to need people to experiment with. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was going on. Because here's the thing, when you're molesting little girls, I mean, there's, there's no line in the sand of what you're willing to do

• 58:13Nick Bryant?

  and not willing to do. There's no ethics there. There, there's no morals there. You're going to do whatever you want, whatever makes you feel good. And that's epitomizes Jeffrey Epstein and his crew. They're doing, they're doing whatever they want and they're protected by the, by the federal government. So they can do whatever they want. It's pretty heinous.

• 58:38Shawn Ryan?

  Nick, I'm just going to run through a couple of questions here.

• 58:41Nick Bryant?

  Sure.

• 58:42Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think the names on Maxwell and Epstein's list have not been publicized? None of them.

• 58:50Nick Bryant?

  On their list?

• 58:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:53Nick Bryant?

  What, what list is that?

• 58:54Shawn Ryan?

  On the, on the black book, why do you think it's never been officially publicized by any of, I mean, you know, we hear about the Maxwell trial. Epstein supposedly killed himself, but, and...

• 59:11Shawn Ryan?

  But nobody's coming, there's no, not one person has been charged with pedophilia.

• 59:20Nick Bryant?

  Well, I mean, that's, that's our government. I mean, I mean, our government has done everything it possibly can to cover up all these crimes. And that's why we need a truth and reconciliation commission. I mean, we, the American people, have to force the government to actually pursue these crimes and then go after these perpetrators and then tell us why they're protecting these perpetrators. We need that too. We need a why, although I have a pretty good idea of why, but we need the government to tell us why, so this doesn't occur anymore. This happened with

• 1:00:02Nick Bryant?

  the Franklin scandal, it's happened with Epstein, it's happened in a lot of different places. We have to make sure that our government doesn't cover up child abuse anymore, child trafficking.

• 1:00:16Nick Bryant?

  We have to make sure that our government has that fundamental level of decency to not cover up child trafficking. I mean, that should be a line in the sand that should never be crossed by our government.

• 1:00:32Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think the government enabled Epstein to commit these crimes over the years?

• 1:00:37Nick Bryant?

  Absolutely.

• 1:00:38Shawn Ryan?

  Reports of, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there reports of CIA directors staying at his New York town home?

• 1:00:47Nick Bryant?

  Oh, I mean, yeah, I mean, there was a lot of people that stayed with, with Epstein. Actually, Woody Allen and Epstein were good friends, two ethical eunuchs. There's pictures of Woody Allen and Jeffrey Epstein walking down the street together. Like, there's pictures of Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein walking down the street together. But what we have to do is...

• 1:01:16Nick Bryant?

  Make sure that the government pursues justice here. We cannot sit back and say, okay, yep, Jeffrey Epstein and all his buddies, we're gonna let them molest all these girls with impunity because they have power and they have money. We can't do that. I mean, this is a nation of laws. Laws have to apply to everybody, regardless of how poor someone is, regardless of how rich someone is. The law has to apply to everybody. This isn't about... Unfortunately, we live in a system where it's often the best justice money can buy. But in this situation, the laws have to apply to

• 1:01:56Nick Bryant?

  everybody across the board. And you get into a very dangerous area as far as a society when you say, well, this law applies to him, but it doesn't apply to him. That's a... When you get into that type of moral relativism, it's very, very dangerous. And that's where we're at right now, is that type of moral legal relativism.

• 1:02:23Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about some of the hidden cameras that have been... Were there hidden cameras at literally every property?

• 1:02:31Nick Bryant?

  Yes, we know about hidden cameras. The first glimpse of hidden cameras came when the Palm Beach Police Department executed the search warrant on Epstein's Palm Beach house in 2006. Now Epstein had been warned that that search warrant was getting executed, but he didn't get rid of all his hidden cameras because the Palm Beach Police Department found hidden cameras. Now, in his New York digs, in that huge townhouse he had, there was an actual room with multiple monitors. Earlier, I was talking about Craig Spence of the Franklin scandal had a room of monitors.

• 1:03:11Nick Bryant?

  Okay, so Maria Farmer, and also there was one other victim that was brought into the room by Epstein. And there were guys, as in multiple men...

• 1:03:27Nick Bryant?

  Looking at the monitors and and the monitors had all the bedrooms and all the bathrooms. And it was Virginia Goffrey and who was also told about who was also shown the room. So that's a conspiracy right there. I mean, you've got guys sitting in this secret room, looking at monitors. I mean, that shows that there's people colluding with Jeffrey Epstein as far as like the blackmail. I mean, that's a smoking gun right there. But then his the island was wired for audio bishop blackmail. There was an article in Vanity Fair where Maxwell had said that there's blackmail involved.

• 1:04:12Nick Bryant?

  Or a friend of Maxwell's had said that about and with New Mexico. Yeah. It's everywhere where Jeffrey Epstein pandered minors, there was there was cameras.

• 1:04:28Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you think all this footage is now? Do you think it's with the FBI? Do you think it's with the CIA? Do you think it's?

• 1:04:33Nick Bryant?

  It's either the FBI or the CIA, one or the other.

• 1:04:37Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think people are still actively? Who did the blackmail get passed on to?

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• 1:05:17Nick Bryant?

  FBI or CIA? I mean, that now we're not talking, we're talking in some dark malignant corner.

• 1:05:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's still got to be, I guess what I'm getting at is it's still, the blackmail is still being utilized by somebody. I mean, it's very obvious it's a blackmail operation. So what I'm asking is, you know, Epstein's dead supposedly and.

• 1:05:40Shawn Ryan?

  So who's controlling the blackmail?

• 1:05:43Nick Bryant?

  It's that dark malignant corner of intelligence that did the Franklin scandal, that oversaw Epstein. There is some dark malignant corner. I don't even, you really can't call it the CIA because it's, there's a lot of people in the CIA that are decent people. And you really can't call it the FBI because I do believe that there are decent people in the FBI too. But there's some dark corner of our intelligence that has that information. But what's troubling is that dark corner has the power to make a US attorney stand down.

• 1:06:26Nick Bryant?

  When only constitutionally, the president and the attorney general can make a US attorney stand down. So that dark corner of intelligence, that malignant dark corner of intelligence harnesses a tremendous amount of power. But I don't think it's that many people. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, how many people can it be? I mean, how many, how many people can, I mean, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000?

• 1:06:53Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I don't know. It's, it's, what's interesting to me is, is, you know, I've worked in operations where there's classified information and several of them. And, you know, the more people you tell, the more likely there's going to be a leak. And when we talk about the, you know, the operation, and I'm green to this. You've been digging into this for 20 plus years, correct?

• 1:07:19Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Shawn Ryan?

  And, and, you know, you said it yourself, you've got pilots, you've got, you've got really low level people that were involved one way or another. I mean, you have the people that were on, you have the people that...

• 1:07:38Shawn Ryan?

  We're on the runway. It's, you know what I mean? That's the, the directive, the plane to take off. You have the pilots, you have whoever was cleaning the properties. You, you know, you have all these low level type people that, that know what's going on. But yet they've managed to silence all of them. And then you have, you know, all the way up to everybody that partook in it. That black book, I don't know how many names are in there. There's gotta be a ton of them, you know, I've, I've seen different things. I don't know what's real and what's not anymore on the internet. So I don't want to give any sources, but you, I've seen documents that have lists of just names, lots and lots of names.

• 1:08:21Shawn Ryan?

  And, and those people are all silent. Then we're talking about four different countries that have been involved with Epstein. They're all silent. And, and so it's, it's, it's almost a miracle that more isn't out on this.

• 1:08:38Nick Bryant?

  Well, that's just because.

• 1:08:39Shawn Ryan?

  So many people involved.

• 1:08:40Nick Bryant?

  That, that, that's because our government has made sure.

• 1:08:43Shawn Ryan?

  That's this, this government though.

• 1:08:45Nick Bryant?

  It's, and, and actually I think the Brits and the French have followed, I mean, Jean-Luc Brunel, who was one of the pedophiles that he ran a, a modeling agency for Epstein and he was responsible for funneling underage Eastern European girls to that Epstein network. Um, the French came after him, but he hung himself in a cell. So, uh, and then we know about certainly Prince Andrew's role in Epstein. I mean, he gave Virginia Gu free millions of dollars. Or his mother did. I mean, it's kind of weird that he's getting bailed out by his mother. Still he's 60 years old. I guess that's how things work in the royal family.

• 1:09:27Nick Bryant?

  But anyway, uh, law enforcement isn't going to pursue people in the UK. I mean, Jean-Luc Brunel, who hung himself in a, in a French cell. I mean, he, he was, he was instrumental to Jeffrey Epstein's network. But the French don't seem to be interested in, you know, why he hung himself or who he was facilitating. Um, so our, our government has done a real good job of.

• 1:10:02Nick Bryant?

  Making sure that there's no investigation.

• 1:10:04Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think, do you think he killed himself?

• 1:10:09Nick Bryant?

  You know, um, okay, so I've talked to people that have been at that prison and they say that there's no way that, um, especially because he tried to kill himself earlier.

• 1:10:24Shawn Ryan?

  He did, where?

• 1:10:25Nick Bryant?

  At that prison and then they put him in, uh, the, the, I've been told that there's no way if you're on suicide watch, you can kill yourself in that prison. But I try not to get bogged down in that because that's not really the issue here. Whether or not he killed, I mean, i- if he killed himself or didn't kill himself, I mean, that's just one more component of corruption. The really important issue is we have our government aiding and abetting child trafficking. That is the issue that we need to take care of, um, not whether or not Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Um, we need to take care of the government has got to come clean, has got to indict these perpetrators and it's also got to come clean why it's doing this.

• 1:11:10Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I'm with you. I, I do, I do think it's a big piece of the puzzle. I mean, like I said earlier, you know, the, the, the judge that they tried to assassinate, you know, I think they, did they kill her husband and her son?

• 1:11:24Nick Bryant?

  Her husband and her son were, and then he, uh, supposedly killed himself.

• 1:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Nick Bryant?

  Um, and then, and then it was, and then it was done. There wasn't, there was any mention in the news anymore about any of it.

• 1:11:37Shawn Ryan?

  That was, that was the assassination attempt on the judge. That was about a 24 hour news cycle before that was launched.

• 1:11:44Nick Bryant?

  Yes.

• 1:11:45Shawn Ryan?

  I'd love to get that judge on here, but, um.

• 1:11:48Nick Bryant?

  I would too. I'd be very reluctant. I, I, I think that you'd be very reluctant to talk.

• 1:11:55Shawn Ryan?

  But what do you, I mean, what do you, so we know it was a blackmail operation, obviously. What do you think, you know, after everything you've dug into, what do you, what is the blackmail operation? What is it for? Is it just power? Is there a specific agenda? And where, I mean, we already have multiple lines of connections here with the US government, with the Israeli government, with the, with the, with UK.

• 1:12:27Shawn Ryan?

  With France, you know, what is the, who's running this?

• 1:12:32Nick Bryant?

  Okay, so.

• 1:12:32Shawn Ryan?

  Who is, I think what I'm getting at is it sounds like Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset for, for, in international intelligence asset.

• 1:12:46Nick Bryant?

  It's, it's possible, yeah. I mean, I think that the CI was certainly involved, uh, and probably Israeli intelligence too.

• 1:12:56Nick Bryant?

  It's the, I, I do believe, and, you know, I hate buzzwords and stuff like that, but you can call it the medical or the military intelligence complex. Um, why do we spend so much money on the military compared to anybody else? Why do we sell far more weaponry than anybody else? Why does our government, uh, uh, Kellin Ronan wrote in Afghanistan? That Afghanistan war went on for 20 years and these private military contractors made billions of dollars.

• 1:13:39Nick Bryant?

  Um, DynCorp, another military contractor. DynCorp was actually trafficking girls, underage girls in the Balkans. Uh, got busted. There, there was a movie made about it with Myra Servino.

• 1:13:57Nick Bryant?

  Didn't, DynCorp didn't skip a beat. That wasn't even a speed bump for DynCorp.

• 1:14:02Shawn Ryan?

  I've never heard of that.

• 1:14:03Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, so this is the problem is you've got the people at the upper echelon in the military, in the intelligence and probably in finance too. That there's a collusion and this is another reason why we need a truth and reconciliation commission.

• 1:14:23Shawn Ryan?

  So what do you think the goal is? Is it control?

• 1:14:26Nick Bryant?

  It's, it's control and power.

• 1:14:29Nick Bryant?

  I mean, that's, that's always been the goal for, for any autocrat or immoral government is controlling power.

• 1:14:39Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you have to be thinking about this as you're digging into this stuff. I mean, who, who's the puppet master?

• 1:14:44Nick Bryant?

  I think that there are probably, uh, I don't think that there's one single guy. I mean, I, I look at it as like the media. There's six corporations that control, it's estimated 90% of the media that Americans imbibe. Um, and they have, they, they all work it out. I mean, they make sure that there's certain truths that don't come out. Um, and I think that there, there are probably groups of people, um, that work the same

• 1:15:27Nick Bryant?

  way, that, that, that have the power. And, and I think that they're in the military, they're in intelligence and probably finance too. And that's why our government, we need to know why. We, we need, the, the American people need to know why Jeffrey Epstein's perpetrators aren't indicted and we gotta make sure that they get indicted. We've gotta know why the government is covering up so this doesn't recur. And, and who's it covering up for? Um, other, other than these perpetrators?

• 1:16:07Nick Bryant?

  I mean, these are, these are fundamental questions that the American people need to know. We need to know this about our government. We cannot let this just slide and think it's gonna get better. That, oh, we'll, we'll just forget about this and, you know, in 20 years, things are gonna be better. I mean, our politics are really corrupted and we ostensibly have a two-party system.

• 1:16:38Nick Bryant?

  But Jesse Ventura, the former governor of Minnesota, he says it's just like professional wrestling. He said, "We sound antagonistic, but that's just part of the script. We're getting paid by the same people." He said, "Politics and professional wrestling are basically one and the same thing."

• 1:16:55Shawn Ryan?

  It's all theatrics.

• 1:16:56Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Shawn Ryan?

  The big uniparty.

• 1:16:58Nick Bryant?

  Yes. And, and I've, I've come to believe that. I, at this point, I would, I've voted for a Republican or a Democrat for years. And I mean, I'd, you know, I'd like to be able to vote for a Republican or a Democrat, but I don't trust. And we've got 435 representatives, and we've got 100 senators. I'm not aware of any representatives, I'm not aware of any senators, that have called for a truth and reconciliation commission into the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. 535 federal legislators, not a single one, regardless

• 1:17:40Nick Bryant?

  if they're Republican or Democrat, has called for any kind of truth and reconciliation commission into Jeffrey Epstein. 535. I mean, that's pretty astounding, when you think about it, that all our federal legislators are willing to let this slide.

• 1:17:58Shawn Ryan?

  Well, the next one I have on here, I'm gonna ask him. I will. I'll put him on the spot. What am I missing? What's something I should be asking you that I haven't asked you?

• 1:18:08Nick Bryant?

  Um, I just think it's really important that the truth and reconciliation commission, that Epstein justice is embraced by enough Americans so that we can have a truth and reconciliation commission. That is the only way that I think that we're going to be able to heal our government. Our, our government is, is, is sick. Our government, i- i- it's, it's a cancer. It's metastasized. And you, there, you fight disease, there's, there's three, there's three critical stages fighting disease. First, you need awareness of it,

• 1:18:49Nick Bryant?

  then you need acceptance, and then you need action. So Epstein justice, we, we have awareness.

• 1:18:59Nick Bryant?

  We need the American people to accept how corrupt it is. A lot of them have, but we need, we need the American people en masse, and then we need action. Awareness, acceptance, and action.

• 1:19:10Shawn Ryan?

  So EpsteinJustice.com is a 501(c) nonprofit organization dedicated to establishing truth, exposing the corruption, and compensating the victims of Epstein. You can sign the petition and contact your representatives. Do you guys make it easy by chance to?

• 1:19:28Nick Bryant?

  Well, actually, we've got a form letter there, and people just have to put their name in, and then, and where they're, where they live, and then it'll go, and then they just hit submit, and it'll go right to the representatives, the federal representatives.

• 1:19:43Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, so it's automatic? All you have to do is just boom, and then it gets to where it needs to go?

• 1:19:47Nick Bryant?

  Yeah, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.

• 1:19:49Shawn Ryan?

  And you put that together?

• 1:19:50Nick Bryant?

  Gave us that.

• 1:19:51Shawn Ryan?

  You and your team did?

• 1:19:52Nick Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:53Shawn Ryan?

  That's amazing.

• 1:19:53Nick Bryant?

  Well, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation gave us that software. So that was awesome. And then, what we have to do is just really press. This is, this is an issue that we just really have to press. And, because every American knows, I mean, I think most Americans know, that something is wrong with our country, something is wrong with our government. People, people know that, and I think that this is going to be our best opportunity to fix the pathological problems that are involved in our government at this point. This is going to be our best opportunity in our, in our lifetimes.

• 1:20:32Shawn Ryan?

  I think the only way to save it is to get people running who don't want to run. The only guy that I know, that I really respect and trust in there right now, is Eli Crane. You know, and he's even voted against his own...

• 1:20:50Shawn Ryan?

  Well, how do I say this? I mean, the guy's even.

• 1:20:55Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, he, he, he voted. He votes for who, what the people that elected him. Want him to vote for. And he's the only one in there that I know that. Does that? I mean, he voted against what he wanted to do. Because the people that voted at him said. We don't want that. We want this. And one against his own intuition, you know, and, and. That's about. I mean, you just don't hear that anymore.

• 1:21:22Nick Bryant?

  Epstein Justice needs people. Like that. We, we need. Politicians that aren't corrupt.

• 1:21:31Nick Bryant?

  We need people to come forward in federal law enforcement that aren't corrupt.

• 1:21:36Nick Bryant?

  We need the American people to get behind this. And. We really need. To clean out our government.

• 1:21:45Nick Bryant?

  Anybody in our government that has anything to do with this.

• 1:21:50Nick Bryant?

  Really needs to, to, to leave. And, and, yeah, we do need new people. But we need, we need people coming in. In a system that's not thoroughly perfidious and corrupt. Which is the system we have now of blackmail. That seems to be the checks and balances of our. Political system is blackmail. So we need new people in politics. But we also need them to come into a system that isn't. Just categorically corrupt.

• 1:22:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I'm with you. I think that's. Going to be extremely difficult to accomplish, but. Got to keep a little hope.

• 1:22:30Nick Bryant?

  So. You've got kids.

• 1:22:35Nick Bryant?

  Do we want our kids growing up in this world?

• 1:22:38Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:22:39Nick Bryant?

  I mean, people have to not only think of themselves, but they have to think of their children as, as growing up in this world. So it's important that we rectify this.

• 1:22:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming out and educating us on the topic and I hope to see you again. I'm going to keep hitting this topic. So any new developments you have, please contact me and I will be happy to have another conversation with you at any point in time about this subject because it's just enrages me.

• 1:23:12Nick Bryant?

  And thank you for having me. I enjoyed my tour of Tennessee. So thanks for having me.

• 1:23:19Shawn Ryan?

  It's my honor. Best of luck to you.