Ep. 739: Sunday Hunting and Sage Grouse | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Brody Henderson, Seth Morris, and Corinne Schneider chat Seth and Corinne's return from Africa, talk with Pennsylvania BHA's Adam Eckley about the recent lift on PA's Sunday hunting ban, run through a bucket list hunt Top 3, discuss all things sage grouse with Ted Koch of North American Grouse Partnership, and have YOU choose the winner of a fishy Hot Tip-off. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:38Speaker 02

  Smell off now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. I'm your host, Brody Henderson, and I'm joined today by Corinne Schneider and Seth Morris. It's 11 o'clock here in Bozeman, and it's 9 a.m. out on Prince of Wales Island. We were just talking about going out to the fish shack, so that's what time it is out there. That's that we're headed out there soon. Today, we're going to be talking with Adam Eckley from Pennsylvania Backcountry Hunters and Anglers about Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania. We're going to talk with Ted Cook from the North American Grouse Partnership about sage grouse and some other, some other stuff. And we'll also be sharing a hot tip-off, and we're going to do a crew top three segment.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Before we get to all that stuff, I gotta let you know that it's time for round two of our Moultrie Trail Cam Photo Contest. Yeah, yeah. This one is a little different than the last one, which is like weird, funny photos. This, this time, we want your best velvet buck trail cam photo. So I've been driving to work lately, and I drive through a couple miles of farm country, you know, and there's this one alfalfa field where there's three. Like really nice velvet whitetail bucks right now and I like I'm surprised like how far along they were in my antler development. Three big ones, man, and they'll never get

• 4:24Speaker 03

  shot. They're living where they won't get hunted. Um, but anyway, send us your velvet buck trail cam photos. Um, this time we're doing it different. Um, you need to, to go to the meat eater.com website and look for trail cam photo contest. We'll have an article up there and you submit through that. Um, and this is all for next week's show, July 31st. Next, I'm not even sure. I think we got like some, some Southerners in here for that show, don't we Phil?

• 4:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think we do. We got, we got Clay and Tony and is it?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Oh, not, we just got one Southerner.

• 5:01Speaker 05

  Oh, I was gonna say, if you got all Southerners, you're gonna need like a translator in here.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Um, some big whitetail guys. Let's call, let's say that. Bit big whitetail guys in here next week. Um, so we'll, we'll see what we get, what, what, what comes in for those photos and we'll select a few of them and those guys are gonna pick a winner and you'll get an awesome, uh, package from Multry and some of our other partners.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  That sounds like a really nice, uh, winning.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  You know, I've never owned a trail cam.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  Oh. Really?

• 5:32Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Well, I'm with you there too, so.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  My wife wants me, my wife wants me to get one just to put next to the bird feeder.

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 5:39Speaker 05

  That'd be fun to watch.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, anyway, you guys are back, back from safari in Tanzania, Africa.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Feels like we've been, we were gone forever.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  For a lifetime, back and bitten. How are your, uh, tsetse fly bites healing up Seth?

• 5:58Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm, I'm all good on the tsetse fly front.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  You know, I gotta, I thought you mentioned those things. When I was a kid, there's this thing that like. If you got bit by a Tzatzie fly, you were just gonna fall over and just be dead.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Really? It was like this weird thing like surrounding Tzatzie flies. Is it, how do you, do you say Tzatzie or Tetzie or what?

• 6:20Speaker 00

  I've heard.

• 6:20Speaker 05

  I heard both, yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 00

  I.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  And use both.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just remember it like, oh my god, you're gonna die if you go there and get bit by a Tzatzie fly.

• 6:28Speaker 05

  Well, we would be most certainly dead if that was the case.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  Six feet under.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  We got bit by hundreds.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Is it like a painful bite?

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  Some of them hurts when they get you, it hurts like afterwards.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  It depends, what's your experience?

• 6:42Speaker 05

  When they bite you, it's like getting electrocuted.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  For some reason.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Are they like the size of a housefly?

• 6:49Speaker 00

  They're a bit bigger, like horsefly, yeah, yeah. And they're hard to kill, like they have pretty tough exoskeletons, so we were told to slap and schmear. And that's how you like kill them against the surface.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Are they slow enough you can get them?

• 7:05Speaker 05

  No, apparently, apparently, this is what Rick Smith was telling me. Apparently, when you go to slap them, they can feel the pressure change. And they fly, so it was kinda hard to just like smack them.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Um, I.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  You have to wait for them to like.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  I, I found it coming in from the side. And like almost grabbing them out of the air when they go to take off, that was like the best way to get them.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Well, you survived the, the Tzatzie fly, fly attacks.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  To a lot of antihistamines.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  Um, oh, elephant shit, burning old elephant shit in like a bucket.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  Like a insect repellent type thing.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  It was like the best repellent that we.

• 7:42Speaker 00

  That is the hot tip from.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Nature provides, right?

• 7:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  Um, Seth, before you left, man, you were not too excited to be going on that trip. You were bombed.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Missing walleye season, all that.

• 7:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  But, so I gotta ask you, like, after spending more than two weeks there, like, what's your opinion now?

• 8:04Speaker 05

  Um, so, yeah, overall, it was a cool trip. Um, the coolest part was just seeing the culture and, and like hanging out with the people there, the trackers and stuff. The whole safari hunting thing is still, it's not my cup of tea. Our experience, I will say, was probably different than most people's experience because we, so how the safari went, there was, uh, there was two vehicles. Front one had Steve and the camera dudes and trackers and then the back vehicle, which Corinne and I spent all of our time in was like the overflow vehicle. And you just drive around for 11 hours a day, just eating dust like you won't believe.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, you guys are in the.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  We didn't see shit because like the front vehicle spooks all the animals before you get there. It's just. It was.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  So they had a different experience.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  They had a different experience than what we experienced. So.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  It was, you know, anyone I think probably going on safari at various, various countries in Africa would probably have more of a first vehicle experience than our second vehicle. Experience, um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, at the, we were, we were in an area the size of, uh, Yellowstone.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:17Speaker 00

  National Park, right? And you can't, you can't exactly just set off from camp and imagine to get very far and like do spot and stalk.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  It's, you know, you close the distance between you and game. Yep. And you're looking for tracks and then following tracks. So the, the method's a bit different.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  So there was days where like, you know, the, the front vehicle would be like, oh, we saw this, this, this, this, and this. And we were like, yeah, we saw like some grasshoppers and a couple of birds.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  We focused on a, uh, praying mantis. We had a lot of fun watching Sally.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, um, do you have any like, Seth, did you have any like, like the coolest or most surprising mo- moment or experience? So like, would you say it was the culture? Was there something that stuck out for you?

• 10:06Speaker 05

  It was totally the culture. Yeah. We went to a village the one day and, and gave some meat to a family that, um, one of the guys who worked for Robert, Robert Hertz Savaries, um, he had what 16 kids?

• 10:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, 14 or 16 up there. All, all this.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  And so we went to the local village where they lived and dropped meat off to that family the one day and that was cool.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um.

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Corinne, I heard there, or if, maybe you guys weren't present when this, this happened, but I gotta bring it up, just because who, who was involved. Um, there were some run-ins with some potentially deadly creatures. Uh, Dirtmyth, who famously, like, rode on top of the back of a charging brown bear for a short period of time, also got charged by a black mamba on this trip.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, they, they come for him, so, we weren't, the, one of the deadly snakes that we did see, uh, was a puff adder, it's a very slow-moving, large, fat, green snake.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  They're like an ambush, they just sit there, yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, it was kind of, you know, going across the road and going back into, into cover, and we, we, we kept our distance, but that, apparently, if you do get bitten, like, you're, you're done.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  Um, and the black mamba incident, we were not, uh, present for, we were... Yeah, that was a front, front vehicle experience. Yeah, exactly.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  Which is okay, that's fine.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Dirt, um...

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Because those things are like, super aggressive, like, they'll chase you, right?

• 11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, just, just hearing, um, uh, just hearing people describe what the behavior tendencies of this snake are, it's terrifying, because you don't really think of a snake as being like, an attack predator, you know? Um, and so, this snake kind of got, like, it, I guess, it was, um, they're, they're territorial around their area, so I guess, the first truck, you know, it felt threatened by the first truck, as it was like, crossing the road, and then it apparently turned around, and, and, and stood up, and almost got on like, the, the front, uh, hood of, of the truck, and Dirt was, um,

• 12:19Speaker 00

  I guess, sitting on the roof rack and, and filming, um, so, that, that was the scare there, and, and then, uh... And then the the snake turned around apparently and like one of the trackers ran after it. That's that's what we saw like Salamani with a with a with a stick and a and a machete. Or was it just the stick? Yeah, he was he was looking for it.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  No, thanks, man.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally. No, thanks.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Crazy. Well, I'm sure we'll be getting a lot of good footage from all that stuff at some point.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, that will uh those episodes will probably drop what this winter, right?

• 12:57Speaker 05

  I think so. Yeah, whenever season thirteen drops. Yeah, there's two or three episodes.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  So stay tuned, guys.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  Well, cool. We should probably uh move on to other stuff, Phil. Do we got Adam on the line yet?

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Adam's on the line.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry. I thought you were gonna queue him up first. There he is.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  I'll queue him up now. Um, we've got Adam Eckley, who is the Pennsylvania BHA Chapter Chair here with us today. And Adam, man, let's get straight to the big news out of Pennsylvania. Um, for for all the people out there who like aren't aware, um, going back many decades, Adam may know the exact time period, but I think it's maybe a hundred years back. Um, Sunday hunting was illegal in Pennsylvania and under what's called a blue law, which is like these these laws that were originally implemented to ban certain activities on Sundays to encourage

• 13:56Speaker 03

  church attendance. There there's some other details surrounding blue laws, but that's like ba- the basic gist of it. Um, and in recent years, there's been a big push to legalize Sun- Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania. Um, and I think a few years ago, um, they finally got like through state legislators finally approved Sunday hunting for three Sundays each fall. Adam, is that correct?

• 14:26Speaker 06

  That's correct, yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  Um, and now finally, just a couple of weeks ago, Pennsylvania's governor signed a bill into law that allows hunting on all Sundays. And it's a really big win for hunters, especially like working stiffs and school age kids who who can only hunt on weekends. So, um, Adam, tell us about like the role that BHA played in in getting this legislation passed.

• 14:54Speaker 06

  Sure thing. Thanks, Brody. So the BHA Pennsylvania Chapter, we are really the first national level organization to put out a statement on this subject in Pennsylvania. So a little history and a little bit of how we kind of we got to where we are. 2017, the newly formed BHA Pennsylvania Chapter identifies Sunday hunting as our top legislative priority. 2018, the chapter releases a statement on Sunday hunting. We had chapter leaders speak out at a Sunday hunting meeting at the Pennsylvania Game Commission Headquarters. 2018, 2019, at the Great American Outdoor Show, we had multiple parents of young kids stop by our booth

• 15:38Speaker 06

  specifically because of our stance on Sunday hunting. So we realized at this time, this is something that's really, really important to our members, and it's really important to Pennsylvania hunters. My predecessor, State Chair Don Rank, who now serves on the BHA National Board, personally promised a 10-year-old kid that we were going to get this done. And that kid is probably now eligible for an adult license, but here's where we are.

• 16:02Speaker 06

  So 2019, Senate Bill 147, that was Senator Dan Loughlin's bill, passes, which allows three Sundays open to Sunday hunting, starting in the 2020 and 2021 seasons. So we got a Sunday and archery season at Falls in November, which sort of coincides with the peak of the rut, which is awesome. We got the first Sunday of bear season, which is the second day of the season, so we have a full opening weekend for bear hunting, and also the first Sunday of our regular rifle deer season. So we get our first full weekend of deer hunting in Pennsylvania with a rifle. So I think that that was really the catalyst that kind of got the ball rolling. Then in 2021, our chapter received a donation, which helped pay for a full-time lobbyist,

• 16:47Speaker 06

  my good friend and mentor, John Klein, which our Pennsylvania Chapter now primarily funds on our own. So our chapter leaders really ramp up visits to the Capitol to garner support for a lot of different things, but primarily with the goal of pushing Sunday hunting across the goal line. Over this time, our membership responds to numerous calls to action. Legislators receive thousands of letters, emails, phone calls, and I think one of the main keys to success here in getting our legislators to understand how important this issue is to hunters was through that correspondence. 2022, we have Representative Mandy Steele out of Allegheny County who arrives in the

• 17:29Speaker 06

  House, and this is where it really gets interesting. So Senator Loughlin, he's a lifelong hunter from Northwestern PA. We have Representative Steele out of Allegheny County, which is, for all intents and purposes, Pittsburgh, and she's not even a hunter at this point. We've got bills coming from both chambers. We have from the House and from the Senate at this point, and BHA really jumped on board in support of Sunday hunting. Now, this is in 2024. We did have some reservations with some of the language. I personally testified for the House Game and Fisheries Committee last year and expressed both our support, but also some of our concerns in the spring.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  What, like, what concerns? What was in there that you were worried about a little bit?

• 18:12Speaker 06

  There were some things that were related to some of the things that, and I, you know, we can get into this as far as the role that farmers and agriculture kind of played in this, but there were some things that, from that side of the table, that they were looking for some things, some representation on the Game Commission Board and things like that, that we weren't necessarily really in favor of, and we pushed back pretty strongly on that.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:33Speaker 06

  Yep. So we were able to, you know, certainly have lots of conversations with all the different stakeholder groups, and we really arrived at a place where I think everybody could kind of come to the table and agree. So, but 2024, there was a lot of amendments that came into the end, in at the end, a lot of those, there was just, we weren't quite there yet, so it did fail to pass through both chambers in the last session.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  So, before you move on, I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit, and then we'll go back. Just so people are aware, because it's just like so foreign to people, like here in Montana or any other state where Sunday hunting's like always been legal, like, what are some of the things that the opposition is saying, like, this is why we shouldn't have Sunday hunting? Because I've heard some of the arguments in the past, and they're like, some of them are really like ludicrous, but like, what were they coming to these legislators saying, this is why we shouldn't have Sunday hunting?

• 19:38Speaker 06

  I've heard all kinds of things. I've heard stories of how bad trespassing is going to become by adding one more day to hunt. I've heard hunting accidents. I've heard that there'll be no whitetails left in Pennsylvania if we allow folks to hunt on Sundays.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, they can't even sell all the leftover doe tags that they have now.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, and all of those things have proven to be false. You know, we saw, you know, really no increase in hunting-related shooting incidents. You know, with harvest rates were pretty much, you know, on parallel with what neighboring, other neighboring states have had. I know, I know some of the things I've seen was like Ohio, Delaware, when they introduced Sunday hunting, they saw, you know, three or five percent maybe in that first year or two, and then everything kind of stabilized after that. They've got plenty of deer. I can personally attest to that, at least in Delaware, which I've hunted extensively. You know, plenty of deer in this state. Certainly when we added those three Sundays in Pennsylvania, lots and lots of whitetails left in the woods. So, you know, all the, all of those kinds of things that we had heard, really all of those proved to be false.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Great. So, moving on to 2025, like, tell us about this year.

• 20:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, so 2025 was a little bit different. So, we've got a lot of learnings, both, you know, hunting conservation groups, certainly us at BHA, we really understand kind of at this point, how this pathway has taken us, and we know what it's going to take to be able to get this thing through the legislature and onto the governor's desk. Representative Steele and Senator Loughlin introduced almost identical bills. I think we all knew, as I said, we all knew what it was going to take to get to this, this to the governor's desk. So, that language was, was already incorporated right out of the gate. We had strong support from BHA, from other hunting conservation groups. We had, at this point,

• 21:31Speaker 06

  we had the support of the agricultural community, specifically the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, and we had strong support from the Pennsylvania Game Commission. So, Representative Steele's House Bill 1431 becomes the official vessel for Sunday hunting.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  It flies through both chambers, July 9th, the governor signs it into law, which is for me, one of my most honorable moments in my entire hunting career. It's, I mean, I can't express the gratitude I have for everybody who worked on this bill and how much this is going to change. I would argue this might be the most significant change to hunting in Pennsylvania in my lifetime and in maybe many lifetimes.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure. Like, for people that can't wrap their head around it, like, when I was, both Seth and I grew up hunting in Pennsylvania. And, like, as a kid, like, with school and sports,

• 22:27Speaker 03

  like, hunting time is just, like, extremely limited. I'm sure it had to be the same way for you. Like, in the fall, I was going to practice after school. Like, maybe I'd get home in time to hunt for an hour before it got dark. You know, if you're, if you're in sports and you're doing something on Sunday, or maybe you've got a job or whatever, like, not having Sundays was just, like, brutal as a kid for me. I'm sure it had to be the same.

• 22:54Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. If you were, well, if you were back in those days, right, the right, if you were just a rifle hunter, the rifle season started on a Monday. And then, which most, most schools in Pennsylvania, you get that day off for the first two days off. So you got to hunt that. And then after that, you have two, you had two more weekends. So basically, if you were just a weekend warrior, you had two other days to hunt.

• 23:17Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like, for people, like, people out here in Montana, five weeks of rifle season, you know, it's crazy. Yeah, it's, it's a huge win, man. What, like, what is the, like, what's the vibe from the hunting community? Is it like, I assume everyone's like fist pumping and high-fiving out there?

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Oh, oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, I'm sure that there's, you know, there might be other opinions out there, but everything that I've seen, everything I've heard is 100% positive. I don't think I've talked to anyone who isn't completely stoked. As soon as this, as soon as this passed, got signed into law, my phone, my email lit up, my social media, everybody's stoked. Pennsylvania hunters have been calling for this change for a long time, and, and one of the really cool things is to see everybody so engaged. It's awesome to see hunters getting together and agreeing that this is something that we need to affect this change and jumping on board and signing those, those letters and making those phone calls and just getting engaged and just in conversation about

• 24:25Speaker 06

  how important this really is for all of us for opportunity. It's just, it's, everything has been positive from everyone I've talked to. And to actually, I guess, to add to that positivity, our game commissioners meet on July 28th. One of the top agenda items there, maybe the top agenda item is to add, I think it's a total of 10 more Sundays onto the calendar for the 2025 season. So if this goes through, which certainly we hope it's going to, from September through December, we're going to have a lot more Sundays to hunt.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  So explain that because like a lot of people probably saw the headline that the governor signs this into law, but it's like not been implemented yet, right? So like, it's still got like the regulations still have to change, the season dates have to be adjusted, things like that. So like, it's not like the board has to decide how this legalizing Sunday hunting is actually implemented?

• 25:27Speaker 06

  Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So the, the law repeals the ban on Sunday hunting, but it's of course left to our, our game commissioners, commissioners to make the decisions and to set our seasons and bag limits. So yeah, so they, they have to actually approve the changes on what Sundays we're going to hunt. So that's, that's really what their objective is there. And it also takes 60 days for the law to take effect. So once that 60 days is up, then they can actually put those Sundays into place. Once, once it officially becomes law.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  If that board of commissioners were to be like, you know, it's legal now, but we're only going to give you three more, like. They're gonna be like, there's gonna be like a revolt in Pennsylvania.

• 26:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, maybe, maybe. Yeah, hunters, hunters wanna hunt, right?

• 26:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So hopefully they do the right thing and just give you all 10 of those Sundays, which is, which is basically mean, you know, all fall, you can go hunt whenever you want.

• 26:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, which would, that, that would be awesome. I mean, it really means a lot to me personally. Um, of course, of course, I want to be in the woods as much as possible. I, I, I have two student athletes at home. So you know, my, my weekends are pretty well taken up, you know, I fall baseball, we've got soccer, all those kinds of things. So yeah, I want to be able to spend as much time in the woods as I can.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  For sure. Um, Adam, before we go, um, I want to give you a little time to, uh, plug BHA's muster in the mountains event that's coming up soon. You want to tell us about that?

• 26:57Speaker 06

  Absolutely, absolutely. So, uh, muster in the mountains, this is kind of our, uh, you know, kind of east coast rendezvous, if you will. Um, we have this August 1st to 3rd this year. Um, it's at West Hill Brewing in West Hill, New York. It's up in the Catskills. It's a beautiful area. Um, you come out, meet BHA Vice President of Operations Frankie McBurney Olson. Um, we've got some great events planned. We've got a 3D archery shoot. Um, the New York chapter is representing with some interesting demonstrations. They've got one on saddle hunting. I think they have one that I think is really cool on DIY taxidermy. Um, and the PHA chapter is going to be represented by my good friend Ethan Breiner,

• 27:38Speaker 06

  who's gonna do a flintlock, flintlock muzzleloader introduction. Um, I personally hunted flintlocks with Ethan. He's a guy who really knows his stuff. Um, he's a great instructor. I'm sure that that's gonna be a fantastic event. Um, and you can find details for that at backcountryhunters.org. Uh, go to our events page. We have a direct link there for it.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Great. Um, so you're not able to make it to that one?

• 28:04Speaker 06

  I'm not sure if I'm gonna be there. I might be there for part of it. I do have plans on Sunday, but so we'll, we'll see.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  I'm sure there'll be a little partying at night too, so.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  I would, I would say so.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  If you're in that part of the country, go check it out. Um, thanks a lot, Adam. Um, we may check back with you in a couple of months to see how this Sunday hunting thing is actually implemented.

• 28:25Speaker 06

  Yeah. Hey, I would, I'd absolutely love the opportunity. I really appreciate you guys having me on.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  All right. Thanks a lot, man. See you, Adam. Thanks.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  Thanks.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Good news, but hopefully it's great news here in a couple of months.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  If the PGC commissioners don't implement that, it's gonna be...

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, you, you remember Joel, my buddy Joel?

• 28:46Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  He's like, "Those guys, I don't trust them. They're gonna screw it up." Like, which like with some game commission boards or like wildlife boards, like it's like, it's tough with those people these days, man.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Um, but hopefully it, it just ends up being more good news.

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• 32:38Speaker 03

  All right, guys. Next up, we got our, we got a top three segment. We do these now and then where we share various top three lists, things like favorite game meats, favorite, whatever, favorite places to fish, things like that.

• 32:56Speaker 08

  Always good. I'm not letting you get away with it.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  Phil, there's no pause in there for sound. I didn't see it.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  Look at the light effect in the room.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's incredibly complex.

• 33:11Speaker 05

  This gets me fired up.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  It's not just me moving my finger on a slider back and forth.

• 33:19Speaker 00

  Oh, bravo.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Thanks, Phil. Thanks for sliding that in there.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  It was really important. Everybody loved it. I mean, it wasn't a waste of time.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  Not at all. Um, I forget how we do these. Do we have one person do all three, Phil? Or do we go like?

• 33:31Speaker 04

  We go like number three, number three, number three, number two, number two.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Okay.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Okay. Gotcha. Um, all right, Corinne, we're going like from number three to your favorite.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna switch this up. My number three is gonna be, uh, Brody was giving me, you know, crap for this earlier.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Cause I think my, my, my scenario here misunderstands maybe what they taste like. Um, but I had put a black-tailed jackrabbit in Arizona.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Well, I was more making fun of you because we got plenty of jackrabbits like right here. But either way, it's like, you know, it's your choice.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, I just, the, the, uh, Sonoran Desert atmosphere is like an area I've only been to once, but really, really loved it. Um, they look just fun to, to get after.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  When you watch one of those things covering ground, it's pretty impressive.

• 34:34Speaker 05

  Oh, man, I've, I've hunted, been hunting deer in eastern Montana and I like glass up a jackrabbit and I watch him just run in a straight line for miles.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  Like, what are you doing?

• 34:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, like it looks like, like the perfect thing if you have, I don't know, AD, like you're just, you know, it's just like a different kind of focus would be required. And also I, um, I guess I'm mistaken that they probably don't taste like cotton tail bunnies.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Definitely not. Like a stronger flavor, darker meat, which, you know, I've eaten them. Um, not my favorite. Not when I got deer elk in the freezer, but I'm sure I'll, I'll catch some, some hell for saying that, but, um, yeah. But look, man, it doesn't, doesn't have to be about me. It's your bucket list, right? Seth, what's your, what's your number three?

• 35:26Speaker 05

  My number three is, uh, hunting Rios in Oklahoma.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Why Oklahoma?

• 35:31Speaker 05

  Uh, it's a state I've never been to and, um, I want to get a Rio to complete my slam, so.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  The nice thing about those Rios, that, cause I used to hunt them in, uh, like southwestern Nebraska. They've got them in Colorado too, but I didn't hunt them much out there. But the cool thing about those Rio, it's almost bad for those turkeys, right? Because they lit, it's like open country.

• 35:55Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  It's wide open and then, uh, like Cottonwood Creek and River Bottom, so like.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  You know where they're at.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  You know where they're at. Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, and it, that was it, that when I used to hunt them in that kind of country in Nebraska, it was super, super fun.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  I was torn between Oklahoma and, and I really want to hunt turkeys in Mississippi one of these days.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  You want to get, you want to go on a super hard turkey hunt?

• 36:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, but I've killed Easterns before, so I, I really want to get that Rio.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

• 36:25Speaker 08

  What about you, Brody?

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Let's see, what, oh, uh, this is, number three was a tough one for me because I wanted to make it a fishing trip. And I really want to go, um, like north of the Arctic Circle in Alaska and fish those she fish.

• 36:41Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  Uh, but if I, if I was like, had to, had to choose, it would be to go down to Panama to fish for those giant Kubera snapper.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Like, God, those, I like, I'm just like fascinated and you catch other cool stuff down there like rooster fish. And it's not like blue water offshore fishing.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Like you're fishing close to shore and these big rock piles coming out of the ocean and there's jungle and like, it just, it just seems super cool. Like that, that's like fishing wise, I would probably choose that over she fish in Alaska.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that sounds wicked fun.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Back to Corin's crazy stuff.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  I love how your, your, your, your guys' bucket list is like, kinda grand and, you know?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Oh, those Kubera snapper get huge.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Huge.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. But anyway, back to current crazy stuff.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  No, my B is a iguana in Florida.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 37:37Speaker 05

  I kinda expect nothing less.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  Like, you know, I just, I think more of it is about tasting different, uh, game species that I haven't tasted before. And then, you know, that, that leads the kinda different environments.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  You'd be doing some good work, taking those invasive green iguanas out.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  Right, right. I mean, I've, I've also heard that they're very, very tasty.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  Uh, probably not a super hard hunt.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  No, but that's, you'd fill up a boat with those things.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  And you air gun them or?

• 38:11Speaker 03

  I've seen, um, on Instagram a couple of times, I don't know if this dude has like, uh, like an actual guide service for shooting iguanas, but he has a bird dog, like a wire hair pointer or some, some, some bird dog. And that bird dog goes around in the boat with him and they, they'll crack an iguana on the bank. That dog rockets out of the boat and grabs him and brings him back.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  Now that seems more fun.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  That, oh, okay. I've just evolved my want.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  I'm a little torn on the iguana thing, cause when I was in college, I had a pet iguana.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Oh, what was his name or her name?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  God, I can't even remember now. Chuck.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Chuck.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Chuck.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  That's a great name for her.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  And he had, that iguana had, like, I had this big chunk of driftwood. I just let him run around in my apartment. But he would always, I had this chunk of long driftwood in the corner he'd climb up on. And it was right above one of those old radiators, you know? And they liked that heat.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  And that thing would like launch onto that radiator. And a couple of times he'd like break an arm or a leg or something. And he'd always heal up eventually. But, um, eventually I had to leave and I couldn't take him with, with me. I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this.

• 39:22Speaker 00

  Oh, you're part of the problem, Brody?

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Um, I gave him to my buddy. To care after this thing. And he just got to the point where he had busted so many legs, he couldn't get around anymore. And so my buddy put him in a pe- in the middle of winter, put him in a pizza box and threw him in the dumpster.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Oh geez. Right, which for a reptile isn't a bad way to go. They just get cold and go to sleep.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  I'm gonna catch so much hell for saying that.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  I thought you said like, you know, we just released into the wild and I was gonna say, oh, part of the invasive problem, but yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  He had a good life. I should have eaten him, I guess.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no waste.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, Seth.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  Uh, my.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Get me out of trouble.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  My bee is, uh, fishing in Norway.

• 40:11Speaker 00

  Fun, yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's kinda like, well, the ocean fishing there, from what I gather, is kinda like fishing southeast Alaska. But everything just seems so much bigger.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, and those fjords are, that's super cool looking country.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Oh, it looks awesome. Yeah, there's just a big fishing community there. And then interior stuff, um, there's like those zander and those big ass perch.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  Yep, yeah.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  It just looks like a fishing paradise over there.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the people in Norway are like the happiest people in the world, man.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Be a cool trip. Um, where are we at? My second?

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, your second.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  My second would be bighorn sheep right here in Montana. Um, it's definitely like, definitely a species of, uh, big game that I get to see a lot, never get to hunt. I mean, this is like, a lot of people have bighorn on their list, right? Um, so, you know, hopefully someday it'll happen, who knows if it will. Um, I'm gonna keep trying, but like, that's, that's kind of like the glam species that interests me the most, like, once in a lifetime. Cause, you know, I got a moose last year, but like, bighorn sheep are even harder to get tags for than.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  What's the percentage now? Zero, zero?

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Oh, it depends where you're at, but it's like, point, nothing to like, one percent, maybe it's like a high draw odds hunt. Um.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, and here in Montana, they're cutting tags more and more every year.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, there's problems with pneumonia, I mean, there's problems with the pneumonia everywhere, but, um. I I I'm still applying in Colorado, but um I got higher hopes for Montana.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Okay, we're gonna keep our fingers crossed for you, Brody.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Someday, yeah. Yeah, I almost, I almost like caved and was like, oh, I'm just gonna put my points towards a a Big Horn U tag. But then I had enough points where I'm like, that's just silly. Yeah. You know what I mean? Might as well keep going to this point. Yeah, yeah. All right, moving on to number one of Corinne's crazy bucket lists.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  Okay, so for really, really going like dream experience, I would love to be on a commercial boat in Japan, just seeing what what the fishermen there do to get uh bluefin.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Are you talking about those ones where they just drop it in, flip them over their back, drop it in? Have you seen those?

• 42:36Speaker 00

  No, I have just like the biggest, I just wanna see like big ass fish.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because I don't know that.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Tasty fish, maybe.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  I'm not sure that the Japanese are the ones doing all the commercial fishing for bluefin. I think they're coming from, they get shit.

• 42:52Speaker 00

  Or like.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  No, like here, there's bluefin.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  West coast.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  West Andes.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  And I know like there are other places, but I I don't know, like maybe I'm wrong, but I think like a lot of the bluefin that ends up in Japan is coming, like they overnight those things. They flash freeze them.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Send them to sushi markets and then some, there's this big bidding process.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. So those are not coming out of the the Pacific waters right there. Well then.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  I maybe, but some maybe someone in the chat knows.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  In there, that's why I had a real number one, my real number one.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Backup plan.

• 43:31Speaker 00

  Sea cucumbers in Alaska.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  I want to be at the shack and just watch Corinne wandering around, filling up a wheelbarrow of sea cucumbers.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  That'll be me. I'll put on like an eight millimeter suit. And just spend the entire afternoon like diving in shallow water.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  You don't even need to dive for them. You will.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  You will foul hook them when you're halibut fishing.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  And there's places where at low tide, you can just go pick them up.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that'll be me. I'll focus on nothing else but wheelbarrows full of sea cucumbers.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  And you can be the, the, like, cleaning specialist.

• 44:08Speaker 05

  You have to say that first.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  That's how you break into the fish cleaning.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Table. Like, you have to graduate to it and you start by cleaning sea cucumbers.

• 44:17Speaker 00

  I'll, I'll have fun doing that all day.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  After that first wheelbarrow that you clean, you're gonna be like, I am done.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  Well, then I'll start, I'll start the, uh, I'll start the other method of, of taking care of those is just air drying them, you know, like the, like, you know, Asian, Asian market, like dried, you know, dried.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  And then do they just rehydrate them to eat them?

• 44:41Speaker 00

  Exactly. And they'll eat the whole, the whole thing, you know, the, the slimy wart bit and all. It's unlike. Yeah, yeah. They, it's not, you're actually just not cleaning them. You're, you're, you're purging them of, you know, the mucky stuff that's inside.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  There's a thing that those things do. If they sit in the bottom of your boat long enough, they basically turn inside out. And it is the grossest thing.

• 45:04Speaker 00

  Interesting. Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  But they are, man.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  They're good.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Those fried cucumber strips are good. For sure. Well, that's interesting, Corinne.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Out of all the stuff you could pick. I love it.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  I love how my bucket list are like probably easily accomplished things, you know?

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  Then I'll, then I'll go even bigger and better.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  You can fly into Ketchikan and walk right from the airport, right down to the, the water's edge and get yourself some cucumber.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  Seth's interested in something a little bigger than a sea cucumber for his number one.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  My number one's moose, uh, interior Alaska. You know, that ridge hunt that, that we've all done is awesome. Love it. But I want to go further north, north slope. North of the Arctic Circle.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:56Speaker 05

  Just check out most. The biggest reason just because I want to go up there and see that country, but I also want to get a moose.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  No, um, that, that ridge top hunt is fun. The, the place where currently, where Steve's currently locked in is like, there's not like, there's like one spot, right?

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  And that stuff, like you're sitting there once, that stuff up on the north slopes more open.

• 46:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Classable, hikeable, all that stuff. So I could see that being a super fun hunt. Someday I'll go back and do a float hunt for them.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, that would be fun too. I've, I've done the float stuff, um, which is awesome because you're just looking at new country every day.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 46:37Speaker 05

  But yeah, I just, I guess more so, I just want to be on that north slope.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Hmm, for sure.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  To see that country.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Definitely. Mine, uh, mine number one is, could take place, same place as your moose hunt. Um, I want to take my, my boys to do a caribou hunt. Um, not necessarily because it's like this super challenging hunt. Like you're probably going to get one, right?

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  But to be able to watch that migration is like, it's, it's one of the coolest that like just for days, just thousands of caribou. Rolling by and granted, you got to hit it right to experience that. But it's like the most impressive thing I've ever seen in nature, like by far, just like waves of those things going by day after day. And I don't necessarily care about getting one myself, but yeah, I'd love to take my boys and up for a fly in.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  Caribou hunt.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  That'd be fun.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  Awesome.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Yep. All right, Phil, uh, let's see what the chat has to say about sea cucumbers.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Nothing about sea cucumbers so far.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Jack rabbits.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, get, get your, get your comments in while Corinne's here. Uh, but Nathan asks Seth and Corinne, was, what was the best thing you guys ate in Africa? And what was the weirdest?

• 47:57Speaker 05

  Um, God, it's so weird. Africa has, everything we ate in Africa was just like the best.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  So good.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  Table fare you'll ever come across. One thing that stuck out in my mind, which surprised me was the warthog.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  Mmm, yeah, that was tasty as heck. Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  I had just, I don't know what, what it was about.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Fatty?

• 48:19Speaker 05

  It wasn't fatty. It was just.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  It was, it was very similar, just eating like pork tenderloin without the fat. But just like the sauce they made with that meal and it was just, the whole thing was just phenomenal.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  It was very clean tasting meat, you know, it was just like a delicious, you know, pork chop.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, something, um, something I heard Steve mention in passing the other day, I wasn't involved really in the conversation, but he's, he said, like, everything is cooked well done, like, they don't do like medium rare there, which was surprising to me.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  Well, they, they did, the chefs there did do like the back straps and stuff.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  Oh, they did?

• 49:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, they did it like medium rare.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Or media.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  But he said there's a lot of meat that was just cooked to oblivion.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, I guess, the way that, um, folks over there are used to eating meat, you know, some of it's like charred on the outside, it's all well done. Um, and that they don't really like meat prepared the way a lot of us do.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  I think the, a lot of the meat that we ate is not how they typically prepare things.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  It wasn't exact, yeah, it was more, you know, maybe how they thought we would like it, slightly western, eastern, you know, preparation.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  So if you could like have an elk in the freezer or some of that stuff?

• 49:43Speaker 00

  Oh, Seth, what about the roan?

• 49:44Speaker 05

  Oh, the roan, yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  The roan, Steve shot, yeah, it's an antelope species, Steve shot this beautiful old bull. And I think that might have been the oldest of all the four that he harvested, I think they said what, like, like at least 10, 11 or 12 years old maybe? And I thought that that was the most tender meat and it was sweet, I mean, that,

• 50:08Speaker 00

  five times better than elk, like than the best elk I've ever tasted, in my opinion.

• 50:10Speaker 05

  You know, like a phenomenal, um, tasting antelope here, you know, like it just, most of it's just all tender and tastes good, that's like how everything is there.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  That's, that's super cool, yeah, and I, you know, it's great that you guys got to like eat a bunch of stuff while you're there.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's one. I mean, it's cool that you could share that meat with all the villages and the people there, but it's like, it may be nice just to bring all that stuff.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Sure. Yeah.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  Selfishly, it'd be like spreading, you know, Cape Buffalo, uh, uh, oxtail, Cape Buffalo tail stew.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, we had, we had buffalo oxtail soup the one night. God, that was good, too.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  All kinds of like fat and like.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Gelatinous.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Gelatinous, yeah.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Good stuff. Who's next, Phil?

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Uh, this question seems silly to me, but I could just be very ignorant. Maybe it's a question about humidity, but since you and Seth have both hunted a lot in the east and the west, Zach asks, should a western game hunter store hunting clothes similar to midwestern or eastern deer hunters as far as scent control is concerned?

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Um, I don't worry about that stuff.

• 51:20Speaker 05

  I store my hunting clothes in a musty basement.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, I definitely think like, if you're talking spot and stock rifle hunting, there's no reason, in the west, there's no reason to be paranoid about like storing your clothes with a pine bough outside or something like that.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't, I don't do the whole scent control thing much.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  Cool. Uh, Braden commented that he hit a deer with his truck at the same time we went live today, so.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Was it edible? Is it still there?

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I don't know. Braden, if you're still watching, go ahead and follow up, but you're probably dealing with something else right now. Um, I don't know if, I don't, I don't know if you, there are a lot of moose hunters in this room right now, but, uh, Vermont millennial homesteaders says, my wife and I both drew a coveted moose tag here in Vermont. I declined my permit to hunt with her as a subpermittee. Any tips on moose hunting with a cow only tag?

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know what kind of country they're in, like if you can glass them, um, I don't know if it's the hunts during the rut. I would, what I would do is like, right now is the time to be out looking for those things, like, I don't know anything about that area and hunting moose.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  In Vermont, so I would be doing a lot of scouting.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't, I know some dudes have hunted in Maine and it was kind of like a lot of covering.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it's probably similar country.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Tim, like covering a lot of roads, like in timber.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Looking for timber cuts and stuff, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, go find them.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  Luke says, Seth, let's get an update on the Alaska shack. You got it fixed up nicer than the neighbors. Are you getting some use out of it?

• 53:02Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. It's, it's fixed up fairly nice at the moment, uh, at least the outside. Um, here in a couple of weeks, we're putting a roof on the back porch.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Which will be nice.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  That'll be real nice.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, be able to hang some wet stuff out there.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  God, man, all the upgrades, Seth. You're like, you're like the high roller in the cove now. You got a new boat, got a fixed up shack, making Steve look bad. I love it.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  I'm just trying to make the neighbors jealous.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  I'll see one more, uh, and then we can hit some more at the end of the show here. Um, Joe says, what's Phil's favorite game he's tried so far? This is such a boring answer. Um, but I, I have, I've tried a decent amount since I've worked here. Like I've had Gator, I've had Mountain Lion, all, all kinds of stuff, but when, when Michael Hunter, um, from Toronto, whatever, what's his restaurant's name again?

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Antler.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  Antler. He came in here to shoot some stuff with us and Brody brought in some elk steak he had. And Michael will just like with his hands tied behind his back and blindfolded, he like, he not literally, but he could have done it in his sleep. He pulled out some single burner induction burner and made the most incredible steak I've ever had with like this huckleberry sauce on top. I, I could just, I remember that. It melted in my mouth and I could not believe it. And he just acted like it's just what he does. Well, for a living, which is literally what he does for a living.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  You know, but I, I deserve partial credit there, Phil.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  It was a great taste in elk, Brody. Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  Can I, can I make one live correction? Uh, Jim Heffelfinger texted me that it's the.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  I knew it was coming from Heffelfinger, man.

• 54:32Speaker 00

  The antelope jackrabbit is the one I want. And he said, we can make that happen when the rabbit populations recover. Cause it's the hemorrhagic virus that knocked out the population. So yeah. Antelope jackrabbit and not black.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  I, I thought he was going to contact us saying they're the, the best thing to eat on the planet.

• 54:49Speaker 00

  I, I know he eats them, so.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Man, Jim's on it.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, thanks, Jim.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Thanks for watching, Jim.

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• 57:37Speaker 03

  Uh, let's move on to our next interview.

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• 57:40Speaker 03

  We got Ted up.

• 57:41Steven Rinella?

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• 57:43Speaker 03

  Okay, uh, next up, we got, uh, Ted. It's Cook, right Ted? Ted Cook?

• 57:47Steven Rinella?

  That's right.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Ted Cook, the Executive Director of the North American Grouse Partnership. Um, Ted, thanks for, for joining us today. Before we get started with, with the conversation, um, I want to give the listeners a little background information about why we've got you on the show today. Um, we've been seeing, this is like not news, like we've been seeing declines in sage grouse populations for years. And we've talked about it here. We, uh, you know, we did a media television show that talked a lot about it. There, and there's this like iconic species of sage rush prairie, like across their range in the Western United

• 58:28Speaker 03

  States. And they've been struggling, um, which like maybe it would come as a surprise to like some bird hunters in, in places like Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, where you can still go out and hunt them. Um, some people might be surprised that they're like not doing well in places. Um, but with all that said, like about a week ago, some news came out that the sage grouse were officially declared extinct in the state of North Dakota. Um, and it's just really, you know, news like that is obviously a huge bummer, but it's also part of this bigger picture concerning what's going on with sage grouse in, in the

• 59:11Speaker 03

  last however many years. Um, so Ted, um, just to like clarify your bona fides, besides being the Executive Director of the North American Grouse Partnership, why don't you first like tell us about your experience working with endangered species? Um, and then we'll kind of get into, to, uh, What's going on with sage grouse all over the place?

• 59:38Speaker 09

  Yeah, so thanks for having me on.

• 59:42Speaker 09

  Before I became the executive director of the North American Grouse Partnership, I worked for 30 years as an endangered species biologist for the U.S. National Wildlife Service, including five years working on sage grouse conservation specifically back in the early 20 teens when we were evaluating whether or less sage grouse under the Endangered Species Act. And so from there, I went on actually and ended my career in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where I worked a lot on lesser prairie chickens. And I retired and the Board of the Grouse Partnership asked if I wanted to apply to be executive director, and I thought, no. And here I am.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  Here you are, talking to us.

• 1:00:21Speaker 09

  It's hard to quit. It's hard to quit.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I hear you.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  So you can correct me if I'm wrong here, but like what happened in North Dakota and with other sage grouse populations that are struggling, like the Gunnison sage grouse in Colorado? That's largely related issues surrounding loss of sagebrush prairie habitats. Is that correct?

• 1:00:46Speaker 09

  Exactly right. Yep. It's called the scientific term is sage steppe. Steppe is S-T-E-P-P-E. Steppe means grassland. So sage steppe, sage grassland, loss of habitat. In fact, Brody, grasslands, including sagebrush steppe grasslands, are the most threatened ecosystem on the continent and in the world.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 1:01:06Speaker 09

  And so this inexorable decline and loss of prairie grouse species, including sage grouse in North Dakota, is just a part of a much larger, long-term trend that the North American Grouse Partnership is committed to trying to stop and reverse.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Can you give folks a sense of like how, like how common and how widely distributed sage grouse were at one time compared to where they're at now?

• 1:01:38Speaker 09

  Sure, yeah, sage grouse used to, well, sage grouse are sage brush obligates, so they have to have sage brush to survive. And pretty much anywhere there where there was enough sage brush, you'd have sage grouse. And that was across, I think, at least 13 western states historically. But now, the range has been reduced by roughly 50%, and the population of sage grouse has been reduced by almost three quarters.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Like, what's the best estimate, like, at a high point, how many, like, what's, I know you can't pinpoint it, but how many millions of them were there?

• 1:02:15Speaker 09

  Yeah, don't know. And I know some folks have speculated that, it's really hard to say. Many millions, several million. And now we're down to just a few hundred thousand.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Gotcha. Can you explain, we kind of hinted at this earlier, but you can explain why, like, it's not just that sage grouse are on the decline, like, their decline also has implications for other species that use the same habitat as sage grouse, like pronghorn and mule deer and songbirds and all other, like, a whole host of species. So, can you kind of touch on that a little bit more?

• 1:03:00Speaker 09

  Yeah, you know, we, all of us hunters know that mule deer have been in decline for a long, long time. And it's no accident that they've been in decline along with our grassland habitats. And in some places, game managers are getting particularly concerned about the continued loss of mule deer. Pronghorn, you know, I mean, what I like to challenge us hunters to think about is, well, maybe you don't hunt prairie grouse very much, but you love mule deer, you love pronghorn. How far away are we from a scientist finding a local population of pronghorn, say, in part of the southwestern Great Plains, and we end up listing that under the Endangered Species Act? Keeping in mind, pronghorn are already listed in Arizona and I think maybe even California under the Endangered Species Act.

• 1:03:45Speaker 09

  So this is not far-fetched. All of these other species, then you've got casson sparrow and bobolinks and monarch butterflies and regal fritillary butterflies. That's a hard one for me to say. But all of these grassland-independent species are declining, along with prairie grouse. Now, prairie grouse are a great umbrella species because they require such a, they're a landscape-scale species that require such large patches of intact grasslands. And so, we're hopeful in the grouse partnership that if we can conserve prairie grouse populations that we can help conserve mule deer and pronghorn and everything else.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, the chips will just fall into place. So, like, what are your main goals? Like, what are you guys doing to help sage grouse and those prairie habitats?

• 1:04:28Speaker 09

  Yeah, so, actually, two slightly different prongs there because one of the, I guess, well, differences, I don't know how much of a benefit it is, with sage grouse is that there's a fair amount of public land that provides good sage grouse habitat.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, luckily it didn't all get sold off.

• 1:04:45Speaker 09

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. Thanks to a good, a lot of good work by hunters and anglers and others. But even there, even though we have, you know, say, you know, 80% of a patch of habitat is public land, some of the most important habitat, the lower elevation stream bottoms, the deeper soils, the wet meadows, are still privately owned.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's very common out here in the West.

• 1:05:10Speaker 09

  Exactly right. And so, but really with sage grouse, the biggest drive, here's a sad fact of the whatever 50 million, 40 million acres we have left of sage grouse habitat, we're losing sage brush habitat at the rate of 1.3 million acres per year.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  And what's happening there? Like, building houses? Like, what, just like residential, commercial, all kinds of different development?

• 1:05:36Speaker 09

  Well, yes, all of that is happening, but in a word, it's cheat grass.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Wow, okay.

• 1:05:44Speaker 09

  Cheat grass. Now, keep in mind, a lot of your listeners may know the name Aldo Leopold in a book that he wrote, published in 1949, called A Sand County Almanac.

• 1:05:55Speaker 09

  In that book, Aldo Leopold has a chapter called Cheat Takes Over, where he foresees what is happening to sagebrush ecosystems today. That's how visionary this guy was.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  For, for people who don't know what we're talking about, explain what cheat grass is and what it's, and what it's doing.

• 1:06:13Speaker 09

  Yeah, so cheat grass is an invasive annual grass from Asia that was accidentally imported here to North America. And it's taking over in areas like the Western, like the Great Basin, the western half of the range of sagebrush. And even is becoming more of an issue into Wyoming and some of the eastern parts of the range. And so cheat grass is fire-loving. It's designed to burn frequently. Sagebrush is not. Okay. And so the driver for the 1.3 million acres of loss of habitat a year, a lot of people will say it's fire and invasives because they see the fire and they say, well, that's the cause. And it's caused by this invasive species. We at the North American Grass Partnership, we disagree.

• 1:06:58Speaker 09

  It is not fire and invasives. It's invasives and fire.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 1:07:03Speaker 09

  And what I, what I mean by that is fire has been a part of sagebrush ecosystems for millennia. The difference is cheat grass. The reason why cheat grass exists is chronic overgrazing. What Aldo Leopold said, I'm sorry, chronic soil disturbance. What Aldo Leopold said is it's overgrazing, which is true back in the days, you know, in the 1940s. Remember the Taylor Grazing Act was passed to try to get hold of massive overgrazing on public lands way back when. And that's still a legacy today, but there's other disturbances like ATV use and other things. So, so it's the cheat grass driven by fire and all of these other things that's causing that 1.3, but the bulk of the 1.3 million acres per year of sagebrush habitat loss.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 1:07:45Speaker 09

  Wow.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  And so that that's your main focus like like like what what is what does that like mean though for like is there like how do you get rid of it and can you get rid of it?

• 1:08:00Speaker 09

  Yeah, no, you can't, you know, you drive I 80 through central Nevada, that's always gonna well, as far as I'm alive.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Speaker 09

  You guys do, it's probably always gonna look like it does that, you know, these golden stands of grass that look pretty to the untrained eye, but it's all cheat grass and but at higher elevations, other native grasses and plants can win out. But here's the good news, most of sage, most of grasslands, not just for sage grouse, but greater prairie chickens, lush prairie chickens, sharp tails, are managed as rangelands, both public and private land, and ranchers don't want cheat grass either.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:08:33Speaker 09

  And so what the grouse partnership's goal is to empower ranchers to recognize the opportunity they have to avoid chronic soil disturbance through overgrazing, which is less of an issue now, but sites specifically on a lower elevation, south facing slope could still be an issue. And so our goal is to work with the people that manage the lands and even own the lands, the ranchers, to empower them to make sure that they're avoiding chronic soil disturbance in the form of overgrazing. And then other things, ATV use, you know, one of the things, one of the vectors that spreads cheat grass is county road crews blade the side of a gravel road every spring, take up the native plants, what comes in behind it, cheat grass. They do it in the name of fire breaks along the roads, but then end up providing perfect

• 1:09:17Speaker 09

  habitat for cheat grass, the most fire loving of all species to grow in alongside the road.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 09

  So there's a lot of opportunities to do better.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Great, um, well, we're in a, we're in a, I have four, there's not just sage grouse out there and you guys assume work with other grouse species, so I want to ask you if there's any major conservation issues surrounding other species of grouse, you know, like we've got five species of grouse here in Montana that hunters can go after and. We had a boom year for sharp tails last year. You know, our, our dusky and rough grouse seem to be doing well. But like back east in states like Pennsylvania, um, rough grouse are really struggling. Um, the flip side of that is I just heard, I think yesterday,

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  that Wisconsin is opening up a hunting season for sharp tail grouse after a long period of, of them being off limits to hunters. So you, you got, you got anything for us about other grouse species?

• 1:10:20Speaker 09

  Yeah. And so you, you just, you got it right, Brody. Um, you know, uh, rough grouse back east not doing well because of reforestation of lands that used to be, uh, either, uh, open meadow or, uh, for rough grouse, what they like is the edge habitat between the meadow and the timber. Um, a lot of people, uh, value trees more than grass and, uh, think that anybody trying to cut a tree is a bad person. And so rough grouse are in trouble because of that social phenomenon.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Speaker 09

  Which is interesting. Uh, back east, but out west, you know, here, same thing here where I live here in Idaho. Um, you know, uh, we got great rough grouse habitat and they're doing pretty well.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:10:59Speaker 09

  Um, and then for, for sharpies in Wisconsin, what great news, you know, they, they feel like they've been doing enough habitat work to rebuild populations enough to offer a few special tags on the sharpies. And that's good, good for them.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, great. Uh, great having you on. What, uh, what can people do to help you guys out before, before you go?

• 1:11:20Speaker 09

  So, uh, you know, sage grouse, uh, this news in North Dakota, well, I'll tell you an interesting story. I was talking to Jesse Kohler, he's the biologist for North Dakota Game and Fish about this. He said, Ted, you know, the sage grouse blinking out in North Dakota sadly is something that we've seen coming for some time.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:11:37Speaker 09

  Uh, he said, but what really scares him is that 30 to 50 years from now, sharp tail grouse in North Dakota might be in the same boat.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  For the same reasons, I'm assuming.

• 1:11:48Speaker 09

  Yes, habitat, that's right. Grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on the continent and in the world. But it's such a slow burn, it's like boiling the frog, right? You've heard that saying where you throw a frog into hot water, it jumps out. You throw it into cold water, turn on the heat, it'll die. It won't jump out. So, uh, so it's like we're in this hot water and it slowly gets hotter every year and we're just not waking up to it. So, what the Grass Partnership really is focused on right now is trying to save lesser prairie chickens, which were recently listed under the Endangered Species Act. Keep in mind that as recently as 11 years ago, you could hunt for lesser prairie chickens, and today they're listed under the Endangered Species Act. And what we've done is we've reached out to the best landowner, rancher, conservationist heroes we could

• 1:12:28Speaker 09

  find in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and we've joined forces with them to pay them fair market value for the ecosystem services they have to provide on their healthy rangelands. Services like clean air and water, healthy soils, vegetation, wildlife habitat, carbon storage. They don't get paid for it. They don't get, they get cost share programs, but it doesn't, it costs them money out of their pocket to save an endangered species. That's not right. If Americans want to save endangered species, they should pay for it. And that's what we're trying to do. Eighty-four percent of remaining grasslands are privately owned. Most of those are rangelands. Ranching pays less than any other form of land use.

• 1:13:10Speaker 09

  It's no wonder why grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem. Uh, renewable energy, energy transmission, uh, oil and gas, uh, farming, feed loss, even woodland habitats and leasing for hunting can pay more than ranching. And that's why grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on the continent and on the world. We want to pay these landowners who want to save lesser prairie chickens and other prairie grass species what it actually costs to keep grasslands in grass.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  Well, great. Thanks. Thanks for all the good, good work you're doing and, uh, keep up the good work and maybe we'll check back with you in a few months and see how things are going.

• 1:13:47Speaker 09

  Well, thank you for having me and for asking great questions. Glad to be here.

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  Thanks again. Thanks, Ted.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Okay. That one, that's kind of some sad news there, but you know, you gotta pay attention to what's going on.

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Um, we're gonna lighten things up with a fan tip-off and it says to pause for sound here, Phil.

• 1:14:09Speaker 08

  H O T T I P R. Let's all do a hot tip-off. H O T T I P R. Let's all do a hot tip-off.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  I trimmed that one down and made it shorter because even I was like, this is, this is too much.

• 1:14:26Speaker 00

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Not my favorite one of your, one of your, uh, your song intros, Phil.

• 1:14:32Speaker 04

  I know, but yeah, variety is the spice a lot, Brody.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  I'm just being honest.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  That's fine.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Um, okay. If you're not familiar, the hot tip-off segment is where two of our listeners go head to head with, uh, competing nuggets of hunting and fishing wisdom, and then we decide which one is hotter. Um, before we, we watch these hot tips, um, if you've got a hot tip, take, uh, like one minute. Don't make it longer than a minute or we'll, we'll toss it in the, in the trash. Um, and send it to radio at the meat eater.com. As long as it's like some, what you feel useful tip that has like something to do with hunting, fishing, the outdoors gear, whatever. Um, we'll, we'll look at anything as long as it kind of falls under our umbrella.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  Um, and put the subject line, hot tip-off in there and, and it'll eventually get to where we can take a look at it and you might make it on the show.

• 1:15:26Speaker 04

  Oh, and one really, I don't see it in the script here, Brody, but you, the live chat will be deciding the winner of this.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  Oh, we're not deciding.

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  You guys are not.

• 1:15:34Speaker 03

  We're gonna weigh in though, Phil.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Corinne, Seth and Brody will weigh in. Maybe that will sway your vote, but I will, I will open a poll.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  My bad.

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  After, after the video and you guys are gonna choose the, the winner of the hot tip-off.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  I like to influence the voters.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  Um, all right. So for today, uh, we're, we're, we're talking fishing with hot tip-offs today. And we've got David McMurray from Ca- Cairo. Cairo. That says pronounced Cairo. Cairo, Georgia. Um, and Adam Smith, he's from somewhere in America. Um, and they've got a couple of, uh, hot fishing tips. So, uh, roll the tape, Phil.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  David McCurry.

• 1:16:20Speaker 07

  Hey meat eater, this is David McCurry from Carroll, Georgia. And my hot tip is using a clam knife to scale bream. As you know, a clam knife is pretty dull so that when you're putting pressure down on these big bluegill to remove the scales. That is a big bluegill. The knife doesn't cut down through the skin and the meat, which makes the scaling process pretty difficult after that. Also, it has a real stiff blade so that when you're pulling against these thick scales on a big bluegill, the blade does not flex, so you are able to pop the scales off relatively easy. And then the last thing I like about the clam knife is this rounded point. Once I remove the scales off the main part of the fish's body, I like to point my knife down to get along the edges of the fins and... He's doing a great job.

• 1:17:02Speaker 07

  If you do that with this clam knife, as opposed to a regular cleaning knife, you don't take a chance of stabbing the point down into the fish, again, making it difficult to clean them.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  Or into your hands.

• 1:17:12Speaker 07

  So my hot tip, using a clam knife to scale big bluegill.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:17:23Speaker 10

  Hey, this is Adam Smith coming out with a fishing tip, straight from the lake. I'm out here walking the banks and I'm keeping a few bass. And I've got a great way for harvesting fish while you're walking. Instead of a changed stringer or a basket where you're having to carry it around, it's taking up space in your hands or you're hanging off of you, and your fish are going in and out of the water and getting all beat up, go down to the store, pick up for real cheap a backpack cooler, pack it with three or four or five pounds of ice, and carry your fish around on your back. It works great.

• 1:18:00Speaker 10

  The fish are right on ya.

• 1:18:06Speaker 10

  Your hands are free, fish aren't getting beat up, they're staying cool if it's hot out. It's a great way to keep fish while you're walking around. I hope you like the tip. Talk to you later.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:18:18Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  I liked them both.

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  But as a kid who dragged a lot of fish around on a stringer, they're like dying and getting warm and you know, they look pretty bad by the time you get them home.

• 1:18:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  I like the cooler tip.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  I like the cooler tip too. You know, one time when I was a kid, uh, I caught a bunch of trout one time in Pennsylvania and didn't have a string or anything about it. I had one that was like, you know, like the, the fishing vest?

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  That you wear in Pennsylvania.

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  It's got the bat, the pocket in the back.

• 1:18:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I threw the trout back there. Got home, pulled them out, flayed them up, and then a couple of days later, like I washed it out, thought so at least. Um, couple of days later, I'm like, what in the hell? It's stinking. Guys looking around and figured out that I had left a trout.

• 1:19:07Speaker 00

  Oh, man, Seth, oh.

• 1:19:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  What do you think, Corinne?

• 1:19:11Speaker 00

  Nice fermented.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  So the backpack would have been better.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  It's pretty, pretty close, close poll right now. It's neck and neck, so.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  I like the, I like the clam knife technique.

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  I kind of figured you'd go that direction.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  You know, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Here's why I think it's, it's a, it's cl- it's, it's a good tip, but it's like, it falls second for me. It's cause like anglers in Wisconsin ain't buying clam knives to scale stuff, you know what I mean?

• 1:19:37Speaker 00

  Or, you know, whatever.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  They could, but there's a lot of tools you can use to scale a fish.

• 1:19:41Speaker 00

  Right, right, right. Yeah. I mean, I think I, I'm looking at the clam knife in the same way I might like, uh, the, the back of a butter knife or, you know, just like a different, just having a different more blunter edge, you know, uh, tool to.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  You, do you got enough info yet, Phil, or do we need to keep talking?

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  It is neck and neck. So if you, if you are in the chat and you have not voted, the poll is open. Get in there.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  One thing I like about the.

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  You're living in a swing state right now.

• 1:20:11Speaker 00

  Throw your two cents in.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  One thing I like about the clam knife is like, I like finding something that's not meant for that thing and using it for that like,

• 1:20:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, multi-use.

• 1:20:20Speaker 05

  Like catfish pliers.

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  Like, I think that's a crucial tool to have for a lot of fishing things. Like I use those to pull bones out of salmon. I use them for flaying. Um, it's just like, it's not just made for.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  You might be affecting the outcome here. While Phil's waiting for people to vote, um.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  Our, our, uh, our winner today is gonna receive a, uh, a meat eater hat, hoodie, and t-shirt combo. Um, and the t-shirt, Phil, do you got the graphic ready? Um, the t-shirt is our new badass gnome t-shirt. Um, it's almost archery season. So we made a shirt, uh, with a gnome making a real lifelike 3D, uh, unicorn archery target.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  Well, you see like carving it out of a tree stump.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, he's making his own 3D target.

• 1:21:16Speaker 00

  You guys vote. Come on, folks.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  And, uh, I think this shirt comes out tomorrow on the website. Not positive about that, but I think it's tomorrow. Um, and they'll probably sell out pretty fast. So if you want one, uh, you're gonna wanna hop on the website and get it ordered tomorrow.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  All right, voting has slowed down and wait, someone has pulled ahead.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  So I'm gonna go ahead and end the poll. And with 59% of the vote now, the winner is Adam with the backpack cooler.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  The backpack. David, sorry, man. This is a great hot tip, but, uh, Adam wins here. I don't, we don't know where Adam is from. Um, but we'll have to, we'll have to get in touch with him and contact him about his, his, uh, his prize package.

• 1:22:00Speaker 04

  Fishing spots secret.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  Casey thinks he's in the witness protection program.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  I also like that you could throw some cold beers in that cooler, too.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Totally, man. That's the thing, like, keeping that fish cold.

• 1:22:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  And like, cause it's just like, if you're, especially for a shorebound angler, it's tough out there, man.

• 1:22:17Speaker 05

  It is, yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  It's not like being a boat where you just like have room for a big cooler full of ice. So I, I think it's a great tip as long as you're willing to lug the weight around.

• 1:22:26Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  Um, so that's, uh, that's it for that. We got our winner there. Um, are we going back to the chat one more time?

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, chat's pretty light. So, uh, but I'll, I'll hit a couple here. If you've got something, uh, stupid, even incredibly shallow, you have a great chance of being picked.

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  I guess we're just not that interested.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  Well, honestly, Mogor was getting the most questions in the chat. People kept asking him about Hungary, what's it like to live there? What kind of stuff does he eat? What's the game like? We didn't get that guy on. Like, a couple people said we should have him on as a guest. Maybe we'll have him on for our year anniversary, which is coming up in a month, which is crazy to think about.

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  We totally should. Ask Mogor all kinds of questions about that.

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  We're gonna have you on the show soon. Andreas asks Corinne what her favorite hunt or hunt-adjacent trip has been since she's worked here thus far.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:23:19Speaker 00

  Ah, I think, um, I love the water so much, so I'm gonna have to give it to the Bahamas trip. A couple of years ago, um, for Kimmy Werner's show. Um, we were, we were there with, uh, with Cam Kirkconnell and Steve, um, for, for her, her first, no, it, no, I think it was the third episode of her series, um, and we did a podcast down there too. So it was, it was watching them, um, dive and spear. And, uh, Steve put me on my first, uh, fish that I was able to spear in very shallow water

• 1:24:04Speaker 00

  because I had a hard time, um, holding my breath for so long to dive. But I would say that being, being in the ocean and watching those three pros do what they do, that was probably the most eye-opening, exciting, wonderful trip for me. Yep.

• 1:24:19Speaker 04

  Cool. Nate asks, any secret talents from us in the room that we just don't talk about? Because we're, it's not, not a part of the four verticals. Do you guys have anything that's not hunting related that you, that you pride yourself on?

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  Is Corinne's weird taxidermy still?

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  I think that counts.

• 1:24:37Speaker 00

  I haven't done a thing in a while. I probably need to go back and, you know, make some, make something out of squirrels.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Seth, you got any hidden weird talents that we don't know about?

• 1:24:50Speaker 05

  Not that I can think of off the top of my head.

• 1:24:53Speaker 04

  That's the thing about working at Media, like aside from me, like the people who are part of the crew, they're, they work here because they're really, their, their, their talent is, they put on display here at the company.

• 1:25:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I'd say you guys like are handy as heck. No, I mean, like with, with building, with fixing stuff, you know, like.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  I fix stuff thanks to YouTube. I'm actually getting ready to rebuild my trolling motor.

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Oh, are you?

• 1:25:22Speaker 05

  Which is gonna be a, a project. Yeah.

• 1:25:25Speaker 00

  I mean, a lot of people don't close the gap between like going to YouTube and powering themselves with the skills or like call someone else. But so I'd say that you guys have that.

• 1:25:35Speaker 03

  I'm real good, good at growing cucumbers, Phil. But like really good at growing cucumbers.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  I would say tomatoes too. I think your tomatoes are much better than Steve's tomatoes.

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, they're coming in too. I forgot about that. Yeah, oh, yeah, they're done.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  I remember your tomatoes, Brody.

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  Is your garden just kicking butt this year?

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  It's doing pretty good.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  It does well every year. He like brought in great lettuce the other year and yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. It's been, it's been a pretty good gardening year.

• 1:25:57Speaker 00

  Green Thumb Brody.

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  Uh, let's see. There's one that about just general Colorado elk archery tips from Andrew.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I don't know where to start.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  I know. That's the thing. I said, I said, even if they were shallow, Brody.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Um, I, I don't know where to start.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  Walk further than most people will walk.

• 1:26:23Speaker 03

  Um, yeah.

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  Um, any, uh, getting into berry season, do you guys forage berries?

• 1:26:30Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  And what's your favorite one?

• 1:26:32Speaker 05

  I'll tell you a little bit about my berry patch in my backyard this year.

• 1:26:35Speaker 00

  Exploding.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  Did you guys transplant wild ones like Steve did or you just grew from, from?

• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  Well, they came with the house when we bought the place. Yeah. Um, but we've expanded it just by letting them grow.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:47Speaker 05

  Um, but I don't know, our berry patches maybe.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  What kind of berries?

• 1:26:54Speaker 05

  Raspberry. Um, it's maybe.

• 1:26:58Speaker 05

  Thirty, thirty feet long. Um, just like a row of raspberries and we got probably close to six gallons of berries off of them this year.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  That's nice.

• 1:27:07Speaker 05

  And they're just, they just, every day it's.

• 1:27:09Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  We pick them every single day.

• 1:27:12Speaker 00

  How do you even keep them in a row? Aren't they like the, what do you call them?

• 1:27:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, they.

• 1:27:16Speaker 00

  Like they grow and surround up seven feet away, right?

• 1:27:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, if I just let our yard go for a couple of years, the whole damn thing would be raspberries, but yeah, we just pull them out.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:27:25Speaker 05

  With the mower and stuff.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  For wild berries, we, we try to get out, it's coming up on huckleberry season around here. That's the main thing around here for sure. Um, in Colorado, we used to do service berries, which are okay, but they're very seedy. They got a lot, like a seedy, it's not a pit. They just have a lot of seeds and they're, they're good if you cook them down and like, there's plenty of service berries around here, but compared to huckleberries.

• 1:27:52Speaker 00

  I don't even know what a service berry looks like. Is it, is it?

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  Bushy thing, um.

• 1:27:57Speaker 00

  Are the actual berries like yellow it?

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  They, they look, no, they look like a blueberry almost.

• 1:28:02Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:28:04Speaker 05

  Um, we're gonna be hitting some, some blueberries here.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:07Speaker 05

  On Prince of Wales.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll be, there'd probably be a lot of bears around because we'll be there during.

• 1:28:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm hoping it's not, it depends. Last year, we were like kind of borderline late for the berries, which we might be too late this year. But I know with those up there, they get pretty wormy.

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  They go bad fast.

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, you, we pull them and you kind, like if you let them soak for a little bit in some water, the worms come out and then you can.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Speaker 05

  Kind of, you know, whatever, throw them in some pancake batter.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  Chase says, flip flop flesher, I have a frozen beaver that I still need to take care of. I've never fleshed one myself. Should I buy a fleshing beam or try to build one? Have you ever?

• 1:28:44Speaker 05

  Oh, you could build them pretty easily. Um, my, my beam is, um, like a chunk of that, uh, log siding that like only one side of it is actually, it's like dimensional lumber, except for one side that's like rounded.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  Um, so we just took that and, and kind of, you know, tapered the tip down. Um, and then mounted it on a stand. Um, the stand's probably the hardest part. You either gotta know how to weld to build a, a stand or there's, there's other options you could, you know. Mount it to like a big, heavy stump or something like that.

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  You should do a video tutorial on building a.

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I could do that. Mine's a welded metal stand. I've seen them where like guys have mounted them just to like, you know, something heavy that's gonna.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  But you need that thing to, to get it done.

• 1:29:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, but yeah, for the most part. And I've seen some guys where they'll just like throw them over their knee and like flush them with a, a knife.

• 1:29:38Speaker 03

  God, I'd stab myself.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  That's just, I, yeah. Some guys are good. John Hayes, the taxidermist, he does stuff like that. He can, he can do it real quick, but.

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  Uh, Master Butcher says, Phil, my son got cast as Gaston. Any tips to prep for such a character?

• 1:29:53Speaker 03

  Phil, who's Gaston?

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  I'm guessing referring to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. And I would say the person, I would say just watch a lot of Andrew Tate videos. Uh, no, for the love of God, don't, don't do that. That was a joke. Uh, um.

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  Oh, boy. Phil with the fast one.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  I would say a character like Gaston, who thinks he's the hottest shit in the world, but is actually not. When you, when you buck on the stage, you wanna project that you're the hottest in the world, but have, have like a secret character trait where he just is, he's like afraid of something very silly, like mice or spiders. And don't tell anyone, but just kind of think about that when you're on the stage to kind of, and, and may, maybe that insecurity pokes through. That's, that's my tip.

• 1:30:36Speaker 00

  Hot acting tips from the best people, Phil.

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  It's almost like method acting.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  Almost, yeah. And then just, yeah, pretend to be Gaston for the next three months until you get on stage.

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  All right, is that it for today?

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  Let's call it, let's call it there.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  It was a long show, it was a good one.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Um, all right, we're almost done, but I gotta ask you guys one more favor. Chester's real bored out, out in Wisconsin. He's got nothing to do. Um, so we need you to send him, send in some questions for Chester's Chedikit series that we do here on the show, where he answers, uh, various outdoor related ethical conundrums. Um, do we have, is there a Chedikit email? I should have found this out.

• 1:31:19Speaker 00

  There, there is not. Uh, they've, they've come in, yeah, they've come in multiple ways, like sometimes to our regular inbox, but let's have them go to radio. Radio at, yeah, we'll do that. And then just put it, Chedikit in the subject line.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  All right, there you go. That's it for today. Thanks, everyone, for tuning in and have a great weekend. We'll see you next week.

• 1:31:41Steven Rinella?

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