Currently Married (With 20 Crushes) feat. Uly Morazan

We are SO excited to be joined by hilarious actor, creator, and our new friend Uly Morazan, widely known on the internet for the “current husband” trend. We discuss how this title came about, how he met his current husband (it’s iconic), and why they don’t make couples content anymore. Then we go over Uly’s list of hall passes (which is also just a list of the hottest celebrities/athletes) and break them down one by one. We also discuss dating someone your friend has dated, the ONE lucky guy we have both dated, the pain of a crush choosing your friend over you, and pursuing unavailable people as a defense mechanism. Before Uly joins us, Ashley gives an update on her foster journey and Rayna reveals something that keeps happening to her in bakeries and on the streets. Enjoy! Follow Uly on Instagram @ulyandernesto and check out the Current Besties podcast. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Article: Get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more at https://article.com/gge. Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster at https://rocketmoney.com/gge. Dae: Get 20% off your first purchase at https://daehair.com with code GGE. Mint Mobile: Get your new wireless plan for just $15/month at https://mintmobile.com/gge. ZBiotics: Get 15% off at https://zbiotics.com/gge with code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  It's one thing to tag my husband, but it's another thing to tag my next husband.

• 0:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Your other husband.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, my other husband, my boyfriend, my lover. They were just trying to take down every possible relationship that I had at the moment.

• 0:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  This podcast is a Dear Media production.

• 0:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat.

• 0:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Welcome back, Raina. I like, so it's 9:00 AM.

• 0:35Rayna Greenberg?

  For you it is.

• 0:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're way off schedule. I haven't pooped yet. I've just realized. I just like felt it in my stomach where I, I poop at 10:30 and you know that.

• 0:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, you know when I poop, it's, everything is an emergency. I will get up and leave the most important conversation I've ever been having if I have to poop.

• 0:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I just felt my stomach and I'm like, oh my God, this is not how we operate.

• 0:55Rayna Greenberg?

  This is the earliest I've ever had you get up.

• 0:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is ridiculous. Got to get up and record. What are we doing?

• 1:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you live in LA, you have a healthy lifestyle, you know, here my body is trash.

• 1:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we're in this heat wave here and it probably will have broken by the time this airs, but it's been so hot, but also humid and people are losing their minds because truly like the humidity is like, we didn't sign up for that. Yes, it rains here, but it, a hot, humid day, it's out of body for us.

• 1:24Rayna Greenberg?

  No, SoCal humidity, like I don't know her. I've never met her.

• 1:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's weird. I like got back here from being on the East Coast and was like, what is this feeling? This is really off. You're not used to walking out in hot and humid and it's not raining. It's been a wild experience. So pray for us, everybody. It's probably over by the time you hear this, but hopefully we survived it.

• 1:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I was also thinking like, okay, September 8th, first day of fall, fresh, fresh new season. It's not. It's, I'm going to, I have to leave here to go to Columbus. It's 90 degrees in Columbus today.

• 2:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I was looking at going to Delaware in either September or October and I was like, I just want to be there when it is. There's a chill in the air. So I just, I feel like I can't rely on September anymore. So I need to push it back to October.

• 2:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I think, I thought this was like new season, new me. I thought we were gonna like do a summer wrap up, like what were our, what do people say? Their pits and their peaks?

• 2:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or roses and thorns.

• 2:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Of, of the summer, but it's like summer's still here.

• 2:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  We can do it next week. We can do whatever we want. It's still technically summer. Next Monday will be the first like official day of fall. We'll do it then. All right.

• 2:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Don't worry about it, girl. You guys stay tuned for all the good and bad things that happened to us this summer. All right. We'll thank our partners and then we'll get into it. Thank you to Article. Get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more at article.com/gge and Rocket Money. Reach your financial goals faster at rocketmoney.com/gge.

• 2:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Dae. Get 20% off your first purchase at daehair.com with code GGE and Mint Mobile. Get your new wireless plan for just $15 a month at mintmobile.com/gge and thank you to Zbiotics. Get 15% off at zbiotics.com/gge with code GGE.

• 3:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, this weird thing's been happening to me and I wonder if you think it's funny and now I've been keeping a list because it keeps happening. And, okay, I want to preface this by saying like, I'm not a big bakery girly. I don't like, really, I'm not, I'm not a big sweets person.

• 3:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can't relate. I just, you know, I'm just like a pastry slut. Like I don't, it's not even sweets. It's like a pastry. I love a bakery.

• 3:24Rayna Greenberg?

  We love, we love bread and butter in LA and Santa Monica. It's like incredible.

• 3:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  But even like when we were out in the Hamptons every day, I'm like, what are, where are we going today? Like going to Tate's, going to those little markets. So you're either more Ashley's friend or more Raina's friend when it comes to pastries and bakeries, but continue.

• 3:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I only like savory pastries and I love them. Like I will eat a ham and cheese pastry every morning. And so like when I find a place that does them, I'm very excited. So I'm not just, I'm not a big pastry, bakery kind of girly. And this thing has been happening to me and now I've had to keep a list because it's so weird. So I was in Martha's Vineyard and I went to this bakery and the girls at the front desk of the hotel had told me about it. And I was like, I'll be nice. I'll get them a couple of things while I'm there too. And so I threw like five things in the bag and then their wifi went down and they couldn't charge me and they were like, just take it. And I was like, oh, all these free pastries. Okay, great. So I take them, I give them to these girls. I'm like, I had free pastries today. How lovely. And then I was at the Four Seasons in LA last week and I like popped down to the restaurant.

• 4:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  What else are you gonna say?

• 4:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  About the France then?

• 4:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was in Dubai after that. Just these things keep happening. It's funny that you created this story just to dunk on everybody. This is crazy, you guys. I just have these like pastry things that keep happening in all the rich places I go.

• 4:43Rayna Greenberg?

  That's my life. Okay. You know what? I have nothing to say for myself other than my life is awesome. I don't know what to tell you. And if it makes you feel bad.

• 4:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it makes you uncomfortable, that's your problem.

• 4:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, actually, if you want to know, I wasn't even paying for the Four Seasons. I had sex and then I went downstairs to the bakery. That's how awesome that day was.

• 5:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  I also love that this story is about you not paying for stuff, that living this great life and also getting stuff for free.

• 5:07Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what this whole story is gonna be about. So I go downstairs to the, to the restaurant at the Four Seasons. They have like a little bakery case. So I ordered a ham and cheese croissant and a cold brew and this guy goes, you know, just take it. And I go, what? He was like, you know what? Just take it. I was like, you, do you want to charge it to the room? And he goes, no, you can just take it.

• 5:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love this.

• 5:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, sure. Thank you so much. So I'm like so excited. Also just want to throw in later that day, I also got my car washed and for some reason they gave it to me for free at Beach City.

• 5:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  At Bay Cities? What do you mean they gave it to you for free? They have a whole system.

• 5:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, Ashley, I go all the time. I left your house. I went to get my car washed and I give him my credit card. He comes back and goes, this one's on us.

• 5:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  What are you putting out there in the world?

• 5:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't understand. So then I come back. I'm in New York last week. I'm walking down the street. There's a bakery called Apartment 4F and it's next door to Rosemary's in West Village. I'm walking by at 6:00 PM. This girl goes, excuse me, would you like some free pastries?

• 6:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. No. They're hunting you down in the streets for your aura. Like what is happening?

• 6:10Rayna Greenberg?

  The line for this is usually like 50 people long. I tried to go the other day with Emily. We couldn't get near the building. She goes, well, we usually throw everything out at the end of the day. So we just give free pastries out. She gives me this giant box of pastries. I was on my way to FedEx. I just give it to all the FedEx people. And I was like, surely this is done. So yesterday I go to this place, St. George in the West Village, where I've been going to get my ham and butter sandwiches and I ordered three sandwiches. And I get home and I realize they've given me the wrong stuff. So I have to walk back and he goes, okay, I still have your box. Just keep all the other stuff. I don't know what it is about me that people are like, she just, she needs it.

• 6:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, something else is happening and the car wash is the smoking gun. Like what is happening and you're putting out there in the world? You look poor. Maybe you look like you can't afford it. What are, maybe have you been dressing extra dressed?

• 7:00Rayna Greenberg?

  My nipples were really out. You know that outfit I have from Sabo?

• 7:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe it's the nipples.

• 7:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. The Four Seasons and the car wash nipples were just abound.

• 7:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, good for you. Keep it rolling. I don't, I don't know what else I have to say. I'm proud of you and, you know, I heard about those 4F pastries because I was in, at the house where you were coming to and you didn't bring them to us, me specifically. Megan mentioned it and I said, what do you mean? She said, Raina's got all these free pastries on the street from this incredible place in New York. I said, tell me they're coming on the way. She said she gave them to the FedEx guys.

• 7:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought we were best friends in that moment. I knew we weren't. You don't know me at all.

• 7:40Rayna Greenberg?

  To be honest, I actually thought that by the next day they wouldn't be that good. I thought about bringing it to you guys, but I don't love day and a half old pastries and I actually thought you guys deserved better.

• 7:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  It depends on what they are, you know, like, I just like, you know, like a banana bread would keep, a crumb cake, just depends.

• 7:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not in this culture, so I'll keep it in mind. I don't know. It's just a weird thing that's been happening. I don't know what it is about me, but you know, I think it's because I don't really want it. I don't really want pastries that much. I'm like a fuck boy and people are like, you clearly don't want this, so we're gonna give it to you.

• 8:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  It feels so good and you just feel so hot when someone gives you something for free. Like I remember being at the Equinox in Miami where just I'm the ugliest person in there, obviously. And I got a coffee on the way out. They have like a coffee bar in there and the guy was like, just take it. And I was like, okay, I'm sorry. How stunning am I? But yesterday, Raina, I was at Zink after going to Berry's and we were having coffee and they have the market in the back and I got some stuff, like some stuff for dinner. I got some fruit. I got like a water and their scanner wasn't working. And I like to scan the barcodes on the items. I had five items and I was like, surely she's not gonna give me this all for free.

• 8:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  She would give you for free. Obviously that's what happened to you. She keyed in everything, every single thing. I stood there for so long while she manually keyed in every item. Like I almost just abandoned it. Like I almost was like, I could go to another store in this time and buy all these things.

• 9:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Also like, why do I have to stand here while you do this? Just give it to me.

• 9:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just give it to me. It's $42 total.

• 9:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think people feel bad for you because you're tall. I think people look at me and they're like, she's so little. She's like a small toddler. Her life is so hard down there. Let's give it to her for free.

• 9:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, now I'm just like, maybe I need to have my nipples out more.

• 9:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know why you stopped. Your nipples have not been out that much and like, you're my most nippily friend, I feel.

• 9:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know what's going on.

• 9:33Rayna Greenberg?

  You became a wife.

• 9:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, no, they, I have that one tank. They've, they've been out, maybe, you know, I'm wearing darker colors. Maybe don't see them as much. You know, like I wear that black tank all the time. I'm always free balling under there, but sometimes you don't know it.

• 9:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you feel like because you're a wife, you just, you haven't been like showing your nipples off?

• 9:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I feel like because I'm 43 and they're just a little lower. I don't think has anything to do with marriage.

• 9:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought you were trying to be like Demira for Shashank.

• 9:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, I'm just old. Well, what's going on in my life? I mentioned this briefly on the snack that we have a new foster dog named Cody and you guys have probably already seen him by this point as we record. I'm going to pick him up today and we talked about him. He's this like little Maltese mix, whatever. But I did just want to talk about the experience with Zizou. So you guys were really invested in the journey with Zizou, who was the foster dog I had, the pug, a few weeks ago with Wags and Walks, which I've just loved working with them here in LA. Oh, you're reading, you know, who does Wags and Walks Nashville is Jason Tardik's fiance.

• 10:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, is that, is it there? Okay, cool.

• 10:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So anyway, I just thought that was interesting. Like I knew she did something with the dog rescue. I don't know if maybe she started that branch, but that's who she is like associated with.

• 10:45Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that's how they met.

• 10:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I think so too. He does stuff with dogs. Anyway, so Wags and Walks is who I'm partnering with here in LA and Zizou was the first foster that I haven't kept. I mean, like Dewey was technically a foster Azul was my first foster after Dewey passed. And so I've never had to give them back. And it was, it was so heartbreaking. Like it was such a hard day. Like I enjoyed my time with him so much and I just fell in love with him. And I think that so many people have this experience and you know, we had Isabel Cleon and we love her book and I feel like she's the top when it comes to these dog fosters and how painful it is to bond with them and have to give them back.

• 11:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  And for me, it was so sad because I just felt like he was going to miss us so much. Like I wasn't handing him off to his forever home. You know, like there's a quote, people apply to dogs for various things. I mean, I guess traditionally when you put them down, like something along the lines of we suffer so they don't have to. Like you're saying goodbye to them and your life is going to feel so empty, but they're not going to be in pain anymore. And it's like that would have applied to Zizou if I knew I was giving him to like his forever home for like a happier life. But I handed him off to another foster, which I'm sure he's doing amazing, but he's still up for adoption. And I just felt like he was so in love with us. Like I feel like he just wanted

• 12:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  to be around us and follow me around all the time and just cuddle up with us. And he loved Azul. And I feel like when he first came into the house, he had a little separation anxiety. And then we kind of just started leaving him out of the crate when we left little by little. And then he would be right by the door when we got home. And then as the two weeks went on, he would be like on the couch with Azul. Like he didn't even seem anxious anymore. And we just like fell in love with this dog and it was just so hard. Like I, I'm like, I don't know if I'm built for this.

• 12:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't think you were going to give him back. I just, I saw you guys together on Friday and I just,

• 12:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 12:46Rayna Greenberg?

  He was so, he was like in your arms. Also like Azul doesn't like sit in your arms like that. He's also just too big to do it. I didn't think you were going to give him back.

• 12:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. And I just, I don't want you guys hearing this and be like, go get him and go get, you know, like, it's just not, doesn't make sense for us right now. But like he will, first of all, he's still over adoption. He's so wonderful. You guys, if you know anyone or you're interested, like, please reach out to Wags and Walks or just reach out to me or just apply for him. He's on their website. But I just, I'm going to keep tabs on him forever and like what happens to him. And I know he'll find a great home eventually. And you know, maybe our paths will cross again. And you know, I've comforted myself with like, dogs don't miss people like humans do. Like I know they can grieve and miss their owners and they remember you and all those types of things. But he's not like thinking about us now, like we're thinking about him, you know, they live more

• 13:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  in the moment. And I just have had to like do some research and like talk to people. Like I just feel like he felt really home with us. And I'm checking in with his new foster all the time. And she said, he's doing great. And I'm sure he's happy. And so I like comfort myself with that. But I just wanted to share how this experience was for me. And I don't know how I'll feel with every dog. I don't know if that was like the first one and it was so hard and it will get easier. I don't know if it's because of just how much I loved him and how much he grew on me and he just became my little buddy. And he just felt like such an addition to the family. So we'll see what happens with Cody and with the ones after this. But you know, Zizou is still out there and he's still up for adoption. And you know, who's to say? You never know. But it was

• 14:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  really hard. People were sending me this reel from Tyler Cameron's fiance Tate of her with this puppy that she'd been fostering, just sobbing. And she was like, who let me do that? That she had to give back. She was like, who let me do this? Who thought I was stable enough to foster dogs? And I just want to share that I feel like that too. Like what are we doing? This is so hard. But you know, it's for a good cause and to get these dogs adopted.

• 14:45Rayna Greenberg?

  What are we doing? I mean, he had a great life with you. It was very cute. Him and Azul were very cute. I'm glad I got to meet him. I don't think I'm going to get to meet the Maltese, but we'll see how you guys.

• 14:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I just, I feel like I don't, I don't know if you're going to be as into the Maltese as you are into the black pug.

• 15:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's a Maltese mix. So last night Shashank goes, Ashley, you think he's going to be like yippy? I'm like, excuse me? Like that hadn't crossed my mind.

• 15:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's a Maltese.

• 15:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  That hadn't crossed my mind. I've never had like a dog like that.

• 15:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I can't imagine you guys with it.

• 15:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I had talked about this dog before, Sue, the senior German shepherd that's still up for adoption with Wags and Walks. And we almost had her to foster last week, but the timing like didn't work out, but we were really close and that could still happen one of these days. And she is still up for adoption too. So check them out and think about Zizou if you know anyone that could be a fit. And I just, I miss them. I think about them every day. And I don't know if that's like a sign, but you know.

• 15:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think you should go get him, but he had a beautiful time with you and we have a huge platform. What's important is that you promote that somebody should go get him.

• 15:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Apparently not huge enough. What is going on? What, where are we even famous? Apparently not. I was like, surely the girl's going to eat community will get this dog adopted. Cause they're all just like, they want me to keep them. They're setting me up.

• 16:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. They don't want to step on your toes with this guy.

• 16:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but anyway, so just wanted to share how that is. And there's another one coming and we're just going to keep doing this while we can and when we're in town.

• 16:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. We will get an episode in a second. I just want to say one more thing. And this audience and you will hold me accountable. It's just, I, I feel like I learned something about you this morning. I didn't know before, but maybe I'm not listening to you. But listen, I want to preface this by saying, I don't platform anything JK Rowling does. And I, I would not consume stuff that she produces anymore. But I was talking to Shashank in a group chat with you about how this new show is coming out on HBO of Harry Potter. And Shashank said, you have never, ever seen a Harry Potter movie? Like you've never turned on a Harry Potter movie?

• 16:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have not. And I am now trying to run the tape on if I've lied about it before to save face. But the truth is no, I, I know nothing. I feel like the most I've seen of Harry Potter is this one audio that people make reels and TikToks when it's like, there will be no something, something in this something, something. And there's like a cape.

• 17:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You shall not pass.

• 17:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, no. It's this other thing. There's this other thing. And it's this guy with a cape. People put capes on their dogs. It's a funny thing. No, Rain, I don't know anything about it. I know it's about like kids in class and they're like, there's magic. Cause I would never, it's on TV or whatever. I wouldn't in a hotel, I wouldn't put it on because I don't know it like that.

• 17:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it's weird to think about it today because it's not my radar. I mean, it's like a Sunday night watch for me. If I turn on the actual TV, if I'm logged into your and Shashank's YouTube TV, I'll turn it on. But I watched the final movie, like when I was in college, when it was out. I read some of the books when I was younger because they were so long and I could read them in the car with my mom. So she wouldn't talk to me. I did, I don't think I realized you had never consumed a single minute of a Harry Potter movie. If you guys are like in the comments, let me know if like anybody else is in this community. I know people are like team, like what's the werewolf shit? What's uh?

• 18:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Twilight.

• 18:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Twilight. Okay. Sorry. I'm not trying to diminish it. I know people love it. I know people are like Twilight or Harry Potter. Like you just haven't consumed any Harry Potter, which is fascinating.

• 18:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I've seen all the Twilight movies and the first Twilight movie is really, I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite movies, but it's, I love it. And I will watch it over and over. I've watched it again. It's one of those things of like, if it's on TV in a hotel, would you watch it? Like absolutely. And then I've seen some others in the theater. I think I just read like the first book and then I just switched to the movies. But yeah, I was really into Twilight.

• 18:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Anyways, I just thought that was fascinating.

• 18:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, let us know in the comments, you guys. Uh, we have Yuli Moraz on today. We had so much fun with him. I'm so excited for you guys to get a load of his list of men that basically like the hottest men, the men he has dibs on, but we have photos for all of them. Right now it's like, took me a while. But this is a good one to watch on Spotify or YouTube. There's visuals for everything. And he's just so, so fun. And we can't wait for you guys to. Get into this interview, but we're just going to talk about our partners first. I am telling you about Mint Mobile. I mean, cell phone plans are just out of control and they just don't need to be. And I feel like Mint Mobile is here to prove that we have been getting

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• 20:37Rayna Greenberg?

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• 21:22Rayna Greenberg?

  give you the availability to cancel unwanted ones. In the app, it's just like a few taps. So I truly had no idea how many subscriptions I had, but their interface will show you. They'll help you cancel them. They'll help you negotiate lower bills. I mean, it really is just such like an all-around app. So Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at rocketmoney.com/gge. That's rocketmoney.com/gge. Rocketmoney.com/gge.

• 21:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And I'm telling you guys about Zbiotics. We need to be partying and going out more. I'm just loving all this content about like the return of the party, girl. We should maybe dive into this at a later date. And because it really is, it's self-care to get together with your friends and family and get out into the world. And sometimes that can mean a glass of wine at dinner, or whatever you're drinking, your margaritas, your martinis at your long overdue girls' night. And if you drink Zbiotics pre-alcohol before your first drink, that is going to help you feel much better the next day. So Zbiotics pre-alcohol probiotic drink is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was engineered by PhD microbiologist to break down acetaldehyde, an unwanted byproduct of alcohol metabolism. So make pre-alcohol your first drink of the night.

• 22:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Drink responsibly and enjoy your next day activities. Zbiotics has sold more than 14 million bottles and earned the trust of thousands, including us. So if you are not familiar with it, which you should be by now if you listen to Girls Gotta Eat, but there are these tiny little vials, you just knock them back before you have your first drink of the night. That's how you should be pre-gaming. Everybody should be pre-gaming with Zbiotics. We had this funny story where we were at, was it Kokodak in New York? This really incredible hotspot restaurant, and they had it on the menu, which I love. More menu should have it in case you forget and then you head out for the night. So we just really like it and it's really something you can do for yourself. I just hate waking up after a night of being out and just feeling like not 100%. So you can try it

• 23:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  for yourself today. And if you are unsatisfied, they will refund your entire order, no questions asked. Head to zbiotics.com/gge. Code GGE for 15% off your first order. Zbiotics is a partner of Girls Gotta Eat. And let's get into it.

• 23:33Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, guys, we are very excited to welcome our guest today. He is an actor, an influencer, creator, host of the Current Besties Pod, and the originator of Current Husband. Please welcome to the show, Yuli Morazan.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Hi, hello.

• 23:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God, we're so glad to have you here. Okay, so I just want to share how your content was introduced to us. I said current fiance. Just it came out of my mouth. I didn't even clock it. Raina clocked it. It was during an interview. She was like, what did you just say?

• 23:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'd never heard it before. Then I just leaned into it.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we posted the clip. And of course, everyone in the comments, you stole this from, like, people were like, you didn't come up with this yourself, you know? And so I was like, okay, credit where it's due, everybody. Like, I didn't steal it, but I do want to know the originator.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Well, I will, I will also say, I don't know if I'm the originator. I think people have been saying current husband, first husband, starter husband.

• 24:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, starter husband.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  You know, like from the dawn of time. It's not an original joke. People have been making fun of like their first, their marriage for a long time. So I think because I almost, like I said it so many times for so long now, that maybe people associated it the most with me. It's not like an original thought, I will say. I actually got introduced to you based on the same thing, the same moment.

• 24:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  From content theft?

• 24:52Speaker 00

  Yes, for content theft. So my friend Emily, shout out to Emily, loves you guys.

• 24:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi Emily.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  She sent me a clip of you saying current husband, you like had found out that like this comedian, Yuli, says blah, blah, blah, blah, based on the response. And so she sent me that clip and she's like, oh my God, Girls Gotta Eat shouted you out. And I was like, oh, crazy.

• 25:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  We were like, we want to give him credit. We want to talk about the.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 25:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  So how did it start with you?

• 25:22Speaker 00

  I think similar to how it started, like how you said it. I think I accidentally said it in one of my like story time, like I just like posted it and I got a lot of reception.

• 25:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  And it got a lot of like current husband, current husband, oh my God, like that's so funny, blah, blah. And so like all the comments were that. So then I just like, I just leaned in and started to say it all the time. So that's how, but it just like came to me. I don't think I said it thinking it was gonna get any traction. Kind of like, you just like randomly said it.

• 25:52Rayna Greenberg?

  And someone has to pick up on it. Raina was the one that was like, why'd you say current? I kind of just like, was like, what? Current fiance is funny because they will not be your fiance eventually.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Like the implication of a fiance is that you'll get out of fianceed.

• 26:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 26:05Rayna Greenberg?

  But current husband, there's no implication.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  Even funnier because it's supposed to be forever.

• 26:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. What is your husband like? How did you guys meet?

• 26:13Speaker 00

  He is really grumpy, moody, and an introvert. He's kind of the opposite of me. But we complement each other so well. Like, our relationship is full of laughter and that's like what brings us together. But we met because we went to, there was a bar in LA called Foo Bar, and it no longer exists, but on Thursday night, they had a night called Big Dick Thursdays, which happened every Thursday. We're in the club. They would, if you wanted, you could go into a back room and print out a photo of your erected penis.

• 26:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wow, you would take it and.

• 26:46Speaker 00

  I'm sorry, all questions welcomed, yes?

• 26:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, okay. You went to a room with a printer?

• 26:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, who takes the photo?

• 26:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, was there a photographer in there? Ashley's like, what's the admin?

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 26:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I need a visual.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  Yes, good questions. I had never done it myself. So this is, I don't know what the actual process is, but in the club, there is like a back room. We're all like the go-go dancers and like the bartenders hanging out. In that room, I believe there is a photographer that will take a photo of your erected penis. And then they would print out that photo in, I'm assuming the same room, in the club. And then they would hang it up in the middle of the club on like a string.

• 27:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  And so by the end of the night, you would have like about, I want to say 10, on average, about 10 erected penises, some butts, some boobs, but mostly penises. And everyone at the end of the night would like clap on which photo was their favorite. And that person would then go on to the stage and they would win a prize.

• 27:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  It sounds like you're making this up as you go and because it's that incredible.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. You guys haven't gone?

• 27:51Rayna Greenberg?

  No, can we reopen this club? It's not open anymore. I'm sad that like I didn't get this opportunity.

• 27:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it was a gay club.

• 27:58Rayna Greenberg?

  What, but you said boobs. I want my 40-year-old boobs up on that thing.

• 28:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, were straight women in there? Like, it doesn't seem like that was the vibe.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  I think, I mean, there were women would go, I mean, mostly men. I feel like percentage-wise, probably like 90% men, 10% women. But yeah, there would be boobs, there would be butts.

• 28:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think that you could pick your penis like out of a lineup?

• 28:16Speaker 00

  My own?

• 28:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Like if there was 20 penises, could you pick your vagina out of a lineup?

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Oh, better question.

• 28:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is a better question.

• 28:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, my boobs, probably.

• 28:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what I would do is I would pick a better looking one and then it would be like, oh, that's not mine.

• 28:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, Ashley, that's yours.

• 28:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm like, well.

• 28:35Rayna Greenberg?

  You're like, I don't know.

• 28:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can dream.

• 28:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Like, that's what I think.

• 28:38Rayna Greenberg?

  We were talking like, that's not my business on the last recording. Um, the inside of my vagina, none of my business. What that looks like up close?

• 28:44Speaker 00

  But Sex and the City taught me that every woman should take a look.

• 28:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I've taken a look.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  You've seen that episode?

• 28:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Rayna Greenberg?

  We've taken a look, but I don't care. My problem.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Oh, that's right.

• 28:56Rayna Greenberg?

  That's true. I can't get over this, like, Olin Mills dick, like, photography situation. Like, posing for a dick pic is so funny to me.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 29:05Rayna Greenberg?

  And then I just. But like the process of getting hard in the room too, you're just like, just give me one second and you're just jerking it.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  I was never there. I don't know the process.

• 29:18Speaker 00

  But I think also, like, I will say, like, I think the erected penis got the most attention. But there were some, like, semi, I think it was just, like, based on, like, what you wanted to present. And I think most men wanted to present.

• 29:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Obviously. Okay, so Ernesto was there.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get back to the story. Sorry. We did not participate, but that was a very popular night at this club. And I go up to the bar. I'm with my friend Jazz, who's also my podcast host. Jazz. And we go up to the bar and the bartender comes up to me and he's like, that guy from across the room wants to buy you a drink. What do you want? And like, that had never happened to me before. Like, no, I like, you know, like, I've like met guys at bars, but no one has ever sent me a drink from a bartender. And so it was Ernesto.

• 30:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  He sent the drink and then he like walked into the crowd. So then when I ordered the drink, I walked up to him and I said, thank you so much. We hit it off. I lived down the street from this bar, so I invited him back. We ended up coming back up to my apartment. We started making out, because I was like, let's seal the deal. I like, when I first saw him, I was like, so, I was like, he's so hot, he's so attractive. Come back to my apartment. You bought me a drink. You're so cool. And then as we were making out on the couch, he like threw me off and he said, um, actually, I don't want to hook up. I'd rather just take your number and take you on a proper date, which had also never happened to me.

• 30:35Rayna Greenberg?

  It doesn't happen even that much either. Like, I have sex with all these guys.

• 30:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're like, wait, is this a bit?

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Well, I was just like, after like drinking all night and like passionately making out on our couch, like, you know, like. I'm just like, usually it seals the deal. And so the fact that he was like, no, I want to take you out on a date. I was like, wait, what? We're like in, we're about to, so we didn't hook up that night. He got my number. And then we like started dating the next month and the rest is history.

• 31:02Rayna Greenberg?

  That's kind of the opposite of you and your husband, because he was like, I want to take you out on a date. And you're like, you could show up later.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Oh, wait, what?

• 31:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's so true.

• 31:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Later and I'll fuck you.

• 31:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a long story, but I was like a crush of his. Like, he was a kind of a fan, but he just had like a crush on me. And it's, there's a lot of backstory, but so funny, because like when we came back to tour in Boston where he lived at the time. He was like, can I finally take you on a date? And I was like, no, you can come to the theater at 11:00 PM.

• 31:29Rayna Greenberg?

  After the show.

• 31:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  After the show. And we can fuck in the hotel, basically. And now we're married.

• 31:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I can't recommend enough. Taylor Swift did too.

• 31:41Speaker 00

  Oh, yes. So you recommend it?

• 31:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 31:44Speaker 00

  You recommend it. That's the way to go. Obviously, yeah.

• 31:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's not creepy if they're hot, because I had another stalker fan situation that was super creepy. And we had to like kind of put him on like a do not fly list at the shows.

• 31:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Shashank was like tall, like deep voice.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  Wow, you did it right. Yeah, I like got popular online. After I was like in a committed relationship and like married, so like, I never get to experience like fans. And the same way that you.

• 32:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Only male fan. He might have just been him. It didn't, but it's different for women. Like, I don't know. But how you meet people, I like, I like the, the guy that I'm seeing, which I don't know.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  You have a couple of fans?

• 32:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Hopefully by the time this comes out, we're still dating, but I met him while he was on a date with another girl.

• 32:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, and I just, I just waited.

• 32:32Speaker 00

  Like, you just like walked up and like they were in the middle of like having a date and you're like, how's it going?

• 32:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll figure out how to tell this story.

• 32:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 32:38Speaker 00

  Okay, because it paints you in a bad light?

• 32:40Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 32:42Rayna Greenberg?

  She's a homewrecker.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  Because it paints you as.

• 32:45Rayna Greenberg?

  He went out with somebody one time and then he hit me up and was just like, that's what dating is. You try things out. Didn't work out with her. She's a nice girl, not for me.

• 32:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:53Rayna Greenberg?

  And that was it.

• 32:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  He waited till she was out of the picture, till you guys even started messaging. When, what year was that when you started dating Ernesto?

• 33:00Speaker 00

  That happened in December and so this December it'll be 11 years. Can we do the math there?

• 33:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so it was like a decade.

• 33:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Longer than that.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  He got me when I was young. He got me when I was in my prime. And I tell them this all the time. I had just turned 26 when we met. And I feel like I had a couple of like good years still left in me before I like, we started to seriously date.

• 33:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, I, I agree.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 33:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like people shouldn't like really settle down till they're 30, but it worked out. Is he, he's older?

• 33:28Speaker 00

  He's slightly older.

• 33:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  Like about two years. So I'm 36, he's like 38.

• 33:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay. Just a little bit older.

• 33:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Great age.

• 33:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Great age difference.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, two years older.

• 33:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like sexy zaddy.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he does. And I give young youthful like energy playful. So I think we just like, we like lean, I lean younger, he leans older. So maybe that's it.

• 33:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then what was the decision to combine your Instagram? Like, your handle is Yuli and Ernesto.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he doesn't, it's you.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Right. Thank you for saying that. You're right.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  Well, we started off as a couples account. So it was truly Yuli and Ernesto in the beginning. We did like weekly YouTube videos, um, once a week. Like, we just like randomly kind of like fell into it. We just thought it would be fun. And like, we ended up like loving it and editing the videos together and figuring out the algorithm together and like, oh my God, what's, what are we going to talk about this week? And then we got an Instagram to help our like YouTube page. And then when TikTok came out and Reels, that's kind of like when we started to get more traction. But eventually, as things started getting bigger. Ernesto still has like a nine to five. He's like a corporate girlie.

• 34:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  He like, he has a full-time job, like he gets a bonus every year. It's like one of those things.

• 34:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Got it.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  And so when I started to get more recognizable and our content started to get more recognizable, he was like, I need to take a step back. I think like, he was like, people are starting to recognize me at work. And like, he has like vendor appointments and he like goes into like stores. And he's like, I feel like I, if I'm going to be taken seriously, or like.

• 35:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  No one at his job cares. And then everyone who recognizes him is so nice and so sweet and like, is excited to see him. But I think he like started wanting to have a distance between his professional life and his internet life. He basically took a step back and so I carried on, because I loved it and I wanted to do it and it was working for me. And then that's when I really exploded, was when he stopped working on the social.

• 35:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And now his name's just there, dragging you down. No, I'm just kidding.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Actually, I was considering changing it.

• 35:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  It should just be your name. Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  That's what I was.

• 35:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  No shade to him, like, you know, we don't know him, but like, that's my professional opinion, but that's, you know.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  But I feel like I'm a little afraid because people know even me as Yuli and Ernesto.

• 35:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  People won't care. We've, we said this to friends before.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  Have you changed?

• 35:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I changed mine. So my account got really big because I was a food blogger and it was just like a cute kitschy name. And then we started the podcast and I was like, I just want to post content about me and my life. And so I changed it to my, my just personal name.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, I don't know, I put up an Instagram story and just say like, I'm changing, because I thought your last name at first was Ernesto.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know, I think of like Hannah. Remember Hannah was like Bean Burns, you know, like. People kind of get to a certain level, which obviously I think you're at, and you just got to make it your name.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  But you do you.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was thinking, I think Yuli Morazan is available.

• 36:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  You gotta get it.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, we'll see. But I, I, I changed my picture, the icon on my social media to a photo of us, to a photo of me.

• 36:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we're getting there.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  And people kind of are like, what's going on here? What? On TikTok, I changed my handle from at Yuli and Ernesto to just at Yuli. And that got a little, like, people were like, where's Ernesto? Like, he still has a lot of love online, so I'll consider it.

• 36:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  And it also does say like, like the bold name is Yuli Morazan, but the at is.

• 37:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I think what's important is just like the lesson that like, once you get a man out of your life, you do blow up, which is why, you know. Yeah, just get a man out of there and your life will improve.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Well, there's a whole thing, right? Online, and I don't know if you guys experienced this, but like people who follow creators that are single. And like, once they get a boyfriend or like get a fiance, they're like, I don't want to see him. Like, I don't want him to be in the content. I want you, like.

• 37:30Rayna Greenberg?

  But that's so, okay, let's unpack that, because I was having a conversation with one of our girlfriends that's an influencer and she was single for so long. And then she found this like love of her life. She married the most wonderful person. We love him so much. And she was like, I don't think people wanted that content. I think people wanted the single girly content. I validate that, like, people sign up to watch your content for one reason.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:51Rayna Greenberg?

  And when you pivot, they're like, wait, but I didn't agree to this.

• 37:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, well, right. Like, I think some of that stems from like, I'm following this fashion girly. I don't care about her dusty boyfriend.

• 38:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, it depends on, again, like, why you're following them. For me, I felt like people were so invested in my life and my journey to find love. Because of this podcast.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was, I mean, people really wanted it because of the nature of the content.

• 38:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I said that to her, once she was saying that to me, I was like, Ash and I are really lucky that like our business is just dating and relationships.

• 38:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  So yeah.

• 38:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Anything we do, people are invested in it. Yeah.

• 38:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it depends on like your content.

• 38:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  Because I feel like if you follow someone for fitness and then all of a sudden they're showing you like something else, you're just like, wait, what's going on? Like, thankfully, when Ernesto left, all our stuff, like, that did well, was also under my perspective anyways.

• 38:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  So like, even with him being in less videos, it was still like my voice, my tone. And like, I just created my chaotic energy that I had in my relationship and I just like put it on other things and elsewhere and it ended up being fine. But I think you're right. Like, if I'm following a girl because of like one thing and then she has a boyfriend.

• 39:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  How dare she? But I like those, the content where it's like immediate unfollow.

• 39:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Didn't, I don't want to see him.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  I respect it.

• 39:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I follow these food accounts and like, once in a blue moon, they'll post like their baby announcement. I'm like, oh, I'm not here to see your face. It's right.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  Oh, like you see like only food on there. And they're like, if you're that specific.

• 39:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. What are we, you're supposed to have a family.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  I didn't know that you had a family.

• 39:26Rayna Greenberg?

  How dare you?

• 39:27Speaker 00

  Yes, get your family.

• 39:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I also understand if girls were following me because I am a single girl, living my best life. And then he comes along, I get it if you want to unfollow it. We don't want to see him and that's fine, too.

• 39:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait, I have a question.

• 39:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  So when you guys introduce a guy in your life, is there a level of like discussing things with them, like how much you talk about them? Like, what did you guys decide like for yourselves? Like, was the answer for you? Like, do you just like put everything out there? It's like, how do you, how do you handle that?

• 39:58Rayna Greenberg?

  And we've evolved, the show's evolved. It's very partner specific for me. I've had people be like, I don't want you to talk about me on the show. And I acknowledge that I'm dating somebody, but I'm not going to talk about like what their dick looks like. And at this point in my life, I'm not going to do that at all. But also like, I've had situations where I've like introduced somebody to this audience. They've been with me for the whole ride and we broke up. I had to talk about that, too. And like, that's fine. That's what this podcast is.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  You didn't ask for privacy during a time when you broke up?

• 40:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, I can give more attention.

• 40:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  What had to happen was we were touring and they broke a mid tour and her, her material was about him. And we had to discuss Rayna's level of comfort in which her, the way her material had to pivot. She was like, I don't feel comfortable going and telling the same stories. Like, we're together, we're not together. So it was like.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  So mid tour, you changed up your entire set?

• 40:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause it was about like dating him.

• 40:47Rayna Greenberg?

  And so we have like a show in like seven days.

• 40:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so then we had to put the podcast out because we knew thousands of people were going to come to the show and be like, they're broken up. And so she had to kind of rush her statement.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  No one cares about him at all.

• 41:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  The last episode where it was announced that you guys broke up was going to come out and then people were going to go see the tour. And so it was really awkward to be like, and oh, so you had to really pivot.

• 41:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I had to text him like, um, we have shows and, um, I need to announce this now.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:18Rayna Greenberg?

  No one cares about him.

• 41:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think these things, I don't want to pretend that they're not on our minds, on my mind all the time. I mean, Shashank, it was, I think people, when we first started dating, I did like a, a soft launch. You couldn't tell who he was. And then I, I remember the hard launch and people were so obsessed early on because it was like, I'd been single for so long and I, this was my man. And you know, I felt uncomfortable. Remember I like called you and I was like melting down. I was like, people are sending him stuff from the internet about him. And it made me really upset and he doesn't want to be involved in that. Like he's a private person too.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  He's private.

• 41:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 00

  I feel like I've seen some dipping toes, but nothing crazy.

• 42:02Rayna Greenberg?

  He's a private citizen.

• 42:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 42:03Rayna Greenberg?

  His family is private.

• 42:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, now he, he created this app, so he's trying to get out there a little bit more. But early on I was like, I don't want him getting this kind of attention. I don't want people on fucking Reddit talking shit. Like I, it gave me a lot of anxiety and I was like, I want to pull back, but I don't know. We didn't, I didn't say his name until we got married.

• 42:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then, but then we brought him on the podcast. I think, well, it's like a specific name.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like it's not like, just like, it's not John.

• 42:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Easy to Google and yeah. So there were just a lot of like calculated decisions along the way. And I think the longer we dated years, then we got married, like people started caring less. Like, I think that's when someone immediately gets a partner. That's when it's just so much that people are like, who is he? What does he do? You know, as time went on, people stopped.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  Your content is not partner, you're not a couples account. You're not.

• 42:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Not at all. We talked about dating relationships though. You know, I just, I just like broaden it to the regular audience. Like you're allowed to get excited about somebody and talk about them. If it doesn't work out, that's fine, too. Like you see like people being like, I'm so excited. Oh, wait, nevermind. And like, we've had to do that on the podcast over the years, too.

• 43:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. There's no shame in it.

• 43:15Rayna Greenberg?

  No shame in it.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Oh, no, no, no shame. I just don't know like how you, like what you decide. And obviously it's different per person. Like you're saying, like some people are like down, some people are like not down.

• 43:26Rayna Greenberg?

  The nightmare is a person that is too down.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  Also, like someone who's like, kind of like trying to like, oh, like let me.

• 43:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  What'd you say about me? What are you going to say about me?

• 43:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, this guy, he's like, do what you want. I don't care. But I think he trusts that I'm not going to do something crazy.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I do crazy. That's my thing. I still get in trouble with Ernesto to this day of what I post and like what I'm posting.

• 43:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Just going to take a quick break and we are going to get back into it. I am so excited to talk about day hair. You guys, we love this hair care brand. It is clean. It is so luxurious, but of course affordable. It smells so good. It works so well. So we are really talking about the Cactus Fruit 3-in-1 Styling Cream today. And this is truly one of those products where the reputation actually makes sense. Like everybody talks about this. You'll find it all over TikTok and the internet. It has gone viral for slick backs, but you don't have to use it for that. You can use it as a blow dry cream. You can define your waves or curls with an air dry, which I've been doing more, just letting my hair dry naturally. Or you can just use it to add shine. You can use it to slick down.

• 44:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you have like baby hairs or like edges, like you can use it up there. Like I just have new growth always. And I just feel like I hate the way it looks. It doesn't give me like a clean look across my forehead. So I'll use it up there and it doesn't look oily. But I really use it as soon as I towel dry my hair and then just let it air dry and has these really nice waves about it. And again, you can use it just like back as well. It really becomes such a staple. I bring it with me everywhere. You can use it so many different ways, depending on the look you're going for. And there's a version that's on the go packaging with a built in taming wand. So that is perfect for taming flyaways, smoothing frizz and styling edges. So it just does everything. It is just one of the best hair care products we've seen in a while.

• 45:12Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 45:44Rayna Greenberg?

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• 46:27Rayna Greenberg?

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• 46:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's unreal.

• 46:59Rayna Greenberg?

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• 47:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So I do want to talk about this because a lot of your brand is having these hall passes and just being flirty. And this reel I saw that you did recently was one of the funniest fucking things. So you commented on Bad Bunny's underwear photo or whatever. And you made a reel that was like, I posted a private message in his comments. Like just that alone was very funny. And he was like, and it has 10,000 likes or whatever. People were tagging your husband. I just found it so funny. So your whole brand is like, I have all these crushes.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. That is somewhere that I've leaned into a little bit. They were tagging Ernesto, but I was also just like more upset that they were tagging Pedro Pascal.

• 48:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Your other, yes.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Which is like my other man.

• 48:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what it was. Yeah.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  It's one thing to tag my husband, but it's another thing to tag my next husband.

• 48:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Your other husband. Yeah.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  My other husband, my boyfriend, my lover. You know, like they were just trying to take down every possible relationship that I had at the moment, which felt rude.

• 48:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  This private covers.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  As I was working on another one, like it felt rude. A girl's got to eat, right? Like, that's why we're here.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Like stop tagging these people.

• 48:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, leave, bring you along. You know, is, does he just let you cook all the time? Like this, is all this stuff really funny to him? Or is he ever like, you gotta take it down or not? You know, like, I don't know. You guys seem like you have a great, secure relationship.

• 49:03Speaker 00

  We unfortunately have a really healthy relationship.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  That is very secure. And I feel like, I mean, if there's any indication that you have a healthy, secure relationship is calling your husband, your current husband and dragging him on the internet like all the time. And having all these like celebrity male crushes. So he's fine. Like we laugh about it. He thinks it's fun. Like, I mean, he's not like jumping for joy, but like, he understands that like, you know, like you guys know, like this is like a one minute video. I think the last time we talked about, like friends will ask him a lot, like how it makes him feel. And he said two things, as long as a check keeps coming in, he's fine.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  And also, um, he says, the likelihood of me ever being or hooking up with any of these men is so unbelievably low.

• 49:59Rayna Greenberg?

  He's like, you won't. He's like, bet.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  He's like not, he's like, my concerns are not there. I have no concerns.

• 50:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Does that make you want to be like, bet?

• 50:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I will do it. Okay. I live in LA. Watch me.

• 50:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you meet Pedro Pascal?

• 50:15Speaker 00

  Not yet.

• 50:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not yet. You have it. Okay. But you, have you been in the room with him?

• 50:18Speaker 00

  Multiple times.

• 50:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  Multiple times.

• 50:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's always like hot celebrities walking through the Dear Media offices. Like maybe you'll see somebody. But I'm sure he's seen your content. Don't you think?

• 50:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he follows me.

• 50:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay, right. So he just seems so cool.

• 50:32Speaker 00

  He's liked a couple of my videos and he's commented a couple of my videos.

• 50:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Commented.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, there have been a couple of comments, yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, I made it my entire personality. And it's so like, yeah, that's also kind of fun. Like, if Ernesto's worried about anyone, it's probably Pedro because he's the most interactive with me.

• 50:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's pretty close for comfort, yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  And so I got invited to the Fantastic Four premiere after like my thing. So I, my whole story with Pedro was that he started following me based on The Last of Us. You watch that show? You know that show?

• 51:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  My husband watches it. It's a little man. It's a man show?

• 51:08Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a little violent.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  It's violent.

• 51:10Rayna Greenberg?

  He is wonderful, though. We obviously love him.

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Something happens to him in the second season. I made a video about it. It went viral. He followed me based on that video. And so then I made my personality. Pedro Pascal follows me for, I think, to this day is still part of my brand. Anyways, we went to the Fantastic Four premiere, but I didn't get to meet him. I've been to the Mandalorian premiere. I didn't get to meet him. We were both at the Super Bowl, at Bad Bunny. He walked past me. Like, we were literally going to get, like, concessions. And as we were going up the stairs, he was walking past. And Ernesto was like, oh, my God, that's Pedro. Go say hi. And I was like, I'm not gonna run to him with his back turned like a crazy person and say hi to him.

• 51:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you have a publicist?

• 51:52Speaker 00

  No.

• 51:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  They need to be coordinating this. Because people will eat this up. Like, the publicist needs to be involved. But, I mean, you don't have them. But I'm just saying, like, I feel like we need to get you hooked up.

• 52:02Rayna Greenberg?

  If there is a publicist, you know, there's publicists listening, like, reach out.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  I do think that the day it happens, and the day I drop it online, will be a very big day. Big day for me, big day for me, whatever movie he's producing. Small day for Pedro, but big day for everyone else.

• 52:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, can we go through your list of men?

• 52:28Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I screenshotted one, but it's not the full list. You've since added to it, but.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Well, you know, I posted that list, and then everyone's like, you're missing this person, you're missing that person, like, where's this person? And then also, I'm like, oh, now that I'm starting an official list, let me just, like, keep adding.

• 52:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, you know what I'm devastated about is we to make lists this morning. His list is, a lot of mine are on his list. It's a comprehensive list.

• 52:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, I just think, like, in general, our audience, that you make your own list after this. And Ashley and I will too.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 52:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, and this is a list of just the hottest men. I mean.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  These are my men specifically.

• 53:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Your men, yes, yes.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  My men that I have claimed.

• 53:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so Ashley, you can't have them. Well, actually, not even Jalen. Okay, you know, it's fine. Let's just go through it.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  And you know what? People get upset about that. But like, I'm leaving a lot of other men out there.

• 53:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Plenty of fish in the sea.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  There's plenty of fish in the sea. The population is big. I'm leaving a lot of men out there for everyone else. This is just my men.

• 53:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so you guys, he has dibs on all of them. Don't even try it.

• 53:26Speaker 00

  Okay, Pedro Pascal.

• 53:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  In no particular order, I should say. Because people are like, why are they down there? Like, no particular.

• 53:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys relax.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  But Pedro Pascal is number one.

• 53:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Benito, Tom Holland, specifically.

• 53:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't actually see the appeal. I think he's amazing, but I don't see the appeal. To go to Pedro Pascal, Benito, and then Tom Holland, like, it's a jump scare.

• 53:48Rayna Greenberg?

  You don't see it coming.

• 53:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because that is the most vanilla man alive.

• 53:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  In no particular order.

• 53:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  What do you like about him?

• 53:54Rayna Greenberg?

  You're like, Latin, tall, sexy.

• 53:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I want to know what you like about him.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  Oh, I just recently saw Spider-Man: Brand New Day, and I just liked what I saw.

• 54:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, all right. You know what?

• 54:04Rayna Greenberg?

  You love it as Spider-Man.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  You know, and I will say, because of the Spider-Man movie, there's been a lot of interviews with him and Zendaya. And I also think that there's like a really cute couple.

• 54:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  He seems incredible, by the way.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  And he's just like, there's just been, like, I see them interact, and it just, like, reminds me of the the relationship that I want to have.

• 54:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, the love is just.

• 54:20Speaker 00

  You know, like, two people that are, like, happy with each other and laughing and are.

• 54:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  He hypes her. They seem like really wonderful couple.

• 54:26Speaker 00

  Wait, why do you think he's disgusting?

• 54:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I don't.

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Why do you hate Tom Holland?

• 54:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I, he's too short for her. There, it's the height. He looks really young, and he's white, and he's short, which is like, she's out on all fronts.

• 54:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, here's the thing. Incredible actor, incredible partner. When I watch him on screen, I'm like, it could be any white guy.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 54:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  He doesn't grab me.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he is a wonderful actor. Ashley, you don't like white guys. It's okay.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, okay. There's a couple of white guys up here.

• 54:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Are they short?

• 54:57Speaker 00

  Ricky Moran.

• 55:01Speaker 00

  Ferran Torres. Do you know who that is?

• 55:03Rayna Greenberg?

  So even more Tom Holland is a pivot, because we've gone right back to Latin.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Who is he?

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Ferran Torres is a Spanish footballer, played in the World Cup, scored the winning goal. The only goal in the World Cup is the score that he made. I don't know what you call it. Okay, Jalen Hurts. Do you know who that is?

• 55:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  We are. That's all I talk about. There was a point where I was like, say Jalen Hurts one more time, actually, on this episode.

• 55:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Jalen Hurts was the third host of this podcast.

• 55:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Huge Eagles fan and huge Jalen Hurts fan. He just seems like a great guy. He's so great.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  All women, management team.

• 55:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, what he does in the community and for kids and charities and all these things. So we would say he was the only man that could pull that goatee off. But he's gotten rid of the goatee. He's just doing a mustache now. It's an interesting choice.

• 55:55Speaker 00

  I haven't seen the updated look.

• 55:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I like a mustache, though. I'm very turned on by mustache.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 55:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  He can do no wrong.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  I love a mustache, too. Ernesto and Pedro famously both have mustaches.

• 56:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  We talked about it, like, it was so trending.

• 56:06Speaker 00

  Listen, there's something about a guy with a mustache and a guy with glasses that just.

• 56:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, glasses, hairy jowsey.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  It just, like, gets me. You like Harry Jassy. Is that, you're like, number one?

• 56:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Harry Jassy. He's so beautiful.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  Does he have a mustache and glasses?

• 56:27Speaker 00

  A guy that can't see.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  I like a guy with a handicap, you know? Like, that's just me.

• 56:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I like when they wake up in the morning, they're like, you're so beautiful in the morning. And I'm like, you don't have your contacts in. I love that about you.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, like Ernesto every morning is like, where are my glasses? Where are my glasses? I can't find them. And I was like, wow. You really need me. To survive. Sorry, this is a long list, so we can edit down. Jalen Hurts, super sexy.

• 56:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yeah.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Great personality, charity, woman, manager, who cares? He's hot.

• 56:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 56:59Speaker 00

  Shawn Mendes, recently added to the list. How do you feel? Mendes, not Latino, though. How do we feel?

• 57:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm indifferent. I'm objectively good-looking guy.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  Objectively attractive.

• 57:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Objectively, don't care one way or the other.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shawn, with Camila Cabello?

• 57:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Are they still together?

• 57:14Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Of the Camila Cabello household, yes.

• 57:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Remember them kissing was kind of an ick?

• 57:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Is that so random, too? He's very attractive.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Good-looking guy. Don't, I don't care one way or the other.

• 57:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I remember getting them, seeing them, like, fake kiss. Remember?

• 57:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Again, too white for her.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  And you're not into it either. Wow, the white men are really.

• 57:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're leaving them for you.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  It's a really hard time for white men right now. And you guys are not helping, you're not helping it.

• 57:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Let's give them their flowers.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Slavko Vincic. Do we know?

• 57:44Rayna Greenberg?

  S-L-A-V.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  Slavko Vincic.

• 57:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Is he Russian?

• 57:47Speaker 00

  He was the ref for the World Cup final.

• 57:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Slavko.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Although someone said you don't pronounce the K or the V. I don't know. Someone was like, that's not how you pronounce it.

• 57:57Rayna Greenberg?

  He's a bit of a daddy. Okay, he's older.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Yes, I like a daddy. I like a daddy. I also like a guy that's like a little sassy. And he was like, very like, no, you guys go over there.

• 58:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, he kind of looks like an asshole in a hot way. Is he, is he Russian?

• 58:12Speaker 00

  He's Slovenian.

• 58:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I think those men are so hot.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  He's Slovenian.

• 58:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you have to be white.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Okay, Jude Bellingham.

• 58:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do I know that?

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Sorry, I'm like, recently in sports. I like, I have a couple of things that I latch on to. One of them being my current husband, one of them being Pedro Pascal, and now sports.

• 58:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, all these World Cup players.

• 58:29Speaker 00

  So he was a English World Cup player, who is so hot.

• 58:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Who was the guy that we were all obsessed with, the Nigerian?

• 58:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  The goalkeeper.

• 58:38Rayna Greenberg?

  He was not in the World Cup.

• 58:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was not in the World Cup.

• 58:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And he had some, he had something with Cardi B.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  Mamba, uh, ma, something. He, I got a lot of, like, when I did my World Cup series, they were like, look at this guy.

• 58:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maduka.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  Maduka?

• 58:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maduka Okoye.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  I kind of, for the sports girlies out there, I've gotten invested. The Jonas Brothers at the same time.

• 59:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  All three?

• 59:01Speaker 00

  All three.

• 59:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  You need all three. It's all three or nothing.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  I mean, I do have a favorite.

• 59:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, rank them.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  I do have a favorite. So this is a journey. Not everything needs to be a story. But when I was younger, like, Joe was a sexual awakening for me.

• 59:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  Then I moved on to Nick.

• 59:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  And now I'm back on Joe.

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God, I thought you were gonna say Kevin.

• 59:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Can I tell you guys a secret?

• 59:25Speaker 00

  Who else thought Kevin was coming?

• 59:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know which one is which. I only know them by which women they're married to. I don't, I've never learned any of their names. I only identify them by who they are married to.

• 59:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's how it should be.

• 59:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, cuz I'm trying to de-center men.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, okay. Sorry, I try to center men at all times.

• 59:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, which one's married to Priyanka Chopra?

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Nick. Nick.

• 59:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Nick, okay.

• 59:48Speaker 00

  And then who else?

• 59:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Was married to Sophie Turner?

• 59:51Speaker 00

  Joe.

• 59:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and then the one that had the reality show with his not-famous wife is?

• 59:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kevin.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  Kevin.

• 59:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, that's the only one that I know.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  And they're white and they're short. I'm so sorry about that.

• 1:00:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nick Jonas is a Tom Holland vibe. They just look really young.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like I watched their Christmas movie. I was like, is Nick Jonas 12?

• 1:00:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Of age, yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  The thing is, is that Kevin is just a little, he seems a little too quiet for me, like a little too nice. No offense, I will be like a nice guy, but like I need a little bit more spice in my life. Nick seems like he takes himself a little too seriously, especially like when I'm seeing the tour, they're like, they're on tour right now and I'm like, oh. And Joe just seems kind of like a goofball and I like a guy with wide eyes. So I was like, I go to Joe.

• 1:00:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:00:32Speaker 00

  Do you guys have a favorite?

• 1:00:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I think Joe might be my favorite.

• 1:00:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's gotta be Joe.

• 1:00:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Nick just looks super young to me.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  I thought you were gonna say Kevin, because you were disappointed that I didn't say Kevin, so I thought that was your number one.

• 1:00:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do people have Kevin as their number?

• 1:00:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I think Joe unanimously is the one.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  No offense to Kevin, but I think it's like one of those things where it's like, when you're trying to be a little different, you're like, you're not like everyone else.

• 1:00:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's pick me.

• 1:00:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, pick me.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  It's a little pick me to choose Kevin. You know, like I'm not like other girls, like I actually like Kevin, you know? No offense to Kevin, if friend of the pod.

• 1:01:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not a regular girl, I'm a cool girl.

• 1:01:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I love, the Christmas movie is really cute. Did you see it?

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  Yes, very cute, very cute. Um, okay, Paul W. Downs, a new ad. Connor Story, Hudson Williams.

• 1:01:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, Connor.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, Connor Story, who plays opposite him?

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Hudson Williams.

• 1:01:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Which one is he, Leah?

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Connor Story.

• 1:01:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Connor Story is like up there, I like, I know he doesn't really have a Russian accent, but like him with a Russian.

• 1:01:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I love him.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  Good.

• 1:01:28Rayna Greenberg?

  It's, I mean, he's so fuckable, it's insane.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, um, okay, I said the off-campus guys.

• 1:01:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, it was such a horny show because of them.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they were all just so like emotionally intelligent and communicative, like that was just so hot.

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, it's very hot.

• 1:01:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Not enough men having sex with each other in that show for me.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  Thank you, same. I like, I couldn't, I like Heat of Rivalry and then you have this and I'm like.

• 1:01:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I know, I'm like, when are these guys gonna start having sex with each other?

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  What is this?

• 1:01:54Rayna Greenberg?

  None of you are gonna suck each other off?

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I have to watch this whole show?

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  Not even one time?

• 1:01:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Seriously, no hand jobs.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Like I never do that.

• 1:02:01Speaker 00

  And you know what, to me, that just seems unrealistic. That just seems unrealistic, from what I've seen from Heat of Rivalry.

• 1:02:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Athletes, yeah, I bet.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  There's at least one. Jonathan Bailey, um, Guy at Gym.

• 1:02:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jonathan Bailey is.

• 1:02:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Guy at Gym.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  Guy at Gym, Theo James.

• 1:02:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Theo James, so such a small.

• 1:02:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Such a strong list.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Uh, Milo Ventimiglia.

• 1:02:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Maluma, Carlos Alcarez, and my current husband, which is the only one that is checked off from my list at the moment.

• 1:02:31Rayna Greenberg?

  The fact is I love him most, it's cuz he's the only one that I've fucked.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  He's the only one that I've gotten.

• 1:02:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, Maluma?

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  So one down.

• 1:02:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Was in that J Lo movie, this was a really good movie, like years ago I watched it on a plane, he, he was like, had me so turned on, he's so, so hot. And he played like a singer.

• 1:02:46Speaker 00

  Maluma, Tim?

• 1:02:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  What movie?

• 1:02:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Marry Me. Do you guys remember this, 20, like 2022 rom-com? Jennifer Lopez played a pop star and Maluma played her fiance Bastian, who was also like a star.

• 1:02:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, he's so hot.

• 1:03:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys, you gotta get into it. He's so sexy in that movie.

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  Is he? I mean, I, he is sexy. Um, so I feel like I do definitely, is this a type?

• 1:03:08Rayna Greenberg?

  You like Latin guys, you like short white guys?

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  And short, white, funny guys.

• 1:03:12Rayna Greenberg?

  A couple of black men, but a lot of athletes.

• 1:03:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Rayna Greenberg?

  You love an athlete. Okay, but we're refereeing.

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, but did you, did this kind of shift with the World Cup? I mean.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 00

  Like, I have like, um, I started doing fantasy football for the first time last year and I did like a series of like all the people that I wanted on my team, all hot men.

• 1:03:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 1:03:33Speaker 00

  And it kind of like opened my world to more sports and so like, it's like, you also kind of go where like your audience wants you to go. So they wanted a fantasy football series every week. Um, I gave that to them, that led to World Cup, now I'm going to the US Open in a couple of weeks.

• 1:03:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, this is great. Wow, congrats on all this.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  And it's literally just me thirsting and following all the hotties in sports.

• 1:03:55Rayna Greenberg?

  So I love this inspo, it's just like, you know, just like dress for the job you want.

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Rayna Greenberg?

  You know? That's why I was such a slut in my twenties and now we have this podcast that is about dating and relationships and sex.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 1:04:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, look what we did, actually, yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  Wait, so you guys, would you guys say you have a type and why would that be?

• 1:04:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a couple of specific types, but like if I could build a man, it's like a bald guy with a beard and like tattoos.

• 1:04:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rain is a really specific type.

• 1:04:19Rayna Greenberg?

  A very specific type. Like I want you to look like a bouncer, like, and it's so funny when my friends clock it, like Ashley and I were walking to a hotel yesterday.

• 1:04:26Speaker 00

  Very muscular, I'm assuming.

• 1:04:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm big, much, good. It's funny, we were walking to a hotel yesterday and I had made eye contact with like one of the valet guys and Ashley was like, how wet are you? Like, it's like, that's my specific, and then weirdly I'm attracted to a lot of gingers and I can't explain.

• 1:04:41Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:04:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like these two ends of the spectrum.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:04:46Rayna Greenberg?

  But, yeah.

• 1:04:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like Dave Batista is her. That's my number one, like number one.

• 1:04:51Rayna Greenberg?

  WWE, he's also an actor, he's also known for like fostering a lot of dogs, he's an advocate for women and for gay people, he hates Donald Trump, I mean, he's just an angel.

• 1:05:00Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, he has lesbian moms.

• 1:05:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, lesbian moms.

• 1:05:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 1:05:03Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know that.

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  Oh, so this would be like, you're not like only dating this, but if you were to build a man.

• 1:05:08Rayna Greenberg?

  If I build a person.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  That you were like, okay, this is it.

• 1:05:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Rain always jokes, she's really put bald men on the map, like she prefers it.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:05:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause I think a lot of women don't want that, you know, they want like full head of hair and.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a very big insecurity for a lot of men, so the fact that you're like lifting them up.

• 1:05:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she's encouraged guys to go bald that have needed to.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  Oh, that is like.

• 1:05:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  That where it's like really kind of balding and she's like, just do it and they've done it and like, it's such a good look.

• 1:05:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Floodgates of pussy just open for them. It's confident to me, it's really confident to walk around looking like that.

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  Just to be that brave.

• 1:05:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I do it by like comedy, I say like, it's so brave, like those guys don't give a fuck.

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Rayna Greenberg?

  About anything.

• 1:05:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  But sometimes they just have to.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Quick question about the bald. Do you prefer like a Mr. Clean? Or like, like a five o'clock shadow or does it not matter?

• 1:06:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, it's funny you said that cuz this morning I requested a five o'clock shadow, cuz he was kind of shaving his head and I was like, I don't like it, it's too. He has like an electric shaver, he does his head in the morning and I don't, I, I want a five o'clock shadow, thank you for asking.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I just didn't know how specific a bald we were getting.

• 1:06:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't wanna see like a glare in it.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Like you don't wanna see your face, like when you're like a reflection of yourself.

• 1:06:23Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a shine, we've gone too far.

• 1:06:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, that's so fair.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, good to know. But I'm sure there's a lot of men out there that are also very hot, but like I just wanted you to know.

• 1:06:32Rayna Greenberg?

  They're not for me, but yes.

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  Okay, got it, just a little, a little something there.

• 1:06:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  We have hardly ever crossed over on a guy, like we've never gone for the same guy, or every once in a while someone, you know, maybe they'd walk in the room that objectively hot, but we've never really. We have different, opposite tastes, that's best friends.

• 1:06:49Rayna Greenberg?

  There was one guy, we both went on a date with one time, he is very hot.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  And but there's some guys that are just like everyone's, everyone's attracted to them.

• 1:06:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:59Rayna Greenberg?

  We put like seven years in between that and she was engaged, like I waited until she was engaged.

• 1:07:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I encouraged her to go out, yeah, I wasn't, but.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  Oh, wait, wait, wait, so like you guys were both single at one point and both thought he was attractive, but then after?

• 1:07:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I went out with him in 2019. 2019 and didn't have sex, we just made out a little and went on a couple of dates.

• 1:07:17Speaker 00

  Oh, and you were also attracted to him?

• 1:07:19Rayna Greenberg?

  He's just objectively a good looking guy.

• 1:07:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  At that point and then we, we moved here and I was like, like once I was with my, my current husband, I was like, you should go out with him and just see.

• 1:07:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I ran into him on the street.

• 1:07:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  She kept running into him.

• 1:07:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I kept running into him.

• 1:07:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was like, just, yeah, just go for it.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  So quick question, not to get too juicy.

• 1:07:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, do it.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Not to get too crazy.

• 1:07:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 00

  But do you think you would have needed that blessing? Like, would it have been weird if you had done that without you knowing or like without the acknowledgement?

• 1:07:46Rayna Greenberg?

  That would've been real, so I think our friends are always like, you know, at which point am I allowed to date somebody that you dated and like, when do we cross the line? This is not somebody that she really had strong feelings for, she had a relationship with him, like.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  So it wouldn't have been like a thing?

• 1:07:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, not at all. I think you told me you ran into him and I was like, you should maybe pursue it. I guess there's a little retainer was like, I ran into him, and I'm into him, what do you think? And that also would have been like, it's fine, but I don't know, would it have been different if I was single? I don't, I don't know.

• 1:08:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I would, I would have felt differently about it. If he had said like, do you wanna go out, I would have never mentioned it and I would have never done it and I probably would never talk to him again, like, I can't. Imagine a man in the world that I would ever let come between us. That would be insane.

• 1:08:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. But we always talk about that. If you go on a date with somebody and it's not a love match and you think they might work with your friend. I remember doing it with this guy in New York. He took me on this great date. I remember he like, he spoke Spanish. I just, there was things about him that I thought he might be good for a friend of mine and I did set them up and they did go out. It didn't work out between them. But I just think, why not? Like, it's not my ex.

• 1:08:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  So.

• 1:08:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I think the worst case scenario is like, your friend dates a person that kind of rejects them. Crazy, strife, like the Amanda Petula, West Sierra, but all.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, like.

• 1:08:59Rayna Greenberg?

  And your front row.

• 1:09:00Speaker 00

  Them and then they picked the other like, okay.

• 1:09:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Your front row for like, all the trauma that your friend went through. And you're like, I'm gonna date him now.

• 1:09:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Rayna Greenberg?

  That's the top top of shitty.

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz it's like, that's, that's something that hurts me still. And now you're like cosigning on their like rejection of me. Like, yeah.

• 1:09:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 00

  There was one time Jazz, who is like my bestie.

• 1:09:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is that your long time best friend or like a newer?

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  He's not my longest friend, but being two gay men who went to college together, came out around the same time. We lived together for like six years. Like, we've been friends for like, I wanna say like 20 years. Like, I think like, we have a lot of like paths that cross, but I have so many like best friends. But he's like, probably like my bestest friend. Only because we have so many shared experiences, like liking a straight guy, like all these other things. Um, but one time I did walk in on him at a party, making out with someone that he knew I had a crush on.

• 1:09:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  That would like crush me. Were you guys really young?

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, we were like, no, we were like in our twenties, just moved to LA, both working at like the same restaurant.

• 1:10:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  What happened? Did you, like, how did you guys work it out?

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  You know what? I forgot about it.

• 1:10:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  So you're not a woman. Okay, I would never forget.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  He recently, on the podcast, he was like, remind it, remember when I did that? And I was like, actually, no, I kind of forgot about that. You did that. Which is like, great for like, long-term relationships when someone does something very hurtful. No, I don't remember my reaction. I think I obviously was pissed. I think we were both like, really drunk. It was like, at a house party, very mean girls, like Regina, George and Katie Heron. Like, knew I had a crush on him and then like, he went for it. We're still besties to this day.

• 1:10:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  But like, probably.

• 1:10:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stronger.

• 1:10:41Speaker 00

  I think at the time, I'm assuming, like, I was like, fuck you.

• 1:10:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Like, well, you did to me. But again, like, also, this was like crushing a guy that didn't have a crush back on me. I would like, talk about him all the time. I don't think it's okay. But like, he wasn't like, he like, tried to make out with like, someone that I was actively dating and like, gonna marry one. Like, he didn't like, make out with Ernesto. And like, I was like, what are you talking, like, this was someone that I would like, fawn over a lot, but.

• 1:11:06Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's, I guess everything is like, context and nuance, but like, if I say to a friend of mine, like, I really have feelings for somebody. And they're like, what I'm gonna do is go after him. Maybe I'll take a shot. Like, I don't like it.

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  No, yeah, I think it's really fucked up.

• 1:11:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's, I mean, I feel like it's almost, can hurt worse if you feel like someone chose your friend over you. This happened, we, we all went on this trip this one year, me and a couple girlfriends. And there was this guy that was on the trip and I thought we were flirting. I thought we had a vibe. I had a crush on him and we got back from the trip and he asked my friend out. I was like, oh my god. Whoa.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I had to tell her, like, I'm not gonna begrudge you this, but I feel a little rejected. And a little weird.

• 1:11:46Speaker 00

  You told her?

• 1:11:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I was like, I.

• 1:11:47Speaker 00

  Oh, because like, you had such a vibe with him and like.

• 1:11:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I thought we did, but we did not.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  To her?

• 1:11:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I guess he had a vibe with her. It was just like, we're all single, he's on the trip. Like, I guess we were all flirting. Who's to say? You know, I just thought he was gonna pick me.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  And he didn't. And.

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  But that didn't ruin your relationship with her.

• 1:12:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but I was like, it's a little weird for me. And I don't really, probably wanna hear all the details of your date. Like, I normally would hear about all the details of your, of your date. As like, two single girlies running around New York dating, you know, and it actually turned out really fine. And he fucked her over. So dodgeball for me. She's like, we're fine now cuz he actually did something terrible to her.

• 1:12:23Speaker 00

  No, but, yes.

• 1:12:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I really, actually, I totally did get over it. And then I felt for her. He was kind of an asshole. It was a bummer.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 1:12:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I wasn't celebrating that.

• 1:12:32Speaker 00

  So similar to the Jazz make out story, the night that he made out with him was the last, he was like, moving out of the state. And he was like, away. He was also our coworker. So I think it would've been completely different if I was reminded every day by seeing him. Or if they started dating, that would've been completely, like, like a reminder that like, you screwed me over, over and over again. But literally, we never saw him again after that. So I think that ended up helping.

• 1:12:57Rayna Greenberg?

  No, of course it did. I mean, I had a situation with a friend. It's kind of fresh, but like, a really close friend of mine that I had, um, no. Ashley would never, um, fight on camera. I had had feelings for this guy on and off for a long time. We'd slept together kind of recently. And he pursued a friend of mine. And I said to both of them, like, what did you think was, this is one of my best friends. And I said to both of them, what did you think was gonna happen?

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I was gonna spend time with you two, hear about this, go on vacations with you guys. And now they're both dead to me.

• 1:13:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then they did end up dating. But it's kind of like, you kind of try to predict what it would look like. And you're like, how would we ever get to?

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, a place where we could just all be at, like a fun hang. I don't know. It would be a little weird. It would've been crazy. But also luckily, they didn't really date. And I mean, they're both out of my life, but, you know.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  Right, right. So you like, yeah. You guys, after that, you immediately were like, and we're done.

• 1:13:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I'm joking about the situation. It was very painful. And someday I will talk about it a little bit more on the podcast.

• 1:13:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, there was, I also like, with Ashley and this guy, I told her I ran into this guy. We had a conversation. She was like, do you wanna go out with him? My friend lied to me about this for weeks.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what's, that's what's, I think that, that makes it worse too.

• 1:14:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I don't know. I can see, I think we're all trying to find somebody. You know, if you went to your friend, you were like, I think we have something here. And how would you feel? And if I wanna pursue this and they can decide yes or no. But I, I don't know. These things can get tricky cuz it's like, we didn't work out, but I don't know.

• 1:14:28Rayna Greenberg?

  It would've been a hard no for me with these two specific people.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:14:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Cuz I'm around him a lot and that was one of my best friends. And she knew how painful it was for me. And I was like, you're like negotiating with me about going out with him now? What are we doing here?

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:14:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So I think there's a million levels to this. And like, everybody's had a situation like this.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  I mean, there's so many, like, again, that's why I feel like Jazz, like, we've gone through so much because like, we, we are, I've been the only two that have experienced kind of both flirting with someone, like, kind of like what you're saying, like, oh, I think he's flirting with me. Oh, I think he's flirting with me. And like, and like, having that, like, oh, wait. He chose, he chose someone else. Or like, you know, like.

• 1:15:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, did you say you guys both, something about straight guys? What did you say? You both were into straight guys?

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  Oh, like, like what it feels like, like, to be a gay man and be like, oh, maybe he, I think like, is he flirting with me? Is he not? Like, maybe he's gay. He hasn't really like, announced that. Like, that feeling of like, pining over someone that like, you don't know their sexuality. Like, I have so many girlfriends that are such deep friends, but they're like, Jazz will be the only one that knows like, what that really feels like.

• 1:15:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, just that life experience. Yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, to be like, a gay man that's kind of like, wondering like, that feeling of like, not being sure. Like, obviously, so many people feel that in general, but like, to be a gay man and feel that and be like, do you think he's straight? Like, maybe, I don't know. There's like a vibe that, I don't.

• 1:15:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Have you had that happen a lot?

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  So many times.

• 1:15:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  What, you, how does, how does it usually play out?

• 1:15:49Rayna Greenberg?

  They're gay. I think everybody's gay. I think everyone's gay.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  I.

• 1:15:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, have you ever had to ask somebody straight up, like, is there a vibe, what's happening here? Or does it just come out?

• 1:15:59Speaker 00

  I like to have crushes on people.

• 1:16:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, okay. Yeah, it makes me feel alive.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  One of the, like, one of the saddest things about being married is like, missing that like, crush. Cuz like, I like, was a serial crusher. I, just like, the highs, the lows, the fake scenarios that you made up in your head. Like, it was so addicting. I love it. And now I found a way back in with these celebrity crushes.

• 1:16:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  Which feels good to me. Um, but yeah, I was always like, wondering. And like, similar to what you just said, I feel like everyone's on a spectrum. I feel like, especially with like, straight men, like, they don't, they don't have the ability to be as comfortable exploring their sexuality.

• 1:16:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course not.

• 1:16:40Speaker 00

  Say, like, in, like, in pop culture, right? Like, once you like, kiss a guy at a party, there's no going back for that. You're gay, like, whatever.

• 1:16:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Women are not held to this standard whatsoever.

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  Right. Although I have kissed plenty of men that have ended up with women and like, married with kids. Like, it's fine.

• 1:16:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I just don't think men are not as empowered to just go out and explore.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  I mean, and caveat, those are theater guys. It's a little different in the theater.

• 1:17:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Speaker 00

  You know? Um, but to answer your question, I would never ask. I would always just kind of go off of like flirtation. And to this day, I will be like, these guys were flirting with me. Whether, whether it was for, because of sexuality and they were attracted to me, or because of attention. And they just liked the fact that someone liked them, regardless of the gender of that other person. Like, I would be like, there's too many, I'm not crazy. I'm not a crazy person. But there was one guy in particular that will remain unnamed to save him. But he was very flirtatious with me. And I had a huge crush on him. And at one point, we were drinking, we were pre-gaming, which for those young people, if you don't know, that's drinking.

• 1:17:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Funny. Do they even pre-gay?

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

  I don't think they do. No.

• 1:17:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  They barely drank. They're definitely.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  It's a dying art.

• 1:17:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  They don't drink before they drink.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  No, they barely, they barely drink, so they're not, so they're not drinking before.

• 1:17:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Shower beers. Carolina, do you?

• 1:17:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 1:17:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Caroline is, she's different.

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. She's different. She likes Kevin Jonas. She's a different one.

• 1:18:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Caroline, are you a Gen Z? No. You're a millennial on the cusp.

• 1:18:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  You're a cusp.

• 1:18:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're on the right side of his.

• 1:18:12Rayna Greenberg?

  You're an adult.

• 1:18:12Speaker 00

  She still got introduced to pre-gaming before it started dying.

• 1:18:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  But for those that don't know, pre-gaming was the act of drinking before going out to drink some more.

• 1:18:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 1:18:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shower beers, then people would come over.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:18:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Me in college, let's black out before we go out.

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  So this guy was particularly flirtatious and we're pre-gaming one night and I get a text from him saying, hey, meet us at the bars. Like, I feel like I can make out with anyone tonight. And I would have, I think there was something that flipped in me with that text that was almost so aggressive because the flirtation had always been so much more subtle, but to say something a little bit.

• 1:18:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Overtly sexual.

• 1:18:52Speaker 00

  Overtly sexual.

• 1:18:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  Kind of pissed me off. And then, and I was also drinking.

• 1:18:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:59Speaker 00

  And so I go up to the bar and he's like very excited to see me. He's like, hey, cause like we were friends. Like this was like someone that I saw a lot and like we were, we were guy friends.

• 1:19:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:08Speaker 00

  He was my bro. Anyways, I go up to the bar and I was like, can I talk to you outside? And I basically, the only guy that I ever did this with, I was like, what did you mean by your text?

• 1:19:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:19:18Speaker 00

  And he was like, oh yeah, it was a joke. Like, don't worry about it. Like, I was just like.

• 1:19:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Gaslighting.

• 1:19:23Speaker 00

  Joking, like, like how we joke, like we joke. And I was like, okay, but like, what if I ended up kissing you? Like, what if I came in here, this is a guy that's like not out straight, like has never said anything about being gay. I was like, what if I came in and kissed you? And he's like, it wouldn't have been a big deal. Like, we would have laughed it off. Like, he's like, I have other gay friends that I joke around with. Like, it wouldn't have been a big deal. And I was like, it wouldn't have been a big deal to you.

• 1:19:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  It wouldn't, and then I start crying. I'm like, I mean, the tequila's flowing, I'm crying. And I was like, it wouldn't have been a big deal to you because it would have meant nothing to you. It would have meant everything to me. And then you're laughing it off as like the gay guy that ended up kissing a straight guy and you think it's funny. And like, it's not, like, it's not a joke to me. Like, that's messed up. Anyways, I'm like, basically like cussing him out at this point, saying like how fucked up it is that like, what this could have led to and like how like, he thinks it's funny, you know?

• 1:20:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 1:20:13Speaker 00

  And then the next day, after coming down.

• 1:20:16Rayna Greenberg?

  What happened?

• 1:20:17Speaker 00

  Oh, we don't hook up or anything. No.

• 1:20:19Rayna Greenberg?

  But was he receptive to that?

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  He was receptive to it.

• 1:20:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:20:23Speaker 00

  He was like, I understand. Like, I'm so sorry. He like apologized. He's like, I understand. I'm so sorry. Like, but I meant it as something fun and cheeky, like how our relationship is, which was flirty.

• 1:20:34Rayna Greenberg?

  But you're flirty with me.

• 1:20:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:36Rayna Greenberg?

  And you know what you did?

• 1:20:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Rayna Greenberg?

  And so.

• 1:20:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  That would make me feel crazy. Yeah.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so I like, I felt crazy. I felt like, I was like, I'm going insane because part of our flirty relationship was like wondering like, if actually something would end up happening. Like, how far could I take it? And to make a long story short, the next day, we ended up like chatting on Facebook Messenger.

• 1:20:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I love this. Such a nostalgic story.

• 1:20:58Speaker 00

  Chatting. It happened a long time ago. And then I basically was like, sorry, my, I felt like my reaction was a lot. I think it's just because I like you more than just a friend, more than just a flirty relationship. I just like, like you, I have a crush on you. And I think that just like triggered me. And then he was like, I'm so sorry about that. Like, you know, I am straight. Like, but like, I love you. I love our relationship. And then we kind of never talked again.

• 1:21:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, okay. So you didn't like stay friends after that?

• 1:21:20Speaker 00

  No. I mean, we kind of like.

• 1:21:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Unfortunately, you had to be like the sacrificial lamb. I, I hope he learned a lesson from that, but like, it does mean something to people when you say things like that.

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm also proud of you. I'm proud of the old you.

• 1:21:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  For like saying something.

• 1:21:35Rayna Greenberg?

  It is hard.

• 1:21:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really embarrassing to be like, I like you.

• 1:21:37Rayna Greenberg?

  But it's, it doesn't even, gay, straight, whatever. It's just like.

• 1:21:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I didn't just say the thing.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Which is totally not like me too. I would never, like, I'm not used to, like I said, I would have crushes on these guys and just flirt with them and just like wonder the whole time. I'd never confront, I'd never just like.

• 1:21:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, cause it's easier than getting the answer.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like rejection is so much harder. And part of it was like also like a strategy for me to like never meet someone that was available. You know, like if I only had crushes on guys that I didn't know their sexuality, presumably straight, like it was like a defense mechanism. Cause like, then I could never get really hurt if I knew.

• 1:22:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh.

• 1:22:09Speaker 00

  There was like actual potential there.

• 1:22:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, this is like why I've been attracted to emotionally available people my whole life.

• 1:22:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:22:13Rayna Greenberg?

  People that don't live in the same city as me or were never gonna want the same stuff.

• 1:22:17Speaker 00

  Right. It happens regardless of your sexuality. Yeah.

• 1:22:20Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, it's the same defense mechanism of like, we can't end up together, so this is safe for me.

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:22:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause I, I know what the end.

• 1:22:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I've read this book before.

• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:22:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you work through that? Like, did you have come to that conclusion on your own or like in terms of pursuing people as a defense mechanism? Or was that like any therapy or were you just like, I'm doing this thing? Cause now you're in a healthy relationship with someone who wanted to be with you.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  I don't think.

• 1:22:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or you just outgrow it.

• 1:22:44Speaker 00

  What a beautiful question. I think I just outgrew it. Also.

• 1:22:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Speaker 00

  I think, I, I went to UC Davis, which is a, a big college, but it's in Northern California. It's a cow town. There's not a big gay scene there. There's not a lot of like gay people there. And the one gay person was my best friend Jazz. You know, like, I'm sure there's more, but the one person that I really knew. Was my best friend Jazz. Once I moved to LA and we went out to West Hollywood and all of these guys started flirting with me. I was like, oh.

• 1:23:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Speaker 00

  There was a little bit of like, not wanting to be in a relationship, but there was also a little bit of like, these are my only options. These straight men that are flirting with me. Once I came to LA and there were so many guys. It kind of went away because I'm like, oh yeah, let's hook up. But I will say there probably still is a little part of me that holds on to that because now I have crushes on all these celebrities that Ernesto would say, I can't have.

• 1:23:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, I'm manifesting.

• 1:23:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Adrienne with Pedro and Ernesto.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  Have I grown? Maybe not.

• 1:23:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys be the judge. This is a great episode on personal growth.

• 1:23:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Tell people where they can find you, your podcast, your social media, everything.

• 1:23:55Speaker 00

  Thank you so much. You can find me at Yulian Ernesto and you can find my podcast, Current Besties, at Current Besties Pod.

• 1:24:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Are you touring?

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  I just wrapped my first comedy tour.

• 1:24:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh my God, congrats.

• 1:24:07Speaker 00

  Yes. Called I Love You Lee.

• 1:24:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's so funny.

• 1:24:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, that's hilarious.

• 1:24:14Speaker 00

  Thanks. I want to change that to my Instagram handle. I love you Lee, but it's taken. But yeah, I just wrapped. And so like now I'm starting to write my next, my second tour.

• 1:24:23Rayna Greenberg?

  That's amazing. I will watch this space.

• 1:24:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Watch this space. Okay. And you guys know where to find us? girlsgottaeat.com, Girlsgottoe Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina dot Greenberg. RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. And you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. Share this episode with a friend, leave a comment, subscribe, all the things. And we will see you Thursday. Have a good week, guys.

• 1:24:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Bye.

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