Maury Povich and Connie Chung Love Each Other to Death

He's always early; she's always late. She holds grudges; he doesn't. But after more than 40 years together, this TV power couple has learned to take the work seriously — and themselves less so. The recovering sportscaster and principled anchor pass through the studio to settle beefs, count Nick Cannon's children and take stock of a news business run by billionaires. Plus: Tony Kornheiser's emotional support animal, feigning incredulity... and a five-pack pre-roll for five bucks. Further content: • Subscribe to "On Par with Maury Povich" https://pod.link/1803175670 • Read "Connie: A Memoir" https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/connie-chung/connie/9781668639528/ • Pablo and Maury on "We Playin' Spades" with Nick Cannon & Courtney Bee https://pod.link/1703838739/episode/Z2lkOi8vYXJ0MTktZXBpc29kZS1sb2NhdG9yL1YwL28tZXp4WTNFaDExXzJRQm5HV0NwZ3lUdTJKY2FWaTAyMEZhby1manZFVnM • Previously on PTFO: The News Anchor America Needed https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyZDM0OTYtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtNGI3MmUwMDc0NjFl • Previously on PTFO: Sex, Lies, and Longevity with TV Legend Maury Povich https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyYTFlNjQtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtYWI5NTMyMzlkOWU0 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Why are you being so nice? You haven't been nice all week. Well, neither have you.

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• 1:59Pablo Torre?

  Is it possible that Connie gets here late, but then leaves later?

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:05Pablo Torre?

  So I do want to clarify for the audience, what's happening here is that we're gonna get one period of just you, Maury Povich, talking [BLEEP] about Connie Chung.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  No problem.

• 2:17Pablo Torre?

  And then at some point, you're gonna get out of here.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Right. Because I have my podcast to do.

• 2:23Pablo Torre?

  I know, because you're-

• 2:23Speaker 01

  On par with Maury Povich.

• 2:25Pablo Torre?

  Because you're a media magnate.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm gonna do the same thing you do when you substitute on PTI, you know? I got the sign right here, "On par with Maury Povich."

• 2:35Pablo Torre?

  Oh, you want you-

• 2:35Speaker 01

  On YouTube, Apple, Spotify, all of your social media platforms.

• 2:40Pablo Torre?

  How dare you, how dare you throw shade at my unrepentant promotion of this show on every possible platform?

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Wow. In fact, I was shocked the other day when, uh, Will Bond wasn't there, and so you're always Tony's-

• 2:59Pablo Torre?

  That's right.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Partner, and then you didn't show up.

• 3:02Pablo Torre?

  I was not there.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  It must have been a very important place you were.

• 3:06Pablo Torre?

  I was traveling somewhere and was very heartbroken to not be Tony Kornheiser's emotional support animal.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:13Pablo Torre?

  That's something I really do value the exclusivity of, the intimacy of that relationship.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  You don't go on with Will Bond, mostly, and-

• 3:20Pablo Torre?

  Will Bond won't have me. Maybe you can put a word in.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  No, he wants the other guy.

• 3:23Pablo Torre?

  He wants Frank Isola, he wants Frankie Ice. He's a different kink.

• 3:29Pablo Torre?

  His thing is a different thing. But this thing, by the way, this thing, you have to help me explain to the audience how long I've been trying to put this summit together.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Starting in the spring, maybe.

• 3:41Pablo Torre?

  Uh, bef- la- last year.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:43Pablo Torre?

  I mean, literally, the first time you came on the show, I was like, what if we get-

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Wait a second, we've never appeared together on your show?

• 3:48Pablo Torre?

  No, no, no, you, me, and your better half.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:52Pablo Torre?

  The three of us have not done this, and you came on the show-

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Connie's been on your show, I've been on your show. The fact that you would want us together, very brave.

• 4:02Pablo Torre?

  Well, I've been warned against it.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  It's not. I mean, she's gonna show up here, and I will be clueless as to what's gonna come out of her mouth. And quite frankly, I mean, I'll tell you.

• 4:16Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Now I'll even tell her when she. We are in the we don't like each other stage right now.

• 4:21Pablo Torre?

  So far, that checks out based on.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Something's going on. I don't know. Maybe it's in the water. But, you know, we've been married for over 40 years. We love each other to death. But quite frankly, there are times we do not like each other. And I think this is one of those times.

• 4:40Pablo Torre?

  This podcast is one of those times.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And when she comes on, you'll understand it. She pays me. Much just grief, a lot of grief.

• 4:51Pablo Torre?

  I feel like that that general observation is most substantiated by the fact that this chair is empty right now.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, I'm looking at the empty chair and quite frankly, it looks good.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  I'll tell her when she comes in that we've been discussing how we don't like each other these days.

• 5:23Pablo Torre?

  And I'm gonna immediately turn on you and take her side just so you're aware of the dynamic that's gonna happen here.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 5:29Pablo Torre?

  I'm gonna abandon you immediately.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  There's a time in in the life of a couple where you just don't know. How to handle it, you know, you're kind of walking on eggshells.

• 5:41Pablo Torre?

  I can go sign this personally.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Right. You know that?

• 5:43Pablo Torre?

  You know, but what I relate to and part of, again, my genuine love for your love, such as it is, is that you guys are both incredibly individually accomplished, busy people with trajectories.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:58Pablo Torre?

  That I know based on both the book that Connie read, which you talked about the last time she was here, and also from my friendship with you, such as the time we beat Nick Cannon in spades together recently.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Boy, was that an overwhelming victory.

• 6:11Pablo Torre?

  I mean, not close.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  I mean, I haven't played spades in 50 years, maybe 60.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  We gotta pull pull these out. Mm hmm. Y'all beat the draws off us.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. Look at that.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Y'all beat the draws.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Congratulations, Pablo.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  They gotta sign the draw.

• 6:28Pablo Torre?

  I would say that the two of us together made history.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yes, we did.

• 6:31Pablo Torre?

  We made podcast history.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he was a gracious loser.

• 6:35Pablo Torre?

  A gracious loser, and I would beat him again. I would happily go back and defend our title.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  You know, I knew about Nick a little bit. He's some entrepreneur.

• 6:46Pablo Torre?

  You're talking about him just in terms of like his sperm? Or you're talking about in terms of his actual business?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  That too, but I mean, all of his business ventures.

• 6:54Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  He's huge.

• 6:56Pablo Torre?

  Well, look, the guy is in all fields prolific.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Especially when he's counting up his five-year-olds and three-year-olds.

• 7:06Pablo Torre?

  I keep on forgetting how many kids Nick Cannon has. I'm looking it up now.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  It's 12, I think.

• 7:12Pablo Torre?

  It's 12. And he had some number in the same year, which we talked about. And thankfully, he allowed us to remain, even though you dug in with your dogged reporting.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  I had to. I mean, you know, COVID.

• 7:26Pablo Torre?

  COVID was a hell of a time.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  COVID produced a lot of dogs for people.

• 7:30Pablo Torre?

  A lot of dogs, a lot of podcasts, and in Nick Cannon's case, multiple lovely, beautiful children, whose names he absolutely can tell you on demand.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Which is good.

• 7:40Pablo Torre?

  Which is impressive, and I don't know if I could do the same.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  So let me turn it back on you.

• 7:44Pablo Torre?

  Why? Why are we doing that?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, I know all about your investigations into the basketball stuff and gambling and stuff.

• 7:52Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Did you expect it to bleed into baseball?

• 7:56Pablo Torre?

  I am unsurprised because, I mean, Maury, when you can pitch a whatever, a mile per hour slower than what the line is, the legal gambling operator's set line is, and you can make people money, the incentive is so appealing. If you're the least bit unconcerned with the integrity of the sport, you can easily convince yourself, I can get away with this.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Right. Once all these exotic bets came, you knew that it was, there was going to be trouble.

• 8:30Pablo Torre?

  Can you imagine if people could bet on whether or not someone would be the father?

• 8:34Speaker 05

  Like I said, I'm not 100, I'm not 200, I'm 5,000%. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  When it comes to four-month-old Dany, Andrew, you are not the father.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Guess what? Shaquille O'Neal and his buddies watched my show all the time, bet lots of money with each other

• 9:00Pablo Torre?

  His tracks.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  to find out whether they were the father or not. He was a great lover of the show and he and his buddies would all watch and bet.

• 9:10Pablo Torre?

  Maury, you could have been leaking inside information to one of Shaq's entourage members and just totally cleaned him out.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  You know, it's very interesting about the show. I've talked to many, many professional athletes, even football players.

• 9:26Pablo Torre?

  Oh, hold on, your wife's calling you.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Oh, boy. Okay, I'm starting the show without you.

• 9:35Speaker 06

  Three minutes away.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  You're three minutes away.

• 9:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, can you tell, ask them to send somebody to the lobby?

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Send somebody to the lobby? Okay, we'll do that.

• 9:46Speaker 06

  So that I can just sail in.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Right. Guess what? I'm on with Pablo right now.

• 9:52Pablo Torre?

  Hi.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  You're part of this.

• 9:53Pablo Torre?

  Hello.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  So he's gonna talk to me, then we're gonna talk together, then you're gonna stay and talk to him alone and I can leave.

• 10:01Speaker 06

  Can I stay with Pablo for the rest of the day?

• 10:06Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  I've already been talking, honey. I want to prepare you for this because I've told Pablo I've been very honest and transparent. We love each other to death, but quite frankly, these days, we don't like each other.

• 10:20Speaker 06

  That's absolutely true, Pablo. I had a few meltdowns with Maury this past weekend. Because, because, because.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:34Pablo Torre?

  Hard to blame you so far.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  We can explain to everybody how these are periods of our life that we just try to get over.

• 10:41Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:42Pablo Torre?

  Well, that's a hell of a tease.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  I'll see ya. Somebody will be down to meet you.

• 10:45Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  I'm glad that she was okay with me telling you that we're not liking each other these days.

• 10:51Pablo Torre?

  Now I gotta figure out what all these becausees.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  No, you're not going there. You better not. Oh, boy. No, it's just internal matters.

• 11:01Pablo Torre?

  You sound like an athlete who's like, we had a players-only meeting.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, so talking about that.

• 11:06Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  I even had to verify this with various people. The show would come on in the morning all around the country. NFL players would be in the locker room getting ready for practice. The coaches are upstairs. They want to, they want to get them out on the field and they won't come out till they find out who the father is. I sat at the Super Bowl last year and behind me was Warren Sapp. I said, "This is what I've been told." And Warren said, "Absolutely, we wouldn't go out there until we found out who the father was."

• 11:39Pablo Torre?

  So you're responsible, you yourself, your show is, it's been responsible for the underperformance of various athletes throughout time. You are a one man handling scandal.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, right. Oh boy.

• 11:52Speaker 06

  Hi honey.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Nice to see you.

• 11:54Speaker 06

  How are you?

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Good to see you.

• 11:56Speaker 06

  Hi Pablo.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:58Pablo Torre?

  Hello.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  This is, I'm excited, I got a kiss. How are you?

• 12:03Pablo Torre?

  Thank you for being here.

• 12:04Speaker 06

  It's cold outside.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  I know honey, I don't need it right now.

• 12:07Speaker 06

  I know, I know.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Okay, why are you being so nice? You haven't been nice all week.

• 12:13Speaker 06

  Well, neither have you.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  Hi Pablo.

• 12:19Pablo Torre?

  I'm here to take your side in all arguments. I'm here to totally betray the friendship that I have with your husband.

• 12:27Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 12:28Pablo Torre?

  It's not close. Who's right in this argument?

• 12:31Speaker 06

  Thank you, thank you. We met before.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  We did.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Yeah. Nice to meet you. Do it again. Can I stand up?

• 12:40Pablo Torre?

  Of course.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  Why honey, my back.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Oh, is it bad?

• 12:45Speaker 06

  Oh well, it's always bad.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Okay. Is that, did you?

• 12:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's okay.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Did the, uh?

• 12:51Speaker 06

  Is it okay Pablo?

• 12:52Pablo Torre?

  You did it last time. You're more than welcome.

• 12:54Speaker 06

  It's a, it's a little better.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Good.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  Hi honey. How are you?

• 12:58Speaker 01

  How are you?

• 12:59Speaker 06

  Can I, can I stand with Maury?

• 13:03Pablo Torre?

  Can, can Connie Chung stand next to Maury Povich?

• 13:06Speaker 06

  Oh. Unfortunately, no. No. We'll need you on this mark here. Oh, sorry. That's okay.

• 13:13Pablo Torre?

  For, for, for...

• 13:14Speaker 01

  There's always a mark Connie, come on.

• 13:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:18Pablo Torre?

  Let us explain to you how television works, the two of you.

• 13:22Pablo Torre?

  It's a medium in which people need to cover edits when one of you curses terrifically. No, we'll leave it all in. We're gonna leave it all in.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Is the not like period over?

• 13:33Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Not on this end.

• 13:36Speaker 06

  Oh, geez. Aw, thank you.

• 13:42Pablo Torre?

  You walked into a trap, Connie.

• 13:44Speaker 06

  I did.

• 13:45Pablo Torre?

  This entire scenario has been a...

• 13:47Speaker 06

  I'll hold it up.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  You've been holding me up for years.

• 13:53Speaker 06

  Hi, Pablo.

• 13:53Pablo Torre?

  You look great. I love that every time you're like, can I do this thing? And what that thing involves is you showing that you have endurance that far outpaces the other people in this room.

• 14:03Speaker 06

  No, it's not a test of endurance. It's that I have a bad back. And when I sit down forever, then I can't get up and walk. It's, you know...

• 14:14Pablo Torre?

  It's a degree of athleticism that is not typically shown in this studio, is my point.

• 14:18Speaker 06

  Hi, Pablo.

• 14:19Pablo Torre?

  Hello.

• 14:21Pablo Torre?

  I've been waiting for this.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Why do you like him so much?

• 14:23Speaker 06

  You know what? He is really smart. He's cool. He's got a sense of humor.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Why are you looking at me?

• 14:31Speaker 06

  No, he's very much like you.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. Wow.

• 14:36Pablo Torre?

  Thank you both.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Wow. I'm impressed.

• 14:40Speaker 06

  I was impressed with Pablo the first time I saw him on ESPN.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Now, you were impressed when you looked him up and found out he went to Harvard and all that stuff.

• 14:48Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not true. As soon as I saw him on ESPN, on probably Wilbon and...

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Kornheiser.

• 15:00Speaker 06

  Pardon the interruption. It was on Pardon the Interruption, I'm pretty sure. And he was, he was really good.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 06

  And I said, "Mori, who's he?"

• 15:12Speaker 01

  And I said, "He's Pablo."

• 15:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:16Pablo Torre?

  And he said coldly, "He's Pablo."

• 15:22Speaker 06

  And then I said, I see a little bit of ethnicity there.

• 15:26Pablo Torre?

  I did a genetic test.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 15:29Speaker 06

  You did?

• 15:29Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  And what happened? What'd you find out?

• 15:31Pablo Torre?

  I'm like 11% Chinese.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Now, she's ready to move in.

• 15:36Speaker 06

  11% better. It's even better.

• 15:40Pablo Torre?

  So there's some little, there's a, there's like trace amounts of Spanish and stuff in there.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  But the Philippines suffered the way China suffered at the hands of the Japanese, so, you know.

• 15:49Pablo Torre?

  Accurate. Very, very true. I didn't bring you guys here to talk about geopolitical history, though.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  But did you know that Maury is such a history buff and political expert? Seriously.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Stop it.

• 16:02Speaker 06

  He's very, very into all things political and historical.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  Now, I'm reading this book by Andrew Ross Sorkin called 1929.

• 16:12Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  And I'm reading it because, is it gonna happen again? And, you know, is this bubble, whatever, whatever, everybody, everybody, you know, Bernard Baruch used to say, when the elevator operator is telling you what stock to buy, watch out.

• 16:30Pablo Torre?

  We hired a witch to curse artificial intelligence for our Halloween episode.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 16:35Speaker 06

  What a great idea.

• 16:36Pablo Torre?

  And I think it's happening. I'm here to report that I think the curse worked.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:42Pablo Torre?

  Which is to say, if we, if the economy collapses.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Because of AI.

• 16:46Pablo Torre?

  It might be because of us, I guess, in retrospect. Maybe that wasn't what we wanted to curse. Yeah, our 401Ks, apologies, um, to America.

• 16:55Speaker 06

  Pablo, how are you?

• 16:57Pablo Torre?

  I'm pretty good.

• 16:58Speaker 06

  Yeah?

• 16:58Pablo Torre?

  I'm a little, you know, people ask me, how are you doing? And sort of the subtext of it is, has anyone tried to assassinate you recently?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Right, I was, I was gonna say, I mean, it must be a lot of blowback, right?

• 17:09Pablo Torre?

  A lot of people with lots of money wish that I would stop.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Is there any owner that still takes your calls?

• 17:15Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 17:16Speaker 06

  Really?

• 17:17Pablo Torre?

  Yeah. I mean, you guys know how this works, though? Yes. Because I, I think there is, I don't know. I'm on my training wheels version of this. You guys did this for decades. But once people know that you do this kind of thing, the incoming of like, hey, you should know this other sort of thing.

• 17:34Speaker 06

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 17:35Pablo Torre?

  So as much as I am, I don't know, this strange, I don't like being known as like the Grim Reaper of sports journalism, I guess. If I'm Collins, bad things are happening to you.

• 17:44Speaker 06

  It's incredibly admirable.

• 17:46Pablo Torre?

  But I do enjoy that behind the scenes, yeah, there are people who are very supportive and are here to, I don't know, share information that I get to vet and decide, is this also something worth doing? So.

• 18:00Speaker 06

  I can't believe how many incidents there are right now. I mean, there's just a plethora of them. And you remember why Maury decided that he just couldn't continue in sports?

• 18:16Speaker 01

  I started out in TV as the 10 o'clock news sportscaster in Washington on Channel 5, where my hometown. And I was cover, I used to cover the then Washington Redskins. And George Allen was the coach. He was kind of a, he was kind of a Belichick before Belichick, kind of a guy. You know, never liked reporters and everything.

• 18:40Pablo Torre?

  Got to yoga very late in life.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Right. So, uh, one day I'm in the locker room and I see, and this is the seventies, okay? And so in the seventies, there are a lot of stories about drugs that players were using these illicit drugs in order to pump up and other stuff, cocaine outside the, the game and all that. And so there's this bottle of pills and it could have been salt pills. I mean, I didn't know. I mean, who knows? So I say, Coach, uh, can you tell me what's in that bottle? And he says, Mari, this is 1973, he says, Mari, are you with us or against us? And I said to myself, I gotta get out of sports. I just, I just gotta, how did my father do it for 75 years? I gotta get out of sports.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  If you have to have a loyalty test, I'm in big trouble. And that's when I went to news.

• 19:33Pablo Torre?

  I dare say that a lot of people have decided to be with them.

• 19:38Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  I asked Jeff Pearlman, okay, who I had on my show, another great sports writer and stuff.

• 19:45Pablo Torre?

  Sports Illustrated author.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  And writes great books. So I said to Jeff, I said, does this still happen? He said, absolutely.

• 19:53Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah, I would say more than ever. And by the way, you see that, of course, in.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  In news, actually.

• 20:01Pablo Torre?

  By the way, what's it like to watch CBS right now?

• 20:05Speaker 06

  We don't, I mean, I can't. The paradigm has completely changed in news. And we have so much opinion that the truth doesn't hold value anymore. And what we end up doing is trying to, we as consumers, trying to find the truth. We can't find good old fashioned facts. And it distresses me so terribly. CBS is a whole different organization that I had worked for. CBS has now been taken over thanks to greedy owners,

• 20:46Speaker 06

  Sherry Redstone, partnering with David Ellison, Larry Ellison's son. And their greed has caused the venerable CBS to actually.

• 21:03Speaker 06

  Disassemble, to crash into crumbles. And then they've hired this, I don't know what to call Barry Weiss.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  I don't either.

• 21:15Speaker 06

  You know, I just don't know.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but she's, you know, we'll see.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  It's not a big we'll see, as if she could possibly restore.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  She was there the other day when Trump goes on 60 Minutes. I thought it was a decent interview. It was OK.

• 21:32Pablo Torre?

  Talk about Nora O'Donnell's interview.

• 21:34Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 21:35Pablo Torre?

  Well, part of my concern, by the way, and I find it very, if I were you, I'd find it very difficult to watch the administration of CBS News wear the costume of CBS News, getting to cosplay to pretend that nothing is different, even though the very premise of their acquisition of the network was, in fact, at the discretion and blessing of the president, who was the interview subject in that video that we're describing.

• 22:05Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 22:06Pablo Torre?

  And so just the very basic premise of that feels very hard to stomach if you care about anything resembling adversarial.

• 22:13Speaker 06

  If you care about serious news. When I worked at CBS, it was owned by William Paley, and he actually made it a point of allowing the news division to be autonomous and not have to worry about the bottom line. He had a president by the name of Frank Stanton, who went before Congress time and time again to defend the fourth estate. Now we have a complete dismantling of that kind of social responsibility, that we are watchdogs. We reporters are watchdogs of government. It's our job to report information that is not.

• 23:02Speaker 06

  Fed to us. So when the Pentagon reporters walked out en masse because they were forced to actually sign these promises that they would not.

• 23:15Pablo Torre?

  A loyalty test almost literally written down.

• 23:17Speaker 06

  Yeah. It was just, I mean, it was repulsive. And I'm so glad that they walked out. I think it's so important what those Pentagon reporters did.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  You have to say the same thing about White House reporters. They're trying to do their job.

• 23:32Speaker 06

  They're trying to do their job. And they're being muzzled.

• 23:35Pablo Torre?

  I am reminded of, of course, Connie's interview of the aforementioned President of the United States back when he was merely one of the most prominent businessmen and celebrities.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:45Pablo Torre?

  This was April 1990 on Face to Face with Connie Chung. And when you were here the last time, we played some of it back. But the aftermath, I don't think I ever asked you about. Because what happens on CBS is that there's a re-air of the interview. This very adversarial interview with Connie is truly holding him to account and calling him out on his bullshit and actually talking about the bullshit and how you are calling him out on it as it's happening, about how much he didn't like publicity and talking about Woolman Rink, the skating rink in Central Park and his buildings. He has this posture about it.

• 24:23Speaker 05

  There's no reason to expose yourself to millions of people.

• 24:25Speaker 06

  But you know why you do it?

• 24:27Speaker 05

  Why?

• 24:27Speaker 06

  You love the publicity.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Oh, I hate the publicity.

• 24:30Speaker 06

  Oh, come on, get out of here.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  I'm telling you, I hate the publicity.

• 24:32Speaker 06

  Oh, please.

• 24:33Speaker 05

  I hate it. And except for the fact that it's fun as a sparring session. I mean, this would normally not even be fun. This is, this is fun and this is fun.

• 24:40Speaker 06

  No, but come on. No, you're on all these covers of Playboy fame. I mean, it was a news week for time.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  It happens to be, it happens to be, or both. It happens to be good for what I do.

• 24:55Pablo Torre?

  But then in August, CBS re-airs it and Donald Trump rips you. Yes. And I'll read just the quote that Donald Trump gave to the Joan Rivers Show a month after the rebroadcast, because the quote was, "This woman has less talent than anybody I know of." Called you a disaster, said you interviewed like a little child. And then he said this. "She sent me roses afterward, and I won't tell you what I did with the roses." And then Joan Rivers says, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, what are you saying? What'd you do? He then proceeds to reveal, quote, "I cut him up and sent him back. I sent her back the stems. Actually, I did."

• 25:38Pablo Torre?

  End quote.

• 25:40Speaker 06

  Now, wasn't that an incredibly ballsy move?

• 25:45Pablo Torre?

  With the roses sent?

• 25:46Speaker 06

  I, I, well, yes, you know why? I sent him flowers because the day after I, I interviewed him on a particular day, we weren't going to air it until we edited it. So on the day I interviewed him, I said, I, I had asked him who his friends were? And does he have a best friend? And he hemmed and hawed and he said,

• 26:13Speaker 05

  Well, I have so many different friends and it would be hard to say a best friend. Is your wife Ivana a best friend? She's, she's a, she's a great friend. She's a-

• 26:21Speaker 06

  The very next day, it was announced that they were getting divorced. And he was already having a very public affair with Marla Maples. So I sent him flowers and I said, "Don't you think you need to correct the record?" And the only way I could get his attention was to send him flowers. If I just sent him a note, would he actually get it and read it? That's what the origin of the flowers was.

• 26:51Pablo Torre?

  Did he send them back to you cut up?

• 26:54Speaker 06

  See, I, I don't remember that at all.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  But, but what he said about her, the way he criticized her, is the same way he criticizes reporters today.

• 27:04Pablo Torre?

  Today?

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Asking the same kinds of questions, hard questions. He says, "You're, you're the worst reporter ever. Your network is worse. You're a third-rate reporter." And that's what he does.

• 27:16Speaker 06

  Well, that's what he said to Megyn Kelly.

• 27:18Pablo Torre?

  Her response, it turned out, over time, was very different from your response over time.

• 27:22Speaker 06

  What was her response?

• 27:23Pablo Torre?

  Her response was, at the time, I believe, was to take that as an affront. And then over time was to truly join the team.

• 27:34Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:35Pablo Torre?

  I mean, she

• 27:35Speaker 06

  Without question.

• 27:36Pablo Torre?

  The George Allen test.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:38Pablo Torre?

  She decided, I'm gonna be on that side of things.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Are you with us or against us? I'll just be with you.

• 27:43Pablo Torre?

  That's the way it seems to me as a matter of who does what when they get challenged.

• 27:47Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Can I wrap up my section in about three minutes? And then you can have her to yourself.

• 27:53Pablo Torre?

  Well, let's, well, let's, let's, hold on. Let's, let's just settle a couple of outstanding beefs here.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:00Pablo Torre?

  Because when you say that Connie doesn't like you right now.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:06Pablo Torre?

  What did you do?

• 28:08Speaker 01

  What did I do?

• 28:09Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, what did you do?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I don't even wanna ask because I'm clueless.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  No, you're not.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm walking.

• 28:19Speaker 06

  You know, I made it very clear.

• 28:23Pablo Torre?

  What camera can I look into just to?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  I, I'm not talking about this.

• 28:27Speaker 06

  No, he's incredulous. Oh, he's, he's feigning incredulity.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus, that was a tough word.

• 28:35Speaker 06

  Wasn't it?

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 28:36Speaker 06

  I almost didn't get it out.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that's a very tough one.

• 28:40Pablo Torre?

  You nailed the landing.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Especially one.

• 28:41Pablo Torre?

  Maury, stop it. Maury?

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:44Pablo Torre?

  What did you do?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not gonna talk about it. I didn't do anything. There was not one thing. It's just my attitude. It's my general attitude.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  I mean, come on. I mean, I, I'm allowed to have an attitude.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Not according to you.

• 29:01Speaker 06

  No, no, no. Me too, me too.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  Well, I know you have an attitude. That's why I'm not too sure I like you these days.

• 29:10Pablo Torre?

  I will say visually speaking, it does sort of replicate Connie standing and you sitting like you are a student at school being.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Look, I, I, for forty, almost forty-one years, I've been Mr. Chung, okay? I, I admit it. I, I, I.

• 29:26Pablo Torre?

  You're an honorary member of the Asian community.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  I don't mind it. I don't, I don't fight back. I'm, I'm fine being Mr. Chung. You always had the big name when we got married. I was just this nothing, you know, little local anchor in Washington and you were the big star. Okay, fine. I accepted it and I was Mr., I've been Mr. Chung ever since and I accept it.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  No, no, no. Well, I've been Mrs. Povich for a long time too. Huh?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Povich is not part of your name. You have been Connie Chung. There is no Connie Chung Povich. It's been Connie Chung. You've kept your entire name. Fine, I don't care. That's fine.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  I just didn't, I didn't feel I looked like your mother.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  So anyway, I'm going, this is gonna be the best part of my day. It's been fine until she came in. But the best part of my day, I'm going to interview a great actor.

• 30:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  William H. Macy.

• 30:25Pablo Torre?

  Are you promoting your podcast on my podcast?

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:28Pablo Torre?

  You're evading, not only are you evading my investigative reporting. You are promoting.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  I wish I had the sign so I could do the same thing you do on PTI. But I don't. Uh, anyway.

• 30:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Nice to be with you all.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  Oh, Maury. Do you have to go?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Do I have to go? Should have gone about a minute and a half ago.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Is that it? I'll see you tonight at the salon. We're gonna watch the head of CNN. And then later on, I'll cuddle.

• 30:59Speaker 06

  You, you will cuddle?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's cuddle. Yeah.

• 31:03Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Okay. Just remember, I also told Pablo, you still hold grudges.

• 31:07Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, I get the sense. I get the sense.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  I'm sorry. You know.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  It's been a delight.

• 31:16Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 31:19Speaker 06

  Bye.

• 31:21Pablo Torre?

  Shaking hands, yep.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Nice to meet you.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  See y'all later.

• 31:37Pablo Torre?

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• 32:47Pablo Torre?

  Let's do something from the world of sports. I need you to give me the three worst things about being married to Maury Povich.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  The three worst things about him?

• 32:58Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, we're going to power rank the three worst things about being married to Maury Povich that only Connie Chung would know.

• 33:05Speaker 06

  Okay. He cannot multitask. He can do one thing at a time. Number two, he compartmentalizes, which I envy. Men have the capacity to compartmentalize. Women worry about everything all the time. They worry about work at home, and at home, they worry about work. So I admire the fact that he can compartmentalize, but I am so envious, it makes me crazy. I think the third thing is that he can do most sports that I can't,

• 33:47Speaker 06

  just by virtue of the fact that he's tall and strong. If I were to play golf with him, I would want to try to beat him, and I know I can't. Basketball is a little bit better, but he's taller. And if he's guarding me, I have very little chance.

• 34:06Pablo Torre?

  What are Maury Povich's priorities in the year 2025?

• 34:09Speaker 06

  Okay. It's number one, golf. Number two, golf. Number three, golf. And that's it.

• 34:20Pablo Torre?

  When I wanted to schedule this interview with the summit, I mostly realized that I just needed to work around his golf schedule.

• 34:27Speaker 06

  Yes, it's true. But, you know what? I admire him so much because he decided that when he stopped determining the paternity of every child in America, that he would play golf. And he did that. But he, he believed very strongly in use it or lose it. So he didn't think he was exercising his brain as well as he was exercising his body. And I think that's great because he can keep sharp by doing his podcasts and he loves to do interviews and he's really good at it.

• 35:03Pablo Torre?

  Oh, of course. I mean, what's not in question is that Maury can still outwork anybody who's like 40 years younger than him. That is not in question to me.

• 35:13Speaker 06

  Exactly. And the other thing, if I may, um, I, without him, I would not have had a career.

• 35:23Pablo Torre?

  Why, hold on, I don't understand that part. What do you mean?

• 35:26Speaker 06

  Every step of the way, when I was beaten up by, I don't know, people who thought they had more power than I did, and they did actually have more power, or that they had bigger egos and didn't want me to, to be on their level. I, I would come home and Maury looked at this, what I call a resting bitch face. Maury would pour me a stiff scotch and we'd sit and we'd talk. And he would talk me off the ledge. Basically, his message was, don't take your critics seriously. Don't take your naysayers seriously.

• 36:12Speaker 06

  Don't take your press seriously, because I was getting a little scared in the press, a lot scared. He would say, don't take yourself seriously.

• 36:22Speaker 06

  But take your work seriously. And that's what I did. And I can tell you really that if it had not been for Maury, he was like a partner who helped me every step of the way.

• 36:37Pablo Torre?

  Part of what I want our audience to appreciate about you is that, as if it needs to be reset on this show, but you were the first woman to co-anchor the CBS Evening News. You're the first Asian person, the second woman ever, to anchor a major network newscast. And the competition in the business, the idea that you are very, I mean, you present, of course, is very pleasant to be around, but lots of people regarded you as a threat.

• 37:06Speaker 06

  Yeah. My competitors were mostly men. They didn't look at me as a colleague. And I am a minority, and I am a woman. And because of that, I think that they were expecting acquiescence. And I don't know where I got this feeling that I didn't have to kowtow to them. And I acted as if I was their equal. But a friend of mine said to me, the first one through the door faces the heaviest gunfire. So I think that Barbara Walters, who paved the way for all of us to experience extraordinary gunfire.

• 37:50Speaker 06

  And when I came along, because I was not white, I faced a different kind of gunfire. Because people were expecting, my colleagues were expecting me to stand down. And I just couldn't bring myself to stand down.

• 38:10Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, but by the way, like what you said about what Maury's advice was, which is, take your work seriously, but take yourself less so.

• 38:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 38:19Pablo Torre?

  Is a creed that I also, part of the reason I think you're, you know, not just a legend in my book, but like a kindred spirit. It is because of that specific.

• 38:29Pablo Torre?

  Mentality. Like, you can do real work, but also laugh at yourself and each other.

• 38:34Speaker 06

  Oh, good God, yes. I mean, we, you know how, uh, somewhere, people would call those of us who are on the air, talent.

• 38:45Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 38:46Speaker 06

  That is ridiculous. And I don't know where they got this, because we don't have talent. We just, we have a brain. We want to report news equally, fairly. We tell one side, we tell the other side. And what we're doing is presenting it to the public and asking them to make their judgment on what they believe is true, or right, or whatever. But we, we gather as much truth as we can, and we impart it to them. What I wanted to do is, you know, the kind of investigative reporting that you're doing in sports. It's so admirable.

• 39:26Speaker 06

  Investigative reporting is so satisfying, so gratifying, because you've uncovered something that nobody else has uncovered, and you're revealing information that people wanted to conceal. And that's what we're supposed to do, particularly with government, when it comes to politics and news.

• 39:46Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  Because every single administration, not just this one, has covered up secret information that

• 39:54Pablo Torre?

  Of course.

• 39:54Speaker 06

  they want to hold near and dear to their hearts. We in the public know full well that they are lying.

• 40:01Pablo Torre?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:01Speaker 06

  And we need to call it when they do lie.

• 40:05Pablo Torre?

  Right.

• 40:05Speaker 06

  I'm so worried about our news business these days, because we're, we've just not, we're not standing up to the standards that we were taught.

• 40:17Pablo Torre?

  At some point, I wonder if you can identify when you started feeling this, because I've been sort of swimming in it for years now. I don't know exactly when it changed.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 40:27Pablo Torre?

  But there was something to the old George Allen story that Maury was telling, where being

• 40:34Pablo Torre?

  In conflict with someone in power, gave way to wanting to get along with them.

• 40:41Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 40:42Pablo Torre?

  And I just, I don't know, I grew up thinking that like journalists are supposed to do the thing that makes the powerful person, at the very least, a little uncomfortable.

• 40:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, oh, yes.

• 40:53Pablo Torre?

  And you embodied that. Your interviews, I mean, our clinics. But like, listen, I've been investigating Steve Ballmer.

• 41:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:00Pablo Torre?

  Of course, one of the 10 richest people in the world at last check, the richest owner in all of sports. But I go back and I rewatched your interview of Bill Gates.

• 41:09Speaker 06

  Ah.

• 41:09Pablo Torre?

  His fellow-

• 41:10Speaker 06

  Oh, he walked off.

• 41:12Pablo Torre?

  So remind me, remind us what it was like to get the founder of Microsoft, who was, of course, Steve Ballmer's classmate and also his close friend, and the guy that Ballmer ultimately succeeded as the CEO of Microsoft. What was it like to interview him?

• 41:28Speaker 06

  We were so impressed with him. But it was at a time when Microsoft was gobbling up small companies and should have been just like Rockefeller and, you know, the oil companies. They should have been called on it.

• 41:45Speaker 07

  A lot of people make the analogy that competing with Bill Gates is like playing hardball. I'd say it's more like a knife fight.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  I've never heard any of these things. You know, you're saying like, knife fight? That's silliness. It's childish. I mean, why be a mouthpiece for that kind of silliness? Why doesn't he just say them? Anyway, because it has nothing to do with the patent lawsuit. It has to do-

• 42:11Speaker 06

  So I was peppering him with questions about these power-hungry moves that he was making against small companies. And he actually walked out. He walked out of the interview. People did not remember that because one more wonderful thing that he did was he was able to jump over a chair from a standing position. And it was so remarkable. And it was remembered. It was chiseled in YouTube history. He does have at least one secret, but we'll fix that. Is it true that you can leap over a chair from a standing position?

• 42:47Speaker 04

  It depends on the size of the chair, but this chair, probably so.

• 42:52Speaker 06

  Will you do it?

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know with the microphone on, if it's doable.

• 42:56Speaker 06

  Watch the light, okay?

• 42:57Speaker 04

  I'll cheat a little bit.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  I took a step before I did it.

• 43:05Speaker 06

  It's okay.

• 43:06Pablo Torre?

  Yes, so what's so funny about that is I think of Gates now as like the forerunner, obviously to someone that, by the way, I went to college with, Mark Zuckerberg.

• 43:14Speaker 06

  Oh, yes.

• 43:15Pablo Torre?

  Who became the new avatar in the social network and with Facebook and all that.

• 43:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 43:18Pablo Torre?

  And Mark Zuckerberg now is like, he's pivoted to like mixed martial arts and he's like working out and he's surfing and he's trying to reassert, I would say, his masculinity. And then I go back and watch your interview with Gates and I'm like, Bill Gates was doing the same [bleep] thing, basically saying, "Look at how high I can jump."

• 43:36Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. And shame on all of these people who have billions of dollars and they are kowtowing with no integrity, no principles to the Trump administration. I'm embarrassed for them, but you had asked a question. You were trying to reach back.

• 43:59Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  And try and figure out when the pendulum swung so wildly off course.

• 44:04Pablo Torre?

  Because you were a standard and a template. Walter Cronkite was. The other men that you were competing with, by the way, at the very least, the premise was they were of a certain perspective of how to hold powerful people accountable.

• 44:19Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 44:19Pablo Torre?

  And then at some point, flash forward to today, the smash cut, something happened in between, and I don't know what.

• 44:26Speaker 06

  This is my take on what happened. When William Paley sold CBS to Larry Tisch and when Capital Cities and then ultimately Disney took over ABC and then when General Electric took over NBC. Prior to that, there was some social responsibility, but when GE and Disney and Larry Tisch took over, the bottom line became so important that we had, we in news divisions had to grovel for ratings so that the networks would be able to charge more from advertisers. So the money we made was more important than the news we covered.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  That's what happened. And now it has reached a point of which of no return.

• 45:18Pablo Torre?

  Part of what I think has happened, as we think back at your interview with Bill Gates, is that at some point, every media company gave way to ultimately a very, not just corporate ethos when it came to like the stock chart and what matters and what comes at the expense of it, but also the perspective and the mentality of tech companies.

• 45:40Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 45:40Pablo Torre?

  Like, tech companies are owning everything. All of us fundamentally who work in media work for tech companies now.

• 45:46Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 45:47Pablo Torre?

  That's the ethos, that's the strategy, that's the competition we're trying to beat.

• 45:51Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:51Pablo Torre?

  And it is like, the thing that I think about all the time is, at some point, don't you want to be the good guy in the documentary?

• 46:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  That's a great way to put it.

• 46:03Pablo Torre?

  I'm looking back at the stuff that you've done and the stuff that Maury's done, and I'm like, man, like, I would like to look back at an interview that I've conducted and be proud.

• 46:15Speaker 06

  I'm sure you have them.

• 46:16Pablo Torre?

  All I want to point out, though, is simply that part of what I am so tickled by when it comes to your relationship with Maury as this empty chair now signifies the nuances of this relationship, is how you guys have truly like lasted and passed the test of time. There is something about how you have, by the way, when I was asking like, what are you guys doing in Montana? Part of the answer is not just Maury's playing golf and you guys are fly fishing. You started a local newspaper.

• 46:51Speaker 06

  Oh, yes. I'm so proud of Maury. He, he created a newspaper more than a decade ago, probably 15 years, almost 20.

• 47:03Speaker 06

  It was kind of a tribute to his father, who was a Washington Post columnist and reporter for 75 years, a great writer.

• 47:14Pablo Torre?

  Shirley Povich, a legend in sports writing.

• 47:16Speaker 06

  He really was a legend. Along the lines of Red Smith.

• 47:20Pablo Torre?

  The all-time greats, truly.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  Yes, he's in the Hall of Fame. And he was a lovely man. He was an extremely erudite, soft-spoken man with a great sense of humor. Maury is just like him, except he's not soft-spoken.

• 47:39Speaker 06

  It's a really good newspaper.

• 47:41Pablo Torre?

  Yes, The Flathead Beacon is a weekly paper serving northwest Montana.

• 47:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:46Pablo Torre?

  And it was started, as you put it, in 2007, 18 years ago now.

• 47:50Speaker 06

  What he did was he hired great journalists.

• 47:53Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 47:53Speaker 06

  Who report the news straight. Even they've gotten every single award that you can imagine, from best investigative to best political reporting. I mean, all the good stuff.

• 48:05Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, it's been named the state's best large weekly, you know.

• 48:08Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 48:08Pablo Torre?

  You know, more than 10 times, it seems like at this point.

• 48:11Speaker 06

  And I think the conclusion that we've come to is that what you can trust are your local news.

• 48:18Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 48:19Speaker 06

  The newspapers are having such a hard time surviving. But any local newspaper or online newspaper is still trustworthy. Local news and television is still trustworthy.

• 48:32Pablo Torre?

  And they're not stock prices.

• 48:34Speaker 06

  No.

• 48:35Pablo Torre?

  Owned by these massive multinational corporations.

• 48:37Speaker 06

  They do answer to their consumers. And people know them. They're their neighbors, their community leaders. They know everybody and they trust them.

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• 49:37Speaker 06

  I'm so impressed, if I may, with your podcasts and those who produce it. Because it's so clever and so smart. And the whole animated portion-

• 49:50Pablo Torre?

  Oh, when we do, when we jump in with the voiceover. Yeah, the RPG menu is what we call it.

• 49:54Speaker 06

  That's, nobody else does that, right?

• 49:56Pablo Torre?

  No, no one's weird or stoned enough to come up with that device.

• 50:02Speaker 06

  Well, are they smoking Connie Chung weed?

• 50:04Pablo Torre?

  Oh, that's right. We are still on the hunt for a fresh crop.

• 50:08Speaker 06

  You can get it online.

• 50:10Pablo Torre?

  Is that right?

• 50:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, if you Google Connie Chung weed,

• 50:15Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 06

  it'll come up. And, and there's a wonderful description of me.

• 50:20Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  But I think for a time, they were offering a five-pack pre-roll.

• 50:27Pablo Torre?

  That's right.

• 50:28Speaker 06

  For, um, it should be like only $5 or something like that.

• 50:32Pablo Torre?

  It's an incredible deal.

• 50:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:34Pablo Torre?

  An incredible deal.

• 50:35Speaker 06

  I was, I, I couldn't believe that I had-

• 50:39Pablo Torre?

  That you had, in fact, a potent strain with light green buds and flavors of earth and pine. With a hazy head high. And of course, as we, as you, as we know, as any consumer of this show knows, it's a good strain to wind down with at the end of the night.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:57Pablo Torre?

  Has Maury Povich smoked some Connie Chung?

• 51:01Speaker 06

  Only because it's you, Pablo, I will tell you that

• 51:07Speaker 06

  someone crossed state lines.

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Because I, you know, we can't, we can't order it online. That would not be good.

• 51:18Pablo Torre?

  I mean, you'd never, not, what would they think? What would they think if polite society were to discover this?

• 51:24Speaker 06

  Exactly. Somebody crossed state lines and brought it to us. Just a little bit, teeny little bit.

• 51:34Speaker 06

  And that somebody was able to mix it in a cigarette.

• 51:44Pablo Torre?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  Right? So that it wasn't so potent. And I can't do this. I can't tell you.

• 51:55Pablo Torre?

  Why not? Now I'm gonna hold you to account. Why can't, why? Please allow me to dig into this. So far, in my mental image, your husband, Maury Povich, is smoking a spliff of Connie Chung. Part tobacco, part you. And what's Maury like stoned on you?

• 52:18Speaker 06

  He, okay. He's, he says, yeah, I don't, I don't want to do anymore. I mean, he took like one or two pops.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  And he went, yeah. I was turned off to it. I mean, and that, and I said, I don't feel anything. I feel nothing.

• 52:46Speaker 06

  And so I said, I better take a few more tokes.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Then I started laughing.

• 52:58Speaker 06

  Good stuff, laughing.

• 53:03Pablo Torre?

  That feels like a bit of a metaphor for what has happened in this episode.

• 53:07Speaker 06

  Yeah?

• 53:08Pablo Torre?

  Maury said, "I've had enough of this woman. Got the [__] out, and you stayed here and got to laugh a lot with me."

• 53:17Speaker 06

  You caught it.

• 53:18Pablo Torre?

  Connie Chung, the legend, the better half of Maury Povich, the scoundrel with the booming voice, who also happens to be undefeated in spades with me when playing against Nick Cannon.

• 53:31Pablo Torre?

  It has been a pleasure to invade your personal lives.

• 53:35Speaker 06

  Well, I take offense that you got the weed story out of me.

• 53:44Speaker 06

  But it's only because it's you, Pablo.

• 53:56Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.