#315 Sadhguru - Stop Letting Your Mind DESTROY You

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:46Speaker 02

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• 0:50Speaker 01

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• 0:53Speaker 02

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• 1:04Speaker 03

  Sadhguru.

• 1:06Speaker 04

  Namaskaram. Good morning to you, Sean.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Good morning. Welcome to the show.

• 1:11Speaker 04

  Thank you very much.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  I've been really looking forward to this one. We actually tried to get you two or three years ago.

• 1:17Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:17Speaker 03

  And so it took a minute. But I just want to say I'm honored to have you here. I'm very thankful that you're here. And I'm very excited to talk to you about a slew of different things. So you seem like a person that has mastered being in the moment.

• 1:38Speaker 04

  What does it mean? Let me address this properly. See, what is being in the moment? I know in America, this has gone on like this. Everybody's talking about being in the moment. But one moment, Sean. Be somewhere else and show me.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  I mean, be present. Be present with what's going on.

• 2:05Speaker 04

  No, no, be somewhere else and show me, no?

• 2:09Speaker 04

  Is it possible?

• 2:10Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 2:12Speaker 03

  Not in my mind. In my mind, it's possible to be somewhere else.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  See, if you sit here and think of New York, you're thinking of New York, you're not there, right?

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  If you think of yesterday or tomorrow, you're only thinking about it. So essentially, when people say,

• 2:34Speaker 04

  "Be in the moment", they're telling you, "Do not think about the past, do not think about the future." If you do not think about the past and future, you will be a dodo.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Yes or no?

• 2:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  It took millions of years to develop this brain to this level of capacity, from a single-celled animal to here.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  And now they're telling you, "Don't think about the past, don't think about the future", because they don't know how to handle the damn thing.

• 3:03Speaker 04

  These kind of philosophies will destroy humanity.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  You are anyway in the moment. Why should I tell you, "Be in the moment"? I'm telling you, "Think of a thousand things", what is the problem? The more you wish to do in this world, the more you have to think, isn't it?

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  So, "Don't think about anything except what is here", is a silly way to live. I have at least 12 to 14 tracks in my mind, all the time running. Otherwise, how do you do everything?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Well, how do you balance that?

• 3:38Speaker 04

  I say, "Why are you off balance?", I'm asking. You ask a child, a toddler, "Look, this, this, this is walking", because he yet to know how to balance on two, two legs. Do I ask you, "How are you... Sean, you came walking down the stairs? How are you balancing"? You'll think I'm stupid or no?

• 4:00Speaker 04

  So I am saying, when it comes to the use of the mind, unfortunately, our education systems have left humanity largely crippled. They never taught you how to use this. They taught you how to use every other gadget in the world, except this, this is the most sophisticated technology, human mechanism, isn't it?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  It is.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  And human mechanism is not just body. It's a combination of body, mind, energy, emotion, everything together. Only when you handle all these things well, in some way you can do something significant and you also be well. Otherwise, if you do something significant, you are broken. Otherwise, you do nothing, you dope and sit in the corner. Is that the way hu- human beings should live?

• 4:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  So, I am not an expert in being in the moment. The whole creation is in this moment. What is my business to be elsewhere?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  So, you're telling me that your mind wanders just as much as everybody else's?

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Much more.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Much more.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  Lot more. Many times more.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  And that doesn't bother you at all?

• 5:13Speaker 04

  Why should it?

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Well...

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Your heart is beating, does it bother you? Should I stop it? Tell me.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Your liver, shall I stop it?

• 5:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  It's not bothering you? So much they're doing right, all of them. Your heart, liver, kidney, spleen, doing many, many things right now. Is it bothering you, shall we stop it? Only your brain you want to stop, what's your problem with that?

• 5:38Speaker 03

  Well, sometimes my, sometimes my thoughts do bother me.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  They keep me up.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  You do not want to stop the activity of your heart, or liver, or kidney, or spleen. But only your brain activity you want to stop, why I am asking you?

• 5:56Speaker 03

  I don't like it when I'm talking to somebody and I can't remember the conversation because my mind is in a completely different world, thinking about something different.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  So if your heart is working, your liver doesn't work, is it?

• 6:13Speaker 04

  It's a complex system, all of them work at once, isn't it? So similarly, your mind is also made like this, it can do a thousand things at once. But unfortunately, we've made them so linear. With our kind of thinking, our kind of education system, our idea of how to look at science, all these things have made us so linear. Now, if two things come... confused.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  You've been in combat? If you can't handle ten things at a time, you're dead man.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  Yes or no?

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Well, don't you think that... Or do you think that being in the moment with another human being will develop a deeper relationship? Family, friends?

• 7:04Speaker 04

  No, I'm asking you. Can you be in any other moment in... other than this moment, I'm asking?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Then why such a teaching?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Lot of trash is being dispensed in the world?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  How do you deepen your relationships?

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Me? I'm doing wonderfully well with everybody around me.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  I see that.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Not one, two, millions of them? Because human relationships are essentially need-based.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  You need somebody physically, you need somebody else mentally, you need somebody else emotionally, you need somebody else financially, like this. See, human relationships are largely built on their needs. Physical needs, psychological needs, emotional needs, social needs, maybe financial needs, and other kinds of needs.

• 8:08Speaker 04

  As long as it's need-based. If you are coming to me for a certain need, if I don't fulfill that need, you will break this relationship.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  But if you hold a relationship beyond the needs, then sometimes your needs may be fulfilled, sometime they're not. But if you address another human being as a human being, not as somebody who fulfills this or that for you, then there's a genuine relationship. Very few people even have the privilege of having such relationships. Very few human beings experience the beauty of such a relationship, where there's nothing to fulfill. It's wonderful, it's a privilege just to be with another human being.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  If you don't bring that into you, this is also there. Two people come together. Now, this person has a need. Initially, you go there because you have a need. After some time, you think they have a need for you. Then it becomes ugly. If you see someone else is fulfilling your needs, there'll be gratitude, there will be a deep sense of, you know, connect. But I sit here and think, "I'm fulfilling your need." Then this turns ugly, isn't it? Initially, it starts one way, after some time, they'll make it another way.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Are you saying those relationships aren't important?

• 9:48Speaker 04

  See, for a human being, relationships are important on two levels. Where a whole lot of human beings, what kind of relationships they hold in their life at various levels, determine the very quality of their life. This is a fact for most human beings. Very few people are above that. And above all...

• 10:17Speaker 04

  There are two ways to this. One is need-based relationships. Okay, I give you this, you give me that. So transactional. Transactions have to be managed always carefully. If you do a wrong transaction, that means if both of us are transacting and you feel that I'm giving you an unfair deal, doesn't matter how many years you know me, suddenly you will become... You know, you'll bristle up. Great friends turn against each other, lovers turn against each other because the deal has gone bad. Essentially, the transaction has gone bad, isn't it? Uh huh. So there are transactional relationships.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  But there can be relationships which are not looking forward to any transaction. Simply being together. So even if the being together is a need, then it becomes a transaction. If I want to be with you, please spend this much time with me. If you cannot, then I will become unhappy about it. To come to a place where I'm asking you as a life... You're a life, right, Sean?

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  I'm asking this question in a very different way. I'm not asking, are you living? I'm asking you, are you a piece of life?

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  As a life, you think this is a complete life?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Do I think I have a complete life?

• 11:52Speaker 04

  No, no. I'm not talking about you having a complete life. Or is this a complete life?

• 11:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  It is. But there's only one part of you... See, the physical body, all the mechanisms inside, very complex, but they all feel like they're complete. There's only one part of you which struggles, which is your psychological space, which feels incomplete.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  There are many aspects to this. A large aspect of it is trained, cultured by societies in which you live. So, you join the army. There, they're trying to reverse the culture. You're thrown somewhere alone, you learn to be there alone, by yourself, without anybody's anything. Maybe as a survival process, not as a way of being. But a yogi is withdrawing just by himself, just to see if he's a complete life or he's a half a life. Most people are feeling like half a life, because if there's not one more person, this person, that person around them, they'll feel lost.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  To act in the world, to be effective in the world, you need to hold good relationships. If people around you don't love you, and they want to do the best for you, they will want to do the best for you only if they have some sense of love for you. We're one of the topmost global companies in the world. Top 25 executives are with me for three days in a resort. I have nine volunteers. You know, our organization is a volunteer organization. There are over 7,000, whatever number of, maybe 7,300 or 400 full-time volunteers, over 19 million part-time volunteers. Wow.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  All of them doing various ITF work globally. So, these nine guys are working for me. As you must have seen, two volunteers came here, and they've been communicating with your teams. Volunteers means they're not paid employees. They're doing it because they want to do it. So, these nine people are going about doing whatever they're doing. These top 25 executives have this major company in the world, a company that everyone knows on the planet. I don't want to name them. So, they observe this, and the second they ask, you know, they're always looking for attrition. They ask, "Sadhguru, where do you get these people?"

• 14:23Speaker 04

  I said, "You don't get such people, you have to make them."

• 14:28Speaker 04

  "How do you make them?" I said, "You have to make them fall in love with you." "How do we do that?"

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Then I say, "First, you have to fall in love with them."

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Then they say, "Oh, they don't pay us for that."

• 14:49Speaker 04

  So, when your entire life is transactional, you live one way.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  When you operate out of inclusiveness of life, you made everything a part of yourself. Now, it's different. See, right now, the air that you breathe as you sit here is coming from elsewhere, isn't it? The plants are exhaling, the trees are exhaling, we are inhaling. The water that you drink is coming from elsewhere, the food that you eat is coming from elsewhere. This is a transaction.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  If you treat it only as a transaction, you'll live a very superficial life, which unfortunately is beginning to happen to modern societies. But actually, this is life-making material, isn't it? The air that we breathe, the water that we drink, the food that we eat, our very bodies, we slowly gather with these things, isn't it?

• 15:48Speaker 04

  So, if you recognize that these are all the things making our life, this is not things to transact with, then we will treat them very differently, beyond transactions. When you conduct relationships beyond transactional value of what it is, there may be transactions, but if you treat it beyond transactional value, then the relationships are better rooted and they function much better.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  And more profound experience of life, above all. After all, with life, there are only two things, in terms of experience. In terms of action, another thing. Let's say three things. When you sit here, for any human being, first thing is, you want pleasantness of life. You want to feel pleasant. Pleasantness means what? If you feel pleasant in the body, we call this health. You want it? Say clearly, Sean. Yes. Because if ill health comes, everything that matters to our life will go away, isn't it?

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Health becomes full-time job. Right now, there is health, so we do many things. No health, we'll do only that, pursuing health. So, when you say yes, don't say yes to me. You must say yes in such a way, every cell in the body hears it. It's very important. Every cell in this body must hear that you want health. Mixed messages should not happen. Okay. So pleasantness of the body, we call as health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure. Well, that also people want. If man becomes pleasant, we call it peace. You want? Yes. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it joy.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  Yes. If your emotions become pleasant, we call this love. Yes. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion. If our surroundings become... if our very life energies become pleasant, we call this blissfulness. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  If our surroundings become pleasant, we call this success. Only to create pleasantness in our surroundings, we need the cooperation of many people and forces around us. To create pleasantness of the body, mind, emotion and energy is 100% our business, isn't it? Yes, well... That business not taken care of right now with most of the people on the planet. There is not stress, distress in most people. Though, as a generation of people, we have more comforts and conveniences than any generation ever in the history of humanity, isn't it?

• 18:58Speaker 04

  It's true. But still, we are not comfortable, we are not peaceful. So what's wrong? Something wrong with the world? No, we have not learnt how to handle this.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  Nothing wrong with the world. What are we doing wrong? Huh? What are we doing wrong?

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Do you agree with me that this human mechanism

• 19:24Speaker 04

  is the most complex technology in the world? I would agree with you.

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• 20:52Speaker 04

  Have you read the user's manual?

• 20:54Shawn Ryan?

  I have not.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Then you're bumbling around with the sophisticated technology. That's all the problem is.

• 21:06Shawn Ryan?

  What was the manual?

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 21:08Shawn Ryan?

  What manual?

• 21:09Speaker 04

  User's manual.

• 21:10Shawn Ryan?

  The user's?

• 21:11Speaker 04

  How to use it?

• 21:14Shawn Ryan?

  There is no user's manual.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Who says?

• 21:21Speaker 04

  You may not come with a tag around your neck when you come out of your mother's womb, but it's built into this. If you pay enough attention, it's all there. Is it true, while you're a soldier, you know this well, is it true among men or women, one person learns to use his body way better than the other one?

• 21:46Shawn Ryan?

  This is true.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Same body?

• 21:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  How come? Figured out something, isn't it?

• 21:54Shawn Ryan?

  Practice, drive?

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter. Figured out something.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  How is not the point. Somehow figured out something. Whether an athlete, or a soldier, or a yogi, or a cook, or whatever, somebody figured out something better than the other, yes or no?

• 22:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  How did they figure out? More keener observation to things, isn't it?

• 22:19Speaker 04

  They looked at it better. They saw a little deeper. Everybody can use their hand. Somebody uses it like magic. People are even doing magic right in front of your eyes. You can't see what they're doing.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Magicians are openly admitting, “No magic is just sleight of hand. Right in front of you, they do this. You and me think we are smart and you’re watching like this, but something comes and something goes. Are they doing or no?” I mean, they’re doing it. They’re doing it. Same hands, they also go out like us, but they’re doing something that we can’t do, right? So, our ability to use this mechanism is still at its minimum, because people have not read the user’s manual. So, my fundamental work is this, to provide them with a user’s manual, different levels

• 23:22Speaker 04

  of manual for different people. No belief system, no philosophy, no ideology, no teaching. Technologies for God being. How to use this better? How to use it in a way that your own body and your own mind is not an impediment in your life? Well, the army is trying to do it in a different way. How you are not an impediment to yourself? They’re trying to kick it out of you. It works for that purpose, but it doesn’t work beyond that. So, those who are effective soldiers or athletes or something else, where they performed

• 24:04Speaker 04

  at a level that most other men will not perform, are still quite incompetent with their lives, isn’t it? As you’ve figured out one aspect better than the other, similarly, if the similar attention is paid, other aspects also can be figured out. That’s all I’m saying. Yes. How many levels are there? You shouldn’t fix it like that, because, see, if you look at the body, there are many levels, but it’ll stop at some point. Physical body has a limit. With mind, it’s many more, but still there is a limit.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  But if you explore human consciousness, there’s no such thing. There’s no limit. Even with the physical world...

• 24:56Speaker 04

  We have always said this in yoga. We call the universe as an ever-expanding universe. This is how yoga describes the universe. Today, modern scientists have started saying the same thing, that they are saying it's expanding. They are not able to figure out where it begins, where it ends. So now, they are not only saying that we do not know. The top physicists are saying we will never know. In our perception, we will never know where it begins, where it ends, because it seems seemingly endless. So when the physical nature is like that, you can't figure out where it begins, where it ends.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  When you talk about consciousness, there is no limit, there is no level. Just how much are you cut out for?

• 25:48Speaker 03

  What exactly does that mean, there is no limit to consciousness? What does that mean for us?

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Let's put it this way. There are four aspects to human intelligence. These four, I'll use the Indian terms, because they describe this exactly. The Sanskrit terms are like this. First one is called buddhi, which we can largely say is the intellect. Would you like your intellect to be sharp or blunt?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Sharp.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Why do you think so much?

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Because I think there is a... I think there are advantages to being blunt.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Really?

• 26:40Speaker 03

  Disadvantages as well. But I think with blunt, if when you're blunt, your message will come across directly, but maybe with less confusion.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm not talking about you being blunt with somebody.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  I'm talking about your intellect. You want it sharp or blunt?

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Sharp.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  Because the purpose of the intellect is to penetrate.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Sharper the better, isn't it? So if I give you a knife, I see you're keeping a Rambo knife out there. You want it sharp or blunt? Sharp. Sharp. Because a blunt object is not called a knife. The sharp object which is called a knife. We don't give sharp objects or knives to children. Why? Is because knife is dangerous. They don't know how to use it. Their hands are not steady. They may cut themselves or cut somebody else. Knife has never been a dangerous thing. It's never jumped up and stabbed somebody.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  It's the hand that uses it. One hand uses it to save a life, another hand uses it to take a life. So the instrument of knife is... has to be sharp. The sharper the better. Similarly intellect sharper the better. But most people are cutting themselves all the time. See, you've been in the army. Though you've been in a fighting force, how many times did you get stabbed? Zero. Nothing. Those who live ordinary lives, even a mosquito doesn't bite them.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  But from inside they poke themselves every day. Because they have a sharp knife. And they're trying to dull it by dipping into these bottles. Why do you think in the evening they're soaking their brain in alcohol or drug? Because they're trying to escape something. No, no, to dull the knife that's cutting them from inside. Okay. Because if... from outside if you're coming at me with a knife, these bottles are dangerous for me, isn't it? From inside I am cutting myself up. To dull my knife, I drink or drug or do something. If you dull your knife, ah, maybe it'll give you some relief.

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Not a solution, isn't it?

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Definitely, it gives you some relief, otherwise so many people are not going into it. But it's not a solution. Essentially, what I'm trying to tell you is, your intellect should be sharp. But if you want to handle a sharp object, your hand must be steady and you must be conscious. If you're like a child, if you're la-la-la-la-la kind, you'll cut yourself up. Right now, that's all that's happening. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful. But you have a human intellect and you're suffering. Where do you think all the human suffering is manufactured? In Franklin, is it?

• 30:10Speaker 03

  Where do I think all the human suffering is manufactured?

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Is manufactured in Franklin?

• 30:14Speaker 03

  I don't think so, no.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Where?

• 30:17Speaker 03

  I think it's from within.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  It's in the head. In our own head. So why are we manufacturing something that we don't want? Unconscious handling of the knife, isn't it? Have a knife and if you move unconsciously, your intestines will come out. If you have a very sharp knife, you must be very conscious, how you pull it out, how you put it back. Otherwise, it'll cut you up. Because knife doesn't have a mind of its own. It will do the way you handle it, isn't it?

• 30:53Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  The same with your intellect. If you don't know how to hold it, you don't even know which is the blade, which is the handle, the tighter you hold it, the more it hurts. It's happening to people every day. Not a joke. From a single-celled creature. To evolve a life like this and to give you a brain of this capacity, of this cerebral capacity, it's taken millions of years of research and development. You can dismiss this off with one single word: evolution. Evolution is not just like that. It made things right, wrong, right, wrong, right, wrong, and got it this way, isn't it?

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Trial and error happened in the evolutionary process. And after all this work, this much brain came. And now, this is the worst enemy you have.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  See, nobody, even you went to battles, nobody stabbed you. But from inside, it stabs you. What is this?

• 32:06Speaker 04

  I must tell you this, a tragic story.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  I saw the stats for the vets committing suicide is horrendous.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  This happened with a reasonably popular television anchor in India, in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  She's just around thirty-three, thirty-four years of age, a young woman.

• 32:36Speaker 04

  One day, she jumps off the fifth-floor window of her apartment, kills herself. She leaves a note, "No one is responsible for my death. My brain is my enemy."

• 32:52Speaker 04

  I thought,

• 32:55Speaker 04

  this is the greatest gift we have, that we have intelligence. Why we are dominating this world is not because we are the strongest. Actually, if we didn't have this brain, a colony of ants could dominate the human beings. It's our brain which made us who we are. But now, brain is the enemy for most people. Some, unfortunately, they go to this extent that they take their own life. Others, daily poking themselves and suffering in thousand different ways. You can call it stress, you can call it anxiety, you can call it distress, depression, this, that. You can give a thousand names. Essentially, your intelligence has turned against you, isn't it?

• 33:42Speaker 04

  If your intelligence worked for you, would you keep yourself blissful or miserable? Yes. Blissful, isn't it? So essentially, you don't know how to hold the sharp knife.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  You have been given a sharp knife and dis-sharpened over millions of years to get this to this place and now you don’t know how to hold it. Isn’t it a tragedy? It is. So that’s what I am trying to fix all the time. How to hold your stupid knife? Don’t hold it like this, okay? Don’t keep poking yourself, for what? You can use these fingers to do many things or you can use these two fingers to poke your own eyeballs. What is the point? So this is what is happening because the hand has not been trained. So let me use this analogy.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Knife and the hand. So the second part of this, first part of the mind, we call it as buddhi or the intellect. Sharper, the better. But by itself, it cannot do anything. A hand should pick it up. Then only it works, the knife. The hand, we call ahankara. Ahankara literally means the identity. See, you are identified as an American man. So you go and fight for America. You could die. Possible. Personally, you are here, but many did not come back.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Because of your identity, you are willing to stake your life. In many ways, life is the most precious thing. But our identity becomes larger than that, that we are identified as American or Indian or this or that, white, black, yellow, green, whatever we are. Once we identify ourselves with something, the intellect works only to protect that identity. So if you see a knife which is sharp, the hand that holds is your identity. So how you identify yourself is very important. If your knife is super capable, it’s extremely important,

• 36:10Speaker 04

  the hand that holds it also must be equally steady and stable, isn’t it? For this to happen, we devise something in the yogic systems.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  When we want to start education for a child, which was usually at the age of 12, today they are starting at three and a half, that's the wrong thing to do. Because people saw in ancient times, till 12 years of age, the only thing that should happen is, the body and brain should grow to its full size. Child should eat well, play well, sleep well, that's all. No ABC, no 123, no nonsense, no becoming a CEO at the age of 9. You know today, all this happening. Because we are in a hurry to live. So till 12 years of age, no teaching, child should simply grow physically, mentally, with brain and body should grow.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  So when we initiate a child into education, because education is not seen as accumulation of knowledge, education is seen as empowerment.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Now you are trained as a soldier, there is a certain empowerment. You could do certain things that I cannot do.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  So how you use this empowerment is extremely important. Otherwise you could be a very dangerous man, either for others or for yourself. So many people who get this empowerment in so many different ways, use it in terrible ways in the world. People do it all the time. The same goes for education. Education is an empowerment. So if you have to empower a human being, what should we do? First thing we did was, we created a mantra. It's called a humbra mashmi. What this means is, a child of 12 identifies that my identity is cosmic.

• 38:12Speaker 04

  I belong to the family, but my identity is not of the family. I belong to this community, but my identity is not of community. I belong to this nation, but my identity is not of nationality. I belong to this species, but my identity is not to this species. My identity is cosmic, all-inclusive. Because now I am being empowered. If I am empowered like this, my identity should be as large as possible. Because, see, we think there are good people and bad people and this and that. No, there is only limited identity and a larger identity.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  I literally just had this conversation with my wife last night.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  She had with you or you had with her?

• 39:00Speaker 03

  I had with her.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Once your identity is limited, then... See, what you call as crime is just that. Right now, I think I should be well. I don't care what happens to you. Because my identity with this... This is a crime, isn't it? So now I think, no, no, Sean is my friend. We two are one. All the other guys are different. We can do whatever we want with them. So this will happen with family, with community, with society, with nationality, with race, religion. We are doing this in a thousand ways. So we always did this.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  Before education starts, first thing is, my identity is cosmic. That is, all life is included in this.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  So you're saying you don't identify with any particular group or people? Your identity is caused...

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Myself?

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  Definitely not. That's why I am called a yogi. The word yoga means that. Yoga means union. Union between what and what? Who created the separation? You think the planet can exist without the sun?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Or you think the sun can exist without the universe?

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Cannot.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  Universe can exist without the galaxy? Who is separating this? We in our small heads, isn't it?

• 40:27Speaker 04

  So when you realize experientially that actually there is no separation, then we say you're in yoga. So anyway, let's finish this. There is a buddhi, or the intellect, which is a sharp knife, and there's a hand that holds it. Now, this whole hand is identity. This training is completely missing in the world, across the world. Everybody identifying with a football team and fighting with the other guys, identifying with a community and fighting with other community, nation and other nation, endlessly we are going on. Because, see, look at this. What is it that is causing maximum damage on the planet? Educated people or uneducated people? Educated people.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  See, the empowerment has turned against us, isn't it? Such a tremendous empowerment of education, understanding of science, technology, this is what has turned against us because the hand that holds is not well-trained. So first part is buddhi, second is ahankara, this is the identity. The third is called manas. This is a silo of memory. We identify eight types of memory. There's evolutionary memory, there's elemental memory, there's elemental memory, there's evolutionary memory, genetic memory,

• 41:54Speaker 04

  and conscious and unconscious levels of memory, articulate and inarticulate levels of memory, and the surface memory that you have on a daily basis. You remember what you ate for breakfast, you remember the conversation that you had with your spouse. This is surface level of memory. So eight types of memory, all of them are playing with you right now. Do you remember how your, ten generations ago, how your great-great-great-grandfather was? No. No. But his nose is sitting on your face, isn't it? His nose is sitting on my face? Yeah. You resemble him in some way, isn't it so?

• 42:37Speaker 04

  A million years ago, how your forefathers were. Even your skin, epithelial cells remember the tone of the skin even today, isn't it?

• 42:47Speaker 04

  So I am saying, memory, this is a body of memory, enormous memory. Today, you are looking in a certain way, you sit in a certain way because your genetics does those things. Beyond that, you have this form because there is an evolutionary memory. Suddenly, you can't look like a tiger or a lion. You can only look like this because there is evolutionary memory which decides this is a human being. So, eight forms of memory which are ruling you every moment of your life. So, between the intellect and this silo of memory, there is this hand which is the identity. If this identity creates the context for your life.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Identity is not action, identity gives you the context. If you don't set the right context, everything that you do can be wrong. Everything that you do can be against somebody or yourself, against another life or this own li- this life, all the time. This is what is happening to human beings right now because there is such a complex web of memory within us, which is what makes us sophisticated life, which is what makes us a kind of a rich life. But if you do not know how to handle the context of that, then everything seems to be a problem.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Everything, people remember they are suffering, isn't it? See, what are people suffering? They think, why this whole being in the moment has come is because people are suffering their memory and their imagination both. What happened yesterday, they already suffer. Well, they are also suffering from their desires. I'll come to that. Okay. See, what happened 10 years ago, they can suffer today, isn't it? Say that again. What happened ten years ago, you can sit here and suffer, isn't it? Yeah. So are you suffering life or are you suffering memory? Both. No, no, no. See, what happened ten years ago, is it alive right now? No. No. So are you suffering life or are you suffering your memories?

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Memory. You're suffering your memory. What may happen day after tomorrow, you already suffer. Are you suffering life or are you suffering imagination? Imagination. So, most of the time, human beings are suffering their memory and imagination. So, somebody churns out a philosophy, be in the moment. You can't be anywhere else, you can only be in the moment. There is no other way to be. Essentially, they are saying, don't think about yesterday and tomorrow. Then you will be a dodo life. Not a worthwhile life in any way. So, let's go to that later. Right now, there is an intellect. There is an identity which holds it. Depending on what this identity is, accordingly, this intellect will function.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  If I hold my identity as... by my nation, or by my race, or religion, or family, or whatever,

• 45:56Speaker 04

  or my individuality, that's how my intellect will function.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Now, this is being fueled by my memory. If you cut the memory off, your intellect is useless. It's like if your computer has no memory card in it, it's a blank screen. Your intellect is just like that. If you remove the memory, it may be sharp, but it can't do nothing. Because there's no memory, it won't know where to act.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  So, these three instruments are functioning. And we have not handled... We are only handling one aspect, loading it up with more and more memory. Fortunately, AI is coming, it'll handle our memory load.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  We don't have to walk around like stupid data centers. Data centers are being built.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  But, right now, what you call as education is build some silly data center in your head.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Don't take me wrong, with all due respect to all those professions, I am saying this. See, if you read three books, you can become a school teacher.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  If you read ten books, you can become a professor.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  If you read just one book, you can claim you are an agent of God. I read nothing. People accuse me that I am a mystic. Strange world. We need to change this. Very important. Because, based, memory-based world we have created. So this is what AI is going to disturb. Our memory will look puny and insignificant and useless compared to what the machine can do. And it's fantastic. Anyway, we were talking about consciousness. There is a fourth dimension of intelligence. Which is, in yoga, we refer to this as chitta.

• 47:53Speaker 04

  Chitta means, there is an intelligence within you, which is life's fundamental intelligence,

• 48:01Speaker 04

  which is unsullied by memory. There is no memory in it. It's pure intelligence.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  This is the source of creation. It's everywhere. It's not just in me or you. You and me have captured a little bit. But it's everywhere in the existence, in the creation. So this intelligence, we call as chitta. In the yogic culture, they like to be mischievous about this. They say, if you touch chitta, if you touch this intelligence, which is the source of creation, they say, "God will become your slave." Because he will do what you want even before you think about it.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Even before you ask for it, even before you think about it, he will do that for you. What more do you want? You don't even have to desire.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Because you have touched that intelligence which has no memory in it, but pure intelligence, which is the very basis of life and creation. Once you touch that intelligence, this in English loosely we are using the word consciousness. But word consciousness, medical people are using consciousness in one way, environmental people are using consciousness in another way. I am not talking in that context. I am talking about, you know that you are here only because you are conscious, isn't it? If you become unconscious, you would know that. If you sleep, you wouldn't know that. But if you sleep, does it mean you are not at all conscious?

• 49:37Speaker 04

  You are conscious, but the surface has slept. But if I poke you, you will wake up, isn't it? But if you are dead, if I poke you, you don't wake up. So consciousness is that which is the very fundamental of life, that intelligence which makes everything happen here. If you are religious kind, you can call it god. It's just that I am not using that word because immediately people say, okay, which god, which religion, this, that. That's not it. Whatever human beings think, fundamentally, we didn't create the universe. Hello? I didn't, you did? No.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  No. Okay, don't blame me. I didn't. So we didn't create the universe. Before we opened our eyes, it was all here. Many things we created. Some of them good things, some of them maybe are not so good things. But before we came here, universe was here. So naturally a question arises in our mind, who created this?

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Being human beings, we think it must be a big human being somewhere. If we were buffalos, I am particularly using the buffalo because it seems, at that time, 300 years ago or so, when the first people from Europe came here, there were over 60 million buffalos on this land, North America. 60 million, much more than the human population. So, if they had a vote and if there was a democracy, naturally, the president would be a buffalo and God would be a buffalo, isn't it for them? Yes or no? Yes. Because we are human, we think everything in human forms.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  But if we were in some other form, we would be thinking in those forms. So, the question is not about what you believe and disbelieve is another matter. That's a question of faith, I won't touch that. That's individual faith, they can believe whatever. But essentially, we all know, whatever nonsense we believe or don't believe, we did not create the universe. Obviously, it happened. And the magnificent nature of it just reeks of brilliance everywhere. If you look at a leaf, if you look at a leaf for your entire life, you can't figure it. With all this science and scientific exploration,

• 52:16Speaker 04

  we still do not know one atom in its entirety. We know how to use it, fuse it, break it, make a bomb out of it, but we do not know what a single atom is. That's how complex and sophisticated creation is. Obviously, it's the most brilliant job ever done, isn't it? Yes. So, you want to ascribe it to God or to another intelligence, do whatever. But the important thing is, we didn't make it. Because we don't make it, as far as possible, we shouldn't break it. It's a simple sense. It's not an ultimate knowledge, simple sense.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  Because something that we cannot create, we shouldn't break, isn't it?

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Yes. That much sense we have? Makes sense. Something that we cannot create, we should not break. Very good idea.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  So, this dimension of intelligence, if we touch that, life evolves in ways that you cannot believe. In my own experience of life,

• 53:31Speaker 04

  I did not look for any of these things, ever. I ne-- I was the most...

• 53:41Speaker 04

  If, at that time, if anybody had told me, "You will turn spiritual", I would have just laughed them out. Because I was the last person in the queue. If... I would never stand in the line, first of all, for that.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  I grew up very agnostic, to start with. Then slowly as, you know, as you move towards your teenage, you become arrogant enough to become ethistic. And...

• 54:12Speaker 04

  I must tell you this in a better format. You okay with the story?

• 54:18Speaker 04

  I must have been just over four, four-and-a-half years of age.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  Suddenly, one day, I realized, I don't know anything.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Don't know anything at all.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  To a point where if somebody gives me a glass of water, I am just staring at this water for two, three hours.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  I know I can drink this water. I know how to use the water, but I don't know what it is. Even today, you don't know what it is.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  If you want to look for life somewhere in some other planet, we are looking for a drop of water. That much we know. The usefulness of water, we know. But we don't know what it is.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Actually, we don't know anything about anything.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  We know only how to use them.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  We do not know what it is.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  If I find a leaf, I am just staring at it for five, six hours. I sit up in my bed and I am staring at the darkness for the whole night. My dear father, being a physician, he thinks I need psychiatric evaluation. This boy is all the time staring at something. It looks like he has lost it. My problem is, I am looking at this, I still don't know what it is. I am not able to shift my attention to this. When I look at something, it just absorbs me. I am not able to look at another thing. In this condition, they send me to school.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  I never realized why I am going to school. Anyway, they send me to school. My mother said, "Don't look, stare here and there. Pay attention to the teacher." I went and paid attention to the teacher, the kind of attention that they would have never received in their life. Absolute attention, that I am seeing them through and through. Initially, I sort of understood what they were trying to say. After some time, I realized, "They are just making sounds. I am making up the meanings in my head. Even now, it is so. I am just making sounds. You are making up the meanings in your mind, isn't it?" Yes.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  Suppose, any of the South Indian languages, you know, we have nineteen hundred languages in India. Nineteen hundred? That's a lot of languages. If I speak any one of those languages, you think I am just making sounds, isn't it? Language is a conspiracy between two people. Suppose, we know English and there is a bunch of people who don't know English here. If we don't want them to know what we are talking, we will talk in English. Otherwise, we'll talk to them in their language. So, language is, I make one sound, you make up the meaning. I make another sound, you make another meaning. Yes?

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Even if I mispronounce an English word, you won't know what to make out of it, isn't it? Because it's just a sound. This is true. So, when I realized they're just making sounds, why am I making up meanings in my head? So, I sat there with full attention, not ignoring them, with full attention, listening to them, without making any meanings. Hour after hour, different teachers come and make different kinds of noises. It became very amusing for me. A big smile spread on my face. They were not amused at all. So, my schooling went like this.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  I went there only when it was absolutely necessary or when they caught me and took me back. Otherwise, I got lost somewhere. I climbed up a tree and one day went away. Another day, I got into somewhere else and another day went away. Because I... I was just... I didn't know anything. Anything means anything at all. So, I'm trying to pay attention to the world. I'm trying to figure out at least one or two things. Hey, school you go, they're talking something that doesn't mean anything to them. I first thing, within few months, I realized they're just doing this for a livelihood.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  They're saying things that doesn't mean anything to them. Even today, this is my stance. You speak nuclear science, I will not listen to you, unless it means something to you. You're talking some nonsense, but it means a lot to you. I will listen. Because if it doesn't mean something to you, why the hell should I listen?

• 59:16Speaker 04

  It means something to you. Maybe it makes sense, it doesn't make sense. It means something to you, means I will listen. It doesn't mean anything to you, first of all, you shouldn't be talking. On top of it, I shouldn't be listening. So, in the school, this was my problem. I couldn't listen to them. The moment I see they're saying something that doesn't mean anything to them, I'm not willing to listen to them. So, if the bird calls, I went out. If a monkey calls, I went out. If a squirrel calls, I went out. The mangoes calls, I went out. Went on like this. About seventeen, eighteen years ago, I think, this school where I studied over fifty years ago,

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  they came to invite me for their hundred and twenty-fifth anniversary. The trustees came. I said, "See, I was not just a not-good student. I was not even a student. I barely came there somehow. I went through your school. I'm not an inspiration for your children. Please, leave me alone." They, (laugh) they said, "You know, our school has produced cricketing stars. You know cricket is a big thing in India. And produced union ministers, film stars. But you are the only mystic, you must come." (laugh)

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  So, I went. Stood up to speak in the quarter-angle, same oppressive buildings. I just looked around and looking for something to say about this school. Then I look at this classroom and I suddenly remember, I was around twelve years of age.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  One afternoon, the teacher is trying to get some response from me for some question he's asked. By the time, by that time, I've graduated to place. If I look at you, initially I see you. After that, I see your energies. I know your past, present and future, but I won't hear what you're saying. Because what you're saying, or what anybody's saying, didn't mean anything to me because I've seen them through and through. What they're talking is not even something of any relevance to me. So his question, I see energy forms, but I don't hear his question. But I'm in full attention, I'm not ignoring him.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  Thirty, thirty-five minutes, he strives hard to get an answer out of me. But these are times, these are a few years, where I won't speak a word for sometimes a week, ten days, like this. Because when you don't know nothing, what are you, what is there to say? I'm still trying to grasp life, paying attention to the smallest things around me. And when he doesn't get any response, the man goes wild. Comes and holds me by the shoulder, shakes me like this violently, and says, "You must either be the divine or the devil. I think you're the latter." Wow.

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  (Laughs) Till then, my problem was, what is that, what is that, what is that, what is that, what is that, what is this? I have a billion questions. But one thing was clear, this is me. Suddenly, this man confused me about this also. I look like this, is this divine, is this devil, what the hell is this? I couldn't stare at myself, so I started closing my eyes. My journey began.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Initially, minutes, hours, days, I closed my eyes. That's how my journey began. This man confused me about who I am.

• 1:03:17Shawn Ryan?

  Why did you close your eyes?

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  Trying to stare at myself. I was staring at everything, trying to figure it out. But, one thing was clear, this is me. There was no question about this. I had question about everything. Suddenly, the question rose about this. What is this? So I tried to stare, it didn't work, so I closed my eyes naturally.

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• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  What did you see when you closed your eyes?

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  See, the eyelids are like, the cameras are there, there is a lens cap. You put a lens cap and ask the camera, "What are you seeing?" "What is that?"

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  You said, "Nothing."

• 1:05:30Speaker 04

  Isn't that the reason you've got eyelids? But people close their eyelids and replay their old videos. I don't. When I close my eyes, world is over for me.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  Isn't that the way it should be?

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  It's black.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  No. If you shut your mouth, you should stop speaking, isn't it?

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Inside, I am speaking. That means I'm crazy. Yes or no?

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:06:05Speaker 04

  You don't admit.

• 1:06:09Speaker 03

  That being, everybody has an internal voice.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  See,

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  one of the fundamentals with which the medical professionals decide whether you are sane or insane is, voices start speaking inside of you.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  You start hearing voices, either you can say you're ill, or you can say you're possessed.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  But something has gone wrong, isn't it?

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Because if my hand is like this, if I want, I keep it here, if I want, I do this, if I want, I do this, this. It's a good hand. But without my permission, if it starts jumping, you think Mr. Parkinson is visiting or something, right?

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  You would think that.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  So similarly, if your mind starts hopping around without your permission, your speech starts going on without your permission, and your videos start running without your permission, it means something is wrong. Because a lot of people are in that condition, we are trying to make it more normal. When I first came to the United States, they are ninety-six or ninety-seven.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  Wherever I go, people are talking about, uh, what's stress management? I couldn't understand this. I said, "Why they want to... Why American people want to manage stress?" Because in my understanding, we manage things which are precious to us. We manage our family, our wealth, our business, our money. Why would you want to manage stress? Took me some time to realize, everybody has concluded that stress is a part of their life. Stress is not a part of your life, nor is it the nature of the work that you do. It's just that you are an inefficient machine, so there's friction within you, isn't it?

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  Okay, there's friction. Lot of friction. Lot of friction means either it's not well engineered, or not well aligned, or not enough lubrication. Yes? I would agree with that. You should, because you handle weapons. When it gets stuck, you know what it means. So if you close your eyes, the eyelids are made in such a way, if you close it, to cut out the light, to cut out the scenery. No, you close it and play your own scenery. What is that? Taking control?

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  Not taking control. When you're done with this, if you switch off this light, are you taking in control of something? It's a simple nonsense. When the purpose for the life, the light is over, you switch it off, right? Yes. Similarly, now we want to see, our eyes are open. We don't want to see, we close our eyes. We're making such a big deal about that. Because it's very highly sophisticated machine without users manually. That's why it's like this.

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  How many people out there do you think don't have an internal voice?

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  See, if you consciously speak within yourself to prepares for something else, that's okay. But it's speaking by itself means we're on the verge of madness, isn't it? We are not already there.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean... I see what you're saying. But it means stress enters people's heads, fears enter people's head, things you need to do enter your head.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Being prepared for future events.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  No, I'm not talking without being empathetic to all the things people are going through. I'm trying to address the very fundamental nature.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  The fundamental nature, if any instrument is, the camera is there, you put the lens cap, the idea is it doesn't shoot anymore, right?

• 1:10:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  So you put your, the eyelids down, that means the idea is you don't see anything. Now you ask me, you close your eyes and what do you see?

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  You want me to close my eyes?

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  No, you said, when you close your eyes, what did you see? The idea of closing the eyes is you don't want to see.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  If you want to see, you must open your eyes. If you close your eyes, one thing that you have done is, one major sense organ input, you cut it off.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Ears don't have flaps like that, but you can ignore it. Nostals don't have flaps like that, you can ignore it. But eyes are nearly eighty percent of the input. You cut the input so that there is more attention for what's happening within.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  But we're talking about closing your eyes, saying nothing, basically tuning out, correct?

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  Hmm, see, that's what, we are trying to make it a principle.

• 1:11:50Speaker 04

  Out of a simple act.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  Right now, you are sitting like this.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  Does it mean you are holding your ability to shoot in your hands and holding it like this? Or your ability to do so many things, holding it like this and sitting, is it? No, they are just sitting in your hands. When you want to use it, you use it, otherwise you keep it here.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  But if you are... If you are unconscious, this may start moving and doing its own things without your permission. When that happens, we say, "Somebody is unwell," isn't it? Yes, that's what we say. So if that happens in your mind, what would... what should we say? "You are not very well." Let me put it mildly.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  If it goes beyond a certain point, then you know it's unwell, isn't it? Yes. So I am saying instead of... and addressing the root of it, we are always trying to prune it and see how it will be okay. It will not be okay. You can be either insane totally, or you can be sane in such a way insanity cannot touch you, or you can be in a socially accepted level of madness. My choice for every human being is, they must be above the possibility of insanity. It's possible for everybody to be like that.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  It's just that there is no structure, there is no striving in that direction. Everybody thinks it's normal to be anxious, it's normal to be stressed, it's normal to be distressed. No, it is not.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  When you were a child, it was normal to be joyful, isn't it?

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  When did it become normal to be stressful?

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Adult life.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  When you become an adult, maybe is the answer to that.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  See, when you were a child, were you eager to become an adult?

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Quickly? Were.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Quicker than it was happening, isn't it?

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  When you were eight, you want to be twelve, when you are twelve, you want to be eighteen, when you are eighteen, you want to be thirty, yes or no?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  And then it reverses.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, if you handle it badly, not for me, I don't want to go back there.

• 1:14:24Speaker 04

  If you handle it badly, you want to reverse and go back into your mother's womb one day.

• 1:14:31Speaker 04

  No, no, the life doesn't allow you that. Once you are out, from womb, tomb is the only place to go. In between, will you make it wonderful or ugly, it's up to you.

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  I am repeating this, we didn't make the creation.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  But how this, this one experiences this life, we can determine that, isn't it?

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  In the yogic terminology, we call this karma.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  Karma means action.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  Karma means action?

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  Yes. Are you getting bored with me? Let me read you one poem.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  You like substance abuse. Ah, look at you.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  The poem is called Substance Abuse.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  "To be sober is dreary, but inebration takes you away from all that is reality.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  How to dwell, how to dwell in the empty room of dry, lifeless logic? Logic through the day, and inebration at the end of the day. Logic through the week, and inebration for the weekend. Logic at work, and inebration for the vacation, say the compromisers."

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  Come, I have a substance that leaves you in throes of ecstasy and peak of alertness at once. No need for secrecy. No one will find us in our within. Let us abuse the substance without dimension. Let us abuse the substance without dimension, but within. Let us get super sober and stoned.

• 1:16:37Speaker 04

  Because the greatest chemical factory on the planet is this one, isn't it? The most sophisticated. If you were a good CEO of this factory, what chemicals would you produce? Chemistry of ecstasy and blissfulness or chemistry of stress and misery? I would rather have blissfulness. So, lousy CEO. So what? Lousy CEO, I'm saying. If you give an industry to a lousy CEO, the product that needs to come out, that won't come out, something else will come out.

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  The square one of your life, if you see, when you're five, six years of age, for no reason, you're just bubbling and bouncing with joy. Somebody has to work hard to make you miserable at that time. Now, everybody has to work so hard to make you happy.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Even peaceful has become a challenge. I must tell you this. I was to speak in Tel Aviv.

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  I'm flying out of Atlanta.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  And I was to arrive there around 11:00 in the morning and speak at 6:30 in the evening. But due to some flight delays, I got delayed. And I landed at 6 o'clock in the evening.

• 1:18:04Speaker 04

  I have a reputation that I never go late for any event. In this over forty-three years, I have not been late to a single event. Wow. It takes a certain commitment to do that. No matter what, no matter how I am, what's happening, I will be there. This has been my reputation. So I quickly change in the airport to rush to the venue. And I'm flying an American airline. There's nothing edible on that plane, you know. They're throwing some dog parts to me, which I don't eat. You know what I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  So I end up there famished, super hungry. But no time for anything, so I rush to the venue. And this never happens to me. On that day, I'm speaking in a fine restaurant. So hungry and I go into the restaurant. And already guests have arrived and they're going about, you know. They have their initial whatever. So people come up to me and greeting me and stuff. One man comes up to me and says, "Shalom." I say, "What does that mean?" He says, "This is the highest way of greeting." I say, "See, that's your opinion.

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  But what does it actually mean?" He said, "No, no, this is the highest way of greeting." I said, "All right, what does the word mean?" He said, "It means peace." I said, "See, unless you're born in Middle East, why would peace be the highest way of greeting?" In Southern India, if somebody comes up to me and in the morning they say, "Peace", I'll say, "What's wrong with you?"

• 1:20:09Speaker 04

  I am saying, anything that you deprive yourself of, slowly over a period of time, it grows to divine quality. Today, you ask people in that part of the world, they say God is peace. Ask in America, they say God is love. Somewhere else, you ask something, they will say something else. Whatever is missing in their lives, slowly rises into heaven. Peace, love, joy, blissfulness, everything are human emotions which makes a human being nice and pleasant. We don't know whether God needs it or not. Hello?

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  We don't know whether needs in order to... Today, in California, people are saying, "The core of the universe is love." I said, "Did you go there? Did you go there and see?" "No." "And why the core of the universe needs love?" "You need love to make yourself into sensible human being. If you have love in your heart, you behave sensibly. If you have no love in your heart, you behave abrasively, isn't it?"

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  "That's true."

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  "That's all there is. It's a human emotion. Instead of having it here, you export it to heaven, what do I do?" Here it is needed. Your joy, your peace, your love, your blissfulness is good here. If both of us are blissful, we can banter. If one of us is feeling resentful, we'll do something nasty to each other, inevitably. Yes or no?

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:21:47Speaker 04

  So, all the substance is here. This is the greatest chemical factory. This I realized when I was 25 years of age. Going back to the story. So after 12, when this confusion happened in the school, "Which is me, which is not me?" Then I went through so many things, I don't want to go into all that, many, many things. More experiences than most people will go through at that stage in life.

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  And then I cycled across South India. Then I got onto a motorcycle and crisscrossed India. Then when I hit the borders, I realized I can't go beyond this unless I have a passport. I was nearly twenty and I didn't know there is something called a passport. Those days, we are like that, just wild nonsense. So I came back, got myself a passport, then I realized I need money. Then I started some business. It became successful. I started one more and one more. Everything became successful. So you are young.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  Things that you're doing, everything is working. When everything starts working, people start clapping their hands. Slowly you... I am not arrogant, but a bit cocky. Slowly you start thinking the planets are going around you. You, not around the sun. Because everybody else makes you feel that way. So I am in business, busy, busy, busy. I am thinking today, tomorrow, next month, I am going to stop everything and ride away. I have enough money to go away somewhere. Nowhere, rather, simply ride across the world, which I never did. Because success is a trap, you know?

• 1:23:48Speaker 04

  I'm figuring that out. If you fail, you can drop the damn thing and go. But when you're successful, you put one finger, one more, one more, one more. The whole hand is caught there, you can't leave your hand and go. So I am in a successful trap. Not able to go anywhere. Totally in the office, on the field, working, construction, this, that, endless work. So one afternoon, between two business meetings, when there was a break, I went up a small hill. This is in the heart of the city, Mysore city where I lived.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Success in those days for that small town, not like today, people are talking about trillion dollars, not that kind of success. But for that small town, successful for a 25-year-old, very successful.

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  So I went and just sat in one place. There was a small hill and this is a hill I know very well. As a child, I got lost in the forest in these hills and spent a lot of time there. I trekked there, I camped there. When we grew up, we partied there. Meetings, if you fell in love, you went to Chamundi Hill. If you fell out, you go to Chamundi Hill. If you have nothing to do, you go to Chamundi Hill. You have something to do, you go to Chamundi Hill. If you want to test your motorcycle, you go up Chamundi Hill. Do whatever you want to do, Chamundi Hill is for the youth of that town. Because it's a little exciting road up.

• 1:25:33Speaker 04

  So I went half the way up Chamundi Hill because I am very familiar. There's a particular huge rock. I don't know, we can send you a picture of that rock. Nothing special about the rock, but it became the most eventful place in my life. So I went and sat there. Suddenly, for the first time, I did not know which is me, which is not me. This is me, that's you. I got no problem with you. But this is me, that's you. Suddenly, I did not know which is me, which is not me. The trees around me, the rocks around me, the mountain, everything around me had kind of become me.

• 1:26:15Speaker 04

  See, what is in this body right now? This was somewhere else. Yesterday, it was on your plate. You ate it and now somewhere it's become a part of you, isn't it?

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  What was me was all over the place, like a oneness. I don't want to put a word to it because all these words have been misused, okay? I am saying what was me was just spilled over. What was me was contained here till that moment. But suddenly it had spilled over everywhere, all over the place. I thought this lasted for about maybe fifteen, twenty minutes or so. But when I just shook my head and felt kind of what I thought was normal till then, four and a half hours had passed. Tears. Me and tears were impossible, I lived like this.

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  Tears to a point, my shirt is all wet. And I shake my head and ask. By then, I am a super skeptic. I am skeptical about everything. About religions, about politics, about the financial arrangement in the world, about family, about social structures. I am a super skeptic about everything and I don't believe anything other than what I see. I am in that condition. I did not grow up on spiritual literature or teachings or anything. I grew up on Dostoevsky, Camus, Kafka. You know all those European guys?

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  Who, who, who kind of raised their confusion to a grand height. So I am in that state. When I shake my head and ask my own mind, what's happening to me? Because I am dripping ecstasy. Every cell in the body is feeling like totally blissed out. What is happening to me when I ask? My mind says, maybe you're going off your rocker.

• 1:28:27Speaker 04

  Then I asked my closest friends, "Hey, something is happening to me." "Come on, what did you drink? You popped something, you got some acid? Did you find some mushrooms in the hill?" Then I knew I've hit something for which there is no context around me. Neither my own mind nor anybody around me is able to tell me what it is. But I know I've hit a gold mine, I don't want to miss it. So I started experimenting with it, what is it? If I close my eyes and sit like this, I think it's two minutes. If I open my eyes, seven, eight hours are gone. Wow. Time like, like that.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  So, things started happening to me like, which I would never believe if anybody tells me these things. Because I am not that kind of person who takes anything that's not logically correct. But absolutely insane things which I always hated started happening to me. What kind of things? Memories, which had no connect with my life, then I go there and check it. And the damn thing that I've seen is right there. What I see in my mind is actually there. So like, it's clearer than daylight, but my mind will not accept.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  It struggles and it says no because it doesn't fit into my box of logic. By then, I've started thinking I'm smart, that's the biggest problem. Because you're successful, everybody's clapping their hands. And you started thinking you're smart. From the age of four, you knew you know nothing. But slowly, I've started thinking I'm becoming smart because everybody's clapping their hands.

• 1:30:19Speaker 04

  So suddenly destroyed everything. The man that was there, the young man, was cocky, confident, doing the right thing, successful. That guy just melted away like that in few days completely, gone. Just gone, that man just went away. To a point where my body changed, my gait changed. I didn't try to change my style of walking, my gait changed, my voice changed. My voice had broken when I was just thirteen, but my voice changed. The shape of my eyes changed. And people started seeing, "What's happening to you?"

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  I'm just blissed out for no reason, what can I do? Then I started experimenting, "What is it?" Then I realized, all that I have to do is if I can sit here and keep a little distance between my psychological activity and me, my physiological activity and me. See, right now, you're sitting here, can you see me? Yes, I can see you. If you close your eyes, can you see me? No. But are you there? I'm here. If you close your eyes, are you still there? Yes.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  So right now, are you looking at me, or is your eyes looking at me? Yes. Which one? I'm looking at you. You are looking at me through the window of your eyes, isn't it? If you close the window, you don't see me, if you open the window, you see me. But you are there beyond this body, isn't it? For the first time, I realized, I just, I'm there. I'm there, inside and outside, just like this. What I call as my physical self, I thought, you know, by then, my weight has remained the same since I was nineteen years of age to today, I have the same weight.

• 1:32:29Speaker 04

  It's just those days, most of my weight was here, because due to continuous pressure of gravity, slowly it's moved a little down.

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  Too much gravity, you know? Yeah, I have the same problem. Huh?

• 1:32:50Speaker 04

  I figured out, if I keep a little distance from my psychological process and my physiological process, within moments, I experience a wave of bliss.

• 1:33:04Speaker 04

  I repeatedly experimented in so many ways, and I knew this is all it is. If a little space arises between your psychological process and your physiological process and yourself, little space, then it's just blissed out. Now, that was my experience. Today, in the major laboratories, in some of the top universities in the country and in the world, now they have studied this and now they are saying, people who do the simple practice that I teach them, very simple 21-minute process, with that, they are saying the bliss factor is up by 70%. Wow!

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  B D N F, the brain-derived neurotropic factors, are up 3 times 270%, up. And they are saying the bliss factor is such that it's 23% higher than what normally happens in a sexual orgasm, simply sitting here. So, when I realized this, all these studies and these numbers are by studying people who have done the practice for 6 weeks, 8 weeks like this. They didn't study me.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  So, when I saw that you can be completely blissed out without any reason, my first thought was, who wouldn't want it? I couldn't think of one guy who will not want it. Who wouldn't want it? Simply sitting here, you can be blissed out absolutely, because bliss is not a goal by itself. Only if your body and mind are in utter sense of pleasantness, your genius unfolds. Your physical body and mind works at its best only when they are in a pleasant states of experience. There is substantial scientific and medical evidence for this.

• 1:35:00Speaker 04

  At that time when I realized this, I thought, “This is very simple. Why won’t everybody in the world want to be blissful?” Then I sat down, I was 25. I sat down with the world map and made a plan. In two and a half years’ time, on that day, the world’s population was some 4.82 or something like that. In two and a half years’ time, I will make the entire world blissful. Forty-four years. Seven days of the week, 365 days, I’m on, on, on, 16 to 18 hours a day. Today, people say we have touched over 2 billion people.

• 1:35:44Speaker 04

  That’s not my idea of the world, because that bloody population is multiplying. Say 8.4 billion people. So I will die a failure, this is for certain, but I am a blissful failure. This is my blessing for everybody. You must die a blissful failure. You set up small goals like this, like childish goals, and say, “I did it, I did it.” This is stupid. For human intelligence, you can think of something that’ll take 10 lifetimes to do. If you take two steps today, maybe the next generation will take another two steps. That’s a great point. So, this is very simple. See, this is what I call miracle of mind.

• 1:36:29Speaker 04

  Mind is the greatest miracle we have, but most people have turned it into a misery manufacturing machine. They give it so many reasons. Don’t find excuses. If you are willing, you can turn this into a miracle. Every human being, without exception. Some might have come with more conducive atmospheres. Some might have come with little more difficult atmospheres. So some may need little work, some may need little more work, but everybody can do it.

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• 1:38:28Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome to Hollywood vs. Reality. Did I do it right?

• 1:38:36Shawn Ryan?

  What does he do in the movies? Tell me if I'm doing this wrong, because I don't watch any of his [BLEEP]. A little flick like that, right? Seems pretty cool. It is pretty [BLEEP] cool.

• 1:38:48Shawn Ryan?

  Gotta silence it.

• 1:38:54Shawn Ryan?

  In another lifetime, I did gun reviews for a living. [BLEEP] proprietary [BLEEP] magazines, supposedly the best engineering in the [BLEEP] world. When that breaks, you're [BLEEP].

• 1:39:05Shawn Ryan?

  And now we're bringing him back.

• 1:39:12Shawn Ryan?

  It does look pretty fucking cool. I gotta, I gotta admit that.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  Okay, if we're back from the break and we were talking about blissfulness of the mind.

• 1:39:25Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  And... About the blissful failure that I am. The blissful, yeah, the blissful failure that you are. So let me read you one poem, just to break the monotony of the talk. This was written for the trees in Tennessee.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  You know, we, we have a property which is wild and beautiful. In McMinnville? Close to McMinnville. I almost moved there. It's a... Really? I did. It's over 20,000 acres and we are trying to build a, build a place where people can come and make use of it beyond religion, beyond belief systems, beyond political party nonsense. Just as human beings, they can come, learn something and go, which is good for their well-being. Not against anybody in the universe, just for their well-being. My well-being should not be against your well-being, isn't it? That's the most fundamental thing. Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  This is how nature is made, this is how creation is made. Trees breathe, we breathe what they don't want. They breathe in what we don't want. We throw out carbon dioxide, they want it. They throw out oxygen, we want it. Isn't this a fantastic arrangement? Everything in creation is like this. But we human beings think that my well-being means you must suffer somehow.

• 1:40:57Speaker 04

  Not necessary, there is a way to live. So fundamentally, it's part of the Conscious Planet movement that people live more consciously, understand life as is, not the way we make it up in our head. So this is dedicated to the trees, to the trees in Tennessee. "Oh blessed beings, your green raiment, source of our breath and being, your stoic stance mistaken for lifeless existence. Your immense presence could escape human sense."

• 1:41:33Speaker 04

  This lack of cognizance could mean a disastrous consequence. But for now, you and me, in this intimate embrace, the joy of sharing each other's breath is beyond the joy of having a breathless wench. I can only nourish you with tears of gratitude. When I come back in winter, you will stand naked and gray, giving a taste of what the world would be, without you being gay. You, a permanent resident; me, a wandering vagabond. But can I ever break my breath bond?

• 1:42:16Speaker 04

  Wait till I am done with my deeds. I will lie at your roots to nourish you with my body's juice, to become the sap of your sap, to put back all that is hers into her lap. Till then, you and me, in this romantic romp, lest someone should notice, let us carry it on without any pomp. See, I must tell you this. I, uh... After I finished my business stuff and education was over and business stuff,

• 1:42:59Speaker 04

  and then I started teaching, for almost 12, 15 years, I avoided teaching in my native town because I thought I should keep it as it is, friends, family, stuff. Don't become a teacher in your town. But, you know, the word spread and people came to know and they said, "You have to do something here." So I had to announce a two-day program.

• 1:43:27Speaker 04

  It was at the foothills of that hill that I was talking about. I announced this program, a few thousand people turned up. And I look around, right from my kindergarten, school, friends, teachers from my school, from my college, all sorts of people, friends and enemies and everybody, turned up.

• 1:43:49Speaker 04

  So then I did the program, at the end of the program, my English teacher, she came and hugged me and she said, “Now I understand why you did not let me teach Robert Frost.” I said, “Ma'am, why would I not let you teach Robert Frost? I like Frost. I went to his place in California and I even have a voice recording of his. Why would I not let you teach Robert Frost? Why are you saying this?” She said, “Do you remember?” And she went back. What happened was, till then we were learning only English poets. American poetry she introduced. And she said, “Robert Frost, glowing terms, this and that.”

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  And then she started reading the poem and then she said, “Woods are lovely, dark and deep.” I said, “Stop. A man who calls a living tree a wood, I will not listen to that guy.” She said, “No, no, no, Robert Frost, he is a great poet.” I said, “I don’t care how great he is. A man who calls a living tree a wood, I will not listen to that guy.” Then she changed and she thought it was Edgar Allan Poe and Longfellow.

• 1:45:06Speaker 04

  So trees have been such a thing for me that when I was going to school, I had my bicycle,

• 1:45:15Speaker 04

  I had my lunchbox. If I went up a tree, I just sat there, whole day. The tree swaying like this, swaying like that, swaying like that. Just this thing, just made me so crazy, happy and nice. I never came down. I ate my lunch there, stayed there, when it’s time to go back home, I went back home.

• 1:45:39Speaker 04

  Today, we planted over one hundred and thirty-eight million living trees as a part of a project. Wow. I am saying living trees because, see, nobody plants a tree. We plant a small twig. It takes minimum six to eight years before you call it a tree. So, our trees are all geocoded. The Indian Space Resources Organization provides this service free for us. It geocodes every tree. If any tree goes away, it tells us. The growth of the tree is measured because there is subsidy for the farmer for the growth of the tree. So, one hundred and thirty-eight million trees today are standing

• 1:46:22Speaker 04

  because my association with the trees has always been so strong because we breathe. And I started a whole movement based on this. I, you know, the place where we are today in India, our center, there it's about eight hundred and fifty, about eight hundred and fifty acres or something like that. Here, it's over twenty thousand acres. So, when we came there at the foothills of the mountain, I have a weakness for the mountains. That's another big story. Without mountains, I can't live. So, at the very foothills of the mountain, our backyard is ten thousand square miles of rainforest. Wow.

• 1:47:05Speaker 04

  If you walk a mile in many parts, you can't see the sky. There's, you can't see the sky even if you walk a mile because the canopy is like this, full of wild animals and everything. When we came, this particular hill which is close to us was completely sheared of trees because there was an illegal furniture industry close by. We bought it out and closed it. We had to pay three times the price and buy it out and close down that furniture industry because these guys slowly over a period of time have completely sheared the mountain.

• 1:47:42Speaker 04

  Our temperatures were at least 3 to 4 degrees higher than the city temperatures close by. So, I just came up with a simple idea, how we can replace. Because the land is still rich with lot of undergrowth. So, I took about 4,500 volunteers up for about 3 and a half days. I gave them 2 meals a day and 1 song to sing. And how a unique way of planting seeds, so that they'll all come up over 90% plus sprouted. Today, if you go there, you will see all the trees are about 27, 28 years of age. Wow.

• 1:48:22Speaker 04

  And we planted over 6 point whatever number of million trees in a matter of 3 and a half days. That's why I'm saying you don't have to give up your life. If you have the necessary commitment, everybody can do compensatory work in a very easy manner. And today, our temperatures are minimum 4 degrees less than the city. You can feel it. At that time, the mountain was radiating heat in summers. Today, it's just cooled the whole place. Wow. So, when I was in Tennessee, the Tennessee trees fell in love with them, what to do?

• 1:49:03Speaker 04

  I love that, I love that. Could we talk about karma? Karma? What is it? See, the word karma literally means action. In the simplest connotation of the word, it means action. What does it mean by action? See, life is action. Whether you sit and lays around, or you are in full of action, still there is action going on. As you sit here, this physical action going on, isn't it? In this body? Mental action is going on. Emotional activity is going on. Energetic activity is going on.

• 1:49:46Speaker 04

  So, 4 levels of karma, everybody is doing in wakefulness and sleep. 4 levels of karma are always happening. As an example...

• 1:50:02Speaker 04

  Since the time you woke up today morning, till this moment, how much of these four karmas have you performed consciously? I don't know. You don't know, it's fine, but it's miniscule. Most of it is happening by itself. I would say, for most human beings, it's less than 1%. Way below 1%. Because, everything that is happening is not in consciousness, it's just happening. Your breath is happening. How many moments since morning have you been conscious? If it stops, you will be conscious. If it becomes difficult, you will be conscious.

• 1:50:47Speaker 04

  But if it's working, you're not conscious, isn't it? This is true. So, when 99% of what you're doing is being done unconsciously, life will seem accidental. Suppose you drive from here to somewhere in Nashville, not far away. Just say 20 miles you drive. 99% of the time in this, you slept. You know, where we should pick you up?

• 1:51:21Speaker 04

  Okay? So this is all that's happening. Karmic tragedy is happening because all the karma is happening unconsciously. If you bring 2% to 5% into your consciousness, people will think you're a superman. Because suddenly, you look like that.

• 1:51:45Speaker 04

  So karma means action. Whose action? My action. So right now, the way I'm running my thought, the way I'm running my emotion, my energy and my body, determines the quality of my experience and life, isn't it? It may not determine the nature of the world. To some extent it does, but not 100%. Nobody can determine the situation 100%.

• 1:52:13Speaker 04

  Only to some extent, we affect it. But what is happening within in the experience of this person or this human being is entirely caused by me. But if ninety-nine percent is happening unconsciously, it looks like somebody is doing it to me. If you were driving and you slept, it looks like suddenly things happened. Nothing happened, you slept? Because it's happening unconsciously. Unconscious for a moment, and things happened, isn't it? So, most of the time, we are unconscious. So, things are happening in ways that we can't figure. So, karma means action. Action should be conscious, but most of it is unconscious.

• 1:52:57Speaker 04

  So, everything that we can bring into consciousness, if we bring, suddenly, you will determine the nature of your experience. See, if you can think of what you want right now, is everything fine with you? No. If you can think of only the way you want, is everything fine with you? Yes. That's all I'm saying. If you can feel the way you want, is everything great with you? Yes. If your energy functions the way you want, is your life doing fantastic? I believe so. Only thing is, you can't make the world happen the way you want it. To some extent, we can push it. But you can't make it happen totally your way.

• 1:53:42Speaker 04

  World will never happen your way, hundred percent, ever. And I'm glad it is so. Because if everything happened your way, where the hell do I go? Little bit your way, little bit my way, little bit somebody else's way, that's the nature of the world, and it's fine. But this one should happen my way, isn't it? I see what you're saying. If this one happens my way, the quality of my life is determined. Like now, the world is making sure that I'm a failure. But because this one happens my way, I'm a blissful failure.

• 1:54:26Speaker 04

  If this one did not happen my way, failure means misery, isn't it? Because one thing that a man seeks is success in every action. The purpose of every action is success, isn't it? Whatever the nature of the action. Whether you are going out there to save your country, or you're doing yoga, or you're a thief, the purpose of every action is success, isn't it? Yes. So, right now, my actions are a failure. I want 8.4 billion people, but I'm getting only two. Failure. But, what happens here because I decide,

• 1:55:10Speaker 04

  I make sure this is a blissful failure. But normally, if things don't happen your way, you become miserable. This essentially means the external situations determine the nature of your experience. Or in other words, you do not know the distinction between what is psychological and what is existentially true. Your psychological situation is your drama. It's got nothing to do with reality. You can sit here and you think you're in Afghanistan. You can sit here and you can think you're in Timbuktu. You can sit here and you can think you're in top of Mount Everest. But you're sitting only here. Yes?

• 1:55:55Speaker 04

  Yes. In your mind, you can sit on top of Everest and feel cold also if you want. In yoga, we say, this is a classic example. If I take a piece of rope and throw it at you and say snake, now, everything that a snake would do to you will happen to you. Blood pressure will go up, your heart will palpate, somebody may even have a heart attack and die. Everything will happen, but it's just a rope. Only thing is this, the rope cannot bite you, isn't it? Yeah. So the psychological reality and the existential realities are two different things. People have lost the distinction between the two.

• 1:56:38Speaker 04

  They don't understand, "This is my drama, I need to direct it this my way." They're letting the world direct their psychology. No, if you leave it to the world, world is crazy, it'll never happen your way. When I say crazy, I'm not saying it's wrong. All I'm saying is, "It'll never happen your way," isn't it? Even if you're just two people at home, hundred percent, it'll never happen your way. Fifty-one percent your way, you're the boss. You try more, nobody will be around you.

• 1:57:15Speaker 03

  Yes or no?

• 1:57:16Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  So do you, do you believe that what you put into the world will come back to you?

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  As if. You pump good.

• 1:57:30Speaker 04

  Oh, you're looking at it like that.

• 1:57:33Speaker 03

  If you pump bad evil into the world.

• 1:57:36Speaker 04

  See, if you take a stone, if you take a stone and throw it there, will it bounce back and hit your head?

• 1:57:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:57:45Speaker 04

  No, but you may trip on it if you're not careful. But if you throw it up, will it come and hit your head? Yes, most probably.

• 1:57:56Speaker 04

  This is true with everything, isn't it?

• 1:58:00Speaker 04

  If you put it there, it is not going to bounce back and hit you, unless you try a golf ball. I, I heard you have a terror of the golf balls.

• 1:58:14Speaker 04

  If you throw a golf ball like this on a hard floor, it may come and hit back at you. But if you throw it up, right above your head, ah, yes, it's going to land on your head. Depending on the strength of your throw, it may just put a small hole, or it may go right through.

• 1:58:35Speaker 04

  So karma is just action.

• 1:58:39Speaker 04

  It will determine the nature of your experience.

• 1:58:43Speaker 04

  It will not determine everything in the world. But sometimes it does, depending on the type of action. But the most important thing is karma is not determined. Karma is not a question of reward and punishment system. Nobody is sitting there and giving you rewards and punishments. It's just that the residual memory is there within you. It will alter your reality. See, right now, I did something very wonderful yesterday. Now that residual memory is there within me. Now suppose you do something. See, you put something in this room which makes me sneeze. Well, I'm okay with you.

• 1:59:31Speaker 04

  But if I do something yesterday, which is making me feel nasty, the residual memory is there in me. Slightest irritation, I will flare up.

• 1:59:44Speaker 04

  How would you rid yourself of those memories? You don't have to rid yourself. You just need to understand that they don't determine who you are. Your current karma is what determines who you are.

• 2:00:02Speaker 04

  It is trying to tell this, the people are bumbling into this thing. Be in the moment, you understand? Essentially, yesterday's karma is there for everybody. Good, bad, ugly things we might have done knowingly or unknowingly. But right now, this moment's karma is in your hands, isn't it? Yes. How you think, how you feel, how you conduct yourself, is it in your hands? Yes. If you are conscious, if you get little excited, it may go out of your hand.

• 2:00:36Speaker 04

  This is happening to people all the time. Otherwise, why are people do things and they regret later? Because at that moment, they are not conscious enough to determine what to do and what not to do. I am not only talking in terms of action. Even what to think, what not to think, what, how to feel, how not to feel. Say, right now, if I say something abusive to you, immediately, in your mind, maybe 10 times more abuse will come. Even you may not say it, but it came. The residual memory of that stays. But if you are determining the nature of your experience, it's like this.

• 2:01:17Speaker 04

  A yogi is going to conduct something with the people. On the way, the village people stopped and abused him in every possible way. He heard everything very attentively, not ignoring. Very consciously attentively, he heard. They went on. Then he said, "See, I, 10 o'clock, I have a meeting. I'll finish that. On the way, I'll come back this way. You can tell me more when I come back. These people are those kind. They said 10 things, if he says one thing, they will beat him."

• 2:02:00Speaker 04

  But he says, "I will finish my work and come back. You can tell me more things." What do you do with this man? Now he is like this not because he is a coward. He is like this because he has made up his mind that nobody hijacks his life. Nobody hijacks his experience of life. "Ah, it's okay, you say, you're saying what you know best. If you are abusing me, what are you talking? Are you talking about me? You're talking what best you know, isn't it?" Yes or no? Yes. If abuse is coming out of you, you're not talking about me. You're talking what is the best things you know.

• 2:02:44Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, if that's the best things you know, it's fine. You own... This becomes my karma only if I react to it. If I react to it, now your abuse will determine my nature of experience. If I do not react to it, if I consciously look at it, he's saying all these ten things, how much of it is true with me, how much is not, then I will respond to it consciously as I should. This is not pacifism. You know, this is not about being pacifist. This is responding intelligently and consciously. This is not about reacting, because the moment I react to you,

• 2:03:27Speaker 04

  I have become your slave, isn't it? You determine the nature of my experience. Is that slavery or not? It is. Unfortunately, everybody's in that, isn't it? I believe, yes. People can determine whether you're peaceful or not. People can determine whether you're happy or not. This is slavery. People ask me, "Sadhguru, how is it so much activity you're doing? All kinds of projects, all kinds of stuff, political things, this, that, everything. How are you always like this?" I said, "I have never given anybody that freedom. They can make me happy or unhappy.

• 2:04:10Speaker 04

  They can make me peaceful or be in turmoil. I decide those things. So it's okay with me." Not that everybody's perfect around me, no. They do stupid things. Many things. When you are so widely active around the world, not everybody is doing perfect things with you. There are lots of idiotic things. But I don’t let someone else decide what is my experience of life. Maybe the work may happen well if all of them go well, may not happen so well if all of them don’t go well, but they will never decide my experience of life.

• 2:04:54Speaker 04

  I have taken charge of that. Every human being should take charge of that because... See, if you are feeling wonderful right now, you are feeling blissed out like me, will you do something nasty to me? No. So joy is an insurance, isn’t it? You are feeling nasty right now. Without any reason, you may do some nasty things to me, isn’t it? True. Because human beings are only sharing their experience. If there is joy, they share joy. If there is misery, they share misery. If there is resentment, they share resentment. So the most important responsibility that you have

• 2:05:35Speaker 04

  is you keep this life pleasant and well. If pleasantness happens, then one more requirement comes. You want to be profound. In search of profoundness, how people seek sexuality, bottles... No, what’s in the bottle? They seek drink, whatever, alcohol, drugs, this, that. Somebody seeks God, somebody goes to the temple, somebody meditates, somebody will do yoga. All this why? In search of pleasantness and profoundness. Somebody says, “All this will not work, I will go to heaven.” Why?

• 2:06:18Speaker 04

  Because advertisements have always said, “Heaven is a very pleasant place.” Right from your childhood, if I told you, “God lives in heaven, but it’s a horrendous place.” Do you want to go there? No. You’ll say, “I’ll pray from here only, let him be there.” But they advertise that it’s a pleasant place. So all I am saying is, whether you want to drink, or you want to drug, or you want to meditate, or you want to do yoga, or you want to go to heaven, essentially you are in search of pleasantness and profoundness. But human experience is caused from within, is that a fact? Yes.

• 2:07:02Speaker 04

  Neither pain or pleasure ever came from outside. Stimuli may come from outside. Pain came from inside, pleasure came from inside, isn't it? Yes. Joy came from inside, misery came from inside. Stimuli may come from outside. Agony and ecstasy also came from inside, isn't it? All human experience comes from within you. What is coming from within you? If that doesn't come the way you want, isn't that a major derailment of life? Yes. That's what we need to fix. But we are trying to fix the world all the time. No, world is not the problem. Yes, some things need to change. We will work on that.

• 2:07:46Speaker 04

  But without you and me being well, how will the world be well? It's just a joke.

• 2:07:55Speaker 04

  It's a damn good point.

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• 2:09:14Speaker 04

  What helps us fix ourselves? Is it yoga? What? I'm sorry? Yoga? What is... what are some things? See, I am afraid to use the word yoga in United States. Oh, okay. Because people think yoga means roll up a mat, keep it under your armpit, and wear Lululemon pants and go to that fancy place and twist and turn and look like a leftover noodle. That is not... I mean, I'm not saying that's not yoga at all, but I'm saying that's a very rudimentary understanding of yoga. The word yoga means union. Yoga means union. What needs to be united here?

• 2:09:59Speaker 04

  We already went through this. Your breath, your exhalation and pre-exhalation, inhalation, all happening together. Suppose you sat here and actually experienced it. This is what I did with people. Because a UN agency came and said, the southernmost... Are you familiar with India? A little bit. Been there? Yes. Which part? Mumbai. Okay. Further south is Tamil Nadu. Chennai, you've heard of Chennai? No. Bangalore? Yes. Okay. So further south, the southernmost state in the country is called Tamil Nadu,

• 2:10:44Speaker 04

  which is where our center is right now. I am from close to Bangalore, a city called Mysore, but our center is in Tamil Nadu, which is the southernmost tip of India. This whole aspect of what we call as yoga, I was just looking at this and one day, some UN experts came to Tamil Nadu.

• 2:11:09Speaker 04

  I got to meet them and they said, in the next, this is in late nineties, not even late nineties, mid nineties, they said, by 2025, sixty percent of Tamil Nadu will become a desert. I said, what? It's one of the richest agricultural states, among the richest. We have agricultural history of over 12,000 years. Same land we've been dealing, four crops in a year we take, rich lands. And these guys are saying, in 25, 30 years, you will become a desert, sixty percent. As I don't believe anybody's anything, I want to see myself.

• 2:11:53Speaker 04

  So I just drove across Tamil Nadu, crisscrossed. And then I saw what they were saying was not right, that it'll happen much sooner. Because three major rivers had gone dry, dozens and dozens of tributaries have gone dry completely, people are taking sand home, they've built homes on the riverbeds. And when you go and test the soil, it's all becoming sand, soil is becoming sand. And I go to the coastal regions and see, people have emptied the whole villages and

• 2:12:35Speaker 04

  gone somewhere, because the marine ingress is happening. That is, the marine water is, has come into wells and sweet water has turned salty, so people have left and gone elsewhere, to cities. I thought, wow, it's not going to go till 2025. Then I checked, the national aspiration in India is, thirty-three percent green cover should be there in every state. But Tamil Nadu had sixteen point five percent. So I made a simple barefoot calculation, this many thousand square kilometers and of land, so how many trees you have to plant to make it thirty-three percent?

• 2:13:16Speaker 04

  So I came up with a number, hundred and fourteen million trees, if you plant, in the next six years' time, in the next twelve to fifteen years' time, you will have thirty-three percent green cover, that means we would have prevented this desertification.

• 2:13:33Speaker 04

  But how to plant? So I small, call a small group of people and say, hey, we need to plant 114 million trees. They roll their eyeballs. Sadhguru, do you know what is 114 million? How many zeros in that? How can anybody plant 114 million trees? Then I asked, what's the population? 62 million. Said, if all of us plant one tree today, take care it for two years and plant one more, we got the number. Just that we don't do it, that's all our problem is. So I got a few thousand people. I know they won't get the point if I just say, around 11:30 I met them.

• 2:14:15Speaker 04

  All Tamil people, you know, small town, rural people, everything. Naturally, they get washed up and put fresh clothes and silk saris and everything, women, children, everybody came and sat. The meeting is in open place where it's hot. 11 o'clock sun. They're all sitting and sweating. I came and I also sat there in the sun. I'm simply gossiping with them, letting them burn down a little bit. After they, initially they are laughing, happy, I'm telling them so many things. Then slowly they're wilting away, the sun. They're looking at me like this.

• 2:14:59Speaker 04

  What's wrong with Sadhguru? They're just making us sit. Close by, there are huge rain trees, about five trees, which each tree covers more than three-fourths of an acre. That kind of massive trees. They are right there, but I'm sitting in the sun. They are also sitting in the sun, wilting away. They're looking at me, something, he's lost it or something. I said, I made him sit there for about one and a half hours to one hour 45 minutes. When I saw everybody was like wilting away, I said, come. And we walked and went and sat under the tree.

• 2:15:37Speaker 04

  You know, a tree is such a fantastic thing. If you're really burned down in the sun, you go under the tree, ha! Fresh life comes into you. I said, "Is this nice?" "Yes, very nice." I said, "This is all we need to do." And I made them sit down and do a certain kind of meditative process, where I made them experience, what you exhale, this tree is inhaling. What the tree exhales, you are inhaling. They sat like this, breathing, breathing, breathing. Now, you can't stop them from planting trees.

• 2:16:11Speaker 04

  Because suddenly, you realize one half of your lungs is hanging out there. This is yoga, that you realize there is a union. So if this happens... How can this happen? Can we do a little experiment with you? Yeah. And cross your legs.

• 2:16:34Speaker 04

  See, with eyes closed, hold your palms like this. And for about two minutes...

• 2:16:43Speaker 04

  Brisk. Eyes closed.

• 2:17:05Speaker 04

  Now, hold the palms about four inches away from each other. Eyes closed.

• 2:17:19Speaker 04

  You notice something happening between your hands? Feels like opposite magnets. Hmm? Feels like magnets. Whatever, some sensation beyond your physical body, right? Yeah? Yes. So, there is a sensation beyond your body, just because of brisk action. But, please, you can open your eyes. You have definitely, because you have been in those situations, you have seen people losing limbs. Unfortunately, either because of road accidents or in the battles and wars. Unfortunately, these things happen. Somebody lost a limb.

• 2:18:04Speaker 04

  The leg may be gone, but they still have sensations of a non-existent leg. Yes? Yes, I do. It’s called the phantom leg. That means, beyond the physical body, there is a sensory body. Your sensation is the outermost part of who you are, isn’t it? See, right now, we’ll do a simple experiment. Just touch this and see, your right hand touch your left hand. Is that you? Yes. Yes. Touch this furniture and see. Is that you? No. How do you know? Because I can’t feel. Here, there is sensation; here, there is no sensation.

• 2:18:48Speaker 04

  So, what is the definition of yourself? Whatever is within your sensation, boundaries of your sensation, is you. Whatever is outside the boundaries of your sensation is not you, isn’t it? Correct. Right now, this bottle of water, it’s sitting there. Is that me? No. If I drink it, does it become me? Yes. What happened? All I did was, what was in the bottle, I put it into the boundaries of my sensation. Suddenly, it’s me, isn’t it? Hmm. Suddenly, everything that we have eaten and consumed became us because it came into the boundaries of our sensation. So, what is within the boundaries of sensation is you;

• 2:19:32Speaker 04

  what is outside the boundaries of sensation is not you. That’s the fundamental definition of your experience of myself. Let us say, let us say, you are 100 kilograms. And you came to me, I made you 75 kilograms. I can do that to anybody, without any more drugs or medicine. So, I made you 75 kilograms. Will you go about searching, “Where is my 20 kilograms, 25 kilograms of Sean?” No, it’s not you anymore, because it went outside the boundaries of sensation. This is the fundamental definition of your experience of yourself. What is within the boundaries of sensation is you;

• 2:20:17Speaker 04

  what is outside the boundaries of sensation is not you.

• 2:20:22Speaker 04

  Now, suppose I taught you a simple way, where you can make the boundaries of your sensation as large as Tennessee. Let's not go that far, I made it as large as this room, let's say. Now, I am also in the boundary of your sensation. Now you experience me as a part of yourself, you experience everything animate, inanimate as a part of yourself. Once you experience me and everything around you as a part of yourself, do I have to teach you, thou shall not kill, thou shall not do this, thou shall not do that? Now, what is part of you? You anyway do your best, isn't it?

• 2:21:07Speaker 04

  Uh huh. This is yoga. Yoga means you experienced beyond your physical limitations, that what I thought was myself, suddenly I realized what is me is not just this, one half of my lungs is hanging out on the tree, this, this, this, everything, because I expanded the boundaries of my sensation, or I opened it in such a way that entire cosmos is a part of me, then we say you're a yogi. If you experience whole creation as a part of yourself, then we say you're a yogi, otherwise you're a yoga practitioner. You twist and turn, you don't become a yogi. Anyone who twists and turns, they call themselves yogis.

• 2:21:52Speaker 04

  No, no, no, you must know some sense of union. You might not have heard the word yoga in your life, but you sat there and felt one with everything, you are a yogi, you understand? This is not because of a certain practice. If you didn't have enough sense, we'll teach you practice. Otherwise, if you have enough sense, that if you're not too identified with this and that, that you've grown up with, if you simply open your eyes and look at the world, you will be one with everything. Just human intelligence is capable of this. This is why we call you a being, not a creature.

• 2:22:35Speaker 04

  That you should know how to be.

• 2:22:38Speaker 03

  Makes sense. It sounds like you're saying that a lot of problems with humanity come from, maybe all problems with humanity come from an identity crisis. Am I wrong?

• 2:22:50Speaker 04

  Let me read this for you. This is another poem.

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:22:53Speaker 04

  Sol Mirgun, that means "attributeless." "As there is nothing I truly call as mine, neither this body nor any body, neither this world nor the other, neither friends nor foes belong. No fear of losing, no anticipation of gain. Here I am a transference without substance, a presence without persona, a being without self. Hence, activity has become stillness. The din of the world, my silence. The very cosmos, my being." This is yoga.

• 2:23:43Speaker 03

  The very cosmos, my being.

• 2:23:45Speaker 04

  Yep. This is yoga. That means you're one with everything in your experience. Not as an ideology, not as an intellectual thought, but a living experience. Because your living experience is determined by where you hold your sensory body.

• 2:24:02Speaker 03

  So how do you know when you've achieved that?

• 2:24:04Speaker 04

  It's not an achievement.

• 2:24:08Speaker 04

  It's a homecoming.

• 2:24:13Speaker 04

  Even physically, if we look at it, the soil that you're walking upon and the body that you carry as mine are the same thing, isn't it?

• 2:24:22Speaker 04

  Will we get it now and transform ourselves? Or one day, shall we get it from the maggots and become good men or... This is a choice we have.

• 2:24:35Speaker 04

  If we get it now, our life could transform. We could walk more, with much more sensitivity on this planet. Otherwise, we still make good men or...

• 2:24:50Speaker 04

  I'm saying it's not necessarily wasted.

• 2:24:55Speaker 03

  I guess what I'm asking is, is how would you, how would somebody know that they have, that they have become one with everything?

• 2:25:05Speaker 04

  See, even if you don't have eyes, sun comes up, you know, isn't it? It tells you in so many ways. There is no question of missing it.

• 2:25:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:25:15Speaker 04

  But it's not an achievement. It's just that, let me... Look, see, right now, we are sitting here. Suppose this was not a building, we were sitting outside in the, in the land. If we simply sat here, sat there, sat there, sat there, sat there, we would become part of the earth, isn't it? So, did you achieve something, becoming part of the earth or soil?

• 2:25:45Speaker 03

  It just happened.

• 2:25:47Speaker 04

  That's where you came from, that's where you went back. Homecoming, it is.

• 2:25:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:25:52Speaker 04

  Not a, you reach somewhere, no. You just fell back into the lap of creation as you should be. Whether you like it or not, that's where you are anyway. So, this is why we say, this is a realization. This is not an achievement, this is not an attainment. A realization means what? Something was always here, but you didn't see it. Today, you saw it. You realized, means that. That you were stupid, what was hanging right in front of your eyes, you did not see. Today, you saw. This doesn't mean you achieved something. You realized.

• 2:26:32Speaker 03

  I want to ask something, and maybe you know what I'm talking about, maybe, maybe you don't. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm crazy. But I have been trying some, I wouldn't necessarily call it meditation, but maybe... I'm trying to experience some type of a calmness, some type of a peace. And...

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  So as you say, we live, this isn't where I live, but we're out in the woods. I also live out in the woods. And.

• 2:27:08Speaker 03

  Why do you want to South America, is it? No.

• 2:27:12Speaker 03

  But I've actually never even talked about this. I've never told anybody this because it sounds probably stupid. But I really started paying attention to depth perception.

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  And trying to view the world in more of a, a three dimensional.

• 2:27:37Speaker 03

  I don't know, experience, you know, so. Well, this is three dimensional, isn't it? Say that again? The world is already three dimensional, isn't it? Yes, but sometimes I don't see it that way. Sometimes when I'm not paying attention, when I'm in a rush, when I'm thinking about other things. I don't, it, yes, it's three dimensional, it is. But it appears maybe two dimensional, one dimensional. How do you see the moon? Most people see it as a plate.

• 2:28:07Speaker 03

  That's kind of what I'm getting at. And so what I really pay attention to are the trees, the branches, the leaves. How far apart they are from each other, the depth procession, perception in between trees, then the, the depth procession, perception in between the trees and me.

• 2:28:26Speaker 03

  And it, it's also like I lose a sense of self, not completely, but

• 2:28:34Speaker 03

  maybe seventy-five percent of the way there. And I've only able to achieve, to achieve, uh, losing my sense of self through uh, certain psychedelics, like experiencing an ego death. But for whatever reason, and this is kind of a new, uh, new thing for me that I've discovered is when I, when I really pay attention to my depth perception and the distance in between objects and nature and particularly.

• 2:29:04Speaker 03

  It brings a, well, I already described it. Do you know what I'm talking about? Mm hmm. I must tell you this.

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  For me, if I look at anything, if I see you.

• 2:29:20Speaker 03

  I don't see.

• 2:29:24Speaker 04

  Initially, when I see you, the first thing I see is the geometry of your body. Similarly, if I see a tree, if I see anything, first thing I see is the geometry of what it is. For me, the deepest experience is always of the physical stuff is always geometry. I drive it... I drive into my garage at thirty-five, forty kilometers per hour, and then stop two inches away from the wall. Very important for me. People say, "Sadhguru, you come in so fast. Suppose you can't break in time, you will be in the bedroom." I said, "That day, I'll stop driving."

• 2:30:08Speaker 04

  Because in my mind, it's just the whole shape and size of the garage, how it is, everything is figured out. I don't think I'll make a mistake unless I've lost my faculties. Because I don't hit any bottles, I don't lose my faculties. They're full on. Why I'm saying this is... What you're saying is important. In this engineering book, there is a simple method I've given people. I said, "Just watch. Make the tap drip like one drop every few seconds kind of thing. Make it drip like that.

• 2:30:50Speaker 04

  Just watch how it takes shape, how it drops, how it splashes on the ground and spreads. Just watch, simply watch. What will I get? Nothing." Because the greatest thing in human experience or human faculty is attention, conscious attention. If you pay conscious attention to the simplest things, fantastic things will happen. It's not about the phenomena that you're watching. It's not about the water drops. It's not about the breath. It's not about the trees. It's not about the pers... You know, the structure of the trees. It is the keenness of attention.

• 2:31:35Speaker 04

  If you develop that keenness of attention, if there is sufficient attention, every door in the universe has to open to you.

• 2:31:46Speaker 04

  It's that attention which is missing. Today, people are carrying their lack of attention as a qualification. I have attention deficiency is a qualification. This happened. You heard of Andrew Carnegie? Andrew Carnegie? Hmm. The Carnegie guy who became very successful in late 1900s and early 20th century. Those days, he started making lot of money. More money than anybody else was making for those times. Not like today, everybody's talking trillion dollars, not that kind. But big money.

• 2:32:26Speaker 04

  So, US government became suspicious that he's doing something hanky panky. How is he making so much money? So, they had a investigation by the congressman. They checked everything. Everything was proper, nothing is not doing any crime. Then they asked, "How do you make so much money?" He said, "See, I can keep my mind absolutely focused on something for five minutes at a stretch. Can any of you do that?" They thought this is a joke. Why, what makes you think we cannot focus on five minutes? We can do it. He set up an experiment. Most people could not hold it for 10 seconds.

• 2:33:08Speaker 04

  Then he said, "You guys should not be running United States." Because it's in the attention. In yoga, we call this prajna. That means you hold your attention in such a way, slowly you become conscious. If you hold your attention on something, it doesn't matter what. You understand? Doesn't matter what. You can hold it on this microphone, you can hold it on that bottle, you can just stare at nothing. But attention, conscious attention. If you stay that way, slowly the very cosmos will open up for you because your consciousness opened up.

• 2:33:51Speaker 04

  Once your consciousness opened up, see, the boundary of your body is framed by your memory. See, why that's your body, this is my body is, this is one kind of memory, that's another kind of memory, isn't it? Yes. In terms of genetics, this, that, that, whatever, eight different forms of memory. That's one body of memory, this is another body of memory.

• 2:34:15Speaker 04

  If I touch something within myself, which doesn't have any memory, but which is conscious, now what happens? Who I am becomes boof, everything. Well, one simple way of saying that is it's yoga, but it's also prajna. That means you became conscious, fully conscious. See, how conscious one is, is a question of varying degrees from person to person, isn't it? You woke up in the morning. When you were sleeping, you were unconscious, kind of. Still you're conscious. Little one poke, you'll wake up. But reasonably unconscious. You woke up, little goggy.

• 2:35:00Speaker 04

  You're somewhat conscious. After some time later, you're much more conscious. Then you got up and went out in the sunlight. You're really much more conscious. So I'm saying consciousness has different voltages to it. So essentially, it's this. People are trying to be conscious. Don't do that. What is needed is a higher voltage. You know, there is a dimmer on the light. What is it? You're controlling the voltage. If you... Let's say there are two lights lighting us up. Now, one I switched off. You've disappeared, in my perception. You're still very much there. But I switched off that light.

• 2:35:45Speaker 04

  Light is only upon me. I think only I am sitting in the room. But I turned on that light. Suddenly, you are there, isn't it? You're always there. But in my perception, only now you are there. I turned up the light much more. Now so many things are there in this room. This is just like that. Don't try to be conscious. Just turn up the voltage. In yoga, there are many, many systems, different systems for different people. How to turn up your voltage? You turn up your voltage, naturally you will see life in much more vivid clarity.

• 2:36:28Speaker 04

  Right now, you're trying to do it the other way around. You're trying to do that, watch it, and slowly voltage may go up. It's possible, but it's a more difficult path. But if you turn up the voltage, it simply happens.

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• 2:38:26Speaker 03

  How can you control the voltage?

• 2:38:31Speaker 04

  You can turn it up.

• 2:38:33Speaker 03

  How?

• 2:38:36Speaker 04

  See, you've been in the army. Sometimes you're a little like this. Something needed, don't you turn up your voltage?

• 2:38:43Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:44Speaker 04

  Yes or no?

• 2:38:44Speaker 03

  It's adrenaline.

• 2:38:45Speaker 04

  You're talking, suddenly talking about chemistry. Now we will have to talk about chemistry.

• 2:38:49Speaker 03

  (laughing) Okay.

• 2:38:51Speaker 04

  Because you must understand,

• 2:38:55Speaker 04

  the chemistry for painful experiences and the chemistry for pleasureful experiences, the fundamental chemistry is same. The chemistry for fearful experiences, chemistry for exciting experiences, fundamental chemistry is same. It's the context of your framework of your mind which makes this pleasure or pain, stress or excitement, agony or ecstasy, this is determined not by the chemistry. Chemistry is just the same. It pitches up. When it pitches up, if you are in the right framework of mind, then this becomes pleasure. If in the wrong framework of mind, it becomes pain.

• 2:39:39Speaker 04

  Same things, when they are done to people, sometimes it causes pleasure. Your friend came and tickled you. It feels like pleasure. Somebody that you don't like came and tickled you.

• 2:39:55Speaker 04

  Unpleasant, isn't it?

• 2:39:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:58Speaker 04

  Because it's the frame of your context. So it's the context that you need to change, not the content of your life. Content doesn't decide the quality of your life. It's the context. So changing that context is the most important thing. Every human experience has a chemical basis. What you call a space has one chemistry, misery has another chemistry, joy has another chemistry. All these have chemical basis to it. Why are we creating wrong chemistry? We are creating wrong chemistry because we are doing so many things unconsciously. We can do experiments, you can do it by yourself also. See, if you just hold your hands like this...

• 2:40:45Speaker 04

  Hold it like this comfortably. Place it on your thighs. Sit with your spine reasonably erect, otherwise you cannot notice it.

• 2:41:02Speaker 04

  I will tell you what happens. We could make it like an experiment, but I'll tell you, you just do it and see. If you hold it like this and take a deep inhalation and exhalation, you will see maximum expansion and contraction happens in the lower lobe of the lung.

• 2:41:19Speaker 04

  If you just turn this around and breathe, you will see it'll happen more in the middle and upper lobe, less in the lower lobe. Just try that and see.

• 2:41:32Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Is it so? Mm-hmm. So just if you turn your hands like this, the very way you breathe is changing.

• 2:41:43Speaker 04

  It's not just the breath. The very way your life energies function is altering itself just because you turn your hands like this. How many times in a day are you doing this? A lot. I see you are sitting quite still compared to a lot of people. Okay? Maybe it's your training and needing to be in a certain way. But today, young people are whatever they talk, they're talking like this. So you do this, this, this, this. And you expect yourself to be peaceful? All the best.

• 2:42:19Speaker 04

  The nature of this world is such. Unless you do the right things, right things will not happen to you. It's as simple as that. The moment I say this, people will say, "I did the right things." But you know what that guy did? Arre, that's what is wrong with you. What that guy did is determining who you are. That's the wrong thing you're doing, isn't it? Yes, it is.

• 2:42:43Speaker 04

  Unless you do the right things, right things will not happen here.

• 2:42:49Speaker 04

  So yoga is the science of understanding how to hold your body, how to breathe, how to sit, how to do everything, so that you move into a higher possibility, that nobody determines what happens here except you. What happens in the world, everybody has a share.

• 2:43:07Speaker 03

  You know, we talked a lot about consciousness.

• 2:43:11Speaker 03

  What do you think happens when we die?

• 2:43:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:43:14Speaker 03

  What do you think happens?

• 2:43:15Speaker 04

  (Laughs) The usual thing I would tell people is, you can know certain things only by experience. Are you ready? Will you know? (Laughs) See, the simple thing is this. The question that you're asking is,

• 2:43:35Speaker 04

  beyond this body, what? Right?

• 2:43:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:43:40Speaker 04

  But why are you asking that question in the context of when you lose the body? When you have the body, why don't you look? Beyond this body, what? Because right now, all your faculties are in place, your intelligence is in place. This is the time to look at it, isn't it?

• 2:43:58Speaker 04

  If I tell you what happens after death, I will tell you after death, your soul will come out and go through this microphone, this is a tube, it will go up and go there. I'm telling a ridiculous story. But if I tell you a nicely packaged story, maybe you will believe me. Or maybe you will disbelieve me. Only two choices you have. Yes? If I talk about something that is not in your experience, what is your choice? Believe me or disbelieve me? If you believe me, you have a nice fairy tale to tell. If you disbelieve me, you have a nasty story to tell about me. Both will not get you any closer to the truth

• 2:44:43Speaker 04

  than the way you are right now, isn't it? So the important thing is this. Is it true that you gathered this body over a period of time?

• 2:44:54Speaker 03

  Yes, that's true.

• 2:44:56Speaker 04

  Is it true that you gathered this mind also over a period of time?

• 2:44:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:45:00Speaker 04

  The content.

• 2:45:01Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:45:02Speaker 04

  The content of this body and the content of this mind, you gathered slowly over a period of time. Whatever you gather...

• 2:45:11Speaker 04

  You can say, "It belongs to me."

• 2:45:15Speaker 04

  You cannot say, "It's me," isn't it?

• 2:45:22Speaker 04

  I don't know. If I say, "This is my cup." All right? Maybe? Mm-hmm. One day, they'll take it away.

• 2:45:34Speaker 04

  Hello? Yeah. One day, anyway, we'll leave it and go. Mm-hmm. But, I'm stupid. I say, "This is my cup." All right, you'll bear with me.

• 2:45:45Speaker 04

  But if I say, "This is me," then you know I am a case.

• 2:45:50Speaker 04

  This you're doing every day. Food appears on your plate, and you say, "This is my food." You eat it, and then you say, "It's me." Crazy or no? No. Why? Because, I mean, if you consume something, it absorbs into you. All right. But what you're carrying here is something that you gathered from the earth, isn't it? Yes. And one day, you'll give it back. Mm-hmm. So, it's yours for now, but not you.

• 2:46:22Speaker 04

  Hello? Yeah, okay. So, your body belongs to you, I appreciate that, for now. One day, maggots will dispute that. I will not start that now. It belongs to you, it's fine with me. Your mind or the content of your mind belongs to you, fine with me. But what belongs to you is not you. The moment I say, "My body," that means there is me and my body separately, isn't it? My cup, my body, my hand, my leg.

• 2:46:55Speaker 04

  Yes or no, dears? So, beyond this, there is you, which has not come into experience. So, you want to explore that after you lose the body? After you lose the body, you would have lost all your faculties. How the hell will you explore that? This is the time, isn't it? Mm-hmm.

• 2:47:16Speaker 04

  Bye-bye, sons.

• 2:47:18Speaker 04

  Right now, I asked you a simple question. If you close your eyes, are you still there? See, you're there. Eyes closed, you can't see the world, but you're still there, isn't it?

• 2:47:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:47:29Speaker 04

  So if you're still there, should you not look at? What is this relationship between you and your body that's made you feel like this? See, if you really love somebody, you feel like they're part of you. Wonderful. But you know they're not you. That is also wonderful. With your body, you don't know that, that is a problem.

• 2:47:57Speaker 03

  So what do you consider you?

• 2:48:01Speaker 04

  What do you mean, what do I consider me?

• 2:48:02Speaker 03

  I mean, what do you consider to be you? If your experiences are not you, what is you? What are you comprised of?

• 2:48:13Speaker 04

  I just read a poem too.

• 2:48:15Speaker 03

  You did?

• 2:48:16Speaker 04

  See, whatever we accumulate can only be ours, can't be us. At certain moments of intimacy, we may feel somebody is me. But if you treat them too much like yourself, you will lose them. Yes? This also same. If you treat it with little distance, you can manage it and use it the way you want. There's a little distance between you and your body, you can use it the way you want. You can use your mind the way you want. Right now, it's using you up. When I say it's using you up. What is the life that people are having?

• 2:49:01Speaker 04

  The needs of their body and their mind are occupying their entire life, yes or no?

• 2:49:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:49:09Speaker 04

  Physical needs of food, sexuality, sleep, comfort, psychological things of emotion, this, that, whatever, isn't that occupying their entire life?

• 2:49:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:49:21Speaker 04

  Tell me, your body and your mind should be serving you or you should spend your entire lifetime serving them?

• 2:49:29Speaker 03

  I'd rather it serve me.

• 2:49:31Speaker 04

  They should serve you.

• 2:49:34Speaker 04

  Well, you've been in the forces where they have... If you don't get it, they will beat you into the place where your body should serve you, not you serve the body.

• 2:49:44Speaker 04

  You're hungry, you don't eat, you're thirsty, you don't drink, you need this, you don't do this, you don't even bloody pee, all right? When you have to do something, you do. We are also like that. That's why I told you, if I sit here 12 hours, I will conduct a session like that only. No water, no going to the restroom, no nothing. Because we don't want to serve the body, we want to take care of the body. But we are not here to serve the body or the mind. These two things must serve me in my intention of what I want to do with my life, isn't it? Yes. If that needs to happen, you need a little distance. So you ask me, what is the first step?

• 2:50:26Speaker 04

  Well, people can start with something, not for you. For you, I would say you must start with a little bigger step called Inner Engineering. But for the people who are just watching for the first time, they can start with what is called as Miracle of Mind. It's a free app available on the App Store. It costs us lot of money to service this. But we are offering it free because I see if we don't take steps now,

• 2:50:57Speaker 04

  mental health is going to be in pandemic proportions.

• 2:51:03Speaker 04

  Already, already they are saying, the stats are showing, one in three teenage girls in America have gone through at least a few episodes of depression and medication. One in three, 33%. In my experience of teenage girls, when we were of that age, is they're giggly and bubbly for no reason. They are not depressed. You can't depress them. That's how they used to be. Now they're getting depressed. Whatever the reasons, there are so many reasons. I don't want to go into the science of it. It's a complex process. But the most important thing is, we must give them something that they don't get into it.

• 2:51:49Speaker 04

  I was speaking to the, what, the Surgeon General of United States. He tells me, one in two Americans are feeling lonely.

• 2:51:59Speaker 04

  Fifty percent. If you and me are sitting here, one of us is lonely. What the hell is happening with the other guy?

• 2:52:07Speaker 04

  Loneliness is the incubation period for psychological ailments. We must understand this.

• 2:52:14Speaker 04

  The moment you're sitting with people and you're feeling lonely, this means you're manufacturing a psychological ailment. It's going to come. How soon depends on the situations, how supportive they are or how against they are. You know, there's so many aspects to it. But the moment loneliness enters your life, you are walking towards it.

• 2:52:39Speaker 04

  You can avoid it with friendships and going out with friends, drinking, being together. You're only postponing it. It's coming. And that's growing at a pace where WHO says, by 2035, it could be a major problem. They're saying by 2045, it is going to be extremely difficult to live on this planet well because both physical and psychological problems will be so high.

• 2:53:11Speaker 04

  Today, America's healthcare is crossing 5.25 trillion dollars. It's larger than India's economy. For 330 million people.

• 2:53:24Speaker 04

  That doesn't speak well.

• 2:53:29Speaker 04

  And when I see the stats of suicides of veterans, people who served the country, huh? People who risked their life, held something above their own life, at least for those, that period. See, a man who holds, a man or a woman who holds something above their life, something else above their own life, I always bow down to them because there is a, that is a quality that can change things, you know? In anything. If somebody holds something above their own life, that is a potential man. Most of the time misguided, he may become a terrorist or he may become whatever, unnecessary adventure of war, whatever.

• 2:54:14Speaker 04

  But fundamentally, a human being who holds something above my own life, there is a potential there, which is an incredible potential. Will we harness it in the right direction or not? Is subject to realities.

• 2:54:30Speaker 03

  What do you think about, I mean, since we're moving into, I mean, you brought up war.

• 2:54:35Speaker 04

  I'm sorry?

• 2:54:36Speaker 03

  Since you brought up war, what do you think the difference is with killing in war versus killing for a vengeance? Or is there a difference?

• 2:54:48Speaker 04

  Karma is not by action. Karma is by volition. See, let us say someone is sitting here who is sitting here and every day thinking, "I want to kill my neighbor, I want to kill my neighbor, I want to somehow plan, poison him, do this, do that," but never does it. That's a very serious karma because you are doing it a thousand times in your mind. Another plans out a murder and kills the neighbor. That is a little lesser karma.

• 2:55:29Speaker 04

  Another goes there as a friend, gets into an argument and kills him. In the spur of the moment. Even the lot reads it separately, differently, right? At the spur of the moment, you did something, or you did it in a planned way, there is a difference. So in terms of what impact and effect it has within your system, the first one that I mentioned, you never committed the murder, but you did it in your mind a thousand times. That is a far deeper karma that affects your system much, much more, it poisons you much, much more. You planned and did it, that is a secondary level. But in a spur of the moment, you did it, that's another level.

• 2:56:14Speaker 04

  So it is not in the action, it is in the intention or the volition with which you approach life. So that is something you can fix. We may not be able to fix our actions, because at certain moments, life may demand different types of actions. Action has to be always relevant, has to be always relevant to the situations when we exist. You can't, because we are talking about battle and war, you can't go to battle and say, "I am a peaceful person, I will not shoot." Can't do that. But will you shoot? Because there is something to be done, which is in the larger interest.

• 2:56:59Speaker 04

  Or will you shoot because you have pleasure in shooting people? Or are you shooting because you have such anger and hatred against that person, whom you don't even know most of the time? This volition will determine. So this volition you can change, every soldier can change this. If at all, if it's necessary, I will do what is needed. But it's not for my pleasure, it's not for making that person suffer, it's not because I think his life is less valuable than mine. His life is as much valuable to him as it's mine is to me, isn't it?

• 2:57:32Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:57:33Speaker 04

  Isn't it true?

• 2:57:33Speaker 03

  Yes, it's true.

• 2:57:34Speaker 04

  Whoever he is. So always, right from ancient times, we always had that regard and respect. Soldiers maintained that regard and respect, unfortunately. In recent times, some people are not doing that, otherwise. An enemy who fought well and died, you respect him like your brother. Because he is also trying to protect something that he is identified with. Unfortunately, we met the wrong time, isn't it?

• 2:58:03Speaker 03

  I would definitely agree with that.

• 2:58:06Speaker 04

  That's a real soldier.

• 2:58:07Speaker 03

  It's two people that are doing...

• 2:58:11Speaker 04

  What's needed.

• 2:58:12Speaker 03

  It's two people that are potentially sacrificing their life for what they believe in.

• 2:58:18Speaker 03

  Who knows?

• 2:58:19Speaker 04

  They're doing what's needed in the given moment. It's not a question of right and wrong because all the whole scenery is not decided by them.

• 2:58:29Speaker 04

  They're not the ones who decide there should be a war or no war. But they can simply exercise their duty or take pleasure in killing another man or do it with great anger and hatred, thinking he's a evil person. No. His life is as precious to him as my life is. But unfortunately, if I don't take his, he will take mine. That's all the choices there in that given moment. So you fix the volition. Action you cannot fix. Not just in battle, even in day-to-day life, you cannot fix. In day-to-day life, it may not be about taking somebody's life,

• 2:59:12Speaker 04

  but in so many ways, you can't fix, isn't it? But your volition and your intention, you can fix. This is why the identity of having a larger identity, a global, if not a cosmic, at least a global identity if we have, we will do only to the extent it's necessary. We will never do excess. That's all we can do as human beings. That we did not do excess. We did whatever we did only to the extent necessary.

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• 3:01:11Shawn Ryan?

  So we've got a quick Polymarket question, so if you don't mind, I'm gonna ask this real quick here. Polymarket gives a 33% chance the FDA approves a psychedelic for medical use this year. Trump just signed an executive order to fast-track it. The government is moving towards these substances for PTSD and depression. You've said they're unnecessary. How do you respond to that momentum?

• 3:01:36Speaker 04

  So what is trauma? We've already touched it in a different way. But essentially, trauma means...

• 3:01:46Speaker 04

  Something is happening outside. Maybe the situation is not something that I would like to be in, but it's happening. It could be a civil situation or in the forces, it could be. It could be within the family. Not always physical violence. It could be emotional, it could be something else. Something is happening that you don't like. See, why do we say there is a situation here that I don't like? Because it's not as per my desire. Yes? Mm-hmm. I desire the situation to be this way, but it's that way. So I don't like it.

• 3:02:30Speaker 04

  So what is desire if you look at this? Desire is an aspiration to expand. Whoever you are, you're desiring for something more, isn't it? Yes. See, the nature of desire is like this. When you are a child, you thought if you get that lollipop, your life is complete. Then with lollipop in your mouth, then you thought after everyday lollipop in your mouth, it was not good enough. You wanted a bicycle. Then you really believed if I got that bicycle, I'll be on top of the world. And it did feel like that.

• 3:03:12Speaker 04

  You got on the bicycle and rode, it felt fantastic. Then bicycle got older, then you saw the neighborhood girl and you thought if she's there with me, be too fantastic. That happened, that happened, this happened, that happened, so many things happened, all right? But still, you see, there is something more. Doesn't matter who you are, still there is another desire. So the very nature of the desire is such, always there will be one desire which is unfulfilled, at least one. Yes, sir? What's that? Huh? What's that? That next one, whatever that is, for different people is different. So the object...

• 3:03:55Speaker 03

  It never ends. It never ends. There's always something more.

• 3:04:00Speaker 04

  I don't want to make a conclusive statement like that. I'm saying the object of desire keeps changing, but the desiring process is the same thing. How you desired for the lollipop, how you desired for that neighborhood girl, how you desired for a career, how you desired for money, how you desired for wealth. Desire fundamentally is same, isn't it?

• 3:04:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:04:27Speaker 04

  Only the object of desire is changing, but the fundamental desiring is the same process. You want to be something more. Now that from lollipop, you're slowly graduating to all this, why all this, Shaun? I will make you the king of this planet. Will you be fulfilled?

• 3:04:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:04:49Speaker 04

  You want the moon, is it?

• 3:04:52Speaker 03

  I don't think anybody would be fulfilled.

• 3:04:55Speaker 04

  No, no, let's explore. We're not talking about you. We're exploring.

• 3:04:59Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 3:04:59Speaker 04

  If I give you the moon, will you be satisfied?

• 3:05:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:05:02Speaker 04

  No. Why not the whole solar system? I'll give you the whole solar system. You're the king of the solar system. Then you'll say, why not at least one galaxy? All right, we have one galaxy. Then you'll say, what about the other galaxies? So there is something within you which does not like boundaries. Unknowingly, you're seeking yoga, I'm telling you.

• 3:05:27Speaker 04

  You... There's something within you which doesn't like boundaries. But desiring is a constipated expression of your consciousness. Something is aspiring. You know what's constipation? It happens little by little. That's a problem. So, desiring is a constipated expression of the longing to expand limitlessly.

• 3:05:57Speaker 04

  If you want to expand limitlessly, can you do it physically? No. See, you got it, man. You're a spiritual guy. The moment you see that I want to expand limitlessly, physical is not the way to do it. You are on the spiritual path. That's what spirituality means. You realized the limitations of being physical, but your desire is way beyond your physical self. You thinking it'll happen with property, you thinking it'll happen with a billion dollars, you thinking it'll happen with this and that. No, it doesn't happen. Look at the people who have it. It not happened to them, isn't it? It has not happened to them.

• 3:06:41Speaker 04

  Yes. So, desiring as a phenomena is the expression of your boundless consciousness to find its original nature. It wants to go home to that limitlessness, but you are giving it a constipated expression slowly, one by one. But life is a very limited process. We are all mortal. Mortality is not because I am talking about it. When we are born, we got a death sentence, isn't it? They don't tell us when. It could be today, it could be tomorrow, it could be hundred years later, we don't know. Hello? Yeah.

• 3:07:26Speaker 04

  But death sentence is confirmed both for you and me? It's common. Confirmed or no? Say that again. Is death sentence confirmed both for you and me? Yes, it is. Only date and time you do not know. So if you want to know the date and time of your death, you know how much yoga you have to do?

• 3:07:48Speaker 04

  This happened. There was a man called Shankaran Pillai. He went and met a few of his friends in the bar. They started drinking. After a few drinks, you know, usually men start bragging. Stories get taller and taller. This was a mystical day. Different, different days are dedicated to different subjects. When people get drunk, they'll talk about how they drove their car or rode their motorcycle, how they shot something, this, this, this. If they are hunters, they took up to shooting. If they're drivers, they talk about driving. This is a little mystical gang. They were talking about all the mystical stuff. Everybody was talking about how they saw the ghosts and this happened, that happened.

• 3:08:30Speaker 04

  Ah, they pulled out a ghost out of a bottle and a genie came out of this and stuff. This guy was just knocking off drinks. He said, "What, you don't have nothing to say?" He said, "Well, my uncle knew the exact time and date of his death." I said, "Really? Was he a mystic? Was he so, you know, profound that he knew exact time and date of his death? How did he know this?" He knocked off one more drink and said, "Well, the judge told him." You didn't get it, man?

• 3:09:17Speaker 04

  If you do certain actions, the judge will tell you exactly when and how you will die. That's not a good thing. So, I'm saying, trauma is because life is not going the way you're desiring.

• 3:09:38Speaker 04

  What you need to understand is, desire is a phenomenon. What object we give is our choice. Whether you choose lollipop, or a girl, or a bunch of ma... you know, a wad of money, or this or that, is our choice, isn't it? It is. Our choice doesn't really exist, because most human beings are socially cultivated. Everybody is having lollipop, you also want to have lollipop, everybody is having money, you also want to have money, everybody is doing this, you also want to do that. So, to rise above the identities that you hold and look at life, what is it that matters to me?

• 3:10:23Speaker 04

  That intelligence is not being generally worked at. Our education systems unfortunately have not structured that way, because if everybody looks at life intelligently, this may not be liked by you or by your community, if everybody starts looking at life intelligently, they may not serve an industry, or a company, or an army, or something, they may start doing their own things, which is what America is supposed to be, which is what the human life is supposed to be, that individual human beings should find a way, to find the best possible expression for whatever aptitudes they have, isn't it? Yes.

• 3:11:09Speaker 04

  But, doesn't matter what aptitude you have, you have to go sit in the school and learn four plus four is eight, or chemistry, physics, mathematics, this, that, for you, which you may have aptitude, you may not have aptitude. Whether you like it or not, you have to go through that, because they're trying to produce a product. So that you serve in a factory, or in the army, or in this place, or that place, they don't want you to be an individual. I am not trying to be an anarchist, but I am saying, societies were built for the sake of individual well-being.

• 3:11:48Speaker 04

  We built a family for individual well-being, isn't it so? Uh huh. Yes, we will rise above our individual requirements to serve the family or the community or the nation, that's a different matter. But fundamentally, it is the well-being of life for which we build everything, isn't it? Yes. That we forget, we forget that, that we are building all the systems for the well-being of individual life. But, systems, this is literally getting caught up in the process. We still, we built this building because we want to do something.

• 3:12:32Speaker 04

  But, we don't know how to open the door and get out of this damn building. Then this is a prison, isn't it? Yes, it is. This is all that's happening right now. Because you don't like something, why? Because it's not going according to the object of your desire. You could easily change the object, according to your choice or according to the requirement of the situation. But that doesn't happen, so it creates unpleasantness. This unpleasantness, we call it as trauma. At that moment, it happened, but now it repeats itself. Well, you are talking about people who are in extreme situations, all right?

• 3:13:14Speaker 04

  Because battle is the most extreme situation human beings can create. Famines and battles are the two most extreme situations human beings can create. Unfortunately, too many people are in both in the world today. With all this technology and stuff, with so much information and knowledge, we should have eliminated both. But both are very prevalent in the world, battles and famines.

• 3:13:45Speaker 04

  So, an unpleasant experience happened, let's say. Something that we don't like is unpleasant. We don't like because we had a desire for this, but this is happening. Wrong thing is happening in our mind. Somebody else may be enjoying that situation, isn't it? This is true. So, trauma is because of the resistance that we have for something that we think we don't like. What we don't like is something other than what we desire is happening. But desire is essentially not about these objects that we desire or situations that we desire.

• 3:14:28Speaker 04

  Desire is a phenomena which wants to expand, limitlessly. Even if I give you one galaxy, it's not enough, I must tell you this. I was here in United States just before I started this save soil journey. You know, I rode a motorcycle, a lone motorcycle, from London to southern India, 30,000 kilometers in 100 days. Wow. In 2022. I should have brought that book for you, I don't know if they have. So, I'll send you that book, just flip through that. This is people's experience. I just told my daughter, you know, so many people served me on the way.

• 3:15:11Speaker 04

  Just collect their experiences, what it is, because it was so brisk. I'm riding 16 to 18 hours a day. In these 100 days, I did 691 events along the way. Wow, 691 events? Yes, on an average, nearly 7 events per day, and riding. Wow. Even when I'm riding, I'm doing interviews as I'm riding. You will see, for the first time ever, in Indian national television, there's a man riding with a full-faced helmet, and he's talking and giving interviews, for hour-long interviews on the national television. That's me.

• 3:15:49Speaker 04

  So I said, "Take their experiences and put it in a book." Because all of them served. Because in every country that I went, different groups of people, different groups of people. Before I go there, they are ready with the events and works. I said, "Collect the experiences." So I said, "Within one year, let's do it for the first anniversary." It didn't happen. I said, "What the hell happened?" "No, no, she's... I'm collecting, collecting," she said. "Said, 'You lazy bum, what are you doing? One year over, two years over, she didn't do it. Three years now, fourth year she published.'" Then I look at the book, it's 450 pages. I said, "What is this?" "You don't know? There were thousand pages.

• 3:16:32Speaker 04

  I had to edit it down and bring it down to 450 pages." People sharing their experiences. I thought it'll be some small booklet, just do it quickly. What is that book about? Huh? What is the book out? The book just got out on March 21st for the fourth anniversary. Congratulations. I'll send you that one. I don't think they have it here, probably. Thank you. It's not a reading book, it's just people's experiences of these 100 days. So, when this whole process is happening, just before that, I come to United States.

• 3:17:14Speaker 04

  We didn't do the campaign in US, but I started in Caribbean, then went to London and from there I rode on. But I was activating the media, I did some podcasts and this and that to bring interest in the subject. Because soil was an unknown thing at that time. Today, it has become the mainstream of cop, the cop meetings and everything in four years' time. So, I was, one morning I'm sitting here and I see one young man running around like his tail is on fire. I said, "Hey, what are you up to, man?" He said, "Sadhguru, I just want to make one billion dollars. I want to make one billion dollars."

• 3:17:57Speaker 04

  I said, "What? Only one billion dollars?" "Tomorrow you come, I'll give you one billion dollars." "Really? Sadhguru, you'll give me one billion dollars?" "Yeah, I meant, come tomorrow, I'll give you one billion dollars." Eight of his friends were sitting quietly. I said, "See, these eight guys were sitting quietly here. I'll give them all ten billion dollars each." "Oh, why, why, Sadhguru? They get ten billion, I get one billion?" "You idiot, just now, you said one billion dollars is the ambition of your life. The moment they get ten billion, you become miserable. Neither they got nor you got, just a idiot." This is the nature of the desire.

• 3:18:40Speaker 04

  Your objective desire is just decided by the times and the societies in which you exist, isn't it? Yes. If you were here 200 years ago, you wouldn't be thinking all this billion nonsense. You would be thinking just how to cross Mississippi, maybe. Do you have desires? Huh? Do you have desires? Oh, lot of them. Are you able to control them? Ahre, I create them, why do I control them? Well, that's what I meant. I create them. Your desires are anyway created by you, either consciously or unconsciously is the only question, isn't it?

• 3:19:25Speaker 04

  Yes or no? Yes. I guess what I'm asking is you... I think a lot of people let desires run their life. That's what I'm saying. The question is, do you drive your desires or desires drive you? Nothing drives me. I drive every aspect of my life to the extent that I want. Nothing drives me. I am not a waymo. You know what's a waymo? Yeah, I know what a waymo is. I'm not a waymo driven by something. I drive. And I think I drive well.

• 3:20:08Speaker 03

  Appears that way.

• 3:20:10Speaker 04

  So about trauma, which is important and this post-traumatic thing, which unfortunately is such a serious thing in United States. The numbers I saw, man, it's not good. Not good to treat people who serve the country like this. Well, when I say treat, is the country treating them badly? I don't think so.

• 3:20:37Speaker 04

  Some $230 billion budget just for that one problem. Investing money is fine, it'll give some comfort. Not going to solve the problem. One important thing, which I don't think will be taken, but I will make the suggestion anyway, is don't try to send people into those situations and then try to solve it. Before they go, why don't we spend a certain amount of time? I know you're training to be strong, you're trying to train, training to be tough, to shoot straight and this and that. All those things are important for the soldier. Fine, I'm fine with that.

• 3:21:20Speaker 04

  Along with that, how to keep myself, how to be? This must be taught. We have done thousands of Indian Army personnel. We have put them through that. We have trained over 750, I'm sure of the, I'm not sure about the number, whether 750 or 7,500, I'm not sure about that. That many trainers we have trained for the Indian Army.

• 3:21:46Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 3:21:48Speaker 04

  They train. I don't know how many people they have trained internally. They won't give us that information. But we have trained so many trainers. Please, you must do this. What is the point of breaking up men who serve the country? They are saying, on an average, suicide could be suicides of this particular problem could be over 40 people per day. That's too, that's horrendous. I can't accept that number. It's not good. For any group of people, particularly those who put their life in harm's way, all right.

• 3:22:31Speaker 03

  I don't think they want to solve it.

• 3:22:32Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 3:22:33Speaker 03

  I don't think they want to solve it.

• 3:22:37Speaker 04

  Why would you say that?

• 3:22:40Speaker 03

  Because the issue is as old as time itself, and we're still sitting with the same shit.

• 3:22:48Speaker 04

  Maybe they don't understand the problem.

• 3:22:52Speaker 04

  Maybe they think this is a natural consequence.

• 3:22:58Speaker 04

  Maybe they don't want to address it because then you'll have to address whether this war itself was needed or not.

• 3:23:07Speaker 04

  All those issues are there.

• 3:23:16Speaker 03

  I think it's up to us, the veterans, to solve it.

• 3:23:22Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying, the veterans could also influence...

• 3:23:26Speaker 03

  To the individual to solve it.

• 3:23:29Speaker 04

  No, that we can always do.

• 3:23:33Speaker 04

  But I'm saying,

• 3:23:35Speaker 04

  the young people who are going into the services,

• 3:23:39Speaker 04

  if we equip them with something, we don't have to create broken people.

• 3:23:44Speaker 03

  I'm 100% with you on that.

• 3:23:47Speaker 04

  If people are willing, we're willing to do that. As a part of this, I told them to offer Inner Engineering programs for all veterans, free of cost.

• 3:23:57Speaker 03

  Say that again?

• 3:23:59Speaker 04

  For all the veterans who've served the nation here, we've done that in India also for all the forces, that the Inner Engineering program, which normally costs $175 for common people, we'll offer it free.

• 3:24:15Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 3:24:16Speaker 04

  It's online. They can do it in their homes. And it'll do wonders.

• 3:24:22Speaker 03

  How do they find that?

• 3:24:25Speaker 03

  Where do they find this?

• 3:24:27Speaker 04

  Oh, Inner Engineering... I'm sorry, they have some... I'll ask them to give you the link.

• 3:24:32Speaker 03

  Okay, we'll put it in the description.

• 3:24:34Speaker 04

  Veterans slash something... I'm sorry, I don't know what's the thing.

• 3:24:39Speaker 03

  It'll be in the description.

• 3:24:40Speaker 04

  We will offer that. They should make use of it. See, the thing is,

• 3:24:46Speaker 04

  I'm not thinking only soldiers should be free of this. See, our programs are mandatory in all the Southern Indian prisons.

• 3:24:57Speaker 04

  I personally went there and taught programs at one time in the prisons. Wow. Now, teachers have been teaching for over twenty-five, twenty-six years. They become mandatory and the whole prison atmosphere has changed. Here also, I did those programs in Pennsylvania High Security Prison and Philadelphia. And we tried in Tennessee also, but... They were fantastic, the programs initially. I personally went there, myself. I must tell you the experience. In Philadelphia, life sentence is life sentence. That is, there's no remission.

• 3:25:40Speaker 04

  And there's no death sentence. See, this is a jinx, you know? If you commit a crime, whatever it is, people commit crimes for various reasons, not always because of some evil stuff. For variety of reasons, it happens. Unfortunately, it happens. I must tell you about this particular guy. He, when he's just, just over eighteen, finished his high school just over eighteen. And he taught some fancy thing. He thought he will do some shooting and rob a store and he killed two, three people, I think.

• 3:26:25Speaker 04

  Two people, I think. So he got life sentence. At the age of eighteen, he came there. I met him and he's fifty-six. Strong, fit guy. They initially didn't want to have him because the prison guards felt we can't manage him in the program. Inside the classroom, one guard is standing with a rifle. I said, "Please, don't stand inside. If it's a must, you stand outside." He says, "No, no, no. He's very dangerous." Literally, they're waiting one moment. If he does one mistake, they'll shoot that guy.

• 3:27:09Speaker 04

  I said, "Please, don't do this." But they said, "No." This guy, because he's... he's become so violent, because now he kills another ten people, there's no death sentence. Only thing is, more life sentences. You know, in America, I hear, "Somebody is sentenced for 800 years." That means what, you'll make sure he lives for 800 years? Anyway, he'll die at a normal length of time, isn't it? Hmm hmm. So, he's violent because there's no consequence. "What will you do to me?" At the most, you'll put me in the solitary. So, most of the time, he's solitary, all the time, I think.

• 3:27:54Speaker 04

  It's a five-by-eight kind of cell. So, on the fourth or fifth day after he started the program, he broke down and cried. Big guy. Everybody, all the other prisoners, convicts, terrified, because this guy is crying. Everybody is terrified of him. They give him separate time in the yard, because he'll bash somebody up. Even in the yard time, when he's... they walk and exercise, separate time for him. And this guy is crying like a baby. Then he wanted to speak. I said, "Please speak."

• 3:28:39Speaker 04

  He said, "In the last thirty years, I have not been able to sit. When I'm exhausted, I fall asleep. But I can't sit in one place. And last four days, I'm sitting here for three hours a day with you." This is the greatest miracle for me, that he's sitting in one place. Otherwise, he just walks up and down these eight feet, up and down, up and down, up and down. When he's exhausted, he'll fall asleep.

• 3:29:12Speaker 04

  And you know like this, in India, see the prison is a very organized place. In the sense, you wake up on time, somebody opens the doors for you, somebody closes it for you. Food comes bang on time. Everything on time. Only thing is, if you enter the prison, I have never been into a prison and come out without tears in my eyes. Because there is pain in the air. Just the idea, somebody is locking you up. Because in human consciousness, the most important thing is freedom. People may not articulate it like that.

• 3:29:58Speaker 04

  They themselves may lock themselves in the room, but it's okay. But if somebody locks it from outside, suddenly it becomes another level of pain. So in India, they wrote over 3000 to 4000 poems. Hardly educated people. Most of them are like, you know, never been to school or some basic school. One guy wrote a poem. He killed three people in the courthouse. So in India, that is considered rarest of the rare. In India, there is death sentence, but in the rarest of the rare cases only. So who defines that rarest? Of course, the judge. And then, you know, there's appeal and appeal and appeal

• 3:30:43Speaker 04

  right up to the president. But if nothing, usually they are on death sentence. But they stay there for 15, 20 years. If they have a good lawyer, up to 25 years. So this guy has been on death sentence for more than eight or nine years. And I did a 10-day event for them inside the prison.

• 3:31:08Speaker 04

  You know, I just... It's so painful and so touching. So, all these people... One thing is, a prison psychologist told me that in the last 136 years of the prison's history, not a single day, there's been a day that somebody was not in the solitary. This solitary was created by the British when they were there. That is, it's a five-by-five box, a steel box, five-by-five-by-five cube, with a small hole like this, and rest of it is all steel metal. And it's outside. In the sun, it gets hot.

• 3:31:51Speaker 04

  That's where they are, solitary. Every day, somebody gets into it because they'll do some mischief, something. After the program started, not a single person went into the solitary for months on end. Wow. And the prison psychologist said, "The biggest problem is they cannot sleep. In the nights, they're howling like wolves." Howling stopped, they started sleeping well. And this guy wrote a poem, he was on death row, now he's been executed. He was on death row for nine years, and still there, appealing and appealing into one more court, one more court appeal.

• 3:32:35Speaker 04

  So, he wrote a poem, he said, "Every day when the cell door closes in the evening, I thought, 'This is my grave.' But now, when the cell door closes, I close my eyes, and this has become my Bodhi tree." You know what's a Bodhi tree? Where Buddha got enlightened under the tree. Gautama the Buddha sat under the tree and he got enlightened. He's saying, "When the cell door closes, it becomes my Bodhi tree. I close my eyes and meditate now."

• 3:33:05Speaker 04

  So I'm saying, I'm talking about extreme situations. Prison is an extreme situation in so many ways. They, they may be safer than in the war zone, but this sense of “I am not free” is the deepest suffering in a human being. People cannot understand this unless they see what happens there. I was in Kentucky prison, and I was doing this program on sixth, seventh day. One black lady comes to me with one young boy, maybe ten-year-old boy, and she holds my hand and says, “Guru, Guru, I want to talk to you, my husband.

• 3:33:49Speaker 04

  You know, he thinks you're Jesus.” I said, “Please don't say this. I don't want to be crucified or anything. Please don't say such things. I'm just an ordinary guy coming to help them.” Then she said, “You know, my husband, he has the heart of gold, but in a fit of anger, he killed somebody. Then he came out on, you know, some parole, he was outside. Somebody said something, he killed another guy.” I'm saying, people get into these things not necessarily in a planned way. Just one moment. Something that they don't like, this is the way they react.

• 3:34:33Speaker 04

  If they had done this hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago, it would be quite normal in the tribe. Somebody irritated you, you killed that guy. People would say, “Oh, it's a good thing. That guy irritated you, you killed him.” But today, he is locked up in the prison, I'm saying. So I'm saying, the consequences that we face are not always the same. Depending upon the times in which we exist, different things happen to us. How to process all this? Because we're still the same human beings, isn't it? Yeah. Whether you were here thousand years ago, or today, or later, we're still the same in your human beings. So we have to look for, what is the constant?

• 3:35:18Speaker 04

  See, the content of your mind is not what it would be if you were thousand years ago. Isn't it?

• 3:35:27Speaker 03

  Definitely would not be the same.

• 3:35:29Speaker 04

  But the content of the body would be largely same. Maybe the fitness of the body would be in a different level, but general content of the body is same. Chemistry is same, energies are same. That's what we should manage. But we are always trying to manage this surface, which is just an impression of the times upon us. The human being needs to be taken care of, but we are trying to prune this on the surface. So this is what inner engineering is about. You change the very energies, you change the very chemistry of who you are. If you create a blissful chemistry, after that, what is trauma?

• 3:36:10Speaker 04

  There's no such thing. It will feel insulting for people who have been through that, but I am saying this with utmost respect for whatever they go through. But the most important and empowering thing is that you determine the nature of your experience. The world determines the nature of your experience. That means you will be unfit for the world in some way, isn't it?

• 3:36:39Speaker 03

  It is.

• 3:36:41Speaker 04

  The choice is this. Shall I fix the whole world the way you want? Or will you fix yourself in such a way that you are fit to live in this world?

• 3:36:55Speaker 03

  That is a damn good way to look at things.

• 3:36:57Speaker 04

  Hmm?

• 3:36:58Speaker 03

  That is a damn good way to look at things. Thank you.

• 3:37:02Speaker 04

  We must fix the chemistry, we must fix the energy. Thoughts and emotions are happening according to our times, isn't it? Their surface. If your chemistry is blissful, your energies are stable, then what is it? Outside world, you will handle it with the best of your ability. Can somebody do the best in the world? There's no such thing. Whichever way we do it, we can do it better, isn't it? Hello?

• 3:37:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:37:38Speaker 04

  But I must do my best. If what I cannot do does not happen in my life, it's alright. But if what I can do, if I do not do, I'm a disaster, isn't it?

• 3:37:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:37:52Speaker 04

  This is all it is. In our lives, if we do not do what we cannot do, that's not a problem. In our lives, if we do not do what we can do, we are a disastrous life. I want to make sure nobody is that disaster. Everybody can do this much, that your experience of life, you determine. Outside, we will naturally do our best if you're in a good state. We'll do our best. Our best may not be the best, it's okay. We're doing our best.

• 3:38:29Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 3:38:31Speaker 03

  One day we must golf, then I'll show you what's my best to you.

• 3:38:34Speaker 04

  Alright, that sounds good.

• 3:38:40Speaker 04

  Well, I think that might be the perfect place to end this. Huh? I think that might be the perfect place to end this. Yes, we're building a golf course in Tennessee there.

• 3:38:48Speaker 03

  You're building a golf course?

• 3:38:49Speaker 04

  Yes, it'll be playable by October, but we will open it sometime early spring, next spring.

• 3:38:56Speaker 03

  Well, I will come golf there.

• 3:38:57Speaker 04

  You have to?

• 3:38:58Speaker 03

  Is it a McMenville?

• 3:38:59Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 3:39:00Speaker 03

  Is it a McMenville?

• 3:39:00Speaker 04

  Uh, from McMenville, we are eighteen miles, I think.

• 3:39:03Speaker 03

  Okay. So close.

• 3:39:05Speaker 04

  It's a... It's a seventy-one, seventy-two, that means, uh, seven thousand one hundred and seventy-two yards.

• 3:39:13Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 3:39:13Speaker 04

  It's a long course, beautiful course.

• 3:39:16Speaker 03

  Well... Should we go smack some balls?

• 3:39:19Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 3:39:20Speaker 03

  Should we go smack some balls?

• 3:39:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:39:22Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 3:39:22Speaker 04

  You don't have any clubs.

• 3:39:24Speaker 03

  I think we got some.

• 3:39:25Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 3:39:26Speaker 03

  We'll check.

• 3:39:28Speaker 04

  We can, if you're done with your questions.

• 3:39:30Speaker 03

  Well... Sadhguru?

• 3:39:33Speaker 04

  Let me see, if you... Something of...

• 3:39:41Speaker 04

  There's a poem on death. You want to?

• 3:39:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's hear it.

• 3:39:48Speaker 04

  "Life and death, live in me at once. Never held one above the other. When one stands far, life I offer. In closeness, only death I deal. In death of the limited, will the deathless be? In death of the limited, will the deathless be? How to tell the fools of my taintless evil?"

• 3:40:17Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:40:19Speaker 04

  Because if you do not, in some way, destroy the limited nature of what you have constructed, the larger life will never come into you. Creation, and the source of creation, is the most spectacular thing. It's way beyond anything we can imagine. I'm saying a simple thing. If you take a leaf, how it is made, it's beyond your imagination. And it's a very source of life. Photosynthesis is the basis of all life on the planet. A simple life is doing that all the time, isn't it? A simple leaf is doing that all the time. But we think we are brilliant.

• 3:41:03Speaker 04

  That's why we are so stupid.

• 3:41:08Speaker 03

  Word of the day, right there.

• 3:41:11Speaker 04

  Thank you, Sean.

• 3:41:13Speaker 03

  Thank you. I learned a lot.

• 3:41:28Shawn Ryan?

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