Shatter Limiting Beliefs, Own Your Power & Change Your Life with Spirit Daughter Jill Wintersteen

Get ready to shatter your limiting beliefs, own your power and change your life! When’s the last time you marveled at your own amazingness…at how you’re a living breathing miracle in motion? When’s the last time you celebrated with awe and wonder how your body is operating millions of microprocesses right now to keep you alive? How your mind can imagine up worlds and how your intuition has immense inner wisdom just waiting to be fully tapped into. Today we’re talking about how to shatter your limiting beliefs, awaken your intuition, own your power and tap into your own amazingness…with Jill Wintersteen, known to millions online and around the world as Spirit Daughter! Jill's background blends neuroscience and psychology with expertise in alignment-based yoga, Chinese medicine, and astrology. She’s the founder of Spirit Daughter, creator of the Moment App, lunar manifestation expert, celebrity astrologer and author of the brand new book called Spirit Daughter: Own Your Power, Change Your Life! And she’s here in person in the studio today with you and me, ready to talk about how we can shatter limiting beliefs, unlock deep healing and manifest the life you desire! Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌 jamiekernlima.com 👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter and get ready for your self-worth to soar!🩷 Also, please make sure to take 2 seconds and click the “Follow” button right here on this page to follow me and the podcast, I’m so grateful and thank you SO much! Order your copy of Spirit Daughter here: https://spiritdaughter.com/pages/book ___ And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. ____ Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 9:35 Shatter Your Limiting Beliefs 15:20 Stop Seeking Power In External Things 18:20 How to Know You’re Where You’re Meant To Be! 27:15 How to Hear Your Intuition! 30:50 “You Have to Allow Yourself to FEEL, to FEEL Your Intuition!” It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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• 0:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  One thing you just said, I have never heard anyone say this before, and I'm having this big aha over it right now. You have to allow yourself to feel, to then feel your intuition.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:15Jamie Kern Lima?

  When's the last time you marvel at your own amazingness? At how you're living, breathing, miracle in motion? When's the last time you've celebrated with awe and wonder how your body is operating millions of microprocesses right now to keep you alive? How your mind can imagine up worlds? And how your intuition has immense inner wisdom just waiting to be fully tapped into? Today, we're talking about how to shatter your limiting beliefs, awaken your intuition, own your power, and tap into your own amazingness with Jill Wintersteen, known to millions of people online and around the world as Spirit Daughter.

• 0:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  So many of us are really held back and stunted by limiting beliefs. We're stunted by them. We convince ourselves that they're true. They hold us back. So how do we shatter limiting beliefs?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Step one is, we have so many thoughts all day long that are just running on default. And we're not even consciously aware of them. And they pop up and they come from our inner critic. And they come from that part of ourselves that says, we can't do this, or this isn't for people like me, or I didn't grow up with this or that, or I don't have the credentials for this. The good enough piece, which like plagues so many of us. Then you get to do the work of changing them. And eventually retrain my brain to know that I want to choose this other narrative for myself.

• 1:53Jamie Kern Lima?

  Jill's background blends neuroscience and psychology with expertise in alignment-based yoga, Chinese medicine, and astrology. She's the founder of Spirit Daughter, creator of the Moment app, lunar manifestation expert, celebrity astrologer, and author of the brand-new book called Spirit Daughter: Own Your Power, Change Your Life. And she's here in person in the studio today with you and me, ready to talk about how we can shatter limiting beliefs, unlock deep healing, and manifest the life you desire. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show Podcast Family. Thank you

• 2:34Jamie Kern Lima?

  so much for being here. And can you take two seconds and do me a favor? Just hit the subscribe or follow button on the app that you're listening or watching on. It truly means the world to me. And you know, also, you can get even more inspiration from me right to you for free. Just join my newsletter community at JamieKernLima.com. Also, this incredible podcast episode today is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person you know who might need some inspiration today, or perhaps a boost in their self-belief, because what you're about to hear can truly impact mine, yours, and their lives too.

• 3:11Speaker 02

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• 3:15Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 3:22Speaker 03

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• 3:25Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 3:33Speaker 04

  I've actually never said that out loud to anybody in an interview before. You know how to get there.

• 3:39Speaker 03

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• 3:43Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 3:46Speaker 02

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• 3:52Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 3:57Speaker 03

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• 4:00Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 4:16Speaker 03

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• 4:24Jamie Kern Lima?

  Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. Jill Wintersteen, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

• 4:36Jamie Kern Lima?

  I'm so happy you're here also. We met and just had this great conversation. I learned about your new book, Spirit Daughter, which I know is much anticipated by millions of other people and I was so grateful to read an early copy of it. Right off the top, can you talk about, you know, why you wrote this and why there is so much anticipation about this book? For the person who's maybe tuning in right now and learning about you for the first time, share a little bit about your story, this book, and then we are going to dive into shattering limiting beliefs and all kinds of exciting things I can't wait to talk about.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Okay, so I wrote this book, I really wanted people to know my story. And so it's part memoir, it's part self-help, prescriptive, but it's a lot of memoir, it's a lot of my journey. And I just felt that there was this gap between my online persona, people know me as Spirit Daughter, they see this beautiful curated Instagram feed, beautiful life, and I wanted people to really know the truth, the real, raw, messy journey of how I got to be Spirit Daughter. And so for people who are in their own messy journey, I want them to feel inspired when

• 5:53Speaker 01

  they read this book to say, okay, like this, if Jill did this with her life, I can do this too. And so it just felt like a really good moment and a calling to kind of close that gap between what people know about me and see about me, that kind of like polished version, and you know, my journey and be inspired.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  I'm tired by it. I wanted to share the dooring, not just the after.

• 6:16Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, I think that's really powerful. I think, you know, now online, so many people just see sort of the person on the pedestal, especially in different worlds of whether it's faith or spirituality or manifestation or different thought leaders of all types, and it can almost seem like unattainable or, or maybe not as relatable. Maybe it's still aspirational, but not quite as relatable. And I was saying to you when we were walking here together is that it's, I think, so much more powerful that you share the human part, like the human journey you've gone through to get to where you're at now, because I think that's how so many people will connect to that and be like, oh, and then they'll see parts of themselves. Because I think a lot of us, you know, we, we think that,

• 6:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  oh, spiritual enlightenment can only happen to other people, but we're, we've made too many mistakes or we have too much self doubt, or we have failed too many times. And I think, I think the beauty is in that journey. And so were you scared at all or feel vulnerable at all, sharing some of the things you shared? Because you share them. You share them.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  I share them. I share everything. And yes, it was very, very vulnerable to write the book in the first place, to have some of the first people, my editor, read it. I think when I first sent it to her, I like just crawled in bed and like hid all day. I had that feeling of like, nobody look at me.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  And then those moments of like, I can't believe I'm sharing this with this many people. And still it felt like the right thing to do. And still it was just like, yes, I need, I need to do this. I need to go forward with this vulnerability and really reach for what I feel is my potential as a leader in my space by sharing who I am and sharing my journey.

• 8:04Jamie Kern Lima?

  For the person just meeting you right now for the first time, we're going to dive into shattering our limiting beliefs in a moment. But for the person meeting you for the first time, what would you love for them to know about you?

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a mom. I feel like I always like to lead with that because no matter what is going on in my life, a book launch, or a podcast, or anything else, like I'm a mom first, always. I'm a Leo, so I'm here to, Leos are all about leading through vulnerability. So, a lot of my, my journey, and even with this book, I've kind of leaned on that knowledge of like, wow, like this is how I lead through this vulnerability, through this openness, through this portal where everybody can see into me. And that will actually just make me stronger of a leader. And then I'm also the founder and owner of Spirit Daughter, where we, you know, we have

• 8:57Speaker 01

  an online platform, we have workbooks, we have tools. I really started Spirit Daughter as a way to give people tools, to inspire them, to show up for themselves, to commit to their own journey, and, and to ultimately grow, to trust themselves, trust their intuition, and really own their power. And in a lot of ways, I feel like my journey as Spirit Daughter has been to bring this book to the world. And I even talk about that in the end of the book, that, you know, I wanted to write this book before I even thought of Spirit Daughter, I thought of this book first.

• 9:32Jamie Kern Lima?

  Wow. Well, so many of us are, are really held back and stunted by limiting beliefs. We're stunted by them. We convince ourselves that they're true. They hold us back. So, how do we shatter limiting beliefs?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Step one is awareness. And so, we can't change anything until we're aware of it. And we have so many thoughts all day long that are just running on default. And we're not even consciously aware of them. And they pop up, and they come from our inner critic, and they come from that part of ourselves that says, we can't do this, or this isn't for people like me, or I didn't grow up with this, or that. Or I don't have the credentials for this. And so it really begins with becoming aware of those thoughts, making those unconscious thoughts conscious. And so that takes some time. That takes a commitment to say, okay, I'm going to catch myself when I am, you know, in the middle of my day and I'm answering an email or some opportunity comes my way or I'm doing the dishes and I,

• 10:35Speaker 01

  and I'm going to catch that repeating thought, whatever that might be. Oh, I can't do this. Oh, I don't look good enough. Oh, you know, I'm not this, that, or the other thing, you know, the, the good enough piece, which like plagues so many of us. You know, I don't have what it takes. So catching those thoughts and making that a diligent practice and writing them down, right? That's step one. And as ugly as they are, as horrible as they are, because we say things to ourselves, we would never in a million years say to anyone else, ever. And it's, it's just mind blowing. I almost, I wish there was a device that could record all of our thoughts, even just for a day for us, so we could look back and read them and we would be shocked.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  And so step one is just simple awareness and writing it down. And then you get to do the work of changing them. Then you get to say, okay, when I have this thought, I'm going to create this counter thought, this counter mantra, this counter affirmation and say that, and eventually retrain my brain to know that I want to choose this other narrative for myself. That I'm not going to be defined by this old story, this old negative self-talk, these old patterns on repeat. But awareness is, is key.

• 11:54Jamie Kern Lima?

  So awareness, write it down.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Write it down.

• 11:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Write them down. You don't have to show anybody, just write it down. Which I'm just, it's funny when you're saying that, I'm thinking of all the thoughts I've already had this morning. But if I wrote those down, I would not want to read that paper about myself. Because you're right, we just, all day long, right? They just come up. And then you're saying, once you're aware of them, then you create a counter thought, which is like, okay, you know, when I have that thought of, oh, I'm not smart enough or not that, whatever it might be, not this enough. Enough, whatever it might be, what's that counter thought?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Right, that you probably know in your soul is true. And then when you think that negative one, you're gonna like literally catch yourself, replace it.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 12:36Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  And it takes time. It's a commitment. All of these practices really change the way we think about ourselves, because that's where it all starts. To change our lives, we need to change how we're showing up for ourselves, our commitments to our practices that are ultimately gonna change our behavior and what we think is possible. It starts with saying, okay, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this for 30 days. I'm gonna do this for 20 days. And that's why I love working with astrology and like the lunar cycles, because we have this perfect 30 day container. You can say on a new moon, I'm gonna start doing this. It's the new moon, I'm gonna do this until the next new moon. And then you kind of know there's an end in sight, because it can be hard to commit to a practice indefinitely.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Ultimately, when we realize it works and we get that positive reinforcement that like, oh, this is working, I'm starting to say less negative things to myself, or I'm starting to believe things are possible. And then that belief is opening up opportunities. I'm able to expand my filter and see things around me instead of closing off from the world. Then we just naturally continue. But I find that it really starts, it's very helpful to say, okay, I'm gonna do this for 30 days.

• 13:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  So it doesn't feel like impossible, like, okay, I'm committed. Yeah, yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Small steps.

• 13:52Jamie Kern Lima?

  Small steps. I'm gonna ask you, you know, I love, I love my community that listens to this show, and I love when they write in and ask questions. And, uh, and sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish I asked that. And also, sometimes I realize, you know, we all have, we all come from different walks of life. And, you know, I have people listening right now that are super into astrology and into, you know, manifesting in this, I have people listening that are really into faith, and they've never even read a horoscope, right? I've had people, I mean, it's, it's all different types of people, and I love that. And so, one of the things I'm gonna dive into in a little bit with you is really the basics of a natal

• 14:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  A needle chart and a lunar cycle and astrology and can you grab helpful bits from it? If you also practice a different faith and just all of that. So I'm excited to dive in. For anyone who's really curious about this and has questions, I think I have a lot of good ones ready for you because I think it's fascinating. And you know, if God created the entire universe, including lunar cycles, I'm so curious from different perspectives on what they are. But I want to ask you, because I think this is such a powerful theme in your book, Spirit Daughter, that's out now, Own Your Power, Change Your Life. I want to ask you,

• 15:14Jamie Kern Lima?

  when we seek power, because so many of us do this, when we seek power outside of ourselves, and that could look like, oh, if I get this job promotion or this job title, or the white picket fence and 3.5 kids, or this goal weight, or this person liking me, or me being included in this friend group, when we think we can get power by seeking it outside of ourselves, what happens? And why do we always end up feeling unfulfilled when we do that?

• 15:45Speaker 01

  We seek power, we seek happiness. And so we're like, oh, if I get that white picket fence and I weigh 120 pounds and I drive that car, like, I'm gonna feel powerful and I'm gonna be happy.

• 15:56Jamie Kern Lima?

  Happy.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Right? So it's like, there's that combined effect. And I find that, and I talk about this in the book, because I go through my own journey of losing like everything I had. And I had a lot. I had a closet full of Prada and Gucci and all kinds of diamonds and all things. And I basically lost most of it or put it in storage for a very long time. And I don't think it's wrong necessarily to want things. And so just stating that, I know a lot of times when we talk about spirituality and talk to spiritual teachers and think of like Buddhism, it's all like, oh, you can't want anything, like desire is the root of all suffering. I think it's okay to want things. I think it's okay to want to drive a Porsche or want that house with, you know, a white picket fence.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  What we don't want is our happiness. Or our empowerment to depend on those things. Meaning if we lost them, we would still have both. So it's okay to want things. It's not okay to be attached to them in the way that if you don't have them, you don't feel empowered and you don't feel happy. Because when we place our power outside of ourselves or our happiness, then the world can take it away. You know, things can happen. We can crash that Porsche. We can, you know, lose the house. Like so much can happen. And if we're not rooted in ourselves and if we're not saying ourselves, okay, you know what? All of that came from me. All of that power is within me. And I have the power to create all of it.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  So I have the power to create my own internal happiness. I have the power to create abundance in all forms, including time and love and money. I have all that power. And so that if it is all taken away from me, I still have my power and nobody can take that away from me. And I have the power to recreate it all again. And I have my happiness so that no matter where I end up, wherever that may be, I'll still be happy and I'll still feel empowered within who I am.

• 17:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  So many people get in this cycle of thinking, once I achieve that next thing, then I'll be happy. Once I achieve the thing on the after that. You were, you know, in pursuit of your doctorate. And just had this feeling that that wasn't it. And can you, can you describe for everyone listening? Because there's a lot of people right now that are like, I'm in this relationship, but I don't know, something's off or this job or this pursuit of this. Or my parents always wanted me to do this, or I always thought if I did this. And can you talk about?

• 18:35Jamie Kern Lima?

  Steps to be able to tune in and go, is this, is this right? Is this in alignment for me? Am I falsely thinking it will bring me happiness? And, and how, how do we become fulfilled and happy inside ourselves without any of that stuff?

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when I was back in, in school for neuroscience, I was studying neurogenetics. And I was doing great, like by all standards. I was like checking all the boxes and I was like, okay, when I get this, when I get that. And I was in that cycle of, oh, when I get this fellowship, I'll be happy. Oh, when I get this next degree, I'll be happy. Oh, when I become a tenured professor, I'll be happy. And so I think that's one of the biggest clues that you're not on the path that's meant for you, that your soul really wants to be here for. Cause I do believe that.

• 19:30Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 20:15Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 22:22Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 23:50Speaker 01

  And so, I think that's one of the biggest clues that you're not on the path that's meant for you, that your soul really wants to be here for. Because I do believe that we all have a purpose, we all have a path, and when we're on it, we know it, and it feels good. We're not waiting for that next thing to happen. We're like, oh, you know what? I'm happy right where I am. I'm still gonna go for that next thing, because that's part of my path, but if I don't get there, that's also okay. And there's a bit of surrender that happens when we're actually on our path. And so, we feel it in every part of ourselves, in our entire energy. We're excited to get up for the day, we're motivated. It's not that everything's easy and there's unicorns flying all around, it's just we know

• 24:35Speaker 01

  this is where we're meant to be, and we're not like waiting for that next thing to happen. We actually can be rooted in ourselves and happy with where we are. And so, I think that's really important for people who, you know, maybe they're in a relationship, they wake up every day and they're like, what am I doing? But they're afraid to leave, for whatever reason. They're afraid that that relationship brings them something they can't bring to themselves. They're afraid that career with all of its glamour and success marks won't, you know, without it, they won't be happy. When, when really, that might be the thing that is taking them away from their happiness, is taking them away from who they really are.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  And so it's really important to understand who you are and know that it might not make sense to people outside of you. Like when I left neuroscience, everybody was like, what are you doing? They're like, you just left a fellowship, you just left a stipend, like everything was paid for. You know, my parents were happy. They were telling all their friends, like everybody was like, what are you like, what are you doing? People thought I was crazy, but I knew that I was not happy. I understood that. And I was young enough. I always say, well, I was like 23, so I didn't have kids. I didn't have a mortgage. So I was like, young enough to be crazy enough to leave and say, you know what?

• 25:58Speaker 01

  I'm going to give this all up and I'm going to find my path. And I had no idea what my path was going to be at that time. I didn't start Spirit Daughter until I was 36. And so from 23 to 36, I had no idea what I was doing in life. Like none. I just, I trusted that I would figure it out and I would, I trusted that when I found it, it would feel right. It would feel like I would wake up every day and be like, okay, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

• 26:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you feel that way right now?

• 26:27Speaker 01

  I do. I do. And that's one of the reasons why I wrote the book.

• 26:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  And there was definitely moments where I was like, what am I doing? Why am I putting this story out there? And you know, there were some publishers when we've, you know, originally pitched this book that were like, why don't you just write a book on astrology? Like just keep it simple, Jill. Just write a book on like the sun signs and the lunar cycles. And I was like, no, no, I want to write this book. And so it just, it feels right to me.

• 26:52Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah. And when you say it feels right, I want to, I want to dive into that because one of the most common questions I get asked is how can I hear my own intuition and then how can I trust it? So how can we hear our intuition and then how can we trust it?

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Starts with awareness and practice. And like I talk about in the book, intuition is feeling. And so the first part of feeling your intuition is opening up to your emotions. And so we can't just pick and choose which emotions we feel. We have to feel it all. We have to feel the pain. We have to feel the grief. We have to feel the joy. We have to feel the happiness. And so it becomes a practice of really emotional intelligence in a lot of ways. Where we need to sit and sometimes we need to cry and we need to journal. We need to allow ourselves to open up to all of our emotions. Some of the things we may have been avoiding for years. We need to let them open. And that's the key. That's the key that unlocks the door to your intuition because intuition is felt.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  And I think a lot of people think like, oh, it's in my mind. I'm going to think my intuition. No, it's felt. You feel it in your body. Your body speaks your intuition to you before your mind ever will. Your mind is just catching up and trying to make sense of it all. And so we need to feel, and that's really hard for a lot of people, is to sit in their emotions and explore them, be open to them, journal, understand them. And so then when you do that, you start all of a sudden feeling your intuition. You get those aha moments. And for me, my intuition shows up in like random places, like when I'm walking the dog, like it's just like, boop, there's an idea. Or in the shower, like boop, there's an idea.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  And it comes super quick. Your intuition is so efficient. I like to tell this to people because we spend so much time in logic and spreadsheets and to do lists and pros and cons lists and all of that. Your intuition is so efficient. It's just like, here's the answer. And then it's up to you to follow it. And that's where it takes courage and usually a leap of faith. And we usually have no idea, no guarantee where it's going to lead us or how it's going to end. And we just have to take one step forward in the direction of our intuition. In the direction of that aha moment that comes on very quickly. We need to catch it and take one step towards it. And, and then I like to tell people to start small.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  And write everything down. Like, keep an intuition journal. I followed my intuition today, and this is what happened. Maybe your intuition just told you to go to a coffee shop, or to eat something, or to wear a particular shirt, right? A lot of times, our intuition shows up when we're even just picking out our clothes. So these small things that don't have large consequences, and then you write them down. And you write down times when you didn't follow your intuition, and what happened then. Right? That's the part that always gets people I find when I'm working with intuition. And some people just have so much, like, grief over that, where it's like, "Oh, my intuition told me not to do this, and I did it anyway." And it was right. And it feels like when you don't follow your intuition,

• 30:07Speaker 01

  it feels like an act of betrayal to yourself. And so it's important, though, to write that down, and note that, and learn that. You know, learn that pattern within you of like, "Oh, when my intuition speaks in this situation, I never follow it, and this is what happens." It's important to become aware of that. And that will give you confidence, then, as you review that journal over time, to trust your intuition for big decisions, like, who to date, who to marry, where to move, what career to go into.

• 30:39Jamie Kern Lima?

  One thing you just said, I have never heard anyone say this before, and I'm having this big aha over it right now, that you have to allow yourself to feel, to then feel your intuition. And so many of us, even those of us who consider ourselves empaths or super intuitive, have habits of numbing out, scrolling Instagram, me this morning, eating Nerds Clusters, the candy, while drinking a Starbucks Mocha, like, double sugar in one moment, like, numbing out to things. But if we're doing that, you know, for some people, it's binging Netflix,

• 31:20Jamie Kern Lima?

  or whatever it might be. If we are not allowing ourselves to feel, whether it's intentionally or not, how are we gonna feel our intuition?

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 31:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  Huge. That's huge.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Jamie Kern Lima?

  Because I guarantee, because we're all human, is so many of the people that that really write in and they're like, Jamie, I really am trying to hear my intuition. I'm not hearing it, not feeling it, you know, and yet, I think now more than ever with technology at our disposal, social media, with everything, it's just so easy to not feel. Also, look what's happening in the world everywhere. So many of us like don't want to feel.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah.

• 32:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  And then we're blocked, if we're not feeling all of it, we're not feeling our intuition.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, you need to open up to all of it. You can't pick and choose your emotions.

• 32:15Jamie Kern Lima?

  How do you, as someone who is, you know, advanced and opening up to all of it, how do you protect yourself from being open to the stuff you you don't want to, you don't want to take on that, you know, ice just had a raid, or this happened, or that, or injustices of the world, or whatever's going on, that it's just so much.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  How do you, or in, you know, it's all around us, whether someone watches the news or not, you go to school or the grocery store, you're seeing stuff everywhere. So how do you open, how do you protect yourself as well?

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a great question. It's very layered, and I've done different things throughout my life. And I I'm very empathic, very open to energy. I think we're all empaths, by the way. I think every, everybody listening to this right now, we're all empathic to a certain degree. And I think that there can be times when we need to protect ourselves, and I have certain protection practices that I do, like I'll encase myself in a white light. You know, I can remember when I was pregnant with my first child, you know, everybody would come up to me and they would tell me their birth story. And I don't know why, but.

• 33:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  Like the tough ones too?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  The, oh yeah, like it was, and I, I mean, I firmly believe that women, you know, can hold space for other women. I love women's circles. I run women's circles and I think it can be so healing for women to open up about all, all kinds of things, including their traumatic birth stories. When I was pregnant though, I was like, I don't want to take on this energy. You know, I want to go through this process on my own terms with my own expectations. And so I had the habit of any woman who approached me, I would just immediately like, put a white light around myself.

• 34:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  And you would just visualize that?

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Just visualize it, just visualize it. And then I got really good and I've always been very hard, very challenged by uncomfortable conversations, but I got really good at setting boundaries and just saying, you know, thank you for sharing this with me. I'm not in the position to hear this right now. I'd love for you to come back to me, you know, after I have this baby and we can share our birth stories together. And so for me, saying something like that is excruciatingly hard. And so really learning to say and state boundaries in a way that respected myself and the other person, preserved the relationship and also

• 34:46Speaker 01

  with that white light around me. So there's practices that I think we can do and you know, some of it might be, I say this with all the practices, like the white light, some of it's placebo. Like I'm a researcher at heart and it's like the placebo effect is the greatest miracle in research, in my opinion, that you can just like take this pill that is a sugar and you can get well. And so maybe the white light is actually really working. Maybe it's just that you have energetically or mentally said to yourself, I am going to protect myself from this person somehow. I'm going to put a shield up.

• 35:22Jamie Kern Lima?

  Right.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Now, I will say, now that I'm older, I do a lot of clearing practices. So I don't

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Prevent the energy from coming in. Instead, I have practices at night that I use that will help clear my energy. And so I might say to myself, wow, I'm feeling this thing right now. Is it mine or is it somebody else's? And a lot of us, half the time, it'll be somebody else's. And we might not even know, you might just have an encounter with somebody at the grocery store who's in a bad mood and you pick up that that mood from them. And then all of a sudden, you're like, wow, why am I so angry? Is this mine or is this somebody else's? Wow, this isn't mine. I'm gonna let it go, I'm gonna put it down.

• 36:08Jamie Kern Lima?

  How do you, what are your clearing practices that you do typically?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Uh, well, for my clearing practices, sometimes I'll just take, like, I'll just think about my third eye and I'll think about some emotion that's with me that's not mine. And I just kind of like, like clearing the fog. Right, I learned this from a spiritual teacher. And you just clear the fog and you just clear it off. I mean, I'll also use like dried herbs, like sage or Palo Santo. Uh, I also like just standing in the shower and just like, again, visualizing kind of light with that water, like clearing me off. Jumping in the ocean, I live near the ocean, so if I feel really like I can't get an energy off of me, I go jump in the ocean. I love doing that.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Also great for your crystals, for people who have crystals and want to cleanse them, just put them in the ocean. So there's different like clearing practices that I use. And a lot of it just starts with, is this mine or is this somebody else's?

• 37:06Jamie Kern Lima?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Uh, you talk about your crystals in your book a lot.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:11Jamie Kern Lima?

  For crystals, can you, do you need to clear all of them, by the way? Do you, can you put them out in the moonlight and they clear? Do they take on energy? How do you know all of this?

• 37:19Speaker 01

  They, they take on energy and sometimes you can actually feel it, like when you hold a crystal, you'll feel it like vibrating, like it'll almost feel like it's shaking. And you're like, oh, that one, that one needs some clearing. And so you can put it in the moonlight, you can put it in the ocean. There's certain crystals that never need to be cleared. Citrine and cyanite never need to be cleared. So that's why citrine is like an amazing crystal because you just, I have citrine all over my house.

• 37:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  How do people know it doesn't need to be cleared? Is it like measured with frequency or how does that work?

• 37:50Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, it's like measured, again, like I just feel it. And I think people have just worked with these crystals for so long that like citrine, you'll never feel citrine in your hand wanting to jump out of it. And so, you know, that's, these are ancient practices that people have just like observed these stones. It's just like astrology, they just observe the stars for eons.

• 38:12Jamie Kern Lima?

  Is it the ones that need to, is it the ones that absorb things that then need to be cleared? Or do they, can they all absorb things? Or do some just emit?

• 38:20Speaker 01

  I think they all absorb things and the citrine like just clears it, goes in and out of it.

• 38:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  In and out, got it.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's what you want to be like, like when you're, like I always tell this to healers, like healers, they want to take on people's energy. They just want to take it on and then know how to, should roll off of them like water off a duck, you know, the energy. Because that's what makes great healers amazing is that they can take on people's energy. They can feel what that person's going through and they know exactly what they need to be healed. And so that's why I love citrine, because citrine does that.

• 38:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Have you always been into, well, let me back up for a minute because I want to ask you some of the basics, some of the one-on-one stuff for people who are either new to it or need a refresher to it. So can you share your favorite, your favorite spiritual practices and healing practices? And including for anyone listening at home, why astrology, what astrology does and why you believe in its power? And also lunar cycles, natal charts, all of it.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  All of it, all of it. Okay, how much time do you have?

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Okay, so my favorite practices, I would say, is just meditation. I, I just, my wish for the world is that everybody meditated, even for five minutes a day. And there's no right or wrong meditation. There's no better one. You can listen to a guided meditation. You can do transcendental meditation where you just repeat phrases over and over again. You can count the breath. That's a great meditation. So it can be simple. It can be elaborate. My preferred choice is Vipassana. I love Vipassana meditation. That's where you do body scans. You just sit and do the body scan. And I love meditation because it gets us into our feeling. It gets us into the sensations of our body. It gets us into our intuition. So if you're still sitting there going, okay, wait, how do I feel my emotions again?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Put down the phone and sit and meditate and breathe with yourself. They will come up over time.

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• 44:35Speaker 01

  So if you're still sitting there going, okay, wait, how do I feel my emotions again? Put down the phone and sit and meditate and breathe with yourself. They will come up over time. And so, you know, and this is, has nothing to do with astrology. You can be into astrology, not into astrology to meditate. And you just need even five minutes counts. It's like putting pennies in a jar, five minutes a day, and you're just collecting that. And then you get to regulate your nervous system. And from there, it's like you could figure anything out.

• 45:04Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm, I want to say to you, in your book, one of the things I love, when you guys get Spirit Daughter home and you, and you start to read it, when we go through your journey of the things you go through, what I love is you'll incorporate in your journey, you'll explain to us when this happened and this was like the, you know, what hit the fan and this, and then I'm now box breathing. And you explain, you explain your meditation practices and, and, and, and the impact of them through your journey and also how you're handling things and evolving into the person you are today. So I just want to share that too, that I love that you sort of bring us into real life situations and how you apply these tools. Okay, keep going. Okay, meditation.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And people have asked me that about Spirit Daughter, like, is it a book on astrology? I'm like, it's anything more of a book on meditation and how to do it and how to apply it in some really crazy situations that I applied it in and used it to keep myself sane, centered, and calm and with my emotions. I went through a very emotional time and I could have just ejected. You know, I could have just ran and escaped and done all the things we do to escape from our emotions. And instead I sat and I breathed with it all. And that really helped me ultimately become who I am. And so meditation, everyone, just meditate.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  And then, you know, towards the end of the book, I talk about how I really wanted to start committing to my life again. I always had one foot in, one foot out. And so there was a time in my life I was Couch surfing. I didn't want to sign a lease. I was really protecting myself, or I thought I was protecting myself. And I realized that I was actually abandoning myself. I was abandoning who I was and what I really needed by shying away from commitments of any kind. And so, you know, I went from somebody who didn't want to commit to anything to, you know, building Spirit Daughter. And I did that through harnessing the lunar cycles. And so I started working with the new moon.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  So the lunar cycle is the cycle that we watch the moon go through every month. So new to first quarter, half moon to full moon to last quarter, another half moon, back to new. And so it's a twenty-nine and a half day cycle. It happens every month, so you can count on it. You can set your watch by it. I think some watches actually have it in there built in, you know, for the lunar cycle. And so I started saying, okay, on the new moon, I'm going to set some intentions. I'm going to see my future. I'm going to let myself dream. Because I was so in the moment, and in the moment is great. We want to be present with ourselves. We want to live in the moment. But I was like, couldn't think about anything other than getting through that day.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  And so I wanted to give myself permission to dream and have a future and say, okay, what do I want my life to be? Do I want kids? Do I want that house with a picket fence? Do I want another partner? My first divorce was so traumatic. Do I want to get married again? And so the new moons gave me that permission to set intentions and to dream. And then every new moon, I'd check back in with myself. So once a month, it was like accountability partner. And I would say, okay, do I still want this dream? Do I still want to put attention towards this dream? Because ultimately, our attention is what manifests everything. And it's like you were talking about, everything's trying to distract us and we're scrolling and this and that, and we're giving our attention away.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  When we put our attention towards our dreams, we can manifest them. And for me, the new moon was my guide in that. The lunar cycles helped me become accountable to myself and helped me dream and helped me return to myself each month and say, okay, what, what is it that I really want? What vision do I want to put my attention towards now?

• 49:01Jamie Kern Lima?

  And you know, if you just needed like a marker, someone could do the first of the month, the last of the month. So what is it that's special about lunar cycles? Why should someone listening care about them?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Well, the new moon is when the sun and the moon are together in the sky. So they're at the exact degree in a certain sign. And so there'll be, that's why we have like the new moon in Aries, the new moon in Taurus. The new moon is always in the sign of the astrological season. So most of us know the astrological season, like if it's Aries season, Taurus season, Gemini season, and the babies who are born during that time become that sun sign, right? So if a baby is born during Aries season, it's an Aries sun sign. And that's where a lot of people kind of stop. And they're like, oh, you know, that's what the horoscopes were built off of is the season and the sun sign. So the new moon happens when the sun and the moon are together in the sky in that sign, right,

• 49:56Speaker 01

  of the season. And so if it's Aries season, we have the Aries new moon. And so this creates this dark moon. We don't see the moon, right? It's completely dark. And so in the ancients, when they started practicing with the new moon, it was completely dark, right? There was before lights. So think about what it would look like outside, right? With no artificial light on a new moon. It would be pitch dark, except for the stars. And so that was said to be the time to go within, to stay in, right? You wouldn't go out and party, right? You wouldn't gather with your, your friends, your hunter gatherer friends on a new moon because it was so dark. I mean, maybe you'd do some stargazing, but you know, so you

• 50:36Speaker 01

  go within, you stay inside, and then you can hear your intuition more because you don't have distractions, because you don't have things going on. You're inside, you're maybe alone, maybe with your family, and you can go inward to a deeper level. And so on a new moon, it's said that we have the capacity to go inward, that the veil between the conscious and the unconscious drops. And then we can really hear our intuition. We're not distracted by light or gatherings or anything else. And then we can decide, or at least start to have a vision of what it is we really, really want from deep within.

• 51:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  And then when it comes to astrology, you know, there's a lot of people that go, how can one twelfth of the population have this exact horoscope and all be the same? And what do you say to someone who who thinks that about the power of astrology? And what it can do for you, what it can do for you right now, listening?

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I will say the horoscopes, I don't necessarily read a lot of horoscopes. They're based on your sun sign and we have a natal chart. So our natal chart is a picture of the sky when we were born. So not just where the sun is, horoscopes are based usually on your sun sign. So where the sun is, where the moon is, the rising sign, those are your big three. Right? So most people, when they first get into astrology, they learn their big three, the sign that was rising on the horizon when they were born, where the moon was, the sun. And then we also have a Venus sign, a Mars sign, a Mercury sign, we have lunar nodes. So it's really complex. It's a very complex picture and you don't have to know every part,

• 52:23Speaker 01

  but you just want to know that it's a complex picture of the energy of the universe when you were born. And so when we're born and we have our first breath, we take in that energy of the universe. And that becomes part of who we are. I say part because I always believe in free will, no matter what. So I'm not like a doomsday astrologer. I'm not like, oh, you're this sign, you have to be like this kind of thing. I believe we have free will. I like to look at the chart and why I think it is beneficial for anybody as a framework of evolution. So you can look at that and you can say, like I said in the beginning, I'm a Leo sun. Leo suns are here on this lifetime to embrace and understand vulnerability.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  So it's not that I know everything about Leos already. It's not that I've come into this world having mastered the energy or the themes of that sign. I can say, oh, I'm a Leo and I have this opportunity to reach my potential through a very vulnerable, visible, right, Leo. Are like one of the most visible of the astrological signs, you know, situation. And so I'm going to go for it. I'm going to say, all right, I'm going to believe in astrology that this is part of my evolution, part of my growth, and I'm going to embrace this vulnerability and lean on my Leo side. So I like to look at our astrology or needle chart as a pathway for evolution.

• 53:53Jamie Kern Lima?

  When you do a needle chart, is it down to like,

• 53:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  is your, is every person's individual needle chart down to the day, the year, the location, the time, like the exact time of day down to the minute they were born? And they would have theirs. And so, and so, you know, if, if, if I was researching this earlier and saw like on average, like 260 people are born every minute in the world. So would that mean that 260 people have that energy of that exact minute? That exact minute that they're taking on? And then they combine that with genetics plus free will and it sort of becomes who they are.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  For, to a certain degree, because they're going to be in a different location. And so dependent on which hemisphere in your location, that's going to change your rising sign, which your rising sign starts your entire chart. So they might all have the same sun sign, moon sign, Venus sign, all the planets, same lunar nodes, but they might exist in different houses. And so your chart, if you've ever seen a chart, it looks like a pie and there's 12 slices of the pie. And those are your houses, those are areas of your life. So your chart has signs, it has planets replacements, and it has houses. And so all those 260 people would have the same planets that in the same signs, they might be in different houses depending on their location.

• 55:20Jamie Kern Lima?

  So no two people are ever the same.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Well, if they're born in the same location, they would be.

• 55:25Jamie Kern Lima?

  At the same minute.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  At the same minute.

• 55:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  They'd have to be like same hospital.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yes, or like same time zone.

• 55:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  Same time zone.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, not even same time zone, same hemisphere and time zone.

• 55:36Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  So like, everybody born in this moment in California right now would have the same chart.

• 55:42Jamie Kern Lima?

  Same chart. And can people learn more about Nadel Charts at spiritdaughter.com also?

• 55:47Speaker 01

  They can, yeah, absolutely can.

• 55:48Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, it's fascinating. With you and your own journey, I've had people on the show, all different beliefs, all different faiths, no faith, like all different political beliefs, vote different, love different. I love it all.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 56:01Jamie Kern Lima?

  Actually, I really believe this, Jill. I feel like, I feel like if we don't have, you know, open conversations with people who vote different than us and believe different, even if we think they are nuts, like I have family, I'm like, what in the world? How could you possibly vote that? I just, you know. But I feel like if we don't have conversations with people that have all different beliefs, like, how can we ever help heal humanity through love? Like, so I just, I love, so I'm fascinated also to learn in your journey, what you share. You go so deep in the book. I said to Jill, right when we were walking in here, I said, I'm gonna let you decide how much you share, because your book, I mean, you go, I was shocked how, I love it, I love it, because, you know, even for, whether someone in your community right now

• 56:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  has followed your work for a long time, loves you already, or they're new to meeting you today, they're gonna get to know you, they're gonna get to know you at a whole other level. But in your journey, I'm curious, you know, because obviously millions of people right now look to you for inspiration for, for their, on their own journey toward, you know, spirituality, or enlightenment, or just happiness, and joy, and freedom, and power, and expansiveness, and all of those things. In your own journey, what role, right now, if any, does faith or belief in God play? Like, how do you define God?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  That's a good question. So I talk about in the book that I did grow up Catholic. And I had a lot of questions about the church and God. And I think I even say in one line, like, a lot of people find answers and even comfort in religion. I found nothing but questions that went unanswered. And so I would not say that I am a Catholic. And I told my mother when I was 12 that I was not Catholic and she needed to get me out of Catholic school. And she, she listened. Now, I will say, my grandmother was very, very religious and my entire life. And she really taught me a lot of ways. And she would always say, like, you know, you may not know why things are happening, and you just need to trust. And you, you know,

• 58:13Speaker 01

  everything has a meaning, everything has a higher purpose, and you just have to trust that. And that came from her faith. And for me, I still believe those, those pieces. And I, it's not that I don't believe in God, I just think about it differently. I think about God more as energy and the universe, and the universe that we're all held within. And it's not somebody or something that I'm necessarily praying to. It's just an energy that holds everything. And I even define and talk about the Akashic Field, which is the energetic matrix and spirituality.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  And to me, that feels more like a godlike figure than traditional god by a religion.

• 59:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  With Akashic records and all of that with that, you talk about in your book, like, keeping records of everyone's soul and things like this. Do you believe that is real? And can you explain what that is?

• 59:14Speaker 01

  I do, I do believe that is real. The Akashic Field is a matrix of energy that holds everything. Right? So we, we know we're, we're energetic beings. I mean, when we really zoom out and think about it, we're like, we're energy sitting here on this planet that's energy, that's spinning around the sun, that's energy, that's flying through a solar system that's made of other planets. And it's all Energy at the and this isn't like energy from like a woo woo or even a spiritual. I mean, it's energy from physics like this is for all energy at at the core of of who we are, of our actual physical matter is energy. And so, you know, when we think about energy and energy connecting, it creates a field,

• 59:56Speaker 01

  creates an energetic field and you can ask an electrician this and they'll define it for you. You know, electricians are always working with energetic fields. And so, again, it's like kind of taking the spirituality almost out of it and bringing it down to like matter and particles, right? So, anything that is energetic is going to create an energetic field. And then when you have all of these beings creating an energetic field in this universe with all these planets, it's like it's all connected. And so it creates this web of energy. And so all the fields are connected at some point. And that in essence is what the Akashic field is. And it holds the history of all the energy that is connected.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  And so that's where the records come in because energy cannot be destroyed. It just changes form. And so we're still working with the energy that originally, you know, created, came from the big bang and then it all it just evolved into different forms and different forms and different forms. But that energy and quantum physics is, you know, proving this stays connected throughout time and space forever. And so that's what creates the Akashic field and the Akashic records.

• 1:01:10Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you think our soul goes back into energy? And then what do you think happens from there?

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  I do. I do think that we're energetic beings and our soul goes back when we take another form. And so in a lot of ways, I do believe in traditional reincarnation in that in an energetic sense. And that we've

• 1:01:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  Would it be human form again, or it could be any other form?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, any other form, whatever our soul needs. Like, I believe we, our soul is really the essence, is the energy that is part of our body that is on an evolution this lifetime. And so, everything that we attract, we bring in, our astrology, why we chose to be born at a certain time and date, is, is all about our energy evolving and what it needs and wants for its energetic evolution. Every mistake, every challenge, everything.

• 1:01:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  And who or what do you think created all of that energy?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  I wish I knew.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's, that's the big question, right? That's the question that religion's been trying to answer forever.

• 1:02:14Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Jamie Kern Lima?

  With, um, you know, it's interesting with, uh, when it comes to our own knowing or our own intuition. I was curious about, I was thinking about this, uh, reading your book as well. You know, if, let's say, let's say you have a knowing that, about the Akashic field, and you have a knowing that feels like that's true. And let's say I have this knowing that God is real. In a traditional Christian sense, let's say. Does that mean one of our knowings is wrong?

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:49Jamie Kern Lima?

  If we both have that knowing?

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:52Jamie Kern Lima?

  Say more.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think it's wrong. I think that we all have different perspectives, and that's how I look at everything. So, even when we look at all the different religions, even when we look at all the different spiritual modalities. So, when we look at everything from acupuncture to Ayurvedic medicine, these lenses that we're looking at humans through, every religion, it's all just a different lens. Right? So, it's like, we're all, we're all correct. Like, I think everything, there's a grain of truth in everything. And it's just how we're all trying to explain and understand human consciousness, why we're here, what we're doing. We're all trying to answer this, these same existential questions.

• 1:03:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yes.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Through a different lens. And I don't think anything is wrong. I don't think anything's a hundred percent right either.

• 1:03:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  When people, do you feel that more and more people are drawn or come to you? Um, because they're looking for those kind of answers and like they're looking for fulfillment or they're looking for um, a more evolved sense of meaning?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah. I think they are. I mean, I think people find astrology, they find spirituality because they are looking for meaning in their lives. They are looking for, um, you know, answers to these existential questions that I started asking when I was 12 years old. You know, we all want to know, like, why are we here? What are we doing? What am I supposed to be doing with my life? And I think a lot of people look to astrology for those answers because it can give them a framework, it can give them some direction. Maybe they feel lost and they can say, oh, I'm an Aries sun. Aries are bold and courageous. They like to initiate things. I'm a starter. Perhaps I should find a career where I could use

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  those things. It gives them a jumping off point in a lot of ways to experiment and try and figure out who they are.

• 1:04:54Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm. Right now, we are in, you know, 2026, we are in the newer part of the new year and so many people are excited about the year of the fire horse.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Jamie Kern Lima?

  And can you share for someone listening, like, what does it mean? You've gone in on your, on, on your, your Instagram too, about different layers of it and different parts of it. What do you say? What, what should we know about the year of the fire horse and what this means for us?

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  The year of the fire, everybody is so excited about the year of the fires. I've never seen people more excited about any, any other. I, our joke and spirit daughter is next year is the year of the fire goat. So I'm like, I wonder how people are gonna like that one.

• 1:05:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  Is it really the fire goat?

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  So yeah, the fire horse, you know, it's a, it's a year of new beginnings this year. It's a universal one year and we're in Aries season. So this is why I chose March 2021. Fourth to launch the book in every season in a universal one year in the year of the fire horse. And so the fire horse just gives us that momentum. But you know, everybody's been talking about like charging forward and going for it. And we just left the year of the snake, which was all about introspection and shedding and letting go of things. And the fire horse is like, okay, now you're ready. And so I think that really resonated with a lot of people where they felt like last year, which was a nine year as well, which nine is all about completion in

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  in numerology. And so I think they really felt like they completed a cycle last year. They shed something, they shed a layer. And this is the year for rebirth. And so that fire horse is just like, okay, let's move forward. Let's move forward, though, with an open heart. And that was one of the things I was really sharing on my Instagram is like, horses are amazing beings. Right? They they just they have this openness. Like, I don't know if you've done any or heard of like equine therapy where, you know, they people have these amazing breakthroughs, you know, just with these horses, merging energy with these horses. It's said that their heart

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  has is a field, an energetic field, five times larger than humans. And so they're just amazing beings. So I think that's really important to remember is yes, charge forward. Yes, go after your dreams. Yes, use that momentum, that fire to push you forward and do it with an open heart.

• 1:07:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm. That's so beautiful. You know, many years ago, when I was working in television news as anchor and reporter, I was out doing a story for multiple days at this, it was a horse rescue ranch, and they paired rescued horses that had gone through abuse that were rescued. And they paired them with kids that had gone through abuse, a lot of kids that wouldn't speak to adults about anything. And I'll never forget Jill, like, literally, I was maybe 100 yards away, and I was filming.

• 1:07:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  The, you know, where they would introduce the kids to horses and they would kind of do their own thing and they just would let them be and they'd pair one kid with a horse. And I'll never forget, like, I just remember just sobbing, like, just sobbing, watching. There was a girl who had gone through horrific things and she was a young teen and she'd never spoken to an adult about it. She was just telling everything to a horse. And then she would just lay on the horse and the horse would lay down in the field and she'd like put her head on the, on the horse and they would just like, and I just remember watching it and for me, it was one of the first times in my life I felt like I ever felt God's presence. I was just like, whoa, I just remember just like sobbing. But yes, to your point, horses are magnificent.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:08:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  Magnificent.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yes, and that's the part I want everybody to really remember this year is that, because so many people are just like, "Charge forward, go, go, go." And it's like, no, remember that softness, that feminine side. I feel like the masculine side is getting really thrown about, especially on Instagram, which is that like, you know, "Go, go, go." And there's a softness to these horses and an openness and just this amazingness to them.

• 1:09:10Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, you know, when we talk about, you talk about layers of awakening. Can you talk about the layers?

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Jamie Kern Lima?

  Of awakening?

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Yes. So it all started, somebody texted me right before I started writing this book and they were like, "Can you explain spiritual awakening to me?" And I was like, "Well, that's a book." And so I think a lot of people think of spiritual awakening as this like a moment of clarity where you're just, all of a sudden, you're enlightened, you know who you are, you know what to do, you're like, "Ah, the clouds part, you know, everybody sings." And really what I found in my journey was that it was layers of awakening. And a lot of it was not fun, not perfect, not angelic in any way. It was, you know, awakening to pain, awakening to where I needed to forgive others, where

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  I needed to forgive myself, awakening to patterns.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  That I held situations that I was choosing over and over again to reinforce old patterns, old limiting beliefs, right? We choose our limiting beliefs until we become aware of them. And so, you know, awakening is steps and it's not just about this like perfect moment that happens because you read an inspirational quote. I love it when people read my quotes and, and write them and have them on their post-it notes around their homes. And awakening comes through a lot more than just that.

• 1:10:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, I think that's really important to call out. One of the, one of the layers you talk about in your book that I think a lot of people are gonna relate to is when you say that we unconsciously recreate the emotional patterns we grew up with, even when they're hurting us. Can you share a little bit about that? Cause I did that. I dated that many times, but yeah.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  I think we all dated that. I married that. First marriage, I always have to say that because my second marriage is wonderful and totally different. But yes, so I grew up in a, in a household that, you know, the emotional temperature was anxiety, you know, it was just there. And so I, in a lot of ways, was addicted to anxiety and because it was normal. It was comfortable. And so our brains are trained to choose the familiar. It's how we evolved. The familiar equals safe to our brains. So our brains aren't like, oh, let's have you build this amazing career and like become your most enlightened self. Our brains are like, let's just keep you safe. Let's

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  just get you to the next day. Like in the most primal point. And so we will choose the known over the unknown until we recognize the pattern and become aware of it and awaken to it and break that pattern. Because the comfort, our comfort zones feel safe, even, even if they're not safe. Like I was in a relationship that was definitely not safe, but I kept choosing it over and over again because it It felt normal. It felt like a comfort zone. It felt like, oh, this relationship is giving me anxiety. Anxiety is normal to me. This is my baseline. This is what feels comfortable.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  And so I was choosing it over and over again. And I think that's really, really powerful to understand that we choose these patterns. We choose these patterns because they're comfort, not because we want to punish ourselves or because we're terrible people. We choose them because our brains are wired to choose the familiar.

• 1:12:53Jamie Kern Lima?

  And we don't even realize we're doing it, right?

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Don't even realize.

• 1:12:55Jamie Kern Lima?

  Sometimes we're like, why do I keep having a friend that just doesn't show up for me the way I show up for them? Why can't I make good friends as an adult? Or why do I keep dating people that just mistreat me? Or, and we, we think it's like bad luck or something like that. But it's like, when you really start to understand this, and you do such a good job, talking about so many of these things in Spirit Daughter, it's like, oh, wait, that's what's comfortable to me. And I'm probably subconsciously thinking that's what I'm worthy of, that's what I'm comfortable around, or whatever it might be. So, you say we're biologically set up to forget our own amazingness. So can you explain that? And also, you know, for the person listening right now who's like,

• 1:13:37Jamie Kern Lima?

  huh, have I even thought about my own amazingness? Do I even think I have amazingness at all? Can you, can you share about this? This is so inspiring.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, there's so many parts of us and our biology that are absolutely amazing. Like, the fact that we're just breathing right now without thinking about it is amazing. Like, there's so many little things. The fact that we have this brain that can set up these patterns, we can change, we can become conscious of it. We can have discussions about so many different things. Like, who else can, and what other species can sit here and have a discussion about consciousness and God and religion? Like, that alone is amazing. And then we have this amazing brain that... Is set up to filter out so much. And so I think that's the piece that a lot of people don't understand is there's so much happening around us.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  There's so much stimuli happening. There's lights, there's, there's a whole energy happening. And this isn't like energy woo woo spiritual. You know, there's just tons, tons happening. Our brain is evolved to filter most of it out. Most of the information around you, you filter out because it literally would like make your brain explode if you took it all in. And so that's what I meant by we're biologically set up to filter out our amazingness because we're biologically set up to focus on threats, to focus on survival, to say, okay, we're going to scan a room for threats when we could scan a room for opportunities. And so when we set intentions, we're programming our brain.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Our brain has this amazing filter on it called the reticular activating system or RAS. And so this filter, you know, we can program it. And so its default mode is set to filter in things for survival. So it's going to look for threats. It's kind of like a bouncer at a club or it's like, oh, you look okay. You don't look okay. I'm going to let you in. You need to stay out. You're shady. You know, that's its default mode, but we can actually change it. And that's part of what makes us so amazing is we can say, hey, filter, why don't you expand? We're safe. I'm going to use meditation to regulate my nervous system. Everything's safe. You can expand. Stop scanning for threats. Scan for opportunities for this vision I want to create. I have this vision of my life.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  I want to manifest it. I'm going to sit and rehearse it in my mind so it feels familiar when it happens because your brain won't know the difference between what you envision and reality. And so when we visualize things over and over again, when they start to manifest and happen in reality, our brain goes, oh, that's safe. I know that that is now familiar. And then we start that RAS expands and we can start scanning the environment for opportunities to actually manifest that vision in reality.

• 1:16:32Jamie Kern Lima?

  That is so powerful what you just said. I want to make sure you guys don't miss what Jill just said because the way we were talking about how, oh, we're familiar with someone treating us horrible, which is why we keep dating the same dude over and over, whatever it is, the same way, because that's familiar. That's what's comfortable. So powerful what you just said. You said the things you want, the things you, when you visualize them over and over, you imagine them, you like, that starts to also become familiar or comfortable in your brain, which then makes sense why people say visualization helps with manifestation of things. I remember sitting in the QVC parking lot after being told no for years and literally being like on the verge of bankruptcy for so long, trying to keep our company alive and then

• 1:17:15Jamie Kern Lima?

  getting one big shot on QVC. And I sat in that parking lot the entire week beforehand. I imagined the sold out sign coming up across the screen. I imagined all these things, like the way I imagined like an Olympic athlete would like envision landing a triple axel or whatever it is. And, and it's interesting that I've, I've never thought of it this way though, until you just said that, that it becomes then familiar to us, which is part of the power of visualization. I've never thought of it that way before. I've always believed it worked, but it's starting to make so much more sense, the way you explained it, which is, which is beautiful. So, okay. Spirit Daughter is out now, this much anticipated book. Millions of people turn to Jill Wintersteen's

• 1:17:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Spirit Daughter for inspiration for their own journey of spiritual awakening and enlightenment and joy and their best life. And so, just to ask you, for the person at home who's like, huh, I think I might pick that book up. What, what would you tell them they should get ready for and can expect when they get Spirit Daughter home?

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  I think that they should expect to get a page turner of a self-help book. Cause that's how it's been told to me. The memoir part is quite a page turner where you want to know what happens. And it is the messy, chaotic, traumatic in a lot of ways to me, part of my journey that I feel is very inspirational. And I want people to read this book and say, oh, wow, I got to the end and now I'm starting to figure out who I am. And if Jill went through all of that and became who she is, I can also.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Make my dream a reality. I can manifest my dream. And so I wanted to really empower people. Like, we chose that title, you know, Own Your Power, Change Your Life. Like, that's, that's what I want. I want people to read this book and be inspired and empowered to change their lives in any direction they choose.

• 1:19:19Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, we are going to link to the book on our site. We're also going to link to Jill Wintersteen to SpiritDaughter.com, SpiritDaughter.com, which has so many resources, including all of the, the tools that we've already talked about and a lot more, including your app, your courses, all the things that you offer the world. Thank you so much for sharing a little sneak peek of your book with us, but also of your heart and your story. And I'm excited for you. Congratulations on Spirit Daughter.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you so much.

• 1:19:50Jamie Kern Lima?

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