Paul and Todd of Everyday Driver!

It's Paul Schmucker and Todd Deeken of Everyday Driver! They tell us about life with their long-term C8 Corvette; Lotus ownership; owning 2 Caymans (and how that IS and is NOT redundant); truck changes; tire recommendations; shorter gears vs bigger engines; and answer Patreon questions including: Does leading a driving adventure ruin the trip? Accidental horns in Lotus cars Cleaning tips to limit corrosion 981 Boxster S vs E92 M3 as a driver's car How cheap will Polestar 1's get? When will OEMs stop chasing power numbers? What do I set my tire pressures to? What do you keep in your daily driver? Is the $100k price for an air-cooled car worth it? How do I drive on a track that's COLD? Miata or Solstice GXP? Recorded November 20, 2025 https://www.everydaydriver.com SHOW NOTES Aura Frames For a limited time, visit https://www. AuraFrames.com and get $45 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter - by using promo code TIRE at checkout. Rula Thousands of guys have already used Rula to finally get the care they needed. Don’t keep putting it off - go to https://www. Rula.com/tire and get started today. Take the first step, get connected, and take control of your mental health. #sponsored CashApp Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/mfsirfru #CashAppPod and use our exclusive referral code SECURE10 in your profile, send $5 to a friend within 14 days, and you’ll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. #CashAppPartner New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  Heyo, happy Thanksgiving from the Smoking Tire and it's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Hopefully you're driving somewhere good this week and if you are, you're going to want to know about Off the Record because they are going to be out in full force trying to get you doing something a little nasty in your car. And if you get pulled over and ticketed for any reason whatsoever, you don't plead guilty. You need Off the Record. They will assign a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket and they will do everything they can to get those points off of your record. As you know, points on your license can affect your insurance, your employment and any number of other things. You don't want them, kids.

• 0:43Matt Farah?

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• 1:23Matt Farah?

  moss grows under their feet. These guys are running driving tours, track day tours. They own Hooked on Driving now, a full track day company, and they're doing videos and podcasts under the Everyday Driver brand. We talk about what's going on with their fleet, what's going on in their world, and we have a hell of a good time. It's Paul and Todd from Everyday Driver on the Smoking Tire Podcast. When you do see a friend and they've lost a bunch of weight and I'm like, "Oh dude, you look great." And they're like, "Yeah, it's supposed to be easy." Just like not eating and then shitting double what you would normally shit.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  That's why I hate gym influencers who are just, even like young people are on TRT and stuff and just shredded and huge, or 50-year-olds who are shredded and huge. And they're like, "No, I just eat real clean. I get a lot of sleep." Yes, those are important. However, however.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we all agree.

• 2:17Matt Farah?

  It takes a really long time when you do it old school. But yeah. Nice to see you guys. Do you remember Liver King?

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I'm so glad he fell.

• 2:25Matt Farah?

  The best.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  And everybody was so shocked when he was on stuff. It's like, "Really?" Really?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Some people were shocked. Some people were like, yeah.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly right. That was my feeling too. I was like, why are we surprised? You know, anyway.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  He's fallen way off every wagon and you hate to see it.

• 2:41Matt Farah?

  Dude, the Liver King and the MyPillow guy need to have a podcast.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  Can you imagine?

• 2:46Speaker 02

  That'd be fantastic, yes.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  There's a dollop about, a recent dollop about the MyPillow guy. It's a two-parter.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  And, oh, boy.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:53Matt Farah?

  That guy... Wow, okay.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  I had, I had a buddy who actually cleaned up his life, got in great shape, and he was just obsessed with the Liver King. And I was like, bud, the stuff you're doing's great, but are you, okay, I'm just gonna stay out of it. And then he got revealed and I was like, mm.

• 3:11Matt Farah?

  A little close to the sun, buddy.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  No, I, uh, I'm very lucky. I have a trainer.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  Shout out to FitLikeSean on Instagram, my trainer. Comes to you.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  That's great, yeah.

• 3:24Matt Farah?

  He's, I've, I've helped him a little bit, build out like a little va, his van with...

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  So you get in the van with Sean?

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  I have a gym at my house.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:32Matt Farah?

  But he trains, he'll train you at the park or the beach or wherever.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 3:35Matt Farah?

  He brings all this shit in the van.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:38Matt Farah?

  And, but it's like a real Tetris-ing, you know, of this, uh, of this, uh, uh, Ford Transit van.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  We're trying to get him to upgrade to a Sprinter eventually, but the Transit is working out pretty well, actually.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 3:52Matt Farah?

  For real. Sean rules.

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  You guys are, uh, here for ostensibly the auto show, but hopefully more fun things in the fucking auto show.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  The auto show where we got, which actually was really cool, just the people that we got to see and kind of help with that stuff, because we're not always in LA. And we get to see you, which is good. We get to see Zach, which is even better, because you don't always get to see Zach.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, exactly. We need to do more of the car version of like John Mulaney's Everybody's in LA.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  There you go, yeah.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  Show. That would actually be, that would be kinda fun.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  You do it on some of the press launches, though, which has been cool.

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  I ju, we just, I just did it at the Porsche one. It actually was a good time.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  And when we were all, was it Super Launch we were all together, I think?

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  That was forever ago, yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we did one then, too.

• 4:30Matt Farah?

  No, no. Summit Point.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Summit Point.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, Virginia.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember doing that, too.

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  It's a nice racetrack, but it, goddamn if it rains every single time I go there. Every time.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. We had good weather. We had good weather.

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  Did you?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. A Super was okay, but I think, I think I was there for Hellcat.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  I remember you were in the rain, yeah, for sure. We were on the Shenandoah, the shorter track. The short course.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  Shenandoah.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, but we were here for that, we were here for a Honda thing, so yeah, yeah, good to come in. This is that time of year we come in, because it starts snowing in Utah and a little harder to do sports cars on some tires.

• 5:08Matt Farah?

  Right, the transitional, you just go back when it's fully snowed and you can start skiing.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  It's called the shoulder season.

• 5:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  April and October, well, now through November, none of the resorts are open.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  No, it was a perfect time to be here, as we saw for the last five days.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, you guys got completely, yeah, deluged here.

• 5:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, we got, we got lightly hosed, a little fucked. What's funny is like, this last night too was real bad, and it was garbage day, yes, you know, today is garbage day, Friday is garbage day. And I live, have you guys been to the house?

• 5:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:39Matt Farah?

  To my house?

• 5:40Speaker 03

  I don't think so, no.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  Next time, we'll come for dinner.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Cool, love it.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  But we live at the top of a small hill, and the tarmac on the hills, it's pretty good. And you know, the roads in LA, they're crowned and the, and so the water, it really gets going. By the time you get to like mid-hill, it's cruising.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Taking out people's cans.

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  And so if it rains on a Thursday night and the cans are out.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Bro, I, I, when it started to rain, I went and checked my cans and was like, oh boy, and I moved them like two feet off the curb. Not everybody's so wise. So this morning, when I left the house to come down to the office, there's like thirty cans piled up at the bottom of the hill.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  You know, the trash guy just does the quarter and just goes, oh man.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, that sucks.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  Dude, it was so bad, it must have been just, just, just, just dominoes of garbage cans.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yuck.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  So bad. Did it fuck up your filming?

• 6:30Speaker 02

  No, we actually didn't film anything.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  No, yeah, we didn't film anything.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was the rare trip where we weren't filming, very, very rare.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  Curious.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  It's weird, yeah, I get to go on with carry-ons, it's crazy.

• 6:40Matt Farah?

  What is this?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  It's very strange.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  No car, no way into the carousel?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's been nice.

• 6:46Matt Farah?

  So what you're, but you, you acquired the, the track day business?

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, it'll be two years in February.

• 6:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  It's right, we talked about it last year at this time.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 6:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, Hooked on Driving.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Hooked on Driving is now our thing.

• 6:57Matt Farah?

  Sorry, I should have named it Hooked on Driving, excuse me.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 6:59Matt Farah?

  And it's, it was a fabulous organization before you acquired it.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  I appreciate it, yeah.

• 7:04Matt Farah?

  I have not had the pleasure of working with you guys since.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Understood.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  Take advantage of my friendly discount.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  There you go, there you go, yeah.

• 7:11Matt Farah?

  But has it, has it been going well?

• 7:14Speaker 02

  I mean, let's, let's be honest, we took over a company, my wife's joke was, does this feel weird? And I said, why? She said, you're a film major. And I was like, yeah, it feels weird. Cause so now we're suddenly running a company, which is very strange, not prepared for it, but, but excited about it. Year one was hard, really, really hard. And both things we were learning, things we thought should be changed, and then everybody's in your ear. Like, you should do these things, you should not do these things. And then you have the other crowd.

• 7:38Matt Farah?

  You gotta tell them now.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  You're changing stuff better.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Change.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  And then you have the crowd, which this is any business, any, any industry, we have the crowd who's also like, well, you can't change stuff. All change is bad. It's like, oh, God. So first year was hard, but second year's actually been a really cool uptick. We've got a great group of franchisees around the nation, which is awesome. So there's just been really good cohesion this year that we didn't feel first year, which I think is normal. I mean, it's our first experience doing something like this, but it feels like pretty normal to go through that, that struggle. So we're just really excited going into 2026. And we've traveled all over the nation, been to tracks that I've never been to before, which is really cool.

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  What, what gems have you discovered?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Hedge Hollow.

• 8:16Matt Farah?

  Excuse me?

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Exactly. Hedge Hollow, exactly right.

• 8:18Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 8:19Speaker 03

  Frodo owns it, right?

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Exactly. Everything, everything's round, it's awesome, yeah. No, it's a little over an hour.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  The term names are unpronounceable.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Really, really long. It's like an hour.

• 8:31Matt Farah?

  Seventy-five consonants and three Y's.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  It's an hour and a half southeast of Kansas City proper. And this guy whose actual worth begins with a B, decided to build himself a private racetrack. And he did it right around the time that Cota was being built. So he got all the latest and greatest things, including like digital flagging on his personal racetrack.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, just by copying?

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's just like, well, because, because when you have that kind of worth and you're building something, somebody says, well, the best version of whatever it is you're doing is this, right?

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  You call that Dubai-ing.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  So he was, then he was fully Dubai.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 9:02Matt Farah?

  D U B U Y.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  Dubai-ing.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's pretty good.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  A car has been Dubai-ed. A man's or anything.

• 9:08Matt Farah?

  That's.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  A car has been Dubai-ed.

• 9:10Matt Farah?

  How do you spell, do you, D U B A I apostrophe E D?

• 9:14Speaker 03

  It's a two I's.

• 9:15Matt Farah?

  But also D U B U Y, uh.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  That's Dubaied.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, okay. Yeah, the one with the apostrophe, yeah, yeah, cool.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  You can find it on Hooked on Driving as well, mid, uh, the Midwest region, and you can find it there too.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Their, their website needs more gallery.

• 9:29Matt Farah?

  Is there, is there like a Google Earth? Is there?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  There's, there is a really cool Google Earth, you can find it that way too. It's actually a really cool over, overhead view, but, so it's this guy's private track.

• 9:37Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  And he had it, and he has a bunch of McLarens, but he and his McLaren buddies, because there's actually a lot of money in Kansas City now with the Chiefs and all that, so.

• 9:44Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  He and his McLaren buddies would drive it, but they drove it so rarely that the track was always dirty and they couldn't get it rubbered in. So somebody finally told him, you need to start getting other people on this track.

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  So you're like goats. You're like goats.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Isn't it crazy?

• 9:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a crazy. I heard of goats.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Is he like, be gone, I don't want to see you ever again.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Well, no, he has to keep people on it regularly, and apparently he's actually a really good guy. So our Midwest region is now running in Hedge Hollow, and I mean, look at this thing.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Look at this layout.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  It's a serious track.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  What the fuck is this place?

• 10:12Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 10:13Matt Farah?

  For the record, it's rated 4.9 stars on Google.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's a phenomenal place in the middle of actual cornfields.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  So clubhouse is top left, so.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  Wow, look at you.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Northwest there, uh, 20 F1-style garages, so they've got, uh, living rooms, upstairs bedrooms, washer and dryer.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Full digital flagging for the whole track.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  It makes no sense. It's a no expense bear thing.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  As a private track.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  It was built as a private track. This owner owns a McLaren Solus.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Did he, but he, did he build all?

• 10:44Speaker 03

  He owns a Solus.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Construct all these buildings ahead of time?

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Originally, yes.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Because, I'll, I'll tell you one of the struggles with this track, and this is a crazy sentence. This is a track with no public bathroom structure.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

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• 13:05Matt Farah?

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• 13:47Matt Farah?

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• 15:11Matt Farah?

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• 15:19Speaker 02

  This is a track with no public bathroom structure because it was all condos and all the condos has laundry and a bathroom in it. So the concept of having a lot of people there and they just need a bathroom in the corner, where's the bathroom? There's no such thing. So all of this stuff was built. What's great, great is it is a great facility and so Lonnie and Marla run our Midwest region and they've kind of embraced this track. We're actually approached, they have looked on driving at the track. So it's been great.

• 15:43Matt Farah?

  Is this a full width track?

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:45Matt Farah?

  Full width, forty, has a forty feet track?

• 15:47Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable place. It's really, so that, you were asking for surprises.

• 15:51Matt Farah?

  Twenty-two, twenty-three corners?

• 15:51Speaker 03

  So the straightaway.

• 15:52Matt Farah?

  Damn!

• 15:53Speaker 03

  You can see the straightaway, left-hand side of your screen there, that was built

• 15:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's the runway.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  For the owner to land his jets. That's plural.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  So it's a pretty long.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  It's very long.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  It's a very cool track. So you're asking surprises, that's a good surprise.

• 16:08Matt Farah?

  This place rules!

• 16:09Speaker 03

  It's excellent.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  It's very cool.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:10Matt Farah?

  Dude, is this worth me coming to Kansas City to drive this racetrack with you guys?

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Possibly.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  I think it would be.

• 16:16Matt Farah?

  That's a fucking unbelievable looking racetrack.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  It's a really, it's a really, really cool track.

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  Is there elevation to this place or is it pretty flat?

• 16:21Speaker 02

  A little bit, a little bit.

• 16:22Speaker 03

  In the center, you can see down in the center, it's just kind of, I mean, that's the hollow parts.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  The right side, yeah, the right side.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  Through the trees down there, it gets, you know, low and then you kind of climb back out of it.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:32Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, right about there.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Left side of the track is pretty flat, but right side's got some, some dips and climb up.

• 16:36Matt Farah?

  Looks like that, you know what this reminds me of? Iskari.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  You guys been to Iskari in Spain?

• 16:40Speaker 02

  Have not, so much want, we want to go there.

• 16:41Matt Farah?

  This reminds me of that.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah!

• 16:44Speaker 02

  So it's really cool.

• 16:45Matt Farah?

  We should fucking rock out to Kansas City for this. Want you guys out there?

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Uh, we actually don't have twenty twenty-six schedules yet, but we'll let you know. All that stuff goes live in the next couple of weeks.

• 16:54Matt Farah?

  Do me a favor, rent a couple of shitters.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Matt, real quick, will you lift the mic?

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Been great stuff, yeah.

• 17:01Matt Farah?

  This, Zach, this bolt.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  New bolt time.

• 17:05Matt Farah?

  This bolt is, I don't know if it's the, if, I hope it's not like stripping out the arm, but this bolt is, you got a, tore. I need a torque wrench. I just gotta pull the wash out again. This is about, I need about a hundred and sixty pound feet on this fucking thing. Yeah. Alright, I'm sure that sounded really good through. Our listeners with those fucking big calf speakers were probably like, dude.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  What's happening on the podcast today?

• 17:30Matt Farah?

  Okay, but wow, okay, give me another gem. This is a great bit. What else you got?

• 17:35Speaker 02

  What do we have else that's a surprise, though? I mean, the ridge is great. I don't know if you're familiar with the ridge.

• 17:40Matt Farah?

  Is it Oregon or Washington? Which side of the border is?

• 17:42Speaker 02

  It's Washington. It's across the water from Seattle. The ridge is awesome. It's actually a really cool track.

• 17:48Matt Farah?

  I think, I think that we're going there for a road and track experiences event. We're doing a Pacific Northwest one this year.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  We like the ridge a lot. That's where we did Lemons races for three seasons. We did Lemons up there. Really liked the track.

• 18:02Matt Farah?

  Really fun.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Really superb.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  The top half of the track, the top half of the track is up on a ridge, actually on the ridge line. And so the left side, you're going around counterclockwise, the left side is actually the drop back down the hill to get into the flat part that is the front straight. So the top half of that picture you're looking at is all up on a big ridge line. And even that has a little bit of undulation to it.

• 18:21Matt Farah?

  It's a very cool track. And that bit at the bottom left that almost looks like a sex toy is, is a corkscrew. It actually is, yeah. It's a replica of the Laguna.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  Upper left corner, you come down, down the hill and then all the way around the full carousel.

• 18:35Matt Farah?

  It's a mini Laguna Seca corkscrew.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  It's pretty cool.

• 18:38Matt Farah?

  Did the F-type launch there? 2014?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Maybe, maybe, yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Really?

• 18:43Matt Farah?

  F-type R.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  Really?

• 18:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, the first one. Yeah.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 18:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we drove it one way. We drove Seattle to, to the track, to, to somewhere outside of the track and then got, left the cars, got on a seaplane back to Seattle.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cool. That's really cool.

• 18:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I was bitchin'.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, we didn't do that.

• 19:00Matt Farah?

  One of those Grumman shits, you know?

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 19:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, really.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Amphibious, was it?

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, seaplane.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  The goose, the Grumman goose, right?

• 19:10Matt Farah?

  Something, something like, sure. No, no, no, it wasn't Grumman. It wasn't Grumman. I remember it because I sat in the, it was a, um.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Or was it something?

• 19:17Matt Farah?

  It was a De Havilland.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Okay, so it was probably an otter on floats.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  It was, I don't know, twenty seats?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 19:24Matt Farah?

  Maybe? That's cool. That's really cool. And then we landed at the, like, our hotel was on the water and they landed us at the dock. I mean, it was pretty cool.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  So back when Jaguar had money to spend.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, and really cool, great looking cars to show.

• 19:37Matt Farah?

  Oh dude, when they launched the F-Type? That was big money.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  There was no expense spared, yeah, for sure.

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because that was Jaguar Land Rover. Did either of you go on the Range Rover launch in 2013?

• 19:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  That was, they rented Alman Giri for a week.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Back when they had money.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  I went on that.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  And they hadn't been hacked yet.

• 19:51Matt Farah?

  I went on that. It was only, I only was there one night. I didn't, you know, it was multiple waves. They had it for a week because it was like five, six waves, but like,

• 19:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 19:58Matt Farah?

  Dude.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  This is how we do it.

• 20:02Matt Farah?

  This place is fucking thirty-five hundred a night for a regular room.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were not getting invited to those at that point, yeah, for sure.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 20:10Matt Farah?

  That's what you wanna, when the brand, you might be though, because there's gonna be a new Jag.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Apparently.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Sure there is.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  They're gonna have to restart again because whatever happened last year, yeah, exactly.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 20:22Matt Farah?

  You know, if they turn that concept thing into like an actual car, like, it could be a cool looking car. Like, is a Morgan Aero Super Sports not a cool looking car?

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:35Matt Farah?

  You know, like,

• 20:36Speaker 03

  For some people?

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not a huge fan, but I take your point.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  For some.

• 20:40Matt Farah?

  I don't think we can be friends.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Okay, well, it's been nice seeing you.

• 20:43Matt Farah?

  You don't think a Morgan Aero Super Sports looks cool? You don't think it looks cool?

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Looks, looks cool, okay.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Not my favorite, but I see it, I see it.

• 20:50Matt Farah?

  You don't like a fucking little Cruella de Vil in your life sometimes?

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Everybody has their guilty pleasure car.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  The fans couldn't hear the door lock from the outside.

• 20:58Matt Farah?

  You ever drive one of them?

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Haven't actually, no.

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's why, that's why.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Because the ash frame and...

• 21:04Matt Farah?

  No, no, those are aluminum, these are aluminum.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  They're aluminum?

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  The Arrows are aluminum.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  They are, okay, alright.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you why, because it's when you, when you look over those fenders.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  It has a V8 with side pipes. It goes glub, glub, glub, glub, glub.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  And it has a high shoulder, a low windshield, and you, it's, you're, you're driving like a, like a, like a train down, it's just, it's pretty,

• 21:25Speaker 02

  I can see that, I can totally see that.

• 21:26Matt Farah?

  It's pretty good.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  It's pretty, I mean, you gotta admit that, that, think, just picture the view from the driver's seat in something like that. It's just going, when you, when you lay into the guy, it goes, "Grrrr", you know that, that?

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:39Matt Farah?

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. With the fenders, alright, alright.

• 21:43Matt Farah?

  It's right below your ear. And when you're up against, you know, a guard rail or something, a little, little K rail.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 21:51Matt Farah?

  It just bounces right back at you at the right angle.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Alright, you're selling me. I get it.

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  It's pretty good, dude.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  I'm just telling you, it's, I think you have to like that. I think you're required to.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't sign that form. I don't know. I'm sorry. But no, I'm wondering about the Jaguar, because it just, right now, it looks like it belongs in the same world as the Cybertruck. I was just like, what happened and what weird 8-bit thing is going on here in the real world?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  So how do you land that, you know?

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  You know how like for 10 years, everyone followed Tesla down the touchscreen rabbit hole? Like if Jaguar like accidentally was like the only brand who followed them down the Cybertruck rabbit hole?

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Now we're trying to correct.

• 22:28Matt Farah?

  This is better than that, though. I mean, it's, see, this angle, it's, this angle hides the bad bits, which are the flat front and the flat back.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:37Matt Farah?

  Side profile, this is, this is a, this is the Bentley Blue Train.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Okay, alright.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could see that. I mean, execution is everything.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Also having the door open is helping the shot.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  I mean, candidly, because otherwise it's just a big slab.

• 22:50Matt Farah?

  And the door's apparently clear on the other side. Yeah, no, the back, the back being the radiator from a Best Western hotel room is not.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  We all take inspiration from various places, you know? I mean, who knows? You know, Jaguar's money's tight, so they were, you know?

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  I make fun of Grand Seiko all the time, because they're always like, "This is inspired by the winter on Mount Iwate." And they're like, "This is inspired by the fish in the lake sewer." And I'm just like, "This is inspired by like a leaf I found on the hood of my car this morning."

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Yes. Marketing, yeah.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  This is, this is definitely hotel room mid-tier.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  I've seen that wheel design before. On the Audi Q8? Haven't you seen that wheel, that, that fin wheel design? I think it's an Audi e-tron.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Similar, yes.

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  The Q8 e-tron.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  You're probably right. It probably is an e-tron product now that you mention it, yeah.

• 23:40Matt Farah?

  It's pronounced "etron."

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Probably, probably, yes.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  See if the car company has to convince us on the website, a work of art.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Good call, Matt. Good call. Well done.

• 23:52Matt Farah?

  Man, did I nail that?

• 23:53Speaker 02

  You did nail that. Bravo. Bravo, well done. That's very good.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  That's fucking straight ripoff.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Oh my god. That's pretty amazing.

• 24:00Matt Farah?

  Pretty flagrant.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I mean, I hate to beat on the Jaguar drum again, but I just, I, what's going on here? And, you know, I mean, we're a long way from the F-Type at this point, and I'm very curious to see where it'll go.

• 24:09Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to hold until I see a real car. Not that I just hope, but, but yeah, that, that motel air conditioner shit is gonna go. That's no good. That's really, really bad.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Well, and it's such a, it was such a very grand, expensive redesign, and the whole world kinda went, what are you doing? You know, I just, I don't know, man.

• 24:27Matt Farah?

  It's like when Costanza does, learns to do the opposite.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:32Matt Farah?

  They're literally, they're like, whatever, since about 1972, everything you've done, just invert that shit.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Matt Farah?

  That, and this, this is where we are.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  This is the result, yeah.

• 24:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Maybe it'll work.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Uh, we'll see.

• 24:45Matt Farah?

  What if it works?

• 24:47Speaker 02

  They're gonna have to turn it.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Well, if the final result is gorgeous.

• 24:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Cause they soften everything, then they'll have done what Ford did with the Mach-E. They called it a Mustang. The internet lost their fucking mind for a year, but everyone talked about it constantly.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Yes, good point.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  And then the car came out, car is good, and everyone stopped caring.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  So.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  We'll see. Yeah, I don't know. Have, have my reservations, but you know, we like...

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  I agree. It's not immediately promising. Like that, that, uh, that magma thing, that the, the Genesis.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  The, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, that looks amazing.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  That looks like a Korean Maserati MC20.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  It does, yes.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Yes to that.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Pretty decent.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and then did you see this morning, the, um, the G90, like, wingback? The G90 wagon thing?

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  That they just released today? That looks crazy cool, too.

• 25:36Matt Farah?

  The Korean Panamera Sport Tarisimo.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly right. Which looks crazy cool. But the G90's good on its own, so wagon version of that, bring that along.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  That is, that's pretty fucking meaty.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  That is way better looking than the M5.

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, damn. Speaking of Genesis G90s, so I have an update.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 25:53Matt Farah?

  Zach from Uncle Phil.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  Okay. Oh. Holy shit, I haven't seen that.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Isn't that fantastic?

• 25:59Matt Farah?

  Dude, they didn't do this thing any service by the, with the dim lighting. Why did they paint this black and then launch it in a dim room?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's.

• 26:07Matt Farah?

  The wide body?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  It's a dark green and it needs to be really bright to really pop.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  Wow, look at the pipes, look at the pipes.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  It looks, it looks amazing.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  What a fucking nice looking automobile.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  Probably something that will never come here because we apparently don't like wagons, but we should. That looks amazing.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you why, I'll tell you why they'll sell it here. Because they want their RS6. Sure. They want that. That's exactly right. They just want us to talk about the, something. They'll, they'll sell 12 of them, but. So here, so get this, guys. This is hilarious. Guys, one more break today because support is coming in extra hot from Rula. Taking care of your mental health shouldn't be harder than taking care of your physical health, but it is. If you pull a muscle, you go see a doctor. When it comes to finding the right therapist, it's so frustrating. There's wait lists or you're staring down huge out of pocket costs and that's what usually stops people from getting the help they need. I go see therapies, a therapist. In fact, it's the same therapist I've been seeing for over 15 years.

• 27:05Matt Farah?

  But if I had to start over today, I wouldn't know where to begin with traditional therapy. I would totally start with Rula because Rula makes therapy simple, affordable and fast. They work with most major insurance plans and the average session copay is just 15 bucks. That's basically the cost of lunch, but instead of a sandwich, you're investing in your own headspace. I, every two weeks, for the last 15 years, really take advantage of that one hour and, and, and I, I talk to them about things I would not talk to people about, uh, to others about, including my, uh, including my wife. And it helped me put things in perspective. It's helped me, uh, think about myself in new ways.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  It's helped me break down some ego things and, uh, it's really, really, really helpful to all kinds of different people, not just people like me. But getting matched to the right person can be really hard. Uh, so with Rula, you're not just matched and left to figure it out. They check in and make sure you're actually making. Making progress. All the therapists on the platform are licensed, vetted, and picked for their expertise, so you know you're talking to someone legit, not just whoever happens to be available. To get started, you just answer a few quick questions about what matters to you, and Rula connects you with in-network providers who actually fit your needs. You pick the time, and you could be talking to a therapist as soon as the next day. No weeks of waiting, no endless back and forths. So, thousands of guys have already used Rula

• 28:31Matt Farah?

  to finally get the care that they needed, so don't keep putting it off. Go to rula.com/tire and get started today. That's rula.com/tire. Take the first step, get connected, and take control of your mental health. And now, back to the program. We talked about it a little bit last show. My Uncle Phil, my wife's Uncle Phil, got a G90. Loves it. He's obviously an older gentleman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, and this is the full updated story. The short version was, his, the valet at his building got trapped in the car and kicked out the driver's side, the driver's window to get out. Okay?

• 29:16Matt Farah?

  What? That was the short version. I got that, I got that information before the show yesterday. After the show, we have the update. Okay. The update is, Uncle Phil goes to Florida for the winter. And is in Florida, and this car does not live on a battery tender. They have, he's, the valets at his New York City building are instructed to start it up and warm it up and drive it around like once a week. Okay. Now that I know, I wish I knew that beforehand, because that's probably enough to keep this thing alive, not enough to keep this thing alive, and it's gonna slowly die, which is happening. Over time, yeah. Now, if you're a professional fucking valet in a parking garage, you should understand

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  that cars with push buttons have a manual release somewhere. Yeah. Okay. Oh my gosh. This guy, this guy goes to get in the car. It has traditional handles on the outside and a push button on the inside. The door opens from the outside, because it's not kept locked, because it's like two stories underground. Sure. He goes to get in it, he closes the door, it locks. Or it doesn't lock, but it's just not, it presses the button, it's non-responsive, it has no power. Yeah. He doesn't have his phone on him. After like sixty seconds of non-motion, or two minutes of, the lights go dark in the garage. In the car. No, no, there's no lights in the car. The sensor. The motion sensor is, now he's there and it's pitch black. Yeah, yeah.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  Apparently, this is the overnight guy in the garage, he speaks very little English. Now... This story's com- panic sets in. It takes about five minutes for full-on panic to set in. He kicks the window out, okay? Okay. Now, if you work valet, even if you don't speak English, someone should tell you en español, that there's manual releases and they are, they're easy to find if you feel around. Anyway, there's always...

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Is this the, what year is this car?

• 31:10Matt Farah?

  New. Twenty-four, twenty-five, that's the button.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  And is this the, is that the latch?

• 31:15Matt Farah?

  That is the latch.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  He was so close to glory.

• 31:18Matt Farah?

  He was so close to glory. That's, that's the latch in the door pocket, it's about seven inches from the actual button. Yeah. Okay. It's sheer adrenaline kicking the window out, man. That is... Yeah, yeah. Because it's not when you're overheating, you know, it's just dark. You are self-preservation. From zero to, my life's in danger. So, anyway, that's part one of the story. Uncle Phil's cool, and he, he, they call him, he's in Florida, they go, hey, you know, we did this and we're gonna replace the window. He goes, alright, whatever. So Phil then calls the Genesis dealer, his salesman. Sure. And he goes, hey, look, this happened, how could this happen?

• 32:00Matt Farah?

  You know, like, what, what do I tell these guys going forward? And the guy, the salesman has absolutely no idea. The salesman goes, I don't know, it's a funny question. Doesn't say, hey, by the way, there's a handle. No idea. Required by law for there to be in a secondary, by the way, yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  But it's not required by law for the salesman to know anything.

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  Clearly. Well, but that's been well-established for years. So asks somebody else at the dealer. Oh no. No idea. Uncle Phil then goes on fucking Youtube, how to open the door of a Genesis G90 with dead battery. And there's a 60 second video of the show.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Of course there is.

• 32:34Matt Farah?

  And he goes, "Then I go on Youtube and there it is. It's just right there."

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  And these fu- he goes, "These fucking jamokes." And I don't know if jam- I don't think jamoke is racist, but if it is, I'm sorry. But that was- he goes, "These fucking-"

• 32:46Speaker 02

  His word. I got it.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  "These fucking guys, they don't know. I find this on Youtube in 10 seconds." I was like, "That's right, Uncle Phil."

• 32:54Speaker 03

  He didn't have his phone on him.

• 32:56Matt Farah?

  By lo- no, no, no, no, no. Not these guys, the dealer.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Oh, the dealer.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  No, no, he's not upset about the guy who doesn't speak English. He's talking about two employees-

• 33:04Speaker 02

  The dealer should have known better.

• 33:05Matt Farah?

  At a Genesis dealer.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure, yeah.

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  And he goes, "Don't know how to do it."

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  The term is not racist, but it used to be used to be described coffee in the late 19th century. And then it changed over to being an unimpressive person. Quite a- that's quite a leap.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  That is a leap.

• 33:20Matt Farah?

  Okay, good. I'm glad it's not racist. I'm gonna continue using jamoke. That's gonna be the stand-in for all previously racist slurs.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Perfect. Perfect. Done.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they didn't care, clearly. They're just, eh.

• 33:33Matt Farah?

  Well, it also- Well, hopefully, they learned.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Shrug it off.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  It also proves that everything's on Youtube. How to do blank.

• 33:37Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  True. For sure.

• 33:39Matt Farah?

  Dude, I bet you that shit has like 100,000 views.

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Now it does.

• 33:44Matt Farah?

  I bet they got more money off that 60 second video than us flying to a foreign country to-

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Terrifying.

• 33:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  I thought you were gonna say something about he couldn't get his window replaced because of the glass wasn't available or something.

• 33:57Matt Farah?

  Well, that's part three. Part three is the car's too new, replacement windows don't exist, it'll be six weeks. Fortunately, he's in Florida for the winter.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that helps.

• 34:08Matt Farah?

  So the car can stay.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Wow. Wow.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Seriously, that wingback needs to show.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  What's the craziest- what's the worst information a dealer representative has ever given you? The most incorrect thing that a dealer's ever given you?

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Uh, it's- I can't say for dealer, but for, uh-

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Turbo PSI on some cars.

• 34:32Matt Farah?

  The boost, how much boost?

• 34:33Speaker 03

  The boost pressure that it makes wildly overrated.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  Too much.

• 34:39Matt Farah?

  Car's pushing about 120 PSI.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  The GR Corolla.

• 34:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  The initial quote for the boost pressure on that car was pretty high. We're talking like almost 50.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  It's...

• 34:51Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 34:52Speaker 02

  It's not. No, no, here's, here's...

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  It's high though.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  It's high.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  It's high, but here's the reason.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  It's 25, 26, which is still very high.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  There was a reason why the number was wrong. They'd forgotten to take out the fact that there's just ambient pressure in the air.

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  That was everything. That was what the car has at sea level because it just exists, plus what the boost is being provided for became the number we originally saw.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Different number.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, those aren't the same, but I get it.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  So when you're going by OEM stats and that's what we have to rely on.

• 35:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, that was in a press release.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  That's a problem.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  It was, it was the draft one and we were like, what? And then we got another draft, ah, that makes more sense.

• 35:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, Jason Fenske and I once caught an error in a Toyota press release.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  I mean, it happens, you know.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  Dude, we did it simultaneously and it happened to be, I've never, it was take your dad to fucking work day for me. I had brought my dad on the press launch. Cause it was in Monticello.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Sure, I love it. Okay, great.

• 35:45Matt Farah?

  From his house. And my dad was like, you got him on the numbers, son.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  He'd never been so proud.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  Fucking sliding the car, he's tapping out, but like, you got him on the math.

• 36:01Matt Farah?

  No, I once had a dealer tell me when I wanted to power on a Chevy Volt in the showroom, that I couldn't possibly start a car indoors. Cause I wanted to check to see the UI.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  And he was like, you know, you can't start that in here. I was like, I promise you, you can.

• 36:17Matt Farah?

  He was the Volt specialist.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Perfect. Even better. Yes.

• 36:20Matt Farah?

  And then I had, when I was a kid, a guy tried to sell me a V6 Mustang and tell me... It was a V8. Like insistently.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Really?

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  How did that get solved? Was the hood opened?

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  Eventually. No, literally, it was first, it was there's one tailpipe. Not two. Right, this was, this would have been a 96. First, there's one tailpipe, not two.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Let's count.

• 36:44Matt Farah?

  Then it was, you know, there's no, then it was, there's a horse, there's a horse with a stripe on the side, not a GT on the side.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Yes, I get it.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  So a telltale.

• 36:53Matt Farah?

  It says Mustang in the rear bumper, not Mustang GT. Like, eventually, it was like, no, no, no, it is, it is, it is. Pop the fucking hood, and I counted spark plug wires. Six.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  A one, a two.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  Crazy. I was like 17, it was nuts.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  It was crazy.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  One liar.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Very good, yes.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  Must be out there, like, talk to my wife about cars or something, you know? It was nuts.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  I was, I had a first gen Scion FRS. And I was hanging out in that car in Salt Lake in the winter. And somebody that I knew that actually knew a decent amount about cars went, oh, I didn't know there's an all wheel drive. Because it was the winter, and it, you know, it was really, it must, must be all wheel drive. It's like, uh, it's, it's really not, it's a rear wheel drive, it's always been.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  My favorite thing about your lease is when people say, that a V10 in there?

• 37:44Speaker 02

  I had a guy at a gas station ask me that once.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  That a V10?

• 37:47Speaker 03

  That a V10 in that thing?

• 37:48Speaker 02

  I pulled up in a.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  Good idea for a project.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, tiny town in Utah.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Cylinder is that big around?

• 37:53Speaker 02

  I was filling it up with gas, and a guy walked by straight faced, like, oh, man, that's an amazing car. I said, thank you, buddy, and he goes, is that the V10 in it, right? It's like.

• 37:59Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  How big do you, how big do you think a V10 is? How big do you think this car is?

• 38:04Speaker 01

  You think it was a different, you thought it was a Lamborghini?

• 38:06Speaker 02

  I have no idea what you thought. But I was like, you see, this is tiny, right? I dwarfed this car.

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  Yes, sir.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  Thank you.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Some people have eyesight that is far poorer than they know, and I think they need glasses and they don't get them. So they're like, that's Lamborghini? You're like, no, not at all, not even a little bit.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it says, it says it three or four places on it, but it's fine, yeah, it's good.

• 38:25Matt Farah?

  I was, I just was fortunate enough to drive a 918, like, on a thousand mile road trip.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  I heard, yeah, good for you.

• 38:31Matt Farah?

  You probably heard because I didn't shut the fuck up about it for two.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  Hey, I would love to drive that car, it seems phenomenal.

• 38:35Matt Farah?

  I was surprised how many people did not immediately know it was a Porsche.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  Okay, sure.

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  It wasn't just that they were like, oh, that's a Porsche I've never seen. Because like, to me, I can look at that and go, that has the cues.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Well, sure.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  Pretty obviously being a Porsche. And people were like, that's a Porsche?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  It's also a ten-year-old car.

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  At least.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's still.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Ten, eleven-year-old car, which is amazing.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks phenomenal.

• 38:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It's very, it's very pretty, but I was, I was surprised that people didn't identify it as a Porsche.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  What was the color of the one you were driving?

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 39:05Matt Farah?

  Dark blue.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  That sounds gorgeous.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  And mileage, had it been driven?

• 39:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I took it from twelve thousand to thirteen thousand.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 39:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  That is lovely.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

• 39:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's no downside to driving one of those. I just, I just wrote a whole thing for Road and Track that by the time this goes up, should be on the website that.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:24Matt Farah?

  Went through as much.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Talk to me about the battery. We don't think the battery life on this is going to be like P1 owners are running into.

• 39:31Matt Farah?

  Well, and LaFerraris.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  And LaFerraris.

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  Almost all of them.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Cause that, that's the holy trinity.

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  That hasn't happened with nine eighteen's.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  That has not happened.

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  No, nine eighteen has actually aged the best. In terms of depend, in terms of reliability, they're overwhelmingly dependable. They, Porsche is supposedly coming out with an updated pack that you could.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Really?

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and get more range and more power if you wanted to. The thing that's aged the worst about the nine eighteen is the fucking Bluetooth and the touch screens and haptics.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Sure, sure.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  Other than that, it's, you could, you could honestly just sell it today.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Guess what a battery replacement would cost as estimated by StuTcars.com on their nine eighteen buyer's guide?

• 40:14Matt Farah?

  Two hundred and fifty grand.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Uh, you're gonna be very happy to know it's fifty to eighty.

• 40:19Matt Farah?

  Well, it's two fifty on a LaFerrari, so that's a steal.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:24Matt Farah?

  Dude.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Well, I have a hundred and, uh, about twenty-five thousand mile, twenty seventeen E hybrid Cayenne.

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  And when we got that, everybody's like, oh, the battery's gonna die at ninety thousand. We got it at like seventy thousand.

• 40:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  And it's been great. It's been great. And I'm very curious to see what its life is. I mean, I, I don't wanna get to that problem, but at the same time, it's been really good for us, yeah.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  This car's, uh, uh, been serviced, you know, as, as needed. And, uh, it, it shows, it shows and delivers twelve miles of electric range, which is what it did when it was new.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Ours does eleven in the winter and fourteen in the summer.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, what's his name, John Harper, who corrected me recently, cause I thought he had like a twenty twenty.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:01Matt Farah?

  Cayenne hybrid that he got CPO. It's a sixteen.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  He bought it like a year ago, CPO. Like, I don't know how that's possible.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, how long does that work? Okay, okay.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a 16, and he, but he really likes it.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, ours is great. It's been really good, yeah.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  So, I think in general, like, whether it's Tesla's or whatever, like, I think most people's batteries are lasting longer than people thought they were going to.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Well, and I think it comes down to that same thing of, of the cars that don't get driven end up being the most problematic. Batteries are not. And I think the fact that our Cayenne's getting used regularly, charged regularly, driven normally, all of that has to help, I would think.

• 41:42Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  So, the Cayenne EV, I'm reading that it shuts off between the wireless charging pad on the floor and the car if your cat walks in between it. So, it doesn't fry the cat, unfortunately.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  Is that a joke? Are you serious?

• 41:56Speaker 03

  I'm serious. It shuts off. I mean, I-

• 41:58Matt Farah?

  Will it otherwise fry the cat?

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Be careful, because Matt's a big cat guy.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  I know, no, no, I know. I know.

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  But would, literally, is that a thing?

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Uh, it's my understanding that if, if it detects motion in between the car and the pad, it shuts off automatically to the relief.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  I want to know how they learned that.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Car and Driver says the same thing, yeah.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  I don't know, but it's-

• 42:19Speaker 02

  That's an interesting day of R and D right there.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  For motion detection is what I'm seeing.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Porsche calls it the Live Object Detection System?

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  I think, yeah.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  So, LOTS? Do they call it LOTS?

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Protect pets of people who reach under the vehicle.

• 42:29Matt Farah?

  I guess that's just like, is it like being x-rayed? I mean, is it literally like you need like a lead vest to be, to be near the fucking thing?

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Where's Muffy?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Wrap your animals in lead vests.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Smells like dinner's ready.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Oh, God, that's terrible.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  Can I just say, I don't, I don't want to be a Negative Nancy about this, and I like Porsche's EVs, but I, inductive charging is not something I have asked for or need. No, I don't need something in my house that operates and needs a fucking force field to turn off for me to be around it.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  That protects the wildlife. But also the reality of the fact that, you know, like EVs or not like EVs, the reality is you get out of the car and you plug it in like a big version of Plug in your phone, and this isn't hard. I mean, I, okay, all right, whatever.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  So, introduced in Dubai, that's been Dubai'd? It's been Dubai'd?

• 43:22Matt Farah?

  Dubot.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Dubot.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Dubot. We're having all kinds of fun with that.

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  We can put this in tenses.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  We're, we're going to conjugate Dubai.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  You would have thought.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I never thought that was happening.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  LA is the perfect market for this, is it not?

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  People used to use the word summer as a verb, but like, that's New Go.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  That's true. That's true, yes. Where do you summer now, Matt?

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  It's like using summer as a verb, but with less taxes and more crimes against humanity.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Well, you know, we got there.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  Where the crimes are only white collar, except for the slavery. I guess, sorry. I guess I won't be invited back.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  I'm just, yeah, of any market, to introduce that thing, why not LA? LA is, we should have seen it at the LA Auto Show, is my point. But it was introduced, it was not, it was, I'm not sure, well, it was Dubai'd.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, they did the launch in Dubai.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 44:15Speaker 02

  And I was really surprised they didn't have it at the, just even sitting there at the LA Auto Show.

• 44:18Matt Farah?

  Doug made a video with one, where was he?

• 44:20Speaker 02

  I've no, I'm sure they sent him one.

• 44:22Matt Farah?

  His ass ain't going to Dubai. Were they letting people drive them?

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, to a handful of select journalists, here's the advanced thing.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Doug drove one, I think Kyle Connor drove one, I mean, there were a few out there, yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  I was hoping for fried birds and cats underneath the, but no.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  And now the live demonstration.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  It would be funny, it would be funny if they disabled that, and they, and fucking Guy Fieri shows up like boom, and starts fucking

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Cooking!

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  And sets up a roto underneath the thing, and just starts like fucking Boston marketing these chickens.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Boston market.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  That's more of a Dodge event. Is it really a Porsche event? I don't know, I don't know.

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  Dodge event.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Not the right vibe.

• 45:04Matt Farah?

  There's seven Hellcats running at 8,000 RPM, and we're gonna cook burgers on them.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  It's gonna be awesome, it's gonna be great.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  That sounds better, actually.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  So, yeah, the EV, there it is, with the charging pad.

• 45:17Matt Farah?

  I presume your charging pad is optional, and you could just plug the fucking thing in.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Of course, yeah, yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  I think the Noya class BMWs look better than the new Cayenne, I am not impressed with the styling.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, the new Cayenne styling is a little...

• 45:30Speaker 03

  I'm not impressed.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Well, it's followed where the Macan went a little bit, right? The square, more square lights.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  So you're slightly...

• 45:36Speaker 03

  And then retractable fins that do something and just charge you more when you nerf it in a parking lot.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Efficiency, I think.

• 45:42Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, aerodynamics.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Aerodynamics.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  If you really want to go fast, you get a little extra fin in the back.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  That's what we needed.

• 45:47Matt Farah?

  The new Turbo S is 10% more aerodynamically efficient than the last one with fundamentally the same body.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  That's astonishing. It really is.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 45:58Matt Farah?

  It has the fin things in the front.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:01Matt Farah?

  It has, you know, the wing, the chin splitter. It had the wing, just the wing and the chin splitter before. Now it has the fins in the front like the GTS and it also has these little bits, these are pretty cool, in the front, uh, wheel wells.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 46:13Matt Farah?

  That move up and down and can adjust the pressure in the wheel well.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Oh, sure.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  But also, if you put the car in wet mode and it rains, they point to dry the brakes. They fucking blow air at the, at the brake caliper all the time for quicker brake response so the brakes always try.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  That's pretty cool.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's very cool.

• 46:34Matt Farah?

  Of course, God help you in 10 years to get one of these cars.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Here we go. Well, you're solenoid on the thing.

• 46:41Matt Farah?

  You guess what? Your E-Turbo needs replacing and, uh, yeah. But, for today.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  Lease with confidence.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, tell me.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Lease mobile.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  And the level of engineering going on right now over there is unbelievable.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, wait till you have a go at one of these. They've been pretty nice. Uh, what have you guys been driving? Anything fun?

• 47:01Speaker 03

  Hmm, let's see.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Paul's, uh, updated his entire garage this year.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, been driving a lot of fun stuff. I...

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  You mean updating the garage itself or the car's in it?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  His personal garage.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  The car's in it.

• 47:10Matt Farah?

  Alright, so what's out?

• 47:11Speaker 03

  So, the Expedition that I had, that was my dad's, that went back to my sister and, and my brother-in-law. So they wanted it back, been in the family since new. And so I got a new 4Runner, Off-Road Premium. Video just dropped.

• 47:24Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  So, brand new 4Runner, really liked it. I did not get the hybrid because I just wanted the gas engine. And on that model...

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  It's the 6?

• 47:31Speaker 03

  It's the 4, 2.4 liter Turbo 4.

• 47:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's 2.4.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Wanted a Turbo 4, the mountains. There you go. And, yeah, I like the color a lot. Really like that Everest color.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  It's a cool color.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a good color.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  It's like a bluish-green.

• 47:45Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Just dig it, went for the bronze wheels, and there is no...

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  That's a good combo.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  There's no start-stop button on the center console. When you pull up to the light, the engine stays running. It's the weirdest thing.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  It's kinda cool. So then when you're ready to go, the engine's already on.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  It's really weird. Yeah, it's very strange. But to your point, though, it is amazing how when you drive that, and we've gotten so used to how many press cars that have that now, there is that moment where you go, wait, the engine didn't stop.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  The engine didn't stop.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  That's weird. And there's no button.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  It's a rare model.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  I turn start-stop off a lot.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 48:19Matt Farah?

  There's some cars that can really do it when it's really smooth and pretty seamless. If the air conditioner stays going.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  That's key.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  For real.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  For a few seconds.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  You know, and then, and if it's really good, then I'll leave. But a lot of times, the louder the car, the less you want to use start-stop, right?

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that is a scourge. I can't stand that.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  So you got a new Forerunner.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Say, new Forerunner, and then, uh, early in the year of 2025, I got a Cayman GT4, which I really like.

• 48:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Manual with the buckets, non, uh, ceramics. So I didn't want the ceramics. I just wanted iron rotors.

• 48:56Matt Farah?

  I think I met the guy who sold you that car.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Did you really?

• 48:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  Uh, his, I think girlfriend, made a comment on the YouTube video, and I reached back out to her and I didn't get a response, but should hit her up on IG or something, but...

• 49:07Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't know if he sold it to you directly, or if he was just, you went to a dealer and he was the first owner, but...

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  Paul's got my old car. Okay, cool.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  No kidding?

• 49:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Fantastic.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  He was a nice guy?

• 49:18Speaker 03

  That's awesome. Well, that's good to know.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he wasn't like, "Ha, I really fucked him."

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Good to know.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Good thing I got rid of that car.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Good thing I forged the DMV.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  The photo you've got up at the top there, Zach, the bottom right corner, that GTS is what Paul sold for the GT4. I'd gotten the Amira a little over a year ago. So the, we sold the C8, and, uh, Paul sold the, the GTS and got the GT4 instead. The Expedition in the back is now Forerunner.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  Yep, that's Forerunner.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  I have two Cayennes, because my wife really likes Cayennes. We have the old Cayenne that's now, we call the Rubik Cayenne, because it's lifted. And then we have the 2017 that, uh, that is the hybrid. So I have, I have the two low tie and the two Cayennes, which is absurd.

• 49:58Matt Farah?

  That, that's so funny. Your two Porsches are trucks. And, uh, that's very fun. The, and the Corvette was company car, right?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  That was company car.

• 50:07Matt Farah?

  And what is the, what are the, you had it for what, two years?

• 50:09Speaker 02

  About two years, yeah.

• 50:10Matt Farah?

  Okay, how did the math work out on it?

• 50:12Speaker 02

  We lost about two grand when it was all said and done.

• 50:14Matt Farah?

  Total?

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Well, well, hang on, I say that. We, between what we still owed on it and what we sold it for was a two grand delta.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  It was two, two, three grand.

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. So you were like, you were like upside down two grand on it?

• 50:26Speaker 03

  Slightly.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  Okay. So what was the total depreciation on it over those two years?

• 50:30Speaker 02

  About twenty grand.

• 50:31Matt Farah?

  And how many miles?

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Cause we bought it post-COVID for eighty-one and we sold it for sixty-one.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Eighty-two post-COVID and then sold it for sixty-one five.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  And you did how many miles?

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Eleven thousand and change.

• 50:43Matt Farah?

  You know, that's not bad, dude.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  It wasn't nearly as bad as we feared.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  A buck seventy-five a mile.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  That's all you can ask for.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  Is that right?

• 50:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  And got content out of it.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, eleven thousand, yeah.

• 50:54Matt Farah?

  And you sold it for sixty-one. I feel like if you, if you, if you had kept it for another year and driven it a bunch, your dollars per mile might have been a little better. That's not terrible.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Not terrible. We got what we needed out of it. We were done filming. It sat for a lot of this year.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 51:08Speaker 03

  And we had just finished filming because what else do we compare it to a C8?

• 51:12Speaker 02

  It was, it was great. It was a really good car for us.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  Stuff. The ZR1X was at the show in all its glory. It's actually pretty cool looking. It's pretty good looking. It's, it's already an aggressive looking car and to make it more aggressive is probably the right direction to go.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, you drove regular ZR1?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Haven't driven either one.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  Not driven the regular ZR1.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  It's aggressive.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  It's what we hear.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  It's quite good. I mean, it's, it's a good time. It's a very good time. Uh, you know, in the, in the same way the, the Z06 emulates a, a four, five, eight special, this does a Pista.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 51:45Matt Farah?

  You know, it does that thing.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's, uh, very, very fast, but because GM is very good at traction control, um, it actually, uh, it, it, I think it's better traction than like a McLaren seven fifty.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Hmm, hmm.

• 51:59Matt Farah?

  But then again, the one I drove had the super race tires and the carbon wheels and you could get it on PS4Ss and it would probably fucking do four gear burnouts.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Probably, yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  I don't know that the X is necessary, but I'm very curious to drive the ZR1. So, yeah.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think the, I don't think I, I need the X. I think the, the, the E-Ray. I like hybrids if if that's the only way to get the car.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  And it's a good car.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  Then fine.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:26Matt Farah?

  But I, you know, I don't want to say this like too loud, but I bet you if, you know, if you made a McLaren Artura that weighed 2,400 pounds and had no hybrid system, I'll take two of those.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  The Artura is great, and I agree with you. I totally agree, yeah.

• 52:43Matt Farah?

  If it if it just had 550 horsepower and it weighed 2,500 pounds, rear-wheel drive, it would be the best.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Well, and I hate to say this, but one, it's not hard to find cars now that have a comma in the horsepower number. I mean, the new Cayenne is one.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  But it's not becoming more usable. It's not like just because we have more of them that are over 1,000, we're figuring out ways to use 1,000 horsepower. It's not possible.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  You know how many places in, I drove 1,000 miles in a 918. You know how many times I was able to like go flat in any gear for any period of time?

• 53:15Speaker 03

  Zero.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  I mean, it was like, it was like, I mean, I did three runs of Tail of the Dragon. And if you put all of those together in the other 1,000 miles, I think the total number of times going flat is like nine. Like over 1,000 miles. Like this car is so fast, you just can't do that anywhere.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  And then it's a fraction of a second. It's like down and I'm back. Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  So glad you said 2,400 pounds because what else weighs 2,400 pounds? The Alpine A110.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  You guys drove Ben's car?

• 53:41Speaker 03

  We drove Ben's car, yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  We had it at Cota with us.

• 53:43Matt Farah?

  The V8 is basically good.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  We had it at Cota, and then it came to you guys, and then it went to Jason Camisa, and then it was back with us.

• 53:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Because we had it as part of our road trip film. We did a big series down in Cota.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  I loved you in the thumbnail, like, just sort of like this relief. Oh, we finally.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  It was so good. Yeah, we've talked about it for years. We read books about it. And like the guy that directed the project is pretty rad.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  And you like crushed a bottle of wine with Bennett at Car Week as well.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Good.

• 54:09Matt Farah?

  He was a good dude.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a great dude.

• 54:11Matt Farah?

  I enjoyed his company.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we got to put it with the Elise and the 4C, and it was just a really cool piece to actually put them together and talk about it. Yeah, it was really fun.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  You look like junk.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Let's just say the amount of vitriol that Todd had to cut out of the piece that didn't make it in from me.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  Was significant from what I understand.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  With those three cars back to back, they were all essentially stock, was the other thing. With those three cars back to back, Paul was not a fan of the 4C and the 4C owners have arrived in force. All of them telling us the exact same thing we all know, and that is here are the things in the aftermarket that make the car good, which is fine. It's great.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  Finish it yourself.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  It's great. But that's the thing I keep trying to nicely respond in comments about. I'm like, but you coming at me again, with all the things it needs to fix are reinforcing the fact that in stock form it wasn't good enough.

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. We have a name for this. It's called the GTI problem. It's the GTI solution because, well, if you do this, this and this and this, you spend $12,000, oh.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  The GTI is the best thing ever.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Or you could have taken that and bought a better car.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was my Ford Focus, Arret.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Not to take away from the GTI.

• 55:15Matt Farah?

  They call it tuning out of class.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:17Matt Farah?

  You never want to do that.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  We've used that term before. It's a great term.

• 55:20Matt Farah?

  You never want to do that.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  That A110 though, what a fucking delight.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  It's a special car. It's very cool.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  Very, very good.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Did you see the car moving around? What I'm asking is, did it get noticed at the show? Were people, of all the cars at the show, did the Alpine sort of like, you never see that here.

• 55:37Matt Farah?

  When I took it to like up the mountain, like those nerds, the car show at the top of the mountain.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Okay. I was gonna say like, holy crap.

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  It's the king of the castle up there.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:46Matt Farah?

  I'm just driving around in LA.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, not in LA, but.

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  It's a silver nothing though.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Invisible. Did it get noticed at the show? Yeah.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  I didn't drive it in Monterey.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  I just, I didn't know if you saw Ben hanging out and driving around.

• 55:58Matt Farah?

  I didn't. He came to our rented house and we drank wine. So I have no idea.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Got it. I was just curious.

• 56:04Matt Farah?

  If it did, not compared with the fuck I was driving, so.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Cause you were in your Mikes, right? Yeah, yeah. Which is a totally different thing, yeah.

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  Nothing says loving like that.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  I love, that's amazing.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  That was awesome.

• 56:13Matt Farah?

  Go full sparkle.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  I was disappointed I didn't see that today. That's a pretty cool car.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  It's at my house. You came to the house and it's sand.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  Good to know. Good to know. Alright.

• 56:22Matt Farah?

  I can't even, I can't even swap it for another car because it's been pissing rain and so. Unfortunately, as cool as that car is, it's not waterproof.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  That's probably fair.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Isn't it kind of a boat? Like if it really, you could probably drive across a flood with it.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  It does have a bond line where the hull and the...

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Is it like a sealed tub?

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  I don't think it would literally sink, but you'd like really fuck the motor up if you tried to do that.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good point.

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. Really, a bunch of other things would go horribly wrong, even if it didn't like literally sink. Yeah. No, I mean, it's funny. Maybe if Megs does like a Whaler crossover, they could do one where you could, that's amphibious, you know?

• 56:59Speaker 01

  The Boston.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Boston Whaler. I like it. It's good.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  You remember the video, right? The Whaler commercial? Boston Whaler commercial?

• 57:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  Where the guy chainsaws the front half of the boat off and then drives the back half just back to the dock? You ever seen that shit?

• 57:13Speaker 02

  I guess I haven't seen this.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  That was like from like the eighties or maybe early nineties. That shit like made Boston Whaler. The unsinkable legend.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Okay. Alright.

• 57:22Matt Farah?

  I'm sure Zach has the commercial. It's amazing. Yeah. The guy's just chilling in the boat and just saws the front half right off.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  No, I haven't seen this. That's amazing.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  I've had to see this now.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Apparently the commercial his wife does.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  His wife does it? Oh, yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  No way.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  I love it. Everything's on YouTube, I'm telling you.

• 57:38Matt Farah?

  A house and a boat divided. The lady gets, oh, the wife gets mad because, oh, I've never seen this one. She gets mad that he's bought the Whaler and chainsaws the front half off in the garage.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  Whoa. And now he just, she just took the back half and then it left him with the front.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  That's a great ad. That is a great ad.

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  I saw another one where the guy was on the water already and chainsawed it off, like just wa, and left the other half floating. I think there was a couple of these.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  The unsinkable legend. There we go.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 58:15Speaker 02

  I didn't know this existed. Okay. Amazing.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  That's from thirteen years ago on YouTube, but who even knows when it was on. That sold my dad a Boston Whaler.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Because it's unsinkable.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Hundred percent. Sold him a Boston Whaler. One just like that one in the commercial.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  There we go. Yeah.

• 58:34Matt Farah?

  You know what's not unsinkable? An Alpha 80. That A110 was.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  It was incredible.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  It was.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  And granted, I'm sure the, the forbidden fruit of it makes it a little better, but it was still great. And to put those three lightweight cars together was wonderful.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  The forbidden fruit is good, but like, I've driven enough Skylines to know that, and enough other forbidden cars to go that like, you know, sometimes the car delivers and sometimes the car doesn't.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 58:58Matt Farah?

  I did enough miles in that thing to go, okay, yeah, this is the real, this is the real deal.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Objectively special, no question. I think it adds a little bit of extra because like, oh my gosh, I'm getting to get in this thing. But it just, especially when we put up the other two, it's just like, this holds up so well. And we see them every year when we go to the ring. We see a consistent number of people that are running those on the ring. And I'm like, okay, well, they wouldn't keep showing up if this car wasn't good enough for this, you know, so that's very cool.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  How many 4Cs do you see at the, at the ring?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Very few.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  Zero.

• 59:25Matt Farah?

  I'm at a coffee shop.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  We see the, we see the Elises and we see the 4Cs, I mean, pardon me, the Elises and the A110s more than we see 4Cs at the ring. Definitely, for sure. Yeah. And then of course, you know, everything else on the planet.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  And then, uh, yeah, the A110 got shipped, I think, out of the port of Long Beach?

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it did. I, I sent it, yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Did you drive down there?

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  No, no, they, someone, someone picked it up.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. So, yeah.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  I heard from Ben, it's back, it's back.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  It's back.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  It's back and yeah, it's doing great.

• 59:50Speaker 03

  10,000 kilometers and he's like, yeah, we need to get it back for service. Mike, you, you ship it back to France and you service that.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  Well, and now we have that other car that's on a, the, that's here on a tourist visa that I'm not going to go drive, but it's, the guy's doing the same kind of thing, which is pretty fun.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Which car is that, or can you say?

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  The Tot Hill.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Oh, that, that one.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Oh, that's a tourist visa.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Over here, okay.

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's right-hand drive.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. I didn't even realize that one.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Okay, cool. That's amazing.

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  Um, so, and you guys are also doing the, uh, the driving tours still as well, right?

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, we are.

• 1:00:18Matt Farah?

  Do you have one coming up?

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  We, we don't have our ones for next year booked yet. We're still figuring out 26 schedule, but we'll do, we'll do the Ring and Spa, which will probably be August, but we're trying to lock that down. We're doing a, uh, Spain and Portugal, which is a track right outside Seville, yeah, and then also Portimao. So that's going to be in, in late April. That is definitely on the calendar. Uh, we're, we're partnering with our friends at RSR who do the Ring and Spa for us. They're going to have cars for us.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  In Spain and Portugal also?

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, they're just sending a haul full of cars?

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  About four or five of them.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Not just for us. It's a trip they're doing anyway. We're, we're adding on to it, which is great.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Is there a track day?

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  Are they sending like cage cars and shit?

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Uh, not the cage ones.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  You can show up with a cage car if you want, but they're sending their fleet.

• 1:00:58Matt Farah?

  They have regular cars?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  They've got regular cars that are-

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  I know they had cars that didn't have cages.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Caymans to, you know, all the stuff.

• 1:01:04Matt Farah?

  But I thought for the track days, they put roll bars and stuff.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Not necessarily.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  Not in most of their cars.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  So you can have I-20 and a Hyundai's to the GT3s, everything in between, the BMWs, the two series, all the stuff. Caymans are quite popular and they've got everything. So whatever you want to rent, of course it adds to the cost, but we think it's quite worth it.

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  So what's, what is that track going to be?

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  So that is April 24th to 29th, 2026.

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  And what are the cities?

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  Circuit de Seville, which we have never been to. I was on the Autodromo do Algarve, so the Algarve Portimao Circuit, which I really like. It's really superb.

• 1:01:41Matt Farah?

  Zach and I have done Montblanc outside of Seville, which is really nice, too.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Really? There's, there's a ton of racetracks, like good ones.

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Spain's fucking rad, man.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Spain.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  I'm excited.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  Okay, so start in Seville.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  So Seville, Circuit de Seville, and then we've made it very spouse friendly. So if you want to bring the significant other in your life, you can, and there's a day on track. And then it's sort of a, we'll see you at the next location and-

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  We've got a walking tour of Seville the next day.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, walking tour.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Because it's not that far from Seville to Portimao.

• 1:02:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  And then, yeah, over in Portimao, there's the Algarve Circuit, which is again superb. And then some more time, just if you want to go explore.

• 1:02:18Matt Farah?

  So you got two track days in a row.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's track day at Seville, a walking tour and transit day to get you to Portimao. And then two days on Portimao if you want to go both days. Otherwise you're there on the beach in Portimao, which is really cool.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're right on the beach there.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  So that's the end of April. Probably do Ring and Spa as we always do as an all-inclusive trip, which is always really fun. That'll be 10 or 12 people probably we'll take. Uh, that'll be in August and then we're going to figure out what our domestic trips are. We try to do one that is the greatest hits of Utah. We try to do that every year. And then we try to do one somewhere else. The somewhere else is pending based on what we can connect to an HOD track day. So we'll figure it out.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  And then we're doing Cota again. Probably early August is what we're looking at. We like Coda.

• 1:02:56Matt Farah?

  I love Coda.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  So it's just superb. We had never been on it.

• 1:02:59Matt Farah?

  Two weeks.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  Are you really? No kidding.

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  Me, Johnny Lieberman.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Racing.

• 1:03:04Matt Farah?

  Tommy Kendall, Justin Bell, and Tato Siderman, who's like a 21-year-old, 22-year-old hotshot, like sweeping super trofeo amateur class.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  What are you driving?

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, what are you driving? E92 M3.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Holy crap. What series is this? Okay, alright, alright.

• 1:03:20Matt Farah?

  Super fucking excited.

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  So the five of you guys.

• 1:03:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, five of us, two eight-hour races.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  That sounds fantastic.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  That sounds great.

• 1:03:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we get to find out who's faster, me or Johnny, in the same car.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:30Matt Farah?

  And I mean, we have two LeMans, like, two LeMans, or actually, I don't know if Tommy's won LeMans, but like, LeMans winner and the winningest road racing American driver of all time, and I get to follow his fucking data lines in the practice session.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:03:46Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  That's awesome. That's awesome.

• 1:03:48Matt Farah?

  I went to Sparco yesterday. I got a new suit. The new Sparco suits are nice. They got some new, nice, flexible.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  That sounds fantastic.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  I got Ferrari red.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:03:56Matt Farah?

  Cause all these guys are gonna have like dope suits. I didn't wanna get shitty, be the guy, cause like, Tommy, who knows what they're showing up with. Justin's gonna show up with like his LeMans.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:08Matt Farah?

  Right? And Johnny has like some custom Bugatti suit he got from them. I, I, I can't be.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Gotta do something.

• 1:04:15Matt Farah?

  I'm not gonna be the baller, but I can't be, I can't have this base level.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  But yours won't say Bugatti on the back, which is actually good.

• 1:04:21Matt Farah?

  Which is actually a plus, yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  It's true, yes.

• 1:04:23Matt Farah?

  And actually, they got some new gloves. Uh, some of their new gloves are very nice. Shout out to them. Did not get a discount on anything, but, but good service and, uh, the gloves are nice.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  That sounds awesome. It's like an amazing event.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  Fitting race suit in person is important.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:04:38Matt Farah?

  Going somewhere to try it on is important. If you can possibly manage doing so, it is really worth it.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  And you've already got a helmet then?

• 1:04:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, I have, I have like the, the good hard points. I just.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Okay, everything else, swans, everything.

• 1:04:51Matt Farah?

  I lost a little weight. I wanted to treat myself.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 1:04:53Matt Farah?

  For a fitting suit.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  That's fantastic.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  That sounds like an incredible event. Wow. That sounds amazing.

• 1:04:59Matt Farah?

  A lot of fun, yeah.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  You say next week? When?

• 1:05:00Matt Farah?

  The December, no, two weeks, December 6th, 7th, 8th. It's my birthday present.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Phenomenal.

• 1:05:06Matt Farah?

  Going to Texas and going racing.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  That sounds fantastic.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  That sounds really good.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Right on.

• 1:05:11Matt Farah?

  It'll be fun. And Coda's the best.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Coda's fantastic. We're very excited to go back with Hooked on Driving, for sure. Yeah, it's the first weekend of, uh, August is when we're going this year, yeah.

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  Are you, what are you driving on the track?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  TBD, because last year we drove our own cars down.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say, we're not sure.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  We drove them down and put those on track. This year, because our travel's gonna be different, I don't know that we're gonna have a chance to do that. We've gotta figure it out.

• 1:05:30Matt Farah?

  At what point do you guys get track cars in a truck? In a trailer?

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  Is YouTube gonna take a turn back up?

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  It's a slow progression, maybe?

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  I mean, hey, let me, I'll tell you the other end of this, though, because I have clients who say essentially they cannot, like, give away their race cars right now. I have, I know two people that are willing to take shockingly low amounts of money for race cars. There's apparently very little interest in secondhand sports car-based race cars.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:06:04Matt Farah?

  If you ever wanted to get, you know,

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  Now's the time, you're saying?

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  A production-based

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  Sure, sure.

• 1:06:11Matt Farah?

  Track car is not a bad time to buy.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Huh, okay.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  There's the consumer advice for this.

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  Except GT3 RSs have held their value.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Unfortunately.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  Unfortunately, kind of the, kind of what I really want.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  You're not doing bad in a GT4, though.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  No, I can't complain. GT4 manual, I really love it.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  GT4 is, there, that's a great car.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  It's a great car.

• 1:06:27Matt Farah?

  That's a great car.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  I really love it.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  It's like a, kind of a no-nots sort of car.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  It really is. I just love it. I've done very little to it for upgrades or anything. It's just fantastic. Brake pads.

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  All you do is change the motor, the gears.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Did, uh, Camber, yeah. What would you know about that? Actually, I looked into that.

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, you, you, what?

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  I looked into the, the, uh, demand?

• 1:06:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  Uh, conversion. I just looked into it.

• 1:06:50Matt Farah?

  That's full throttle, man. It really is.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  But, isn't, uh, aren't oil changes, or no, it's, uh, fuel? You have to keep a certain octane fuel in it? Really?

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, now we have pump gas tunes now. And they're better.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  Pump gas tunes are better.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  You don't have to search out race fuel to put in it.

• 1:07:06Matt Farah?

  Mine runs on 91, makes more power than it was running on race cars.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  No kidding?

• 1:07:09Matt Farah?

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Service the same? I mean,

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  Same.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  The break-in's a bitch. I mean, tedious.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  You have to do, you have to do three oil changes in the first 3,500 miles. After that, you're good to go.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  Okay, I could suffer through that.

• 1:07:22Matt Farah?

  It's pretty hardcore, though.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  I could suffer through that.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  This is the info you didn't need.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  I didn't need it.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Or just do the gear range.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, you are.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:29Matt Farah?

  If you were just gonna adjust the gears, I would just do the gears.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:07:34Matt Farah?

  If you were just gonna do one, I would just do the gears.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  The gears are so long.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  The gears are so long.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  I noticed that jumping between your car and mine. I, I definitely noticed that.

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  How much are the gears?

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  Fifteen or something. It's expensive, you have to take shit out, but, but it's a lot less than the motor.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Matt Farah?

  I mean, have you tried one yet?

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  No, I never have.

• 1:07:54Matt Farah?

  You want to drive mine? It's downstairs.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Kinda.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  You can try it.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:58Matt Farah?

  You can drive it.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  That'd be amazing.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  Transmission re-gearing for the Cayman from Sharkworks is, it says call for price now, but right now, but, but below that it says 6,000. For changing 3, 4, 5.

• 1:08:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Uh, if you want to change 2, 3, 4, 5, it's 8,500.

• 1:08:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I did 2, 3, 4, 5.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  I would say 2, 2, 3, I think for sure.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  For 8,000?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  That's a, I mean, look, to be honest, it's less than I paid. So, so whatever, you know.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  This is the advice you did not need.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  But that's, if you're, you know, if you can do both, you shouldn't do the engine without doing the gears.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Right, of course.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  Right? You're doing the engine, the wall you're in there of the gears is so obvious.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Can you work your way there? Can you do gears first and engine later?

• 1:08:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of course, but you're, but you're doubling up labor costs because you have to pull a bunch of shit out, but...

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  And also ship the car to them.

• 1:08:48Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  That's a problem.

• 1:08:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  That's...

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Dang it.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  This is gonna infest your brain now, yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Oh, you don't?

• 1:08:56Matt Farah?

  You do not, no, you don't need to go to demand to do gears.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:08:59Matt Farah?

  The demand, the gear thing that they, that they do is not proprietary. It's the same gear thing that Sharky does, or that PBI would do, or...

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, anybody who...

• 1:09:09Matt Farah?

  The gears are the gears.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:09:10Matt Farah?

  Whoever Dodson or whoever the fuck makes them and they, they take them apart and put them in.

• 1:09:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:09:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could, you could get that done later, but you're just, you're just doubling up on labor.

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  Why am I considering this as if I can probably do this? Why am I...

• 1:09:23Matt Farah?

  There's content to be had.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:09:25Speaker 03

  There's content to be made. I mean, the 4Runner, I've got the 4Runner. That's the newest thing and then...

• 1:09:30Matt Farah?

  My advice is to wait till you're tired of what you've got.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Yes, I totally agree with that.

• 1:09:34Matt Farah?

  Because a good driver, a GT4 is a fabulous thing, but a good driver can get to...

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  Because I wanted quicker power out of, uh, 12 into 13, 14, 15, 16 at Cota. You know, you've come to the end, you're braking hard.

• 1:09:50Matt Farah?

  Mine is I want to spin the tires in 3rd.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  See, I'm, I'm, I wanted that, because then you're, get all your braking done, into 12, hard left, I wanted the power and they're just, the gearing was... Why am I considering this? What am I doing?

• 1:10:04Matt Farah?

  It's the downside of mine. The downside of mine is more service intervals, right? And, um, the clutch is really heavy.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Which makes it, makes it, could be annoying in traffic.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  The GT4 is not going to be really a daily. I'll drive it around town.

• 1:10:19Matt Farah?

  But the GT4's got a light clutch.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  It does, it does. But I would think your car is more of a daily, you said more, it's not really a track car.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  My car has, has never been on a track and probably will never go on a track. It's canyons and road trips.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  This will help you.

• 1:10:34Matt Farah?

  But traffic jams.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Friend of the show and frequent patron, patron commenter Dan McInnis, who has lots of experience with these. He just paid Sharkworks to do the shorter gears.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  And the all-in cost, I hope he's okay with this, but he's telling me.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  We know Dan, keep going.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  It was 22 grand.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  22?

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  And that was what?

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  9,500 for two to five in the flywheel, 9,200 for the actual labor, labor work.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  That's the parts. That price was the parts cost.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  And another 2,800 from the dealership that pulled the trans, I guess.

• 1:11:02Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  So, that's a lot.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  That's expensive.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:11:05Matt Farah?

  So, so, look, with the labor, it really justifies, you get to save 10K by doing it at the same time. That ain't nothing. So. You can, you.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Super relatable here.

• 1:11:18Matt Farah?

  If you.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Exactly good, yeah, very good.

• 1:11:19Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you this, don't you try my car, and you can, I'm just not, I'm happy to let you, it's right there. But, you be ready.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  You're gonna like it.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  We know what the next steps are.

• 1:11:32Matt Farah?

  Nobody doesn't like it.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  That's amazing, I'm sure, yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  Maybe I shouldn't right now.

• 1:11:36Matt Farah?

  You can.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  Because.

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  But you better be, you better have available credit.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fortunately, it's a business expense.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  It is, everything's a write-off. Everything we do, at all times.

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  All cars need to be.

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  Full car life.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Camera ready, as you say, they need to be camera ready at all times for anything that we're doing, which is.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Are you guys doing any road trips that are not seriously track focused, that are more just road, road drives?

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're doing, like Todd said, Utah is the, the main one, so those are just canyons.

• 1:12:09Matt Farah?

  Mountains like by where you live?

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, we go straight down to the center of Utah, there's kind of a greatest hits there. We did one that's also this past year, we do every couple of years, which is up, up to Bear Tooth Pass, which is one of my favorite roads in the world.

• 1:12:19Matt Farah?

  That's so good.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  So we go Salt Lake to Jackson Hole to Bear Tooth. So that's a great one. That's no track connection. And typically when we've done these domestic road trips, they don't have a track element, but we're going to try in the coming year or so that we'll have the normal road trip and then it'll bump into a location that happens to have a Hooked on Driving track day. So you can go to one of the days there. If you don't get it, totally understand, or you can go to all of the above. So we're going to try to connect those if we can.

• 1:12:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well ideally, maybe you want to do it at the track days where there's like near, it's near places where there's other shit going on.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Exactly right. Yeah.

• 1:12:48Matt Farah?

  Like Gingerman where someone could hang out at the South Haven waterfront or whatever. Places like that where the track is like sort of near something.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:12:56Matt Farah?

  Not like Chuck Walla, which I love, I love, but like.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  But yeah.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Sinoma and Laguna, those are some of our faves.

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Those are some of our faves.

• 1:13:04Matt Farah?

  What is it? What is the, because I haven't, forgive my ignorance, because I haven't paid retail for a track day in a long time. It's my privilege of my job and all. What is, if you do it just a track day at Laguna, what does a slot cost these days?

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  Uh, the slots.

• 1:13:18Matt Farah?

  If it's a quiet day.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  Very. So newbies, well, novices, they would require coaching. And so their track day is actually going to be more expensive because they've got, we've got in-car coach with them. But for a Laguna track day, you're probably looking at 550 somewhere there.

• 1:13:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, is that all?

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, 550, maybe 600, but for an expert class driver, you don't need coaching. You know what you're doing. You've been to the track. You understand, ready to go. So it'd be actually less money. So cost you less as you progress through the ranks.

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  That's not bad. I thought it would be more, honestly.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  And those are the most expensive track days that Hooked on Driving runs. And we try to be premium and the safety is really good. The car count is really low. So the prices are a bit higher, but people appreciate that.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but those are the most expensive tracks in the country.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:04Matt Farah?

  Cota, Sinoma and Laguna is it pretty much.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  Watkins is up there. Watkins is getting up there.

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Fantastic track. It's starting to get up there. But it is the best.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  It's worth it.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  And in the Northeast, Santi and Cody are doing an incredible job. So there are Northeast franchise owners. They're doing an incredible job, running great events. They're actually going to have another 4th of July, Star Stripes and Speed. For Watkins Glen in 2026.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Three day monster they did this year. It was incredible.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they had camping fireworks, drifting, car show, and in addition to three days on track.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Matt Farah?

  The Glen is the best.

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  The Glen is pretty awesome. We were just there in October again and it's just superb. It's really good.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  That's a real favorite. It's so far in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  It is in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:14:45Matt Farah?

  From here, that may be the hardest place to get to in America.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  It feels like it. And the two times we've gone, I just keep going, there's not any other airport that works better than those.

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  It's so dark at night out there. It's so dark, shockingly dark.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  How is this, this dark out here?

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Both the times we've gone and we've driven there, somewhere halfway between the airport and Watkins Glen, we look at each other, we're still following the nav going, are we lost? Because there has to be something somewhere around here. There's nothing and it's pitch black.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Great day and then the sun goes down. Like, where are we?

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  Do a little Chuck, I mean Chuck Wall in the middle of the desert, they have these cabins there now. There's like 30 cabins. And they're, they're pretty chill. If you're gonna do a track day, it's like a must.

• 1:15:25Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  It's like a one bedroom cabin and it's got a little kitchen. So you could bring your, you know, I brought my own groceries to make breakfast. It was quite good actually, but you are so 40 miles into the middle of the desert. So you go outside and it's just like Milky Way.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  That's gotta be gorgeous.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  That sounds amazing.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  It was pretty amazing, actually. It was, it was good. Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:15:45Matt Farah?

  That's fun, man. You guys got a lot going on. You got, you got drives, you got track days, you got fucking videos, you got your whole.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  Podcast once a week now on video, which is crazy. Yeah.

• 1:15:54Matt Farah?

  Juggling a lot of balls.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:56Matt Farah?

  We got a lot of questions from our people.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  Oh, cool. Love it. That's great.

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  Cause they, they pay a lot of money to be here.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yes, they do. It's cool to have that support.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, appreciate that. Appreciate that.

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  And yeah, we want to recognize them from patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast is how you ask us questions for the show. Get the show live, get the show early, get the show without ads, get extra show and a whole lot more. Oh, it's shit. Did it occur? It just occurred to me that I, I think the first half of that story about Uncle Phil, I think I told that on the pro show. So a bunch of people might think fucking I'm gaslighting them because I said I talked about it on the last show, but a bunch of people don't have a last show because it was a pro show. So that's what you're missing out by not being a Patreon member at the pro driver level. You would have known about Uncle Phil's car window getting kicked out a few days earlier.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  But you got the catch up for it though. It's eight bucks a month by the way, for people who aren't familiar with our tiers.

• 1:16:46Matt Farah?

  Eight dollars!

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  There you go. Bravo.

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  It's not bad. Eight dollars.

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  It's not bad.

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You can get, um, you know, uh, you can't even get a pack of smokes in New York City for eight dollars anymore. I think cigarettes in New York are like twenty dollars. How much are cigarettes in New York these days?

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  I, that, I have no idea. I was gonna go with a five dollar. Five dollar foot long so exist?

• 1:17:07Matt Farah?

  I saw fourteen dollars. I saw fourteen dollars at one point. I was like, whoa, yeah.

• 1:17:11Speaker 03

  Holy crap.

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  When I quit in 2016, they were eleven. Almost ten years, no cigarettes.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Glad you quit.

• 1:17:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a good decision.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Glad you quit.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  It's too bad though, because you know why? Cigarettes are so fun.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  It smells so fucking bad.

• 1:17:24Matt Farah?

  So fun and they make me feel so cool and good.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  They're so nasty.

• 1:17:29Matt Farah?

  And I hate that they're so gross.

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  No vitamins in those things.

• 1:17:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's really, unlike weed.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Fiber glass? Is there fiber in that?

• 1:17:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Unlike weed, which has vitamins THNC.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Totally different thing.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Tackophile says, uh, when you, uh, when you guys, meaning you boys, uh, do your road trip experiences, how much does the work part of it? Impact your ability to really enjoy the car stuff and the drive? Uh, the more time I've spent exploring this hobby, the more I'm realizing that road tripping is my preferred car cane delivery mechanism. I thought, I, I, in the, I read that last line in my peripheral and I thought it actually said cocaine and I was like, if I wanted to run drugs, I would join their rally.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  Like, what are you really saying?

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  Who knew? Our road trips are really awesome, Matt.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  What's your route again?

• 1:18:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 03

  Dip down the.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  The South?

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  Remember when the, remember when Andrew, the Dakar truck?

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  Fake support truck in Dakar.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Oh wow.

• 1:18:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  This is a great question.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  I think the, Paul and I have joked about this before. I, doing our road trip films is my favorite thing that we do. Now, this past year, we did a road trip that was, we went from Utah to Circuit of the Americas and Circuit of the Americas to Tail of the Dragon. It was a road trip film, but it was also us hosting people on the drive, and that was too much. Trying to do a full film and host people was too much. We found the line, that was the line, don't cross it. But, the, the, the thing about the road trips, and we've done road trip films that I absolutely love, some of my favorite things I've ever done. But, Paul always jokes with me, because when we're in the middle of it, I enjoy it, but I enjoy it like 60%.

• 1:19:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  I enjoy it 100% when I'm editing it. And I have this whole new experience of seeing it, and I'm getting the experience I think I would do if I wasn't filming it when we did it. Now I'm doing that in post-production, which is weird. So I have this like delayed reaction of the road trips, and I'll tell him something about it that I'm really enjoying, and he's like, "Yeah, I was there."

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  I do not have that at all, editing anything, except the pivotal flying machine. That was the only time I edited something.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  Because I was living it, like, like, seeing it for, almost seeing it, not being out of body, and I was like, "Oh shit."

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  I didn't die, I didn't die, didn't die.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Editing car videos, I'm like, "I'm not having fun again, the way you are."

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I am for the road trips, for sure. And, and, and I'm, and I guess the part of me that's aware of all the stuff that we have to get through, so we've got to film, is at least in my brain the whole time, we're doing the road trip? And once that's released, because now I've got, I mean, whatever footage I have here is all I have.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  And now I'm able to fully be like, "Oh, this was really cool that we did this, I'm really glad we did this." It's very bizarre.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Something we, we found out about the trips, where we, early trips, we did not reveal the route. Follow the cars, follow the car in front of you, we'll, we'll make sure, we'll collect the group, make sure nobody gets lost.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Ones we take with people, yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  The ones we take with people, these, these.

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  Why would you do that?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Well, people know where we're going, but the exact when we're gonna turn off and, and pit stops along the way, just in an effort to make people try to step out and just enjoy the trip and just enjoy the scenery and take your eyes off your phone. But, that has proven unsuccessful.

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  No shit.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  Because people just need to have it in front of them and weirdly, people are enjoying it more.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  You cannot have people driving that have no idea where they're going or how long until we get there. You can't do that.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  If they have it up on their phone now, so we have, we share everything. It's a thing. So that has relieved people's minds.

• 1:20:51Matt Farah?

  If you ran that by me before you tried that, I would have told you absolutely no way that's.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  We've done it successfully for a while, but we've seen over time the tide turn on that. So we're just like, alright, so we'll give out the route.

• 1:21:03Matt Farah?

  Cause you know why? Cause the first time you do it, you've got hardcore fans, hardcore people.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  That are, that are, they trust you 100%. Once you do it a bunch of times, it's like, come on honey, this will be fun.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  That's a fair point. Yeah.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  And what do you mean we won't know and how long until I can pee? What do you mean we don't know how far until the.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:21:24Matt Farah?

  It's not good in the car. It's been bubbling in the car for a little bit before it got to you. I assure you.

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  That's funny, that's funny.

• 1:21:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I, yeah, you, yeah, you gotta tell.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  So when people come hang out with their internet friends.

• 1:21:36Matt Farah?

  That's really funny.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  But we share the trip, so good news, we share the trip, so it's relieved everybody's minds and we've got really planned, we've got it really dialed.

• 1:21:42Matt Farah?

  You know what's funny? When I do these for, for, for people for road and track.

• 1:21:48Matt Farah?

  When I'm doing it with the guests, I'm in full like customer service mode. Like the driving bit is autopilot. I'm like, are these people having fun? Am I, is everybody safe? Is everybody enjoying themselves? Well, it's like full on customer service. I, I, it's nice that I get to go do the drives by myself to make the route.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  Cause that's the like, that's the more like the spirit of the road trip and you know, the other road trip or it's the other, which I don't, don't get me wrong, I enjoy doing it. I'm doing customer service from behind the wheel of a cool car. There's worse ways to earn a living. I assure you. It's fine. And, and making films also, but making a film takes me out of, of a moment that could be very authentic if I was there to do a written piece where I can have the adventure, make a quick voice note and continue having the adventure versus like, hold on. Let's do that one again. We gotta stop and shoot this on a stand up like.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:22:42Matt Farah?

  You know, it's not, it's not really happening. Um, and unless you have enough resources to really have, do have it happen in real time and

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  Be able to do it authentically, which you have to get to a certain level to do that.

• 1:22:53Speaker 03

  We've been the same at Space. Definitely customer service. Definitely want to make sure every, are you having a good time? We keep asking people, are you, are you having fun? That's what we're here to do.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  And so there, there is an element of fun. We do love doing it. We're out there. The planning, once we're past the planning, we can actually go drive.

• 1:23:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  Stress just melts away.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  It's good.

• 1:23:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach clapped my cheeks. Uh, owner of a Lotus Elise. One minor issue I've discovered is I accidentally hit the horn during spirited driving due to the spoke mounted buttons.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  They're here, they're under your thumbs, right there.

• 1:23:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  It's the weirdest place to have the horn.

• 1:23:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I get it. Um, you've got to, you've got to adjust the fact, the tiny wheel, you gotta adjust the fact that you, you don't have to grip the wheel super hard and you gotta roll your hands out a bit and just get lighter on the wheel. If, if you roll, if you're a person that rolls your thumbs in, your thumb pads in on the wheel, and you push on the wheel at all, subconstantly with those thumb pads, you'll hit the horn all the time. You just gotta, you gotta drive the edges of the wheel. It works out.

• 1:23:52Matt Farah?

  Very funny.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  But yeah, it's the weirdest place to have the horn because the other thing is, once you get to that place where you have kind of trained yourself to not hit it, then in the moment you need the horn, you're like, where the heck's the horn?

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a weird cause for it to be.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, yeah. And it, once you know it, it makes sense, but it's a weird place to have it.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  But it's on the, but it's on the wheel. On which part?

• 1:24:09Matt Farah?

  It's the thumb spokes.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  Okay, you know, you know how the wheel has a little bulb part right before the cross spoke?

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  So you press down on it?

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  So it's on the thumb pads, right below the bulb. Like right where the cross pieces are, where you put your thumb pads.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  It's right there.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  So when you press it, does the wheel move at all? Like, does it change the steering even to a degree?

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  No, no, because it's right in the compression points where, where it goes from metal to perforated leather right there. It's right there. So you gotta get your hands a little higher.

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  Problem dude, get a, get an aftermarket steering wheel with a center mount button.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:24:38Matt Farah?

  And then just put the steering wheel in it. It's not an airbag wheel, right?

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  It is an airbag wheel.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, it is? Oh, well then, you kind of lost. Is there another, is there another Lotus that you could swap with?

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Interesting. I don't know.

• 1:24:49Matt Farah?

  Maybe an Acura. But I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't mess with that. If it's an airbag wheel, I wouldn't.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Matt Farah?

  Sorry, your host.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  But there's a decent number of people that actually take that wheel off and just put a non-airbag wheel on it, which I wouldn't do, but there's some people who've done that.

• 1:25:00Matt Farah?

  Take out airbags in a car like that.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  Agreed, agreed.

• 1:25:02Matt Farah?

  Maybe you could, I mean, one could disconnect the horn control and put

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Put a different one in.

• 1:25:08Matt Farah?

  standalone horn button if you really did care.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  That's been done, for sure.

• 1:25:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. BMW clown Schumacher.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:25:16Matt Farah?

  What's your cleaning routine after driving cars in winter?

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  This is all you, Paul.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, you definitely use your power washer. Keep that alive in your garage, but all the non, the, the non-bristly tunnel washes usually have a sprayer that you drive over, especially in Utah, we see that a lot. So you drive over it and the sensor senses your car. It's the bidet. You slowly, you roll over the bidet and you just do that quite frequently. So get your membership to your local.

• 1:25:48Matt Farah?

  Also, what about if your car isn't super low? We've done this here. The old school oscillating sprinklers.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:56Matt Farah?

  You just stick that under the car and you do, you pick, you put it in a spot and you let it go for like 20 minutes and then you move it a couple of feet, like 20, you gotta leave it a little longer.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  But it does work.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  That makes sense. I see that, for sure.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  Can you spray the bottom of your Cayenne EV where there's wireless charging and then you spray it with water and?

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  Well, they, apparently they've solved this.

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  What happens?

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  Did they take this?

• 1:26:18Matt Farah?

  Put a CD in a microwave.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Very good.

• 1:26:23Matt Farah?

  German Shepherd Transport E39 is a 98 Boxster, uh, worth a, worth, okay, hang on. Is a used 981 Boxster S for 50K worth the premium over a 40K E92 M3?

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  Uh, manual transmission for the, yeah, I think so.

• 1:26:42Matt Farah?

  I'd probably say yes.

• 1:26:44Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  I mean, I like the mid-engine rotation. The E92 is great. You know, have your car, front engine, but I do like the Boxster.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  I have a rule, which is that you shouldn't buy a car with a backseat if you don't absolutely need a backseat.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  I like that rule.

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  Adding a backseat to a car dynamically makes it so much worse. And cars that don't have backseats, all of them, drive better than the cars that do.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  And the Boxster's just lighter too. And the whole thing about it, the rotation, the weight, all of the above, yeah.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Except the Acura, but that's an outlier.

• 1:27:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:18Matt Farah?

  The Afora, eh.

• 1:27:19Speaker 03

  It's an outlier, four seats, but.

• 1:27:21Matt Farah?

  It's kind of a shelf.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  It's a shelf in my mirror and it's better for it. It's much better for it, yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Technicality.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  Glock six, will you be putting a focus on Willow Springs now that the work is going to the place? Didn't I introduce you guys to somebody at Willow Springs?

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  We're talking with Willow Springs, so the answer on that is HOD will be at Willow Springs in the future as to when. It's really going to depend on their development as they do things out there, but we're talking with them. Had a great conversation with them already, so thank you for the connection and we will be back out there for sure.

• 1:27:48Matt Farah?

  Be there on fucking Monday and I got rained out.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 1:27:52Matt Farah?

  Bummer. I would have, I would have driven it in the wet too, because it had been raining for a few days. So it would have been a little, you know, rinsed off.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  You were doing streets?

• 1:28:00Matt Farah?

  Streets. I haven't driven, I haven't driven it yet.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. We haven't either.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  Because it's new, that's the new.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but, uh, but yeah, cancelled rain. Uh, Christian says, what's the floor on a Polestar one? They're down to 50, 60K.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Christian, did you ask us, I think we got an email about a Polestar one. I think that might be you, but thanks for asking. 50 to 60, I think so, because that was always the tip of the spear for Polestar when they're trying to figure out what their company was and was not.

• 1:28:30Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:28:30Speaker 03

  They always introduce Polestar. This is the tip of our technological spear. We're trying things that the company hasn't tried before. And so for 50, 60 grand for a hundred and fifty thousand dollar car new, I'd say you're probably close to the floor.

• 1:28:44Matt Farah?

  They're such pretty cars.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  They're pretty cars.

• 1:28:47Matt Farah?

  I offered to buy the press car at a slight discount.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, but it took them like a year to get their shit together, so I did not end up buying it. Chris Harris bought one of the press cars.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  Really? But you liked it enough too?

• 1:28:59Matt Farah?

  I thought it was fabulous. I thought it was a great car.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  Cool car, 50, 60, sure.

• 1:29:03Matt Farah?

  56, like, here's the question, like, do I want one that looks like worn and shitty? And is that what 50 grand gets you?

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, fair point.

• 1:29:10Matt Farah?

  Or does 50 grand get you one that's got like 7,000 miles and looks really nice?

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:15Matt Farah?

  You know, so, like, if, you could be king of the nerds with one of those. Like, it's a good looking car, but most people won't look at it twice.

• 1:29:25Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:29:25Matt Farah?

  But you show up somewhere with one, it's like a if you know, you know kind of car.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Definitely, definitely.

• 1:29:30Matt Farah?

  And they're comfortable and they're fast and, you know.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  Sure, which are most cars, I mean.

• 1:29:34Matt Farah?

  And they can be, if, if that's a good, like, alright, if Polestar somehow becomes Tesla, in a, in a good way, not the fashion.

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  I understand, I understand, yeah.

• 1:29:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, right?

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Matt Farah?

  Then in that car, then that's the floor. If Polestar doesn't make it two more years, the floor is zero.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  You're absolutely right, yes. I was gonna ask, raise that question, is it just depends on what the future of that brand is going to be? Because they could keep dropping.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 1:30:03Matt Farah?

  And eventually, both Polestar service centers and Volvo service centers will refuse to work on it.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Matt Farah?

  Eventually. We call that the H1 Hummer problem.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah, for sure.

• 1:30:16Speaker 03

  That's good. Yikes.

• 1:30:19Matt Farah?

  Tim A. says, "For Paul, can you speak to your experience owning two Caymans simultaneously? How much do they overlap in use as PDK and manuals?"

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  Two Caymans simultaneously was fun, needed the money out of the PDK 981, but I felt like I, I love PDK, I just was done with it. I wanted to go back to manual transmission, but they're two completely different cars. And I, as soon as I drove the GT4, I, it felt like a different car. It is a different car. What I love about it is it's a parts car. It's a bunch of GT3 parts stuffed into the Cayman chassis. And I was talking to you, I was convincing you, and you were a little skeptical, I think, like, GTS, GT4, aren't they just kinda the same? And then you drove it and kinda went, whoa.

• 1:31:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not that much the same.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:09Matt Farah?

  If you're going on the track, there is a real significant difference.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  That was my point. So for track use, and my intention was for track use, as we've, you know, brought HOD into our lives and...

• 1:31:18Speaker 02

  And your 981 GTS was a really good GT car, but there's a precision to your GT4 that is a whole other level.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  There's all the GT3 stuff on it.

• 1:31:28Matt Farah?

  Christian says, "Will we get to a point in a few years where sports cars stop chasing numbers and focus on engagement? The GT3 has insane demand, then it's a pretty basic car with real controls and no extra hybrids or turbos." I, I think that's, while an accurate statement, I don't think it accurately describes the GT3. I don't think the GT3 is as basic as Christian says. It's like a $260,000 car. And we just had one at Performance Car of the Year, and it may, it may not...

• 1:32:00Matt Farah?

  It's insane to think that Porsche is not chasing numbers with the GT3. That's a crazy statement to make. That's a crazy statement to make. They just sent Yorg to the Bergmeister Ring to fucking to set the manual transmission record.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  Who the fuck doesn't think Porsche cares about lap times? That's nuts.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  Well, and there's all the real time changes and controls you can do in that car. There's so much going on it technology wise.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  But at the low end, you've got like Miata, BRZ, GR86. I mean, they're trying to improve their numbers, but I think it's like at the very low end, they're not chasing numbers. And then at the medium high end, they're trying, they have the freedom, I think, to sell things that are a little bit more niche and just for aimed at engagement.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I hope that continues. I mean, you're right. There's some decent stuff at the bottom end and I think, you know, I, I would like to think that now, we were talking about earlier, now that there's so many cars that have broken the 1,000 horsepower number. And so many of them are EVs, which are not about engagement anyway. It's just about how fast can we go. I'd like to think it creates a vacuum of stuff where we just go, okay, let's not worry about the number. Let's just make something that's cool. But the problem is that's such a niche market. Are you going to sell enough to make the R and D worth it? I mean, I love that the 86 exists and the Miata, I can't believe that those continue to stand up and be sold. But I, I do feel like we are reaching a tipping point where we can't just chase a higher horsepower number because it does, it's so fully irrelevant at this point.

• 1:33:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I just wonder like, who is buying them in mass when we have this vibes car? The new S2000.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, agreed. It's gonna be really hard to get enough people to buy it.

• 1:33:40Matt Farah?

  Who is buying that? And, and the reason that we have, you know, these really small outfits building these either resto mods or that like that Alpha thing that we drove, the Totem GT. You know, this stuff's really expensive, but it can be built in small volume for incredibly passionate people. And, and it seems like every time, I mean, granted, no one has come out with like, since the 86, no one's come out with like a really great, great affordable sports car, right?

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:13Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, agree, agree. That's the last, that's the last deduction. Yes, for sure. For sure.

• 1:34:19Matt Farah?

  Since then, like, we don't really have much, but it's not like, uh, everyone's like trying and there's been a whole bunch of terrible ones.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  You're totally right. Yes.

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  They're just not really.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  Because SUVs sell, Matt, so we're gonna make another SUV.

• 1:34:31Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Because we don't have one between like four and a half seats and five and a half seats. So there's one right there.

• 1:34:37Speaker 03

  BMW has something for you.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do, for sure. They'll make a coupe version or something. It doesn't matter.

• 1:34:41Matt Farah?

  But like, our infrastructure sucks and all, you know.

• 1:34:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:44Matt Farah?

  Normally, like, you know, I'm driving this, uh, this week, I'm driving that Rivian outside around. And I'm like, oh yeah, LA is like more like off-roading than it is like, like the Nurburgring, actually. Most of the time. And so that's why people are buying shit like this.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Totally, yeah.

• 1:35:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, Big Ben wants to know if Hooked on Driving has Canadian expansion plans.

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  Western Canada, what's the name of the track just north of, uh?

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Twenty-nine, something.

• 1:35:09Matt Farah?

  Area twenty-seven?

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  Twenty-nine, was it?

• 1:35:11Matt Farah?

  Area twenty-seven.

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  Twenty-seven.

• 1:35:12Matt Farah?

  That's on Vancouver Island, in BC.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  That's right, yeah, just straight north. Big Ben, we have talked about that particular track. We've got a great Pacific Northwest franchise and they are making some noises about it. So no concrete plans yet, but I would just say watch this space right now. Because we're talking about it. They have expressed interest and I'm glad that you are because, uh, yeah, that just shows, uh, shows interest. Really appreciate it.

• 1:35:35Matt Farah?

  John Hennessy, you next Tuesday. How similar is buying a used watch to buying a used car? Can I buy a depreciated Speedmaster for a thousand dollars and it will work the same as a new one? Assuming it's serviced. First off, if you see a Speedmaster for one thousand dollars, it's stolen or fake.

• 1:35:53Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:35:54Matt Farah?

  That is one hundred percent fact.

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  Exactly right.

• 1:35:56Matt Farah?

  Even the shittiest Speedmaster ever would be about thirty-five hundred dollars.

• 1:36:00Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, there's no one thousand dollars Speedmaster.

• 1:36:02Matt Farah?

  There's no such thing as a real one thousand dollars.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Run away.

• 1:36:04Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a moonswatch, actually.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  And you're being ripped off either.

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  You can get four of those for that price.

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  Um, it, no, yes and no. Can, there are watches, mo, the vast majority of watches depreciate like the vast majority of cars. The vast majority of watches are, don't need nearly as much service or attention as a car. And so could you buy a two-year-old Omega or Tudor or Seiko or Rolex or whatever? Uh, and in some cases, Rolex maybe not, but in some cases be depreciated? And you can save some money and get a good watch? Like, yes, absolutely. But if the price is that low, that's a shitter, one way or the other.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, run away from a thousand dollar Speedmaster.

• 1:36:44Matt Farah?

  That's either a scam, or busted, or something.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  There's also, John, there's also a sense of pride into saving for something that you really want, instead of getting it for super cheap. And you saved, and you got it, and it works, and it's authentic, and it's genuine, and that is important.

• 1:36:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, like, deal, there's deals. Getting a deal on something is alright.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  Fine with that.

• 1:37:03Matt Farah?

  It's a buyer's market right now.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:37:05Matt Farah?

  But...

• 1:37:06Speaker 03

  But not a Speedmaster for a thousand bucks.

• 1:37:07Matt Farah?

  But not a thousand dollars.

• 1:37:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:37:09Matt Farah?

  Absa motherfucking lutely not. My Speedmaster came in right before this show.

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:37:14Matt Farah?

  The Quat. The Quat. It's in the other room.

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  It is?

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  I'll let you guys talk watches after.

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  I have to see it. Can't wait to see it.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  Sit quietly in a corner.

• 1:37:23Matt Farah?

  You guys know Teddy Baldassar? That's the homie.

• 1:37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, nice.

• 1:37:27Matt Farah?

  He's the man.

• 1:37:28Speaker 03

  That is cool.

• 1:37:28Matt Farah?

  Elon Musk, Elon Musk hiring a robotaxi. That's pretty funny. That would be a pretty funny t-shirt.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  Very good, yes.

• 1:37:38Matt Farah?

  Trying to fucking fly.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 1:37:41Matt Farah?

  Do you fill your tires to the stock, recommended pressures for road driving, or do you make adjustments?

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  Use that door jam sticker. That is there for a reason. We actually refer to it quite a lot when you're on track, because when you are calculating your PSI for what you are comfortable driving on track, that is your baseline. That is the place to start, and then drop your pressures from there. That sticker exists for a reason. So, yeah, regular road driving, I'd say you can stick pretty close to that for cold temps, and then personal preferences from there.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  What do the engineers know, really?

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I don't know what that R&D was about.

• 1:38:16Speaker 03

  What do those people know?

• 1:38:17Matt Farah?

  The only time I would maybe not go directly by that is if you're going from run flats to non-run flats.

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  That's a very good point.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  That's a very good point. That's a different deal.

• 1:38:29Matt Farah?

  In which case, consult your local forum. They know everything.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  Yes, them or Reddit, I'm sure would, yeah.

• 1:38:35Matt Farah?

  Rage Against the Mock E. That's pretty good.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  Very good, very good.

• 1:38:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, you can only drive one car brand for the rest of your life. Any models, old or new, but you do have to pay for them.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:38:46Matt Farah?

  What brand are you picking? Porsche.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Porsche.

• 1:38:50Matt Farah?

  This is not a Porsche.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  It's probably gonna be Porsche. That's because of the broad, because of the breadth of it. I mean, you know, cause if I, cause if I pick Lotus, I wind up in the, uh. Electra. The Electra SUV and that, no, I don't wanna be there.

• 1:39:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you have no dailies.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the problem, you know, you know, I mean, maybe Alpha, but I, it's probably Porsche.

• 1:39:09Matt Farah?

  Oof, that would be, if you were in Europe, you could do that. You can't do that in America.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:14Matt Farah?

  Cause in Al, in Amer, in Europe, you could be driving some like dope Alphas.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:39:18Matt Farah?

  Some from the 2000s, like some, you know.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  For sure, for sure. I mean, and I would totally, I would totally drive a Quadrifoglio as a daily.

• 1:39:24Matt Farah?

  156, what's the very pretty rear wheel drive sedan that they did from like?

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  I think you're right.

• 1:39:29Matt Farah?

  Late 90s, early 2000s, that 156?

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so, yeah.

• 1:39:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach, Skrulski for me, braaah. The Stig's Laution cousin.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  Very nice.

• 1:39:39Matt Farah?

  Put a refundable deposit on the Prelude at my local dealer. Uh, I feel like it will be drive between, across between the Civic Hybrid and the SI. Your take on the Prelude, did you drive this thing?

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Haven't driven it yet, we're very excited to drive it, we wanna drive it. Uh, yeah, I'm just very curious about it. Because when we drove the Civic Hybrid, it was very funny, we drove the Civic Hybrid, at the end of that review, Paul starts building out the performance version he thinks is possible with the hybrid as, as a base. And the Prelude hadn't been announced yet. And it's amazing how similar what he was dreaming of is what the Prelude is. Now, of course, there's lots of discussion of price, where does it fit in the market, who's gonna buy it? All of those things are TBD. I think Stig's Laution cousin is, is thinking correctly here. But I, I'm really curious who the buyer is for this car. Because I struggle with it on.

• 1:40:27Matt Farah?

  Well, they sold 42 CRZs. So they're gonna start with those people.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  Exactly, those 42 are instantly gone.

• 1:40:34Matt Farah?

  They all still have their CRZs.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And those are the rare, and also that proves you can have a hybrid manual, so why aren't there more of those? Separate problem, but the, the thing about the Prelude is, I, I feel like if you want a coupe shape.

• 1:40:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  That's a hybrid, you can now just go Prius. And save yourself money. If you want a great looking, fun to drive commuter, you're spending almost forty-five grand.

• 1:41:00Matt Farah?

  Is that what this thing is gonna cost?

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  It's gonna be forty-two, forty-three.

• 1:41:03Speaker 03

  Forty-three, yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  At that point, you're...

• 1:41:04Matt Farah?

  I guess everything's more expensive now.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're close to the Civic Type R price.

• 1:41:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:08Speaker 02

  You can get a GTI loaded out, you can get a Golf R, you've got a lot of competition now.

• 1:41:12Matt Farah?

  Is the Civic SI still like twenty-nine, nine?

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  That's the thing, the Civic Type R is right about thirty. Yeah, exactly. It's a ten... That's the hard part.

• 1:41:18Matt Farah?

  What is...

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  It's the other things you can get for the price.

• 1:41:21Matt Farah?

  What's this delivering versus an Elantra N?

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  A great question.

• 1:41:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  And that's my question mark on the car.

• 1:41:26Matt Farah?

  Yep. Uh, two Porsches, one cup. Um, okay, what items are great to keep in your daily driver's console? I don't keep shit in my cars, because I'm always going car to car. Instead, I have the man purse.

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  You got the MERS.

• 1:41:44Matt Farah?

  The man purse goes with me and, uh, you know, that has my things. Do you guys keep shit in your cars?

• 1:41:50Speaker 03

  Mints.

• 1:41:51Matt Farah?

  Mints, ice riggers?

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  No, Altoids. Always Altoids. Yep, always Altoids.

• 1:41:56Matt Farah?

  You know why I like an Altoid? Because when you finish the Altoids and then you put your weed in there. It's like a menthol. You get like a menthol vibe.

• 1:42:05Speaker 03

  There you go, alright. I never thought about that.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  There you go. Alrighty.

• 1:42:08Matt Farah?

  Especially like steamed out gondola. You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  I don't, no. It's all good, though.

• 1:42:15Matt Farah?

  You don't know about the gondola?

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  The gondola.

• 1:42:17Matt Farah?

  You can put it together.

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  The gondola.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  I'll get there, yes. I'm with you. Charge cables is about the only thing I keep in my cars.

• 1:42:22Matt Farah?

  Charge cables.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  That's about it, yeah.

• 1:42:24Matt Farah?

  Are you pro or anti wireless charge?

• 1:42:27Speaker 03

  Anti.

• 1:42:28Matt Farah?

  Anti.

• 1:42:28Speaker 03

  Except for the Porsche, your car has the...

• 1:42:30Matt Farah?

  No, even the fucking, what?

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  The wireless cooling vents to keep your phone cool.

• 1:42:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, the Taycan, yeah. The Taycan has the vents.

• 1:42:37Speaker 03

  That's the only car with the vents, to my knowledge.

• 1:42:40Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it's the only car.

• 1:42:41Speaker 03

  I don't know of any other car that has vents to keep your phone cool on the phone heater.

• 1:42:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It needs it, dude. I'm wireless charging in this Rivian and I... My phone like, was like burning my thigh in my pocket afterwards.

• 1:42:54Speaker 03

  For that reason alone. It's just you're cooking your phone.

• 1:42:58Matt Farah?

  If that feels like really putting something radioactive very close to your testicles.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  Yes, it does. Yeah, terrifying.

• 1:43:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn.

• 1:43:09Matt Farah?

  Um, oh boy, will, will digital ID, oh boy, this is, I mean, okay, hang on. Will digital ID, central bank currency and your social score spell the end for the car enthusiast industry? Um, lot happening here.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Matt Farah?

  I mean, dude. This segment will be brought to you by speculation. Right. Yeah. Buy old cars, man.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:31Matt Farah?

  Just buy old, this country, no matter with any, the level of, will never legislate away the sixty-seven puck, fucking Mustang.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:43:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. There will never be a day in America where you can't drive your old car down there.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a fair point.

• 1:43:47Matt Farah?

  It's true. What's that movie, The Last Drive?

• 1:43:50Matt Farah?

  Where the guy has the Porsche nine-six-two, like, or the Porsche like nine-oh-eight, hidden away?

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Don't know.

• 1:43:56Matt Farah?

  The Last Drive? There's a movie.

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  I don't know this movie.

• 1:43:59Matt Farah?

  Where it's there, it's a post-apocalyptic, you know, all total surveillance state kind of thing.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:07Matt Farah?

  And this old guy racing driver has like a Porsche fucking nine-oh-eight, like, nine-oh-ten or Can-Am car thing.

• 1:44:16Matt Farah?

  In a, in a warehouse somewhere and he like rips it across America with like being chased by, you know, the government.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  The authorities. Across of Vanishing Point and Mad Max.

• 1:44:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, something like that.

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  Convergence of those two. Okay, have a look at that.

• 1:44:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, speaking of which, have we seen the sedans that the wealthy elite drive in the new Running Man film? I, I need to see the new Running Man.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  It's pretty good. You've seen it? Yeah, it's decent.

• 1:44:40Matt Farah?

  Did you, I mean, were you a fan of the original?

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, enough, yeah. Yeah, yeah, enough that I was like, alright, let's see what they did this time, took my son, it was pretty good.

• 1:44:46Matt Farah?

  The original has some fabulous LA location repurposing going on in it. It's really great. And, uh, Richard Dawson as the, the evil TV host.

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:57Matt Farah?

  Rolls up in that Maserati Quattroporte limo.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:45:02Matt Farah?

  Which is, that's hard as fuck, dude, this guy's in a QP limo.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Limo.

• 1:45:06Matt Farah?

  Eighties QP limo. The rear wheel arch.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  I saw an old Lagonda in the back of the, of the new Running Man movie.

• 1:45:13Matt Farah?

  Of the new Running?

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they've, they've done a lot of that.

• 1:45:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, so is that what they're, is that what he's talking about?

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  There's stuff like that going on where they're, where they've done what feels like eighties, they went back to eighties feel and they brought that stuff forward for the new stuff is what it feels like. You don't see a lot of, it, it also has that.

• 1:45:28Matt Farah?

  It's like going to Tokyo.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Well, it also has that, uh.

• 1:45:31Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  It has that demolition man feel in some places.

• 1:45:34Speaker 03

  Gundam cars.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  As far as the cars are concerned, there's a little bit of that. You'll probably like it, yeah.

• 1:45:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, demolition man, they just took GM's entire concept.

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  They did, they did, yep, yep. But it has that feel.

• 1:45:44Matt Farah?

  You learn that if you take a shit in my demolition man bathroom.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  I've heard this story, yes.

• 1:45:49Matt Farah?

  Steadfast says, uh, Paul, are air-cooled cars worth it? A 993 C2 has an entry price of around a hundred K. Is it a hundred K experience?

• 1:46:01Speaker 03

  No, no, it's not. The problem is, they're not going down from here.

• 1:46:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's, so that's.

• 1:46:07Speaker 03

  No, they're not.

• 1:46:08Matt Farah?

  That's what I think a lot of people miss about the, is it a, when you're talking about the, is it a this much experience? You're usually gotta be talking about new cars, because with stuff like this, they're, part of the reason that's a hundred K is because so many people think that it won't go down.

• 1:46:24Speaker 03

  It's true, absolutely, yeah.

• 1:46:26Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? Like, enough people believe that, so if you buy it for a hundred K and you put 10,000 miles on it, people, the people in general, the world, is confident that you, that that car will still, you know, so like.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:40Matt Farah?

  So you're not really, it doesn't cost you a hundred K to drive this car. Maybe it costs you 10 or 15, or maybe, maybe you turn a profit one day.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  You might, yeah, yeah, if you held a long.

• 1:46:51Matt Farah?

  So it's not, it's like, yes, that's, it costs money to get in.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:55Matt Farah?

  But like, you, you've only done half the math.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  True, but on the other end of the spectrum, if you're looking at it as, what's the best driving experience? Did I spend a hundred K and get a driving experience better than I would have gotten somewhere else at 50 K? Probably not.

• 1:47:09Speaker 03

  Everybody's perception is different.

• 1:47:11Matt Farah?

  Driving experience is a completely unique driving.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  It is, absolutely.

• 1:47:13Matt Farah?

  So the answer to that question is always no. You cannot get this experience from anything else besides another air-cooled Porsche.

• 1:47:20Speaker 03

  Yes, we all have to stop putting a dollar value on, is, is

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  any new car worth this amount of money? Are there? Any new Porsches, any of EVs?

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  I mean, I tried to talk about in the, the RTR review I put up today, like. There are going to be people that will say that's rad and there's going to be people, I think it's really expensive for that car, but when you do the math on like some of the competition or the predecessors, like it's actually pretty close, but it's always how much money do you have? And how much are you willing to spend of that money on this experience? It's totally subjective.

• 1:47:50Speaker 03

  It's why I blow out the budget on every car we-

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  Every single car.

• 1:47:53Speaker 03

  It's just a slender $8,000 more than you were expecting to spend.

• 1:47:57Speaker 02

  They asked for 50 and you sold them a $60,000 car.

• 1:48:00Speaker 03

  Just a slim 10 grand.

• 1:48:03Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty confident I will not make it to old age, so I'm riding fucking hard.

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  Lean in now, like, good.

• 1:48:09Speaker 03

  Lean in on, yeah.

• 1:48:10Matt Farah?

  I have a whole, I have a whole big don't touch it pile and then I have, I have a play, I do whatever the fuck you want pile and I play hard in that pile.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  I love it, that's great.

• 1:48:20Matt Farah?

  That's really the move.

• 1:48:21Speaker 02

  That's excellent, yeah.

• 1:48:22Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 1:48:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, I'm going to go straight to Demerit Parkway because this is a very interesting one. Wait, hang on, can you answer John's question real quick? What, which power stop pads did you put on your Expedition?

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  Z36 truck and toe, for sure, yeah, because you've got a heavy one and Expedition is heavy, so definitely John, Z36 truck and toe.

• 1:48:42Matt Farah?

  Copy. Demerit Parkway says, uh, both of us talk about the importance of right tires for the conditions. What tires would you run on a cooled, excuse me, I tried to say cooled, cooler, but I said, and then cold at the same time. Cooler track days where it might be below 40 degrees in the morning, would you still run a summer tire? But just take time to warm up properly before sending it? Yes, I would.

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:49:07Speaker 02

  If it's going to warm up, if the day's going to normally warm up, then why not run those tires? Yeah, you've just got to be careful going out there first thing, there are going to be hockey pucks.

• 1:49:14Matt Farah?

  Is anyone doing like a full on like winter track day? No, I mean, if you're on a racetrack, even if it's cold outside, between, between the contact patch and more importantly, your brakes heating the wheels from the inside out. You're going to get a tire up to temperature, if not on the warm up lap, on lap two or three, even if it's fucking cold outside.

• 1:49:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:49:37Matt Farah?

  Now, if you're the first car on the track, that's a different- Story.

• 1:49:41Speaker 02

  Well, and we.

• 1:49:41Matt Farah?

  The track.

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he's also talking about a forty degree temperature day. We're not talking about driving and it's below freezing. Okay, that's a different animal. So forty degree in the morning, go out there on your normal tires. Day is gonna get warmer, car's gonna get warmer, you'll be alright. Just take it.

• 1:49:55Speaker 03

  Pressures too. Watch pressures.

• 1:49:56Matt Farah?

  But if it's like below freezing, fuck you doing at the track?

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  What track day are we having? I totally agree.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:50:01Speaker 02

  Yes, for sure. There's a.

• 1:50:02Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Many other questions have to be answered. I totally agree. Yes.

• 1:50:06Matt Farah?

  Home dude. Uh, Micah Bam Bam Black says, uh, I want an incognito daily driver. Uh, I guess you mean luxurious.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:19Matt Farah?

  Wait, wait. This question, I'm sorry. I should have read this first. This question makes no sense.

• 1:50:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:50:24Matt Farah?

  This question makes absolutely no sense. If you were to be uber rich and want a daily driver that's incognito, call it a seventy K budget.

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:50:33Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, but that seventy K budget, you're doing well. You're not uber rich.

• 1:50:37Speaker 02

  Fair.

• 1:50:38Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:50:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:50:38Matt Farah?

  Uber rich is, you're, you're, you got a driver or some shit, right?

• 1:50:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:50:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, I, anyway, they, they, they think you get an Ioniq six N. So a stealth vehicle to be, to be driven in, I suppose, right?

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  It's not the Ioniq six because the.

• 1:50:53Matt Farah?

  That has the weird lights.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Well, and the roof in the back, like I, when I sit in the backseat of that thing, like my legs have all the space, but my head's touching the roof, ceiling.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  But are we being driven in this? Or are we driving?

• 1:51:03Matt Farah?

  Maybe not.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  If it's a daily, I kind of feel like this is, this is the daily hangout.

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  What if you're uber rich, but you want to look like an uber black driver?

• 1:51:11Matt Farah?

  Maybe that's what he wants. Maybe he wants to, he's rich for an uber driver.

• 1:51:15Speaker 03

  Escalade.

• 1:51:15Matt Farah?

  That's like, that's like saying, uh, I'm Louisville rich. It's like, I'm uber rich. He's like, I'm rich for an uber driver.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  I mean, a cool car, seventy K, that's not gonna get a lot of notice, is actually an M two.

• 1:51:29Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  Because unless you're a car enthusiast, it's just a BMW.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  And even car enthusiasts don't want to look at it.

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  Exactly. See, perfect. Done. Excellent.

• 1:51:37Matt Farah?

  I would say a Volvo XC sixty with the real, with, with a bunch of nice options.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:51:43Matt Farah?

  Loaded XC sixty is an, with air suspension.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:51:46Matt Farah?

  Whole interior and the B and O stereo is a very comfortable daily.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  It is very nice. Yes.

• 1:51:51Speaker 03

  Okay, that's good. I like that.

• 1:51:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And even if you're uber rich. Uh, Addy Suresh, I want a cool wagon for a hundred K.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:52:00Matt Farah?

  A custom-built M3 with a manual transmission.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Wow, okay.

• 1:52:04Matt Farah?

  An RS6 Avant or a Taycan Sport Turismo. This would be in addition to my current daily A Correr T that I would move to the weekends. I would get the Taycan if you can charge it at home.

• 1:52:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm surprised the Panamera, the actual Panamera's not included here at all.

• 1:52:20Matt Farah?

  They don't make a wagon anymore, so you'd have to go used.

• 1:52:22Speaker 03

  You'd have to go used, but for a hundred K you can use.

• 1:52:24Matt Farah?

  For a hundred K you can go used. Yeah, RS6s are great when other people have them, right?

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  Fair, fair, yeah.

• 1:52:33Speaker 03

  Fast, boring, capable.

• 1:52:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  I mean, I think, I think the, uh, um, the 63 Mercedes should be included in here too, the E63, but I don't know that you'd like it more than the other things listed, and I really think that the Panamera should be included.

• 1:52:50Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's good.

• 1:52:52Matt Farah?

  I, I, I think, I think, I mean, as someone who has a Taycan as a daily, I, I struggle to find a better one.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see that.

• 1:52:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you, I, I mean, I'm driving this Rivian right now, I, I, you know, they're, they're not known for their reliability, but it is quite a delight to drive. It's actually much more like a Range Rover than it is like an Explorer or something.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  I completely agree with that, yeah.

• 1:53:12Speaker 03

  What's the mileage on your Taycan?

• 1:53:14Matt Farah?

  Now?

• 1:53:15Speaker 03

  Now?

• 1:53:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, I just hit 34,000 yesterday.

• 1:53:17Speaker 03

  And you bought it with what?

• 1:53:19Matt Farah?

  26.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:53:20Speaker 03

  So it was practically new.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, it should, it had, it had, it had a few, yeah, two-year lease. It had a few signs of wear. It was definitely, the, the Leshr was definitely a guy who was like, this is a rental, like he treated me.

• 1:53:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:53:35Matt Farah?

  So like, it needed, I had to do like a couple little paintless dent removal, couple of touch-up paint. I had like, it was cheap because it was scruffy.

• 1:53:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:53:43Matt Farah?

  And so like, but I, I fixed it for, for fucking nothing, and so it's fine, it's fine to me. But it like, it, when I bought it, it definitely felt a little used and like, but it was so cheap, like, whatever.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I see.

• 1:53:57Matt Farah?

  The value, it, it's been 100% reliable and dependable, other than the air conditioning. The air conditioning thing was weird.

• 1:54:04Speaker 03

  What happened there?

• 1:54:05Matt Farah?

  It turned out there actually was some kind of a, a bad. Valve that they did replace, but like, uh, every once in a while, if you would try to use um, on the app, the pre-climate.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:54:16Matt Farah?

  Like, so you go to the ship.

• 1:54:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:17Matt Farah?

  Cool or whatever. Uh, it would, the app would give an error, and then when you got to the car to drive it, it would think the air conditioning was on, but it wouldn't blow cold air.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:54:27Matt Farah?

  Blow ambient, but it didn't throw an error code or anything.

• 1:54:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:54:30Matt Farah?

  So I found out that you could reset it by doing a soft sleep cycle, which is just park the car, shut it off, walk away, lock it, and get the fob out of range.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:41Matt Farah?

  For like three minutes and then come back and it, that would, it would be back.

• 1:54:43Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:54:45Matt Farah?

  So, I did, that happened like twice. They fixed the valve thing. It hasn't happened since, under warranty. So like, that's the only reliability thing that's happened. Alright, fine, no deal, whatever.

• 1:54:57Speaker 03

  And you're fine now, you're?

• 1:55:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cars are great.

• 1:55:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Seems like a great day.

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 1:55:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's lovely.

• 1:55:03Speaker 03

  Those are cool.

• 1:55:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, we are starting to see more, Lane Myers-Manks says, we're starting to see more manual swaps in the cars that were never offered as manual, like two thousands Mercedes. Uh, if cost and feasibility were no object, what car never offered with a manual, would you swap and why?

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  How about the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio?

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:55:27Speaker 02

  That'd be really cool with a manual.

• 1:55:28Matt Farah?

  That would be fun.

• 1:55:29Speaker 03

  Or just ship them over from Europe.

• 1:55:31Matt Farah?

  They made it with a manual?

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  Or no, they didn't make.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  I don't think.

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  They offered a manual, the base car in manual.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  Do the Alpine one ten, do that one?

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:55:38Speaker 03

  They went ten, yeah.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  The four C, your favorite.

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:55:41Speaker 03

  How about new? How about a new?

• 1:55:44Speaker 02

  But no, I, I think a Quadrifoglio with a, with a manual would be awesome.

• 1:55:47Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:55:48Matt Farah?

  I'd like to see a Ferrari four or five eight.

• 1:55:51Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:55:51Matt Farah?

  Speciale.

• 1:55:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go, yeah.

• 1:55:54Speaker 03

  The three sixty challenge?

• 1:55:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  Manual swaps? Do you know what those cost now with the manual swap?

• 1:55:59Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 1:55:59Speaker 03

  They're four hundred plus.

• 1:56:01Matt Farah?

  What are they without a manual swap? They, are they more?

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  Less, significantly, like a hundred grand less.

• 1:56:08Matt Farah?

  I'd rather, I'd rather, if I was gonna do. I'd rather just build that myself.

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:56:13Matt Farah?

  You could do it yourself for a lot less money.

• 1:56:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen.

• 1:56:16Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't want, something like that, you don't want like some provenance car, you want a car, cause 360s are so fun to beat the snot out of, and you do not, they're boring to baby. You want to be able to rip one.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  You want to rip them, yeah.

• 1:56:31Matt Farah?

  You don't want provenance, you want just, you want fucking disposable.

• 1:56:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, Johnny E V Gearberman, uh, NC Miata or Pontiac Solstice GXP? Miata.

• 1:56:45Speaker 03

  I'm going NC, yeah.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  The, the Solstice and Saturn Sky Redline, both of those are, I so wish GM had done a second gen, they were so close.

• 1:56:54Matt Farah?

  They were there.

• 1:56:54Speaker 02

  And they're cool, and they're a lot, they're much better car for the money than you think they are. They're overlooked and underappreciated. Having said that, the NC, which was the unloved Miata, and it's one of the rare ones I actually fit in, the reality is, those were unsung for a while, now they're on the rise, there are parts like crazy, people are tuning them into monsters. Anything you want to do to that car is available, and if something goes wrong on your Solstice or Saturn, you're gonna be in real trouble trying to solve it. Right. So, all of that is the NC.

• 1:57:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, the Flying Miata NC Carb Legal Turbo?

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:57:25Matt Farah?

  Which we did.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Yes, I think you guys drove the heavy duty one, we drove the, the more, the more simple one, there's like two levels of power, we drove the lower one.

• 1:57:32Matt Farah?

  We drove a white one.

• 1:57:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:57:33Matt Farah?

  With a black roof.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  We drove Jordans, so, uh, but anyway. It maybe. That's what we drove.

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  It was Jordans.

• 1:57:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's phenomenal.

• 1:57:40Matt Farah?

  It was rad.

• 1:57:41Speaker 02

  And, and I mean, it felt stock, power was amazing, but there's just so much you can do to those cars now. And, uh, seriously, just body panels on the Solstice and the Saturn are hard. So, yeah, anyway.

• 1:57:51Matt Farah?

  Body panels, they're not something you want to get into with, with a car that's not that expensive.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:57:56Matt Farah?

  Finding body panels.

• 1:57:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:57:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, wow, good questions today, guys.

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, great stuff.

• 1:58:00Matt Farah?

  Thank you, uh, thank you guys for coming in.

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  Awesome. I know it was last minute, thrilled to be here.

• 1:58:04Speaker 03

  Great to see you.

• 1:58:04Matt Farah?

  It was always lovely to see you, and I'm, and we actually were gonna do a show today anyway, just instead of a show with me and him, it became a show with you guys.

• 1:58:11Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:58:11Matt Farah?

  Which is lovely.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Thanks for having us.

• 1:58:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, next time, dinner.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  Be great. We love that, appreciate the offer, thank you.

• 1:58:17Matt Farah?

  Maybe if it rains, we can watch the. Can slide down.

• 1:58:20Speaker 03

  What do you guys do for fun in LA?

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  That's fantastic.

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  Wait till it rains.

• 1:58:24Speaker 02

  The weekend we had in LA.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  If you watch trash go down down the street.

• 1:58:28Speaker 03

  You haven't lived yet.

• 1:58:30Matt Farah?

  We're coastal elites. You want to drink beer and watch the trash cans.

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  Slide down the friggin hell.

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  See, we're not so different.

• 1:58:37Speaker 02

  Instagram gold right there. I love it.

• 1:58:39Matt Farah?

  But I'm gonna show you.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  It's great stuff.

• 1:58:42Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  Don't want to know. I want to drive your car. I don't think we have time today.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  Also, you don't have budget today to drive.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  I don't have, because it's gonna sell me.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  It crushed my dreams too. I was like 22 grand, huh?

• 1:58:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's fucked up. It's fucked up how it happens. Yeah, yeah. And then you have to paint yours pink. It's a whole thing.

• 1:58:59Speaker 03

  You have to what?

• 1:58:59Matt Farah?

  Paint it pink.

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  Oh, pink. Well, I've got the Gentian blue.

• 1:59:02Matt Farah?

  Gentian blue.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  He's quite.

• 1:59:05Matt Farah?

  Press car provenance.

• 1:59:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, hey.

• 1:59:07Matt Farah?

  Can you prove your car wasn't the press car?

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:59:10Matt Farah?

  You should question all Gentian blue.

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  That's very funny.

• 1:59:13Matt Farah?

  Every press car in Porsche is Gentian blue.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  That's okay. I love it. I think it's awesome.

• 1:59:17Matt Farah?

  Of course, everyday driver.com, hooked on driving.com. Is there a special one for the road trips or is that within the everyday?

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  One of those two would get you there anyway.

• 1:59:27Matt Farah?

  You know, you know where to find all these guys. We love them. Paul and Todd, thanks for coming, guys. See y'all later. Bye.