Pod Insights Happy Sad Confused Rebecca Ferguson, Vol. II About this episode Rebecca Ferguson always makes an impression -- whether it's on the big screen in MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE,, on the small screen in SILO, or in interviews like this! Rebecca joins Josh to talk about leaving MISSION, joining PEAK BLINDERS, and why she called out a misbehaving co-star.
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0:59 Josh Horowitz? Did Ethan and Elsa ever sleep together?
1:02 Speaker 03 No.
1:02 Josh Horowitz? Okay, I'm just checking. You would know?
1:04 Speaker 03 Absolutely not. I saw them more as... I don't... It sounds incestuous to say siblings because there was clear moments of infatuation. But again, I didn't direct it. You know, I can offer up ideas or I can question why she would look longingly at Ethan in a gondola, but if your director wants something, then that's what your director gets. And they edited together and you're stuck with that outcome. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins.
1:41 Josh Horowitz? Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the pod, Rebecca Ferguson is back. It's been way too long. One of my favorite actors on the planet. So charming, so fun. We're talking Peaky Blinders, Mission Impossible, Silo, and so much more. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast and joining us on Spotify or YouTube, however you're doing it. I appreciate you guys. Remember to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already. Spread the good word of what we do around here. And as always, remember to check out our Patreon, patreon.com/happysadconfused. If you like what I do over here, there's even more over there in terms of bonus content, early access. We announce guests. We let you ask questions of guests from time to time. And we've got merch and...
2:27 Josh Horowitz? Live announcements, live guest announcements, all sorts of fun stuff. Patreon.com/happysadconfused. So yes, busy time around here in the happy sad confused world as always. Teasing some stuff coming up before we get to Rebecca today. We got some Project Hail Mary stuff coming up. You've probably heard the buzz for this one. It is as great as has been talked about. I've seen this one twice already. Really special piece of work from Lord Miller starring Ryan Gosling. Some of those folks, maybe all of those folks might be on the podcast very, very soon. So stay tuned. Some really cool Project Hail Mary stuff only on Happy Sad Confused. But that's not what we're talking about today.
3:10 Josh Horowitz? Today we are talking about the unicorn that is Rebecca Ferguson. We all fell in love with her, I think, fair to say, really on Mission Impossible. Most people really came to know her then as Ilsa Faust, that iconic character. She made it her own. She somehow kind of stole Rogue Nation out from under the brilliant Tom Cruise. All due respect to Tom, but like Ilsa just made the elevated that film. And since then she's been killing it, whether it's in Doctor Sleep, the Dune films. And now co-starring in Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man. This is a great film, by the way. If you haven't watched Peaky Blinders, first of all, what have you been doing? Great show.
3:56 Josh Horowitz? Fantastic work from Killian Murphy and that entire ensemble from Stephen Knight. And now this feature film, and they really have made a feature film. This is not like a glorified two-part episode of the show. I will say, I was really impressed, not that I was surprised because Peaky Blinders has always been very cinematic even in its television work. But this one looks and sounds great. It's got a great ensemble and it adds in Rebecca and Barry Keoghan to the mix. Tim Roth, I couldn't recommend it highly enough. I've, I really enjoyed this one. I got a chance to moderate a Q and A with the entire cast, including Killian. And, and then, yeah, on the heels of that, got a chance to sit down with Rebecca for
4:37 Josh Horowitz? this, she plays kind of a long lost connection to Tommy in this. I don't want to reveal too much. She plays a gypsy who has kind of a very, I don't know, a familial connection. To Tommy, you'll see. Anyway, that film is going to be on Netflix this Friday, I believe. It's in theaters right now. Check it out. Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man. But we cover so much more in this conversation, as we always do in Happy, Sad, Confused. Of course, we talk a lot about Mission Impossible, and spoiler alert, the death of Ilsa Faust, and Rebecca now has a little distance from it, so I would definitely want to talk to her about her perspective on that. A lot of, I know the fans had a lot of thoughts on how Ilsa went out, and certainly you can tell Rebecca has some thoughts, too.
5:22 Josh Horowitz? We talk a little bit about Silo, two more seasons coming up of that. Her work on Dune, she clearly loves working with Denis Villeneuve. A little hint of how much we're gonna see of her in Dune Part III. And also some conversation about that infamous conversation she had a couple of years ago, where she kind of outed a bad behaving actor on a certain set. She's never named the actor, and she's not gonna name it today, but got some really interesting insight into why she went out of her way to discuss that bad behavior on set, and why it was important to her. So Rebecca is always a delight. I'm such a fan of her. Like I said, she's kind of a unicorn. There's something very specific and unique about her
6:05 Josh Horowitz? in the best possible way, and I love chatting with her. And it had been a while since we had the deep dive. So I know you guys are gonna enjoy this. I certainly did. Without any further ado, here is me and Rebecca Ferguson. Ready for this?
6:19 Speaker 03 Are you ready?
6:20 Josh Horowitz? Never. Not for you.
6:22 Speaker 03 Are you ready? Thank you for the interview.
6:24 Josh Horowitz? Oh, yeah, yeah. Speed dating, junket style. No, it's good to see you.
6:27 Speaker 03 How you been?
6:29 Josh Horowitz? That's basically what junkets are.
6:30 Speaker 03 Have you done it?
6:30 Josh Horowitz? Speed dating? No, thankfully.
6:32 Speaker 03 I haven't either. No, but it looked like it. No.
6:34 Josh Horowitz? That was our version of that. It's been a long time. Welcome back to the podcast.
6:38 Speaker 03 Thank you. Second time.
6:40 Josh Horowitz? Second time. As I told you, your Killian's double D.
6:43 Speaker 03 I know, but he has more movies coming out.
6:45 Josh Horowitz? He's pretty press shy, too. I take that as a badge of honor.
6:48 Speaker 03 I know. Does he get a hat next time?
6:50 Josh Horowitz? He does. He gets a hat. It's very stylish.
6:53 Speaker 03 And he would wear it?
6:54 Josh Horowitz? Would he?
6:54 Speaker 03 Would he? I don't know.
6:56 Josh Horowitz? I don't know if it's as fashionable as the cap from Peaky Blinders. Wouldn't go with that outfit. Are you a podcast listener?
7:02 Speaker 03 No.
7:03 Josh Horowitz? You don't listen to any podcasts?
7:05 Speaker 03 No.
7:05 Josh Horowitz? Okay, so Rebecca at the gym, she's going for a run. What are you listening to? I'm a weirdo that listens to podcasts.
7:10 Speaker 03 So I don't run. I don't go to the chip, no. I, I try and when I listen, I've listened to a couple, but you asked in general.
7:20 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
7:21 Speaker 03 My friends and makeup artists sort of in silo, they all listen to podcasts and always crying ones.
7:26 Josh Horowitz? Right.
7:27 Speaker 03 Um, and I've listened to some and they are great. And I did use one to go for a walk. I started going on more walks because I wanted to listen to them.
7:35 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
7:36 Speaker 03 But I think my life has been so busy that when I jump in the car at five in the morning.
7:42 Josh Horowitz? Silence.
7:42 Speaker 03 Silence. And then there's just, you know, 500 people around you.
7:46 Josh Horowitz? But then you're in your own thoughts and I don't know about you, my brain is a dangerous place to live inside.
7:51 Speaker 03 People is never silent around me. There's just constant conversations, cast, crew members. And filming non-stop.
7:57 Josh Horowitz? Leave her alone. Just give her some space, people.
7:59 Speaker 03 And the idea of jumping in a car and then putting in podcast in my ear.
8:02 Josh Horowitz? Fair enough.
8:02 Speaker 03 No.
8:02 Josh Horowitz? How would you say you are as a promotional?
8:05 Speaker 03 And actually to get back to it, then do you know what I find really hard is when I want a podcast?
8:09 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
8:09 Speaker 03 I don't know which one to search for.
8:11 Josh Horowitz? Start with Happy, Say Confused. You can start there. 700 episodes, 12 years, we got a lot for you.
8:15 Speaker 03 Here we go.
8:17 Josh Horowitz? How would you say, how would you rank yourself as a promoter of film and TV? You've, because it strikes me, you've worked with the best, like the top, like, you know, Tom, Dwayne, Hugh. These are like creme de la creme. They know how to promote movies.
8:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, Emily Blunt.
8:31 Josh Horowitz? Emily Blunt.
8:32 Speaker 03 Meryl Streep.
8:33 Josh Horowitz? How would you say you are as a promoter?
8:35 Speaker 03 I think if I start analyzing myself, I'm going to turn out to become really crappy. I, um, I don't overanalyze. I don't overthink. I don't plan. I don't rehearse.
8:48 Josh Horowitz? This is why you're the best.
8:49 Speaker 03 I don't know if that's good or not.
8:51 Josh Horowitz? It's good.
8:52 Speaker 03 I think I sometimes walk out going, did I say all that?
8:54 Josh Horowitz? There are two extremes. You want either like the really polished person.
8:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:58 Josh Horowitz? That's just like spot on. They give you exactly what you want.
9:00 Speaker 03 They get the little tidbits.
9:02 Josh Horowitz? Talking, putting, he's.
9:03 Speaker 03 He's incredible. Incredible.
9:05 Josh Horowitz? And then you want the wild card. I like the wild card.
9:09 Speaker 03 You got it. You have no idea what's gonna happen.
9:12 Josh Horowitz? By the way, self-serving, I got the cruise cake. I'm on the cruise cake list finally.
9:17 Speaker 03 Oh, you got the cake?
9:18 Josh Horowitz? I made it, Rebecca.
9:19 Speaker 03 I didn't know journalists or podcast makers got cake.
9:22 Josh Horowitz? I've hosted two of his premieres. I felt like I was due.
9:26 Speaker 03 Well done.
9:27 Josh Horowitz? It was honestly one of the top three professional moments of my life.
9:30 Speaker 03 I like the little glittery thing that comes with it and...
9:33 Josh Horowitz? Do you know what I did? So I'd been talking about it publicly during interviews for years.
9:37 Speaker 03 Trying to get it.
9:37 Josh Horowitz? Trying to manifest it. When I got it, I didn't believe it because I thought someone was fucking with me. I thought like Simon Pegg is like sending me...
9:44 Speaker 03 Love from Tom Cruise.
9:45 Josh Horowitz? I called the bakery.
9:46 Speaker 03 You did?
9:47 Josh Horowitz? I called the bakery to corroborate.
9:50 Speaker 03 That's hilarious. You know, there was a year when I didn't get the cake. And we were on set and I said, "Am I just off the list then? Has something happened?" And he was like, "I'm sorry?" And I said, "Am I off the list?" And he went, called his assistant and went, "Can you check? Is Rebecca on the list?" And then I got it again.
10:07 Josh Horowitz? This is what I live in fear of. I had 10 seconds of joy and then I was like, "What if I don't get on it next year?"
10:11 Speaker 03 I know. And he also, he's an overfeeder.
10:14 Josh Horowitz? Right.
10:14 Speaker 03 He feeds people.
10:15 Josh Horowitz? Just generally?
10:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:16 Josh Horowitz? Even that cake is like small but dense. It packs a wall.
10:19 Speaker 03 Oh, you get the small one?
10:20 Josh Horowitz? Okay.
10:21 Speaker 03 Oh, okay. Okay.
10:22 Josh Horowitz? All right, cool.
10:22 Speaker 03 I was hoping for some hierarchy here.
10:24 Josh Horowitz? Let's talk about Peaky Blinders.
10:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:26 Josh Horowitz? This movie is excellent. It's fantastic. You're pretty self-critical, generally speaking. Fair to say?
10:33 Speaker 03 Um...
10:34 Josh Horowitz? Of yourself or your films or what?
10:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think, no, not the films. I think some films, yes.
10:41 Josh Horowitz? You've made perfection after perfection. They're all aces.
10:43 Speaker 03 No, no, they really aren't. But I think, I think it is when you get too comfortable maybe. And again, it comes back to that whole self-analygy. If you start sort of overthinking what you're doing and... And I can watch it. I cringe. I look at it and I think, "Oh God, that was a bad choice." But I like looking what we've done together. I like seeing the thing together. I love going to the premieres with the other actors and the filmmakers.
11:09 Josh Horowitz? Has the silo experience helped that, being such a, I mean, you're an executive producer, you're so part of the creative process too. Can you divorce yourself a little bit more from the performance aspect and just sort of appreciate the whole?
11:20 Speaker 03 No, I don't think that I, I don't know what it is to have a producer cap on yet. I have things that I'm producing within my company, which hasn't yet taken off. And that is a lot, it's a lot of work. I've sometimes questioned if I want to do it because it takes a lot of effort.
11:38 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
11:39 Speaker 03 And to build and a lot of different opinions and where the script goes and where do we want it to go. But I think on Silo, the main thing for me, and I've talked about this a lot, is how we feel when we come to work.
11:51 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, creating that environment.
11:52 Speaker 03 And that is everything for me, to be able to feel free to create and feel safe and to have fun and. And I felt that actually with Peaky, I'm not producing it, I'm just dipping my toe in it.
12:04 Josh Horowitz? You've seen, it's interesting looking at the choices you've made because some of them, you're, you know, you're front and center, you're a co-lead, you're a lead. And then there are these films, you know, there's Dune, there's this, where you're kind of like dipping in and out these really cool character pieces. And something, I guess, like analogous to Mission, like, you know, you are coming into something that already exists. You kind of know what it is going to be. There's a security in that, I would imagine.
12:26 Speaker 03 Which isn't always good.
12:28 Josh Horowitz? It's not always good.
12:29 Speaker 03 No, not always. I mean, if there is an alchemy and there is something, a frequency that's already set.
12:34 Josh Horowitz? And then there's less creativity, there's less like.
12:36 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, so the question is, what are you? What is the new setting for the new character in an already set environment?
12:41 Josh Horowitz? Right.
12:41 Speaker 03 And that's challenging and fun. You've sort of, there's been all these obstacles that these main characters have had to climb and conquer.
12:48 Josh Horowitz? Yep.
12:48 Speaker 03 And now you are one, sort of, who are you within this setting of, of, of characters that all the audiences know about?
12:55 Josh Horowitz? Right, because you want to blend in seamlessly yet also stand out and fuck with the whole environment.
13:00 Speaker 03 It's a dance, yes.
13:02 Josh Horowitz? So, okay, so for this one, Killian is the gold standard. Every actor wants to work with Killian. And that's the reason ultimately to really do this, to get to mix it up with Killian.
13:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, for me it was. And then I found out Barry was in it and that blew my socks off.
13:18 Josh Horowitz? Have you worked with Barry before? No.
13:19 Speaker 03 No, no.
13:19 Josh Horowitz? He's such an exciting actor.
13:21 Speaker 03 He's, I think he's one of the top actors that we have.
13:23 Josh Horowitz? Agreed.
13:24 Speaker 03 And being in a film with him, and actually Tim as well. And I'm not just saying it, it was. And Graham, you know, Stephen Graham. It's like such an incredible ensemble. I didn't get to be on the receiving end of everyone, obviously. But the dynamic with Barry, it was so different than the dynamic with Killian.
13:44 Josh Horowitz? I was gonna say, so I'm thinking of those two in particular, because Barry, to me, is electric. He's, there's something unpredictable. There's something always that draws you in, but is a little bit dangerous. And Killian is just a charisma machine. Those eyes like bring you in, and there's just like this certitude, this solid nature. It feels like a guy that's really come into his own. He's always been great, for 20 years, he's been amazing. But it feels like now he's at this level.
14:10 Speaker 03 Not 21, I would say 20, yeah, I agree, yeah. That's the bar.
14:14 Josh Horowitz? So for you?
14:15 Speaker 03 What did he do 21 years ago?
14:16 Josh Horowitz? I don't know, nothing. He was nothing.
14:19 Speaker 03 28 days.
14:21 Josh Horowitz? Please, that's like 25, actually, now that I'm thinking about it. I'm bad with math. So, wait, did you know Killian, go just like as a casual, as a friend?
14:28 Speaker 03 No, we had the same agent. So Adam Schweitzer is our agent. And it was sort of a running joke, because I kept saying to Adam, when am I, when am I gonna be in a film with him? Like, what is he doing next? You know, I'll be a teapot, you know, I felt like a stalker after a while.
14:41 Josh Horowitz? You'd be a good teapot.
14:43 Speaker 03 Anything, I can be chip.
14:46 Speaker 03 And then one day he called and said, I have Killian's number, here it is, he wants to talk to you.
14:51 Josh Horowitz? So does he, does he present you with a script, the role? Like, how fully formed is it when that happens?
14:56 Speaker 03 I remember I was in Grease. You know, it's funny how you remember. I remember exactly where I sat. I remember the phone call. I remember them saying, it was Zoom as well, with Stephen Knight, Tom and Killian, where they sort of presented it. I must have received the script beforehand.
15:13 Josh Horowitz? Okay.
15:14 Speaker 03 And I read it, and it was great. It was an incredibly well-written script. And then I had some thoughts and ideas and questions, and I asked to have a Zoom, and I was terrified.
15:25 Speaker 03 Because these guys know each other.
15:26 Josh Horowitz? Right.
15:27 Speaker 03 And they're confident in the script, and they're comfortable, and I'm gonna break in and be like, guys, I have a couple of
15:33 Josh Horowitz? Little, I think I can really plus up your show here.
15:36 Speaker 03 But they were so, you know, not a mean, but they were just so collaborative.
15:41 Josh Horowitz? Right.
15:41 Speaker 03 And I thought, this is great. I wanna be in this, I wanna be in this environment.
15:47 Josh Horowitz? You didn't wanna do the accent, that was your prerequisite.
15:49 Speaker 03 Hell no.
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17:00 Josh Horowitz? Do you, again, we're getting into kind of the self-critical thing. From my understanding, you feel like accents are not your specialty.
17:07 Speaker 03 I feel that as soon as you have to do an accent, obviously my accent is so weird because I'm born in Sweden.
17:15 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, I don't know, I mean, I know where you're from, but like to hear you speak, I don't understand what this is.
17:19 Speaker 03 But it's sort of, it's old school English. So my mom was brought up in Norfolk and she went to a couple of private schools, got expelled from private schools, she was a rebel. And then when she was 20-something, she moved to Sweden and then she met my dad. So I have this sort of mixed, otherworldly, non-existing sort of Swedish intonation to a very sort of old-school RP accent.
17:42 Josh Horowitz? Yes.
17:44 Speaker 03 Which I guess is just mine. But what I feel with accents is as soon as you have to do an accent, it can get very claustrophobic.
17:52 Josh Horowitz? Right.
17:52 Speaker 03 Because ad-libbing and making things up.
17:55 Josh Horowitz? Yes.
17:55 Speaker 03 If you don't have the history of an accent, like when we do American, which is still, can sound Irish if you're not American.
18:04 Speaker 03 There's a possessive, not possessive, there's a forwardness, it's a new country, they want to be seen and they want to be heard and they emphasize words and self-pronouns, me, I, you, whilst in England, you don't have to because they conquered the world.
18:17 Josh Horowitz? Right.
18:17 Speaker 03 There's another arc to the rhythm. So when you ad-lib and just want to go offbeat and off-script. It has to be so in your DNA. And it's another layer to the acting.
18:30 Josh Horowitz? Do you have a... Have you played American much in your career? I'm trying to think now.
18:34 Speaker 03 I'm doing silo.
18:35 Josh Horowitz? Silo.
18:35 Speaker 03 Silo does. And that kind of works the way that we do it. And I'm quite free in it because we've lived 250 years, 300 years underground.
18:42 Josh Horowitz? Right.
18:43 Speaker 03 And there would have been so many different people and different sort of...
18:45 Josh Horowitz? Right.
18:45 Speaker 03 So we get away with it.
18:47 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
18:47 Speaker 03 But...
18:48 Josh Horowitz? But you do have one of these voices, these accents, whatever it is, this amalgamation you described. It's like I put it in the Kristoff Waltz category. It's like I can... It's so... It's a mesmerizing. And you have a gift, like, don't fuck with it. Like, use that. That's a real asset.
19:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it does... The intonation of the English, because it was my mom's way, they had to do RP. It sounds posh, so, you know, it's oddly... You're stuck in a category, you know? It's not sort of the working class sound, but I'm classless because I'm not English.
19:17 Josh Horowitz? Right.
19:18 Speaker 03 You know? So it's tricky. I'm not really free to move, and yet I just move however I want.
19:24 Josh Horowitz? It's interesting, this role in particular. So this is a woman, a gypsy who... And this is kind of like your witchy era, I feel like. You know, between Rose of the Hat going back a few years to Lady Jessica, this woman. You're dabbling in the occult, the dark arts. What's going on? Are you manifesting something? Is the universe looking for you to do something?
19:42 Speaker 03 No, and I'm kind of sick and tired of the roles. I don't... I don't... I don't love playing witches. I don't love films with witchcraft and animated characters. So I know it's weird that I've done them, but I think, on a whole, I was excited to find the truth within her character. What was her agenda?
20:04 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
20:04 Speaker 03 Her belief is something else, and I can, you know, live with that. And it's a heritage throughout the entire Peaky story. You want to do Peaky? There's Romany and there's gypsies.
20:12 Josh Horowitz? Of course, it's part of it, yeah.
20:13 Speaker 03 And that's juxtaposition of the violence of the Peaky.
20:16 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
20:16 Speaker 03 And the supernatural and the spiritual and the sort of fortune telling. And it was truth, and that's what it was.
20:24 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
20:24 Speaker 03 So you can't not lean into it. But I kind of leaned out of it and let...
20:30 Josh Horowitz? So you're exiting your occult era. You're ready to be a little more grounded.
20:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, but again, they're all very different.
20:37 Josh Horowitz? Sure, of course.
20:37 Speaker 03 They're all very different, but I mean, I am, I'm not seeking them out.
20:41 Josh Horowitz? Are you superstitious generally? Do you believe in, do you have mantras, things before you go on set?
20:47 Speaker 03 No, no, but I, when I have fears for certain things, I don't like other things happening if I'm going to do something. Like, for example, I don't love flying. But if someone says something about it, or someone starts knocking on a plane, I get very uncomfortable when their superstition starts coming into my world.
21:08 Josh Horowitz? Right.
21:09 Speaker 03 Someone has to touch a plane before they go on, and I think, well, I'm clearly gonna die now. Like, you've clearly, I mean, we're going down.
21:16 Josh Horowitz? We're doomed. You just did this to all of us.
21:19 Speaker 03 It's like, I'm not gonna go and raise it, but I think, really, mate, just, just, just be.
21:24 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
21:24 Speaker 03 Just stop that.
21:25 Josh Horowitz? Hide your neuroses. Don't wear them on your sleeve. I do feel like you're a secret neurotic, because you present as confident as just like, I mean, I trust you. I believe in you, but the elevator, the elevator thing's real? That's a real thing?
21:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:39 Josh Horowitz? Have you, have you sought like hypnosis, anything to?
21:42 Speaker 03 I have done hypnotherapy. I, I'm willing, I'm trying to, I did this thing with someone. I don't know where he was, LA maybe. And he could somehow tap into me through the phone. So it's a session started with him kind of saying, are you okay for me to enter you?
22:01 Josh Horowitz? Never a good start.
22:02 Speaker 03 Never a good start. I remember like on the bed going.
22:05 Josh Horowitz? Maybe, let's.
22:07 Speaker 03 Going, mate, I'm willing to do anything right now. And he said, I'm just gonna tap into you, and I'm going to release the locks.
22:14 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
22:15 Speaker 03 And I was like, dude, I am open to do anything here.
22:18 Josh Horowitz? Whatever works.
22:19 Speaker 03 Didn't work, and I maybe wasn't open. I don't know. I know, I don't know how spiritual I am in that sense, but I think claustrophobia is a lot of control.
22:29 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
22:30 Speaker 03 And release of control, and just accepting.
22:33 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
22:33 Speaker 03 The lack of control. And I, I just, I hate it. I, I want an exit. I want to be able to get out.
22:41 Josh Horowitz? Well, you're not at least on the extreme, you're not on the Billy Bob Thornton level.
22:44 Speaker 03 Well, what does he do?
22:45 Josh Horowitz? Oh, he, he's afraid famously of a lot of things, but antique furniture, for instance, very specific.
22:51 Speaker 03 Wow.
22:51 Josh Horowitz? I know.
22:52 Speaker 03 Antique, not vintage, so he has a certain era. It needs to be a certain age. He doesn't sit in it?
22:59 Josh Horowitz? He doesn't want it around. But it's Billy Bob. I mean, you would expect nothing less.
23:03 Speaker 03 I think wasn't Woody Allen famously wouldn't drive under bridges and viaducts or something?
23:08 Josh Horowitz? Doesn't surprise me.
23:09 Speaker 03 So he had to go over. Imagine mapping that route out, going to set.
23:11 Josh Horowitz? I wouldn't say much because you're, this elevator thing is a real impactful thing.
23:15 Speaker 03 I know, yeah, yeah, that is so true.
23:16 Josh Horowitz? So Quentin Tarantino says, hey, Rebecca, I've got the final film, you're my star. By the way, it takes place in an elevator, it's a thriller.
23:24 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
23:25 Josh Horowitz? What do you say?
23:25 Speaker 03 Great. Have you built the set and do you have an exit? Let's shoot. We had to do that with-
23:30 Josh Horowitz? Show me the schematics.
23:30 Speaker 03 We had to do that with the ornithopter, which we called the horny-thropper.
23:34 Josh Horowitz? Right.
23:36 Speaker 03 The sex name.
23:36 Josh Horowitz? Who called it the horny?
23:37 Speaker 03 The horny-thropper.
23:37 Josh Horowitz? Who called it the horny-thropper?
23:38 Speaker 03 I think we all had just sex names for anything.
23:40 Josh Horowitz? Sure.
23:41 Speaker 03 Because that's what happens when you're in the desert together for months. There's nothing else to do, mate.
23:46 Josh Horowitz? It feels like a Brolin idea. It feels like Brolin started it.
23:48 Speaker 03 It might have been Brolin, actually. But it was a metal door that shut through a button.
23:56 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
23:56 Speaker 03 And I, I just don't trust mechanics.
23:59 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
24:00 Speaker 03 And I don't trust metal things going into metal things because if it doesn't work, it's stuck inside.
24:05 Josh Horowitz? Right.
24:05 Speaker 03 And we were inside and said, don't worry, I've got the button. I went, where the fuck are you? And he went, I'm outside. And I was like, well, what if, what if the button breaks? And he's like, well, we've got mechanics, we can drill you out.
24:13 Josh Horowitz? Right.
24:14 Speaker 03 And I was like-
24:14 Josh Horowitz? I don't want to rely on being drilled out of something.
24:16 Speaker 03 So they built a whole set. So we had the ornithopter and the whole one side was black felt.
24:22 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
24:23 Speaker 03 So I could just walk out.
24:24 Josh Horowitz? You've ruined Dune for me now. Every time I'm gonna watch it, I'm gonna, I'm saying, there's the horny-thropper.
24:28 Speaker 03 I know. My, yeah, my space suit, the, the Fremen suit, the still suit.
24:34 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
24:34 Speaker 03 They all had buckles and being, mine was Velcro, so I could just go.
24:39 Josh Horowitz? That was yours only? It was the custom Velcro version? It's good to be you.
24:44 Speaker 03 I don't know. I mean, to be honest, it's quite hindering in the world. It's fun, but it's also-
24:51 Josh Horowitz? Fun to talk about in a podcast, but in the day to day-
24:53 Speaker 03 You said, close the door. I've already checked that the windows go, yeah.
24:56 Josh Horowitz? I'm sorry, I just set you off. I triggered you.
24:57 Speaker 03 It's okay, we're all right.
24:59 Josh Horowitz? Yeah. Are we though?
25:02 Josh Horowitz? Okay, so you kind of manifested this. You were a casual Peaky fan, a big Killian fan.
25:06 Speaker 03 Yep.
25:06 Josh Horowitz? Can we manifest anything else? Is there a TV show, a film franchise that, just as a fan, would be nice to get that phone call?
25:14 Speaker 03 I mean, yes, I mean, I am inspired and in awe watching what Jessie Buckley is doing right now.
25:23 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
25:23 Speaker 03 And there's nothing of me saying I'd like to take it away. It's more looking and going, there is phenomenal filmmakers out there. There are possibilities out there and something I'd love to get into.
25:37 Speaker 03 I guess it's the drama, you know, I hate the word character driven because it's such a bland, boring comment.
25:44 Josh Horowitz? Well, you would hope everything is character driven.
25:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. I mean, I know, it's like you play powerful women, you know, or.
25:50 Josh Horowitz? I play a woman and hopefully there's power and weakness in all of it.
25:54 Speaker 03 All of it, but I think for me, it's maybe the sort of the two-hander. It's the, it's the stillness, it's, it's everyday sort of. I'd love to get into that, the dark, gritty feelings that we don't express.
26:06 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
26:06 Speaker 03 And just to tether into them and feel them and strain them and pull them and cut them. That's what I want to do.
26:12 Josh Horowitz? Does Rebecca Ferguson still have to audition? Are those days behind you? You don't, you shouldn't have to audition, I'm gonna say it out loud.
26:18 Speaker 03 I don't, I don't audition, no. I, I remember when there was a moment when it was like, you've been offered this and I thought,
26:26 Speaker 03 is that happening now?
26:29 Speaker 03 But we still do sometimes, you know, generals, when you just wanna, it's for the director to feel you. Denny and I did it for June.
26:36 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
26:37 Speaker 03 Denny called and he wanted to have a, a meeting and I think he wanted to feel me out.
26:42 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, as a human.
26:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, and how we would work together, you know? It's not all about what's gonna be displayed in front of camera. It's how are you gonna receive me and, and my ideas? And equally to me, you know, it's, it's not always a one-way streak.
26:59 Josh Horowitz? Right, because you're, you're spending months and months and months and it's not just the role, it is the lifestyle, it is.
27:05 Speaker 03 And looking back now, two films later, I regret it. I shouldn't have done it.
27:09 Josh Horowitz? It's three films, isn't it? Didn't you do three of them?
27:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, it hasn't come out yet.
27:14 Josh Horowitz? Are co-stars now afraid to fuck around on set with you? Since your infamous comments a couple of years back. You outed a celebrity without saying that, saying who it was. That's probably like a nice byproduct. It's like fuck around and find out Rebecca Ferguson is watching.
27:30 Speaker 03 I think my intention going into that podcast, he was great and I wasn't, again, thinking that I was doing something. I think the conversation we had was about what have you learned through your years of filming?
27:45 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
27:46 Speaker 03 And sort of working with other people. And the memory came up and it was nothing preempted. And I don't want to out anyone. And I know it becomes interesting and exciting and everyone goes down the street. But I could care fuck all for people to find out. The whole journey was, why is it so hard sometimes in environments to speak up? Why is it that some people, whether it is insecurities, get the autonomy to be dicks or whatever they are? What gives them the right?
28:19 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
28:19 Speaker 03 But then I take the responsibility in my own hands and say, why do I give them the right?
28:23 Josh Horowitz? Right.
28:24 Speaker 03 And that's maturity. And that is also in hierarchical settings. You know, people talk about number ones on call sheets, et cetera. But it's a really difficult balance. And I think it's in any job, you know? It doesn't matter which one it is. There will always be people where you feel lesser than and they make you feel lesser than.
28:42 Josh Horowitz? And it's who has the power, whether it's on a set or anything.
28:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:45 Josh Horowitz? And, you know.
28:46 Speaker 03 And to be able to go, oh, from the moment you walked in, I don't feel safe.
28:51 Josh Horowitz? Right.
28:51 Speaker 03 And what's happening is this dynamic now is making me feel that I can't be my best.
28:57 Josh Horowitz? Right.
28:58 Speaker 03 And I'm only doing everything to please you because you're so unstable for me. And that is not me blaming the other person. That is me going, how do I gain that power back? And I can still find that hard. So I don't know if people are scared. I think, I think. Everyone is so different and I would never want everyone across the board to be just generally nice people, but no, I like creative crazy.
29:25 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
29:26 Speaker 03 But...
29:27 Josh Horowitz? There's a difference between creative discussion, argument, even arguments at times.
29:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:32 Josh Horowitz? And creating an environment that closes you, closes others off.
29:34 Speaker 03 And I would like people in the beginning of their career to know that you have a voice and you have a right, but it's hard when you don't have the backup of other people once you voice it.
29:44 Josh Horowitz? So have you put a clause in the will 75 years from now, this person shall be named upon my death?
29:50 Speaker 03 No. No, I'm not eager to run towards the script where they might be, but everyone changes. And also to that, even me.
29:59 Josh Horowitz? Right.
30:00 Speaker 03 So who knows what that would be like now.
30:01 Josh Horowitz? We'll be right back with more Happy, Sad, Confused.
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31:12 Josh Horowitz? So backtracking a bit, I've heard you talk about like, growing up, like, this wasn't the goal. You were kind of a bit of a late bloomer and kind of like discovering this as a passion. Is that fair to say?
31:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, it kind of came to me.
31:24 Josh Horowitz? Like, what were you like as a teenager? Were you kind of just seeking like, who you were?
31:28 Speaker 03 I mean, I got my first role when I was 15. So I was young.
31:33 Josh Horowitz? You were thrust into it, or through happenstance it happened.
31:36 Speaker 03 And the casting process probably happened late 14, going into 15.
31:42 Speaker 03 But I went to a very good music school in Sweden.
31:46 Speaker 03 Our choir sang at the Nobel dinners and it was a really, really prestigious, good school. And the expectation of our school, the grades, we were much, took longer for us to get higher grades. So if you left the school and went to another one, all of your grades went up one bump. So a lot of people did that, leaving, very smart of them. Stupid people like myself stayed and got mediocre grades. But I think I was always quite, I had a very eccentric mother and a father who was sort of very much of a Swede, comfortable sort of lawyer. And I was in the two different worlds.
32:23 Josh Horowitz? Yes.
32:24 Speaker 03 And chameleon through a divorce. And I think I wanted to just be normal and whatever that was, I didn't know. But I didn't want to stand out.
32:34 Josh Horowitz? This is not unique to you. Any young person, generally speaking, at least for a phase of their life, is like, just, I don't want to...
32:41 Speaker 03 I just don't want, and yet the eagerness, there was the eccentricness kind of came out. But once it came and people watched you, I would blush and I didn't know what to do with it. So I was very lost finding myself as a kid. Because I also didn't really have that freedom and the safe space to find it. You know, divorces are hard and, you know, I love my dad, I love my mom, we have a great relationship. But growing up, if you don't have your shit sorted when you're divorced, it usually hands goes on to the kid.
33:13 Josh Horowitz? Well luckily, you found your voice with Ocean Avenue. That's where you really came into your own.
33:20 Josh Horowitz? For those that don't know, and I know you talked about this...
33:22 Speaker 03 For those that don't know, let's go into it, shall we?
33:24 Josh Horowitz? A Swedish-American soap opera.
33:25 Speaker 03 Megan Fox was in that.
33:26 Josh Horowitz? I know, a Swedish-American soap opera filmed in Miami Beach. You, Megan Fox. I think there are 130 hours that you guys made of this?
33:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I think they aired two episodes and then they cancelled it.
33:39 Josh Horowitz? I don't even.
33:40 Speaker 03 I don't even.
33:41 Josh Horowitz? There needs to be a documentary about this.
33:42 Speaker 03 I mean, there should be, and thank God there isn't. But it was a funny one. The creators, I think, had made Dawson's Creek, which is so weird, because I met Joshua.
33:51 Josh Horowitz? Sure.
33:52 Speaker 03 Today, for the first time.
33:53 Josh Horowitz? Joshua Jackson.
33:54 Speaker 03 And I was weirdly awestruck and a bit starstruck.
33:57 Josh Horowitz? You were colleagues before.
33:59 Speaker 03 Because.
33:59 Josh Horowitz? You were basically working in the same field.
34:01 Speaker 03 Well, not really. So I think they said, this is going to become like a Dawson's Creek. And I was like, that's amazing. But it turned into pre-bad soap opera to like, one of those really bad porn films.
34:13 Josh Horowitz? Right.
34:14 Speaker 03 You know, bad lighting.
34:16 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
34:16 Speaker 03 Bad writing.
34:17 Josh Horowitz? Yeah. Without the fun sex stuff.
34:19 Speaker 03 With none of it. I mean, absolutely none. But I was 17.
34:23 Josh Horowitz? Oh, my God.
34:24 Speaker 03 And I lived on Miami Beach. And it was a hoot. You know, it's one of those moments that you don't.
34:29 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
34:30 Speaker 03 You don't regret.
34:32 Josh Horowitz? So did you overlap with Megan? Did you know Megan Fox at the time?
34:35 Speaker 03 No, I mean, we were different circles. And I think I was a bit older, she was younger, she was in another crew, I was with the Swedes.
34:43 Josh Horowitz? Sure.
34:43 Speaker 03 And she wasn't Megan Fox, you know. And we also had one of the singers from Pussycat Dolls. Like, it was a weird ensemble.
34:50 Josh Horowitz? This needs to be rebooted. It's time to do a sequel.
34:53 Speaker 03 Absolutely not. But we had really famous stage actors from Sweden in the show, yeah.
34:59 Josh Horowitz? It's a job.
35:00 Speaker 03 It's a job.
35:01 Josh Horowitz? Also a job. How about this as a segue? Mission Impossible, we've talked many times about this one.
35:06 Speaker 03 Which one?
35:07 Josh Horowitz? It's OK.
35:08 Speaker 03 OK.
35:08 Josh Horowitz? It's OK. Did you ever find out who the actor was that they were going to cast?
35:11 Speaker 03 Nope. Did you?
35:12 Josh Horowitz? No, I'm sure it's.
35:13 Speaker 03 Oh, OK. Oh, I thought you did.
35:14 Josh Horowitz? Oh, one of us.
35:15 Speaker 03 For a second there, I went, Jesse Buckley? No, I get it.
35:21 Josh Horowitz? How did you? Did you watch Final Reckoning? Did you ever see it?
35:24 Speaker 03 The last one?
35:25 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
35:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:26 Josh Horowitz? OK.
35:27 Speaker 03 Did you?
35:27 Josh Horowitz? Of course.
35:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:29 Josh Horowitz? So how did you feel about Ilsa's passing in Dead Reckoning, Part One? Can we have a little bit of a postmortem on that?
35:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think.
35:39 Speaker 03 She was so brilliantly written and it was so well executed. And I think there's just sort of that much you can do with a character until she starts feeling like a team player.
35:55 Josh Horowitz? Right.
35:56 Speaker 03 And I think we had these conversations, me and Chris and Tom. And my contract was a three-picture deal, you know, so you can renegotiate to move on or you can sit down and go, I'm not sure there is enough room, you know, it's Ethan. It's his story and there's a lot of other people in, you know, we have incredible Vanessa Kirby, Hayley Apple, Pam Clemente.
36:17 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
36:17 Speaker 03 So I think a hard exit is a cooler ending.
36:23 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
36:24 Speaker 03 Than kind of lukewarmly diluting into a team.
36:28 Josh Horowitz? Right.
36:29 Speaker 03 Because she was always supposed to be unpredictable. She was always supposed to be an equal and was to Ethan.
36:36 Josh Horowitz? Did you, were you happy enough with the actual, that exit was chosen in terms of the death scene, that sequence?
36:42 Speaker 03 I don't write it.
36:43 Josh Horowitz? Okay, okay. What did you make of the fan response of like, everybody was like, she's coming back, she's not really dead.
36:49 Speaker 03 I know.
36:50 Josh Horowitz? And you, you didn't want to, you know, rate on their parade, but you knew the truth.
36:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:55 Josh Horowitz? Was that odd to kind of like be on the outside looking in? I mean, it must be lovely to see the fans that just had such a connection with that character.
37:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, and it's sad because she was so well executed. Chris, Chris wrote an incredible character and it was, it was also so much fun to be a part of. Like, it was such an extreme, I will never experience anything like it.
37:15 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
37:16 Speaker 03 What comes with traveling and the training and the camaraderie and it's just, it's phenomenal.
37:21 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
37:21 Speaker 03 And I think there's nothing more to be said. There was an ending, it needed to happen, you know, there are different versions to how it happens and why it happens and, and I think people were sad because she was so well executed, you know, and, and it's a big risk to kill someone off like that.
37:41 Josh Horowitz? Did Ethan and Elsa ever sleep together?
37:44 Speaker 03 No.
37:45 Josh Horowitz? Okay, I'm just checking, you would know.
37:46 Speaker 03 Absolutely not.
37:47 Josh Horowitz? No.
37:48 Speaker 03 I saw them more. As, I don't, it sounds incestuous to say siblings because there was clear moments of infatuation. But again, I didn't, I didn't direct it. You know, I can offer up ideas or I can question why she would look longingly at Ethan in a gondola, but if your director wants something, then that's what your director gets. And, and they edited together and you kind of, you're stuck with that outcome. But what I loved about her was the unpredictability and her strength.
38:21 Josh Horowitz? Yes. One scene I do want to mention before moving on, because it's an all-timer and it's in your first appearance in the, in the series. Rogue Nation, the Opera House sequence.
38:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:31 Josh Horowitz? It's an all-timer. It is a perfect marriage of editing, music, action, suspense.
38:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's phenomenal.
38:36 Josh Horowitz? Do you remember the first time you saw it all put together? I mean, does that, is that, do you have, hold that in the high estimation that everybody else does?
38:43 Speaker 03 Mission, you only get to see, many films you do, you get pre-screenings.
38:47 Josh Horowitz? Right. But you're there at the premiere with us.
38:49 Speaker 03 Mission, you see on the first day with the audience at the premiere. And it was a huge screen that they set up in the Opera House.
38:58 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
38:59 Speaker 03 Was it an IMAX? I think they set up that, wasn't it?
39:03 Josh Horowitz? All I remember is it started about two and a half hours later and I was hungry, but I was still happy.
39:06 Speaker 03 I know, but Tom does, you know.
39:08 Josh Horowitz? He did, does everybody. He did a wardrobe change in the middle of that carpet.
39:10 Speaker 03 Did he?
39:11 Josh Horowitz? Yes, he disappeared for half an hour.
39:13 Speaker 03 And we're all going, Tom, mate.
39:16 Josh Horowitz? I get, I appreciate it and I love it.
39:17 Speaker 03 That is so Tom, he will rock in going, what are we waiting for? And I go, you, always you, when he bursts out laughing. He's like, okay, come on.
39:24 Josh Horowitz? But the point is that when you saw that, you saw what McHugh had done and you were impressed by that sequence.
39:30 Speaker 03 It was great, yeah. It's a good sequence.
39:32 Josh Horowitz? It's amazing. All right, so you touched a little bit on Dune. I'm always astounded by folks like Denis, Nolan, they talk about like this too, of like, these folks that work at the biggest scale possible and are yet very actor-friendly seemingly from, by all accounts. What is he, how is he accomplishing that on set? Can you pinpoint for me a little bit what he does?
39:52 Speaker 03 There is no one like Denny. He is actually Tom Harper, he also has... There's a genuine kindness. And it's a very fine balance to be able to maintain generosity, a softness. He leans back, he listens, but he has authority.
40:15 Josh Horowitz? Yep.
40:16 Speaker 03 You have enormous respect for him. If you're gonna come in with an idea, come with it. He might take it, he might not. He might walk away halfway through your sentence because he's thinking and you stand there. Sometimes he comes back, we laugh so much. It's so Denny, he goes, wait two seconds. And he goes, and he goes, and he comes back and he goes, I was thinking about it. But he comes back two hours later and you go, okay, you processed. But he's just intelligent, creative. He's a master. And he works with people that he makes better and they make him better. It's a symbiosis and there are far and few in between.
40:55 Josh Horowitz? Can you compare and contrast your experience on the third part? I mean, by all accounts, you could not have been in the third part.
41:01 Speaker 03 I just dipped my toe in. I have literally no, I have no sort of comments on it. The script is great, I've read it. I think it's gonna be fantastic, but my journey was number one and two.
41:12 Josh Horowitz? Okay.
41:12 Speaker 03 I don't even think she was supposed to be in three.
41:14 Josh Horowitz? Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
41:15 Speaker 03 And then Denny was like, I need to have one scene.
41:18 Josh Horowitz? Okay.
41:19 Speaker 03 And I get one scene. But that was a weird feeling, walking onto a set that you know so well and knowing that you don't have a part of it.
41:30 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
41:30 Speaker 03 It's sort of, there's a lot of FOMO.
41:33 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
41:34 Speaker 03 And the acceptance of this is just what it is.
41:38 Josh Horowitz? Right, serving the story at the end of the day.
41:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, just serve.
41:42 Josh Horowitz? So you read the entire script though? It's not one of those things where you get your three pages.
41:44 Speaker 03 Oh, no, no, no, but I always read an entire script. I would never go into anything blind.
41:49 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, you could be burned that way.
41:51 Speaker 03 Also, no, why would I? We do it for the film, for the viewing of it.
41:56 Josh Horowitz? Where is Doctor Sleep in your rankings? Rose is such a special character.
41:59 Speaker 03 He's a good one, isn't she?
42:01 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, delicious to play and enjoyable one to play despite.
42:04 Speaker 03 Animated, over the top.
42:05 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, good wardrobe.
42:06 Speaker 03 Quirky.
42:06 Josh Horowitz? Good hats.
42:07 Speaker 03 Good hat, barefoot.
42:08 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
42:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I love, we worked with a guy called Terry Notary, who's, do you know?
42:13 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:14 Speaker 03 He did many of the apes and planets of the, he's un- Believable. If you haven't watched on YouTube.
42:20 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
42:20 Speaker 03 There's a moment where he goes through four different monkeys.
42:24 Josh Horowitz? Right.
42:25 Speaker 03 In his body movement, using crutches for the gorilla.
42:28 Josh Horowitz? Right.
42:29 Speaker 03 Ah, he's so good. But we talked about this animalistic group of people who suck steam. We didn't go far enough into it, I wish we had, but nearly like cockroaches and creatures and how they crawl on top. It became more sensual and sexual.
42:45 Speaker 03 But I think what we were trying to do is more animalistic, but it's hard to move a whole group.
42:50 Josh Horowitz? Are you interested in, have you done performance capture? Have you done that?
42:53 Speaker 03 No.
42:53 Josh Horowitz? Does that intrigue you at all?
42:54 Speaker 03 No.
42:55 Josh Horowitz? No.
42:55 Speaker 03 What, performance art?
42:56 Josh Horowitz? Performance, well, performance capture, meaning.
42:58 Speaker 03 Oh, performance capture, sorry.
42:59 Josh Horowitz? Sorry, meaning like the ape thing.
43:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you meant like Marina Abramovich or stuff.
43:02 Josh Horowitz? That's it, you'd be amazing. Get in a museum and just stand there for 12 days.
43:06 Speaker 03 Wow. Well, who knows?
43:09 Josh Horowitz? No, but a performance capture, like the Avatar, the ape thing.
43:11 Speaker 03 I did, I've done, I've done, when I played Morgana, Morgana in The Kid Who'd Be King.
43:16 Josh Horowitz? Oh, yes.
43:16 Speaker 03 I got to have the onesie and the dots and I had a huge, long fishing pole with a, with a tennis ball hanging on it.
43:24 Josh Horowitz? The dream of being an actor.
43:25 Speaker 03 I grew.
43:26 Josh Horowitz? But did you find that?
43:27 Speaker 03 Jump around, absolutely. I felt ridiculous and I loved it.
43:31 Josh Horowitz? You've said, but you've never done theater. Does that not intrigue you?
43:34 Speaker 03 It does, and I've never done it. It's come to me a couple of times.
43:38 Josh Horowitz? I'm sure.
43:39 Speaker 03 But I've either been too busy filming or it's been something too grand. I remember John Hurt saying to me, when we worked on Hercules. He said, if you ever get roles, or if you get a role to be on stage, you work yourselves from the smaller theaters up to the big. You never start big.
43:58 Josh Horowitz? Right.
43:59 Speaker 03 And I had an offer once to go on to one of the big stages or theaters. And I just heard his voice mantra in my head and I thought, no, it's just a no. Stop asking me, it's just a no.
44:10 Josh Horowitz? He's one of those that's come up. Gary Oldman talks about him a lot, like he was like, kind of his mentor.
44:16 Speaker 03 Isn't Gary incredible? He gave me a hug once and I nearly, my legs nearly just gave away.
44:21 Josh Horowitz? I, I'm gonna like tear up thinking about all my conversations with him. He's the best.
44:24 Speaker 03 He's phenomenal.
44:25 Josh Horowitz? And.
44:26 Speaker 03 He's so bloody earthy.
44:28 Josh Horowitz? And yet also still has like all the anxieties and self, you know, like he doesn't think he's the most brilliant actor.
44:35 Speaker 03 Bit of torment.
44:35 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, which is so endearing. I don't trust the actors that think they're God's gift.
44:39 Speaker 03 No, and you shouldn't. Have you ever met any of those?
44:41 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
44:41 Speaker 03 Have you?
44:42 Josh Horowitz? I'm sure probably the actor you're not talking about is one of them.
44:45 Speaker 03 No.
44:46 Josh Horowitz? No?
44:46 Speaker 03 No.
44:47 Josh Horowitz? Okay.
44:47 Speaker 03 I think a lot of bad behavior comes from insecurity.
44:51 Josh Horowitz? True.
44:52 Speaker 03 And I think people who are secure, I don't really know what. I haven't really met an actor who walks onto stage
44:57 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
44:58 Speaker 03 completely full of themself and woe is me.
45:01 Josh Horowitz? Right, right. No, I just, I trust the ones that doubt.
45:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, and also curious. Curiosity is so important.
45:09 Josh Horowitz? It keeps you sharp too, if you think you're, you know, the next job could go one of two ways.
45:14 Speaker 03 No, it's like Killian said, you're only as good as your next job. That's all you have, you know?
45:18 Josh Horowitz? Okay, so you've finished Silo. We have three and four coming up in the next couple of years.
45:24 Josh Horowitz? Where's your head at? I mean, would you do another series right now? Do you need a different kind of experience?
45:30 Speaker 03 I am treading very carefully with my choices right now.
45:37 Speaker 03 I do not want to lock myself into a long show.
45:39 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
45:41 Speaker 03 With that said, I had this conversation with Killian. And I was like, would you ever, you know, do another limited or a show? And he was like, for me, it's not the format. It is just down to the writing.
45:53 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
45:54 Speaker 03 If the writing is there, other things can be acceptable, you know? And I've always read scripts and kind of gone, yeah, there's a story here. I like the story. The writing isn't great, the dialogue isn't great, but we can work on that.
46:06 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
46:07 Speaker 03 And now I'm at a stage where I go, zero tolerance for bad dialogue writing. And it's so unique to get something
46:14 Josh Horowitz? Right.
46:15 Speaker 03 where you feel it come to life, you know?
46:18 Josh Horowitz? And do you know just from experience that even with the best of intentions, like, yeah, we're gonna work on it? It's never gonna get better.
46:23 Speaker 03 It's so hard though, isn't it? You know, I was talking to someone about TV shows and I was like, well, I wonder what Succession was like. You know, I think Succession was amazing and so well-written. And I thought, oh, I'll read the first episode. So I read it and I was like, it's, obviously the acting is sublime, but the writing
46:39 Josh Horowitz? Was there.
46:40 Speaker 03 is just, it just exudes out of the script.
46:44 Josh Horowitz? Yes.
46:46 Speaker 03 So I feel like I'm at a point where I can Hold out and not have to jump into anything. I'm not in between two seasons of Silo and wanting to do something else.
46:59 Josh Horowitz? Right.
46:59 Speaker 03 Just to get, you fill the gap.
47:01 Josh Horowitz? You're good.
47:01 Speaker 03 Right now.
47:02 Josh Horowitz? You've earned a...
47:03 Speaker 03 I can just stay a bit cool and see what comes.
47:06 Josh Horowitz? Well, it's kind of like where Killian was coming off of Oppenheimer. He didn't jump into like five things. He like, I love that he like went back to his close collaborators. He did Steve, he did this.
47:14 Speaker 03 Although I did say to him, if you are doing The Bone Temple 2, fuck, I want to be, that's phenomenal.
47:21 Josh Horowitz? Oh my god.
47:21 Speaker 03 I know.
47:22 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, I'm...
47:22 Speaker 03 He was like, there's nothing for you.
47:25 Josh Horowitz? No.
47:25 Speaker 03 No, he didn't say that.
47:27 Josh Horowitz? You could be a zombie, you could just run around.
47:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. Again, a bloody teacup.
47:31 Josh Horowitz? Okay, we're gonna end with this. Happy, sad, confused, profoundly random questions for you. Don't kill your career like Jessie Buckley did. Dogs or cats?
47:39 Speaker 03 I wish I could say dogs, but I have cats.
47:43 Josh Horowitz? No apologies.
47:45 Speaker 03 Good.
47:47 Josh Horowitz? What do you collect?
47:48 Speaker 03 What I collect?
47:49 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, do you collect anything?
47:50 Speaker 03 Stolen items from set.
47:52 Josh Horowitz? That's just called being a thief, that's just...
47:54 Speaker 03 Oh, just borrowing on long term.
47:56 Josh Horowitz? Eh, are you ever going to return?
47:57 Speaker 03 Liberate, not much, maybe. I do collect, I have so much stuff from films.
48:03 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
48:03 Speaker 03 One of my favorite ones is a skull from Hercules. And it is so good, the skull, and it's got the teeth and the hair. And my daughter, when she was five, had show and tell at school. And I was like, I know what, you could do the skull. And being my daughter, she was like, that's amazing. She walked in with a little Sainsbury's plastic bag. And apparently was told to put it straight back in because she was creating a very uneasy environment for the other children.
48:28 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, you got a phone call from the school, like, I'm glad the Rebecca Ferguson vibes are being passed on to them.
48:36 Josh Horowitz? Probably the Ferguson kid. Real video gamer, favorite video game of all time?
48:42 Speaker 03 Mario, any form of Mario, Mario Kart and Crash Bandicoot. I am simple and old school.
48:47 Josh Horowitz? Perfect. The Dakota Johnson memorial question, she asked me this. Would you rather have a mouthful of peas or one pea in your butt?
48:53 Speaker 03 A mouthful of peas or a pea in my butt?
48:55 Josh Horowitz? Oh, not pea, bee, I'm sorry, it's not that easy. Oh.
48:57 Speaker 03 Oh, bees in my mouth or one pea in my butt? Ooh.
49:03 Speaker 03 Both.
49:04 Josh Horowitz? Okay, that's a new one. New territory.
49:07 Speaker 03 Sorry, I thought we are supposed to enjoy it, right?
49:09 Josh Horowitz? Yeah. What's the wallpaper on your phone, Rebecca?
49:15 Speaker 03 I have a picture of my my son and myself. It's a Polaroid picture.
49:23 Josh Horowitz? Sweet.
49:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:24 Josh Horowitz? What's the worst note a director has ever given you?
49:29 Speaker 03 What is my agenda? Think about your cash you're getting paid.
49:34 Speaker 03 Which wasn't much, by the way.
49:37 Josh Horowitz? Is this the same infamous set? No, different experience.
49:39 Speaker 03 No, different experience.
49:40 Josh Horowitz? Okay, last thing for you. In the spirit of happy, sad, confused. An actor who always makes you happy.
49:48 Speaker 03 Oh, Steve Zahn.
49:50 Josh Horowitz? Great, love it. Movie that makes you sad?
49:57 Speaker 03 What was the last thing? Adolescence was the last thing I watched that really made me sad. I can't watch Hamlet.
50:02 Josh Horowitz? Yep.
50:04 Speaker 03 Sirat.
50:05 Josh Horowitz? Oh, amazing.
50:06 Speaker 03 Amazing, but also heavy. Yeah.
50:09 Josh Horowitz? And a food that makes you confused. You don't get it.
50:14 Speaker 03 Oh, that's such a good question.
50:17 Speaker 03 Fries on a pizza.
50:19 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, why? They're both great on their own.
50:21 Speaker 03 Or sausage in the pizza dough.
50:24 Josh Horowitz? In the pizza dough.
50:25 Speaker 03 So where you hold.
50:26 Josh Horowitz? Yeah.
50:27 Speaker 03 Then in America, they put sausage. So once you're done with a pizza, you turn it and you've got a fucking hot dog.
50:32 Josh Horowitz? Don't blame, this is not an American, this is not like all of Americans are doing this.
50:35 Speaker 03 All the Americans do this, across the board.
50:37 Josh Horowitz? We have a lot of bad things, that's not something.
50:39 Speaker 03 Daylight saving and sausage in the pizza crust.
50:42 Josh Horowitz? Pizza Hut has been doing this for decades, just inserting things into the crust. Why are we doing it?
50:46 Speaker 03 No, minimalism.
50:49 Josh Horowitz? Peaky Blinders.
50:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:51 Josh Horowitz? The Immortal Man.
50:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:53 Josh Horowitz? It's fantastic, everybody should check it out.
50:54 Speaker 03 They should.
50:55 Josh Horowitz? And if they know what's good for them. And we're gonna talk Silo, I'm sure, later this year, next year.
51:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, let's do it.
51:01 Josh Horowitz? A lot of work to discuss. Thanks for doing this.
51:03 Speaker 03 Thank you. Thank you for doing this.
51:06 Josh Horowitz? That's the next film. Not yet.
51:07 Speaker 03 That is a Killian joke.
51:09 Josh Horowitz? Yeah, I heard you said he's a dad joke guy.
51:11 Speaker 03 He's a dad joke guy.
51:12 Josh Horowitz? Who would've thunk it?
51:13 Speaker 03 Not me. It was confusing once it happened.
51:16 Josh Horowitz? Are you a mom joke person? Are there mom jokes?
51:18 Speaker 03 Well, in a sexist world, there should be. In a sex, equal sex.
51:23 Josh Horowitz? Right.
51:24 Speaker 03 There should be. I don't know, we don't really say mom jokes, do we?
51:27 Josh Horowitz? No, I've never heard of. What would that be? That's just jokes.
51:29 Speaker 03 Just brilliant, intelligent jokes.
51:31 Josh Horowitz? There you go.
51:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:33 Josh Horowitz? Good to see you.
51:36 Speaker 05 And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh.
51:55 Speaker 06 Hey, first time? Love those sneakers. Thanks. Depop. Got them. Cheap. Oh yeah? Okay, downloading. There's loads on there. Wow. Wish I'd had this last week. I just paid full price for mine. Oh, right? And you can't get these ones anywhere. Find what you want for less on Depop. Sneakers worn once. Excellent condition.
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