Ep. 663: MeatEater Radio Live! | Steve's Birthday, Leather with Heather Douville, and Grayling in Michigan

Hosts Steve Rinella https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en, Brody Henderson https://www.instagram.com/brodyjhenderson/, and Seth Morris https://www.themeateater.com/people/seth-morris celebrate Steve's birthday, talk fur and leather with Heather Douville https://www.instagram.com/akmoosie/?hl=en, throwback to memories with Steve, and chat about bringing grayling back to Michigan with Randy Claramunt. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Steven Rinella?

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• 1:24Steven Rinella?

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• 2:05Speaker 03

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:26Steven Rinella?

  Holy shit. It's Meat Eater Radio Live 11 a.m. Montana time. That's kinda like Mountain Time. MT.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:34Steven Rinella?

  Mountain Time, Thursday, February 13th. It's my birthday. I turned 51 today. Live from Meat Eater Headquarters in Bowes, Montana. I'm your host, Steve Rinella. I'm joined today by Brody Henderson and Seth Morris, and not, I will point out, by the man who's supposed to be here. I'm glad he's not. Cause I like Seth better than Dr. Randall.

• 2:55Speaker 05

  Now that you're a doctor too?

• 2:57Steven Rinella?

  What?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  We've actually got Randall on the line. Should we talk to him?

• 3:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but don't say that, cause that's not a thing.

• 3:06Speaker 05

  That's not a thing yet?

• 3:07Steven Rinella?

  Not a thing. Today's show, we're gonna check in with our friend and newly added Meat Eater colleague Heather Douville to see what sort of critter hides in fur she's working on. We're gonna take a trip down memory lane, do some Throwback Thursday, and we're gonna talk about some very exciting news that a lot of people might not recognize as exciting, but we're gonna explain why it's so exciting, is a grayling, an Arctic grayling reintroduction in Michigan.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  Pretty cool.

• 3:31Steven Rinella?

  No, it's super cool, man. It's super cool. We're gonna get into that. First, we're gonna try to hear why Randall couldn't make it. I called him earlier. He had no problem answering the phone. He's supposedly stuck in the snow, but here he is. It doesn't look snowy where you're at.

• 3:48Speaker 06

  Steve, I'll point out to you that I'm in my garage. And there's a fair bit of snow in the garage this morning. We, I was told we got up to 87 mile an hour winds last night in Livingston here.

• 4:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, hold on. Every time you talk, I'm gonna make the noise that I hear when I hear that someone can't make it to work because of the snow. Ready? Every time you talk, I'll do it.

• 4:10Steven Rinella?

  Go ahead.

• 4:12Speaker 06

  Uh, I, we got some good drifts here. We got some good drifts going.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  Why did I call in?

• 4:23Speaker 04

  Why did I call in?

• 4:25Steven Rinella?

  Because you didn't.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  The nice thing.

• 4:26Steven Rinella?

  Because you didn't come to work because you chicken, because you got snow. Let me see.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  Well, so the snow is blown. It's blown away from everywhere else except for, uh, the driveway and the road.

• 4:40Steven Rinella?

  Let's see.

• 4:42Speaker 06

  So we got some good drifts here. This is right in front of the garage.

• 4:46Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that, wow, look at that. Dang.

• 4:49Speaker 06

  And, uh, yeah, that's, that's what happens. Here's, uh.

• 4:52Steven Rinella?

  Looks like your truck is out.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  Well, I need.

• 4:56Steven Rinella?

  Truck looks fine, and it looks like it's on the other side of the drift.

• 5:00Speaker 06

  The issue, I'll just go through this drift here. The issue is there's a massive drift here. I don't know if you could see the bend in the road, uh, out this way. And I got the Can-Am stuck trying to plow that out, so I had to get my truck out to pull the Can-Am out. And, uh, yeah, there's an excavator on the way, but it's got to take its way out here, so. I'll just be here, uh, if you guys need me.

• 5:28Steven Rinella?

  You know, uh, Phil, can you?

• 5:29Speaker 06

  One thing.

• 5:30Steven Rinella?

  Oh, go ahead.

• 5:32Speaker 06

  I, I was, I was trying to remember. I had to do one thing on here. Oh. Happy birthday to you.

• 5:42Steven Rinella?

  Oh, good talking to you, Randall.

• 5:46Steven Rinella?

  Phil, you, can you do Randall a favor and save that clip? Um, cause when we cut him loose and we fire him.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:55Steven Rinella?

  For not coming to work. He can maybe use that and try to get one of those jobs where you talk about how bad the weather is and you're like the weather guy.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Oh, that's really kind of you to think of him after he.

• 6:06Steven Rinella?

  Like, you know, there's a big snowstorm in Buffalo, New York, and then they send a guy out there with a parka, and he's like, look at all the snow on these cars.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Randall would be good at that.

• 6:15Steven Rinella?

  The wind's picking up. Yeah. Be a great job for Randall. Uh, got some business to talk about. If for you, for those of you, I know that you, those of you in Michigan are already excited as hell about the Grayling reintroduction that's coming that we're going to talk about, but if you're in Nashville, you might be saying to yourself, well, what could I be, what, what should I be excited about? Well, I'll tell you. If you're in and around Nashville and/or attending the National Wild Turkey Federation Convention, I'm reading this. And, and that's, that's not, that's not a great way of putting it, because.

• 6:50Steven Rinella?

  It shouldn't say and/or because you follow me?

• 6:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got you.

• 6:56Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no, because they could be far away right now.

• 7:01Steven Rinella?

  So you say in Nashville and they're like, well, I'm far away from Nashville. But then you say, or attending the N W T F convention in Nashville. They might be like, oh, I better pay attention because I'll be in Nashville on Saturday.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  Right? Yeah.

• 7:13Steven Rinella?

  So, yeah, if you're around Nashville and or attending the N W T F convention and sports show this week, that's a hell of, I like that show. It's a hell of a good time. Our colleagues, Yanni, Yanni, the Lavian Lover, Ocal,

• 7:30Steven Rinella?

  Clay Newcomb, Spencer Newharth are all there and they're hosting the Grand Slam after party in the Tennessee Ballroom tomorrow night. Valentine's Day night. The event starts at 8:45 PM. Okay, this is for N W T F. Get your tickets for 40 bucks. Buying a ticket enters you to win one of six dream turkey hunts. They're also going to be raffling off a boatload of guns and a bunch of new turkey gear from First Light, F H F and Phelps Game Calls. Plus Spencer's going to be hosting a meat pole style trivia. How meat pole works is you survey everybody that comes in the room.

• 8:14Steven Rinella?

  And then you do a trivia show around, you do it basically being asked trivia questions about the people in the room. Percentages, what percent of the people in the room tonight blank? Right?

• 8:25Speaker 05

  You gotta figure out what they're thinking.

• 8:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like what percent P sitting down? I don't know, whatever the hell Spencer wants to ask them. Um, and you can win stuff that way.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  That'll be fun.

• 8:37Steven Rinella?

  No, I'd go if I was there. Uh, where we're sitting right now. Oh, so we did Randall, my former colleague, Dr. Randall. Oh, Spencer chimed in. He says, I'm on a plane headed there now. Okay.

• 8:51Steven Rinella?

  That's great to hear.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Safe travels.

• 8:55Steven Rinella?

  Doctor, my former colleague, Dr. Randall, and I did, uh, did our first of our little mini tour, our Mountain Man mini tour, where we're going to colleges to give, we're going to colleges to talk about the Mountain Man era. We did our first one the other night, which was very fun. We did it at Montana State University. We're going to University of Montana on February 20, and we're going to University of Wyoming, and Laramie, Wyoming, on February 26th. So go check those things out. Like, they're supposedly sold out, but I gotta figure that. I mean, they are, but I feel like there should be more room there. Um, oh, I'm supposed to look at the TV. My cue says, "Look at TV."

• 9:42Steven Rinella?

  Hey.

• 9:44Speaker 07

  Happy birthday, Steve Rinella. Man, we respect the heck out of you. Hope you have a great birthday. I have not forgot that you don't know how to blow a crow call, though. If you just put a little more a little body coming from the chest right here.

• 10:00Speaker 07

  It'll sound way better than that Blue Jay call you make. Happy birthday.

• 10:06Speaker 07

  Oh, hey, Steve. Happy birthday. This is, uh, kinda awkward.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  In Klingit, that translates to "Gee, you're old."

• 10:40Speaker 00

  Happy birthday, Steve. I hope you have a great day.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  Hey, happy birthday, Steve. It's sure inspired millions of people, including myself. It's almost as if you're getting younger. And, um, yeah, it's really cool to see and keep as an example of how to live a life, so here's to another 50 years. Hey, Steve. Happy birthday from Minnesota.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  It has been just an honor to uh get to teach you how to bow hunt and fish. You've been a pretty good student and I like that. So I hope you have a good birthday buddy. Hey, happy birthday Steve. Happy birthday Steve.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Shit. Happy birthday Steven Rinella from uh me and my boy Mingus here. We're out on the uh mountain lion mountain. No tracks today, it's still a fine day. Um I was thinking uh for your birthday radio live episode, you could do a hot tip for everybody on how to keep your head warm in these super cold conditions, especially when your uh hair is getting so thin on top. Like if you have to wear two hats or uh maybe put a hand warmer up there. I don't know exactly what you do.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  You can go ahead and say it. What a dick. But that's what friends are for on your birthday. Um you got so many friends wishing you happy birthday. Um I heard Corey Colkins had to give them all a first like gift card to make these videos, but it's all good. Uh but in all seriousness, be grateful for what you do have on your birthday, that awesome family of yours, uh this awesome thing called Meat Eater that you've created. Um and as always, I'm grateful to call you a friend and uh let's get out of here soon. Look at him. Mingus, come here. Come here. Are you ready to go? He's ready to go. This boy's ready to get a lion for you. Let's go.

• 12:49Speaker 07

  Yo Steve, happy birthday man. Hope you're having a good one.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  Hey buddy, it's uh Decoy Dave over here in Oregon trying to get over COVID. Uh I just wanted to say happy birthday uh for me and from all of us at DSD and uh thanks for all your hard work and inspiration in creating all this and hope that you and your family have a great one.

• 13:16Steven Rinella?

  Happy birthday Steve for me in O'Way. I remember when I was 51.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Thing.

• 13:27Steven Rinella?

  All right. Thank you, everybody.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  Happy birthday.

• 13:30Steven Rinella?

  Happy birthday Steve. What Dirt didn't bring up. Oh, look at this.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  Oh, there you go.

• 13:35Steven Rinella?

  Right. That's so cute. What Dirt didn't bring up in his message is me and him struck a deal where I gave him a brand new climbing rope. And he was supposed to give me a little picture frame thing. Nothing. Haven't seen it.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  Hasn't happened yet.

• 13:49Steven Rinella?

  No. Very asymmetrical deal anyways, and I got screwed on it.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was the trim piece in your camper, right?

• 13:56Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to confuse everybody. It took me too, it would take me too long to explain. It's actually a trim piece for my camper.

• 14:01Speaker 04

  But it's gonna look like a picture frame.

• 14:02Steven Rinella?

  It is. And I, cause I ripped out the microwave in my camper. Cause

• 14:07Steven Rinella?

  anytime you want to microwave something in my camper, you gotta go turn the generator on. So if you're like, oh, I'm gonna heat this cup of coffee up. Go outside, turn the generator on, come back in. By that point, I'll just heat it up on the burner.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:20Steven Rinella?

  You know, it didn't make any sense. So I ripped it out. We keep loaves of bread up in there, but I just don't like the way it looks now. It looks like something used to be there. So Dirt's supposed to be finding a way where it looks like God put it there that way, like it grew there, you know?

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 14:34Steven Rinella?

  All right, we're gonna go to Heather Douville. Heather, you know what, can Heather see us good?

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Uh, not yet, but I, I prepared a drop for this Steve, cause I was told to prepare a drop.

• 14:41Steven Rinella?

  Oh, okay.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  So, do you want to read what the script says?

• 14:49Steven Rinella?

  There's no script here.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  Number three, buddy.

• 14:52Steven Rinella?

  Oh. No, I'm looking at it.

• 14:56Steven Rinella?

  Uh, ready?

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 14:57Steven Rinella?

  Next up, we're going to check in with Heather Douville for a new segment we're calling Fur and Leather with Heather.

• 15:24Speaker 05

  Phil, that's your best one yet, man.

• 15:26Steven Rinella?

  That was the best one ever, man. You know what he did is he cut right to the good part of the song.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's great, Phil. I'm glad you clocked that.

• 15:32Steven Rinella?

  Here's how I'm gonna intro the segment. Watch. That one, a total surprise. I did not know about this song or over here laughing, but yes, that caught my eye. Phil. Otter's sitting on your table. Phil, can I verify that what people can see? No, no, make it narrow again, because you're blowing the whole effect I'm after here.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:52Steven Rinella?

  Make it really narrow.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  I mean, that's a narrow thing.

• 15:54Steven Rinella?

  So is that the way it looks for people at home? Does it look that narrow?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:59Steven Rinella?

  Okay, now check this out. Watch how long it takes for this to pass.

• 16:06Speaker 05

  All the way?

• 16:07Speaker 04

  All the way through?

• 16:11Speaker 05

  Come on, we've only got an hour for this podcast, Steve.

• 16:13Steven Rinella?

  I mean, watch how long this takes.

• 16:19Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's going over to the other you.

• 16:23Steven Rinella?

  Watch.

• 16:26Steven Rinella?

  Can you believe this? When we had those ladies on that were mauled by a river otter.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Wow, look at this thing.

• 16:32Steven Rinella?

  And people are like, well, how could a river otter kick your ass? Oh, the angle's bad. Oh, here, let's do it again where the angle's better.

• 16:39Steven Rinella?

  How could a river maul you? That's five feet, 10 inches tall. Wow.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  That's a big one.

• 16:48Steven Rinella?

  What are we gonna spill out of it? And that, I think I might just keep it as a wall hanger. I was gonna do a hat, but I don't know. But the point being, that's a river otter and Heather's dealing with sea otters, and that's a river otter that weighs 25 and a half pounds? What's a big sea otter, Heather? I got my biggest sea otter. This winter and it weighed ninety-nine pounds. Imagine that thing kicking your ass, man.

• 17:15Speaker 05

  Deer buck.

• 17:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 17:18Steven Rinella?

  Heather had, I think I posted it. Did I pu- I think I posted it. Yeah. Heather had, she went out hunting it. Oh, sorry, go ahead. Oh, it's bigger than my deer that I got.

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, sicka.

• 17:29Steven Rinella?

  She had a buck in a otter laying in the bottom of the boat and the otter looked bigger than the buck laying in the bottom of the boat.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 17:38Steven Rinella?

  Alright, so how's, how's, how's winter going Heather? What's going on? It's going well. You know, we, a lot of people celebrate New Year, you know, January first, but our New Year is coming up with the resurgence of life in springtime. So, we spent a lot of time in the winter here, just in my shop and just like the rest of the environment. Hibernating, resting, and then as things awaken in the spring, we come to life and start our harvest season and that kind of marks our, our new year and, yeah. Is that, is the new year, is the new year a day or is it the new year just sort of like regarded as a, a, a window of time? Like a, like a broader window of time?

• 18:23Steven Rinella?

  Seasonal, you know, awakening, things come out of hibernation, new plants. Got it. So there's not like a specific day when you announce it? No, but springtime always feels like the new year for us. Sure. I've been, I've been working on, um, I've been learning how to tan, um, deer skins with tree bark. And I have a, I tanned my first seal skin at home, so it's here stretched on, on a frame. Can, can you grab that and, and let us see the other side? Yeah, so Steve, this is the seal skin that was hanging in the drying shed when you were here. Okay.

• 19:07Steven Rinella?

  And I tanned it. It's pretty big, actually. This frame is. Huge, yeah. Five feet tall, but this is a harbor seal. Oh, you can't see the.

• 19:18Speaker 07

  Thing, but you can see the back of it.

• 19:24Steven Rinella?

  Oh, wow. Oh, that turned out nice. Yeah.

• 19:28Speaker 07

  Well, this is not done, but you can see where I've dry scraped it and where I haven't.

• 19:34Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 19:34Speaker 07

  So as you scrape it, it'll lighten up in color and it'll soften up. So it takes a lot of elbow grease. So working on that.

• 19:43Steven Rinella?

  So what, what, so as you're learning to do your own seals, I remember you telling me that, um, I remember you saying that it's hard to find, there's not a lot of good places to send seals.

• 19:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, seals are.

• 19:57Steven Rinella?

  But you haven't been satisfied with, with sending them in to get them tanned.

• 20:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, seals are really oily. Um, you have to wash them right away after you skin them or else the oils will oxidize on the fur and turn the fur yellow.

• 20:12Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 20:14Speaker 07

  They're really rubbery, so they'll stretch like 10 times their original size and they're, I think they're hard to thin. It's just a really unique art when it comes to tanning them. And I really, I haven't found a tannery that tans them in a way that, um, I guess produces the end product that can be sewn with. So I decided to try it myself and

• 20:40Speaker 07

  yeah, just learning as I go.

• 20:42Steven Rinella?

  So at, with, with coastal fur, uh, coastal fur and leather sewing shop, will you eventually, do you think you'll get where you are able to have enough volume that you're selling products made from the seals you harvest and tan and sew where like the whole process becomes in-house? Or do you think that it'll be too hard to ever have that level of volume?

• 21:05Speaker 07

  I think with sea otters, no, but with seals, we, so sea otters, um, the usable parts are the fur. But with seals, we eat the meat, we render the fat and we use as much of. Um, the seal is possible. So we only harvest like two a year. So

• 21:25Steven Rinella?

  I see. Okay.

• 21:25Speaker 07

  For seals, we can definitely, you know, tan them here and convert them into sellable items. We're not able to sell whole pelts. The Marine Mammal Protection Act requires us to convert them to a sellable item. So hat, scarves, and things like that in order to try to recoup costs. So definitely feasible with seals, but not sea otter because we hunt those in greater volume.

• 21:51Steven Rinella?

  Now, wa- walk me through what's going on with learning how to bark tan your deer skins.

• 21:58Speaker 07

  I brought my two totes here. Um, I'm gonna grab a computer and show you. So I have in here, this is whitetail. It's buckskin.

• 22:11Steven Rinella?

  Damn, look at that.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Wow, that looks awesome.

• 22:14Speaker 07

  I didn't know that buckskin just means like hair off. I thought it meant like a buck deer. Like a, like a deer, but buckskin means the hair is off. I didn't know that. So this is whitetail hide. And this is like a tree bark tea. I'll show you. You can see all the bark in there.

• 22:33Steven Rinella?

  Yep, yep.

• 22:35Speaker 07

  So this is called a drench, and this is the tanning

• 22:40Speaker 07

  um, agent. So tree bark, some trees have a lot of tannins in them.

• 22:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. What trees are you using? Are you using hemlock?

• 22:47Speaker 07

  This is actually oak. Um, but the local trees here that have a lot of tannins are alder and spruce and hemlock. And this drench is a oak bran. So what, what we did was we soaked this in lime to de-hair, which is, you know, real high pH. And then we put it in this drench, which lowers the pH back down in preparation to put it into the tanning solution. So I'm really excited to um, learn this process. It's all natural and non-toxic. So all of these.

• 23:30Speaker 07

  Um, products when I'm done with it can be composted or, you know, put back to the earth and not cause harm. And yeah, I hope to learn this and, and be able to teach this soon.

• 23:41Steven Rinella?

  So when you come down to head, I know you're working on this plan where you're going to come down to headquarters. You're going to help people tan their deer skins that people save up over next. So will we be able to do, like, if we get all set up in our kitchen area? How many can we run through, do you think?

• 23:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, so we can, um, we can make these solutions to tan, you know, one, one hide or hundreds of hides. You know, just adjust the different measurements, but one of my goals is, you know, we try to use as much of what we harvest as possible and reduce waste whenever we can. So I love to learn the different ways to use the materials that we have and then also teach. So if I can come there, if you guys want to save your deer skins and if I'm able to teach you guys, I would love that and.

• 24:29Steven Rinella?

  Oh, we're definitely doing that, man.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. How, what is it like, what would the timeline be from like killing a deer and skinning it? And that to turning that into what you're doing there?

• 24:41Speaker 07

  Um, so you could put it, like, if you were to skin it and immediately tan it or, okay. Um, so you'd skin it and you want to make sure you skin it close. So you don't have to skin it twice. But if you leave flesh fat on there, you know, we can always, um, flesh it. I would say about two weeks.

• 25:01Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 25:01Steven Rinella?

  Okay. So you'll get us set up, like, we'll, we'll save deer hide, whoever wants to save a deer hide and, and, uh, we'll kind of instruct them on what they want to, you know, so everything's ready. We'll get set up, you'll come down, introduce the process, make sure everything's going good, and then we could kind of carry on. Once we get started in your absence, yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, you soak it in the lime and that takes, you know, like three days or it could, you could soak it for a week. So that's like, you do this and then you wait and then you put it in the next solution and wait. So there's a lot of time there where we can work, where we can sew.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Heather, if you wanted to do it hair on, do you just skip the lime process? Or is it, you have to do it totally different?

• 25:46Speaker 07

  It's a little different with seals. Uh, yeah, you skipped that bucking process.

• 25:52Steven Rinella?

  Gotcha.

• 25:53Speaker 07

  Put it right in. Yeah.

• 25:55Steven Rinella?

  No, man, I want the I want buckskin. I'll tell you one thing that binds together all of the vehicles in the Rinella fleet at my house. They all have WeatherTech floor liners. When we get a new car, the first thing we do, out with the junky factory carpet mats in with WeatherTech. They really are the best. They're indestructible. You can pull them out, hose them off. It doesn't matter what happens on the floor of your rig. If you got WeatherTech, you're going to be covered. I love these things. If you're looking to get a great gift for someone, especially if they're a big time outdoors kind of person, like if you really want to do them a favor, get them some WeatherTech floor liners for their truck or car. They'll have a way easier time keeping their rig nice and clean,

• 26:39Steven Rinella?

  and they'll get years and years of use out of a set. Visit weatherTech.com for your holiday shopping today. Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval. You know, Heather, my old man saved up a bunch of his deer skins,

• 27:23Steven Rinella?

  and he had this super 1970s buckskin jacket. Like, you remember the 70s, they'd put the belts on everything and everything? Yeah. Yeah, but he had it dyed black, and it was all of his own deer skins. I don't know what in hell happened to that thing. Like, someone horked it when he died. Like, we had a lot of different family members kind of running off with stuff. I mean, you know, they're right. Yeah. But someone horked that jacket.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Did you guys have, um, like during deer season, uh, people would put out like 55 gallon drums, just like out in the country in spots? And there'd be a sign there that said, dump your deer hide in here?

• 27:57Steven Rinella?

  No, but when... Our fur auction was Ravanna Fur Auction.

• 28:03Steven Rinella?

  And when you went to fur auction, that everything was bid on like I would take this like this otter would go up on the auction table. Right? And you might, you might have your, you might have, let's say it was otters, you'd have them divided. Large, medium, small, male, female. Then every one of those things is a lot and they all get bid on individually. So if, if your trapper divides his muskrats into four piles.

• 28:29Steven Rinella?

  Every pile gets bid on. Every trapper's, every pile gets bid on. The way they would handle deer skins is the first deer skin that came across the table. They'd bid on that deer skin and then that buyer entered into a contract and he bought every deer skin. At that price. And it was usually like four, five, six bucks.

• 28:48Speaker 05

  And he, that's all going to a tannery to get turned into buckskin.

• 28:52Steven Rinella?

  And guys would be out in the parking lot, cutting them in half and stuff, you know? To roll it up and sell it as two. But it was real common to sell them, but see like, I don't think the price has changed. So in the mid eighties, it was five bucks. Now I think it's five bucks now, and now that's like a buck. And I think that people just don't. It's just, there's not money in it. And that leather mostly goes to gloves. Yeah. So I would, dude, I would love to learn how to make my own. I've just been too lazy to do it.

• 29:24Speaker 07

  During the winter, I work on, like I try to make new patterns and try new things. I made a seal skin coat, which I have here.

• 29:30Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Put that coat on real quick. I want to see that. Then we got a, then we got a question for you, a fan question. See that is badass, man.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  That's beautiful.

• 29:37Steven Rinella?

  Put that thing on. Oh, you trimmed it in too.

• 29:41Speaker 05

  That's like some natural camouflage there.

• 29:43Steven Rinella?

  That's what I tell them, it's no camel.

• 29:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:46Speaker 07

  A fully removable, washable liner.

• 29:49Speaker 05

  What?

• 29:50Speaker 07

  It weighs eight pounds. It's so.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  It's like a weighted blanket.

• 29:54Steven Rinella?

  Wow, that is amazing though.

• 29:56Speaker 07

  It's so over here.

• 29:57Steven Rinella?

  Have you been running around that?

• 30:00Speaker 07

  Oh, I wear it just in the house. I can't, I just love this thing.

• 30:03Steven Rinella?

  Would you, would you be allowed to sell that jacket? Would that be, would that fit the definition of made into something?

• 30:09Speaker 07

  Yes. I can't even hear you.

• 30:13Steven Rinella?

  What would you have to get for that jacket?

• 30:17Speaker 07

  Oh, I don't even know. I don't think you could put a value on things like this. I mean, this is a custom like pattern. I made the pattern from a coat that I really liked and saved. And yeah, I do have I have one other new pattern. I'm going to show you.

• 30:33Steven Rinella?

  God, that's amazing looking.

• 30:35Speaker 07

  Somebody wrote in and has a question.

• 30:37Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we're gonna hit with that question.

• 30:39Speaker 07

  But this other, this is super special. So I've never done this before, but do you guys know what this is?

• 30:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  A heating pad?

• 30:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:52Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I was gonna say electric blanket, but then I was like, that's a very small.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  Baby blanket.

• 30:57Speaker 07

  When you, um, when you get old, everything hurts. So for Steve's birthday, I am making a custom fur cover for this heating pad.

• 31:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, wow, yeah.

• 31:10Speaker 07

  To help soothe all of those, um, aches and pains and midlife crises.

• 31:17Steven Rinella?

  Perfect.

• 31:17Speaker 05

  He'll be laying on that thing on a glass.

• 31:20Steven Rinella?

  That's a novel product. Yeah, I'm gonna plug it in, get a long extension cord.

• 31:23Speaker 05

  Power bank.

• 31:25Steven Rinella?

  It's gonna have a hundred ampere lithium battery sitting next to it. Okay, here's a question from a fan. Um, this is a.

• 31:35Speaker 07

  I have it here. Help with the traditional words.

• 31:38Steven Rinella?

  Okay. You want you want to do the question? I was gonna read your question, but this.

• 31:43Speaker 07

  You can. There's some fling it in there. So I thought.

• 31:47Steven Rinella?

  Oh, then you do it.

• 31:49Speaker 07

  Go ahead.

• 31:50Steven Rinella?

  Okay, I'll do it. Then you do it.

• 31:52Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 31:53Steven Rinella?

  So Heather was asked, how far are you typically shooting when sea otter hunting? I'm Kixady.

• 32:04Speaker 07

  It's Kixady. That's the clan he belongs to, which is Raven.

• 32:09Steven Rinella?

  Okay. I'm Kixady out of Sitka and hoping to harvest my first sea otter this weekend, weather permitting. That's cool. And yeah, she, uh, any other tips they ask?

• 32:23Speaker 07

  Then it says.

• 32:27Speaker 07

  Oh, sorry.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Heather, I didn't. I didn't give that last part to Steve.

• 32:31Speaker 07

  Phil's fault.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's my fault.

• 32:33Speaker 07

  Okay. Goodness, Cheesh. To you and the Meat Eater Crew. Goodness, Cheesh means thank you. And this is from Nachyef. That's his traditional name. Oh, that's great. Okay, I sling it from Sitka. Raven, which is my opposite. I'm Eagle Clan. So, how far are you? Okay, so typically you're shooting from the boat. And I would say within a hundred yards. Uh, sometimes you can get off on a rock and shoot and, you know, get a rest and aim farther. But that really rarely happens. Um.

• 33:11Speaker 07

  Any other tips? I would say it helps to have a good driver who, of course, they have to be eligible to participate. By the Marine Mountain Protection Act. Guidelines, but, well, it's not guidelines. It's the law. But I would say when you're approaching sea otter, make sure you go with the swell or the chop instead of against it. That way you're getting a smoother approach. And it helps to have a really light, like a hair trigger, real light trigger. And it just takes a lot of practice. You're gonna miss a lot. And we shoot everything that we harvest. So whether it's a sea otter, seal, deer, we shoot.

• 33:56Speaker 07

  We try to shoot everything in the head so it doesn't suffer. And that way we ensure that the pelt isn't damaged and the meat is not damaged. So.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  What cartridge are you shooting them with, Heather?

• 34:12Speaker 07

  I started out shooting with a 222 and now, last year I got an AR, so a 223.

• 34:20Steven Rinella?

  One, a thing I noticed about Heather's shooting, and she explained it to me as well, is she's not, kind of hard to describe. Maybe you can help me when I bring this up. She's not fighting the movement. She's not fighting the movement of the boat.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  Like using the movement.

• 34:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, she's like, she was saying that you, you had this tendency to kind of want to like, somehow rule out the movement of the boat or overcome it, but she's, she's jiving, she's like jiving with the movement, you know?

• 34:48Speaker 05

  Timing it.

• 34:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, he got like, having a good driver, my dad knows how to hunt, so he knows how to put you on the sea otter, but, but you want to shoot before they dive under. So they're kind of laying there eating and then they, when you approach them, they, sometimes they go, see what's coming at them. You want to get a shot off right then. So you want to be ready because when they start to dive, it turns into this, it reminds me of those games at the arcade where you like are standing there. These are popular, nothing you just don't know.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 35:22Speaker 07

  And it becomes more difficult. But yeah, so the boat is moving with the swell. They're moving at, in a distance at a different rate. So I kind of go on my tippy toes and bend my knees and you want to like move with the swell and you're not going to get a steady aim and get those crosshairs on them for very long. So you just want to shoot right when your crosshairs past their head and

• 35:47Speaker 07

  yes, it just takes practice and.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  Is there any danger of the, of those otters sinking like a seal might? Or do they just stay afloat after you kill them?

• 35:58Speaker 07

  My first sea otter ever got sunk, but they, they rarely sink. You want to shoot them in the head and their fur is so

• 36:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:05Speaker 07

  dense and it traps that air, you know, in the undercoat. They'll float, but occasionally if you shoot a little low and they dive, they might try to take a breath and breathe in water and then sink, but that doesn't happen very often. And I would, you need to skin them right away because of the fur density, they hold on to their heat. Even if it's zero degrees out, they'll stay warm for a really long time and the belly will get green and they'll spoil. So skin them right away and.

• 36:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, make sure you take good care of the materials that you get, but.

• 36:46Steven Rinella?

  Like right, right away Heather, you mean like you're, you're skinning them on the boat like as soon as they come in?

• 36:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, either on the boat if, if you can, but usually you're cruising, trying to hunt and get as many as you can. And as soon as I get home, I skin them on a tailgate, which is the perfect height. We don't hang them when we skin them. I just roll them. You know, on, on my tailgate and that seems to work best for me.

• 37:13Steven Rinella?

  Good deal. Cool. Well, thanks for joining Heather.

• 37:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, thank you. Happy birthday, Steve.

• 37:18Steven Rinella?

  Thank you very much. Um, we'll talk to you again soon. It's great to have you on and I look forward to talking to you next time.

• 37:24Speaker 07

  You too.

• 37:26Steven Rinella?

  All right, Phil, listener feedback. You got it, buddy?

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've got a few. Uh, just a reminder to everyone, get some questions in if you want. We're going to do another one of these at the very end of the show. Um, or I might be able to catch them right now. Be fast. Uh, first one, let's see. This is about hunting history, Steve, episode two. Someone's asking, Grant is asking, have they not used any lidar technology on those glaciers? Seems like you might find some fun stuff.

• 37:49Steven Rinella?

  That's one thing no one brought up to me.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, right. I'm trying to even think of, uh, boy, I, I don't, I, you know, I've been with people using lidar. I don't even know how I, I, I, you know, I honestly don't know how that technology works up against all that, that, all that ice and like.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:08Steven Rinella?

  A glacier's got a lot of, uh, air in it. Yeah, I have no, I, I'm, I'm way, I'm already over my waders. I have no idea. I had, no one mentioned that to me though. I can tell you that.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, Colin asks, well, I guess he, yeah, first he says, Steve, I lost an inch of my pinky in a framing accident, pitched it, pinched it in a lift. He's torn between turning it into a fishing lure or sending it to us to put in the Werner Bratzler machine.

• 38:30Steven Rinella?

  Well, that's a great idea. If you send it over, if it's nice and frozen, I'd like to eat it. Cause I'm trying to find a way to be like a subject matter expert on cannibalism without killing anybody.

• 38:41Speaker 05

  I tried to explain my kids the other day that, uh, cannibals, they would call human meat long pork and they were just, they weren't buying it.

• 38:49Steven Rinella?

  No, I've heard that.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:50Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'd like a little long pork. How much you got? Is it meaty? If not, I would put it into a, um, I would, I would, if I had that happen to me, I would put it into a little jar of, uh,

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Formaldehyde.

• 39:04Steven Rinella?

  And then people would come over and

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Display it.

• 39:06Steven Rinella?

  And I'd be like, guess what that is?

• 39:08Speaker 05

  Turn that, that pinky bone into a little pendant for a necklace.

• 39:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's what my boy's collar is, little surgery stuff they removed. I made a necklace.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  Oh, you put it in epoxy, that's right.

• 39:19Steven Rinella?

  Resin, yeah. Next question?

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Uh, Andreas asks, uh, he, if, if you, well, he specifically asks you, Steve, if you, when you use fur as a wall hanger, do you leave it dried or do you get it tanned before hanging it?

• 39:30Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I get it tanned. I get it tanned. What I'm holding right here is flesh stretched, uh, flesh and stretched, and this lasts a long time. I can't get my angle right where you can appreciate the immensity. Um, but no, you'll get, and also this is leather out, so when you tan it, it'll flip. And then I'll, I use those as wall hangers.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Uh, Jove and Figaroa, I guess, asks, or first he says, happy birthday, Steve, question for everyone at the table. Has anyone ever had any awkward situations dragging deer through permitted public hunting areas like parks or conservancies?

• 40:07Steven Rinella?

  No, but I'm sensitive to it.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Um, I don't think.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, awkward for who is the question, I guess. Not awkward for me, but yeah, I've carried, um, some mule deer bucks down an escalator at a ski resort one time.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Um, that was pretty interesting.

• 40:26Steven Rinella?

  Uh, yeah, you, I know what you're talking about, and I have tended to, I actually had this discussion with a friend of mine once, where it wasn't a deer, but we were carrying something up to a public parking lot.

• 40:39Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:40Steven Rinella?

  And I was wanting to hide it. He's like, not to be ashamed of. I'm like, I'm not ashamed. I just like, it's not like a matter of shame. I'm just, I like to be low pro.

• 40:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:48Steven Rinella?

  Like, I just don't, it's just, I just prefer to be low profile about it. It's like, it's like zero shame. I would just be like, why, if it's a place I like to hang out, why? Even draw like a little bit of a, or get someone pissed off or create some headache or someone calling, even if you didn't do anything wrong, the fact that they're gonna call the cop.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Someone might not know that it's wrong and then you're gonna have to explain yourself, even though you didn't do anything.

• 41:15Steven Rinella?

  So I usually just go like low profile on any kind of situation like that. Like even at a public, if there's, if you're parking and duck hunting at a spot and all the people are using the same parking lot, I don't come out just like, you know, throwing ducks all over the place.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 41:30Steven Rinella?

  I'll throw them around later, but I just kinda go like, yeah, just slip out of here. I make a scene.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  I used to hunt a bunch in New Jersey back in the day and it was often like real small woodlots.

• 41:40Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  And you would always have to like be real careful about shot placement because you didn't want it to like

• 41:48Steven Rinella?

  Get on the neighbors.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Run over and die in the neighbor's yard, like especially if there's snow on the ground.

• 41:52Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  I just heard some horror stories like deer dying in swimming pools and

• 41:56Steven Rinella?

  Oh, wow.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, you know, it was something you kinda had to watch out for when you're hunting those small parcels.

• 42:04Steven Rinella?

  Yep. Reduce intentions.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 42:07Steven Rinella?

  Next question.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Kentucky Thunder Outdoors says, happy birthday. If you had to choose, would you wear a cowboy hat for a month or eat vegan for a year?

• 42:14Steven Rinella?

  Ah, I'd go cowboy hat.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's not, not even a question.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Kentucky Thunder. I like that. I like that name.

• 42:23Steven Rinella?

  That's a good name, man.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  It's got a big strut and gobbler.

• 42:26Steven Rinella?

  I know. If I was going turkey hunting with a dude named Kentucky Thunder Outdoors, that'd be like, we're gonna get something.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  And you'd be wearing a hat, cowboy hat.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  We'll do one more for this round. Jeremy from Australia says, asks if you've, have you ever had any encounters when predators harassed or attacked your pack animals when you were hunting?

• 42:45Steven Rinella?

  Uh, I have certainly heard of them. I have had, but I have witnessed personally only the opposite.

• 42:56Steven Rinella?

  Where elk would take a great interest.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 43:00Steven Rinella?

  In, uh, take a great interest in livestock at a couple of occasions. But no, I've definitely heard of that. I've never seen that, but I don't hunt with livestock a lot. I'm like, I like, I'm the last guy I would ask a livestock question to.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, I mean, I've, I've had my dog run into a bear a couple of times, but no livestock issues.

• 43:18Steven Rinella?

  I'll get, you know, I'm going to give you a different piece of advice. If you're going to ask livestock questions, I've learned that you can only ask a livestock question. This is going to sound like this is going to annoy people. You can only ask a livestock question to someone that was raised around livestock.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:35Steven Rinella?

  Like it's, it's not one of those things you can come into late in life.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 43:39Steven Rinella?

  There's just too much subtlety to it. You know, like guys that really know about horses, like you'll see a horse be like, oh, it looks like a horse to me. And people will be like, oh no, he like is having whatever problem or he's, you know what I mean? They just, they can just sense it.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. I feel like I looked at a horse that maybe had like one little lameness in its leg. I wouldn't see anything, but that guy would be like, you can't ride that one.

• 44:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. And they'll know like, they'll be able to tell you about its parents and stuff. You can't get that.

• 44:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 44:06Steven Rinella?

  It's amazing to people that grew up around it, you know? It's just one of those things you gotta absorb. So yeah, I'd go find, I wouldn't talk to me about it. But no, I'd be able to tell you if something showed up and a bear ate something. That's never happened, but it, it happens. I think, uh, just to be a little more helpful, I've more, I guess even what I'm saying, I've heard more about stuff coming for the feed.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  Hmm. That makes sense.

• 44:28Steven Rinella?

  Like bears getting tuned into the, to the, to the supplement, the grain and stuff for the horses.

• 44:33Speaker 05

  I think a bigger danger than predators killing your livestock is livestock killing you if you're using horses or mules, you know?

• 44:40Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  You're not doing things right.

• 44:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. If I had a pistol with me, that's what my pistol be for.

• 44:46Steven Rinella?

  Shooting the horse. Trying to defend myself from the horse.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. Seen some horse wrecks.

• 44:53Steven Rinella?

  All right. Uh, throwback Thursday. This is going to take, require 10 minutes from 11:35 to 11:45.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  What time is it, Phil?

• 45:00Steven Rinella?

  It's 11:41. We're already screwed.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  It's over.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  This is my favorite one of his songs.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  It's fitting because you're one year older today.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  He's past the point where birthdays matter, though.

• 45:28Steven Rinella?

  Oh dude, it really doesn't matter.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:30Steven Rinella?

  You know, it really doesn't matter. My kids today were, it's so funny. My little boy, my older boy, and he's in woodshop. And he'd made a honey dipper. You know, what do you call them? A honey dipper?

• 45:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, the little thing with the grooves in it.

• 45:45Steven Rinella?

  But the kid who was responsible for staining them all put like a lead based stain or something on there. So my boy's like, he gives it to me. He's like, you can't really though, um, it's more like just for show. Cause he says, cause it's got like actual stain on it. Oh, look at that.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  Um, you can set him down.

• 46:06Steven Rinella?

  Can I eat my cupcake?

• 46:07Speaker 04

  We'll get them.

• 46:08Speaker 05

  You can eat while we're, we're doing our little throwback.

• 46:10Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm gonna put my ring on too.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  This shouldn't take very long. It's gonna be one of our shorter throwbacks.

• 46:16Steven Rinella?

  Phil's kind of underselling the shore back throwback segment.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  Not real interested in it.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Oh no, it's a good one. It's just not as jam packed as other ones because Steve's not participating.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  Uh, Seth, well, you go first here. Yeah, um. This photo here, I just had to go through my cell phone real quick to see what I had on there because it was, you know, late notice since Randall ditched us here, but uh.

• 46:39Steven Rinella?

  God, it's a giant beaver.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  This was, I think the first time we went trapping together. We filmed that little thing um, for YouTube.

• 46:47Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  And yeah, we caught. A few nice beavers, but this was the biggest one. Um.

• 46:53Steven Rinella?

  I can tell it's a long time ago because I don't have a blue shirt like that.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think it was 21 maybe.

• 47:02Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  20? That might've been 20.

• 47:05Steven Rinella?

  God, I was probably 20.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  And then we've got this video Seth. And then, yeah, this is just a video from the fish shack. Uh.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  This was an old rusted double barrel that Steve has up there. We're, we're curious if it's still shot or it'd blow up. So he had that helmet on.

• 47:26Steven Rinella?

  I don't even remember this.

• 47:42Speaker 05

  It's hard to keep guns working up there, huh?

• 47:44Steven Rinella?

  At the end here, he says, "I'm gonna hang that up and let it rust some more."

• 47:49Steven Rinella?

  Hang that back up and let it rust some more.

• 47:57Steven Rinella?

  Yep, good times.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Uh, let's see, we got some brody.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Uh, show the other one first, Phil.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry about that.

• 48:03Speaker 05

  There's an order to this.

• 48:04Steven Rinella?

  God, I look like Chester.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  Um, this is, uh, ba- this is Steve and I's first hunt together that we did for Meat Eater. Um, and, uh, I found him this buck. We were, we were hiking in, in the morning in the dark, I remember. And it was real hot for November.

• 48:21Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  And we were hiking in and after like, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes, maybe a mile of hike and Steve, Steve's like, "Brody, Brody, what are we doing? Where are we going?" Like, he's getting real irritated. Cause I think he was all sweated up.

• 48:36Steven Rinella?

  That's not why.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Um, but then we got to the glassing spot and Steve's like, "Oh, I like this spot." Then we found that buck a few minutes later and later that day, Steve killed him. And then, uh, yeah, then I killed that little dinker later, later in the hunt. But you can see we're wearing some vintage first light there.

• 48:56Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. I look like Chester. Even vintage FHF.

• 48:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:00Steven Rinella?

  That deer's got a bad hole in it.

• 49:04Steven Rinella?

  We ain't, we ain't walking away from that situation.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 49:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, there we go.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 49:10Steven Rinella?

  Throwback. God, you were young, Brody.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Well, so are you.

• 49:14Steven Rinella?

  Good lord.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  How, what year was this?

• 49:17Speaker 05

  This was, this probably not, I think is at least nine years ago, maybe 10 years ago. So.

• 49:22Steven Rinella?

  What happens to a man? Age is like a disease.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  Old age.

• 49:29Steven Rinella?

  It's like a disease.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  But I feel like I'm, I don't know, I'm hiking around just as good now as I was back then.

• 49:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I was reading about last night, I'm reading this book, um, that my friend Ben has coming out called The Mysterious Mr. Nakamoto. It's about the inventor of blockchain and Bitcoin.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 49:47Steven Rinella?

  And anyways dudes in that world are big into, I had no idea, but dudes that are big into that world, like that were big into early internet and, and, um, and then up into, up into 2010, 2009, big into cryptography and stuff. They also happen like that mindset, they're also big into cryogenics.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 50:10Steven Rinella?

  Where they're like getting their, they get a lot of these dudes as they're dying, they're getting their brains frozen. Or their whole body's frozen and they just feel it's like healthcare.

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 50:21Steven Rinella?

  Cause someday they're gonna get rebooted.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 50:24Steven Rinella?

  But if you really had faith in that shit. If you really had faith.

• 50:30Steven Rinella?

  You'd go in right now.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  Not gonna happen.

• 50:35Steven Rinella?

  Come back later when you're kicking ass.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 50:37Steven Rinella?

  Cause if you're going in, if you're going in a old dead guy and they bring you back, you still got a problem.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  True.

• 50:47Steven Rinella?

  But if you, if you really believed. Go now.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know, like, I don't mind being my age, like, I feel like hunting and hiking, I'm better than I was back then. Cause you know, you got the mentality to just go do it.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I gotta say, ever since I started hunting with you, I don't notice, I don't notice like any sort of slowdown.

• 51:08Steven Rinella?

  No, no.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  You're just charging, charging ahead.

• 51:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, see, for me, what's happening is I've always been too skinny. But when you get old, it winds up being, you're glad you were too skinny.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:21Steven Rinella?

  You know what I'm saying? Like.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Don't have to carry around extra weight?

• 51:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you used to be weak, now you're just not old. Do you know what I'm saying? And why is it working out in the end? Yeah. All right, where are we at? What happens next?

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Well, I was actually told to supply a Throwback Thursday picture, Steve. And you know, I was thinking about all, just an endless trove of memories that we have together, Steve, and the one that I pulled out was this tiki bar in

• 51:46Steven Rinella?

  That's right.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  In Nashville. When I was trying to go to this tiki bar by myself because I was ashamed and then you, Katie, Cal and Rourke Denver all joined.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  It looks like you're there with Vince Vaughn, man. He seems got a Vince Vaughn thing going.

• 52:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I forgot about that.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  It's kind of a crappy quality picture, but yeah, that was, that was February 2020, a month before everything, everything shut down.

• 52:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that was before I quit drinking.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. Anyway.

• 52:11Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we are.

• 52:12Speaker 04

  Fun times.

• 52:13Steven Rinella?

  Yep, me and Phil making out.

• 52:18Steven Rinella?

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• 53:03Steven Rinella?

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• 53:39Steven Rinella?

  All right, where are we at? Oh.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  We've got Randy coming in.

• 53:41Steven Rinella?

  No, I'm excited about this, man. This is a good story. Next up on the phone, we have Fisheries Division Chief for Michigan's Department of Natural Resources, Randy. I'm gonna go out on a limb. Well, we'll ask him what the hell his last name is. Clermont? Hello, Randy. Thanks for being here and welcome to the show. Um, what's going on? Hit me with your last name. I want to make sure I got it right.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did. You did great, Steve. It's Clermont and happy birthday, by the way.

• 54:07Steven Rinella?

  Thank you, buddy. All right, bunch of questions.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:10Steven Rinella?

  Uh, when, telling you how to do this in good order. When did Michigan lose? Like, what was the last grailing?

• 54:21Speaker 02

  You know, I, it's funny you say that because the last grailing was actually in the Upper Peninsula. Um, in, in, in 1932 is, so there's, there's, you know, you go back to the historic record. There's some debate about that. Um, but the, the distribution in the Upper Peninsula was actually pretty small. It was not as big as the northern lower.

• 54:42Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  And I understand you're familiar a little bit with the Muskegon area of Michigan.

• 54:46Steven Rinella?

  Yes, sir.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  So I pulled up an article from Ben East. This article was published in a Journal of Outdoor Life in May of 1930.

• 54:55Steven Rinella?

  You mean the Ben East?

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Ben East.

• 54:58Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  And he's trying to figure out if there's still grailing around Michigan or if they've been extirpated. In particular, he talks to an angler that's been fishing for grailing for years in the Muskegon area. And he cites him in this article.

• 55:15Steven Rinella?

  No way.

• 55:16Speaker 04

  That's pretty cool.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  The angler was, initials E.S. Magoon of Muskegon, Michigan. I'm reading the 1930 article right now. And he said, I fish for grailing. I would. Early eighteen eighties, I catch one after another in Carlton, Sand, Cleveland and Silver Creeks and empty into the White River.

• 55:36Steven Rinella?

  You gotta be kidding me, really?

• 55:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 55:40Steven Rinella?

  That's cool.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Probably some of those.

• 55:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  And any case, he said he was very concerned about the um, uh, the grayling being extirpated because he only caught one the previous year and none that year, and that was nineteen thirty.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  What, what did them in? What, what, what did them in, Randy? Like, why did they disappear?

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, uh, well understood that, um, in Michigan streams, you know, we have sandy soils, relatively low gradient compared to mountain streams, you know, but, um, the deforestation, just clearing all the vegetation. It, it allowed those streams to warm up and then all the sediment, organic sediment, not the, not the sand and the, you know, when you have sandy soils with a lot of vegetation, the water will seep through the ground quickly and then flow groundwater into the streams. So you've got cover that keeps them cold and cold wa- groundwater. When you take all the vegetation off and deforest is what happened in Michigan, a lot of other midwestern states. That, that water just becomes surface water, runs right into the streams.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  And that, uh, that pretty much decimated grayling. In addition to, we didn't have a Department of Natural Resources, didn't have any kind of protection, so, um, unregulated fishing and, and grayling are a super fun fish to catch. They're, they're really enjoyable. Um, a little bit easier to catch than some of our trout species, so they were easy to fish for.

• 57:10Steven Rinella?

  Hey, what, uh,

• 57:13Steven Rinella?

  where were you able to find for, to do a reintroduction, where are you able to find grayling? That seems like it's,

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:22Steven Rinella?

  You know, that, that seems like it'd be like the right grayling, right? Or the closest to the right grayling.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  Yep. Well, so, you know, we looked at the lower forty-eight and tried to determine if any populations existed that concern.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  Was a source population for Michigan. The only remnant population that we are aware of is the Big Hole River in Montana. And actually, Montana's rehabilitation program, you know, we're mirroring a lot of things that Montana's been doing. But that population isn't at the level where it could serve as a gamete source. So we end up going to the Chino River in Alaska for, for the gamete source. And really, you know, a lot of people say, you know, with, with warming of streams and things like that, is this the right time? But what we find these populations is that they're highly migratory in their native range.

• 58:17Speaker 05

  So they're going to find the cold groundwater and they're going to go where they need to go. We expect that and it's part of the reason we selected the Chino River stock.

• 58:27Steven Rinella?

  How many, how many and where are you going to try, are you going to try to cut them loose?

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, so, you know, we, we went through a, a, a stream candidate selection process where basically we wanted stakeholders, partners in this to nominate rivers that they felt grayling reintroduction should, should occur. We then went and looked at the habitat suitability in those rivers. We did a lot of work before we ever went to Alaska to get the eggs. And by the way, shout out to Alaska, you know, those staff up there did a phenomenal job and really helped Michigan out a lot. So we went through the habitat suitability and that habitat suitability, we want to make sure that, you know, that all the things that led to the demise have been addressed as well as competition with other introduced trout and salmon species.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  And we have very strong partnership with, you know, nonprofits, angling groups, tribal governments, you name it. And that really a combination of those factors led to a selection of three streams. The upper, and oftentimes the grayling, you're talking about the upper part of the watershed. These are the headwaters of the streams, headwaters of the Little Massey River, headwaters of the Boardman River near Traverse City. The Maple River in, in all three, and you know, these are. Really northern lower, northwestern lower.

• 59:55Steven Rinella?

  Man, that is so cool, man. Um, what do you think? Uh, how confident are you in success and what success look like for you? Uh, I mean, are you, does success look like a breeding population or what is it?

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, I think i- if we saw grayling reproducing successfully within their historic range, you know, that'd be a great technical definition of, hey, we've reached success, right? Um, I, to me, it's more than that because, um, you know, I, I would get questions a lot, um, over the years that I've been working, um, in fisheries for over 25 years, originally from Michigan is why aren't we going to bring back grayling? We have a town, you know, city grayling named after the fish that we no longer have. Um, so, you know, this means a lot and, and, and trying to make a commitment, you know, we're not going to be successful.

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  Um, and day one, nor have we try, have we, um, been successful. This has been tried half a dozen times.

• 1:01:00Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 1:01:01Speaker 05

  And really the Montana model where you're putting the eggs right into the streams. Um, and, and again, addressing some of the other things about partnership and habitat suitability. Um, it, those are all important factors to why we think we can be successful now in the rehabilitation. But like anything else, what it really boils down to is are we committed to doing this? Do we, are we committed to bringing grayling back to Michigan? We are.

• 1:01:29Steven Rinella?

  So what happens? What's going to happen when down the road?

• 1:01:36Steven Rinella?

  A dude's out fishing brookies or whatever steelhead and he hooks a grayling. Um, you, uh, presumably you're not going to close down stream sections.

• 1:01:48Steven Rinella?

  You're not gonna, you're not gonna like remove fishing from these stream sections. So it'll have to be that people know they're there. When they get one to be careful, turn it back. Cause, because it's not, it's gonna be a while till there's like a harvestable number. I mean, that's like a really best case scenario, right?

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. Um, we already removed the regulations prohibiting targeted fishing. So, um, if you catch a grayling, you can take a picture of it.

• 1:02:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  Immediate release. Um, we've had a, um, uh, you know, a lot of interest. And so I expect anglers, you know, they're really going to seek all these opportunities. We're still a couple of years down the road, but, um, myself included, I've, I've caught grayling in Alaska. I really, really am hoping that, um, during my tenure, I can catch a wild grayling in Michigan. And snap that picture and, and release that fish. And right now, regulations allow for that. Um, so we're just hoping, hoping the, the fish will cooperate.

• 1:02:44Steven Rinella?

  Man, that, that's amazing. I would, I would make that trip back there to see that happen and do that. You know, there's, there's a thing I've really appreciated about, you know, I, I haven't lived in Michigan for forever. I left in the late nineties, mid nineties. But the thing I've appreciated about just the Great Lakes angling community in general and fisheries management. There in general is going back and really the, the work people are doing to really put an emphasis on those native fish. You know, I, it, it like the way I've seen anglers come to have a much greater appreciation for lake trout, for instance. The enthusiasm around, the enthusiasm around getting sturgeon back in the rivers.

• 1:03:29Steven Rinella?

  People treating whitefish with a lot of respect, work to bring Arctic grayling back. Like I love seeing that stuff, man, where people are kind of having that ecological awareness of where they live, of kind of getting curious about what this place used to look like. What went wrong? Why does it look like it does now? What are the implications of invasive, you know, aquatic invasive species? And how do we start turning back the clock and bringing back some of these really cool, unique fish to that area? I know you guys do work in that space and, and people in the conservation movement do work in that space. I think it's phenomenal, man. I'd love to see it.

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  Hey, I appreciate it. And just, just cause you say you haven't, you know, really seen it since the nineties. I'll tell you, um, we just recently announced kind of Lake Superior, Lake. trout populations fully restored. But if if you did eat lake trout, you know, back in the eighties and nineties, a lot of people didn't think that they had a lot of table fare, put it that way. The lake trout today are some of the best tasting Great Lakes fish out there. And there's a lot of reason for it. Much is to do with the health of the Great Lakes, the diverse diet items. But I tell you, if you can get an episode where you have somebody flay a lake trout caught out of the Great Lakes now, that that meat

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  is just bright orange and fabulous, absolutely incredible. So, yeah, attachment to native species, increased angling opportunity. But the end goal is that people can use that. And we hear more and more about, you know, fish as food by recreational anglers, you know, across the state.

• 1:05:07Steven Rinella?

  Sure, man. Yeah, keep up the good work. I love seeing it. And I love hearing stories about those native fish come back. Like, it's a really unique environment, all that whole Great Lakes system. And, you know, if we if we let our guard down, we're going to wind up, we're more and more and more, no matter where you go in the world, wherever you go in the country, you're going to see these kind of same things. And to have that all that biodiversity and like these unique fish from these unique places just makes it so much more exciting to travel around. So I mean, I wish you guys the best luck on that project. I think it's super cool.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  Excellent. Yeah. Thanks again for the opportunity. And I really appreciate the attention to Grayling. And hopefully, we can achieve what we're set out to do. So.

• 1:05:50Steven Rinella?

  Send me a couple of flays.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. This spring is our first big introduction, May 12.

• 1:05:57Steven Rinella?

  Oh, excellent. All right. Good luck, dude. Appreciate it.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:06:01Steven Rinella?

  Yep. All right, Phil, about to the end of the show. But what about that? What about that listener feedback, buddy?

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Yo, let's hit it. Kyle, here's kind of a heavy one. What does the crew think about Indiana introducing a bill to legalize the sale of venison and another one to legalize the release of CWD resistant farm deer into the wild?

• 1:06:20Steven Rinella?

  I don't like either of them.

• 1:06:21Speaker 05

  I didn't know about the Indiana thing, but it's not a good idea. Neither is like we were we've talked about the releasing.

• 1:06:28Steven Rinella?

  It's it's pissing in the wind.

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:32Steven Rinella?

  I don't think like, I think it sounds like a great idea. But when you look in in like actual like genetic transfer.

• 1:06:43Steven Rinella?

  Genetic transfer that you're somehow gonna like overcome like the, the, the native genome and overwhelm it and, and actually like create a strain of it. And I think it's pissing in the wind and I definitely don't like the idea this, this, people keep wanting to go down this path of commodifying deer meat and selling deer meat. Listen, if you think right now, i- if you think right now, it's getting harder and harder and harder to find hunting spots because of, because of the, the takeoff of like leasing for deer, like farms where there used to be like 10, 12 people hunted the farm, now two guys hunt the farm because they lease it. You think that you're seeing a reduction in acreage available to you to come hunt?

• 1:07:25Steven Rinella?

  Wait till a, a person looks and each of these deer is worth two, 300 bucks.

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:07:30Steven Rinella?

  Come on. I, I, I don't like it at all.

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  Not only that, like, I mean, he's, he's parents selling deer meat with CWD and it's like, how are you ever going to sell deer meat when, you know what I mean?

• 1:07:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I know. You'd be like, you're going to kill all these deer to sell, someone's going to check them for CWD. It's just, it's, it's, it's like people looking at complicated problems and thinking they got these little solutions for them. I, I think it's, I think it's stupid. I mean, I don't even be so blunt. Now, I don't want to say it's stupid. I don't, I don't, yeah, I definitely don't want to say it's stupid because that sounds like not being productive. Uh, ain't a good idea. How's that?

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Ain't a good idea. Uh, do you guys have favorite, favorite mounts or skins you have in, in, in your houses respectively?

• 1:08:15Speaker 05

  I haven't got my favorite, it's still sitting at the taxidermist or the, whoever's beadle in it right now.

• 1:08:21Steven Rinella?

  What are you missing?

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  That moose.

• 1:08:23Steven Rinella?

  Oh, your moose. Yeah, yeah, that'd be good.

• 1:08:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I should call.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Um, I got a couple hides I like a bunch. Um, one being a red fox that, uh, Steve and I trapped last year.

• 1:08:33Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  And I also have another red fox from, from Pennsylvania that's beautiful. And, uh, skull mounts, I like the couz deer. I just like how tiny their little skulls are.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  You can put them anywhere.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, easy to move. They just look. Cool.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:08:50Steven Rinella?

  All right.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  Well, this is a tough one, but if you don't know it, maybe you could direct this person to someone who does. Is there a way to rehabilitate house fire, smoke damage, tanned furs?

• 1:09:03Steven Rinella?

  I would call, um, you know what I would do? Call, he's gonna hate me for saying this. Call John Hayes at Hayes Tax. Cause I, I've had questions like this for John.

• 1:09:16Steven Rinella?

  Like I'll give you a piece of feedback, John, give me one time. I had a very old, I have a really old bear hide, like a really, really old bear hide. That I never took good care of. And, uh, I was like wanting to know it's, I kinda kept it outside over the outdoor furniture under our patio. Protected but outside. And it just got greasy and nasty. And I was like, man, can I like, like shampoo this thing? You know, and he said, take a little, wet a little patch down. Just take a corner and wet it down. And he says, if you wet that down, try to tear it with your hand. When you get it wet, if you can tear that thing with your hand, don't do it. And I got that corner wet and sure enough, man, you could just rip it like, like wet paper.

• 1:10:01Steven Rinella?

  So he's got little tips like that. Another thing I had, uh, another thing John Hayes did for me is I had a bad, kind of a really long story. I got a mountain goat and I wanted to, I got it rugged out. It's always hanging right there. When I got that rug back, the hair was all slipping. Not my fault. The hair was all slipping. So like, this is a long story. The, the people involved are not even alive anymore. Um, the person involved is not even alive anymore. The hair was slipping. John Hayes took that rug apart and put an adhesive.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:10:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. He spread an adhesive on the backside. You couldn't get that hair out if you wanted to.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:10:39Steven Rinella?

  So John Hayes, Hayes Tax, every studio, he'll tell you what to do. He's got all kinds of little tricks. Cause when you've been in the business that long, people bring you more screwed up stuff. Do you know what I mean? All you do is deal with people's mistakes.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  Um, this, this is, this will be an easy one to answer because we've had someone on the podcast, but just so you can remind this person. Phil is asking for an episode on hearing loss. I think we've done a few with, uh, Grace from Oda Pro.

• 1:11:04Steven Rinella?

  Yep. Yeah. Just go back and find those. I wish we could think of the number, but.

• 1:11:10Steven Rinella?

  We've done two. We've done two with an audiologist about why that's happening to you. Why when you're laying in bed at night, you're listening to wee, um, keeps you awake?

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Oh, man. Yeah.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Uh, Brody, I'm gonna direct this one at you, because maybe you've seen this show, but a lot of people have been asking if we've watched American Primeval on Netflix.

• 1:11:33Speaker 05

  You know, I did watch that.

• 1:11:35Speaker 04

  I did too, yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  Um, and there's like some cool historical accuracies in it, but it's also, you know, Hollywood, like, I don't want to give it away to, you know, people that haven't seen it, but there's a really stupid scene with wolves attacking, like, busting through a cabin and trying to attack people like shit that would never happen.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  But like the Jim Bridger stuff where he was running the fort, that's all, and, and is running with, uh, Brigham Young, like that's, that, that stuff all happened. Um, it was, it was a cool show.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  I thought it was good. Cool. Uh, I think you gave an update on this, Steve, for an episode that maybe hasn't aired yet, or it was trivia or something, but, uh, someone's, Dakota's asking for a punt gun update, because I know you've made some, we've made some strides in that department.

• 1:12:20Steven Rinella?

  From Dakota punts.

• 1:12:23Steven Rinella?

  We're getting very close to shooting it. Um, we, just last week, we're out, but we're working on a kind of a way to, you can't mount it rigid, you got, it's got to move. So we're working on a mount, but yeah, we would have shot it, but we're just having a real streak of bad weather right now. Just not fun time to be out blowing your hand off trying to shoot your punt gun.

• 1:12:43Speaker 04

  29 below this morning.

• 1:12:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Needs to warm up. Well, we will do one more, and this is kind of like a very, this is a very broad, generic question, but hey, it's your birthday, Steve, so I'm gonna put you on the spot. In, in your 51 years, this is from Tyler, what is, do you have a favorite hunting memory?

• 1:12:59Steven Rinella?

  Nah, no.

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  All right. Thanks, Tyler. That'll do it for today's episode.

• 1:13:05Steven Rinella?

  Just the whole pack, the whole package of it. I like a lot. I can't, I'd have to think about that for a long time.

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a tough question. I know one you talk about a lot with a lot of enthusiasm is the, uh, the youth deer season hunt.

• 1:13:18Steven Rinella?

  Oh, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I would say that, but that's pretty recent.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I like going, I like hunting, I like hunting, uh, taking the kids youth deer hunting. But then taking any kind of, I, I, you know, younger people can't picture, cause I wouldn't have pictured it when I was younger. You just can't, like, I might as well not even say it, cause you just can't picture it. When you get older, if you have kids, and you should, um,

• 1:13:46Steven Rinella?

  it just, I can't even explain it. It just winds up being so much more fun to do stuff with them.

• 1:13:50Speaker 05

  Like, when I think about me getting my first buck versus my kid getting, it's like, there's no comparison.

• 1:13:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I would rather hunt one day with my kids than like three days without them. It's just more fun, man. You know, I just like, but I don't, I wouldn't expect anybody to understand that, but like I said, I recommend having kids if you can have kids. Gives you a good sense of, oh, man, gives you a good sense of purpose.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  Cool. Well, we've got one more thing to read before the end of the show about a, um, a call to action for our listeners.

• 1:14:24Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  Scroll down.

• 1:14:29Steven Rinella?

  I gotta get the hang of this hosting. Folks, before we go, we're in need of some fresh hot tip offs. Man, I could make a hot tip off every damn day.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  Well, we could use some more, but this is, and that's one of the reasons why we're reaching out to the, to the people.

• 1:14:45Steven Rinella?

  I got one for you right now.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 1:14:47Steven Rinella?

  When you cook deer meat and you got leftover deer meat the next day, slice it real thin, get a bunch of butter in a pan, put a shitload of Frank's Red Hot in that butter and then stir that meat in there and eat that.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Buffalo.

• 1:14:58Steven Rinella?

  Buffalo deer meat strips. Buffalo leftovers is what they call that. We're in need of some fresh hot tip offs. Send us a video of what.

• 1:15:09Steven Rinella?

  Of, this is poorly written. Who wrote this?

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna throw him under the bus.

• 1:15:16Steven Rinella?

  Send a video of what you, no, no, it is well written. Send a video of what you believe to be your outdoor tips to our radio live email address with hot tip off in the subject line. So here's all you do. Make a hot tip off. A hot tip off is where you go, welcome to our hot tip off. And then you explain a hot tip for outdoorsmen.

• 1:15:38Speaker 05

  Quickly explain.

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, 30 to 60 seconds.

• 1:15:40Steven Rinella?

  30 to 60 seconds. Write hot tip off in the subject line and send that son of a gun over to radio at the meat eater.com. 30 to 60 seconds. Film it vertically. Okay?

• 1:15:54Speaker 05

  Family friendly.

• 1:15:56Steven Rinella?

  Family friendly. If we use, if we use your video, we're gonna, it'll be a showdown. These are one to one showdowns. So we'll, you send your hot tip off and we're gonna match it with another hot tip off and see who wins. If you win the hot tip off, the best hot tip off of the week, then you win cool prizes.

• 1:16:18Steven Rinella?

  From, we'll send you cool prizes from meat eater brands. We'll send you cool prizes for one of our amazing partner brands, whatever. You'll be rewarded when you make a 30 to 60 second hot tip and send it, subject line, hot tip off to radio at the meat eater.com. Leave your pants on while making the video.

• 1:16:40Steven Rinella?

  That wraps this week's program. I should tell you my story about Greg Fonz.

• 1:16:44Speaker 05

  Does that have to do with pants?

• 1:16:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Let's tell it real quick. Before I really knew Greg Fonz, he always got his spear fishing shop. I'd like, was texting him about, like a question I had about how to rig something. And he's sitting there in like an apron. You know, like a shop apron. And he's, I don't even know the guy. And he's explaining, eventually he like turns towards the other workbench. This is bare ass.

• 1:17:09Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I was like, what a freak, man.

• 1:17:14Steven Rinella?

  Later I just realized his sense of humor.

• 1:17:20Steven Rinella?

  All right. Stay classy. Me and the radio live. See you next week.

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