#273 - Knights Templar: Vatican is Covering up Bones of Jesus Christ | Tim Hogan

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Timothy Hogan is the Grand Master of the Knights Templar. He is also a Past Master within several different spiritual traditions, including many bodies in Freemasonry & of Rosicrucian lineages. SPONSORS https://hellofresh.com/freedanny - Get 10 FREE meals applied across 7 boxes. https://shopmando.com - Use code DANNY for $5 off your starter pack. https://apple.co/4e8ylpA - Sign up for DraftKings Casino with code DANNYJONESPOD. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/timothyhogan5 https://www.facebook.com/TimothyW. Hogan FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTILNE 00:00 - Becoming Grand Master of the Knights Templar 07:41 - Freemason initiation process 19:11 - Ancient flying crafts 25:18 - Freemasonry's Egypt connection 35:28 - Mysteries of the Osireion temple 38:39 - Egyptian pyramid chemical factories 44:47 - The 6 arks of the covenant 51:48 - Original story of Noah 01:02:05 - Why Jesus was arrested 01:09:26 - Biblical texts no one wants to talk about 01:21:37 - How Ancient Egypt influenced all religions 01:35:50 - Chinon Parchment: Napoleon's raid on the Vatican Archives 01:49:26 - Sacred geometry in the Notre-Dame 02:01:00 - Emerald Tablet & the philosopher's stone 02:07:39 - New evidence for electricity in the pyramids 02:21:44 - Ancient precision machines 02:28:12 - Historians are looking for Atlantis in the wrong place 02:47:29 - Ancient resurrection ceremonies 02:56:46 - Where the Knights Templar is holding Jesus' bones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Speaker 00

  We start messing around with ideas that people aren't comfortable with in the past. It's been kind of dangerous, you know?

• 0:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the, the, this history of the Templars is pretty crazy. You guys got persecuted, the, the, first of all, you, how are you associated with the Knights Templar?

• 0:25Speaker 00

  So I'm the Grand Master, I'm, I'm the Grand Master of the Order of the Sovereign Temple of Initiates, which is just like a modern conglomerate of different Templar lineages. When I say lineages, when the Templar Order was suppressed in 1307, it had to go underground. And it survived in different pockets.

• 0:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  In different areas and those pockets kind of grew independently and at different periods of time, they've kind of come back together and then at other times they've separated again. And so there's, there's about half a dozen strains of Templar lineages out there. And, um, but they all come together in the Order of the Temple of Sovereign Initiates, which is, uh, I'm the head of, so.

• 1:25Danny Jones?

  And how did you get into it from the beginning? Like how, where, when you were a child or were your parents into this stuff?

• 1:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, my, my, my dad was, my, my grandparents were on both sides of my family.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  And, uh, yeah, I was brought into it at eight, so.

• 1:45Danny Jones?

  How so? Were you initiated?

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was initiated.

• 1:48Danny Jones?

  What was that like?

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Well, it was a page initiation. I thought, um,

• 1:53Speaker 00

  You know, I was led into a council. There was a bunch of people and you know, dressed in cloaks and stuff, adults totally freaked me out, you know, I didn't know what was going on and and you know, I was put before this council, they they basically said that I had fulfilled my duties of becoming a page and I had to take an oath of chivalry. And then I had to kneel and they dubbed me as a page. But I will tell you, as an eight year old, when you see a guy coming up in front of you and you're kneeling and he has a big sword. I thought it was gonna be like a sacrifice or something. It was terrifying at first.

• 2:39Danny Jones?

  Did you have to kiss the silver head?

• 2:40Speaker 00

  No, I didn't have to kiss the silver head, but they, but they, you know, they, yeah, they, they they dubbed me and that was the, that was the beginning of the journey. Yeah.

• 2:52Danny Jones?

  Wow. So like, what was, when you were being raised as a child, like what kind of things did you guys do to like? I mean, obviously that was a pretty unique experience at eight years old.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was unique. I wasn't the only one going through it, but it was

• 3:11Speaker 00

  yeah, I mean, we were given

• 3:15Speaker 00

  you know, started out, you know, we were, we were taught to certain virtues that we're supposed to embody, you know, it wasn't anything too esoteric. It was very

• 3:28Speaker 00

  you know, how do you perform humble service and how do you act with humility and meekness in the world and, and don't take yourself too seriously and how do you do things without want or need of recognition? That type of deal and and later, you know, it became a little more esoteric because then you, you realize that what you're being humbled to is is really your, your own higher self, your own higher spirit, you know, your own the, the, the, the person you're striving to be, you know? And

• 4:10Speaker 00

  And if you, you know, if you listen to that, then things usually work out well for you.

• 4:15Danny Jones?

  And then how did you end up being a grand master?

• 4:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that took a lot of time. So I went through a lot of different orders, a lot of different degrees. I studied a lot of different traditions and um, eventually, uh, I was join, join an organization that was known as Cersei's International, which was a, uh, French tradition, it's French Templar tradition. It was, you didn't know it was a Templar tradition till you were in it for a while. Uh, but, uh, then what they did is they, um, I went through, I became a grand preceptor and then I became a grand commander,

• 4:56Speaker 00

  which was basically in charge of a region. So like the, the region I was in charge of was, uh, North America. And then

• 5:06Danny Jones?

  There's no grand wizards, are there?

• 5:07Speaker 00

  No, no good wizards.

• 5:11Speaker 00

  Nothing like that. No, total opposite of KKK. In fact, the, the, the, the grand commander before me was a, was a black man by the name of Dr. Anzal Wilson.

• 5:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? There's black folks in the Knights Templar?

• 5:23Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:24Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  Black, black folks. There's women. There's

• 5:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  You name it. So, uh, Native American, indigenous, Native Americans.

• 5:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, cool.

• 5:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's

• 5:35Danny Jones?

  So like, at what point did like your parents sit you down and say, son, you're a part of the Knights Templar? Do you know what the Knights Templar?

• 5:43Speaker 00

  It wasn't, it wasn't even like that. It was, it was, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's like they, they got me in this program as a kid that I went through till I got to an adult, the age of an adult. And, uh, then I, uh, I started, I was trying to figure out where this was all coming from, you know, like they didn't say it was Templar based. They didn't say Templars started this tradition. They just, it was just this, this thing that I went through. And, uh, but then by the time I got an adult, I started looking into it more and I started realizing there was this whole other

• 6:26Speaker 00

  movement behind it. And, uh, and, uh, I remember one of my first things I was gonna do is I was gonna go, um, I realized it was, it was somewhat connected with Freemasonry.

• 6:39Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  So, uh, at 18, I was like, well, I'm gonna go try to go down to a Masonic Lodge and see, you know, if I, if I could get in and, and, uh, and, uh, what that's about, what the connection is. And I remember I was in college and I went to my mom's house and I was doing laundry in her, you know, at her house. And, uh, I said, you know, I'm thinking about, um, becoming a Freemason potentially. And my mom said, oh, you know, everybody in your family belongs to that. You should talk to your grandfather. And I was like, what?

• 7:22Speaker 00

  Uh, I had no clue. And, uh, so then I, I went and talked to my grandfather. I found out my other grandfather was also very much involved. I found out, uh, my dad had been involved. Um, uh, and, and then it just kinda went from there and, and, uh, within Freemasonry, uh, there's the standard, what's known as the Blue Lodge, which is, uh, three degrees of, uh, where, where someone becomes a master mason. And then once they become a master mason, they can go into what's known as the York Rite or the Scottish Rite.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  And both of these systems have a whole nother series of degrees, but both of them culminate in Knight Templar degrees. And so I did that. I actually ended up doing both, um, became a Knight Templar in the York Rite, became a Thirty second degree mason in the Scottish Rite. And then.

• 8:28Danny Jones?

  What kind of shit do you have to do to become the high level of a mason? Like what do you do to learn stuff? Do you have to?

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, you learn stuff, you have to memorize a bunch of stuff. You have to.

• 8:35Danny Jones?

  Like what?

• 8:37Speaker 00

  They give you things to memorize so that. That's basically like. The outline of the ritual itself. And the reason is i- if every mason in the world died tomorrow and you were the last person. You could rebuild the entire system based on what you had memorized. And those degrees have within them. Moral instruction, but also.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  They give you the keys for a number of things, including.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  The science of alchemy. So you can make your own medicines.

• 9:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah?

• 9:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, and as well as the the blueprints for rebuilding civilization should should it collapse again?

• 9:28Danny Jones?

  What kind of medicines can you make or do you do you learn to make?

• 9:31Speaker 00

  Well, you you learn the the the fundamental process of how do you how you can take a herb? Also, you could take a metal and break it down into a solution. Get rid of impurities and.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  And then turn it into something else, you know, that's good for you. That's more potent, so.

• 9:59Speaker 00

  You know, you you'd go through stages of digestion, distillation, calcination, extract the oils, the salts. Re rebuild it all back together.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  And yeah, create a medicine, so. It should it you learn how to do that with the.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  It's the the the building blocks are the same for all medicines in terms of what you start with. And then how you extract this stuff at the end. But you can also. You know, one of the, one of the herbs or one of the plants that's emphasized within Freemasonry in particular is the acacia. And if you do these processes to the acacia, you, you can extract certain forms of acacia, you can extract DMT out of it. So, you know, it's one of the, one of the undercurrents to the Masonic tradition.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  And it was something that they had inherited from the Knights Templar as they were traveling in the Middle East, in the Holy Land and meeting with groups like the Druze and the Sibians and, and others who are passing on this alchemical tradition and who were translating alchemical texts from the Greek and Roman and Egyptian times.

• 11:31Danny Jones?

  Is it common practice within Freemasonry to take DMT and to do these psychedelics?

• 11:37Speaker 00

  I wouldn't say it's common practice. There, there are brothers who do. But the processes there, I mean, the process for extracting it is the same as you, you would for any other, any other herb, you know, you do through the same process. It just so happens that.

• 11:55Danny Jones?

  So psychedelics aren't a part of, necessarily a part of that?

• 11:57Speaker 00

  No, they're not necessarily part of it. There have been Masonic rites throughout history that have done that to a certain degree. I mean, I would recommend the works of P. D. Newman. He's, he's written a number of books that specifically focus on that in particular. But yeah, so that's part of it. I mean, if, if, I think,

• 12:30Speaker 00

  there's a lot of subtleties in Freemasonry and the ritual that is. They don't necessarily tell you what directly what they're telling you. If that makes sense, you you go through these initiations and they

• 12:49Speaker 00

  they will subject you to weird things. And those those weird things, they don't make rational sense.

• 12:57Danny Jones?

  Like what? What kind of weird things?

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Well, it's just like, you know, for example, you know, you may have a ritual where where you only have one shoe on. You know, and, you know, it's just at first it may seem like a form of hazing, but then you realize it's actually trying to they're trying to emphasize, you know, your left side of your body, for example. And and they're trying to between the degrees, they're trying to bring you into balance with yourself. And but they'll also talk about things that

• 13:34Speaker 00

  just don't make sense, like one of my favorite ones is

• 13:39Speaker 00

  there's a

• 13:42Speaker 00

  there's a in the third degree, there's a there's a ship captain. They they they do these these plays for the for the person for the candidate.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  And in the third degree, there's the ship captain and it's

• 14:00Speaker 00

  there's these these bad people that are trying to get on this ship to go to Ethiopia from Jerusalem. And most people don't think anything of it. And it's King Solomon's ship captain, right? And it's King Solomon's ship. And these bad people can't get on King Solomon's ship that goes from from Jerusalem to Ethiopia. Well.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  You gotta remember Freemasonry largely standardized its rituals by the early 1700s. And there is no way to sail from Jerusalem to Ethiopia, right? You couldn't sail from Jerusalem to Ethiopia until the Suez Canal was built, which was recently, right? So then you have to ask yourself, well, what kind of ship is it? And the answer is, at the same time that ritual was being developed,

• 15:05Speaker 00

  there was a Freemason who was also a Templar by the name of Bruce. Bruce was his name, but he was with the Scottish Royal Society. And he had, he had just discovered this new Ethiopian text called the Kebrog Nagast.

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• 17:01Speaker 00

  And in this text, it talks about King Solomon's flying ship. And how King Solomon would fly from Jerusalem to Ethiopia in his flying ship.

• 17:14Danny Jones?

  Who wrote this?

• 17:15Speaker 00

  It's a, it's an ancient Coptic text.

• 17:18Danny Jones?

  What's the name of the text?

• 17:19Speaker 00

  The Kebra Nagast.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  And it's a

• 17:23Danny Jones?

  Kebra?

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, Kebra Nagas, it's Ethiopian.

• 17:27Danny Jones?

  Nagas.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's Ethiopian text.

• 17:30Danny Jones?

  Oh, here you go.

• 17:30Speaker 00

  Yep. And in it, it talks about King Solomon's flying ship and how he would travel in a few hours, which would, what would normally take people several days.

• 17:41Danny Jones?

  Can you find when this was, when was this written, you know?

• 17:44Speaker 00

  Well,

• 17:44Danny Jones?

  Go to Wikipedia.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  It was, it was first discovered and translated in English in the 1700s, early 1700s. The sky, he had done it for the Scottish Royal Society.

• 18:00Speaker 00

  But the text is believed to be, you know, quite ancient and something that was preserved by the Coptic Church there. And, uh, but the fact that it talks about King Solomon's flying ship.

• 18:17Speaker 00

  That's really what is being emphasized in, in the, in the ritual. So here's this Masonic ritual from the 1700s. That is emphasizing King Solomon's flying ship that would allow you to go from Jerusalem to Ethiopia by flying.

• 18:36Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  Very interesting.

• 18:38Danny Jones?

  And fun.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:40Danny Jones?

  Very fun.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  And there's actually areas around, um,

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Uh, the Middle East where there's big mesas that are known as the thrones of Solomon. And according to the local legend, that's where Solomon would land his ship was on top of these.

• 18:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, these uh.

• 19:00Danny Jones?

  What kind of ship do you think it was?

• 19:03Speaker 00

  I don't know. I, I can only, you know, I can only guess.

• 19:07Danny Jones?

  What's your best guess?

• 19:08Speaker 00

  Well, I, I will say this, um, King Solomon was known in particular for uh, the manufacturing of mana in the, in the Bible. Mana was this mysterious subject substance. Um, in fact, uh, it, it says that King Solomon received 666 talents of gold a year in exchange for this. Hmm. And, uh, that number six, six, six in the ancient world was the number of transformation.

• 19:42Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  So, um, as a templar, we're pretty sure we know what that mana is and it's, uh, it's gold. That's been converted into a monoatomic state. Uh, where it turns into this white powder that's, uh, the Egyptians have depicted all over their, their temple walls. And, uh, this mana is super conductive when it's converted to this state. And, uh, it causes things to weigh less. Uh, like a container holding the mana will weigh less than a container filled with nothing. The same container filled with nothing.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  So it's causing a some sort of a, a weight displacement or an anti-gravity effect.

• 20:32Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  And this is how, why. Uh, the mana was stored in the Ark of the Covenant, which would have weighed several tons, but two people could carry it with rods, right? Because it was causing the weight displacement. And we find the same word mana all over the ancient world associated with flying craft.

• 21:00Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, so uh.

• 21:02Danny Jones?

  Hot where?

• 21:03Speaker 00

  So like in India, these flying craft that are found in the Vedic texts are known as Vimana.

• 21:11Speaker 00

  In ancient Sumer, the flying craft that the Anunnaki or the, the sky gods were flying around in were known as Shimana. Uh, we find the same word um in Polynesian cultures as being mana. And they said the mana was used to move the giant Moai sculptures and stuff. Um, in

• 21:41Speaker 00

  in uh Buddhist traditions, it's not called mana, but it's called mani. Uh, so or chintamani. But uh, it's, it's.

• 21:52Danny Jones?

  So these, I didn't know these languages shared similar roots.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  They do, yeah, which proves that there was a.

• 21:59Danny Jones?

  What about, what about in Hebrew? Is there a word for it in Hebrew?

• 22:01Speaker 00

  In Hebrew, it's mana. Yeah, mana.

• 22:04Danny Jones?

  Because I know for a fact there was um,

• 22:09Danny Jones?

  uh, there's this author, John Allegra, who wrote a book about sacred mushroom and the cross.

• 22:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:14Danny Jones?

  And the basis of his whole book was uh connecting root words or connecting Sumerian roots to Hebrew roots, try to figure out what, what was going on. But one of the foundational problems, I think, with his book is that none of the Hebrew roots, the Hebrew roots do not match any of the um, any of the uh Sumerian roots at all, like they're completely separate languages.

• 22:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, they, they have to, in order to trace Hebrew, you have to go back to Egyptian.

• 22:45Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 22:46Speaker 00

  Now there's a lot of uh.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Jewish listeners who may not like like that idea just because there's been tension between Egypt and and Israel over the centuries. But in fact, if you look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs. So if you look at the letter hieroglyphs, the the hieroglyphs for each letter.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  For example, the letter M in Egyptian hieroglyphs is an owl, right? It's a it's a it's the hieroglyph is an owl. Well, you can trace that into the Phoenician, which is like the cousins of the Egyptians. And in the Phoenician, the letter M looks like the top of the owl's head. And then if you take that Phoenician, it goes, it becomes Hebrew. And and the letter men in Hebrew looks just like that owl head that came from the Phoenician. So you can trace it directly. You can do that with all the letters.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  And there's a lot of words in in the Egyptian, ancient Egyptian, that are the same today in Hebrew.

• 24:07Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's it. It actually goes back to the Egyptian. But an example of that is, for example, in in ancient Egypt, the word for truth is mat. All right, mat means truth or universal order.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  And and in Hebrew, the word for truth is mat. So it's the same word. And in fact, uh, the word for, uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mat, mat was the the word, the word for truth in Hebrew is amat, emet, emat, but it's very similar to mat.

• 24:57Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  And in ancient Egyptian, the mat was also a goddess who presided over the dead. Uh, and

• 25:08Speaker 00

  The word for death, or, or, yeah, death in Hebrew is mat. So it's, it's, it's, it's tied in. It's just people aren't used to looking at it that way.

• 25:18Danny Jones?

  How come, how come every Freemason I've ever met is super knowledgeable about ancient Egypt stuff?

• 25:26Speaker 00

  Uh, well, it's, it's, it's, uh, I think we all acknowledge it goes back to that. I mean, so one of the things that happened is when the Templar Order was formed, it was formed about 1096.

• 25:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:41Speaker 00

  Uh, by 1118, it was setting up shop in Jerusalem. And then from there, they went in, down into Egypt and they, uh, there's, they, uh, set up a commandery at the, uh, Temple of Isis at Fila. And in fact, if you go to the Temple of Isis at Fila, to this day, there's Templar crosses carved all throughout the temple. Uh, so you'll see the Egyptian hieroglyphs and stuff, and then you'll see the Templars, you know, put in their, their crosses too, to mark their territory. But they, um, and then from there, they spread out to all the major temples in Egypt and they were doing study, uh, and research and, uh,

• 26:26Speaker 00

  and in fact, uh, there's even a, there's even a room, if you go to, um, the Temple of Seti the First at Abydos, uh, there's a room there that is closed to the public. But if you're able to get into it, it has a depiction on the wall of one of these arcs, like the Ark of the Covenant, uh, that the Egyptians were transporting. It shows a, a pharaoh presumably Seti the First, holding his hand out with a, a, a mound cake of, uh, this white mana, which was this monoatomic substance.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  And then you'll see graffiti of three red Templar crosses.

• 27:17Speaker 00

  Done clear back in the 1100s.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Around the the ark. That was depicted on the wall.

• 27:28Danny Jones?

  Are there images we can find on the internet of this?

• 27:30Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, I, well, no, I, I have images of it.

• 27:34Danny Jones?

  You do?

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, um, I don't have any way, I don't know how I could get it to you.

• 27:38Danny Jones?

  Is it on your phone?

• 27:39Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:41Danny Jones?

  If you could send it, can you send it to me and I can pay it to Steven? He can throw it on the TV, we could look at it?

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 27:45Danny Jones?

  So you've been in this temple?

• 27:47Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:48Danny Jones?

  And you said it's not open to the public?

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, that room is not open to the public, it's.

• 27:53Danny Jones?

  And why not? Why wouldn't it be open?

• 27:55Speaker 00

  Uh. There's a couple of reasons. One is because of the red Templar crosses on it.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Uh, the Muslims, you know, it's a Muslim cult country still, Egypt's still a Muslim country. And they're not, you know, they're not comfortable with the cross being depicted anywhere.

• 28:13Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's one, because they don't, they don't believe that, uh, Jesus died on the cross. And in the Quran, it says that someone else was.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  It says that the, the people were taken in by an appearance. But, uh.

• 28:35Speaker 00

  Oh, here we go, hang on.

• 28:37Danny Jones?

  So this is you?

• 28:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, so then you see those, those three red crosses on the wall?

• 28:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  And then between them, I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty faded, but.

• 28:46Danny Jones?

  He could zoom.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, if you go, go up between the crosses, the three crosses. That's an ark right there on the.

• 28:56Danny Jones?

  An ark?

• 28:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, ark, like the ark of the covenant.

• 28:59Danny Jones?

  So how is it an ark?

• 29:01Speaker 00

  Well, so it's a box.

• 29:02Danny Jones?

  Ah.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  That is, yeah, that is, uh.

• 29:06Danny Jones?

  And the ark of the covenant is in there?

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Right, that, that's, that's the ark of the covenant. I mean, that's, that's, well, it's a ark of the covenant. I mean, the ark of the covenant in the Bible was based on these arcs that you find throughout Egypt. All, all the temples of Egypt at one point in time had one of these boxes. And we believe from a Templar perspective, we believe these boxes were a.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  They were electrostatic capacitors and that they were remnants of a lost technology from a pre-civilization like Atlantis.

• 29:45Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 29:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, and that they were brought to Egypt to be preserved during the last cataclysm. And Egypt had these in all of their temples at one point in time.

• 29:57Danny Jones?

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• 31:48Danny Jones?

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• 32:01Speaker 00

  Well, we have six. Uh, the temple order has six right now, uh, buried in vaults here in the United States. But there are, there are others out there. I mean, there's supposedly one in Ethiopia right now. Uh, at a church in Ethiopia.

• 32:17Danny Jones?

  And how do they work?

• 32:18Speaker 00

  Uh, what they do is they, um, they're, they're built of multiple layers of acacia wood and gold. And, uh, they just start to build up static electricity within them. And when you put that, when you put that Mada in there, which is that, there's the, there's the, uh,

• 32:42Danny Jones?

  The ancient helicopter?

• 32:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, the middle.

• 32:44Danny Jones?

  On the right, yeah, right there.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  Right there.

• 32:46Danny Jones?

  God, that looks just like a helicopter, huh?

• 32:49Speaker 00

  Right. You can see another little, you can see some other.

• 32:52Danny Jones?

  Is that real?

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. It's on a lintel.

• 32:54Danny Jones?

  That looks like, that looks like Jeff Bezos super yacht up there on the top.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's, uh, that's there at Abydos. It's at a, it's at the temple of city of the first. It's on a pillar, uh, high, it's high up, but it's near the entrance of the temple. And, yeah, so.

• 33:14Danny Jones?

  Can you zoom in on that again, Steve? Or another one, maybe a bigger one?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so check this out. Cause this one up here has like a bow that is not the same.

• 33:24Danny Jones?

  That's not what it looks like.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  I know it's not. It's so weird. Oh, here's another one.

• 33:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, that's low, super low res.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  You know what? I'll search for high.

• 33:32Danny Jones?

  You have to click on it, then zoom in on it, bro.

• 33:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's kind of hard to, it's hard to photograph it too, cause it's up pretty high, you know, but you can.

• 33:42Danny Jones?

  There we go. That's nice and clean. Dude, look at that.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:47Danny Jones?

  That's like some sort of moth or something, or crazy.

• 33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's almost like.

• 33:53Danny Jones?

  Insect on the left?

• 33:54Speaker 00

  It's almost like, uh, so, so you can clearly see what looks like the Apache helicopter.

• 33:59Danny Jones?

  It looks like a helicopter, right? And then, and then that looks like the,

• 34:04Danny Jones?

  like it definitely looks like a submarine below it.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 34:07Danny Jones?

  And then the thing on the top, yeah, it's either like a hand, like an elongated hand and it kinda looks like a yacht.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Well, so it's got a wing, so that that that it's almost like a fat plane. And then down below it is a, it almost looks like that thing that Luke Skywalker was in in the in the

• 34:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  in the first movie, you know, when he's going around.

• 34:33Danny Jones?

  Do we know when this was carved?

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 34:38Danny Jones?

  Is there any way to find that out?

• 34:39Speaker 00

  Hmm. I mean, there's the, there's the standard archaeological explanation. And then there's the alternative theory.

• 34:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Uh, the alternative theory suggests that it's.

• 34:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but there's gotta be somewhere to date. There's no car- no way to carbon date this.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  No way of carbon dating, you know, I mean, carbon dating is based on, um, when things were burned in the area.

• 35:04Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  Things have been burned in the area for forever, so.

• 35:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 00

  Uh, it's, but, but some, some of the earliest pharaohs are actually buried in the backyard of, of this temple, so to speak.

• 35:18Danny Jones?

  I trust.

• 35:18Speaker 00

  And right below the temple, like literally in the backyard of this temple, is another area that's known as the Osirian. And the Osirian is arguably the oldest

• 35:34Speaker 00

  megalithic structure in Egypt.

• 35:36Danny Jones?

  That place is crazy looking.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  Totally crazy. It's all fit together like jigsaw puzzle and it's, uh.

• 35:42Danny Jones?

  You remember, Steve, do you remember when we had the Snake Bros on here?

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:46Danny Jones?

  And they were showing us all those cuts of the Osirian?

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then the, the water, they don't know where the water's coming from. I think it's probably a natural spring or something. Cause it's, originally they thought it was Nile water, but it's not Nile water and it goes down. I mean, what, from what you see is just at the top of water level, but the water level goes down another forty feet.

• 36:09Danny Jones?

  Show, see if you can find an image of like the corner cuts of the Osirian, like where they show like the wall joints coming together. And the overlap, like it, it looks as if they just stacked all these stones in a big pile and then cut through them to create the negative. Of space.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Yep. Well, and those are, you know, you have to keep in mind that each one of those stones is is almost a hundred tons, you know, I mean.

• 36:36Danny Jones?

  Can't really see that.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  The big ones.

• 36:37Danny Jones?

  Can't really see it there.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  This has been ground down and this is the original stone right there. They just like.

• 36:44Danny Jones?

  Find, just type in like Snake Bros of Syrian, you'll find, you'll find it.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  So like this, so this is like the, basically the backyard of the temple of Seti the first.

• 36:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  At Abydos and then, you know, the temple was built up above it. And in that temple, that's where they had one of these arcs that the Templars found.

• 37:05Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 37:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then, and that's also where those hieroglyphs are.

• 37:08Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  Of the, the, the helicopter and the.

• 37:12Danny Jones?

  Is that it?

• 37:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:14Danny Jones?

  Well.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Well, it doesn't show the grind.

• 37:16Danny Jones?

  You can't see it. So like it, that corner piece, it would have been one stone.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's usually the lentils.

• 37:22Danny Jones?

  We're having trouble finding it right now.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, you have to look at the lentils, the, the. The, uh.

• 37:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, these were close up photos, man.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm typing.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  But you know, the whole, the whole place is very mysterious, you know, I mean.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Do you know the conventional explanation to how those things, those stones are cut there?

• 37:43Speaker 00

  No, they don't know, to be honest. I mean, they know it's rose, they know it's rose granite. They know it comes from Aswan, which is.

• 37:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, uh, five hundred miles away.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, uh, you know, not only that, but you have to go over a mountain range.

• 37:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  And then back down to the Nile if you're going to transport them. Um, there's a lot of mystery surrounding it and, uh. Uh, it's. To this day, I mean, it's, uh, they don't know where the water's coming from. I'm, I'm assuming it's a natural spring.

• 38:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  But, but again, so at that level where, where you're seeing it, that water level, it goes down forty feet.

• 38:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  Even below that, you know, so it's, it's a huge structure.

• 38:33Danny Jones?

  They gotta send scuba, scuba team down there.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:36Danny Jones?

  See what's down there.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, I, I, I am under the opinion, this is just my.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  My conjecture that they were taking the water from there, they're bringing it up into the temple up above and they were doing alchemical processes in that temple and they were extracting from it these monoatomic elements that would go into the ark, you know, which would generate tremendous power.

• 39:09Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 39:10Speaker 00

  Uh, that's my take on it. Now, as far as cutting those stones, uh, there is a process and I, and I recently revealed this to the, um, Egyptian antiquities. Uh, there's a plant that grows near a lot of the monuments in Egypt and its scientific name was dictopedalum. And if you do these alchemical processes to it that are taught within Freemasonry, uh, where you, you know, if you were to do that to, uh, acacia, you could extract DMT, but if you do it to this dictopedalum, what you extract is hydrofluoric acid.

• 39:51Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  And hydrofluoric acid eats through granite. It's, uh, it melts granite, it melts.

• 39:58Danny Jones?

  Does it really?

• 39:59Speaker 00

  The silica and the granite. Yeah. And it, uh, the only thing that stops that, that hydrofluoric acid are gold, lead and beeswax. And, uh, so.

• 40:13Danny Jones?

  It can't burn through gold, lead or beeswax?

• 40:14Speaker 00

  Correct. So I think, uh, well, I know what they probably did with a lot of the, the etching on granite was they would create a, a beeswax, you know, they pour beeswax over it and then they'd cut out and create a template for what they wanted to be burned into the, the granite.

• 40:36Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  And then they just put a wash of the, uh, the hydrofluoric acid on it and it would eat away into it and etch it.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Um, I think this is also, if you go to, uh, Dendera, the temple of Hathor at Dendera, there's these staircases that appear to be melted. And there's all kinds of conjecture about how they got melted. I think it was a hydrofluoric acid spill because they were doing that etching on the walls, going up the staircase and they, they must've had a spill and it just melted the stairs.

• 41:12Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah. I had this dude on here named Jeffrey Drum. He has a, a, a channel called the Land of Chem in Egypt. He lives right, like right across the street from Giza.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 41:23Danny Jones?

  And, uh, he has this crazy, interesting.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. There's the melted stairs.

• 41:29Danny Jones?

  He has a super compelling hypothesis on how they used the pyramids to create, chemicals, like he thinks there were chemical manufacturing plants.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 41:40Danny Jones?

  And he says, even when you go inside one of those, uh, I forget, I think it was a step pyramid, maybe. He said it smells like sulfuric acid. Is that what it was, Steve?

• 41:51Speaker 00

  It smells like ammonia.

• 41:52Danny Jones?

  Ammonia. That's what it was. Ammonia. Yeah. He says that, that people, uh, the conventional explanation for it is from bats, bat shit. But he says it doesn't make sense because for some reason it wouldn't smell like that all the way. It smells the worst, the deeper you get, like to the very deepest part of the pyramid.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:11Danny Jones?

  And, uh, he has the diagrams of them and he lays it out really well on how it would've made perfect sense for those things to be manufacturing, um, those chemicals. And they would've been used to, uh, like create fertilizer to, um, spur the growth of agriculture and all kinds of stuff there.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  I think there's something to that. They, they got these, uh, these giant boxes down there too, below the step pyramid. And they have like a, almost like a, a cork on them. It's a stone cork.

• 42:41Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:42Speaker 00

  Uh, and you can tell they were like a pressure cooker type of deal at one point in time. So that steam could escape out. But if you, if you tried to pull a cork out, it, it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't let you do it.

• 42:55Danny Jones?

  Right. And there was also these bowls, these giant bowls that are like at the, like somewhere like around that pyramid near the base, it looks like there was like these channels going through the rocks. And then these big like bowls that looked like they were there to. Um, hold the whatever sort of chemical or whatever sort of fluid was coming out of those pyramids.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Quite, quite possibly. I mean, you have to remember our, I mean, chem or chemet was the ancient name for Egypt.

• 43:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  And that's where we get alchemy from, from which, and then from there came chemistry.

• 43:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:34Speaker 00

  Uh, but it all goes back to, to chem or chemet, Egypt.

• 43:39Danny Jones?

  He also thinks that, um, when in the Serapeum, like there's these scoop marks that are cut out of those big granite boxes down there.

• 43:46Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 43:47Danny Jones?

  He thinks that they would have used these chemicals potentially to soften the stone to scoop out like cracks or whatever. Cause if those things were using sound or whatever to like resonate or

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 43:56Danny Jones?

  Whatever, there was like high energy in there. You wouldn't want cracks in there to

• 44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:01Danny Jones?

  The integrity of those boxes.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:02Danny Jones?

  Scoop it.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  I think that was the hydrofluoric acid that I was talking about. Yeah. I think that's exactly what they were using. Yeah. Uh, and in fact, we even find, if you go to Aswan, the quarry, where they got all these, the stone from, you can find the, the pocking from the acid, uh, in, in certain areas to this day around there. And then even the, um, the unfinished obelisk at Aswan, it has those scoop marks

• 44:31Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  Going down the sides of it. And I think that's just where they would pour the acid down, you know?

• 44:38Danny Jones?

  And under it too, right?

• 44:39Speaker 00

  And under it. Yeah. And then they, that's how they would start to shape it. And, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm sure that's what was going on.

• 44:47Danny Jones?

  So back to the Ark of the Covenant.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:49Danny Jones?

  You said there's six that we have.

• 44:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's six right now that we, so.

• 44:54Danny Jones?

  Are there any pictures of them online?

• 44:55Speaker 00

  No, no, uh-uh, no.

• 44:58Danny Jones?

  Why are they so secret?

• 44:59Speaker 00

  Uh, they were moved here. Well, first of all, they, they were moved here by, uh, the, the latest, the latest ones were moved here by about thirteen, thirteen forty-six, thereabouts. Uh, so

• 45:19Speaker 00

  what happened is that the order found, the temple order found all these, they found six of these arcs. Um, there was probably a hundred in antiquity. I mean, just based on the fact that every temple in Egypt had one at one point in time. Um, and, and which is clearly depicted on the temple walls all over Egypt. Um, but, uh,

• 45:48Speaker 00

  anyhow, the, the temple order gradually amassed six of these things and as well as other artifacts. And they spent time bringing them up into Portugal, into Scotland, um, where they were able to, uh, into France at one point in time before they were suppressed. Um, and, uh, and then they were making secret travels over to the new world of the Americas. And they had, they had, by the time the order was suppressed by thirteen, fourteen, completely suppressed by the Roman church, uh, they had already mapped all of North America

• 46:33Speaker 00

  by that time. And, uh, they brought these artifacts over and started, they, they formed alliances with certain, uh, indigenous native tribes, uh, here in the Americas, uh, and they hid all this stuff.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  Part of the reason why Spain was so active in suppressing all these indigenous native groups, uh, here in the Americas, when they came, started coming over is because they were looking for these artifacts. And they knew that the Templars had alliances with the indigenous natives. In fact, this is even the reason why when Columbus came over, he, he flew Templar crosses on his, on his ship sails, because he knew the natives would recognize them. And he was trying to trick them so he could find those treasures for Spain. And that's why Spain funded him.

• 47:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. So he had, he had, uh, Columbus had.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Uh, he had actually figured out that there was something going on uh, on the other side of the Atlantic. Uh, he, he ended up pulling one of the grand master's daughters actually out of a convent and marrying her to try to get the maps.

• 48:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 48:07Speaker 00

  To get over to the new world.

• 48:09Danny Jones?

  Ambitious fellow.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, he was, he was driven. Uh, and then he went to Portugal and said, fund me to go to the new world. And of course, they were like, uh, we already know there's, there's land on the other side. We've been traveling there because Portugal was largely founded as a Templar state.

• 48:28Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 48:29Speaker 00

  And, uh, they were like, nah, no thanks. Uh, so then he went to Portugal's enemy, which was Spain. And, uh, of course, Spain was happy to fund them. So.

• 48:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:44Danny Jones?

  So you said the Ark of the Covenant, they have acacia wood and gold.

• 48:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:50Danny Jones?

  And that somehow creates like a static electricity.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, builds up, it builds up, yeah, builds up static electricity and especially when the, this mana, which is a monoatomic gold is inside of it. It, what it does is it, that monoatomic gold is super conductive. And so as.

• 49:09Danny Jones?

  Mono atomic gold.

• 49:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. So as it starts to build up, uh, static, uh, then it's discharged through the top of it, you know, where that little angels are and their wings.

• 49:23Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  On top of the Ark of the Covenant, it, it discharges electricity. And of course, to the ancient people, they saw this as magic, you know, they saw this as the presence of God. And, but, but there's also why, even in the Bible, it says you couldn't touch the Ark of the Covenant because if you did, you would die. Because it would shock you to death, right? And the only way to discharge that, that, uh, electricity is you, you'd have to take a rod, like Aaron's rod that's described in the, um, in the Old Testament or the Torah. You, you ground it and drop it against the ark, you know, it would cause all that electricity

• 50:07Speaker 00

  to go grant, become grounded. So then you could open it up. But if you didn't do that, it, it could shock you. This is also why, um.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  If you, if you remember, or if you, if you, if you, I don't know how much biblical history you know, but like in the Torah or the Old Testament, it talks about Moses built this tabernacle in the wilderness to house the ark of the covenant. And he built this tabernacle out of all these wool curtains, right? And all these wool, this wool tent. Well, wool is also a, a collector of static electricity. So what all that did is it just allowed the, all that static electricity that the tabernacle was building up from the desert would, you know, would then go become condensed

• 51:01Speaker 00

  in the ark itself, which would, which would then cause this static discharge regularly.

• 51:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's interesting. Like the, like this kind of history is so fascinating, but the, when you really look at it, the crazy thing about it is like going, even going back to the sources, like for, for Noah, just for an example, like Noah wasn't even written about until like 1,200 years after he died.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Correct. Yeah, sure.

• 51:29Danny Jones?

  So imagine that today, imagine me and you having this conversation today.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Right.

• 51:34Danny Jones?

  And then it just like a cataclysm happens. And then in a thousand years, oh, Tim and Danny had this conversation a thousand years ago. What are the chances?

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Right.

• 51:45Danny Jones?

  That the story is going to be anywhere near accurate.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  I, I think there's a lot of metaphor that gets, the story of Noah is a good example. I mean, you know, we, we know there's flood myths all over the world and Noah, the Noah story is just one of them. But in the story of Noah, there's a, it's obviously the, the earth is, people become corrupt, they say, and then a flood happens, right?

• 52:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  And which wipes out civilization and then Noah and maybe a few other people survive it, you know?

• 52:28Speaker 00

  But in that story.

• 52:31Danny Jones?

  And that was written, when was that was first written in a Septuagint?

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah.

• 52:36Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, for Genesis, yeah, one of the early books of Genesis, so.

• 52:41Danny Jones?

  Which is three, is that three fifty, something like that? Steve, can you find out when the Septuagint was?

• 52:47Speaker 00

  And it was originally written, it was called the Septuagint because it was originally written in Greek.

• 52:51Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  And then they translated it back into Hebrew, which is kind of interesting.

• 52:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  But.

• 52:57Danny Jones?

  That's not, that's, a lot of people don't like, a lot of people don't say that, a lot of people, uh, most, most scholars, if you will, believe that it was originally Hebrew and translated into Greek.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:08Danny Jones?

  But I've had a lot of people on here debating this fact and, and, um, the biggest argument for it is that Greek was a much deeper, richer, complex language than Hebrew.

• 53:21Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:22Danny Jones?

  And Greek had like, like a 1.2 million unique words.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:26Danny Jones?

  Hebrew only has 7,000 unique words. So how do you take, like, my question is, how do you take a language? If something was written in a language, right, that only has 7,000 unique words? And how are you going to translate it into something that has over a million, that has more complex, that uses one word to convey multiple words? Like, if you take, you could, there's words that you can use, that you can take in Greek, right?

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 53:49Danny Jones?

  And you can, and it would take three words in Hebrew to make that one word in Greek.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  Right, right, exactly.

• 53:54Danny Jones?

  Yet, Greek has, like, a thousand times more words.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, and there's, you know, I mean, you know, the, the, the, the, the common story is that the Greeks were concerned that Hebrew was going to become lost. And so, and that those stories were going to become lost, so they, so they wrote them out in Greek to, in order to preserve them. And, and that's, and then from there it got translated back into Hebrew. Um, there, there's some.

• 54:29Danny Jones?

  So third century B.C.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:30Danny Jones?

  Roughly.

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, there, there's some argument for that because, uh, there are words in Hebrew, for example, uh, that you find in those books, like the word, uh, shibboleth. Shibboleth.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Uh, has come to mean a password, or it's come to mean a, um, a, uh.

• 54:57Danny Jones?

  This is a Hebrew word?

• 54:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, a waterford, um, a place where a waterford is in Hebrew. But it's come to mean that. But that word is actually a Greek word. It comes from shibboleth, which is, uh, uh, to conquer or victory. And lith, which is stone. So shibboleth is to conquer a stone or to, to, and that's, that's the real meaning of the word in Greek.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  So that's one of those examples where there was a Greek that was put in there that, that just was kept in Hebrew. And then it became something else, you know? So, uh, there, there are, there are things like that.

• 55:45Danny Jones?

  Do you know what Christ means in Greek?

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, Christ, Christos is, uh, is

• 55:54Speaker 00

  universal consciousness. But it's also, uh, it's also tied to, to the Christos, which is the, uh,

• 56:02Danny Jones?

  Creo is the root.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 56:04Danny Jones?

  And I had a, um, I had a classical philologist in here who spent his entire life reading and translating Greek. And, uh, he came up under John Scarborough. Who's like one of the most legendary.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:20Danny Jones?

  And, uh, basically told him when he was in, when he was coming up through, uh, his PhD program. He's like, don't fuck with any secondary sources. He's like, only go to original sources.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:31Danny Jones?

  For all of, for everything.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:32Danny Jones?

  And, um, he's told me in here that the word, the root word for Christ, Creo, or the word Christ in, in, um, or Christos.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Right.

• 56:43Danny Jones?

  In Greek, it actually means, according to him, to apply a drug to your eyes.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  To apply a drug to your eyes? I haven't heard that one.

• 56:53Danny Jones?

  So that they may be open.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Interesting. That's cool though. I think there's something to that. Yeah. From a gnostic standpoint.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  That fits real well, uh, cause the, uh, there were a lot of Greek words that the Gnostics interpreted very differently than how modern Christians do. For example, the word resurrection.

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• 58:31Speaker 00

  Comes from the, the Greek word anestasis. So in the, in the Greek New Testament, the, the word that's usually translated into English as resurrection is the word anestasis. But anestasis actually just means to wake up. It's the opposite of stasis. So stasis means to sleep. Anestasis is to wake up.

• 58:52Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  So the Gnostics interpreted that as something very different than, than a bodily resurrection. They interpreted as waking up to gnosis or divine experiential knowledge.

• 59:08Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  You know?

• 59:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Um, one of the other things that this gentleman, Amen Hillman, was explaining to me on the show was that, um, Jesus was a big time drug guy. He was always on drugs, always performing, you know, being, you know, participating in these, in these rites.

• 59:30Danny Jones?

  There was a, a thing they would do where they would get high on viper venom, on North African viper venom. And what they, and the way he's, by the way, he has, have you heard of Galen?

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• 1:00:46Danny Jones?

  He's Marcus Arrely's physician.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  Sure, sure, of course, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:49Danny Jones?

  He's read, God, ungodly amounts of Galen and translated ungodly amounts of Galen's work, like thousands and thousands of pages of his work. And what Galen talks about, which this guy's an expert in, is how they would induce viper venom, small amounts of viper venom, into children. Like put it on a bandage, like cut their arm and then wrap it in a bandage, just enough to where they wouldn't actually kill them.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:16Danny Jones?

  But they would create the antibodies.

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:01:18Danny Jones?

  So when they got high on snake venom, they could extract fluids from those people, whatever it was, from those children. And that would be an antidote, so they wouldn't die. And he thought that this was the idea of dying and being born again by taking the venom, the death inducers, they call them. And then to take the antidote, the Antichrist, which is what those were, those, they call them Antichrists, antidotes.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:42Danny Jones?

  And that would keep them alive. So they can get high.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:01:46Danny Jones?

  And survive.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  You know, the the Hopi of, you know, the area of Arizona, they have a similar right where they have a

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  they have a snake dance where you can become a brotherhood of the snake and where they would, they would actually, they take a rattlesnake and they hold it in their mouth and they dance with this rattlesnake in their mouth and they have a, they have an eagle feather that they they kind of

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  stroke the the snake with to keep it calm while they're dancing. And then at the end of the of the dance, they ingest the the poison from the

• 1:02:34Speaker 00

  from the rattlesnake and now now prior to this, they've been building up antibodies from the snake poison.

• 1:02:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:02:41Speaker 00

  But then they they, you know, they drink actually some of the snake poison.

• 1:02:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  And and if they survive it, then they're they're in the brotherhood of the snake at that point. But it's a similar, you know, it's a similar idea.

• 1:02:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, very similar idea. That's that's interesting. I never have to look. What is that called again?

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  It was the Hopi.

• 1:02:58Danny Jones?

  The Hopi?

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's the Hopi, the the snake dance, the the it's a rattlesnake dance.

• 1:03:06Danny Jones?

  So are you familiar with the part in the Bible where Jesus is arrested in the public park with the naked boy?

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Sure, yeah. Yeah, I think I think that was a, I think that was actually the initiation that was going on.

• 1:03:17Danny Jones?

  That's what this guy says. Well, not necessarily, what what so what Amen believes is basically so and then to clarify, like what a what a from what my understanding is of what a classicist, a classicist does.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Danny Jones?

  Is their job is to go back in the time machine, find. Texts and because there's this thing, there's this phenomenon called semantic drift that happens over time where one word will change and evolve meaning over millennia.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  Of course, yeah.

• 1:03:45Danny Jones?

  So there, so a classicist's job is to go back to a specific point in history, right? And read all the peripheral texts, the comedy, the poetry, the pharmaceutical texts, the medical texts, and figure out what, what a general consensus of what the words meant.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, the context.

• 1:04:06Danny Jones?

  The context of what was actually going on. So that's what he does. This is how he came to this conclusion about Jesus. In the park, when he was with the kid, he thinks Jesus was hallucinating on this death inducer, right? And he had the kid there who was wearing nothing but a linen cloth on his private parts.

• 1:04:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Danny Jones?

  And he thinks that that was somehow the, Jesus was going to get his antidote from the boy.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:04:31Danny Jones?

  And the boy ran off, right?

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:04:34Danny Jones?

  So then Jesus, the next day gets crucified and there's, and he's, he's like screaming and he dies early, right? They're not supposed to die that quick.

• 1:04:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Danny Jones?

  And there's the depiction of them giving him the sponge, you know, the,

• 1:04:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  The, what was it supposed to be? Like vinegar or something?

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Danny Jones?

  They, he says he believes that that was supposed to be like the antidote that was on that to keep him alive. And he refused to take it because he wanted to die quicker.

• 1:05:00Speaker 00

  Maybe there, there was, I will say that throughout the ancient world, it was not uncommon for, during the initiation rites for, and you still find it within some traditions to this day, the new initiate is dressed in white linen as a, you know, is, is divested of all their earthly clothes, everything that just makes them distinct and. And gives them identity in the world. They're they're divested of all of that. And any medals that they have on them and they're they're made to put on a white linen

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  for initiation and that's that's common. And to me, it makes more sense. That's what Jesus was doing with that small child is I don't think he was, you know, there's been all kinds of weird.

• 1:05:55Danny Jones?

  Because what he said was I'm not when the cops came, he said, I'm not a lay state. I'm not a lay state.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:06:00Danny Jones?

  And he says lay states at that point in time in history meant a child.

• 1:06:04Speaker 00

  Right, right, right, right. Exactly.

• 1:06:06Danny Jones?

  That's what Caesar said.

• 1:06:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:06:07Danny Jones?

  When Caesar was captured, he goes the lay state, the lay states that he crucified.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Of course, yeah, I mean, you see a half naked kid, you know, in a cave with an adult. I mean, of course, he's gonna look like a pet. You know what I mean? So but it was probably an initiation, right? I mean, and I'm sure it was. And there's a number of things within the New Testament which point to Jesus, or at least

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  at least whether he did this or not, or whether the the early Christians grafted it on to the Bible to make it seem this way. I mean, we don't know, right? But but seems to suggest that Jesus was was passing on an Egyptian initiation tradition. And I'll give you an example of this.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  The Lord's Prayer that everyone who goes to church knows about our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, to give us this day our daily bread, you know, that that whole thing.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  That originally comes from the papyrus of Ani in ancient Egypt, and it was a prayer to Amun, the god Amun. And it began, "Amun, Amun, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as above, so below. Give us this day our daily bread." It's the same thing, almost word for word. And then it ends with "Amun", which of course is where we get the word "Amen" from. So, "Amun" in ancient Egyptian means "the hidden one", and it represented the hidden power.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  And this is why, in the New Testament, when Jesus gives this prayer, you know, first of all, the disciples go to him and they say, "Jesus, how should we pray?" And he says, "Well, first of all, don't go to church and be seen praying like a hypocrite." That's what he says. They never tell, they never quote that part in church, right?

• 1:08:27Danny Jones?

  Right, right, yeah, they left that part out.

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  Right. He says, "Instead, find a hidden place in your home, like a closet. Go in there and give this prayer." And then he gives the Lord's Prayer. So he's telling the disciples to become the hidden one, to go hide in a closet somewhere in their home and give this prayer, which literally "Amun" is the prayer to Amun, which literally means "the hidden one." So, this is just one example of many in the New Testament where early Christianity or Jesus himself was quite literally borrowing from

• 1:09:08Speaker 00

  this Egyptian tradition and was trying to preserve it. And I mean, and other examples are, you know, the gold frankincense and myrrh that Jesus received as a baby. Those are what every pharaoh is buried with.

• 1:09:26Danny Jones?

  Gold, frankincense and myrrh?

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah. It's, and they all had, they all had symbolic meanings to themselves, but the fact that

• 1:09:36Speaker 00

  You know, the three wise men were probably the three stars of Orion's Belt, which pointed to where the sun rose on December 25th. And those three stars of Orion's Belt, Orion itself was associated with the god Osiris.

• 1:09:55Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  And, uh, and was, uh, and he was the one that, uh, there was the same story of him being born in a cave surrounded by animals. Uh, he, he was presented gold frankincense and myrrh.

• 1:10:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  You know, I mean, this was all ancient Egyptian stuff that, uh, they then got grafted onto the New Testament by clearly the people who did it were trying to perpetuate that Egyptian tradition.

• 1:10:26Danny Jones?

  There was also, there was something I was reading this morning. Steve, I sent you a link to this, um, this passage, or it was some, it was a write-up. It was called the Questions of Mary. Are you familiar with this? The Questions of Mary?

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  No, but, uh, I know Mary's-

• 1:10:42Danny Jones?

  That's one of those links I text you.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  Mary is another, uh, that's a common Egyptian name that you find.

• 1:10:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Oh, this is it. The Lost Greater Questions of Mary. Can you zoom in on this a little bit? Um, yeah, this is crazy. Um, so it says, this is Bart Arman's podcast, or not podcast, his website, it was a blog article on there where he's writing about, um, this, this, uh, this thing that happened with Jesus and Mary. He said, "One of the greatest question, one of the great questions for scholars is whether such book ever really did exist, and it's mentioned only once in ancient literature in a highly charged polemical context by Epiphanius of Salamis, a Christian heresy,

• 1:11:33Danny Jones?

  heresy hunter who was prone to exaggeration and fabrication, who was incautious at best in his attacks against heretical sex in his book, The Panarion, um, Medicine Chest. Uh, in it, Epiphanius supplies the antidotes for the snake bites of heresy." Um, wait, is this the one I said? Scroll down. There was, um, keep going.

• 1:12:07Danny Jones?

  Okay, here we go. For the Gnostic Philibonites, this text and their corresponding rituals related to their doctrine doctrinal views that humans represent divine sparks entrapped in human bodies which need to escape. Human procreation perpetuates the state of entrapment by providing an endless supply of bodies as prisons for the sparks of the divine. The solution to the problem then was to engage in non-procreative sex as shown to Mary Magdalene by the Savior Himself. One odd night on a mountaintop, and here's the quotation for the text from Epiphanius. The first sentence, obviously, is Epiphanius Himself explaining what the book is.

• 1:12:50Danny Jones?

  Which is called, okay, so the book is called The Greater Questions of Mary. They indicate that Jesus gave a revelation to Mary, taking her to the mountain as He prayed, and then extracted a woman from His side and began having sexual intercourse with her. Then He gathered His seed in His hand, explaining that this is what we must do in order to live. When Mary became disturbed and fell on the ground, He again raised her and said to her, "Why do you doubt you of little faith?"

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:13:20Danny Jones?

  Somehow, I think this one never had much of a chance of getting into the New Testament.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, you know, there were-

• 1:13:29Danny Jones?

  He was kind of a perv, man.

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, there were, there were a lot of Gnostic and apocryphal texts, you know, that suggest all kinds of interesting things with Jesus and Mary and others. I mean, some people believe, you know, I happen to be under the opinion that, and Timothy Freak covers this quite, quite well in his books, The Jesus Mysteries, and also Jesus and the Goddess.

• 1:13:57Danny Jones?

  Timothy Freak?

• 1:13:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Timothy Freak and Peter Gandy, they've done, they did a number of good books. But, but one of the, the hypothesis is related to Apostle Paul, that, you know, Paul, for the most part, he has these, these, these writings where-

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  He's speaking like a Gnostic, like he experiences Christ as a vision of light on the road to Damascus, right? Which is a very Gnostic thing, and it said he was taken up to the third heaven. Well, most people are like, know what heaven is, but what's the third heaven? And we know that Damascus was actually a code word used by the Essenes for their base in Qumran. And so it may suggest that Paul was an Essene, and that the third heaven, there were three levels of initiation or baptism that was designed to cleanse

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  the person of all the bad stuff that they had attached to them as they incarnated into this world. So there's a baptism by water, there's a baptism by air, and then a baptism by fire. And we find this going back way back into the ancient world. I mean, going back to Noah's Ark, you know, in the story of Noah's Ark, grafted onto that story, you have the earth obsessed with its physical senses. Along comes a flood, water. Then Noah lets birds go into the air, air. And then he lands on Mount Ararat, makes a burnt sacrifice to God, fire.

• 1:15:49Speaker 00

  Right? So those are the three stages of purification, if you will, which is done in the alchemical process. And it's, but it was also used in the baptismal rites and the initiation rites in the ancient world. So, but with Paul, so the third heaven would be that he had gone through those three different purifications, right?

• 1:16:17Speaker 00

  Well, along comes a bishop known as Aranius, who wrote a book called Against the Heresies, much later, where he was trying to condemn Gnosticism. And lo and behold, all of a sudden, at the same time, they discovered these new letters of Paul, where Paul is condemning Gnosticism. And, and the suggestion is that the church, in particular, Aranius, created these letters of Paul specifically to justify suppressing Gnosticism, which was a rival perspective of Christianity than what the Roman Church was setting up at the time.

• 1:17:00Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  And hence why Paul seems like this, uh...

• 1:17:06Danny Jones?

  Now, Paul's gospel was the closest one to Christ?

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  Well, it's, it's, you know, supposedly, uh, Paul never actually knew Jesus, right? When he was alive.

• 1:17:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  And yet, the, the entire canon of the Roman Church was largely based off of Paul.

• 1:17:25Danny Jones?

  What, what was the first, what was the closest gospel to Jesus? The first, like, the first one published?

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  Uh, well, they say it's Matthew. They don't, they don't really know for sure. I mean, there's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the standard gospels. And, uh, you know, you have, uh, some of them are kind of similar. And then you have John, which is like totally out there and somewhat Gnostic in itself.

• 1:17:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  Um, but, uh...

• 1:17:55Danny Jones?

  The closest one I thought was like 20 years after he died.

• 1:17:59Speaker 00

  Well, well, yeah, I mean, they, they, they have found fragments, uh, the Natchamundi fragments and the Dead Sea Scrolls. And all of these texts seem to, to point to source texts that, uh, yeah, were within a hundred years of after Jesus supposedly lived.

• 1:18:26Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  But we don't know for sure. I mean, it's a guess.

• 1:18:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 00

  You know, everyone's speculating. And, you know.

• 1:18:38Danny Jones?

  There's a, there's a bunch of, I had a guy in here who's been studying the Dead Sea Scroll fragments his whole life.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Danny Jones?

  And apparently, the, there's a huge, like, black market for people trying to buy the fragments, and a ton of them are fake. And he actually discovered a bunch of the fakes.

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  I believe it. I believe it. There's also been some that, you know, they haven't released them all, you know, the ones that they found, they kind of gradually release them.

• 1:19:05Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:06Speaker 00

  And part of that's because, and every once in a while, they get leaked. And as they come out, they, part of the reason why they don't release them is because they contradict modern theology. I mean, there's some great astrological information on, on some of them, you know, for example, you know?

• 1:19:28Danny Jones?

  Right. You know, another thing, and then they were mostly in Hebrew. I think there was a very small percentage of them that were in Greek.

• 1:19:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:19:35Danny Jones?

  And maybe some Aramaic. And the interesting thing about the Hebrew, like going back to what we were talking about with the Septuagint being the original written in Greek.

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:19:45Danny Jones?

  Is that there was so much more Greek literature around, in the Library of Alexandria, like everywhere was Greek. There's, there's literally, I mean, we had the Dead Sea Scrolls during that time period that's in Hebrew.

• 1:19:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:19:57Danny Jones?

  There's nothing else in Hebrew.

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:19:59Danny Jones?

  That's it.

• 1:19:59Speaker 00

  Right. That's, that's right. And then the, the Natchamundi, some of those texts, I mean, they have some New Testament types of fragments, but they also have Hermetic texts, you know, writings of Hermes that were right in there with them too, which, which suggests that the, this sect that was preserving this stuff was, they saw them as compatible. And, and that's a whole nother can of worms that no one likes to talk about, you know? But the Hermetic texts were.

• 1:20:32Danny Jones?

  How so? Why is it, why don't people like to talk about it?

• 1:20:34Speaker 00

  Um.

• 1:20:36Danny Jones?

  I think I'm missing something.

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  Because, because Hermeticism was a pagan form of Gnosticism.

• 1:20:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  And it was, you know, it was centered around Hermes, the Greek god Hermes.

• 1:20:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 00

  And the.

• 1:20:52Danny Jones?

  What was the, what was the deal with Hermes again?

• 1:20:54Speaker 00

  Well, Hermes was, you know, he was the, the, he was kind of the, he was, he was deemed to be the, the inventor of the word. He created language. He was the messenger amongst the gods. He was the,

• 1:21:07Speaker 00

  uh, he did a lot of works associated with talismans, how to bring energies from the stars down, uh, into our, and capture them in, in talismans here on planet. Um, he did, uh, he was, he was the inventor of alchemy. Um, and he was, uh,

• 1:21:29Speaker 00

  in, in some ways, the hermetic texts were, were, could be read in almost a neo-platonic,

• 1:21:37Speaker 00

  uh, way, uh, suggesting that, uh,

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  all reality, you know, well, one of the things that the hermetic texts say is that, uh, all reality that we're perceiving is just mind stuff. It's the mind of the creator. Like we're living in the mind of the creator. And we're this, what this matrix that we're in is, is in the mind of the creator. And it seems solid and real to us, but just as, uh, the creator's thoughts can change, so can matter change.

• 1:22:13Danny Jones?

  Greeks were bombed on drugs, dude.

• 1:22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's, it's, it's, it's right in line with what people like Maxwell Plank and Schrodinger and, and the other physicists of the early 20th century were saying too.

• 1:22:25Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  This is all made up of mind stuff.

• 1:22:27Danny Jones?

  No, yeah, you're right about that.

• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  You know, so it's just the Greeks were, the Hermetics were saying it thousands of years ago.

• 1:22:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:22:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:22:37Danny Jones?

  It's amazing that some of like the

• 1:22:41Danny Jones?

  most mind bending philosoph, you know, philosophical ideas came out of that period of time.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:22:49Danny Jones?

  From the Greeks, you know, when they were, we, you know, that we had the, the hallucinian mysteries. All these pagan cults, these drug cults. And at the same time, you just have this explosion of intellect in antiquity.

• 1:23:02Speaker 00

  Well, and you have to remember too, the root of all that was, was really was Egypt. I mean, all those Greek philosophers were studying in Egypt, you know, before they started doing their stuff. I mean, Pythagoras, I think, spent something like 20 years there in Egypt. And in fact, his name, Pythagoras, probably comes from Tagore Ross, which was Ta was the the keeper of the word of creation. And Go Ross just meant, uh, it meant like the word goes forth. That's what it means, or the word of power goes forth. That's what his name would have meant in ancient Egyptian.

• 1:23:43Speaker 00

  And, uh, uh, and he's the one who coined the term philosophy. You know, the, the, the, literally the word philosophy comes from Pythagoras and comes from, uh, Philo, which is to love and Sophia, which is wisdom.

• 1:24:01Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:24:02Speaker 00

  So, and then the Gnostics later took that, that same concept of Sophia as the,

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  uh, the, as a, a symbol of the human soul that falls down to this earth, gets totally amassed in matter, um, gets lost in it. And then has to find its way out of it and eventually marry the Christos, the universal consciousness. And that's what the mystery of the bride chamber really represented. Some would say in, in the New Testament stuff.

• 1:24:42Danny Jones?

  You know, it's interesting how, um,

• 1:24:46Danny Jones?

  The, the idea of applying a drug to your eyes being, uh, heard the word Hrio or Christos. And then if you look at like the Bhagavad Gita and the story of where they put, she puts the drug in her eyes.

• 1:24:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:00Danny Jones?

  And like, has all these visions. It's like, there's, there's lots of parallels to that, too.

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  For sure. Well, I think there was, uh, I think there was a lot of Eastern, uh, ideas from the Vedic texts that, that, I mean, the, the, India and Egypt were like two sides of the same coin. Ancient, ancient India and ancient Egypt. They, they were, they were importing philosophy back and forth from each other. And we see this with, uh,

• 1:25:33Speaker 00

  in the Indian traditions, you know, the symbols of the serpent going up the spinal column. Uh, you, you find that same thing in ancient Egypt. I mean, there's a reason why on King Tut's, King Tutankhamun's crown, you see the serpent coming out of his third eye.

• 1:25:51Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:25:52Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:25:53Speaker 00

  Which, uh, in, uh, Aramaic, the brow was called the Nazar. And that's really where the word Nazarene probably comes from.

• 1:26:03Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  It has nothing to do with the town of Nazareth. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it had to do with that third eye, you know, and, and those ideas were, uh, or the idea that the whole chakra system of, uh, you know, the seven chakra. You find that in, um,

• 1:26:26Speaker 00

  uh, you find that in ancient Egypt as well.

• 1:26:29Danny Jones?

  What is the chakra?

• 1:26:30Speaker 00

  The chakra?

• 1:26:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:31Speaker 00

  The seven chakra that go up the spinal column.

• 1:26:34Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:26:34Speaker 00

  And, uh, there's seven like psychic centers. And, uh, with the, with the third eye being the sixth and the seventh being the, the crown chakra. And this is really what, um, from a Templar perspective, this is really what the, uh, what Revelations is talking about. It, it, the seven seals that need to be opened. And with the opening of each seal, our old perception of the world dies off and our new perception opens up.

• 1:27:05Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:27:06Speaker 00

  And the, uh, if you take the, the first six chakra.

• 1:27:12Speaker 00

  Uh, each chakra has certain number of petals on it. And the first six chakra have a total of one hundred and forty-four petals. And then the, the, the crown chakra is the thousand petal chakra. And it's the powerhouse for the other six. So if you times the, the, the, the crown chakra to the, uh, the other hundred and forty-four, you get a hundred and forty-four thousand, which is in Revelations, it says a hundred and forty-four thousand are saved after, uh, the seven seals are opened. This is, this is what it's really alluding to. And, uh, these ideas were, were, uh,

• 1:27:57Speaker 00

  you find it in the Vedic tradition, but you also find it in the Egyptian. And, uh, you know, you find it immersed within the New Testament as well. So.

• 1:28:07Danny Jones?

  What is this, Steve? These are the.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, that's what he was talking about.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  This is a chakra and I guess different levels. And if you add them all up, it's one forty-four.

• 1:28:17Speaker 00

  Whoa. And then the, uh, and then above, and by the way, above the crown chakra was known as the eighth sphere, which was known as the agawad in the Gnostic tradition. And this was the, um, uh, this was symbolically represented, uh, by the number eight, eight, eight, or by eight-sided structures. And, uh, if you take the name Jesus in Greek, in Greek, every letter corresponds to a number. So if you, if you, if you replace the, the letter for its number equivalent

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  in the name Jesus in Greek, it adds up to eight hundred and eighty-eight. So it's actually, his name itself is alluding to the agawad, the, uh, the eighth sphere above the, above the seven seals.

• 1:29:13Danny Jones?

  Interesting. And that's the word Christ or Jesus?

• 1:29:16Speaker 00

  The word Jesus.

• 1:29:16Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 1:29:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, Jesus in Greek. Yeah, if you, if you look up, uh, if you look up, uh, Greek gamatria, Jesus. I'm sure you can, you can find the, the breakdown of the, the letters and how the numbers they correspond to, but.

• 1:29:34Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:29:37Danny Jones?

  The gamatria of the Greek name for Jesus is a trinity of eights, which represents rebirth, regeneration, and salvation. The Greek name for Jesus is, okay, I can't read that. That's Greek, which is abbreviated as I H S J H S I H C I H E. The ancient scribes and copyists of the New Testament used the abbreviated I E. to refer to Jesus in Greek, which gave the name special sanctity.

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so, yeah, there's, there's all these number codes, you know, that are within both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Because Hebrew is the same way. It's, it's alphanumeric. So every letter in Hebrew also corresponds to a number. Like so, Aleph, the first letter of the, if Hebrew is equated with the number one, Bet or B is equated with the number two, you know, and so on and so forth. So, um, yeah, it's pretty interesting.

• 1:30:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's super interesting.

• 1:30:45Speaker 00

  But this is all stuff that the Templars have been studying for the last thousand years.

• 1:30:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:49Speaker 00

  I mean, they, they started as they, as they started digging, as they went into Jerusalem in 10 by 1118, they were given property in, in an area that was known as King Solomon's Stables, which was right near the, the Temple Mount, where the Dome of the Rock is.

• 1:31:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  And they, they started digging and doing archaeological work. And even though their, their stated mission was to protect pilgrims coming into the Holy Land, which they did, but really what they were doing was archaeological work. They were, they were digging. They were digging all kinds of tunnels under the Temple Mount. And they were finding. Texts and they were finding artifacts and they were bringing this stuff. They were confiscating this stuff to protect it, to keep it from falling into the hands of the other crusaders, to keep it from falling into the hand of the invading Muslims.

• 1:31:58Speaker 00

  And, and then with this, they gained knowledge of it going back into Egypt. And so then they went into Egypt and started doing archaeological work there. And, and that's really what they were doing. They were, they were, they were finding texts that, that didn't fit in the standard biblical canon at the time, which was giving him a different perspective.

• 1:32:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:28Speaker 00

  And they were meeting with groups like, like the Cops of, of Egypt, you know, that were practicing a totally separate form of Christianity than the people in Europe were. And, and they met with groups like the Druze, which were, which were Gnostics that, that celebrated a number of different prophets, you know, other than what you found just within Christianity and including they venerated Pythagoras and Hermes. And so they learned Pythagorean doctrines and were able to gain Pythagorean knowledge

• 1:33:11Speaker 00

  from them and hermetic doctrines from them and hermetic understanding. They met with the Sibians who were, were passing on a tradition, some would argue going way back to ancient Egypt, related to, to studying the stars and aligning them with monuments. And so they picked up all this knowledge and this is what they brought back to Europe. And, and when they started building their cathedrals, like the cathedrals of Notre Dame.

• 1:33:49Speaker 00

  They tried to incorporate this knowledge.

• 1:33:52Danny Jones?

  They built the cathedral of Notre Dame?

• 1:33:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, they they're the ones who started building all those cathedrals. The Templars did. And it was with the money that they had amassed in the Holy Land.

• 1:34:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  And the knowledge that they had.

• 1:34:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I was always, my understanding of the Templars was that they were somehow tied into banking in Switzerland.

• 1:34:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, they did do that, too. That was so. After they were suppressed, one of the places they fled to was Switzerland. And they helped to to.

• 1:34:25Speaker 00

  Fight to to create Switzerland, basically. And and so. The Swiss banks came out of that. It was probably the Swiss banks came out.

• 1:34:37Danny Jones?

  And I thought, like, my understanding also was that the Inquisition on the Templars, when they, when the. Was the Pope or the King that came after them?

• 1:34:45Speaker 00

  Both.

• 1:34:46Danny Jones?

  Because they wanted their money, basically.

• 1:34:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, the King.

• 1:34:49Danny Jones?

  Was like the like the whole, the whole claim of what they were doing, they didn't really care about that. They just needed an excuse to take their money.

• 1:34:55Speaker 00

  Right, basically, yeah. So like, well, there were two things that were going on. Philip the Fair of France, he was, on the one hand, he wanted to become. Rex Bellator, which was the war king. And he. He needed money to do that, and he owed the Templars a lot of money. He had taken loans from the Templar Order. And so in order to deal with his debts and then also try to gain money. He had the Templar Order suppressed. At the same time, Pope Clement V. Who was Pope at the time and who arguably was put on. The Popol Throne by Philip. The Fair of France.

• 1:35:42Speaker 00

  He Philip the Farid, he, he was trying to control the papacy and he, he had some control over it, but Pope Clement the fifth, he wanted the Templar Order to merge with the Knights, the Knights Hospitallier, which were a rival order at the time to the Templars. And Jack de Molay, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order, he didn't want to do it. He was like, no, we're a totally different thing than the Knights Hospitallier. We're not going to do it. But when the Templar Order was suppressed, most of their properties ended up going to the Knights Hospitallier. The Knights Hospitallier later became the

• 1:36:27Speaker 00

  Knights of Malta. And so, um, in many places in Europe, if you go and you find an old Knights of Malta building or a building that's being controlled by the Knights of Malta, in many cases, that was originally a Templar temple.

• 1:36:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:45Speaker 00

  That they, uh, they had acquired during that, that whole process.

• 1:36:51Danny Jones?

  And there was a, so there was a parchment that is found, which is a supposedly the original source of this sort of trial that went on with the Knights Templar.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  The Chinon parchment.

• 1:37:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's what it was, the Chinon parchment.

• 1:37:05Speaker 00

  I think that's a forgery.

• 1:37:07Danny Jones?

  Weird stuff in there, man. They were saying that like during the initiations, like the Templars, they had to denounce Jesus and then make out with each other.

• 1:37:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think that was a later forgery. Um, and the reason why I say that is because, uh, Napoleon had actually raided the, the Vatican archives, um, on what, on his campaign, with his Egypt campaign, actually. He, he stopped it in Italy, to Rome. He raided the Vatican archives. He brought everything back to, to Paris. He was specifically looking for Templar documents and he never found that document.

• 1:37:55Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Why was he looking for Templar documents?

• 1:37:57Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:38:01Speaker 00

  Napoleon was the grandson of the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie. He was the Scottish king in exile.

• 1:38:11Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:38:12Speaker 00

  And who was a Templar. And so he had an interest in Templarism because of that. I mean, that's not, that's not like widely known, but he was Bonnie Prince Charlie's illegitimate grandson, which is why his name Bonaparte just means basically of good blood. And he always said he was royalty, but he never presented anything to back it up. And this is also why he married a Merovingian princess, Princess Josephine.

• 1:38:50Speaker 00

  The Merovingians, of course, was the royal line of France. And there was some speculation that they had, they were passing on an Atlantean tradition of which Jesus and Mary Magdalene had been a part of and their bloodline had been a part of. And that, uh, so Napoleon wanted to be married into that. Add that to the fact that Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Paloprat, who was the grand master of the Templar Order at the time.

• 1:39:29Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:39:30Speaker 00

  And, uh, and, uh, he had, uh, encouraged Napoleon to go find these artifacts and to, to trace down these, these root, this root information. So when, when Napoleon went to the Vatican and raided the archives, I mean, he, he set up a whole series of scholars,

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  specifically to look for Templar artifacts and they never found the chino on parchment.

• 1:40:07Danny Jones?

  So he, it wasn't, it was, he had a whole like army of people that were going through all the archives?

• 1:40:12Speaker 00

  Yep. Yeah. They brought them back to Saint Sulpice in France, in Paris and, uh,

• 1:40:19Speaker 00

  In fact, one of the people who was in charge of that was

• 1:40:21Danny Jones?

  What, what year was this?

• 1:40:23Speaker 00

  Oh, I, I

• 1:40:25Danny Jones?

  Can you find it?

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  I don't know off the top of my head.

• 1:40:27Danny Jones?

  Is this like not like information that you can find on the internet?

• 1:40:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, you should be able to find it. You know, one of the people that he had going through those archives was actually

• 1:40:39Speaker 00

  Alfonso Constance, better known as Eliphus Levi, who was a

• 1:40:46Speaker 00

  he was a priest in, in, in Paris, who was known for writing

• 1:40:57Speaker 00

  very esoteric things, including a book on transcendental magic. And he, he was later in Freemasonry, Albert Pike, who was considered really the, the philosophical father of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. When he wrote his book, Morals and Dogma, 80% of that book is word for word copied from Eliphus Levi, which is kind of interesting.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  But this was, the fact that they were going through these archives, they were finding all kinds of stuff on the Templars and they never found the Chinon parchment. And it wasn't until after Dan Brown's books came out

• 1:41:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:50Speaker 00

  that all of a sudden the church released this new document that they had found that had just happened to be in their archives for the last 700 years without them noticing it. It was a little weird, you know? But it seems to suggest that the Chinon parchment is probably a forgery.

• 1:42:07Danny Jones?

  So you think it was just there to destroy the credibility and make the, make the, the Templars look like sickos?

• 1:42:13Speaker 00

  Well, what it did is it, it, it, it,

• 1:42:19Speaker 00

  I mean, back then, it probably, they probably, they probably wouldn't have been that. The, the big thing about the Chinon parchment is it suggested that Uh, that the church wasn't behind the persecutions. Basically, it gave the, it gave the, it gave the, um, impression that the church had pardoned the Templars. And that

• 1:42:44Danny Jones?

  The parchment, the, the Chinon did?

• 1:42:46Speaker 00

  The Chinon parchment, yeah, and that, uh, and that the, then the, um, and then Philip the Fair persecuted them anyways and burnt them at the stake anyways. So, but it, it allows the, the church to wash their hands of it and say, well, we, we pardoned the Templars. Cause see, here's this document that just showed up that says we did, you know?

• 1:43:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there was like stuff in there saying they had to denounce Jesus. They had to spit on a cross.

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:43:13Danny Jones?

  And then, um, they like, they had to abstain from any intercourse with women. None of that's real?

• 1:43:19Speaker 00

  No, and then there was obscene kisses on the buttocks.

• 1:43:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they kissed their butts and their navels and like kiss the, kiss each other on the mouth and stuff.

• 1:43:28Speaker 00

  There was a, there was a, there was a, now, there are initiation, I will tell you, there are initiation rites within the Templar Order.

• 1:43:39Danny Jones?

  This is the kind of shit you gotta do at FSU when you're like being like hazed.

• 1:43:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, right, right. I mean, in our degrees, there are some things that are similar to that, but it's not, it's, it's highly distorted. No, no, no. Like there's a, there's a kiss on the back of the neck and you'll find this in, uh, Sufi traditions as well. And it's, uh, this area of the back of the neck is, um, was associated with doth on the kabbalistic tree. And it was a, um, this area is, uh, there's a, there's a ganglia here in the, uh, spinal column where the nerves go to both the pineal gland or the third eye, and to the radial nerve and, and which goes to these two fingers and the thumb.

• 1:44:25Speaker 00

  This is why you always see Jesus doing this, right? And it's, uh, and it's, it's designed to awaken that, that area in the person. Uh, there's, there's also things where, um,

• 1:44:39Danny Jones?

  Why, why do you think they said they had to denounce Jesus?

• 1:44:43Speaker 00

  Uh, the, the, the, the theory is that they were

• 1:44:51Speaker 00

  They were preparing them for if they got caught by Muslims during the Crusades, where they would be tortured and they would have to do those things in order to survive. That's the, that's the mundane theory behind it.

• 1:45:12Speaker 00

  I don't think there was ever a denouncing of Jesus, but there was a denouncing of the cross because according to Templar document, well, documents that were found and, and, uh, in the tradition, there was a belief that Jesus actually survived the crucifixion and that,

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  and that, uh, it's abhorrent to worship the cross, this implement of torture, right?

• 1:45:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:41Speaker 00

  And that

• 1:45:42Danny Jones?

  That makes sense.

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  What we should really be worshiping is they saw Jesus as a brother and they saw him as a exemplar. And this is the big difference between what Templars have taught versus what the churches taught. Templars have always taught that Jesus was the great exemplar, not that he was the great Savior.

• 1:46:05Danny Jones?

  So they didn't view him as like a divine?

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  No, they, they, they, they saw him as divine, but no more divine than any of us and that we all have the ability to do the things that Jesus did. In fact, uh, even Jesus said that. He said, verily, verily, I say unto you, these miracles you see me perform, ye shall do also, and those even greater than these. Right? So he's saying anybody

• 1:46:35Speaker 00

  has the power to do these things through the universal consciousness, through the Christos. So Templars viewed Jesus as, when Jesus spoke as the Christ, he was speaking as the universal consciousness and that

• 1:46:56Speaker 00

  Anybody has the ability to access that universal consciousness and have that universal consciousness work through them and be able to do the same things Jesus did.

• 1:47:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:09Speaker 00

  But it takes a certain amount of devotion and, and understanding and, and internal work, you know, before you could get there.

• 1:47:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:19Speaker 00

  But, um, but the, but the, but Templars saw, used Jesus as an exemplar. Like he was telling, he was showing us the way of how we can be. And, um, and the only salvation comes from us personally attaining that gnosis, that divine knowledge. Uh, because once you attain that knowledge, you really know who you are, you know where you came from, you know where you're going and you, you understand the bigger order of things. So you know, there is no death. Right?

• 1:47:56Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:47:57Speaker 00

  Which is a profound statement, you know, and, and the Templars performed initiation rites and they still do, that are designed to help you understand that you, who you are is not just your physical body and that there's a part of you that survives your physical body. There's a part of you that can live outside of your physical body and that, uh, you have this whole other side to yourself that largely remains dormant in people till they're able to wake up.

• 1:48:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:35Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:48:35Danny Jones?

  Man, this sounds a lot like they were doing drugs.

• 1:48:38Speaker 00

  Well, I think drugs were used as a, as a form of initiation. I mean, uh, because especially on the earth level, because again, we talk about earth, water, air and fire. Earth is our physical forms we're all born into, right? Everybody knows it and this is where people get attached to it, you know, they, they look for titillations and stuff.

• 1:49:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:07Speaker 00

  But when a drug was given to you on that earth level.

• 1:49:12Speaker 00

  It opened your perception to realizing, wait, there might be more going on here.

• 1:49:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Speaker 00

  Than what I think.

• 1:49:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I mean, that's this experience you get when you do psychedelics. Have you ever done psychedelics?

• 1:49:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And, and yeah, you begin to, you begin to see patterns.

• 1:49:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Speaker 00

  That might be behind reality and, and everything else. And so that's the, that's the, that's the baptism by earth, right? It's really using these drugs to open your perception to something.

• 1:49:41Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:42Speaker 00

  The next level, which was associated with water, had to do with the emotions and learning to stabilize your emotions. And use your emotions as an energy to, to, um, for you to do things as opposed to drowning in them.

• 1:50:00Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:00Speaker 00

  Right? I mean, this is the real symbolic meaning behind walking on water, right? You stabilize your emotions so that you can walk on them as opposed to drowning in them.

• 1:50:12Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:13Speaker 00

  Right? So that was a stage. Some would say that was learning to subdue your passions. Not get rid of your passions, but use your passions as an energy to, to propel you to get things done, right?

• 1:50:27Danny Jones?

  I mean, what else could be responsible for the architecture of something like Notre Dame? I mean, that is just astonishing.

• 1:50:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:50:35Danny Jones?

  Like, just, I mean, the patterns, the, the symmetry, the-

• 1:50:39Speaker 00

  Well, and the symbology that's in it too. I mean, uh, mo- most people don't realize that there's, yes, there's depictions of the Bible all throughout it, but there is also astrological information in there. There's, there's sacred geometry in there.

• 1:50:54Danny Jones?

  Can you pull up images of Notre Dame, Steve?

• 1:50:56Speaker 00

  There's, uh, there's alchemical imagery in there. The, the alchemical, in fact, the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral of Paris. If you go to the very front doors, there's these, uh, there's these medallions that are right at, at, at head level. Uh, as you're going in the doors, surrounding the doors. And, uh, those medallions actually, they actually depict every stage of the alchemical process. Cause they were trying to preserve that information.

• 1:51:31Danny Jones?

  Go to the interior image on the left.

• 1:51:37Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 1:51:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, incredible, right? And it's designed all acoustically too. So like, you know, a priest could be at the front shouting out whatever and it'll just echo through the through the whole building. So people can hear it, you know, I mean.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  What wasn't this building rebuilt though, after World War II?

• 1:51:58Speaker 00

  Well, it's just rebuilt recently.

• 1:51:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, recently, right?

• 1:52:00Speaker 00

  It's opening, I think this week.

• 1:52:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What happened to it again? Burned down?

• 1:52:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, caught on fire. I think it was, uh, well, that's another thing. I think don't want to talk about conspiracies. I think that I think the, the church set it on fire.

• 1:52:15Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, because they're looking for artifacts and the only way they could do the archaeological digging in there is to have the place closed down for a while.

• 1:52:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:28Speaker 00

  It's interesting.

• 1:52:29Danny Jones?

  They need an excuse.

• 1:52:30Speaker 00

  They need, yeah, there was, there's a number of cathedrals that were all set on fire around the same time, including, uh, uh, St. Solpas. Uh, and but

• 1:52:43Speaker 00

  the same hour that Notre Dame of Paris was set on fire. Uh, the former headquarters at King Solomon's Stables in Jerusalem, where the Templar Order had their headquarters was also set on fire.

• 1:52:58Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:52:59Speaker 00

  Same hour. That's weird coincidence.

• 1:53:05Speaker 00

  I think, I think the church is looking for artifacts.

• 1:53:08Danny Jones?

  What kind of artifacts?

• 1:53:09Speaker 00

  Uh, they're looking for things that they think might be buried in the church that the, the Templar Order may have left there.

• 1:53:19Speaker 00

  You know, tho- those cathedrals, the cathedrals of Notre Dame, and it's not just, it's not just Notre Dame of Paris, but it's, uh, all the other cathedrals in the area, including Shock Cathedral and others. If you view them from the air, they're laid out in the constellation of Virgo.

• 1:53:41Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:53:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. So they mimic the, the constellation of Virgo in the heavens on the ground. And of course Virgo is the Virgin, right? Just like Notre Dame was Our Lady, the Virgin Mary, right? But most people don't think about, so, so each one of those cathedrals are built like a human body in form.

• 1:54:04Speaker 00

  And the Templars did this. They, they, they learned of this in Egypt. They were studying the temples in Egypt. You go to, uh, you go to Karnak and Luxor, for example. Uh, it's all, it's all built out like a human body in form. And, uh,

• 1:54:20Danny Jones?

  How so? How like a human body?

• 1:54:22Speaker 00

  Well, like, uh, uh, well, if you, if you view it from the air, the, uh, the, the Luxor in particular, the whole, the whole thing is built like a, each part of it is like a human body in form. In fact, there's a Schwalder de Lubitz, who was, uh, he's the one who first proposed that the Sphinx was, uh,

• 1:54:49Danny Jones?

  You're typing aerial views, do you?

• 1:54:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, aerial, or, or look up, uh, type in Temple of Man by de Lubitz. You'll see, uh, you'll see, you'll see a depiction of Luxor and you'll see, uh, the human body imposed over it. Yeah. So, uh, so it's all built so that like the bottom part is where the feet are and the, and the top part is where the head is.

• 1:55:19Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, it kinda does look like that, doesn't it?

• 1:55:22Speaker 00

  Exactly. So, so the, the, uh, the Templars, they, they started figuring this out. So when they built the Notre Dame Cathedral, Our Lady, it's built like a human body in form. So like the, the baptismal font at the area of the belly button, the choir speaks from the area of the lungs, the priest is at the area of the heart, and then the sacrament is kept at the area of the third eye and the head.

• 1:55:49Danny Jones?

  The sacrament?

• 1:55:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's where the, uh, like the, uh, the, the wine and the wafers are kept, right?

• 1:55:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:55:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, for the, for the, for communion. So, uh, but then as you leave the church, you go through the arch, which is the birth canal. So if Notre Dame is Our Lady, which is Mary, the Virgin Mary, and you're being born from it, what does that make you?

• 1:56:18Speaker 00

  Makes you the Christ.

• 1:56:20Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:56:21Speaker 00

  Right? Totally Gnostic idea, right? Totally heretical, but that's how the Templars set it up. And even Vatican City, if you look at Vatican City from the air, it's built, it's built like a human body in, in, in, uh, in, uh,

• 1:56:46Speaker 00

  form too. In fact, I have a, I have a good picture of that.

• 1:56:50Danny Jones?

  Have you ever been to the Vatican?

• 1:56:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. But, uh, you know, the, the, the cathedrals were built to be these human bodies in form too. Um, you know, specifically because it has that symbolic meaning of that, the as above, so below.

• 1:57:10Speaker 00

  But, uh,

• 1:57:11Danny Jones?

  what's the story with the Holy Grail?

• 1:57:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yes, that's a good question. So originally the word Grail comes from ancient Sumer and it was Graal, G R A dot A L. And it, what it, what it alluded to, that was the word for the alchemical science in ancient Egypt.

• 1:57:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:57:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, here it is.

• 1:57:37Speaker 00

  Yes, on the right there, you can see Vatican City.

• 1:57:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, kinda.

• 1:57:41Speaker 00

  See the legs and the belly and the,

• 1:57:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:44Speaker 00

  going up into,

• 1:57:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, kinda.

• 1:57:46Speaker 00

  the head. Yeah.

• 1:57:48Danny Jones?

  So, okay, I see what you're saying. Now with the pregnant belly in the middle.

• 1:57:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:57:52Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:57:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. So all, all of these, all of these, uh, ancient, these temples were built with the, this, this as above, so below relationship between the, the person and, and the structure itself and, uh,

• 1:58:14Speaker 00

  and it had symbolic meaning as you went through the temple. You know, there are different things of the different part of it that, that corresponded to different parts of the human body itself.

• 1:58:25Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:58:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you find the same thing with the cathedrals. Hence why they're called Our Lady Notre Dame.

• 1:58:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  Back to the Grail.

• 1:58:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  So it was an alchemical thing?

• 1:58:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So originally in ancient Sumer, Graal, G R A dot A L, just meant that was the word for the alchemical science, the science of transformation.

• 1:58:54Speaker 00

  Later, that came to be associated with everything from the the the cup of Jesus at the Last Supper to the the head of John the Baptist to the

• 1:59:11Speaker 00

  to the cauldron of plenty from ancient Celtic lore.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:18Speaker 00

  To the Emerald Tablet of Hermes. One of the one of the descriptions of the the Grail is it's they said it was an emerald that was in the crown of Lucifer. And that when the battle took place in heaven, there were neutral that that that that emerald got knocked out of his crown during the battle and that there were neutral angels that brought this emerald to earth and that this emerald then became known as the Grail. That's in Wilfrid von Eschenbach's Parsifal book.

• 1:59:57Speaker 00

  But they also say that that the Grail is a a stone that burns the phoenix to ashes, after which it comes back renewed. So there's there's all these these different descriptions of the Grail, none of which seem to to correspond with each other,

• 2:00:18Speaker 00

  even though they do. That's where the mystery lies. Ultimately, I would say that the Grail represents the connecting point between the consciousness of God or the Creator.

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• 2:01:01Speaker 00

  And the human consciousness. Our individual consciousness. So when we, when we get to that point of gnosis,

• 2:01:11Speaker 00

  that's, that's where the grail is, you know, that's the grail. Right. And in the, I will say in the earliest grail stories like Wilfrid von Eschenbach's Parsivale, which was written, Wilfrid was, was a Templar. And he received this information from Geat of province, who we know who Geat was. He was a, he was actually a, well, he's, it says Kiat in the, in the, in the, the text, but there was a certain Geat of province who was a Templar, who he got this information from.

• 2:01:53Speaker 00

  But in Wilfrid von Eschenbach's Parsivale, it's suggestive that the, the grail is an alchemical thing. It's an alchemical science and that it, it represents a state of balance. And it also represents a, it represents

• 2:02:20Speaker 00

  the, the balance of the new age we're going into, the age of Aquarius. It points to that and it also points to, um, there, there's a, there's a, a hermit in the story called Trevisrent the Hermit. Well, Trevisrent just means threefold knower. And hermit comes from the word Hermes. So really what it is, is it's Hermes Trismajestus, uh, who is known for writing the Emerald Tablet of Hermes, which was this alchemical instruction tablet. And the beginning of the tablet says, this tablet was something that was studied by

• 2:03:04Speaker 00

  people for centuries. It was believed that Alexander the Great found it at, at, at Abydos.

• 2:03:12Speaker 00

  This, this tablet originally and what it, uh,

• 2:03:18Speaker 00

  What it says is as above, so below is how how it begins, right? And it's a it's a tablet for the instruction of how to create the philosopher's stone, which was a substance said to transmute base metals into gold, to raise consciousness and to heal the body. Right? Which is pretty great, because if you could.

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  Turn base metals into gold?

• 2:03:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, like lead into gold. So if you could like transmute metals, so you could create your own money, and you can heal yourself, and you can raise your own consciousness, those are all you need, right? To have mastery in this world. So this was a this was a tablet for the instruction of how to produce this substance.

• 2:04:07Danny Jones?

  So we never tried it?

• 2:04:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Sir Isaac Newton spent spent most of his life trying to do it. In fact, eighty percent of everything he ever wrote on was alchemy, specifically related to this tablet. He had his own translation of it. But and people like him and Robert Boyle and others.

• 2:04:28Danny Jones?

  They ever get anywhere?

• 2:04:30Speaker 00

  Some say they did, yeah. But but Newton did go mad with mercury poisoning for a while. And John Locke actually had to come and heal him back to.

• 2:04:42Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:04:42Speaker 00

  Back to health. From you started writing these crazy letters to John Locke. And John Locke realized he had probably gone mad from mercury poisoning and.

• 2:04:55Danny Jones?

  Was that because he was trying to figure out this concoction?

• 2:04:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was exactly. He was trying to, you know, mercury, if you heat it, it really hot, it can separate itself. And on the one hand, it can form this this white powder, which is one of the most deadliest poisons known to man. But on the other hand, you could get these red crystals, which are said to be quite therapeutic and are used in all kinds of modern medical stuff. But yeah, but so Newton did go mad for a while.

• 2:05:34Speaker 00

  John Locke gave him a bunch of cilantro, which helped to leach the, the mercury out of his system so he restored his sanity.

• 2:05:43Danny Jones?

  Wow, Jesus.

• 2:05:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, but so anyhow, but this, this Emerald Tablet, some people believe this is really what that Emerald is that Wilfrid von Eschenbach talks about, that, that was plucked out of the crown of Lucifer.

• 2:05:59Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  That it was, that Emerald became the Emerald Tablet. Um, and, uh, and there's some people that believe that that Emerald, that Emerald Tablet was also what was referred to as the Tablet of Testimony in the Old Testament. Moses had two tablets he brought down from the mountain. One, one had the commandments on it, and the other was called the Tablet of Testimony. And he didn't think the people were ready for the Tablet of Testimony, so he broke it. And, uh, some people believe that other tablet was this Emerald Tablet.

• 2:06:41Speaker 00

  And that what Moses was actually doing up in the, uh, up on the mountain was alchemical work.

• 2:06:49Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:06:50Speaker 00

  That's why he came down with soot on his face. He, he, his face was all black from soot. And, uh, and that, and then right after that, he burned the golden calf into a powder, which is the mana, the monoatomics. So, which was an alchemical process.

• 2:07:10Danny Jones?

  Wow, man.

• 2:07:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:12Danny Jones?

  That's bizarre.

• 2:07:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. So anyhow, this, this Emerald Tablet was, some people that think that was one of the secrets of the Grail.

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  And we don't know where that is anymore? Or do we have, what's, what's the deal with that tablet now?

• 2:07:26Speaker 00

  Well, so supposedly it was, it was the last two people who were said to have had it in particular, like the actual tablet.

• 2:07:38Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:39Speaker 00

  Was, was, um,

• 2:07:44Speaker 00

  Alexander the Great, who had discovered it, excuse me, in Egypt and Aristotle helped him translate it.

• 2:07:54Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:07:54Speaker 00

  And understand it. And then Apollonius of Tyana was said to have had it. And some people believe the Apostle Paul was actually Apollonius of Tyana. In fact, Paul is just an abbreviation of Apollonius, which just means little Apollo. Right? Little sun.

• 2:08:18Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:08:19Speaker 00

  And.

• 2:08:20Danny Jones?

  It's so wild that all this stuff goes back to Egypt.

• 2:08:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, it does. It all goes back to Egypt. And what you, if you go there, we do, like I said, mentioned earlier, we do tours there. If you look up Templar Travel Tours, that's our company, but we do tours there at least once a year, sometimes twice a year. And we have access to all these sites in Egypt that the general public doesn't have access to. And where you can see all this stuff, we show you all this stuff. We show you all the arcs.

• 2:08:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:57Speaker 00

  That are on the walls and the. Yeah, so some of the crypts and chambers that just aren't available to the public. So.

• 2:09:10Danny Jones?

  The, you know, the, um, the general consensus from Egyptologists about the pyramid being a tomb is pretty astonishing.

• 2:09:18Speaker 00

  Ridiculous.

• 2:09:19Danny Jones?

  Even more, I think even more ridiculous is the idea that the Serapeum.

• 2:09:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:25Danny Jones?

  Boxes.

• 2:09:26Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:27Danny Jones?

  Coffins for like bulls or horses.

• 2:09:28Speaker 00

  No, no, that's ridiculous. There was, the reason why they say that is they found, they found a. Bull sacrifice by the later Egyptians, those mummified and placed outside the Serapeum. You have to remember that when the Egyptians found the Serapeum, they found it, right? They were, they were blown away by it, right? They, they.

• 2:09:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, how could you not be?

• 2:09:55Speaker 00

  They, they, I mean.

• 2:09:57Danny Jones?

  Those boxes are too big to even move through those hallways.

• 2:10:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  They fill up the entire hallway and those things weigh like a thousand tons each.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 2:10:06Danny Jones?

  How do you get those in there?

• 2:10:07Speaker 00

  How, how do you get them down there? How do you move them? How do you get the lids off? How do you, uh, and, and how, and they're, they're dendrite. They, they are the hardest granite that there is. And, uh, you know, the Egyptians had copper tools. They couldn't, they couldn't have made those.

• 2:10:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:28Speaker 00

  There's no way. And they're, and they're, and they're so precise. Uh, they're so precise that, uh, you know, so when the Egyptians found it, they tried to preserve the site. It was what they did. They tried to, they did everything they could to try to preserve it. They, um, they would go and they would worship there. They would even eat the dirt. You can see the, the areas around it where they dug out the dirt to eat. Cause they thought it had magical qualities, but.

• 2:10:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's photos of Chris Dunn inside those boxes with a square tool, like holding the square tool to the corners.

• 2:11:02Speaker 00

  Totally precise.

• 2:11:03Danny Jones?

  Totally perfectly square inside.

• 2:11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:06Danny Jones?

  It's interesting that the outsides aren't as perfect.

• 2:11:08Speaker 00

  Right. Yeah, you tell me how you even drill out the inside of that box. You'd need a diamond drill, you know? I mean, and then it would have to be so precise. I mean, yeah, so I'm under the opinion. Now there's different people that have different opinions about what those boxes were for. I think those boxes were, um, they were like a survival shelter. Um, that's where they, they kept.

• 2:11:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, look at that shit, dude.

• 2:11:37Speaker 00

  Exactly. So precise.

• 2:11:39Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:11:41Speaker 00

  You can almost see the reflection in the stone. It's so, it's so, you can see the reflection in the stone.

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  It's literally reflecting him. It's so polished.

• 2:11:48Speaker 00

  So polished. And, uh, you know, we would be hard pressed to be able to do that today.

• 2:11:54Danny Jones?

  And it looks like the carvings on the outside, it looks, if you look at the precision of the work they did on those boxes and how, and how much.

• 2:12:05Danny Jones?

  Engineering and knowledge and skill had to go into creating those. And then you look at the, the, the carvings, like the Egyptian carvings that are on the outside. It's like graffiti. It looks like toddlers came along with crayons afterwards and tried to draw on the outsides of these perfect, these masterpieces.

• 2:12:25Speaker 00

  That's exactly right. Yeah, they're unbelievable. We go down there for sure and explore them and look at the areas where you can see, um, you know, where there was, there, there, there's still remnants of the hydrofluoric acid that I'm sure was used to help create it.

• 2:12:43Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:12:43Speaker 00

  Um, to, to help carve them. Uh, but, uh, I think it's my opinion that, that there was, these were a pre cataclysm technology that was created to store um, grains and, uh, and other things for after the cataclysm.

• 2:13:11Danny Jones?

  You think that's what this was for?

• 2:13:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 2:13:13Danny Jones?

  But then why would it have to be so precise just to store grains?

• 2:13:16Speaker 00

  I think, I think they just had the technology to do it, you know, they wanted.

• 2:13:20Danny Jones?

  They were just, it was so easy for them.

• 2:13:22Speaker 00

  It was easy for them. Yeah. It was easy for them and they, and they, they had to make them so heavy to keep ensure that they survived the cataclysm, right? I mean, you have to remember if, if we're, we're, we're talking about the Younger Dryas and I believe that there was, uh, uh,

• 2:13:44Speaker 00

  shall we say, probably comet fragments that were hitting the earth.

• 2:13:48Danny Jones?

  Do you think it was the Younger Dryas or maybe before the Younger Dryas?

• 2:13:52Speaker 00

  Well, the cataclysm, the civilization was pre Younger Dryas.

• 2:13:56Danny Jones?

  Pre Younger Dryas, right.

• 2:13:57Speaker 00

  But then the, the Younger Dryas cataclysm is what they were trying to preserve everything.

• 2:14:02Danny Jones?

  Right. Because with the Younger Dryas cataclysm, would that have impacted Egypt that much? Because that basically wiped out all the.

• 2:14:09Speaker 00

  Mega fauna in on North America, right? It hit the North American ice sheet. I think I think it hit the entire north, north. I think it was hitting in Northern Europe, too. Because Africa, all the wild, all the giant animals and the mega and the giant mega fauna that they all survived, but there's nothing like that in the US. Correct. In fact, well, and I'll tell you something else that I believe. And I say, I, when I say I, it's me, but it's also the Templar tradition has passed on.

• 2:14:42Speaker 00

  Is the belief that the, um, you know, the Valley of the Kings is, most people think of them as just these,

• 2:14:52Speaker 00

  uh, these, these tombs that are built out of the side of the mountain, right? Which is true, but all of those tombs are actually connected by tunnels that go way down into the earth. And I believe that that area was originally survive, those were originally survival bunkers. From the cataclysm and that, um,

• 2:15:23Speaker 00

  later they came out of that and the pharaohs preserved the memory of originally coming out of there. And so, because all that stuff, I mean, those tunnels, it would have taken thousands of people to carve all of that out. Right. And, uh, and if you're trying to keep a place a secret, that'd be pretty dumb, right? To employ thousands of people Yeah. to carve this whole place out, because it's not going to be remain a secret. Yeah. I think it already existed. And what the secret was, is the pharaohs passed on the memory of it.

• 2:16:03Speaker 00

  And so they went back there and started burying themselves there to hide because they're trying to be back, be buried close to where their ancestors first came out of there after the cataclysm. And the reason why I believe this is because in many of the tombs, to this day, they still have depictions of things that they shouldn't have known about. Uh, there are, there are Egyptian tombs, and I can pull up pictures of this for you, too, that show.

• 2:16:39Speaker 00

  Bearded white dudes, these tall giant bearded white dudes with red beards with baby woolly mammoths on leashes and giant sloths on leashes. The Egyptians shouldn't have known about woolly mammoths or, or giant sloths. Right?

• 2:17:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:17:02Speaker 00

  Those were, those were animals that existed prior to the cataclysm and went extinct after the cataclysm.

• 2:17:08Danny Jones?

  Right. After Younger Dryas.

• 2:17:10Speaker 00

  Right. So what are they doing them depicting them on Egyptian temple walls? And let me give you an example. Well, I'll, I'll give you a picture of that.

• 2:17:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Are you familiar with Chris Dunn's Pyramid Power Plant Theory?

• 2:17:25Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 2:17:26Danny Jones?

  The Giza Power Plant?

• 2:17:27Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:17:28Danny Jones?

  Super, super compelling. And the fact that he's an engineer.

• 2:17:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:17:33Danny Jones?

  And understands how these things works and build, you know, jet engine, engines. And, you know, hi- his whole point is that precision is the product of function, right? Precision comes from function. You don't need precision unless you're trying to achieve some sort of functional goal.

• 2:17:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:17:56Danny Jones?

  So why would all of these things be so precise in the, in the Great Pyramid? And unless it was designed to actually do something, right?

• 2:18:09Speaker 00

  Yep. Well, check this out. The, the king's, the king's coffer in the Great Pyramid. The inside dimensions of that king's coffer are the exact same dimensions as the outer dimensions as the Ark of the Covenant is described in the Bible. So if we remember that these arcs are electrostatic capacitors, they were in all the temples of Egypt, right? And if you put mana in it, it, which was a super conductive substance, is this monoatomic elements, it produces tremendous amount of power. Well,

• 2:18:52Speaker 00

  if you're to put that in the pyramid, right, in the, in the king's chamber, in the, in the king's coffer in the pyramid.

• 2:19:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:00Speaker 00

  The pyramid itself is, um, uh, just from the, the, the, the weight of the granite pressing on it is piezoelectric.

• 2:19:10Danny Jones?

  Yes, this is one of the things that Chris Dunn just, uh, explained to me when he came on here, where he, he, he had a NASA physicist, Dr. Friedman Freund, I think his name was.

• 2:19:20Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:19:21Danny Jones?

  Who showed experiments of squeezing these giant granite pillars and being able, and they put an electrode on the other, on one end of it. And then they squeeze, they like used a hydraulic press to squeeze the other end of the granite. And it, it created electricity.

• 2:19:40Speaker 00

  Yep, that's right. And, well, and.

• 2:19:44Danny Jones?

  And the fact that the pyramids on the Giza Plateau, which is a, a seismically active, um, part of the earth. The idea is that the electrons from deep inside the earth, if there was an earthquake, or if his, his idea was that there was like a hydraulic hammer inside the subterranean chamber that would basically hammer the earth and create these mini earthquakes, that basically shot up these electrons into the pyramid, charged all of the granite and limestone in the pyramid. And that somehow combined with chemicals going in the shafts of the queen's chamber, then going up through, resonating through

• 2:20:28Danny Jones?

  the grand gallery. The combination of this charged granite with all the electrons, the sound that was coming through the grand gallery and the chemical combustion that was happening inside the queen's chamber, created some sort of pro, some sort of crazy reaction in the king's chamber that utilized those laser or masers, those, uh,

• 2:20:52Danny Jones?

  Those shafts that go out of the king's chamber and that somehow, you know, according to his theory would be a way to provide a free energy for whatever civilization was there.

• 2:21:05Speaker 00

  Yep. I think, well, even, I don't even think, I think there might be something to that. I also think though, it doesn't even have to be that complicated. I mean, you have, right now, if you were to, if you were to stand on top of the great pyramid with a, just take a wine bottle and you put a wet rag on it and hold it up, sparks will start shooting off.

• 2:21:28Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:21:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just from the natural generation of the, the static electricity that's built up from the desert and through the pyramid. So if you were to put a, an arc, which is designed to literally build up static electricity with this super conductive substance right in the center of it, it's going to generate a ton of electricity to broadcast in the region. And in fact, let's look at the word pyramid itself. Pyramid literally means, pyra means fire, mid means middle. So fire in the middle, that's literally what pyramid means, right?

• 2:22:08Danny Jones?

  Wasn't there like some sort of, it looks like there's something missing from the top of it? Like there was a capstone?

• 2:22:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was a capstone.

• 2:22:13Danny Jones?

  Or like a metal thing on top, maybe?

• 2:22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think that they, there's different theories that the Ben Ben, the, the top capstone. So here's, here's, here actually, here's the pictures of, see the woolly mammoth?

• 2:22:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:22:24Speaker 00

  And the giant sloth on leashes?

• 2:22:27Danny Jones?

  What the fuck?

• 2:22:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. And if you go to, uh,

• 2:22:30Danny Jones?

  Can you zoom out a little bit on that?

• 2:22:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. There's another, there's another picture I just sent him. That's the same image without my hand in it, but you can see that, you can see the people.

• 2:22:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:22:41Speaker 00

  See, there's these tall, tall white dudes with red beards. This is in, this is in a, this is in one of the tombs in Egypt, right? In the Valley of the Kings, right? Clearly, the, the, the pharaohs never saw woolly mammoths and giant sloths.

• 2:23:00Speaker 00

  Uh, so clearly they were trying to preserve the memory of these things from

• 2:23:07Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:23:08Speaker 00

  The previous time, which was known as the Zep Tepi, the, the original time.

• 2:23:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:13Speaker 00

  You know, so prior to the cataclysm.

• 2:23:16Danny Jones?

  Also, these things, these vases.

• 2:23:18Speaker 00

  Incredible. Yeah.

• 2:23:19Danny Jones?

  They're, you know, you met with Matt.

• 2:23:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:21Danny Jones?

  Matt Bell, who bought like a few dozen of those things and they're like, they measured them. They measured them in laser scanners, light machines, whatever. And they're like perfectly symmetrical.

• 2:23:30Speaker 00

  Perfectly.

• 2:23:31Danny Jones?

  And they're the hardest stone on earth, one of the hardest stones on earth.

• 2:23:34Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:23:35Danny Jones?

  And they're thin. They're almost as thin as a sheet of paper.

• 2:23:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. You can almost see through them and some of them you can shine a light.

• 2:23:41Danny Jones?

  Shine a light. Yeah. Flashlighting. I mean, you can see the light right through it. It's insane.

• 2:23:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, those are evidence of a technology that, I mean, we'd be hard pressed to be able to make that today. You know, uh, people don't think about that, but, uh,

• 2:23:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I had Flint Dibble on here and he said that he thought it would be easy to do this.

• 2:23:59Speaker 00

  Well, good luck. Do it.

• 2:24:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, apparently there's this YouTube channel that tried to do it. I don't think they did a good job. I think it took them like a couple of years and they were, they came up with like this thing that looked like a potato at the end of it.

• 2:24:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I, uh, yeah, I mean, with, with that heart of stone and that type of precision, you really do need, uh,

• 2:24:20Danny Jones?

  Like why? What? Why? Why does, why does it have to be like that? Why does it be so perfect?

• 2:24:25Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 2:24:26Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 2:24:26Speaker 00

  Well, cause I think they wanted to prove that they could, you know? I mean,

• 2:24:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:30Speaker 00

  It's, it's, uh, it's, yeah, most people, they go to the Cairo museum, they see those, uh, stone vases. They don't think anything of it. They think, oh, it's just a vase. They made out of stone, but they're not realizing. Number one, if, if we accept what the archaeologists say, which is that the Egyptians only had copper tools.

• 2:24:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:52Speaker 00

  Uh, copper can't cut that.

• 2:24:55Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:24:55Speaker 00

  You know, copper can't, you can't use a copper drill to drill into that. The copper will melt. I mean, it's not, it won't even budge the stone. So. Uh, so you need a diamond drill to even go into something like that. And then you need high pressure and, and water pump.

• 2:25:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's, there's so many gaping holes in the, in the general consensus of the, how the pyramids are built and why they built them and even the timing of like the pharaohs and all that. And, um,

• 2:25:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, they, they, you know, one of the, the whole, the whole idea that Kufu built the, the pyramid to is ridiculous. I mean, that's all based on Vice, who was an archaeologist, who was known for forging things. And with red ochre paint, he, he got caught doing this in other places in Egypt. And it just so happens while he was in the Great Pyramid, you know, he sent his workers home. Uh, and the next day, lo and behold, he found with red ochre paint Kufu's name in hieroglyphs up in the upper relieving chambers of the

• 2:26:08Speaker 00

  pyramid. But, um, uh, there's several problems with that. One of which is he spelled Kufu's name wrong. So it's like, so you're gonna tell me you're gonna build this, if Kufu built this giant monument, he's just gonna like, have his name spelled wrong up in the upper relieving chambers? I mean, it's ridiculous. So it's, it's very clear that he forged it. And, uh, but people have been believing it ever since.

• 2:26:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, it's crazy. I was shocked when Flint was trying to make that argument about these vases. I just didn't, I couldn't, I didn't see the logic there. Yeah. But to give him credit though, one of the things that I think Flint made a very solid case for was for Atlantis. Um, and he happens to be one of like, his area of expertise and his, where he studied his whole life was Athens.

• 2:27:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:05Danny Jones?

  And he's basically excavated Athens to the very beginning.

• 2:27:10Danny Jones?

  And so, so if there's anyone to talk and you know, he knows he can read Greek. He understands all the history of the Greeks and the archaeology of Athens and Greek and Greece and all that. So he understands the stories and um, I don't know if you've ever heard him talk about Atlantis, but the, the, the case that he makes is pretty solid. It seems pretty solid.

• 2:27:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:31Danny Jones?

  Because, you know, and I've, I've talked to other classicists about Plato.

• 2:27:38Danny Jones?

  And I don't know how much, I don't know how solid of a foundation. I don't know how, if Plato is the, is the strongest support for Atlantis or not. But it seems like there's a lot of things that Plato talked about. Like, for example, Plato was not a historian. He was a philosopher who came up with hypothetical ideas.

• 2:28:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:28:01Danny Jones?

  You know, like, like Plato's cave.

• 2:28:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:28:03Danny Jones?

  Right. The allegory of the cave and all that stuff. And, and he came up with, I think it was Critias or Timaeus, whatever, when they were talking about Atlantis. The, the idea was that, which Flynn explained to me was that it was like a hypothetical war game between Athens and this other civilization, right?

• 2:28:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:28:23Danny Jones?

  And how to do it. He also, there's also, um, Plato had an idea of how to create a civilization. And he had like the Plato's noble lie about having the philosopher kings and, you know, Plato was also a big advocate of censorship. He wanted to get rid of, um, Homer.

• 2:28:40Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 2:28:40Danny Jones?

  He didn't think Homer should have been taught to the, to the students. He wanted basically to create this Santa Claus for society.

• 2:28:45Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 2:28:46Danny Jones?

  To keep everyone to fit into, you know, to follow the rules and to fit in.

• 2:28:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:28:51Danny Jones?

  And to create this functional society. And, um, according to experts I've talked to that read ancient Greek and ancient texts is that, I mean, even Aristotle claimed that Plato was a, a known liar.

• 2:29:06Speaker 00

  Right, sure.

• 2:29:07Danny Jones?

  So, you know, to ta- I, I feel like. To take that into context of when he's talking about this war between Athen and Athens and Atlantis, you can't just throw that out, right?

• 2:29:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:29:19Danny Jones?

  You gotta, you gotta, you gotta consider the fact that he was known for creating these lies and these hypothetical.

• 2:29:25Speaker 00

  Or metaphors.

• 2:29:26Danny Jones?

  Metaphors, these philosophical ideas, right?

• 2:29:29Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 2:29:30Danny Jones?

  Thought experiments.

• 2:29:31Speaker 00

  But on the other hand, he said he received his information about Atlantis from Solon, who was his grandfather. And he says that Solon learned of it from the high priests in Egypt.

• 2:29:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:43Speaker 00

  And we actually know where the Atlantis story is recorded in Egypt. It's at Edfu, at the temple of Horus at Edfu, where it's, it's laid out in the temple walls. It's the building texts of, at Edfu. And they talk about this great civilization that where the gods came from and that it had, it had collapsed from a, they depicted as a giant serpent in the sky that came down and destroyed it. And that they escaped on boats and they fled to Egypt and then they started setting up

• 2:30:21Speaker 00

  Egypt to be a, a repository of the Atlantean information.

• 2:30:29Danny Jones?

  So do you know the linear, do you know the, the chain of transmission for the Atlantis story? Like if we take, if we take Plato, Plato got it from Socrates, right?

• 2:30:45Speaker 00

  No, Plato got it from his grandfather.

• 2:30:47Danny Jones?

  Plato got it from his grandfather? I thought he got it from Socrates.

• 2:30:50Speaker 00

  No, Solon.

• 2:30:51Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:30:52Speaker 00

  He got it from Solon, his grandfather.

• 2:30:54Danny Jones?

  So Solon was Plato's grandfather?

• 2:30:56Speaker 00

  Correct, yeah. And he, and he got, and then he got it from the priests in Egypt.

• 2:31:01Danny Jones?

  And then he, and then Solon, so how, from the time Plato wrote it down? How many years was it before Solon told it to him?

• 2:31:12Speaker 00

  Well, uh, I don't know, probably maybe 20 or 20 or so. I mean, it wasn't that long, uh, but the, the, what's interesting is Plato does place the fall of Atlantis 9,000 years before him, which would have put it exactly.

• 2:31:36Danny Jones?

  That was before Athens was even there.

• 2:31:38Speaker 00

  Correct. Yeah, exactly. So he said, he said Atlantis existed 9,000 years before, and it had collapsed 9,000 years before him.

• 2:31:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:51Speaker 00

  So, and that would have put it in, in Plato's time, that would have put it exactly at the time of the younger Darius.

• 2:31:58Danny Jones?

  I have this thing, I have it saved somewhere. Let me pull this up because this will be, I think, informative for us to look at. I screenshot of this a while back. I have the, um, and you can probably confirm whether, how accurate this is. It is basically the chain of transmission of the Atlantis story.

• 2:32:17Speaker 00

  Hmm, cool.

• 2:32:20Speaker 00

  You know, what's interesting.

• 2:32:21Danny Jones?

  It's just hard to remember it.

• 2:32:22Speaker 00

  What's interesting is, uh, one of the things that Plato talks about with Atlantis is he says that the colors of Atlantis were black, red and white.

• 2:32:31Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:32:32Speaker 00

  And those were also the colors of Egypt, which is why the Egypt's flag is black, red and white.

• 2:32:39Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:32:39Speaker 00

  Those are also the colors of, uh, the alchemical process of the transmutations. They go through the changes from black to red to white, uh, as you're working them in the lab. Uh, and those are also the colors of the Templar Order. That's why the Templar flag was black and white with a red cross on it. And, uh, some people have, have said to me, well, so.

• 2:33:08Speaker 00

  From a, from a Templar perspective, the Templar Order was really founded to seek out, they, they, they understood that there were all these flood stories, right? From all these different cultures that they are encountering. They all had these flood stories.

• 2:33:24Speaker 00

  And they understood that there was, they originally were looking at it from a Noah perspective, like that there had been this civilization that had collapsed from the flood.

• 2:33:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:33:36Speaker 00

  But when they encountered the Druze and the Sibians and others who were translating the works of Plato, they came to learn of the Atlantis story. And so they determined that the, uh, that the, um, this great civilization of antiquity was probably Atlantis and that they were trying to find the remnants of Atlantis. They're trying to find the technologies, the philosophies and the knowledge of Atlantis to, to rebuild civilization.

• 2:34:14Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:34:15Speaker 00

  And that's really what the Templars were doing. Now, now some have said to me, well, that's just something that you're making up, Tim. Uh, but in fact, um,

• 2:34:28Speaker 00

  uh, it's something that's been in our tradition a long time. I, I first learned of it through the Grand Master before me was a man by the name of Raymond Bernard, and he wrote a book called Secret Meeting in Rome. Uh, and this was about his initiation in the Templar Order and I think it was 1956. And in that, where in his description of his initiation of the Templar Order, he learned about the Templar connection with Atlantis. And he writes about that in his book, Secret Meeting in Rome. So that's where I first learned of it.

• 2:35:03Danny Jones?

  And how did he learn about it?

• 2:35:05Speaker 00

  Uh, from the, the Templar Grand Master who was initiating him at the time. Yeah. So this is the, um,

• 2:35:15Danny Jones?

  The chain of transmission that I'm aware of for the, uh, for the Atlantis story. Okay. So destruction of Atlantis, 9,000 years before Solon, right? And this is in the Cretias.

• 2:35:25Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:35:25Danny Jones?

  So 9,000 years before Solon is apparently when it was destructed. So from 9,000 years, um, from 9,000 years ago, there's an oral history of it for a thousand years. Never written down. Then it is allegedly written down by the Egyptians 8,000 years ago, or 8,000 years before Solon. Right? So it's talked about for a thousand years, only oral, finally written down a thousand years later. Um, this is in Temmaeus and then, but there's no, so, but there's no, we still don't have any writings of this.

• 2:35:59Speaker 00

  Right. There is actually, it's at, it's at, it's at the temple of Horus at Edfu.

• 2:36:04Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:36:04Speaker 00

  It's on the temple walls.

• 2:36:06Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:36:06Speaker 00

  For the building text there.

• 2:36:08Danny Jones?

  Okay. So then the priest reads the records.

• 2:36:12Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:36:13Danny Jones?

  Which is a thousand year, or which is how long after? So the priest reads the records, years pass, and then he tells his memory of the records to Solon, without consulting the records. Solon tells his relative Drupeides. Drupeides tells his son, Cretias the Elder. At age 90, Cretias the Elder tells it to his 10-year-old grandson, Cretias the Younger. Then Cretias the Younger tells it to Socrates. Then 50 years later, Plato writes it down.

• 2:36:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:36:48Danny Jones?

  Which is wild. So apparently, okay, so you're saying that it's written down by the Egyptians. Okay. This is saying it's written down allegedly by the Egyptians 8,000 years before Solon. Right? After this destruction of Atlantis. And this is in the Edfu texts?

• 2:37:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what happened was they had it, they had it written down on these parchments that they were passing down for centuries. And then that somewhere along the line decided, we better get this like on a temple wall. So it's preserved.

• 2:37:19Danny Jones?

  When was that written? When were those Ed Fu texts written?

• 2:37:22Speaker 00

  I would have, I'd have to look at when the temple of Horus was built at Ed Fu. Okay, we'd have to look up when the temple of Horus at Ed Fu was.

• 2:37:31Danny Jones?

  Can we look up when the temple of Horus at Ed Fu was built? And so it was written in the walls?

• 2:37:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, they inscribed it on the temple walls, so it would be preserved. And so you can still see it there to this day.

• 2:37:46Speaker 00

  Where it, where it's, it's, it's known as the building texts. And it was when they learned how to build in ancient Egypt.

• 2:37:53Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:37:54Speaker 00

  And it was from this, this episode of the gods.

• 2:37:58Danny Jones?

  Two thou- two hundred B.C.

• 2:38:01Speaker 00

  So that's when they, that's when they incorporated it on the walls.

• 2:38:05Danny Jones?

  That says when it was built.

• 2:38:07Speaker 00

  Right, right. When they incorporated on the walls there.

• 2:38:11Danny Jones?

  Um, so they voted down.

• 2:38:13Speaker 00

  But it came from these earlier texts. And then they, they started.

• 2:38:17Danny Jones?

  But we don't, but we don't have the text.

• 2:38:19Speaker 00

  We don't have the text. Right. They've crumbled.

• 2:38:22Danny Jones?

  We, yeah, we don't, we know. So like what the point that that thing was making.

• 2:38:26Speaker 00

  There's, there's legends that there's a hall of records underneath the Sphinx.

• 2:38:32Danny Jones?

  Yes, I've heard that.

• 2:38:33Speaker 00

  That where all this stuff is preserved.

• 2:38:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So just looking at this.

• 2:38:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:38:38Danny Jones?

  It's like.

• 2:38:41Danny Jones?

  I mean, how serious can we take it? When, when you, when you have this, you know, a thousand years oral history, then it's like this game of telephone through millennia.

• 2:38:51Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 2:38:52Danny Jones?

  And then you have Plato writing it down. He's not a very, very good.

• 2:38:55Speaker 00

  And I would concede that Plato, you know, he would write things in metaphor.

• 2:39:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:01Speaker 00

  You know, I mean, he, he would take. I, I once, I once was told, given some good advice. It says you need to learn to lead, read. Sometimes you need to read history as myth and myth is history.

• 2:39:16Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:39:16Speaker 00

  You know, you have to look at it both ways.

• 2:39:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:19Speaker 00

  Cause sometimes there's things that are, that are contained in, in the, it's like, um.

• 2:39:26Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, I mean, there, there's all kinds of things that are passed down in nursery rhymes or in, uh, you know, stories that, that could just get changed throughout slightly throughout history, but if you take it back to its source, there's some real truth to it. And, uh, yeah, as far as Atlantis goes, I think part of it was, was metaphor.

• 2:39:52Speaker 00

  For sure. But I think the part of it was, there's probably something to it.

• 2:39:57Danny Jones?

  Maybe.

• 2:39:58Speaker 00

  I mean, the, the fact, and the fact that he places the collapse of Atlantis nine thousand years previously to him.

• 2:40:07Danny Jones?

  So long.

• 2:40:08Speaker 00

  Which would have put it exactly at the younger Dryas cataclysm. Exactly.

• 2:40:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:40:15Speaker 00

  That's spot on.

• 2:40:16Danny Jones?

  That is, that is true.

• 2:40:17Speaker 00

  And that's, uh, you know, I think we have to consider that.

• 2:40:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we can. Yeah, I think so too. But like.

• 2:40:25Speaker 00

  Now where Atlantis was.

• 2:40:26Danny Jones?

  We got, we got, we got a wobbly table still.

• 2:40:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't, I don't believe Atlantis was a, uh, like an island somewhere.

• 2:40:37Danny Jones?

  I think Randall believes it was in the Azores.

• 2:40:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, Randall believes it's in the Azores. There's some Templar traditions that suggest that too. In fact, that's the whole reason why Portugal owns the Azores, right? Cause Portugal was founded as a Templar state.

• 2:40:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:52Speaker 00

  Right, exactly. And, uh, it was, uh, Portugal was founded as a Templar state and they acquired the Azores and, and, uh, there's some tradition to say Mount Pico in, uh, in the Azores was actually the top of a very large mountain where the Atlanteans worshiped.

• 2:41:16Speaker 00

  That's just one tradition though. I mean, I think that if there wasn't Atlantis, it was more of a, um.

• 2:41:27Speaker 00

  Worldwide network culture.

• 2:41:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:30Speaker 00

  Uh, more of a worldwide empire like, like the British Empire, you know, I mean, you would find if, if, if civilization collapsed right as the British Empire was at its peak, you know, you'd find English all over the world, you know, and, and there would be a debate about where, you know, where this empire base was, you know, I mean, and I think it was a similar type of deal.

• 2:41:56Danny Jones?

  I think Atlantis, I think if it was real, it's probably still there and that's where all these UFOs are flying around. They're all coming from Atlantis. It's like this underwater base that they're all going to. Maybe, maybe it's run by AI. I don't know. Maybe it's just like still super advanced.

• 2:42:11Speaker 00

  Under, under the water?

• 2:42:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:13Speaker 00

  Quite possibly.

• 2:42:13Danny Jones?

  We've explored more of the moon than we have the oceans. It's like there's, we don't, there's a lot we don't know about the ocean. We've explored like what? I think it's like 5% of our ocean, ocean floors.

• 2:42:24Speaker 00

  Well, the other thing you have to keep in mind too is, you know, the Mayans and the Nahuatl cultures of the Americas, they have the same myth of Atlantis, but they call it Atslan.

• 2:42:34Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Oh, yeah.

• 2:42:36Speaker 00

  So the fact that you have Atslan of the, the, the, the indigenous Maya and uh, Nahuatl cultures called it Atslan, Plato called it Atlantis. It's, it's pretty, it's a pretty much the same word, you know?

• 2:42:55Danny Jones?

  And then who took it after Plato? Was it Ignatius Donnelly? Was he the first one to, to take the ball and run with it after Plato?

• 2:43:01Speaker 00

  Well, he, yeah, he did his, he did, uh, the, he wrote the most authoritative work on it, uh, early on, I would say. Donnelly was known for two things. He was, he wrote, he wrote on Atlantis and he wrote on the idea that, uh, Francis Bacon wrote the Shakespeare plays. Those, those were the two things he focused on. So,

• 2:43:27Speaker 00

  but, uh, yeah, Donnelly, Donnelly definitely picked it up pretty big and then, uh, you know, then people have been running with it ever since.

• 2:43:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:37Speaker 00

  Uh, and Donnelly also believed that it was, uh, in the middle of the Atlantic. Other people have suggested it may have been in Antarctica, you know, before it iced over.

• 2:43:50Speaker 00

  Uh, some people have even suggested it was the planet Mars. And that there were beings coming over from Mars and that's the reason why it was described as red, black and white, because those are the colors of Mars.

• 2:44:04Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:44:05Speaker 00

  And that Mars is about the same size of what Plato was suggesting.

• 2:44:11Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:44:11Speaker 00

  I mean, that's a whole nother.

• 2:44:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:14Speaker 00

  Thing getting out there, but uh, but there's, there are different theories on it. Um, I will say that, uh, there's a, in Egypt, there's, there's also an island called Elephantine Island in the middle of the Isle, the Nile. And it has a number of things there, uh, that shouldn't be there. I mean, there's a, first of all, it looks like a bomb went off on the island. I mean, there's, there's huge, you know, 700 ton, uh, structures that have just been blown to the side.

• 2:44:51Speaker 00

  Uh, uh, there, there's, there's granite or not granite, uh, um, uh, I can't think of it, but there's, there's stone, stone buildings that have been blown apart into literally like pieces. Uh, and there's speculation that there's an ark that's there to this day. I mean, there's German scientists who've been digging there for, uh, for decades now, trying to get to it. But, uh, yeah, but there's other things that they found on the island, including boomerangs,

• 2:45:29Speaker 00

  which, uh, uh, or they call them magic throwing sticks, which seem to connect some sort of connection between the Egyptians and Australia. Uh, and they've also, there's also a temple of Thutmose III on the island. And in the temple, they have depicted, uh, Mayans meeting with Egyptians.

• 2:45:56Danny Jones?

  Uh, really?

• 2:45:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, very clear.

• 2:45:59Danny Jones?

  How can you tell they're Mayans?

• 2:46:01Speaker 00

  Cause they have big Mayan headdresses and they're dressed the same way the Mayans dress.

• 2:46:05Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:46:06Speaker 00

  And they're trading beads with the Egyptians and the, and the hieroglyphs talk about the two, that they were brothers on either side of the big body of water.

• 2:46:17Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:46:18Speaker 00

  But that suggests that the Egyptians were probably trying to go find, in antiquity, were probably trying to go find,

• 2:46:31Speaker 00

  people that they were connected to previously. And the fact that both have the same Atlantis myth.

• 2:46:38Danny Jones?

  They both built pyramids.

• 2:46:39Speaker 00

  They both built pyramids.

• 2:46:42Speaker 00

  The, yeah, it suggests that there may be some connection there in antiquity. And that, I mean, the fact that the, again, the, the, the, the Mayans have, not only that, but the Mayans, not only they have the same,

• 2:47:00Speaker 00

  Atlantis myth, which they just call Atslan, they say they escaped Atslan in boats, you know, and, and fled to, to the Yucatan where they are now. But they, and they refer to the, the, the people of Atslan as the Itza, which just means like water wizard. You know, so they referred to them as water wizards.

• 2:47:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:26Speaker 00

  But the fact that they have this whole myth, same myth as Plato talks about. It's bizarre. And, and I'll tell you, even at the, if you go to Nakamul, which is the second tallest pyramid in the Mayan world. It's in the Yucatan in Mexico.

• 2:47:46Danny Jones?

  What's it called again?

• 2:47:47Speaker 00

  Nak, Nakamul.

• 2:47:48Danny Jones?

  Nakamul?

• 2:47:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, it's on the very top of the pyramid, there are tridents.

• 2:48:01Speaker 00

  And I think that the Mayan, the Mayan also had this, this figure known as the falling god figure. But his body is in the shape of a trident. And of course, the trident was the symbol of Poseidon, of who is the god of Atlantis. So, yeah, there it is, there it is.

• 2:48:22Danny Jones?

  That's the second biggest pyramid?

• 2:48:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, second tallest pyramid in the Mayan world. And at the very top of it, you, you, you can't see it, but there's a, there's like a, like a little

• 2:48:33Speaker 00

  uh, structure on the very top, but on that structure is these trident shapes. Right?

• 2:48:40Danny Jones?

  Type in tridents after the word, Steve. After the go back, they've been tried in.

• 2:48:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, you you probably won't.

• 2:48:47Danny Jones?

  No, you won't have it on there.

• 2:48:48Speaker 00

  No, the the no one's allowed up there.

• 2:48:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, OK.

• 2:48:51Speaker 00

  I got I I've got some photos of them at one point in time.

• 2:48:55Danny Jones?

  Wow, man, you've been everywhere.

• 2:48:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:48:58Danny Jones?

  World traveler.

• 2:48:59Speaker 00

  But, you know, the Mayans, they also have a um, they have a I I'll tell you um.

• 2:49:09Speaker 00

  The Templars were trading uh, were trading silver with them clear back in the 1200s. And uh.

• 2:49:21Speaker 00

  And to this day, the Mayans have preserved.

• 2:49:26Speaker 00

  Uh. Like, for example, they they they create their altars the same way the Templars do, and they even put an equal armed cross on their altars, just like the Templars do. And they perform a

• 2:49:44Speaker 00

  ceremony where they symbolically kill the person and then raise them back to life. And the Templars perform the same ceremony.

• 2:49:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:54Speaker 00

  And the Egyptians performed the same ceremony.

• 2:49:57Danny Jones?

  This dying and rising gods, this pagan thing, this goes back, this is echoed everywhere.

• 2:50:02Speaker 00

  Exactly, and it was a, we believe it was one of the initial rites of Atlantis. And the reason why we believe that is because there is a certain hand grip that you're given when you're raised from that. And that hand grip is universal.

• 2:50:24Speaker 00

  Attached with that death and raising ceremony. And the only way that could be is if they had all get it from the same place. In fact, the Hopi have a myth, they say. They say at one point in time, uh. All the different people of the world were together and that the great spirit gave them. This secret hand grip to recognize each other by and then sent them off in different directions. Hmm. And that the Hopi ended up settling where they are now in Arizona. And that they say when the first conquistadors came across the, the land, they went to give them the grip.

• 2:51:07Speaker 00

  And the conquistadors just dropped trinkets in their hands and they were, they knew there was going to be problems because one of the races of man had forgotten the grip. Oh, Jesus. But the Templars have passed on that grip and uh. What is it? How does it work? Oh, I can't tell you that. It's a secret. It's a secret? It's a secret. Come on. But I'll tell you, it's known by, it's practiced by um cultures as diverse as the Hopi, the Maya, the Druze of Lebanon, the uh, the, the Sufi tradition, some Sufi traditions pass it on. Uh, the Templars pass Templar based traditions pass it on, including the Freemasons. Hmm.

• 2:51:51Speaker 00

  And uh, it's, it's all the same. Does Randall know the same? Yeah, he does. Does he? Yeah. And why do you guys keep it a secret? Um, because, cause people have to prove themselves, you know, before they're able to, to go through that initiation, right? And I mean, it's not something you just do on somebody. First of all, you wouldn't do that initiation right on somebody. They could wildly misinterpret it. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, you're, you're, you're symbolically killing the person. With the handshake? No. Oh. You, you, you symbolically kill them. Pull this back a little bit. Yeah.

• 2:52:31Speaker 00

  You, you symbolically kill them and then uh, if you do it right, they have an out of body experience. So at that point, they know.

• 2:52:45Speaker 00

  That they, who they really are, transcends the physical body.

• 2:52:49Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:52:50Speaker 00

  And then there's no more fear of death. Which is why so many people have gone through this, have gone on to become great leaders. Cause they weren't afraid of speaking the truth and of doing things that could get them killed. Cause worst case scenario, you, you die. But you know, you still survive.

• 2:53:11Danny Jones?

  And this rite has been a part of Freemasons since the beginning?

• 2:53:15Speaker 00

  Yep. And uh.

• 2:53:17Danny Jones?

  It's interesting, the founding fathers are Freemasons.

• 2:53:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, they all went through it. Yeah. And it's wild to think about. And, and it's a Templar rite, it's a Templar initiation rite that was being done by Templars. You know, clear back in the 1100s, they learned of it. Uh, we still perform this initiation rite in the Great Pyramid.

• 2:53:38Danny Jones?

  You perform it in the Great Pyramid?

• 2:53:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, to this day.

• 2:53:41Danny Jones?

  You guys like rent out the whole pyramid?

• 2:53:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, they just give it to us for the night. And we, about once or twice a year, we do, we do this initiation.

• 2:53:48Danny Jones?

  How can I go? What if, what do, how do I get, uh? How can I get hazed into, uh, the Freemasons?

• 2:53:54Speaker 00

  Well, you'd have to, you'd have to, I mean, you'd have to, you'd have to join a Masonic lodge to go through that. Uh, but there are, there are other Templar traditions that you can go through that, uh, you don't have to become a Mason to go through it.

• 2:54:06Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:54:07Speaker 00

  Um, but, uh, uh, yeah, we do, we do this, Napoleon received this initiation in the Great Pyramid. Oh yeah. Yeah, he refused to talk about what he, what he experienced for the rest of his life. He's told people he wouldn't believe me anyways.

• 2:54:22Danny Jones?

  In the Great Pyramid?

• 2:54:23Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember the exact date. It was, uh, uh, 18. I want to say, I, I don't know, I'd have to look it up. But we have the exact date in the archives of when he was, he went through it in the Great Pyramid. But, um, yeah, this, this initiation rite that's done in the Great Pyramid, uh, has been done, is echoed in different ways that, uh.

• 2:54:54Speaker 00

  And different traditions all over the world, including the Mayans performed the exact same ceremony. And in fact, I first thought, I remember when I first saw it, when I went down and met with Maya down in the Yucatan.

• 2:55:10Speaker 00

  And I, they allowed me to, to see their initiation rites because I gave them this grip, right? This handshake. And so they knew I knew, I knew, right? So they allowed me to participate. And when I first saw it, I thought, oh, they must have learned this from the Templars when the Templars were coming over here and trading with them.

• 2:55:37Speaker 00

  But in fact, then they took me to a, they had like, it's kind of sad. They had, they had recently taken apart one of their pyramids in order to use the stones to build, to build fences for their property in the jungle, which is kind of a sad commentary. But in the processes of taking apart the pyramid, they found all these artifacts in the pyramid. And so they took a, they created like a mobile home and they turned it into a, like a little

• 2:56:15Speaker 00

  mini museum where they could house the artifacts. And in this, they took me to this, this little museum and in it, they, they had all these sculptures that they pulled out of the pyramid that were depicting

• 2:56:34Speaker 00

  scenes from their initiation rite. And modern archaeologists have actually been able to carbon date those, those statues. And they go back to about 900 of our current era, which means that's long before the Templars ever came over, right? Because the Templars weren't even founded till 1096. So these were dated 200 years before the Templar Order was ever founded, which means they were doing these initiation rites.

• 2:57:10Speaker 00

  Before the Templars ever came over, which means that they were passing on a tradition that was the same tradition that the Egyptians were doing. That's where the, that's where the, you know, through different lineages out of the Egyptians ultimately coming to the Templars, that's how the Templars got it. So it means it's a, it's a universal thing that was being practiced all over the world from, which means it all had to have come from a common source.

• 2:57:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:57:45Speaker 00

  Which seems to suggest Atlantis.

• 2:57:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's the common source.

• 2:57:53Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:57:54Speaker 00

  Because both the Mayans and the Egyptians talk about it. That's where Plato learned of it.

• 2:58:00Danny Jones?

  So, Jesus Christ, man.

• 2:58:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:58:03Danny Jones?

  The mysteries.

• 2:58:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:58:06Danny Jones?

  There's also, I was watching your show that you do with Matt Bell. And you talk, you, apparently you have the bones of Jesus.

• 2:58:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:58:18Danny Jones?

  Is that for real?

• 2:58:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's for real. That's one of the things that's in these vaults that we got. So we got two vaults that we used to have seven vaults. One of them used to be-

• 2:58:27Danny Jones?

  You're talking about the-

• 2:58:27Speaker 00

  The Templar Order.

• 2:58:28Danny Jones?

  The Templar Order, okay.

• 2:58:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, so when they came over, they set up a series of vaults. One of them was actually at Oak Island, but we, you know, where the show Oak Island is, they're dig, they keep digging.

• 2:58:39Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:58:40Speaker 00

  Everything, all the major stuff was moved out of there by 1765. So, I mean, they may find some coins or maybe a few things in there, but, but all the major stuff was moved out of that vault back in 1765.

• 2:59:02Speaker 00

  I hate to, hate to break it to them, but that, that's, that's why they haven't found anything yet.

• 2:59:07Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:59:08Speaker 00

  Uh, but, uh,

• 2:59:11Speaker 00

  there were, there used to be seven vaults. They've been, since been condensed into two vaults. And, uh, and in these vaults, we have the six arcs uh, that we've, we acquired as well as, uh, several different ossuaries of bones of, uh, ostensibly of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist and their children. So what appears is that, uh, Mary Magdalene, who was a wealthy, she was a wealthy woman. Uh, she

• 2:59:52Speaker 00

  kinda was a patron and became the wife of John the Baptist and they had children. Well then, when John the Baptist was killed, um,

• 3:00:05Speaker 00

  Jesus was like the next in command, basically to, to lead that movement. And, uh, so Mary Mag, because he was the cousin of, of, uh, John the Baptist.

• 3:00:19Speaker 02

  Jesus?

• 3:00:20Speaker 00

  Jesus was the cousin of John the Baptist. It was lawful for Mary Magdalene to remarry, uh,

• 3:00:29Speaker 00

  the cousin, right? In order to stay in the family. So, um, so she remarried Jesus and then they had children. And, uh, and so this was their, their tomb. We believe it was the, the Talpiat tomb of East Jerusalem that, uh, the order had originally found back in the Middle Ages. And they removed all the bones and they placed, uh, within it, uh, three skulls kind of as, uh,

• 3:01:01Speaker 00

  guardians to mark the space. Uh, they placed them in the east, the west and the south of the tomb. And, um, as markers or, or wardens of the, of the tomb. And then they took all the bones out and, uh,

• 3:01:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's part of, that's part of what we brought over to the new world as well as other things that we, we found.

• 3:01:28Danny Jones?

  Have you ever seen any of this stuff?

• 3:01:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've seen some of it.

• 3:01:30Danny Jones?

  You've seen it?

• 3:01:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:01:32Danny Jones?

  For real?

• 3:01:32Speaker 00

  For real, yeah.

• 3:01:34Danny Jones?

  In the vaults?

• 3:01:35Speaker 00

  In the vaults. Yeah, well, I know one of them, one of them.

• 3:01:40Danny Jones?

  So you've seen the arcs and you've seen the bones?

• 3:01:42Speaker 00

  I've seen early photos of them from the last time they were opened and I know exactly where the vaults are. And.

• 3:01:50Danny Jones?

  Steven, lock the doors.

• 3:01:55Danny Jones?

  So when was the last time the vaults were opened?

• 3:01:58Speaker 00

  Oh, it would have been about forty years ago. We're looking at opening one of them soon, actually. Uh, I, I think, you know, we're, we're planning on it. I'm working with Scott Walter and who's, you know, the chief forensic geologist who has the expertise and has been searching this stuff as in, you know, ever since he started studying the Kensington Rune Stone.

• 3:02:29Speaker 00

  We have, uh, but we know, we know exactly where these vaults are. And one of them, we probably won't be able to open anytime soon because of where it's located. But the other one, we're, we're thinking about opening again soon, like within the next year or two. Uh, and then making that known to the world, so.

• 3:02:57Danny Jones?

  The vault that you went to?

• 3:02:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:59Danny Jones?

  Where was that roughly? You don't have to give me an exact location.

• 3:03:03Speaker 00

  It's in the American Northwest.

• 3:03:07Speaker 02

  I got a question.

• 3:03:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  Does the Vatican know you guys have this and what do they think about it?

• 3:03:13Speaker 00

  Uh, the Vatican knows. There's several vaults around the world. Actually, the Vatican tried to break into one of the vaults a few years ago. There's a vault also in Istanbul that the, uh, that was an old Templar vault. It, it has.

• 3:03:31Speaker 00

  It it's this one is the one in Istanbul's. It actually has one of those boxes like in the Serapeum.

• 3:03:40Speaker 00

  But it's down underground and there's certain artifacts that are in it. And the order was protecting that for a long time now. Turkish antiquities protects it. But they know about it and they they keep us informed too about. It and and but a few years ago, the Vatican tried to break into it. So they're they're they're hunting for these things.

• 3:04:11Speaker 00

  But they don't know where this is. So.

• 3:04:15Danny Jones?

  How would has anyone verified or like tried to do testing on the bones?

• 3:04:22Speaker 00

  Not yet, but that's something we want to do. That's part of the that's part of the.

• 3:04:28Danny Jones?

  How would you confirm or deny that it was from Jesus? It was Jesus?

• 3:04:32Speaker 00

  Well, we know.

• 3:04:37Speaker 00

  How should I say this is sensitive information?

• 3:04:43Speaker 00

  So there are. As I understand it, certain fragments that exist that were found recently in the Talpiat tomb.

• 3:04:56Danny Jones?

  Where's that?

• 3:04:56Speaker 00

  In the Osawarys in East Jerusalem. Those were these were this is originally where these bones came from back in the during the time of the Crusades. It's where they pulled them out of.

• 3:05:09Speaker 00

  So we would be able to match.

• 3:05:14Speaker 00

  Assuming the story all lines up with what our history has said and the ship logs and everything else.

• 3:05:26Speaker 00

  We would be able to verify that these bones match in DNA to the fragments that they've found in the Talpiat tomb recently, first of all. And then that would place them with that. And then at that point, any other genetic testing would be, you know, could be done publicly so that people are aware of everything. We're not trying to hide it. We've just been trying to protect it. It was, it was very much understood when this tomb was discovered that, which had the names of the Jesus and Mary Magdalene and John

• 3:06:08Speaker 00

  the Baptist on the ossuaries, that, that if these had been turned over to the Vatican, that they would have just disappeared, you know, if they'd been turned over to the Pope, they, they would have made them disappear because it, it is, it is contrary to the Christian faith.

• 3:06:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:06:37Speaker 00

  Right?

• 3:06:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:06:40Speaker 00

  If the, at least the modern interpretation.

• 3:06:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:44Speaker 00

  Now, from a Templar standpoint, it is, there's no contradiction because the Templars, Templars believe that the, the resurrection, again, was the anastasis. It was just the awakening denosis. So there wasn't necessarily a bodily resurrection to begin with.

• 3:07:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:07:10Speaker 00

  And from a Templar perspective, we also believe in reincarnation. And we believe that there are passages in the New Testament that, that justify reincarnation. And so...

• 3:07:26Speaker 00

  To us, the, you know, being born again is literally just being born again. You know what I mean? Um, and, uh, and that, uh, one of the mysteries, the mystery of, one of the mysteries of the Christos, that universal consciousness is realizing that, uh, A, you don't ever really die, right? You, you, you just change, you know, your, your soul lives on. And, uh, and B, you can reincarnate and, uh, and that, uh,

• 3:08:04Speaker 00

  it's all a part of that universal consciousness as we, as we go in and out of that.

• 3:08:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:08:10Speaker 00

  And, uh, and it's all about that universal consciousness coming to know itself in, in new ways. So, um, and this is why, by the way, this is why even in the New Testament, the, the disciples, they go to Jesus and they say, uh, Jesus, the people are saying that the prophet Elias has come back. And Jesus says, well, he has come back, but most people don't recognize who he is. And then it says, and then the disciples understood he was referring to John the Baptist. Well, that's implying that the prophet Elias, that John, that John the Baptist is the reincarnation

• 3:08:55Speaker 00

  of the prophet Elias, right? Because we know who John the Baptist's parents were. So we know he was born.

• 3:09:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:09:03Speaker 00

  So if he, if he's coming back, if he's the prophet Elias coming back, then that means he's the reincarnation of the prophet Elias.

• 3:09:13Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:09:14Speaker 00

  Right? But that's not how it's normally taught in churches.

• 3:09:18Danny Jones?

  No.

• 3:09:18Speaker 00

  Right? Or in Christian doctrine.

• 3:09:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:09:20Speaker 00

  But it's right there in, in the New Testament. And so to tumblers, it's not, it's not a, it's not a problem that we found the bones, right? It doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't still exist. He's just means he's reincarnated in some other form, you know?

• 3:09:38Danny Jones?

  Wow, man.

• 3:09:40Speaker 00

  This has been, oh, what do we got Patreon?

• 3:09:42Danny Jones?

  We got some people on Patreon to ask you some questions.

• 3:09:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:09:45Danny Jones?

  We're gonna wrap up the podcast. Thank you again for doing this, man. This was mind bending.

• 3:09:49Speaker 00

  A lot of information all over the place.

• 3:09:51Danny Jones?

  Where can people find you online and get in touch with you if they want to?

• 3:09:56Speaker 00

  They can, well, they can certainly find me on Facebook.

• 3:10:00Speaker 00

  Timothy W. Hogan, or also there's a Timothy Hogan page, author page. You can find me on, you can also find me on Instagram. You can find me on

• 3:10:16Speaker 00

  Twitter or X.

• 3:10:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, just shoot me the links and I'll put them in the, in the show notes below.

• 3:10:23Speaker 00

  Sounds good.

• 3:10:23Danny Jones?

  Sweet. All right, man, we're going to hop on over to Patreon. That's linked below if y'all want to check it out.

• 3:10:29Speaker 00

  Good night, world.

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