NIL Millions & Grammy Dreams with Flau’Jae Johnson

LSU star-captain and rapper Flau’Jae Johnson is rewriting what it looks like to be a college athlete in the NIL era. She breaks down becoming one of the NCAA’s highest earners, why the WNBA can wait, and how she juggles two dream careers at once. Keke and Flau’Jae vibe instantly as two multi-hyphenates getting real about pressure, purpose, and the momagers running point behind the scenes. And they let a few bars and hoops fly. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Keke Palmer?

  Today's guest is living proof that you don't have to choose between your passions. You can dominate both. I'm sitting down with a young woman who's rewriting the playbook on and off the court. NCAA baller, Roc Nation rapper, NIL queen, the one and only, Flage Johnson. But beyond the stats and the streams, she's a young woman carrying the legacy of her father, carving out her own lane and shifting the culture in women's sport. We're talking rhythm, resilience, leadership, and what it means to be a real role model in today's world. So, let's get into it.

• 1:23Keke Palmer?

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• 1:44Keke Palmer?

  Hey, Baby, this is Keke Palmer. We're so excited to have you on, girl.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:49Keke Palmer?

  Thank you for being here. Now, we do a little pre-show pull-up. You know, I wanted to get to know my folks when they're coming in and hang out. So, let's see what you answered for these pre-show questions. So, today, I'm giving fashion with a side of vibes. Okay, I love that, and I do feel that.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:03Keke Palmer?

  The moment you came in, I felt the vibes were very chill.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:07Keke Palmer?

  Very cute.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Just very there.

• 2:08Keke Palmer?

  Outfit is just very there.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I said fashion because I don't usually do denims, you know what I'm saying? But then, you know, you see the gold with the...

• 2:17Keke Palmer?

  The shoes.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  I ain't gotta say too much.

• 2:18Keke Palmer?

  And with the chain, you being very low key, but we're seeing the flex.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  But you see the details.

• 2:23Keke Palmer?

  Ah, yes, Scorpio.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Vibes.

• 2:25Keke Palmer?

  Okay, today's mood in one word, lit. So tell me about that, what do you mean by lit?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Man, I'm on fire, like, I just left like a great meeting, you know what I'm saying, a music meeting.

• 2:34Keke Palmer?

  I know, that's right.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying, and, you know, it just gave me a lot of perspective, so I'm kinda in that mode, like, I'm, I'm, my eyes are like, I'm trying to see what's next.

• 2:40Keke Palmer?

  When you come to LA, do you feel like it's hella work time? Cause I do feel like, I feel like that about LA, there's always a meeting, there's always something to do.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  I feel like that about LA, but it's chill, cause they got a beach. New York, I feel like, it'd be straight work and traffic, traffic and work.

• 2:53Keke Palmer?

  You ain't never lied.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Ex, LA's more true.

• 2:55Keke Palmer?

  Cause why y'all got so much traffic in the streets? I just never understood that.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Bruh, traffic is not real. I'm so over traffic, I, I be telling people, like, just drive.

• 3:02Keke Palmer?

  Okay, what did you listen to on the ride here? None, nothing. I talked the whole time.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Why did I write like I'm Texas? Yeah, no, I, I'm, I be talking, I just be yapping. That's why I was excited to come, so.

• 3:14Keke Palmer?

  Yes, okay, then we have one thing that instantly makes you laugh, smiling.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:18Keke Palmer?

  It do be like that, when you look at somebody, you just smile, you just start laughing.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  That's a fact. I just laugh, though, I just, I be chilling.

• 3:23Keke Palmer?

  You just have such great things going on. You got like 12 jobs, so I feel like we're the same.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Yes, we are the same.

• 3:29Keke Palmer?

  Girl, we working all the time. I mean, in the morning, how do you decide, and maybe not even the morning, but maybe the month, or that week, what am I gonna focus on the most?

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Yes. You know, Kiki, this is why I'm, I'm glad I'm talking to you, because I talked to somebody that understands, right? I'm like, I'm chasing something that's like never really been done before, like, you know what I'm saying? I wanna be like the first WNBA player that won a WNBA championship and a Grammy, right? See what I'm saying?

• 3:53Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Those are heights that I wanna reach, and so I think, man, it's all mental, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's so mental and it's so strategic with me, like, it's like, somebody tell you like, no, keep your focus on this, but it's like, I wanna do this, this, this, and this.

• 4:05Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  So I'm intentional about three things, right? Three small things, but that'll give me like 21 things a week that I did, you see what I'm saying?

• 4:14Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  So I have to break it down into small pieces, cause if not, I'll really get distracted and I'll be like, it's overwhelming, I can't do it. But I had to learn how to break it down and stop trying to do everything in one day and stop trying to rush stuff, but just give myself a time and a pace. And then I could just check small stuff off the list.

• 4:28Keke Palmer?

  That's actually the same way that I am, because people ask me that same question, and it's not like, I mean, I wanna say that I look at the big picture all the time, but I don't. I take it day by day. I look at what is most, you know, important this week. If I got a performance, I'm gonna focus on the performance. If I've got my, Baby to Keke Palmer, I'm gonna focus on what I gotta do, who is my guest. I just take it day by day, and as long as I, we put a hundred percent into what it is that we gotta do that day, we gonna get wherever we trying to go.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Exactly, that, that preparation.

• 4:53Keke Palmer?

  That, girl, that preparation. You know, my mom used to always tell me, like, Kiki, you, you, your me- your mentality be like an athlete, and I really feel like, you make me feel like that, because it's just about that discipline, and that focus. Like, if I'm prepared, nobody can get me.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 5:07Keke Palmer?

  Okay, now, I wanna talk about the last time that you shocked yourself, because you do do so many things. You've accomplished so many things, whether it be in sports, whether it be in music, you got your podcast. Is there something that you've accomplished thus far, that you were like, damn, I'm really, this is really it?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  No, literally, I did like an interview, and the guy just was naming my accolades, accolades in front of my name, and I was like, dang, like, you know what I'm saying, like, and I was like, wow, I've done so much, but like, the biggest thing I say was the, like, just doing the song with Lil Wayne.

• 5:42Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I know that was.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Him bringing me out at Louisiana Fest, like, I think in the moment, I didn't like really appreciate it, but then when I look back, I was like, but it's one of the greatest of all time.

• 5:53Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Exactly. And he pouring into me in like the beginning of my career, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just felt like that was something I, I can't like sweep under the rug, like, that was dope.

• 6:04Keke Palmer?

  That's very dope. I mean, speaking of, I mean, like, yeah, you a rap star steady on the rise, LSU basketball captain, and one of the highest paid student athletes out here, thanks to NIL. But it comes with some pressure, I'm sure, so I wanna talk about like, you know, when was the moment that you realized, I'm not gonna pick one lane? I'm just gonna dominate every lane that I decide to, to step in?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  I can't take the credit, my mama did it, cuz mama did it, mama did it.

• 6:29Keke Palmer?

  That's my mama too.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I was on America's Got Talent, right? I did America's Got Talent, I got the golden buzzer, whatever, woo woo woo.

• 6:35Keke Palmer?

  Yes, girl!

• 6:36Speaker 01

  And then after that, I was like, bruh, I wanna play basketball, like, I wanna follow my passion. And then I was like, I'm, I wanna quit, like, I wanna quit music. And my mom was like, quit music? She was like, you just won America's Got Talent, you gonna do both. And I'm like, alright, I do both. I act like I'm rapping, I act like I'm, but I wasn't really, but it just kinda became my routine to do both. So now when people be telling me like, how do you do it? Like, how do you get up at 5 a.m. and you do all this stuff? I'm like, it's my routine. I've been doing this since high school. You see what I'm saying? So my mama gave me that vision. And I'm just the type of person, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna be the best at it.

• 7:06Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, cuz why am I even doing? I can't half-ass nothing, mama.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Everything's a competition with me, like, I'm trying to be the best at it, yes.

• 7:13Keke Palmer?

  Shout out to your mom. My mom is the same way. My mom used to always tell me that. Cuz people would try to tell me, okay, are you a singer? Are you an actress? Are you this? And I'm like, so you a baller.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Come on, come on.

• 7:20Keke Palmer?

  You can say you semi-davidian. You can sing, you can dance, you can act, you can host. Whatever they need you to do. That's your talent, your gift. And I think it's dope to see people like us in the multifaceted lane getting the opportunity to continue to push that forward. Because why pick one thing if you got a lot to give?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Right, you know what inspired me? And I, I'm gonna sound very young, but like Jamie Foxx?

• 7:39Keke Palmer?

  Girl, yes.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 7:41Keke Palmer?

  Jamie Foxx, I mean, icon.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  I mean, like, when I seen the thing at the B.T. Awards, I was looking at this in real time. And I'm like, this is not the same guy. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I was like, wow. Like, like, this is what excellence look like, like, fulfilling every lane.

• 7:58Keke Palmer?

  I could not agree with you more. There's this one particular, it's very popular, but his one stand-up show where he went from, obviously, he's doing stand-up, but then he also got down and started singing and doing all these different impressions from Luther Vandross to Babyface to everybody doing Brady Bunch.

• 8:13Keke Palmer?

  I was like, why would you be so good and funny? And, you know, so, yeah, he's definitely somebody I look up to as well. That just has done great in every single lane.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  No doubt about it.

• 8:23Keke Palmer?

  So let's talk about Lifetime's Rap Battle. What was it like? Cuz that was your first time stepping on a stage like that. What were you, 12 years old?

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Yep. I was 12, turned 13 on the rap game, right, with Jermaine Dupri. And it was just this house of kids rapping.

• 8:36Keke Palmer?

  Yep, I love that show.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Bro, what?

• 8:37Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  I told my mom, when I first seen the first season, like, with Lotto and them, I was like, I gotta get on that show. Ended up getting on there, bruh, that show changed my life. I ain't gonna lie, because... It was, uh, like artist development.

• 8:48Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  It was artist development, and I feel like right now, that's what's missing in the game. Thousand percent, million percent.

• 8:54Keke Palmer?

  Y'all can't see, but everybody here in the room went up.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  No, literally, like, artist development, like, artists not being developed no more.

• 8:59Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  They don't, they don't, they don't go.

• 9:00Keke Palmer?

  They not getting a chance to cook. Let them cook.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Let them cook.

• 9:03Keke Palmer?

  Y'all put them in the fast food and just let them out there. You can't do that. And that's, and that's one thing that I think people sleep on. I don't know if they sleep on it, but it's great to always bring it up, that Jermaine Dupri was amazing at. I mean, Jermaine Dupri has been incredible in helping to develop artists, like. I mean, even when we just started at the beginning with Bow Wow. It's like, Bow Wow was iconic. I mean, what he was able to accomplish, kids ain't, you know, that ain't easy to do.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 9:28Keke Palmer?

  You know, and we forget about that because we just know what it is. But that's why I like when he did the rap game, because it gave people a chance to see what it takes to help train that next young person to be their full potential.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Facts. And it was so hard, though, because he'd just throw you in the sharks, like. You know what I'm saying? Like, we got a radio interview today, we got a photo shoot today, we got a this, we got a performance, you got rehearsal.

• 9:48Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  But it really taught you the ropes of the game, and then how to be like a star, right? And then just how to have your own aura with it.

• 9:55Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Come on, have your own aura with it, because that's a part of it, too. Like, you can only see so much and learn so much, and then at a certain point, you had to figure out how to transmute your voice through it.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? It's like, it can't be on you, it gotta be in you, you know?

• 10:06Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Now, I do want to go back to America's Got Talent, when you were, when you, uh, got the golden buzzer. But I want to talk about what you performed.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:13Keke Palmer?

  Because you actually were honoring your dad and speaking out against gun violence. I know your father passed, uh, due to gun violence. So, what was it like for you to, to perform that and then also receive immediate, you know, like, wound from it?

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Well, it was really crazy. It was, it was insane. It was because, you got thing going on, America's Got Talent, you know, that's like a certain demographic, so I'm like.

• 10:33Keke Palmer?

  Very commercial.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Exactly. I'm a young black girl going on the show, they doing magic tricks. You know what I'm saying? Folks jumping out the sky. You got singers. So I'm like, how am I gonna make these people feel me, like, coming on this stage? And I know, I feel like. Music is a universal language, like no matter rap, country, pop, whatever. Like if you speaking the truth, bro, somebody gonna connect with that.

• 10:52Keke Palmer?

  One thousand.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  And so I just went out there, I was like, bro, I'm gonna tell my story. And, you know, my father being murdered, like, it really was, like, for me as a kid, I didn't really understand it, but the only way I could really comprehend it was through music. And I feel like we had that connection, so I just really wanted to go tell that story. And I told it beautifully and it resonated. And it was crazy, cause like, I was nervous, but Simon at the end, he came to the back. He was like, I don't know much about rap music, but like, you gonna be a star, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you, you have that power. And so, ever since then, I went back to school, I was like, bro, I don't know what y'all got going on. But Simon Cowell just told me I'm a star, like, you know what I'm saying?

• 11:29Keke Palmer?

  And he don't think nobody is a star.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Exactly. Before I went on, he asked somebody, he was like, get off the stage. And I was like, oh my god, like, I was like, he was doing that, like, he was like, get off the stage. And then I was like, bro, I gotta go next, bro, like, why, why would you do that? Like, bruh.

• 11:43Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, that is so funny. Yeah, you definitely nailed that. And it was just, I mean, anytime somebody can put their heart into what they do, you know what I mean? I'm sorry that your father, your father asked.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 11:52Keke Palmer?

  Um, you said in people that you feel rhythm and pace in your basketball game are the same in the way that you do music. And that was dope for me to hear, because I actually see, um, that with acting. Like, my lines is all rhythmic to me. In the same way that I think about music, when I'm pacing in a scene, I hear it in like a beat. You know, when I'm going, when I'm sparring back and forth, whether it's a drama or a comedy. So I'm curious for you, like, how does it show up for you when you in your zone?

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, it's kinda like that, that zen mode, you see what I'm saying? Like, I know when I'm playing at a certain pace, like, my, my energy, my zen is like all aligned, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes you know when you in that mode.

• 12:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  I don't know how acting go, but I feel like if I was in my character and I was hitting them lines, I might not even hit a direct to say cut, you feel me?

• 12:37Keke Palmer?

  Yes, it's like your mind goes.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  You in another mode.

• 12:40Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  That's where I be.

• 12:41Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  With the basketball and with the music, you just gotta play at your pace. I got a question.

• 12:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  But I've never seen an actor, a movie, or anything shoot, how is that like, you know, do you gotta go in knowing the whole movie, like, you know what I'm saying?

• 12:54Keke Palmer?

  So you actually don't have to, I mean- Some people do, like if, if, some people are like that, like if it's like a theater actor or somebody that's used to like doing everything as a whole, they might know all they seen, you know, to a certain degree. Right. Myself, I've always done one scene at a time. Like I read the script, so I know what the whole movie is about. Right. And then I just go from what we have on the day. So like every day, they'll say you have seen one, nine, 10, or whatever. And I look at them either the night before, sometimes the morning of. Be like that? Your girl be like, "Ay." Um, and then I read my lines, I know what it's gonna be, and then we just shoot the scene and I move on to the next, you know? You just, you memorize them as much as you can. I mean, sometimes people don't be memorizing them and you just gotta do the scene again. But I feel like, you know, I just take it day by day, scene by scene.

• 13:39Keke Palmer?

  You know, you know, that's real. You know, I'm gonna ask you for some more acting advice, cuz I got this British accent I've been working on since about the sixth grade, and I got it. I'm telling you, I- Okay, let's go. So we, I can try one, I don't, mine's isn't great, don't judge me. Let's do it.

• 14:00Keke Palmer?

  Ah, I just had the most incredible time in Chicago, and I cannot stop thinking about it. I just hosted my debut Airbnb original experience, and honey, it was absolutely everything. Let me set the scene. One amazing Chicago kitchen, me and my pops bringing the energy, the coolest people ever, and a local chef who was straight fire. Okay, we weren't just cooking, we were creating magic, making memories and filling that space with so much laughter and love. This wasn't your average cooking class, okay? We walked in as strangers with recipes and walked out as friends with stories. Dad had the whole room dying with his play-by-play commentary, and watching cooking newbies turn into kitchen pros, absolutely priceless.

• 14:45Keke Palmer?

  The food was restaurant-level amazing, but what really got me was seeing confidence bloom and watching instant friendships form over every shared bite. Some of life's best adventures happen in the most intimate setting, and you can find them through Airbnb experiences.

• 15:03Keke Palmer?

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• 15:07Keke Palmer?

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• 15:52Keke Palmer?

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• 16:36Keke Palmer?

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• 17:18Keke Palmer?

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• 17:25Keke Palmer?

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• 17:45Speaker 01

  Let's just bounce off of each other.

• 17:48Keke Palmer?

  So Flojay, darling, darling. So, you know, what did you eat this morning?

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Well, I woke up and I had a little bit of tea. A little bit of toast. I don't like a lot of carbs.

• 18:00Keke Palmer?

  A little bit of toast?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Just a little bit. And I know, you know, where I'm from, my homeland, we like to make a little soup in the morning, so.

• 18:05Keke Palmer?

  A soup?

• 18:06Speaker 01

  I don't really, yeah.

• 18:07Keke Palmer?

  What kind of soup?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  It's like a tomato base.

• 18:09Keke Palmer?

  Oh, I love tomato base.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 18:11Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love tomato with a little bit of green cheese. A little bit of a crumpet.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Oh, that was really good.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 18:20Keke Palmer?

  You are too funny. And I'm so mad you don't know your big three because I need to know. I'm gonna find that out at some point.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  We can figure it out.

• 18:30Keke Palmer?

  Okay, you talked about control, more in the studio, less on the court. What did that mean? Like, which one teaches you what about yourself?

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Okay, listen, let me tell you. The, uh, I feel like basketball is just a sport that keeps you humble, right? Because in music, I can control everything. Like, we dropping this, they, I'm gonna record this. You know what I'm saying? But in basketball, it's not about me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's bigger than me. It's like, I'm working in a system to make something else work for something.

• 18:53Keke Palmer?

  That's how I feel about acting. Because it's a movie. It's a bigger picture.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:57Keke Palmer?

  You know?

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Exactly. Wow, that's pretty cool.

• 18:59Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  And it's just like, it's not about you. So basketball really taught me just like how to give better empathy, I think. That's what I'm trying to say, like, empathize for other people and really understand their point of view. Because I have to lead my team.

• 19:11Keke Palmer?

  I was about to say, that makes sense that you think like that and that's probably why you became the captain. Because you know how to get everybody together.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you know, I mean, you gotta be really good too, but it's not, it's not, you got really good players that can't connect with a team. You know what I'm saying? You got really good players that can't have people follow them to the promised land. So, you know, you gotta build that into your team. Like, even my music team, I'm trying to tell them like, This won't work without my starting five. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't play three positions. You see what I'm saying? So, it's like all about empowering your team and making sure you got the right people around you.

• 19:42Keke Palmer?

  What are the people that you look at? I mean, maybe they could be in sports, or maybe they're not, that have that mentality that you, you know, that you followed or that you got, you know, encouragement from or inspiration from?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Man, I read a lot of books. So, this is a book I read, it says, "Black Billionaire." He's passed, but his name was Reginald Lewis, right? And I just read his book, because I was trying to figure out, like, I'm growing up and I'm seeing, like, some of my friends, they married, some of my friends pregnant. And I'm just like, why do people not go to the level that they want to be at, right? And the book was like, man, the man Reginald, he was just different, right? But he had this mindset that he always wanted more, right? And that's my mindset. Like, I always want more, but like, it's never enough. And that's why sometimes I'm basking my accomplishments like that, because I just feel like I want more. But man, it's just like, sometimes you're just different. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you're different and you just gotta live in that, and you gotta accept that, and you gotta make greatness out of that. And so, that's what, like, my mindset.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  So, I say Reginald Lewis, like, big time.

• 20:37Keke Palmer?

  I love that you said that, because it's so true. When I was in my teenage years, I would research a lot, and I would wonder actually the same thing that you're talking about. How do I, like, what's the difference between me and the people that I

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 20:47Keke Palmer?

  And it was the way they think. It's just their mindset. And so, I would start reading up on stuff, too, watching interviews, looking up philosophers, like, what is the way that you motherfuckers thinking? Because I'm about to change my synopsis. Today! So, I really love that. I'm about to have to look up Reginald, to check him out.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  You gotta check him out.

• 21:06Keke Palmer?

  Now, you said something really, really real in a full-court press. You said, "I just feel like people can't wrap their heads around too much greatness." Do you feel, and maybe that was just, you know, not even you talking about yourself, but if it also includes you, do you ever feel underestimated even now?

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I was talking about me. But, but, but no, it was, it was just like, I don't think people, like, the fact that I rap at an elite level, and then I play basketball at an elite level, they'd be like, like, there's no way she's doing this. Like, somebody told me, like, "I know you're not writing your stuff. Like, I know you got a ghostwriter." I'm like, "Bro, I freestyle." Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they, they want to, but it's

• 21:42Keke Palmer?

  And even if people did write with me, that don't mean that I, that doesn't mean or take away from my ability.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Facts, right. But I do, I do love the writers, though, don't get me wrong. But like, it's like, When you, when you doing that, like, I feel like people can't wrap their head around it because we was taught, okay, you gonna go to school, you gonna get a job, you know what I'm saying, you gonna get some good benefits, and you gonna retire. And so, somebody doing something a little bit out of the box scares people. You know what I'm saying? It scares them, so, I don't know, I feel like sometimes they can't wrap their mind around it, like...

• 22:10Keke Palmer?

  I think it's so true what you're saying, what you're hitting on is like, you know, not to go too woo-woo with it, but it's like, it's like a projection, it's like,

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:17Keke Palmer?

  if I'm told that I had to choose, and then you're not choosing, well, now I'm feeling like you need to choose, otherwise, what I've, the box I put myself in becomes a prison. You know what I mean? And it's like, I'm sorry, because you can, by the way, the prison that you're in, you have the key to unlock it.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  You got the key to...

• 22:33Keke Palmer?

  And by the way, you supposed to be looking at me and knowing that.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Come on, Kiki. Come on, Kiki, I can't stop. Literally.

• 22:40Keke Palmer?

  I really feel you, because I'm, I'm in the same kind of way where it's like, I'm not trying to do anything but be me.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 22:45Keke Palmer?

  I'm not trying, like, it's just who I am. Whether it's this, that, or whatever, I'm just doing me, it ain't meant to step on your toes.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  You know what it is? Seen this thing on Twitter, got to say it. This picture of a baby elephant, right, they tied the rope around his legs, and he couldn't move. You know what I'm saying? So, he got older, he a big elephant now, they tied a rope around his leg, he won't even attempt to move now. Think about it.

• 23:08Keke Palmer?

  It's just like them flies when they put that top over the cup. They keep trying to go up, they keep trying to go up, and once they eventually take that top off that cup,

• 23:15Speaker 01

  They don't even fly no more.

• 23:16Keke Palmer?

  They don't even fly no more, it's so true, and it's, I've had this conversation with people in my life to think like, you know, it's not like you're trying to be an inspiration, but you would hope when people see you doing they thing, it can unconsciously give them permission to do the same.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Motivation.

• 23:28Keke Palmer?

  But when they're being like that elephant, or those flies, it does, it sometimes makes you feel discouraged, because it's like, man, like, you can do it. You know what I mean? I want you to know that you can do it, but, at the end of the day, those who see, do, those who don't, won't.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, friends, I tried to put on, like, I'm like, you could play this position right here, like, I know you can do this with me, and we can grow, and it is, sometimes people mindset, it ain't there yet, you know what I'm saying?

• 23:52Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, it's true, it's true. Now, you're using your voice, speaking of, beyond the court and mic, from ESPN's docu-series, Full Court Press, to your own podcast, Best of Both Worlds. I mean, what was it like watching yourself back in a documentary? Because I imagine that's probably very eerie.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't watch it. I don't, it's one thing, I don't watch stuff back. Like, The Rap Game, never watched it. American Got Talent, don't, my mom be playing, turn it off, like, I don't know, like, I get the ick a little bit sometimes. Like, the documentary, the only reason I watched it was the first episode, because we had a premiere. You know what I'm saying? And then I seen it random, when I was at the casino, just on the thing. But I don't really, I don't really be watching, but I watched that one. I ain't gonna lie, I watched that one. It was like, honestly, like, when I see myself, it kind of just like, made me think like, I really came from a small town, like, you know what I'm saying?

• 24:40Keke Palmer?

  What, what, what town did you?

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Savannah, Georgia.

• 24:42Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, I love Savannah, though.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  For real?

• 24:44Keke Palmer?

  I love Savannah, they're really, they're, they're trying to do some stuff.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  They coming, yeah, they getting it together, they getting it together.

• 24:49Keke Palmer?

  Anyway, sorry, go ahead.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  No, it's getting together, they building all them buildings.

• 24:52Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Uh, but not like, it's like, I come from a small town, like, you know what I'm saying? I, I could have been like anybody, like, I had every excuse to be like, this didn't go right in my life, so I'mma quit. But like, all of my pain, like, made me persevere. And I just want to show that to all the little girls around the world, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, every little girl, like, bro, like, you can do it. And this, this, like, when we talking about mindset, like, that's what I preach.

• 25:13Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  That's what I preach, like, because we just be trapped in our own mind, like, you know what I'm saying? I, I always tell them, like, when I leave an interview, I be like, my favorite quote, she who says she can and she who says she can't are both usually right. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's all about what you think in your mindset. So that's why I try to just preach that to the girls, because I know what my life finna go like. If I'm on this little path right here, and I believe in myself, and I got my mama with me, like, I'mma be good.

• 25:37Keke Palmer?

  Woo, girl, I feel like, I, I feel the exact same way. Everything you said right now, 100%, and it's for them kids.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  For the kids.

• 25:47Keke Palmer?

  For the kids, that's what it is, that's what it's about, always, everything I do, for the kids.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  The kids.

• 25:52Keke Palmer?

  Now, what made you want to start your podcast, maybe a little bit of what we talking about right now?

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Facts, no, it's that, I wanted to, I, I hate in sports, like, people creating, like, narratives, right? And I hate that athletes are sometimes like, hey, bro, just play ball, you know? You know what I'm saying? Just play ball, like, you know what I'm saying? Basically, it's another story to tell. And it's so, I wanted to hear, like, people that I was inspired by. Like, ask them questions. Like, you know what I'm saying? I like, sit here and ask questions like, how, how did you do? Like, what was your mindset? Like, why would, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm just a real, like,

• 26:21Keke Palmer?

  Curious person.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  I'm curious and I love the information. I just wanna know, what can I take from your experience to make my experience better? Cause I feel like that's what life is about. My coach, Bob Starkey, he was like, A good player learns from their mistakes. A great player learns from the mistakes of others. So I'll just be trying to like, what did you do? Like, what was your process like? What was your mindset? That was really the main reason why I wanna start my podcast.

• 26:43Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, have you had a favorite guest so far?

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Man, I had so many good guests, like, probably Candace Parker.

• 26:50Keke Palmer?

  Oh, yes!

• 26:52Speaker 01

  She was super cool. I had a lot of people, though. Alexis, I had a lot of great, I can't, I can't just narrow it down.

• 26:57Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, well, shout out to Candace.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yes, shout out to Candace, thanks.

• 27:00Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so we talked about you doing, uh, you know, it came out a beast featuring Lil Wayne.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:06Keke Palmer?

  On Best of Both Worlds. Really, I mean, obviously, that was a huge collab for you. But when you're working with anybody that you're collaborating with, whether it's NLE Choppa, To Rare, Bia Pusha T, like, how do you decide what your future collabs are gonna be?

• 27:19Speaker 01

  A lot of my collabs come like organically, right? Because I'm never really outside. I'm usually in the gym, I don't really go places. But when I wanna connect with an artist, like, and they, they give you that love back. Like, you know how it go in the industry? People will connect, but it might not, never have, might happen years down the line, like, paperwork, all of you, like, bruh, don't even worry about it no more. You know what I'm saying? But those are the people that I kinda just genuinely connected with. And, um, that's kinda how I wanna do it. Like, I learn in the industry, it's a lot of stuff that you can do just because. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. Like, if we gonna create, like, I wanna be friends. Like, I wanna share that energy, like, that real music in the studio. We creating, we vibing, like, that's the vibe I want. So that's kinda how I go about it, I'm not gonna lie.

• 27:58Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that's real.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, facts.

• 28:00Keke Palmer?

  That's real. Who are some of your inspirations? I know your father was also a musician, a rapper. Um, so probably him, but outside of your dad, who would you say are people that you look up to?

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Well, I would say like Lauryn Hill.

• 28:10Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 28:12Speaker 01

  But that no doubt about it, uh, I grew up on Nikki. I grew up on Nikki when I was like, I swear I was a barb.

• 28:17Keke Palmer?

  And the theatrics and the drama and the characters, it really is next level.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  No, just looking back as ours now, is just seeing how she, her, just, you know, how she was into character.

• 28:28Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  She was in a character, like, you know what I'm saying? I love that. And, um, let me see, let me see, let me see. I love Queen Latifah.

• 28:35Keke Palmer?

  Girl, come on, you nineteen.

• 28:39Keke Palmer?

  Queen was always like.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Queen is that girl. Queen is that girl.

• 28:44Keke Palmer?

  And Back was always. I love Queen.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Queen Latifah.

• 28:48Keke Palmer?

  One of my biggest inspirations.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  And then we'll go Missy Elliott, like, just her crea- creativity, just, you know, being a dark-skinned woman and like, really just being in the game and just demanding that space.

• 28:58Keke Palmer?

  And doing unique stuff.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  It was so different.

• 29:04Keke Palmer?

  What you doing, girl? Who's got the keys to my room?

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Like insane, like, it would never be another because you could tell that was just created out of pure joy and just like uniqueness, like, she didn't care. She didn't care.

• 29:18Keke Palmer?

  Without a doubt.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  She didn't care.

• 29:19Keke Palmer?

  Now, your new album, Flaw and B. So I'm a big R and B girlie. I gotta know what made you wanna make sure you got into your R and B bag, girl? We needed that.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Literally. I was just like, I was in the studio one day and somebody was like, I was like, you know, doing ad lib, somebody was like, you could like, sing a little bit, like.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Like, like, you could hold a note. And I was like, for real? And then I just start dabbling, you know what I'm saying, with it, and then I dropped, I dropped For Your Love before, and then I was like, I gotta run this R and B thing back, and then I dropped Flaw and B, and like, it's like my most streamed stuff, like, my song on the way is like, it just outstreams all of my music every week. It's so irritating. It's so irritating, right?

• 30:03Keke Palmer?

  You never know what the fans is gonna rock with. It's crazy. Now, what's your writing vibe? Are you like, I got all the homies in the studio, or is it just you and, you know, yourself and I?

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, when I get in the studio, I'm a little Gothic. I like all the lights off.

• 30:16Keke Palmer?

  Yes, God.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I like all the lights off, no, maybe a candle, maybe. But no, it's just literally just me and my engineer, Flaco. He's been with me since high school.

• 30:25Keke Palmer?

  Wow, shout out to him.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout out to Flac. And man, we just get into it, and I turn the lights off, I close my eyes, and I freestyle, right? And I pick the best type of, you know, melodies, flows. Probably don't even know words, but, and then I write. Or sometimes I just have some on my heart and I write, but it's usually most of the time freestyles for a friend.

• 30:43Keke Palmer?

  That's fire.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 30:44Keke Palmer?

  Now, you talk about your dad camouflage. Uh, your name is, is kind of, uh, is it after your dad?

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:50Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that's what's up. Now, in your music, I mean, obviously, he's an inspiration for you in your music, but then your mom is also your manager. That's legacy emotion, like, it's kind of all interconnected.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  It's beautiful.

• 31:00Keke Palmer?

  What do you think is the first song that made you feel like, yeah, I'm continuing my dad's legacy?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Of his or of mine?

• 31:07Keke Palmer?

  Just knowing that, yeah, of yours and just like that I'm continuing what my family started.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Oh, it was probably like my Ready or Not freestyle. Ooh, it's so good, like.

• 31:17Keke Palmer?

  It's so good.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  It's, it was, it, it was my, like, moment, like, flaw, like, you can do something special. That was the one.

• 31:26Keke Palmer?

  It is so cool, I think, when, like, family is inve- ingested in what it is you do. Like, I mean, I don't know if it's just, like, my mom was also an artist, you know what I'm saying? My dad's an artist, like, my dad, they both did, like, theater and stuff like that, but when I started doing what I was doing, I definitely felt like there was a generational, like, evolution, you know what I'm saying? When you feel that connection in there with you and what you do, it adds a different layer, I think, to, like, what you want your legacy to be and, like, the, the, the passion that you put behind what you're doing. Because you know, like, it's an answer to what they started.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  It's something more, yeah, like, that's, and that's why I go so hard for this music and for my dad, because I feel like my dad's dream was just taken from him. You know what I'm saying? Like, his name was taken from him, you know what I'm saying? And so, it's like, it's like a responsibility almost, you know what I'm saying? Like, I have to do this and I have to be great and I have to succeed, like. It's kind of, sometimes you don't want to wake up in the morning and then you be like, ay, it's bigger, like, get up. You know what I'm saying?

• 32:20Keke Palmer?

  I feel the exact same way.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  So you got, that's why, that's what, then when people be saying, talking about their why. Like that why is really important.

• 32:26Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's so many of our families, especially, you know, black people, like, taken away from their lives or taken away in spirit. Like, there's so many doors that were closed on them that it's like, if I'm the baby that's gotta break through, well, here I am.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, even just doing it for our people too, like, just thinking about all the things that they, they were robbed of, that they didn't have the chance or the opportunity, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, you gotta put your best foot forward. That's why I was like, like, people like you and it's just like our whole, like, a lot of people that's just creating and giving space for other people. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just like you let me come on this topic and give my opportunity, like, that's like, that's super dope and that's paying it forward, so. So we gotta continue to do that.

• 33:04Keke Palmer?

  I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm so glad that you own the show.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, facts.

• 33:08Keke Palmer?

  Now, your mom is managing, like I said. My mom also is my manager.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  K-Mamager?

• 33:12Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, exactly. So I was gonna ask you, how has it been over the many years that you've been doing your thing? You guys figuring out how to balance the whole personal mom and my business partner thing? Cause it took my mom and myself years.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Okay, good, okay, good. I gotta say, figuring it out, that's the main thing.

• 33:36Keke Palmer?

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• 34:21Keke Palmer?

  And trust me, when I tell you Ross has got the range. Every single vibe you're trying to serve this season for every piece of the holidays, and all for less. So take it from me, show up and show out this holiday season, period. Work your magic with Ross.

• 34:39Keke Palmer?

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• 35:23Keke Palmer?

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• 35:58Speaker 01

  First, I want to give my mom her flowers real quick. Yes, my mom negotiates all of my NIL deals. All, every deal I've ever had, she negotiated. She at the tables with the big dog. Yes. Got the gift of gab. Mama didn't have no experience going into, but duh. Like, I'm just like, ain't nobody gonna represent me better than my mom. No. Nobody gonna have your best interest better than your mom. Mama ain't worried about getting a check on the back end. Mama ain't like, mama gonna, ay, what's best for my child? So, like, having her in my corner, tins. Now, figuring out how to work together to own that store. You know, bro, we went through this phase in high school. You know the phase.

• 36:34Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I know the phase.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  You know the phase.

• 36:36Keke Palmer?

  I know.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  I think I know everything. She know, she know everything that I think I know. And I, I had to start just, I had to start listening to my mom.

• 36:44Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, for sure. Me too.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  I had to start listening.

• 36:46Keke Palmer?

  I had to really shut up.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had to start listening, cuz I started, okay, my momma did say that, and then it happened. And she was like, oh, some, some producer tell you, but when I tell you, you don't wanna do it. I'm like, all right, well, all right, but yeah. I had to just start listening for real, for real, and just, you know, just kinda give my momma respect. I'm like, my momma doing big deals, like, she know what she talking about. You know what I'm saying?

• 37:05Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. I mean, speaking of the big deals, like we were saying, I mean, you've inked over, what, forty NIL deals? And become one of the highest earning student athletes?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Mm, mm, mm.

• 37:14Keke Palmer?

  Um, I mean, that's kinda crazy. And we seen on, on the money, that your mom is making smart moves. And like, you guys aren't just thinking about what's happening in this moment, but thinking about it long term. I mean, how are you thinking about it when you think about building your future and having these collaborations? Like, what, what mindset did you have to jump into?

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. I get like, sometimes I check my bank account, I get scared.

• 37:35Keke Palmer?

  Girl, yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Like?

• 37:36Keke Palmer?

  I bet.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Like, but I've never had this much money before, like.

• 37:40Keke Palmer?

  Very spooky.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  I don't ever, like, I don't, like, like, bro, like, ah, my momma, she play tricks on me. I don't get to see my bank account all the time. She do like period, like, period check-ins, like, hey, look what you got now, you better keep working.

• 37:51Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  But when I see it, I'm like, wow, like, I want, I don't wanna lose it. Like, I don't wanna be like to everybody else. And athletes get a hundred million dollar contracts, then go bankrupt. I'm like, no, how can we create some wealth? And then for my little brothers, I'm like, my little, little brothers, they live a totally different life, like.

• 38:06Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  They live a totally different.

• 38:08Keke Palmer?

  Me and the twins, my little brother and sister, they are very much so living a different life.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they live a totally different life. So I'm like, I, I just like, just gotta keep going for generations. So I try to invest. My momma, momma set me up, bruh, she, twenty acres, she bought me twenty acres of land. Well, I told her I wanted to buy some land, and she bought twenty. And I was like, dang. Exactly. Now we building developments, uh, we about to build a whole community, like, on the land.

• 38:31Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that is so dope. I really love real estate and stuff, too. I mean, everybody has their thing of what they be thinking about they wanna do.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 38:38Keke Palmer?

  Some people are into stocks, some people are, you know, but I do love real estate. I love land.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:41Keke Palmer?

  Because that stuff can appreciate, and then you can, you can pass it down. I know, it feels much more real and tangible.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Tangible.

• 38:46Keke Palmer?

  Yes, exactly, girl. So shout out to mom.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 38:49Keke Palmer?

  When was it for you that you feel that financial literacy hit? Because I talk about it all the time, like. Economics, I mean, it's not really in schools enough for us to really know what's happening. I mean, you have business managers, but then there's so many different types of business management. And what is your business?

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:05Keke Palmer?

  It's like, how did you start rolling yourself, getting yourself to be understanding that?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It's crazy, you said that my 12th year, my 12th grade year of high school, bro, like, we had this small, little, terrible course. Cartoon, talking about debit or credit, financial woo-woo. It was like a week-long course, right? Literally. And I'm like, it intrigued me, because I'm like, in my mind, I'm broke right now, but I'm finna be rich, so I need to know about this.

• 39:28Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? So, I'm like, I gotta understand. So I started, you know, I started reading my own books. I started watching like, more podcasts, Earn Your Leisure, like, stuff like that, just to kind of understand what was going on. You know. And then, uh, when I got to college, you know, NIL came, I started getting money, they started giving us people. And then, I was like, bro, I gotta educate the people. This year, I did an NIL deal with Experian, and we relieved $5 million in debt for 5,000 families in Louisiana. And every time I won a basketball game this year, it was 100,000 added to the pot in the tournament, and we had six games. So, we end up like relieving 5.6 million dollars in debt. And, um, I'm doing now a financial literacy, whole thing program, whatever's coming.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  But it's just about helping people in our community, just about financial literacy and things like that. So, once I learned about it, and I'm still learning, I was like, bro, I gotta share this information. So people understand how to use their money, you know what I'm saying?

• 40:24Keke Palmer?

  Yes. I love what you say, because those are my favorite type of collaborations. Like, you know, anytime I can collaborate with someone, they can help me give back to the community. You can count on your girl to be involved. You know what I mean? Because that's what it's about. Like, how you, okay, we helping me, but how I'm helping my people?

• 40:38Speaker 01

  How I help my people. That's, and I always wanted to do a deal like that, because I'm like, bro, like, okay, I'm gonna get my money, woo-woo, cool.

• 40:43Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  But like, if you can really help people, like, I hate a deal where it's like, yo, we gonna give to this charity, but nobody ever really is.

• 40:49Keke Palmer?

  Heard of it.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  No, yeah, like, but this, I seen videos, the girl made a video, like, Flajay, this your face on the mail? She was like, bro, you just, you just, you just changed these things for me. I was like, wow, like, that's what I want to do. I want to impact real people.

• 41:02Keke Palmer?

  That's a good partner. That's a really good partner. Um, what is one lesson, I mean, you might have already said it, but if there is something that you could say a little tidbit to a young person that's just getting their money stuff going, or trying to figure out, what would you, what advice would you give them on financial literacy?

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Just um, use your credit card like your debit card. Like, don't even use your debit card for like, just, you know, use your credit. Pay them people back on time.

• 41:27Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  But also, just don't spend more than you, than more than you have, like. I'm so cheap, y'all, like.

• 41:33Keke Palmer?

  No, legitimately.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  I'm so cheap, like, my bro was like, this Chrome Hearts? I said, baby, this is Forever 21, like. I don't play, like, I, like, I, I, I did a couple of erratic purchases.

• 41:46Keke Palmer?

  I mean, have your splurges, but it's like, your splurges should be making sense to what you got in the account. You shouldn't have to be getting more debt in order to have the splurge. Your splurge should be within the amount of what you.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  In the parameters.

• 41:57Keke Palmer?

  In the parameter, yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  But just save, like, just save.

• 42:01Keke Palmer?

  And they got so many good boutiques now, you don't even need to.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Literally, literally.

• 42:05Keke Palmer?

  The boutiques is what's tearing me up.

• 42:08Keke Palmer?

  They keep showing them to me on the algorithm, god damn.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  On TikTok, too, I be like, bye.

• 42:13Keke Palmer?

  Girl, and you be just like, oh, it's just 20 dollars.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  It's just 20.

• 42:16Keke Palmer?

  Nah, it's a hun, cause I played around.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  I'm saying.

• 42:19Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, anyhow. Now, I mean, I feel like when I was younger, women's sports didn't get half of the attention that it's getting now. And it really makes me so happy, cause I remember when I was a kid, my first album, So I'm Cool, I would literally be touring with the WNBA, performing at their halftime show.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  What?

• 42:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes, y'all gotta go and look that up on YouTube. Cause your girl was like, yes, yes, yes. So I'm really happy to see, I mean, the attendance is way up. LSU, the games feel like a freaking concert.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  It's a movie.

• 42:48Keke Palmer?

  Do you feel like the NIL actually helped to boost that spotlight? Like, is that a part of what has changed? Like, what do you, I'm sure it's more than one thing, but what do you think has, you know, was it the deals and the camp? Like, what made it more popular now? Because, I mean, women have been killing it.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally.

• 43:04Keke Palmer?

  The game was always gaming.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  I can't put my finger on it, bruh. I'm gonna just say, social media, right?

• 43:10Keke Palmer?

  Sure, sure.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  With the whirlwind of NIL, with the whirlwind of just players being able to now show their personalities on and off the court. So I give social media a lot of it, because now, people are investing in the players' lives. Like, oh, what she posted on TikTok, what she wearing, what she just? So I think it's different, but I think it's just all kinda just. World went into a big moment and then now you have superstars and now you have all type of things. So, I mean, I think the women's sports is just on the rise, not even just basketball, women's sports. And so, you know, I think it's just important that we just keep amplifying it. But you gotta buy in right now because it's gonna be huge.

• 43:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and it also is interesting to me too because like, once you guys go pro, sometimes there's a big discrepancy in the pay.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely.

• 43:53Keke Palmer?

  Which is, what is the reason for that? And did that kind of help you make your decision of not wanting to go pro so soon?

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, no, no, no doubt about it. I mean, ah, this year they're negotiating the CBA. So they're bargaining about, you know, payment and, you know, other things like that. And so, I was just like, I'm gonna wait, you know what I'm saying? I'm, I'm, I'm good in college, you know, making a lot of money. Uh, but they, they, they, they still figuring out the CBA. So I was just like, and then they might go on strike, like I seen that too, like they literally might go on strike.

• 44:26Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  And so, I was just like, yeah, no, they don't, they don't really have it together right now. I'm gonna stay an extra year.

• 44:32Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, you just want to see what's going on.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  The money though, like, you know, going into the WNBA, like, just how it is right now, like you not finna.

• 44:40Keke Palmer?

  And what is the reason? Like, is it just because you guys can't take as many deals? Or is it like, whatever?

• 44:45Speaker 01

  But the salary is just the salary, you see what I'm saying? But I be telling people like, bro, my partners that I work with in, in college, we cool. That's just gonna become a bigger deal, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna become an endorsement.

• 44:55Keke Palmer?

  Exactly, and that's why in my mind, I'm like, the salary is the salary, but the endorsement deal should be able to remain.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. I think, I think people got a lot of misconfusion about that, for sure.

• 45:04Keke Palmer?

  But I do hate the discrepancy of the pay wage because we got NBA players that's like 10 million dollars and up. And then the women are like 100 to 200,000, it's so insane.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Cooper Flag new deal is like 60 million dollars. Like, he was the number one pick, I think it's like near 60 million. And like the number one pick for the WNBA. Uh, if I'm

• 45:23Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  It's like a hundred and fifty?

• 45:25Keke Palmer?

  But the funny thing, I, and it's like, it's like, it's terrible and I hate that, but I do like the point that you're bringing up because it's the same thing for our discrepancies in our industry. Like what we get, how we get to pay with our salaries and the comparison to males or even racially different.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yes, I seen that.

• 45:39Keke Palmer?

  But the truth also is, is like, the brand deals are the brand deals.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:43Keke Palmer?

  You know, the salary can be one thing and that definitely should be, continue to be fought, but don't get it twisted because people are making their money

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 45:50Keke Palmer?

  A lot of other ways, more than you would expect them to be. So it's kind of like, while we want to get those system changings, I do want to also tell people like, there's no one way to skin a cat. Your money don't have one door to come into.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Now, that is a fact. And that's what I'm trying to get people to understand, like, if you build your brand right now in college, you will make.

• 46:09Keke Palmer?

  I love how the legs ended up turning.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Yes, because you turned me up a little bit.

• 46:13Keke Palmer?

  Because it got real, because you know I'm talking about.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:16Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  And I see, I, I always see like the stories about like Taraji P. Hensons and the actors and the pay cuts and, you know, so I, I, I'm very, very interested in that, but yeah, man, like, if you build your brand, if Keke Palmer dropped into college basketball right now and you said you were a star basketball player, even if you weren't a star, Kiki, you, you would make a good ten mil.

• 46:36Keke Palmer?

  And that's why I tell people, that's why I always try to put, you know, when I changed my career from just being a traditional actor and I started working on my social media content creating and my brand, uh, it, it all changed.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Bags everywhere.

• 46:48Keke Palmer?

  And so it was like, then it became a choice of if I want to do this job, not I have to do this job. And if they're not paying what I want, or if I care about the material, I can decide it by choice. Because I have this, I have this, and I have that. And that's why I always say like, while you looking at people telling them they doing too much, maybe you not doing enough.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  You're not doing enough.

• 47:06Keke Palmer?

  Get another job.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  I've been telling my friends, y'all post that content, people don't understand what like building your brand can do for you.

• 47:13Keke Palmer?

  Man, it changes everything.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Your brand, I didn't understand until I got into these rooms that my, my face gave me leverage in business.

• 47:20Keke Palmer?

  My mama told me, when you wear an outfit, that outfit's more expensive.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 47:24Keke Palmer?

  Get into it.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Get into it.

• 47:26Keke Palmer?

  Get into it.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Get into it.

• 47:27Keke Palmer?

  What you touch is because of you. Girl, I love that. You better put these people on. So, there's another thing I want to talk about and get your opinion on too when it comes to the NIL deals coming in. Because then it seems like people give y'all more pressure on, if you're gonna be taking that money, you gotta kill it on court.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 47:43Keke Palmer?

  I mean, even Shaq was saying some stuff like that about, what was it, on the money game? If you making that money, you gotta be perfect.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:49Keke Palmer?

  So, how do you feel? I mean, do you agree that that's kind of true? Or do you feel that the pressure that you get from now making money on the side is, you know what I mean?

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, for me, ain't no pressure. Because let me tell you, I feel like this is a long time coming. These schools been making billions of dollars off athletes for years and years and years, right? Now, me personally, I don't play for the check, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's, when I, when I, I'm kind of grateful. It's, it's a grateful thing. I look at my, I'm kind of like, why I get paid to do what I was gonna do anyway? I was gonna get up and go work out at 5 a.m. anyway. Like, this is not an incentive for me, so you can't worry about that. It could, you could, it could just motivate you.

• 48:28Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Because sometimes I be like, fly, you go hell in this game, boy, you got an NIL deal at the door. You see what I'm saying? But I don't, I don't let it be like, oh, if I don't play this well, like, I'm not deserving of my money. No, I work, so you know, like, that's just what's gonna come with it.

• 48:41Keke Palmer?

  Well, you mentioned that work, and I just wanted to quickly ask, because I like to work out too. Like, what, what are your, what, for you as an athlete, your type of sport? What is your main focus? Are you really heavy on the cardio? Are you just doing like the different like practice things of the, of y'all's? Stop, you know, no, just like, what are y'all be doing? No, I got in your workout.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Okay, no, for me, well, it's just like what you want to do. Like, if, like, I want to become faster, so I'm working on a lot of agility, speed. Um, I want to be stronger, so I'm working on my strength. Um, and I have to work on my cardio every day. Like, if you want to be a real athlete.

• 49:12Keke Palmer?

  That's that basketball, y'all that running up and down the court?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Think about it, we don't stop.

• 49:16Keke Palmer?

  Y'all is gonna kill me with that [BLEEP]. I feel like, oh boy, you killing me with this [BLEEP]. Like, that I can't deal with. Like, girl, I've tried to dribble and run at the same time, I must die. That [BLEEP] easy.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  No, it's not, no.

• 49:29Keke Palmer?

  It's not.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Bro, when I be seeing regular people play basketball, I be like, I forget how hard this sport is.

• 49:34Keke Palmer?

  Because you're great at it.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally. But no, like, uh, that's, like, it's whatever you want to focus on. Like, I do a lot of skill work though, so I work out two times a day on the court. Basketball skills, hour, hour forty-five, and then, you know.

• 49:46Keke Palmer?

  God, you're fabulous.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Thank you. Then I get my little pump in, my workout, gotta stay strong, and then, uh, uh, the biggest part is recovery, though. You know, you gotta recover your body.

• 49:56Keke Palmer?

  Get into that quickly, because I be seeing sometimes y'all do the most craziest things. Y'all freezing, and then y'all hot, and then y'all, like, what do y'all be doing?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Contrast, yeah, so, you ever did cryo?

• 50:04Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I've done it before, it's, I mean, it's, it's painful, but I mean, I try to hold on.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't do it, uh, uh, I, oh, I did it one time, it was over with me. But like, you know, they say LeBron James spent a million dollars on his body, so you gotta understand how important recovery is. Like, if you don't replenish this, like, how your body gonna work? My coach, Simone Augustin, she told me, it's like, you don't wanna put no, no standard gas in a Ferrari. Like, you gonna put premium in it, you know what I'm saying? You gonna put the highest grade, so, you know, just really take care of your body is really important. I try to tell younger athletes, just stretch, in the morning, ten-minute stretch, like, you know what I'm saying, things like that.

• 50:37Keke Palmer?

  I be trying to do the same thing, I remember I hit up Savannah one time in her DMs, I said, "Look, I've heard about that your husband spends a lot of money on his body. Please tell me where y'all go for the lymphatic..."

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Please tell me where y'all go.

• 50:45Keke Palmer?

  "Tell me where y'all go for the lymphatic drainage, I just need help." And she sent me the number, I said, "Savannah, you rich."

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, real one.

• 50:52Keke Palmer?

  "Give me these LeBron contacts, cuz I need to keep my body up." Okay, um, like we were saying, I mean, you're a team captain now, and that leadership role, it means something different than, you know, today than five years ago. What does being a leader in this era of college sports mean to you?

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Uh, it, it means a lot to me, because I had to learn how to lead, you know what I'm saying? And it's hard, it's hard to lead when today you wake up, right? And don't nobody know, like, you, you probably got the worst call of your life. Nobody know, but you gotta keep it P, you gotta come do your job, you gotta clear, cheer and clap for others. You see what I'm saying? You gotta act like everything okay, and you have to, cuz like, this is what I signed up for, like, this is my job, like. Uh, e- every day I gotta play basketball, no matter what's going on. That was the hardest thing that I had to learn, and last year I battled with that. Like, I, like, be, like, in my head, like...

• 51:50Speaker 01

  I didn't understand how important it was, no matter what type of game I'm having, no matter what type of day I'm having, to pouring to my teammates.

• 51:57Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Cause they get a lot of their confidence from me. Like, we go as you go, that's what they was telling me. And so that's what I really understood, that's what I really learned. So this year is gonna be like my walking testimony, like, am I gonna be able to, all the lessons that I done learned, all the stuff that I done learned, all the things that I know I need to change, am I gonna be able to do that? And I'm excited to take on that challenge, cause I wanna be that person. Like, I wanna be consistent, I wanna be somebody that my teammates can count on. Like, I wanna be, you know, reliable and consistent with myself, so... That's gonna take a whole nother type of discipline within my routine, you know, within my energy, like, when I pray, my connection with God, like, it's gonna take a lot from me. But I'm willing to take on that challenge, cause I really wanna be great and I really want my team to do something. And I know if I bring greatness every day and I set that standard, they have no choice but to follow, you know what I'm saying?

• 52:43Speaker 01

  So, that is like, that's what I'm being intentional about this year.

• 52:48Keke Palmer?

  I have no doubt in my mind that you gonna accomplish all that anymore.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 52:51Keke Palmer?

  I have no doubt in my mind, they're really lucky to have you.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 52:54Keke Palmer?

  Really. So, before we get into our gang, you know the fans want a little bar or something, so I mean, hit us with your favorite line you ever written, just, you know, one little quick one too.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Favorite line I ever written? I'ma tell you, I'ma wrap the, what I told you about, what I said.

• 53:07Keke Palmer?

  The ready or not?

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 53:08Keke Palmer?

  Okay. You see I be listening?

• 53:10Speaker 01

  You do be listening. I might have to do another one then, okay, I'll do it, I'll do it. Uh, "It's crazy, I'm the one they want to represent, young black girl. I could probably be the president, I'm the voice of the youth. You hear my tone, I think it's evident, I know who I am. They mistake my confidence for arrogance, I, I think it's different. Cause I don't take my clothes off, I just play my role, dawg. I can't sell my soul, y'all. I just shoot a three, put my arm up, I guess I show off. They sleep, I let them doze off, wake them up, oh yeah, it's roll call. My chocolate is beautiful, I'm rocking it per usual. I'm loving every piece, man, from my top until my cuticles. Trying to play with my head, real love won't be confusing you. I learned make sure the one you putting first is also choosing you."

• 53:47Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 53:47Speaker 01

  We gonna live right there, we just gonna cut it off.

• 53:49Keke Palmer?

  Yes! Yeah, you ate that! I love the intellectual and like, I'm letting you know, and it's like I got myself together.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  You see what I'm saying?

• 53:58Keke Palmer?

  Hold your head high, sis. Yes!

• 54:00Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 54:01Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it's queen, queen everything.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  That's what we get.

• 54:04Keke Palmer?

  Okay, now let's get into this gang.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 54:09Keke Palmer?

  I'm gonna ask some questions. Flajay's got some questions, but only if we miss the shot we shoot. So, um, go ahead Flajay. Go first.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  You ain't gonna be there, ask me no questions. I ain't missing.

• 54:21Keke Palmer?

  Did you miss?

• 54:22Speaker 01

  I made it.

• 54:22Keke Palmer?

  I blinked, you made it. Okay, well, I'm gonna ask you a question anyway, because you're right, you're a professional athlete. That's not really fair. Okay, so,

• 54:31Keke Palmer?

  WNBA Mount Rushmore. Who are your top four?

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Oh my, uh...

• 54:37Speaker 01

  We gotta go Maya Moore.

• 54:38Keke Palmer?

  Okay, Maya Moore.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  We gotta go Cheryl Swoops.

• 54:41Keke Palmer?

  Okay, come on Cheryl.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  We gotta go Candace Parker. Rookie MVP in the same season. That's crazy, rookie to your MVP. And then we gotta go Sue Byrne.

• 54:50Keke Palmer?

  Sue Byrne.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  That's four, Mount Rushmore, right?

• 54:53Keke Palmer?

  Okay, that's it.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  That's a valid list.

• 54:56Keke Palmer?

  Shout out to them.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Okay, you dropped my confessions and had the internet shook. Shoot your shot. Should Usher be on the remix or what?

• 55:02Keke Palmer?

  Hell yeah. I think that would be dope. You know, but honestly, it would also be great if women were on the remix. Like, if we had, like, a little Mariah. Sciences.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Ooh, I love Mariah.

• 55:11Keke Palmer?

  I love her. You know what I mean? Like, if some of the ladies, Summer Walker.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 55:16Keke Palmer?

  You know, so we could cut up.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  That's facts.

• 55:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  All right, my go.

• 55:19Keke Palmer?

  She gonna get it again. This is why you don't play with professionals.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Just ask me, just ask me.

• 55:23Keke Palmer?

  Okay, you're on the XXL freshman cover, and they hand you the mic. What's the headline under your photo?

• 55:30Speaker 01

  They gonna hand me the mic?

• 55:31Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. What's the headline under your photo?

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Oh, Flajay had the best XXL freestyle. Like, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Oh, I, I, I'm...

• 55:38Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  What? They gonna say Flajay got bars. She the freshman of the XXL.

• 55:44Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Period. No complaints.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Here we go. Come on, give me something.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Kiki.

• 55:51Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 55:55Keke Palmer?

  You see, I had to do all that.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Come on. All right, man, all right, man. All right, I'm, okay, I gotta ask you too.

• 56:01Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  You've played a lot of roles, but shoot your shot. What's one character you'd love to play that hasn't happened yet?

• 56:07Keke Palmer?

  Well, you know they got that new Bodyguard coming. Go on there, let me do the role.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  You might as well. Let me do the, let me do the role. That show energy though.

• 56:16Keke Palmer?

  They done already did too many Whitney Houston movies. I can't, you know what I'm saying? But I could do the movie that Whitney Houston was in.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  No doubt about it.

• 56:22Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Bodyguard.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  Y'all see what's going on.

• 56:24Keke Palmer?

  Henda.

• 56:29Keke Palmer?

  Okay, it's you actually. I was about to go again.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  I had to trick shots with you.

• 56:36Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  So good.

• 56:38Keke Palmer?

  You really was gonna stunt on me like that? That's crazy.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  So I can miss, so I can miss.

• 56:42Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so let me see. If you were given a signature deal tomorrow, are we going high top or low top?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  I can see everybody saying like the low tops are causing injuries.

• 56:53Keke Palmer?

  Really?

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, they saying that. It was like, you know, the Achilles tears. Like, everybody who wore them like had on low top shoes, so... I still can't wear no high tops. I'ma go low top. I'ma go low top. I can't do it, bruh. It's... I can do mid top.

• 57:05Keke Palmer?

  All I know is I want the shoe. Because I know the shoe will be eating down.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  You know what? I got something for you.

• 57:11Keke Palmer?

  Girl, you need to hook me up. Okay, here we go.

• 57:18Keke Palmer?

  That was really stupid.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Okay, you always stay booked. What's one role you passed on that you will reclaim today if they offered you again?

• 57:31Keke Palmer?

  That I will reclaim today?

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:33Keke Palmer?

  I haven't passed on a lot of roles. I mean, I passed on this one movie that, uh... What is his name? He's a great actor. He did La La Land. He also did, um, Drive. He also did Barbie. Ryan Gosling. He did a movie called Half Nelson, where, um, he was a drug addict teacher and his student was selling him drugs. And Sharon was like, "You can't go from spelling to selling drugs."

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Oh, you must have been a dealer.

• 57:59Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, I would have been a dealer. And she was like, "No, no." Um, I don't know if I would have wanted that movie again, but I would have... I would have liked to work with Ryan.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 58:07Keke Palmer?

  But I agreed with her. You know, we couldn't go from spelling to the kids to selling their drugs.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 58:13Keke Palmer?

  Um, yeah, that... that's my thought on that.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  That's real. All right, come on, here we go.

• 58:18Keke Palmer?

  Here we go. Oh, I'm so glad you're doing this. She's doing this just for me, y'all. This is literally just for me. She's playing. Okay, so what is one label, one brand, or platform that slept on you, but you know will spin the block?

• 58:37Keke Palmer?

  If that even exists.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Slept on me? Okay, they ain't sleeping on me, but like, I need Chipotle to come on. Like, everybody know, if you follow me, if you follow me, you know how I feel about Chipotle and my deal ain't come through.

• 58:51Keke Palmer?

  I need a special Flajay Chipotle bowl. What we got in it? Go. We got beans?

• 58:59Speaker 01

  They gonna call me a big bag. I know it on, I know it on the command. I'm trying to tell you. I got white rice, black beans, triple stack, a little bit of pico, double corn, cheese, guacamole, and lettuce with a little chip on the side.

• 59:10Keke Palmer?

  That's the Flajay Chipotle bowl. Don't play. We need it today.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  Ooh!

• 59:14Keke Palmer?

  We need it today.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Today.

• 59:17Keke Palmer?

  Girl, that sounds good.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  And have Kiki in the commercial, for sure.

• 59:19Keke Palmer?

  Okay, I pop up in that mug.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 59:22Keke Palmer?

  Oops. Okay, here we go.

• 59:26Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh!

• 59:28Keke Palmer?

  It's you, by the way. This is how your leadership is.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  The aura!

• 59:32Keke Palmer?

  The aura is orifying me.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  The aura?

• 59:34Keke Palmer?

  You're orifying me.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Orifying. I like that. All right. Shoot your shot. A product you last used that you enjoy and would love to collab with.

• 59:42Keke Palmer?

  Oh, that's a really good question. The product I last used that I would like to collab with. You know, I really did just have some fun wearing some Gucci. The other day.

• 59:56Keke Palmer?

  So. Do with that what you will.

• 1:00:04Keke Palmer?

  Period. Okay, last one?

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Oh, last one? All right, I'm trying to make this one. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go between, step back.

• 1:00:13Keke Palmer?

  Ooh!

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Oh, man!

• 1:00:15Keke Palmer?

  Shush! In this mug? I'm trying to pick the best last one. DM confession, who's in there and why haven't you answered yet?

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  I ain't gonna lie, one of the craziest DMs I got was Teddy Riley, like, "Oh my gosh, I love Teddy." Bro, he DM'd me, he was like, "Your music, you're..." And I was like, I'm like, this a prank, like, you know what I'm saying? But, oh, it was verified and everything. Teddy Riley.

• 1:00:39Keke Palmer?

  Teddy Riley's incredible.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Teddy Riley DM'd me.

• 1:00:41Keke Palmer?

  Wow!

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  That was crazy.

• 1:00:42Keke Palmer?

  Well, we're in to get on Teddy Riley's DM. And you are just amazing, Flajay. Seriously, I already knew you were amazing and I was already a fan, but this conversation with you, like, you're a really remarkable young woman. I'm so glad that you came on, baby. This is Keke Palmer.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  So glad to be on here, baby.

• 1:00:55Keke Palmer?

  And whoop my ass, very easy.

• 1:00:58Keke Palmer?

  Kiki's love.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Appreciate that.

• 1:01:04Keke Palmer?

  Flau'Jae isn't just balancing two careers. She's building something way bigger than a brand. She's showing us what it means to walk in your purpose, honor your roots, and keep reaching for more. Whether she's rapping, running the court, or representing for the next generation, she's doing it all with intention, inspiring others to dream bigger, move smarter, and own their power. She's not just changing the game. She's changing what's possible. And baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:01:43Keke Palmer?

  "Baby, This Is Keke Palmer" is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Siegel is our post-producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nester. Hillary Esti McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Aaron O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

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