KHC 106 - Back on the Horse

Join us for a discussion with Cam and (Gideon) James G. Williams as they cover upcoming guests, highlights from 2024 and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/ Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.com/cam use code CAM for 15% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro: Current Football Standings 0:04:55 James’ First Ultra Race 0:09:13 “Spike Camp”, Cam’s Hyperbaric Treatment & 0:15:51 Speedland Roy Roth GS:RAR Shoes 0:17:38 Nine Line and Virtual Reality 0:19:45 Giveaway Details 0:23:11 Ad Break 0:25:36 Top Moments of 2024 0:37:48 Upcoming Podcasts & the Pains of Long Distance Running 0:46:42 Outro

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective with, this is new and exciting because we've got Giddy in here, but we also have Connor, a new addition.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Also known as Larry.

• 0:27Cameron Hanes?

  To the staff, and we're excited. He's gonna go through all my archival footage, and we're gonna make some cool stuff. So, let's welcome, let's all welcome Connor to the fore.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Turn the clap sign on.

• 0:43Cameron Hanes?

  Applause.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  You didn't introduce yourself.

• 0:47Cameron Hanes?

  I am Kramer and Hanes.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  AKA Sausage Nose.

• 0:50Cameron Hanes?

  That's right, that's right. That, that was, I was so pumped when I found that letter today. Because I, I remember reading that, like, years ago, and then today I was looking for all that old footage for Larry, Connor, and I was like, old computer, I hadn't even opened the computer in forever, and I don't even know why I was opening this computer bag, but then in a secret pocket of the computer bag, I go, "What's this letter?" And it's like, "Oh my god, it's this Sausage Nose letter. Thank god. It's awesome."

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Ah, I hope you found it and were like, "Oh, it's probably a nice letter."

• 1:26Cameron Hanes?

  No, I would never keep a nice letter. That's not, that's not how I operate.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Well, I figured we should explain why it's been so long.

• 1:36Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, let's do it.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Basically, I'm a huge fuck-up.

• 1:42Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, so...

• 1:44Cameron Hanes?

  But, I mean, we knew that.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, everyone can put the blame on me.

• 1:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  But we're back.

• 1:52Cameron Hanes?

  We're back with a vengeance?

• 1:53Speaker 01

  We are so back. Unfortunately, Oregon is not back.

• 1:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oregon?

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, god. God, that was fucking brutal.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  They treated us like a high school team.

• 2:06Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man, that was...

• 2:09Cameron Hanes?

  There was a moment in the second half where if if ifs and ands were pots and pans, the whole world would rattle. But if we could stop them and when Dennis scored, it would have been like, let's see, what would have been 24?

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Maybe 24, 32, something like earth. Yeah.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. If we got the extra, the two point conversion.

• 2:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And then,

• 2:39Cameron Hanes?

  whatever. But instead, we didn't score, then they wouldn't scored. So then it was like 1741 or whatever the hell it was.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  It was rough.

• 2:47Cameron Hanes?

  God.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all right. It's the Boise State loss too. That's where Connor's from. So Texas is our last hope.

• 2:57Cameron Hanes?

  Texas barely got out of that Arizona State game.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  That was a crazy game.

• 3:03Cameron Hanes?

  Fourth and 12, all Arizona State had to do is get a stop and they blitzed like 12 people and forget to put anybody back.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  They're the touchdown.

• 3:14Cameron Hanes?

  And it's just like, just don't give up a touchdown. Don't get beat behind you. Oh, my God.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  I loved that. But.

• 3:23Cameron Hanes?

  One stop is all they needed. But anyway, yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:26Cameron Hanes?

  Whatever.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  And Notre Dame just beat Georgia.

• 3:29Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 3:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I don't know about these playoffs. It's nuts that like, so you got to go through the whole regular season and then you got to win four more. Some of these teams, four more games. That's like a half season right there.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, and I don't understand how they set up the ranking system because I don't know. Some teams, like the first round, there were no good games.

• 3:54Cameron Hanes?

  Ohio State should have been higher than eighth. That's what screwed us.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  They might be the best team in the country.

• 4:00Cameron Hanes?

  They are. I think they should be number one.

• 4:04Cameron Hanes?

  But uh, yeah, they, they looked pretty dominant yesterday and that fucking receiver they got.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then that, that uh, Sawyer guy on defense.

• 4:14Cameron Hanes?

  Defense. I know. It's brutal.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Unbelievable, but.

• 4:18Cameron Hanes?

  Dylan Gabriel looked like he was my height out there.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Which sucks because it's, it's 13th season playing college football.

• 4:26Cameron Hanes?

  He's 45. I know.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  He's like that guy on the bench warmers. He's like, are you sure you're 12?

• 4:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I think we might get the Texas quarterback though.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 4:38Cameron Hanes?

  Next year.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  You were, oh no, yours are going to the NFL. Manning?

• 4:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, no. You, yours.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Yours is going to come to Oregon?

• 4:44Cameron Hanes?

  They're saying he's had offers for six million a year from NIL.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  I'd take it. Yeah. They got Manning anyways.

• 4:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that was a bummer. Um.

• 4:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that sucked.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  We got a little bit to catch up on.

• 4:57Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  The most important of being that I'm a hybrid athlete now. Hybrid ultra.

• 5:01Cameron Hanes?

  You are? Oh, yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah. I thought we talked about that, did we?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh shit.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:07Cameron Hanes?

  So yeah, you dominated that ultra.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  I won my uh, division.

• 5:12Cameron Hanes?

  The non-binary.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Non-binary division.

• 5:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I blew the competition out of the water.

• 5:18Cameron Hanes?

  How was your first ultra?

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Um, there was a couple of times on that last lap, I wanted to cry.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  And, and it did, it was because it hurt so bad, but I was so angry because of how bad it hurt.

• 5:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  And stopping didn't help it.

• 5:34Cameron Hanes?

  You know, that's the thing. You stop and you're not getting any closer to being done.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  No, that.

• 5:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's like, but you need to keep going and it hurts so bad.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  That's what sucked is like, I have to keep, there was no choice. It's like, this is bullshit.

• 5:49Cameron Hanes?

  Especially where it's far on the backside and you're like, I mean, I guess a helicopter could get here.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:57Cameron Hanes?

  But it's only like three miles to the finish.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Where's one of those guys in the Gators to drive me down?

• 6:03Cameron Hanes?

  Oh God, I know.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I uh, I felt great for the first 18 miles.

• 6:13Cameron Hanes?

  Really? You felt good for 18?

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:15Cameron Hanes?

  Is that, that was almost, let's see, three laps would have been 20 some miles, right?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was just shy of, yeah, I think the third lap ended with 24. So like halfway through the second one, or halfway through the third lap, I felt good. I think, you know, I was still running eight 30s and nines on the flats during that time. When I passed you, I felt really good. And then it was a couple hundred yards after that. So when I hit the wall. Yeah, but it was good. Somehow I got it done. We don't know how.

• 6:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's impressive.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  I don't think anyone believed I was gonna do it.

• 6:50Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I knew, well, the thing is, is like, people can do it. I mean, physically, you can do it.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 6:56Cameron Hanes?

  It's just how much pain do you want to go through? And most people, they have to start dealing with every step hurts and they're just figure out some way to get out and just quit. I mean, I saw a guy, just saw him with, he was running with Wayne the other day, and he said, he finished. I think he was way back too, but point is, he finished. And last year, he quit on lap three.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I talked to that guy.

• 7:21Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, did you? Yeah, nice guy.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, super nice.

• 7:23Cameron Hanes?

  So he got the finish.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 7:25Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, I mean, just that is such a win.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:30Cameron Hanes?

  Because it's so far, it was a shitty day, muddy.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:36Cameron Hanes?

  It hurts. It's like, man, 50K is legit.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, that last lap, you know, coming down off the top, the sun came out, beautiful sunset. That gave me a little bit of energy, but this kid passed me and he was like, come on, bro, let's finish strong.

• 7:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  And I was in so much pain, I looked at him, I just said, fuck you.

• 7:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's the beautiful spirit of Ultra. So you're just that common man and let's help each other out.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  I apologized to him.

• 8:07Cameron Hanes?

  You haven't developed that skill yet, or that attribute.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  When I am in pain, I don't want anyone to talk to me.

• 8:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 8:15Cameron Hanes?

  I think a lot of people are like that.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that was good. I think I want to do another one.

• 8:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, kudos. That was, that's impressive.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  But yeah, after, right after I was like, I never want to run again.

• 8:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  And now I'm like, seven hours is pretty slow. I want to do it faster.

• 8:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I always say the first one, time doesn't matter.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:36Cameron Hanes?

  Just, just get the finish.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:38Cameron Hanes?

  Just getting that fucking medal or whatever the hell it is.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  I didn't get anything.

• 8:43Cameron Hanes?

  Well, you got, well, good job. You got a good job.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I got a high five.

• 8:49Cameron Hanes?

  No medal?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 8:50Cameron Hanes?

  Why? Too slow?

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Maybe it's because I came in, so they packed up all the medals.

• 8:56Cameron Hanes?

  After seven hours, they're like, yeah, no, we got to get going. No, I don't know. I thought you should have got a finisher medal.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  No, it's okay. I don't want the participation award.

• 9:07Cameron Hanes?

  Uh huh.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 9:09Cameron Hanes?

  It's, it's a big accomplishment, though.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen you've been running a lot.

• 9:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  What's that about?

• 9:17Cameron Hanes?

  I'm getting ready for this fricking gauntlet that's gonna be shoved up my ass on January 25th.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  That's on a different website.

• 9:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  That's paid for content.

• 9:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's on OnlyFans.

• 9:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so we got Taylor's Race. It's called, what is it, Spike Camp? Is that what it's called? Yeah. So on Pisgah, 12 hours of fun on Pisgah. How many times, how many summits can you do up the main trail?

• 9:52Speaker 01

  It's gonna be brutal.

• 9:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Are you doing it?

• 9:54Speaker 01

  No. Tell me a little bit about this hyperbaric treatment you've got going on.

• 9:59Cameron Hanes?

  Shit, I don't know, but I told, I told the owner of it, he was like, the other day, he's like, so tell me about, you do podcasts? And I'm like, yeah. And he's just like, how does that work? And then I'm like, oh, okay. Do you want to be on it?

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:16Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and I actually want him on because I don't know what the fuck it does.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, Connor, Connor was saying that he'd probably be a good guest.

• 10:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so he's gonna, I told him, I said, let's see how I do in this, in the shove the man up your ass run.

• 10:33Cameron Hanes?

  And then afterwards, let's do the, uh, let's do a podcast. Let's find out about hyperbaric. Because I'll be honest, I haven't felt this, well, not now because I'm sore as fuck from this, uh, this new year's.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Something else getting shoved up your ass.

• 10:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, this new years and new years day, back to back 10 Ks, but, uh, so I can't judge it right now, but I have, I haven't felt this good and I've been hurt.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Really?

• 10:57Cameron Hanes?

  I don't talk about, I mean, other than the foot, people like, okay, shut up, shut the fuck up about your foot. But also my calf has been hurt, as you know, because you made it hurt. I pulled it running with, with Truitt after stopping and starting on a freezing day to take photos. And I could not, oh no. And then I did Cole Hocker, ran with him and then ran with Michael Brent and then really fucked it up on the treadmill locked up. And, uh, anyway, so I went to the hyperbaric and just been pounding it like, um, no, we're getting, get distracted by the other stuff I was talking about with the pounding reference, but.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Say, don't get me started.

• 11:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And so I did like back to back hyperbaric days and I was just like, I don't know what's going on, but I feel pretty good. So I went out like for that new year's day and I never run fast, other than with Truitt that one time, a few weeks ago. Um,

• 11:56Cameron Hanes?

  never run fast. And I'm like,

• 11:59Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even know how fast I can, I never wore a watch. So I just take off. It felt like I was running, I think three minute miles and, uh, these little fast freaks were going out and somehow I ended up feeling good and had a pretty good 10 K time. And then the next day I was sore because I never run fast and I get up to go run the new year's day one. And I'm like, there's no way I'll be able to do this shit. There's no way. And I felt terrible. And it was only 30 seconds slower. So I, I have no idea how.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Well, we'll have to get them on because I, I don't even know what it is.

• 12:39Cameron Hanes?

  You lay in this chamber, I think it gets up to like 400 PSI. Feels like your ears are gonna explode and I almost had to pull the rip cord to get out of there and eject, but you like blow like this and then pop your, do stuff like that and then finally, once your ears get used to it, it's fine. But for, and then they, you're just breathing, I think like solid, I don't even know, pure oxygen. I don't know. I don't even know anything about it, but all I know is my body has responded. So we'll find out from the owner. He's a cool guy.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  What were those 10K times?

• 13:17Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, they're not even fast, but for my old ass, they're fast or they're not fast, but they're okay. I think 3851 and 3920.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Pretty quick. I know, I know I couldn't do that.

• 13:35Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Now you're an ultra marathoner.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Hybrid athlete. Yeah. I mean, you guys are lucky. I didn't show up for the Christmas bench off. That's all I gotta say.

• 13:45Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you would have crushed Tanner. He only got 21.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  That's easy work.

• 13:49Cameron Hanes?

  What, what's your best now?

• 13:51Speaker 01

  230 for one.

• 13:55Cameron Hanes?

  Well, so 225, probably 20 times.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 13:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You wrap out 225.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 14:01Cameron Hanes?

  You had to go for a high max. Well, okay. So Tanner, 21, Truitt, what was he, 15?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 15.

• 14:11Cameron Hanes?

  And, yeah. I was way back this year, way, way back. But also Truitt in the ultra, he definitely fucked up. He had, for three laps, he was doing great. But then he called me, Dad, I'm cramping up. I need salt and I'm here. Cause I was hurt, so I didn't run and I got him, got over there for the third lap, took off with him for the last lap. And maybe 300 yards out of the like staging area where the laps came through and the finish was, he like locked, could not take a step, was bent over, legs cramped, couldn't take a step.

• 14:56Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm like, does this help your time? He was like so miserable. So that whole lap was so slow, but he was flying for to start.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, thinking you don't need water is probably a

• 15:10Cameron Hanes?

  mistake. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I told one of the race guys the other day and I said, they asked, they couldn't believe how fast true it was going out of there. And they weren't even ready at some of the, the water stations and stuff. They're the check stations. Cause he got there too fast and they were like scrambling. And I said, yeah, he's, he's a beast. He's just not very smart. So he'll get that smartness and who knows what will happen. But yeah, just it's, you know, those ultras, you gotta hydrate, gotta fuel, gotta take salt.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. The good news, I was moving so slow. I wasn't sweating. So

• 15:44Cameron Hanes?

  Good.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  I was hydrated the whole time.

• 15:46Cameron Hanes?

  That was smart. Yeah. See, so you were, you were more calculated.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  But I'll tell you what did help me on the 50K where my speed lands. Not those.

• 15:57Cameron Hanes?

  Speaking of, so this is, you know, I got a, a little announcement for these. These are the Roy Roth edition.

• 16:07Cameron Hanes?

  Well, it's legends, Roy Roth, legends never die inside. And, uh, I don't know if you can see that. Let me see if I can pull it out. So this right here.

• 16:21Cameron Hanes?

  Kind of cool. And, uh, I just talked to Jill the other day, Roy's wife. And so I said, we have a portion of the proceeds going to, uh, a nonprofit. So where she works at a nonprofit, that's where I had the first check sent to, or the first donation sent to. And then she mentioned that actually she wanted to help.

• 16:46Cameron Hanes?

  Roy wasn't involved in the initial, I don't think they were going quite, you know, when he was here with us, but it's called Band of Brothers and it's a men's ministry group. And so that's where the, the portion of the proceeds will go. So I told her I'd write a check for the same amount that we sent to where she was for that nonprofit to this one. But Band of Brothers, uh, a great group. And that's, you know, She said Roy would be, you know, it wasn't quite going when he was here, but he'd be very interested in helping them out now and is what he was all about. So any, uh, when you purchase these, part of it will go to them.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. I gotta say, out of, out of all the Speedland shoes you've done, I think those are my favorite.

• 17:25Cameron Hanes?

  And they got a little thing here that for the gators, you can hook your gators up. Um, but yeah, great shoe. Anyway, check them out. They're available now. I think unless they're sold out.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Other thing to catch up on is you went to Georgia for a couple of things.

• 17:43Cameron Hanes?

  What did I do?

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Well, you went to Nine Line.

• 17:45Cameron Hanes?

  Nine Line. Yeah. Um, I'm not wearing any of my merch. Are you?

• 17:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. No. Oh, you got your worst Waldo t-shirt.

• 18:01Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's smaller stripes, but.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a smaller guy.

• 18:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, Nine Line. Yeah. They're doing all my merch fulfillment and they're totally set up. Great people, veteran owned company. Uh, I feel like I can really count on them. And yeah, love that visit. That was fun.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:21Cameron Hanes?

  We're going to be coming up with some sick stuff.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then you did something else that I thought was, uh, pretty unique and definitely interesting.

• 18:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. They just sent me, uh, a clip of that. It was, um,

• 18:34Cameron Hanes?

  virtual reality.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So we did an interview and I went through like a bow shooting tutorial, like a few different segments of it.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:42Cameron Hanes?

  And you go in this thing, there's cameras all around. So it's just like, if you have on the headset, they had me put on the headset and do you know who Walk a Flock is?

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:53Cameron Hanes?

  Whatever. So he was there rapping and so they, they like, you put this on and they said, okay, push on the screen. You push like the play thing and then he's right there rapping and you can just walk around him.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 19:04Cameron Hanes?

  And then you push one other button and then, so that's where he's just in the room you're in. Like he'd be standing right there. Then if you push another button, then like he's in the club and you're in a club.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  What?

• 19:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's nuts.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Huh. It's, uh,

• 19:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  pretty wild.

• 19:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. They just sent me the clip yesterday of how it's kind of going together. It was pretty sick.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  How did everything come out? You know, cause obviously a bow has so many small little pieces. Cameras don't have a problem capturing all that?

• 19:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and I think like when we were just watching that day, like you couldn't see the arrow.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 19:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so I don't know. I think they got a, I don't know what they do.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Stitching the arrow or something?

• 19:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, something like that.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Sure, that makes sense. Um, we also just wrapped up a couple giveaways.

• 19:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yes.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  I saw you made a post just tonight, actually.

• 19:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I did. Um, I tried to do it running, but with the, the light to the camera or my phone going right in my face and it's pitch, pitch black, I was gonna run off the cliff.

• 20:04Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, so the giveaway just ended. Uh, we gotta wait a little bit for, you can enter by mail, just like the hate letter I read today.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Mail in ballots.

• 20:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, mail or mail in ballots. So we have to technically wait. If you entered by mail on the last day of the contest, we have to wait seven days for that letter to get here. So anyway, and then also it's, it's an official sweepstakes. So I, I saw one guy said the other day, he's like, he's like, oh, it felt like on the first giveaway, you handpicked the winner and just like, it seems corporate. And I just wanna go, shut the up. I'm giving away a 200 and whatever thousand dollar truck and people are bitching about what? Two, yeah, there's has to be, there's rules to it because it's so much money. So it's like a lottery, basically. You can't just, I don't know, whatever. I just.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't get that. It's like, if, okay, if you don't, if you think it's a scam, don't enter. You don't have to. No one's forcing you to.

• 21:04Cameron Hanes?

  You're, yeah, you're not required to buy anything. But if you did wanna buy a cool hat or hoodie, guess what? You could win a truck or a side by side. It's just like, what is the downside? How could you possibly turn this into a, something that impacts you so much, you have to like, complain?

• 21:24Speaker 01

  They always find something.

• 21:25Cameron Hanes?

  God, I just don't, I freaking don't get it. It's not like somebody's like, gun to their head, you order something right now, by God. You order, you order three things. I swear to God, I'm pulling this trigger. Does that happen?

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Hopefully that's me and the trigger does get pulled.

• 21:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, then you can end this misery.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Well, anyways.

• 21:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so we're giving away that truck coming up and the side by side and 10,000 in cash.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 21:56Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah, I can't, I actually can't wait for that.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  That should be pretty sweet.

• 22:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I just, I don't know. It's, we're pretty lucky to be able to do this and call this quote work.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:08Cameron Hanes?

  And so on top of that, to be able to give away, like, it could be technically life-changing type. Cause if somebody didn't want that truck, say they sold it for even 150,000, that's cash. 150,000 cash. So.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I mean, they could probably sell it.

• 22:24Cameron Hanes?

  Probably more.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  For more.

• 22:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  You know, than it's gonna originally get sold for, cause they're limited. But yeah, pretty, pretty incredible. I know, you know, when we did the, the Ram giveaway, that was just super cool. Just to see the reaction of the winner.

• 22:37Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, Gage.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  So I'm excited for that.

• 22:41Cameron Hanes?

  And the first one was that, that Navy guy, he was awesome, super, just as genuine as can be. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know. I, I hate focusing on the negativity or the whatever, but

• 23:02Cameron Hanes?

  it's just fun.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  The letter you kept.

• 23:04Cameron Hanes?

  God, I know.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, like that Ram truck, I would say that was in my top five best moments of the year.

• 23:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I got my top three.

• 23:15Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you do?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  So, should I put these in order? I'll put them in order.

• 23:20Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  At number three, I have Alaska. That to me was just such a fun trip. Uh, had never been to Alaska before. And to have a successful trip at that was, you know, I just think that was great.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hope, I hope to get to go back.

• 23:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that was, that, I mean, grisly on the ground with the bow, tough to beat.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:45Cameron Hanes?

  Tough to beat, the adrenaline of that.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  That's for sure. Yeah. Uh, number two would be Jelly Roll.

• 23:53Cameron Hanes?

  Which one?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  The Moda and Jail. I counted both, because it was.

• 23:57Cameron Hanes?

  What about Austin?

• 23:58Speaker 01

  That was also incredible, but, you know, something about the, doing that at, you know, the state penitentiary was.

• 24:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Did I say it right this time? I think the first time I said.

• 24:07Cameron Hanes?

  I think so. That was pretty close.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I think the first time I said pen- penitentiary.

• 24:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, that was, that was very impactful.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Uh, it's, uh, that's one I think people ask me about the most.

• 24:20Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Because, uh, pretty iconic.

• 24:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Uh, it's like a Folsom prison, you know, Johnny Cash moment. So.

• 24:28Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Pretty incredible. Uh, and then number one. Can you guess?

• 24:34Cameron Hanes?

  Drum roll. Uh, no.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  The San Carlos Bowl.

• 24:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty amazing. Um, yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was just, uh, a lot of, uh, I don't know, it was just emotional. Uh, but I think out of all the bowls this year, that was my favorite and favorite moment of all of the whole year.

• 25:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  So.

• 25:03Cameron Hanes?

  It was, I don't want to say, you know, people epic, powerful, this, I say it all the time too, but being there, especially with the tribe that came out, the people from the Apache tribe that came out that helped and just to hang out.

• 25:20Cameron Hanes?

  And yeah, just the whole journey of that, like finding, trying to find a bowl of that caliber. And, I mean, it's hard.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:30Cameron Hanes?

  It's fricking, it was hard.

• 25:35Cameron Hanes?

  You know, anybody else looking at that would be like they would shot any of those other bulls.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:41Cameron Hanes?

  And I would have too.

• 25:44Cameron Hanes?

  So it's, uh, but you want to do something that, you know, shows, I don't even, I don't, I don't want to say respect. I don't even know what it shows, but just honors the area and the animals and what's, what's, uh, what the potential is there. And so you want some, a special animal and that's how Bull was for sure.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. You know, a couple of the guys there had followed me on Instagram and after the film came out, they reached out like, oh, good job. It was great.

• 26:12Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that obviously means a lot to me. So.

• 26:15Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. What would you say your top moment is?

• 26:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  On the spot?

• 26:21Cameron Hanes?

  Um, yeah, I know. Let me think. Let me think. Well, the letter today, finding that, that's obviously number one.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  My honorable mention would be the, uh, live streamer on, uh, rodeo drive.

• 26:37Cameron Hanes?

  Which one? Oh, yeah. The, this, the entertainer? No, that was good.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna smoke some bud.

• 26:46Cameron Hanes?

  God, I don't remember the, what was it? What else was it?

• 26:50Speaker 01

  I'm swole.

• 26:52Cameron Hanes?

  Is that, yeah. Oh, I know. He is flexing. God, did we record that?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  No, we shouldn't. I don't know.

• 26:59Cameron Hanes?

  He was recording it or live streaming it?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  I know. I looked for his live stream after.

• 27:03Cameron Hanes?

  And you couldn't find it?

• 27:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I would say it's probably, well, the shit I took at the Gucci store.

• 27:15Cameron Hanes?

  Cause man, I had a stomach ache and yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Especially after they wouldn't let me in.

• 27:23Cameron Hanes?

  So that, that was number one.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  No, that was number two.

• 27:27Cameron Hanes?

  Number two. So yeah, the hater letter is number one. The Gucci Dookie is number two. And number two, the Gucci Dookie two.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  No pun intended.

• 27:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, no bathroom. If you're not buying anything, if you're buying something, yeah, here's our bathroom.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, you guys have a bathroom? No.

• 27:47Cameron Hanes?

  How about for me? Yes.

• 27:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so that was two. Let's see, number three.

• 27:58Cameron Hanes?

  What would number three be?

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Trying to think what your top three might be.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  I feel like the the two bears 5K with Jelly Roll coming in, that was pretty awesome to see him finish that.

• 28:11Cameron Hanes?

  I would say that has to be.

• 28:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, that that has to be number one, doesn't it?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that whole day.

• 28:20Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's number one.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Number one. Okay, we'll swap it out.

• 28:23Cameron Hanes?

  For for the letter.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  I was gonna say your Kill Tony Minute can be for 2025.

• 28:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, okay. So it's Jelly Roll finishing the two bears 5K. It's finding the sausage nose letter.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Gucci Dookie.

• 28:37Cameron Hanes?

  And the Gucci Dookie. That's my top three.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Good. Perfect list.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Okay, well, now we know. We talked about Spike Camp.

• 28:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  We got Max coming on.

• 28:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, Max Joliffe, Moab 240 winner.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Beast.

• 29:03Cameron Hanes?

  Beast.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, stud. So he's coming right before Truitt's world record in pull ups, day before. So.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that should be pretty good. We also have Josh Smith from MKC coming on.

• 29:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  That'll be a good one. And then, what's the hyperbaric man Sam's name?

• 29:25Cameron Hanes?

  Matt.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Matt. So he'll come on at some point.

• 29:29Cameron Hanes?

  Well, no, I said we got to see how I do at.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  So.

• 29:35Cameron Hanes?

  At the Spike Camp. King of the mountain, king of the mountain, queen of the mountain. But yeah, there's gonna be some good runners there. So I don't know, 12 hours of that shit is gonna be. I thought I was gonna do it like, I thought, well, I'm gonna do 10 the other day. And I'm like, man, this sucks going straight up and down. So I went and did a few laps to that far gate just to get some miles in. And I ended up doing six on Saturday and.

• 30:06Cameron Hanes?

  Thirty, I think like thirty-three miles, but yeah, just going straight up and down the main trail. Definitely blows your quads out.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. I guess I'll have to do it at some point. I don't know how many I could do. I my quads felt well, I shouldn't say that. They weren't the worst.

• 30:24Cameron Hanes?

  What was the worst?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Uh, had to be just my feet and ankles. My feet were fine after like, I mean, my toenails are all dead, but the pain.

• 30:36Cameron Hanes?

  Of what?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  My feet, my lower legs. It's like, I, I tell people it felt like someone dropped a 2,000 pound cinder block on. It felt like they were gonna implode.

• 30:47Cameron Hanes?

  How about Eric? How'd he do?

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Well.

• 30:50Cameron Hanes?

  Funny you ask.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  It is funny because there were a lot of people out there that voted for him to beat me.

• 30:56Cameron Hanes?

  Are you keeping track of this hate?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:58Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Everyone that voted for Eric to beat me is on a naughty list.

• 31:02Cameron Hanes?

  Did you screenshot all their names?

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:04Cameron Hanes?

  Or video it?

• 31:05Speaker 01

  We're gonna, I'll have to call them out.

• 31:07Cameron Hanes?

  Expose them.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:09Cameron Hanes?

  What was it? So you put up a poll. What was the count, final count? Who's gonna win? Him or you or him?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  On my poll, I got most of the love. I think it was like 70% me, 30% Eric.

• 31:20Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  On his, it was like 55% him, 45% me.

• 31:25Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty tight, though.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  But I do, I do gotta say, one of the haters is in our camp. Actually, two of them.

• 31:34Cameron Hanes?

  In our camp?

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Truitt and Alicia.

• 31:37Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, they thought Eric was gonna get you.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I told Truitt, I said, I had to thank him because, you know, at one point you called him and he said, I said, why did you vote for Eric? And he said, I, it's a, it's a mindset thing.

• 31:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  So in the back of my head, the whole time, I just heard Truitt, it's a mindset thing. I think he has the mindset. You don't.

• 31:58Cameron Hanes?

  You know, well, you know, it would have really showed him? You should have beat Truitt.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I tried. You know, I wasn't that far behind.

• 32:05Cameron Hanes?

  No, what, I mean, two, two some hours?

• 32:08Speaker 01

  And what's two hours out of seven, you know?

• 32:12Cameron Hanes?

  Like, is that like 1%?

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Exactly. 1% better and I can do that in a week. Yeah.

• 32:18Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's like, it's basically, he out leaned you at the tape?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  I mean, that comes down to me slipping on one of the up hills.

• 32:25Cameron Hanes?

  Right. Yeah. I mean,

• 32:27Speaker 01

  That's the thing is you,

• 32:28Cameron Hanes?

  I'd call it a tie.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you were saying he was out so fast that they weren't even ready at some of it. I was out so fast, they didn't even know that they weren't ready. Cause I was gone by the time they got there.

• 32:38Cameron Hanes?

  Past him. Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah.

• 32:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, I, most people were talking about this guy, this freak out there.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  A blur is what they, is what I heard.

• 32:51Cameron Hanes?

  With the mullet and the glasses. And I was like, wait, is he like tall and gangly? Like, I know who that is.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Pretty gay looking?

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the only non-binary runner.

• 33:06Cameron Hanes?

  That's my guy. Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah. So they were talking about you.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  I think when I came in at the, into that third lap, I told you I was built different and I meant it, you know?

• 33:16Cameron Hanes?

  I, I thought, I said you were built different.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Well, I'm surgically built.

• 33:24Cameron Hanes?

  No, but you were acting pretty good on that one. You took off out of there pretty good.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  That's funny you say that. I told Eric afterwards, I was like, yeah, of course. Like, you know, Cam came over and was like, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm fine.

• 33:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Inside you're broken.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  And as soon as I got out of eyesight, fuck this.

• 33:41Cameron Hanes?

  I know. It's so miserable, dude. God.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Tanner came over and he's like, oh, how you doing? And I'm like, I, I think killing myself would be a better option right now.

• 33:52Cameron Hanes?

  Well, so imagine a hundred miler. So you did 30, what was it? Two, one?

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Thirty-two, yeah.

• 34:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So three times plus a little bit. I mean, doesn't that seem crazy?

• 34:08Speaker 01

  It seems impossible.

• 34:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. That's, I've, I've, I've always felt that too. I mean, when I've done a hundred, I've, you're done at whatever the race is.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:19Cameron Hanes?

  Mentally, you're like, so after a hundred, I've been like, if this was 200, there's no fucking way. But when you like, so you kind of gear your mind and body up for whatever you're doing. But when you know you're doing a 50K, I think it would be like the ultimate. That's kind of why those backyard things are so you'd never really know what to how far you're going.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:42Cameron Hanes?

  So it's like, you know how when you're doing, say even the thirty two miler, you get three laps done, you're like, I'm seventy five percent.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:51Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I only have this X amount left.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, little boost of energy.

• 34:55Cameron Hanes?

  When you don't know, that's rough.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  That's a mind fuck for sure.

• 35:00Cameron Hanes?

  That's rough. And that's how I don't get like Courtney, she won that one and went two hundred and eighty three miles, four miles every hour. It was like three days.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 35:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. The other thing I kind of had in my head. Well, I had two things. My screensaver was a.

• 35:19Cameron Hanes?

  Me.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you taking a.

• 35:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  No, it was.

• 35:28Cameron Hanes?

  That's inspiring.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Aren't we lucky? I like that one.

• 35:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  You know, we're blessed to be able to put ourselves through this pain.

• 35:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  There's tons of people out there that can't.

• 35:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, no, definitely.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  It's a privilege. And then the other one was Michael Brant, which he said, he had one that was just like, you know, super glue the on switch, basically. But also, you know, once you get to a certain amount of pain, you know, you're there, you're at the threshold, it's not going to get worse. I don't know about that.

• 36:00Cameron Hanes?

  Sounds good.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  I was waiting for the pain to get so bad, it kind of numbed.

• 36:04Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Didn't happen, did not happen. So we'll see. I mean, longer than thirty two sounds, I don't think I could. I think that was my max.

• 36:14Cameron Hanes?

  Well, you said you want to do another one.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:16Cameron Hanes?

  What, fifty K?

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:17Cameron Hanes?

  Or, okay.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  I mean, I would like to do.

• 36:19Cameron Hanes?

  Just a faster, faster fifty K to start?

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess to start. I mean, I definitely, it's, this is going to sound so stupid, but obviously I'd like to do a hundred eventually because it sounds impossible. But I know there's a lot of failing that's going to have to happen before that happens. So.

• 36:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, this.

• 36:40Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know, there's certain groups, I don't necessarily feel this way, but certain groups feel like, I mean, yes, it's an ultra at 50K, ultra at 50 mile, ultra at 100K, which is 62 miles. But the real deal is 100 miles.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:56Cameron Hanes?

  So that's like the real ultra.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I kind of feels like a sham to say it was an ultra, just because it was longer than a marathon.

• 37:06Cameron Hanes?

  It's not, but it's just, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, that's, you start off running, you do a 5K, 10K, half marathon, marathon. So it's all just different parts of your chapters.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:19Cameron Hanes?

  So a 50K is a huge part, huge chapter, you know, it's, it is five miles past a marathon. It is usually in the mountains and on, in mud. It's, you know, I don't know how many times harder, but.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, obviously I haven't ever run a marathon. Speaking of which, I did think about maybe doing the Eugene marathon. But that to me sounds worse than trail running.

• 37:42Cameron Hanes?

  In some ways it is.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:44Cameron Hanes?

  I, especially if you're trying to push that pace.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Which we all know I wouldn't, but.

• 37:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, with those, see with an ultra, nobody really knows what a good time is, oddly. Cause they're just like, wait, what? It's on a hill and mud and blah, blah, blah. It's this far. So they're like, you just finish, you, you're kind of a stud. In a marathon, everyone knows what fast, what slow, what, you know.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:10Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, you, you, you say, you know, you wouldn't push, but you'd still want to break four.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 38:17Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and getting the threes, that's, that's still good. And to do that, it doesn't seem like it would be hard, fricking hard.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, with the, with the ultra, at least like on the uphills, I was power hiking. So you kind of, it's almost a little bit of a break. I found that part at least.

• 38:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  I was like looking forward to the uphills.

• 38:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  You don't have that. So you feel like a bigger loser when you walk. So.

• 38:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, I mean, you just, it just, you just want to stop.

• 38:49Cameron Hanes?

  But especially the time, the clock going when you're not moving very fast on a marathon really adds up. Cause I've even been like on a marathon where

• 39:01Cameron Hanes?

  I look at my time, I got two miles left. I'm like, if I walk these two miles, would I still break three or how much room for, for fudging around do I have? Because it hurts so bad. You're like, if the wheels fall off and I can only do a 10 minute mile, then where would I be?

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you, what does it have to be for sub four, eight?

• 39:30Cameron Hanes?

  Shit, I don't even know.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Just Shia eights maybe?

• 39:35Cameron Hanes?

  I know Tru did that one in 330 when he was 13.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Do some quick math.

• 39:42Cameron Hanes?

  And I think it was like,

• 39:45Cameron Hanes?

  I think it was under eights.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  I think you're right. Yeah. No. 330 is eight flat.

• 39:51Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. So yeah, right there. So can you do eights?

• 39:57Speaker 01

  For that long?

• 39:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 40:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  I don't think so. Yeah. I did, I ran when I was back in Montana and I did a 5K and I did it like seven twenties and I felt really good. That's the other thing. It is now harder for me to get my heart rate to what it used to be all the time, which was like one nineties.

• 40:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What was it at, at that seven 20?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it was like one 72.

• 40:22Cameron Hanes?

  That's not bad.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which still isn't great, but for me, I was like, uh, in an altitude, you know, it was high, high altitude training.

• 40:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's a hybrid athlete shit there, dude.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Built different.

• 40:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:35Cameron Hanes?

  You definitely are.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. I know after the, the 50K, stupid, but I went to this like Christmas party and this Christmas dinner and everyone was like, why are you walking like that? And I didn't want to tell people I ran a 50K. So I just said, I have irritable bowel syndrome.

• 40:53Cameron Hanes?

  That's good. That's better. Yeah. That's much better than, than a cool accomplishment.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:59Cameron Hanes?

  Good decision.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Fits, fits me better anyways.

• 41:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just to make it awkward. Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  I shit my pants.

• 41:08Cameron Hanes?

  Speaking of Katie, who says you're more awkward than normal sometimes, her deer meat's done. So I had to go pick it up and send it to her.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 41:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I just texted her today for address, but that reminds me. Anytime the word awkward comes up, I think of her labeling you that.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Uh, well, she's not wrong.

• 41:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, it's, it's good that, I mean, to do, uh, seven twenties, that's actually running.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, but I only for a five K.

• 41:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's all right.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:43Cameron Hanes?

  It's a start.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Uh, times that by 10.

• 41:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. It's, uh, I don't know.

• 41:51Cameron Hanes?

  When you push the pace, I mean, even the fuck those 10 K's I just did hurt.

• 41:57Cameron Hanes?

  I was like, it felt like I was sprinting.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  I, I, I don't, uh, I need to try and do it for longer than a five K, but I don't. It hurts.

• 42:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. How this one went where it started over Valley River and then it went, you know, that red bridge? It goes over.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 42:17Cameron Hanes?

  You're kind of by where you live.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:19Cameron Hanes?

  Went over that, then back, then went past where I think, yeah, past where you live, past Marist. And then to there's that other footbridge. We took pictures kind of right there. And you go to the middle of that, then you go back, then back on the bike path, all the way back to Valley River. And then there's a footbridge at Valley River and you go over and around a little park over there, then back. And so basically you're at Valley River and you're like, oh, I just got to run to Marist and back. It's like that is, it seems like you can almost see that far.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that sounds longer than a 10 K.

• 42:54Cameron Hanes?

  Well, to me it sounds closer, but running, I'm just like.

• 43:01Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, normally I never even hear myself breathing and I'm like blowing spit everywhere and snot and I'm like thinking I want to try to win, obviously. And so I had, I was thinking people were on my ass the whole time and it's like, man, that hurt.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  But yeah, I try to run and breathe through my nose and when you run that hard, no chance.

• 43:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, I can barely sit on the couch and breathe through my sausage nose.

• 43:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, my mouth be there.

• 43:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but no, it's cool. Um, yeah, we've got some good running stuff coming up. Good, good running guests. Uh, yeah, I asked the, the girl, well, her agent, she broke the, the record on the Appalachian Trail. I think she's going to come Tara Downer's her name, Dowher's name. And, uh, yeah, she broke the all time record and I think it's like 2,000 some miles. She did it in 40 days.

• 44:08Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, stud. So I think she might come too.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  That'd be sweet.

• 44:11Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Lots of good ones.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that's it on my list.

• 44:15Cameron Hanes?

  That's all you had?

• 44:16Speaker 01

  All I had.

• 44:17Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, and I had, I had a special, I have this whole metal case in there from Montana Knife Company with my new knife coming out, but I think I wanted to save that for when Josh is here.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  It's a good idea.

• 44:30Cameron Hanes?

  It's just in a few days.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Next week.

• 44:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So, all right. So that's next up on the next podcast, we're going to talk about Douchebag Bowhunters.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Stay tuned.

• 44:44Cameron Hanes?

  Keep hammering.