Influenced or Influencer

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast On this episode of The Pivot, Ryan, Channing and Fred discuss separating the person from the artist while also providing their thoughts on the influence and impact that celebrities can have on culture and society. A lot of questions to discuss between the guys but one thing is for sure, Ryan declares Fred the unofficial mayor of Duval after attending a Monday Night football game and sharing how he saw firsthand the overwhelming popularity his co-host has in the city of Jacksonville. Despite the Jaguars’ success this season, the state of Florida is mostly disappointed after Florida State was left out of the College Football Playoff. The guys have split opinions on whether or not the Seminoles deserved a spot to compete for the championship, but this brings about the idea of NCAA committees simply doing what they want to drive revenue. The guys all agree that being in the public eye comes with a certain degree of fame but also a level of criticism. Similar to sports figures, artists face critique outside the realm of music because of their cultural significance. Whether it is Taylor Swift and her rise to being a global phenom or the potential fall from the top in the situation of Sean “Diddy” Combs…the constant spotlight can take one’s reputation in whichever direction the media or general public decides. With Taylor Swift being announced TIME’s Person of the Year, the guys agree that she was deserving of the accolade and discuss her innovative rise to stardom. Freddy T welcomes a co-track between Swift and Beyoncé to really bring together two massive audiences similar to Michael Jackson’s “We are the World” song. Pivoting to a different aspect of conversation about the accusations against Diddy going deeper into how relationships and women’s stances in these type of situations, the guys gives their takes on how certain instance lead to a broader topic- of the difficulty of being a woman in today’s society. From standing up for those who need defending to allowing for women to speak their truth, Ryan, Channing and Fred reflect on human culture and the importance of allowing everyone to have their story told. There’s no grey area for the guys that they believe those who commit sexual crimes must be punished by law, but the questions lie within the relationships that are fractured by these circumstances. A conversation covering tough topics in a way only the guys can…as we move from sports, culture and the social climate, and being able to remain candid when it matters most. New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Channing Crowder?

  I'm not a Swifty. I know people try to be Swifty now because it's cool to be a Swifty. But what she did, her resume this year, fellas, it was stupid. Beyonce's Renaissance Tour, and I'm in the Beehive. I'm a Beehive member, y'all, so I see my video on one of them TikToks.

• 0:46Ryan Clark?

  Because you're an influencer.

• 0:48Channing Crowder?

  There you go. I'm a Beehive member, RC.

• 0:50Ryan Clark?

  You're no, you're...

• 0:51Channing Crowder?

  I'm a grown man that comes around to trends.

• 0:56Ryan Clark?

  In, in truth, you are not an influencer. You are influenced.

• 1:02Channing Crowder?

  Oh, that sounds bad.

• 1:04Ryan Clark?

  Right, so, so for, so for you...

• 1:06Channing Crowder?

  How are you resetting the title I've given myself?

• 1:10Ryan Clark?

  Because the title you've given yourself is fake.

• 1:38Ryan Clark?

  What up, fellas? Man, I am fired up. We are back for another Friday. And, uh, you know, it's cool to do a three-man show. Oh, by the way, this is Pivot. This is Channing Crowder. That is Frederick Taylor. I'm Ryan Terry Clark.

• 1:54Ryan Clark?

  Bro, guess what I learned this week, Chan? What's that? So, I go to Monday Night Football, right? So, we're at Monday Night Football. First off, this dude's the mayor, right? When we're in Jacksonville, we're in Dubal, like Freddie T just walks around differently. Like, he even shook my hand different. Like, the way he approached me. Like, you know, it's normally like all love. I had to get through the security first and then walk around all these people just to get to Fred. And so, I was like, okay, cool. So, Freddie T pops up on the screen. I video my dog, put him on my story because like I'm fired up, right? Freddie T gets up there, the people are all locked in. Oh, it's a legend, right? And so, then, my next thought goes to, how does Fred watch the game? Right?

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  So, I thought, right? Fred's at the game, right? He's- Presidential suite. He's at the game. So, I figured he's in the suite or he's somewhere in this- like, they put him in a spot where the suite, where you can walk out into the stands. You know how to have those suites with the chairs or whatever? Fred watches the game in like this big area where you can eat and all that stuff on a big old TV in a recliner. Wait, Chan. In a recliner in a roped-off area.

• 3:14Ryan Clark?

  And you could probably have to pick the camera up. There's a lady or a security guard that walks around the rope, right? She walks around the rope, shoots- securing Fred, right? And so, like, let's say you want to take a picture with Fred. You walk up to the security guard, right? They ask, can I meet Mr. Taylor? He, sitting in his chair, looks over at the people first and goes, okay, they're good enough to come in here. He lets them come in. He stays in his chair and takes the picture with the people. And then, the security lady take the people outside the rope. Fred on Gladiator. Yeah!

• 4:02Fred Taylor?

  Fred T.

• 4:03Channing Crowder?

  How did you get that set up, bruh?

• 4:05Fred Taylor?

  You know what, I appreciate you, but you put some extras on it. The latter part was accurate to the T. But about the security and walking me around on the field and the handshake.

• 4:17Channing Crowder?

  Okay.

• 4:17Fred Taylor?

  You dead ass wrong.

• 4:18Channing Crowder?

  That was a lie.

• 4:19Fred Taylor?

  Nah, but I earned it.

• 4:22Channing Crowder?

  Did you request that setup?

• 4:24Fred Taylor?

  Nah. My people take care of me. I can say that. Duval take care of me.

• 4:29Channing Crowder?

  Fred. So where's the Mark Brunel side? Where's the Tony Vasselli side?

• 4:34Fred Taylor?

  So Brunel coaching in Detroit. So, and Bo, Bo does the live broadcast. So we do two totally different jobs. So I just do pre-game, game day live. So my hits are quick. RC, seen it? They're quick. So I'm like that, and then I watch the game. I watch the game, take notes for the radio show after.

• 4:57Channing Crowder?

  You want to watch it on TV?

• 5:00Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I don't, when I'm on the field as a player, it was rare that I actually watched it on the field. I'm looking up at a screen. I like all 22. Like, I like to see it like this.

• 5:13Channing Crowder?

  That's wild.

• 5:14Fred Taylor?

  And then when I call the people over.

• 5:15Ryan Clark?

  What is more all 22 than actually watching all 22 people run around on the field?

• 5:23Fred Taylor?

  I like the angle. You know, like it's certain angles that you like to hit, you know? I know you know about the angles, Chan. Like it's certain angles. Like, I can watch it here, or I can either walk behind the offense and watch it that way, or walk way down here and walk behind the defense. So I can kind of get a feel for what they're doing. But nine times out of 10, I'm in the game 50% of the time.

• 5:48Channing Crowder?

  I said it before.

• 5:48Fred Taylor?

  But watching the game, I like to watch it like I'm at home chilling.

• 5:51Channing Crowder?

  I said it before, I don't know if Trevor Lawrence is going to take over for you, but you the most famous Jaguar of all time.

• 5:56Ryan Clark?

  All time. It's not even close.

• 5:57Fred Taylor?

  That's a fair assessment, but Trevor is definitely on my heels. Like, you should have heard that stadium, the pin, you can hear a pin drop in the stadium when he got injured. Absolutely quiet. And I was sitting there like...

• 6:12Channing Crowder?

  You were scared.

• 6:12Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Fred Taylor?

  I'm talking about, usually I get excited to go do post-game radio, you know, considering all things, but for me, like, I felt like I was out there playing. And I felt bad when he went down because he's the future of the franchise. Like, it's never been that much hype surrounding the player, other than maybe when Jacksonville got the team, you know, and, and the uncertainty in that moment, you know, because the team was trending in the right direction. It was a letdown that night, but, you know, overall, I think what Trevor influenced, what he gives people, that hope he brings people, I mean, they're like, wow.

• 6:52Channing Crowder?

  I knew he was a bad man, bad man from Clemson. And I knew he was a stupid talent, but once we had him on the show, I fell in love with Trevor Lawrence.

• 6:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 7:00Fred Taylor?

  He's every, he's all of that. Like, he's just an amazing person, amazing talent. He puts in the work. So, yeah, naturally, you can really, really hear a pin drop in that stadium, bro. So, yeah, he's on my heels. Yeah, if he not in my lap, pause.

• 7:15Ryan Clark?

  Man, well, you know where he ain't? Sitting in his lap in his plush recliner that is roped off like he's in the movies. It's somewhere, you know, and like, and all of Florida took a hit this week, though. DeSantis wants to take a million dollars and sue the college football playoff or the NCAA because Florida State wasn't a part of the Final Four. Instead, it's Michigan, Alabama, Texas, and Washington. And that team was undefeated. And they had out-of-conference wins against LSU and Florida, two SEC schools. And they won the ACC. And they were undefeated, right?

• 7:59Ryan Clark?

  So, all of those things say that this team has accomplished enough and earned enough to be in the Final Four. Like, you think they got jobbed? Or did the Final Four say, we're going to pick the best games with the best teams?

• 8:14Channing Crowder?

  And that's what they did. It's a knock against ACC, to be honest. ACC is garbage. Clemson used to run it. Clemson ain't no good. North Carolina State, Georgia Tech, name me a good ACC team. And Florida State played all them. LSU wasn't good this year. Florida wasn't good this year.

• 8:29Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I remember too. LSU, they played them in the first game before Jaden Daniels started. Jaden Daniels in too.

• 8:35Channing Crowder?

  And so, if you look at it, somewhere in the 50, they do the strength of schedule. Florida State was somewhere in the 50s because their conference isn't good. So it's really a knock against the ACC not having top-notch football. So all of ACC should evaluate itself. But when it was BCS, you remember people saying, "A computer shouldn't choose this. A computer shouldn't choose this." So now it's a committee of old football-watching motherfuckers, and they're choosing the best games. Let's be honest, fellas. The best games that are gonna make the most money and have the highest viewership. Florida State without, uh, Ru- uh, what's his name?

• 9:07Ryan Clark?

  Jordan.

• 9:08Channing Crowder?

  Jordan Rudolph.

• 9:08Ryan Clark?

  Jordan Travis.

• 9:09Channing Crowder?

  Jordan Travis, sorry. Florida State without Jordan Travis is not a team that should be playing for the national championship. They're talented, yes, but they're playing in a terrible conference, and it has no respect. And we saw the committee doesn't respect them. I have no problem with the decision because I know what the committee's trying to do. I'm not trying to make what's right, what's wrong. Tell me what the guidelines are for making the Final Four. If you can't tell me the guidelines...

• 9:35Ryan Clark?

  So the thing was, in the bylaws or in the guidelines, everything that Florida State did as a team were the things that were supposed to put you in. Schedule difficult non-conference games. Win your conference, be undefeated. Like, all of those things, especially historically, has gotten teams into the Final Four. But the other piece of it is, they've always shown us they do what the hell they want. Right? They've always shown us that they pick the teams they want to pick. And so like, being upset about it is what it is. It don't matter because they don't answer to nobody.

• 10:18Fred Taylor?

  They're sending a very bad signal overall, right? You tell teams, "You gotta come out there and you gotta play, you win, you earn the right." You know, strength of schedule, all this stuff, RC just said it. They did everything, they checked off all the boxes. The one thing against them was, if you don't have key players in position when the committee votes on it. But what about the whole defense winning championships? You very much know how that goes.

• 10:45Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:45Fred Taylor?

  The Ravens know how that go.

• 10:47Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:48Fred Taylor?

  85 Bears with Jim McMahon, they know how that go. Defense does win championship, it's not just cliche. Even if that quarterback isn't there, that doesn't mean these guys can't go out there and be competitive. You know, no, it's not pretty. They didn't score a lot of points these closing weeks to close out the season. But they're 13-0, and for me, I think they earn the right to have one of those four slots. Over who? I can't really say. But I think they did earn it. But I think this committee, they're trying to sell the games by pairing the best teams and not the teams that naturally earned it. Because it's TV deals get involved, sponsorship gets involved.

• 11:32Ryan Clark?

  Bro, it's, it's.

• 11:32Fred Taylor?

  All of that stuff, you can move, they move the goalposts every single time. It's, the BCS was bull crap and shit. Shenanigans, it was all garbage. It was always garbage.

• 11:43Channing Crowder?

  You want a computer or do you want, you want a people or computer? Them the two options. You can't have what they do when they, when they let a turtle walk up and eat the lettuce of the teams. They're like, who do you want to decide? Do you want to be numbers or do you want to be humans?

• 11:55Ryan Clark?

  And so, and so, but you gotta look at this. This is also the same exact thing that happens with the NCAA tournament. Like, let's say, like, let's take Kentucky, right? Let's, let's go back to when John Wall played for Kentucky. And say they were a number one seed or expected to be a number one seed the entire year. They had been number one the entire season. If John Wall gets hurt in the SEC championship, in the SEC tournament, they wouldn't be a number one seed. Right? Because the way that the NCAA selection committee worked, because it was people, they would look at those teams and they would say, without John Wall, they're a three seed. Or a two seed, or a four seed. Even though they had earned the right to be a one seed based on their resume.

• 12:39Ryan Clark?

  Like, that's the way people work. Here is my thoughts on it. I believe Florida State got effed, like I do. I believe that when you look at the nature in which the game is played and the way that people are rewarded for success, if you give me a level or a certain criteria that if adhered to, Should earn me a certain thing, then you should get that. Right? You should, if you play the non-conference games, if you go 13-0, if you win the ACC championship, I feel like you have earned the right to lose. I may believe that you're going to lose, but based on your resume, all you've shown me is you haven't.

• 13:21Ryan Clark?

  Right? So that's my thought, that they should have gotten the opportunity to be in there. Now, the other piece of it is too, the other side of the argument, I also understand. And I know on the other side of the argument is money. You want to tell me where decisions are made, you tell me where the money goes. From a money standpoint, one, you bring in the fan bases. Not that Florida State doesn't have a great fan base. There ain't no fan base like Texas. Telling you. There, you know, there's very few fan bases like Alabama. Right. Right? That are going to travel, that are going to be a part of those games. And then it's the intrigue and the level of play in the game. Nobody wants to see Louisville 3-3 with Florida State late in the third quarter in the ACC championship. Right.

• 14:03Ryan Clark?

  It was, it was, it was as hard to watch as watching Iowa play football. And even with that, here is why I thought they'd pick them. It was the easiest thing to explain. Really what the committee did was put heat on themselves. Because if they picked Florida State, you know what they could have said? They did this, they did this, they did this, they did this. They made the hard decision. They made the decision they was going to have to defend. And did they break a lot of hearts in Tallahassee? And were those people sad? Yes. I can tell you this, and I don't know if y'all saw it. Here's how I know they ended up putting in the best four.

• 14:45Ryan Clark?

  There was cameras at each place, the Michigans, the Bamas, the Texas, every, all that.

• 14:53Ryan Clark?

  When they announced Alabama, Michigan Dangin' pooped a brick.

• 14:59Channing Crowder?

  They know.

• 14:59Ryan Clark?

  Michigan stood up because Michigan even thought they're gonna put Florida State for. And when they said Alabama, you seen people in Michigan, like parts of the staff, like stand up, grab their head, look down. Why? Because they thought, if you give me Florida State without that quarterback, we got an easy win. We'll see you in the championship.

• 15:19Channing Crowder?

  I got an example for it. Right now, you a betting man. You don't bet like that. I know, me and Freddie gamble a lot. Florida State, Alabama tomorrow.

• 15:26Fred Taylor?

  I do gamble a lot.

• 15:28Channing Crowder?

  Freddie, Freddie, Florida State, Alabama in two hours, you gotta put your life savings on. Who you taking?

• 15:33Fred Taylor?

  Come on, bro. You can't. What's the line?

• 15:36Channing Crowder?

  Freddie, straight up, straight up. Who's gonna win that game? Florida State plays Alabama, and we, it's pregame right now. Life savings.

• 15:44Fred Taylor?

  I see what you did there. I'm gonna go with Bama.

• 15:46Ryan Clark?

  That's what the committee did was go with the team that's like the most competitive.

• 15:50Fred Taylor?

  Like the NFL too.

• 15:50Ryan Clark?

  Like y'all are saying these rules.

• 15:53Fred Taylor?

  Team heats up at certain times of the year and gain that momentum? That's what Bama did. They were struggling earlier on.

• 15:59Ryan Clark?

  Who's playing best now?

• 15:59Fred Taylor?

  Best right now.

• 16:00Ryan Clark?

  Ah, good point, Freddie.

• 16:01Fred Taylor?

  And unfortunately, Georgia could have settled a lot of that if they had just won. But then, then again, maybe not. I think Florida State probably still would have got the stick.

• 16:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, because if Georgia beats Bama, they put Texas in. Well, fellas, they asking again. They want our picks over at DraftKings, and when they your partner, you gotta do what you do. Listen, it's gonna be a big game, Buffalo at Kansas City, but I gotta go with the team that got the best quarterback in the world. I'm taking KC.

• 16:28Channing Crowder?

  RC, you know what I got. Seattle, last San Fran. You know I love San Fran. They're healthy now, but San Fran about to run them off the field.

• 16:35Fred Taylor?

  My game, guys, I like Philly at Dallas. I am gonna take Philly.

• 16:41Ryan Clark?

  Whoa.

• 16:41Fred Taylor?

  I am taking Philly.

• 16:43Ryan Clark?

  So Philly continues, huh?

• 16:44Fred Taylor?

  Philly continues.

• 16:45Ryan Clark?

  Well, so does KC. That's our bets.

• 16:48Channing Crowder?

  RC, you called it the other side of the argument that you're not on. But you totally explained their side of it.

• 16:55Ryan Clark?

  No, so I'm talking about what I thought, what I would have done. I would have put Florida State in.

• 17:04Channing Crowder?

  Because they beat up a bunch of little kids?

• 17:06Ryan Clark?

  Chad, they-

• 17:07Channing Crowder?

  See, they beat nobody and we're-

• 17:09Ryan Clark?

  Chad, but they-

• 17:09Channing Crowder?

  Florida LSU, they beat nobody.

• 17:11Ryan Clark?

  So, so, so the, what would have to be said was, they beat nobody without their quarterback. Right? Because that was the game they played Florida, who sucks.

• 17:21Channing Crowder?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:22Ryan Clark?

  Right? They played Louisville and all those teams. With their quarterback, they did beat LSU and they drummed them. Right? And Keon Coleman was the guy that played at a first-round level.

• 17:31Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Ryan Clark?

  Jordan Travis is probably in New York this week if he continues to play. He's in New York for the Heisman. And so all of those things are different. But yes, you have to evaluate who this team is without their quarterback. Because the same resume, the same way, the, the, the same wins, losses, opponents, all that. If the quarterback's there, they get in. Because they're undefeated and they're court- but, so that's the reason. So you do have to evaluate it from that. And so whereas, I guess what I'm saying is, I believe Florida State should be in. I wouldn't go argue this at a court in front of a jury of my peers. Right?

• 18:10Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 18:10Ryan Clark?

  I don't feel, I don't feel that strongly about it to where I gotta go fight for it. Because I understand the other side of the argument. And I mean, if I argued it, shoot, I could probably be, uh, Times Person of the Year. Or like, if I could sing. Bro, Taylor Swift. And, and, and maybe I'm, maybe I'm like, not as, as up on it. Because like, Taylor Swift got jams, bro. Like, Taylor Swift is like, the white Mary J in the sense of like, if you hurt her, she gonna turn that junk into a platinum plaque. You know what I mean? She gonna talk about you.

• 18:53Ryan Clark?

  And now it seems like if you're doing right by her too, because Karma could be, what was it? Karma is a guy in Kansas City or something like that. Like, it could be whatever. But she's the Times Person of the Year. And I believe like last year was some sort of person that runs a country.

• 19:11Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Ryan Clark?

  Or something like that. And I think she beat out people that did like really amazing things.

• 19:16Channing Crowder?

  This is worldwide, right?

• 19:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they brought like charges against Trump. It was, somebody in Russia or something was up for it. And a pop singer. Do you think that Taylor Swift's year deserves her being the Person of the Year?

• 19:37Ryan Clark?

  She just found out football was fun.

• 19:39Channing Crowder?

  I saw this and I had to do some research because I don't know. I'm not a Swiftie. I know people try to be Swifties now because it's cool to be a Swiftie. But what she did, her resume this year, fellas, it was stupid. Beyonce's Renaissance Tour and I'm in the Beehive. I'm a Beehive member, y'all. So I see my video on one of them TikToks, Instagrams.

• 19:59Ryan Clark?

  Because you're an influencer.

• 20:01Channing Crowder?

  There you go. I'm a Beehive member, I see.

• 20:03Ryan Clark?

  You know, you're, I don't mean to like stop the conversation, but I would love for you to admit that you and Jake Paul are similar now. Because you asked, you asked Jake Paul what he had done in life to be where he was. And you were all out on influencers. You be taping stuff to the ceiling now and doing that little dumb dance on the floor.

• 20:33Channing Crowder?

  We call it dumb. I will, I will adjust with the trends as a strong, successful man.

• 20:40Fred Taylor?

  So what's the difference in you and Jake Paul?

• 20:44Channing Crowder?

  I was a professional football player and then I'm, and professional at media and all. And he just dances around and sets shit on fire. I'm better at life than Jake Paul. He has more money. People bring up money all the time when I talk about it. He has more money. But I'm a, I'm, I am more talented. This body is more talented than Jake Paul's body. And I did it since I was younger. And now I just adjust to the trends of the modern day world. Because if you're not evolving, you're dying. So I'm evolving.

• 21:18Fred Taylor?

  Before we get back to Swiftie, before we get back to Taylor, are you a better influencer than Jake Paul and?

• 21:24Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 21:24Fred Taylor?

  Who would win in boxing?

• 21:26Channing Crowder?

  Me or Jake Paul?

• 21:27Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Channing Crowder?

  Is he, is he big enough? Could he fight me?

• 21:30Ryan Clark?

  He's 185, I think, 200?

• 21:32Channing Crowder?

  I'm 250. Yeah, I might wear his ass out. I'm just bigger than that.

• 21:37Fred Taylor?

  Jan, have you seen him work out?

• 21:38Channing Crowder?

  I don't give a shit what that little blondie boy does.

• 21:41Fred Taylor?

  He's taken that opportunity. He's getting after it. Like, the man is taking it serious.

• 21:46Ryan Clark?

  He has the best trainers.

• 21:47Fred Taylor?

  You, brother, you are not in shape.

• 21:48Channing Crowder?

  I tell you, I'm not in shape. If my playing days, I would beat that motherfucker to a pulp.

• 21:54Fred Taylor?

  We talking about now?

• 21:55Channing Crowder?

  Right now, he probably hit me in the stomach and I'll vomit some beer.

• 22:02Fred Taylor?

  Tap out. Tap out.

• 22:05Ryan Clark?

  But I'm just glad you, I'm glad you can now admit.

• 22:07Channing Crowder?

  I'm a grown man that comes around to trends.

• 22:12Ryan Clark?

  In, in truth, you are not an influencer. You are influenced.

• 22:19Channing Crowder?

  Oh, that sounds bad.

• 22:20Ryan Clark?

  Right, so, so for, so for, so for you.

• 22:22Channing Crowder?

  How are you resetting the title I've given myself?

• 22:26Ryan Clark?

  Because the title you've given yourself is fake. And so like in the, so in the sense of, right? So in the sense of this, right? We, we all start as, as something, right? We all have these foundational views of the world, right? Through our experiences. And your view was that being an influencer was, like, what was your feeling on Jake? It was stupid or?

• 22:49Channing Crowder?

  No, it was just like, what, what, what are you good at to be this famous? It's the same thing. I, I bring up the Kardashians with him. Like, what are they talented at? Other than having sex with people and looking pretty, like?

• 23:01Ryan Clark?

  Right, but you also.

• 23:02Channing Crowder?

  How do they get famous? Their daddy was rich and they had sex with a bunch of famous people. Let's be honest. That was my thought, like, is that good? Are you good at that?

• 23:08Ryan Clark?

  But Kim, Kim was GQ man, was GQ's man of the year.

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  She's a girl. She's a female. She's born female, right? And still female, which is most important. How was she the man of the year? Because I guess they looked at the way that she was operating in the business space, which is normally a male business space, and I think have taken that, that she has... You know what?

• 24:40Fred Taylor?

  It's...

• 24:40Ryan Clark?

  I don't know.

• 24:41Fred Taylor?

  It's simple.

• 24:42Ryan Clark?

  I don't know.

• 24:42Fred Taylor?

  It's really simple.

• 24:43Ryan Clark?

  The man of the year.

• 24:44Fred Taylor?

  The same way.

• 24:45Channing Crowder?

  Kim Kardashian's man of the year.

• 24:47Ryan Clark?

  I don't believe GQ has a woman of the year.

• 24:49Fred Taylor?

  But that, it goes to that point, RC. It's GQ, much like the committee. They do what the hell they want. It's simple. That's what they wanted to do. They did it. Companies, corporations, clout chase too.

• 25:04Ryan Clark?

  But that's ridiculous. So that's almost them being sexist.

• 25:06Fred Taylor?

  They're gonna get more... People go over there like, "Why? Why?" The debate is, "Why?"

• 25:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they, they go-

• 25:12Fred Taylor?

  Now, that's more shine on GQ.

• 25:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they, they-

• 25:15Channing Crowder?

  They can make it Person of the Year. Why didn't they pivot it to Person of the Year? Because they wanted to put a woman in that space.

• 25:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, because being able to say that Kim Kardashian is the Man of the Year will draw more eyeballs to it than saying that she's the Person of the Year. Because they will have people-

• 25:32Fred Taylor?

  That'll get lost in the wash.

• 25:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they will have people that think in the same vein that you do is, "What made Kim Kardashian, who is born female and continues to be classified as a female, is what makes her the Man of the Year?" So it makes it more like, "Ooh!", and like, people grab on to it and hold on to it and want to read how they spin it, why they thought it should be that. And it's the same thing, like, I think the switch to make Taylor Swift the Person of the Year, it's not about how she identifies as much as, "These people are normally people who changed the world in some way tangible."

• 26:17Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 26:17Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 26:18Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Ryan Clark?

  And so she's had to, she's changed the world through her music, through her business ventures. And I think you were starting to talk about something about Beyonce and the numbers and that.

• 26:27Channing Crowder?

  That's what I was gonna say. Beyonce made 150 million in her tour, the Renaissance Tour, which I went to. Amazing show. Taylor doubled that. She made like 300-plus. They said every city she went to, it was like bringing a Super Bowl to that city.

• 26:42Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 26:42Channing Crowder?

  All the hotels sold out. The economy went up. She was influencing people, and which I still think is a marketing move or a genius move. Then she got into the sports space by dating Travis Kelsey, one of the most famous, well-known, recognizable figures in football, in sports, damn near. That's how she, so, when I looked at it, when I first saw it, I'm like, "Taylor Swift is a person, who did she change? What has she done?" She's affected dozens of cities, made money for thousands, millions probably of people, and influenced, even as she influenced our life. It's three grown ass black men saying, talking about Taylor Swift. We talked about Taylor Swift a number of times now. She's influenced our lives.

• 27:25Channing Crowder?

  So think about the people that you didn't even think about Taylor Swift. You Googled her or looked her up. Once whatever happened, that's when I'm like, "You know what?"

• 27:32Ryan Clark?

  I have no problem with Time's name her Person of the Year.

• 27:35Fred Taylor?

  Taylor Swift, she also influenced Beyonce and the Beehive. When they were on strike, the movie production, she created the era tour, or the Taylor Swift tour. Had a movie, and then Beyonce, now she has the Renaissance film out. You know, and she kind of changed the whole way you view concerts. So you can go live in person, then you have an opportunity to go to the movies and watch it. At the theater, if you like, going to the movie theater, having a night out, and you can stream it. So she pretty much cut out the middleman in Hollywood where she can go directly. She doesn't have to go to the production studios. Like, they can just take it, she can put it in the theater, she can do business directly with the theaters.

• 28:19Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying, and give it back to people, so she's been a trendsetter. And she does her thing, man, like, people want to hate on her for whatever reason. I guess she came in, she was the goody-two-shoe, and then Yeezy did what he did, snatching the mic. And people felt that was wrong, you know what I'm saying? And they've been protecting her for a while, and she continues to just go this way. I don't have a problem with her. I don't, I don't listen to her music. You know, if it's on the radio, I hear like, oh, that's dope. But at the same time, I think she's deserving. I think she's deserving of it, I ain't got a problem with it.

• 28:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, I definitely, I mean, it ain't my, it isn't my choice. But I think to deny now the fact that she's had this year, especially as it's now leaked into the sports space, it's shown you the level of influence that she has. In the sense that the very, you go back to Sunday night against the Green Bay Packers, the very first ESPN SportsCenter post on social media was Travis Kelsey and the Chiefs lose in front of Taylor Swift.

• 29:33Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 29:33Ryan Clark?

  Right, and the NFL at some point changing their profile picture to Taylor Swift. We're talking about the biggest sports organization in the world.

• 29:45Ryan Clark?

  Right, the most powerful sports organization in America for sure. A multi, multi, multi-billion dollar business that has Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers and Travis Kelsey and all of these players, all of these Hall of Famers. And this woman became the biggest story just because she came to a game.

• 30:09Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 30:10Ryan Clark?

  Right, and so that shows that her influence is not only big as for her as an individual, but what Fred said, her business brand, right? Taylor Swift decided, oh, like, I can't have power over these songs? I'll re-record all of them.

• 30:27Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 30:29Ryan Clark?

  Right? And I think it's what you said, you called her a trendsetter. It's also her innovation, right? Like, it's like even in our space, like, it's one thing to have a level of talent to be able to do a certain job. Now, how do you take those talents and continue to evolve? And the conversation we had earlier, and, you know, you were saying, now, start to see, I can now see things through this lens, which initially I couldn't. You talk about a young lady who had a level of talent to do music, and now because she's been a part of the business for so long, she's had to sit in those rooms where people talked about her business, she's become her own business.

• 31:10Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 31:10Ryan Clark?

  And I think that's the, to me, that's the power in what she's done, and that's why she's Person of the Year, because it's like, I think it's like for all of us, right? Like, think about how dreams and goals evolved.

• 31:25Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? How, like, yes, you always had a goal of making it to the NFL because you thought about the monetary value of that. But first it was, I gotta be the best high school player I could be so I can get to college. Then you got to college, give me the classes I could take so I can stay eligible so I can go to the league.

• 31:44Fred Taylor?

  Oh, boy.

• 31:44Ryan Clark?

  Right, and then once that's over, it's radio, it's now it's podcasting, now, oh, so I can do TV, now it's, oh, I can do improv, now it's, oh, I can become an influencer, right? Like, those things evolve. Like, for Taylor Swift, those things evolved.

• 31:56Fred Taylor?

  I just want to say this, and whatever's going on in the world, I'd like to see Beyonce and Taylor Swift collab on a We Are The World type track.

• 32:06Channing Crowder?

  Do they go 50/50?

• 32:08Ryan Clark?

  Why not? Bro, do you remember in We Own the World, right? It went from Michael Jackson to like Cyndi Lauper and Bruce Springsteen. It was the worst transition in all of music. And if you watch it. But how did it make you feel? But if, no, but like there's a video of it. Michael Jackson was disgusted. Like, Michael Jackson realized in that moment when Cyndi Lauper started singing, "I should've sang this whole by myself."

• 32:36Channing Crowder?

  Who made it her turn?

• 32:37Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 32:38Channing Crowder?

  Why she bad as second?

• 32:41Channing Crowder?

  I ain't never getting home.

• 32:43Ryan Clark?

  Y'all always turning something into something, man. Hey, bro. Bro, Mike was like, "We should've just put her on the chorus." Like, how in the hell do you have all these people on the song and Cyndi Lauper gets a bar? And he was like...

• 32:58Channing Crowder?

  He slid in the line and stood there, made sure nobody saw her.

• 33:01Ryan Clark?

  That's that flavor of flag, national.

• 33:06Ryan Clark?

  She should've went in there and asked.

• 33:07Channing Crowder?

  Bro, no, I think it would be dope. That's all I wanted to say.

• 33:10Ryan Clark?

  No, I think, I, I, I do believe there should be a remake of the song. In the sense that if you have the Beyoncés, the, the Taylor Swifts and, you know.

• 33:22Channing Crowder?

  Bad Bunny.

• 33:23Ryan Clark?

  Bad Bunny, no, Bad Bunny would be on it, like, he would. Like, if you get all the best of the best in all genres of music and make the song. I think the, the difference is, like, then, it was kind of, like, hard to, like, tier the stars because it was, like, Michael Jackson and then everybody else. Like, the rest of y'all was in the song because y'all were stars, but y'all weren't Michael Jackson. But now, there is, like, Taylor Swift and Beyonce. And then it's like, are we gonna go get Keisha Cole? You know what I mean? So it's like, it's like, how do we figure out, you know?

• 33:58Channing Crowder?

  Who those voices are?

• 33:59Ryan Clark?

  Like, who the voices?

• 34:00Channing Crowder?

  Was Prince on the song? We Own the World? I never listened to the whole thing because once, um, Cyndi Lauper went, it was over for me.

• 34:07Ryan Clark?

  Lauper?

• 34:07Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 34:08Ryan Clark?

  Her?

• 34:08Channing Crowder?

  What, but, but Prince and, Prince and Mike to hit, to Freddie's point, Beyonce and Taylor don't have no beef. The Beehive and the Swifties don't like each other for some crazy reason. But Taylor Swift and Beyonce don't have no beef. I think back then, I don't know if it's social media or whatever it is, I think back then, a lot of, like, a lot of famous people weren't tight like that.

• 34:26Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, but yeah, I realized too, back then, people couldn't connect.

• 34:30Channing Crowder?

  And that's, it's not just they hated each other, that's, yeah, to the point, I couldn't DM you if you lived in California and I was in Florida.

• 34:36Ryan Clark?

  Like, people could, and too, though, like, business wasn't as big, right? Like, like, business creates relationships now. It's like, we don't really rock, I don't necessarily really know you, but I know if they see me and you in the picture, I know what that's gonna do.

• 34:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 34:54Ryan Clark?

  Right? Because now, that tells the Beehive, oh, she's okay. And now, that tells the Swifties, oh, she's okay. It's like Travis's profile, that was as big as any football player's profile in the entire world, is now astronomically bigger, in a year, he's probably playing the worst. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, like, like, that, that, that's just...

• 35:18Channing Crowder?

  Who you know.

• 35:19Ryan Clark?

  You know, you talk about, like, the, the, the profile of it all, like, you think of somebody, and, and how those things take hits by perception, like, you think of somebody like Diddy now. You know, like, we grew up, like, Diddy was a part of the fabric of all of our music, you know? And, and so now, it's also too, man, it brings back up the separation of person and artist.

• 35:46Channing Crowder?

  Hundred percent.

• 35:47Ryan Clark?

  Right? Because it's, you know, whether it's R. Kelly, or, or, or, or...

• 35:52Channing Crowder?

  Michael?

• 35:53Ryan Clark?

  Michael.

• 35:54Channing Crowder?

  Michael Jackson?

• 35:55Ryan Clark?

  And it's like, how do you separate those things? And now, Diddy is in a situation, and like, if you, I don't know if you guys have read the affidavit in the civil suit with Cassie, but like, even me, as an adult man, reading some of those things, it's, to me...

• 36:12Channing Crowder?

  Disturbing.

• 36:12Ryan Clark?

  And like, to me, bottom line, and, and this is just me, like, what I'm about to say, it don't have to be associated with Fred, it doesn't have to be associated with Channing, doesn't have to be associated with The Pivot, like, this is Ryan Clark. Bottom line, period, bro, you beat or rape a woman, like, your ass deserves to be in jail.

• 36:32Ryan Clark?

  Period.

• 36:32Fred Taylor?

  Yes.

• 36:33Ryan Clark?

  Like, I don't care if, I don't care if it's 20 years down the line, 30 years down the line. I got two babies, bro. I got two girls. And, period, point blank, you rape or you beat a woman, your ass deserves to go to jail. And I feel like, when you in jail, they should put you in a special part, where that's your life.

• 36:57Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 36:58Ryan Clark?

  You know, and so...

• 36:59Fred Taylor?

  Lot of showers every day.

• 37:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and so like, that's, that's my thought on that. But then you read the, you read the rest of it, and now you start to see, though, for Diddy, bro, I feel like it's every day, there's a new story, there's a new accusation, there's a new allegation. Just recently, he finally broke his silence, and he's saying that he didn't do any of the things that he's being accused of, which to me, brings into question, when you say "any", Cassie's case is a part of that, which is now settled. And if you listen to it, the way she filed the suit, it did bring in all of the businesses as well. So it wasn't just Diddy's decision to settle.

• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  But, so you're saying that what happened with Cassie didn't happen, and then now you're seeing things, and I want to get this lady's name right, Fred, so make sure I do, Kim Porter, who he, you know, has children with as well, and like, all of these like, cryptic things by the Kamora Lee Simmonses and all these people being put out, like, you know, truth will come to light, and eventually karma comes around. And so it's seeming like, he had been at least thought of in these ways. When you look at that situation, Fred, what do you feel about it?

• 38:16Fred Taylor?

  It's a lot to unpack, but, simply put, as you said, if you wronged any of these people that are bringing forth these claims, you deserve what you deserve. And that's, whether that's, you know, losing business opportunities or being in jail. And that's just that.

• 38:33Fred Taylor?

  One of my questions was... You know, the statutes of limitation, I think it was brilliant by whoever lawmakers in the state of New York when they created the Survivors Act and they actually put a deadline on it. It gave people who typically wouldn't come forward an opportunity to be brave and kind of bring their cases forward. It also created opportunities for their court systems to also monetize, which is just part of it. I have a daughter, you know, so I have responsibility to feel a certain type of way if someone were to have treated her that way, you do and you do too, and anyone else that's out there.

• 39:15Fred Taylor?

  For a while, a part of me felt like there should be a statute of limitations, but I also, because of my daughter and really thinking about it, like, hell no. Like, I don't care at what point you wrong my daughter, if she has a voice or whenever she develops courage to speak on it, I think it should be listened to, examined, and you should accept whatever punishment that comes forward. So if these things did happen, shit, we burn in hell, you know, but if they didn't, and if people are just making false accusations in some of these claims, which now everybody's out there, you know, then I don't think that part of it is right.

• 39:57Fred Taylor?

  But I just think Diddy is now speaking because that window closed. You know, it expired a week or two ago, what have you. So I think from a timing standpoint, and he now coming out to speak, a lot of other people aren't going to bring forth those type of claims because that window is ticking.

• 40:14Ryan Clark?

  Well, I don't think, I don't think now it's so much about the claims as much as it is just about because of social media, because of the advent of podcasts, you can say whatever you want, right? And those things, like, go back to Will Smith. Like, once the stuff started to come out with Jada, and Jada was beating down on him, now people are listening to anybody. The security guard comes out and says Will was having sex with Dwayne Martin. And because you start to believe someone is suspect, or you believe, or you hear that a certain thing happens, now everybody's... If I was just sitting here today and I was like, shit... Diddy tried me one time. Right? People would at least give it credence, and I ain't never met the man.

• 40:59Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 40:59Ryan Clark?

  Right? You do have to start to, unfortunately, you do have to start to weigh every following allegation, every following story, every following conversation with the understanding that he's an easy target to hit right now because of what we at least perceive to be true in the settled case, in the settled civil case. With Cassie, now it's like, okay, but then like you start, then you start piecing things together, you know, like Alex Fine, who is Cassie's husband, you know, runs in like this 50 mile or something domestic violence thing. And you're sitting around and you're like, well, why is he running in domestic violence races?

• 41:43Ryan Clark?

  Why is Cassie there at the finish line crying? And whether those things are connected or not, the human mind is, now that makes sense.

• 41:52Channing Crowder?

  Innocent, innocent till proven guilty. That's legal. The statute of limitations, that's legal. That's in the courts.

• 41:59Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 42:00Channing Crowder?

  We're the judge, jury and prosecution in our minds. So what Diddy, what's gonna happen to Diddy? We're supposed to let the case play out, but now, we can't see the case. We can't get the proof. We can't get that. So now it really almost leaves us to getting our own devices, and I say it all the time. This is my thing with R. Kelly, when the statements are coming out back to back to back, other people. If you're in one drive-by shooting, you were just a bystander.

• 42:25Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 42:25Channing Crowder?

  If you're in 12 drive-by shootings, there's some decision you're making in your life that's making you be in those situations. And that would be my thing, is all these things come out, to your point with Diddy being now an easy target, to that side of it. Now, anybody come out and say whatever it wants about him, and now data's talking about Will, now people say stuff about Will, and you kind of think about it because you're like, oh, it's two people saying something about Will now.

• 42:49Ryan Clark?

  Correct.

• 42:50Channing Crowder?

  But... If you're around that shit too much, I think something's wrong with you. Why are all these people coming out and saying it? So the court system can have all their rules they want to. I'mma look at the situation and I'mma figure out what I have in my mind. And I'm with you, RC. If anything can be proven about touching a woman or molesting a woman, anything like that, kids too, any advantage you're taking over another person. Hell, men too.

• 43:19Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 43:20Channing Crowder?

  If you're taking advantage physically of another living thing, your ass should be in a Saw movie with some of that crazy shit that little man on the bike did. Like, I want you to really suffer. I don't want you to sit in a cell and eat no commissary. But the problem is that the legal side, you can always take that side as a criminal. You can always take that side, get a good attorney. We've seen it in the past. Johnny Cochran, you can get them and say, legally, I'm free. OJ Simpson ass running around TikToking now. So you can do that legally, but to your point about the public opinion? Oh, yeah. Diddy would never be the same. Rich people get attorneys and great publicists. That's what rich people do when they get in trouble.

• 44:03Ryan Clark?

  Well, I think, like, the other piece of it too that stands out to me is like, I try to be the best I can be to look at it the outside perspective and be fair. You know? I believe that everybody should have the right to tell their story. And I think the...

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• 45:25Ryan Clark?

  The intention of the law was for those people who in that moment didn't feel the strength or didn't feel like they'd be supported if they brought these allegations against some of these very powerful people in some of these cases, that now they may be in a place in their life where they can, right? And you want to give them the ability to do that. And I think on the other side of it too is, you also wonder, is 100% of these people guilty of what they're being accused of after the fact now? And those are things we don't get to know. And so I think that that's the very hard part about, so what's proven is proven. And so I think that's the, but what I will say is this-

• 46:09Channing Crowder?

  What do we do with that information, though?

• 46:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I don't think, I think most of it is not our information to do anything with. You know, it's definitely not our information to persecute Sean Combs for, or Diddy for. But it is, to me, our information to 100% be able to say, if you are guilty of raping or assaulting a woman, your ass should be in jail.

• 46:33Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 46:33Ryan Clark?

  You should be punished for it, period. I don't think that's hard to say. I don't think that's a controversial stance to take. I think that's the stance that should be taken. But it also, what it brings to light to me, though, is like, how difficult it is to be a woman. You know, and in the sense of, like, how hard it is to deal with those things, the power that men can wield, and the influence that they can use into making you do certain things and then feel helpless in stopping them. And that's not the case in all of these situations. But I also think about-

• 47:17Ryan Clark?

  Like how under supported like women are, but also how under supported black women are. You know, and I thought about it when it pertained to Diddy's previous relationship with Kim. For all of these people now to intimate or hint that he'd always been this, or that he done this to her. Where were the voices then? Why couldn't she speak up? And when you look at black women in particular, they're not supported by law, right? They're not supported by the healthcare system. And in a lot of cases, they aren't supported by us. Like where were the dudes that were around maybe her situation,

• 48:01Ryan Clark?

  but also maybe Cassie's situation? That could be like, say, bro, like, that's fucked up. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's not to pass judgment on relationships to me, right? Because if you're in a relationship and you aren't necessarily conducting yourself in a way that like I would conduct myself or decisions I would make, it's not my job to give you information on that. It's not my job to advise you when that's not my business, right? But if I'm your friend, if I'm truly your friend, or you're somebody that I feel I have a commonality with, if you're doing things to harm an individual,

• 48:43Ryan Clark?

  whether emotionally, mentally, or physically, and I know it, like, I'm supposed to stop that.

• 48:50Channing Crowder?

  I would, I would say in the black community, because it's happened before, that's they business.

• 48:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Channing Crowder?

  Like, we think about it that way. To your point about men and women's relationships, that it. That ain't my wife. That's they business, which that's wrong. So you put that black woman in a terrible situation, being abused by her husband, her significant other, whoever that is, that's they business. No, that's your business. That could be your sister. That could be your daughter. That's your business. I think that is a point of black culture. Oh, they've been married eight, nine years. That's they business.

• 49:20Ryan Clark?

  I agree with some of that. Because like the, the inner workings and natures of your relationship is your business. Right, I'm not, I'm not talking about the, the, the day to day of it. Right, I'm not talking about the way you guys converse. I'm not talking about the way you guys love one another. I'm not talking about the roles in which you set your requirements to your wife, and your wife sets her requirements to you. I'm not talking about the way in which y'all support one another. No. What I'm saying is, man, if, if, if I'm sitting at home, right, and you know how it happens, if your significant other or your wife is having a conversation with her homegirl, who may be married to your homeboy, and she comes in,

• 50:05Ryan Clark?

  like, because I know how I am, when the conversation starts, I immediately go, I don't want to know. Like, I'm gonna be honest, I immediately go, that's not my business. Right, because I want to walk into the home with them and be able to have a conversation with them, not based on things that I'm not supposed to know. Right, and so that, like, that's, I think that's already one thing, especially as black men that we do. Right, and because it's like, I don't want to be nosy, I don't want to be catty, I don't want to be petty, I don't want to be messy, all of those things. And so, I think another large reason for that is, like, once you get information, you do have to deal with it individually, of what do I do with it? You see what I'm saying?

• 50:46Ryan Clark?

  And so now, my point is, I can't know, bro, like, you and you, like, just take us three for instance. If somebody you know put their, put their hands on a woman, if, if, if your homeboy comes in, and he, and he, he's bragging, he's drunk bragging, she had to take it from her, you had to, what? Right, like, it is our responsibility to do something. And I, I can be honest and say, maybe I wasn't like this always, but I know, like, you have to be like this now.

• 51:16Channing Crowder?

  To the point of checking, I think we're a checker dude. You have to. Even to this point right now, if I knew, if that, I knew somebody that hit a woman, I would guaranteeingly call him, meet up with him and check him. You don't touch no woman. Would I go to the court? Would I call the police right then and say, I know a woman abuser? Is that my place? I think that's the point where I think a lot of people sit. You can check the dude, but am I gonna be the first witness to this dude being arrested?

• 51:47Ryan Clark?

  You're not, and you know why? Because you've seen too many relationships where the woman actually doesn't want you to do that.

• 51:53Channing Crowder?

  I think about it, because in college, it happened to me.

• 51:58Channing Crowder?

  Man and woman fighting, I'm in the barber shop in Gainesville. Right across the street from the gas station was a kangaroo. And they're fighting, walking down the sidewalk. I see the dude right back and slap the woman. I go over there and jack the dude up against the wall. Man, don't hit no woman.

• 52:12Channing Crowder?

  Now it's a big black dude out there, you know, hitting us like a Spanish dude. He wasn't little, but he wasn't my size, throw him against the wall. Gainesville police come. Hey, what's going on? I look at the girl. I'm like, tell them what's going on. I just saved your life, I just saved you from being beat up. Tell them what's going on. She said, this dude walked across the street and tried to fight my boyfriend.

• 52:35Channing Crowder?

  I said, what happened? I came across the street to defend you. And now you're gonna defend your boyfriend? And that's a place you are for a conversation to happen? I think that's a place you're in a lot of times, like, am I by myself in this? Because love's involved. Kids are sometimes involved, a long-term relationship's involved. I'm now, like I said, I'm gonna be the number one witness to break up that? When y'all might not wanna be apart?

• 53:03Channing Crowder?

  Where do I sit with that?

• 53:04Fred Taylor?

  You gotta sit what's right in your heart. Whatever you feel right at that moment to do in your mind or heart, you gotta do that. Whatever happens in their situations after that is between them. It's not your job to go call the police. It's not your job to do anything other than to try and protect the woman from being abused. Especially if you can see it. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's the stance I would take. I'm not gonna sit there and ever let a woman get beat up by a dude. I don't care what's going on, even if I have to lose my life for it. I'm not having that shit, get your hands off the lady. If you guys, even just breaking up the moment, if you guys go and leave and y'all get home and y'all recreate that moment,

• 53:49Fred Taylor?

  that's out of my, you know, my scope. But you're not fighting a woman in front of me. You're not gonna talk to me about you, you did nothing crazy, you took nothing from a woman. Like, who does that? Like, who the [bleep], what sick person?

• 54:01Channing Crowder?

  But there are sick, evil motherfuckers like that, bro.

• 54:04Fred Taylor?

  But to go back and have a conversation about taking something?

• 54:07Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 54:08Fred Taylor?

  Like, that's crazy. Like, no, that doesn't, that doesn't fly with me.

• 54:12Channing Crowder?

  And you know what, though?

• 54:12Fred Taylor?

  I don't like that.

• 54:13Channing Crowder?

  It makes the point too, though, Freddie T, of...

• 54:17Ryan Clark?

  And you know, like, I grew up around, like, I had uncles and aunts and grandparents and, well, not grandparents, and older people around who talked about relationships. And like, hearing, like, the woman would protect the man because she loved him so much, she wouldn't want her sister, or her brother, or her mom, looking at him that way. And she knew she wasn't walking out, so she wouldn't want to go share what she's going through with them, because you know how it is, like, you know, like, I'm that way with y'all. Like, you might tell me you had one simple interaction with somebody that you didn't like, that you might forgive, and like, you cool about.

• 55:01Ryan Clark?

  You know me, I'll not talk to him forever. Just based off of you. And I'm the same way, like, I might be like, "Oh, I ain't worried about it, though." And then you might see a dude and be like, "Nah, like, he did you like that? Like, I ain't never, like, that's just, that's just how it works." So it's like that in family, too. You know, and so like, you feel like, like, they've protected that person because they know they want to be with that person, and they know that they, that they love them, and their lives are intertwined in a way that ours aren't. We only see our loved ones. And so like, that person is protecting them, or you're not sharing things that are going on in your house because you don't want that person to be looked at in that way, or disrespected in that way. And I think it's just so much that goes into it, and, you know, I think that's, I think that's tough, man, it's like...

• 55:46Channing Crowder?

  And I think, I just want to say, I like, a lot of this is not just, I said, black culture earlier?

• 55:50Ryan Clark?

  It's everywhere.

• 55:51Channing Crowder?

  I think a lot of this is human culture.

• 55:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 55:52Channing Crowder?

  To be honest. Just that circle you're just bringing up. The victim, the accuser, the, you know, the criminal, I'll call him. Who, who's supposed to be the whistleblower? If the victim doesn't want to blow the whistle, who's blowing the whistle? And I think that's just human nature and I think it's family. I think it's honestly, first thing it is is love. Love gets involved and I think that little circle is just a, it really, it really enables abuse, sexual assault and all that for that purpose of, there's too much emotion involved in all that.

• 56:26Fred Taylor?

  Do you think the act that, the survivors act that the state of New York created, do you think having, most of the time we're gonna talk about it when it's high-profile celebrities, right? Do you think that created an opportunity or a situation for people who don't have a bigger voice? To build courage to be able to come forward? The cases we don't hear about.

• 56:51Channing Crowder?

  100% Freddie.

• 56:52Fred Taylor?

  And then the volume and those amount of cases. So do you think it was a good thing or a bad thing?

• 56:58Channing Crowder?

  I think it was a good thing, but they really have to do their due diligence because of the fact that there is false accusations. And I don't want somebody to have a grudge against someone else and try to, you know, from a grudge from the past and try to bring up something just to badmouth them or, you know, get them in jail, hurt them in some kind of way. So if you can prove it, if you can prove, if you have proof that this happened 72 years ago and you can prove that this person wronged this woman, wronged this man, abused, raped, whatever it is, you need to go to jail, like RC said. If that can be proven, your ass needs to be in the worst, deepest pit in you, they can find in any country you in.

• 57:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I was looking for like a great transition to get to something else, but I don't really have one. And I'm actually good at TV sometimes. I think that is though, that is like the nature of life. Like for us, like a lot of good things are happening. It's the holidays, you know, we just had Thanksgiving. We're coming up on Christmas and the three of us are trying to figure out what gifts we're gonna buy and what we're gonna do with our families. And then on the other side of that, in other homes, they're dealing with issues. Just like we're talking about. And I think that that's, that's the real life, man. That's why the show was created.

• 58:18Ryan Clark?

  We actually didn't have any idea we were going to get into that conversation. But it's what the conversation was. We see y'all on Tuesday.

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