China is re-producing Enthusiast Cars: Is it a Good Thing?

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farrar here and our show today is sponsored by Off the Record. We love Off the Record because they're looking out for me like they're looking out for you. If you get a ticket behind the wheel of your vehicle, could be a big ticket, could be a small ticket, doesn't matter, you don't want to plead guilty to that ticket. You want to get in touch with Off the Record at offtherecord.com/tst. Off the Record will send a qualified attorney to represent you for a very reasonable amount of money and these guys have an unbelievably good track record. Off the Record will fight that ticket as far as they can to keep those points off your

• 0:44Matt Farah?

  record, potentially saving you lots of money in insurance or potentially saving your employment situation. You don't want points on your record, it's bad scene, okay? So go to offtherecord.com/tst, use that link for 10% off all services rendered from Off the Record and tell them we sent you and then tell me how it went. I like when you guys send me emails that say they got dismissed, it's awesome. You get that text message, it's great when it shows up fully dismissed. OfftheRecord.com/tst. All right folks, on this episode of the program, I talk about my experience driving the high downforce Zinger 21C on track at Willow Springs.

• 1:26Matt Farah?

  And then Zach and I realized the kind of competition that we are in for, we're actually going to be racing against a bunch of NASCAR drivers at the Cletus race in Connecticut. I bought some new gear for my Vespa and there's Chinese knockoffs of entire car unibodies. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Hi everybody, fucking happy, well you're not, it's going to be after 4th of July weekend by the time most y'alls hear this, unless some of you are in the office right now, fully fucking checked out, live streaming because you're a patriot. Because you're, you're a patriot, what's Patreon, what's a Patreon patriot?

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  You're a patri-

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Like you're paying money into the system? Aren't we all, Matt?

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  No, no, but like, I was trying to-

• 2:14Speaker 01

  It's called taxes.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  I was trying to conflate-

• 2:16Speaker 01

  I see.

• 2:17Matt Farah?

  The terms, cuz they're similar, cuz they start with patri-

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Patriant?

• 2:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Let's workshop that a little bit.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24Matt Farah?

  It's a little clunky. Uh, Zach is wearing his Monterey blazer that he designed with the grotto.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33Matt Farah?

  We are, we're slanging blazers, folks. Zach's got the dope liner on his. I abstained from an aggressive liner on mine, I usually do, but Zach went for it.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  I'm really-

• 2:44Matt Farah?

  These are great.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Like, it was really fun picking it out, which like, if you get a suit from them, you get to do this, and they have all the fabric books-

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  And the buttons and stuff, but I kinda forgot, cuz of my brain, like, what we'd chosen.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  And then your, your, your material on your jacket is so soft, cuz it's like a thicker, winter-ish-

• 3:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  You know, colder weather thing.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  It's a wool.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  It's a wool?

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  And then mine's like, and you, I got to pick the buttons, which have like, you know, blue thread in between, and like, the white-

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  Is yours linen? It's linen, I mean, it's-

• 3:12Speaker 01

  I don't think it's linen.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  It's a linen blend, for sure.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:15Matt Farah?

  It's a linen blend, it's a lighter, summery one, so-

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  It's awesome. The hood is removable, and, uh, it looks great with or without the hood. And I realized, or we realized yesterday, that if you, if you remove the hood, like, let's say, you're in the car, wearing your dope-ass blazer, with your lady.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  The top is down, and it's windy, you can undo the hood bit from the blazer, which I did my, undid mine while wearing the blazer, actually.

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  You can do it, and then you take it off, and give it, and then it's like a bonnet. Like, she could tie it for like, her hair, in a convertible.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 3:52Matt Farah?

  Like, Felman Louise-ish.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  And also, um, I was saying to you, like, every time Sarah and I come back from Santa Cruz, I drive, and she's on the west-facing window, and just gets blasted by the sun, and it's usually at hour three, that she like, makeshifts something over her face to hide it from the sun, but now, just give her this thing.

• 4:11Matt Farah?

  Or, she could get one of those big tanning mirrors to even out the other side.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  Like, the late 60s, where it's just-

• 4:17Speaker 01

  She, Sarah looked through our photos, which like, looked really crispy, cuz we used a good camera, and like, you know, the background was nice, and she's like, "Oh, next time I'll bring a bounce for your guys' face," and I was like, "This, I mean, yes, but this is getting a little bit."

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  We walked across the street.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  Apple can clean this up. Yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 4:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we framed out like the back of the Clippers building.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  But the photos looked alright?

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did.

• 4:40Matt Farah?

  Alright, cool.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  They look nice.

• 4:41Matt Farah?

  Cool. So you shot me and I shot you.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  So did, could Sarah tell who was the better photographer?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Uh... I think they kinda look the same because we both use an auto.

• 4:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Not to be dismissive to your university.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  It was literally the first time I'd ever used that camera.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:00Matt Farah?

  So if I had tried to do some kind of full manual thing, it would have been very diminishing returns.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  You are way better at smiling on cue. Like you've got, you do it in the thumbnails and stuff. You have it. I don't have it. So I was, I was smoldering or I was like, and, and I asked her advice the night before. I was like, what should I do for these photos? And she thinks really hard. Uh, and she's just like, "Don't, don't think that the thing you're doing is dumb." She's like, "Just do the thing." Because she knows how my brain works.

• 5:29Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  You feel uncomfortable and then you'll make fun of it and then you'll look stupid.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  So I tried not to do that.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  You have to put, you gotta push through the feeling stupid. That's really the hardest part of being on camera. Because like when, I don't know, for me, you know, that's, that's like, you know, why I enjoy working on top of a mountain with just you.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  Rather than man on the street, you know, shit, which is like my nightmare.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Hmm. But speaking of that, but speaking in front, but you know, when you're on a trip, like a press trip, and if there's a journalist in the car with me, I don't want to do the in-car with them in there. I can maybe if I've spent a day with them or I know them, but I still hate it. And if I don't know them, like I'm leaving them on the side of the road and I might remember to pick them up.

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  There's three or four people outside of you that I would do in-car with them sitting there. You know, there's, there's not a lot.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  And one of them is JF, you know.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:30Matt Farah?

  In terms of other journalists, I think I had to do, the last time I actually had to do in-car with someone in the car, I think... Was Kyle Kennard on the Spyder RS press launch in Germany.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Love him.

• 6:44Matt Farah?

  Love, and I love Kyle Kennard, and he fully gets it, and we are on the same, uh, the same vibe, and that was pretty mellow. Uh, he's on the list, uh, but there's not a lot of people. Cause like, other, I'm trying to think, if, if I had to do in-car with Chris Harris sitting in the car.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't make it, he would be immediately out of frame, like, just making blowjob faces.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  He would. He'd be trying to fuck you up. Dude, when we were, I mean, this is 10 years ago, but we did that episode in France. I'm up there on a podium at Le Mans, we're doing that Tour of Le Mans thing.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  And he's yelling into my radio, but only I can hear my earpiece, "Zach, don't say penis", while this French guy with a microphone for 10,000 people is asking me about our drive. Like, and he would do the same thing one on one in the car.

• 7:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you cannot get worked on.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  He'd go, he would just be like, "Oh, that many words? But you said so little", or whatever, whatever the fuck. Yeah.

• 7:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's, that's a hostile working environment.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  It is. The one funny, I had to do in-car with someone in the car, and I had just met them that morning, but they were so new to the industry, that when I was done, they were like, "You're really good at that", and the whole time I was like, "This is dog shit", and they're hearing it, and I'm stumbling, and I'm resetting, and so if they're brand new, they might think you're doing better, but if it's one of our friends or someone who's established, terrifying.

• 8:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There's, there's, yeah.

• 8:20Matt Farah?

  You don't want them giving you notes, either. Hey, but, yeah. Uh, Jeff Klucker, I'll do in-car with Jeff Klucker, being there, he, you know, he's, he's good, but like, who would I, yeah, Harris is the, is probably... The la- any, almost anyone British. I mean, you can, I don't wanna be in the car with an Englishman. Period. Doing in-car because like, they just have better words than me.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Their educational system is truly, and I'm not trying to like blah blah blah US like, I think that whole country's focus on English language writing and everything is amazing. I'm reading Richard Porter's book right now and he talks about how him and Clarkson were nerds about words. And obviously it shows, but then reading the book, I'm like, yeah.

• 9:03Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Like just the, the way it flows and the way he chooses different things and plays around, oh my God.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like I'm, I'm pretty, I'm pretty good with words on, with typing. I'm not good with words, you know, in real time, the way the English are.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Oh, it's perfect. Yeah, it's perfect delivery. I'm pretty good with words and you, and for people who are listening, he taps the thing, can't think of the word, he's like, typing.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you and me both, dude. Man.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  Um, but uh, dude, let's see, the zinger video is up, uh, 21C, high downforce on track. You, here's how you could tell the downforce works. Guys, gotta take a break from this show for FitBod, loving FitBod. Why? Variety. Repetitive workouts are the fastest way to fall off your exercise game, especially during the summer when you just wanna kick back. And I know it. I plateau and fall off when I just default to cardio every day. I need my trainer changing up those workouts constantly. That way I'm always doing new muscle groups. I'm always confusing my muscles. It's good to confuse your muscles, make them strong.

• 10:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, but FitBod is here to keep you locked in by making every season a new challenge, taking that mental load away from planning the right exercises at the right intensity so you can stay focused on your gains. And it's much, much more affordable than an actual trainer at your house. I mean, I have, I have, I, I, I have such poor motivation and I also have a lot of physical therapy needs, so I do spend a lot of time with my trainer. But using FitBod is as close as you can get to a real trainer. It's like having a trainer in your pocket. It customizes workouts based on your goals and that could be targeting specific muscle group, weight loss, recovery. The app can help you stay focused and get a better workout, right?

• 11:01Matt Farah?

  The intensity goes up and up and up as you go. And with all of the videos, the 1,000 demonstration videos that show you how to do each workout, you know your form is going to be great, right? Over the last three years, I've worked on my strength, my endurance, and it's all gotten better. And this could be you too with FitBod, right? It creates a personalized workout routine based on your goals, workouts that adapt to your growth, so it remains challenging enough to push you to make progress. FitBod tracks your muscle recovery, so you can avoid burnout and keep up that momentum. FitBod is fine tuned by experienced certified personal trainers, so you've got best practices and exercise science built right in.

• 11:43Matt Farah?

  And you can level up your workouts with those customized fitness plans that work for you with over 1,000 demonstration videos. So this summer, push your progress and see what you're really capable of. Join FitBod today. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app for free for seven days at fitbod.me/tire. That's F-I-T-B-O-D dot M-E slash tire. Fitbod dot M-E slash tire. Here's how you can tell the downforce works. My words are not very good in this video. It's not my best driving and talking, because this car is very fast, very scary.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  It makes, you know, Streets of Willow is, it's not a quote "small track," but it's a lot of corners for, it's like 2.2 miles and it's like 19 corners or something. It's a lot of corners and not much in terms of straightaways. It's very much sort of a club track, right? So if you have, you know, 400 horsepower, 500 horsepower car, you're having a really good time on that track. Like, that's like, right?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  You're going fast, uh, and you can explore that engine in a couple of places. And there's also some spots where if you got on it too hard, you could have a fuck up.

• 13:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  But whereas if you had 200 horsepower, probably not.

• 13:03Matt Farah?

  Right. So with 1,250 horsepower, it is a different kind of situation. Um, so it's just the, the straightaways become so short. You know, the, uh, and it is still on a road tire. And so although you have the downforce for the, the higher speeds stuff in a hairpin, you know, you are limited by the, the limit of a, of a sticky, but it's, but it's a street tire, right? And so there's sort of a, a, uh, a disconnect a little bit between the, the high speed limitations and the low speed limitations of the car.

• 13:46Matt Farah?

  And so on a, like a really big track, the difference between this and a, and like a regular car,

• 13:56Matt Farah?

  around these many hairpins is probably like, or around the many corners is probably bigger. Like at Spa or whatever, where the average lapped speed is higher. Um, here it's just like, it's a little more point and shoot, but a lot of the ways you're pointing and shooting are quite short and they just disappear so quickly in this car.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 14:16Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  It's 3,300 pounds of downforce.

• 14:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Something like that. That's.

• 14:21Matt Farah?

  It equals its own.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, sorry. High downforce version is 4,400 pounds.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  It, it has its own weight, more than its own weight downforce. So in theory you could do the upside down thing, but like it's, it's, it's very, very sticky and it's very, very fast. And also this was like this car's first outing. And it was, we shot this in, when did we shoot this? Before.

• 14:46Matt Farah?

  Before the Indy 500. Yeah, you were in jury duty.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's when, so it was June 7th or something like that.

• 14:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was before the Indy 500. So this car has done a bunch of stuff, you know, with other people since I've driven it. But, you know, they were nice enough to bring it to the track. But they were like, you know, please don't fuck this thing up because it's got a bunch of dates, you know, after you, like nationwide press tour.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 15:13Matt Farah?

  The, the color of this thing is wild.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  It, it doesn't show up that well on your Instagrams because this was shot at noon, but like in the beauty shots, oh my God, it's like this.

• 15:22Matt Farah?

  Python green carbon.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 15:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's lovely. And what's actually really funny is because this is, it's the high downforce car, but it has the comfort seat. And if I was, you know, billionaire buying a Zinger, I would get the comfort seat for sure. But as one might imagine, it's actually not enough seat for this, for really track work. And so I found myself having to like brace on the car, like almost like I did in like a Mustang Dark Horse, which is, which is pretty funny.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, all this money and you're like putting your leg out.

• 16:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And like if I was driving it on the road, like of course the comfort seat as opposed to, I've never even seen it in person. But the, the carbon bucket, if you, they showed me a photo of it, maybe one, I'm sure it exists somewhere. I certainly wouldn't want to own this car with it.

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  Maybe if they had like, you know what would be cool? And I bet you they would do this. They're a small agile company. I bet if you got one and you wanted to, to take it to a track day like this. And they had, could send out a support team, which they obviously did for this car. There was a couple of guys in a, in a support truck. If they could somehow quickly swap, just swap out the seat. Cause it is, it's a ma- it's on a, it's a manual seat.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  They probably could.

• 16:50Matt Farah?

  It's on a, it's on a slider, like you could, you could probably just, you know.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  The door's open enough.

• 16:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it couldn't be that hard.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:57Matt Farah?

  So, uh, that would be a fun thing, if they could hot swap the seat.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:02Matt Farah?

  For you for a track day.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  You definitely need to.

• 17:03Matt Farah?

  Did you find a photo of it?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Uh, the seat?

• 17:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 17:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, it, you know, picture a carbon bucket seat.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  It's a lot like, it, you know, it's not too different from like the M carbon bucket seat. Uh, that's the back of it.

• 17:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it, I think it pretty much, it might like be the M seat back, but it doesn't have the, the cup and the balls, which makes it better, so.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Right, and it comes, you know, so it comes around a lot farther, especially on the hips.

• 17:27Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, that would be helpful when you're going this frickin' fast. I mean, the, the driving was fast and back to your point, like, hard to do in car when you need to focus that much or you might crash or die, like this is a lot to wrangle.

• 17:41Matt Farah?

  Right, like, driving and talking, for me, is not a hard thing to do. For, for a lot of other people, i- if they tried it, it would be very hard. Like, I'm, I'm not trying to brag, it's, and, but it was never that hard for me in the, in the beginning, even. Like, I could kind of do it pretty well for the whole time, but when the cars get really fast, and more importantly, when it's like, takes physical effort from your body to like, it's like, it's like, you know, talking while exercising, or talking while, you know, lifting weights or whatever, it's, it's actually harder. So, that becomes tough.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  It's like the traction circle, right? Like, you can turn and, or brake, you know, depending on, depending on how much you're braking means you can turn or, you know, more or less, but like, if the car is X fast and you have to brace your body, like, your brain has a traction circle.

• 18:29Matt Farah?

  Totally, the hundred, the hundred points.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  And, you know, staying alive.

• 18:33Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a hundred points.

• 18:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  And you can't talk.

• 18:35Matt Farah?

  Like, for most people, if you were to say, to do, deliver some kind of a monologue while driving.

• 18:43Matt Farah?

  What percentage would the average person use for driving versus for talking? Versus what I use for driving? I can use way less for driving. Especially if it's on familiar roads at home. I can like almost autopilot that and really focus on talking. Whereas most people would have to allocate a lot more towards driving.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:03Matt Farah?

  Practice, one can practice. Um, so go watch the video. It's, uh, there's not a lot of, not a lot of new information there other than, you know, the thing, uh, that the, the VMAX car had, which is a little bit of, uh, instability at high speed and, and a, and a little bit of instability when you quickly went from gas to brake. Obviously, uh, this is not an issue with this car.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  It's fun, I mean, it's not, it's not a very long video, which is good. So like if you have 10 minutes, but it's fun watching you literally yell. Like, like, and not because you were doing a bit. It's just like flooring it and then just, you know, the emotion overcomes you.

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 19:42Matt Farah?

  It's just, uh, when you hit, when you get past about 9,000 RPM, you know, in third gear in this car, your brain stops being able to think about anything else except corner, gas, brake, you know, whatever.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, so it's a, it's a very, very crazy thing. I mean, there's, you know, in, in the, the land of the hypercar, each has their own talent. I mean, this one is, is overwhelming from the, uh, the sensory perspective and, and also the fact, just like on the road, that you're sitting in the middle. It makes every corner of a racetrack look a little different than it would look in other cars. Um, because of how the A-pillars are shaped, you have to move your head slightly differently to look through the same corner. And you've kind of got, you know, that extremely prototype-y Formula One fighter plane kind of vibe that, um, lends itself pretty well to being on the track.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:40Matt Farah?

  But you probably want to be on a bigger track. In which case you're going to be going very, very fast.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 20:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I would, I would. I think, I mean, God, to try this at Coda.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Or the track where you drove Valhalla. Like, that's the kind of place for this.

• 20:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, Navara, that was, that was a nice place. Like, they were just doing, um, fucking, of course, Pund took it. Why would he not? Uh, the W1 McLaren was at Mugello, which is, which is cool. Like, then they were doing 200 miles an hour on the front straight.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  I saw Bossom's in-car when he, like, instructor with him, he's doing 186.

• 21:15Matt Farah?

  He had to do, they had to do in-car. I think Harris had did in-car with a instructor in the car.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure I saw at least some, yeah, of his, of his video. Maybe not his in-car, but one, certainly one of the clips on Instagram or something. He had, uh, he had someone in the car with like a radio.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 21:35Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, dude, I mean, you, there's, sometimes like you're not above it, you know, sometimes.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, and I don't think the person riding in the seat would be there if they could, if they could get out of it, they would, but like,

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, no.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Insurance, maybe it's something else.

• 21:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's usually insurance or legal. It's something like that where the car is, you know, that expensive and that fast. And, you know, you're at a place where, I mean, if someone is not Chris, you know, you have to make a blanket rule at a certain point. Like, I get it.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 22:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, fucking 200 mile, 200 miles an hour in a, in a, in a, in a car, a front straight, in a road car on the front straight of a racetrack is pretty, pretty wild.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  That's really, really fast.

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  Do you know how long that straight is compared to like Coda? I think it's pretty long, but.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  0.7 miles, according to Google AI.

• 22:27Matt Farah?

  0.7 miles is the front straight.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  0.709 is the long straight at Mugello.

• 22:32Matt Farah?

  And what about, what about the back straight at Circuit of the Americas?

• 22:44Speaker 01

  .62?

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  Hmm, okay.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Miguel's even longer.

• 22:48Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, alright, so, but you'd still probably, I mean, look, I hit in the 750S 175 at Cota on the back straight. Somebody in the ZR1 I thought was like 179 or 180. So like, this is probably 185. I mean, which is humming.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Right, that's really, really fast. I remember it was two years ago now that Road and Track asked if I would go, I think, take a 750S to do that, that Idaho straight away. Basically like, will you go find out what the top speed is of this McLaren? And I didn't want to do it because I'd never driven that fast before. So I think Pun did instead, but...

• 23:24Matt Farah?

  He did, he had a really good time.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  I bet he did, but that was like a two or three mile road and that car hit 211.

• 23:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  And this is .7 and they're hitting 2.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  Well, you, yeah, you need more, you know, to, to go 211. You know, you're, you're covering ground very quickly, the difference.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not, it did more, each mile per hour over, whatever, it takes a lot more effort, but still, it's not a huge delta in miles per hour. And this is like...

• 23:49Matt Farah?

  And I'm not sure, I haven't been on Mugello, so I don't know what the corner is at the end of the front straight, but the corner at the end of the front straight, at the end of the back straight of Cota is a, is a, not even a 30 mile an hour corner, it's 110 or 120 degree, uh, or, excuse me. It's, it's a more than a 90 degree left hand corner that's like 30 miles an hour.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Actually, I think this might be faster, but it is also like a 190 degree corner.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  This, uh, Buchine, turn 15. Big left, but I don't know what the speed is.

• 24:25Matt Farah?

  Alright, well, either way, I mean, that's big braking. From that, from that speed, that's big braking.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Very cool.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  So, fucking, that's, that, I gotta, McLaren, I understand, I didn't get to go to Mugello, I might not have even been able to, but...

• 24:40Speaker 01

  You were in Tenerife.

• 24:42Matt Farah?

  It wasn't at the same time, it was a couple of weeks ago, no, but like, I, whatever.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  The post went up at the same time.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  The post went up at the same time, but, yeah, no, um... But goddamn, would I like to have a go in one of those.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  I think it'll happen.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  Pun said it was awesome. Yeah, he said it was really good.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  There's some crazy fucking cars out there right now, like.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  This thing's rear-wheel drive. I mean, it's got the same, it's got like the power of the, of the zinger, but it's rear-wheel drive, like, oh boy.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  But there's that, there's ZR1, there's all this stuff that's just, 1200 horsepower is the new 600 horsepower.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  It's just fucking crazy, isn't it? Let's talk about 28 horsepower. Guys, taking one more break because our friends at Avance are back in the house. You guys love Avance, actually. I got a few emails about this when they advertised with us last time. Avance is an organization that helps enthusiasts save money and enjoy their passion more, right? Now, how do they do that? They get sweet discounts on stuff you would buy anyway. You get a bunch of events that Avance put on all over the country that you get exclusive access to, and you get a nice quarterly print magazine, one that has featured me more than one time. I like, I just got the new Avance. It's got the Carrera GT on the cover. It's quite sweet. The photography is excellent.

• 25:57Matt Farah?

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• 26:39Matt Farah?

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• 27:20Matt Farah?

  to Avance for thinking of us at the Smoking Tire for your advertising needs. Back to the show. Let's talk about 28 horsepower. I went to the, I went to the motorcycle store because now the trip is real. Ali bought his Vespa and he and I are going to be riding the fun way to, to, to San Francisco on our Vespas. So I wanted, and my helmet I realized was three years old, so I thought new helmet. Tried on the new version of the showy I had and it was very comfortable, but I was like, what else is out there that's like this price range? And I actually ended up with an Arri, which is really, really comfy.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 28:01Matt Farah?

  And I got, finally, comms. Finally have Bluetooth in the headset. I tested it. It works really good.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:08Matt Farah?

  It's nice.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  I've heard it's amazing.

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  It's got some noise cancelling. I haven't done the, the, the walkie-talkie with Ali yet, but I tried making calls and playing music and it's really, really nice and will be much better for my ears for seven hours of riding a day.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's pretty like Cory and Katie will ride, you know, two up on a bike. They can just chat with each other.

• 28:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's, it's like voice recognition, sort of open comms. And, and I got the one that has crash detection in it. And, and when you take it off, take your helmet off and put it down, it automatically shuts it off after like 30 seconds.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  It falls, it's not like calls 911 for you?

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  No, no, but it also turns the power off. So it doesn't, it doesn't actually drain the battery, which is pretty cool. And I got a pair of, like, riding jeans that are Kevlar and have like padding in them and stuff. I feel like that's probably a good idea.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  New pair of gloves. I get a new pair of gloves every year. New pairs. I do a new pair of summer gloves every year.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Why? Do they wear out?

• 29:08Matt Farah?

  They wear out. I mean, I wear them a lot. I mean, they're not like unusable, but like the Velcro stops sticking so good and the stitching starts coming out a little bit. If you wear them a lot.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  And they become the backup and then last year's, so I always have two pairs. They're not that expensive. Winter gloves last much longer. You're not sweating in them and whatever. And I'm also like, when you're running errands around, you're like taking them on, putting them on and off, on and off, on and off a lot. So, anyway, spent some money, but I feel pretty good about my new gear.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  I mean, you spend it on safety gear. That's very important.

• 29:43Matt Farah?

  That's an okay thing to spend money on.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:45Matt Farah?

  But I have really gone a long way without having, like, I haven't been listening to music or anything for 15 years. So this is gonna be like a new thing to have music and phone calls and things in my helmet.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I bet there's times where it'd be really nice, like the right soundtrack, you know, with the right back road will be awesome. And then also the times where you keep it quiet and you can just like let your brain rest for a little bit.

• 30:12Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  It'd be really nice.

• 30:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But it should be good. Should be good. I'm excited about my new gear. So this trip is gonna be fun.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gonna be super cool.

• 30:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:23Matt Farah?

  I rode to the motorcycle store on the Vespa and I was getting stuff and I was like, oh yeah, you know, I'm riding to San Francisco with my friend. And they like look outside and they're like, on that? And I was like, yeah. They're like, for real? I was like, yeah dude. And then they're asking me about it like, actually that seems really fun. It seems like a pretty good time.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  You don't need the 900 for that.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, you do not. So that's a good time. Yeah.

• 30:49Matt Farah?

  Did we talk about the, do they post the final lineup for the Cletus race? I got a text with an image on it that has the lineup for it. So if you don't know, Zach and I are doing a Cletus McFarlane Crown Vic race at Stafford Motor Speedway in Connecticut. Friday, July 17th. Anyone who's in the area, you could drive there from New York, you can drive there from Boston. You could drive there from North Jersey or Connecticut. It's the New England 900.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Let me tell you how much I dislike this news story. I mean, it's exciting and also... Any possible tiny dream I had of winning, which was totally imaginary anyway, is gone.

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  Zach and I are in the happy to be there category. The headline is every NASCAR driver entered in Cletus McFarlane. How long before this just becomes NASCAR? This is the live golf of NASCAR.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  You know how two is a couple?

• 31:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  How many is, do you need for there to be every, using a sense?

• 31:56Matt Farah?

  Well, maybe it's

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Is this more than four?

• 31:57Matt Farah?

  We haven't scrolled down yet. Maybe it's only one.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  No, it would say the one.

• 32:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 32:03Matt Farah?

  How many are there?

• 32:07Matt Farah?

  Does it, oh wait, hang on. Notable NASCAR regulars like Ryan Preece, Bobby, Bobby Dale Earnhardt? Is that Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s son?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Probably. I'll Google.

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Richard, oh, Richard Childress himself.

• 32:20Matt Farah?

  Richard Childress himself?

• 32:23Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. Yo, we could take out Ritter. Oh, wait, hang on a minute.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  Noting that Ty and Austin Dillon were also expected to join.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  And noting that Ryan Preece, quote, "ruled the roost at Stafford." So apparently he's raced it a lot and he's good at it. We've never seen it before.

• 32:41Matt Farah?

  Wow. Alright, so yeah, we're not, yeah, we're definitely not.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  It's gonna be so fun.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be crazy to watch from the back of the field.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  If I just don't get lapped. That's, that's the goal now. I've driven an oval once.

• 32:55Matt Farah?

  How, like, how long do you think this race is? 900 is?

• 32:58Speaker 01

  I think it's 200 laps.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure.

• 33:03Matt Farah?

  Alright. So you think the 900 is just a made up number then?

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  Okay, cool. I was trying to figure out.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Someone told me that online, and so that's where our.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  That it's 200 laps?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm looking at the Stafford thing and it just says the time, uh, I think.

• 33:19Matt Farah?

  The dude said it, the race starts at 7:30 and it probably ends around 9:30. So, it's gonna be.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's can't be 900 laps for that amount of time.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  No, no, I don't, but I just didn't know like what it meant. I'm fucking stoked.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  It's gonna be so cool. I mean, dude, Crown Vic with nitrous.

• 33:37Matt Farah?

  We're gonna get hosed by a bunch of NASCAR drivers, but.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  We're gonna get, quote, moved. I mean, I know I've said it before, but you know, that's, that's the term that these guys use is I didn't hit them, I moved them.

• 33:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  So how much movement is allowed before it turns into hitting? That's, that's what I don't know. I truly don't know. You know, if someone moves me, am I gonna wanna move them back? And then am I gonna do too much?

• 33:59Matt Farah?

  There's gonna be retaliation, there's gonna be a.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Right? You know, then it's blue on blue.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  Right. Take your helmet off?

• 34:06Speaker 01

  I'm not fighting anybody. I mean.

• 34:09Matt Farah?

  You don't know what they did to you yet.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  That's true. That's also true. In my current condition, I'm not fighting anybody. I got one swing.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, dude.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  No, that would be so dumb, getting a fistfight at a, you know.

• 34:23Matt Farah?

  At a Cletus race, it'd be crazy.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  They'd have to hit me intentionally when my car is stationary, like, hard. I don't know. So.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  I wonder if they're making a dent in the supply of available Crown Vics.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  I think that's like.

• 34:36Matt Farah?

  I know there's a lot of them, but they're buying them like 50 at a clip.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  I think that's like water in the ocean. I think there's a lot of, you know, I'll look up production numbers.

• 34:43Matt Farah?

  You don't, it's all right. There's, I'm sure there are a lot, but like, you are buying, buying, buying and effectively totaling, you know, 50 at a clip.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Ford apparently made about one and a half million. Oh, wait, and then they made, if you add, oh, the earlier ones, we're not gonna include those. So there's, there's 92 to 2011, they made one and a half million.

• 35:04Matt Farah?

  All right, so it'd take a lot of races.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, 20 per race, there's plenty of them. We haven't seen people in the comments yet going, they're taking all the good ones, you know?

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  They're probably not taking the good ones. They're probably taking the bad ones, which is okay, but I am fucking so stoked for this race.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Rad. Nitrous. I've never hit nitrous before.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, they put sprays in the car, but you have, you have only one bottle, right?

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta figure it out.

• 35:30Matt Farah?

  Too soon, Junior. Don't be, you don't be the too soon, Junior.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  I think, isn't that what Kurt told us that? Kurt Busch at a 10-10 Invitational, he was like, his advice was don't use your nitrous too early. Yeah, okay.

• 35:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  But I just remember, have to remember to use it at some point.

• 35:46Matt Farah?

  Don't forget your nitrous. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, you know, tape note to have on the steering wheel.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  We get to decorate our cars.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  I know. You know what I'm doing? I'm bringing my four and six-year-old nephews to the race, and I told them they get to paint my car.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Great.

• 36:04Matt Farah?

  So like, I get to both outsource this task and bring joy to two children.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Look at you, Mr. Nike.

• 36:11Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Have them build you an iPhone while you're at it. That's a great idea.

• 36:17Matt Farah?

  No, you guys, they love it. They love doing little tasks over, no, no.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  They're gonna, I got to spray paint once when I was 10, 10 years old, like at a relative's building, and it was the most fun.

• 36:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's gonna be great. We just have to make sure to tape off the windows so they don't paint the windows on accident.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 36:34Matt Farah?

  I'm sure they can figure that out. They're not.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Do the cars still have windows?

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's a good point. I don't know. They might have windshields.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  I think, I hope they have windshields.

• 36:43Matt Farah?

  I hope they have windshields. They might, they may not have other windows.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which, I forgot to order that buffeting thing. Uh-oh. That wasn't a great sound.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Everything's breaking today. You broke your coffee grinder? Well, you didn't break, it broke.

• 36:58Matt Farah?

  That's not great. I don't actually want to open that. That might create a big mess.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, do that over.

• 37:02Matt Farah?

  We'll put that over the sink later.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Over the spill-offage. No, what was it called? Stain-offage.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  Stain-offage!

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Oh, they sent me a photo.

• 37:09Matt Farah?

  Did they really?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, you wanna see it?

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  Does it, are they accurately describing it?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  It actually looks way nicer than they described.

• 37:14Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  Okay, when I went home and I pulled out that shirt that I have to maybe wear to dinner, that was the color of the stained oil shirt.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  For people listening, go, go listen to the show with David, Tracy, and Griffin. They're talking about their new shirt, Stain-offage. But look at this.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  That's really funny. Okay, so, okay, so, I mean, movie theater carpeting, which is how Tracy described it, is, is accurate.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:44Matt Farah?

  But it also... It's accurate, let's say it's accurate, but it's not precise.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  Right? Because there are many ways to look at a movie theater carpet. This, um, okay, this has sort of a, it's got a layering of patterns. So on, it's a blackish base shirt that has a sort of like spaghetti-like pattern on it.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Almost like a very swirly signature.

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  That's repeating.

• 38:14Matt Farah?

  Yes. And then layered on top of that is a subtle checkered flag pattern that, that, you know, collectively creates a camouflage-esque look, but with varying shades of like, colors that you'd find on the floor of a garage, of like a really dirty garage. Wait, so Zach, if I hold this to your camera, can you, can you film that?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:41Matt Farah?

  And get, is it, is it, am I breaking the, am I supposed to show this?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Let's see, is it on their merch store?

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  Couldn't hurt.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Couldn't hurt.

• 38:50Matt Farah?

  Couldn't hurt.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  They, I'm sure, you know.

• 38:52Matt Farah?

  So it actually-

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Hard agree won't be mad about us increasing their sales.

• 38:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right? Is that, am I holding in the right place?

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  Okay. So that, I think, I think we've described it sort of well there. It's, it's dark colors and swirlies and a checkered flag-ish pattern over that.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  If you told me that this was Rob Dyrdek's new whatever line, I'd go, okay.

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  It could be his signature, repeating, repeating. There's a lot of stuff that has that kind of, uh, so it looks, it looks cooler than I expected, but also does the job well.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  The badge is decent too. Do you see, did you zoom in on the badge?

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Stain of flash.

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  In the badge, no, seriously, the badge looks like it is some-

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Industrial-

• 39:28Matt Farah?

  Like hypey fashion-ish brand, you know, fashion adjacent brand, kind of, right?

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, a little bit. I also think it looks, the tag, it looks like it would come on something from, uh, from 3M.

• 39:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Which is also what you want.

• 39:42Matt Farah?

  3M and Affliction had-

• 39:44Speaker 01

  3M stain of, yeah, 3M stain of flash.

• 39:46Matt Farah?

  But I, I, I thought those guys are fucking hilarious. That's-

• 39:50Speaker 01

  They're so fun.

• 39:50Matt Farah?

  Dude.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  He's crazy. He's great, like, what an endeavor. And, uh, we always see him after the success, like, last time he was on, it was after he'd fixed that car in the woods for three weeks and like got bit by bugs and stuff. And, you know, it's, it's second tier fun. It's fun once you've done it.

• 40:08Matt Farah?

  Well, that's, that's my wife's family motto. Fun is best when it's over.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Some fun, sure.

• 40:15Matt Farah?

  That's

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Hiking fun.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  I know it's their motto.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, I'm just, I'm disagreeing with their motto.

• 40:19Matt Farah?

  I have a lot of fun while I'm having fun, usually, but I think, I think the implication is the overcoming of the challenge is reviewed later as something that was fun.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  Once you didn't die.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You know, or kill each other, as it is with Hannah's family.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, maybe that's why. It's, it's all second tier fun for them because they're happy it's over. And then they can talk about it.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  All right, let's go to the people. There we had, we had a lot of, um.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  You wanna talk about this stuff?

• 40:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, what is this?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Well, this is, you wanna talk about this video or save that? This is Larry Chen's thing.

• 40:54Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  I texted you about it last night.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, you know what? I was at dinner and we had, we had mucho red wine.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  Sorry, we can save it or you can just tell me about it.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  So, uh, if you, a lot of people watch this video, but Larry Chen went to a company called Jun Chen in China. And the big story with them is that they are making unibody chassis of classic cool cars that we all love, like the A86, 240SX, Land Cruiser.

• 41:25Matt Farah?

  Are they making Mustangs?

• 41:26Speaker 01

  This is wild.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  Is this who's making, is this where Revology is getting bodies from?

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Not to my knowledge.

• 41:31Matt Farah?

  I think they're making their own bodies.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure based on their videos, Revology makes them in Florida.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  But this is kind of a similar, not a similar, I mean, yeah, like Revology goes, Revology took the classic Mustang and went, all right, how's it made? Let's make it look exactly the same, construct it a little better, but that's all they're gonna make. So what this company does, this company's full-time job essentially is making car parts for companies. Like, this is a massive fucking for-real factory with

• 41:59Matt Farah?

  It's an OE supplier.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  OE supplier.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  So what they decided to do is make the dies for all the A86 parts and like, they press it all the same way Nissan used to, or Toyota used to. And then they weld it together.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  So these are new, old, stock unibodies? Or not new, old stock, just new?

• 42:17Speaker 01

  It's, they're just new.

• 42:18Matt Farah?

  But are they, are they better?

• 42:23Matt Farah?

  Like Revology's unibody is better than you would have gotten from Ford. Is that, which is, it's just, that's a choice, right?

• 42:30Speaker 01

  So I would say yes and no. So in the video, like, they show that they galvanized the steel, for example, of the 86, they didn't do that back in the day. So these are, these are less likely to rust. But, one of the early ones was purchased or partnered with Big Time for SEMA. And, so Big Time was gonna build an 86, and they said a bunch of OEM parts wouldn't fit on it right. So the tolerances were wrong. So, you know, Larry, like, Larry does a great job of exploring how this whole process works. Like, the way, I mean, the way that a die is made is really cool, I didn't even know. And, the way they press it and all that shit. But, he didn't address that QC problem. Like, what was interesting is, he said that they've nev-, this company has never taken one of their chassis and then assembled a full car from it.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Which I'm like, I mean, one, they should for promotional material, but two, for QC. Like, that, that, now maybe they just, they measure with lasers and stuff, but also, you should do it with QC.

• 43:24Matt Farah?

  Build one. If you have a ginormous factory, hire six fucking guys to finish one of these as a car, and tell you if it's possible.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Right. And maybe they have since then, because they've done, they've built like 600 Bronco bodies, like, the classic Bronco, and some of those are now built and going for sale for lots of money. So, in, in many ways, they are probably better than the originals. But, fitment, I guess, I, I didn't get enough information from the video to know if that's true or not.

• 43:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Uh, it's, dude, as an endeavor, though, it's, it's kinda brilliant. And also, I'm wondering when lawyers show up from OEMs, because, you know, this isn't-

• 44:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, they're not doing this with permission?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  I don't know. It wasn't covered, but like, they said they're gonna build a Porsche 964 body. If anyone's litigious, when it comes to the recreation of things,

• 44:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  It's Porsche. And I, I feel like that'll be the canary in the coal mine.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Uh, cuz I don't, I don't know if they have permission from Nissan, you know, Toyota, or whatever.

• 44:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I guess the first question is, like- How much of a car or a part do you have to build to, you know, to get permission? You know what I mean? I don't know the rules of like, do I need permission from Toyota to build a exhaust that fits a GR Corolla? Like, probably not.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  I don't think you do.

• 44:54Matt Farah?

  So do I need permission from Toyota to build a door that fits a Toyota?

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Great question.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Probably not. Do I need, you know what I mean? Like, how, how much of a Toyota can I build before I need permission from Toyota?

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Totally. And I might have no idea how those laws work. That's a really great point because they do make parts that supply body shops. If your door gets dinged, like, you're not, maybe you don't get it from Toyota, you get it from one of these places.

• 45:20Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  And it fits great. So they just, like, hey, can we do all the parts?

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  And then sell the thing. And another philosophical question that it brings up is, if you buy an 86 from them, is it a Toyota A86? Or is it a, you know, Juncheon 86?

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  You probably have to do what you would do with a fucking muscle car or whatever. You, you find a donor car and you get, transfer the VIN onto this new unibody.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 45:50Matt Farah?

  There's a legal process for that, by the way.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Sure. Oh, I'm just, but I just mean like philosophically, do you see that as an 86? Or do you see it as a replica? Right? And it's something we've talked about, like, as the quality of a car construction goes up.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  We talked about with Revology, like, now it's made the same way the cars used to be made, effectively. Stamped, pressed, welded.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, at what point is a replacement part, I mean, there's, there's McLaren F1s that have had replacement carbon tubs, you know? There's replacement frames of cars. Like, it becomes-

• 46:26Speaker 01

  But was the McLaren tubs made by McLaren?

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. There's not an aftermarket.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I don't have an answer. I just think it's fascinating. It, there's a couple of things, like, can you register them? That takes, that's challenging, depending on your state. And then, like, what will they be seen as?

• 46:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Look at this Challenger. Uh, you know-

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  Challenger.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  A Challenger. Uh, it's just a typo. They got it right over here.

• 46:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  But I, I think this is great for like track builds. I mean, cause some of these cars now are so expensive. And if you want to build an 86 to drift or track drive and you have to go buy a $30,000, you know, whatever enthusiast taxed one, not just get, these bodies are like 15 grand.

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it, and it, and it doesn't come with a whole bunch of things that you'd probably throw away building a race car if you bought, you know, a good one.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  True.

• 47:16Matt Farah?

  Right? Like you don't need, you don't need to gut it, right? You can just add what you need instead of having to take out until, you know, it gets there. So it's interesting. I think it's not, it's not a real 86. I don't think it is, but you know, I also, I don't, I don't think even the other, the other end, the Bora Motorworks or the Revology or the, you know, uh, I don't think those are re-quote real, but that doesn't necessarily take away from their quality. It's just, yeah. And real and fake doesn't necessarily mean bad and good.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:49Matt Farah?

  Especially today.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially with old cars. Old cars, the, you know, the quote real ones sometimes drive poorly.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  So.

• 47:57Matt Farah?

  Like, like an Icon FJ is like really not a Toyota anymore. It's like for all intents and purposes, like not real.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Very, very true.

• 48:06Matt Farah?

  It's so vastly better than the original product that to me, it's a desirability of 100 to zero. In terms of which one I'd actually have to drive. Like I don't give a shit if it's real or not.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  I bet if you own an Icon, if you will say, oh, is that, you know, nice Land Cruiser, you're probably like, yeah, it's an Icon. You want to put that name in the sentence because it's so respected now.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  That was literally in my road and track column this past month, that the, the, the perception of replica has, has now switched where like if you've got a Revol- like when I would drive around back in the day in our replica Cobra, when people would learn it wasn't real, they'd be disappointed. Like they just were. And maybe like that, I mean, and that disappointment maybe matters to people. Maybe it doesn't matter to people. Like who gives a shit? But like enough times it affected me and I was like, okay, I don't think I want any more replica cars. Driving the Revology Mustangs around.

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  And you tell them what they are and that there's actually, people are like, wait, what? And they're actually more impressed.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah, that's a good point.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  You know, maybe because it doesn't seem like you're, and also, it's more expensive than the thing it's copying. So that's, you know, a Cobra was like, even a nice Cobra was like 10%, 15% of the value of a real Cobra. Now, this is 100 to 200% of the value of the thing it's impersonating.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  The Singer Turbo.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  You know, so, uh, how, how interesting of a, of a state of affairs we've found ourselves in there. So, that was what my column, go read it on Road and Track, but it's, yeah, people react differently when you tell them it's fake, but not just differently, the opposite.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  If it's from a brand they know or respect, or, or if you explain it to them, then yeah.

• 50:03Matt Farah?

  Or if you show it to them and they, you know, they can see the, you do the door slam and they go, oh, yeah, you know.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, really weird, right?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, so maybe if you build a better 86 using one of these bodies, especially if you become a company that's respected for that, then people go, oh, it's not just like a modified one.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  It's from, you know, Thaddeus's 86 imports or wherever the fuck.

• 50:25Matt Farah?

  Don't, don't say, don't say his name three times or Thaddeus will call us tomorrow. Call us tomorrow and be like, I'm buying Unibodies.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  I mentioned it for him specifically.

• 50:35Matt Farah?

  He is, he is the Kramer of, of our friend group.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  He's a, he's doing some, his new business is doing some stuff this weekend, I think, or next week, so.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  He's the, yo, if you're in LA and you need that dry ice, dry ice cleaning on your shit. Not just cars, food trucks, kitchens, industrial equipment.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Car parts, you know who could use that stuff? David Tracy with those diffs.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  And it's, it's dry cleaning. What if you dry ice bla- what if you dry ice blast his shirt?

• 51:08Matt Farah?

  Would it survive?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  And would it just, yeah, would all the oil fall out of that? Would it, if it made that shirt white again?

• 51:13Matt Farah?

  Could you?

• 51:14Speaker 01

  From red line oil, Sam?

• 51:16Matt Farah?

  Make David Tracy's shirt white again.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  This is good content. I'm gonna text Hard agree when we're done. For real. For real.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, when, once he gets a couple, a couple under his belt, he's gonna do the Countach. That'll be some, that'll be some contento. Donnie, when the Countach was at Donnie's was, and I can't say his name three times either, the bots will show up, but, uh, uh, but, uh,

• 51:44Matt Farah?

  he was like offended at the idea of dry ice blasting.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Why?

• 51:49Matt Farah?

  Cause the idea that he would not clean it good enough was like insulting and I had to bring someone else in to do it, to clean the underside of the car. Which like, alright, that's what I said. I was like, fine, you wanna fucking clean the car, you clean the car. I was like, I don't give a shit. I don't pay somebody else.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Right, I mean, if he's, if he's obsessed enough to sit there and scrub the underside of a car.

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, whatever, but.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  The dry ice is quicker for getting oily gunk off.

• 52:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I don't know how much oily gunk there is. I mean, the entire engine is completely now spotless, but there's not much left in there that's gonna, but like, hey, fucking while you're in there, why not?

• 52:23Speaker 01

  The underside of my car is, is, uh, full of power steering gunk. Actually, I wiped out the whole tray, went through a lot of paper towels.

• 52:31Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  Okay, maybe you're, let's, well, he's gonna do both.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  That's gonna do mine.

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  If this goes well, I'm going to put an outdoor lift at the Gardena store so he can just do it, because it's so messy, can't do it inside.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Definitely not.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  But I can't wait to see how much actual dry ice it takes to, uh, to do a car. It's hundreds of pounds of dry ice.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:52Matt Farah?

  It's a lot.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  I forget what number he said, but it's a lot.

• 52:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but, and also I wanna do a little blast in myself, see what's, see what's what. Seems fun for five minutes.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like driving the backhoe.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. As long as you got something to wreck.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Dude, pressure washing, I mean, we've all done it, like, it is cathartic, it's, you just watch the, you're watching progress happen.

• 53:09Matt Farah?

  Have you, have you tried the floor Zamboni at South Bay store? That's pretty fun, too. That's a good.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  I think.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  It's a good fucking vibe.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Can you over polish the floor where it becomes slippery?

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  No, it's not a polisher. It's a wa- it's a Zamboni that washes the floor, but it doesn't polish.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 53:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, we don't, yeah, that would be, that would be a lot. Hmm, although that does seem nice, just.

• 53:33Matt Farah?

  It's probably a decent core exercise, too.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  It is, it's like twisting with some effort.

• 53:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, let's go to the people. They have more to say than we do at this point, obviously. We're talking about fucking floor buffers. It's, uh, patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is where you play along. It's where you get extra show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get the show live. It's where you get, uh, the show without ads. It's where you get access to exclusive collaborations and oh, I have another one in the works. Those, those, the thing I showed you yesterday is made in LA. Did I show you those?

• 54:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:09Matt Farah?

  All right. I'll tell you about it. I don't want to, I don't want to oversell it, but it goes along with our, the whole thing we're doing. We're, we're working our way around, uh, the male, the male body with our, with the collabs that we're doing.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Oh, you told me about it. You haven't shown me. Yes.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  No, we have, it's, it's actually better than previously expected, previously thought. So this is, we're gonna do something else with another company. It's gonna be really fucking cool. It's gonna take a little while to do it, though, but it's gonna be awesome. Um, so those people, full self-driving to the scene of the accident. Did you see the guy who was charged with manslaughter, speaking of that? The guy who crashed into the house in Texas?

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Really?

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  And they, the Tesla guy like tweeted that the throttle was at a hundred percent. That guy was charged with manslaughter. So.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait. The guy driving the car or the guy that tweeted?

• 54:54Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, not the guy who tweeted.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  The guy driving the car who crashed into the house and killed the woman was charged with manslaughter.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 55:03Matt Farah?

  Tesla's statement, which may be subject to actual discovery now, because it's almost certainly the guy's defense is gonna be that the car did it.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:13Matt Farah?

  So this will, this could be very, very interesting. I mean, it's absolutely possible in, and, and, and, and in fact, very likely that he was very over-reliant on autopilot in general and came into a situation where he didn't see a stop sign. And returned and panicked and pressed the wrong pedal and there you go. And he will almost certainly try to blame Tesla in a variety of different ways. And we'll see if any of them actually hold up in court. Whereas Tesla obviously will do everything they can to make sure that this guy is blamed for this crash.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  It'll be interesting. It could be a very simple case in one way or the other.

• 55:56Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, look, the legalese says the driver's always responsible. So, but it's gonna, but if this guy can convince a jury that in fact that Tesla does bear some responsibility. I mean, he doesn't, he has to convince people, you know, and people can be swayed.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  True, but all Tesla would have to do is have data that they can prove is legitimate. And then the defense will be like, well, how do we verify that this data is legitimate?

• 56:22Matt Farah?

  But they make the argument to a jury and say their misleading marketing led my cousin, my client to over rely on the product. And it degraded his skills and he was not, you know, he thought the car was going to handle this situation. And it, you know, you could potentially convince a jury of that.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  They could, and then, yeah, it'll be interesting.

• 56:40Matt Farah?

  Doubt they will, but you know.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Well, if Tesla can do the thing that, you know, some of the Toyotas did where they're like, look, this is the point based on the data where the guy hit the full, full gas. Thought he was hitting the brake. I mean, you know, tragic, obviously, but that's it. And if they can show that and prove that this is attached to his car because this is the VIN and da, da, da, da. And then the jury will go, oh, okay.

• 57:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, probably, but they might be able to make a convincing enough argument. I mean, because it's Tesla, they may get a real hot shot fucking lawyer attached to this guy. You know, a defense lawyer that really wants to go after Tesla.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 57:18Matt Farah?

  And sees this as a way in and will represent this person for free, whereas they may not be able to afford that type of lawyer otherwise.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  Johnny Cochran type, if you will.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  They can go for damages.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Get Phil in here to analyze, analyze the case.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Anyway, all that from the guy's fucking username. Going to northern Italy next year. For roughly the same amount of money, you can rent a modern Ferrari for six to eight laps at Monza. Or rent one for a day to drive through the countryside. Pros and cons of each option leaning towards the track. Six to eight laps at Monza. Monza's a pretty big track. So actually, and assuming those are laps like where you can really run the car, like you're gonna get up to a big speed and that's an experience, you know, that's a 30 minute, 20 to 30 minute, uh, hot run. If it's modern, assuming it's a modern Ferrari that you really want to be on the track.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  That not just because a car is a Ferrari doesn't necessarily mean. And also depending on, you know, the level of freedom they give you.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  I doubt they're gonna let you drift the car, but like, is it instructors that are gonna encourage you to have a good time and really get the car going? Maybe not, I don't know.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  That is a tough choice, cuz I've done, I've never driven at Monza, but I have driven Ferraris on track in Italy and have also driven them around Italy. What I will say is when you drive a Ferrari around Italy, the citizens go ape shit.

• 58:49Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  They love it. I had people like asked, I had a young dude asked to sit in my car to take a picture. People smile, like they're very proud of the brand.

• 58:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  And you also like, there's something magical about driving that car through that countryside. And there's also places you can go kinda quick and the roads are great, and then there's roads that are not so great, so fuck man, you can't go wrong either way.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  There's not a lot of places in Italy to really, in the countryside, to really go fast enough to use a Ferrari.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  No, you need autostrada.

• 59:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Because the roads, the back roads are really tight.

• 59:21Matt Farah?

  They're tight, they're windy, the tarmac isn't always perfect. I mean, a good, a quality hatchback on the back roads is gonna be really as much fun as a Ferrari.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  That's very true.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  In terms of like dynamics, right? Um, but the vibe, I would probably just do the track, to be honest with you. I'd probably just do the track.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  If, if...

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'll get, if what you love about Ferrari cars is like the speed and the allure of performance, you'll get to feel that on the track, that's true.

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  Tappin' Z's nuts, smallest car that you know that will fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, smallest car, I think, I think an Aston Vantage will fit a set of golf clubs, if you take the woods out.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  So like no drivers?

• 1:00:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think...

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, an AMG GT will. Well, look, a nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety one Acura NSX will absolutely fit golf clubs in the trunk. My Ferrari 328 would fit golf clubs in the trunk.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  My Countach will fit golf clubs in the trunk, as a matter of fact.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Like?

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  No, it will not. That's not true.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  I bet the scion, what's the vertical sign, the XB?

• 1:00:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  It'll fit in that trunk at an upright angle.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, easily.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  And I bet those are shorter and smaller than the sports cars.

• 1:00:42Matt Farah?

  Maybe. That's funny. I hadn't thought of an XB, but yeah, maybe. I mean, there's probably like, like the Chevy Chevette, like some little shitty economy car from the early eighties that'll fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk, but I don't think that's, I don't think that's the spirit of the question.

• 1:01:01Matt Farah?

  You know, Corvettes, that's a staple of Corvettes, front and mid-engine Corvettes. McLaren GT. The McLaren, the McLaren GT, like, when they, has that, that trunk over the engine that will fit a surfboard.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 1:01:18Matt Farah?

  Or a, a, a small set of skis or a snowboard, yeah, or golf clubs, yeah. That's what I asked Laura at McLaren. I was like, yo, let me get those new McLaren golf clubs. Have you seen those?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  I was like, loan me the McLaren GT with the set of McLaren golf clubs, so I can go play a little fucking golf ski with these things, see what they're about. They're probably so expensive.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Oh, we talked about these, yeah.

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  The McLaren irons.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I want to borrow those. She said she would look into it. I don't, I, she, she didn't get back to me. I'm sure she had more important things to do with the W1 launch. Dre from Houston says, what's the most heinous thing you've done with a car? For example, I've jumped a car unintentionally. Uh, okay, heinous?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  How we define heinous?

• 1:02:03Matt Farah?

  Heinous. I mean, there was the time I ran over that child and didn't tell anybody until today. Does that count?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  But that was, uh, baby Hitler Jr., so he saved the world.

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  Heinous. I mean, I've, I've like fucked up rental cars and gotten away with it before when I was younger. I mean, when I was like in my twenties, like

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  You stood on one.

• 1:02:24Matt Farah?

  The grand, we danced on the roof of the grand marquee.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:27Matt Farah?

  We actually also jumped that car over train tracks, like intentionally. We did like a fucking Duke's Hazard jump in that motherfucker, yeah. That was serio- that, that might have been actually the worst. That's the highest I've ever jumped any car, I think.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:02:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  I blew the head gasket on my dad's Scout off-roading it. And I didn't realize how severe, you know, that is in terms of damage at the time. Now I recognize that was a big problem.

• 1:02:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, I

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  I got, uh, the, the Mercury Villager, the Nautica Villager, um, when I was a

• 1:03:08Matt Farah?

  Well, it was before, I guess it, this, I guess this was one of the first times I ever drove on a vacay. I, I, when I, you know, I talk about like selling weed and shit in college all the time, but I don't really talk about the fact that I was actually sober in high school. Like, I, I really didn't enjoy drinking because I loved driving so much.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  And I just like, I just knew that things didn't go together. And, and, and I hadn't, I didn't smoke weed until I, until I went to college. Um, I did when I was like 12 for like two months and then not again until I was, until college, so, um, So I didn't, uh, wait, wait, where'd I go with that? Uh, oh shit. How did we get there? Oh, heinous things we've done with a car. Um, so I, I was, my, my parents were very comfortable with me driving places, including like on overnight trips in high school, which other people's parents maybe weren't, but me being like sober, they were like pretty much fine with it. And so, uh, I took the van, the Mercury Villager, to Nantucket, drove it and then got on the ferry.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  And I fucking got it stranded. I beached it in the sand and drove it in the sand and had to get towed out. It was fucking pretty shameful.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they're shameful. I guess, yeah, that's heinous.

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  When, when we went down to South Carolina, when my parents first got, bought the house down there, or the property, before we even had a house. Uh, when I was 16 or 17, me and Larry Casilla went down there with my parents. But they let me, let us get our, kind of our own rental car. Like, they rented it, but it was, and there was maybe a quarter of the houses on the island that are there now. And not even, there was fewer roads that are paved. And we had this Ford Taurus, big frog-eyed Ford Taurus. We staged rallied the fuck out of this thing. There was mud all, we took it like mud bogging, like diving through these mud pits, like sending it sideways on these dirt, just terror, all night. Everyone was asleep, never got caught, nothing, but

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:05:03Matt Farah?

  The next morning, the car's in the driveway and it's just every caked in mud, like our truck at King of the Hammers. It was like mad. My parents were like, that, when we went to bed, the car did not look like that.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Were they mad?

• 1:05:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  Mad, yeah, really mad.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  I had sex, uh, on part of your Focus RS, that was kind of heinous.

• 1:05:28Matt Farah?

  Which part?

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  The door was open and we used the door.

• 1:05:30Matt Farah?

  Get out of here.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  But I would not, I refused to have sex in the car.

• 1:05:33Matt Farah?

  Thanks.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Cause that's, exactly.

• 1:05:34Matt Farah?

  It was a lease.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but still it's your car.

• 1:05:37Matt Farah?

  That's grimy. Thanks for telling me now.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  I saved this for years. I mean, when did you have that car? That was 12 years ago?

• 1:05:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was, uh, it was a 17, I think, or a 2016, so yeah, 10 years ago.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:51Matt Farah?

  Nice, nice.

• 1:05:55Matt Farah?

  Put that on the Carfax.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Flood damage.

• 1:06:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, gross.

• 1:06:03Matt Farah?

  Incorporated spirit of Bob Barker, uh, okay, wait.

• 1:06:10Matt Farah?

  Wait, what?

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, that's a comment.

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, it's a, okay, sorry, that was a, sorry, delay of game there. Sob93 Aero Press Launch, are you garbage if you have a Starlight headliner in a Nod Rolls Royce vehicle?

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  No, I think it's cool now. I think Sarah, Sarah got an Uber recently that had it.

• 1:06:30Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  And I said, do you know that was a $12,000 option? When that came out, when Rolls Royce like invented it?

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  And now it's just a thing you can get.

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  Can you, can you Google what that costs?

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure. I bet it's not fiber optic in all the cars now.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  You think it's just a panel they just put up there?

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  If I had to guess, cause LEDs are cheap and easy now.

• 1:06:51Matt Farah?

  What is it, Afterlight, Starlight aftermarket? Yeah.

• 1:06:56Matt Farah?

  See, Starlight head, FCK Light Bars is the name of this website, by the way. FCK Light.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  First one at the top. I mean, this looks.

• 1:07:05Matt Farah?

  Okay, Starlight Headliner Kit. Shooting Star Headliner.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Starts at $400.

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  That's what this says.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, but it says from 400 to 1900. Let's see. Let's see what the difference is.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  How many stars do you want?

• 1:07:21Matt Farah?

  I want all the stars. Give me 3000 stars, dude. 3000 stars.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  And you can get a Venom Headrest.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy. Wait, so how does it, can we, how does it install? Like, what's the deal? 12-volt power supply, twinkle features, recommend, doesn't say anything, nothing about, uh... I mean, it's pretty, if you, if you had an Uber Black, this, this would get you 5 stars.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  These look much brighter than the Rolls-Royce ones.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  I think the LEDs can only be so small. I'm sure that's what they are, but that's, uh, pretty funny. I say, I say go for it. I don't think you're garbage.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  The Spectre now has, has it in the doors, too.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's ceiling and doors. It's, it's, it's very fucking, driving the Spectre with the windows down on a warm night, at night, and, and playing music loud is fucking epic. Really, really great.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  Kyle951, if you wanted to start your own line of Porsche builds similar to the famous Reimaginers, would you still start with an air-cooled 911? Or if you could build the most perfect tailored Porsche, would it not be air-cooled?

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  I have, I've only driven like, 3 air-cooled cars, I think. So I do enjoy the engine, but I haven't yet discovered what's better about it than a really good water-cooled engine. So, I would probably just go with the water-cooled engine, because you can make more power for less money. You don't need this like, crazy Roth Sport $400,000 shit to make 400 horsepower. And especially if it's like an NAGT3 engine, feels and sounds almost exactly the same to me. So I'd probably go water-cooled.

• 1:09:03Matt Farah?

  I, I, yeah, I would probably use a water-cooled engine as well. I'm not that committed to air-cooled engines. Um, I think they're cool, but if you were talking about the ultimate experience, I think I would not use a, an air-cooled engine.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  You hear that, Marco? Go fuck yourself. I know he's listening right now.

• 1:09:23Matt Farah?

  That's fine.

• 1:09:25Matt Farah?

  Um, let's see, uh, Florida Mansory, what takes a car from really fast to you shouldn't sell this to people fast? Is it an element of danger or the difference between two to three seconds, zero to 60? No, it's, it's like, when you, when a car can spin the tires at like 85 miles an hour with the traction control fully on, that's, it's not necessarily just fast. It's like, fast and like a handful. You know, where like, where traction control is like a suggestion more so than an actual thing that keeps you from getting wheel spin.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:09Matt Farah?

  That's, that's much more of the, you know, where it's like, wait, you're selling an 850 horsepower Hellcat that you can lease for like a thousand dollars a month? Like, and what? With like regular tires on the back? Like, that's crazy. Or, or the McLaren, you know, 765, which will like happily do a burnout on the freeway with the traction control on. Um, um, you know, cars that are just like, really nasty that you have to like, kind of fight and, and wrestle a little bit to, to, to drive fast, where I go, man, you really, you're just gonna, you're just gonna sell that to people? Like, wow. Um, you know, that

• 1:10:51Matt Farah?

  kind of stuff. I thought more people would crash like Tesla Plads, but I think people realize pretty quickly that doing those types of, that type of accelerating, like, isn't all that pleasant or, or all that useful. And I guess people are like, a little, of a little more sound mind than I thought, you know?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  And I, I would wager a lot of the people that, they get excited by that zero to 60, they do it a couple of times, but once the speed goes beyond 60 at that rate, they slow down. Like, plenty of people are used to going 60. Very few people, um, you know, other than us in track people are like accustomed to going 140. So when it starts to like really accelerate beyond what they're used to on the highway, they're like, oh, okay, this is dangerous now.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  Maybe, yeah. Um.

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  I fought the years and the years won, has decided to buy a Macan aside from the PASM, Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust. Are there any options that make a real difference to the car from a driving feel perspective? Maybe the size and weight of the wheels you get. If you get small wheels versus big wheels versus the sport design like lightweight wheels.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:12:01Matt Farah?

  That can make a big difference. Outside of that, is there, there might be a sports steering wheel option in that car where you have a slightly smaller steering wheel. That can make a difference. If you get 18 ways versus the base seats, that can make a difference. But those three options in terms of dynamics are pretty much it. Alone listless. Wow. It's really, when you take those two words without like the rest of the song, it's really depressing. I'm looking at 2023 models. The price difference between an Audi e-tron GT, non RS, and a

• 1:12:40Matt Farah?

  similarly equipped Porsche Taycan 4S is around 30K. Is the Taycan 4S really a $30,000 vehicle, excuse me, $30,000 better vehicle and experience than an e-tron GT? No, I don't think it is. I think they're mechanically very similar cars. The Porsche feels more like a Porsche. The steering in particular is, is much more Porsche-like. Much, I think it has better feel than the e-tron. You sit lower in the Porsche. But I, I don't think that, I think that price difference is much more like perception than, than reality unless...

• 1:13:24Matt Farah?

  What was the first year of the e-tron? Was that the first, because if that was, if it's a 2020, I don't remember the first year of the e-tron, but it was definitely after the Taycan.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  2022?

• 1:13:35Matt Farah?

  Okay, so.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Lost in the spring of 21?

• 1:13:38Matt Farah?

  There may be, there may be a...

• 1:13:42Matt Farah?

  I don't know, possible slight difference in reliability, dependability, because the Porsche came out a year earlier. I don't really know.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  Well, in the first year, Taycan had a lot of problems. I wonder if the first year E-tron was better.

• 1:13:57Matt Farah?

  It may have been. I haven't tracked it.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Matt Farah?

  But that's just one thing that could be. But I do think the difference is perception more than the quality of the vehicle. And when I was looking at Taycons, the E-trons were way, way cheaper, way cheaper. But like, I could have gotten the same car for ten or fifteen thousand dollars less almost. But because we talk to people about Porsches so much, it just made more sense to just buy the Porsche. And I think that was for me the right call. But for you, if what you want is like a good, dynamic, driving, you know, fast, comfortable EV that's depreciated to below what the experience of the car will provide you, that is, there's not a thirty thousand dollar difference between those two

• 1:14:40Matt Farah?

  cars at all. There's maybe a ten, right? Maybe some difference.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:14:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  Let's see. I'm A-D-H-Y-D. That's pretty good. I'm listing my 2014 BMW 335i M-Sport for sale. I've deemed that it's not a fit for BAT. I think it could be acceptable for cars and bids, but I'm scared that it will sell too cheap at auction. Am I crazy, or should I just do the Marketplace Auto Trader thing and wait for the right person to come along and willing to pay what I think it's worth? Well, look, I mean, there are well-known strategies that you can employ to maximize

• 1:15:31Matt Farah?

  your car's sale at auction. You can give it a great fucking detail. You can, you know, service it right before with records. You can have, you know, do, take really great photography, do really great videography. You know, there's things you can do to improve your odds of getting a good number at auction. You can also set a reserve. And if you don't think, you don't want to sell your car for less than, you know, a certain number, you can set a reserve price and you don't have to. So there's that, and then you're out the listing fee. You can also, but those same strategies with good photos and good, and good descriptions

• 1:16:13Matt Farah?

  and service records, like those are the same things that you would use to maximize your value anywhere else but trading it in at a dealership. Right? So you still have to invest that time in making the car look good no matter what. So the question is, do you want to negotiate down with somebody? Right? Do you want to be the person that others are coming to and telling you why they don't think your car is worth this much to your face and negotiating you down?

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  Or do you want to put your car out there but have them negotiate up with each other? That's the difference. I would much rather present something as best I possibly can, put it out there confidently, and then let the market tell me what it's worth than me deciding arbitrarily that I'm only gonna sell this thing if I get this much money, or that I think it's worth this even though the market thinks it's worth that. That's the risk when you sell a car, you know?

• 1:17:30Matt Farah?

  But if you really want to get every dollar, if you want to really maximize your dollar and you don't really care if that means more work, do the detail, do the photos, try all the free options first, Marketplace, Craigslist, whatever, with those photos and that description, and ask for that big number, and if you get it, great. And if not, you know, you can, you can roll it on Cars and Bids and, and see what the market decides. I mean... A 2014 BMW 335i is like the kind of car you see on Cars and Bids all the time. So it's not like it's too cheap to be auctioned off. I mean, it's you'll get you'll get money for that car.

• 1:18:10Matt Farah?

  And and I think if you present the car well, like you'll get like we we sell cars here at West Side. We sell cars all the time. We're a local partner for both Cars and Bids and BAT. And we if you present the car well, you get market price. You just do. There's enough audience on these sites that like you will get market price. So that's how I roll. Just market price may not be the thing, the amount that the seller thinks it is. That's a different story.

• 1:18:42Matt Farah?

  Murray Long Last Name says, bought a 1980's Minolta Tele-A autofocus Point and Shoot Camera. Excited to get back into film photography. Are there plans to dust off your film cameras soonish? Not really, man. In fact, I sold my Pentax K1000 to LeBron. I

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  without the process of doing the printing, because if I shoot on film, I I ultimately have to go to a lab and have prints made like digitally. I really liked the working in the darkroom and making the prints, the big, large format prints and stuff like that. And that was a lot of my process back in the day. And you know, the best cap for me, the best camera really most of the time is the one I've got on me and my phone and really just does the job I need for that. So I like the idea of holding a mechanical camera much more than I like the idea of that I like the actual action of carrying one around. They're fucking kind of heavy and clunky and I feel like sort of a douche.

• 1:19:49Matt Farah?

  They're real hipster now, but but a little bit, but um pretty soon like film is all that's going to work as evidence. You know what I mean? Like, pretty soon it's gonna be like

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 1:20:02Matt Farah?

  The only way to prove

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Great point.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  The only way to prove something was real. You know, so I think the industry will see a resurgence.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:20:09Matt Farah?

  Once you can no longer use digital photography at all as evidence.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  A lot of the pictures in those files were probably shot on film

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  back in the day, so

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Hard to create them with AI.

• 1:20:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, a second Jay-Z has hit the supra, speaking on the Jung Chen. Do you pronounce the J?

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  I did, but it's probably Jung Chen.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  I said Jung, but I don't know.

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  Jung Chen? Alright, we'll try. If you had David Tracy's mechanical skills, a functioning back, and an open pocketbook, what body from them would you buy to build with friends? I don't know how many bodies they have, but I mean, the idea of an 86 is a good start. I don't hate that.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Oh, here we go. I should have had the setup earlier. Carbody.com.

• 1:20:56Matt Farah?

  Carbody.com, hell yeah.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  There's a link on their site.

• 1:20:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy, this looks like they sell fake cars, doesn't it? I mean, okay, uh, classic cars?

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  There you go there.

• 1:21:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, Toyota Land Rover, Nissan Mazda, I mean, I gotta say the 86 is probably what I would do. You know, a little S2000 motor in there, maybe? Ripshit, Bronco Escort Mark II, Nissan Z, the 240Z, Mazda RX3, that could be cool.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  I might do a 240Z. I think they're beautiful. And it would be really fun to build one from ground up. Not OEM style like David, like, you know, I want to head towards where Larry Chen's current car is, but that might be a cool way to go.

• 1:21:45Matt Farah?

  That's pretty cool. I like a Z, but I think I like an 80, 86 more, yeah.

• 1:21:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, Christian says, oh, wait. I think we talked about that one last time.

• 1:21:58Matt Farah?

  Zack, looks like the singer from Turnstile, says, what is the, what do you think the reason is for BMW's reluctance to make a true sports or supercar? Profit margins in crossovers? I think, I think, I think a supercar, a sports car, like a mostly mass-produced sports car, like if they were to make, say, a Z8 again, or something like that, right? Particularly if it was not platform-shared with anything else, the way the Z4 and the Supra is, is like the lowest-margin car that they could probably make.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Matt Farah?

  So, that's a problem.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:22:37Matt Farah?

  They could make a super, a hyper car and make 500 of them and sell them for $5 million. And they'd have margin on that, but like you ain't getting one, you know? So I think there, there are the options right now are to wait and see if Toyota has another car they can platform share with, because the Z4 and the Supra are now dead. See if somebody else wants to partner on another sports car. Or build a hyper car. I, I don't, I mean, I, it would be a shame if BMW had, but they're no sports cars, but they're pretty comfortable building these sports sedans and sport crossovers

• 1:23:21Matt Farah?

  and sport SUVs.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  It's, it's really not their brand. I mean, the only time they've done it, correct me if I'm wrong, is the M1, right? And that was small run and that was 50 years ago, 40 years ago?

• 1:23:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, it was in 80, 81. So yeah, me, 45 years ago.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  They tried once, but like they've done plenty, they've done really well with what they do, you know, fast sedans, fast coupes, based in sports, you know, normal car shape and, and they can platform share. It's not like they are missing out on something that was a tent pole of their brand. So, you know, you can love the brand, you can go, oh, wouldn't it be cool if they did this? But like, I just don't think it's them. And I don't know that they would do a great job at it. They have a good IMSA team, like in the, you know, P1 level, but like, I don't want to see that driven on the road, really. So it's just not for them.

• 1:24:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I, I think, I think they're following the money. Bring back the smoking fryer, wants to get back into a Corvette. Previously had a C6 Z51, loved it. Always wanted a C5 Z06, but also a C4 ZR1 has come on the radar. All three can be had for basically the same money. This is the $25,000 challenge. How would you compare these Corvettes for half cruiser, half canyon car? So like, you know, the older you go in Corvette, like the worse the build quality and the worse

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  the technology and, and, and, but, um, C4 ZR1s are really a if you know, you know kind of car. And 25 grand will get you an awesome one, like a low mile one in a good color.

• 1:25:05Matt Farah?

  And they

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  Look at this interior.

• 1:25:06Matt Farah?

  They, they're, it's, yeah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:09Matt Farah?

  The seat is actually quite comfortable, but it's just really plasticky, but these things go really fast.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  These bolsters are great. You need these in the zinger.

• 1:25:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're cool. But these are very fast cars. They're, they handle really well. They're really comfortable once you're sitting in them. And, you know, I, I, time hasn't been kind to, to them in terms of the styling or the, the buttons and stuff, but they're really neat and they're really rare. It's if you know, you know, kind of cars. C5 Z06s are the sort of gold standard of I want to go fast for cheap. And I don't, if you've already had a C6, I think, I think going to a C4 will feel like

• 1:25:58Matt Farah?

  a totally different kind of car, whereas going to a C5 will feel like a shittier version of the car you had before already.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. The C5 Z06 to me is race and track car first.

• 1:26:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Everything else is secondary. So this is just, they said it's a cruise around and canyon car. Cruise around, it's not, I don't think it's good for that. I mean, they sound, they look great and sound good, but the inside's bad. This is going to feel at least like a bit of a time machine and you can go to Radwood with it. You can do more things with it if you're not just trying to go fast.

• 1:26:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I agree, yeah. But if you want that vibe, you know, you could also consider a Viper.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 1:26:36Matt Farah?

  You know, which would be, which would be a different enough experience, but the same kind of, kind of vibe.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  His last two.

• 1:26:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, elderly woman behind the wheel of a small car. That's very good. What car would each of you love to go for a ride in down Woodward Avenue? Could be a muscle car of, or one of a crazy creation. I would like to drive really anything built by Randy Grub, but maybe that Deco, the Deco liner that the bus he built that we drove for Toon back in the day.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:27:12Matt Farah?

  The R Deco bus.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  From the roof.

• 1:27:14Matt Farah?

  Drive it from the roof. You're, you're yachting at that point. You are yachting and you're, you're not, it's fabulous.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  That's a great answer. I was gonna be like, "Ah, 33 Ford," or something like that, which would also be very fun. But I'll go in a similar vein, but small. One of the belly tanker cars that people have built.

• 1:27:31Matt Farah?

  You'd get very hot.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  I would get very hot.

• 1:27:33Matt Farah?

  Those don't have fans on the radiators, like you...

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Not a good choice. But it's like a fun, interesting choice.

• 1:27:39Matt Farah?

  Sure. You basically would just... What you'd wanna do is get towed around.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  By the decaliner.

• 1:27:44Matt Farah?

  By the decaliner on like a fixed tow bar.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  BM Trouble You, last one. "Out of random curiosity, I Googled a 24-hour watch today and didn't like anything I was shown. Do you know of any 24-hour watch that's not aesthetically icky, or is that a stupid hour format to put in a watch anyway?" Well, if you're talking about a single, like, a watch that has 24-hour markers on it, and is like a single hand... Yeah, like the Meister Singer is the one that really comes to mind. Yeah, that one. I mean, if that's... It's a very specific thing.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Looks big.

• 1:28:28Matt Farah?

  Some of those are big, but you don't let the white background photos, like, fool you. But also, like, GMT watches have a 24-hour hand. They also have regular hour and minute hands. So if what you're looking for is a watch that's exclusively a 24-hour watch with two hands, or even one hand, and has like 24-hour indicators on the main dial, they're probably gonna look a little awkward. If you get a GMT, it'll have a regular dial, but then it'll have a 24-hours, 1 to 24 around the bezel, and it will have an extra hand that will point to the bezel numbers, and that looks much more normal.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  So, Raketa. Yeah, you don't... You can get into the deep rabbit hole of Russian watches.

• 1:29:18Matt Farah?

  They all tick like fucking time bombs. The QC on Soviet watches is not good. Having said that, one of the best watchmakers in the world is Russian. His name's Konstantin Chakin and he makes crazy fucking shit. Really dope stuff. Uh, that's our show, kids. Fucking good times. You're gonna be hearing it late, but I guess have a good, I hope you've had a good 4th of July weekend if you're listening. Uh, don't blow your fucking self up.

• 1:29:45Matt Farah?

  I'm going to Idaho to drive a cool new car. Uh, I had, did I tell you the concept of this story? Has nothing to do with the car.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  You did.

• 1:29:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, the concept is I was on one of our road and track events and we were, and I had an idea that where if you want to find good roads, you should look near a dam. There's always good roads around dams. Um, mainly because they're around lakes and rivers where you also find good roads and it's also, there's gonna be some elevation drop of a dam as well, right? So, it's a good way to start looking for roads. And I, uh, was assigned to, uh, find some damn fucking damn roads. So I found two of the coolest dams that I could find, uh, in the country in the middle of, middle of nowhere. And I made a really good drive route between these two dams that should be very spectacular.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  This is a good idea.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  Hmm. It's a little silly, but it's a reason to go, it's a reason to go to Idaho.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been near, what, I don't know, three dams and like the one in Tennessee, the roads are great near it.

• 1:30:49Matt Farah?

  That's where I thought of it.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:50Matt Farah?

  In Tennessee.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, off of whatever.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  By Tail of the Dragon.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that, uh, that road's fantastic. And then there's Hoover Dam. And then I don't know what's around there. That's like.

• 1:30:58Matt Farah?

  Valley of Fire.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:59Matt Farah?

  Valley of Fire, Lake Mead.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  How far is Valley of Fire from the Hoover Dam?

• 1:31:03Matt Farah?

  It's right there.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's close. Uh, it's, it's close.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  I saw Hoover Dam from.

• 1:31:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, Lake Mead is right by Hoover Dam.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Wave Runner, so I don't remember.

• 1:31:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. The, the, the main road is not that, but you turn off afterwards and you hit the good stuff. Yeah, no, there's Lake Powell, there's a, has a good, there's a, there's fucking, it's not one to one. It's not always, but like, it was not hard for me to find a spectacularly good drive route from this one dam to the other one. Like 300 miles of just epic fucking Idaho River roads. Should be awesome.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be sweet.

• 1:31:39Matt Farah?

  Alright, good times. I'll see you when I get back. Uh, peace out, kids.