Ease Anxiety, Increase Intuition, & Uncover the Spiritual DNA Hidden in Your Birth Chart, with Astrology Experts - The AstroTwins

Unlock the Secrets of Your Birth Chart! Renowned Astrologers The AstroTwins Reveal How Astrology Can Transform Your Life! In this mind-blowing episode, Ophira and Tali Edut – the astrologers trusted by celebs like Beyoncé, CEOs, and global leaders – reveal the truth behind astrology that goes WAY beyond your daily horoscope. The AstroTwins break down the mathematical science behind astrology, explaining how it can predict your destiny, reduce anxiety, and help you make life-changing decisions in love, career, and more! They’ll reveal how astrology isn’t about fate – it’s about empowering you to make better choices based on your unique strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Whether you’re an Earth, Air, Fire, or Water sign, learn what your birth chart says about your true self! Join Mayim and Jonathan as they get their birth charts read and discover the surprising connection between our Sun, Moon, and Rising signs, plus find out your astrology archetype and how it affects your career, relationships, and even your ideal home & office design. Unlock Your Spiritual Power - Astrology is a gateway to spiritual growth! Learn how you can tap into your own psychic abilities, develop your intuition, and understand the divine purpose behind your birth chart. The AstroTwins also break down: - How our astrological birth charts reconcile & overlap with other modalities like enneagram and psychotherapy (Spoiler Alert - each enneagram is related to a different planet!) - Why Mayim’s chart totally explains her skills as a performer, love of music, & her anger tendencies - How Ophira’s own psychic abilities skyrocketed after doing thousands of astrology charts - What do Mayim & Jonathan's charts reveal about their personalities, strengths, & challenges? - How Astrology, Tarot, Numerology & More Mystical Practices are all connected! - Why society needs to rebrand the term "psychic" Whether you’re a parent looking for guidance on raising your kids, or you need help grounding yourself (Air signs, we’re talking to you!), these experts have all the answers. Don’t miss out on this life-changing episode! Whether you’re new to astrology or a seasoned pro, this deep dive will change the way you see your destiny and help you design the life YOU were meant to live! The AstroTwins' Book, THE ASTROLOGY ADVANTAGE: Use Your Horoscope for Personal and Professional Success: https://astrostyle.com/astrology-advantage/ BialikBreakdown.com https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ YouTube.com/mayimbialik https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTOocPnDh2YQZZwh86K2OxA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:03Mayim Bialik?

  You can become more psychic?

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, you definitely can. As I started to look at charts, I felt that the symbols started to talk to me. I was having a psychic reading of a woman whose brother had died. I described a painting that he did. It's in a dark place and he wants you to move it out of that place. Her brother committed suicide and had left a painting for her. And she'd put it in a dark hallway unbeknownst to me.

• 0:30Mayim Bialik?

  Those are things that a lot of people consider like, that's crazy. But then in like, in secret, you're like, but what if, what if that's true? What if we're accessing things? What if we can loop back?

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Do you have a remembrance as a child where you looked in the mirror like, what am I doing? Yes. We find ourselves in situations and we don't know how to navigate. Our minds and our knowledge and our education doesn't help. That's when people start to grant. Maybe I should look outside of this lens that I have. Because the other stuff isn't helping any better. The veil is the illusion that everything that we can touch, taste, feel, smell, our five senses is all that there is. I mean, it's understandable why people would walk around feeling that way. But there comes a point in most people's lives when an experience comes and you're like,

• 1:23Speaker 01

  there's something else, there's some divine force. Maybe I don't know what it is, but it's talking to me. It's trying to get my attention, whether it's through serendipities or just things that you know that you don't know how you could, or just a feeling, a moving feeling of connection to all of it.

• 1:43Mayim Bialik?

  You just have that moment of oneness and connected to all.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  We need to repackage, rebrand the word psychic because it conjures up pictures of a storefront window, charlatan. But the truth is, the psychic realm is accessible for all of us. Anyone, anyone can tap into this. It doesn't matter how educated you are, how Scientific, how uneducated. It's a universal consciousness that we all can access. We just get to it in different ways. Mayim, you are psychic, too.

• 2:34Mayim Bialik?

  Hey, I just found out something astounding. Approximately 63% of those of you listening to or watching Mayim Bialik's Breakdown are not subscribed. We know you're listening and we know you're watching because of all of the awesome comments you leave telling us how Mayim Bialik's Breakdown is helping you lead a happier and healthier life. We love that, but the best way to support our show is to subscribe. It's also the only way to get latest updates and to know when new episodes drop. So anywhere that you listen to podcasts and on YouTube, please subscribe. Hit the bell icon so that you know when a new episode drops. Thank you so much and on to the episode.

• 3:08Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

• 3:09Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 3:10Mayim Bialik?

  Welcome to our Breakdown.

• 3:11Jonathan Cohen?

  This is the place where we break things down so you don't have to. I never say that line, but things are getting wild this, uh, this episode.

• 3:16Mayim Bialik?

  Things are getting wild today.

• 3:17Jonathan Cohen?

  You know what I just noticed?

• 3:18Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 3:20Jonathan Cohen?

  We've done over 230, almost 248 episodes. And every single time you introduce yourself, you still do the chair turn.

• 3:27Mayim Bialik?

  I do.

• 3:28Jonathan Cohen?

  Where you do like three quarters out and then you bring yourself in.

• 3:31Mayim Bialik?

  It's my thing.

• 3:31Jonathan Cohen?

  I like it.

• 3:32Mayim Bialik?

  If you were psychic, you would have known that that's what's always gonna happen. Are you psychic, Jonathan?

• 3:36Jonathan Cohen?

  We're rebranding the word psychic because it has a negative connotation, but we are exploring intuition and information that is collectively available that we may all have access to.

• 3:49Mayim Bialik?

  But mostly, did Beyonce consult with the Aduet Twins, Ofira and Tali, to decide if she should marry Jay-Z?

• 3:57Jonathan Cohen?

  These are the astrologers to the stars. So many celebrity clients.

• 4:03Mayim Bialik?

  Ofira and Tali Adut are the Astro Twins. And they are the longtime resident astrologers for Elle Magazine. They've written a ton of books. Their latest book is The Astrology Advantage, which I'm holding right here. They have been advisors to people like, oh, you know, Beyonce, Dua Lipa, all sorts of celebrities, also high-end like tech people.

• 4:25Jonathan Cohen?

  C A Os and...

• 4:26Mayim Bialik?

  C E Os. So many people consult with astrologers, and in particular, the Astro Twins. But it's not just about the planets. It's about your personality. It's about what the placement of planets and stars and moons can tell you about aspects of your personality that you can choose to emphasize or work on. This is not about why astrology should work for you. This is not what this episode is. And it actually turns into a really, really deep conversation about how we can have access to things outside of our realm, use those things to our advantage to make better decisions about who we date, what kind of work we do, how we parent, how we organize our home,

• 5:11Mayim Bialik?

  and how we make even the most basic decisions day to day.

• 5:15Jonathan Cohen?

  One of the most fascinating parts of the conversation for me was the notion that we may have an intuition that we want to act or respond to a situation in a certain way. And what might be needed is actually bolstering a part of our personality that isn't natural to us, that that's what could help us succeed in any given moment.

• 5:36Mayim Bialik?

  I also want to say that one of the things that we pride ourselves on here is really highlighting the scientific basis of a lot of things that people may not think of as mainstream science or might not have access to. We talk about acupuncture, we talk about meditation, we talk about meridians, and we even talk about energy work. The goal here is not to convince you that astrology is a science. What we'd like to have Ofira and Tali talk to us about is the ways that astrology has been constructed historically, what it can tell us about our personalities, and how other aspects of what we do. Do understand about science can kind of be leafed in to our understanding of ourselves through the astrological lens.

• 6:19Mayim Bialik?

  Ofira and Tali are going to talk about our charts in some pretty interesting detail. And there are some places that didn't quite align, but the places that they did opened up a whole different understanding for me and Jonathan independently and also as podcasters. We cannot wait to share this with you. Let's welcome to the breakdown Ofira and Tali Edut.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  Break it down.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Hey, so happy to be here.

• 6:43Mayim Bialik?

  This is an episode that I do think people need to watch and not just listen to because you're identical twins and you both have sparkly eyeshadow, even though you don't live in the same city. And I think that's cool.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  We, I know, we kind of did this together in our own, yeah, overlapping way, so.

• 7:02Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you two have telekinesis and do communicate with each other psychically without the internet?

• 7:09Speaker 01

  I love that. I think we kind of subtle, it's a subtle psychic connection, like candy bar cravings, nothing good. But we do, no, we will, our minds are on the same things a lot and not just because we work together or we'll find out, like, we said the same thing to somebody that we saw on separate occasions. We're definitely.

• 7:32Mayim Bialik?

  Word for word.

• 7:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you ever like text the person, you're like, oh yeah, I'm doing this. And the other one is actually doing that very same thing that day?

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:40Mayim Bialik?

  That has happened.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  It does. We have weird coincidences like that all the time.

• 7:45Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I think it's kind of, it's very, it's a very interesting relationship that you have in that you work in the field of astrology, which is kind of predicated on understanding when you were born, where you were born, and the way the planets were in a particular position when you were born. And so for the two of you, not just because you're obviously identical, but this is true for all twins, if you are born effectively at the same time, the planets are in the same position, right? For each of you. And according to sort of astrological principles, this would determine. Certain aspects of your personality. So I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about,

• 8:28Mayim Bialik?

  you know, obviously you didn't know that you'd go into astrology when you were kids. But now that this has been your career for decades, when you look back to the personalities that were each of you when you were kids, were there things that were kind of even more similar because of how you feel the planets were positioned? And not just because we were twins?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Great question. Well, honestly, let me say something to the first part of your question, which is even twins, the chart is so specific, the birth chart, that us being born a mere four minutes apart have a slight difference in our chart. Astrology is very mathematically based. So the wheel, the zodiac wheel, literally, it's almost like a dial going click, click, click.

• 9:19Mayim Bialik?

  I knew she was gonna say it. Psychic. I was beaming her. See, it's like a dial.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. Well, good.

• 9:27Mayim Bialik?

  So maybe we are telepathic.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the dial that was in our heads. So I am a nine degree, 37 minute Capricorn rising. Ophi is a 10 degree, 37 minute Capricorn rising. And there are moments when that does affect us differently, depending on when a planet moves. So if we want to get all mystical with it, because of course, the math and mysticism, and you look at numerology and you bring that in, well, nine is the number of completions and spirituality and surrender. And 10 is more a one, which is a number of actions. So I do tend to be the more woo woo twin.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  I went to Burning Man. I got married at Burning Man. I did yoga. Ophi is like the business twin. She's like,

• 10:18Mayim Bialik?

  I'm the nerd who likes the binary code numbers.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, the ones and zeros. So, you know, it's, there are just, this is where you can really geek out with this stuff.

• 10:29Jonathan Cohen?

  It's very helpful to have both of those. We need a binary one. We don't have that.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Do. Everyone, every team needs a binary.

• 10:38Mayim Bialik?

  Just to, just to sort of hit the skepticism button pretty early on in our conversation.

• 10:45Mayim Bialik?

  Is this the only thing that explains the difference in your personalities? Meaning, if you take two twins, let's say, that are born four minutes apart, as you are, is that what determines, let's say, I mean, like, can you say, oh, this makes sense that she's the more, you know, business-y one, and I'm the more woo-woo one? Couldn't that also be any other expression of genes or other things about you?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Oh, of course. Of course. Birth order, you know, nutrition in the womb, of course.

• 11:19Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  She ate all the placenta. I had to be in an incubator.

• 11:24Mayim Bialik?

  Is that right?

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:26Mayim Bialik?

  Apparently, yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  She took my nourishment away. No, no, look, this is-

• 11:31Mayim Bialik?

  She had to go to Burning Man. I don't know.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Right. This is, I mean, we are, we love skepticism. And honestly, we're skeptics, too. Like, we would never say, like, we started, like, someone gave us our charts, her college boyfriend, this 30-page booklet, and we just wanted to know how it worked. We're like, how the heck does this work? So we started with a data pool, and we started doing all of our friends' charts. And then we, you know, we still can't prove it, but we wound up getting obsessed with it. Now, the birth chart, that map of where the planets are when you're born, is kind of like your factory settings. But just as you would take a phone out of the box,

• 12:15Speaker 01

  you wouldn't leave the default three apps on it, you know? You just, you know, we are always interacting with nature and the universe. So we kind of look at astrology as this base point, this baseline understanding. Like, you might have anxious attachment issues. You can evolve out of those. The same thing with the chart. These are just fundamental parts of your cosmic personality.

• 12:43Mayim Bialik?

  But we all have the ability to develop consciousness and free will that makes it less of a sort of, oh, this is happening to me versus, okay, I'm aware of these tendencies.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Even when you're malnourished in the womb because of your twin.

• 13:00Mayim Bialik?

  I was hungry. Geez, it's a long time in there.

• 13:04Jonathan Cohen?

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• 15:14Jonathan Cohen?

  After you purchase, they'll ask you how you heard about them, please support our show and let them know that we sent you. You're speaking a little bit to my next question, but like if you had to describe the mission, you know, that you're on, you've obviously been in this line of work for a very long time. Why astrology for you two and sort of what do you, how do you explain the mission that you're on to share this information?

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, we just, it started with us like, let's see if this really works. Let's put your data in. This was in the 90s. I had a little piece of software on my ancient Apple computer. It's like, whoa, that is, whoa, that is you. Whoa. And what we just saw was that people got this relief and they became relaxed inside. And we all know what anxiety feels like. So

• 16:04Mayim Bialik?

  Speak for yourself. I don't still doing the research.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  No Jew knows what anxiety feels like, but we were, so we were, we just, but everybody has it, of course, we know. We, so we just saw people like relax and, and it just kind of lasted. So I was like, if this is what does it, then great. And it, and then it helped people with a lot of decisions and planning and self-understanding. So we just kind of kept rolling with it. Yeah, it's a tool. Our mission is to help people use astrology to plan and make decisions. So essentially they can design lives that they love. And it's a great tool for that.

• 16:49Mayim Bialik?

  Okay. So you had me at, help me plan, make decisions, change my life. All right. So let's say I come to you and I say, please do my chart. What, what information, and in particular, I want to talk about in the astrology advantage, you talk about kind of the formula that you use to sort of calculate what can really help determine a lot of aspects of your life, your career, your decision-making, how you build a home, how you establish relationships. If I were to come to you and I would say, here's some facts about me, what kind of information is astrology giving me that allows me to literally plan and make decisions?

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, um, yeah, we just, you put in your time, date and place of birth. And what you get is a snapshot of how the planets were arranged overhead in relation to where you were at your moment of birth on this planet. So that map and the angles that are measured between each of the planets in that, on that map, tell you some of your strengths, your challenges and your tendencies. So you would, you would get the basic kind of DNA of yourself, not the scientific one, but the spiritual cosmic.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  And then from there, you could say, all right, my tendency might be to be uh, strong in this area. So maybe I'll play to that. Or I'll tone it down a little because it might overpower people. So it just gives you that kind of metric, like just like knowing your personality does. I don't know, Tali, you might have a better way than that. Yeah. Well, what we did, no, that was, I mean, what we did with the astrology advantage, our book was take this complicated birth chart. Because in traditional astrology, you go, your sun is in Sagittarius, your moon is in Aries, Mercury, like each planet has, is kind of in charge of a different part of your life.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  We kind of, we think of the planets as the actors in the movie of your life. Their birth chart shows you the script to the movie of your life. The planets are the actors. The zodiac signs are the costumes they wear. So the sun is your main character, the way you express yourself in the world. And we've got a Sagittarius, we've got a Cancer here with you guys. But then we look at the moon, how you, your inner nature is, who you are in private. And so each one of the planets has a separate thing. Now that's a lot for people to remember. So what we did with the astrology advantage is we created an algorithm that takes 13 points of your chart.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  The sun, moon, your rising sign, the planet on the eastern, I mean, the sign on the eastern horizon, all the planets, Mercury through Pluto, it's still a planet in astrology. And then the lunar nodes, which are actually part of Kabbalistic astrology. There were the eclipses were happening. So that's 13 points. Put them in the blender and then we look at the breakdown of the elements, fire, earth, air, and water, and then the breakdown of three other things, the qualities. Each, each planet fits into one of those. The qualities are the cardinal signs, the innovators, the fixed signs, the authorities, we call them, and then the mutable signs, the maven.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  So that I, the I am system, which we talk about in the astrology advantage, works on those qualities because you can really see if you're, if you're primarily cardinal planets, invader in your chart, that means you're somebody who's very future forward. If you're someone who's primarily fixed or an authority, that's what you are, my am. And then if you're primarily mutable, you're a maven, which is what you are, Jonathan. Jonathan's a water maven, mostly water, and you're a fire authority.

• 20:56Mayim Bialik?

  He's very slimy.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  So you get this archetype and that's a great place to start.

• 21:05Mayim Bialik?

  So when you started kind of testing this out, you know, what made you kind of turn from novices of like, oh, this is a funny gift that we were just given, to, oh, this feels like accurate, to this feels so accurate that we feel compelled to share this with people. Because I think a lot of people might look at the two of you and be like, well, that's a fun little hobby, but this is actually your career and you not only have, you know, written and sort of been the face of this for a lot of media over the last decades, but also some, some very, very high, you know, high powered and, and kind of high end celebrities really appreciate your wisdom and the attention that you give to sort of how you help people

• 21:49Mayim Bialik?

  plan their lives and make decisions. So can you talk about sort of what, what that shift was like from this is cool to, oh, this actually feels meaningful?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, like many things, it was a quote unquote accident. We didn't plan it. I was actually working at Ms. Magazine for Gloria Steinem. Our roots are in publishing. Yeah, feminist and women's publishing. We had our own multicultural women's magazine in the 90s called Hughes and Gloria founded, became an advisor and then hired me when she bought Ms. Magazine back from a big publisher. Yeah. So, but I would, you know, it was, it was, I love Gloria and she was awesome, but working in the publishing business was not as much fun as it sounded on paper. So I'd kind of wander back to the copy editors' room,

• 22:42Speaker 01

  the freelancers, and just do little astrology readings for them for fun. And one of them ended up going on to Teen People Magazine. I don't know if you remember that one from...

• 22:53Mayim Bialik?

  Of course. I mean, what's better than People Magazine than Teen People?

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Right? Well, exactly. The Teen People edition. And she brought us in to become their astrologers, which led to a book, which we're like, yeah, they gave us a column and it was like, you know, early aughts money. So I think they gave us like $10,000 to write daily horoscopes. And we're like, okay, I guess we're professional astrologers now. So it just, that's how it happened. But that was 25 years ago or so and we're, and the demand just hasn't stopped. We got a book deal. Then we started having people ask us to do charts for them and teaching

• 23:37Speaker 01

  classes. We've led 120-person entrepreneur groups, year-long coaching groups and help people start businesses using the IM system. So we've actually been testing that one out for the last five or 10 years, somewhere in there. And it just keeps on rolling that way.

• 23:56Jonathan Cohen?

  In the early days, when you started to share this information, you said that people started to be like, oh, that's, that's right, or that's true, or, oh, I see myself in some way. Can you give us some examples of people? Like what parts of them were seen that way? How did it reduce anxiety? What parts of their life were they navigating?

• 24:14Speaker 01

  I think the moon sign was, I feel like everybody should learn their moon sign if they can. The moon is your emotional nature and it's often the parts of ourselves that we only show when we feel, you know, like we can let our hair down with people. Whereas our sun sign, or even our rising sign, if you know your time of birth, comes out, you know, in the front facing part of your personality. But for us, for example, it was game changing. We're Sagittarius, like you, I am, we're December 2nd. Our dad is actually the same day as you. Oh, wow. 12, yeah. Powerful birthday.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  So, but what we found out was that we have moon in Scorpio, which is in a very different energy. Because Sagittarius is supposed to be outgoing and friendly and we are. But Scorpio inside, we are actually also, I know I was, I can speak for myself, like very hyper aware of everything going on and very set. Like I didn't know how to respect the sensitivity that I had inside of myself. A lot of, it would always come out in relationships as a lot of anxiety with like, which was so weird because I, you know, with friends, I was like, oh yeah, no problem, no big deal.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  But in intimate relationships, the Scorpio kind of abandoned it meant fears and possessiveness. And I was like, oh my God, I, what is wrong with me? But when I learned the Scorpio moon,

• 25:54Speaker 01

  how to work with that, it was like, I really do have to be very mindful, very demure about who I date because I am an attacher. I do want a deeply bonded relationship. And that's, you know, as 20 somethings, late teens in college, we're all like in the dating world, like playing, you know? And so with our friends, learning their moon signs too, we, we're able to learn how to self soothe, how to comfort ourselves, how to make better choices in love and also with our life decisions, with like our career paths as we like, okay, I want to do something.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Where I get to go a little bit deeper into the psychology of things with people. So that's also very scorpionic.

• 26:45Mayim Bialik?

  Can you give an example of, let's say, a Sagittarius with a different moon rising? Like, what's some of the other flavors? Are there literally like 11 flavors of this kind of personality?

• 26:56Speaker 01

  There are. You can have your moon could be a 100, maybe more than that. So the rising sign is something different. The rising sign changes every two hours. That's the sign that each zodiac sign owns part of the sky. So whatever sign is on the eastern horizon, this degrees of the sky is your rising sign. So our rising sign is actually Capricorn, which is very, why we turn everything into a business. Yeah. But you, well, do you want to talk about your chart?

• 27:29Jonathan Cohen?

  Just before we get to her chart, like, what is a way that, for example, knowing part of your moon sign would help you navigate, for example, a job? Or, or, you know, relationships are kind of, I think, more understandable because you're like, oh, if I have a need for deep attachment from my Scorpio nature, then of course I'm going to make sure that the person I'm with wants that level of depth. But maybe an example from, you know, obviously anonymously of people that you started to work with and they're like, because I think a lot of people are like, oh, either everything is predestined or, you know, how much is really controlled? And I think this is starting to help us understand more specifically, there are just

• 28:10Jonathan Cohen?

  ways in which, you know, you can know yourself better to then sort of be in the flow of the world versus pushing upstream. Because if your core nature is Scorpio or have a Scorpio tendency and you're trying to fight that nature, then obviously things are going to be much harder for you.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. Sometimes you do wanna manage it, but not fight it, because you become aware that it's not working for you in all those situations. So I feel like the I am system, Ophie, maybe is maybe a better way to approach career. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we, we have done readings when we do for many C-suite execs and, you know, CEOs and CFOs and they, you know, it's funny, they almost seem to embrace it more readily than anyone, probably because they have so many decisions and so much pressure on them.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  They see it as a tool a lot of the time. But no, that's, that's a really great question because at work, we have to more hide things about ourselves and try to act like we're kind of one dimensional, one size fits all people. So yeah, the I am system is definitely a way that helps people. But you can look at, for example, Mercury in the chart is how you communicate, how you receive information, how you learn, how you, how you even need to concentrate. So we've helped people be like, oh, okay, well, maybe you need a different environment to work in to be productive.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  I just helped a CMO who had almost no innovator in his chart. He was an authority maven. Well, he kept wanting to harp on like the past and be really, you know, and I was like, when you go into this meeting, what you need to do is the innovator energy, which was low in his chart, is focused on the future. And I advised him to like, lay out a plan because he was going in to meet the board and they hadn't done that great on their numbers. So he, but he kept wanting to like, relitigate things. And I suggested that he actually

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Come in and say, here's where I see us going and take a more effect, you know, instead of, because sometimes our tendencies in our chart aren't the ones we want to lean into, like some of those Scorpio moon tendencies. I didn't want to be the jealous girlfriend, so you know, I had to learn how to be more of my Sagittarius free spirited side. So, but if you can accept and understand, I'm going to tend to be, you know, that's what we do with our clients. It's like, understand your tendencies, your knee jerk reactions and then say, is this the best thing to bring to this situation? Oftentimes it's not. Oftentimes, learning your chart is the first step

• 31:16Speaker 01

  in breaking patterns and, because we're all here to evolve, I believe. We're all souls on an evolution. So how do we not get tripped up by some of our sensitivities too? And the chart can really help people feel seen and validated, but then not stuck in that rut, you know?

• 31:38Jonathan Cohen?

  So what I hear in that is your instincts, which we're all told to trust our instincts, trust our instincts. In the case of the CMO, his instinct was to go back and relitigate, but actually that's counterproductive. And what he really needed to do is understand that, hey, that might be my astrological tendency to want to do that. But what's actually going to work best in this situation is for me to embrace a quality that I may have a low percentage of and bolster that to help me get ahead.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yep. We jokingly call it Astro Ayurveda. But, and that, and you know what? I'm so glad you said that because that, it, it does fly in the face of that kind of common advice that you get of like, just be more of that natural. Well, that doesn't always work, you know? We have to, if we all lived in bubbles, that would be one thing. I think as twins, because despite me eating all the placenta, we have been in relationships since the womb. I was just hungrier, I guess. But, you know, we, we understand, we had our own language as babies. So tuning into other people for coexistence has always, has just been our only experience in life. And so I think it's, it's fun to teach other people

• 32:53Speaker 01

  how to do that, too.

• 32:55Jonathan Cohen?

  I like this idea of bolstering, of figuring out what strategy to use in whatever situation you're in. And I believe that, you know, in life, there is a flow to it and that we're given signs, but we don't always know how to read those signs because we may intuitively feel like, oh, wait a second. I want to make sure that everyone understands how we got here in order to move forward, which is, I have that tendency. And sometimes that doesn't work because people don't want to understand. They don't, you know, they'll have different versions of the past and reconciling that isn't going to help you get to the next stage. So, you know, the struggles that we find ourselves in, there is a playbook somewhere and we don't always have it.

• 33:39Mayim Bialik?

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• 36:56Jonathan Cohen?

  When we move to Mayim's chart and get a sense, and I'm curious, Mayim, if there are times where, you know, there are things that, like the CMO example, you know, you may be like, oh, I want to do this, but you're also pretty good at auditing yourself and seeing where those tendencies come from. So I'm curious how this also reconciles with, you know, you're deep into Enneagram, you're deep into psychotherapy, you're having, she has so much different, so many different modalities. So I'm wondering how it all fits together, where the overlaps are.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  I love that you're embracing this as a scientist because it's not provable per se, but there is a large data pool to draw hypotheses from. What's your Enneagram, Mayim?

• 37:44Mayim Bialik?

  I'm the, I'm the emotional four. I'm the artist. And which is actually kind of interesting that with the I am system, I did not come up as that, but that's actually more of where I resonate. So I'm kind of curious. Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  So in the I am system, you're primarily, your chart is 53% fire. So, and then 46% authority, the fixed signs, which makes you the fire authority. We call that archetype, the protector, an energetic guardian who has a strong sense of responsibility and will do everything to keep their inner circle safe, which is, I'd say, an accurate assessment of what we know of you. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you look at your whole chart, so I don't know if you knew this, but the Enneagram, each of them is related to a different planet. So it has

• 38:42Speaker 01

  astrological roots. So the four is related to Neptune, which is Pisces, and it is the artistic imaginative sign for sure, which you don't have any Pisces actually in your birth chart, interestingly enough. Well, your sun, moon, and rising, which we call the big three, are all in fire signs, and Jonathan's are all in water signs, funny enough. So.

• 39:09Mayim Bialik?

  Like very slimy Jonathan.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  So you're a Sagittarius sun, Aries moon, and a Leo rising. So.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Even though you are, obviously, the for creative dreamer sensitive one, you put yourself up, you know, like what you see is what you get when you're all this like Sagittarius outspoken world focused on global issues. Your moon in Aries, that moon makes it very like, it doesn't take long before you have a feeling and you're gonna say it, which is probably where sometimes it may come across as emotional. Aries is the first sun, it's very hot and fiery and that rules your emotions and your instincts or impulses are really strong.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Aries moons are, I think, the most sometimes emotionally aware, but also like super sensitive. Like you need, I have a friend who's got misophonia, she can't be around, no way. You know, it's like you really pick up everything.

• 40:15Mayim Bialik?

  So one of the first things that people should know about a reading, you're using all the euphemisms so I don't feel bad about myself. What you're actually saying is that I am a hot-headed person who does not have good control of my emotions, which is accurate.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, Aries moons have temper problems sometimes.

• 40:35Mayim Bialik?

  I do, I have a lot of time, I have all the temper problems.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  All the time, and then the Leo rising, and that's fire.

• 40:40Mayim Bialik?

  So let's add in Leo rising, what does that do?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  So that's the outer you, which is a performer, but can also like, everything comes out big and larger than life as a, you know, if you are, if you are angry or emotional. So we, we all are emotional, but the fire expression of emotions, that is a little euphemistic, but, but the fire expression of emotions is to quickly blaze up hot and to understand that that's your tendency.

• 41:10Mayim Bialik?

  Hot-headed and must win.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  And that's the authority, so the authority is...

• 41:16Mayim Bialik?

  I knew Jonathan would love this part.

• 41:18Jonathan Cohen?

  I like her interpretations. You're very, very cautious.

• 41:23Mayim Bialik?

  Right. Like, oh, you have strong emotion. Oh, they're so strong. They sometimes make people cry.

• 41:29Jonathan Cohen?

  They sometimes burn the house down.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  We can bring, we can turn up the sage and the Scorpio, but it might get ugly. Um, so yeah, but that, that authority is very much like, this is how it is and can be set in their ways and very much kind of not diverge from their beliefs.

• 41:50Jonathan Cohen?

  This is very helpful to understand that this is a cosmic blueprint and not something that I trigger in her.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Right. Which you would think when we get to yours, you'll understand why you think you might be triggering it. Yes.

• 42:05Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, but here's my question, because I don't like most of the people I have to interact with. I want to know where my people are. In what timeframe on December 12th am I looking for humans that will have the same triumvirate of asshole fireness?

• 42:25Jonathan Cohen?

  Or the balance, because if you put a bunch of them together, wouldn't they just explode and attack each other?

• 42:31Mayim Bialik?

  But I am curious, how long are those, do these three planets, is it just at 908?

• 42:37Speaker 01

  No, it's a two hour window. There's a two hour window. Yeah.

• 42:41Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, okay.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Let's, well, what degree is her Aries moon? Ophi, do you have that handy? 18. You've got a lot of 18s. A lot of high. Yeah. Your moon is high. And her rising is 18 degrees Leo, if you want to get numerological. So.

• 42:57Jonathan Cohen?

  You like an 18.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  High rising. Well, so, well, okay, so within maybe two hours, the moon would have stayed.

• 43:07Mayim Bialik?

  I need to post for anyone born December 12th, 1975.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  We'll give you the exact hours.

• 43:14Mayim Bialik?

  I want to know those hours. I want, because those are the people that I should work with? Those are the people I should hang out with?

• 43:22Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no. That's too much. That could start a conflagration. We can't have that. You actually, when, this is where the IM system comes in handy. So you are low on earth. You only have one.

• 43:35Mayim Bialik?

  I'm not grounded at all.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Your south node is in Taurus. That's like the past life energy. So you. You do have a little bit of it, but it's not where you're headed. And low on air, too, which makes you kind of get, makes you not as social, not like as many people, too. You're just like, you know what? I'm good. I'm just gonna go burn something down here.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  He's like, I rest my case. I'm a water son. I'm trying to douse the flames. I'm doing my best.

• 44:05Jonathan Cohen?

  Is that why I have been sent here?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 44:08Jonathan Cohen?

  There will be a forest fire otherwise.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  There will be. You are the fire department.

• 44:14Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so we've covered, we've covered the sun sign for me and the moon and the rising. And tell me more about, or talk a little bit more about this sort of, you know, the innovator, the authority, the maven, right? These are the sort of three archetypes that can come up. I came up mostly innovator, but are we?

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Mostly authority.

• 44:40Mayim Bialik?

  I'm sorry, mostly authority. Are we, are we all sort of a mix? Does anyone come up 100% something?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  The most you can come up with is probably my stepdaughter, who's 11, authority, zero innovator and two.

• 44:55Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  But that was a rare moment in 1999 when the planets were all, like many, many of them in one of the types of signs. So what the IM system is based on is a classification of the 12 zodiac signs. They get divided into fire, earth, air and water, but there's another classification called the qualities or modes or modalities, almost like our behavioral drivers and triggers. And that's what we found so, so interesting because we love personality tests and Enneagram and that sort of thing. So the innovators are the signs that begin every season, Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. So if you have a dominance of those in your chart, then you're going to be an innovator.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  You have three, so we're, we have six, so we're innovators, innovating an astrological personality test. The authorities signs toward. Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius are in the middle of the season. So you think the innovator kind of starts the the spark and then the authority takes it and builds it. Tends the flame builds the fire. Everybody has a job. Your job is that. And then the mavens are the the the signs that finish every season. Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces. So if you have a predominance of those in your chart, those are called the mutable signs. Then you're the the sort of transition team.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  You're the the people who bring everyone together, do the marketing, share about it, talk about it, gather everyone around the table to serve up whatever the authorities cooked and the innovators caught. So everyone has a job and depending on the proportions of innovator, authority or maven in your chart, you can look at how you're wired and be like, ooh, I'm low on that. Like, we're low on maven and we always have to push ourselves to do social media types of things.

• 46:52Mayim Bialik?

  Can we, can you talk a little bit about sort of the nurture versus nature of this? You know, if we look at this as sort of the nature aspect, right? This is the the place where things were that can determine all these things. You know, I was raised, let's say, in a in a particular home. Everybody's raised where they're raised. But I wonder, you know, if I had been raised in a completely different kind of home, right? Where there weren't the challenges I had or the, you know, stimulation I had or the excitement that like, whatever. If I was raised in someplace very, very different, is it possible that those features of me would not need to kind of come out the way they have? And is that something we can change as adults?

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Absolutely. We have, that's why we have a parenting section in the astrology advantage book. Like, I'm a water innovator and so is my daughter, who just started high school. And I don't impose astrology on anyone, but I just observe. I have an authority stepdaughter who became an accountant of her own volition. Surprise, surprise. And then my innovator daughter, who does not like, keep track of time.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Well, and I'm always having to kind of help her with her executive functioning, which is very much a trait that we've noticed. So yes, if you, if you're, you know, your parents have been like, okay, she's an authority. Maybe she needs a little more structure or consistency, or maybe she needs a mentor that's not one of us. She's fiery. Maybe we shouldn't try to contain her, or we should give her, we should direct the fire. So it becomes something that warms her up instead of burns everything down. I don't know what your child did was like, but that those are how I would use it.

• 48:34Jonathan Cohen?

  If someone has low air and low earth, how do you bring some of that into their life? Like, is it a practice? Is there, are there like physical objects you can bring? Do you just bury their feet in the dirt? What do you do?

• 48:49Speaker 01

  I, I think with low air, I would really try to work on drawing them out to be more communicative and social. They may tend to go play alone or be a little more introverted, or maybe go along to get along a little bit. And somebody who's low on earth may need to learn how to appreciate structures and routines to ground themselves. I would, I would take a grounded, I would take them to kids yoga at this point, or out in nature a little bit more and let

• 49:29Speaker 01

  them, you know, or maybe have them go volunteer somewhere and make their own lunch or food or something as a kid so that they could get those built in routines. Otherwise, they may struggle with it when they're adults and be more like, going here, I'm going there. Oh, my feelings. Whoa, you know, so. You know, what's really funny is I just had to mute myself because the volunteer fire department started blaring their sirens after we talked about all your fire.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I've got the times for my IMs. Oh. Fire spinner. So anyone born on December 12th, 1975, between the times of 7:38 PM and 10:02 PM Pacific. Amazing. Those are my peeps. 7:38 to 10:02. Those are your astro twins.

• 50:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Bonfires, Will and Sue.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  They will have the same big three, but not the same degrees. They're trying to keep us apart because we're going to start a revolution. That's right. They're telling us, don't get together. That means we're going to bring the Messiah. We can never, ever tear you apart. Never, ever.

• 50:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, this does add a question of like, when building a team, when building a relationship, when having, you know, family is a little harder because you can't choose all your family. But especially for hiring, for friendships, I assume there are complementary skillsets that help one another.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely. Um, our team ends up, whether we want them to or not, playing to their roles. Like, our, our customer service and assisting team is all authorities, and they love it. And we know that if, as innovators, we get scattered all over. And if we don't give them a, a proper plan of bulleted items, that they may or may not know what to do. So we have to train ourselves to give them directions the way they need. Our editor is a maven, you know, just, um, Yeah, she loves doing all the things. Yep. Yeah, it really helps to know. And we work with teams. We've worked with like 200-person, uh, executive teams, and they've all done their IM.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  And we've guided them toward things. It helps them a lot.

• 51:46Mayim Bialik?

  So some people, um, we have a, a friend and kind of a work associate who, um, who interviews people kind of to determine their Enneagram before deciding if they're going to be part of a team. And the reason is because you can have someone, for example, who, let's say you hire someone as an assistant, which is a job that requires a lot of details and a lot of kind of quick starting and a lot of Follow through and a lot of, you know, being able to tolerate many tasks at once. And if you hire someone as an assistant who actually is just wanting to be an assistant, but what they really want to be is a screenwriter, right? And they take this job because like, sounds good, flexible hours, like I'll be able to work it out. I'm smart, I can do it.

• 52:27Mayim Bialik?

  But if they're kind of type, if who they are is actually a creative person, who's very particular about their time and really is an artistic free spirit, that's not going to be a good match. Meaning they might think they should be an assistant because it's like a good way to make money. But it's actually going to be a conflict. So can you talk a little bit about sort of where you see astrology as sort of a a personality test of sorts to help you determine really where you belong so that you're not constantly in conflict?

• 53:00Speaker 01

  You know, what's cool about astrology as a personality test is it's just you get the same results every time with your birth chart. The Enneagram, I was a two and now I'm a three, you know, which does fit more. I guess I'm a three with a two wing, but we're both threes. We thought she was.

• 53:19Mayim Bialik?

  I thought I was a seven and then we did some super corporate one and found out we were both threes. We're like, can we ever, can we ever have something different now?

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Right, no, apparently not.

• 53:30Mayim Bialik?

  But I know what you mean because absolutely. And, and we use astrology exactly the same way. That's why we made the I am system because, you know, the, the Enneagram is one number. And that's what makes it easy for most people to remember. So I am, you have one archetype and you can use it exactly the same way.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  But that, yeah, the innovators on the team, it might not even be that they shouldn't have that job, but that they need to work in a different way. So the innovators, we even have in our book, different office setups that are ideal for each. The innovator actually likes to move around and that's true. Like I'll call her, I'm like, oh, what coffee shop are you at now, Ophie? You know, and I'll be like, I'm on my way to work in Ballard now. Uh, we just need that variety and that stimulating environment whereas um, but we also need a large desk to spread out on. The authority tends to need like, this is my work area.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  This is my play area and they need to be like very siloed in what they do. Well, and then the maven um, can make a real mess. Sorry, Jonathan. I don't know if you do, but we recommend like shelves and building. Are you messy? Oh, yeah.

• 54:50Jonathan Cohen?

  I love shelves, but no, I don't think I'm messy.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  He's also in denial. Is that part of his chart?

• 54:56Speaker 01

  I'm not messy. I've just got a lot going on. Well, let's talk about that because this is a good segue because Jonathan. Denial ain't just a river. It's your rising sign. It's.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Who's the fire sign now? Your Pisces rising, Cancer sun and Cancer moon. So very. You're all water. Yeah. So you're triple water and my am's triple fire and that does not happen often. Yeah, we can find out your, your time group too and you know, if you want. But that might not matter to you as much as a maven. You're like, whatever, you know, uh.

• 55:34Jonathan Cohen?

  So Pisces rising?

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Pisces rising. So that's.

• 55:38Jonathan Cohen?

  What does that mean? That's, I think I.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Fishy. Something real fishy going on. Yeah.

• 55:42Jonathan Cohen?

  That's the one that I didn't know about. I knew about Cancer sun. I actually probably knew at some point Cancer moon. Um, but yeah, walk me through it. How do I understand this?

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Well, the, the, when your sun and moon are the same sign, you're born on a new moon. So you. Roche. Roche Kodesh. Roche Kodesh, baby. So uh, can't, when the sun and moon are in the same sign as well, it's like also what you see is what you get. You're a mo. What does that mean? Sorry. Can you tell us practically what that means in the sky? Uh, the, the sun and the moon are, if you were to look from our vantage point here on earth, they would both be, it would look like they were lined up in this 30 degrees segment of the sky that belongs to Cancer. So imagine we've sort of divide the, the panoramic sky into 12, 30 degree slices.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Each one that makes a 360 degree circle. Yeah. So he's got that. So the sign that was at the nine o'clock. Point or the eastern horizon was Pisces when you were born. And so that's kind of your first view of life, the way you kind of filter everything through your rising sign. It's your lens on life. It's the first impression you make and your first instinct. So Pisces is compassionate, musical, artistic, a little bit melancholic, drowning in the depths sometimes, but like you could be a psychic sponge, really. It's like very sensitive to the energies and moods of the room.

• 57:14Mayim Bialik?

  So sensitive.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Sometimes making too many sacrifices. Kind of, sort of a punk rock vibe. And I'm not just like, you know, it's like a little bit.

• 57:26Mayim Bialik?

  But a little bit head in the clouds. I'm gonna cut through the.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  It can be dreamy too.

• 57:30Mayim Bialik?

  It can be dreamy. Oh, dreamy. That's the fancy word.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  The fancy word for distracted.

• 57:36Jonathan Cohen?

  That's the word for having great ideas.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh yeah, so for sure. And cancers are very home and family nurturing, but you need your freaking space. You need, if you don't have your solitary space, that's just bad news.

• 57:54Mayim Bialik?

  Or just the whole house is your solitary space and there's no room for anyone or anything else. Is that an option?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  That can happen. That can definitely happen.

• 58:03Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 58:03Jonathan Cohen?

  It's not me, it's my sign. Get used to it.

• 58:06Mayim Bialik?

  It's all those maven projects.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, if nothing else astrology gives us the ultimate excuse, you know?

• 58:14Mayim Bialik?

  Do mavens, do mavens like projects? Tell us about that.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  They do, they do. So many projects, oh god. We talk about the maven mess in the book because they have piles of things that they're partway through. Or diff, I mean, an organized maven then will have like rooms or areas, but they definitely have stations for their many different multi hyphenate.

• 58:37Jonathan Cohen?

  That's why I have so many desks. I want a station.

• 58:41Mayim Bialik?

  Four desks.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:42Jonathan Cohen?

  I do.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  I live with a maven. I've bought him cool vintage lockers, done shelves, no matter how many systems.

• 58:52Mayim Bialik?

  No, they want their shit in your face. They don't want to put it in a locker.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna show you the room over there. There's a room with a door on it.

• 59:00Mayim Bialik?

  They're not gonna use a locker. Put those on eBay, sister. He's never using that locker.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Oh my god, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 59:09Mayim Bialik?

  You're the locker. He's gonna be like, hold this. Hold this. I'll be right back. And then do seven other projects. And you're holding the project. Who's the astrologer here?

• 59:21Speaker 01

  I mean, that's what I would say. Mavens like to wear like 20 different hats all at once.

• 59:26Jonathan Cohen?

  I have 20 different hats.

• 59:31Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 59:32Jonathan Cohen?

  They, but they all live neatly on my hat shelves.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Of course you have hat shelves.

• 59:37Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, collectors, curators.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. There is no one better than a maven to find a needle in a haystack, a treasure. They're like, they find the coolest shit, though. They really do.

• 59:51Mayim Bialik?

  And buy it and bring it home.

• 59:54Jonathan Cohen?

  I feel like, though, I have that part. Like, I have, I definitely have those tendencies. But I have a lot of that. I feel like I have it compartmentalized. Yes, I have three desks, not four. I think that's an important correction. And I do like projects, although I tend to try to control them. I do have some piles on my desk currently, but that's part of settling. There's some upheaval happening right now. Normally, I like a very clear desk. I like very clear counters. I do not like a lot of clutter.

• 1:00:26Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, can I, can I say something, though? He, this is, he says that he likes it, and I think design-wise and stylistically, he does. But what's interesting to me, and maybe someone can, um, this can explain this. There are things that, that happen in order for you to have clean, open space. It doesn't seem to be happening, meaning I don't know if that's like a, a dream. I don't know if it's a denial of the practicality, but like, there, I, I wonder, is this a feature of it? Of like wanting it to be, you know, organized and wanting something, but actually the,

• 1:01:07Mayim Bialik?

  what you're interested in doesn't necessarily lend itself to that because you do need all these spaces.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Mavens do everything well when they do it, and that includes cleaning. When the maven decides to clean up, it's like insane. Like, the maven that I live with. Messy and then one day I'll come home and I'm like, I can't, I don't scrub around places with a toothbrush, but it's like they're just-

• 1:01:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Very detailed oriented.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Very, yeah, engineers in some ways, yeah. Fun engineers. Yeah, but like what you're saying, Mayim, yeah, they, they really like to do things with their hands, they're tinkerers and they need their tinker times. So they need a lot of those tubs to put, because a lot of their hobbies come with parts or musical instruments with strings and equipment or- Motherboards. Mother, yeah, whatever. They're always putting stuff together.

• 1:02:04Mayim Bialik?

  This is the most accurate assessment of Jonathan that I've ever heard, meaning we've taken personality tests, we've tried to do the, he cannot figure out his Enneagram. I think because I can answer better than he can, but this is the most, this is the most accurate explanation of Jon. I don't know if it's the most, I don't know if it feels the most accurate for mine, just because like, I don't know, so much of mine seems also kind of like situational and it's sort of like, I just want to be put on a desert island and then I won't be any of these horrible things and I-

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  And that's also a very authority thing to say.

• 1:02:36Mayim Bialik?

  I, I would imagine so, but this feels so accurate to, to Jonathan. Tell us more. I want to know more things about Jonathan.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Well, there's something really fun that I saw about both of you is that you both have Mars in Gemini and Mars is the warrior planet, the motivation planet. So it also shows how we work. So Mars and Gemini, Gemini is the sign of the twins. So you guys work really well together. Gemini is the communicator. It also likes to debate and spar and playfully argue, which I see you do well. And, um, you know, just also that mental curiosity is, now creatively we look at Venus or romantically and Mayim, you have Venus in Scorpio, like

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  us, a curse and a blessing, and Jonathan has Venus in Gemini. So-

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Funny enough, when it comes to like love and stuff, my, you can get a lot more emotionally attached and spun up and Jonathan can get, yeah, yeah. Jonathan can get more rational and like a cat. Like, okay, I need.

• 1:03:45Mayim Bialik?

  Like a mean cat. Like a hellcat.

• 1:03:51Mayim Bialik?

  Like, leave me alone, you know?

• 1:03:53Jonathan Cohen?

  What does that mean, like a cat? Can we expand on that?

• 1:03:57Mayim Bialik?

  Like, don't come close to me. I'll tell you when I'm ready. And then I want all the love. And if you don't, right. And if you don't give me the love, I'm gonna be pissed.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Right. I'm gonna be the little spoon and don't pet me till I'm ready.

• 1:04:11Jonathan Cohen?

  That's what like a cat means. Okay.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  I guess so. I just like, you know.

• 1:04:15Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't own cats. I wasn't aware.

• 1:04:18Mayim Bialik?

  I think it's more like, you know, cats are little, can need their space, can be a little standoffish, a little more cerebral into, I don't know if cats can be, but Venus and Gemini can be a little more cerebral and intellectual about love and feelings. Do you like to talk about things? Analyze it all?

• 1:04:36Jonathan Cohen?

  I do like a little analytical, but also you, I definitely, you know, I, I always attributed this to sort of introversion, extroversion. There, I hit a wall where I'm like, I just need to lie on the couch alone by myself. I like other people around, but I don't want to interact with them. And if I can do that for, and I never know when it hits, like, but it hits at some point.

• 1:04:59Mayim Bialik?

  Cause if we could predict it, other people might be prepared.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Well, we can. That's the other part of astrology that's fun.

• 1:05:05Mayim Bialik?

  So this is, yeah, this is what I wanted to ask. You said these things change, like throughout the day. People check their, their chart every day?

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, some people, astrologers do. So, you know, your chart never changes, but the planets in the sky always do. So astrologers use what's called a by wheel. They take, put your frozen chart in the middle, then kind of like a, you know, like an old camera where you click around to adjust the focus and the F stop.

• 1:05:33Mayim Bialik?

  Or like a pregnancy birth calculator. You put like your date of conception and then it shows you.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Exactly. It just keeps clicking around and you can see how, we follow the moon and as a Cancer, for you Jonathan, the moon would probably be a really good one to follow, but that's how a lot of astrologers make their daily horoscope predictions based on where the moon is compared to you, uh, to your chart or to your signs. So.

• 1:05:59Mayim Bialik?

  So wait, when there's another, because if he was born on a new moon, when it's a new moon, should I stay away from him or get close to him?

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  I think right before a new moon, I would, everybody's, we call it planetary PMS. The eight moon phases all definitely create a global effect. Full moons, eclipses. But yeah, based on your chart, I always tell people, so the two and a half days that the moon is in Scorpio is going to be your planetary PMS, Mayim, whenever it's in the sign before yours. And the two and a half days that it's in Gemini, Jonathan's got planetary PMS.

• 1:06:39Jonathan Cohen?

  Let's review two and a half days when the moon is in Scorpio.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Yep, every month.

• 1:06:46Jonathan Cohen?

  How do I know when that is?

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, we use an app called iLuna. There's a ton of moon apps. You can find the phase it's in and the sign and.

• 1:06:54Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, the Jewish calendar follows the moon. So I know every major Jewish holiday is on a, is on a full moon.

• 1:07:01Jonathan Cohen?

  And sorry, and the other, for me, it's the two and a half days when the moon is in Cancer?

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Gemini.

• 1:07:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Gemini.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Because then it goes into Cancer after that and restarts you for a month. So that's your new month, that's your own personal Roche Chodesh. Susan Miller has a good, it's called Moonlight, uh, Moonlight app? Moonlight. Yeah, just Moonlight. That's a really, and it'll give you a little, right now, the moon is in Sagittarius. So for the three of us, we're on fire right now, you know? The past weekend, we all had planetary PMS. Yeah, how was the weekend for you, Mayim? Retired, were you kind of like, eh?

• 1:07:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Better than the weekend before.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Seeing improvements. I love it. Cancer and Sagittarius too is a very interesting combination because you're actually five signs apart in the zodiac, which is. Means you don't have anything in common.

• 1:07:57Mayim Bialik?

  No, really don't. I barely know why we're here.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like you don't have the same element and you don't have the same quality. So that is, but I, we actually find that that's a great, there's great chemistry there because you're always enigmatic to each other. So it never gets boring, you know?

• 1:08:17Mayim Bialik?

  My mom's a Cancer, which I think is interesting when you meet people who are whatever the signs of your parents or things, because you have sort of a, you know, a pre-decided sort of like, oh, I don't get along with this person, or I do get along with this person. But having a relationship with someone or, you know, even being friends with someone, it's so different than the parent relationship when you're looking at signs.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. And that does matter for sure.

• 1:08:41Jonathan Cohen?

  What would we just say that we're five parts, five signs?

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the zodiac wheel. Yes, your sun sign or your zodiac sign. The, yeah, the distance between any two signs creates an energy in astrology that is either, you know, easy and smooth, but maybe a little boring or different. Sometimes there's some friction. Sometimes it's good. I think, you know, Sagittarians, we get bored easily. So if someone is too much like us, we actually kind of drift. So. She's like, you're still trying to keep me apart. You're trying to keep me apart from my.

• 1:09:20Jonathan Cohen?

  So that's why we could look at each other and be like, what world do you come from?

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much. We call it like the alien, the adorable aliens.

• 1:09:29Mayim Bialik?

  But also, you know, when, when people think of, of dating, you know, there's like the sort of like, what's your sign, right? But that's actually kind of the least of it when you think about it. Like the cute girl who in that store we were in a couple of weeks ago, who asked you what your sign is? And I was like, hi, what are you asking?

• 1:09:47Jonathan Cohen?

  She asked you your sign too, you Scorpio.

• 1:09:50Mayim Bialik?

  Because I walked up.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, do not, do not. That's the Venus and Scorpio. We have that too. Yeah.

• 1:09:57Mayim Bialik?

  That's a very small part of it because knowing that someone, let's say, is a sign that's even complimentary to you. They could have a rising that makes it the thing.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  It'll all come out.

• 1:10:09Mayim Bialik?

  Right. They could have a moon thing. Do people have you do charts if they're not sure if they want to date?

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. All the time.

• 1:10:17Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, did Beyonce do that? Is that how we got this beautiful relationship that's lasted forever?

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  You know what? She did because when we met her at the Billboard Awards, when she was rehearsing, it was in her not, will they, won't they cycle with Jay-Z? And she had never had a chart done before. So we're like, yeah, we're like, do you want us to do this? And she was like, yeah, yeah. And so we did give her her first birth chart and her first couples chart that compared the two of them. And so I don't know if that was the deciding factor or not. I'd like to think so.

• 1:10:54Mayim Bialik?

  I would like to think so too.

• 1:10:56Jonathan Cohen?

  What I hear is that you told Beyonce to marry Jay-Z and that is the only reason it happened.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  That's the only reason. That's our claim.

• 1:11:04Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, let's, let's just, you know, call it. But people do, but people do this. They'll come to you and say, I want to date someone. And what do you think?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  Oh God, yes.

• 1:11:14Mayim Bialik?

  Is that mostly what you get asked?

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  They'll be like, my son, my husband, mystery persons, date. And it's always like someone from their past or someone that they have this feeling with sometimes. So, or they're like, they have a couple that they're, that are in rotation, under consideration. Yeah. And by the way, very rarely will we say, no, don't do that, you know, because people are gonna date who they're gonna date really. But we will say, if you make this choice, here's what you're gonna have to put up with. Get ready.

• 1:11:49Mayim Bialik?

  What about throuples?

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can do a throuple.

• 1:11:52Mayim Bialik?

  Then you got another, add another chart. It's very common. This is the reason the throuples may need to think twice.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  I've done throuples. I've done throuples charts before.

• 1:12:02Mayim Bialik?

  Our software does up to three.

• 1:12:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Does up to three.

• 1:12:06Mayim Bialik?

  If you're a quadrouple.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Or whatever you want to call it. I'm sorry. We're going to get some new software.

• 1:12:10Jonathan Cohen?

  You have to upgrade your software. I wonder if you do retrospectives on relationships that didn't work.

• 1:12:16Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, always.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I mean, looking at the past is actually an even better way to learn astrology than looking ahead because when you look back and go, oh, I think that was what was what made us go, oh, there really is something to this more than, you know, just fun.

• 1:12:36Mayim Bialik?

  That would make me feel good about a breakup if I knew that it was in the stars, that it wasn't supposed to work. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, how, how we set up our homes and what ways we can sort of improve? Let's say, you know, you have something like me, you come up as a, an authority, right? What does that mean? I really like this part of the book where you kind of talked about like literally what setting up a house looks like if you're that person. So can you describe a little bit about what the different archetypes look like in terms of like setting up a house?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Sure. The innovator is always going to want to,

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  you know, be on trend with, not on trend, the innovator is a very like creative design style, you know, colorful, creating an environment that feels enlivening and, you know, they, I'm an innovator. I have a chair from a hotel salvage from this cool hotel. I got, you know, a branch that I found, you know, it's like pieces from their discoveries and that spark people's curiosity and that no one else has. Are the innovators love to be original and sometimes may forget about functionality at first, you know,

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  and need to remember that just because a couch looks really cool doesn't mean.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  That it belongs in your home if it's too uncomfortable to sit on, you know? Most likely to have a not fully furnished home at any time is definitely an innovator. And they're always on the go. So they're like, oh, well, I, you know, I did. Starting is innovator's specialty is the signs that start every season. So finishing, not so much is why we all need each other. True. I still haven't done my bookshelves and I've lived here for seven years, but. Um, and then the authorities, uh, so, and one thing about innovators that can be hard. They're not messy, the way the mavens are, but they do tend to turn every flat surface into a project space.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  They'll move things over, but the kitchen table should be, you know, off limits for them. If they live with other people, you know? We'll take it over. Yeah. Ophie used to work in her kitchen when it was book season. I was like on the countertop. I really, I know that annoyed the family. Why are these annoying people trying to eat and watch TV? Oh, that's my family. Okay. No, I'm busy. Yeah. The authority, on the other hand, uh, likes to have every room have a purpose. And a purpose for every room. I don't know if you're like that, Mayim, but, um, definitely like more traditional decor.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Your awards, your family photos, things that are like nostalgic, you know, art from, you know, the Venice. Heritage, whatever, or like, this is the fun room. This is my office. This is the, you know, you don't necessarily like the rooms to mix. I do like a theme room. I like a theme, like I love, like when there's hotels and like every room's got a different theme. I love that. Like the Legoland hotel, that's my place. Like I want the night.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Awesome. I love it. And then the mavens, when they're not making messes and piles of things can really curate collections. They, but they do need a lot of social spaces as well. Like you said, even if you're taking a nap on the couch. It's good. It's fine if there are people going in and out of the room. Just want to go into your zone. I've seen many a maven fall asleep when they're, when all their people are around. That's when they finally relax and go to sleep. Also, Mavens homes look like workshops a lot. The kitchen will have all the cool knives and gadgets. Like, they like to have, you know, while the innovators are more interested in like,

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  how it looks, like, you know, it's like, cool and, you know, the decor. The Mavens are like, oh, I got a kaleidoscope for our guests and a candy dish. And, uh, you know, I'm gonna put this book out to talk about. Like, they're like, here are my toys. Mavens want people to come over and play with their toys, basically.

• 1:17:00Jonathan Cohen?

  And are there, like, levels to this? Because I feel like as you're talking, you know, I have some of those tendencies, but I also like things to look nice and be streamlined. And I don't have like, I don't feel like I have it to the extreme. I feel, you know, like when it's-

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  You're a Cancer, so Cancer rules the home. And Cancers are about design and, you know-

• 1:17:22Mayim Bialik?

  So it could be that, like, even if he's mostly Maven, which should be his little handle, Mostly Maven, um, even though he's-

• 1:17:29Jonathan Cohen?

  Seventy-five percent, seventy percent, maybe sixty-five.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Uh, fifty-three, actually.

• 1:17:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh, so that's, that's why.

• 1:17:35Mayim Bialik?

  That's really just over half of him. So, so then we have these other-

• 1:17:39Jonathan Cohen?

  What's the other half?

• 1:17:40Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, what's the other distribution?

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Thirty percent innovator, fifteen percent authority. So that's why he has you to fill in, and fifty-three percent Maven. When you do this, so if you go to astrostyle.com/diagram, very easy URL, you put your time, date, and place of birth in, and you get the map. It'll show you the percentage breakdown of each and your type, like Flowmaster or, you know, so that it's-

• 1:18:07Mayim Bialik?

  It's really good to do other people's. It makes it so much, as you can see, like, oh, I don't know if this is me. Oh, that is so you.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, Myam, you are twenty-three percent innovator, forty-six percent authority, and thirty percent Maven. So you're a little more evenly spread.

• 1:18:25Mayim Bialik?

  I'm, I'm less of an authority than you are a Maven.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you are.

• 1:18:31Jonathan Cohen?

  This actually makes a lot more sense now, understanding the breakdown, because you have a lot of collecting. You have that, those tendencies that would be described as maven. And so it's like, really, where do you express each part of that collection of personality?

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  We all have each of them, most likely. Yep, I think she's 364. So yeah, it's the innovator that you're the lowest on.

• 1:18:55Mayim Bialik?

  And also, and you know, just to sort of like bring some of the science into it, like, you know, I am on the obsessive compulsive spectrum, right?

• 1:19:03Jonathan Cohen?

  You're just a maven.

• 1:19:05Mayim Bialik?

  Which means that I'm gonna have, but I'm gonna have a certain set of, you know, categorical things that can be genetic and environmental. And if people are on the autism spectrum, like, there's all different kind of flavors of this that are then gonna color, you know, the intersection between these things, which I think is a really neat thing about the way that you work. You know, you, you integrate a lot of other components. And I actually wanted to ask about something that, you know, is kind of outside of this scientific realm, but related. What's up with tarot cards? Because I know you can incorporate them. A lot of people love them. You know, they're kind of whimsical and they're beautiful and there's all these differently creative tarot cards.

• 1:19:46Mayim Bialik?

  But some people really kind of live by what they're drawn to pull from a deck. What's up with tarot?

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Tarot is a different, okay, tarot still has symbology. So it is, there's a randomization to it. It's like, people believe that you have a connection to the cards and they're giving you a message that you couldn't necessarily grasp from your own mind, you know? There's, there's a, there is a way more woo component to it. But when you see the card, each one has a num, there's a major arcana and then there's a minor arcana. So the high priestess, for example, is two. So that gets into numerology.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  And each card is also associated with a planet too, is connected to the moon. So it does, they all cross into each other. It's an interesting divination system, but, but we were drawn to astrology because we do have more math minds, not just because of my binary rising degree, but.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  I find it easier to say, well, you're an 18 degree Leo rising and that's what this means and that's a fact if based on the measuring system we use, whereas Tarot, although I do use it, I feel like I started to use it after becoming more psychic from doing so many charts, like.

• 1:21:14Mayim Bialik?

  I'm sorry, did you say you be, you, you can become more psychic?

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you definitely can.

• 1:21:19Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, wait, wait, hold on one second. Say, say more.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  What happened was I started looking at all these charts and I used to spend very long amounts of time, like hour, a couple of hours preparing them and reading what it meant, but then it stuck. We have photographic memories to be up, to be fair, but I started, it started, I think another part of me, it's like, I think I built a neural pathway of, from learning the astrology and it became known, it became a muscle memory of sorts. And that allowed, as I started to look at charts, I felt that the symbols kind of started to talk to me or I was getting information and I didn't know, I'll have this experience

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  sometimes where I'm like, I don't know where this is coming from, but I'm just going to say it. I just decided I was going to practice that and I started that and it turned out I was having a psychic reading of someone, like a woman whose brother had died. I was, I described a painting that he did.

• 1:22:24Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  Reading, yeah. And I was like, it's, he wants you to move it. I was like, I'm just saying, okay, I'm just going to just be weird and say it. I was like, okay, he, it's in a dark place and he wants you to move it out of that place into some other, her brother had, who did suicide and had left a painting for her and she'd put it in a dark hallway unbeknownst to me. What about the fact that you dreamed the history of our dad's family from Bulgaria to Israel?

• 1:22:57Mayim Bialik?

  What is happening right now? And what, the four, the four minutes between her stealing the placenta and you being stuck in the incubator and she got a weird gift that you don't have?

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Fair. She has some that happens sometimes too, but yes. Okay, so go ahead. I'm sorry, you you dreamed your whole family's Bulgarian story? Uh, actually, I'm gonna just really out myself and say it was a Ouija board. Um, okay, it was the Ouija board, but you still channeled it. Our dad's mom, uh, died when he was an infant. He was our dad's family. They're Sephardic Jews who were from Bulgaria. Um, but there was always this mystery of like, they went on this ship that tipped over and one of his two brothers drowned and his dad wasn't able to save them. That that was all we ever heard. And I was using the Ouija board. Don't ask why, you know, don't, I don't know why.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Cause you were 12 years old at a birthday party. Right, exactly. Thirty twelve, yeah. Thirty twelve, right. Forty twelve, yeah. And, uh, and it was like, okay, this is my grandmother or whatever, who of course, obviously never met. And it was like, your mom has the story wrong. And so I started some research. And apparently there was this, there was this eye doctor who paid for this wooden ship to help the Jews escape Bulgaria. And you can, I found, I mean, I literally found an academic white paper. That's how like deep I researched. And he sold 300 tickets, but it was only supposed to hold 50 people.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  And it got caught in a storm. Um, so in this white paper was a, is a picture in Jerusalem of a large, it's not a grave, it's a large memorial with all the names of the people who were on this ship. It was called the Salvador. On, and not, our parents met in Jerusalem, probably steps away. Our mother was studying abroad at the Hebrew University. They did not even know this thing existed. It has our grandfather, our two uncles and our grandmother's name.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  On the memorial, as though they died, the only person, only one of them did. So, uh, that's, that's the creepy thing.

• 1:25:18Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, wait. No, you know what the fucking creepiest thing is? It sunk on December 12th.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, it did. Our dad's birthday.

• 1:25:28Mayim Bialik?

  My birthday.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  I know. That's right. Oh, you found it. Good work.

• 1:25:33Mayim Bialik?

  1940, carrying Jewish immigrants from Bulgaria.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Yep. You found it. Uh huh. That's right. It sank on our dad's and your birthday.

• 1:25:44Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  He was born in 1944. So I was like, and, and I've told my parents this and they don't seem as like shocked. I think they even went, I was like, could you, why don't you go look at this thing? So, I mean, I gotta like hit them over the head with this paper here. So, yeah, isn't that, yeah, that's the kind of weird stuff I cannot explain. Does that count as psychic? I think so.

• 1:26:10Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, I think it begs the question, you know, besides the astrological work that you do, um, you know, is there kind of a specificity to what you tap into that informs this work? And yeah, I am curious, Tali, like if you have similar, you know, kind of access to other realms that you also feel also is kind of giving credence to the work that you do? Cause I think in some ways, there's a lot of people who do astrology and it's fun and it's great. But kind of understanding that there are also things outside of your realm of understanding that kind of click in feels like, oh, maybe this stuff does make sense to you in a different way because of an intuitive sense.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Or maybe just the ability to, that we over practice and over time. I think we've always been intuitive. Like I can remember before I had language, being frustrated, not being able to get involved in conversations that my mom and aunt were having and our grandmother, like can literally remember being on the kitchen floor, like, I want to say something, you know? So sad, but, uh. And you had all my pregnancy symptoms. I was, I, she doesn't have kids. She, I had zero symptoms. I think we're seeing who gets the short end of the stick here. placenta. No pregnancy symptoms. Yeah.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  God, it's a, it's a cross to bear. No.

• 1:27:41Mayim Bialik?

  So if I wanted to enhance my ability to be in touch with these things.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  You can, don't you think?

• 1:27:49Mayim Bialik?

  I, I mean, who knows?

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  I mean, you're the, we are the brain scientist, right? Like, we don't use much of our brains, right?

• 1:27:56Mayim Bialik?

  So what would that look like? I mean, is it sort of looking at charts and looking at people and understanding them? Is it understanding your own self in the, in the scope of your chart?

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  My, my opinion on it is that it's all of the above. I think it's like you get yourself into a relaxed enough state to be able to get. I feel like, you know, maybe there's energetic, maybe there's energy and information that's available for us to access. But we have to be in the right state to be able to receive it. So. Well, I would say, so you are low on earth and air, which OCD spectrum makes sense. Cause things being moved around and out of place. So getting into your body with that high fire could be really hard.

• 1:28:45Mayim Bialik?

  It's very hard. Well, I think it's really hard. And even just what you mentioned, I mean, I think a lot of people, it's not just that we want to be able to like be more psychic or we want to, you know, like a lot of us just want to feel more in our body, feel less out of control, feel less anxious. So even what you just said, like, that's for many of us, what we're trying to achieve. When we learn to breathe correctly, when we learn to meditate. Or, you know, some people are, you know, using prayer, right? Or having like spiritual experiences just to try and get into our body. So I would say that, you know, all my friends out there who are very fiery and don't have a lot of air or grounding, probably would in theory have a similar experience of challenges, getting into our bodies, relaxing, tuning in,

• 1:29:28Mayim Bialik?

  believing things are outside of our realm.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, you might need to do something more kinesthetic to get like, for me, when I'm doing a reading, when I look at a tarot card or I look at a chart, I, it gives me something to focus on. And then I feel the energy kind of coming out of my, you know, like out of this part, like this is where all the energy concentrates. And I go, okay, and I start to. Know what to say and get information, you know? It's kind of like when you're writing, like, are you just transcribing? But we're water dominant, so that might be different. It's like it starts to kind of roll in like waves. But with all that fire for you, I think you need to like actually get all that energy out of your body. It's very physical.

• 1:30:14Mayim Bialik?

  Jonathan is a much more kind of intuitive, you know, kind of feels, feels things very deeply or picks up on other people's energy, for lack of a better word. And by that, I mean, if he's around a lot of agitation, it's not just that he gets agitated, he gets out of sorts and it like feels kind of cloudy for him, meaning it's upsetting. So is that a feature of water-ness?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yes, very much. But you might, you might be energized by the agitation, like throw you in the middle of it sometimes.

• 1:30:48Jonathan Cohen?

  She'll make a list of all the things that need to be fixed.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  Put her in a mosh, yeah, you might get psychic downloads in a mosh pit or something. I don't know.

• 1:30:56Mayim Bialik?

  Whoa, let's try that out. That's an episode. Valerie, let's get on it. Mosh pit coming at us.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Drumming, I know that sounds weird.

• 1:31:03Mayim Bialik?

  No, I like, you know, so music is a place, like, and especially the synagogue, right, the synagogue I go to, there's a lot of, it's actually Sephardic cantor, and there's a lot of melodies that feel like they're from another time and there's some drumming and it's very like, it, it feels a little bit like you're touching something from another place. And I don't know how to describe that. It usually makes me cry, like I feel overly emotional about it, but I don't know why.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Well, I can tell you in your chart, since we've gone fully woo now, there are two points, and Tali mentioned them earlier, called the south node and the north node, and they're included in our data set of the IM system. And they're always in opposite signs and houses of your chart, so they're diametrically opposite each other. And one is your past life sign or what your soul's DNA is, that's called your south node. And then your north node is what you're becoming. So tikkun. The tikkun, they call it in Kabbalah. So you have a Taurus south node and a Scorpio north node.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  So you're very, um, the Taurus south node is those very haunting, ancient, old traditions.

• 1:32:16Mayim Bialik?

  Ancestral trauma. That it is actually, it is. And it gets gets stuck in your body. And the Scorpio is the mystical, though. So you are moving toward from the kind of material skeptical tourist kind of it's very authority ish to the Scorpio like maybe there is something out there. So I would think that a sephardic melody might awaken that in you because it has that scorpionic haunted, you know, Spanish mystery, but still the tradition.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  So interesting that Jonathan is a Pisces, South Node, past life energy, very comfortable in the numinous undefined energy, moving towards Virgo, which is orderly and systematic and meticulous.

• 1:33:06Mayim Bialik?

  Well, this is really interesting because the two kind of most esoteric points, let's say of a chart, right? This sort of like past and future, which a lot of people would be like, I can't get my head around that. For for sort of the life transitions, I would say that Jonathan and I are undergoing as adults, which feels a lot like kind of a suspended maturation, you know, like we're finally sort of, you know, especially with our podcast and we're forming this like work that we do together. Those feel more, you know, accurate to the intersection that we're part of. And and speaking of it from kind of a scientific perspective, if you are someone who and we know this, if you are experiencing intergenerational trauma, which many of us do, right?

• 1:33:47Mayim Bialik?

  Especially if you're a post Holocaust family or family comes from from war or, you know, a refugee status, right? You're raised with this sort of luggage, right? Like we were in our grandmothers, like the the eggs that are you were in your grandmother's womb when she experienced everything because that's how gametes work. You can look it up. So if you think of that, there are people for whom that intergenerational trauma is going to weigh more heavily. And this we know, and there's a lot of research into this, but. What does healing from that look like?

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  And that's where the North Node comes in.

• 1:34:21Mayim Bialik?

  Right, so for me, my healing is to get, you know, out of intergenerational trauma, right? My body has a lot, like, carries a lot, right? Some of us have autoimmune diagnoses, and especially for women, a lot of us are carrying these things. So what does healing look like? It looks like looking towards more spirituality, more connection, less bossing people around and trying to manage and control everything, and really trying to move into, I mean, when you talk about who you're supposed to be, that's like, that seems to be what this North Node is. For Jonathan, really moving into a lot more order and structure, which is actually comforting for someone who typically has been, you know, kind of, I don't want to say floating, but yeah.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Exactly. You're opposite in some ways because you're going from earth to water, and he's going from water to earth. And, you know, sometimes people with Pisces South Nodes, that's one of the hardest t-cones of past life because it can mean that in your childhood, sometimes it's like you had to deal with addiction, a parent having an illness or addiction or somehow not giving you the structure that you needed. Pisces is boundlessness. So learning how to actually have boundaries and limits is part of your healing. And that might not be the case for you, but that is often what a-

• 1:35:43Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, I like this assessment. Also, I had a question. There are people who say that they like, they know that they've lived other lives, or like, this is my last incarnation, sometimes people will say, like, what is that? What is happening with that?

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Well, you know, it's really interesting because you may have heard of or read the book, Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss, but he was a psychiatrist who was using hypnosis with a patient who was having severe multiple personality disorder. And she began to remember past lives that he went and researched and historically corroborated. Yeah, put that one on your Scorpio North Node bookshelf, and he is a Scorpio, so- And Dolores- Canon also. Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:28Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, I mean, everybody in this room knows Dolores Cannon.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. We love her.

• 1:36:34Mayim Bialik?

  But I I wonder, because those are things that a lot of people consider like, that's crazy. But then in like, in secret, you're like, but what if, what if that's true? What if we're accessing things? What if we can loop back?

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like remembering, like, do you have a remembrance? And a lot of people I know have had this where you're like, do you have a remembrance as a child? Where you looked in the mirror and like, what am I doing here? Yes. Yeah. And I feel like that is sort of what we are like, oh, I'm back in this body again in some way, you know?

• 1:37:06Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, dissociative identity disorder, is it just your, your multiple lives meeting?

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Maybe, right?

• 1:37:13Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying that facetiously.

• 1:37:15Jonathan Cohen?

  And if not taken to the clinical realm, you know, what you were talking about is that there's all this energy around that we can become aware of. How do we move beyond our five senses? And as we do, maybe we are sensing things that we're not aware of because we're not ever taught how to live or incorporate those senses or that information. So psychic ability, as we begin to get that, it's different than necessarily intuition, which is kind of, you know, a little fuzzier that we described before, but literally getting information. The way that you describe, oh, I have to tell this person or, you know, you get into their field, for example, and you just know information about them.

• 1:37:52Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I have to tell this person about a piece of art that needs to be brought out of the darkness, like.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  My guides are telling me you need to carry my groceries up these stairs.

• 1:38:03Mayim Bialik?

  Do you have, do you feel like you have guides around you? I mean, I'm curious for each of you what your answer would be.

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  I probably do. I think I must because things work out for us in these bizarre, serendipitous ways. We'll see like flashes of repeating numbers and all kinds of like, I feel like the piercing of the veil happens that way. But I don't walk around saying my guides. I try to be like, not that person. Honestly, yeah, I, I am aware of being, of being protected, I'd say. But I don't have a like a, this is my guide, Henry, you know, things like that. But some people do, you know?

• 1:38:42Jonathan Cohen?

  What do you mean by piercing of the veil? I have my own thoughts on it.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  Okay, I bet you do, as a fellow water dominant person, but um. Well, it's a time when you, when you. That awareness that there's more than just this, there's more and then like suddenly there's a like the veil is the the illusion that everything that we can touch, taste, feel, smell, our five senses is all that there is. And I mean, it's understandable why people would walk around feeling that way, but there comes a point in most people's lives, I think, when an experience comes and you're just like,

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  there's something else, there's some divine force that maybe I don't know what it is, but it's it's talking to me, it's trying to get my attention, whether it's through serendipities or just things that you know that you don't know how you could, or just a feeling, a moving feeling of connection to all of it. Maybe it can happen at a concert or when you're looking at a Sephardic synagogue. I mean, you just have that moment of oneness and when you just feel like you're connected to all.

• 1:39:58Mayim Bialik?

  This is a a pretty heavy Kabbalistic concept, which, you know, Kabbalah is, I don't know, kind of like, I don't want to say a cousin, but it's sort of like a cousin to some of this. You know, traditionally numerology and things like that are are not really practiced or, you know, astrology is not encouraged in in Jewish thought. However, you know, Kabbalistic traditions for for thousands of years, you know, have have had, I don't want to say secret, but yeah, a very heavily guarded kind of concept of some of these esoteric aspects, which used to be, you know, a significant part of certain aspects of Judaism and rabbinic Judaism was like, let's keep it really simple so that nobody leaves and we can fight wars, right? But, you know, there's a Rabbi Kiva Tatz and he has this book called World Mask.

• 1:40:43Mayim Bialik?

  And what he describes is basically the veil and that imagine if everything that you're seeing, and I get chills and makes me want to cry. If everything that we're seeing is actually a projection, it's not actually what's happening, right? And, you know, the kind of common nomenclature is like, we're all in the matrix, right? I mean, that's why the matrix for some of us was so incredibly significant and powerful because it was like It made a movie about what so many of us had been feeling intuitively. And so World Mask talks about this sort of concept that like, there is a veil over everything. And just like if you were to project something from a movie projector onto a screen, you'd be able to describe exactly what's going on. You could even see it in different dimensions and you could have feeling and it can have a soundtrack and you know, and it's an accurate representation of what's on that film, right?

• 1:41:28Mayim Bialik?

  But it's still a projection and there's still this sort of veil that covers everything. And for me, when you talk about piercing through the veil, it's those kind of moments of like, what if there's something else? What if there's something more? What if I just experienced something and I can't explain it? What if I just got an image about a boat? Like what is happening? Those are glitches in the matrix, you know?

• 1:41:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes to all of that. And you know, I think there are so many different ways to describe it. Some of them get a little dangerous because people can use that as a weapon, almost to avoid taking accountability or responsibility for things.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's not the right use, yeah.

• 1:42:05Jonathan Cohen?

  So it's like, it's very, you know, I-

• 1:42:07Mayim Bialik?

  I like how judgy she just was. It's her Taurus in East Sun.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  That's not right, yeah.

• 1:42:14Mayim Bialik?

  Sorry.

• 1:42:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Or like if someone doesn't, you know, finish anything, it's like, oh, because I'm only a starter and I'm not a finisher. But like, there's, you know, degrees to this. But I would say that we all have, there's something more going on for most of our experiences. Whether that be early childhood conditioning or our astrological map or, you know, the narratives that we've built. But my belief is that all of these are fully mirrored systems that are playing out as projections. So the problem I have in this relationship may be 100% this,

• 1:42:53Jonathan Cohen?

  while also being a representation of astrological combinations that have certain dynamics, while also each one of us having a narrative that is juxtaposed and not really fitting together yet, while also having, you know, our energy fields represent that. The literal stuff that's outside of our bodies bumping up against one another and you can like get into the level of the meridians and, and if you believe in chakras that, oh, as we step into space together or try to connect, they're also happening. So-

• 1:43:27Jonathan Cohen?

  I think that each one of the modalities is a way to access it, but understanding more of the overlap, getting more of that information, allows you to see it differently. Why are you smiling like that?

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  Because that's the longest sentence anyone has ever spoken.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  It was a good one, though. It was a good one.

• 1:43:45Mayim Bialik?

  It was so good, but so long.

• 1:43:46Jonathan Cohen?

  I wanted map and see if I spoke any longer than she spoke before. And do firesides have a hard time listening?

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  I put punctuation. He just took his four desks and he laid them all out and he vomited all of his words all over his four desks. You know what? I think I, I, but what, what he just demonstrated is really at the core of it. Like, we have no fucking idea, right? Like, we only know like this much of what's really going on. And there's so many overlapping layers of things happening all at once that like, why not approach things like this with a sense of wonder? That's, that, rather than disdain. It's like, okay, we don't know. We can't prove astrology. We can't prove tarot. But how wonderful that we've had this system developed since the Babylonians,

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  to the Egyptians, to the Greeks, to modern day, like, why has it, you know, like, this is, and, and, you know, to play with it. Try, just like the Enneagram, you can't prove it, but you can play with it and try it on. And if it helps you to like move and navigate this bizarre plane, this is a long sentence too, but um, then why not?

• 1:45:04Jonathan Cohen?

  She's marking. She's taking notes on where punctuation should go.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  Insert semicolon, placenta. Yeah, I think, um, I think what happens is that we find ourselves in situations that we don't know how to navigate and they really take us out of our game. And our brains and our minds and our knowledge and our education doesn't help, but it doesn't help fast enough. And that's when people start to like, grant, like, okay, maybe I should look outside of this lens that I have for, because the other, the, the other stuff isn't helping any better.

• 1:45:43Jonathan Cohen?

  And that's how a lot of people get into alternative modalities. They're stuck in some way and they're looking for other information. They know that this cannot be enough. They know that there is something else contributing to how they're experiencing the world. And they're like, "Just give me some more information." And often those can blow people's minds open. You know, I, um, years ago, I taught meditation and I taught a kind of a class that was hard to describe. It was like, start to, it was like an intro to energetics. Where, um, it wasn't like hands-on work or anything, but it was starting to get people aware that they could impact their energy field.

• 1:46:22Jonathan Cohen?

  And, and so it was like, you know, getting your hands used to sort of sensing and extrasensory. It was also, you know, getting people in proximity and then getting people to, to, or to practice. There's some exercises where you're like, "Okay, I'm gonna close my eyes and I'm gonna imagine." And, because, you know, a lot of it is, a lot of the work is in combination with imagination, like how we can visualize. So if you can visualize a field around yourself, can I make myself really, really small? And then can someone else feel where my boundary is externally and walk up and feel it and sense it? And you would, I would work with people who had zero experience. These are like suburban people who were like, kinda started to meditate and were curious.

• 1:47:06Jonathan Cohen?

  And then like two or three people would be walking towards someone who made their field really, really small and stop at the exact same moment. Now, and then just feel, wait, whoa, wait. And then they would say, "Okay, now try to make yourself as big as possible." Again, visualizing externally, uh, that the energy and the space around you is a part of your body and is being pushed as far as you can. And some people would have a really hard time with that, meaning they couldn't take up space. And other people would be like, "I'm trying to fill this whole space." And, you know, it's, it's, it's not a double-blind study, of course. There's a lot of subjectivity to it, but people would show and explain that, "Oh my God, all of a sudden I have this pulsing in my hands where that person envisioned themselves ending."

• 1:47:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Or they were able to extend to. And so then you start to think like, "Oh, if I actually..."

• 1:47:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Don't exist in any particular time or space. That I walk into a room well before I walk into the room, or my intention for whatever I'm experiencing. And if I don't have intention, that also carries some sort of charge or information to it. That that's existing around me and people can sense that.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  A thousand percent, which is actually just demonstrated Pisces right there. Because Pisces, no, Pisces is the 12th sun. It's like, it's aware of the invisible realm and energetics. And Albert Einstein was a Pisces, you know? So that quantum fields you have a deep connection to with your chart. I just did, do you know who Jeffrey Allen is? He's an energy healer. I love Mindvalley. Yeah, so he does, he has a energy, it's called duality. And he actually teaches you how to like, a lot of the things that you just say. I like, just did this recently. So I'm like, wow, okay, I track, I'm tracking here.

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  Your consciousness can be somewhere that your body isn't. But that's so cool that you taught that. That's awesome. Yeah, that's so cool. How did you learn that?

• 1:49:13Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a good question.

• 1:49:16Jonathan Cohen?

  Through sort of decades of experimentation, I got into energy work at 17. I started practicing and then just a lot of life struggle, which made me think there has to be more tool, there have to be more tools than I have right now that are available. Experimenting with all different sorts of modalities and then piecing those things together. And then seeing really when I was most off track in my life, it also correlated to being furthest away from any sort of practice that involved using either a deep sense of creativity and a practice of creativity

• 1:49:57Jonathan Cohen?

  and a deep relationship with this side of myself, which is, you know, you call it the Pisces or whether it's the, the sort of experimenting with energetics or, you know, I don't know, you had a couple of other terms that I thought were quite fitting because I've always struggled to explain it. But creativity for me and this realm working hand in hand. And the podcast is probably the most tangible expression of this because we're putting it into words, which is often kind of hard to explain. And we're having these conversations through different experts and people who have different practices that try to make it tangible because they're like, okay, if I know that I enter a space before that,

• 1:50:40Jonathan Cohen?

  or that literally thinking a certain way and sending an intention, not to control someone, but like, I'll often think about you and then immediately you text.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:49Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm like, we haven't spoken all day long and then all of a sudden, I'm like, where is she? And boop, there you are.

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  Yes, very watered.

• 1:50:56Mayim Bialik?

  I've been making a list of all the things I'm pissed off about not texting until I pull off and then I should reach out and say hi.

• 1:51:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh, I can 100% know when she's annoyed without, if we haven't spoken all day.

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  You smell the smoke.

• 1:51:09Mayim Bialik?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:51:12Jonathan Cohen?

  How does that benefit us, right? Like, how do I use it tangibly? I worked with one woman who was a teacher mentor for a little while, where she said, the people all have energy and energy frequencies and that obviously changes as we change and what states we're in. But you can tune into those remotely like a radio channel if you learn to quiet your mind and sort of go into that unknown space. And so, you know, anyone listening at home or watching can take a minute and whatever practice they use, I won't go, you know, too far into this yet. But they can quiet their rational minds for a while, close

• 1:51:51Jonathan Cohen?

  their eyes and say, okay, let me take my attention like a tuner and put it towards someone who I love or who I'm connected with. And just give themselves enough time and quiet to tune into what does that sound and feel like.

• 1:52:12Jonathan Cohen?

  Are you making it up? Maybe, but also you're entering a void of an unknown in outside of our five senses. That is probably has a high likelihood of accuracy. And similar to the way you described, oh, we started doing readings and people started to feel, oh, that's really interesting. Like doing that remotely, connecting to someone in that way, you can start to to get feedback over time that, oh, actually what I felt was really accurate. Oh, they were really going through that. And as we begin to do that, we start to realize we're far more interconnected than we have ever imagined. And that can impact how we're interacting with each other in the physical world

• 1:52:54Jonathan Cohen?

  by understanding those sorts of non-physical connections.

• 1:52:58Speaker 01

  And exactly when you have an astrology chart in front of you, I think it kind of, or a tarot card, it gives you something terrestrial, something tangible to radar in on. So it kind of cuts through the noise. And that, but I still think it's like we're doing exact, like what you described is how I feel when I'm doing a reading. I will like focus on someone in that moment. When I'm doing a reading, that person's the most important thing. They they exist. I'm out of my, I don't exist. I'm focused on them. But having the chart also as a guide allows me to know where to anchor the conversation.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  But it's it's it's both, you know, like it's both.

• 1:53:44Mayim Bialik?

  If you believe, let's say, in God, if you have faith that you're protected by some power greater than yourself and that even if bad things happen, like they teach you lessons and you can correct and learn different things, where does astrology fit into that? Meaning, you know, part of me is kind of like, well, everything's going to work out the way it's supposed to. So why should I try and know things and try and change them? Or is that part of sort of God directing people towards resources?

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  I would, yeah, I would think of it like the weather, like, you know, God might make rain, but that doesn't mean you should use, you shouldn't use an umbrella. So astrology is like your umbrella.

• 1:54:24Jonathan Cohen?

  Do I have any numbers that I should be aware of? Mayim has 18 repeated in her chart. Is there anything specific for me?

• 1:54:30Mayim Bialik?

  Tali, take a look.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  Numbers, you have a 17, there's a 17 in your chart that shows up. So Mayim's got 18. You've got 17, which I believe is a karmic number. My friend who's an astrologer told me that. You have 17 degrees Venus and Gemini. And your Uranus is at 17 degrees, 17 minutes of Scorpio. So that was the only one that I saw repeating, but in your chart in terms of degrees. But you do have an 18 degree Neptune. So there's, there's some 18. Oh, your Neptune, is Mayim's sun 18 degrees sad, Shofi? No.

• 1:55:13Jonathan Cohen?

  When you were saying 17, I didn't have any connection to it.

• 1:55:16Mayim Bialik?

  I had an instant connection to 17 for him.

• 1:55:18Jonathan Cohen?

  She's more psychic than she thinks.

• 1:55:20Mayim Bialik?

  I thought about psychic. Jonathan's whole life changed when his brother was 17 and was thrown from a car. And Jonathan, Jonathan has gotten a new brother. His brother recovered, but it changed Jonathan's life, changed the whole family's life. But a very, very, very significant year.

• 1:55:38Jonathan Cohen?

  I was 14, my brother was 17. And when you ask, how did I get into this? It was all in the aftermath of, of this. And actually, I was 17 the first time I started exploring in energy work and getting into this whole field. And that launched me, it was right after my 17th birthday. It was a couple of weeks after my seven, or no.

• 1:56:00Jonathan Cohen?

  Now I, yeah, I was 17 and it was, it was a few weeks before my 18th birthday that launched me into exploring all of this.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:56:09Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  See, I mean, I think maybe we need to repackage, rebrand the word psychic because it conjures up pictures of a storefront window, charlatan. But the truth is we're all, psychic realm is accessible for all of us. And I think what, like slowing down the mind, tuning in, like.

• 1:56:34Speaker 01

  It does, you know, anyone, anyone can tap into this. It doesn't matter how educated you are, how scientific you are, how uneducated you are. But it's just, it's a, it's a universal consciousness that I think we all can access. We just get to it in different ways and through different experiences. So my am you are psychic too.

• 1:56:58Mayim Bialik?

  The book is The Astrology Advantage by the Aduet sisters. Ophir and Tali, thank you so much for being here. And I really, I really enjoyed the book. And also, it's just a great, it's one of these great reference books that you can sort of pull up anytime you need to, want to. And I really appreciated it. And we're so grateful that you came on to talk to us. So thank you so much.

• 1:57:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Thank you so much. It's really a pleasure to connect with both of you.

• 1:57:25Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. Yeah, I had the best time.

• 1:57:31Mayim Bialik?

  Well, Jonathan, besides you saying the longest sentence I've ever heard you say, I learned a lot about you in this episode.

• 1:57:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Can you repeat that sentence for me? I want to see if you can say it faster.

• 1:57:39Mayim Bialik?

  The thing that really surprised me was they actually use astrology in a very different way than I thought. I thought this was going to be kind of what you get when you open, you know, the astrology pages in Elle magazine, which, believe me, I've done. This went far deeper and kind of far beyond the sort of surface. What's your sign? And they explained how all of the aspects of who we are are comprised of a lot of different factors. And some of them are genetic and some of them are situational or environmental. But a lot of them, in this case, can be understood in a larger scope

• 1:58:18Mayim Bialik?

  of really seeing where you fit in the universe, for lack of a better phrase.

• 1:58:25Jonathan Cohen?

  There are so many different factors that make up how we react to any given situation. And what I liked, the words she used was anchoring. She gives a reading and uses astrology as an anchor point to provide more information. And I do think that the...

• 1:58:45Jonathan Cohen?

  Practice of astrology is simplified down to the most basic. And you know, one of the biggest criticisms of the popular astrology that you read in magazines is like, oh, it's just basic enough that it can apply to absolutely everyone. And that's actually the, the way that most people experience astrology.

• 1:59:04Mayim Bialik?

  But that's not what they talked about with us.

• 1:59:06Jonathan Cohen?

  And this is very different because you're like, oh, based on this particular thing. And they really dive into the very, much more specific personality qualities. And I think if, if you're only going by what's in the newspaper, yeah, it has a level of feeling, I don't know, a little bit scammy or, you know, it's so vague that it doesn't mean anything. And of course it applies and you hear people really criticize anyone who thinks about alternative forms of information like this as, oh, you're just being scammed. And, you know, there are scams in medicine. You go, you're in Los Angeles, you throw a dart at a doctor, you're not going to necessarily get the best doctor. You're, there are people with bad scruples in all areas and this is of course, subject to that, given that it's not a regulated practice.

• 1:59:51Jonathan Cohen?

  But finding someone who really can get the specifics, I found really fascinating. And there was a couple of points where I had not thought about myself in that particular way.

• 2:00:02Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, and I think also, um, what, what I really appreciated is they're, they're willing to take in a lot of different perspectives to add to the knowledge base that they have. And I think that's a neat thing. Like the book can give you your chart and you can get your distribution, but there's so many other factors that have to be included. And I really appreciated them not giving kind of a one size fits all. So, um, really such a pleasure to talk to them. And, um, yeah, lot more, lot more, lot more layers to astrology than I thought. And that's it from our breakdown, the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.