The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
Hosted by Billy Corgan
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In this episode, the guest shares the remarkable journey of Jam and Lewis, reflecting on a lifetime of shaping modern R&B, pop, and hip-hop. The conversation details the guest's early musical education under a jazz-playing father and music-loving mother, playing drums professionally at age twelve, and the fateful 1973 meeting with Terry Lewis at a University of Minnesota summer program. The dialogue then explores their formative years with Prince, detailing the creation of the Time, the rigorous behind-the-scenes discipline, and the eventual firing over outside production work that ultimately launched their independent careers. The discussion highlights the duo's philosophy of creative independence, their commitment to crafting distinct sounds for every artist like Cheryl Lynn, Janet Jackson, and the Human League, and their perspective on the modern music industry and AI governance.
The episode opens with a series of commercial spots before the host introduces the show.
Jimmy Jam recounts his childhood rhythm obsession, family influence, and first professional gig with his dad.
Jimmy describes how he met future partner Terry Lewis in 1973 and the beginnings of their collaborative dynamic.
Jimmy reflects on his approach to songwriting, the balance between melody and funk, and lessons learned from working with legendary artists.
The duo navigates racial barriers in Minneapolis clubs and starts booking events to build a sustainable music business.
Jimmy and Terry relocate to LA, record demos on a four‑track, and begin establishing their presence in the recording industry.
The episode concludes with final thoughts from Jimmy Jam and a closing commercial segment.
The episode opens with a brief introduction followed by a series of promotional spots for Quo and Shopify, setting the stage for the interview.
The conversation turns to Prince, exploring his dual R&B and rock ambitions and the influence of George Clinton.
They discuss Prince’s approach to album covers and how he used visual elements to stand out in record stores.
The conversation shifts to Jimmy’s experience touring with Prince, working with The Time, and the creative process behind their hits.
Prince’s response to the band’s side projects is revealed, including his concerns about sound ownership and the eventual firing decision.
Musical Talent And Appreciation Rootsinsight
The guest explains how growing up with a piano-playing father provided musical talent, while the mother's record player provided musical appreciation.
First Professional Gig At Twelvestory
The guest recounts playing professional drums for four sets as a twelve-year-old when the regular band drummer was an hour late.
The Funky Bottom And Pretty Topinsight
The guest describes discovering their signature production style by combining sweet melodies and bells with heavy, funky basslines.
Fifty-Fifty Partnership Handshakestrategy
The duo agreed to a strict fifty-fifty split on all songwriting credits and creative output to eliminate internal disputes over contributions.
Building The Table In Minneapolisstory
Faced with local clubs refusing to hire black R&B bands while hiring white ones, the duo promoted their own dances in an abandoned hotel ballroom.
Igniting Janet Jackson's Control Erastrategy
The producers realized Janet's feisty television attitude was missing from her music and helped her take creative control starting with the album Control.
Fired By Prince And Freedstory
Prince fired the duo for producing outside acts like the SOS Band, which ultimately freed them to launch their own massively successful independent career.
“And when I say genius, uh, I, my, my son has a saying that genius isn't the idea, it's the execution of the idea.”
“He said, you know, you have to dress. He said, you don't dress up to go on stage. You dress, your dress is on stage, you're on stage 24 hours.”
“We always wanted to make the artist their own, where people would go, oh, that's their record made specifically for them.”
“If somebody's taking my image or taking my voice or taking something and just reimagining it on something new, they should have my permission to do that.”
“I just think that, um, so much of, um, so much of it is intentional, meaning that, so if somebody comes up to me and they say, hey, my daughter sings.”
“I love social media because the way I treat social media is, a lot of people will follow people they don't like, so they can talk about them.”
“I DM'd him about three years ago and I just said, I love all the records you're making. I love what you do.”
"He didn’t fire us. He freed us.” Billy Corgan welcomes legendary songwriter and producer Jimmy Jam to The Magnificent Others. Jimmy explains how he and Terry Lewis broke Prince’s rule against producing artists outside The Time and how getting fired opened the door to one of music’s most successful partnerships. Jimmy shares how he got his first professional gig at 12, filling in for a drummer in his father’s band—and how his mother made sure he was paid like a pro. He recalls meeting Terry as a teenager and bringing their different musical tastes together. With Janet Jackson, Jam and Lewis built Control around her experiences and attitude, helping her become an active voice in her music. Jimmy also explains how their “funky bottom, pretty top” sound evolved, why young artists need skills beyond singing and social media, and why AI should come with clear labeling, permission and compensation for creators. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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