‘Best in Show’ With Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson love soup, the outdoors, snow peas, and Christopher Guest’s 2000 comedy classic ‘Best in Show,’ with Eugene Levy, Catherine O’Hara, Parker Posey, Fred Willard, Jennifer Coolidge, Jane Lynch, John Michael Higgins, Michael McKean, and Michael Hitchcock. Subscribe to our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Video Producer: Chia Hao Tat, Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The House of R with Mallory and Joanna. You can also find us all together on the Prestige TV Podcast doing White Lotus. Yeah, that's right. Every week. It's probably my most fun hour of the week. Aww. We talked about, had a whole stunt penis conversation last time. That was just a delight.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  I'm having the time of my life. I dreamt of the hand gestures that Mallory. Made it during the last podcast.

• 1:56Bill Simmons?

  Well, Joanna's here. She's in LA for a few weeks. Which means we can stay over for the rewatchables every once in a while.

• 2:02Speaker 07

  Who had the over under at 45 second mark for Bill mentioning that Joe is in LA?

• 2:06Bill Simmons?

  I just mentioned she's here. And I sent her a li- I sent her, make a list of rewatchables movies. And she mentioned a few of them, one of them, which is Best in Show, Best in Show, a movie that, uh, we all dearly, dearly love.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Well, because we're doing White Lotus together, we might as well do Best in Show, which has a couple White Lotus stars in it.

• 2:24Speaker 07

  And 25 year anniversary, right?

• 2:26Bill Simmons?

  Is that this year?

• 2:27Speaker 07

  The movie came out in 2000. Look at that.

• 2:29Bill Simmons?

  Great point.

• 2:29Speaker 07

  Wonderful stuff.

• 2:30Bill Simmons?

  Coming up next.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  That goal is that Best in Show ribbon. Actually, poodle means puddle in German. You want your busy bee?

• 2:42Speaker 00

  Come get your busy bee. God, hell with it. If she gets to get it, she's gonna flip out. It's not in here. You left it at the hotel. Go to the hotel and get busy bee. That's my favorite, the miniature schnauzer. You'd think they'd wanna breed them bigger, wouldn't you, like grapefruits or watermelons? Don't look at the fat head losers or freaks. You look at me.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  He went after her like she's made out of ham.

• 3:25Bill Simmons?

  All right. So I don't know what it says that we've done two rewatchables with Joanna and they've been Crash and Best in Show.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  That sounds, that's my brain, I think. Sounds right to me.

• 3:33Bill Simmons?

  Okay. Then we've gotta go like some sort of sci fi or, or Marvel or something for the next one.

• 3:37Speaker 07

  Then you would have to watch a sci fi or Marvel movie.

• 3:40Bill Simmons?

  I really liked Iron Man.

• 3:41Speaker 07

  You already did that one.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  You did.

• 3:43Bill Simmons?

  The Mockumentary. The three best mockumentary movies of all time.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  No, we're using Species.

• 3:49Speaker 07

  Sheesh.

• 3:49Bill Simmons?

  What do you mean? Oh, Species.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Species.

• 3:51Bill Simmons?

  The mockumentary, Spinal Tap, Best in Show and Borat are, have to be in the Mount Rushmore if you're doing it. I think those three have to be in, and then the fourth one is kind of open depending.

• 4:01Speaker 07

  Well, are you keeping it to movies only? Because otherwise, obviously, it would be The Office.

• 4:05Bill Simmons?

  No, movies only.

• 4:05Speaker 07

  Movies only, hmm.

• 4:07Bill Simmons?

  I think those three all have to be in.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  I think, I really like Waiting for Guffman and Almighty Winds.

• 4:13Bill Simmons?

  I would have Guffman as my fourth.

• 4:14Speaker 07

  I think so too.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  I would put Guffman in there.

• 4:15Bill Simmons?

  Some people would throw Popstar in there. Some people would do a little Bruno, but I would have Guffman as the fourth. But Best in Show.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:22Bill Simmons?

  Which came out in 2000, right around the time when things would come out and then immediately go on DVD. And you could watch them over and over again. And this movie you just jump into and it's great. And Mal?

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:34Bill Simmons?

  Dogs.

• 4:35Speaker 07

  I love an animal.

• 4:35Bill Simmons?

  On top of the comedy, dogs. Lots of different dogs.

• 4:38Speaker 07

  Here's some things I love. I love to laugh.

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:40Speaker 07

  I love cinema and I, I love an animal. It just absolutely has it all. Wonderful.

• 4:45Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna do this later, but what, what's, what's your favorite dog? Out of all the dogs? I'm ready to do this now and just completely blow up the structure of the pod.

• 4:54Speaker 07

  Great. Let's, let's go Rogue. I really am fond of Winky. It's hard not to be fond of Winky. I love a terrier. But I feel the pull of Hubert.

• 5:04Bill Simmons?

  Winky was a Norwich Terrier, just for the.

• 5:07Speaker 07

  Yeah. You're gonna go deep into dog breed expertise?

• 5:10Bill Simmons?

  Short legs, it looks kind of like a hedgehog.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Honestly, this is like, of the like, star dogs in this.

• 5:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 5:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  It's really between Hubert and Winky, right?

• 5:19Bill Simmons?

  That's how I feel.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  If you don't want a Shih Tzu.

• 5:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  You don't want Rapsody.

• 5:23Speaker 07

  Rapsody is frankly the villain in the movie.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. And you don't want Beatrice.

• 5:28Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 5:29Speaker 07

  I feel tenderly toward Beatrice and I think that none of this is Beatrice's fault. It's all, obviously, the swans. The two best characters in the history of film.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  But do you think Beatrice landed?

• 5:40Speaker 07

  At a like a better home. Yeah, that was one of my my unanswerable questions for later. I I'm like, what is the rest of Beatrice's life?

• 5:47Bill Simmons?

  You don't think they took her to ride on a farm?

• 5:49Speaker 07

  No.

• 5:50Bill Simmons?

  One way drive?

• 5:52Speaker 07

  No.

• 5:54Bill Simmons?

  That's what my parents did when I was six.

• 5:56Speaker 07

  Did they?

• 5:56Bill Simmons?

  Got a dog named Barney. That was just the meanest, angriest puppy.

• 5:59Speaker 07

  No.

• 6:00Bill Simmons?

  And then one day they're like, we have to bring Barney to see his parents in the farm. Never came back.

• 6:04Speaker 07

  Barney found a good home. I can't believe they actually used the farm line on you.

• 6:08Bill Simmons?

  I was like, oh, man.

• 6:09Speaker 07

  No. When did you find out?

• 6:10Bill Simmons?

  Is he happier on the farm? They told me when I was like sixteen.

• 6:13Speaker 07

  And you're like, wow.

• 6:14Bill Simmons?

  We took Barney back and they probably put him down because he was an absolute sociopath.

• 6:17Speaker 07

  I thought we were here to laugh today. Fuck, this is horrible.

• 6:22Bill Simmons?

  Sorry. My answer is Hubert the Bloodhound.

• 6:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's great.

• 6:27Bill Simmons?

  Every time I watch this movie, it makes me want to have a bloodhound. And I guess they drool.

• 6:31Speaker 07

  A lot of drool, Slaver puss, as they call him in the film.

• 6:34Bill Simmons?

  And they're kind of put on earth to do certain things than they're not to live in L.A. And just be in somebody's house would be a waste of a bloodhound.

• 6:40Speaker 07

  You would have to move to Pine Nut, North Carolina. That's true.

• 6:43Bill Simmons?

  My wife is a big play with the dog's ears person. And the bloodhound, it's like, that's the number one set of ears you would get to play with.

• 6:50Speaker 07

  Yes, absolutely. Since I am more of a cat person than I am a dog person, I like a small dog that sort of acts kind of cat like. But there is something even said for a huge dog that like, instead of petting them, you like pat them.

• 7:00Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 7:01Speaker 07

  And that's that's what they do for for Hubert in this. It's a lot of like, heavy patting on the dog and the dog seems to love it.

• 7:06Bill Simmons?

  Good personality. He's just mellow. His face squishes.

• 7:10Speaker 07

  I love when Harland's moving his face around. That could be good shot. Gordo, his little face wrinkles. He can say macadamia nut.

• 7:17Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 7:17Speaker 07

  Exactly. He can communicate telepathically. That is the most scene I've ever felt in a film when Harland Pepper is just like, yeah, my dog can talk.

• 7:27Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 7:28Speaker 07

  Like, we have a conversation. Of course, we have conversations.

• 7:31Bill Simmons?

  He understands.

• 7:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, he understands. He can communicate. He's trying to convey a deep, meaningful truth. That's how I feel about my cat Halo. That's how you feel about your cat Bug? It's true. How do you feel about all your dogs? Do you talk to your dogs? You you talk to Murph, for sure.

• 7:48Bill Simmons?

  One of the things I like about this movie is it's pretty early on. Pet people are great and weird. The internet was in the early stages. It was one of those things, like especially so with my dad and my stepmother. My stepmother, they were getting golden retrievers since the mid eighties. They gave them human names. They treated them like kids. They had birthday parties for them, all the stuff Mallory does.

• 8:10Bill Simmons?

  They just got a new puppy and had to have an IE human name because that's what the other seven golden retrievers they've had over forty years have. And my stepmother's just super weird, like she's.

• 8:19Speaker 07

  None of that sounds weird to me at all.

• 8:21Bill Simmons?

  Makes out with the dogs. You know, not make out, but like the dogs just licking your face.

• 8:26Speaker 07

  What about clothing for the dog?

• 8:28Bill Simmons?

  No, that's, that's the only thing they don't do.

• 8:30Speaker 07

  They don't do that, even for like warmth out in the winter?

• 8:33Bill Simmons?

  They just kind of, they morph into dogs. And I was always like, man, my stepmother, I love her, but she's really weird with the dogs.

• 8:38Speaker 07

  But now you do that.

• 8:39Bill Simmons?

  You see a movie like this and you're like, yeah, a lot of weirdos.

• 8:42Speaker 07

  You maintain an Instagram in the voice of your dog.

• 8:46Bill Simmons?

  Murph, yeah. He's become a threat. Well, he's hilarious.

• 8:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, I agree.

• 8:52Bill Simmons?

  He's got a lot of comedy in that dog.

• 8:53Speaker 07

  What about, what about people who have like one breed of dog that they love? And all the decor in their house? I knew a Scotty dog person. I mean, this is sort of winky. Where everything was Scotty dog. They have the winky mailbox, they've got all the terriers. He's got Winky on his hat, which like, that's a great hat.

• 9:09Bill Simmons?

  But you've never, you've never dogged it up though?

• 9:11Speaker 07

  Uh, we had a dog briefly when I was like very young. Um, but yeah, I love all animals. I'm not like a dog versus cat, but I am a, I am a cat lover. I've had two cats in my life.

• 9:24Bill Simmons?

  But you're a one relationship with a pet.

• 9:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, I give all I have to give. As you guys know, I have nothing left for anyone else in my life, including my husband. It all goes to Halo.

• 9:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 07

  That's it. You guys get a little bit, Adam's got nothing.

• 9:35Bill Simmons?

  We've actually had ringer, high level conversations without Mal and them. Strategy planning for if anything ever happened to Halo. What, what would happen to Mal? Like just what would happen? And we honestly don't know and she doesn't know either.

• 9:48Speaker 07

  I don't, I don't ever want to know. I hope to never find out. I don't ever want to know.

• 9:53Bill Simmons?

  How old's Halo now, sixteen?

• 9:54Speaker 07

  He's fifteen and a half and he is thriving. We were, we were a cat family growing up, but when I went to college, my parents bought a dog to like replace me, right? And it was a show dog, a Portuguese water dog, show dog.

• 10:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh my God.

• 10:07Speaker 07

  My mom became like a show dog person. Whoa, like a handler? Yeah.

• 10:13Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 07

  I did not know that you were gonna have this level of perspective to bring today.

• 10:17Speaker 03

  Not as a career, but like, she handled the family's dog. Yeah, the Portuguese water dog, yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 07

  I don't know what a Portuguese water dog is, do you?

• 10:25Speaker 03

  They're like a heartier poodle.

• 10:26Bill Simmons?

  Look at them. Yeah, they're, they're.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Barack Obama had, the Obamas had a, had water dogs, yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 07

  How wonderful.

• 10:32Bill Simmons?

  The one, um.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Well, I mean.

• 10:34Speaker 07

  Not the replacing part.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Not the like, we got, bye, we got a dog, you know?

• 10:38Bill Simmons?

  The one I've always been fascinated by that's always in the dog shows is the Border Collie.

• 10:42Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 10:42Bill Simmons?

  Who, which I'm really surprised they didn't have one in Best of Show.

• 10:46Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:46Bill Simmons?

  Best in, I keep calling it Best of Show for some reason. Uh, Best in Show.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Because of all the commands that they can.

• 10:53Bill Simmons?

  Show too. Uh, Best in Show because.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Because of all the commands that a Border Collie can do.

• 10:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:58Bill Simmons?

  They're super smart and they're pretty hyper. And we looked into getting one once and, uh, it just.

• 11:04Speaker 07

  They are cute.

• 11:05Bill Simmons?

  It, it, it's a lot. Like, they, they're ready to go.

• 11:09Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:09Bill Simmons?

  They're ready to like, yo, let's go outside. You gotta throw me a ball for like an hour.

• 11:13Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 11:14Bill Simmons?

  Let's do this. So that's why I think a lot of them go in. But anyway.

• 11:16Speaker 07

  You know what a cat does? It's like, you're reading a book, let me sit in your lap.

• 11:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Oh, no. The cat goes, I might sit in your lap.

• 11:23Speaker 07

  No. No.

• 11:25Bill Simmons?

  I might.

• 11:25Speaker 07

  You will earn that love and it will be the most rewarding thing.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  Some cats don't wanna sit in your lap.

• 11:31Speaker 07

  Sure. They're discerning.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:33Speaker 07

  It makes it feel all the better.

• 11:35Bill Simmons?

  Dogs are.

• 11:35Speaker 07

  When you establish a bond.

• 11:36Bill Simmons?

  Dogs have low self-esteem and they just wanna know what you're doing at all times. They're just available.

• 11:41Speaker 07

  And they're like, can we do it with you?

• 11:42Bill Simmons?

  Cats are like, you're on my terms and I'll decide when, how this relationship's gonna go.

• 11:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.

• 11:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, anyway, the mockumentary.

• 11:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:50Bill Simmons?

  Christopher Guest said, we did an oral history about Best in Show.

• 11:53Speaker 07

  I know, I read it. Really good.

• 11:55Bill Simmons?

  2020, which I don't remember, cause as you know, the vaccine, I don't remember anything from 2020.

• 11:59Speaker 07

  I know that this is the thing you've started saying on the podcast a lot.

• 12:01Bill Simmons?

  Don't remember it. Uh, don't remember anything that happened that year. But Christopher Guest said his mockumentary is about people who don't see themselves very clearly. The audience can see something happen that they don't see. They absolutely take what they do very seriously, whether it's folk music, dog show, whatever. The world is ripe. And at the core of all this, when you see characters Eugene and Catherine play, the Cookie and Jerry Fleck.

• 12:26Speaker 07

  Icons, yeah.

• 12:27Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty sad. You know, most of it's sad, actually, if you look at it. So he's fascinated and these people are kind of losers, but they're lovable. And there's a lot of comedy that could come out of this, and he did this for four movies.

• 12:39Speaker 07

  Their caricatures, their heightened versions of a thing that is true, right? Do you think Christopher Guest should make a movie about podcasters?

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:49Speaker 07

  That would be fucking great.

• 12:51Bill Simmons?

  There's too many of them. I think there's too many podcasters. The thing with the dog show world is it is such a limited weird world. And that, in the last 25 years, though, Westminster, I think, became a bigger cable outlet. And you watch and you're like, man, these people seem weird.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  But there's like specific strains of podcaster that would be really fun to sort of explore.

• 13:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  On a deeper level.

• 13:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, you could have like a guy, for example, called like-

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, the True Crime podcasters.

• 13:16Speaker 07

  The Sports Guy.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:20Bill Simmons?

  That'd be great.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Okay, should we make a podcast mockumentary?

• 13:24Speaker 07

  That'd be great.

• 13:25Bill Simmons?

  He also said, he talks about the connection he makes with music and improvising, because he was a big musician. I look at this as a band with great musicians. I mean, everyone has to be able to hold up their part. You cannot have a weak link in that, the whole thing falls apart. So he's really careful about who's in these movies. The sad thing for me is that there aren't more of them. And some of them have worked better than others, but I almost don't know why it ended.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Something that like Eugene Levy said in an interview is that, because he co-wrote this and the best stuff Eugene Levy also worked on. And he said, sort of, it felt rote to him after a while, like they had sort of done it. And he didn't want to wear it out, so he didn't want to do it anymore. But like, I feel like I would have a bottomless appetite for this. At the same time, I didn't think Mascots was great, you know? And For Your Consideration was okay.

• 14:18Bill Simmons?

  Wasn't. Maybe, so maybe it petered out.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  You know, so.

• 14:21Speaker 07

  I hope that they do feel like the moment arrives when they're ready to retire. Turn? It's one of those things where you crave more, you want more because you love the thing so much. But the logical part of your brain kind of acknowledges that there's, there's value in discretion.

• 14:35Bill Simmons?

  Can I give you another theory?

• 14:36Speaker 07

  Let's do it.

• 14:37Bill Simmons?

  I think Larry David and Christopher Guest were more on each other's corner than people realized. And Curb kind of became the TV outlet of this kind of stuff. And it was more built around Larry's universe.

• 14:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:48Bill Simmons?

  But all the characters and the way they structured that show, the outline was a little deeper. But it was a lot of improv and it was a lot of people like, you're in this situation, this happens. And a lot of the recurring characters, like Richard Lewis.

• 15:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:00Bill Simmons?

  Was basically the Eugene Levy, right? Jeff Garland is.

• 15:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:04Bill Simmons?

  Whoever, and so he would have his eight to 10 people. Year after year, and then JB Smoove entered the cast and I just feel like that was kind of the cousin of this, of this movie.

• 15:13Speaker 07

  Curb is a good point, but as Mal mentioned, there's the office, both the UK version, the American version and like Parks and Recreation. Like the whole like Sherverse, Greg Daniels, like all that sort of stuff bites off of this a bit as well. And the British office was just a year after. Yeah. Best in show, right? So then it became like the way that people were making the things that became the monoculture.

• 15:33Bill Simmons?

  But when they did the office, like they had a 16 page outline for this movie and then they just kind of went nuts with it. Like they didn't, they don't do TV shows like that.

• 15:40Speaker 07

  My favorite thing that I learned from the, the great Ringer oral history that came out in 2028, a year that I do remember despite having the vaccine.

• 15:48Bill Simmons?

  I don't remember.

• 15:51Bill Simmons?

  Was I in LA that year? I don't remember. What happened?

• 15:53Speaker 07

  The, um, this was like, uh, two things I want to say. One is that this was probably Fred Willard's last interview he ever gave before he died. And so there's like a lot of tribute to Fred Willard inside of that oral history that's really, because he had like just passed away. When it was published, but also, um, the process that you learn about how. Christopher Guest does this, that they shoot it, shot it in 25 days and then he edits it for a year. Yeah.

• 16:22Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 16:22Speaker 07

  60 hours, right? That's amazing. That's incredible.

• 16:26Bill Simmons?

  Even beyond how he, they write down every single scene and every single bit and they put it all structurally and then they just start chipping away at it.

• 16:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:34Bill Simmons?

  Like it's a jigsaw puzzle.

• 16:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:35Bill Simmons?

  It's really interesting.

• 16:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:37Bill Simmons?

  And they, they know they're gonna have to lose a lot of good stuff.

• 16:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:40Bill Simmons?

  It's the opposite of our strategy where we just have long podcasts and we don't edit anything.

• 16:45Speaker 07

  Is that a shot at House of Art?

• 16:47Bill Simmons?

  It's a shot at all of our pods, including this one. We don't do any editing. Christopher Guest slaving away for a year to get a 90 minute movie and it probably could have been, like, there's this whole, there's a whole Parker Posey, just get stoned.

• 17:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, the pills and the weed. I kinda want that cut, honestly. And there's, you have, you have it on DVD. Are there like a lot of good outtakes that are on this?

• 17:08Bill Simmons?

  There's not.

• 17:09Speaker 07

  No. I feel like he, and I don't know this to be true, but what I've deduced is that he's maybe a like, we do it all. Yeah. We get the 60 hours, the however long, we spend the eight months.

• 17:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 07

  And then the, we have whittled the marble into its perfect form. And you don't get to see the dust, the marble dust.

• 17:25Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of, there's a lot of movie makers who have this philosophy. That they, they're like, look, this is the finished product. If I offer you stuff we didn't decide should be in the movie, it's gonna taint how you see the movie.

• 17:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:39Bill Simmons?

  And there's a reason it's not in the movie.

• 17:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:40Bill Simmons?

  So just watch this.

• 17:41Speaker 07

  What do you think of that compared to like the Ridley Scott, here's my director's cut approach?

• 17:45Bill Simmons?

  As you know, my theory is 99% of the time, scenes are deleted for a reason.

• 17:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:49Bill Simmons?

  Very rarely do you get like the Boogie Night situation where there's like six or seven like awesome, awesome deleted scenes where you're like, oh, fuck.

• 17:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:57Bill Simmons?

  That would have been awesome if that was in the movie. I think the better the filmmaker is, probably the better their content is. Stuff like this, I'm sure they have another three hours. There was an alternate Anchorman movie.

• 18:09Bill Simmons?

  I think Anchorman 2, there was a whole entire alternate movie of all the takes they had that you can buy, that when you get the DVD, there's a second version of it. So.

• 18:18Speaker 07

  Do you have, is there a like, a director's cut that you? Do swear by?

• 18:23Bill Simmons?

  There's a couple of ones.

• 18:25Speaker 07

  Blade Runner.

• 18:27Bill Simmons?

  Boogie Nights is is probably the the standard for me.

• 18:30Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 18:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. There's some good, like, there there was some interesting pulp fiction. Stuff that they cut.

• 18:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 18:36Bill Simmons?

  Wasn't mastered the same way, but um. You know, but for the most part, it's deleted for a reason. Comedies, you'll see like the outtakes are really funny, like they'll have those like Tommy Boy is really good outtakes. Their movies, they they're not necessarily deleted scenes, but they're hilarious.

• 18:49Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, when they're cracking each other up. Yeah.

• 18:51Bill Simmons?

  And I think this had a lot of that, too.

• 18:53Speaker 07

  Oh, I'm sure. Oh, my god. Can only imagine.

• 18:56Bill Simmons?

  Guest said he got the idea because he was walking his dog near his house. And it was a rescue dog, and he said, a woman with a pure breed of some sort came up to me and said in a fashion, what is that? And he said, it's my dog. He's a mix of this and that. And her expression was one of. Not even that's not acceptable. Basically, that's an awful thing to have happened in the world. I was struck by how bizarre it was. And there we go. Like the the the kind of superiority of the pure breed people.

• 19:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, the elitist. Yeah, of course.

• 19:24Bill Simmons?

  And then he just became fascinated by the dog show world, and we were off.

• 19:28Speaker 07

  I I I love to adopt. I believe in adopting. We adopted Halo. We rescued him. What I I do always think, though, that like it can stray into blaming the animal for a thing that is not the animal's fault.

• 19:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 07

  But the people, it's it's obviously a very rich satirical text here to mine.

• 19:45Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. We we we had two rescues in a row, and then Murph was.

• 19:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:49Bill Simmons?

  We got from somebody.

• 19:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:51Bill Simmons?

  Because I was tired of the body language.

• 19:52Speaker 07

  And he's definitely, he's definitely the best behaved of all dogs.

• 19:55Bill Simmons?

  And he turned out to be worse behaved than both rescue dogs.

• 19:57Speaker 07

  My parents also bred uh the dog, and they had like puppies. Yeah, the dog that replaced me also, they like did puppies and sold them and stuff like that.

• 20:08Bill Simmons?

  So Levy said, much wider appeal for this movie than the other ones they did, because, quote, people just love dogs. Which makes me wonder, like, because we were always talking about should we have a dog month on the rewatchables? There's just not enough dog movies. You'd have to go into the Marley and Me like kind of area.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Must have dogs.

• 20:25Bill Simmons?

  But it feels like there should be one that comes out every year.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  All of the Air Bud, uh, the Air Bud, uh, you know, complete works.

• 20:31Bill Simmons?

  Dog's Purpose is, is big. Simmons family has a lot of fans.

• 20:35Speaker 07

  When you made me watch the, the art of racing in the rain?

• 20:38Bill Simmons?

  Another good one.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 07

  You were like, you have to watch this tonight because it's going to come up on rewatchables tomorrow. I believe it was when we were doing draft day and then it did not come up.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Homer, Homer Bound, The Incredible Journey?

• 20:48Speaker 07

  Oh, I used to watch Homer Bound like every.

• 20:50Bill Simmons?

  The one with Paul Walker is good. Is it Snow Dogs?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Snow Dogs.

• 20:53Bill Simmons?

  One of those. That one's good.

• 20:54Speaker 07

  I have not seen that. Is it worth checking out?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:57Bill Simmons?

  It's weird that Netflix's algorithm hasn't discovered this yet, that people just like dogs.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Man.

• 21:01Bill Simmons?

  They're gonna go on a huge dog run at some point.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Somebody is being served a dog's, uh, bar.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  Eight Below is the, is the Paul Walker.

• 21:08Bill Simmons?

  Eight Below's.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  But, but Snow Dogs is Cuba Gooding. That one was good too.

• 21:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that one's good too. See? A lot of good dog movies.

• 21:13Speaker 07

  Well, you can definitely do a month on the rewatchables, even though you're doing Best in Show right now. Look at that. Great news.

• 21:18Bill Simmons?

  This is your favorite one of all the Chris guests?

• 21:20Speaker 07

  Not even close. This is my favorite comedy, period.

• 21:23Bill Simmons?

  What's your?

• 21:23Speaker 07

  This is one of my five favorite movies of all time.

• 21:26Bill Simmons?

  What is your single favorite thing about it?

• 21:30Speaker 07

  Like a moment?

• 21:31Bill Simmons?

  Just everything. Like, your single favorite thing about Best in Show?

• 21:35Speaker 07

  My favorite thing about it is the absurdity, like that heightened quality of capturing something that seems simultaneously impossible and yet really true to a certain type of life. And that is Christopher Guest's genius, obviously. If you made me drill down beyond it, I would say, so I, I, my dad loves Christopher Guest. Like Christopher Guest bought Dylan, Dylan impression is probably my dad's like platonic ideal of comedy. We saw this together. We watched all of the Christopher Guest movies together. I don't know that the Rubin household has laughed in a heartier and more fervent fashion than watching Cookie Fleck.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Try to walk.

• 22:14Speaker 07

  Try to walk.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  The limp?

• 22:17Speaker 07

  It might be the hardest I have ever.

• 22:20Bill Simmons?

  I don't know how she done it. It's one of the great athletic feats.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  She said it's something her, like, dad used to do.

• 22:25Speaker 07

  It's like a funny Walker dad used to do and they all learned how to do it as kids. It just kills me. Yeah. And it's, I mean, Busy Bee is a close second. Like Busy Bee is just a recurring bit of comedy in our house after the movie. I, I, I just, I love it. I love it.

• 22:39Bill Simmons?

  What would be your number one favorite thing about this movie?

• 22:41Speaker 07

  Um, this is not my favorite Christopher Guest movies. Spinal Tap? Waiting for Guffman is my favorite, just because I did a lot of theater.

• 22:48Bill Simmons?

  I really like Guffman too.

• 22:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:49Bill Simmons?

  Plus it was first and it was so original.

• 22:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:52Speaker 07

  Um, my favorite thing about this is I like that it's as much a relationship movie as it is. Yeah. You know, because we're like checking in, all these people are like, are they going to be okay?

• 23:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 23:03Speaker 07

  After all this, after everything that happens here, is everything going to be okay? Totally. And it is surprising. What about you? What's your favorite thing?

• 23:10Bill Simmons?

  I have two.

• 23:10Speaker 07

  Scott?

• 23:11Bill Simmons?

  I think Higgins and McKean are the, I, I can't believe how much joy I get from every moment.

• 23:17Speaker 07

  Higgins is so good.

• 23:19Bill Simmons?

  If you only saw this movie and you knew nothing, you would think Higgins went on to be one of the biggest stars in the entire world.

• 23:24Speaker 07

  I know.

• 23:25Bill Simmons?

  Like he's like, oh, this guy was on SNL for nine years, right? It's like, no, not really. He played David Letterman in a movie, did some other stuff and was a character actor.

• 23:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:33Bill Simmons?

  He's so.

• 23:34Speaker 07

  He's unbelievable.

• 23:34Bill Simmons?

  Every single split second he's in, he's just like alive and those guys are so good together. McKean had some quote, like, they figured out, like, he was the string and Higgins was the balloon.

• 23:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:47Bill Simmons?

  And that's how they kind of did it. And it was like, that's perfect.

• 23:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:50Bill Simmons?

  So that, and then Fred Willard is just so fucking funny. Like you can watch this movie 20 times and he, like, I caught this one.

• 23:56Speaker 07

  He might be my favorite thing, actually. It's hard to pick.

• 23:59Bill Simmons?

  When Cookie's out there and he's like, she looks familiar. Like he's just got, he's just sliding stuff.

• 24:03Speaker 07

  Single best recurring through line of the movie. That was the, that was the.

• 24:06Bill Simmons?

  That's the other thing that kills me.

• 24:07Speaker 07

  It's so good. That was the other thing that I thought was so impressive when I read that Ringer post was that they were looking at nothing when they were doing all of that commentary, that they recorded all the commentary stuff in one day. Yeah.

• 24:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 07

  And that the, the whole arena was empty and it was just Christopher Guest describing what they would be looking at at any given moment.

• 24:28Bill Simmons?

  And then, so we should talk about that because the English guy was like the straight man that they told him.

• 24:34Speaker 07

  I love him.

• 24:34Bill Simmons?

  Study as much dog stuff as possible.

• 24:36Speaker 07

  Trevor. Jim Peddic as the straight man.

• 24:39Bill Simmons?

  Who was only there for one day for the shoot. He had to like film everything in eight hours.

• 24:43Speaker 07

  Fred Willard is amazing, but rewatching it, I was just like, I was watching Jim the whole time because it was just like, his just micro escalation of frustration and annoyance masked in like British politeness.

• 24:59Speaker 07

  And like the cameras on, so I have to behave sort of thing. I thought was incredible.

• 25:03Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's the highlight of Fred's career and he had a really fun career, but I think this would be the first thing.

• 25:08Speaker 07

  So good. I mean, he was parroting this parody on The Bachelor.

• 25:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 07

  You know, until months before his death. Like this is just such an iconic, I, I don't know if this is true, but I feel like if you asked a hundred people, what's your favorite part of Best in Show? The majority of them would say Fred Willard. Probably. Like that's like the, right. That emerged and transcended the movie in a way.

• 25:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 25:30Speaker 07

  And it's, when did, when did Dodgeball come out? Just like a couple of years later? Yeah, just like, like, so just like thinking about the, the, the color commentary comedy bit in both of those movies, I think really had a lot of mileage.

• 25:43Bill Simmons?

  Also, it made more sense in 2000 because there really were announcers, like at least in the vicinity of this guy, like doing baseball games and.

• 25:51Speaker 07

  No question.

• 25:52Bill Simmons?

  Football games where you're just like, man, is this guy drunk? What's happening to this guy?

• 25:55Speaker 07

  Good way to judge a woman. Have her run away. He's like, I'm used to, I'm more used to them running away.

• 26:05Bill Simmons?

  The.

• 26:06Speaker 07

  Oh, God.

• 26:08Bill Simmons?

  The Chris Guest Collection.

• 26:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:11Bill Simmons?

  Which is all these movies, but I went back with him. I didn't really know him until, um, I, I didn't see Spinal Tap till high school. But the first time I saw him was he was on SNL for a year with Martin Short and Billy Crystal. And he was in, when they loaded the cast, they did like the Yankees.

• 26:26Speaker 07

  Murderers Row.

• 26:27Bill Simmons?

  And he did, um, his two best things was he was on Jackie Rogers Jr., $100,000 jackpot watch and played Rahib. Which was like just this crazy character that was hilarious, but then they did the one that synchronized swimmers with him and Martin Short.

• 26:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:42Bill Simmons?

  That was basically

• 26:43Speaker 07

  That's a classic.

• 26:44Bill Simmons?

  A short version of one of these movies where it was like these two male synchronized swimmers, but Martin Short wasn't a strong swimmer and he had to wear a life vest and they were doing the routines and it was just like, I'd never seen anything like that. So then Spinal Tap was a big eighties high school movie.

• 26:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:59Bill Simmons?

  And it was one of those that nobody saw that in the theater. It was like a belated on cable. It was like, what's this? And it just all of a sudden became a classic.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  That's a movie that I was quoting for years before I saw it, you know what I mean? Like it was just in the water. Like a proto meme. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Same. And, and of course Princess Bride, he kills in Princess Bride.

• 27:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. But then McKean ended up on SNL but replaced in Phil Hartman and it didn't, it just wasn't good. I don't know what it was.

• 27:27Speaker 07

  It wasn't the right fit for him.

• 27:28Bill Simmons?

  Just wasn't the right thing for him. Yeah. So then this is a big comeback for him. Uh, movie was written by Gustin Levy as be, as Levy, as we mentioned, 10.8 million budget made 20 million. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars.

• 27:41Speaker 07

  Come on, Rog. Rog. What the fuck, man?

• 27:44Bill Simmons?

  A wickedly funny mockumentary. He did say that.

• 27:46Speaker 07

  Not enough character?

• 27:48Bill Simmons?

  Built around the improvisational.

• 27:49Speaker 07

  Well, not every movie can be Crash, Robert, Roger Ebert's favorite movie of that year.

• 27:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he did.

• 27:54Speaker 07

  It was his favorite movie of that year, is what he said.

• 27:57Bill Simmons?

  He did say the movie is consistently just plain funny and sometimes descends to a kind of crazed genius.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  Agreed. I would say the whole entire thing, all 90 minutes, crazed genius.

• 28:07Bill Simmons?

  To me, this was a four star. This is a four star. Like the first time I saw it, I was like, this movie's in my life now.

• 28:12Speaker 07

  No question.

• 28:13Bill Simmons?

  It was an immediate DVD purchase.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 28:16Bill Simmons?

  I hadn't seen it for a couple of years and I just, I watched it twice in the last week and I was just fucking laughing and I was laughing at different things during the two viewings. That was what was surprising, anyway.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  It's a tough one for rewatchables because every single scene is rewatchable.

• 28:31Bill Simmons?

  I know. Let's, we'll take a break and then we're gonna do rewatchable scenes.

• 28:34Speaker 04

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• 29:06Speaker 05

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• 29:35Bill Simmons?

  This is tough.

• 29:36Speaker 07

  Really hard.

• 29:37Bill Simmons?

  I think I structured this correctly, but I also have too many already.

• 29:39Speaker 07

  This is actually, this is the only thing that's easy for me, actually.

• 29:42Bill Simmons?

  The rewatchable scenes?

• 29:44Speaker 07

  You didn't write down every single scene? I started to be more disciplined as I got further into the film.

• 29:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, so, we'll start here.

• 29:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:50Bill Simmons?

  The opening meet and greet, because we get Hamilton and Megan Therapy, but then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.

• 29:56Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 29:56Bill Simmons?

  So I'm gonna combine those two.

• 29:58Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  And got myself in a position that wasn't very easy for me emotionally. It's called the Congress of the Cow, where the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor, and the man is behind.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  What did she do when she saw you?

• 30:19Bill Simmons?

  She just stood there staring at us. She didn't say anything, didn't say a word. She was doing the Congress of the Cow?

• 30:26Speaker 07

  Congress of the Cow.

• 30:27Bill Simmons?

  From the dog's side?

• 30:28Speaker 07

  Got myself in a position that wasn't very easy for me emotionally. It's called the Congress of the Cow.

• 30:32Bill Simmons?

  Did you look up the Congress of the Cow?

• 30:33Speaker 07

  Not in my work computer.

• 30:34Bill Simmons?

  Okay, but you did look it up.

• 30:36Speaker 07

  She actually, she describes it. Where the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor. And the man is behind. Um, I will just say right now, I don't know if I'm picking it for most rewatchable scene. I think this is in the running for best opening scene of a movie ever.

• 30:52Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty, well, the belated shot to the dog.

• 30:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, you think they're talking, even though you know the movie's about dogs, you think they're talking about a human child who has seen and been scarred by watching them have sex. And then they pan to their sad dog on her chaise. Yeah. At therapy.

• 31:08Bill Simmons?

  Super comfortable. Wine, wine, wine.

• 31:10Speaker 07

  It's incredible.

• 31:11Bill Simmons?

  Wine murmur?

• 31:12Speaker 07

  I don't know how to pronounce that. Wine murmur? Even though they say it multiple times in the movie.

• 31:15Bill Simmons?

  Never really liked those dogs. Never.

• 31:16Speaker 07

  Poor Beatrice.

• 31:17Bill Simmons?

  But then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.

• 31:19Speaker 07

  This is iconic.

• 31:20Bill Simmons?

  Who was very popular back then. Dozens of boyfriends.

• 31:22Speaker 07

  Hundreds.

• 31:23Bill Simmons?

  No, hundreds.

• 31:24Speaker 07

  Hundreds, yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  She was very popular back then. She had dozens of boyfriends. Hundreds.

• 31:32Speaker 05

  Hundreds. Yeah, hundreds. I did not know that.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  Hundreds.

• 31:40Speaker 05

  Well, not that, not that, not that I didn't have a reputation myself, uh, because, you know, I was, uh, considered, uh, you know, by some, uh, to, to be quite the Casanova myself. Back at, uh, Ponce de Leon Junior.

• 31:54Speaker 07

  Hundreds. It's the pan down to the two left feet.

• 31:57Bill Simmons?

  No, but you wait, though. I was considered to be quite the Casanova myself, and then cut to like the ugliest picture possible.

• 32:04Speaker 07

  With him, like, with the eyes crossed. Oh, my god. Great. He looks like Austin Powers in that picture.

• 32:08Bill Simmons?

  Two left feet, they used to call him Loopy. I don't know how you come up with two left feet. I don't know how much, how stoned do you need to be? Like, what?

• 32:16Speaker 07

  That's a great, that is actually a great one to drill down on in terms of their creative process. How much is structured and known in advance and how much is improv? Because like, you want to believe they know that because they're working toward Jerry. He's gonna have to be the handler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's gonna have to, he's gonna have to do that little loop to turn Winkie around at the end. They said that. But still. They said that they wrote complex backstories for all of them. So even though they're improvising this movie, they have like the full backstory. They knew exactly what it was like when Cookie and Bulge fucked on the roller coaster. They knew all of that. Bulge was the roller coaster.

• 32:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, girl.

• 32:54Speaker 07

  Cookie Googleman? I love working with you. Cookie Googleman?

• 32:59Bill Simmons?

  I have meeting Scott and Stefan and then right to Leslie and Sheri, where we get there in the grocery store, the meat market. Have one of those pepperoni sticks out. I just wanna hold it. He's just coming out of the gates on fire.

• 33:13Speaker 07

  You can take the membranes off.

• 33:15Bill Simmons?

  He was a wild man on campus on a Friday night. I'd have three Saturday nights and go home.

• 33:19Speaker 07

  And then the photo. Another flash to a great photo. Yeah. Sensational.

• 33:25Bill Simmons?

  I don't think there's a single second where they're not hilarious in this movie. Even when they're decorated their hotel room with the.

• 33:31Speaker 07

  When they brought their quilt.

• 33:33Bill Simmons?

  He's like quietly hammering a quilt into a hotel room wall.

• 33:36Speaker 07

  And he's got his little bleach tips and like a little ponytail in front.

• 33:39Bill Simmons?

  And he's doing like his.

• 33:40Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.

• 33:42Bill Simmons?

  But then we go right to Leslie Ward Cabot doing a Joe Biden impersonation next to Jennifer Coolidge.

• 33:48Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 33:50Bill Simmons?

  We could not talk or talk forever and still find things to not talk about.

• 33:55Speaker 07

  We both love soup.

• 33:56Bill Simmons?

  He eventually became blue in Old School. Three years later.

• 34:00Speaker 07

  This was a.

• 34:00Bill Simmons?

  What a run for him.

• 34:01Speaker 07

  This is a huge moment for Jennifer Coolidge comedian, right? Like because she had already done American Pie, but like this was a completely different mode and level for her. She's incredible in this.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  And everyone always says she was like during the SNL 50 stuff. I think she was one of the people that auditioned and didn't get it where they were like, ah, maybe, you know, she was close. We couldn't get there. She was definitely something. Everybody knew she was something. She knew everybody. She was friends with everybody. And then it just happened.

• 34:31Speaker 07

  I also love the like web of, you know, Christopher Guest has his stable of actors, but I like that he recruits from like, she does American Pie with Eugene Levy. And Eugene Levy's like, you gotta meet Jennifer Coolidge. You know what I mean? Yes, the degrees of separation collapse onto themselves at some point. And then we get to hear Sheri Ann say, uh, we love snow peas. What a fucking gift.

• 34:51Bill Simmons?

  Will you have me stop podcasting when I get to my Leslie Ward Cabot stage?

• 34:56Speaker 07

  No. No. No. I think honestly, I think by then, you have to like put the mouse.

• 35:03Speaker 07

  I think by then you'll just be able to beam a podcast into someone's mind. Yeah.

• 35:06Bill Simmons?

  That'd be great.

• 35:07Speaker 07

  For hours.

• 35:08Bill Simmons?

  That'd be cool.

• 35:08Speaker 07

  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

• 35:11Bill Simmons?

  I have, we meet Christie Cummings. She's just a handler.

• 35:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 35:15Bill Simmons?

  This is one of my favorite moments of the movie when she lays out the whole family dynamic. How she, she's the taskmaster like, taskmaster like her father.

• 35:24Speaker 07

  Oh my god.

• 35:25Bill Simmons?

  Her mom's the heart and soul and she was there with unconditional love until my mom committed suicide in 81.

• 35:30Speaker 07

  Worked for my family.

• 35:32Bill Simmons?

  Just an unbelievable, and then it just cuts to the next scene. Unbelievable. And the two of them together.

• 35:39Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 35:40Bill Simmons?

  Just great.

• 35:40Speaker 07

  Perfect.

• 35:41Bill Simmons?

  Like it almost could have been its own show.

• 35:43Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. That is-

• 35:45Bill Simmons?

  That could have been an NBC sitcom in like 2002.

• 35:47Speaker 07

  No question. The, the American bitch spinoff.

• 35:50Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 35:50Speaker 07

  I mean, running a publication together with Christie and Sherri Ann.

• 35:54Bill Simmons?

  That's where we hired Mal from. It was American bitch and Sports Illustrated.

• 35:58Speaker 07

  Exactly. It wasn't horse and house.

• 35:59Bill Simmons?

  It's her first job. Intern in America.

• 36:01Speaker 07

  One day. That's still the dream. That's still the dream. It is amazing now to like go back because Jane Lynch is such a

• 36:08Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 36:08Speaker 07

  indispensable part of our comedic fabric and like, this was early in the Jane Lynch experience.

• 36:13Bill Simmons?

  I never saw her before this movie.

• 36:14Speaker 07

  No, me neither.

• 36:15Bill Simmons?

  And she did stuff, I don't remember it. But then anytime I saw her after, I was like, Jane Lynch!

• 36:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, of course.

• 36:21Bill Simmons?

  Best in show. And then when Glee happened, it was not surprising.

• 36:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 36:27Bill Simmons?

  Well, Jerry and Cookie have dinner with their old boyfriend. I just gotta tell you guys, this is my pick for most rewatchable scene.

• 36:34Speaker 07

  Is it?

• 36:34Bill Simmons?

  It is.

• 36:35Speaker 07

  I think this is a really good pick.

• 36:36Bill Simmons?

  And here's why.

• 36:37Speaker 07

  This is what I, I don't like this sequence. I know.

• 36:41Bill Simmons?

  Can I make the case?

• 36:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, do it.

• 36:44Bill Simmons?

  Zack the son absolutely kills me.

• 36:46Speaker 07

  Oh, Zack's great.

• 36:47Bill Simmons?

  Playing with his parachuter, the, the guy openly flirting with her at the table while also talking about how he's the chief hostage negotiator.

• 36:55Speaker 07

  And head got stuck in the gargoyles.

• 36:57Bill Simmons?

  And then Eugene Levy getting mad and complimenting the wife on her beautiful luscious breasts or whatever.

• 37:01Speaker 07

  I forgot to compliment you on your luscious melon breasts tonight. How does this sound? My favorite part is that when she's like-

• 37:07Bill Simmons?

  She's kind of pleased.

• 37:08Speaker 07

  Thank you. Jerry.

• 37:10Bill Simmons?

  But when they end up, when they go outside and the kid's on the shed, it just kills me. And he starts doing his hostage negotiator. Please, honey, this is what I do. Don't be mad at him, please. I'll gouge your left eye out with my- My thumb, I shit you not, you freak. I'm gonna get down here right now. No, you're showing Trump. I'm gonna punch you in the eye till it turns to jelly. Get down here. Don't look at him in the eye. He challenges him. He doesn't like him. I'm gonna stab you with forks until you bleed. How about that?

• 37:35Speaker 03

  It doesn't surprise me, Mallory, that this is one of your favorite.

• 37:38Speaker 07

  It's not my pick, but I do, I do love.

• 37:40Bill Simmons?

  This is my pick. I love the kid on the ship.

• 37:42Speaker 07

  I love Max and Cookie. I think my, again, like, there's just the through line of Cookie's exes being so brazen with Jerry standing right there. Like, obviously, Max is the pinnacle of that.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  No, but the other, I like, I think I prefer the other ones who just, like, randomly come across them in the wild.

• 37:59Speaker 07

  Showing up at the, at the party is just like.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  Or in the recording studio at the end. Like, all of that stuff is really good.

• 38:05Speaker 07

  Great stuff.

• 38:06Bill Simmons?

  I will stab you with forks until you bleed. How about that?

• 38:10Bill Simmons?

  Do you have any other rewatchables before we get to the pre-show party?

• 38:13Speaker 03

  My number one is.

• 38:14Bill Simmons?

  No, I have, I have a bunch more, just in the sequencing.

• 38:16Speaker 07

  Yes. Couple more, couple more that we've passed in the chronology of the film already.

• 38:20Bill Simmons?

  Well, we can go back after. The pre-show party.

• 38:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:23Bill Simmons?

  There's a butch ice sculpture.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. The party's over when it melts.

• 38:27Bill Simmons?

  Someone recognizes Cookie.

• 38:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's our pod counter.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Should we do a ringer, a ringer party?

• 38:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  And do an ice sculpture, and when it melts, the party's over?

• 38:35Bill Simmons?

  We had an ice luge at the 2016 Ringer Christmas party.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Did you?

• 38:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, back when you still have parties.

• 38:41Speaker 07

  Boy, yeah. What a night that was.

• 38:43Bill Simmons?

  The mint julep, you were working as a waitress there. You were the best.

• 38:46Speaker 07

  Yeah. You know, I banged a lot of waitresses.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  That was, that is so good.

• 38:51Bill Simmons?

  You were the best.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  I banged a lot of.

• 38:53Bill Simmons?

  But she's kind of a joyer, so you don't forget the best.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, you don't forget the best.

• 38:56Speaker 07

  Absolutely incredible. But I love how she always keeps apologizing to Jerry, you know? Like, earlier when they went to the Burmese, she's like, who's my future? Who's my future?

• 39:04Bill Simmons?

  I'm with him now.

• 39:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, so good. Oh, man.

• 39:07Bill Simmons?

  I, I wrote down, they can't find Busy Bee.

• 39:10Speaker 07

  This is my.

• 39:11Bill Simmons?

  Which Parker Posey performs like she's in a Scorsese cocaine film.

• 39:15Speaker 07

  I think this is Shakespeare. The Busy Bee, Busy Bee is missing.

• 39:19Bill Simmons?

  Has this been you ever? With, with anything missing with Halo?

• 39:22Speaker 07

  Um, you know, it's interesting, because, like, Adam and I were rewatching this, and we were, the, the two that we've skipped so far that I would nominate are Meghan Hamilton's swan sharing their two Starbucks.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  That's my number one.

• 39:33Speaker 07

  That's just an, I think, unbelievable scene in the catalogs, the catalog conversation.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  We're so lucky to have been raised among. Catalog.

• 39:41Speaker 07

  Absolutely remarkable line in the movie. You know, I was such a huge J. Crew person then, too. Still am.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 07

  Incredible.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 07

  And then when they arrive at the airport.

• 39:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 07

  And they're screaming at each other, like Adam and I were watching this and it's like. This, he's like, who are you?

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Scenes, scenes from a marriage.

• 39:59Speaker 07

  Are you Meg or are you Hamilton? But he was just like, this is the experience of, of living with you. And then I think he walked it back a little bit.

• 40:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 40:09Speaker 07

  But that idea of just like blaming each other for forgetting the pet toy, something going wrong, building toward the, the Busy Bee is missing stretch where like Hamilton is completely.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Inside the crate.

• 40:20Speaker 07

  Like he's in a cave into the carrier, looking for the toy. Just unbelievable stuff, unbelievable stuff. It's not in here. It's not in here. It should be in the crate. It's not in the crate. I just told you that. God, Hamilton, she did to get her toy. He's gonna flip out.

• 40:38Speaker 07

  It's not in here. You left it at the hotel. You go back and you get her Busy Bee. Go to the hotel and get Busy Bee. Run, run, go. Mommy's getting your toy. You go, you go back and you get her Busy Bee. Go to the hotel and get Busy Bee. Run, run.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Is it that or is it her with Ed Begley Jr.?

• 41:01Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  The poor woman who's playing.

• 41:03Speaker 07

  That scene is where I think Adam was like, just kidding.

• 41:08Speaker 07

  It's like a little, oh, boy.

• 41:10Bill Simmons?

  The pre-show party also has, um, Harland murdering the, the swans. When he's just telling something long, boring Harland story and they're like. Only drinks like.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  And then Hamilton asks about his jacket.

• 41:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  But it was, it was great, like Parker Posey preview for White Lotus.

• 41:26Bill Simmons?

  I thought the same thing.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 07

  Totally.

• 41:29Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, the you must be very proud Mary joke. Then we get to the show. Fred Willard wants to know why they don't dress up the dog like Sherlock Holmes. He says that whole thing. Not quite a rewatchable, but a little bit anything.

• 41:41Speaker 07

  Incredible.

• 41:41Bill Simmons?

  Um, all right. This is hard to do the end part, but.

• 41:46Bill Simmons?

  There's a whole Jane Lynch part where she won't wear makeup and they talk about that.

• 41:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  The Sophia Lauren.

• 41:53Bill Simmons?

  And then she tries to psych out Harland. She's like, oh, look at this dog. She's just like kind of

• 41:58Speaker 07

  She's intimidated. She's scared.

• 41:58Bill Simmons?

  Little rough, trying to like psych him out. And then it goes right into Fred talking about the shih-tzu. And Stuart is gonna think of shih-tzu on my carry-on. And that's when Trevor's starting to get frustrated.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  I think that also on the Christie Cummings Jane Lynch front, Michael McKean and John Michael Higgins, their reaction watching it on TV, not even before the kiss.

• 42:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Just sort of like

• 42:24Speaker 07

  Mocking her outfit.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Mocking her outfit.

• 42:25Speaker 07

  Oil rig.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:26Bill Simmons?

  She looks like a cock to which she's like, oh, Rick.

• 42:28Speaker 07

  Incredible stuff.

• 42:31Bill Simmons?

  Some of Fred's stuff, he trained to be a priest. He shouldn't find out what went wrong there, but that's a whole other show. He's just like ad-libbing all this stuff. He went on that run with terriers about how

• 42:43Speaker 07

  The terriers, his terrier commentary is on touch, unrivaled.

• 42:46Bill Simmons?

  Some countries, those dogs might be eaten.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 07

  How do they make them, how do they make it miniature? That's the best part.

• 42:51Bill Simmons?

  I said that was a really good question.

• 42:52Speaker 07

  Is there some way, some process that they use to make them physically smaller?

• 42:57Bill Simmons?

  He has a book idea for women bathing your dogs?

• 42:59Speaker 07

  Doing it doggy style. Yeah. You come up with the title. I'm not the literary guy.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  But that's what Trevor's like, they breed them that way.

• 43:07Bill Simmons?

  Would you put Meg buying a bubblebee at the pet store?

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Incredible. Oh, pet store scene is incredible.

• 43:12Speaker 07

  That's like historic.

• 43:15Bill Simmons?

  It's not a bee. It's a bear in a bee costume.

• 43:17Speaker 07

  This is a fish. The way that she, her, the, the quiet rage

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 07

  is actually terrifying to witness. And then I love when she selects the multicolored like rainbow rooster.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  It's a parrot. Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 07

  Then he's like

• 43:35Bill Simmons?

  She's just, she's broke. She's broken at that point.

• 43:38Speaker 07

  It's like a bee of the ones that we have here. Her response to that is one of my favorite moments in the movie. I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked for a toy that you don't have.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  So good.

• 43:52Bill Simmons?

  It is one of those where you think like she should have at least had an Aubrey Plaza type of career, like she should have led movies and done.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Parker's done pretty well for herself.

• 44:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's been like a, like a character. Yeah.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  Indie queen.

• 44:07Bill Simmons?

  Indie queen character.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:08Bill Simmons?

  But this and White Lotus makes me think like, yeah, there's probably a couple more great roles in there.

• 44:13Speaker 07

  Capturing that like abusive rudeness of a truly hysterical person.

• 44:18Bill Simmons?

  Maniac, yeah.

• 44:19Speaker 07

  Is like a, just a.

• 44:20Bill Simmons?

  She kept it a maniac as well as anyone ever.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  She got actual braces for this movie.

• 44:25Bill Simmons?

  I know.

• 44:26Speaker 07

  Incredible commitment. Or like you could argue just a perk. It's like I have to have the braces on.

• 44:30Bill Simmons?

  True.

• 44:31Speaker 07

  To do the movie and then you come out and you got beautiful teeth.

• 44:33Bill Simmons?

  She has a key role in one of my favorite movies that we've already done rewatchables that nobody's seen. Kicking and Screaming.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  I love Kicking and Screaming.

• 44:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she was the girlfriend.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Day Trippers.

• 44:42Bill Simmons?

  Just screaming.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Really good in Day Trippers.

• 44:43Bill Simmons?

  Screaming at Skippy.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  Couple more.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:49Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, the dog attacks the judge and Fred says he went after like she's made out of him.

• 44:55Bill Simmons?

  It's a shame to see that happen, but he's still a champion, even if he's set off in disgrace.

• 45:00Speaker 07

  Like Shoeless Joe Jackson.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Remarkable.

• 45:04Bill Simmons?

  Rhapsody has two mommies. We gotta mention that one.

• 45:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, great stuff.

• 45:08Bill Simmons?

  More great Higgins.

• 45:10Speaker 07

  He is, he doesn't have a single miss in the entire, in the entire movie.

• 45:12Bill Simmons?

  He really doesn't. It's a, it's not even a no here. It's a perfect game.

• 45:16Speaker 07

  It is a perfect game. It is.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  The makeup is impeccable. His costume.

• 45:20Bill Simmons?

  When he walks out and he's got, he's got the perfect stage thing.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:24Bill Simmons?

  They said he was training to be in this movie and actually was in a dog show and handled somebody and won.

• 45:29Speaker 07

  You can tell he had actually mastered the technique.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  That he won. He had to like sub in for someone and then he just won the competition.

• 45:36Bill Simmons?

  I was saying that my wife would have been good at this. Cause my wife's a good athlete, but they're like Jane Lynch had that run.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:41Bill Simmons?

  You have to have this controlled run where you don't break stride.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:45Speaker 07

  The prance, yeah.

• 45:46Bill Simmons?

  Like there's a certain athleticism that some of them seem to have. Jane Lynch was like great at it, but Higgins was good at too. All right. Um, the final seven, which I guess we can lump together.

• 45:55Speaker 07

  Final seven. Most rewatchable scenes, the whole movie.

• 45:59Bill Simmons?

  I mean.

• 46:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:01Bill Simmons?

  We get, we get the injury and the limp.

• 46:03Speaker 07

  This is it. That's my winner. That's my winner.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  You're gonna show Winky. You have a concussion. You're not making any sense.

• 46:11Bill Simmons?

  You think they know the championship's on the line here? Actual question from Fred.

• 46:14Speaker 07

  Really good. Trevor's face in response to that.

• 46:16Bill Simmons?

  Am I nuts or is something wrong with his feet?

• 46:20Bill Simmons?

  The proctologist joke? Yeah, I remember you said that last year. Do all the dogs bark the same? Jerry wins.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  But that's, that's, that's what I love about, about the Trevor character is like, that's his breaking point. That's the meanest he gets.

• 46:34Speaker 07

  You repeated, you had to gall to repeat your shitty joke.

• 46:37Bill Simmons?

  If you live by the neighborhood and you wear an outfit like that, you better be a hotel doorman. Fred's on just absolute fire.

• 46:43Speaker 07

  What a leader.

• 46:43Bill Simmons?

  And then Jerry wins. It's an emotional, it's like a real sports movie.

• 46:45Speaker 07

  It is.

• 46:46Bill Simmons?

  Does this count as a sports movie?

• 46:48Speaker 07

  No question. It's a literal underdog story here.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  And they had, they had to win.

• 46:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, this was like the fucking Chiefs not three-peat-ing.

• 46:56Bill Simmons?

  Shit Craig, this is like quietly sports movie month.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  I guess it is. Yeah, wow.

• 47:02Bill Simmons?

  We're two out of four. Jeez, gotta come up with two more now.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Snow Dogs Left. That's a dog movie and a sports movie. Snow.

• 47:09Bill Simmons?

  Amazing. Rocky, the best, the best.

• 47:14Bill Simmons?

  Six Months Later is our last one.

• 47:16Speaker 07

  Every single part of Six Months Later is perfect.

• 47:18Bill Simmons?

  It's perfect.

• 47:20Speaker 07

  Every single part of it.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  The therapy bookends.

• 47:23Speaker 07

  Unbelievable.

• 47:24Bill Simmons?

  Is the captain and the cookies beg for it? Would that be in your memorabilia things you'd want?

• 47:29Speaker 07

  That is, that is my second pick in the memorabilia.

• 47:31Bill Simmons?

  Behind Busy Bee?

• 47:32Speaker 07

  Behind Busy Bee. Busy Bee is the no-brainer memorabilia pick, but the fact that it's, it's not just Jerry and his little captain's costume and Winky looks so cute and hilarious name they've landed on. It's the fact that it's a cassette tape. Like, it definitely could have been a CD by this point, but it's a cassette tape, which is just the perfect touch, but I would have to pick this.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  The way that all the musical, I mean, I know they started with Spinal Tap, but the way that all the musical stuff in here feels like an audition for A Mighty Wind, uh, which is another perfect film.

• 48:00Bill Simmons?

  The song's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, bow wow!

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Mallory's like, don't try me, I've got the lyrics.

• 48:08Speaker 07

  Some dish! Bow wow! Delish!

• 48:15Speaker 07

  Fantastic.

• 48:16Bill Simmons?

  And then, of course, the studio legendary Nose Cookie.

• 48:19Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:20Bill Simmons?

  I'm not wearing underwear.

• 48:23Speaker 07

  So good. His name being Bulge.

• 48:27Bill Simmons?

  You've grown. I'm grown right now, girl.

• 48:30Speaker 07

  And then Jerry's just like, that's it. That's it for me. I'm grown right now, girl.

• 48:34Bill Simmons?

  And it's like, we can't do any better than this. It's like now, we're actually gonna launch American Bitch Magazine now.

• 48:39Speaker 07

  Oh, my god.

• 48:39Bill Simmons?

  Here we go. Focusing on the issues of the lesbian dog breeder.

• 48:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 48:44Bill Simmons?

  And then Higgins and McKean are like, no, we're gonna top that one. We're doing photo shoots of dogs in old famous movies.

• 48:50Speaker 07

  Maybe that's the one.

• 48:51Bill Simmons?

  Spent a lot of.

• 48:52Speaker 07

  The Casablanca one is my favorite. Yeah, that's really good.

• 48:54Bill Simmons?

  And then we end back in the therapist's office with Kipper doing some leg humping.

• 48:59Speaker 07

  Yep. And now they're wearing colorful. They're wearing monochromatic. A lot of bright, ringer green in their outfits. I have an observation from your run through of most rewatchable scenes.

• 49:09Bill Simmons?

  I mean, I just basically did the entire movie.

• 49:11Speaker 07

  You did it very light on Harlem Pepper.

• 49:13Bill Simmons?

  I sure did.

• 49:14Speaker 07

  Yeah. That stands out. Tell me. Tough.

• 49:17Bill Simmons?

  And we can get to that later.

• 49:18Speaker 07

  Okay. Oh, my god. Okay. Sheesh. Is it because you have a ventriloquism issue?

• 49:24Bill Simmons?

  No. We can get to it later. So your most rewatchable was?

• 49:29Speaker 07

  I am.

• 49:30Bill Simmons?

  Busy Bee?

• 49:30Speaker 07

  I'm so torn between Busy Bee and Cookie's Injury. I think I have to pick the spirit of most rewatchable scene. I don't think I'm constitutionally capable of looking away if I know we're about to see Cookie.

• 49:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 07

  I just, I think that has to be the pick.

• 49:45Bill Simmons?

  Why didn't Cookie's Injury become like one of the best Twitter memes to use anytime somebody had like a dumb injury in sports?

• 49:52Speaker 07

  Great question.

• 49:53Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, it's not too late. I don't know what we're doing. Joe, what do you have?

• 49:57Speaker 07

  It's the Starbucks. It's, it's. Fantastic. And the catalogs.

• 50:01Bill Simmons?

  So ironically, that's what I had for my most 2000 thing about this movie.

• 50:05Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:05Bill Simmons?

  That entire scene. People.

• 50:07Speaker 07

  Catalog.

• 50:08Bill Simmons?

  Being excited about how they met in a Starbucks over the course of a couple of weeks.

• 50:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 50:12Bill Simmons?

  Being big L, being catalog guys and feeling lucky to be raised along catalogs.

• 50:16Speaker 07

  Amongst catalogs.

• 50:18Bill Simmons?

  And now we. Do we have catalogs?

• 50:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 07

  Yes. Didn't they have a little bit of a comeback?

• 50:25Speaker 03

  I, I don't know.

• 50:26Bill Simmons?

  I only get carted like the catalogs.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  To me, but like sometimes if I order something online, then all of a sudden I will get the catalog for the thing.

• 50:32Bill Simmons?

  I only get like ones for like sports auctions. It'd be like new Lou Gehrig jersey collection available.

• 50:39Speaker 07

  Have you ever ordered something from a catalog?

• 50:40Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 50:41Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 50:42Bill Simmons?

  Not recently.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Have you ordered something from a catalog?

• 50:44Speaker 07

  Not recently. Back, back in the day.

• 50:45Bill Simmons?

  Back in the days, yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 07

  My mom, like the Swans, used to have a catalog.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  And you give the like, the number of the item you want?

• 50:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly.

• 50:52Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Macumenteri movies?

• 50:55Speaker 07

  No question. Just as an art form.

• 50:56Bill Simmons?

  Why are there more of them?

• 50:57Speaker 03

  As a genre, yeah.

• 50:58Bill Simmons?

  Craig, what the hell is wrong with your generation? Why aren't there more macumenteri movies? Well, I, you know, the Apatow era was very improv heavy. It's not macumenteri, but I think they like evolved from probably the Christopher, Christopher Guest stuff a little bit. Also, it's, it's honestly really hard. I think there's not more of them because it's genuinely hard to pull off of like a 90 minute improv movie. Most improv sucks. Can I summarize that? Craig just said my generation is cowards.

• 51:26Speaker 07

  When do you think that Craig, a married man who is a manager at this company and is in his 30s, will stop having to speak on behalf of all young people?

• 51:33Bill Simmons?

  He's 30. He's not in his 30s. He just turned 30. Right. I'm basically 29.

• 51:37Speaker 07

  Okay, you're holding on to it. Okay.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Okay, you want it. You want that.

• 51:41Speaker 07

  All right. I have one foot in the grave personally, so.

• 51:44Bill Simmons?

  Actually, you guys do some what's age the best and I'll do my end at the end. What do you got, Joe?

• 51:49Speaker 03

  Honestly, just everything?

• 51:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  I mean, I know that's like a bullshit answer, but I just couldn't single anything out because the whole movie's perfect.

• 51:57Bill Simmons?

  It doesn't feel dated at all.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 51:59Speaker 07

  No. This is the second rewatchables in a row for me where what's age the best was basically everything and what's age the worst and picking this. Two categories I normally love and have a lot of fun with were nearly impossible.

• 52:09Bill Simmons?

  I didn't have any.

• 52:09Speaker 07

  Before Sunset and this. It's just like, I don't know. And these are perfect movies that if we watch them 2,000 years from now, we would say are perfect movies.

• 52:17Speaker 07

  Macumenteri as a form was my top one as well. I think you already said this, but parodying crazy pet people, like we're in the era of, you know, the.

• 52:26Bill Simmons?

  Social media is taking it to a whole other level. You can't even parody it anymore. Like, social media is pet people.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  I think it also just like launched people's interest in dog shows in general.

• 52:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? The way that like Spelling Bee documentaries launched that, you know.

• 52:41Bill Simmons?

  And like rounders and poker?

• 52:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 07

  Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy as a comedic duo. I think that's a real what's aged the best. Obviously, everybody in the movie, their comedic brilliance holds up. But I'm wearing my Schitt's Creek sweatshirt today. And like, we have been so fortunate to spend so many years in so many different properties with them.

• 53:00Bill Simmons?

  Going back to SCTV.

• 53:01Speaker 07

  Yeah. And it is just this like, really rare thing where it's, you can act, trust is hard to build and maintain. But you can trust in the two of them together in something. And like revisiting that is just like such a gift. And I think that the roses from Schitt's Creek, they're modern icons, but it's tough to top the flex. It really is tough to top the flex. I think also the swans really aged well as a, you know, the cruelest caricature maybe in the film.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  A yuppie examination.

• 53:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. Scott aged well. The Odd Couple Broadcast Booth, that's a real what's aged the best.

• 53:40Bill Simmons?

  It feels like it's been ripped off in other movies.

• 53:41Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. You know what else aged the best, Bill? Rhapsody Losing.

• 53:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, true.

• 53:48Speaker 07

  Right?

• 53:49Bill Simmons?

  It's like the Patriots in 07 and the Giants favorites.

• 53:54Speaker 07

  You said it, man.

• 53:55Bill Simmons?

  I have what's aged the best, just Busy Bee being this toy that dominates everybody's life. It's hilarious.

• 54:02Speaker 07

  So good.

• 54:03Bill Simmons?

  A dog on a treadmill, I think is now a real thing.

• 54:05Speaker 07

  Yes, correct.

• 54:06Bill Simmons?

  I think that aged the best, just in general. Eugene Levy's weird teeth commitment.

• 54:10Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 54:11Bill Simmons?

  Just like how far he'll go. He'll go like cross-eyed for 10 minutes. So weird, like crazy things in his teeth. I have for what's aged the best, the Spinal Tap callback by Ed Begu Jr.

• 54:22Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 54:22Bill Simmons?

  About the rock being trashed in their room and roasting.

• 54:24Speaker 07

  They didn't know, they didn't know there was a toilet in the room.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Ed Begu Jr. is so good on this.

• 54:27Speaker 07

  He's real great.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  He's so good on this.

• 54:29Speaker 07

  He's trying to sell the utility closet as like a comfortable place to stay for 48 hours.

• 54:34Speaker 03

  Well, the kitchen's right next door, so don't worry about it. It's fine.

• 54:36Bill Simmons?

  The AM Philadelphia guy, when they're about to go live, he goes, "Energy."

• 54:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 54:40Bill Simmons?

  I thought that was good.

• 54:44Bill Simmons?

  Brockworth and Shalalies paging Dr. Freud. I don't know why that's so funny.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Scott.

• 54:50Bill Simmons?

  Uh, annoying coffee orders, which this movie ties into, but now literally everyone has an annoying coffee order. But they're, the swans are talking about.

• 54:58Speaker 07

  Grande espresso. And I thought that was really sexy. Yeah, so I, and her face when he's like, because I'm like, doesn't. And she's like, yeah, you are. Yeah.

• 55:06Bill Simmons?

  And then, um, Posey said this in neural history about Willard. Seeing him and waiting for Guffman, just smoking a cigar in a folding chair, looking out in the empty street and just coming up with brilliant, funny stuff. I'm in awe. We would all just sit and watch him and just double over. He had pages of legal pad of just bits. I have another thing. I have another thing. I think he's one of those rare guys that people, he was just like a comedy fountain.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:28Bill Simmons?

  Near around him, which is a.

• 55:30Speaker 07

  And this, and this is what he does best.

• 55:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 07

  Oh, my God. Like, does better than most people, and it is the thing that he does the best. Yes.

• 55:37Bill Simmons?

  I didn't have a great Shaq Gordo award unless you guys have one.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  It's not a cinematic.

• 55:42Bill Simmons?

  It's not a, it's, yeah, it's documentary.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  But I will say the, like, zoom in on, uh, on Jennifer Coolidge and Jane Lynch during this moose. Yeah, that's a great mockumentary moment.

• 55:53Speaker 07

  Through TV with Scott and Seth.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  And the camera's catching it.

• 55:55Speaker 07

  That's my pick as well. Yeah.

• 55:57Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Big Kahuna Burger Award? Best use of food and drink? Cause I have her complimenting the food as being like cafeteria food.

• 56:03Speaker 07

  That is also my pick.

• 56:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Speaker 07

  I know it tastes better, but it looks like cafeteria hot plate food. It's either that.

• 56:09Bill Simmons?

  Definitely an insult.

• 56:09Speaker 07

  It's either that or the popcorn. Oh, popcorn, right?

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Or I would say the, like, whatever frozen yogurt thing that Jennifer Coolidge is eating at the end when they're talking about American bitch. That she's just sort of like, they're in an interview and she's just like going to town on this pro yo.

• 56:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Um, or the meat counter scene. I know you guys already talked about it, but that, you know.

• 56:26Speaker 07

  Wonderful stuff.

• 56:27Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. That's probably the answer.

• 56:29Speaker 07

  Poor Randy the butcher. My God.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Randy was not enjoying it.

• 56:33Speaker 07

  No, he was not. I think the thing about the, the extra large bucket of popcorn is just the specificity of half butter, half salt. Half butter, half salt is really amusing.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:43Bill Simmons?

  Keep Cuddy Pursued Happening, so our best needle drop. It's one of the two songs. Would you go Terry or song or the other song?

• 56:48Speaker 07

  I love God knows the Terry.

• 56:51Speaker 07

  Small, sturdy, bright and true.

• 56:54Bill Simmons?

  The one lady's tearing up. She's really getting emotional.

• 56:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're so moved.

• 56:58Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brock Lenders Award for best character name. Stefan Vanderhoof?

• 57:04Speaker 07

  It's Harland Pepper!

• 57:05Speaker 03

  It's Bold.

• 57:06Speaker 07

  And Bold is my runner up, but.

• 57:08Bill Simmons?

  You wouldn't go Stefan Vanderhoof?

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Also.

• 57:11Speaker 07

  Harland Pepper is incredible.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  We haven't mentioned Bob Balaban, and I would say Theodore W. Milbank III is pretty good.

• 57:18Bill Simmons?

  That's pretty.

• 57:19Speaker 07

  And we have to do a human and a dog. We have to pick both because of the nature of the movie.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Oh, it's Rapsody and White.

• 57:24Speaker 07

  Rapsody and White slash.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's Rapsody and White, obviously.

• 57:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 07

  Yeah. Harland Pepper kills me.

• 57:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, a dog with two different names is great. All right, Joanne, you have a flex category.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  Okay, mine is, uh, it's a book about medals of war, politically best quote or exchange. This is just like slid in the backstory when we're first meeting, um, Michael McKean's character. And he says, I was a hairdresser about 14 years and I went to a show and I saw his nibs here having his way with a borzoy and I asked my ex-wife, who is that? And she said, that's Scott.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  I was hairdresser for 14 years. I asked my ex-wife, who is that? That's Scott.

• 58:03Bill Simmons?

  It's rich. Lot of context.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  A lot in one line.

• 58:07Speaker 07

  That's a great pick. Great pick.

• 58:10Bill Simmons?

  Butch's girlfriend award for the weak link of the film. You don't have to pick. You don't have to pick a weak link.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Okay, great.

• 58:16Speaker 07

  Do you have one?

• 58:18Speaker 03

  You think it's Christopher Guest as Harland Pepper?

• 58:21Bill Simmons?

  I don't.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  You don't want to say it.

• 58:22Bill Simmons?

  Harland Pepper doesn't make me laugh.

• 58:24Speaker 07

  I, I, yeah.

• 58:25Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's not quite fast forward over him, but I, I kind of get the joke immediately.

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 58:31Bill Simmons?

  And it's a lot of work.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  I think the nut monologue is really good when he's just naming nuts. I think that's really funny.

• 58:38Bill Simmons?

  Back and just put more of Higgins and McKean in it.

• 58:41Speaker 07

  The ventriloquist stuff is, is my least favorite of any of like the prominent.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 58:46Speaker 07

  Cast members.

• 58:46Bill Simmons?

  Cause it's funny, cause in Guffman, he's the funniest guy in Guffman.

• 58:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 58:51Bill Simmons?

  And then in this, I almost think he was trying to zag really super hard the other way. And, and I just remember even the first time I saw this movie, I remember being like. Huh.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  But I just love so much that he's like matching the bloodhound energy, that he's just like a human bloodhound.

• 59:05Bill Simmons?

  Well, the accent's great too. I like this too, buddies.

• 59:08Speaker 07

  What do we, what do we think, like the rat lifts think of his accent? You know, have the rat lifts ever made their way to the fish hole in North Carolina? I have a lot of affection for Harland Pepper for a couple of reasons. One, the, again, like, we're watching the swans scream and scare their dog and like, Harland Pepper has such love in his heart for Hubert. When we get to see the photo album full of the little baby puppy photos of Hubert, that's so cute. And he calls him, he doesn't just call him loyal, he calls him noble. I just love that.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  Do you think he comes back and wins a couple of years later, as was predicted?

• 59:48Speaker 07

  Yes, I think no question. And that's kind of, I think, a necessary.

• 59:52Bill Simmons?

  So that cat Rufus is still my screensaver.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, bunny.

• 59:56Bill Simmons?

  He's not alive anymore.

• 59:57Speaker 07

  Rufus.

• 59:58Bill Simmons?

  He just dropped dead one night.

• 1:00:01Bill Simmons?

  I don't have any What's Age the Worst.

• 1:00:03Speaker 07

  I had to try really hard to come up with a couple.

• 1:00:04Bill Simmons?

  I really like every part of this movie and I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know where you go.

• 1:00:12Speaker 07

  I got one.

• 1:00:13Bill Simmons?

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 1:00:14Speaker 07

  Well, actually too, I had the Harland's ventriloquist to act as one.

• 1:00:19Speaker 07

  Uh, this is so minor, I was really grasping for something here, but we have a couple of interstitials with the Mayflower brass, your aforementioned Mr. Milbank III. Graham Chisholm, I, even though it's only a few total scenes, I don't want any time going to those characters.

• 1:00:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:00:39Speaker 07

  Like, I think more time with the Fab Five, the curtain raising and all that. That's kind of it, though. Like, I would rather, the Taft Hotel stuff is all great. So I think there is value, you know, all of our time with, with, with the hotel manager Schaefer is wonderful. I think there's value in being with somebody other than the dog handlers and owners. But like, maybe give us the judge, give us a judge as a character, you know? What does Everett Bainbridge actually think? That's kind of it, though. It's really hard to think of too many other things here. Did you have?

• 1:01:09Bill Simmons?

  I could have spent more time at the, at the party with the melting ice thing.

• 1:01:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  Party was great.

• 1:01:14Bill Simmons?

  Could have been two more minutes there.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  I'm sure there was Everett Bainbridge, who you mentioned is played by the legend Don Davis. And I'm sure there's stuff with him that they cut, because why else do you cast him to just be in the distance for a part of the movie?

• 1:01:28Bill Simmons?

  Ruffalo Hannah Ruben Parkage over acting award. I think Hamilton cruises to the win here for, I think he dials it up the most.

• 1:01:36Speaker 07

  Hitchcock?

• 1:01:36Bill Simmons?

  You go get Busy Bee!

• 1:01:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Bill Simmons?

  You go get him!

• 1:01:38Speaker 07

  Run!

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Hitchcock is not my favorite in this.

• 1:01:42Bill Simmons?

  I have some other thoughts for him.

• 1:01:44Speaker 07

  Oh, interesting. Okay. That's my pick as well, but I think again, not as a demerit because dialing it up, you know, to 99 on a, we're normally operating on a one to 10 scale is sort of the point of the swans.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  He's also navigating, so Parker Posey got actual braces. He got like special retainers made and so he's talked about how he was like trying to not lisp around the retainers he had for his adult braces. So I feel like I've seen Hitchcock be better in other things.

• 1:02:08Bill Simmons?

  Uh, we're gonna take a break and then do Mallory's flex choice.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes, para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro. Para los que están lejos, los que no vende lejos, y los que no vende cerca. Para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos, para los que piensan y los que hacen. Para los que nos mostraron el camino. Coca-Cola, para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  Born in Texas, made in America, that's Valero. Keeping America moving, rain or shine, day or night, 365 days a year. Giving back to our communities and helping businesses thrive. We're proud to fuel the people who keep this country moving. So whether you're exploring new roads or heading down ones you know, we're here, fueling drives coast to coast. Proudly American, proudly getting you where you need to be. Right now, Valero.

• 1:03:13Bill Simmons?

  All right, Mallory, your flex choice is?

• 1:03:16Speaker 07

  I hope, I hope he's doing, did this movie have a porn parody? (laughing).

• 1:03:20Bill Simmons?

  Did it?

• 1:03:21Speaker 07

  I don't know, but I'd like it to, and it should be called Best in Blow. And.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  Not American Bitch.

• 1:03:29Speaker 07

  American Bitch, also a great, maybe it can be an entire franchise.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Not Breast in Show.

• 1:03:33Speaker 07

  Breast in Show, also a great one. I think this is just proof that we need the porn parody. Best in Blow is, of course, a Philadelphia convention for oral sex. And.

• 1:03:44Bill Simmons?

  Why'd you say, why'd you say, of course? I didn't know that.

• 1:03:47Speaker 07

  Sex technique. And the great news is, much like the Mayflower Dog Show, both of these can be, in part, about grooming. Grooming technique.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  And also Cookie wins both.

• 1:03:58Speaker 07

  Cookie definitely wins both, no question.

• 1:04:00Bill Simmons?

  Best in Peep Show?

• 1:04:02Speaker 07

  Also strong.

• 1:04:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Speaker 07

  Also strong. Press.

• 1:04:04Bill Simmons?

  Craig, don't go on your work computer.

• 1:04:08Bill Simmons?

  You just made me think that AVN, the, when they have that porn weekend.

• 1:04:13Speaker 07

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:13Bill Simmons?

  It's like the convention.

• 1:04:14Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:04:14Bill Simmons?

  I went to it because we shot a segment for Jimmy Kimmel Show when I was a writer.

• 1:04:19Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:04:19Bill Simmons?

  And that could have easily been a Christopher Guest world.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Why isn't it? Or, like, there is still time. I mean, I know he made mascots, but why is a furry convention not been made into a Christopher Guest movie?

• 1:04:31Speaker 07

  You know?

• 1:04:32Bill Simmons?

  I don't have an answer for you. I didn't have in the rundown, the Mallory Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene? Because there is no sex scene.

• 1:04:42Speaker 07

  No, I mean, I guess.

• 1:04:42Bill Simmons?

  But it's also a PG movie. I don't, a sex scene would have been weird.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  You don't want to see the swans.

• 1:04:46Speaker 07

  That, that would be the, the pick is like.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  More athletic.

• 1:04:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, the swans going through the Kama Sutra.

• 1:04:51Bill Simmons?

  Where she's smoking pot and we get a sex scene with them that I don't know if it's better or worse.

• 1:04:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's how we meet Kipper at the end, is like, they're actually workshopping a new page in the Kama Sutra, and then we pan to Kipper who's like, you're crushing it, mom and dad. The other thing for.

• 1:05:02Bill Simmons?

  Congress, Congress of the cow.

• 1:05:04Speaker 07

  That's old hat now. The other thing would, of course, be like flashbacks to all of Cookie's sexual exploits.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Actually, I think that would have been great.

• 1:05:11Speaker 07

  That would have been sensational.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  Cookie on the roller coaster? You don't even have to make it explicit, just sort of like, yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 07

  That would have been wonderful.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:20Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

• 1:05:24Speaker 07

  This is hard.

• 1:05:24Bill Simmons?

  If you don't have one, you don't have one.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Okay, we feel of two minds about this, but like, what if this had been? A TV show instead. What if this had been a mini series?

• 1:05:34Bill Simmons?

  I went further. Did Chris Guest leave like 200 million dollars on the table?

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Bill Simmons?

  He had this.

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  He had the footage.

• 1:05:41Bill Simmons?

  Curb, The Office, all this stuff. What if he had just gone dog show, TV, sitcom? Or HBO? Cause HBO's around in 2000.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  I mean, because like every year, there could be new contestants in. That's right. The dog show. Now, would it have worn out as welcome possibly? And is it good that we have this like 90 minute perfect jewel?

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  So my only thing with that is I think Cookie and Jerry have to be in it every year. And I think.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 1:06:04Bill Simmons?

  I think Stefan and uh, who's?

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Scott, Scott.

• 1:06:07Bill Simmons?

  Who did Higgins play? I think they have to be in it every year. Maybe everyone else changes.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  Scott and his kimono.

• 1:06:11Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I guess Coolidge and Jane Lynch have to be in it too.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  That's the thing. So everyone, oh, everyone but Harland Pepper.

• 1:06:17Bill Simmons?

  Harland Pepper is just somebody else the next year.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  Just hold the pepper.

• 1:06:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe hold the pepper.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Okay. Harland Pepper.

• 1:06:23Bill Simmons?

  But yeah, it does feel like there was. I mean, I'm sure these movies that are right, this movie made 20 million, so it made some money back. But there was some giant TV idea with this world.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:06:32Bill Simmons?

  All these people he had access to.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  No question.

• 1:06:34Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs, couldn't find anybody.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Neither could we. Nope.

• 1:06:37Bill Simmons?

  So best that guy award, there's a bunch of them in here.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Bill Simmons?

  The guy who plays Leslie Ward Cabot, who's also blue and old school. I did not know his name. I had to look it up and he's an all time that guy. His name is Patrick Cranshaw. And I don't know how you top it.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  I was gonna throw out Malcolm Stewart, who plays Malcolm. One of Cookie's many flings. What about Rachel Harris, who's like been in like The Hangover and a bunch of stuff? And has like a tiny role in this as like. That's a good one. As their friend at the backyard barbecue.

• 1:07:09Bill Simmons?

  I didn't even notice her in that. Oh shit, that's a good one.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. I like that one.

• 1:07:13Bill Simmons?

  And Bob Bowden's Bob Bowden. It's like he's not.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Don Davis, who we mentioned, who was like one of the judges is like. Famous from Twin Peaks. He plays Scully's dad on X-Files. Like he's, he's been around.

• 1:07:26Bill Simmons?

  This movie is all that guys and that girl.

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  That's, that's.

• 1:07:29Bill Simmons?

  Cause like Larry Miller, the one who's son goes on the shed. He's kind of Larry Miller, but he's also a really good that guy.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Bill Simmons?

  Dion Waiters award. Larry Miller's one of them.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  That's, that's the pick. Max Berman.

• 1:07:41Bill Simmons?

  I'd like to also offer you Leslie Ward Cabot. Even though it isn't on the line.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:07:46Bill Simmons?

  Harland's two buddies in Pine Nut? I was kinda into it. That was my favorite Harland.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  Will Sasso is Dale.

• 1:07:51Bill Simmons?

  Don't hit that funny tip I told you about.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  He's like, if you get tired, pull over, if you get hungry, eat something. I want to shout out the pet shop owner because like

• 1:08:02Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:08:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  To be able to hold that together opposite what Parker Posey's doing in the scene.

• 1:08:06Speaker 07

  Actually, an incredible achievement.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Remarkable.

• 1:08:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Bill Simmons?

  Recasting Couch Director City, what do you got, Mel?

• 1:08:12Speaker 07

  Does this need to be Philadelphia with apologies to CR? Like, is there any Philly specificity in the movie?

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Where would you put it instead? Baltimore?

• 1:08:21Speaker 07

  Sure, why not? Yeah, fuck, yeah, let's go to Baltimore.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  I think it needs to be someplace like high toned. So like a Boston or a Philadelphia, the like old money America.

• 1:08:32Speaker 07

  I don't know. There's no actual.

• 1:08:34Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna win this category.

• 1:08:35Speaker 07

  Alright.

• 1:08:36Bill Simmons?

  Parker Posey's husband in this movie, we've already mentioned.

• 1:08:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Bill Simmons?

  Hitchcock is, he's fine.

• 1:08:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Bill Simmons?

  Will Ferrell is right there.

• 1:08:45Speaker 07

  Oh, my god.

• 1:08:46Bill Simmons?

  Will Ferrell and Parker Posey together as the Swans.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  I can see him screaming, but I'm not sure I can see him in like the uptight.

• 1:08:53Bill Simmons?

  Oh, he can definitely do that. Yeah, he did that in SNL. I think he can do it. He did in a bunch of the sketches where he, he had an uptight character he used to play.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  I just feel like he always has a twinkle in his eye, which like is not.

• 1:09:05Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:09:05Bill Simmons?

  But maybe that needed it, though.

• 1:09:06Speaker 07

  Hamilton's like a real drip.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, Hamilton sucks.

• 1:09:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  You know, and I don't think that Will Ferrell ever sucks. The screaming would have been better.

• 1:09:14Bill Simmons?

  Thoughts?

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  I love Ferrell. I thought Hitchcock was really good for what the role called for. I think Ferrell could have done it, it's just a slightly different character.

• 1:09:21Speaker 07

  It would have been very, like a little moment like Hamilton talking about whether to change, you know, but he likes the way the.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Oh, the mock turtle.

• 1:09:28Speaker 07

  Should he go to the mock turtle, but oh, this like burgundy really matches with the slacks. Like Will Ferrell would have made it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  It's so hard because we're using what we think of Ferrell now. In 2000, Ferrell was not Ferrell yet, so maybe it would have worked.

• 1:09:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Speaker 07

  I love the Swans.

• 1:09:42Bill Simmons?

  Um, I already did my flex category, so we gotta keep going. Half assed in our research.

• 1:09:48Bill Simmons?

  Filming took place in Vancouver, N O A. They had to stage their own dog show because no dog show would let them do a dog show.

• 1:09:54Speaker 07

  That was interesting and kind of surprising.

• 1:09:56Bill Simmons?

  I think that's where some of the budget went.

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  But like, some of the judges had to be, have been like real dog show judges. You know what I mean? So like.

• 1:10:03Speaker 07

  Yeah. I guess like all of the official.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Did not want them there.

• 1:10:07Speaker 07

  I guess they're like, because you're mocking us.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  But they're celebrating.

• 1:10:09Speaker 07

  But they are.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  Christopher Guest doesn't even like the. Phrase mockumentary.

• 1:10:12Speaker 07

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:10:14Bill Simmons?

  He is gets a little precious sometimes. Fred's character, uh, Buck Loughlin was based on Joe Garagiola, who was an old baseball announcer from eighties, nineties. And had done the Westminster Show. He shot his whole part in a day and a half. Was specifically instructed by Christopher Guest not to research dogs in any way and just go completely blind.

• 1:10:36Speaker 07

  You can tell.

• 1:10:36Speaker 03

  Whereas Jim Peddic had to learn everything about dogs so that he could like respond with actual information.

• 1:10:41Speaker 07

  So funny.

• 1:10:43Bill Simmons?

  The first poodle, first Rhapsody and got fired?

• 1:10:48Speaker 07

  Yep. Wild. How embarrassing for that dog.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  Because the first Rhapsody's handler was a piece of work.

• 1:10:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Speaker 07

  I know the Brandy Booth Award is not one of our categories today, but who would you have given it to?

• 1:10:58Bill Simmons?

  I mean, come on.

• 1:10:59Speaker 07

  Best performance by a pet?

• 1:11:00Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Hubert's amazing.

• 1:11:02Speaker 07

  I will make the case here that it's Beatrice.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  I love.

• 1:11:05Speaker 07

  Because that's the most range is required to play Beatrice. Not my favorite, but startling performance.

• 1:11:10Bill Simmons?

  Why didn't I do that?

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  I love that you love Hubert and you're not into Harlem Pepper.

• 1:11:17Bill Simmons?

  I loved Harlem Pepper. It was just a lot of the same joke.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Bill Simmons?

  Guest said in the research, Fred Willard makes a joke when the person handles the dog's testicles.

• 1:11:29Speaker 07

  Yeah. Uh huh.

• 1:11:30Bill Simmons?

  But they found out why they do that. Did you know why they do that?

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Because they want to make sure.

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  You put fake, they didn't put fake testicles in there.

• 1:11:36Bill Simmons?

  Apparently some dogs will have one testicle and they get disqualified. So it's gotta be double balls. Who knew?

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  But then sometimes they would put a fake testicle in there to sort of like, so I just wanted to speak to the people who craft fake testicles.

• 1:11:49Bill Simmons?

  Fake dog testicles, yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  For dog shows. What's the application process like?

• 1:11:54Bill Simmons?

  That's your Ben in the sequel.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  Also, why are we shaming dogs as one ball?

• 1:11:56Speaker 07

  That's what I was gonna say, Craig. All of these elitist assholes in their dog shows.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Let them compete.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  That's what, that's what dog shows are. Elitism.

• 1:12:05Speaker 07

  Bald dog be proud and free. Good lord.

• 1:12:09Bill Simmons?

  Higgins said, um, he's like a big voice guy and he formed, he forms vocal groups on any movie or TV show he does.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:17Bill Simmons?

  And he got a good one going on this with, he said Jane was the soprano. Catherine was the alto, Icehang Tenor, Gene did the bass. You get really bored in the set. Higgins just sounds like an MVP. I thought he was great as Letterman. I love The Late Show. He's one of my favorite TV movies. He's awesome in that.

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  He did a really good, uh, Legend of Korra, did incredible, uh, voice work for that. Yeah. He's done like, he's had a really good voice work career, but he should have been in everything.

• 1:12:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he should have.

• 1:12:43Speaker 07

  Talk to daddy.

• 1:12:47Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain.

• 1:12:48Speaker 07

  The best. This is hard. This is hard.

• 1:12:51Bill Simmons?

  I think for a guest, it probably is.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 07

  I think so. Yeah.

• 1:12:55Bill Simmons?

  I feel like he had the most juice after this. Cause this movie, even though it only made 20 million. Fred Miller's tough, cause he was on that show in the seventies with Martin Mull. That was like a pretty massive comedy hit. Fernwood, something?

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  What about John Michael Higgins then?

• 1:13:10Bill Simmons?

  I think it is.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:13:12Bill Simmons?

  I think if, prob- probably at this point, if somebody mentions a movie to him, it's probably this one, I guess. O'Hara, no, but I don't even know what. I mean, she's.

• 1:13:21Speaker 07

  It's almost impossible to pick.

• 1:13:22Bill Simmons?

  It's probably Home Alone.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  Oh, Beetlejuice.

• 1:13:25Bill Simmons?

  I mean, she's the mom in Home Alone.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  Schitt's Creek, where she won Emmys for?

• 1:13:29Speaker 07

  I mean, Moira Rose is like.

• 1:13:32Bill Simmons?

  Like 700 million dollars.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  She's the mom in Beetlejuice.

• 1:13:34Speaker 07

  I was thinking about this because Schitt's Creek is one of my favorite recent shows in Home Alone. It's like, yeah, she just is. How many people can compete?

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  After hours.

• 1:13:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. Jeez.

• 1:13:43Bill Simmons?

  Never on SNL. Showed up, they hired a new head writer. The guy was acting like crazy person and just went back to Toronto.

• 1:13:52Bill Simmons?

  Um, she was in like the second year of Eddie Murphy. John Michael Higgins, yes. McKeon?

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:13:59Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:13:59Bill Simmons?

  It's not. It's probably.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  Better call Saul. Yeah.

• 1:14:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Bill Simmons?

  Still haven't watched it.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Which also starred Ed Bakely Jr.

• 1:14:08Bill Simmons?

  Jennifer Coolidge.

• 1:14:10Speaker 07

  White Lotus.

• 1:14:11Bill Simmons?

  I think White Lotus.

• 1:14:12Speaker 07

  Is White Lotus or Legally Blonde?

• 1:14:13Bill Simmons?

  She's doing commercials now.

• 1:14:15Speaker 07

  Yes. White Lotus propelled her to a level of like rediscovered fame and relevance that I, I think is inarguable.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  People imitating her scenes from Legally Blonde.

• 1:14:27Speaker 07

  Is sort of like what made her this sort of figure. You do this sometimes, but she Coolidge is a rare, like, maybe there is more than one Apex Mountain. Cause the time gap is so big. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:37Bill Simmons?

  Stifler's mom was one of the iconic characters.

• 1:14:41Speaker 07

  Very important.

• 1:14:42Bill Simmons?

  And there was even a song about her, an alternative song that I forget who did that one, but it became.

• 1:14:48Speaker 07

  Not Stacy's mom?

• 1:14:49Bill Simmons?

  No, somebody had Stifler.

• 1:14:51Speaker 07

  Stifler's mom?

• 1:14:52Bill Simmons?

  I thought there was a Stifler song. Or was that Stacy's mom?

• 1:14:55Speaker 07

  I think Stacy's mom has got it going on.

• 1:14:56Bill Simmons?

  About Stifler?

• 1:14:57Speaker 07

  No, no.

• 1:14:58Bill Simmons?

  I'm mixing.

• 1:14:59Speaker 07

  But maybe there's a Stifler's mom parody set to Stacy's mom.

• 1:15:01Bill Simmons?

  I thought Stifler's mom was in something. Fred Willard, we said no. Dog shows?

• 1:15:08Speaker 07

  Sure, maybe. I mean.

• 1:15:10Bill Simmons?

  I think so.

• 1:15:11Speaker 07

  Or the actual Westminster Dog Show.

• 1:15:12Bill Simmons?

  Roasting a goat, definitely. AM Philadelphia, hundred percent. Terror songs, yes.

• 1:15:19Speaker 07

  Pet people movies?

• 1:15:20Bill Simmons?

  America Bitch Magazine, yes. Pet people movies, yes.

• 1:15:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:15:24Bill Simmons?

  Jane Lynch, gotta be glee, right?

• 1:15:26Speaker 07

  It has to be glee, no question. Kimonos? Just kidding.

• 1:15:30Bill Simmons?

  How about Posey?

• 1:15:32Speaker 07

  Oh, man. Oh, that's tough. Hard.

• 1:15:35Bill Simmons?

  I feel like part of the frustrating thing about her career is that kind of, there was never an Apex Mountain. It was always like, oh, I love Parker Posey.

• 1:15:41Speaker 07

  Party Girl, House.

• 1:15:42Bill Simmons?

  Somewhere in the mid nineties, she was the it girl.

• 1:15:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Speaker 07

  She is unbelievable in this, though. Yeah, unbelievable in this.

• 1:15:50Bill Simmons?

  She's pretty great in Days of Confused.

• 1:15:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, she is. She's so good in Days of Confused. Guffman, she's great in Guffman.

• 1:15:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's probably somewhere mid nineties. Cruiser Hanks.

• 1:15:59Speaker 07

  Wait.

• 1:16:00Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 1:16:00Speaker 07

  What about Eugene Levy? No. It's Shits Creek.

• 1:16:03Bill Simmons?

  It's Shits Creek, yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 07

  Or Splash. Oh, yeah. Just watch Splash all the time.

• 1:16:07Bill Simmons?

  No, Shits Creek. Cause you also have your kid in the same thing.

• 1:16:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You also got credit for that as an Apex.

• 1:16:16Speaker 07

  I wanted to ask you this.

• 1:16:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 07

  Because you're a comedy expert.

• 1:16:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Thank you.

• 1:16:21Speaker 07

  You're welcome. Comedy Ensemble Cast?

• 1:16:26Bill Simmons?

  Oh, for a movie?

• 1:16:27Speaker 07

  Oh. What do you think? It's at least in the conversation. It's in the top ten, yeah.

• 1:16:35Bill Simmons?

  So who's the competition for this? Anchorman?

• 1:16:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  Bridesmaids?

• 1:16:41Bill Simmons?

  Bridesmaids. Yeah, it's a bunch of Apatow movies, probably.

• 1:16:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:16:45Bill Simmons?

  Trying to think eighties. Oh shit, you should have texted that one to me. I would have wanted more time on that question.

• 1:16:51Speaker 07

  This is like when Amanda asked you about fictional movie houses.

• 1:16:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 07

  You were enraged.

• 1:16:55Bill Simmons?

  I still don't have the answer to that.

• 1:16:57Speaker 07

  Enraged.

• 1:16:57Bill Simmons?

  Such a great question.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  Cause like eighties high school party comedies like have a bunch of heavy hitters.

• 1:17:02Speaker 07

  I don't feel that I have the expertise to answer this.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  Honestly, I think Anchorman's a really good one.

• 1:17:07Bill Simmons?

  I think it might be Anchorman.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  I mean, almost everybody.

• 1:17:10Bill Simmons?

  So many people on that. It's like an entire decade of people who either were stars or became stars.

• 1:17:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:15Bill Simmons?

  It's up there, though. Cruiser Hanks, what do you got?

• 1:17:18Speaker 07

  Hanks.

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  Tom Hanks.

• 1:17:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Hank.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Also from Pineapple.

• 1:17:20Bill Simmons?

  Who does Hanks play?

• 1:17:22Speaker 07

  He'd be a great Harland Pepper. And I do think he could do Hamilton Swan.

• 1:17:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:17:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Bill Simmons?

  I think he could have done McCann, too.

• 1:17:29Speaker 07

  Would be, I don't even know. I wouldn't be able to process it.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Hanks in the Black Jeopardy sketch from SNL and you put him in Best in Show, you have a great time.

• 1:17:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Bill Simmons?

  Scorsese or Spielberg?

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  Spielberg.

• 1:17:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Spielberg. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I thought this was easy.

• 1:17:45Speaker 07

  I did too, actually.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:17:47Bill Simmons?

  Who do you have?

• 1:17:48Speaker 07

  I had Stefan.

• 1:17:50Bill Simmons?

  Interesting.

• 1:17:51Speaker 07

  Yeah. What did you have?

• 1:17:52Bill Simmons?

  I had, uh, I had, uh, Parker Posey's husband.

• 1:17:55Speaker 07

  Hamilton Swan.

• 1:17:56Speaker 03

  You just want to recast him. You're real on.

• 1:17:58Bill Simmons?

  I'd say he would have been good with her.

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  I think maybe as much as I loved impedic, Trevor Beckwith.

• 1:18:03Bill Simmons?

  Ah, with an English accent?

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:05Bill Simmons?

  I really liked the Hoffman character.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  Just increasing exasperation.

• 1:18:09Speaker 07

  That would be really good.

• 1:18:09Bill Simmons?

  Craig, you get a flex category.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with the Dan Campbell scale for holy shit, are they really going for this right now? And it's when Larry Miller, the guy who plays Max. Yeah. When he makes Cookie hand the dog off to Gary and then just kisses her right on the mouth in front of everybody. It's like, oh damn. The Cookie storyline.

• 1:18:27Speaker 07

  Like dips her.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  That's like fourth and ten in the first.

• 1:18:30Bill Simmons?

  First, you're like, wow.

• 1:18:33Bill Simmons?

  Cookie collect.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  Cookie.

• 1:18:37Bill Simmons?

  Picky nets.

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  I've.

• 1:18:39Speaker 07

  Again, very hard.

• 1:18:40Bill Simmons?

  The utility closet's a reach. That one always jumps out at me.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:18:44Speaker 07

  So funny.

• 1:18:45Bill Simmons?

  I know they had to do it, but it's kind of.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  They also, they drove up in a Winnebago.

• 1:18:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  Could you not just sleep in the Winnebago?

• 1:18:50Bill Simmons?

  Can we get room services in here?

• 1:18:51Speaker 07

  Great question.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Could you not just sleep in the Winnebago?

• 1:18:53Bill Simmons?

  Can we get room service in here? It's like, you have thirty-four dollars, you're not getting room service.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:18:57Bill Simmons?

  What are we getting? Like peanuts?

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  I would say, so we get, we get, um, the Busy Bee in the hotel search.

• 1:19:04Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  We get the pet shop scene.

• 1:19:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  And she comes back and he's like, you've been gone for thirty minutes and you couldn't find it? I'm like, that, she has to have been gone much longer than that.

• 1:19:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's like two hours. That's a good point.

• 1:19:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a great one. Um, I will posit that Harland Pepper of nut naming fame does not name that many nuts.

• 1:19:25Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:27Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:19:28Bill Simmons?

  You wanted like sixty nuts?

• 1:19:29Speaker 07

  Well, that's the thing.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  Does he say hazelnut?

• 1:19:32Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:19:33Speaker 07

  No, he does. He says peanut, hazelnut, cashew nut, macadamia nut, pine nut, pistachio nut, red pistachio nut, natural, all natural, white pistachio nut. Now, getting three pistachio nuts is impressive, but he leaves walnut on the table? No almond, no pecan, no Brazil nut, no chestnut? We're supposed to be impressed with this?

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  Aren't also, are pine nuts technically seeds? I think pine nuts are seeds.

• 1:19:57Speaker 07

  This is why you're you.

• 1:19:58Bill Simmons?

  I just want to go on the record with Harland. Harland Pop, Harland Pepper.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:02Bill Simmons?

  Um.

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:04Bill Simmons?

  I didn't, I like the character.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  Sure, that's clear, yeah.

• 1:20:07Bill Simmons?

  High usage rate, is my only point. He's the only solo character.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Oh, you're like, Christopher Guest didn't do a heavy enough edit on himself.

• 1:20:13Speaker 07

  Interesting.

• 1:20:15Bill Simmons?

  I didn't want to say it, but I'll say it.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:20:18Speaker 07

  You're, the point about the partner is interesting.

• 1:20:21Bill Simmons?

  Everyone else is playing off somebody else and he's always just kind of.

• 1:20:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, I like when you have a single, a single pet owner there, because that relationship is very special. But you're right that he's then, there's no other voice.

• 1:20:30Bill Simmons?

  It's a high usage rate. He's getting a couple shots off.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  Did anyone else find out that Christopher Guest was a baron while doing research for this?

• 1:20:35Speaker 07

  Yes, I did not know this.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  That he had a seat in the House of Lords?

• 1:20:39Speaker 07

  He has an official title.

• 1:20:40Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 1:20:40Speaker 07

  And so does Jamie Lee Curtis.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's Baron Hayden Guest and she's Lady Hayden Guest.

• 1:20:46Speaker 07

  Is this not astonishing?

• 1:20:47Bill Simmons?

  What does that even mean?

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  His father was like the British diplomat to America and had a seat in the House of Lords. And so Christopher Guest, but Christopher Guest is like, I refuse to take the seat until they reform. And then they sort of did a bunch of stuff and now he doesn't really have a seat anymore. But he's still a Baron. He's a Baron.

• 1:21:03Bill Simmons?

  I would have taken the seat.

• 1:21:04Speaker 03

  And he's married to Jamie Lee Curtis. So he's winning, stays winning.

• 1:21:06Speaker 07

  Christopher Guest.

• 1:21:06Bill Simmons?

  Take the seat.

• 1:21:07Speaker 07

  Baron Zemo. You know, so many of the greats.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  That's a Marvel joke for you, Bill. Yeah.

• 1:21:12Bill Simmons?

  I get it. Right over my head. One more pick and knit.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:17Bill Simmons?

  Are we sure the terror should have won?

• 1:21:19Speaker 07

  All right. So this is a, this is a big talking point.

• 1:21:21Bill Simmons?

  Can we really get into this? Was that the best dog? Short legs. It's like, whatever.

• 1:21:26Speaker 07

  No, Winky's a great dog. I won't have you diss much Winky. I'm thinking from like the story perspective, what are we, what do we think we're building toward Hubert? We think we're building toward Hubert. Now, I think the reason I like the Winky choice ultimately is because the movie does such a good job of making clear that Hubert is the dog of the future.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 07

  Like he will come back and he will take best in show without question. Five star prospect.

• 1:21:47Bill Simmons?

  Kind of like Lamar Jackson?

• 1:21:51Speaker 07

  Craig, we almost made it through a whole podcast without Bill being mean to me about the Ravens. For no reason. Haven't I suffered enough?

• 1:21:57Bill Simmons?

  Hubert won three MVPs, but never pulled off the dog show?

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  But also doesn't Jerry, doesn't Jerry need a win?

• 1:22:04Speaker 07

  That's the thing.

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  After having been cuckolded the entire movie?

• 1:22:06Speaker 07

  And that's why I think Winky is ultimately the choice. It's because it's just as much a cookie Jerry family victory as it is a Winky victory. And they're so happy. They really need it. They were staying in the fucking utility closet.

• 1:22:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:22:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Bill Simmons?

  I just didn't, I didn't like that dog the most.

• 1:22:20Speaker 07

  Now they're celebrities because they got to do three radio interviews.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  Would you have Hubert win or?

• 1:22:25Bill Simmons?

  I think it's a solid point. He was a year away.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Bill Simmons?

  He's only two.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Bill Simmons?

  Not great dog shows ahead of him.

• 1:22:34Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV all black cast or untouchable. The Cookie Fleck prequel?

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  No, mine.

• 1:22:41Bill Simmons?

  Sounds amazing.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, the sex, the, the sex.

• 1:22:44Bill Simmons?

  Cookie in high school?

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Cookie.

• 1:22:45Speaker 07

  Holy shit.

• 1:22:47Bill Simmons?

  Cookie in like nineteen eighty-two, just running amok. Hey, girl.

• 1:22:53Bill Simmons?

  It's like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, multiplied by eighty.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 1:22:56Speaker 07

  The roller coaster episode.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. The waitress episode.

• 1:23:02Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 1:23:02Bill Simmons?

  She made a lot of friends. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs?

• 1:23:13Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 1:23:14Bill Simmons?

  Or Wilford Brimley in The Firm? He's got two left feet, Jim.

• 1:23:19Speaker 07

  I'm sad that Chris is not here to do Romo as one of the commentators. That's like.

• 1:23:25Bill Simmons?

  I actually have a better option than that, though, but you guys go.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  I genuinely think Danny Trejo could kill in this film.

• 1:23:31Bill Simmons?

  Interesting, yeah, because he hasn't done that much comedy.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like when he does, he kind of crushes, and I think he could just like, take it really seriously, which is what Christopher Guest asked them to do.

• 1:23:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  And I think he could actually kill in this.

• 1:23:42Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking Sam Jackson.

• 1:23:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 1:23:44Bill Simmons?

  Maybe not in this, but in the sequel, but there's a Sam Jackson character that I think would be pretty great.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  What kind of dog?

• 1:23:50Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, we could go, because one thing with the dogs in this movie, there weren't enough bigger dogs. We really only had.

• 1:23:58Speaker 07

  It was like a whole category.

• 1:23:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I just wish we had.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Bill Simmons?

  Because sometimes they'll have like freaking Great Danes and like giant ones, like I wonder.

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:07Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, I thought Sam could have done good, though.

• 1:24:09Speaker 07

  I would really enjoy the version of this movie.

• 1:24:11Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Wayne Jenkins?

• 1:24:12Speaker 07

  Said in Philadelphia, where Wayne Jenkins just takes the Amtrak up the false floor. And he's there with his rottweiler, and he would get into the most memorable fight with Hamilton Swan.

• 1:24:26Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 07

  Backstage. Can you imagine Wayne Jenkins having to escort Hamilton Swan out of the arena? I just think that would be an absolute thrill. Didn't know we were dealing with super handler.

• 1:24:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you better go find Bessie B right now, you could be long way for a long fucking time.

• 1:24:46Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar, who gets it?

• 1:24:48Speaker 03

  Christopher Guest.

• 1:24:51Speaker 03

  Are we just talking performance? Are we talking about like?

• 1:24:53Bill Simmons?

  It could be anything you want.

• 1:24:54Speaker 07

  Would you do it for directing?

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  He wrote and directed this movie.

• 1:24:56Speaker 07

  I think screenplay has to be ineligible, though, because of what we know about the improv. Best editing.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Best editing, editing, Christopher Guest.

• 1:25:04Speaker 07

  Craig!

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  Great call.

• 1:25:05Speaker 07

  That's a fucking good one, man. You're riding that Sean Baker high right now. I know you are.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:11Speaker 07

  I, I want to make the case for Catherine O'Hara. I think that what she, because there are so many extreme performances in the movie. I think she is actually doing something. It's all relative, of course, but kind of understated compared to a lot of the other really heightened caricatures. And it is pitch perfect every scene.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  You're saying that with a straight face after watching her wobble her knee?

• 1:25:41Speaker 07

  That would be the clip they'd play at the Oscars.

• 1:25:44Bill Simmons?

  Do you want me to give you the, do you want me to give you the best actress in a supporting role for that year?

• 1:25:48Speaker 07

  Please.

• 1:25:48Bill Simmons?

  Our winner was Marcia Gay Harden in Pollock, which was

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:52Bill Simmons?

  Travesty. Judi Dench, Judi Dench in Chocolat.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  That was a Weinstein special.

• 1:25:59Bill Simmons?

  Kate Hudson, Almost Famous.

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  It was Kate's year.

• 1:26:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  Julie Walters, Billy Elliot. And the person I think should have won, Frances McDormand in Almost Famous.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Frances McDormand has so many Oscars.

• 1:26:11Bill Simmons?

  She's unbelievable in Almost Famous.

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  She is, of course she is. Rockstar's Have Kidnapped My Son.

• 1:26:16Speaker 07

  Have you two talked about Almost Famous together?

• 1:26:18Speaker 03

  We've, a little bit. He knows that I

• 1:26:20Bill Simmons?

  You'd go with Kate over Frances McDormand?

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  In that film, Penny Lane, yeah.

• 1:26:27Bill Simmons?

  Kate Hudson's great.

• 1:26:28Speaker 07

  You can't do that rewatchables without Juliet. She will never forgive you.

• 1:26:31Bill Simmons?

  I'm

• 1:26:35Speaker 07

  Just get them both together.

• 1:26:36Bill Simmons?

  Declara's the worst.

• 1:26:37Speaker 03

  The first time I ever talked to Bill about anything, you were at home and you had Almost Famous ephemera behind you. You had Stillwater stuff behind you.

• 1:26:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 03

  And I was talking about Almost Famous and you said to me, you could never do Almost Famous on rewatchables because it would

• 1:26:50Bill Simmons?

  Be the end of the feed.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  Be the end of your team because people would quit if they weren't on that pod.

• 1:26:56Bill Simmons?

  We might have to just do two or three

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:58Bill Simmons?

  different pods.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Bill Simmons?

  Just released all at the same time.

• 1:27:01Speaker 07

  Like the heat, reheat.

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Like an alternate broadcast.

• 1:27:03Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 1:27:03Bill Simmons?

  When they have like different announcing teams.

• 1:27:05Speaker 03

  Manicast?

• 1:27:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  Frances McDormand in Almost Famous is incredible. But I have this thing where if someone already has an Oscar.

• 1:27:10Bill Simmons?

  But she had one. Oh, she's won one at that point.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  She had, Farah, yeah.

• 1:27:13Speaker 07

  So example, for example, Timothy Chalamet should have won instead of Adrian Brody?

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  Absolutely correct. Um, but like, that was a pivot point in Kate's career. If she had won the Oscar that year.

• 1:27:24Bill Simmons?

  A pivot point to do fucking rom coms.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  No, but I'm saying she wouldn't have had to do rom coms. She could have continued to do.

• 1:27:29Speaker 07

  Rom coms.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  She could have continued to do incredible things like The Four Feathers.

• 1:27:32Bill Simmons?

  I've enjoyed a lot of Kate's work. I just thought the mom's amazing in that movie.

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  She's so good.

• 1:27:37Bill Simmons?

  I mean, she's like every moment she's in that movie. She's.

• 1:27:39Speaker 07

  What a film. Great one. Who are you picking for your Oscar?

• 1:27:43Bill Simmons?

  Russell Hammond.

• 1:27:51Bill Simmons?

  I'm thinking Fred Willard.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:53Bill Simmons?

  For best supporting actor, but I really liked the, the, uh, I like your, your, that O'Hara takes really good. I almost want to switch my pick.

• 1:28:01Speaker 03

  I'm with Craig.

• 1:28:01Bill Simmons?

  Best actor supporting role that year was Del Toro, one for Traffic. Jeff Bridges for The Contender, who's great. Who is like the perfect president. Willem Dafoe, Shadow of the Vampire. Albert Finney, Aaron Brockovich, he's really good in that. And then Phoenix and Gladiator, which tougher, tougher category to crack.

• 1:28:18Speaker 07

  That's a crowded field right there.

• 1:28:20Bill Simmons?

  I like, I like your, uh, I think Val's right. I think that's the pick.

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  Catherine O'Hara?

• 1:28:24Speaker 07

  I did, the, the math I did with myself was Catherine O'Hara for Oscar, and not to spoil it, but Willard for who won the movie.

• 1:28:32Bill Simmons?

  So.

• 1:28:32Speaker 07

  Instead of the Oscar.

• 1:28:33Bill Simmons?

  The case for, for hers.

• 1:28:35Speaker 07

  You could argue Catherine O'Hara again for that and Parker Posey for that, honestly.

• 1:28:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, you also have to do the who else could have played these people?

• 1:28:41Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:28:41Bill Simmons?

  Game.

• 1:28:42Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:28:43Bill Simmons?

  And I think those are the two that I think are like, I don't think anyone else could do what they do in the movie.

• 1:28:47Speaker 03

  I think Levy too, Eugene Levy, like.

• 1:28:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:28:51Speaker 03

  And Parker Posey.

• 1:28:52Speaker 07

  Parker Posey.

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  And Jennifer Coolidge and Jane Lynch.

• 1:28:54Speaker 07

  It's true.

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Like, it's just really hard to.

• 1:28:57Speaker 07

  Their wars are all so high.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:00Bill Simmons?

  It's a great movie.

• 1:29:01Speaker 07

  Love it. That's one of your favorite baseball stats?

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:29:04Bill Simmons?

  Probably in answerable questions.

• 1:29:07Speaker 07

  Boy, this is a fun one.

• 1:29:08Bill Simmons?

  What was Fred Willard's character's name? Buck Loughlin?

• 1:29:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Bill Simmons?

  Was he one of the first Me Twos, you think?

• 1:29:16Bill Simmons?

  First, first wave?

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  I mean, Fred Bullard himself had his own.

• 1:29:19Bill Simmons?

  Oh, did he? I forgot that Fred did.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:29:22Speaker 07

  Oh, my god.

• 1:29:24Bill Simmons?

  Posey, so Posey posits this in the oral history about how she wore all these capes and cloaks and beiges and all the colors that felt and looked like Beatrice as the movie went on. That's what's so fun about the movie is how people are like their dogs and they look like their dogs. And she goes, I mean, Coolidge is like a poodle. Do you believe people start to look like their dogs? I'm an answerable question.

• 1:29:46Speaker 03

  I do, but more importantly, I think people tend to gravitate towards dogs that match their vibe and energy.

• 1:29:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, they pick the dog that reminds them of them in the first place because people are inherently narcissistic, correct?

• 1:29:58Bill Simmons?

  You think that's what it is?

• 1:29:59Speaker 07

  Definitely, yeah.

• 1:30:01Bill Simmons?

  Because that really, I mean, we've had all kinds of dogs.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Your energy?

• 1:30:04Bill Simmons?

  No, but I'm just used to golden retrievers because that's what my dad always had, but I don't know that there's really no other reason.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  You do occasionally have golden retriever energy in a positive way.

• 1:30:13Speaker 07

  It's just sort of like, look how happy you were when I just said that. And you were like, I do?

• 1:30:16Bill Simmons?

  They're great dogs.

• 1:30:19Speaker 07

  Beloved by all?

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Bill Simmons?

  What would be a bad energy dog?

• 1:30:22Speaker 07

  Great names?

• 1:30:23Speaker 03

  Uh, bad energy dog. I think all animals are great.

• 1:30:27Speaker 07

  Wow, Joanna was ready to just send a stray toward the Schnauzer's.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  Community.

• 1:30:32Bill Simmons?

  See, little dogs, we'll never have another little dog. I don't like the Barker. I don't like the Barker.

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  A yipping.

• 1:30:38Bill Simmons?

  The yippy, yippy bark is like, it's like, I'm out. Goldens are cool. Although we have one of the only like semi unfriendly goldens ever right now, but COVID dog, it's not his fault.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  Have a lot of like hair that gets everywhere. How do you manage that?

• 1:30:51Bill Simmons?

  That's true. We comb them.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:53Bill Simmons?

  The English, the English goldens are a little better.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  Less hairy.

• 1:30:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Speaker 07

  Interesting.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  Everyone I know who has a golden, like, they're, they're furnished. Or their cars are just like covered in fur all the time.

• 1:31:05Bill Simmons?

  You gotta stand. Any other probably answerables for you?

• 1:31:09Speaker 07

  A few. Yeah. Um, I'd like to ask you for the Vegas odds. How heavy of a favorite was Rhapsody in White heading into this?

• 1:31:15Bill Simmons?

  Like minus four hundred on FanDuel.

• 1:31:19Bill Simmons?

  Two time winner.

• 1:31:20Speaker 07

  Minus.

• 1:31:24Bill Simmons?

  Christie Cummings, best trainer in the country.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  They're, they're.

• 1:31:27Bill Simmons?

  Heavy favorite.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  Smoozing with the judges.

• 1:31:29Speaker 07

  That's my next unanswerable question. So Buck says, let me ask you this. Money ever exchange hands? Trevor's of course offended and wounded by this, but we saw Christie try to wine and dine. Millbank. So did money.

• 1:31:45Bill Simmons?

  Well, they.

• 1:31:45Speaker 07

  Exchange hands?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  No, because Millbank was like holding the line.

• 1:31:48Speaker 07

  But ever? Do you think Christie ever?

• 1:31:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, they throw the party every year, which is no small reason, right?

• 1:31:55Speaker 07

  It is. Cause they're doing the separate, different party.

• 1:31:57Bill Simmons?

  Ice thing?

• 1:32:00Speaker 07

  Did someone sabotage Cookie?

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  With the carpet. Did somebody put something down?

• 1:32:04Bill Simmons?

  You know, I rewound that a couple of times.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  That fall comes out of nowhere.

• 1:32:08Bill Simmons?

  It's a borderline nitpick. Cause it's like, it's, she doesn't even trip on anything. She's like, well, it goes fine.

• 1:32:12Speaker 07

  Okay. All right. So you think that was pure, not sabotage? Great. Um. How many tapes did Jerry and Cookie sell? You think they're on anybody's Spotify wrapped in the future?

• 1:32:24Bill Simmons?

  I don't.

• 1:32:24Speaker 07

  No, you don't think they made it big? Do you think Scott and Stefan made it big with the calendar business?

• 1:32:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:32:30Speaker 07

  I think so. I think that's a home run.

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  Especially if in the future they did other people's pets. Like you can put your own pet in a calendar. That's the business.

• 1:32:38Speaker 07

  What a great idea.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  That's the business.

• 1:32:40Speaker 07

  Oh my God. So they give you the filter or the shell and you can put your pets in the ca- oh my God. That's a billion dollar idea right there.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  I'm sure it exists.

• 1:32:51Speaker 07

  If it doesn't, get on it right after this. That's a great one. Did American Bitch last into the digital era? What do you think?

• 1:32:57Bill Simmons?

  Cookie tapes then though. I think she was on some tapes. They just weren't music tapes.

• 1:33:03Bill Simmons?

  I think there was some vintage stuff from the eighties that she might have popped in.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  And she would be very proud of it.

• 1:33:07Bill Simmons?

  Couldn't have been more pleased that they're out there.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  She'd be very proud of it.

• 1:33:10Bill Simmons?

  Some of her best work.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  There's actually a Moira Rose plotline about that. That sounds great.

• 1:33:13Speaker 07

  Oh, my god. Um, we talked about already, but did Beatrice thrive without the swans? I like to think she did. I like to think that Beatrice went on and lived a full life.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  They'll think she went to the farm.

• 1:33:23Speaker 07

  I don't, I don't like that. What was Cookie's actual number? That's my last one for unanswerable questions. You know, we got the dozens, hundreds.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  She said hundreds.

• 1:33:29Speaker 07

  Hundreds. Do, do we think that's like?

• 1:33:31Bill Simmons?

  She said hundreds twice.

• 1:33:33Speaker 07

  Three hundred fifty people, like two hundred fourteen?

• 1:33:35Bill Simmons?

  Around, about how old was Cookie, do we think?

• 1:33:38Speaker 03

  In her forties?

• 1:33:39Bill Simmons?

  Forty-two, forty-three?

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:41Bill Simmons?

  And how long do we think she'd been with Jerry?

• 1:33:44Speaker 03

  Oh, it was like eight or ten years.

• 1:33:46Speaker 07

  They met at a dance.

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:47Bill Simmons?

  So she, early thirties, so that gives her about fifteen years?

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, possibly.

• 1:33:54Bill Simmons?

  Fifteen years?

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:56Bill Simmons?

  Go like fifty a year? So we're in like the six hundred range?

• 1:34:01Speaker 07

  That sounds low to me. That's one a week.

• 1:34:04Speaker 03

  So what do you think it is?

• 1:34:05Bill Simmons?

  But, but she's in a small town, though. At some point, you're gonna run out of people in the town.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  But the fact that she's like running into people across the country.

• 1:34:12Speaker 07

  Yeah. I don't think we're limiting this to state borders.

• 1:34:15Bill Simmons?

  All right, if it's seven-

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  You think it's a thousand, you think she had a thousand?

• 1:34:17Bill Simmons?

  If it's seventy-five a year for fifteen years, that gets us to a thousand.

• 1:34:22Speaker 03

  And I love that for her.

• 1:34:23Speaker 07

  Good for her. She's living a great life, and I'm thrilled for her. I, I-

• 1:34:26Bill Simmons?

  Well, it sounds like she had like a, like a trick. She had like a calling card.

• 1:34:30Speaker 03

  You never forget the best.

• 1:34:30Bill Simmons?

  The legs behind the-

• 1:34:31Speaker 07

  She was a memorable, a memorable sexual encounter. That's, that's clear. Yeah.

• 1:34:36Bill Simmons?

  But then, you know, Jerry Fleck took her heart.

• 1:34:39Speaker 07

  Locked it down. Locked it down with his two left feet.

• 1:34:42Bill Simmons?

  It's kind of a Casanova himself. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? It's clearly Busy Bee.

• 1:34:49Speaker 07

  Has to be Busy Bee.

• 1:34:50Bill Simmons?

  If I brought Busy Bee in right now and said I'd bought it from an auction nine years ago, you'd have a stroke.

• 1:34:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'd die.

• 1:34:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  If it's not Busy Bee, it might be the traveling quilts that they nail up behind their bed in the hotel room. They're only there for two nights, and they brought their quilt from home to hang up behind the bed.

• 1:35:06Bill Simmons?

  There's one other thing, the, the giant framed American bitch magazine.

• 1:35:09Speaker 07

  I thought you were gonna pick that, yeah. American bitch, the dog magazine for women and their dogs.

• 1:35:16Bill Simmons?

  Great title.

• 1:35:17Speaker 07

  So good. Also, anything, uh, in, in-

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  In the Swan household, everything they have there is like from the Sharper Image catalog. So any of the vintage Sharper Image items in there, the massage chair, something like that. The kickboxing dummy.

• 1:35:31Speaker 07

  It's very scary.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Very alarming. Yeah.

• 1:35:34Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock award for best life lesson. I mean, there's a lesson, which is we need more mockumentaries. The life lesson would be, hey, even if you have two left feet.

• 1:35:43Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:35:43Bill Simmons?

  There's hope in sight.

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  That's really sweet.

• 1:35:46Speaker 07

  Really touching. I like that. I was gonna say.

• 1:35:47Bill Simmons?

  You never know when you're needed in a dog show.

• 1:35:49Speaker 07

  If you get the chance to fuck Cookie Google, then you better do it.

• 1:35:53Speaker 03

  What about always have a backup of your pet or child's favorite toy?

• 1:35:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, don't leave home without.

• 1:35:57Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's really sweet, especially going to a dog show.

• 1:35:59Speaker 07

  You can never pack too many kimonos?

• 1:36:02Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:36:02Speaker 07

  That's another life lesson?

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:36:04Speaker 07

  Certainly.

• 1:36:04Bill Simmons?

  We have this wishbone toy from Murph and we have like nine of them.

• 1:36:07Speaker 07

  There you go. Yeah.

• 1:36:08Bill Simmons?

  And then sometimes they'll just triple down on the wishbones.

• 1:36:11Speaker 07

  We do that with Halo's min stick.

• 1:36:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:13Speaker 07

  Cannot risk running out of a min stick.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  My, my youngest cousin had this like puffy and there were like nine different puffies and they were all bedraggled.

• 1:36:21Bill Simmons?

  Cause it turns out pets are dumb and they don't know there's multiple versions of the same.

• 1:36:24Speaker 07

  That is not true.

• 1:36:25Bill Simmons?

  Best double feature choice?

• 1:36:28Speaker 03

  Why don't we get a marathon? Do Waiting for Guffman, Fashion Show, Mighty Win?

• 1:36:32Bill Simmons?

  I think you go Guffman here.

• 1:36:34Speaker 07

  I like that.

• 1:36:35Bill Simmons?

  Fishes too.

• 1:36:35Speaker 07

  I, I, if we're allowed to mix movies and TV, I would like to go from this right into a Schitt's Creek rewatch, but.

• 1:36:41Bill Simmons?

  We're not allowed. Who won the movie?

• 1:36:44Speaker 07

  I, I can't decide between, I think it's Higgins. Higgins, Posey, O'Hara and Willard. I just can't decide. They're all incredible.

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  It's, for me, it's Higgins or Willard, but I think it's Willard because he's more known for how good he was in the movie than Higgins is. Higgins is like the stealth, I've seen this movie so many times, choice. But Willard's like, people kind of know this.

• 1:37:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:37:08Bill Simmons?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:37:09Speaker 07

  Yeah. Like if you see clips from this movie, it's, it's him.

• 1:37:12Bill Simmons?

  Or it's, or it's somebody mentioning him.

• 1:37:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:37:15Bill Simmons?

  All right. Big moment. Producer Craig, he's missed a couple. He's been traveling. He's busy.

• 1:37:21Speaker 07

  And this is your first.

• 1:37:21Speaker 03

  Busy bee.

• 1:37:22Speaker 07

  Oh, and this is your first time watching it?

• 1:37:24Speaker 03

  That's right. Yeah. Uh, this is one of Liz's favorite movies and I.

• 1:37:27Speaker 04

  I don't know. I can't believe I missed the Best in Show wave. I don't know why. I've like always known about it. I've always been circling it. Very happy I got to watch it. I mean, I thought it was hilarious. Every character is worthy of their own movie, honestly. Like, you could have every, you could have a spinoff for every single character. What, one thing I think this comedy does really well that most don't is third acts of comedies are usually the worst part of every comedy movie. And it's the exact opposite in this film. Like, I think it actually builds suspense and stays funny, which is incredibly hard, especially with improv. And I think in general with improv, I think it's definitely the purest form of comedy. And watching it work is better than watching something scripted work. It's like, I was telling Joe and Mal earlier, it's like sports, where watching professionals play sports

• 1:38:13Speaker 04

  is like watching professionals do improv, where the amateur version of it is truly unwatchable. Like, bad improv is terrible. But good improv is better than scripted comedy, in my opinion. So I absolutely love this. I do worry about, as Mal pointed out, I am 30. I'm not, I'm not 20. So I don't really represent Gen Z. But Bill, I kind of think this comedy is for adults. Not because of necessarily the subject matter, but I don't know if a 15-year-old, like, I think a 15-year-old would like Anchorman. I don't know if a 15-year-old would like this movie, and I don't even really know why.

• 1:38:45Bill Simmons?

  I think you're right. It's a little bit more mature.

• 1:38:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's not even the subject matter. It's, I mean, it's PG.

• 1:38:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Speaker 04

  But for some reason, I don't know if it translates down to, like, teens.

• 1:38:56Bill Simmons?

  The only thing I worried about it was whether, because the dog community is so weird and in so many different places on social media now, it's like people have a better handle on it. Have seen this level of weirdness. This movie seems less weird if you just are on Instagram reels for an hour.

• 1:39:13Speaker 04

  I guess also, this movie made $20 million in America in the year 2000 with no big star in it. Which is just like, 20 million is more than a Nora or a Brutus made domestically.

• 1:39:23Bill Simmons?

  Is that true?

• 1:39:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Oh, my God. That's wild.

• 1:39:25Speaker 04

  That's unbelievable.

• 1:39:27Bill Simmons?

  That's great. Did you have any Rocky thoughts while you're here?

• 1:39:30Speaker 04

  I mean, I love Rocky. I've seen it a million times. I do think it's like Austin Powers one, though, where when you go back and watch it, you're like, wow, this is way slower than I remember it being in my head. And two, three, and four actually move a bit quicker.

• 1:39:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:43Speaker 04

  Um, also, this movie is the greatest that guy movie of all time, I think.

• 1:39:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  Best in show. It's Hall of Fame. Cause I think, as you know, I think your guys' bar for who qualifies as a that guy is way too fucking high. Like Ed Begley is a that guy. Like my, every normal person in the world is, does not know it's Ed Begley.

• 1:39:59Speaker 07

  Fragg.

• 1:40:00Speaker 04

  Come on, you guys, John Michael Higgins, Fred Willard.

• 1:40:04Bill Simmons?

  John Michael Higgins isn't that guy.

• 1:40:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:06Speaker 04

  I would, even the average person, I would say, could not just immediately name Catherine O'Hara.

• 1:40:11Speaker 07

  That is not true.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  That's not true after Schitt's Creek.

• 1:40:13Speaker 04

  We work at The Ringer. We work at The Ringer.

• 1:40:15Speaker 03

  After Schitt's Creek, that's not true.

• 1:40:16Speaker 04

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:40:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, no, he's making it, he's, it's a fair case that normal people.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  No, not after Schitt's Creek.

• 1:40:22Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara.

• 1:40:24Speaker 07

  Schitt's Creek is one of the most popular beloved shows of the last decade.

• 1:40:26Speaker 04

  That's fine, that's fine.

• 1:40:27Speaker 07

  She's the mom in Home Alone.

• 1:40:29Bill Simmons?

  Well, would this movie came out?

• 1:40:30Speaker 04

  Absolutely, when this movie came out.

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:40:31Bill Simmons?

  Just not everybody was a that guy.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Bill Simmons?

  Everybody was a that guy in this movie.

• 1:40:35Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:36Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:40:36Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:40:36Speaker 07

  But we are recording this podcast in 2025.

• 1:40:39Speaker 04

  I just, I just always love when it's like, is Bob Balaban a that guy? No, he's Bob Balaban. I'm like, there's no normal person who's like, that's Bob Balaban.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  I love Bob Balaban.

• 1:40:49Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 1:40:51Speaker 03

  Severance star Bob Balaban?

• 1:40:52Speaker 07

  It's valuable feedback, Craig.

• 1:40:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, all these people are bad guys. Um, wait, there's one more thing I saw, uh, like researching this movie. Did you know that Ariana Grande is a massive fan of this film?

• 1:41:04Speaker 03

  That tracks.

• 1:41:05Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  She did a YouTube parody with her friend and co-star from the TV show she was on. Was it Victorious? I forget the name of it.

• 1:41:12Speaker 03

  Cat and something, right?

• 1:41:14Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe it was that one. But they do a 10-minute remake, like a recreation where she plays Jennifer Coolidge, cause she can obviously do that impression. And she also plays Jerry and her co-star plays Cookie and, and, uh, and Max. And it's hilarious and it made me think that we should, we, there should be a full remake of this movie with a completely different plot and younger, new actors.

• 1:41:38Speaker 07

  How dare you?

• 1:41:39Speaker 04

  It's not, it wouldn't be about. Dog show, it's just like Christopher Guest doing something like this again with like

• 1:41:45Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:41:46Speaker 04

  ushering in a new young cast.

• 1:41:47Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:41:48Speaker 04

  To try something like this.

• 1:41:49Speaker 07

  That would be great, but a remake?

• 1:41:51Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's a re- a new movie.

• 1:41:52Speaker 04

  It's like in the universe.

• 1:41:53Bill Simmons?

  In the universe.

• 1:41:54Speaker 07

  I would like that. I would like, uh, I would like to, to be in the world, but also to check in with the characters. Like, what are the flex up to 25 years later?

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  Oh, see, I don't want that. I, I hate the rehashing.

• 1:42:06Speaker 07

  No, but what if we did Best in Show? What if we did Best in Show Two?

• 1:42:12Bill Simmons?

  Cookie flexing mature porn.

• 1:42:14Speaker 07

  But like, our original cast members could be around.

• 1:42:17Speaker 04

  Maybe Cookie and Jerry run the dog show or something and you can check in with them.

• 1:42:22Speaker 07

  Exactly. Yeah. The Cobra Kai Comp is a great one.

• 1:42:24Bill Simmons?

  Last question.

• 1:42:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:25Bill Simmons?

  Did, uh, who is Liz Kelly's favorite character in this movie?

• 1:42:28Speaker 04

  Um, who did she laugh at the most? I would say Catherine O'Hara hurting her knee was up there. And then honestly, we both died at Max berating his son on the, on the shed.

• 1:42:40Speaker 07

  Just me alone on this island. That's fine.

• 1:42:46Bill Simmons?

  It's just so good.

• 1:42:47Speaker 04

  It's so good. That guy's the perfect cast for that role.

• 1:42:51Bill Simmons?

  All right. That's it for the rewatchables produced by Craig Royalbeck. You can watch those video on Spotify. You can watch them on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well. You can see these two on House of R.

• 1:43:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:43:00Bill Simmons?

  And on Prestige.

• 1:43:02Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 1:43:03Bill Simmons?

  White Lotus, as we're taping this, so this will run on Mondays. There have been

• 1:43:07Speaker 07

  Four.

• 1:43:08Bill Simmons?

  Four episodes heading toward a monster fifth episode on a show we like very much. Thanks, guys. Good to see you.

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