Episode 401: Dr. Mark Hyman: Why Only 6.8% of Americans are Healthy + His Recommended Anti-Aging Solutions

Is 93.2% of America metabolically unhealthy? According to Dr. Mark Hyman, yes. In this Habits and Hustle episode, I am joined by functional medicine pioneer Dr. Mark Hyman, to discuss America's declining health due to our ultra-processed diet and lifestyle choices. We dive into why we need simple changes to food quality, his practical approach to supplements, and controversial topics like Ozempic. We also discuss an exclusive discount code for listeners to get early access to Dr. Hyman's comprehensive health testing. Mark Hyman, MD is a practicing family physician and an internationally recognized leader, speaker, educator, and advocate in the field of Functional Medicine. He is the founder and director of The UltraWellness Center, Founder and Senior Advisor for the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine, a fifteen-time New York Times best-selling author, and Board President for Clinical Affairs for The Institute for Functional Medicine. He is the founder and chairman of the Food Fix Campaign, dedicated to transforming our food and agriculture system through policy. He is a co-founder and the Chief Medical Officer of Function Health. He is the host of one of the leading health podcasts, The Doctor's Farmacy with 150+ million downloads. Dr. Hyman is a regular medical contributor to several television shows and networks, including CBS This Morning, Today, Good Morning America, The View, Fox, and CNN. What We Discuss: (00:00) Longevity, Aging, and Wellness (10:16) Functional Medicine and Inflammation Reset (15:47) Protein, Strength, and Cardio for Aging (25:25) Personalized Nutrition and Health Monitoring (35:23) Comprehensive Personalized Health Testing and Insights (48:00) America's Obesity Crisis and Chronic Disease (01:02:02) Body-Mind Connection in Longevity …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: AquaTru: Get 20% off any purifier at aquatru.com http://aquatru.com with code HUSTLE Therasage: Head over to therasage.com http://therasage.com/ and use code Be Bold for 15% off TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com http://truniagen.com/ and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www http://www/.magicmind.com http://magicmind.com//jen and use code Jen at checkout. BiOptimizers: Want to try Magnesium Breakthrough? Go to https://bioptimizers.com/jennifercohen and use promo code JC10 at checkout to save 10% off your purchase. Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen http://timeline.com/cohen Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com http://airdoctorpro.com/ and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Dr. Mark Hyman: Website: https://drhyman.com/ www.functionhealth.com http://www.functionhealth.com use code HUSTLE100 to save Podcast: The Doctor's Pharmacy https://drhyman.com/blogs/content/tagged/podcast

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Hi guys, this is Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

• 0:09Jen Cohen?

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• 1:31Jen Cohen?

  You guys, this is a big treat for me. I wasn't just saying that on the story, the Instagram story. We have Dr. Mark Hyman on the podcast today. And guys, I'm sure you know who he is. He's probably the most famous doctor, I think I know. I've known about you for 100 years.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  At least 100.

• 1:48Jen Cohen?

  At least 100. He's written 18 New York Times, 19? 19 New York Times bestselling books. He is an MD and a functional medicine doctor, right?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Same thing, yeah.

• 1:58Jen Cohen?

  Same thing. Well, I mean, it's you have the both. You have the eastern and the western.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Well, functional medicine is fully western. It's fully science based. It's not, you know, acupuncture and Ayurveda. I'm gonna explain that if you want.

• 2:09Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, well, only explain it because people always, I think, I know it's maybe changed a little bit in terms of the perception, but like people are like, oh, I'm an M D or I'm a whatever I am. But I want to go on about all your accolades. The biggest, by the way, is he walked in, he looks like he's like thirty years younger than he actually is. So everything you're doing, I need to know about it. It is unbelievable. He's like a fountain wealth of information. So I don't even know where to begin, except for what are you doing every day to look this good, this young? You are a walking longevity poster child.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  He'll only be one hundred and thirteen next week. So it's really.

• 2:47Jen Cohen?

  No, no, but do you mind saying how old you are?

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I'm gonna be sixty five in a month. Yeah.

• 2:52Jen Cohen?

  And you, do you feel like you are aging backwards that?

• 2:56Speaker 02

  I am actually. I just, in the last two years, I did my biological age test, which is measuring your DNA methylation, which looks at your epigenetics, which is how your genes are controlled and they're influenced by your environment and your lifestyle. So they're highly modifiable. You can't change how old I am on the birthday calendar.

• 3:13Jen Cohen?

  Right, on this.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  But I can change what's going on under the skin.

• 3:16Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  And so when I was sixty two, I did my biological age test and I was forty three, which I thought was pretty good. And then I did a whole bunch of things over the last few years. I wrote a book called Young Forever.

• 3:27Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Which helped me actually get deeper into the science of longevity. And I implemented a whole bunch of treatments and I redid the test at sixty four and I went backwards four years. So now I'm thirty nine biologically.

• 3:42Jen Cohen?

  Are you kidding me?

• 3:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:44Jen Cohen?

  Oh, my God. So like, so like Brian Johnson has nothing on you, right? Like?

• 3:48Speaker 02

  Well, I got a bigger spread in my age, but he's younger. So I don't know.

• 3:51Jen Cohen?

  Well, he's, yeah, that's my whole point. Like, that's a, that's a massive difference. So what did you do different in those few years?

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Well, I ramped up my strength training, my protein intake. I increased my intake of a number of compounds that have been well researched around longevity, like urolithin A and NMN. And I did also a whole bunch of senolytic herbs and treatments like fysetin. I also started to do various treatments like plazinfreesis. I started rapamycin. I did a whole bunch of things that I think are, you know, still in the research phase. So I'm my own guinea pig. I don't necessarily recommend it to all my patients, but just to try it. But I I'm always willing to sort of put myself out there and see what happens. So I was like, wow, that's pretty good.

• 4:35Jen Cohen?

  Wow. Okay. So you said a bunch of things. So urolithin A, I was told by them actually, that it actually helps to build muscle after thirty years. Is that true?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. So yeah, so you know, it's fascinating story, you know, backing up a little bit, you know, you know, as I began to dive into the research around longevity, it was really clear to me that there was a biological system that we all have that's all built in from basically worms and yeast organisms all the way to humans that are conserved, that are survival pathways, that are pathways designed to heal, regenerate, repair, renew, and upgrade our biology. So whenever we had stresses and we were starving, when we didn't have enough food or too much for that, our bodies learned how to adapt in a way that made us stronger. And so I call these the longevity switches. And and they only recently have been

• 5:28Speaker 02

  mapped out and how they interact has been mapped out and what affects them has been mapped out. And they're part of what we call the hallmarks of aging, which are these fundamental things that go wrong as we get older, that underlie all disease. So if I if I said you, what are the biggest killers in the world? You'd say, oh, yeah, heart disease and cancer. And I said, well, if I had a magic wand and I could just get rid of heart disease and cancer from the face of the planet, how much longer would we live? Well, probably only five to seven years longer. But if we address the root causes of aging itself, which is not a, you know, normal phenomena, like the process of getting older, we can't do anything about on the clock, right? I was born a certain day.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  I'm getting old every year, but the biological process of aging in the way we experience it in the West is not normal. You know, you see people who are 100 years old or riding horses or hiking mountains, running races, you know, when all these are outliers. But no, they are people who actually are taking advantage of things because of what they've learned of their lifestyle to actually activate these longevity pathways. So, you know, we, we see people become decrepit, frail, diseased. People spend the last 20% of their life in poor health or health span is shorter than the lifespan. Meaning they, they, they are okay for a bunch of life and then they get sick and the last 20% of their life is spent with chronic disease, which is affecting so many people now.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  And, and when you address these hallmarks of aging, these fundamental mechanisms that we can talk about, you actually can extend life by 20 or 30 years, right? So maybe for me, that would be maybe getting to 110 or 120, right? So from maybe 40 years. So we're now discovering what those are. There's been billions of dollars now spent on aging and longevity research. It was a neglected science. It wasn't even something that people thought of studying. It wasn't considered a problem, but it is. Like the, the decline, decrepit to disease, frailty that happens as we get older is not an eternal part of aging. It's a consequence of bad inputs that cause our biology to malfunction that we think is normal.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  So just at a high level, these longevity switches are, are part of these, these hallmarks of aging. And one of the key pathways is we call in longevity sort of hallmarks of aging is deregulated nutrient sensing, which is a big mouthful, but essentially it means how our bodies regulate different phenomena that have to do with what we're eating. Right? So inflammation and some resistance, muscle building, autophagy or cell cleanup, antioxidant pathways, DNA repair pathways. So there's all these incredible longevity switches and there's four of them. And what has to do with insulin signaling and blood sugar, what has to do with mTOR, which has to do with basically building muscle or inducing autophagy, which is clean cellular cleanup.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  One has to do with AMPK, which is also about blood sugar or sirtuins. These are things that are now well studied. And so a lot of the interventions that I did were to regulate these longevity switches in a scientific way. So now backing into your question, urolithin A is a molecule that works on these longevity switches. And this is kind of mind blowing. When you think about like nature and how we evolve, like, how does a molecule from a plant, like a pomegranate, end up changing our biology in a way that actually makes us live longer, that reduces inflammation, that builds muscle, that increases our exercise performance,

• 8:51Speaker 02

  that increases our VO2 max, that helps reduce muscle loss, that has all these incredible benefits? How does that know what to do? What happens when you eat pomegranate or similar plants like berries? They have something called a lactic acid. And when you have a healthy microbiome, which most of us don't, that becomes converted by healthy bacteria into a molecule called urolithinate. Now, most of us don't do that because we, even if we eat pomegranate, we have a messed up microbiome because, you know, I did a talk the other day to a thousand people and I asked everybody to raise their hand if they'd never taken antibiotics. There wasn't a single person that raised their hand. Everybody, everybody's taken an antibiotic at some point, somehow. And so, you know, when you destroy your microbiome

• 9:33Speaker 02

  because you take an antibiotic or you affect it, then you can't make, so if you take this as a supplement, it induces mitophagy, which is cleaning up of your mitochondria that make energy. It reduces inflammation. It helps build muscle. It inhibits mTOR, which uses autophagy. So it has all these incredible benefits.

• 9:52Jen Cohen?

  But is there things we can do without supplementing? I know you wrote a book about food for medicine and all these things. Like, if we just eat a bunch of pomegranates, I know that's not going to be the answer. But at the core root, you said, you said something and I was going to even ask you about it was, at the core, the root cause of a lot of problems, I was under the impression is inflammation, right?

• 10:13Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 10:14Jen Cohen?

  And so what can people do who don't have access to supplements? Who don't have access to all the fancy latest and greatest? What are like easy strategies, let's just say, like, simple things that people can do to help reduce their inflammation?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Great question. So as a functional medicine doctor, which we can talk about what that is, but essentially by looking at root causes, it's looking at the science of creating health, is asking why, why do you have this problem? Not what disease do you have and what drug do I give? It's understanding the body, the network is a system and and restoring the ecosystem of your body to be healthy. And we we go to doctors for every different part of our body. Every organ has a different doctor.

• 10:54Jen Cohen?

  Exactly.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  But they're all connected. Your body is one system. And so functional medicine is really systems medicine. And it's a way of thinking. It's not a particular specialty or modality or treatment. It can be anything from, you know, exercise to exorcism, whatever the treatment is that works for the patient, I'm going to use it. So in functional medicine, the framework really that we use is looking at these fundamental systems that go wrong. And one of them is our immune system and inflammation is really the underlying biology of almost all chronic diseases and most diseases, including obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, autism, depression, autoimmune disease, allergies, gut issues, I mean, the list goes on, skin problems, it's all inflammation. So the question is, you know, what's causing inflammation? That's really what functional medicine does. It gets to the why, the what's the cause?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  And, you know, the the big cause for most of us is really our our diet and our gut microbiome. It's kind of right and environmental toxins. Those are the big three.

• 11:46Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Toxins are harder to deal with. You can really address your gut microbiome. And the diet is the biggest factor. And so I I and practicing functional medicine for almost thirty plus years now, more more than thirty years, I guess. I I've really come to understand that, you know, if you do a short term reset with an elimination diet, an anti-inflammatory diet that supports your microbiome, that lowers your blood sugar, that gets rid of all the excess inflammation in your body, that so many things get better. So I I wrote a book ten years ago called the the ten day detox diet.

• 12:17Jen Cohen?

  Do you remember all the titles of the book? So many.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Barely, barely.

• 12:20Jen Cohen?

  I know.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Uh, and essentially it was, it it grew out of my experience with my patients where I was treating people with complex chronic illness and it was it was trying to get them to reset their body to the original factory settings. See if we clean up their diet and took away every possible thing that could be driving inflammation, what would happen? And how fast would they get better? And so it was so profound in the results that I just I wrote a book about it so that everybody could access it.

• 12:45Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  And actually it's fine. In January, they should be launching a online program to help you. People do this together in community, call the 10 day detox and, and you can go to drhyman.com to learn more about it. But basically, basically what, what this is, is eliminating the foods that, that are the most inflammatory. So ultra-processed food, which was 60% of our diet, which is not really food by definition. It's just science projects, sugar and starch, which are really the drivers of so much inflammation in our body. Gluten and dairy, which are the other two big factors. And, and also we get rid of grains and beans, not that they're bad, but for some people, they create inflammation. And it's like just trying to get everything off, right? And just doing incrementally.

• 13:26Jen Cohen?

  What do you, do you do it one at a time or everything together?

• 13:29Speaker 02

  No, no, everything together because, you know, people do, oh, I'm just gonna like do one thing and then see what's happening. Do nothing but if you have three or five things that are bothering you, you're taking out one or two, you're not going to feel better. Right?

• 13:40Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  There's a rule in functional medicine called the TAC rules. My mentor Sidney Baker, basically you're standing on a TAC, it takes a lot of acid to make you feel better. So take out the TAC, get rid of the cost. And you're standing on two TACs, taking one of them out, doesn't make you 50% better. Right? So if you're, if you're allergic to gluten and dairy, or you're sensitive to gluten and dairy, and you take out gluten, you're not going to get 50% better because you're still reacting to dairy.

• 14:01Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  So this diet is really a way to reset everything. Those basically protein, veggies, lots of good fats, nuts and seeds, berries, whole foods, delicious, non-deprivation diet, not a calorie restriction diet, you can eat as much as you want. And what happens is in 10 days is remarkable in terms of inflammation. Not only do people lose a ton of fluid and weight and inflammation, but they have a reduction in all symptoms from all diseases by between 60 and 70%, whether it's a migraine, or it'll bowel, or depression, or joint pain, or headaches, or whatever it is, congestion, sinus issues, it's remarkable how fast it works to just get inflammation out of your system. So you can just do this food base and after 10 days you'll know. Now, if you don't get better, there's something else going on.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  You could have Lyme disease, you got a mold exposure, you could have metal toxicity, you could have severe gut issues that need to be treated more directly, you know, but most people will get a significant improvement.

• 14:53Jen Cohen?

  So what are they eating instead if they're taking out that's like everything if you're not eating

• 14:57Speaker 02

  Not everything, no you're

• 14:58Jen Cohen?

  What are you eating? Air? Drinking water?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  No, you eat what, what basically, you ask how I'm like, look what I look like.

• 15:05Jen Cohen?

  I, I guess, tell me what you eat every day. In the morning, what are you eating?

• 15:08Speaker 02

  In the morning, I have a protein shake, usually after a workout.

• 15:11Jen Cohen?

  What do you put in the protein shake?

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Well, I use Goat Way, which is dairy, but it's a very low inflammation type of dairy, but you can use other

• 15:19Jen Cohen?

  Goat Way? Where do you get this from?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Amazon.

• 15:22Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're generally raised Goat Way. There's Mount Capra, there's Naked Goat, there's a lot of brands out there.

• 15:27Jen Cohen?

  And what's the benefit of Goat Way versus?

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Regular way, regular way is usually factory farmed cows, which is just criminal.

• 15:34Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Two, it's got lots of hormones, antibiotics, pesticides they use in the growing of it. Three, it's got, it's coming from cows that are more modern cows that are hybridized to produce a certain type of casein in the milk, which is A1 casein, it's very inflammatory. So goats have A2 casein, so the sheep, less inflammatory and better tolerated. So that's why, but, but then you don't, you don't have to have dairy, you could, you could make it with nuts and seeds and

• 15:59Jen Cohen?

  Oh wait, hold on, let's still make questions. I mean, there's so much information. Okay, so Goat Way. How about like, what, what would you say compared that to, let's say almond milk or, you know, cashew milk, alternative milk?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Those are, those are really just not high protein things. Protein is key. So as you get older, you need about a gram per pound of ideal body weight.

• 16:21Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Which is a lot more than people are drink eating.

• 16:24Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  The RDA, the recommended dietary allowance is point eight grams per kilo, not per pound.

• 16:29Jen Cohen?

  Oh, wow. Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Right? So it's far less. Now you have to understand how they came up with these guidelines. These guidelines are designed to prevent a deficiency disease. So how do you not get protein deficiency? You don't need that much. How much you need for optimal health? Very different number.

• 16:45Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  How much vitamin D do you need to not get rickets? Not much, 30 units.

• 16:49Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Rickets is when your bones bend and you get, you know, which is vitamin D deficiency.

• 16:53Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  How much vitamin D you need not get osteoporosis or to build your immune system or not get COVID or the flu? Probably four to 5,000, over a hundred times that dose.

• 17:03Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Right. So.

• 17:04Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  So the deficiency, the numbers for the recommended dietary intake or allowance are based on deficiencies. How much vitamin C do you need to not get scurvy? Not what you need for optimal health.

• 17:13Jen Cohen?

  Right. Optimization and deficiencies very.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Very different. Right. And so protein is really key and you need bioavailable protein, especially as you get older. You need a certain amount of an amino acid that stimulates one of the longevity switches called mTOR to make muscle. Muscle is the currency of longevity. Without muscle, you become frail and weak and disabled. The reason people end up in nursing homes is not because they're sick. It's because they can't tie their shoes or get up out of a chair, get up out of bed.

• 17:40Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Right? It's because they've lost muscle. If you don't do anything, you will lose muscle steadily and progressively every year, starting in your thirties.

• 17:49Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  So you've got to get on it.

• 17:52Jen Cohen?

  Strength training.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Strength training and protein is the magic sauce. So, so you got to do that.

• 17:58Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, you gotta do that.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  That's my breakfast. So.

• 17:59Jen Cohen?

  Well, what are you putting in it? You're putting the.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  I put in, yeah, I put in my whey protein. I put in a mitopure, actually the, the pure lithin A.

• 18:07Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Creatine, which helps build muscle. I also put in, you know, milk, like macadamia milk I like, put in berries and then blend it up.

• 18:14Jen Cohen?

  Every day.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Every day.

• 18:15Jen Cohen?

  Do you eat eggs?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  I eat eggs. So for example, I'm traveling, I'll eat an omelet or I'll have eggs. So that'll be my breakfast. So I'll have more, more other proteins in the morning. And then, you know, lunch and dinner can be like just tons of veggies and protein. So like lunch, I can make a salad. It's really quick. I can make three meals in half an hour total. So like I'm busy. I got a lot going on and I like to cook. So my shake takes me three minutes in the morning. All the ingredients are there in my kitchen. Make it easy. Set myself up for success.

• 18:41Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Lunch, you know, get pre-washed arugula. I'll get little cherry tomatoes, organic. I'll, I'll throw in pumpkin seeds. I'll throw an avocado. I'll throw in olives. I'll throw in a can of wild salmon or mackerel or have a sardines as my protein. And then pour olive oil, vinegar, and you've got a lot of fat. I call my fat salad.

• 19:03Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Lots of fat and lots of veggies, different cucumbers, whatever you want, and carrots. And then dinner is usually a piece of protein and, and regeneratively raised meat if I can get it. Spice and elk medicine, or just to regenerate beef, chicken, pastries, chicken, small fish, and then usually two or three side dishes of veggies. So my main courses are veggies, meat's a side dish, but it's it's at least, you know, six ounces to some of the eight ounces of protein. And then the the doll have roasted mushrooms. I'll have, you know, usually every day, some form of the cruciferous vegetable. So two or three cups of broccoli, or collards, or kale, or Brussels sprouts.

• 19:38Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  And then usually like a Japanese sweet potato, like a purple sweet potato.

• 19:42Jen Cohen?

  I love.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  And that's that's kind of what I eat. And then, you know, a little dark chocolate if I want something sweet.

• 19:47Jen Cohen?

  But this is if you're like, this is for people who are home 24 hours a day. Most people travel, they're working, they're going.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:53Jen Cohen?

  You especially, you're.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'm traveling, you know, I have, I always carry, if you look at my bag, I've got, I mean, I've got enough calories in there. But I don't worry about eating anything the rest of the day. I've got macadamia nuts. I've got, you know, other nuts and seeds in there. So I have basically enough food in my bag. So I don't give them a food emergency. So I don't have to eat crap if I don't want to.

• 20:10Jen Cohen?

  Right. And you don't get like that, like feeling of like, yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  And then, you know, usually wherever I go, you can order protein and veggies, you know, give me a salad, give me extra veggies, three sides of veggies. Not that hard. You just have to ask.

• 20:21Jen Cohen?

  Right. You just have to ask. What about fruit? You didn't mention any fruit.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Fruit's fine. So I berries in the morning, I'll have fruit. And I think fruit can be fine. You know, I think for, I think, you know, fruit juice is not good.

• 20:31Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right. Of course. Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  You can eat an apple, but don't have apple juice.

• 20:35Jen Cohen?

  Right. But in terms of like grapes, mangoes, like things are high, high, high sugar.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  So if you're eating fruit, you know, it depends on the volume, right? Especially there's like grapes and melons and pineapple and things like that. Bananas are high, higher glycemic index. So you want to be careful with those. You can enjoy them, but don't like pig out.

• 20:51Jen Cohen?

  Right. Well, I ask because, you know, there's a controversy kind of because people like, don't eat fruit because it's very high in sugar, obviously. Others are like, you never see a fat person who only eats fruit. But I will say, I'm a massive fruit eater. I love fruit. And I do gain weight if I eat like, I love grapes. I can have five pounds of grapes in two seconds.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Well, that's a problem, right?

• 21:11Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  It's just a dose, with the dose, right?

• 21:13Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, it's all about like how much you're eating of everything, right?

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 21:17Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so let's go back then. So that's what you eat every day. That that makes sense. Now, what about strength training? You say you're doing it how many times? Because you're very, very lean and thin.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I do probably four times a week. I have a routine. I do different bands and I do a whole bunch of different routines. So I travel with it. So when I'm home, I have a home gym. So I have equipment. I have weights. I have all this stuff. But when I travel, I just bring my bands, which basically takes a pound, maybe or less.

• 21:43Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Takes up this much space. I put it in my suitcase and all I need is a door and a floor. So if I can hook the thing, the doorknob, I can get resistance.

• 21:52Jen Cohen?

  That's what you're doing?

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:53Jen Cohen?

  How about cardio? There's all this controversy over cardio, especially as we age, right? Though people say that cardio breaks down muscle mass, right? So as we age, I do believe that cardio is something that we should all be doing.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  I mean, you can't just pick one form of training. You need, you know, VO2 max is a really important number. This is a number that measures your mitochondrial function. Your mitochondria are the key to healthy aging. Probably why your L-10A works and exercise works and strength training works. VO2 max is correlated directly with longevity. So if you look at your ability to burn oxygen per minute, which is a measure of how, you see, like, if you look at Lance Armstrong, for example, he had VO2 max in the 90s. I mean, he could just go, go, go, like, you know, like Energizer Bunny, whereas, you know, the average 30-year-old has a VO2 max in the 30s.

• 22:39Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right. Exactly. By the way, Lance still has a crazy VO team. Like, he's.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, mine's like 45.

• 22:46Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Even at 65, you can train to get it.

• 22:49Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  To go up. And the longer, the higher it is, the longer you live. And to do that, you need to do cardio and you do interval training. So you kind of push and stress yourself. So you can do half an hour, two or three times a week of that, and that'll get you pretty good. You do as fast as you can for 45 seconds to a minute, then slow for three minutes. Do it again. You can do it on a treadmill and a bike. It's like sprinting. You know, we used to call it wind sprints in high school.

• 23:10Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right. I remember that. Do you still, okay, so let's just talk about the law, about, and we're still on inflammation. Okay, so for inflammation, that make, you said all the things about that. Is there anything else we can do? Cause like supplements, I know, like, you know, is there, let's.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  I mean, if you just take multivitamin, fish oil and vitamin D, you know, less than a dollar a day, you can.

• 23:30Jen Cohen?

  You can do all these things.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, a dollar a day is not nothing, but you know, think of what people spend on their coffee or their. Or just junk or their Netflix subscription. I mean, like, what do you want to invest in your, you know, invest in your health? You pay now or pay later?

• 23:42Jen Cohen?

  Well, I think the problem is that right now we're we're so inundated with information, right? Especially with social media. Everyone talks about this supplement, that supplement, do this, don't do that, do more of that, like, and things ebb and flow and trend, right? So like things that we talked about, remember when carbs was a thing that we should be doing and not eating all this protein?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:01Jen Cohen?

  Are there things that kind of like you've learned in your whole, in in your evolution that you're like, wow, this is, I was totally wrong about this. That was completely, this is the way. And what are things like intermittent fasting? For example, like, what is your, what's your thoughts on things that are so trendy now? That I feel have had a little bit of a backlash to some people?

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I think what sells books and what gets people to click on social media is is extremes. So you've got carnivores on one side, the vegans on the other side. And, you know, like, it's kind of extreme. And I think, I think I take a more middle of the road position based on the the science, which is,

• 24:42Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  You know, one, you know, there's certain principles that you follow that that are allow you to have a wide variety of diets, culturally different diets, personal preference differences that you might like. But the principles should be the same. One, food is medicine. So you have to understand every bite you take is information. And it's regulating your biology with every single bite and changing your gene expression, your epigenome, your hormones, your brain chemistry, your metabolism, your microbiome, immune system. Everything is literally affected in real time by every single bite of food you have. So the quality of your food matters. Second is, and that food is information and it can upgrade your downgrade your biology with every bite. Second is that we should think about nutrition from the perspective of personalized nutrition.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Everybody's different. Some people are great on a vegan diet. Some people get really sick on a vegan diet. Some people need more protein. Some people need more fat. Some people need more carbs. And there's now genetics we can do to actually see what what people do better on or worse on. And what people respond better to or worse to. And then, you know, thirdly, it's really a simple principle. Eat real food, like don't eat stuff that's not food.

• 25:48Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  You know, ultra-processed food is not food. A pop tart is actually not food. It's made from deconstructed science ingredients that have been processed from commodity crops, broken down to their chemical individual components. The chemical structures have been changed, so it's not actually even the same molecular structure.

• 26:08Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  And it reassembled into all sizes, colors, shapes of chemically extruded food-like substances that have nothing to do with nutrition, don't actually meet the definition of food. If you look at the Webster's definition of food.

• 26:19Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  It's basically some, something that supports the health and growth of an organism. Well, these don't. They do the opposite, right? And so technically, we're not actually eating food. So eat food.

• 26:30Jen Cohen?

  Right, eat food.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  I mean, Michael Pollan said, eat food, not too much, mostly plants, you know?

• 26:34Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, that's what he, but he says all plants and there are people who think.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  No, he didn't say all plants.

• 26:38Jen Cohen?

  Mostly plants.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Mostly plants.

• 26:39Jen Cohen?

  He said, he said mostly plants. What about microwaving your food? Cause it changes the molecular structure.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  You know, heating stuff up for a few seconds is fine, but like if you're cooking food in a microwave, it's a bad idea because you get the production of something called ages or advanced glycation end products. Essentially, it's like, think about like a crispy skin on a chicken or creme brulee. And this is the proteins and sugars combining in a way that creates a harmful inflammatory compound in the body. And so a lot of aging is caused by these compounds. And hemoglobin A1C, which is your blood sugar average, is an example of one of those, but there's many. And they, they bind to receptors, they activate inflammation, and so they just create this vicious cycle. So for sure, don't cook in a microwave, for sure, don't even heat up anything in plastic in a microwave. That's a disaster. If you're putting microwave stuff in plastic with the plastic cover on, it's like, oh my God.

• 27:27Jen Cohen?

  It's terrible.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  It's so bad.

• 27:29Jen Cohen?

  But you, would you, would you ever microwave your food for like a minute? Like that's.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. So like if I'm lazy and like I'm in a hurry, I might like throw a sweet potato in there or something for, that's already cooked. I might warm it up or something like that, but.

• 27:41Jen Cohen?

  Cause I got rid of mine thinking that it was like very dangerous.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  I mean, listen, it's, it, I ideally probably know, but like.

• 27:48Jen Cohen?

  Okay. So you're not so crazy one way or the other. Like you are, you are, you do seem a little bit more like middle of the ground.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, like this. It's it's here's the deal. You want to optimize your health. You want to become resilient. You don't want to live in a bubble.

• 28:01Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Like you don't want to be a bubble boy.

• 28:03Jen Cohen?

  No.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  And so there are people who are so fragile, like they can't, you know, go anywhere and they can't travel. They can't stay in a hotel room. Like there may be people who truly have chemical sensitivities and are that sensitive. And I I I'm not saying they're crazy and I treat them as patients and you can get them better. But if you're resilient and healthy, your body can handle a lot. So for example, if you're a diabetic and you have a can of Coke, it'll send you over the limit.

• 28:27Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  But if you're like

• 28:28Jen Cohen?

  A regular.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Someone like me and you work out, you know, five times a week and you strength train and your diet's predominantly like super low sugar and starch, you're insulin resistant, super dialed in, you you have, you know, my insulin levels too. My blood sugar is perfect, you know, my A1C is very low, you know, I I can, you know, have some sweets once in a while. It's not going to kill me.

• 28:47Jen Cohen?

  So you're saying all these numbers, right? Which means that you're monitoring all these

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:52Jen Cohen?

  And stats. So that tells me that you are a big believer in wearables, right? Like, are you wearing a glucose monitor?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:57Jen Cohen?

  Wearing an Oura ring?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:59Jen Cohen?

  Whoop or what is your?

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, test, don't guess is my motto.

• 29:02Jen Cohen?

  I like that.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Guess. And in fact, I co-founded a company called Function Health.

• 29:07Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  To allow people to go deeper. The Oura rings are great. CGMs are great. Uh, woo, you know, Apple Watch all. But skin deep, they're just skin deep.

• 29:16Jen Cohen?

  Yep.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  You know, glucose monitor is a little better because you get a continuous treat of your glucose, but there's so many other biomarkers. So what I realized was that most doctors aren't checking these things. Most patients don't know what to ask for.

• 29:29Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  They do, they have to argue with their doctor to order it because they usually don't know what it is. And then they argue with their insurance company to pay for it, which they usually don't. So we co-founded a company called Function Health that allows people for a dollar thirty seven a day to get twice a year testing of over a hundred and ten biomarkers to give you a profoundly deep view of your health.

• 29:46Jen Cohen?

  That's a lot.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's a bunch of tubes of blood, but basically it's it's giving you a deep insight in your metabolic health. And it's checking things that don't get checked that are the most relevant things.

• 29:56Jen Cohen?

  Like what?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  For example, your metabolic health. People get their cholesterol checked and they just look at the basic numbers. So today I had a patient this morning before I came here who had perfectly normal cholesterol. On the regular cholesterol test, but she had severe metabolic dysfunction because she had high numbers lipid particles and cholesterol particles and small particles. And so we look at a more advanced cholesterol test, look at the size and number and the quality of cholesterol, not just the weight.

• 30:21Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  We look at, let me call ApoB and lipoprotein A, which are really the most important and the most important biomarkers for your risk for a heart attack, not the ones you're getting at your doctor's checkup. That's like a 50 year old test.

• 30:32Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. We're looking at inflammation. We look at autoimmune markers and 30 plus percent of people have an autoimmune biomarker, 13% of autoimmune thyroid disease. We have 46% with high levels of CBRP, which is inflammation. So we check your immune system. We check your toxin levels of heavy metals like mercury and lead. We check your hormones, like male sex hormone, female sex hormones. We look at your cortisol and we look at your metabolic health, insulin, which, you know, we're working with Quest as our provider of the lab testing. So it's not some, you know, it's not some crazy thing. This is like the biggest lab in the country.

• 31:07Jen Cohen?

  In the world. So basically, how does it work? That's what I'm curious about. Do you, do people walk into a Quest?

• 31:12Speaker 02

  I'll tell you, yeah, I'll tell you, it's pretty easy. I just want to finish with the testing. So we do, we do nutritional testing. 67% of people have nutritional deficiencies at the minimum level. We're seeing, you know, so much going on in the, in the, in the dysfunctions that are not being looked at. So the process is very easy. You just go to functionhealth.com. We're in beta now. So you, with your listeners, we provided up

• 31:31Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  early access code, which is hustle100. So

• 31:35Jen Cohen?

  Thank you.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  You go to hustle100, the first 100 listeners to sign up will skip the waitlist, which is 300,000 people.

• 31:42Jen Cohen?

  Okay. Well, listen to that, guys. That's very big. So if you guys use the code hustle100, you skip the 300,000 people guess, wait, waitlist and you get, you get early access?

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then you, once you sign in, a few minutes questionnaire to sort of get your basic demographics and everything. And then you'll get a text from our team. They'll say, okay, you're living this zip code. Your closest lab is a mile away. When do you want your appointment? Okay, Tuesday. Okay, I'll go in on Tuesday, eight o'clock. And you go in, you show them your, there's a little scanning machine. You put your driver's license in there. They register you a second. You walk in, they draw your blood, 10, 15 minutes, you're out. And then the day, all the data gets loaded up into your dashboard, which is data you own. It's your, it's your data that you can track it over time. I mean, I mean, I

• 32:24Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  It's so frustrating for me as a doctor because medicine is so analog.

• 32:28Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  You know, we don't use tech in medicine at all. Like even an electronic medical record is just a paper record.

• 32:34Jen Cohen?

  In the office. Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  And, and so, you know, if I want to know, okay, let me look at your cholesterol. What was it last year and or the year before? And what were the trends? I have to like open a PDF. I have to look at it, try to remember what it said, then I'll come to the new one and look at that one. Compare them all in my head or write it down, which takes me time. It's just a pain in the ass. So this is a beautiful dashboard. You can see your trends over time. You get a deep set of insights. So it's not just a data because that, you know, the average person doesn't know what to do with their data. Right. Doesn't know what the tests mean, but we spent, you know, enormous amounts of time sifting through all the scientific literature, bringing knowledge experts in, including me, and writing, you know, tens of thousands of pages of content that are then become delivered to you based on your biomarkers. So let's say you have an inflammation and your CRP is high. Okay. What does it mean? Why does it matter? Why would it be high?

• 33:21Speaker 02

  How do you figure it out? What do you do about it? What, what would you do from a lifestyle perspective, from a self perspective? What are the diagnostic tests might you need? When you know, need to go to the doctor? And what do you need to be informed with to be able to actually be the best advocate for your own health? Because I believe you should be the C of your own health.

• 33:37Jen Cohen?

  Totally.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Not, not abdicating that to the healthcare system. You know, like my friend, Chris Carr had cancer and she, she, she's incredible woman and she, she was like, she had some really weird rare cancer and they told her she was going to die. And she's like, well, that's not okay.

• 33:49Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  She, she sort of said, joked that she started a new company called Save My Ass Technologies, Inc., you know, like

• 33:55Jen Cohen?

  Oh, my God.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Basically her owning her own health and that's what we all need to do. And our goal at Function Health is to help people through 100 healthy years, which I think is achievable for most people.

• 34:07Jen Cohen?

  That's amazing.

• 34:14Jen Cohen?

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• 34:58Jen Cohen?

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• 35:46Jen Cohen?

  So wait, so after you get all the testing and you have the dashboard, do you have someone who helps you kind of understand? Like, do you get a doctor assigned?

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Well, you get a doc-ization summary of all your results generated, and then you have the insights that are delivered to you personally, like what should you be eating?

• 36:03Jen Cohen?

  That says, this is what you should be doing.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, what lifestyle changes do you need to make? What toxins do you need to avoid? What do you need in terms of exercise? How do you optimize your microbiome if you need to do that? How do you, what supplements might be helpful for a particular issue you have? If your vitamin D is low, how do you know which vitamin D to take? What form of vitamin D? What dose do you take? How do you pick the right supplement? Recommend products.

• 36:22Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Just we don't selling anything other than the service of owning your own data.

• 36:26Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Right. So we're not like hawking different company.

• 36:29Jen Cohen?

  Right, right, right.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  And, and so it's, it's, it's just provides you the, the scientific information. Everything's deeply referenced with scientific literature. All the data is there. You can look at it yourself and then it guides you into a personalized program. And then, you know, there's an interactive app that we're about to launch, which will kind of help, you know, support you in implementing the recommendations.

• 36:48Jen Cohen?

  That's amazing, actually. And I can't believe how many biomarkers you're checking for. That's a lot.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  And then, of course, we already, we added almost another 200 that if you want to do extra stuff, you can. For example, let's say you have a family history of Alzheimer's. You know, blood biomarkers for Alzheimer's disease, which you don't even need a brain scan for. And you have to wait to have memory issues, but you can, you can actually detect things and then do interventions that will reverse those biomarkers and normalize them.

• 37:12Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  We were also measuring, for example, cancer screening. You know, we offer one of the, we're one of the biggest providers in the country of something called Gallery, which is a multi-cancer detection test using fragments of DNA that kind of come off cancer cells you can detect in the blood. It's like a liquid biopsy and it picks up about 50 different cancers. 75% of the time it'll detect it. There's only half a percent false positive rate, which is much better than all their current screening tests. In other words, well, I'm going to do this test. Is it going to show positive, but it's really not a cancer? Very rare to have that happen. One in 188 people who we've been testing actually has a cancer we've identified. And we've saved people's lives that they didn't even know because we're picking it up early. And this takes, detects cancer a year to three years before it shows up anywhere else.

• 37:56Jen Cohen?

  By the way, just in that alone is worth doing it.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, you know, my sister died of cancer. My father died of cancer. You know, they would have not both had died of cancer if they'd had this test.

• 38:07Jen Cohen?

  So you can pick up cancer? You can pick up potential Alzheimer's?

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we're, you know, we're, we're doing a whole bunch of stuff on autoimmune testing, on nutritional testing, on toxin testing. We're now able to test things like PFAS, forever chemicals in your blood, heavy metals, BPA, other chemicals that they're.

• 38:24Jen Cohen?

  I'm going to get this. I'm going to, seriously, I'm going to, by the way, even before you were on this, on this show, podcast, I was. About your program, like a few people told me about it because they I was told it was like way above other programs out there because everyone now is all, you know, jumping on these bandwagons, right? Like personalized health, telemedicine, all the things, but yours does sound like super extensive.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very, yeah, I mean, it's because I I've sort of am the kind of intel inside.

• 38:53Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  But you know, my background has been, you know, as a Dr. Kenya Ranch, which is a health resort for almost 10 years. And there we did, you know, five to 10,000 of those for the testing and everybody.

• 39:03Jen Cohen?

  Is that how you started at Canyon Ranch?

• 39:05Speaker 02

  I was, yeah, my joke is I'm a resort doctor because I worked at a health resort and the doctor of last resort.

• 39:11Jen Cohen?

  That's funny. So that's how you started?

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then I 20 years ago, I started my own practice after that. And again, had a clientele that could afford to do deep testing and we've done really extensive testing. And I've seen millions and millions and millions and millions of biomarkers on tens of thousands of people. And so I really understand what's going on in there and things that doctors were not checking. And we're always like looking to the future, like what does the science say? Because in the scientific literature, this discoveries get made. And, you know, for example, we've known about lipoprotein fractionation, which is the test we do at Function Health for your cholesterol. This is the standard of the care. This should be the state of the art test that everybody gets. It's not expensive, not hard to get.

• 39:48Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  And yet we ask Quest, how many cholesterol tests that you get are from doctors around the country? And you're the biggest lap.

• 39:56Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  Are for this test.

• 39:58Jen Cohen?

  What do they say?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Less than 1%. And this test has been around for decades. I've been doing it personally for 30 years. The science is over 40 years old on this. So what happens is it takes decades for the science to turn into clinical practice.

• 40:13Jen Cohen?

  That's crazy.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  It is crazy. So my daughter's in medical school now. She's not learning anything about insulin resistance, nothing about the microbiome, nothing about nutrition, nothing about environmental toxins. These are the things that are causing people to be sick. She knows nothing about how to take care of mitochondrial problems. I mean, it's just, it's astounding to me.

• 40:30Jen Cohen?

  Where's she going to medical school?

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Well, it's a very good medical school. It's the University of Utah. It's a great medical school. And it's pretty much what is going on because we have a pharmaceutically driven healthcare. System that that is in large part funded by the pharma industry.

• 40:45Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  So a lot of academic centers, you know, they're not getting money from the government. Sometimes they're getting NIH grants, but a lot of their funding comes from pharma that is funding the professors to study a statin or study the Ozempic or study what.

• 40:59Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Ozempic is a great example, you know, we've got, you know, a drug now that's like the panacea for weight loss and everything. Everybody's sort of like, we should be all taking this and, you know, they're studying it for everything. So they're studying for depression, for autoimmune disease, for neurodegenerative disease, for obviously heart disease, for obesity, for diabetes. And this, these companies, these pharma companies are just raking in the money. And Novo Nordisk, which is the maker of Ozempic in Denmark, is the single biggest contributor to the gross domestic product or GDP of Denmark.

• 41:30Jen Cohen?

  That is crazy.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  And, and yeah, it's a huge, huge, and it's like, it's the Eli Lilly, the number one selling drug is one jar. There are billions and billions of dollars a year from these drugs and they're pouring billions into research to prove the benefit of these drugs across a wide range of health conditions. They work not because there's some magic to the drug, they work because they give people less weight and the weight loss is what's working.

• 41:54Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  It's like a study that they did on gastric bypass. They said, well, gee, gastric bypass, you can reverse diabetes in two weeks. Well, someone has a gastric bypass. It's a miracle.

• 42:02Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Right? Even if they're still overweight and you're still 400 pounds, two weeks later, after you do the surgery, you don't have diabetes anymore. And your inflammation goes down, your numbers get better. Well, how does that happen? It's because of the food they're eating, because they don't eat what they were eating. But they did a study where they just, instead of giving them the gastric bypass, they did a randomized trial where they gave half the people a gastric bypass and another matched control group, not the bypass, but just fed them the food as if they would have had the bypass. So on the same diet.

• 42:31Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Same result.

• 42:33Jen Cohen?

  Same result.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  No different. So it's not the Ozempic. And so, you know, I was talking to my friend who was the head of cardiology at Harvard and he's like, I said, no, why don't you study lifestyle changes and heart disease? Because they work better than the medications. He says, I know, Mark. He says, but I can't get $5 to study diet and lifestyle. I can get $150 million from pharma that funds my department, that funds my programs, that funds my fellowship, that funds everything. So I'm going to do that study that they want me to do because, you know, they're paying the bills. That's how it works. It's super corrupt.

• 43:03Jen Cohen?

  That's so crazy to me. And the funny, that not funny at all, is that now you have people who are on these, these Ozempics and Wegovis, who shouldn't be on them. They're like thin people.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, oh, God. And I see it. It's like, oh, wow, I can tell. You know, they get that, they get that look, they get that Ozempic face.

• 43:21Jen Cohen?

  Is that a true thing?

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Oh, 100%. Yes. And you, you lose some cutaneous fat and you lose muscle. And this is, this is a catastrophe. Because I do not think, I think personally, I think it's malpractice to prescribe one of these drugs unless that person has diet counseling and understands they need to eat a gram of protein per pound of ideal body weight, and they're taught how to do it.

• 43:43Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And that they do it. And two, that they commit strength training at least three times a week. Because if you don't, what happens is this, you lose the weight, but up to half of the weight is muscle. Now muscle is your metabolic engine. It burns seven times the calories of fat. And when you lose muscle, your metabolism slows down. So then what happens? Then you stop the drug because of side effects or you can't afford it forever. And then what happens? You gain back the weight. So let's say you start out and you lose 20 pounds, and then you gain back the 20 pounds. When you gain back the 20 pounds, you're going to gain it back all as fat, which means your metabolism is going to be slower, even at the same weight that you were when you started,

• 44:29Speaker 02

  which means you need to eat less in order to just stay at that weight. So you'll gain more weight even. And it's a disaster. So there's got to be, listen, these drugs, like any drug, are a tool. You know, a gun is a tool. You can go hunt a deer and get dinner, or you can kill somebody.

• 44:48Jen Cohen?

  Exactly.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  It's a tool. I'm not, I'm not opposed to these drugs. What I'm opposed to is their widespread use is the lack of research on other interventions that work better. And, and, and there's really clear data on this. I mean, uh, uh, Verta Health is a company that a friend of mine started, Sammy, and it can, it basically uses ketogenic diets for reversing type 2 diabetes. And they, they've scaled this up. They're covered by Medicare Advantage. They save an average of $6,000 for And they've compared the results they get using that for type 2 diabetes. They reversed completely type 2 diabetes. It's pretty advanced in 60% of patients.

• 45:21Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Average of 12% weight loss, which is astounding amount of weight loss. And they have a hundred percent get off the main diabetes medication, almost 90 plus percent get off insulin or dramatically reduce your insulin. And all the lipid bar marks improve and the all the secondary things that are being measured by these drug companies that are saying there are the benefits of Ozempic.

• 45:39Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  All those get better. It's not the Ozempic.

• 45:42Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  It's a diet.

• 45:44Jen Cohen?

  It's the diet. So it always, so it basically does come down to what you eat, your food and how much you eat of it. It's not.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  How much is not is it is an issue. It's really the quality of what you eat.

• 45:55Jen Cohen?

  The quality.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Because if you eat the right food, you can't overeat. In other words, if I said, you know, I want you to eat 10 12 ounce steaks, no way. If I said eat 10 avocados, no way. If I said eat 10 chocolate chip cookies, no problem. If I see a quart of ice cream, no problem, you know? And and and our bodies, when we eat this stuff, that's not really food, doesn't know how to regulate it. And the studies have been done on this. The NIH study by Kevin Hall looked at this very carefully and he did what we call a crossover trial, which is one of the best types of study designs. We took the same people, gave them a diet and then let them have a break.

• 46:32Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Call a washout period and then give them another diet for a few weeks and then measure what happened. First part of the diet was eating real food.

• 46:39Jen Cohen?

  Wow, yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Matched for protein, fat, carbs, calories. Then they gave them ultra-processed food and they can eat whatever they want. Eat whatever you want, eat as much as you want, some restrictions. When they were eating ultra-processed food, they ate 500 calories more a day because their biology was dysregulated.

• 46:55Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  You know, kids who are iron deficient will eat dirt. The body is going to crave.

• 47:01Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  More food and want more food because it's looking for nutrients. But we're looking for love in all the wrong places, right?

• 47:09Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  And and so what happened is that you get dysregulated. I mean, think about that. 500 calories a day in a week is 3,500 calories. That's a pound of weight gain.

• 47:20Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  If you don't offset it with exercise, in a year, that's fifty two pounds of weight gain. If you eat ultra-processed food, why is America the fattest country in the world? Like, we, we have seventy five percent of us that are overweight, forty two percent are obese. It's increased, you know, fourfold since I was born. And you've seen diabetes increase four hundred percent. I mean, it's, it's in the last thirty years. It's insane. And, you know, the metabolic dysfunction.

• 47:47Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Even if you're not overweight, because you could be skinny fat. In other words, you look thin, but you're actually fat on the inside.

• 47:54Jen Cohen?

  Right, your percentage is fat.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, your body fat, where the fat is, if it's in your belly, visceral fat. That's ninety three point two percent of Americans have metabolic dysfunction. That means that six point eight percent of us are healthy. And what does that mean? That ninety three point two percent has either high blood sugar, high blood pressure, abnormal cholesterol, all, by the way, caused by too much starch and sugar in our ultra-processed diet, or they've had a heart attack or stroke, or they're overweight.

• 48:21Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, that is unbelievable.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable. And so, you know, we're, we're killing ourselves and it's, the costs are staggering. I mean, the government, the US government pays forty percent of the national healthcare bill, which is now four point nine trillion dollars, probably a good two trillion of that is, is totally preventable and is now being added to our federal deficit every year. And imagine what that two trillion can do for the economy, what we could do with social programs, how we could improve our infrastructure, how we could improve so many, the innovation, how we could fund different kinds of research. I mean, we're wasting, wasting that money. And most people don't realize that, you know, it's one out of every three taxpayer dollars is for healthcare.

• 49:00Jen Cohen?

  It's unbelievable. What I find to be unbelievable is that everyone seems to look for these quick fad diets or quick fixes, but yet, like, it's pretty, again, what you're saying is pretty basic, right? Like, it's the same things that, like, if they watch what they eat, quality of the food, inflammation, like, these.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  It's not that hard.

• 49:18Jen Cohen?

  It's not that hard, but yet people are trying to over, or they're overwhelmed with, like, all this, like, noise.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:24Jen Cohen?

  You know? The other thing I wanted to ask you about Ozempic or any of these, or Gove's or whatever, can your body acclimate? Over time anyway, and so you end up even eating what you ate before you even started taking it.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Sometimes these drugs affects people differently. I had a patient who I didn't prescribe it, but he, he was telling me he lost, you know, he did Ozempic for six months. He lost two pounds. It didn't really make him feel great. He had all these side effects. He switched over to what I told him to do. He lost sixty pounds and he's reversed his diabetes and, you know, he's on his way back to full, full health.

• 49:56Jen Cohen?

  You keep on saying patience. Do you still see patients?

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw two this morning. I had a whole patient day yesterday. Yeah.

• 50:01Jen Cohen?

  So you actually still see like one of them?

• 50:05Speaker 02

  I don't just play one on TV.

• 50:06Jen Cohen?

  No, you don't just play. Listen, this is very refreshing. I thought of all the people, of all the doctors, you wouldn't have time because do you know how many times I've seen doctors sit in the same chair you are? And they are, they're doctors. Yeah, I guess they have a certificate, but they don't practice. They write books and they like to do media and they like to do all these other things.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Keeps it real. It keeps you humble.

• 50:26Jen Cohen?

  But people don't like to do it. Like it's impossible to find. The big joke is I can't find a doctor.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  I love it. I mean, I love taking care of people. It's so, I mean, it's amazing.

• 50:35Jen Cohen?

  You actually are like, would you take another, another patient? I need a doctor because there is such a shortage of doctors.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  You're a live girl.

• 50:43Jen Cohen?

  I know. Like, what is the waiting list for that? Like, do you have like a crazy waiting list?

• 50:47Speaker 02

  I, I wish I could see everybody. I really wished. I, I, I mean, it's the heartbreak of my life. And I can't tell you, I probably get five to 10 texts, emails, requests every day.

• 50:58Jen Cohen?

  Easy.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  My mother this, my friend this, I'm sick this. And like people I hear are close to me and I'm like, I just wish I could help everybody and I can't. And, and so that's really why I co-founded Function Health.

• 51:08Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Was to take what I know and make it accessible, not to a few hundred or a thousand people, but to millions and millions. We have an eight billion person problem.

• 51:17Jen Cohen?

  That's exactly true, right?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  And what I, what we're creating at Function is something that is revolutionary. It's why we're the fastest growing healthcare company in the world. We're creating something called Medical Intelligence. You know, you have ChatGPT and all this, but think about where you take all your own data and all your data is sorted through with the use of technology. Cause now we, we can process, I mean, just in your microbiome alone, there's a hundred thousand. Thousand terabytes of data. I don't even know what a terabyte is, but it's a lot of

• 51:42Jen Cohen?

  It's a lot, I guess.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  So you, no human mind can comprehend all that. So we're able to take all this data and actually understand what's happening to you and input it all into the system and then gives you a predictive model of where you are, the trajectory from wellness to illness, because things don't happen overnight, right? For example, we were mentioning some of these Alzheimer's tests, like P-Town 217 or AD 4240 or neurofibrillary light chain. There's other biomarkers and we're now able to see from a blood test that, you know, you could be developing early, early cognitive injury, brain injury that you don't even know about because you're not symptomatic. You can tell with brain imaging up to 30 to 40 years before you get Alzheimer's that you're starting to get trouble in the brain. But now with these blood tests, we can detect it. And then you can

• 52:28Speaker 02

  do something to intervene and actually reverse that trajectory. That's never been possible before.

• 52:33Jen Cohen?

  How is it even possible? I thought there was no cure. They couldn't, well, can you give us?

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Well, there is. Of course there is. I mean, you know,

• 52:39Jen Cohen?

  Like what? Give us some things that we can do for our brain.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  This is, this is, this is actually fact. I mean, if you look at the studies being done out of the, the finger trial, the pointer trials, these are large scale clinical trials using aggressive lifestyle intervention, risk factor modification, and actually slowing not showing not just reverse, slowing down or, or delaying the progression of Alzheimer's, but reversing

• 53:02Jen Cohen?

  How? How can we reverse Alzheimer's?

• 53:05Speaker 02

  What you eat. I mean, exercise, stress management, sleep optimization, the nutritional optimization, hormone optimization, addressing all the root causes, toxins, gut microbiome. I mean, it's a, it's a process. It's a deep, involved process. And I've written a book about this called The Ultra Mind Solution about 15 years ago. It was way ahead of its time, still ahead of its time. And colleagues of mine like Dale Bredesen have taken that and really upgraded it. And he's got a recode program now. He's written a book called The End of Alzheimer's, which talks about the root causes. This is not just happening in a vacuum. It's such a random event. Why have we seen Alzheimer's increased by 150%?

• 53:39Jen Cohen?

  Why? Tell us.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Why? Because we, we have the shitty diet,

• 53:44Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Which is sugar. I mean, they're calling Alzheimer's type three diabetes now, which is insulin resistance. Why we have Ninety three percent of the population have some degree of insur resistance.

• 53:53Jen Cohen?

  But what this one I don't understand.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Toxins, environmental toxins.

• 53:55Jen Cohen?

  There's more education out than ever before, right? We're more educated, you'd think that this information out there. How is it instead of getting less obese, we're getting more obese instead of getting healthier? We're getting more sick when all we we are overloaded with people and information like the health industry, longevity industry, it's a trillion dollar business.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, we live in a toxic cesspool of food and toxins. I mean, it's just the truth. I mean, the the food industry has produced food that is making us sick and making us die early. And it and we also have completely unregulated environmental toxins than this in the society that people are just polluted polluted. You know, if we were food, we wouldn't be safe to eat as human beings are so polluted.

• 54:39Jen Cohen?

  Why is it different here than the UK?

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Well, in the in other countries, they don't allow the same ingredients. I mean, you might have heard the recent uh.

• 54:46Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Careful about Kellogg's and these are friends of mine.

• 54:48Jen Cohen?

  I was gonna ask you about that.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's ridiculous. Like in in Europe, they have regulations, they have something called the reach legislation in the European Union, which limits the use of chemicals. So here, the way it works is you, if you're a company, you get to use whatever you want. And you get approved as generally recognized as safe. And then you only get to have it taken off the market if it's shown later to be harmful. So innocent until proven guilty.

• 55:14Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  As opposed to you have to prove this is safe before you put in the food. For example, trans fats, the great example.

• 55:20Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Crisco was invented in nineteen eleven, shortening.

• 55:23Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, I remember it.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Why they call it shortening?

• 55:25Jen Cohen?

  No, because.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Shortens your life, yeah. It's not why they call it that.

• 55:29Jen Cohen?

  Oh, I thought that's why you call this, okay.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:32Jen Cohen?

  Why they call it that?

• 55:33Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 55:34Jen Cohen?

  Oh.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Um, but anyway, um.

• 55:35Jen Cohen?

  That was a joke, a doctor joke?

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Doctor joke.

• 55:37Jen Cohen?

  Like a dad joke.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  It's like, yeah, I don't eat red meat. I don't eat it well done.

• 55:40Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  So the reality is that the science started coming around in the sixties and seventies and the eighties. And it was just really a compelling data.

• 55:50Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  That it was killing people, hundreds of thousands of people a year. And the FDA still did not change its policies. And there was a scientist that was researching this for fifty years.

• 56:02Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  He finally in his nineties sued the FDA. And based on that suit, they changed the regulations to recognize it as something that was not safe. So they took it off the safe list. And then they encouraged companies to remove it from the food supply, but it's still out there. And again, we should have never had that for that long in the food. So we're having, you know, butylated hydroxytylenine and different dyes and additives and colors are added to food here like Callex Fruit Loops. That you don't get in crap macaroni and cheese. In this country, it's got all kinds of weird dyes. And if you go to Europe, it's got, you know, basically carrot dyes to make it orange, not orange, you know, neon.

• 56:40Jen Cohen?

  All these chemicals.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, which of course I grew up on.

• 56:43Jen Cohen?

  Me too, right? We all did. I mean.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  That was the first thing I learned how to cook.

• 56:47Jen Cohen?

  Me too. I think that was like, kind of like every child, you know, like my, my daughter right now.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  You boil the noodles and you put the cheese in and the milk in.

• 56:54Jen Cohen?

  Totally, totally. Where did you grow up?

• 56:56Speaker 02

  I all over. I was born in Spain, grew up in New York City and Queens, and then moved to Toronto and.

• 57:03Jen Cohen?

  I'm from Toronto. Canadian?

• 57:04Speaker 02

  No, my mother married a Canadian after my parents were divorced.

• 57:08Jen Cohen?

  I meant like you grew up in Toronto?

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Toronto, yeah, from eight to eighteen, yeah.

• 57:11Jen Cohen?

  Where?

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Baby in York Mills.

• 57:13Jen Cohen?

  Really?

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:14Jen Cohen?

  Oh, my God, that is hilarious. Where'd you go to medical school?

• 57:17Speaker 02

  University of Ottawa.

• 57:19Jen Cohen?

  I'm from Ottawa. Are you serious? Does anybody know this about you? All the Canadian. So are you surprised? I have to ask you because like when you started all of this stuff, your, your career, it wasn't like trendy and cool to be a doctor. It wasn't trending. It wasn't like a massive industry of like what we were talking about earlier. And then it blown up to be like the hot thing. You know how there's all these different trends? We're talking about entrepreneurship, health, longevity. Like, are you surprised of how like you've become so popular in the trajectory of your career? Did you expect this all to happen?

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Really? I, I, I don't know. I just, I just saw the issues way. I mean, I studied nutrition forty five years ago and college and wrote a, read a book called Nutrition Against Disease by Roger Williams. It got me thinking about this was given to me by a PhD student on nutrition that I was living with. We shared a house together.

• 58:10Jen Cohen?

  Oh, okay.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  And so I got, you know, kind of.

• 58:12Jen Cohen?

  In Ottawa?

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, in Cornell.

• 58:14Jen Cohen?

  Okay.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Cornell, yeah, where I went to undergraduate. And I, you know, I just got into health and wellness and herbal medicine and yoga. And I was a yoga teacher before I was a doctor.

• 58:24Jen Cohen?

  You were?

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:25Jen Cohen?

  So and also, I know you're into Buddhism and all that stuff too, right? Are you still do are you still into that stuff?

• 58:30Speaker 02

  I mean, it definitely is very much informed my way of thinking about the world and my mind and suffering and, you know, compassion and why, why are we getting all the mess we get into?

• 58:41Jen Cohen?

  Right, that's a good, that's a good way of putting it. What do you think about all the other modalities that can help? Like meditation, all the other things that help with like lowering your, I guess, your, your stress levels that help.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  I mean, look, you know, functional medicine is a way of thinking. It's a, an operating system and it's agnostic and it's whatever the right set of tools. So there's a whole bunch of tools, a toolkit from meditation and yoga to breath work, to acupuncture, to drugs, to supplements, to diet, to plasma free system, whatever.

• 59:12Jen Cohen?

  What is that? You kept, you said that in the beginning of the podcast.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's basically filtering your blood to get all the crap out. And it's one of those therapies that's being heavily researched for longevity. It says we get older, we, it's like, you know, think about your car. If you don't change the oil, it's crap in it. And it's sort of like that. It's like you filter your blood out, you take out the cells, you take out the plasma, you throw it out, you put a new.

• 59:32Jen Cohen?

  How do you do it?

• 59:33Speaker 02

  You take blood out of one arm, you put it through a machine that filters everything out. It's like dialysis, you know?

• 59:38Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  And it goes back in the other arm.

• 59:39Jen Cohen?

  And so how accessible is this to the average person?

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Not accessible, it's expensive. It's, you know, between five and $10,000 time. It's going to come down in price and it's going to be more accessible. And there's a lot of research going on now. I mean, a convoy is one of the leading researchers out of, you know, the Palo Alto area in this field. And it's pretty exciting. So I, I think it's one of those therapies that's can be used for long COVID, for autoimmune disease, for cognitive issues, for Alzheimer's, for longevity. So I think we're just beginning to understand, it's been around forever in medicine.

• 1:00:09Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, like the dialysis that you're saying, like.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  It's not dialysis, it's, it's used for, it's used for different kinds of autoimmune diseases and neurologic problems in hospitals. But this is, this is a broadening the use of it to different kinds of indications. And it's a, I think it's one of the most exciting therapies. And I, I know it helped me for, you know, I had long COVID, not super long because I caught it early, but I basically had COVID and I developed arthritis afterwards. My hand blew up and I felt like crap and I was exhausted and my brain wasn't working. And I just did a course of plasma free system and the next day I woke up and I was completely better.

• 1:00:38Jen Cohen?

  In one session?

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  One session, yeah.

• 1:00:40Jen Cohen?

  Wow. And how long does it take to do it?

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Usually two to three hours, depending on your veins, an hour and a half, two or three.

• 1:00:46Jen Cohen?

  Wow, a friend of mine developed long COVID and he had a horrible gut problem and it was terrible.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Jen Cohen?

  Would you suggest would this type of thing that you just said be good for all different sorts of long COVID?

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. In fact, there's some good data out of Europe, Germany, where they looked at long COVID patients and they measured all the autoantibodies and all the inflammatory compounds before and after they did plasma free cysts. And then they looked at their clinical outcomes and they found that actually it worked to actually help people recover and to reduce all these biomarkers of long COVID.

• 1:01:16Jen Cohen?

  Wow. Okay. And then you said something else in the beginning about what you do. You said you were riffing off a few. You said that. And you said another thing that you do that's kind of on the cutting edge. What was that?

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Rapamycin.

• 1:01:26Jen Cohen?

  No, not rapamycin, but you can talk about that, too. Isn't that just a supplement, though?

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  No, it's a drug.

• 1:01:32Jen Cohen?

  Oh, wait, isn't that the drug that people take for COVID, though?

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  No, rapamycin is a drug that's used for immune suppression for transplants, but in low doses intermittently, it seems to work for longevity. So.

• 1:01:47Jen Cohen?

  Really? So would you suggest people take trying it?

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  I don't think the data is there for the average person to take it. But like I said, I'm willing to try it on myself as a guinea pig. And if they're a longevity enthusiast and they understand the risks and the.

• 1:01:59Jen Cohen?

  Is there risks?

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  I mean, there is some risks. It can suppress immune system function if taken in certain ways. And it depends on the person. She's got to monitor.

• 1:02:08Jen Cohen?

  Okay, where was the other thing that you said that you're doing that's a little bit more unique?

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  I don't know. Exosomes, what did I say? I don't remember.

• 1:02:15Jen Cohen?

  What do you think about exosome stem cells in the US versus outside the US? Are they different?

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of regulation in the United States that makes it difficult to get younger stem cells or umbilical stem cells. Exosomes are easier to get, but still not quite regulated. And I think, you know, it's unfortunate, but in other countries, they're doing far more advanced work than we are.

• 1:02:40Jen Cohen?

  Yeah. And so, okay, so exasums, anything else that you do?

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Oh, I do a lot of stuff, exercise, take all my supplements, do all this stuff.

• 1:02:47Jen Cohen?

  What supplements are you taking?

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Oh, I take a cocktail of stuff, you know, my multi, fish oil, vitamin D, magnesium, but then I also take like my longevity stack, which is your Lithin A, I take Himalayan tartary buckwheat, which is incredible. It's compounded, it has corsten and all these amino rejuvenating properties. I take a sprout powder I put in my shake every morning. I take probiotics, I take this centolitic compound, which is a cocktail of different herbs and things like folicetin, curcumin, green tea that helped to kill zombie cells.

• 1:03:21Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, where'd you get that from?

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  A company I use called Qualia, I don't have any relation with them, but they're.

• 1:03:26Jen Cohen?

  Qualia?

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Jen Cohen?

  I know them, okay.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  So, and.

• 1:03:30Jen Cohen?

  I'm gonna write this down.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  I take NMN and I take.

• 1:03:34Jen Cohen?

  Why NMN and not NR? Like, why don't you?

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  They're interchangeable.

• 1:03:38Jen Cohen?

  You think they're similar?

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Jen Cohen?

  Really? I heard that NR, from what I understand, it gets into your cells easier.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it depends who's doing the research and making money, I was telling you.

• 1:03:48Jen Cohen?

  Exactly, I got the, that's a good point.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  And who's selling what?

• 1:03:51Jen Cohen?

  I know, but that's, isn't NMN Sinclair, right?

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Jen Cohen?

  Okay, you must be friends with Sinclair. Are you friends with him?

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  I'm friends with David, yeah, he's a character, but I love him.

• 1:03:59Jen Cohen?

  Okay, so that's why, okay. So you're taking that, what else would you say you're doing besides all those stacks and I want to listen to it?

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  I think, you know, one of the killers that is really not talked about a lot is loneliness and isolation and disconnection. And, you know, when I, when I went to the Blue Zones, it was amazing there, you know, there were no nursing homes.

• 1:04:21Jen Cohen?

  Right.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Even if people didn't have kids, you know, they were taken in by their niece and nephew if they were older. You know, it was just quite an amazing thing and they had the deep sense of connection and community and belonging, meaning, purpose. Those are more sort of intangible things, but, but, you know, investing in your friendships, in your relationships, in your community is one of the most important things for longevity.

• 1:04:42Jen Cohen?

  I actually think that loneliness is our biggest pet, like.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  It's like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day.

• 1:04:46Jen Cohen?

  Yeah, people can die from loneliness, so I could, I totally agree. I know you need to get out of here, is there anything else that you want to, we can talk about that's a little bit? Like, what's the number one question people ask you?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:05:00Jen Cohen?

  I mean, what's the one thing that you hear the most people say like is like, is it the gut? Is it brain? What's like the one thing like right now that you're getting the most text messages? The most DMs about not like even maybe check your own DMs.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just chronic illnesses. People have autoimmune diseases, you know, have flu disorders, have gut issues, have just people are just struggling in our traditional healthcare system. We're getting sicker and sicker. We're making more and more drugs which aren't working. And we're spending more and more, we're getting less and less. You know, we're now spending, you know, more than twice any other nation in healthcare costs per capita. And we also are forty eighth in life expectancy.

• 1:05:38Jen Cohen?

  Crazy.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:05:39Jen Cohen?

  I have one question. Focus and ADHD. Do you think that that's a real thing? Do you think that we can eat better to actually have a better focus, being more alert?

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah. I mean, ADHD now affects about, you know, ten percent of kids. It's something is now diagnosed in adults. You know, there's a lot of reasons for it. You know, nature deficit disorder, nutritional deficiencies, microbiome issues, environmental toxins.

• 1:06:04Jen Cohen?

  Nature deficit disorder, is that more like you're on your social media too much? Yeah.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  And caught out there playing and being in nature.

• 1:06:10Jen Cohen?

  A hundred percent. That's why I'm asking the question. I have kids.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  And I think, you know, it's a real problem. And I wrote, again, I wrote a book about this called The Ultra Mind Solution, same book, talking about the brain. So how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first, right? So your, your body affects your brain. And, and I had a kid I talked about in that book who was severely ADD, on Ritalin for years, kicked out of kindergarten, you know, like.

• 1:06:32Jen Cohen?

  Wow.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Behavior, had all these other health issues, had asthma, allergies, had gut issues, had headaches, had this and that. Totally crap diet, processed food, did a bunch of testing, had severe nutritional deficiencies, had totally messed up gut, had bad bugs growing, too much yeast, had lead also in his system. He basically just got his gut healthy, put him in a lation diet, kind of got his body, he was twelve years old at the time. And it was like a miracle, like two months later, he came back completely normal. And what was amazing, and you know, you can get to the link to look at the.

• 1:07:03Jen Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Imaging, but you can see his handwriting before and after two months. And it was the thing that got me going, oh, my God. What's going on here? Because his handwriting, you know, was illegible. A lot of these kids have what we call dysgraphia. They can't, their writing is just terrible penmanship. And then two months later, it was perfect writing. It wasn't because he had occupational therapy and handwriting lessons. It was because his brain went from being chaotic and dysfunctional and coherent to being synchronized and coherent and functional. And that was what got me to really understand that the body was influencing the brain in ways that we could modify and change. Whether it was depression, or ADD, or OCD, or autism, or Alzheimer's, whatever it was. And, and so much, you know, the joke in medicine is that, you know, neurologists pay no attention to the mind.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  And psychiatrists pay no attention to the brain. They're both wrong. There's no brain, there's no brain mind thing. It's all one thing. The body, brain, body, mind, mind, body. It's just, it's all the same. And so, you know, basically what happens below the neck is pretty much ignored by most other, you know, kind of neurologists or psych, or psychiatrists or psychologists. And you can't talk your way out of, you know, a gluten tolerances causing brain dysfunction, or heavy metal toxicity, or a vitamin deficiency. You've got to treat that.

• 1:08:18Jen Cohen?

  Yeah. And also exercise overall, this moving your body, going outside, all these things are so good for your overall productivity. Mark, you're amazing. Thank you for being on the show, on the podcast. You guys, so we said for Dr. Hyman's new and most, his new company Function Health, which is probably now the fastest growing health company, you said, on the planet. He's giving everybody, the first hundred people, the code is Hustle100. You're going to skip the line and you are going to get early access.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yes. Functionhealth.com.

• 1:08:51Jen Cohen?

  Functionhealth.com. Tell them everything. Tell them everything. All your 90,000 books and all the things, you know?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Well, that's where I'd go. I'd get you, I'd get yourself checked because most people don't realize how, how bad things are under the hood. And so that's really important. So just you go to functionhealth.com, you can log in, bypass the waitlist, get in the beta. And it's, you know, it's easy to do. Just use the code Hustle100. If you want to learn more about me, you can go to my website, DrHyman.com. Social media is DrMarkHyman and podcast is The Doctor's Pharmacy, although it might be changing name soon, so.

• 1:09:20Jen Cohen?

  They know all about you. Like you're like a millions of followers. Okay. Thank you so much. You're an awesome, awesome guest and I appreciate you being here.