No Due Process, Yes Jumbo Plane [TEASER]

Since taking office, Trump has moved quickly to implement his authoritarian agenda. Now, he is asking the Supreme Court to limit the judicial branch by preventing individual judges from blocking his orders. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support http://fivefourpod.com/support. More on Trump's big beautiful plane - https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/19/politics/trump-adminstration-approached-qatar-jet 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com http://fivefourpod.com/ Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobile and use my code mintmobile.com/fivefour for a great deal: https://www.mintmobile.com * Check out Quince and use my code FIVEFOUR for a great deal: https://www.quince.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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• 0:04Speaker 00

  Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prolog Projects. On this subscriber-only episode of Five to Four, Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael are checking in on the Trump White House. Revocation of student visas, the arrest of individuals involved in pro-Palestinian activism, and the effort to enact mass deportations using the Alien Enemies Act. And then there's the attack on the judiciary. Much of what Trump has tried to do has been challenged in federal court. So the administration is asking the Supreme Court to get the judicial branch out of its way.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  The Supreme Court took up a case that could decide how quickly President Trump can get his second-term agenda off the ground.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  The justices are hearing arguments about the ability for a single judge to block a policy for the entire country.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  This is Five to Four, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks.

• 0:58Peter Shamshiri?

  Welcome to Five to Four, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have consumed our nation like our president consuming fish fillets in Riyadh. I'm Peter. I'm here with Rhiannon.

• 1:10Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:11Peter Shamshiri?

  And Michael.

• 1:12Michael Liroff?

  And we know he's eating those because they have a mobile McDonald's following him around Saudi Arabia.

• 1:18Peter Shamshiri?

  That's right.

• 1:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:19Peter Shamshiri?

  The Saudis thought that it would be a good idea to greet our president on his diplomatic visit with a mobile McDonald's.

• 1:28Michael Liroff?

  They were right. They were right. They fucking nailed it.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:33Peter Shamshiri?

  This is what he wants the most in the world.

• 1:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36Peter Shamshiri?

  And they did it. They delivered. And you know, you know, they were fucking dying laughing when they thought of this idea.

• 1:44Peter Shamshiri?

  They were like, you know what that fucking slob would like?

• 1:49Peter Shamshiri?

  What if we brought McDonald's to him and just give him like a low dose of poison? Or whatever.

• 1:57Peter Shamshiri?

  It's so good. It's so good. It's so on the nose. Everything kind of rules now. Everything's a little bit funnier than it used to be. You have to admit.

• 2:05Speaker 04

  And just the superficiality of it, like you see pictures of it. It's a tractor trailer.

• 2:10Michael Liroff?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10Speaker 04

  This is like, it can be on the back of an F-150. Like, it's so ridiculous.

• 2:19Michael Liroff?

  Yeah. It's fantastic. I love it. I love it.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24Peter Shamshiri?

  The funniest thing about him is that he loves McDonald's that much.

• 2:27Michael Liroff?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Peter Shamshiri?

  And I, I don't know how conscious it is that he's just like, oh, I'm doing sort of like class signaling in a way, right? I think that's part of it. But I also believe that this is genuinely what he loves. Like this is like, this is comes from the heart.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think it's an affect in any way. He loves McDonald's.

• 2:45Michael Liroff?

  I do wonder if this is the case. Either one is very funny to me, but it either like the, the Saudis came up with this, or they like reached out to, you know, Marco Rubio and were like, what would Trump like? And Rubio was like, Trump, what do you want the Saudis to do with you? And he's like, mobile McDonald's.

• 3:04Michael Liroff?

  You know, like, like in-laws trying to get the, like the info on a Christmas present or something.

• 3:10Peter Shamshiri?

  His main complaint about McDonald's is that when you leave, it doesn't follow you around.

• 3:18Michael Liroff?

  Either way, either way, very funny.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:21Peter Shamshiri?

  We were talking about this, but it's very upsetting that like on the left, it's like a little gauche to make fun of this too much because people think that you're being classist.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  Right. Or judging people based on like their food choices and stuff, right?

• 3:34Peter Shamshiri?

  Right. Like maybe you, maybe you veer into fat phobia at times and stuff like that. And I'll say, I like McDonald's a lot. There's a nearby McDonald's and it's, you know, one of our, our little treats every now and then we, we pop into McDonald's. I enjoy it. Liking McDonald's that much is disgusting. I love it. Like it's grotesque.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:53Peter Shamshiri?

  Come on.

• 3:54Michael Liroff?

  I love McDonald's. Peter knows this. I, I told him this. I don't know if Ian has heard this. When I first moved here, there's McDonald's right down the street from me, like a mile and a half away. And I would go there and.

• 4:06Peter Shamshiri?

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