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• 0:00Hannah Berner?

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• 0:44Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 0:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 0:52Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 0:56Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:01Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 1:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 1:17Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 1:26Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time, and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 1:30Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 1:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 1:34Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 1:48Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 1:55Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 1:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:00Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a T-shirt for real.

• 2:06Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 2:15Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 2:18Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 2:19Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 2:21Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 2:33Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 2:34Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 2:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces. And let's just say these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set. New styles from Lululemon's fall collection are here.

• 3:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Popular colors go fast, so be on the lookout for those drops. And if something doesn't work out for you, free returns always. That's lululemon.com, lululemon.com.

• 3:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Carrie, fix the wifi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  Hello, my grimacing gigglers.

• 3:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, what does that mean?

• 3:55Hannah Berner?

  Grimace is this.

• 3:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 3:58Hannah Berner?

  That's me smiling. It's a grimace.

• 4:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, okay.

• 4:01Hannah Berner?

  We've started a movement. It's soft smile summer. The girls aren't smiling. To people, please, we're just being ourselves. And if you don't smile, people still love you. I don't know, I just made that up. How are you?

• 4:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I haven't smiled once in solidarity.

• 4:16Hannah Berner?

  That's a lie, because you've posted two TikToks smiling at the end and it was giving... You don't care about your best friend. I was like, oh, okay, just attack me. To my face.

• 4:30Paige DeSorbo?

  I have been thinking about you a lot.

• 4:33Hannah Berner?

  No, you know what I'm going through and you decided to smile in two out of two outfit talks. Crazy. And people noticed.

• 4:40Paige DeSorbo?

  The other night I FaceTimed Hannah and it was actually so sad because she goes, I haven't been able to give my real smile all day because I don't want to scare people. And now that I get to laugh with you on FaceTime, it's so freeing.

• 4:57Hannah Berner?

  No. So you guys, I'm at my job.

• 5:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 5:02Hannah Berner?

  And the good news is it's going well because I'm like leaning into being serious. But I can't smile because it makes me look like I'm crying and it freaks people out. So I like have to hold it in until I get back to my hotel room and then I'm just like.

• 5:19Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what? I'm actually really proud of us though, because I feel like whenever we go through something, also I've been shitting my brains out here.

• 5:27Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I didn't want to bring it up.

• 5:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We make it acceptable for the girls to like just pee themselves.

• 5:33Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's so cool that we say something that's like so depressing and sad. And then all the gigglers are like, I feel less alone. This happened to me. Or this isn't happening to me, but I at least can laugh at you. Like the fact that I'm, some people literally like, I was in the darkest depression. And then I watched the YouTube of you trying to smile and it brought me out of it. And I'm like, it was worth it.

• 5:54Paige DeSorbo?

  It was worth it.

• 5:54Hannah Berner?

  It was worth it. Stabbed me a million times. But um, my feed now, every nurse, doctor, practitioner is now like doing videos about what happened to me.

• 6:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Trying to help you.

• 6:09Hannah Berner?

  Which is kind of great because I'm getting all this like free advice, but all the advice is like, you fucked.

• 6:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. You have a couple of months.

• 6:17Hannah Berner?

  And some of them are like, this was extremely rare. How did this happen to both Paige and Hannah?

• 6:22Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 6:22Hannah Berner?

  Within a couple of months.

• 6:24Paige DeSorbo?

  How are ops are working over time?

• 6:27Hannah Berner?

  But also, I feel like nurses are nervous because they're like, hey, guys, Botox like, isn't as horrible as Paige and Hannah are making it seem. They just have really bad luck. And I'm like, okay, well, the math isn't mathing.

• 6:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, the statistics that me and my best friend, in the course of three months, had a Botox mishap.

• 6:48Hannah Berner?

  This was the third time I did Masteter, so I'm one for three. You're one of two, right?

• 6:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Hannah Berner?

  You're one for one.

• 6:54Paige DeSorbo?

  One of two, one of two.

• 6:55Hannah Berner?

  One of two. Okay, so that's two out of fu- two, two out of five. That's almost half.

• 7:01Paige DeSorbo?

  You've lost me. Sorry, I've actually tapped out.

• 7:04Hannah Berner?

  Forty percent. Wait, by the way.

• 7:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Forty percent.

• 7:07Hannah Berner?

  Being in Toronto, I forgot to tell you, I got to my flight early. And then I looked at when the flight is, was boarding and it said, 2010. And in that moment, I was like, I'm not going to make it. Because like this second, it's a mil- tw- once you're in the twenties. Like, I feel like fifteen, I could do the math, but once you're in the twenties, that's like, I've, you've lost me.

• 7:32Paige DeSorbo?

  It's the next day. At that point, it's the next day.

• 7:35Hannah Berner?

  And then I realized, the reason, me and you podcasting when you're in Italy, totally fun, totally easy. The hard part is we can't do math. So I'll be like, Paige, I'm free at 4:00 PM. And she's like, don't know when that is.

• 7:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, cool, cool. Somebody tried to schedule a Zoom with me and Josephine was like, hey, like, they want to do it. And I go, okay. If they're in California, we're fucked. I was like, you tell them, pick a time and I'll see if I'll be there.

• 8:05Hannah Berner?

  If I have to carry a one to get to that time, we're not doing it. So yeah, now we're just like, hey, are you free in the next 20 minutes? And if we're not, then we just wait. We can't, we haven't set one time. Also, I was running on the treadmill. Do you remember I was bragging to you how fast I was running?

• 8:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Uh huh. Because you're a fast twitch muscle.

• 8:23Hannah Berner?

  Turns out I wasn't running miles per hour. I was running kilometers per hour.

• 8:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, well, I stepped on the scale here and it's in kilograms and I go, yeah, I like that number. You know what? I'm not even gonna convert that because that seems nice.

• 8:42Hannah Berner?

  No, I thought I was like an Olympian. I go, wow, I jogged once and I'm running at nine for seven minutes. I actually was like so, I was like, holy shit, I'm a, I was Kendall Jenner. I was like, I'm athletic, so genetically athletic. Um, but babe, sauna life?

• 9:02Hannah Berner?

  It's been a lot.

• 9:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I love a sauna. How many minutes are you going in for?

• 9:05Hannah Berner?

  Well, this is the thing. There's a sauna at my hotel, but it's not like a full person sauna. It's like two people, I mean, it's two people. Like, it's not like a big sauna. So I get, I keep having these sauna, um, interactions, which I didn't know was legal. The first one, sit down, a man comes in and I'm like, should I call the police? Like, is that, are you, I'm in the sauna. Like, why would you come to my sauna? Turns to me, goes, hey, really liked your special.

• 9:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Another man?

• 9:32Hannah Berner?

  He must have been on the background of his girlfriend, like, living room?

• 9:36Paige DeSorbo?

  How are they finding us?

• 9:38Hannah Berner?

  Okay, that's not right or cool. Then the next day, I'm in the sauna watching Wimbledon and these two are gossiping, gossiping. They turn to me, they go, sorry, what time is it? I look up, I'm like, I don't, I can't read military time, I don't know. And

• 9:58Hannah Berner?

  thirty-seven, forty-two, who the fuck knows?

• 10:02Hannah Berner?

  And the guy was a giggler. He turns to me, goes, oh, Hannah Berner.

• 10:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god!

• 10:09Hannah Berner?

  So I'm two for two, starts asking me about all the tea going on. And I said, look, what happens in the sauna stays in the sauna. So I'm gossiping.

• 10:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:19Hannah Berner?

  They get out. Sauna yesterday, there was a girl in like, it's by the pool, wearing a full thong in the sauna. Like, I guess bathing suit, do you like that now? I go in, there's a huge, like, butt mark from her sitting in the sauna.

• 10:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 10:38Hannah Berner?

  Like a peach.

• 10:39Paige DeSorbo?

  That's disgusting.

• 10:40Hannah Berner?

  No, I was like, I'm kind of, sauna culture, I'm, I don't understand yet. It's freaking me out.

• 10:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I got into a fight in the sauna, in a sauna one time.

• 10:53Hannah Berner?

  What happened?

• 10:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I go into this, I'm in a building, I'm in like an apartment building, it's a communal sauna. It's but girl, it's in like a girl's locker room, so it's just women, but it's like a pretty big sauna, like it's two rows. If you really wanted to pack 10 people in there, you could. I work out in the gym and then I go into the locker room and I go in the sauna. And I'm in my workout clothes and I kept my sneakers on, okay? And I'm sitting there, my feet are on the ground. This woman comes in and she's wearing, she's also in like workout clothes, like regular clothes, but no shoes.

• 11:36Paige DeSorbo?

  And she says to me, you know, it's really rude to come in with your sneakers on. People lay their heads down, like lay on these benches. And I turned to her and I go, well, that's disgusting because this is a communal sauna. And why would someone be laying their sweaty body down? So I kept my sneakers on and was like.

• 11:59Hannah Berner?

  That's where me and you were different? I would have been like, I am so sorry, this is your culture, I don't understand your culture, I'm taking off my shoes. I love, and then you sat there and looked at her the whole time.

• 12:10Paige DeSorbo?

  I was this close to being like, and who the fuck are you to tell me what I'm gonna do in the goddamn sauna? I go, well, that's disgusting, you shouldn't lay down in it.

• 12:20Hannah Berner?

  The sauna is full of people's sweat.

• 12:23Paige DeSorbo?

  She was trying to tell me I was in like a health code violation, I was like, no, no lady, I think you with your bare ass feet. I also said, I go, well, I would be nervous to not have socks and shoes on because that's how foot fungus spreads. So hop off my dick, lady.

• 12:40Hannah Berner?

  I love all the women around you being like, valid points are being made and I suddenly don't want to be here anymore. No, I feel like that's where Covid started.

• 12:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I took this relaxing experience and just.

• 12:52Hannah Berner?

  Well, being in a small, hot space with strangers is my nightmare.

• 12:57Paige DeSorbo?

  My nightmare.

• 12:58Hannah Berner?

  I've had three bad experiences. No, no, no, the second was fun because we gossip, but like I was, I just want to watch Wimbledon.

• 13:05Paige DeSorbo?

  You're in a different place than you typically are and I would say that like when people, when you're in a random situation and someone does want to talk to you, you're very happy and jolly and you do want to engage, but you're going through a time right now.

• 13:18Hannah Berner?

  No, I know.

• 13:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Because you can't talk. That's your favorite thing to do is talk.

• 13:26Hannah Berner?

  No, I know. And I do have to say the one thing that's getting me through this. And if we're being so real with each other.

• 13:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, let's.

• 13:36Hannah Berner?

  I'm getting so much attention.

• 13:39Hannah Berner?

  Like if I wasn't getting attention, you guys, I would be like in a really, really bad place, but I go to sleep at night and I go, at least people are talking about me.

• 13:50Paige DeSorbo?

  At least people care enough.

• 13:51Hannah Berner?

  And it's actually crazy because when it first started happening, I was on TikTok. And I found like two or three girls that it happened to. And all these girlies are now posting being like, hey, you guys remember when this happened to me? It's happening to Hannah Berner. And the girl was so funny. She's like Hannah Berner, we got another diva down. She didn't look at my, so we're kind of all bonding, even Meredith.

• 14:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Wishbone Kitchen.

• 14:15Hannah Berner?

  She said it happened to her. Um, Meghan Trainor said it happened to her. And um. It's it.

• 14:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Are people just not saying when it happens because they're embarrassed? Because when it happened to me, I literally was.

• 14:31Hannah Berner?

  I can't stop telling people.

• 14:32Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I I'm, I would tell everyone that would listen. I'd be like, I know you don't know me, so you don't know what my actual smile looks like, but look at this, because this ain't it. Like, I wanted to tell everyone. So I don't get it. Like, are the girls, don't be embarrassed.

• 14:48Hannah Berner?

  But the gigglers, yeah, they're getting me through it by laughing and like people are telling me like just that it's, it made them happy and that makes, like it really, like for a month of sadness is cured for sure, where I would have been really sad.

• 15:05Hannah Berner?

  So yesterday we tried to record you, you were going through it. Are you okay?

• 15:09Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, this is my karma for laughing in my TikToks while my friend can't move her face because we truly have switched positions. I was. And you know what? This is my own fault cuz I came on to the trip and I said, I'm gonna eat a fuck ton on this trip.

• 15:25Hannah Berner?

  You were determined.

• 15:26Paige DeSorbo?

  I was determined and it takes me a couple of days to like acclimate to anywhere like I can't. And sometimes people will have this problem where like they can't go to the bathroom on vacation. I get the opposite where I'm like, it's running through me to the point that last night we were at dinner and I said, I looked at the table and I go, guys, I've had a lovely time, but if I don't run back to the room, I will in fact, shit myself here at the table. So it's been lovely, but I must, I must jet. So I literally.

• 15:59Hannah Berner?

  We're supposed to record after dinner. So I'm like, hey babe, haven't heard from you. And she's like, I literally physically can't get off the toilet right now.

• 16:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the worst part. I run back to my room, my room and my brother's room. We have like adjoining door.

• 16:12Hannah Berner?

  Adorable.

• 16:13Paige DeSorbo?

  In Europe, you take, you have to put your car, your key card in like the slot from like right when you walk in the door for like the electricity. Okay.

• 16:22Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 16:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I run back to the room. They're doing turn down service in my room.

• 16:26Hannah Berner?

  Oh no.

• 16:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I'm like, it's okay. Like, and they're like, oh, well, like, I'm like, like, no one speaks English. I'm like, I didn't like, I go into my brother's room, pitch black. I don't have his key card, obviously. So I'm sitting on the toilet.

• 16:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Pure black.

• 16:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Just pitch black. And honestly, let me tell you.

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Were you sure you found the toilet?

• 16:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I had to use my flashlight on my phone.

• 16:56Hannah Berner?

  Wait, so you sat there in darkness, just relieving yourself?

• 17:04Hannah Berner?

  Imagine if your brother walked in.

• 17:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, then he came in later and he was like, are you fucking kidding?

• 17:13Paige DeSorbo?

  And actually, when we first got to the hotel, I went in and went into a hotel room and I like really had to go to the bathroom. So I go into the hotel room, I go to the bathroom and then I come out and I'm like, I actually want the other room. Like, I don't want this room, I want the one my brother's in.

• 17:30Paige DeSorbo?

  So I go, let's switch-

• 17:31Hannah Berner?

  You're so Regina George.

• 17:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, let's switch rooms. And he's like, okay. And so we switch rooms and then he goes, did you take a shit in here?

• 17:41Paige DeSorbo?

  It was like the most brother sister thing and I was just like, yeah, I did.

• 17:46Hannah Berner?

  What are you gonna do about it? Tell mom?

• 17:48Paige DeSorbo?

  It was, yeah, I'm literally, going on vacation with your siblings is like reverting back to childhood. Like, everyone reverts back to their position in the family, I feel like.

• 18:02Hannah Berner?

  The only person that finds my mouth funnier than you-

• 18:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Is your dad.

• 18:06Hannah Berner?

  Is my brother. No, my parents are like being actually really like, are you okay? My brother, he can't even look at me without crying hysterically. He thinks it's the funniest thing. But my dad, by the way, I always have a nervous stomach too and I'm known- I like to, when I get to a restaurant, I go to the bathroom, not just to go to the bathroom, but to like, see the ambiance.

• 18:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 18:28Hannah Berner?

  It, I need to know the full restaurant and the bathroom's a huge experience. So whenever I'm at a restaurant, I go, I have to go to the bathroom. I like to, how to take, between appetizer and main, I like to just clean it out.

• 18:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Go relieve yourself. Yeah.

• 18:42Hannah Berner?

  And my dad always goes, you gotta go to the bathroom? That's a surprise. That's a surprise. That, oh Hannah's going to the bathroom? That's a surprise.

• 18:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Have you ever tried to go non-dairy for like longer than-

• 18:57Hannah Berner?

  Three minutes?

• 18:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 18:59Hannah Berner?

  I've done it for like a meal and then the next meal I forgot.

• 19:02Paige DeSorbo?

  That's my thing too. Whenever I'm like, I'm on a diet, I literally forget.

• 19:07Hannah Berner?

  You have to remember.

• 19:08Paige DeSorbo?

  And like, oh yeah.

• 19:09Hannah Berner?

  I'm also like, is there dairy and scallion cream cheese? Like, yeah, I'm like, okay, well-

• 19:16Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, okay, well I planned on having a bagel, so. One thing I do want to point out that's very different from European hotels to American hotels.

• 19:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Why is there already a fork and knife in my hotel room when I have not ordered?

• 19:34Hannah Berner?

  Amazing.

• 19:37Paige DeSorbo?

  In case I happen upon a meal, they're like, don't worry, we got you. Or like, you don't have to. We're like, if you're at any hotel in America, you have to be like.

• 19:45Hannah Berner?

  They can't find a fork.

• 19:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'm like, hey, could you send up a fork? And they're like, whoa.

• 19:50Hannah Berner?

  Eight years later, they're like, we gotta turn this place upside down and we'll find you a fork.

• 19:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Where in Italy, they're like, what if you come home and you have a little snack?

• 19:59Paige DeSorbo?

  What would you do?

• 20:00Hannah Berner?

  And there's also little butter knives. There's little butter knives, right?

• 20:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Which is what happened last night when I came back to the room to go to the bathroom. Then my family came back and they brought me my leftover ravioli. And so then I ate it then.

• 20:12Hannah Berner?

  What I love about us and our families too, is we're so many character energy. Like whether it's bad or good, it's gonna be about us. Like, it is the Paige and Hannah show nonstop.

• 20:24Paige DeSorbo?

  My dad literally goes, why are you so tired? I go, because I have to perform every night at 8:00 PM. What would we do at dinner if I wasn't performing? Like, I'm exhausted. I'm doing two weeks of shows.

• 20:37Hannah Berner?

  I've been writing.

• 20:40Paige DeSorbo?

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• 21:57Paige DeSorbo?

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• 22:41Paige DeSorbo?

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• 26:10Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I have a question.

• 26:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Hannah Berner?

  So at my hotel, I'm here for three weeks, I realize I have to do laundry at the hotel. I've never done this. Have you done this before?

• 26:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Honey, you know I love an amenity at a hotel. You wanna know what I did this year?

• 26:24Hannah Berner?

  What?

• 26:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I checked in, they bring our bags up, I called down, I go, hey, any chance you guys have an unpacking service? They go, Mr. Sorbo, of course. I go, amazing. I'm gonna go to the pool.

• 26:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And they're like, great, we'll send someone up. I get changed, I go to the pool, I have my day, I come back up, all my clothes hanging. Amazing. Lovely. Do yourself a favor, ask for that next time you're at a hotel.

• 26:52Hannah Berner?

  Well, this is the problem. I don't like calling people. Second of all, so there's a laundry bag, it says laundry, so I'm like, okay, I could do this. But then it has a slip.

• 27:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I've already done two loads here. I love doing laundry on vacation.

• 27:05Hannah Berner?

  Paige, I have a huge thing of laundry. I have to go through and tell them how many of each thing.

• 27:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you waited too long. You gotta do it, you gotta do it like once a week.

• 27:15Hannah Berner?

  I'll do it after the pod, okay.

• 27:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, but it's gonna feel so good. No, that's like one of the only slips I like filling out. I'm like, do you trust this?

• 27:25Hannah Berner?

  I wasn't anticipating being in the sauna every day, so I only brought four t-shirts.

• 27:30Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you're busy. I wanna say something about Love Island.

• 27:33Hannah Berner?

  Let it out.

• 27:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm fully caught up on you, S. I said I wasn't gonna do this, but here we are, and I'm fully caught up because I can't be out of the loop of anything. And you know what? I'm like, you guys aren't even real Love Island fans, so like if anyone's gonna be in the combo, I'm gonna be in the goddamn... Is this a kidding?

• 27:48Hannah Berner?

  Oh my, that's the biggest bug I've ever seen.

• 27:51Paige DeSorbo?

  The bugs here are big. Like, they're meaty. Like, they eat...

• 27:55Hannah Berner?

  That's a fly.

• 27:56Paige DeSorbo?

  That's a fly. A fly. I was watching like one of the most recent episodes and it's so interesting watching like, obviously watching reality TV, and especially like a game show type reality TV where they're in like this incubus where it's only what they're dealing with. So there's this girl, her name is Anaya, she was coupled up with this guy, his name is Casey. They go to Casa Amor, blah, blah, blah, whatever. She comes, she's like, I'm gonna stay single, hopefully he stayed single. He doesn't. He comes back with a girl, they get in this like whole big thing, whatever. But there is a moment where she starts crying because he's come back with a girl.

• 28:38Paige DeSorbo?

  And I have never watched a reality television show and cried because I

• 28:45Hannah Berner?

  You're numb.

• 28:46Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm Scorpio, yeah, that's just not something I would ever do. I literally started tearing up because I knew, I knew in my gut, not only was she dealing with like this guy just being like the biggest asshole like. Honestly, a lot of the men on Love Island this year because they're Gen Z are very red pilled and it's very scary and I don't think people are realizing it to the full potential, like the way they talk about the girls doing sexual things is very, very back in time, like it's actually like concerning. Anyway, that's a whole separate situation, I digress. But I could tell that she, I started tearing up because I could tell that she was crying because she wanted to be like,

• 29:27Paige DeSorbo?

  and I'm being filmed right now, like she was so frustrated and she was like, and I'm on a show, like, and everyone is watching this, like, you could tell it wasn't just about the guy, it was about like, and I can't, I feel like I'm in jail because I can't fuck it, like I want to leave, I have to leave.

• 29:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, and she's like, this is fucking embarrassing and I didn't sign up to be embarrassed, I signed up to like find love.

• 29:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Have fun and like have, yes, and so there was, I just felt so horrible for her, I literally started, like I had a full tear run down my face because I was like, I know exactly what you're feeling, like, I was almost like, yeah, girl, go home, like, if you want to go home, go home, like, I'm a very big proponent of like, and I'll leave. Fuck you and I'm going home.

• 30:15Hannah Berner?

  There are so many times I tried slash should have left and I didn't. Because I told myself I'm not a quitter. Sometimes you should quit.

• 30:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Persevere.

• 30:24Hannah Berner?

  I think with reality TV too, like Paige and I aren't cryers and we've cried on TV many times. Because when there's a camera there, everything feels so much more intense.

• 30:34Paige DeSorbo?

  And serious.

• 30:36Hannah Berner?

  Serious. And that's why when someone does something mean on camera, it's so much meaner because you're like, you know, the whole world's gonna see you say that about me. So like you want, you want the whole world to think that about me?

• 30:49Paige DeSorbo?

  There are so many times where you're like, on camera? Are you fucking kidding me?

• 30:53Hannah Berner?

  That came out of your mouth on camera?

• 30:55Paige DeSorbo?

  And there are times, I think too, that you realize that not everyone is built like you. Because there would be situations where I, like in my head, I'd be like, I would never fucking do that to you on camera. Look, there's been horrible men on Love Island since 2015. It's not like this is...

• 31:12Hannah Berner?

  Beginning of time.

• 31:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it's not like it's like a nuanced thing. But never once in my years of watching Love Island have I ever heard a man say or complain that the girl he has coupled up with is not doing enough sexual things with him. And also, the way they...

• 31:32Hannah Berner?

  Didn't they just meet?

• 31:33Paige DeSorbo?

  The way the men disguise, like, well, I'm just very affectionate. Well, my love language is affection. Yeah, no shit you want your dick sucked. Like, we're not idiots.

• 31:41Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Paige DeSorbo?

  But the way they're talking about like the sexual acts that the girls are doing or not doing, it's like, hey, they're on national television. Like, I think it's a pretty plausible thing to not wanna fuck on a television show.

• 31:59Hannah Berner?

  I'm confused though. Are the guys wanting the girls to be more sexual or judging them for being sexual or both?

• 32:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Both. So they want them to be more sexual with them, but like if a girl explores more than one, they're like, really? Do you need to explore more than one person? Yeah, it's fucking Love Island. That's the whole goddamn point of the show.

• 32:19Hannah Berner?

  Meanwhile, they're, they're talking to everyone. Wait, what's with the, um, it's called the clamshell drop or something?

• 32:30Hannah Berner?

  It's the split where she's, it's called slamming the clam. She's slamming her clam.

• 32:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Is that what they're calling it?

• 32:37Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that's what's coming up in my algorithm. The clam slam.

• 32:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Clam slam. Okay, I actually don't hate that. But yeah, she does a lot of splits.

• 32:43Hannah Berner?

  I'm so fucking jealous. Honestly, I'm so fucking jealous. If I could slam my clam, oh!

• 32:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah, if you could do splits, I'd actually have to reevaluate our friendship.

• 32:53Hannah Berner?

  Wait, do you know, that's why I started watching Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders yesterday.

• 32:58Paige DeSorbo?

  And your thoughts, honey?

• 33:00Hannah Berner?

  I have, I watched the whole first season, honey.

• 33:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm so glad you didn't do it the way you did Mormon Wives where you literally went backwards because that was diabolical.

• 33:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that confused me.

• 33:09Paige DeSorbo?

  So you're one season in, okay.

• 33:11Hannah Berner?

  My thoughts are, these women literally bring these cheerleaders out back

• 33:18Hannah Berner?

  and leave them for dead.

• 33:19Paige DeSorbo?

  They're like, oh, did you gain three pounds? Fuck out of here. They're like, hey, legally, we can't tell you to lose weight, but if we could, we'd say, look on the scale, minus it by forty.

• 33:31Hannah Berner?

  I think it's because I watched the whole season in a day, but everyone's really sad. Like, it's too depressing for me to watch because they're, whether it's, whether they're doing well, they're like, this is really sad. And then if they're not doing well, they're like, this is really sad.

• 33:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 33:50Hannah Berner?

  They're all, they're all so stressed and scared of missing like one pom-pom routine. And they're all overqualified. They're all overqualified for what this gig is paying them, obviously.

• 34:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I, I kinda want someone to say to the, you know how it's the two coaches and then the head woman? Have you met the head woman?

• 34:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 34:09Paige DeSorbo?

  She's got brown hair, blue eyes.

• 34:10Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 34:11Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like in charge of Judy and the other lady.

• 34:13Hannah Berner?

  She's Jerry Jones's daughter.

• 34:15Paige DeSorbo?

  She's scary as fuck, okay? There's something really, really terrifying about her.

• 34:23Paige DeSorbo?

  And I don't know what it is.

• 34:26Hannah Berner?

  It's rich people shit.

• 34:27Paige DeSorbo?

  And I think it's her blue eyes, like.

• 34:29Hannah Berner?

  That's another realm that I've never been to. She's such a billionaire that she doesn't understand, like, anything where the head, the other head lady was like, how do we tell this girl who's good enough? That she can't make the team for no reason? And she goes, we have thirty six girls.

• 34:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:49Hannah Berner?

  Tell her thirty six, it's easy.

• 34:52Paige DeSorbo?

  She's literally like, you're ugly. You're not making the team, you're hideous. And, okay, look, I love a makeover, like, I truly, I love a makeover scene. I love, I'd love to give someone a makeover, like, I watch, even like watching Love Island, like, the girls are gorgeous, but I'm like, ooh, what if we like took your eyelashes off, cut your hair? And like, like, I'm always thinking, like, what are random things? Cause that's my hobby. I, and not in like a judgmental, mean way.

• 35:21Hannah Berner?

  Are your passion.

• 35:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'm just like, what if you wear a brunette? The way they do the makeovers. I, I, I'm sorry, but if you put me in that room in Dallas, Texas, I don't know if it's because it's like east coast, but in ten minutes, I'm lighting those bitches up. Like, I'm like, who the fuck do you think you are? Like, and I don't know if it's because the girls are like young twenties and they feel like these women are like authority and they have to respect them. But like, fuck, there are so many times where I'm watching the show where I'd be like, and fuck you.

• 35:57Hannah Berner?

  Paige, to this day, I'll sit down in a, in a makeup bar, so do my makeup and just do some crazy shit and I'll say thank you and leave. Like, I get it. I get it. I bleached my own hair. I was like, no, that was me.

• 36:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, but okay, but if you want to do something, like, that's autonomy, yeah, do whatever you want.

• 36:17Hannah Berner?

  Well, they do it before they let them in. They, they made that girl dye her hair brown and then told her she's not on the team.

• 36:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, what the fuck is that? I think that is so rude.

• 36:29Hannah Berner?

  The girls from the seventies are so iconic, cuz. The team was actually the best in the seventies, so like they made him famous, so it is cool to see those women.

• 36:40Hannah Berner?

  But then I hate when people say, and they do this a lot on the show, it's very cultish, they go, this, these are the best years of your life. And they purposely tell that to them over and over again, so that these girls feel lucky and these girls are gonna look back and be like, oh, that was my most insecure, scariest time. And by the way, stop saying these are the best, college is not the best years of your life, your twenties are not the best years of your life. Anyone who says that to you is lying.

• 37:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I hated college.

• 37:07Hannah Berner?

  You know what the best years of your life are? This moment right now.

• 37:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, whatever you fucking want.

• 37:13Hannah Berner?

  Literally. But yeah, those women are scary as fuck, also.

• 37:17Paige DeSorbo?

  They're super scary.

• 37:18Hannah Berner?

  I do watch a lot of things and get inspired, like I'll watch a music documentary of like a rock star and I'll be like, I want to be a rock star. Or I'll watch like a documentary of like a softball pitcher and I'll be like, I want to be a softball pitcher one day. Not one ounce of me wanted to be a cheerleader, watching that.

• 37:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Me watching it, I'm like, oh, I love the outfits, I love, like I, but I love really girly stuff like that. But what I don't like, well, I don't like, I don't like being managed, you can't tell me what to goddamn do. So I don't know if I could actually be like on an organized sports team as an adult.

• 38:00Hannah Berner?

  My biggest thing, and I don't know what this says about me, but I hate being part of like a stream of salmon, does that make sense?

• 38:11Paige DeSorbo?

  You hate going with the crowd?

• 38:13Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like I hate being like, you've made it to be a nondescript beautiful girl in the crowd of beautiful girls and you all just are like one beautiful girl now. Like I love individuality and being myself and expressing myself and I feel like they're trying to make you be something that none of them actually are. Like all these girls are different and beautiful in their own ways and they're all trying to be these caricatures. I just love being my own person. So that was driving me crazy that it's like you have to fit in with what everyone's doing, wear the same thing, look the same, be the same.

• 38:47Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what I'd love? I'd love this exact show for the Rockettes.

• 38:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I'd love to know, I would say it's very, I'd say it's probably same ages. Same, I, I think they have to try out every single year. I'd love to know, also professional dancers. I'd love to know how they get treated, it being in New York City versus Dallas, Texas.

• 39:12Hannah Berner?

  Well, some of the Dallas, Texas girls were talking about how they could try to be a Rockette because they have the skills. What do you think of Victoria?

• 39:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, sweet girl. I feel really bad for her.

• 39:25Hannah Berner?

  So for people who don't know Victoria, basically her whole life was about becoming a Dallas cheerleader. She's like sitting in her room with like all these Dallas cheerleader merchandise and stuff.

• 39:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I think the coaches were disgusting to her. I think they were so mean to her.

• 39:39Hannah Berner?

  Well, she also was like, I feel like I don't fit in. None of the coaches like want me to do well. And in her, this is, it kind of reminded me of tennis a little where I was like, this has been my dream my whole life. But it got to a point where I was like, every sign is telling me to stop. And I have to stop blindly chasing this dream. So I really empathize with her.

• 40:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:02Hannah Berner?

  Where I was like, you're gonna learn from this fucked up experience. But like, she's not where she's meant to be and that's why everything was just like going wrong for her.

• 40:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I think she goes and becomes a Rockette.

• 40:14Hannah Berner?

  Fuck yeah.

• 40:15Paige DeSorbo?

  You know how they say that like men don't respect women that they don't find attractive?

• 40:21Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 40:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Neither do older women in Texas.

• 40:24Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 40:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Over forty, they actually feel the same way.

• 40:29Hannah Berner?

  Therese, who's adorable, they were like, oh, we met your boyfriend. He's not what we thought he would be. And she's like, what do you mean? And they go, we thought you'd be with like a football player or something. And she's like, no, he doesn't play football. And they're like, okay.

• 40:45Paige DeSorbo?

  And if someone ever fucking said that to my face.

• 40:49Hannah Berner?

  You're so jacked up right now.

• 40:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been hanging with my dad for too long. It's been like five days and I'm like, what'd you say?

• 41:00Hannah Berner?

  You go and I think it was disgusting.

• 41:03Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it was despicable is what it is because like. I'm not in like an authority. I'm not like the authority of anyone like I'm not. I mean, I guess I am people's boss, but I don't ever see it like that. So like, I don't know how you can be in charge of a group of people. Regardless of what your job is, but especially be in charge of a group of women who are significant. That would be like me running a fourth grade. Team ch- no, this is exactly what it is.

• 41:37Hannah Berner?

  Sophia, can I talk to you for a second?

• 41:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I am the coach of a fifth grade cheerleading team and I'm gonna be mean to those bitches? No. Uh, no, because I could have birthed them.

• 41:49Hannah Berner?

  Well, with age comes wiseness. Like there were so many moments where I feel like she could have given like. Wise advice, but instead she was just like, get out of here. You're maybe next year. Maybe next year, girl. God bless. Bless her heart.

• 42:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And the girls are always in the room, like the coaches are being so mean to them and the girls are always in the room like, thank you so much.

• 42:10Hannah Berner?

  One of the rules is you have to say, yes, ma'am. And if they don't, they go, would you? And she goes, yes, ma'am. But also what's crazy is these girls, like on game day. They're working from nine AM to nine PM.

• 42:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, right. They're getting up at like five.

• 42:25Hannah Berner?

  Crazy, like longer than the football players. These girls are working.

• 42:29Paige DeSorbo?

  And they were like, why don't you want $2 an hour? They're like, that's not enough for you?

• 42:34Hannah Berner?

  Well, at the end, they had, the girls had to say like, if they want to come back and I'm like, can they afford to?

• 42:39Paige DeSorbo?

  The one girl's like, I need a hip replacement.

• 42:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Also, like, I feel like they can cut the splits. Like if every girl is like. Hey, um, my femur bone is hurt, like is, it's on its last leg.

• 42:55Hannah Berner?

  They have this dance called thunderstruck, which is like what they're known for.

• 42:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, it's a phenomenal dance.

• 43:01Hannah Berner?

  It's a phenomenal dance, but it turns out it's like the hardest dance to do. And I'm like. We could, no one would notice if we cut 30 seconds.

• 43:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Why isn't anyone bringing up the fact that they do the same dance every single year? You guys don't want to switch it up ever? Like, I don't. The same thi- yeah, like, you know, no wonder some people are so good at it. They've been doing it for twenty years, like.

• 43:24Hannah Berner?

  And also, when they kept saying that the splits are like ruining their body, even though I was jealous, I couldn't do it. I was like, I couldn't watch it. I was like, these girls are use- losing, I can't watch them split their, cuz they do a jump split. It was like a drag queen move. They're doing like death drops.

• 43:40Paige DeSorbo?

  In this season, tho- there's one girl that's like, no, my doctor said if I do another split, that's it.

• 43:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And the coaches are like, well, what are you gonna do? And she's like, I'm gonna ice it, ma'am. Don't worry, I'm gonna ice. I'm like, you need to go to Alaska. You need more ice than what's in your refrigerator in Texas.

• 43:58Hannah Berner?

  She's like, someone get Kenzie from Love Island, she'll do the splits.

• 44:02Paige DeSorbo?

  It's just such a fin- it's just a freaking weird show.

• 44:04Hannah Berner?

  Are season two and three better or different?

• 44:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Season three was real weird. Season three was not as good as season one and two.

• 44:13Hannah Berner?

  There is just a sadness to it all, though. Like, it was really sad. Also, I am sad, so that could have been it.

• 44:19Paige DeSorbo?

  There's a certain dark energy that I can't put my finger on.

• 44:23Hannah Berner?

  It's real dark. Wait, can I get you mad about something?

• 44:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Fuck yeah.

• 44:28Hannah Berner?

  So, apparently, they're putting tons of money into like trying to secure male baldness. And it's like millions of dollars more than any research they've done for endometriosis. The like discrepancy between the money going towards male bal- baldness versus endometriosis studies is like insane.

• 44:48Paige DeSorbo?

  You're balding because God believes in karma. So either deal with it or go pay thirty grand to get a hair transplant.

• 44:59Hannah Berner?

  I knew I was gonna get you going.

• 45:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know it takes ten years to even get diagnosed with endometriosis?

• 45:07Hannah Berner?

  Cuz no one cares about it.

• 45:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we don't need to diagnose you motherfuckers with male pattern baldness. We know when you're ugly. Put a hat on.

• 45:16Hannah Berner?

  Also, I would argue that whoever's voting for where the money goes in the senate or the state or the whatever, I bet those men don't know what endometriosis is.

• 45:26Paige DeSorbo?

  I have so many exes that are balding, and let me tell you, the joy that it fucking brings me is un- there's no greater joy. I have at least four, and I love it.

• 45:34Hannah Berner?

  I just got notified that one of my exes got a hair- hair replacement or whatever.

• 45:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, as they should.

• 45:42Hannah Berner?

  And you guys karma's real karma works. That's, that's one thing we know for sure on this pod.

• 45:49Paige DeSorbo?

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• 47:03Speaker 03

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• 47:32Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:17Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:52Hannah Berner?

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• 49:35Hannah Berner?

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• 49:47Hannah Berner?

  Did I talk about how I got stuck in a gay pride?

• 49:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you walked in the middle of it?

• 50:01Hannah Berner?

  Let me set the scene. So I'm in Toronto and they told me where to get my um spray tan and I had to physically go somewhere. And I was like, I'm picking the best place because I'm scared of what's recently happened to me. I did all this research. This is the place to go. So it's like a 15 minute walk, but like a six minute Uber. And of course, I was like fucking around in the bathroom when I was running late. So I was like, fuck it, I'll Uber. 10 minutes in, I realized this Uber, we're still in traffic. And it's one of those where like if you're late by 10 minutes, they cancel the call. So I start freaking out.

• 50:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, not very Canadian of them.

• 50:37Hannah Berner?

  No, I know. So I called them and I'm like, hey, just stuck in traffic. But it says soon, the guy's like, all the roads are closed. All the Toronto roads are closed. I'm like, okay, why is this happening? He's like, I don't know. And I'm like, I'll just get out and figure this out. So I get out and I start going on the street I'm supposed to be on that was closed. Next thing you know, middle of the Pride Parade. I'm literally dancing to Ariana Grande. Rain on me, rain, rain, rain on me.

• 51:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, what's it called when you're the, like, you're the head of the parade? What is that called? Like the grand? What is that called? No, I'm Googling it. That's some, that's called something.

• 51:14Hannah Berner?

  I was like, let's keep going faster, faster, running late to my tan appointment, which I feel like was like, uh, people understood. But I'm literally getting through the Pride Parade while there was a drag queen at one point. I was like, yes, queen, yes, queen. Um, and I had the best time on Toronto Pride.

• 51:33Paige DeSorbo?

  A grand marshal.

• 51:35Hannah Berner?

  I'm the grand marshal of Toronto gay pride.

• 51:39Hannah Berner?

  Also, let's be honest, completely lesbian passing. Everyone was like, finally.

• 51:45Hannah Berner?

  I was wearing, what I'm wearing right now, big t-shirt and just loving life. And when I got in, I was like, sorry, I was in the pride parade. Sorry I'm late. And she was like, it's okay.

• 51:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you interested in anything World Cup related? Like, have you watched any games or you don't care? Cause sometimes, cause you're a sports girlie really at heart. So sometimes you will dabble in other like genres and where I like, I'm not like, I'm not like turning on a soccer game, you know?

• 52:17Hannah Berner?

  You know, it's funny, cause Dez is European.

• 52:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 52:21Hannah Berner?

  So he likes soccer. Something about it, I haven't wrapped my head around it.

• 52:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you can't get into it.

• 52:27Hannah Berner?

  I can't get into it, cause yeah, I haven't, no. I've also been like going through it, so I haven't been able to, but also soccer, I have trouble watching.

• 52:35Paige DeSorbo?

  One thing I think about a lot with soccer players is because the field is big and they're running the whole time. How do they not shit themselves?

• 52:47Hannah Berner?

  You know, it is.

• 52:49Paige DeSorbo?

  How are marathon runners not shitting themselves?

• 52:51Hannah Berner?

  I think they are.

• 52:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Are they?

• 52:53Hannah Berner?

  They are.

• 52:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Because like if you go dog sledding, the dogs shit themselves because they're running so much.

• 52:58Hannah Berner?

  As a marathon runner now.

• 53:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:01Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, you won't have to shit and the second you get on that treadmill, you're like, okay, after I've put my purse down, set up my iPhone, I almost said iPad, iPhone, put my Gatorade down. Now I suddenly have to shit myself because my body's like, I have to run. But no, when you're like in the adrenaline, it's like when you're on stage, you get, it holds in. Unless you're going through like a real stomach situation, but um, with soccer with me, I don't know what they're trying to do. So I can't tell when someone's doing something good or bad. Cause no one's getting in the goal. So I just, it just like, looks like people are kicking it to each other. But again, I know I'm being a stupid American when I say that.

• 53:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I just like, anytime I watch a sport, I think of like, okay, in what way would I get hurt? And I'm like, someone would kick my shin and that's it, I'm done.

• 53:45Hannah Berner?

  Well, apparently it has as many, okay, that's a made up stat, but like, there's a lot of concussions. Because they all jump and try to head the ball. So everyone's jumping and then like head butting each other and just cracking each other's skulls.

• 54:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Wow.

• 54:02Hannah Berner?

  No, that's not good. Which leads us to woman in STEM of the week.

• 54:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Hell yeah.

• 54:08Hannah Berner?

  There's a girl who, I don't know what happened, but she lost her license.

• 54:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, okay, and it could have been, could have been a lot of things.

• 54:16Hannah Berner?

  Could have been many things, we don't judge. But she's in college and like has to get to class, so she's driving around.

• 54:23Paige DeSorbo?

  So she lost it within four years of having it, essentially. Not great. Not great.

• 54:31Hannah Berner?

  But to get to class now, she's driving around in a Barbie Jeep. And like dead serious, like.

• 54:38Paige DeSorbo?

  On campus? And that's innovation, and that's just like smart. Why? It, there's no different than taking like a scooter or a bike.

• 54:49Hannah Berner?

  It's just so funny because she looks like miserable going to class in her Barbie.

• 54:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, can you send me that video? Because I love that.

• 54:56Hannah Berner?

  It's very you-coded.

• 54:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I love that so much. I'm almost like, why didn't I think of that?

• 55:01Hannah Berner?

  I feel like because you've been in Italy, I've had to, I know, I'm just like scrolling my phone. I have so many random news stories for us. Have you heard of the cake pop, pop drama?

• 55:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Cake pop? K-pop?

• 55:13Hannah Berner?

  Cake pop.

• 55:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Cake? Okay.

• 55:15Hannah Berner?

  Cake. Cake, so, sorry, I can't really speak right now.

• 55:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I'm sorry, it's a cake, cake situation.

• 55:23Hannah Berner?

  True, cake pop drama.

• 55:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 55:27Hannah Berner?

  Basically, a girl makes cake pops.

• 55:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 55:31Hannah Berner?

  And it's a real art form, like people really follow these.

• 55:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Like a Starbucks cake pop?

• 55:37Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, so they make it at home and they basically make the cake with a cake batter, like that you buy like Betty Crocker. And then it's kind of fun to watch them dip it into different things and it's like different colors, they do tie dye, whatever. I actually got kind of into it for a second.

• 55:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, women and sound.

• 55:52Hannah Berner?

  One of the women is like, hey, I'm really annoyed. This woman stole my, my recipe for fruity Pebbles cake pops. The girl posts crying and she's like, I didn't steal your recipe. I don't know your recipe. You don't post your recipe. She's like, it's fruity Pebbles and Betty Crocker. Like, what recipe are you talking about? Everyone gets mad at the first girl and the first girl's like, has to quit cake popping because her business is now canceled.

• 56:22Hannah Berner?

  Because she accused the other girl of stealing her cake pop recipe and that made that girl cry.

• 56:29Paige DeSorbo?

  We've really lost the plot.

• 56:31Hannah Berner?

  This is why the patriarchy is winning, you guys.

• 56:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Because we're getting caught up in cake pop situations. Wait, I saw that the girl, there's a girl that tried to trademark hot girl walk.

• 56:42Hannah Berner?

  Everyone's talking about it now, like, girls need to stop claiming general things.

• 56:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I just feel like with the internet, everyone thinks they're like a lawyer and a doctor. And I think like the first, one of the biggest things about like being mature and self-aware is admitting when you don't know something and you're not an authority on it and being like, being like, I don't know that, or like, I wouldn't, how would I know? But the internet, everyone is like an authority, like.

• 57:16Hannah Berner?

  Well, that's the problem. Some of them are getting bad advice. Like this one girl said a lawyer told her, like, it was your recipe, you're allowed to fight for this. But these lawyers don't understand like nuance and like culture that like, okay, maybe.

• 57:29Paige DeSorbo?

  You can't trademark a common phrase. Just, and also, if anything, Megan Thee Stallion started hot girl whatever. So, how would you even?

• 57:41Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's like us trying to trademark giggle. That's like, we didn't invent giggling.

• 57:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Right, like, well.

• 57:50Hannah Berner?

  Also,

• 57:54Hannah Berner?

  it's, it's just like, I guess, people having people in their ear trying to make money and using the legal system. And back then, I think all this stuff used to happen. Like back then, everyone suing everyone. But nowadays, you can kind of, it can go viral online.

• 58:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, I think Paris Hilton trademarked that's hot.

• 58:12Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I think it's a common thing that people make money off of, I mean, do you remember websites? People were just like, I own peanuts.com. And you're like, okay, you got, you got it first.

• 58:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Somebody owned page desorbo.com for a really long time and I used to try and figure out who it was because I genuinely thought it was someone I knew just trying to like fuck with me. Because then, wait, remember when someone owned giggly squad.com and they wanted us to pay like thousands and thousands of dollars? And we were like, fuck you, we'll do a hyphen.

• 58:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that's why we have hyphen. We were like, okay, we literally, it's crazy that you think we care about our brand.

• 58:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, last thing I'm doing is giving some random ass man money for my name. Keep it, babe, keep it.

• 58:57Hannah Berner?

  Apparently someone, yeah, did at Giggly Squad on Twitter and they were like, you have to buy it from us. And we're like, that's hilarious. You think we use Twitter?

• 59:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I haven't gone on Twitter since 2006. Have a great time.

• 59:08Hannah Berner?

  You can keep our Twitter. You can keep it, babe.

• 59:11Paige DeSorbo?

  There's someone on Facebook like pretending to be me and so many people have DM'd me about it. Like, hey, like, just want to let you know. And I'm like, who the fuck is on Facebook? I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like.

• 59:23Hannah Berner?

  Mental health moment of the week. I did see a TikTok that was really helpful because as you guys know, I'm not very good at processing my emotions. Sometimes I just turn it into jokes and then I cry about it alone after. And I still to this day, I'm like, what does it fucking mean to process an emotion? Like, I don't understand, especially as an athlete where it's like, how do you feel? And you're like, good. I'm, I'm fine. I'm strong. So this woman said, processing an emotion is when you feel an emotion before you immediately try to.

• 59:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Fix it?

• 59:54Hannah Berner?

  Fix it, um, call your mom, try to make it feel better, eat something to soften the blow before you do anything. She basically was like, sit in the emotion, just like, don't do, and basically don't do anything. Cause I was like, what does processing mean? She's like, just let it, just feel it. And it's uncomfortable, whether it's hatred, anger, shame, envy, sadness, sit in it. And give it like a couple of minutes and then do something because it trains your body to learn that it's safe for you to feel. So the next time that emotion comes up, you don't panic as much because your body has sat with it before and it didn't do anything crazy.

• 1:00:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay. Well, I've never processed an emotion before, so that was enlightening now that I realize that.

• 1:00:42Hannah Berner?

  The second you feel bad emotion, what do you do? You grab your gua sha and you start your skincare routine.

• 1:00:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, okay, I guess I actually immediately start yelling, but yeah.

• 1:00:54Hannah Berner?

  So I guess, sitting with it makes your body less impulsive to be scared of feeling. And then, once you can handle your feelings, you're kind of fucking unstoppable.

• 1:01:06Paige DeSorbo?

  You know that book, um, it's called like, it, I forget what it's called, but it basically tells you if you're like, every girl I feel like has read it. I haven't read it, but I feel like we should, because I want to know what each of us are.

• 1:01:17Hannah Berner?

  Maybe that could be the second book you read.

• 1:01:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Maybe, where it's like, you're either like anxious attachment.

• 1:01:23Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:24Paige DeSorbo?

  And then like, I don't know what the other ones are, but I really want to know what I am, because I know that whatever I am, it's something anxious.

• 1:01:34Hannah Berner?

  Did not need a doctor to tell you that.

• 1:01:39Hannah Berner?

  Don't need to read a whole book, darling, to tell you that.

• 1:01:45Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what? Maybe I do need just the DCC cap, or coaches, to tell me what the, really? What the fuck is wrong with me? Maybe they're, maybe actually they have it right. Maybe they're just, the bluntness is what.

• 1:01:58Hannah Berner?

  The truth is, all I want is Judy to think I'm, I'm cool, I'm amazing. Like, all I want is Judy to love me. After watching it, I was like, put me in front of Judy and, and I will say, how hot.

• 1:02:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I said the same thing for very different reasons. I said, you know what? Put me in that room right now.

• 1:02:16Hannah Berner?

  This is my impression of Judy watching me walk into the audition room.

• 1:02:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, your screen is frozen, so I actually can't see you, so it's like, really annoying me.

• 1:02:26Hannah Berner?

  Is it? How long has it been frozen?

• 1:02:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, five minutes.

• 1:02:33Hannah Berner?

  Okay, well, this is how we're ending the episode is my impression of me walking into audition room. And Judy and the other one are there. Oh, she's pear shaped.

• 1:02:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, she's pear shaped?

• 1:02:50Hannah Berner?

  Oh, that's not a pretty smile. Oh, no, she didn't.

• 1:02:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, is she a redhead? I don't think a natural one.

• 1:02:58Hannah Berner?

  Oh, no. Why does it look like she's crying every time she smiles? Okay, oh.

• 1:03:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I think her fingers are just as stubby as her legs, and I don't think.

• 1:03:10Paige DeSorbo?

  They also say the meanest things in the nicest tone. I'm like, wait, that's really mean.

• 1:03:15Hannah Berner?

  Her mom never taught her how to use a razor on her thigh.

• 1:03:19Paige DeSorbo?

  I will say, some of the meanest people I've ever met in my whole life, I'm really sorry, but have been southern. Like, they just have been where I'm like, oh, my God, I've dealt with, like, I've had a girl yell in my face before, and she wasn't even this mean. This is scary.

• 1:03:40Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, southern ladies will speak like this and just rip you a new one.

• 1:03:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, because there's something very demonic about that they don't change their tone, and it's like a nice tone, and it's like, that's the most evil thing I've ever heard. And I think it's something that, like, they're very vocal about being religious, but I'm like, okay, um,

• 1:04:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't think he'd approve of that. Okay, that's, okay. Anyway.

• 1:04:11Hannah Berner?

  You guys have the best weekend ever. We love you so much. Thank you for giggling with us, and we'll talk to y'all later. Bye.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Everyone knows those red Target bags, but what's inside? That's a different story for everybody. Maybe it's something new you didn't know you needed. Something that makes life a little easier? Or turns an ordinary Tuesday into something to look forward to? Because a Target bag isn't just full of things. It's full of what you need, what you love, and even what you'll love next. This fall, all that's new and uniquely you. It's in the bag, only at Target.

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