168. The Scariest Reddit Stories We’ve Heard (feat. Kris & Celina from Can't Sleep)

Today, we’re reading Reddit's scariest stories with KallMeKris and CelinaSpookyBoo. From glitches in the Matrix that defy all sense of logic, haunted houses full of vengeful ghosts, and a man showing up at someone’s door at 2am knowing way too many intimate details about them. Some of these have explanations. Some of them don't. And honestly? The ones with answers are scarier. Find Kris and Celina Here! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CantSleepChannel Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7d7IFyuNrSof7vv2kEd6wy?si=f9b68b5dbc294c13 Our Small Business Spotlight this week is Welcome to the Club! Shop their store here: http://wttcclothing.com. http://wttcclothing.comIf you use code HSP10 you can get a 10% off! Subscribe on⁠ Patreon⁠ https://www.patreon.com/heartstartspounding to become a member of our Rogue Detecting Society and enjoy ad-free listening, monthly bonus content, merch discounts and more. Members of our High Council on Patreon also have access to our weekly after-show, Footnotes, where I share my case file with our producer, Matt. You can also enjoy many of these same perks, including ad-free listening and bonus content when you subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Follow on⁠ Tik Tok⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@heartstartspounding?lang=en and⁠ Instagram⁠ https://www.instagram.com/heartstartspounding/ for a daily dose of horror.

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• 0:00Kaelyn Moore?

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• 0:45Kaelyn Moore?

  but our listeners can now get an additional 20% off plus free shipping with code HSP at J I Y U skin dot com. That's J I Y U skin dot com and use code HSP for an additional 20% off. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them our show sent you. Welcome back to Hard Side's Pounding. As always, I'm your host, Kayla Moore. I, like many of you, spend a lot of time trying to find terrifying stories on the internet to scare myself with. Why do we do this to ourselves? Well, that's probably for a therapist to figure out one day. But today, I wanted to share with you some of the creepiest tales I've found from Reddit with my dear friends, Chris and Selena from the Can't Sleep channel. And this is actually perfect timing for Listener Appreciation Month, because Chris and Selena are probably two of the most requested guests that I've gotten from you all.

• 1:30Kaelyn Moore?

  And speaking of Listener Appreciation Month, just a reminder that we have free shipping on all of our merch in our merch store. You can find that at heartsarts pounding dot com. I've also been sending some free goodies to you guys who are posting on Instagram where you listen. You can tag me in your Instagram stories and hashtag where I listen, HSP, and I might reshare some of those and also send you a code for some goodies. Also, this week, I did want to shout out another one of your small businesses. This time, it's Welcome to the Club Clothing. I heard from listener Jessie, who is the founder and the co-owner. So I ordered their famous oversized black t-shirt that says Still Emo in Rhinestones. And you guys, I'm not kidding when I say I have gotten so many compliments on this shirt. I was just in Austin for South by Southwest, and I wore it around downtown one day,

• 2:16Kaelyn Moore?

  and I swear I was like an emo whisperer. One guy even stopped me on the street to talk about Hawthorne Heights for like 20 minutes. I was cracking up. I'm gonna include a link in the description so that you can get your own Still Emo shirt, if you are like me, still emo, or really anything from their collection. And just a huge shout out to them and truly all of our listeners that are putting in the work on their own small businesses, because you guys are rock stars. All right, back to the episode with my friends, Chris and Selena. Chris and Selena, welcome to Heart Starts Pounding.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Hi, thank you. Thanks for having us.

• 2:49Kaelyn Moore?

  I am so excited to have you guys. You have both, I told you this before, but probably the most requested guests per my audience.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:57Kaelyn Moore?

  So I think everyone's gonna be really excited that you're here. Yeah, absolutely. Well, because you guys kind of cover it all. Like, Chris, you have your true crime channel, you guys talk about a lot of ghosty stuff, you go to a lot of ghosty places. It's really just like a, it's kismet that we're all here.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, I feel like it just makes sense. Yeah, we had a little talk before we met here right now. And yeah, it just made sense.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Get together.

• 3:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Have you guys gone anywhere ghosty recently?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Selena has.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  I've been out being spooky. Chris and I need to get back together. We have plans, though. We're heading back out into the ghost wilderness in the next couple of months.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you have like the first place on your list that you're gonna hit, like, right away?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  No, not yet.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Not exactly.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  We're like, not really good at planning. We just kind of, we're like, two weeks before, we're like, we should figure this out. And then we figure it out.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  It works.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:44Kaelyn Moore?

  No, that's the best way to do it. That's the best way to do it. I, one of the episodes I did for the show, I went to Salem and we stayed in the Henry Derby House. Very spooky, 10 out of 10, highly recommend. And me, I'm like, I'm a planner, so I like to go in with a plan and I like to, okay, what are we gonna film first? Like, what do we want to do first? Like, how are we gonna do this? And then I went with Two Girls, One Ghost. And they were like, let's just vibe, let's just feel it out, like, see where, and that was the absolute right way to do it.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:12Kaelyn Moore?

  You can't have too much of a plan, because things go awry in those situations.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  You gotta have a beat sheet. That's all.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we kind of, yeah, we go in, we don't plan like what room is what. We do a little tour first and we're like, this room seems weird. It has vibes. This room and this, yeah. So it is vibes. We base it, we base it off vibes mostly too.

• 4:31Kaelyn Moore?

  When you walk into a place, do you feel like you get a vibe immediately? Cause some people are more sensitive than others.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Selena's the vibe picker upper.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Oh, definitely, definitely. But I feel like, Chris, you're getting more and more into it. Every time I feel like you bring it up now, before even I do, I like to watch her and see, and I can like see the shift in her and I'll be like, she feels it too.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  I'm her padawan, basically. Yeah. She's like, is she learning? Yeah, no, it's cool.

• 4:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Selena, like, where do you feel it? If you walk into a room and you immediately know something's up, like, how do you feel it in your body?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  So for me, I get like a little visual, like, you know, static on a TV? It's static near the roof for me. So it's almost like my eyes get a little pins and needles in my eyes up top. And then it's usually goosebumps or my neck gets hot. So those are the order and that one kind of goes in.

• 5:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Ooh, okay. Yeah, I feel, I definitely feel the face getting hot. That's something.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Ear ringing? Left ear ring. I know it's not biological.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  She's just got tinnitus and having a stroke.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  It's like something don't feel right in this room.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  We have a paramedic on site. It's fine. Yeah.

• 5:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Just in, just in case.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  But we were, we were talking about it on our, we were filming right before this, how excited we were to actually talk to a different person.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're like, we've never collabed with Can't Sleep With Anybody. It's supposed to be fun.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, your first collab.

• 5:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh, no way.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:53Kaelyn Moore?

  Wait, I'm so honored.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:55Kaelyn Moore?

  This is great. I'm so excited.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  I mean, technically, we're on your channel, but we will have you on our channel.

• 6:00Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes. No, that's great. We, no, honestly, like, so excited you guys are here. So excited we were able to plan this. We have some really scary stories that I'm excited to get into today. And so I'm gonna kick it off. I want to tell you about this. Cause like the stories I found, honestly, were just me on Reddit at one in the morning in between feedings being like, let me just scare myself.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:24Kaelyn Moore?

  As I was coming through, just scary stories. And I found, so the first thing I want to read you is I found this thread. This is from four months ago in r slash ghosts. And the thread, these are my favorite threads on Reddit. But someone just asks, what is that one story that not only made you believe in the paranormal, but also sends chills down your spine to this day? And I'm not talking about, I heard something move in the kitchen. I mean, something disturbing. And so this first personal experience story that someone wrote out comes from a poster called Clementine Yeah. And they wrote, not a story, but a personal experience. I had a friend when I was little, probably aged seven to 10, given how well I remember her. She was older than I was and she had long brown hair.

• 7:08Kaelyn Moore?

  She always wore the same thing, black jeans and a red polo shirt. She would just show up and play with me. Usually we would play Barbies. We would play together for hours and then she would tell me she would have to go and she would leave. One night, when I was 10, I woke up and one of my Barbie dolls was standing on my dresser and her little purple plastic brush was going down through her hair. I couldn't see anyone holding it, but somehow I just knew that it was my friend. I sat up in bed and I sternly told her that I didn't like what she was doing and that she was scaring me. The brush stopped, the Barbie laid down, and then all was quiet. I laid back down and I went back to sleep. I never saw my friend again after that. I spoke to my parents about it a few years later.

• 7:51Kaelyn Moore?

  And while my mom was incredulous, my father confirmed that he had seen her too. But they both told me without question that she was not a real person. Fast forward approximately 10 years, I'm moving out of my childhood home. I'd already been gone for a couple of years, but hadn't actually moved any of my things out. The day after I had mostly cleared out my room, my dad called me and said, I have kind of a weird request for you. Could you come by and tell your friend that you're all right? I was taking a shower and I saw her walk through the bathroom. Then your bedroom door opened. I called to her, but I don't think she listens to me. So I did just that. I went home. I went to my old bedroom and I swear I could smell

• 8:33Kaelyn Moore?

  her there. My room smelled like incense despite none ever being lit in there. I sat down in the middle of the floor and just talked for a while. I told her I wasn't sure if she could hear me, that everything was okay, and that I had moved out into a nice apartment near my new job. I told her about my new job. I told her how old I was, just in case she never knew. I thanked her for being my friend and I told her I was sorry about how our friendship ended. That I never forgot her and I found some comfort knowing she was still here. I told her that my parents were moving soon, so I probably wouldn't be back to this house ever. And I said that I didn't want her to be lonely, so I hoped if she ever wanted to move on, she could. Then I stood up, I turned off my light and

• 9:14Kaelyn Moore?

  I said goodbye. Shut the door. I headed down the hall to tell my dad that I had done what he had asked. And then my bedroom door clicked back open and I heard a very clear, "See ya." I turned around to look, but decided to leave the door open and I just waved. I'm 36 years old now and I had my daughter last year. One night, early in the newborn trenches, I was operating on almost zero sleep and rocking the baby quietly in the dark when I got the urge to talk to her. I introduced my baby out loud and I talked about my birth experience. I told her how old I was now and how I was told I couldn't have children, but here we are. And I swear, I heard her laugh, sigh, and then whisper,

• 9:55Kaelyn Moore?

  like she was trying not to wake up my baby. Beautiful. I haven't spoken to her since, but I still think about her.

• 10:04Kaelyn Moore?

  That one gave me goosebumps when I read it.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  That is so cute.

• 10:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Yeah, I love a sweet, or like a friendship ghost story, or like ghost romance.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  They're not all bad, right?

• 10:17Kaelyn Moore?

  They're not all bad, yes. I agree.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. I like how chill she was about a Barbie just being like, having a brush go- Waking up in the middle of the night and seeing your Barbies standing on the dresser, which is just terrifying in general.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  I would die. That's like, like the Furbies. When the Furbies in the middle of the night, I'd be like.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. She's like, Chelsea, go to bed. Stop brushing her hair. Like, that's crazy. That's how I pictured Selena's life growing up because she said she sees ghosts all the time. She sees dead people.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Mary Agnes. That was my best friend.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:50Kaelyn Moore?

  As a little kid, you would see, who's Mary Agnes?

• 10:53Speaker 02

  So, so my parents bought this house. It was only two years old and they had bought it in the summer and they would hear like music box sounds and stuff. My mom was pregnant with me. When all the windows were closed, they'd still hear like this like tinkling music box. And then as soon as I was born, like it was really clear. I was always following things like a newborn. But as I got older, there was this little friend who lived in the space of the wall between the two closets of my bedroom. I called her Mary. And as I started to learn words better, it became that her name was Mary Agnes. And then when I was about four, my mom saw like a little girl under the table for a split second. And she's like, oh, might not be an imaginary friend. So she ended up getting the historical society to come in. And one of the like families that found our founded our town

• 11:36Speaker 02

  had a daughter named Mary Agnes and she died of scarlet fever. So that was.

• 11:40Kaelyn Moore?

  You're kidding.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  That was my friend. And then years later, they owned so much land in our town. My first house was on what still would have been their land, but separate house. And we had an EVP recording and it was just someone went, it's me, Mary. And you could, it was so clear, but it was like in this whispery sound. And that was the last time I ever heard of her, but she was still around. And I don't have memory at all of what she looks like. It's just living through stories that my family told me, but interesting. So when you did that, I was like, because when I left my old house, I did that. I'm like, Mary, I'm moving out of town. That was kind of the last thing I said to the house. So that was weird. I'm like, listen to the story. I'm like, damn, I resonate.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  I know. I reminded me of you.

• 12:20Kaelyn Moore?

  That is crazy. Do you remember how old you were when it started?

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Honestly, it's like one of my first memories. So I would say I was like three and I remember really little, always seeing a woman in a black dress out of my peripheral all the time in the hallway. And it was like, I'd sit at the table and I'd see her. When I'd look, she wasn't there. But my earliest memories as like a human and like being alive is of spooky stuff.

• 12:42Kaelyn Moore?

  You know, we did, it was one of the bonus episodes that I did where we talked about past life regression. And one thing that was so interesting that I learned while doing that episode was how sacred the age of three is in a lot of other cultures around the world. Because they've fully recognized that age three is when kids have like the clearest vision into what other spirit realms are out there. So they will take three year olds around and they'll ask them like, what do you remember from your previous life? And kids have like straight up solved murders. And like, I was a person who was killed by like this guy in town. And yeah, because at three years old, you just have like the ability to connect.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  I'm not ready. I'm not ready.

• 13:20Kaelyn Moore?

  Interesting. So it makes sense that you were three years old. That's, oh, that's cool. So spooky.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Damn. I would have been diabolical. I would have just made stuff up.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  You would have.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  I would have. I was a bastard at three. I would have been terrible.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  You were just like a horrible toddler just out there.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was. Just like, guys, I know everything.

• 13:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Just accusing everyone in town of murder.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Pinning people against each other. Well, I steal cookies from the cookie jar. Yeah.

• 13:48Kaelyn Moore?

  So I was reading through the comments. Actually, let me read you some of the comments that people wrote because I was very like unsurprised at the amount of other people who had like kind of spooky, ghosty things happen when they were young that commented on this thread. So one of the comments was, when I was around 11 or 12, I used to share a bedroom with my sister who was around nine. One night, some sound woke me up and I sat up and saw a human shaped thing sitting on the padded storage bench at the end of our room. I thought it was my sister at first, so I called her name a couple of times. She wasn't in bed. I started to freak out as it was looking in my direction, but had a black space where the face was supposed to be. The rest of the body was white, but it was solid as a person and moving its arms, but.

• 14:30Kaelyn Moore?

  There was no sound. It felt like about two to three minutes staring at it. And then I had this overwhelming feeling of exhaustion come over me and I fell back to sleep. I woke up the next morning, slumped over in bed, but in the same sitting position. And I realized I had wet the bed. This has not happened to me since I was three. Sister was still gone. I ran to my parents' room and my sister was in their bed. And they said she had come running into their room scared in the middle of the night, saying a ghost was in her room. She described the exact same thing as me. We're now in our late 40s, but still remember it as clear as if it happened last night. Legit the most terrified I've ever been to this day.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Hmm. Well, pass her through then. Hell no. Yeah, two accounts of the same thing in the same night. That's crazy.

• 15:15Kaelyn Moore?

  No, I hate that because I have sleep paralysis. And so my initial thought was like, oh, that's sleep paralysis. You know, some people think it's supernatural. Some people don't, but you can write it off as sleep paralysis. But then when someone else sees it, it's always when someone else experiences the same thing.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Makes it so much more real. Yeah. Guy had sleep paralysis as a kid and I remember it just being like the most horrifying thing ever. But you still have it?

• 15:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Mine didn't start till college.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 15:43Kaelyn Moore?

  What was yours like as a kid? Cause I've never heard of children having it.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I had it and then I started getting migraines very shortly after I get chronic migraines. So I don't know if that correlated or what it was, but mine was around like that I can remember like four or five. And then it continued till I got into like high school and then it just kind of, I still have only nightmares. Like I only have nightmares every night. And I still talk in my sleep, like Selena. Yeah, you know this.

• 16:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I didn't know it was every night.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's every night. And but it's funny because so does Caleb. We both have chronic migraines. Anyway, but I used to.

• 16:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you have a gas leak?

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:20Kaelyn Moore?

  Have you checked for carbon monoxide?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Maybe, but we both have had it since we're like, like six, seven, eight. So we just both grew up with it.

• 16:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Sleep paralysis, I would just, you know, you just will think that you're, you wake up and there would just be always somebody like sitting at the end of my bed or sitting on top of me or in the closet and you just can't move. And it is like the most horrifying thing ever. And I would, I would wake up screaming, my mom would come in and that I'd always get like migraines around that same time. And I didn't understand what they were. I just knew my head hurt. It was just a bad time.

• 16:49Kaelyn Moore?

  That's spooky.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  It was very confusing as a kid, but I think as I got older, I just started understanding that my sleep paralysis was like just nightmares. So like I could, and then, and that migraines are migraines. So, but as a kid, it was terrible. So I'm sorry, you still have sleep paralysis.

• 17:04Kaelyn Moore?

  No, but at least as an adult, kind of what you were saying, you can understand that it's a nightmare or you can at least understand like if I breathe, I had heard somewhere that on average that it only lasts three seconds. And I actually don't think that's true, but I've been able to now when it starts, I can count and my sleep paralysis even will still come into the room and we have a whole soiree. The whole thing we do where he'll get into bed with me, start crushing me, whisper in my ear that he's going to kill me. This episode is brought to you by Prenuvo. When it comes to your health, there's a lot that you can't see or feel. And sometimes having more information can make all the difference. That's where Prenuvo comes in.

• 17:45Kaelyn Moore?

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• 18:33Speaker 01

  All right, well, there we move it on to the next one.

• 18:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, do you want to read yours? You have the next one up.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you you direct me.

• 18:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Go for it.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  All right, okay, so this is my story. It is weird guy shows up at my parents' house at 1 a.m. looking for me and using details of my life that were valid 20 years ago. Help me figure this out.

• 18:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Already hate it.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  This is post, it's no sense, but okay. Posted by Lampro Kapnos 1324 in r/rbi. What's RBI?

• 19:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, Reddit Bureau of Investigations. Are you on that subreddit?

• 19:09Speaker 01

  I have a new one. No, I'm so excited.

• 19:12Kaelyn Moore?

  It's really good. It's just like a bunch of redditor. There's like lawyers in there, but it's just people who are like, this weird thing happened. Can you help me solve what's going on? There was someone who was like, I think the woman upstairs is running a cult. And people will help like, search what cult it could be like, what area are you in? Like, I'm looking up now. It's really cool. You should check it out.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  So excited. I have a new rabbit hole. Fantastic. All right, this was October 5th, 2022. Trigger warning, possible stalking. This happened three nights ago, and I'm going crazy trying to figure it out. I just moved into a new apartment one month ago, and I am still unpacking and settling in. I have been using my parents' address as my mailing address, who live a few towns over 20 minutes away, all my life. Three nights ago, my parents called me at 2 a.m. freaked out and proceeded to tell me this story. Oh, my God, 2 a.m. Okay. Apparently, 1 a.m. someone started banging on their front door and repeatedly ringing their doorbell. My stepdad walked downstairs and opened the door.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  That's a man. Man. Leaving the front glass door closed and locked. There was a man standing outside who looked to be in his 30s with a black hoodie on with a hood pulled up around his face. He didn't have any distinguishing facial features, facial hair or tattoos. Neither my stepdad or my mother, who was watching the whole thing out a window, recognized the man. The man said, I'm so sorry to bother you, but I'm looking for my full name. My stepdad played dumb and said, who? The man proceeds to state my full name again and says that my boyfriend is worried because I didn't come home that night. He claimed to be a friend of my boyfriend and told my stepdad that they are both out looking for me, worried because I didn't show up at home.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  I don't have a boyfriend. I live by myself with my three dogs and haven't been in a relationship in the past five to six months. Here's the weird part. My stepdad asked the guy what boyfriend he was talking about, and the man told him the name of the boyfriend I had when I was in 10th grade, nearly 20 years ago. My boyfriend in 10th grade has a very, very unique Italian name.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Sorry. Sled and I read a story right before we came out of this guy named Mario, and it just goes, "Mario." "Mario." And it's like, "It's a me, Mario." Very, very unique. Sorry. I hate my brain. Anyway, I've never met anyone with a full name even close to his. He said my high school boyfriend's name a few more times to ensure my stepdad heard him, and repeated that, "They are very worried about me. Is my stepdad sure I'm not inside?" At this point, my stepdad was weirded out and closed and locked the door in his face. The man did not leave. He lingered in front of my parents' house for the next 10 minutes, smoking cigarettes and talking on the phone. Finally, my parents called the cops. About five minutes before the cops arrived, the

• 22:08Speaker 01

  man walked down to the dead end on their block and drove away in a silver car. My stepdad was unable to get the license plate. My parents filed a police report and nothing else happened. After I heard the story, I was going nuts over the weird details. How would someone know who I dated nearly 20 years ago, and what would the motive be to make up a story that included that weird detail about my past? I have not had contact with the 10th grade boyfriend in over a decade. Yesterday, I decided to message him on Facebook to see if he had any insight. I told him the whole story. He was just as confused as I was and claimed to have no part in it. I am at a loss. I'm also freaked out that some strange man is going through that much

• 22:51Speaker 01

  trouble at 1 a.m. to look for me. Any insights or ideas would be greatly appreciated. No, nothing else weird has happened since then. What? What? What?

• 23:04Kaelyn Moore?

  I agree with what you say, what you said about the, it's man to walk down and open your door to you in the morning, because there's no way I would have ever.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Looking through the windows, who the is here? I'm calling the cops. I'm not even interacting with that person. I'm just like waiting to see if they leave in the next two minutes and then I'm calling the police.

• 23:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Not even trying to see who it is, like at that point.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  In a black hoodie.

• 23:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Horrifying.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  He's so real. Yeah, at least he pretended like not to know who she was. He had that foresight at least, but my goodness, what, what even, what kind of trolling? This is I would do when I was three years old, you know, just go to people's houses.

• 23:46Kaelyn Moore?

  But you know. Be like, is she inside? Show me your daughter.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Is this something like, is this somebody, is somebody who she went to school with? Who's like trying to like 20 years later? Right? Is this guy just figure out he has free will?

• 24:01Kaelyn Moore?

  That is so weird. I'm curious, were there any updates? Did, did they write anything else about that? Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  The edit update, sorry, I got ahead of myself. Update. Wow, this really blew up. Thank you so much for all the kind words and precautions that I should take. I want to add something here that a few people commented that might shine some light on this mystery. First off, I am not in any legal trouble and have no reason to think someone would be suing me. God, I mean, I guess it's always in the realm of possibility that I'm being sued by someone, but I really don't think that's it. She's being served at 1 a.m. at her parents' house. That doesn't make any sense.

• 24:34Kaelyn Moore?

  By a guy just chain smoking cigarettes outside of her house.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I did take a personal loan out, took, took it about a year and a half ago. It wasn't for anything too crazy and I was really good with making payments on time until about six months ago, when I had a medical issue. I called the loan company. They claimed to have nothing to do with it. All my friends and family also noted that the 1 a.m. factor kind of rules that out anyway. Nothing else strange has happened at my parents. I went there for the first time last night and kept a close eye out for anything. Didn't observe anything out of the norm. So this remains a mystery. I'll be sure to update if something else happens. Oh my goodness. And there, there is another update. So should I just get ready to bed?

• 25:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, because now I'm so invested.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Yeah. Just keep going. All right. One year later, I finally have an update to this insane mystery. I will include the original story here first. Okay, we already read that. We don't need that. Okay. Recent update. After everything, this happened. Me and my family and a couple of close friends have been talking about this mystery in depth to try and put our heads together to figure it out. We all have our own theories, but ultimately no definitive answer as to what happened or who this creeper was. So we pretty much put it to rest and only continued to joke about it once in a while. Here's the update. My stepsister, my stepdad's daughter and her fiance were at a house party right after the holidays around early January of this year. While they were there, they started talking to a girl that neither of them knew.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  After some time talking together, the girl started talking about her ex-boyfriend and how they were going through a really rough time together. They had just recently broke up and she felt really bad because he was a wreck over it. Somehow it came up that this girl's ex-boyfriend was my 10th grade boyfriend.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  The one with the really unique Italian name.

• 26:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Mario.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  The whole Mario.

• 26:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Mario.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Mario Luigi. Very unique. The whole, so yeah, the whole.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I was gonna keep making, I'm gonna keep making jokes. The whole situation wasn't that big of a coincidence. Since I went to high school with my stepsister's fiance and we have a lot of mutual friends. So it makes sense that they were at the party. That would include some people I went to high school with. As soon as my stepsister and her fiance hear this, they both start freaking out. And without revealing too many details, they tell the girl about the whole mystery and how weird it was. As they are telling the story, the girl's face starts to go white and she looks like she's about to cry. My stepsister. And fiance try to console her and ask her what's wrong. The girl starts to tell them that a few nights ago, she was sleeping and someone started banging on her door.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  At get this, 1am, just like what happened to me at my parents' house. The girl jumps out of bed and says she was absolutely terrified by how loud and aggressive someone was banging on the door. She said she literally thought it was going to break in. Okay, let's see how the woman reacts in this situation. Okay. The girl has a ring camera, so looks on her phone. Already smarter.

• 27:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Doesn't just answer the door.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  There on the camera is a guy in a black hoodie banging on the door. She obviously pretends like she isn't home and keeps all the lights off. We love to hear it.

• 27:52Kaelyn Moore?

  There we go.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Banging as she is getting ready to dial 911. The guy stops and leaves. She said she was absolutely terrified. For whatever reason, she didn't end up calling the cops, but may have went to stay with a friend that night or a night after. My stepsister and fiance are shocked by the details and how similar it is to my story. Especially because of the mutual ex boyfriend we share. Except this girl literally just broke things off with him. They asked the girl if she has any idea who the guy is, and she said, no. But that it definitely is not the actual ex boyfriend. Okay. She said this guy was much taller and heavier than our shared mutual ex. How weird. This mystery is still unsolved and these new details honestly just make my head spin even more.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  No one else has showed up to my parents' door since the actual incident a year ago.

• 28:42Kaelyn Moore?

  What?

• 28:44Kaelyn Moore?

  So he's messing with people? Is he just like, is his ex crazy and he's just like setting you around?

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, paid a guy to go.

• 28:51Kaelyn Moore?

  That's exactly where my brain went.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  What the? Yeah, he's just a disturber, maybe. Wow, that's so scary. Why?

• 28:58Kaelyn Moore?

  It's so dark. So we, I've covered like hitmen before on Hard Size founding. We have an episode where we talk about hitmen and like the vast majority of hitmen are just like cousins of people who want their wives killed. Like it's just, they just ask someone they think will do it. It's not really a professional hitman ever. Which is why it's often so messy and that's how you hear about it. But I'm like, yeah, did the ex boyfriend just ask like his cousin or some guy that they knew to? Like go, I don't know, take out his ex-girlfriends?

• 29:32Speaker 01

  For the first girl, though, why 20 years later?

• 29:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, I don't know if something broke in him. Like, maybe he broke up with the, well, I guess it was maybe a year later, but yeah, if he like got dumped and then was like, I'm just gonna take out all of my ex-girlfriends.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think like he just had a breakdown. And yeah, yeah, it was taken or just like to scare. Hopefully it was just a scare, but yeah, it could have been worse. I don't know. Yeah, that's crazy. There is extra, there's extra info for comments. I love context. So, one, 10th grade boyfriend and I had a horrific breakup. I met my high school sweetheart while I was dating him and broke up with him messy in a pretty messed up way. Okay. He held a grudge over it all throughout high school and was extremely nasty to me to the point of bullying. At one point, I had to go to a security guard to escort me to classes because of him and his friends were bullying me so badly. The bullying was only severe for the rest of 10th grade, but he definitely hated me all

• 30:26Speaker 01

  through high school. At one point, he did end up apologizing to me and explained that he was just heartbroken over me breaking up with him. But at that point, I was way past the point of forgiving him. After graduating high school, we ran into each other maybe once or twice while I was at home from college and he was totally cordial and nice to me. And we laughed the high school experience off. Oh, he was inside. He was just like boiling, even though he was acting cordial like that. Oh.

• 30:52Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. So it sounds like he has a hard time being broken up with, like a history of that.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  He's a bitter little, he's a bitter little man, bitter little Italian man with a very unique name, Mario Luigi.

• 31:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Little Mario Luigi.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. Comments say, I don't know what's going on, but your father should never open the door. That's who I am for a damn stranger again in life. Yeah, absolutely.

• 31:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Absolutely.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Another comment says, this is really unsettling. If this had happened to me, here's what my first theory would be. My parents also still live in the same house I grew up in. Everyone I went to school with would know the address. It's a nice house and one would assume that there's nice things in it. When I was a teen, I briefly got mixed up with the wrong crowd, who at the time wasn't too bad, but nowadays, most of them are addicts and complete lowlifes who have done time in jail. If my parents told me this story, I would immediately assume that someone I knew in high school, who's now an addict, was causing houses or was casing houses in the neighborhood or even purposely targeting my parents. House because they already knew knew the layout and rang the doorbell to see if anyone was home. And when they answered, they had to make up a lie. So they went with

• 32:03Speaker 01

  that because knowing the details might give plausible deniability. So what their real intention was robbing the house and they just claimed they were confused if caught. But the story is still weird because he's talking about stuff like from 20 years ago. Why is that the default?

• 32:16Speaker 02

  That's so weird.

• 32:17Kaelyn Moore?

  No, yeah, I actually don't think it's that because also why?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  No, I don't either.

• 32:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Like if you're gonna case a house, like you just see if there's cars in the driveway and then you just don't go to that. Like it seemed like I don't think he was casing the house.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if somebody knocks on the door, I would just like ran.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd be like, no, thank you.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that I don't buy that just because of what his default was.

• 32:35Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Looking for your the daughter of 20. It's like, wow.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  She found some weird yearbook, a like thrift store. I'm just like, I'm going to target this person. There's enough info in here.

• 32:46Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, but actually, that's something I'm so scared of is someone just randomly picking me or my family. Just something like that. Like, oh, I just saw your picture in this thing. And now like, you're my wife and I'm gonna come get you. I don't know. That just freaks me out so much.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it is freaky. Yeah, stalkers. I don't know. Stalker stuff in general. That's all freaky. I know Selena and I have had our plethora of stalker.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Stories and issues.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Have you ever had anything like that?

• 33:14Kaelyn Moore?

  No, no.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Good.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Good.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  I'm glad. I'm glad.

• 33:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Is it? Oh, I mean, you guys both have such like massive followings that it just, I fear that it just happens to everyone.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's from that, but also without.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Without Chris has had a lot without, which is.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Without, but before all this happened too. And then, I mean, it's happened. I've had to move now since like.

• 33:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Being a public facing or whatever. But yeah, even when I was just like 16, 17, working in certain places and there would be like a lot of male people that would come through. And there was always like middle aged men and they would like follow me around and leave like gifts on my car or like one person did. And then one person tried to like.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Sorry, it's just so ridiculous. It's just this like a 45 year old guy who like got obsessed with me and like invited me to come on his helicopter and like go to a place north of where we were.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  And you were a teenager?

• 34:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Finish my shift.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Just in British Columbia, come out to the mountains in the middle of nowhere.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, for real.

• 34:18Kaelyn Moore?

  I was gonna say, like, he wanted to take you like deep into like the Canadian wilderness. Like, no.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Literally, yeah, like, I don't know. Anyway, just crazy stuff like that. But this just, it's just creepy. Like, people can just show up at your house.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  People are creepy.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  But this doesn't make sense. I don't understand. I feel like it was, it's just a vendetta thing.

• 34:36Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. I followed this one girl on TikTok who, she was telling her soccer story and it was this guy that she had gone to school with. She didn't know until like six years of him being obsessed with her that he had been following her for that long because he had never tried to interact with her. But he like saw her in, I think, a college class, became obsessed with her. And then for like six years was like saving her stuff and taking pictures of her and just keeping little mementos. And then eventually did start trying to make contact with her and tried to like befriend her dog before he went and talked to her so that, I imagine so that the dog wouldn't bark when he would come to her house.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so eerie. I hate it so much.

• 35:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Serial killer level stuff.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's scary. That's scary.

• 35:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Horrifying.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Oh, that is horrifying. That is horrifying. It's almost, it's almost worse just not knowing who is doing stalking.

• 35:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  It's very weird. Like, I guess, I guess I haven't known. Like, I've gotten mail that have like flash drives in it where they're like, we know where you live, we're gonna come and get.

• 35:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  I remember that.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  I never looked at the flash drive, though. I gave it to the police. I wonder what was on it, though.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should ask them.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  I'll follow up. All right, what do you got, Selena?

• 35:45Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I'm very interested in what yours is now, Selena.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  So my 20 female fiance, 21 male, is refusing to buy our dream home. That is an amazing area and super cheap because he thinks it's haunted. So this is posted in Reddit Relationships by Osalumpa, and this is 10 years old.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Sold. Selena would move in immediately.

• 36:08Kaelyn Moore?

  I feel like all of us might actually move in.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  I know, I don't want to. When I bought my, when I bought this house, the, the second time we walked through, the lady's like, don't worry, it's not haunted. Why would you say that? Yeah, why'd you have to say it, ma'am? Why'd you say it? It's a haunted house.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  All right. So me and my fiance have been together for five years. I'm a nursing aide and he's an electrician. He has always been a straightforward guy. He doesn't lie and he says what he means and he means what he says. Anyway, we are expecting our first child soon and we currently live in a one bedroom apartment. So naturally we agreed that we should buy ourselves a home. Now we live in a semi-rural Australian town. Okay. Lots of spiders. Sorry. Houses aren't overly expensive here compared to houses in the cities, but they certainly are not cheap. So we're looking around and we find this beautiful old home in the central business district of our town. I couldn't believe it when I saw it.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Four bedrooms, two bathrooms, big shed out back, which would be great for my fiance. I really cannot express how beautiful this house is. I'm so upset that we probably won't be buying it just because of what my fiance thinks of it. And before I get into the details of why he doesn't like it, I would understand if he didn't like the look of the house. He didn't like the location or didn't like the functionality, but no, he has one issue with the house and that's what bugs me. So I show my fiance the house on our laptop. He loves it. Can't believe the price. And may I say, due to the generosity of my late grandparents, we wouldn't even need to get a loan. We could buy the house and we could have it made for the rest of our lives.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Plus, my fiance said that he used to always walk past the house when he was back in high school and that he always loved it. So we set a date for the walk through. I'll give my perspective first. So we arrive. House is stunning. I mean, it looks better in person than it does in pictures. So much light gets into the house as well because of the amount of windows, big, beautiful windows, just how I like them. Then you get to the second floor and go out onto the balcony from the master bedroom and you see the view. Oh my God, the view. You can see half the town from it. Now, while I am trying to contain myself, here's my fiance just walking around the house with a really sour look on his face. I asked him what's wrong and he said he wasn't feeling well.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Around 20 minutes into the walk through, the real estate agent had to take a call. That's when my fiance pulled me aside and particularly freaked out. He looks me dead in the eyes and tells me that the house is haunted. He said the moment he walked in, he could feel how dark and depressing the house was. And said the final straw was when we walked past the basement. And he said it was like a bottomless pit of darkness. And felt like there was something evil waiting down there for him.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Just don't go in the basement.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  And just don't go down there.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Over it.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Just, yeah, the rest of the house have big windows.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a kitchen island. Shut up, Steve. All right.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  And hey, I saw how upset he was and because we were gonna get married, I sympathize with him. I asked him if he wanted to leave, expecting he'd say no, because he's the kind of guy that likes to finish what he starts. But he immediately said, yes. So we leave and that was that. I asked him if he would even consider the house and he said, absolutely not. At first I thought he was having a moment, like he was afraid of finally being an adult slash father, moving into a house and so on. But he kept looking at other houses for sale. We found another house that's pretty good, but doesn't come close to the other house. And he's ready to buy it. So we're gonna settle for a decent house instead of the amazing one. Because he felt like it was haunted.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  So yeah, I wanna know what to do. And this isn't a deal breaker for me by any means, but I'm still upset over it. So yeah. Also, sorry about the quality of this pose. It's 1 a.m. I'm angry, tired and upset.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  You know what? Maybe he's like super in touch and he hasn't told you. And he knows and maybe he just knows the future is bleak. It's like, it's so beautiful. Why is it for sale?

• 40:23Kaelyn Moore?

  That's true.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  It's like who's died in this house? Which don't they have to legally say? I don't know about Australia, but don't they have to legally tell you if somebody's died in the house?

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Certain amount of years. And I think certain reasons. I think if it was something that could leave an impression, something like murder, but I think if it's like a simple die in their sleep, I don't think that they don't, they don't have to.

• 40:43Kaelyn Moore?

  I know there was like the, the poltergeist lawsuit that was in New York where a guy had advertised the house as being haunted.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:53Kaelyn Moore?

  He had like publicly told people it was haunted and then he didn't include that when he sold the house, but then the people who moved in found out it was haunted the hard way. And he got in trouble for not disclosing that. So like now, I guess if you ever publicly say that the house is haunted, you have to disclose in the listing that it's haunted.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Which I feel like makes sense. Like, I'd like to know, I think.

• 41:15Kaelyn Moore?

  I would want to know. Do you think you would want to, well, I was gonna say, would you want to know if someone died in the house? But yeah, I think I, pretty much across the board. I guess like, if it was just that someone was old and passed away in the home.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:30Kaelyn Moore?

  I'd still want to know, but I'd be fine.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  They didn't tell my parents when they bought their house. They found out a couple of years later. But we knew that the guy, they, they bought the house from an estate where someone had died, but we didn't know it was in their bathroom. And then they found out later, like the real estate agent didn't tell them.

• 41:44Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, wow. How'd they find out?

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Uh, I think they ended up, oh, neighbor, neighbor.

• 41:50Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  It was the neighbor that told them. So he retired. Three days later, he was gonna go on a road trip with friends, had packed the car.

• 41:58Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  The friends show up, car's packed on the driveway, door's locked, they end up getting in, they can hear the shower running. He was on the floor in my parents' master bathroom, stepped out of the shower, fell over and died of a heart attack.

• 42:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Three days after retiring.

• 42:12Kaelyn Moore?

  I know, that's like one of those stories they, they tell about like, don't give too much to your job, like, don't wait to retire to, to travel because you, that's like literally one of those stories they tell.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  So true.

• 42:24Kaelyn Moore?

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• 43:07Kaelyn Moore?

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• 43:26Speaker 02

  Okay, so there weren't updates, but there were comments. Oh, wait, no, there is an update. I'm a total liar. Okay. I took the poster's advice. Couldn't call the real estate agent because it's like 2am. So I looked up the address on the internet. A woman who lived in the house with her husband in the 50s pushed him down the basement stairs and the fall killed him. He was allegedly abusive. That is enough for me. I do not believe in ghosts, but I am not living in a murder house. The murder actually had a huge court case for a small town. Surprise. I didn't know about it. I was just, when you, when he talked about the basement, I was like, the staircase, the show? Yes. Seen that?

• 44:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes. Oh, I've seen the documentary.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  I thought about that immediately. Yeah. The, or the documentary. Yeah. It's, and the, I think there was a docu-series or was documentary. Anyway, that's immediately what I thought of when he talked about, yes. When they talked, when, when he talked about it being in the basement, I was like, somebody got pushed down those stairs. So that's interesting. There are some comments too. So this person said, pardon me, I'm a bit of a cynic, but did you ask the agent about the history? Because I wanted to know why this gorgeous house is going for so cheap. What's the catch? Have you inquired? And then there's another one here that says, so there is a theory about why humans sometimes get creeped out in seemingly arbitrary arbitrary orbit 25 cent word, writer who doesn't know.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  It might be a low frequency vibration, sound you can't hear caused by nearby machinery or a busy roadway. Supposedly it is left over from hunter days because some predators growl at sub audible levels. Your fiance might be subconsciously picking up a frequency you can't hear and a portion of his lizard brain is tripping his fight or flight reflex while he's in that house. This will not go away and cannot be fixed. He has a right to be comfortable in his own home, no matter if it's scientifically explainable or not. Either way, he would never be able to relax, keep looking for another.

• 45:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Interesting.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  Huh, that's like a whole other perspective. That's interesting.

• 45:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I had heard about that too. It's like, I, I think it's 18 hertz is like the specific frequency that will make people kind of like hallucinate ghosts, but it sounds like he heard a ghost. He was just like fully reading something from the basement.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Someone was murdered in the house where he was uncomfortable.

• 45:45Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  And he didn't know.

• 45:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you think there was a reason why it was him picking up the energy as it like, maybe it was the man that got pushed down the stairs, like warning him about, or like trying to reach out to him?

• 45:56Speaker 02

  It's, this guy's just gonna make your wife push you down the stairs.

• 45:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Stop repeating history. Maybe, maybe.

• 46:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Ooh.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Maybe he's a little guardian angel ghost.

• 46:07Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 46:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Sounds like he was a bad guy. And maybe deserved to be pushed down the stairs.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe actually, yeah, true.

• 46:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. True.

• 46:16Kaelyn Moore?

  True.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Maybe it was a different ghost in the house who was also killed. She's crazy. Yeah.

• 46:22Kaelyn Moore?

  That was kind of like the new Conjuring movie, right? It was about like there's, oh, there's ghosts in the house, but really there's like a demon who's like controlling the ghosts.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it yet.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:32Kaelyn Moore?

  It's not really a spoiler.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Rights.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  I had a baby. I haven't been able to watch a single movie.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 46:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Tell me about it. I, I've been trying to see Wuthering Heights for like a month. And I'm never gonna see it until it comes out on, until I'm just watching on my TV.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I did go to the movies and see that. I don't watch anything unless it comes to streaming. I'm so lazy now. So I don't even have an excuse. I don't have a baby.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  I just don't want to live.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Has your baby noticed anything spooky? Like babies are notorious for kind of picking up on spooky things.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  I have had two things. He's six months old now. There's only been two things. When he was really, really, really little, I was laying in my bed and he was in my arm and I was looking at his eyes and in the reflection of his eyes, I saw the headboard of the bed, my head, but then just a dark figure and he was looking past me and I look, nothing's there. Nothing's there. But like I look back at his eyes, it's there. I look, it's not there. I look back, it's not in his eyes anymore. So I'm like, so that was weird. But every once in a while I'll be holding him and he'll be like jumping on my lap and then he'll just, he'll be like smiling at me and then he'll like look up over my shoulder and be like.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Nothing. I look, I'm like, Adam, he's doing it. But it's only been, that's only been one time, really. So I just hope he's not like me. I really hope. And if he comes and he's like, there's a man in my bedroom, I will immediately. Put him in my bed or just.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Put the house up for sale.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Just kidding.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  No, I know. She said that before he was even born. She's like, I hope he's not like me.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Dude, I used to go into my parents' room all the time. Like, my dad hated it. He'd come home from work, one o'clock in the morning. I'd be three, four years old. He just hears me full conversation. Opens my bedroom door. I'm just standing on my bed. And he's like, who are you talking to? And I'm like, the people in the walls. And he's just, and he told me, he would just shut the door and go to bed.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  All right.

• 48:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. He's like, that's none of my business.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Nope. He would tell the guys at work and the guys were just like, yeah, we don't want to know that. Don't tell us.

• 48:34Kaelyn Moore?

  No, that is kind of scary because, you know, as parents, you're kind of expected to be like, there's no monster under your bed. Like, let's look together, see. And I could totally also see being like, I'm not checking. Maybe, maybe there is a bad guy in your closet. Like, come sleep in my room.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  The sage and the salt. Yeah. And Selena and I, and you have like proof that we're into all this stuff. Like, we go ghost hunting all the time because you can be like, receipts. Like, there's ghosts, monsters.

• 49:01Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. You just pull out all the equipment and you're like, well, let's actually see if there's a ghost in here.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let's prove it. That's awesome.

• 49:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. My son, he, in terms of spooky things, because he's so little, he's only, I mean, I guess seven weeks this week.

• 49:16Kaelyn Moore?

  But he's like, not even really tuned into what's happening ever. But right next to his changing table, we have, we put a picture because my husband's father was a painter. And he passed away two years ago. So we just have one of his paintings up. It's like beautiful. It's the Swiss Alps and there's cows. It's gorgeous. And the way that my son like locks in on that picture, it's like he's, he's like spiritually connected to the picture. It's really cool to see. Like, he doesn't really like, I don't know, focus on things yet, but there's something about that picture that he just focuses in on. And so.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  That's sweet.

• 49:53Kaelyn Moore?

  It's really cute. It's like a little connection.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's much better than Selena's story. The demon shadow.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't know what is going on in your house.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  There really isn't like in my house, like it, we know who it is. It's, it's Leroy now. And Leroy was one who kind of built the house and like, I guess he still has family. When we were doing renovations, he was, he was around a lot and that was like on the main floor. And I've even been live and people have heard it, like heard it upstairs and like, what is that? And I'm like Leroy, but he's, he's a great spirit. There was something nasty, but it really seems outside of the property because we've learned that our property was a dump and that the Hells Angels would come out here and this is where they would sink stuff. And then in the sixties, they brought in Phil and brought the land up. So everything's lower than 20 feet below the ground.

• 50:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, wow.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  Use it for farming and, and all that kind of stuff. So we know it's deep down there and it's more so outside. Like I will not in the dark, outside my house in the dark, Chris can attest, horrifying. It's a nightmare.

• 50:50Kaelyn Moore?

  And when you say Hells Angels, we're talking about like, for those who don't know, like the biker gang.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:55Kaelyn Moore?

  Motorcycle gang who like also would kill people. Like when you say sink stuff, you're talking about actually sinking people or what?

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, from a local, a local man who actually their family owned a lot of land around here. There was like a husband and wife with an abuse situation and the woman left, ran away from her husband, but was never found again. So she's the woman in white up on the hill in the back who we've seen. But there's people here like, and you know, for how into this I am, a lot more people than me. I, I don't know if I've ever physically seen Leroy, but my brother, who's a big skeptic, saw Leroy. A contractor working in our house saw him where I haven't physically seen him. So he doesn't reveal himself to me. But I've seen the woman and on the Alice box out in the forest, some really, really dark stuff in the forest here.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, we salt ringed her house. Yeah, we did.

• 51:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you need to, because it sounds like there's a lot of stuff out there.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  We do it every season.

• 51:51Kaelyn Moore?

  You don't want that coming in.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  We do it every season.

• 51:53Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you feel like you need to every season? It doesn't, the salt, what's the life cycle of a salt ring? It kind of expires and people can come back in.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  When I start forgetting I did it, I do it again. Cause I feel like intention is a lot. But to, to be honest, I don't do any ghost hunting on my property anymore. I don't think I ever will again. I feel like we got to this really good, healthy point. I wouldn't call it like super haunted anymore. Like I feel like the energy is a lot better here than it was, but I don't think I'll ever crack a Ouija board or an Alice box again in my house. My house is like my sacred place. We got it really great feeling. So.

• 52:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. You don't want to like invite anything else into it.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:29Kaelyn Moore?

  I have one final one, and this is a fun little side story that I found while I was like perusing Reddit late at night. But this comes from Glitch in the Matrix subreddit, one of my favorite subreddits, just about like weird stuff that happens that people can't explain. Kind of like living ghost stories, someone described them as, because like it's like ghost stories, but everyone's alive. It's just like, I don't know, weird stuff popping up. So this came from a thread, and it's kind of like internet folklore, because someone said that they had copied this story from another thread they found. And when they went back to check it, that thread was gone. So no one knows where like the story originates from, but it's been passed around. And so this one starts.

• 53:14Kaelyn Moore?

  So, "Near where I grew up, there was a large amusement park. One half of it was rides and coasters, and the other half was a water park. Obviously, the summer jobs there were a great pull when you were a teenager, and they employed a huge number of my friends on summer break from college. The jobs over in the water park were generally considered more desirable, though I was never able to get them because I'm a bad swimmer. Basically, the water park opened later and closed earlier, so the shifts were nicer, and they had to pay you more because you had to be first aid and CPR'd and lifeguard certified. A lot of my friends worked there, and I know about three of the people involved in this story." So it started at a water slide, one of the huge tube slides that you had to walk up seven flights of steps to get to the top. One lifeguard was posted up top, telling people when to go

• 53:56Kaelyn Moore?

  down, and one of my friends was a lifeguard at the bottom, who helped people off the slide. They also gave them the all-clear for the next person to go. A family had come with their child, who was very young, and apparently barely the height limit to go on this ride. The family was in line, it was the father first, the kid second, and the mother last. And that was so that someone would be with the kid both at the top and the bottom of the slide. So the father goes down the slide, gets off, and the lifeguard gives the all-clear, and then they wait. You can't really see what's going on up top, but finally, the next rider comes down. But it's the mother, who walks over to the father, and then asks where their son is. There's a moment of confusion, and my friend is pulled over by the family. The kid had been the next one to enter the slide up top before his mom, but had never

• 54:41Kaelyn Moore?

  come out the bottom. My friend was really confused at that point, so he calls up to the lifeguard, who verifies that the kid went down the slide. Neither my friend nor the father saw the kid come out of the bottom." Until this is figured out, they shut down the ride. The top lifeguard calls a security guard and reports this as a missing child, while my friend calls a supervisor. The supervisor shows up and is apparently afraid that the kid is wedged in the tube somehow, and in a way that the mother failed to dislodge him coming down the slide. The parents are upset at this point and freaking out, and the super has the upper lifeguard go down the ride himself, spread out to make sure that there's no child jammed into the turns of the slide. He comes out of the bottom, having not dislodged the child, and everyone is more confused than ever. Meanwhile, security called the lifeguards,

• 55:26Kaelyn Moore?

  saying that they just turned up a missing kid near one of the coasters. Could they get a description of the missing child? The super sort of dismisses it offhand and says that it couldn't have been the same child. The coaster they found the kid by was clear across the park, and the child was only missing for a few minutes at this point. Instead, the super has a bunch of lifeguards run up the stairs and come down the slide, still hoping to dislodge the kid, while the other employees quietly look around the bottom, just in case the kid somehow managed to fall out of the tube. Meanwhile, upper management gets called in, and the parents of the kid are alternating between yelling and blaming each other, panicking and threatening to sue the park. Upper management calls security and decides to ask them to pull the security camera footage from the top of the slide to try to figure out what happened.

• 56:10Kaelyn Moore?

  A kid a few years ahead of me in high school happened to be working security, and he was there when they pulled the footage. And one of the security guards said that he was almost positive that that was the kid they had in the room, the kid that showed up across the park, missing their parents. They get the kid's name, and sure enough, he is in the missing children's room, safe and sound. And here's where things get weird. The footage shows the father, the kid, and the mother entering the slide. It's also timestamped, so they know when the child went down the slide. The incident report for when the kid was found clear across the park, behind the roller coaster, shows that he was discovered less than five minutes later. And if you've ever noticed, nothing in an amusement park is laid out linearly. There's always fences and bushes and buildings between you and where you want to go.

• 56:55Kaelyn Moore?

  The idea is to make you ramble about between rides and cut down the ride wait time. Weirdest of all was that the incident report said that this child seemed disoriented and was at first not able to respond to questions. It also stated that the kid, who was apparently in a waterslide five minutes prior, was bone dry. This was the talk of the park for about a week, with everyone trying to come up with explanations, guards searching the other security footage to try to find the kid going across the park, people trying to get from the slide to the coaster, and then upper management came out and basically hushed the whole thing up. Supervisors told the lifeguards that if they heard anyone talking about it, that they would be fired. Pretty soon, the park moved on to whatever the next drama was, and it got swept aside. But yeah, child

• 57:40Kaelyn Moore?

  goes down slide into time and space portal.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  The fringe.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Fringe, men in black.

• 57:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  What? Well, I, yeah, it's like, I've read stories about this, or like, covered stories about this in Appalachia specifically.

• 57:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  There's like, a kid that is found six miles away, disappears immediately, and he's unscathed, like, he could not have gone up this mountain, all these things. It makes no sense. So, you just can't make sense?

• 58:07Speaker 02

  We're living in a simulation, ma'am.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  But now, they, this one, there's cameras. Like, is it real? Is there footage?

• 58:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I guess, in this telling of the story, there is like, footage of them going down, and then the kid just showing up across the park. So weird.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  That is so strange. I don't even know what to make of that.

• 58:24Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. I covered a story where this woman, well, so this was a woman that I interviewed back in the day during Heartbreaks, when we were like, just interviewing people, telling their scary stories. But she went to a park in New York, in upstate New York, and went on a trail with her boyfriend. There were two of them together. They're like, walking around for 20 minutes, and when they get off the trail... Her boyfriend's family was like yelling at them like, oh my God, you've been gone for three hours because they were having like a family party that day. And apparently like she and her boyfriend disappeared for three hours and they were really concerned and they drove around and they were like shouting their names and they went down the trail and they shouted for them and they didn't see them there. And she was like, it's so weird because I swore that I had only been gone for 20 minutes. And then the more you like

• 59:09Kaelyn Moore?

  researched the park, the more you realize like other people have had that same exact experience there of like these weird time lapses and not necessarily showing up in other places, but I don't know. Sometimes there's just like a portal or whatever in a place, they say glitches in the matrix.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Oh, man, that just makes me want to give up.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  None of it's real anyway.

• 59:31Kaelyn Moore?

  None of it's real. Why do I have to go to work?

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Everything's fake. Everything's fake and somebody's controlling us. What the hell?

• 59:38Kaelyn Moore?

  If I like think too hard about us being in a simulation, I like start to panic a little bit and get anxiety.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  That's me when I think about space. What's beyond everything? What is everything? Don't.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Makes me freak out.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Freak out!

• 59:50Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. If we're just in some like Sims simulation, some kid is playing on their computer.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Right?

• 59:57Speaker 02

  I don't want them to see what I've done.

• 59:58Kaelyn Moore?

  I hate it. And it just glitched and that kid just went across the park. We're in just like a roller coaster tycoon type situation.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, but literally is roller coaster tycoon.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Somebody just picked up a little guy and just dropped him.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Dropped him.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  And he's like, let's go. Yeah. I saw my mom. Poor little guy. That guy, he's gonna need therapy for the rest of his life.

• 1:00:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I would be curious like what his perspective was on what happened. Like, did you just wake up and you were across the park and you don't remember?

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Come out of slide and you're just standing there?

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Right? Because well, what they said is he was disoriented and had nothing to say. But that's been the same stories that I've read in Appalachia with specifically like little kids going, they're like, how did you get up here? And they just don't really know. And it's like.

• 1:00:44Kaelyn Moore?

  I had read about once in Appalachia where the kids, there was one specifically that I read where the kid was like.

• 1:00:51Kaelyn Moore?

  A big bear helped me and they were like, a bear didn't help you. And he was like, no, a bear.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Picked me up and ran away with me.

• 1:00:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  What? Yeah. Bigfoot.

• 1:01:02Kaelyn Moore?

  Kids are scary.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's weird. Yeah. And I know that. And then like he, they find him like totally fine, like in a log or something or in like a little cave. It's creepy. It's weird. It's so weird.

• 1:01:14Kaelyn Moore?

  I know. It's always, yeah. And it's always kids. I don't know. Whatever it is, is like moving kids around.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:01:21Kaelyn Moore?

  The innocence.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  So creepy. I don't know, especially in the middle of nowhere. Those ones are like, what? But it's just as creepy. There's footage of that and it's like, you know, supposedly.

• 1:01:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. When it's in such a public of a pace. Like, did you ever, it just made me think of this, but did you ever, there was a time where my TikTok algorithm was just like,

• 1:01:44Kaelyn Moore?

  water slides in Dubai that looked like they were in the back rooms. Like there's carpet around them and they start inside. And it's like fluorescent lighting. It literally looks like you're in an office and that, but there's like an opening and you go down the water slide. And then it's like psychedelic once you're in there and there's like flashing lights and it goes pitch black. And then you like swirl around something and go down. It's honestly horrifying, but my whole algorithm was this one guy that was like traveling the world, like just going on all these water slides. But I feel like this would happen in one of those water slides.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:02:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Start Dubai and end up in like Kansas.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's so interesting. God forbid, somebody goes there and after they take or something.

• 1:02:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Rip.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like.

• 1:02:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Rip.

• 1:02:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Rip to them.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:31Kaelyn Moore?

  My God.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Wow. That's great. Well, I'm not going to sleep tonight.

• 1:02:35Kaelyn Moore?

  So spooky.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Thinking about that.

• 1:02:37Kaelyn Moore?

  I know.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Very strange. I'm gonna, I'm gonna use a lot of my free will today. I'm gonna try to demunk that.

• 1:02:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Make sure they can never predict your next move. Like just, just go absolutely wild.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Spinning. Yeah.

• 1:02:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Spinning.

• 1:02:53Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, thank you guys so much for joining me for this episode today.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for having us.

• 1:02:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Thank you for having us. Oh, this was so fun.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  I appreciate it.

• 1:03:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I love.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Sorry for our nonsense.

• 1:03:02Kaelyn Moore?

  No, this is perfect because I love just getting spooky with other spooky gals.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Kaelyn Moore?

  It's my dream. It's how I wanted to spend this day. It proves we're not in the algorithm because they could have never seen this coming.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Absolutely, absolutely. Yep, it's very exciting. But yeah, we're very excited to to hopefully clap again.

• 1:03:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  With all my art channel stuff, it'll be awesome.

• 1:03:23Kaelyn Moore?

  So for my listeners, where can they find you guys?

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're on, what's our channel name? Can't Sleep. Can't Sleep Channel, is it? Can't Sleep Channel. Whatever. Just look up Can't Sleep Selena Spooky Boo or Can't Sleep Call Me Chris and it'll show up.

• 1:03:37Kaelyn Moore?

  You'll find it.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  It's us with it's us with some candles holding them. Looking like this. That's us. And we're, we just basically do this. We just yap. We just yap and gab and whatever.

• 1:03:47Kaelyn Moore?

  It's our weekly catch up.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Fun, you know, it's just, it's just a hangout sesh. That's it.

• 1:03:51Kaelyn Moore?

  I love it. I'm going to put all that in the description. So anyone listening, you're going to know exactly where to go to get more of this. And thanks, guys. So, so exciting.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Yes, absolutely. Thanks.

• 1:04:02Kaelyn Moore?

  Catch you later. Bye.

• 1:04:05Kaelyn Moore?

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• 1:04:23Kaelyn Moore?

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