We Almost Missed These 10 Movies. Should You?

On today’s show, Sean and Amanda talk through 10 movies that have come out over the past few months that they haven’t covered on the show yet. But before diving into the slate, they react to the death of Hollywood icon Robert Redford (1:46), discuss the first trailer for ‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’ (4:23), and hypothesize why recent history suggests that September is a box office dumpster fire (17:50). Then, they rattle through a handful of different recent releases and share their thoughts on ‘Him,’ ‘A Big Bold Beautiful Journey,’ ‘The Long Walk,’ and more (28:10). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jack Sanders This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:27Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Finacy.

• 2:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 2:28Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about a lot of movies. So we went on a little bit of a break in August, Amanda.

• 2:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:36Sean Fennessey?

  And a bunch of movies came out. They did not stop releasing movies just because we took a break. How do you feel about that?

• 2:41Amanda Dobbins?

  It's their right.

• 2:42Sean Fennessey?

  It is their right. And it's our right to catch up with those films on today's episode.

• 2:46Amanda Dobbins?

  As best we can.

• 2:47Sean Fennessey?

  As best we can. There have been a lot of movies released that we haven't dug into, so we'll do kind of a speed round. I wanted to do roulette.

• 2:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:54Sean Fennessey?

  I wanted to like fire a roulette wheel.

• 2:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You want to bring more props into the...

• 2:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I do. Or more graphics work for Jack to build out for us, but I didn't do that. Before we talk about this cavalcade of films.

• 3:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:06Sean Fennessey?

  In the last two months for the show, we do have some news. One, we recorded three episodes in one day last week, last Monday. And then, of course, on Tuesday, some absolutely terrible news happened. A screen icon, Robert Redford, passed away, 89 years old, in his sleep. And we didn't get a chance to talk about him at all in the last six days. So now is our chance to make some brief remarks. I will say we will do something much bigger for him. I think in November, it looks like.

• 3:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Sean Fennessey?

  We'll probably do a Hall of Fame. We'll go back into the lab.

• 3:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 3:37Sean Fennessey?

  Or re-watch everything.

• 3:38Amanda Dobbins?

  And November is for scheduling reasons for a special treat. So everybody, calm your...

• 3:44Sean Fennessey?

  We will have a special guest to join us. Also, on the re-watchables this month, or I should say next month, Bill Simmons is doing all Robert Redford movies.

• 3:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you allowed to say that? Or are you gonna get in trouble?

• 3:53Sean Fennessey?

  He did announce that already, so I'm not breaking any news here, only to the listeners of this show. But Redford, I mean, what can you say? I mean, as...

• 4:02Amanda Dobbins?

  On-screen, off-screen, one of the most important American filmmakers and film stars of... In history.

• 4:11Sean Fennessey?

  Truly.

• 4:12Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, between the body of work, you know, there he is. And I will just say, I guess I am jumping just to how hot he was. But you know, when everyone was posting all the Three Days of the Condor, Peacoat stuff, which is very important, not enough respect given to the All the President's Men Gold Chain.

• 4:29Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just gonna put that out there. But, you know, his run in the 70s, his work as a director. And then Sundance, which has been, you know, whatever you want to say about it now, and you and I have said plenty, an incredible force in terms of American cinema for the last 30, 40 years.

• 4:50Sean Fennessey?

  The single biggest incubator of American independent filmmaking, period.

• 4:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So, just, you know, he did it and had it all.

• 4:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and just an astonishing career. I think there'll be a lot to talk about when we go deep into his work. A very talented actor who is not often celebrated as a talented actor because he was such a strong star and screen presence, but had really interesting taste, did lots of different kinds of movies, almost entirely made adult films, and I don't mean porn, I mean films for adults, and his beauty and charisma sometimes overwhelmed, I think, some of his other contributions. He's, of course, been very celebrated as a director as well. He directed many movies. He won a Best Director Academy Award. It's a monumental career, and we're kind of nearing the end of this generation. I mean, a lot

• 5:41Sean Fennessey?

  of these people are passing on now who contributed so greatly in the 60s and 70s and kind of shaped what would become modern Hollywood. So, we'll find a way to hopefully pay tribute to him.

• 5:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Sean Fennessey?

  On the other side of the cultural spectrum,

• 5:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 5:55Sean Fennessey?

  there is a new trailer this morning for the film The Mandalorian and Grogu. Now, I asked you to watch this trailer. Before I did, I said, have you seen the show The Mandalorian? And you said what?

• 6:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 6:07Sean Fennessey?

  So you've never seen The Mandalorian?

• 6:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I've seen clips. I think that Zach watched maybe a season or some of it, so, you know, I've been in and out. And obviously, you know, Baby Yoda, AKA Grogu, was like a thing. So I'm not unfamiliar. I've seen the memes, but, and I have listened to a lot of watch episodes where they talk about the plot, which is... A guy who is played by Pedro Pascal when he's not wearing a mask, but primarily just wearing a mask, has got to protect this tiny cute baby.

• 6:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, so this is going to be-

• 6:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Who will grow up to be Yoda?

• 6:42Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's a different, different character.

• 6:44Amanda Dobbins?

  No, he's Grogu.

• 6:45Sean Fennessey?

  This is Grogu, not Yoda.

• 6:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, how is Grogu related to Yoda? Do we know?

• 6:49Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I'm glad you asked. I have no idea.

• 6:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Good, okay.

• 6:51Sean Fennessey?

  I believe they're just a part of the same species. It's unclear if they're part of the same familial lineage.

• 6:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So that was a little racist for me just then.

• 6:57Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we should call Henry Louis Gates, get him on it, you know, explore the Yoda and Grogu connectivity.

• 7:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I apologize to Grogu and Yoda.

• 7:05Sean Fennessey?

  This new movie is coming out on Memorial Day of 2026.

• 7:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Great. I'm gonna try to not be here for that. So one way or another.

• 7:13Sean Fennessey?

  Well, if we go to Cannes, we won't be here when it comes out. And we'll see if that actually happens. But, um, you know, this is a, I'll start with this.

• 7:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't ask for my reaction.

• 7:22Sean Fennessey?

  I will. I will ask for it. Just wait. You got to share your relationship to The Mandalorian. It's very funny that this movie has come out at a time when Disney is under fire because of the Jimmy Kimmel news. We don't need to unpack the Jimmy Kimmel news. There are a lot of other places to go to for it, but nothing could seem more like a, please ignore the noise over here than here is our new Star Wars trailer. And I'm not saying that this wasn't planned three months ago, because it probably was, but it-

• 7:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, here's what we value, money?

• 7:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. And, um, I've watched The Mandalorian. I really enjoyed the first season, the last couple of seasons. The general Star Wars TV project has really lost me in the last few years. It will probably come as no surprise for people to hear that, hear me talk about all of the TV shows that Disney's been making for adults.

• 8:11Sean Fennessey?

  And I thought this looked like an episode of the show. And if you like the show, that's great. But this movie is directed by Jon Favreau, who is actually a real filmmaker. He makes a lot of films in the IP franchise space. But he's done some really interesting stuff, even in the franchise space, when he works on like The Lion King and The Jungle Book, and those, those movies actually look quite good. This just looked like another episode of the show that he directs. And so is that a value proposition for people who want to go out to the movies? I'm not entirely sure. I will watch it because I'm a moron and I have, I feel I have to watch all of these films, despite what Tracy Letts said on the physical media episode.

• 8:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm an hour and 20 minutes in.

• 8:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You've only got six more hours to go.

• 8:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. Um, maybe, maybe, maybe longer. You know.

• 8:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I love all of you, all four, all four of you. I love, even you, though I don't show up very often. And so for a while in there, it's like, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to be with people I love, talking about something that they love. I do have that ability within me. And also like, kind of sociologically interesting, right?

• 9:13Sean Fennessey?

  A Mount Rushmore sized butt is coming.

• 9:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And, well, I, I mean, that's true.

• 9:19Sean Fennessey?

  The Statue of Liberty of butts.

• 9:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So, so once we, well, that just makes me think of some other things. Um, once, once we get to the part of the episode where you are going title by title and label by label.

• 9:33Sean Fennessey?

  The best part?

• 9:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it just, it, obviously you're all insane. And, but to me, it was more the small moments of insanity that are gonna stay with me. Of, you know, Tracy pulling out something, you just being like, uh huh, yes. And then you're just like, this is the hottest Sam Elliott has ever looked in a movie that no one's ever heard of, that we, we own in like four different formats. And then I was like, okay. So these are diseased people who I love.

• 10:02Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm. I would like to strongly encourage you to see the film Lifeguard.

• 10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  If you land it to me, sure, that's fine.

• 10:07Sean Fennessey?

  I would be happy to.

• 10:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Except I, you know, is it the right format?

• 10:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's Blu-ray, yeah.

• 10:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I have one of those. Um, I, you know, you and Tracy also have like a very like beautiful, almost like Star Wars like, you know, like, you know, like Obi-Wan, Luke relationship. It's like very beautiful.

• 10:27Sean Fennessey?

  He is truly the master Jedi.

• 10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, like, um, I love you both and I hope your kids get to go to college. Um, because the numbers are pretty insane. And I, listen, I guess it's good to have passions. I don't think that you should be ever allowed to make fun of me again for any of the shit that I'm interested in, because it's just different shit. But you're always just like, ooh, teacups, you know? But like, so what? A lot of art and, you know, craft went into making a teacup. So if I care about that, you care about plastic.

• 11:01Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone listening to the movie podcast agrees with you. You should definitely spend $800 on teacups.

• 11:05Amanda Dobbins?

  But it wasn't about movies. It was not.

• 11:07Sean Fennessey?

  It was. It was about celebrating what's on the plastic.

• 11:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Fed is-

• 11:11Sean Fennessey?

  Discovery.

• 11:13Amanda Dobbins?

  It was about the fetishation of steel books and slipcovers.

• 11:17Sean Fennessey?

  All part and parcel.

• 11:18Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's, you know, I appreciate art and visual achievement in all its forms, whether it's a film or a teacup. So there.

• 11:25Sean Fennessey?

  I won't make fun of you for teacups.

• 11:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I don't believe you. Um, do you want to hear what I think about the-

• 11:30Sean Fennessey?

  I do want to hear what you think about this movie.

• 11:31Amanda Dobbins?

  So, well, I just, I just watched the trailer and my take is, you know, this comes for all kid actors, but I will say it, Grogu is getting less cute as he ages.

• 11:42Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 11:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And so that's a real problem.

• 11:44Sean Fennessey?

  Sheesh.

• 11:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, he's just not as cute as he was.

• 11:47Sean Fennessey?

  But-

• 11:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And listen-

• 11:48Sean Fennessey?

  Have they aged him up in your mind?

• 11:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and he's losing, and listen, I, it's a, it's a pot and kettle situation because I am also losing volume in my face, you know, it comes for all of us.

• 11:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And I don't think he should, but it's just, yeah, it's getting narrower and it's not as cute.

• 12:04Sean Fennessey?

  The thing is, um, you know, Yoda is, is, I, I think centuries old.

• 12:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 12:10Sean Fennessey?

  And, and he's getting cuter with age. Like, I think in their species-

• 12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. So he's in the middle.

• 12:16Sean Fennessey?

  Cause like Yoda in the prequels, where he's a little bit more-

• 12:19Amanda Dobbins?

  It's tough.

• 12:19Sean Fennessey?

  He's got a little bit more like pizzazz to him, you know, he's flipping around and swinging a lightsaber. He's not as, he's not as appealing as he is in the originals.

• 12:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe this is like the adolescence of Grogu and it's awkward time.

• 12:30Sean Fennessey?

  Was that communicated in the trailer? I feel like it's like three days later.

• 12:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just looking at the composition of the face over time, you know?

• 12:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Because what else am I looking at? What are those like big machines on stilts called?

• 12:43Sean Fennessey?

  Ad-ats.

• 12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like, okay, that's, that looks like a cool video game. Hope you guys have fun playing that. I don't care.

• 12:49Sean Fennessey?

  I'm glad you brought that up.

• 12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm looking at Grogu.

• 12:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because the ad-ats are like pretty legendary. I think, I think we first saw them at-

• 12:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, are they?

• 12:57Sean Fennessey?

  In Hoth in Empire Strikes Back.

• 12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 13:00Sean Fennessey?

  Those droids, those giant droid machi, like tanks were handcrafted and there was like, you know, made by humans.

• 13:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:10Sean Fennessey?

  And in this trailer, there's CGI and there's just more CGI in Star Wars than there used to be and there's clearly going to be a lot in this movie. And Star Wars is kind of, is arguably the most relevant movie to the development of visual technology in film in the last 50 years and-

• 13:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 13:27Sean Fennessey?

  Lucas going back into the original movies and adding stuff.

• 13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I see that discussion on the physical media episode and all the CGI stuff.

• 13:33Sean Fennessey?

  You thought that was valuable.

• 13:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 13:36Amanda Dobbins?

  But that had nothing to, and I guess the fact that it's not available is both, you know, the filmmaker's intent and also why we need, you know, notes and group projects.

• 13:45Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of listeners reached out about that, actually. And they're like, this is available, this is available. You just have to buy it. But what you're buying is not an officially released version of the movie. It's like, you know, bootleg copies that are being sold on like sloppyseconds.com or whatever.

• 13:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So that doesn't have the reference or the transfer that you.

• 14:01Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. Some people say it's just as good, but I don't, I don't know. I haven't seen those. I'm trying to support the industry, you know, I'm not trying to bootleg. But some people have a different philosophy about that. They think you should torrent movies and, and share bootlegs.

• 14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I did think that the suggestion that you guys donate everything to the public library, once you've replaced things, was a good one.

• 14:21Sean Fennessey?

  I have a huge crate full of doubles that I would be, Chris should get some of them, but I would love to just give them to people who want them. Maybe at our next live show, I'll give away.

• 14:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that would be nice.

• 14:30Sean Fennessey?

  I have a ton of Criterion doubles at this point that I'd need to give away.

• 14:32Amanda Dobbins?

  How are you gonna get them to New York? You're gonna have a little suitcase like Tracy.

• 14:37Sean Fennessey?

  I'd rather not do that, since I will be traveling with my family. I'll figure something out. Mandalorian and Grogu. So will you see, you'll see it for work?

• 14:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Sean Fennessey?

  Would you ever in a million years see it if you did not have this job?

• 14:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 14:49Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Respectfully, no.

• 14:51Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. I am, I'm quite curious about how this movie plays, because Star Wars has not been at the movies in, it'll be seven years at this point when the movie comes out, because the, the.

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I like the Sigourney Weaver look nice.

• 15:03Sean Fennessey?

  She did. She did.

• 15:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Happy to see her?

• 15:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure. I mean, we don't know what she does. She, does she have any dialogue in that sequence?

• 15:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, she and Grogu just have a wordless exchange.

• 15:13Sean Fennessey?

  Right. And he, he.

• 15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's played for humor, and then she stops it.

• 15:16Sean Fennessey?

  Toward him? The ashtray? What is that?

• 15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe a snack.

• 15:19Sean Fennessey?

  A snack, I see. Okay. How do you feel about the force?

• 15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I mean.

• 15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think about it a lot, honestly.

• 15:28Sean Fennessey?

  Would you put in the time to learn how to harness it? If someone came to you and said, hey, Amanda, the force is real and I know how to do it and I'll teach you, but it's going to require one year of study.

• 15:39Amanda Dobbins?

  But isn't it like you have to be called?

• 15:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 15:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Not everyone has the force.

• 15:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, but you've been tapped on the shoulder.

• 15:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But, but.

• 15:47Sean Fennessey?

  You have the midi-chlorians needed.

• 15:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so, but it, but it's, I mean, it's genetic. It's like handed down.

• 15:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 15:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I mean, well, so, you know, that's dicey.

• 15:55Sean Fennessey?

  But it is also religious.

• 15:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, I don't do that.

• 15:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's spiritual.

• 16:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I, I think you know that I'm not really interested in engaging in my spiritual life, but like, at the same time.

• 16:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's so funny, the way you frame that, too. It makes it sound like the, the life does exist somewhere.

• 16:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, it's like, it's like I probably do have the force.

• 16:15Sean Fennessey?

  Is it in storage?

• 16:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And in some ways, like, I'm just using it every day in my own way, you know?

• 16:18Sean Fennessey?

  You probably do have the force.

• 16:19Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what this looks like.

• 16:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:22Amanda Dobbins?

  So, it's, but no, I'm not, I'm not gonna go to school.

• 16:25Sean Fennessey?

  Can we get like the force ghost halo around Amanda this morning? Just, can you go in the post on that, Jack?

• 16:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And I remember the, the Ryan Johnson one.

• 16:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, Mark Hamill was such a pill. Like, I'm not putting up with that shit, you know?

• 16:37Sean Fennessey?

  Damn.

• 16:37Amanda Dobbins?

  When he was training, right?

• 16:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, eh, no thanks.

• 16:40Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, he was a part of a, a, a broken revolution, you know? He had a spirit crushed.

• 16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I understand all of that, but like, is that how I want to spend my time?

• 16:48Sean Fennessey?

  The Last Jedi reminds me of another movie that's coming out very soon.

• 16:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know, but then we can talk about different ways that everyone, uh, you know, expresses themselves and commits to the next generation, okay?

• 16:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's, um, that hadn't occurred to me.

• 17:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Me either, but as soon as I was talking about him, mm.

• 17:04Sean Fennessey?

  So, one last thing, I did, this did occur to me while brushing my teeth this morning, because my life is so sad.

• 17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:09Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I had watched this trailer and then I went to go brush my teeth and I started thinking about The Last Jedi and what it did to the fandom of these movies and TV shows, right? And it like, it broke them. The idea of rejecting some of the dogma of Lucas's Star Wars world in that film cleaved the fandom into two, people who like The Last Jedi and people who do not.

• 17:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 17:29Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and people who rejected Johnson's ideas of what the movie could be became like a subjective war about taste and what these movies and TV shows should do. And this movie feels like the final step in the retreat, right? The retreat to serving the fans.

• 17:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:44Sean Fennessey?

  The fans, whoever the fans are. I'm a fan, but I, and I like The Last Jedi, but some don't. And it just feels-

• 17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  The fans they can make money off of.

• 17:51Sean Fennessey?

  But it but it feels smaller. It does feel like it's speaking to us like that. You know, we've been talking about the Marvel stuff and all the how the franchises are getting smaller across all movies and they're everybody's looking for something new to kind of break through. And this is like, I know this show's been around for five years, you know, this isn't new. Not there's almost nothing in the trailer that we see that is like, oh, I've never seen that before. You know, I guess we see a hut fighting, you know, like Jabba the Hutt.

• 18:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  In the arena.

• 18:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I did see that.

• 18:17Sean Fennessey?

  But even still, it's like we've seen huts before, you know, it's just like, it's a lot of stuff that we're like, yeah, I know that Babu Frick, you see him in there getting in the mix, wasn't that Babu Frick?

• 18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  From the the Force Awakens?

• 18:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 18:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and yeah.

• 18:29Sean Fennessey?

  Or no, was he in the Force Awakens?

• 18:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Or I I don't remember, but he was small.

• 18:32Sean Fennessey?

  Jack, when does Babu Frick show up? Come on, you're the Star Wars expert. Literally zero clue. Okay, uh, anyway.

• 18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  He was small, maybe it was Last Skywalker, because I thought Babu Frick was funny and what was otherwise like a ridiculous movie.

• 18:44Sean Fennessey?

  I believe you're right. I think it's The Last Skywalker.

• 18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But I could not remember his name.

• 18:47Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay, I guess, I guess, I guess that's one of the biggest movies of 2026.

• 18:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 18:55Sean Fennessey?

  I'll see it. Maybe I'll love it.

• 18:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I I really do hope to be in France. Will it follow us to France is the real concern.

• 19:02Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that is in play, right?

• 19:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:04Sean Fennessey?

  It could premiere at Cannes.

• 19:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope that, I mean, Thierry, come on, have a little self-respect.

• 19:09Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny did.

• 19:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I know Thierry does not have that much self-respect.

• 19:13Sean Fennessey?

  There's gotta be a big noisy Hollywood movie that opens the festival, right?

• 19:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's probably the best candidate.

• 19:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:19Sean Fennessey?

  We shall see. Okay, let's just quickly talk about the box office, because we haven't been talking about this for a while. The last kind of mega sensation of the box office was Weapons, which we hit on last week on the show. And September is usually a pretty rough time.

• 19:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:32Sean Fennessey?

  September is kind of the new February, and the only thing that really works are horror movies. And so like in recent years, the two It films were released in September. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice last year was the big hit. This year, we've had The Conjuring: Last Rites, which has been a real sensation. It's made already $150 million in three weeks, which is pretty crazy. And then after that, it's been a little rocky. So a couple of new films we'll talk about here on the episode, we'll talk about him, we'll talk about The Long Walk, we'll talk about Downton Abbey, we'll talk about A Big Bold Beautiful Journey. Those have all come out in the last two weeks. The biggest movie in the country for the last two weeks has been Demon Slayer: Infinity Castle. Now, you haven't seen it.

• 20:09Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 20:09Sean Fennessey?

  And neither have I.

• 20:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 20:11Sean Fennessey?

  Not a huge anime head?

• 20:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Nor am I. We're too old.

• 20:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's very much a Gen Z and young millennial phenomenon.

• 20:18Amanda Dobbins?

  The generational divide of we're just like, well, we miss that.

• 20:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah. I think I am just a little daunted by what I understand to be everything that comes before this installment of the Demon Slayer story that I'm like, I'm not sure if I'll understand this at all. And so I don't even know how valuable it would be for us to talk about it. However, what's undeniable is how much it is connecting with like a hyper niche, like a power niche.

• 20:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 20:44Sean Fennessey?

  And the audience is just showing up for this. This movie's made a hundred million dollars. It's the first animated movie in 2025 to make 100 million dollars. First of all, that's an insane statistic. Animated movies are among the most reliable.

• 20:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:57Sean Fennessey?

  You know, movie types that we have out there.

• 20:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:00Sean Fennessey?

  They have been. I think the highest grossing since then, uh, prior to this rather, was Dogman, which came out in January and made like 96 million.

• 21:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I learned my son has seen twice.

• 21:08Sean Fennessey?

  Seen the film twice.

• 21:09Amanda Dobbins?

  He's seen Dogman twice. That was his plain film of choice.

• 21:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, very cool.

• 21:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I had no idea what was happening. I was in charge of the other baby. So I was in charge of the baby.

• 21:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty gentle.

• 21:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:18Sean Fennessey?

  Um, anyway, the, you know, obviously movies like Elio just completely bombed. And so Demon Slayer is kind of blotting everything out. Now, this is like a kind of a very soft weekend and in general, a lot of stuff underperformed that we'll get into shortly. But is there any part of you? Okay, let me ask you this. It's a good way to think about it. It's pretty reasonable to expect that Knox will get into anime.

• 21:43Sean Fennessey?

  It is like a real draw for young kids and it's not, I mean, there's it's to me, it's not like video games. Like there's nothing insidious about anime. It's just a certain type of storytelling. And it's very movie and television focused. And, you know, I know that the Midnight Boys are probably going to talk about this movie pretty soon. But you, I don't know when you and I would ever talk about Demon Slayer like in depth, the way we would, one battle after another.

• 22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 22:09Sean Fennessey?

  If he's into it, like, will you encourage it? Will he be baffled? Will he try to keep away from it? Friends. I mean, it's usually peers, right? It's like one friend likes it and then another friend is like, did you see that?

• 22:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. It still feels like we're a little far away from, from that. He hasn't come home yet and been like, oh, I need to watch XYZ. And even at soccer practice today, this week, there were some Paw Patrol stickers. And Knox came over and was like, I have Paw Patrol. And I was like, Well, that's a very special soccer-only thing. I don't know where else we would find that.

• 22:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, because I'm not going down that road, so.

• 22:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we have managed to avoid that one entirely. I will say, something that has been happening that is related to this, and this was not even true when we recorded our episode about it, but K-pop Demon Hunters.

• 22:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Sean Fennessey?

  Is such a phenomenon at school, and the shift from three years old to four years old for my daughter.

• 23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:02Sean Fennessey?

  Means that the girls, all of her friends, sing the songs together at school.

• 23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's cute.

• 23:07Sean Fennessey?

  And talk about the movie. And then my daughter comes home and she says, can we put on the music? I want to dance. I want to fight. You saw some fighting this weekend?

• 23:16Amanda Dobbins?

  We did, yeah.

• 23:17Sean Fennessey?

  You know, some battling? And it's like the first time that I've really seen the socialization impact of pop culture.

• 23:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 23:26Sean Fennessey?

  From her. You know, she saw the movie a couple of times, liked it, didn't talk to me about it after that.

• 23:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Sean Fennessey?

  And then, when the crew is hanging out and talking about it, and this is very much in the same vein, right?

• 23:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, the music is also a huge part of that, right?

• 23:37Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 23:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And that the music is good and can exist independently of the movie, and then can also be a thing that they can glom onto, so that they, like, if they don't understand, like, the demon hunting mythology, or if they aren't attracted to that, they at least can, like, sing Golden 45 times.

• 23:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's what it is.

• 23:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So, yeah.

• 23:58Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly what it is.

• 24:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And that is true of a lot of kids' entertainments, right?

• 24:04Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That are based on songs or have songs throughout, and that's how they, like, get continued on. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

• 24:10Sean Fennessey?

  That's sort of why I ask, I think, because I'm going through it in my home. And I like K-pop Demon Hunters, so it's not a problem. Those songs are great.

• 24:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:15Sean Fennessey?

  But there will be something a year from now that is less good, and then you're like, okay.

• 24:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 24:19Sean Fennessey?

  How do we navigate this phenomenon that everyone loves? And we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, I suppose.

• 24:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah. It seems right now like Batman and Legos are the two likeliest.

• 24:29Sean Fennessey?

  For you.

• 24:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Batman and Legos both rock.

• 24:33Amanda Dobbins?

  We tried the Batman Lego movie, but he was too little and he was scared.

• 24:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. But do you have any Batman Legos at your house?

• 24:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No Legos yet, because Psy is just menace, and so it's like a choking hazard issue. I mean, we could do it, but we got a lot of magnet tiles.

• 24:48Sean Fennessey?

  I got it.

• 24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:49Sean Fennessey?

  I'm brainstorming on gifts. Um, the other thing I wanted to know, we've been seeing this a little bit over the last couple of years, is in the top 10, there are two movies that were released several decades ago.

• 25:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Toy Story, which was re-released two weeks ago.

• 25:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:05Sean Fennessey?

  And Howl's Moving Castle.

• 25:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 25:06Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, which was also released two weeks ago. The Studio Ghibli's been doing a re-release of all their films.

• 25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Sean Fennessey?

  Throughout the summer. And Toy Story is 30 years old, which is quite terrifying.

• 25:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:16Sean Fennessey?

  To learn.

• 25:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 25:17Sean Fennessey?

  That it's 30 years old.

• 25:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm getting old.

• 25:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I am. I hosted another of these. I hosted a Q and A after a 25th anniversary screening of Bring It On last night.

• 25:27Sean Fennessey?

  Tell us about it.

• 25:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just Bring It On is 25, which is like really alarming, especially when I realized I was in high school when this movie came out. So that's just, that's tough. It was very fun. I got to meet Kirsten Dunst. She was absolutely lovely. I got to meet Gabrielle Union. She was absolutely lovely. Um, Lindsay Sloan, Jesse Bradford. But yeah, no, we're real old, like really old.

• 25:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's funny that this stuff is being trotted out as simul nostalgia and introduction for kids. So little kids can watch this stuff for the first time on the big screen, which I love, but for adults, it's like comfort food for them too. You know, to go see Howl's Moving Castle with your kid.

• 26:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 26:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's a lot of fun.

• 26:04Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very nice. Yeah.

• 26:06Sean Fennessey?

  One more thing.

• 26:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I did do that this weekend, but it was for Singing in the Rain at the Academy Museum.

• 26:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I heard. That's great.

• 26:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was, it was great. It was very charming.

• 26:12Sean Fennessey?

  You had quite a movie weekend.

• 26:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I did. And Knox really liked to do it. Knox sat through the whole thing.

• 26:16Sean Fennessey?

  Excellent.

• 26:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And he led clapping after every song.

• 26:18Sean Fennessey?

  Was it in the big room or the small room?

• 26:20Amanda Dobbins?

  It was downstairs, the Ted Man Theater.

• 26:22Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 26:22Amanda Dobbins?

  The green theater.

• 26:23Sean Fennessey?

  I like that one.

• 26:24Amanda Dobbins?

  The green seats, as they're known in our house. And it was, it was great. It was a mix of, I think Knox was probably the youngest person there, but there were other young kids and then there were people of all ages. And, um, that movie's really good. I don't know if you've heard.

• 26:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'll check it out.

• 26:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 26:39Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, one other new release thing to get into before we start talking about films that are actually on the world. It was announced last week that on October 3rd.

• 26:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 26:48Sean Fennessey?

  AMC Theaters will be releasing something called Taylor Swift: The Official Release Party of a Showgirl.

• 26:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 26:55Sean Fennessey?

  Which is, um, what is, what is that?

• 26:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So it is an, uh, an event loosely related to cinema.

• 27:03Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And very related to her new album, The Life of a Showgirl.

• 27:08Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 27:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Which comes out then, I believe, that day.

• 27:10Sean Fennessey?

  What's the, what's the idea behind that album?

• 27:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, it's about the life of a showgirl.

• 27:15Sean Fennessey?

  Is it a concept album?

• 27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't know yet. I, I worry that it is.

• 27:20Sean Fennessey?

  Is it about the Pamela Anderson film that came out last year?

• 27:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, in some ways, that would be better. The more that she moves towards like fiction, you know? She's not writing from life. She's writing from, um, her imagination and it's sort of like creative writing workshop. That's tough for me.

• 27:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, personally, I just, I like, I don't care for it, but you know, she's, this could be about era's tour. It could be about Travis. It could be about, uh, you know, I don't know what.

• 27:49Sean Fennessey?

  Travis who?

• 27:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Have you heard of it?

• 27:51Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you referring to?

• 27:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, he won a game last night, I heard.

• 27:55Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I would say Patrick Mahomes won a game.

• 27:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, just the one.

• 27:58Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Mahomes, I, I'm, I'm, I'm just striking the haters down. I feel he's still got it. He made three throws in the second half that were out of this world. It was really nice to be not prepping and watching a movie for like 10 minutes and watching football yesterday. That felt great. Uh, boy, anything else?

• 28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Are we gonna see this? Are you gonna go? We're gonna be in New York.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. It's not, it's just, it doesn't sound like a movie. It doesn't. If it's a movie, like the era's tour, I was, I wouldn't say I was happy to see it, but I was like, this is a movie event, right? They have made a concert film, which is something that we both like and have done well. This feels like, like a 70 minute like stunt.

• 28:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're playing the song there. Um, there's a music video. There's like behind the scenes footage. I don't really care either.

• 28:39Sean Fennessey?

  I would, I must say, 824 must be fucking pissed because this is the weekend of the Smashing Machine.

• 28:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:43Sean Fennessey?

  And they had that weekend all to themselves and now here comes Taylor Swift and this will almost certainly. Be the number one movie of the weekend. I don't know, maybe, can you see it and like, level set it for me?

• 28:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I don't know whether I'm going to be able to get tickets and I think it's a pretty limited event for that weekend.

• 28:58Sean Fennessey?

  Should we cancel our live show?

• 28:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I will no longer be there. I will be down the street at the AMC. Or I guess like across the park. I don't know what's going on on the Upper East Side.

• 29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited to find out. You know, if, if I could go on Friday, I guess, maybe. I have dinner plans, but.

• 29:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I'm not invited to dinner?

• 29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  No, actually, but you could come another, we could do dinner another night.

• 29:24Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks for the invite.

• 29:27Sean Fennessey?

  Did we miss anything else of note?

• 29:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sure, but, you know.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think we should turn this into a 24 hour livestream? Where we just look at social media and see what we've missed in recent days?

• 29:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think that, that would go really well.

• 29:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I'm stalling a bit because I don't even know how to dig in all these movies.

• 29:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Sean Fennessey?

  There's been a ton of stuff that's come out recently.

• 29:47Amanda Dobbins?

  And we've seen a lot of them.

• 29:49Sean Fennessey?

  I've, I've more or less organized this in reverse chronology. Where we start at the most recent movies that have come out and go backwards from there. How do you feel about that?

• 29:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel good. I've seen most of the first ones and at some point it drops off because I was, I was away.

• 30:04Sean Fennessey?

  You've seen a couple that I haven't seen too.

• 30:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 30:05Sean Fennessey?

  So, let's start with Him.

• 30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 30:09Sean Fennessey?

  Because Him is the highest grossing new movie of the weekend.

• 30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 30:14Sean Fennessey?

  This is the new film from Monkey Paw Productions, which is Jordan Peele's company. There were a lot of produced by Jordan Peele, uh, notes on the marketing and posters around town, which I think confused some people and made them think maybe this was a Jordan Peele movie. It is not. It's directed by Justin Tipping. It's written by Skip Bronky, Zach Akers and Tipping. And it stars Marlon Wayans, Tyree Withers, who we just saw. And I know what you did last summer, the reboot of that franchise, Julia Fox and Tim Heidecker. This is not what I was expecting.

• 30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  What were you expecting?

• 30:47Sean Fennessey?

  I think I was expecting something along the lines of Any Given Sunday. Oliver Stone's look at professional football, non-NFL sanctioned, but a kind of ensemble drama slash hyperkinetic action movie set in the world of sports. And I knew that this had a huge horror element. We saw the trailer for this movie at CinemaCon. And I remember we were talking with Craig Horl back and we were like, it's kind of never really been like a sports horror movie before, or at least not one set in the world of football. Makes a lot of sense. Football is one of the most beloved and known things in our culture. And coming from Jordan Peele's company, a lot of this makes a lot of sense. The movie heading into the weekend was tracking really well. And then all of a sudden it dived pretty dramatically, in part because it's gotten very bad reviews.

• 31:32Sean Fennessey?

  So I thought this was going to be a big story of epic scope in which a lot of football was played.

• 31:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Well, another key word there is story, which you thought there was going to be a story.

• 31:43Sean Fennessey?

  There's not a lot of story. There's some story, but it is pretty bare bones.

• 31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And it's an idea.

• 31:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great idea.

• 31:50Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a great idea. And it also, it is, it wants to be, or I shouldn't say want to, wants to. It is a movie about, you know, how football, the football industry preys upon or uses up, you know, young black men in particular. I guess it's a little bit about black masculinity. It knows all of its ideas. But then that's just like, well, that's it. It's like, so again, this is what it's about. And we're going to say that to you pretty literally.

• 32:20Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's like one more aspect of it, but it's connected to what you just described, which is I think like the religion of football, right? And the way that like, people turn themselves over to these godlike powers and who is really in charge of the institutions? And then who do they use inside of those institutions? How do they prey upon those people? And so in this case, the movie is about a young star quarterback coming out of college who is about to be drafted and could be the next great QB. And the team he becomes closely aligned with is known as the Saviors. Hint, hint. And.

• 32:58Sean Fennessey?

  In an effort to train ahead of the launch of the new season, he goes to the home of a retiring quarterback for the franchise, maybe retiring quarterback, who is an icon to this franchise beloved. And Tyreek Withers is the young prospect. Marlon Wayans plays this iconic figure. And it's sort of like, um,

• 33:22Sean Fennessey?

  like a Silence of the Lambs style horror character study between these two guys and the things that they go through to the, and it's sort of a mystery. But it's not scary and then there's no real revelation at the other side of it. I will say the movie is extremely stylish and beautiful.

• 33:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:39Sean Fennessey?

  But it does effectively feel like a 90 minute commercial. You know, where you can watch a commercial and be like, damn, cinematography, the vision, the way that this is executed. Commercials can be beautiful, but they're often kind of hollow. And this movie looked beautiful to me, but I thought the story was very hollow. And I thought despite some kind of interesting performances from the two leads, it was like really unsuccessful and kind of enervating. Like the whole time I was sort of like, when is the story going to start?

• 34:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, exactly.

• 34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it's like, it's just a movie about training because there's no football played.

• 34:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And then it's, and also the only other aspect of the story is like, is he going to be the goat? But they keep, keep saying, will he be the goat? Like it's like, can he like be elected president or something? Like it's like a literal, you know, title or job. It's like, it's MVP.

• 34:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 34:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and I'm like, well, I'm glad you guys like podcasts so much, but that's not really how it works. And you sound stupid when you keep saying it. Uh, I thought Julia Fox was very funny.

• 34:37Sean Fennessey?

  She was, she was the only person I thought who was really like on the wavelength of the camp sense of humor in the movie.

• 34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:44Sean Fennessey?

  And I don't know if that's, that feels like a function of directing. Like the performers are not really at fault if the movie has a completely uneven tone. And the tone is just really, there's times where it is like a brutally violent psychological horror film. And then there are other times where it's like borderline like slapstick.

• 35:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Sean Fennessey?

  And I found it a little bit tough to understand what they were actually going for ultimately.

• 35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I, I mean, I was just, I was missing a plot, you know?

• 35:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 35:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And I agree with you that it looked, you know, good and distinctive and.

• 35:20Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like, I understand what they wanted to convey to us, but I didn't. I was bored, honestly. I was just bored because there was no, you know, first act, second act, third act. It just, it wasn't moving anywhere.

• 35:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The movie that that actually made me think about, which it, on the surface may not seem like it has a lot in common with, but I think actually has a lot in common with is Infinity Pool. I don't know if you ever saw that, the Alexander Skarsgård Mia Goth movie that Brandon Cronenberg directed.

• 35:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, yeah.

• 35:48Sean Fennessey?

  Where Skarsgård is like on a vacation and he meets this, with his girlfriend, he meets this, this couple and they kind of draw him into their world.

• 35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:57Sean Fennessey?

  And it's about seclusion and cult-like fascination and it's very gory and phantasmagoric. And there's, you know, an orgy sequence in this movie, there's an orgy sequence in that movie. But like, the Cronenberg movie has a million things on its mind, is really immersive and interesting, you have no idea where it's going. This movie is just kind of like dead end after dead end.

• 36:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 36:16Sean Fennessey?

  And it was a bummer.

• 36:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it is, it's parceled out day by day with like, you know, title cards that tell you what's gonna happen. And it was really weird.

• 36:26Sean Fennessey?

  And they don't really, but they don't lead anywhere and they're not really insightful about the plotting of the story. So yeah, this is, this is a pretty big disappointing miss. You know, you, you mentioned that you really liked Tyreek Withers when we were doing I Know What You Did Last Summer. And he definitely, he has, he has screen presence.

• 36:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought he was good and memorable. You know, I thought that that movie like this sort of did a disservice to its, its cast, can't use their charms.

• 36:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's not his fault.

• 36:53Sean Fennessey?

  Marlon Wayans is 53.

• 36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 36:56Sean Fennessey?

  So, that would be old for a QB. Now, he looks great.

• 37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  He looks great.

• 37:00Sean Fennessey?

  And he's in great shape. And I guess you could buy it, but I have been living with Marlon Wayans in my life for a really long time.

• 37:06Amanda Dobbins?

  But aren't you supposed to, there are a lot of like, like occult. Bargain with the devil, like, you know, there's a little substance going on in here. So aren't you supposed to believe that, like, I mean, he's like literally getting blood transfusions. So I don't know, people, people can do weird shit now.

• 37:26Sean Fennessey?

  But we're not meant to believe in the chronology of the story that he's been playing for 32 years.

• 37:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 37:31Sean Fennessey?

  Which is how long he would be playing.

• 37:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine, but like.

• 37:34Sean Fennessey?

  In this NFL, fake NFL.

• 37:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Forty-five, you know, how old's Tom Brady and he just quit?

• 37:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think he retired at 45.

• 37:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so, you know, I'm, I.

• 37:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 37:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't pause on it.

• 37:43Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not trying to age shame Marlon Wayans. He's looks, sounds better than I ever will and is more successful.

• 37:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That wasn't the biggest logic problem in the movie for me.

• 37:51Sean Fennessey?

  I guess I'm like, I saw Marlon Wayans in a movie in like 1991.

• 37:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:54Sean Fennessey?

  You know, so it's just, it's a little, just a head, head scratcher for me.

• 38:00Sean Fennessey?

  Was, was him a, a more or less of a fiasco than A Big Bold Beautiful Journey?

• 38:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. This is a, this is a, this is a great question.

• 38:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe less. But, but I, but that's possibly just because of expectations.

• 38:17Sean Fennessey?

  See, that's, okay, so I'm glad you set it up that way.

• 38:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And at least, and I would say him at least achieves something visually. Where like, huh. Uh, where.

• 38:28Sean Fennessey?

  It had, it had a certain kind of style that maybe we don't see at the movies.

• 38:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 38:31Sean Fennessey?

  There was, I, I enjoyed the one moment in him, by the way, when the headshot comes in and they flipped to x-ray.

• 38:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:39Sean Fennessey?

  You know, there were a couple of choices like that that were, that were cool. A Big Bold Beautiful Journey is, is kind of a heartbreaking movie. Um, I love Koganata's first film, Columbus.

• 38:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible.

• 38:52Sean Fennessey?

  Love.

• 38:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 38:52Sean Fennessey?

  One of my favorite movies of the last 20 years. I talked about it, the year that it came out, it was in my top five. I had him on the show for After Yang. He's a really gifted filmmaker.

• 39:03Sean Fennessey?

  This movie is, uh, just, just, just dead on arrival. And I feel terrible to say that, but like, I, there, people have pointed something out interesting about it.

• 39:13Amanda Dobbins?

  What happened here.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  It really is.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Top to bottom.

• 39:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, it is. It's like a dead pigeon. Like it's like it's a movie that does not, it never takes off. And it stars Margot Robbie. This is her first feature film since Barbie. Colin Farrell, who has been having a great few years. And then even in the supporting cast, Kevin Kline, Phoebe Waller-Bridge. It's not written by Koganata and it is not edited by Koganata.

• 39:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 39:39Sean Fennessey?

  Something for us to cite, if you liked After Yang or Columbus. It has some of this like the kind of presentational style, the frame, the framing, the way that he sets up a shot.

• 39:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Sean Fennessey?

  Everything else feels different. And it's a story, it's a, it's a movie about two people who essentially get set up on a blind date at a wedding. And they also, through a rental car service, take them, it takes them on a journey through moments in their past. So that they can reflect on who they are, who they were, the things that they did, and whether or not they can or should be together. And it reminded me a little bit of like really kind of treacly 90s movies like What Dreams May Come. You know?

• 40:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Totally.

• 40:21Sean Fennessey?

  Where you're like in a sort of magical realist world. And it's a very sincere, sentimental exploration of feeling. But without any like sense of humor or grounding that really clicks. And then the worst thing, I think you'll agree with me, is like these two people who are individually great have no chemistry.

• 40:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No. And I was thinking a lot about, the Margot Robbie character is just a manic pixie, dream girl nightmare. And so, and it does have that construction of who is this whimsical woman dressed like Blake Lively from It Ends With Us?

• 41:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Leading this man through some sort of, you know, adventure where he can access his emotions and then, and then maybe find love. Really, really bad stuff. I have a friend who read the original script and said that the script is also, was also originally really good. And very different. So your point about how it was not written by Koganata, that there's maybe a mismatching here and the interpretation. It's, you know, I, I texted him and I was like, okay, but what was good in it? Like I really honestly can't find anything. Maybe besides Colin Farrell doing.

• 41:38Amanda Dobbins?

  How to succeed in business without really trying?

• 41:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, well, I didn't. I kind of enjoyed that part.

• 41:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, for like for three minutes. I was like, oh, OK, so it's, you know.

• 41:47Sean Fennessey?

  There's a high school musical set piece in the center of the movie that is very charming.

• 41:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:53Sean Fennessey?

  And maybe the movie should have just been a musical entirely. That might have actually been more successful. But I don't.

• 42:01Sean Fennessey?

  Some of this is my own hang up because like I took this movie in the movie auction.

• 42:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:05Sean Fennessey?

  In my movie fantasy league that I'm in, I have this movie.

• 42:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's probably the only movie I I picked in that league that is like just straight up not going to do anything. And I think maybe just my appreciation for the two previous Coganata movies.

• 42:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 42:18Sean Fennessey?

  Had me hyped up about it, you know?

• 42:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, the writing was on the wall as this, you know, this is Colin Farrell, Margot Robbie and Coganata. Before we knew anything about it besides what was on paper, it was anticipated. And then the Fall Festival lineups came on one by one and there was just absolutely nothing. It gets this release date.

• 42:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was originally supposed to be, was it Mother's Day? I think it was Mother's Day.

• 42:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:43Sean Fennessey?

  And then they bumped it. And I was like, they bumped it into this September wasteland.

• 42:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 42:48Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, that's not good.

• 42:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But I think when they bumped it.

• 42:52Sean Fennessey?

  We had hoped it was like a awards contender.

• 42:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, because we thought that it was because it was after a film festival. So we thought maybe it would debut and then coast right into that.

• 43:00Sean Fennessey?

  To not even be a Tiff is.

• 43:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Sean Fennessey?

  The.

• 43:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:04Sean Fennessey?

  Anyway, that you the suspicions were correct.

• 43:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:07Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 43:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Really tough stuff.

• 43:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's wild and.

• 43:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I, by the way, I didn't. I didn't think the the visual style worked either.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was trying to do a kind of elevated imagined production design, like children's book production design.

• 43:21Amanda Dobbins?

  For sure.

• 43:21Sean Fennessey?

  And at times it worked and at other times I was like, why are we in a Burger King right now?

• 43:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  Like, what is what is even the thinking here of this product placement that is meant to be whimsical, but is just so tacky?

• 43:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Really, really depressing.

• 43:32Sean Fennessey?

  A series of like really bad choices over and over again. And this is tough because him and a big, beautiful journey are.

• 43:40Sean Fennessey?

  Literally what I'm asking for.

• 43:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Original.

• 43:45Sean Fennessey?

  Young filmmakers, relatively inexperienced, have only made a couple of movies, original stories, stars, ascendant stars, using genre as a springboard to draw audiences in, horror and romance in this case, I guess rom-com to some extent, mostly romance.

• 44:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:03Sean Fennessey?

  And a film for young male audiences and a film for young female audiences. And this is, this was an open weekend where they could do something and Demon Slayer in its second weekend just obliterated these movies.

• 44:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:14Sean Fennessey?

  Because nobody wants this specific thing. Now, both of these movies got very bad reviews. Very bad reviews.

• 44:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And bad cinema scores. Like no one, no one is happy.

• 44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. So I don't want to, you know.

• 44:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It happens. Sometimes you try things and they, and they don't work.

• 44:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 44:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And then the studios put them all on the same day. You know, it's the, it's the movie version of taking, you know, Friday news dump.

• 44:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's a September dump.

• 44:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. So it feels really bad in this moment because all the things we want didn't pan out. But they are packaged together for that reason.

• 44:47Sean Fennessey?

  They, they are. And the thing is, when you and I growls about this, or people who just love movies and want quality, original storytelling growls about it, this is what executives are afraid of. You know, him is probably like a $30 million movie and it'll probably make its money back and be fine. But A Big Bold Beautiful Journey, this is a big expensive movie with movie stars. And it's going to lose a lot of money. It made $4 million this weekend. I mean, it's going to lose a ton of money. And Sony's already having a terrible year. So this is why people are afraid to take risks. Is because if you make A Big Bold Beautiful Journey and you fail, you're going to get fired? And the studio is going to make three more Spider-Man spinoffs.

• 45:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:23Sean Fennessey?

  Because they're, they, they report to their shareholders. So anyway, that context I think is useful, even though I, I would have loved to have loved this movie. And ironically, the next movie that we will talk about is the third installment.

• 45:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Sean Fennessey?

  In a movie series, which is spun off from a TV series, which is the exact thing that we say we don't want and are sick of.

• 45:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:42Sean Fennessey?

  And it's one of the most delightful movies of the year.

• 45:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, as you said to me when we walked out from our fan screening. The Wednesday night, we sat next to people who talked loudly at the TV as if they were at the screen as if they were at home.

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  We were the youngest people at the screening, yeah.

• 45:55Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's okay, because, you know, at some point, when you're like, they shouldn't make one of these every year and release them, it's like, that is called television?

• 46:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 46:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And I would watch it happily. We are, of course, talking about Downton Abbey, the grand finale, which I hope is not the grand finale.

• 46:11Sean Fennessey?

  Me too.

• 46:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, let's keep going, okay?

• 46:14Sean Fennessey?

  What a winner.

• 46:14Amanda Dobbins?

  It's 1930. We have 10 years before the war, you know? Like, there's plenty more that we can get to.

• 46:20Sean Fennessey?

  We could do this, we could do Lady Mary for the next 50 years. Come on.

• 46:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, though at some point, she like, she does have to sell Downton Abbey, you know?

• 46:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's fine.

• 46:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right, but then that actually kind of is the end.

• 46:32Sean Fennessey?

  But then you just change the title to "After Downton Abbey."

• 46:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but then you run into...

• 46:36Sean Fennessey?

  London in the mid-century.

• 46:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm almost caught up on Gilded Age. Hello, Tracy Letts, how are you? And, and I'm having the time of my life, and that is, of course, like Julian Fellowes is like, next big, um, post-Downton Abbey project.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  But that's set in like, the 1910s, right?

• 46:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think it's like, the late 1800s.

• 46:53Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, late 1800s, okay.

• 46:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But it is, it is notably not filmed at a existing great manor in the UK. It is filmed on sound stages and then uses, you know, respectfully, some of the worst CGI I have ever seen in my entire life.

• 47:08Sean Fennessey?

  Cool. It's New York, though, right?

• 47:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but it's like, you know, it looks super, super fake, because they're imagining a New York of 100 years ago. And then, I don't know, like, no spoilers, but I just watched, there, there was a crash recently that like, was insulting, you know? Like, I pay for my HBO Max, like, come on.

• 47:26Sean Fennessey?

  Just how bad it looked.

• 47:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like, you guys actually can do a little better.

• 47:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 47:30Amanda Dobbins?

  So you, this is all to say that I, like, Julian Fellowes needs the location for it to like, and I'm loving Gilded Age, and I, like, I hope it runs forever. But I do think that...

• 47:43Amanda Dobbins?

  You need an actual place. And so if they had to sell down an abbey, that would be tough.

• 47:47Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's interesting that you say that because that is obviously a huge part of the tension of this story. Because this movie takes place, as you said, in 1930. And the Crawleys are, they're, they have to downsize.

• 47:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:00Sean Fennessey?

  You know, we're entering a new era of England and the manor era is ending. And the family has to look at their finances and what they can and can't afford. Just running the abbey, just upkeeping it is tremendously expensive. Plus, you know, you've got, uh, Lord Crawley is passing the, the sort of family heritage and ownership down to Lady Mary.

• 48:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Is he Lord Crawley or Lord Grantham?

• 48:23Sean Fennessey?

  Lord Grantham, excuse me.

• 48:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:25Sean Fennessey?

  Why do I see, keep saying Crawley?

• 48:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, their family name is Crawley.

• 48:27Sean Fennessey?

  Got it. Lord Grantham, you're right.

• 48:28Amanda Dobbins?

  But he is Lord Grantham. Yeah.

• 48:30Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for correcting me. Um, and the tension, literally in the movie is, is that they, they tore a flat, which is, which would be easily the nicest apartment you and I have ever lived in.

• 48:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Totally.

• 48:43Sean Fennessey?

  And he is, um, just baffled and miserable at the idea of living in this flat.

• 48:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Lord Grantham gets his what is a weekend, which is like, what is a flat?

• 48:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 48:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And he's like, what if I want to go upstairs, you know, to, to take a bath? And they're like, there is no upstairs. Um, but yeah, they have to, they sell their London home, right?

• 49:03Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 49:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is what all, like, all the quote unquote, great families were doing at that time. But they, so they can keep the estate.

• 49:10Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 49:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But if you don't got the estate.

• 49:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, obviously it should be the other way around. They should be selling the abbey so that they can keep the London home.

• 49:16Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what you would do.

• 49:18Sean Fennessey?

  Well, yeah.

• 49:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Sean Fennessey?

  Because we know what happens to all of these giant manners in the 20th century. They all become decrepit and have to be sold off.

• 49:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 49:26Sean Fennessey?

  And become like museum pieces.

• 49:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That is true. And it's the, it's the Second World War that, you know, brings it on. And only really the richest people.

• 49:33Sean Fennessey?

  They could see the rise of fascism in 1930.

• 49:35Amanda Dobbins?

  They also open them to, um, there's an option where they like become museums.

• 49:40Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yeah, sure.

• 49:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, and that still happens where like people live in little small wings and then, you know, like the National Trust and all that stuff.

• 49:47Sean Fennessey?

  Lord Grantham's bottom dollar, though, you know, have you considered that?

• 49:50Amanda Dobbins?

  You like pay entrance and people go and then there's like a gift shop.

• 49:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 49:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and so, you know, that, that could be funny.

• 49:57Sean Fennessey?

  Very cool.

• 49:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Lady Mary is like the docent of the something. I don't really know. Keep making them. This movie, the other thing this movie does, okay. Matthew Goode was not available.

• 50:09Amanda Dobbins?

  For movie two.

• 50:10Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 50:11Amanda Dobbins?

  And so he just wasn't in it and they were quote unquote like having marital problems.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 50:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And apparently.

• 50:16Sean Fennessey?

  Matthew Good's character is married to.

• 50:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  Michelle Dockery's character, Lady Mary.

• 50:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Henry and he likes racing cars as you know, sure. So I guess he was not available for movie three.

• 50:27Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 50:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, he was too busy doing Department Q or whatever is going on.

• 50:31Sean Fennessey?

  Good show.

• 50:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I still haven't seen it. It'll be next on my list.

• 50:34Sean Fennessey?

  Really liked it.

• 50:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Gilded Age is more important to me personally.

• 50:38Sean Fennessey?

  You know me, I never say good show. I thought it was very good.

• 50:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's great.

• 50:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Amanda Dobbins?

  So I although I think Chris and Andy spoiled it for me, whatever. Anyway, so Matthew Good cut out, Lady Mary's getting a divorce and this is bringing on a lot of social tension, which is also a major plotline in episode in season three of The Gilded Age, just to let you know, things have not gotten better, at least for the Brits.

• 51:01Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that is 50 years in the past, but sure.

• 51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but for Downton Abbey, things have not gotten better.

• 51:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 51:07Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's but it's really also like Americans, it's okay, but the Brits, you know, are slow and proper.

• 51:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 51:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, so Lady Mary is getting a divorce and instead has to like possibly get frisky with some some people who who come to to visit.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  Alessandro Navola.

• 51:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, who plays a a companion of Paul Giamatti's uh brother character.

• 51:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 51:30Sean Fennessey?

  Elizabeth McGovern and he is in financial straits at the height of the, no, I guess right at the end of the depression, essentially. 1930 would be right when the depression is ending.

• 51:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 51:40Sean Fennessey?

  And he has been financially rescued by the Navola character.

• 51:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 51:46Sean Fennessey?

  And he whisks his way into this London lifestyle.

• 51:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And the Navola character also has a horse running at Ascot.

• 51:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 51:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And this, again, it's a major CGI Ascot.

• 51:56Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 51:57Amanda Dobbins?

  And so this is the problem. You need the real house.

• 52:00Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you do.

• 52:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. Yes, I have standards. Okay.

• 52:04Sean Fennessey?

  But Lady Mary is going to be downsizing soon.

• 52:05Amanda Dobbins?

  This is like your version. This is your version of the at ass or CGI instead of real. No, no, no, no, we want the real house.

• 52:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I I stand with you. I stand with you.

• 52:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, let's that's in location matters.

• 52:17Sean Fennessey?

  It didn't take away from my utter enjoyment of this movie.

• 52:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, same. But I'm just, I'm, this is for, you know. The next grand finale.

• 52:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, if you like these movies, like if you liked the show, all three movies are great.

• 52:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:29Sean Fennessey?

  If you don't care about the show, there's no reason to watch the movies.

• 52:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I would say that my rankings of the movies are number two is the best, then this one.

• 52:37Sean Fennessey?

  Two, three, one. Yeah.

• 52:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, two, three, one.

• 52:39Sean Fennessey?

  I'm with you 100%. Three was great. I feel like it's doing fine. The first movie made well over $100 million. Like it was a hit.

• 52:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:46Sean Fennessey?

  Second movie did fine.

• 52:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Sean Fennessey?

  This movie's doing less well.

• 52:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Second movie, though, was pandemic.

• 52:49Sean Fennessey?

  It was.

• 52:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Watched it on Peacock with my mom and that was one of the-

• 52:52Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't see it with me?

• 52:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I didn't.

• 52:55Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay. I saw it in theaters and I had a grand old time.

• 52:58Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I watched it at home with my mother and it was, it was awesome.

• 53:02Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Let me tell you about The Long Walk.

• 53:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I was on leave, that's why.

• 53:07Sean Fennessey?

  That makes sense.

• 53:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:08Sean Fennessey?

  How could you and I not see it together?

• 53:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I was with my mom and we put Knox to bed and we were just like, it's Downton Abbey time.

• 53:12Sean Fennessey?

  Two is great.

• 53:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Two is incredible. And again, they go to the real house in the south of France and it is also real estate focused.

• 53:19Sean Fennessey?

  You're pointing at me very aggressively.

• 53:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you did two hours about physical media. Let me do five minutes about how we need to use-

• 53:26Sean Fennessey?

  If you want to do a whole Downton Abbey episode, you can do it.

• 53:29Amanda Dobbins?

  No, just real houses, real places.

• 53:32Sean Fennessey?

  Best movie houses is a great idea for an episode. So just think on that. I know you're gonna say Father of the Bride and da, da, da.

• 53:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I have done, I did do that list on an episode of The Rewatchables.

• 53:43Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 53:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, but I-

• 53:45Sean Fennessey?

  On the Nancy Meyers episode?

• 53:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no, it was actually on the War of the Roses episode, which by the way, we did not see the roses. Sorry.

• 53:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw a lot of posters for it in France. They were really excited about it in France. However, I was not, so I didn't go.

• 53:57Sean Fennessey?

  The rare case where I am a hypocrite in that I don't want movies to go to VOD three weeks after release, ever. I want them to stay in theaters as long as possible. This was the one time where I was like, please, I would like to see the roses because I was out of town when the movie was released. Anyhow, Olivia Colman is on Good Hang last week.

• 54:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she was delightful.

• 54:14Sean Fennessey?

  Please enjoy. She's great.

• 54:15Speaker 05

  You're not missing a whole lot.

• 54:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you saw the roses?

• 54:17Speaker 05

  I did.

• 54:17Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't love it?

• 54:18Speaker 05

  All right. It's fine.

• 54:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. This episode is supported by FX's The Lowdown, starring Ethan Hawke. Allow us to introduce you to Lee Raybon, a quirky journalist/rare bookstore owner/unofficial truth seeker who is always on the tail of his latest conspiracy. This time, his most recent expose puts him head to head with a powerful family that rules Tulsa, meaning only one thing: he must be on to something big. FX's The Lowdown premieres September 23rd on FX; stream on Hulu. Let me tell you about The Long Walk quickly, because I've had a lot of people ask me if I saw this. I was texting with a couple of friends over the weekend about this movie, too. So, this is the latest Stephen King adaptation. It is directed by Francis Lawrence. The screenplay is by J.T. Molner, who is the man who wrote and directed Strange Darling from last year.

• 55:03Sean Fennessey?

  This is a kind of an interesting movie in the Stephen King history, because it is arguably the first novel he ever wrote. And he wrote it in the 60s, when he was a freshman at the... Where did he go to the University of Maine? He did. So, he went to the University of Maine, he started writing novels, and he was in college. His first big hit novel was Carrie in 1974, and this book, The Long Walk, sat on the shelf, basically, for 10 years. And he got it published in 79, under his Richard Bachman alias, which is an alias that he has. You know, a lot of writers have aliases. They publish other novels under... He's published many books under Bachman. I've never read The Long Walk, even though I've read a lot of those 70s King books. For whatever reason, this one always got past me.

• 55:45Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of shocking that it hasn't been adapted until now, but the premise is very simple. It is essentially Shirley Jackson's The Lottery mixed with a marathon.

• 56:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 56:03Sean Fennessey?

  So, it's about teens, one from each state, come together once a year to engage in this kind of high-stakes contest, where they walk for as long as they possibly can, while keeping their pace above 3 miles per hour, until there's one person left standing. And that one person left standing is the winner and wins a great prize, unspecified amount of money.

• 56:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:29Sean Fennessey?

  This is clearly run by, like, a state organization, the military, essentially. There's a major, played by Mark Hamill, who is essentially in charge of this whole thing. And he is in a truck, riding with the walkers throughout the entirety of this film. Really good premise.

• 56:47Sean Fennessey?

  Francis Lawrence, who has made a number of Hunger Games films.

• 56:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna say, a familiar premise for Francis Lawrence.

• 56:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Red Sparrow, Constantine, made some interesting movies. He's definitely like a high toned genre violence filmmaker.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  Stars Cooper Hoffman and David Johnson. Cooper Hoffman is the lead. He's like our entry character, our portal character.

• 57:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 57:11Sean Fennessey?

  And he is a young guy who is bound and determined to win this contest, but he doesn't reveal why until very late in the film. David Johnson, who people may have seen in Alien Romulus or Industry, is wonderful in the first two seasons of Industry. He plays another guy, McFries, who befriends Cooper Hoffman's character early on in the film. And the whole film is just these guys walking and talking. And also terrible things happening to them. If they fall below three miles per hour, they get three warnings until they are shot dead.

• 57:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 57:41Sean Fennessey?

  They, some people get violently ill along the walk. Some people lose their mind and become suicidal on the walk. You gotta remember, they're walking hundreds of miles, so they have to piss and defecate.

• 57:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:55Sean Fennessey?

  And like, all of this comes into play. It's a very gnarly movie in that respect. It's kind of showing you everything. And I was, I was like, more or less into it.

• 58:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's, you can see it's a very hard movie to make because it is essentially like, the camera is where the truck is that Mark Hamill is standing on. And the actors are just into camera, walking through the entirety of their production. I read that they shot it in, what is the word I'm looking for? From start to finish, essentially, in the script.

• 58:27Amanda Dobbins?

  In sequence.

• 58:28Sean Fennessey?

  In sequence, thank you. So they shot it in sequence. And Hoffman and Johnson are amazing in this movie. The script is okay. There's like, some character stuff that is a little bit like clever or overwritten, but their performances are great. Johnson's not American and he's affecting a very interesting southern accent.

• 58:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:46Sean Fennessey?

  And Cooper Hoffman is like, I watched the movie and I was like, just put these guys in movies for the next 40 years.

• 58:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:51Sean Fennessey?

  That would be amazing to let them star in movies. I thought the ending of this movie was terrible. And I'm loathe to spoil it for people who haven't seen it yet, but I thought it kind of like. Rejected a lot of what was exciting about the premise. The movie is like so many movies right now, kind of like a late capitalism metaphor for how money and institutions make everyone crazy and it's how they control people.

• 59:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:16Sean Fennessey?

  You know, this, it's very much like a post-apocalyptic landscape, but maybe set in the 1970s somehow, but they're nonspecific about everything. It's all just very much about these guys. Some of, some of the actors are good, some of them are not so good. But, um, it was diverting and then at the end I was mad.

• 59:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 59:33Sean Fennessey?

  And that's my takeaway from it.

• 59:34Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 59:34Sean Fennessey?

  I wish it was better. And if this was a podcast about The Long Walk, I'd go frame by frame through it, but it just felt like a major rejection.

• 59:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, in a, in a movie like that, you have to stick the landing or else everything else is kind of invalidated.

• 59:47Sean Fennessey?

  It was just dead silent in my movie theater at the end. Like, huh. And so, and I, that was the opposite of what I think the intention was. So kind of spoiled the experience for me. But Hoffman and Johnson, wonderful. Lawrence, solid filmmaker. This episode is brought to you by the Autograph Journey Credit Card from Wells Fargo. The Autograph Journey Credit Card from Wells Fargo is built for travel. You can earn rewards wherever you book, your favorite hotel site, your go-to airline and more. You get five times points with hotels, four times with airlines, three times on restaurants, and other travel, and one point on other purchases. Whether it's a big vacation or a quick getaway, from booking your stay to that first meal when you arrive, you're turning your trips into rewards with the Autograph Journey Credit Card from Wells Fargo. Learn more at wellsfargo.com/autographjourney.

• 1:00:32Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:00:58Sean Fennessey?

  The single biggest movie that was released while we were out

• 1:01:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:03Sean Fennessey?

  is Freaky Friday.

• 1:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:01:05Sean Fennessey?

  So I saw it in a movie theater alone, like a normal man, at four o'clock on a Thursday.

• 1:01:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw it in a movie theater alone at 11:50 on a Tuesday, and a bachelorette party came in.

• 1:01:16Sean Fennessey?

  No kidding?

• 1:01:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Sean Fennessey?

  What, at a le- in the morning?

• 1:01:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, and then some of them left halfway through. It was very confusing.

• 1:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:01:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, also, maybe it was a birthday. I don't know. They were dressed up. Someone was wearing something that looked like a veil.

• 1:01:27Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 1:01:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I wish, I, good luck to everyone.

• 1:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  This is the sequel to Freaky Friday, which is itself a remake of the original film Freaky Friday. It stars Jamie Lee Curtis, Lindsay Lohan, Mark Harmon, Chad Michael Murray, all returning.

• 1:01:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:41Sean Fennessey?

  Rosalynn Chow, and Julia Butters, Sophia Hammond, and Manny Jacinto have joined the gang.

• 1:01:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Sean Fennessey?

  So, two decades after an identity crisis, Anna's blended family faces new challenges. Anna is Lindsay Lohan. Tess and Anna discover their past may be repeating with the next generation.

• 1:01:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:01:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's a plot of this movie.

• 1:01:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:59Sean Fennessey?

  Um, what'd you think?

• 1:02:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I had a nice time. I mean, this, again,

• 1:02:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, I could have watched this at home, you know? It didn't, it looked, I appreciated that they filmed on location in Los Angeles.

• 1:02:14Sean Fennessey?

  They did.

• 1:02:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Speaking of location, including, you know, like at the line, at, you know, various LA landmarks. But it has a glossy Disney movie quality that would have been fine.

• 1:02:26Sean Fennessey?

  It was originally slated for Disney Plus? Was that the idea? Or was it always a theatrical film? I thought it was maybe a Disney Plus film that they converted.

• 1:02:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That they converted, but, you know, it has, at least looks-wise, that feel.

• 1:02:36Sean Fennessey?

  It does.

• 1:02:37Amanda Dobbins?

  But, um, you know, I, I root for Lindsay Lohan.

• 1:02:39Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Always and forever.

• 1:02:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:02:41Amanda Dobbins?

  And-

• 1:02:41Sean Fennessey?

  The queen of Long Island.

• 1:02:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought she was very funny, and I liked that Manny Jacinto got to do Dirty Dancing, and-

• 1:02:49Sean Fennessey?

  Manny Jacinto is British?

• 1:02:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't know. Let's Google that right now. Manny Jacinto-

• 1:02:56Sean Fennessey?

  As far as I know, he is not British?

• 1:02:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Filipino-Canadian.

• 1:02:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:03:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's click through.

• 1:03:00Sean Fennessey?

  That is not British.

• 1:03:01Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true, uh, but did he possibly grow up somewhere, you know, because it's like where you go to school.

• 1:03:09Sean Fennessey?

  This is an interesting phenomenon.

• 1:03:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Is where you get the, the, um, he was raised in Richmond, British Columbia.

• 1:03:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that is not British.

• 1:03:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah, I know.

• 1:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  They don't have English accents in British Columbia. Um, I-

• 1:03:21Sean Fennessey?

  This is interesting because when British people are cast as Americans, or Australians cast as Americans, we say, oh, yeah, sure, makes sense.

• 1:03:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:03:29Sean Fennessey?

  Normal. Sometimes it sounds a little bit funny.

• 1:03:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:03:32Sean Fennessey?

  But we're always willing to go with the flow. When I was watching this.

• 1:03:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:03:37Sean Fennessey?

  All I could think when he was on screen is, what, is Manny Jacinto British?

• 1:03:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:03:41Sean Fennessey?

  And I don't know what is and is not a good British accent.

• 1:03:44Amanda Dobbins?

  So that was your entire experience of Freaker Friday?

• 1:03:47Sean Fennessey?

  I echo your feelings about Lindsay Lohan.

• 1:03:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know, we're like the same age. We grew, I grew up 10 minutes from her. I have always wanted success for her. She obviously is like incredibly talented and then spent 10 years in the wilderness. People legit worried about her. In this movie, I was like, oh, it's like nothing happened.

• 1:04:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:04:05Sean Fennessey?

  She's like exactly the same on screen, her performance style, her sense of humor, like how she can kind of hold a movie together.

• 1:04:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's weird. It's weird that like she just came back and everything's fine. It's great.

• 1:04:14Amanda Dobbins?

  It's great. I'm happy for her.

• 1:04:16Sean Fennessey?

  And this is a fun movie. This is a movie that when I was watching it, I was like, I wish my daughter was six years older because this would be such a fun thing to take her to. This is exactly the kind of thing I know she's gonna love. Just know, just knowing her sense of humor, she's gonna be all into this. It felt weird to be a 40-year-old man sitting in a movie theater alone watching this.

• 1:04:33Sean Fennessey?

  I'm happy for Julia Butters.

• 1:04:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Sean Fennessey?

  She's, she's, she's making a career.

• 1:04:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So I've learned that Sophia Hammonds, who plays Lily.

• 1:04:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:04:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Manny Jacinto's British daughter is also American.

• 1:04:44Sean Fennessey?

  That's, so that's weird.

• 1:04:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And so an early life, again, this is Wikipedia. So Hammonds was born in South Pasadena, California, and moved to Boulder, Colorado at the age of six.

• 1:04:53Sean Fennessey?

  And they don't have British accents there.

• 1:04:55Amanda Dobbins?

  They were not schooled in a place where there are British accents.

• 1:04:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's the funny thing.

• 1:05:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Best of mine research on Wikipedia.

• 1:05:02Sean Fennessey?

  Because the movie, you know, hinges on this tension between this British family that has left their home country and then has become a blended family with Lindsay Lohan's family and her daughter played by Julia Butters.

• 1:05:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:05:14Sean Fennessey?

  And it's sort of this idea of like, I don't want to be here and I miss my mom.

• 1:05:17Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, it could have been New York. And that would have had absolutely no material plot difference.

• 1:05:22Sean Fennessey?

  Or you could have cast British actors. And there are a lot of them in LA. It's not like they had to fly them in.

• 1:05:27Amanda Dobbins?

  But I, you know, I thought Manny Jacinto and Sophia Hammonds were both. Like, very good?

• 1:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  They were good. I don't know why this, I tripped on this. It's just because I'm like, I know Manny Jacinto from The Good Place. That's not what he sounds like.

• 1:05:37Amanda Dobbins?

  But so then, here's another thing. Spoiler alert!

• 1:05:39Sean Fennessey?

  This is a dumb thi- I'm not complaining about this.

• 1:05:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Spoiler alert? Spoiler alert. Uh, some of the characters switch bodies.

• 1:05:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they do. A number of them, which is revealed in the trailer.

• 1:05:48Amanda Dobbins?

  So at some point, you have, um, Jamie Lee Curtis trying to do like the fake British accent-

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:05:58Amanda Dobbins?

  -as the teenager, which, so like, maybe they did it just for that comedy. They give her a lot of comedy. When she is examining what her face looks like now, um-

• 1:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  Let me ask you a question.

• 1:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:08Sean Fennessey?

  Where are you at on Jamie Lee Curtis in 2025?

• 1:06:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So, like, oh, I, you know, I did see the L M K trailer before this, uh, this screening.

• 1:06:18Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. What'd you think of that?

• 1:06:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And I, I was, well, I'm nervous, Sean. I'll tell you. I'm nervous.

• 1:06:23Sean Fennessey?

  I am as well.

• 1:06:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and I, I, what I think about Jamie Lee Curtis is that this might wind up being my favorite performance of the three Jamie Lee Curtis performances that I took in, in 2025.

• 1:06:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:06:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, assuming-

• 1:06:36Sean Fennessey?

  Including The Last Showgirl, you're saying?

• 1:06:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that was 2024. I'm talking about The Bear.

• 1:06:42Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, The Bear, of course. Well, that's TV.

• 1:06:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Freaky Friday. Well, you know, but it's been integral to her reinvention.

• 1:06:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:48Amanda Dobbins?

  So, you know, she, she plays a ma- a mom with a lot going on, The Next Generation, and-

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  You know what else she plays?

• 1:06:57Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:06:58Sean Fennessey?

  Podcaster.

• 1:07:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right. That was funny. You know, li- life comes for us all.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, she's just, she's very present these days. Very noisy. She's won an Academy Award. I listened to her entire episode of WTF. Wild ride.

• 1:07:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  Wild ride.

• 1:07:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, wildlife.

• 1:07:15Sean Fennessey?

  She's a lot of person.

• 1:07:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Sean Fennessey?

  Just a tremendous amount of person.

• 1:07:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:07:18Sean Fennessey?

  I could, I could feel Marc Maron being overwhelmed by being in the room with her for 90 minutes. Anyway, always liked her. Um, in my youth, she was one of the hottest people I'd ever seen. Uh, Freaky Friday, I recommend it.

• 1:07:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I do too.

• 1:07:30Sean Fennessey?

  It was fun.

• 1:07:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Splitsville.

• 1:07:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:07:33Sean Fennessey?

  Now-

• 1:07:35Sean Fennessey?

  I'm of two minds about this movie.

• 1:07:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  So it's written and directed by Michelangelo Covino and Kyle Marvin. They were on this show some years ago for their film The Climb, which was about two buddies who were into cycling.

• 1:07:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Sean Fennessey?

  Who it's sort of a existential drama, sort of a comedy.

• 1:07:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:07:52Sean Fennessey?

  Slapstick, but with a lot of heart and depth. This movie, very much in the same vein, right? Very much an exploration of failed masculinity, but also like a funny movie about guys who trick hot women into being with them.

• 1:08:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Sean Fennessey?

  In this case, they have leveled up to cast Dakota Johnson and Adrian Arona.

• 1:08:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Who are, speaking of hot women, like in a very rare air.

• 1:08:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They are.

• 1:08:16Sean Fennessey?

  And these guys, who seem like lovely guys.

• 1:08:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Sean Fennessey?

  And very funny and talented.

• 1:08:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not bagging these two ladies.

• 1:08:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:08:23Sean Fennessey?

  And that is kind of part of the joke of the movie.

• 1:08:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It is.

• 1:08:27Sean Fennessey?

  But not explicitly.

• 1:08:29Amanda Dobbins?

  But it is, but like, it isn't, but.

• 1:08:32Sean Fennessey?

  We can come back to that if you want.

• 1:08:34Amanda Dobbins?

  The movie, one of the things that I like about this, that I liked about this movie, which I enjoyed, is like you are asking like, what is going on here? A lot, and not in the him sense of like, like, what is the story? And like, when is this gonna be over? Because I'm bored.

• 1:08:56Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But everything, you are involved enough in the characters to be like, okay, but like, why are you making these choices? Which is, you know, the point, this is, it's not a romantic comedy, but it is sort of a, it is riffing on the genre, for sure.

• 1:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think it's an exploration of long-term relationships and why they do or don't work.

• 1:09:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:18Sean Fennessey?

  You know, like, um, couple friends? Where we have couple friends? You know, we have a lot of couple friends. And like, the weird energy of couple friends. You know, especially in this case, like, when people are like, in love with their other friend's spouse and all the awkwardness that comes with that.

• 1:09:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:09:32Sean Fennessey?

  There's a lot of stuff in the movie that feels very like raw and natural.

• 1:09:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:09:37Sean Fennessey?

  And that's like, amounts to the filmmaking, right? Like, these guys are really good filmmakers and they make this feel like a very, um... Tactile world.

• 1:09:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  Like a realistic setting for a very silly movie.

• 1:09:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. And so then when either the characters or the situation gets like, the heat gets turned on, which it does, and I say this to the film's credit, that I thought it was over like, five different times because you're like, okay, so now we've concluded this social experiment. And they're like, no, no, no, we have more. And you're both like, wait, like, what? But also, I would like to know what happens.

• 1:10:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So, so the fact that it is Dakota Johnson and Adriana Arjona in this lends itself to, like, is another thing of like, okay, but you guys are like, really hot. So what are we doing?

• 1:10:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's almost distracting.

• 1:10:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Sean Fennessey?

  And it's distracting on purpose. Like, they know what they're doing.

• 1:10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Sean Fennessey?

  Right? It is, it is, to me, it is, I'm sure that they have talked about this. I haven't, I didn't talk to the guys for this movie because we were on vacation, but Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.

• 1:10:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  That movie, you know, Robert Culp and Ellie Gould are like handsome enough guys, but they're not Natalie Wood and Diane Cannon.

• 1:10:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:10:47Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and you're like, even watching that movie, you're like, wow, these are some really beautiful women with these guys who are like, you know, they're good looking guys, but this is a little distracting. But the same thing, that movie is about, obviously, like, couple swapping and attraction amongst friends and the complexity of social norms and relationships, all the same stuff. This movie is even sillier than that one and probably has like a little bit less to say socioculturally.

• 1:11:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:11:10Sean Fennessey?

  But it's really fun and is good and.

• 1:11:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And it has also, like, the little observations and the, like, the one-liners and, like, the settings that they put, you know, the various experiments are all like, very funny, well-observed. You know, there's like a very good Airbnb plotline at one point. You know, it's kind of like, oh, the things that you recognize and are not like, you know. Splitting the atom, but are well done and funny.

• 1:11:43Sean Fennessey?

  Another very funny, we were talking private schools and public schools offline. There's the whole private school thing here that is very real, you know, very recognizable. I recommend this movie. It's on VOD tomorrow.

• 1:11:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:55Sean Fennessey?

  So people can can watch it if it didn't come to their city when it came out because it got, you know, only semi-wide release, but.

• 1:12:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Sean Fennessey?

  Recommended. Yeah. Uh, okay, Megadoc.

• 1:12:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Sean Fennessey?

  Now, we talked about Megadoc a little bit when you got back, when you were still in Venice, actually, on our festival episode. This is the new documentary from Mike Figgis that is all about the making of Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Which was released, um, almost one year ago. I like, I think probably to the weekend.

• 1:12:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Uh, it might have been November.

• 1:12:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, it wasn't because it was before Si was born and Si's almost won. And that that was my last podcast.

• 1:12:33Sean Fennessey?

  It was September. It was post, post-fall festivals because it premiered at Cannes.

• 1:12:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and.

• 1:12:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe not accidental.

• 1:12:40Sean Fennessey?

  We were mixed down on Megalopolis, as much as we wanted to love that movie. Yeah, we were befuddled. I have yet to return to it. I have since acquired a Blu-ray copy.

• 1:12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:12:50Sean Fennessey?

  From Australia, courtesy of our friend Alex Ross Perry.

• 1:12:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:54Sean Fennessey?

  Who was in Australia and got me one, which was a very kind act.

• 1:12:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That is very nice.

• 1:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Um, so the Coppola shelf is complete, except for the film Jack. I don't own Jack.

• 1:13:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. What's holding you back?

• 1:13:03Sean Fennessey?

  No Blu-ray.

• 1:13:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:13:04Sean Fennessey?

  I own all the other films on Blu-ray.

• 1:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, and so it's like, do you think that there will be a Blu-ray of Jack released?

• 1:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there's not a good reason to release it on Blu-ray. It's not a film anybody really likes.

• 1:13:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:14Sean Fennessey?

  But, um, I'd like to own it just for my shelf. Anyhow, um, Megalopolis, I'd like to return to it.

• 1:13:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, it's the movie that, knowing myself, I'll find a million excuses for it the second time I watch it. Oh, actually this, oh, actually that, because that is something I like to do.

• 1:13:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And I think Megadoc is a, an incredible companion piece and, you know.

• 1:13:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Francis Ford Coppola invites Mike Figgis to make this documentary, which is, you know, just an incredible act of hubris, but also a gift to filmmaking history, I guess.

• 1:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's hubris and humility, right? It's like they're really in collision with each other because he's risking a lot, not just financially, but personally by showing himself, you know, at 80 years old, making this huge project and he's very confident in his vision.

• 1:14:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And Figgis has a lot of access and is there for a lot of the conflicts. And frankly, just a lot of, you watch all of these people, and primarily among them Francis Ford Coppola, trying to figure out what this movie is and how they want to make it and what it's supposed to look like. And how is he going to communicate what's been in his head for 40 or 50 years to everyone on set and then to everyone, like, you know, in the world who's going to see the film. And I felt better about my struggle to understand it, watching this. And it almost, I think if I watched Megalopolis now, having seen Megadoc, I would at least understand and know what to look for a bit more.

• 1:14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And so in some ways, it is a great guide and is, you know, a stroke of genius by Coppola to have this made and made with a real filmmaker. So that, you know, maybe it can help some people like on the journey to understand what the hell's going on.

• 1:15:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's as raw a making of as you will ever see, in part because it consistently shows not just conflict, but failure. And there are two things that I think really recommend the movie for me personally. One is this kind of crisis over the production design and visual effects, which you just never see in a movie like this. And this is something like Coppola's vision was so bold and specific, but unachievable, which is of course like a signature of his entire career. He's always reaching for something that we have not yet developed. And so he's always trying to put things in his movies in physical production that can't be accomplished. And we watch a production designer, a very accomplished production designer, leave this project, quit, get fired, whatever, it's unclear. But because she's just like, this is not how we do this.

• 1:15:50Sean Fennessey?

  I don't feel comfortable pursuing it in this way. She wanted a deeper reliance on visual effects. Coppola did not. He wanted things in camera. And that is, that stuff is fascinating, at least for me personally. And then the second thing is Shia LaBeouf. Very controversial person, person who's been at the center of a lot of scandal in the last five or 10 years.

• 1:16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Which he acknowledges at, you know, at length in the film.

• 1:16:11Sean Fennessey?

  Very much. Clearly someone who's got a lot of problems and is trying to work through them. Wildly gifted actor.

• 1:16:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  Wildly gifted. And even in Megalopolis, he's kind of all over the place at times, but he's just got a lightning bolt inside of him. You see him in, on set, challenging Coppola over and over and over again. And on the one hand, he's so goddamn annoying.

• 1:16:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  And he's pissing Francis Ford Coppola off so much. And you can't always figure out even specifically what it is that Shia wants. However, because Coppola has, doesn't really have his arms around this movie.

• 1:16:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Sean Fennessey?

  It's like Shia has located a vulnerability and is like attacking it. And he seems like a rude dick and you're like, this guy's 80 years old and is a genius and he made The Godfather. But also you're like, yeah, this, something is-

• 1:16:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Your points are being made.

• 1:16:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:16:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly. And again, something you just never, ever see in movies like this.

• 1:17:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and you know, and it does have just like all like the stray moments of serendipity like that, that you catch in a documentary with, with this level of access. And as you pointed out, that, um, because Figgus is such an experienced filmmaker, he puts himself into the documentary at some point, which is usually like, you know, red alert disaster sign, but in this way, he is adding like his own perspective on the ground. I mean, he's, he's basically, he's doing journalism.

• 1:17:33Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 1:17:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And-

• 1:17:34Sean Fennessey?

  It's like Dear Diary journalism, where he's turning the camera on himself and saying like, okay, here's where I'm at. I'm trying to figure out where to go from here in the movie, which is actually quite interesting.

• 1:17:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, but you get like some amazing Dustin Hoffman moments. You get, you know, bits like Natalie Emanuel didn't want to be filmed eating, which I, I get it, um, having now done a taste test on camera, but also then that's like the only thing, she is like otherwise absent from the doc and, and I, you know, I, I didn't think her performance worked in Megalopolis. And I was like, oh, you know, you can see this all coming together in real time. So I, I loved this movie. I think anyone who has listened to this far- Into this episode of the show, will love Megadoc.

• 1:18:17Sean Fennessey?

  I totally agree. There's one other thing that is very cool about it, which you might have mentioned when you were in Venice, was showing the previous iterations of this film that

• 1:18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:18:26Sean Fennessey?

  Coppola was trying to mount.

• 1:18:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Sean Fennessey?

  Another version of the movie where Ryan Gosling was portraying the Shia LaBeouf character, which would have been so fascinating and so different. And there are, there are a series of it. There's a James Franco version, right? Like, what were the other, what were the other versions?

• 1:18:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think Virginia Madsen is in it.

• 1:18:42Sean Fennessey?

  Virginia Madsen, yes.

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:43Sean Fennessey?

  And she was in, was she in the Natalie, the Natalie Emanuel role? No, she was in the Aubrey Plaza role.

• 1:18:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:18:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Aubrey Plaza is also just, it's an Aubrey Plaza experience in this documentary.

• 1:18:54Sean Fennessey?

  Very fun and funny, yeah.

• 1:18:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Those are kind of better than

• 1:18:57Sean Fennessey?

  The Gosling stuff is awesome.

• 1:18:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Awesome.

• 1:18:59Sean Fennessey?

  It would, that would have been really, really cool to see him plugged into that movie. At that, especially at that time of his career, it's kind of like, when is that? Like, Half Nelson, Murder by Numbers?

• 1:19:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. I think it's like early 2000s.

• 1:19:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. Like, and that time, he was such a live wire as an actor.

• 1:19:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Sean Fennessey?

  Anyway, I totally agree with you. If you love movies and you're interested in behind the scenes movies, this is as cool as they get.

• 1:19:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Thursday Murder Club.

• 1:19:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:22Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't seen this movie.

• 1:19:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I have seen it.

• 1:19:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I've also read every installment of the series on which it is based. I'm reading the new Richard Osman Thursday Murder Club book right now. I think it's probably

• 1:19:35Sean Fennessey?

  I would have watched this if I knew this was such a thing for you.

• 1:19:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So, Richard Osman is a UK, I mean, like actor, TV personality, writer, and he started writing these books probably like five or six years ago. And they are typically, you know, they're like, you would call them cozy mysteries. And it is about a group of retirees at a retirement home in the UK who become friends because they like solving initially cold cases and then murders.

• 1:20:07Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:20:07Amanda Dobbins?

  And it, if that sounds, you know, ridiculous and it kind of is, but he writes, he's a great writer. He's very funny. If you are like an Anglophile, if you've seen every episode of Downton Abbey and also read murder mysteries, there is something very, you know, cozy, comforting, but also like amusing about them. I think he writes, he just like writes about old people, like really like lovingly and like the, you know, like there's Like, there's life to live after 70 or even 80. And it's so I the the books are are very well done. I recommend them. If that's your bag. The movie stars Helen Mirren, Pierce Brosnan, Ben Kingsley, and Celia Emery, AKA Una Alkenberry

• 1:20:51Amanda Dobbins?

  from the Bridget Jones movies.

• 1:20:53Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:20:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And, you know, and then just a murderers row of supporting cast. I was disappointed.

• 1:21:00Sean Fennessey?

  Damn.

• 1:21:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, here's the thing.

• 1:21:03Sean Fennessey?

  Directed by Chris Columbus.

• 1:21:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Directed by Chris Columbus. There were two things here, which is it it just becomes more because it's a movie. It becomes more of a like solving a mystery as opposed to, you know, about these four people. And so you you lose like a lot of the buddy, the chemistry and and like and the charm, essentially, even though all of those people are charming. I would argue that Pierce Brosnan is miscast as a like former like minor strike, like, you know, union leader.

• 1:21:38Sean Fennessey?

  Little too dashing.

• 1:21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But but that's OK.

• 1:21:41Sean Fennessey?

  I've just learned he's 72, though, so he is age appropriate.

• 1:21:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, everyone's age appropriate. Helen Mirren is playing Elizabeth, who's like the ex MI5 or MI6 spy who saw things. But I don't know. The other thing, and not to, you know, not to harp on my location point, but they're all very nice apartments at the retirement home. I will say that this series like is maybe like overpromising on what awaits all of us at retirement homes because it seems like life's really great. But it's all sets and, you know, I like I expect a little like Broadchurch or, you know, like, you got to be on location. Like, I'm I'm if I'm signing up for this British thing, you got to be in the countryside a little, you got to go places, and it's very on set.

• 1:22:29Amanda Dobbins?

  So that was the other part that was disappointing to me.

• 1:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I guess we should say this is on Netflix, right?

• 1:22:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Sean Fennessey?

  So maybe that's why.

• 1:22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I'm sorry for you.

• 1:22:37Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 1:22:37Sean Fennessey?

  I had no idea you were such a big fan of this, this series.

• 1:22:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, yeah, they send me the galleys every year.

• 1:22:42Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:22:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you, Christina.

• 1:22:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no, I, I love them. I carried this, like, I carried this to Europe so that I could read it.

• 1:22:49Sean Fennessey?

  Prep for the, prep for the movie?

• 1:22:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No, just because I wanted to read the book.

• 1:22:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, great.

• 1:22:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I like these books a lot.

• 1:22:54Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'll never watch this.

• 1:22:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Next up for me is the new Ian McEwan novel. I heard that he wrote a good book for the first time in 25 years.

• 1:23:00Sean Fennessey?

  Was Atonement his last good book?

• 1:23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I don't remember, like, when Saturday and all of those came out. But yeah, it's, it's, it's been 20 years.

• 1:23:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:23:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Atonement.

• 1:23:08Sean Fennessey?

  Shots fired at Ian McEwan in hour two of The Big Picture.

• 1:23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Apparently it's good again, so I'm ready.

• 1:23:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:23:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:23:15Sean Fennessey?

  When are you, uh, joining Dua Lipa's book pod?

• 1:23:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Whenever she will have me. Happy 30th birthday, Dua Lipa. You look great. I would love to have one of your Pilates reformers.

• 1:23:24Sean Fennessey?

  Listening to this podcast.

• 1:23:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you remember one time when Dua Lipa reblogged something? It was like some Spotify podcast thing? And so it was like her podcast and our podcast were on the same page. And so we were on Dua Lipa's Instagram.

• 1:23:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:23:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And that-

• 1:23:41Sean Fennessey?

  I can't name one Dua Lipa song.

• 1:23:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure you can. She should be an Oscar winner for Dance the Night Away.

• 1:23:46Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Dua Lipa should have an Oscar, okay?

• 1:23:48Sean Fennessey?

  Did she write that?

• 1:23:50Amanda Dobbins?

  With Mark Ronson, of course.

• 1:23:51Sean Fennessey?

  Does she have a writing credit?

• 1:23:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I think so.

• 1:23:55Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'm not, I'm not questioning her.

• 1:23:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't, you don't need to say it like that, okay?

• 1:23:58Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just asking.

• 1:23:59Amanda Dobbins?

  She's got a book club. She just sold out Madison Square Garden for four nights. She has a Pilates sponsorship where you can have a reformer at home.

• 1:24:06Sean Fennessey?

  I, I just want to share this with you.

• 1:24:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Sean Fennessey?

  Dua Lipa is not going to fuck you.

• 1:24:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Sean Fennessey?

  So you can just tone it down.

• 1:24:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, she's doing great.

• 1:24:15Amanda Dobbins?

  She's really, really-

• 1:24:16Sean Fennessey?

  She doesn't need you defending her or me.

• 1:24:17Amanda Dobbins?

  She's really beautiful.

• 1:24:18Sean Fennessey?

  A man who doesn't care.

• 1:24:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 1:24:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, you know.

• 1:24:20Sean Fennessey?

  She's beautiful, of course, of course.

• 1:24:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and she should have an Oscar.

• 1:24:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:24:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And why were we talking about her?

• 1:24:26Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, because she has a book club.

• 1:24:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:29Sean Fennessey?

  And I was, you know, she has, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:24:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You've got a whole podcast. Yeah, but she reads far more challenging books than I do.

• 1:24:34Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:24:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And they always sound really depressing. Um, and apparently like her book events are great, but like I, like I said, I'm reading Cozy Mysteries.

• 1:24:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:24:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Um- And Ian McEwan novels.

• 1:24:44Sean Fennessey?

  Are you aware of the plot of the film Eden?

• 1:24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no. I think I was at one point, but then I forgot.

• 1:24:54Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:24:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I know it's Ron Howard's film.

• 1:24:56Sean Fennessey?

  This is Ron Howard's film. It premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival last year. It was an independent production that did not have a studio. And it was ultimately distributed by Vertical.

• 1:25:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:07Sean Fennessey?

  Not, not really the news you wanna hear.

• 1:25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:11Sean Fennessey?

  When you have a Ron Howard movie starring Sydney Sweeney, Ana de Armas, Jude Law, and Vanessa Kirby. This movie is based on a true story about a bunch of disillusioned Europeans who go to a remote island in the Galapagos and try to restart society. I think in part because they see the advent of fascism.

• 1:25:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:33Sean Fennessey?

  In the late 1920s, essentially. And it becomes kind of-

• 1:25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it's like a period piece.

• 1:25:38Sean Fennessey?

  A period piece.

• 1:25:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It's 100 years ago.

• 1:25:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's like a Lord of the Flies style.

• 1:25:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:25:42Sean Fennessey?

  Movie about these people from disparate worlds. Like a Baroness and a doc, like a crackpot doctor. And two settler, like intellectual settlers. And it is the weirdest movie I've seen in the longest time. It's not a bad movie.

• 1:25:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Weird good or weird bad or just like-

• 1:25:59Sean Fennessey?

  Kinda neither.

• 1:26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know what to do with this.

• 1:26:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's more or less negligible.

• 1:26:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's a fascinating little dot on the roadmap of the careers of the stars of this movie.

• 1:26:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:09Sean Fennessey?

  For Jude Law, you'd be like, yeah, sure. Jude Law, late career Jude Law, doing a movie with Ron Howard, period piece. Totally makes sense on paper.

• 1:26:17Sean Fennessey?

  Ana de Armas and Sydney Sweeney in this movie, neither of whom are bad per se. Ana de Armas is very campy, very over the top in the movie, but super entertaining. And Sydney Sweeney, who's like kinda dressed down, not at all like the babe of the movie. She's very much, she's Daniel Bruhl's wife. And she gives birth in this like very dramatic birth scene where she's fighting off wild dogs. I'm not kidding. It's like a weird-

• 1:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Are the dogs real or CGI?

• 1:26:41Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember. I think CGI.

• 1:26:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Sean Fennessey?

  Cause she's like beating them off with a broom handle.

• 1:26:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It's an epidemic. It's an epidemic. Yeah.

• 1:26:47Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:26:49Sean Fennessey?

  Anyway, I don't, I don't, I kinda don't know what to say.

• 1:26:52Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:26:52Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not mad that I watched it.

• 1:26:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Happy ending?

• 1:26:56Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, certainly not. Um, it is Lord of the Flies after all. Um, it's just, it's a what's it? It's a, it's a, how did this happen? It's a, you know, this is like a $60 million movie movie. It's a Hollywood movie. It's kinda what we were talking about earlier with The Big Bold Beautiful Journey. Like, these are some super famous people. The filmmaking is fine.

• 1:27:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:14Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's a definitely a different stripe of tone for Ron Howard.

• 1:27:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I was just Googling the Apollo 13 re-release. I missed it.

• 1:27:22Sean Fennessey?

  You did.

• 1:27:22Amanda Dobbins?

  It was this weekend.

• 1:27:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah. You thought you were supporting Bring It On.

• 1:27:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:27Sean Fennessey?

  Bring It On and Singing in the Rain. You went to two rep screenings in one weekend.

• 1:27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Bring It On, Singing in the Rain, and Apollo 13, three, like, formative movies for, for Amanda's, you know, film experience.

• 1:27:38Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 1:27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So, I love you Apollo 13. Still not a rewatchables.

• 1:27:43Sean Fennessey?

  Ron Howard, let's do the last 10 years.

• 1:27:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:27:45Sean Fennessey?

  In the Heart of the Sea, 2015.

• 1:27:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Sean Fennessey?

  Not great.

• 1:27:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that what inspired, though, The Sea is Dope?

• 1:27:51Sean Fennessey?

  No, that was, um, that was a different film, I think, called The Black Sea?

• 1:27:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, it was two, it was two.

• 1:28:00Sean Fennessey?

  There were two trailers, but I don't think In the Heart of the Sea.

• 1:28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  The Sea is dope. Let's do it right now.

• 1:28:05Sean Fennessey?

  Is it the first return or the Grandland search results so plummeted?

• 1:28:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, it is. Um, okay, let's see. Black Sea, you're right.

• 1:28:13Sean Fennessey?

  The Black Sea, yeah.

• 1:28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And then In the Heart of the Sea. Yeah, I was right. There you go.

• 1:28:17Sean Fennessey?

  We were both right.

• 1:28:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, this sweater that's in this post is really good.

• 1:28:22Sean Fennessey?

  What is, what sweater?

• 1:28:23Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like, it's a fisherman, like a donavel.

• 1:28:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, sure. We're referring to Chris Ryan's legendary 10-year-old blog post on Grandland.com.

• 1:28:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Which, oh shit, we missed the 10th anniversary of it.

• 1:28:32Sean Fennessey?

  Of The Sea is Dope.

• 1:28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, October 21st, 2014.

• 1:28:35Sean Fennessey?

  The Sea is Dope called Met in My Basement.

• 1:28:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Always.

• 1:28:38Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, In the Heart of the Sea, Inferno, the third film in the, um, Robert Langdon trilogy.

• 1:28:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I don't think I ever saw that one. I read the book, though, I think.

• 1:28:46Sean Fennessey?

  Solo, a Star Wars story?

• 1:28:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I love an airport novel.

• 1:28:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, Hillbilly Elegy.

• 1:28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Sean Fennessey?

  Watched that on Election Day.

• 1:28:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53Sean Fennessey?

  Joe Biden won that day. Uh, 13 Lives, pretty good.

• 1:28:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I never saw it.

• 1:28:58Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good. Uh, Eden.

• 1:29:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:00Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I was just referring to. He's also been directing documentaries, right? So he, like, he directed that Jim Henson documentary. That was pretty good. I enjoyed that. He was on the show for that, actually. I like Ron Howard. This is a weird thing. He's great on the studio.

• 1:29:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Wonderful.

• 1:29:14Sean Fennessey?

  Very funny on the studio.

• 1:29:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, speaking of later-stage what's-its. You didn't see Honey, Don't, right?

• 1:29:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't.

• 1:29:23Sean Fennessey?

  Man.

• 1:29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, I don't, I, that man could go in any directions.

• 1:29:29Sean Fennessey?

  This is the new film directed by Ethan Cohen, written by Cohen and his wife, Trisha Cook. Their second film after Drive Away Dolls a couple of years ago, which is the movie that you crashed my Valentine's Day date with my wife to see.

• 1:29:44Sean Fennessey?

  This film also stars Margaret Qualley, as well as Aubrey Plaza, Chris Evans, and Charlie Day. It's about a private investigator named Honey, who is exploring like this scandal around a church and its very vivacious pastor, played by Chris Evans.

• 1:30:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was a no.

• 1:30:04Sean Fennessey?

  I, I need Joel and Ethan to just get back together.

• 1:30:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, I agree.

• 1:30:07Sean Fennessey?

  I just need them to get back together.

• 1:30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, you could tell from the trailer. I didn't mind what that other one, what was it?

• 1:30:13Sean Fennessey?

  Drive Away Dolls.

• 1:30:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Drive Away Dolls.

• 1:30:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay.

• 1:30:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay, but your, I, one is enough, you know?

• 1:30:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And so you see the trailer for this one?

• 1:30:19Sean Fennessey?

  There's a trilogy. This is like supposed to be the second of three.

• 1:30:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Here is like, okay, like, that's...

• 1:30:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's great for Trisha Cook. She's exploring, you know, queer stories. These movies are very much about strong, smart women who are in charge and really love sex. You know, on paper, absolutely. Dig that. The movie just, script is not good, tone doesn't work, performances are weird. It's not, it's such a drag. This movie also got dumped.

• 1:30:45Sean Fennessey?

  You know, they're doing the Coen Brothers right now on Blank Check. I've been listening.

• 1:30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:49Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's great, been a great season so far. Coen Brothers, as you know, huge deal for me personally. I, they gotta make at least one more movie together. And there's a rumor that they were making a horror movie together next year. I don't know if that rumor's true.

• 1:31:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:03Sean Fennessey?

  I hope it's true, but, uh...

• 1:31:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't have any say in the matter, but I support you.

• 1:31:07Sean Fennessey?

  No more Honey, Don't.

• 1:31:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree with this.

• 1:31:09Sean Fennessey?

  No more Honey, Don't.

• 1:31:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:10Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just gonna go right to Predators. This'll be the last movie we talk about. I saw this movie at Sundance. I think people should check it out. It just opened in theaters. It's a documentary.

• 1:31:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so it has nothing to do with the Predator franchise?

• 1:31:20Sean Fennessey?

  It has nothing to do with the Predator franchise. It is a very serious... Probing

• 1:31:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:25Sean Fennessey?

  upsetting documentary about the show To Catch a Predator. What that show was in our society, how it existed. Did you ever watch To Catch a Predator?

• 1:31:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know if I ever sat down on like a Friday night, which is when it was on, right? That's when all those news magazine shows.

• 1:31:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 1:31:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 1:31:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I was on, I was on TJF on the other channel, but

• 1:31:46Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it looms large in the cultural consciousness.

• 1:31:50Sean Fennessey?

  Well past our adolescence. Um, it was a show where it was sort of like a, it was candid camera for capturing child predators.

• 1:31:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Sean Fennessey?

  That was really what the show did. It was trying to, it set up sting operations and lured people who were trying to seduce underage kids. And there was like a sick glee that I think the audience got out of watching these people, these really disturbed people get ensnared

• 1:32:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:12Sean Fennessey?

  by the host of the show and the producers of the show and the law enforcement that worked in tandem with them. And then kind of the aftermath, the documentary is like very much sociological exploration of what it meant that we put the show on in our society. We celebrated it the way that we did, why it went away and the way that it did. What role the host and the producers played in it, and then the personal ramifications of the people in the stories. Particularly interesting in the documentary is the young actors who portrayed underage kids who were part of the setups and like why they were cast and what their roles were. Anyway, this is a very unusual, but very cool exploration of something that is like very upsetting in our culture, but really, really, really well done.

• 1:32:56Sean Fennessey?

  And I hope finds a big audience. David Oset is the director and it's a, it's a, it's a good doc. Okay, so this, this right now is the demarcation point.

• 1:33:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Sean Fennessey?

  So we have, we're, we're, it's September 22nd.

• 1:33:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  On Wednesday.

• 1:33:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:33:16Sean Fennessey?

  We're, we're doing one more 25 for 25 episode.

• 1:33:20Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 1:33:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's a really, really good one.

• 1:33:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and it's well timed.

• 1:33:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's perfectly timed. And then Friday, technically Thursday night is one battle after another.

• 1:33:28Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 1:33:29Sean Fennessey?

  And then we have two, three straight months.

• 1:33:33Sean Fennessey?

  Of more or less good movies on the show being covered.

• 1:33:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:37Sean Fennessey?

  Not everything is great.

• 1:33:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:33:40Sean Fennessey?

  But it's a lot of good stuff. And I'm relieved.

• 1:33:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, though it was, it's was fun going through like 45 weird movies.

• 1:33:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's great to pod, always great to pod with you.

• 1:33:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Sean Fennessey?

  But this felt like the end of a certain stage of the year.

• 1:33:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's PTA season. It had already started, but now it really starts and.

• 1:34:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And everyone's going to get to see it this week and I did get a ticket.

• 1:34:04Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, good for Wednesday.

• 1:34:05Amanda Dobbins?

  For Wednesday, our friend Corey came through for me.

• 1:34:07Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, incredible.

• 1:34:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:34:09Sean Fennessey?

  I think, I think our seats suck. You probably have better seats than we do.

• 1:34:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I'm quite excited.

• 1:34:13Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, fantastic.

• 1:34:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and I think I have childcare, so.

• 1:34:17Sean Fennessey?

  Amazing, I can't wait to see it again.

• 1:34:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:34:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm also seeing it again on Friday, so.

• 1:34:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, at the Vista.

• 1:34:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, at the Vista.

• 1:34:23Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fun.

• 1:34:23Sean Fennessey?

  So, yeah, it's PTA season. We'll get there very soon, in just a couple of days. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thank you, Jack, everything good? How the Mets doing?

• 1:34:32Speaker 05

  Really good.

• 1:34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Guys, what's going on?

• 1:34:34Speaker 05

  I don't want to talk about it.

• 1:34:36Sean Fennessey?

  I'll, I'll talk about it.

• 1:34:37Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really.

• 1:34:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's a fucking disaster.

• 1:34:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 1:34:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's a fucking embarrassment.

• 1:34:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:34:42Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not kidding.

• 1:34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I know, I, I mean, I know.

• 1:34:45Sean Fennessey?

  Not kidding.

• 1:34:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God. Okay.

• 1:34:47Sean Fennessey?

  It is not okay. It's not acceptable. It's not good.

• 1:34:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So they just fell apart?

• 1:34:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're not going to make the playoffs?

• 1:34:57Sean Fennessey?

  At the moment, they're not in the playoffs.

• 1:34:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:34:59Sean Fennessey?

  There are six games left to play on the road.

• 1:35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:35:02Sean Fennessey?

  Three games against the Cubs, three games against the Marlins.

• 1:35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  What has to happen?

• 1:35:06Sean Fennessey?

  I expect nothing less than one in five in those six games.

• 1:35:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So like, but what happened?

• 1:35:12Sean Fennessey?

  They've been one of the five worst teams in baseball since June 13th. They've been horri-, they, they started the season 21 games over 500. And we were like, wow, I guess everything that happened last year, we're carrying it over. And they've been a disaster since then.

• 1:35:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But what, but what happened? Tell me.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  The pitching is just a disaster.

• 1:35:27Sean Fennessey?

  They've had a tremendous number of injuries to the pitching and also the strategy heading into the season around the pitching was very bad.

• 1:35:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:33Sean Fennessey?

  And it's the rare case. And I, I say this with hopefully some sense of self-awareness where most fans were like, is this really what they're doing? This can't be right going into the season. Like, this can't be how we're gonna try to make it through the year. And we were told, no, no, no, we got a plan. This is a good plan. And every fan who was concerned about this particular issue was right. And it's hard to watch that because baseball's so long. The season's so long.

• 1:36:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It is. Yeah.

• 1:36:02Sean Fennessey?

  So to just be sitting inside a failure for three months just sucks.

• 1:36:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's the most miserable part is until late June, they were like the best team in baseball. They had the best record in baseball. They were playing amazing baseball. And for it to just, they've just slowly bled out for three months. And that is, it's been very painful.

• 1:36:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Is there any scenario in which they do still get a wild card spot?

• 1:36:24Speaker 05

  There is a scenario. It's definitely in play. It's pretty much a coin flip right now. Them and the Reds are tied. The Reds own the tiebreaker. There's six games left for both teams. The Mets need to win one more game than the Reds over these next six games.

• 1:36:36Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:36:36Sean Fennessey?

  That is the situation.

• 1:36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:38Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you guys still going to be checking obsessively?

• 1:36:41Sean Fennessey?

  I've already been called for an emergency Mets corner on the Zach Lowe show.

• 1:36:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:46Sean Fennessey?

  And he said, we should drink on the show.

• 1:36:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:48Sean Fennessey?

  So that's where Zach's head is at.

• 1:36:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Great. All right. Well, that's a healthy place to be.

• 1:36:51Sean Fennessey?

  And he's, he's only just returned to rooting for this team in the last 12 months.

• 1:36:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where was he before?

• 1:36:57Sean Fennessey?

  He took like 10 years, 20 years off in the team.

• 1:36:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, for his health.

• 1:36:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, well, I mean, for a variety of reasons. But yeah, but now he's, he's got his daughter. He's got a young daughter and she's all into the Mets.

• 1:37:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's tough. I always saw that they met, they met Mr. Met. Yeah, that would be exciting.

• 1:37:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think she's having a great time, but she's, she is experiencing at a young age, this thing that I have been living with my entire life.

• 1:37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's not right. It's not right. It's not okay.

• 1:37:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I did watch the Phillies Mets series, so.

• 1:37:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I can't get too upset about that because it's like we kicked our ass in the playoffs last year.

• 1:37:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:26Sean Fennessey?

  We kind of owned them this year until that last series. That wasn't good, but like the Phillies are good. I don't, I don't, I got no beef with the Phillies, honestly. Like, it's the Mets organizationally are fucked up. And it was supposed to not be this way because of the new ownership. It was supposed to be different and it's not. This is embarrassing.

• 1:37:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:41Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm not going to let it stand. I don't do this on Zach's show because that's his show. This is my show.

• 1:37:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:47Sean Fennessey?

  This is fucking bullshit.

• 1:37:48Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:37:48Sean Fennessey?

  What's happening with the team. There needs to be some sort of apology to the fandom. It's fucking disastrous.

• 1:37:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I got it out.

• 1:37:57Amanda Dobbins?

  There needs to be an apology.

• 1:37:59Sean Fennessey?

  There does.

• 1:38:00Amanda Dobbins?

  What form would that take that would satisfy you?

• 1:38:02Sean Fennessey?

  Come to my home, Steve Cohen and David Sterns.

• 1:38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:08Sean Fennessey?

  Who constructed this monstrosity.

• 1:38:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:10Sean Fennessey?

  Who ruined my summer.

• 1:38:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 1:38:13Sean Fennessey?

  And say, I'd like to begin by saying I'm sorry. And then after that, it'll be dealer's choice. Whatever they can do to make it right, fine.

• 1:38:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:20Sean Fennessey?

  Rebuild the team in the offseason. Offer me lovely snacks.

• 1:38:24Amanda Dobbins?

  This is honestly like a great social media bit for the Mets. If like, they just get like a really big, you know, one of the publisher's clearinghouse checks. But instead of that, it just says like, I'm sorry. And they just show up at people's houses, just like that. It's just some free programming for you guys in the offseason.

• 1:38:41Sean Fennessey?

  Again, I never do this. This is bullshit.

• 1:38:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. You know how I want one of those I'm mad signs? You know, a newspaper with I'm mad?

• 1:38:49Sean Fennessey?

  Put in the fucking paper that I'm mad.

• 1:38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No, yeah, you are mad. Okay, that's fine. Listen, I support you on this. Every time we turn the Mets on, Knox asks where Sean is because one time I told him that you are at a game. And maybe we could see him.

• 1:39:02Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, look, Knox, he's pure good.

• 1:39:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:05Sean Fennessey?

  The Mets are pure evil.

• 1:39:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:39:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's just how it goes. That's what it is in 2025. I'm sorry, Jack.

• 1:39:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:39:11Sean Fennessey?

  I apologize. Uh, well, thanks for listening to this show, which has been very normal. And we'll see you on Wednesday for another 25 for 25.

• 1:39:38Speaker 06

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  And sharper than ever. Things are gonna get messy. But if I can't believe in myself, I can't believe in anything. Dexter Resurrection. New season now streaming on the Paramount Plus Premium Plan.