163. Reddit Scary Stories: Djinn, Doppelgängers, and Imaginary Friends (feat. Two Girls One Ghost)

A face drawn in the fog of a bathroom mirror that looks exactly like you. A husband standing in the doorway who doesn't speak, doesn't move — and swears he was never there. From djinn that fall in love through reflections to entities that mimic the people you trust most, these Reddit stories blur the line between what's familiar and what's something else entirely. Find Two Girls One Ghost Here! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtIdIQPeFulME3T_28ipIYw Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4aFNuODLKP1NvhQb7P3Kbn Subscribe on⁠ Patreon⁠ https://www.patreon.com/heartstartspounding to become a member of our Rogue Detecting Society and enjoy ad-free listening, monthly bonus content, merch discounts and more. Members of our High Council on Patreon also have access to our weekly after-show, Footnotes, where I share my case file with our producer, Matt. You can also enjoy many of these same perks, including ad-free listening and bonus content when you subscribe on Apple Podcasts . Follow on⁠ Tik Tok⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@heartstartspounding?lang=en and⁠ Instagram⁠ https://www.instagram.com/heartstartspounding/ for a daily dose of horror.

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• 1:00Kaelyn Moore?

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  who's been wanting to clean up their routine. Use code HSP to get 15% off your Primally Pure purchase. That's www.p-r-i-m-a-l-l-y-p-u-r-e.com and use code HSP at checkout for 15% off your order. Welcome back to another episode of Heart Sides Pounding. It's me, hello, your host, Kaelyn Moore. Today, I have a treat for you guys because I had some friends come join me here at the RDS headquarters. The last time I hung out with Sabrina and Corinne, we stayed at the most haunted Airbnb in Salem, Massachusetts. I hope you guys have watched that episode. I'm going to link it in the description. But today, we wanted to read through some of the scariest ghost stories that we've found recently during our research for some of

• 2:29Kaelyn Moore?

  our other episodes. You can check out Sabrina and Corinne on their podcast, Two Girls, One Ghost, or on the new crime house show Crimes of. And quickly, before we get back into it, if you're interested in joining in on our book club chat to talk about Riley Sager's The Only One Left, we're going to be meeting on February 27th at 12:00 PM Pacific. To join, you can sign up for any tier on Patreon. That's including the free tier and join our live chat. This book is awesome, you guys. I can tell you right now, I'm really enjoying this book. I'm so glad this was the pick. What happens when an end of life caregiver works with a woman who is ready to tell the real story of what happened to her family, who everyone believes she killed all those years ago? Our dear listener Samantha is going to help us out with the chat, so a huge

• 3:13Kaelyn Moore?

  thanks to her. But all right, for now, let's get into these stories with Sabrina and Corinne. Sabrina and Corinne, welcome back to Heart Sides Pounding. Thank you.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  We're so excited to be here.

• 3:25Kaelyn Moore?

  I know, this is the best. I am a little bummed that we're not doing it inside of a haunted house this time. I don't know, everyone listening, last year when we did our collaboration episode, we rented like truly the most haunted Airbnb in all of Salem, Massachusetts.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:40Kaelyn Moore?

  And had a ghost hunt and made contact with a ghost.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  And solved a mystery.

• 3:45Kaelyn Moore?

  And solved a mystery. Yes, there was, that was so fun. That was probably the most fun I had recording an episode last year. I know.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  That was wild. I think about that all the time. I truly could go do investigations all day, every day. It's my favorite thing in the world. We've gone back to the mansion a few times since then, but like, nothing like what we experienced with you.

• 4:04Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Have you done any other haunted locations for episodes this year? We went to the Witchboard Museum this year.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  That was right after, I think that was right after we did the investigation with you, Caitlin.

• 4:16Kaelyn Moore?

  What's that one, the witch board?

• 4:18Speaker 02

  So it's in Salem, it's this, it's a shop that you can go into, but it's really a museum, but it's this guy who has collected like thousands of Ouija boards. And this is just like a portion of his collection.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  Like his personal collection.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all on display. You can walk in, there's a community Ouija board there.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Which we used.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  We did. We went overnight. We were the very first people to ever do an investigation there.

• 4:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  We used the community Ouija board that everyone else has touched. It was just, yeah, it was kind of spooky.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Believe it or not, it's like in the heart of Salem, it was pretty quiet. Like I feel like none of the boards themselves, if they were haunted, the entities didn't communicate with us. I feel like whatever was there.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  It was something passing through.

• 5:04Kaelyn Moore?

  I do know of one, one haunted board that he has at that museum. The one where, did you hear the story? I can't remember what the girl's name was. This was back in maybe the 1920s, where the mom and the daughter were playing. The board said to kill their dad. And so the mom convinced the daughter that she should kill her dad. And it was like this big legal question of like, was there something communicating with them telling them to do it? Or was the mom planting that idea?

• 5:32Speaker 02

  I don't remember which one this was.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  There is a like little framed placard about it.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  But he even said that that board has never caused him any problems.

• 5:46Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, so it sounds like mom was just planting the seed of an idea in the daughter's head to do it.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Or like sometimes people are haunted or like what they experience projects hauntings onto things. Like we learned this from our time with Dana and Greg Newkirk, who are some of the biggest researchers and collectors of haunted objects. And they said the majority of things that get sent to them, nothing ever happens at all. But put it back with the original owner, stuff starts happening. So it's, a lot of the hauntings can be just like projections of someone's own fears and energy and, and kind of like the spirit world's reaction to that. But you take the same haunted doll that's been walking around with a knife in the middle of the night and give it to someone else and that doll's super quiet.

• 6:29Kaelyn Moore?

  That kind of is a good transition into our stories because I think some of these stories that I have for us today borderline on, is the person haunted? Is the place haunted? What is the origin of this? Scary thing that's happening. So we all have stories that we're gonna read to each other. They're all very ghosty. Some of them are kind of rabbit holes. Like I have a story that I'm gonna read that kind of led me down this really spooky rabbit hole that I'm excited to share with you both. But I think we can just dive right in. Sabrina, do you want to start?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I totally do. Thank you. I love Reddit stories. Okay. This one is called, I'm worried about my daughter's imaginary friend. It was originally posted by HiddenUnderARock34 in Paranormal Encounters on March 5, 2021. Hello. I couldn't sleep, so I thought now would be a good time to post this. So I have an eight-year-old daughter who I will be calling Leanna for the sake of my child's privacy. I'm a single father, and it hasn't always been easy, but we've managed. Before the start of COVID, we had moved into a new house in northern Germany, which is close to my parents. Soon after we settled in, Leanna started to tell me about her new

• 7:46Speaker 03

  friend, quickly telling me only she could see him. I brushed it off, as she has always been creative. And since we were under lockdown, I thought, this is normal. Especially since one of my friend's sons also had an imaginary friend. But over the next few months, she would continue to tell me about him, how he would play with her once I put her to bed, and how he knew magic, and how his favorite color was blue. I started to get a little worried as she seemed to know a lot about this friend. And at first, I thought, maybe she just was missing her real friends and my parents. So I started to spend even more time with her, even doing my work hours beforehand, so I could spend the rest of the day with her.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  But she still kept talking about this friend. And everything changed two nights back. I had randomly woken up around 3:00 AM, and I could just feel something wasn't right. So I got up, and I went to check on my daughter, Leanna. She was sleeping in her bed. But her blanket was a little different than how I had left her. I figured she had just moved. But as I was leaving, just in the corner of my eye, I saw a figure in the window that looks out into the woods outside of our home. I stared at it for a good two minutes before it simply just disappeared.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  I really couldn't figure out what it was and some part of me was just thinking it was my eyes playing tricks on me. So the next day I asked her to draw me a picture of her friend. I don't know what came over me, but I really wanted to see if it was similar to what I saw. After 20 minutes or so, she gave me this drawing. I don't even know what to make of it, to be real with you. I sent it to my mom and the single dad group I'm in, and they all said it was scary as hell. I really don't know what to do at this point. I'm becoming worried for my child. I'm just hoping this is really in her mind, but I don't know anymore. Any suggestions or tips would be helpful, as I am also worried I'm overreacting. You want to look at the picture now or after?

• 9:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, so I'm gonna put the picture on the heart responding Instagram for anyone who's just listening to the audio, but why don't you guys open the photo, because I have it here and describe what you're seeing?

• 9:59Speaker 03

  It is of Leanna in a cute little green dress and green little heels, holding the hands, if you can even call them that. They look like a rake. Each hand looks like a full garden rake.

• 10:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, yeah, hands aside, let's look at those red eyes.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  It's red eyes, like jagged, sharp teeth with a red shirt, a yellow bandana, and purple pants.

• 10:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Kind of giving a little bit David Bowie.

• 10:32Kaelyn Moore?

  A little bit, yeah. David Bowie with claws. With claws, yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  I don't love it.

• 10:40Kaelyn Moore?

  No. Oh, my gosh. What would you do if you came home and Noah had drawn that? It was like, look at my new friend. Honestly, I might be delighted.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  I have a creepy kid.

• 10:54Kaelyn Moore?

  You can see ghosts, creepy kid, asking the annoying questions. If he was scared, I think I'd be, I'd be like very defensive and like gather all of my, my objects and things to banish this.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Crystals?

• 11:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Creature, but.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Well, this user does continue to share more information about the imaginary friend, which, once you hear it, you'll change your mind about Noah drawing this.

• 11:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Spoke too soon.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Okay. So, hidden under a rock 34 says.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  He only comes to play with Leona at night. Once I put her to bed. And he comes into her room, according to her. So I had a very serious conversation with her today as I'm very worried as I fully believe I saw something outside of her window. I just want some help from my daughter. She said his name is Witig. I did a little digging and it's an extremely old German name, which makes a little sense as we are from and live in northern Germany. But she has never been exposed to a name like that before. And I know no one in my family has that name. All of this started after we moved into our current home. So if anyone could help me, I would deeply appreciate it. I've been told my child might be sensitive herself,

• 12:09Speaker 03

  but I don't know much on these things. Also, he plays games with her. From what I can understand, it varies from playing with her toys to going outside and playing a game called Hidden. When I asked her what that was, she said it was a secret game and that I can't play it or it wouldn't be secret anymore.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  No, that is, that is not okay. That's like the number one thing as a parent, like no, other adults can never tell you a secret. You have to tell mom and dad.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:44Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, it is never appropriate for someone to say that they have a secret for you if you're a child.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Never.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Oh, my gosh.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  And what is Hidden?

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Well, and they're, they're playing games outside, but he only comes to her at night. So she's leaving her room at night?

• 12:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. She's, she's sneaking out in the middle of the night to go see this Witig character who lives in the German forest.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Like is Hidden, like the imaginary friend in quotes, taking her somewhere else?

• 13:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, like it's like a version of hide and seek, like we, we go, we're hidden.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Like daddy can't find you.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  It's fae. It sounds like all of the, like some kind of fairy tale, that book. It sounds a lot like that, honestly. Or even Mr. What's It in Stranger Things. Like it's kind of giving.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  No, it does have that.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Experience. Yeah. Where it's like, I'm your trusted friend, but are they a friend? Cause it sounds like they're doing things. And this is what I, this is what's so tough about stories that involve children and some spirit that seems to the child like it's a friend. Because it's like, what's the difference between a spirit that maybe is more of a protective spirit that is hanging out with your kid? And it's like, could this be a relative from however many generations ago, or someone who once lived in the house and they mean well? Or is this something that is doing the work now to gain the trust of your child?

• 14:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Right.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Separate your child from you without you even knowing.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  I mean, a lot of German folklore and fairy tales do have entities stealing kids away.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh yeah. We were just talking about in an episode, Der Schwarzen, the boogeyman, the German boogie. It's just basically the German boogeyman. And how he comes into your house with a sack in the dead of night, hides in the shadows and just waits to put naughty children in the sack and take them away. Like that, that is like deeply entrenched in German folklore. The idea of these spirits like taking children. And now you have Widdig showing up to your daughter's window at night.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  And playing a secret game.

• 14:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Taking her away and playing a secret game. Yes. I hate it.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. And there are a lot of responses. And then the original user does have a follow-up as well.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  Okay. So the first response is from a child therapist.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  Child therapist here.

• 15:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Good.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  This has red flags all over it. Get a bunch of flour. I love how this is a child therapist slash like witch.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Not for the psyche of the child, but like you're in danger, girl. Man. Spiritually.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Get a bunch of flour and pour it all over by the and pour it all over the ground by her window. See if you can catch footprints. Imaginary friends are more common for younger kids, but by eight, she should be moving on to more age appropriate peer play. I am a believer in the afterworld, but we need to rule out all physical causes too. I would highly recommend finding a trauma therapist who specializes in play therapy to do an assessment. Meet with a therapist alone first to explain what is going on. I've worked on cases like this before where we never found a physical cause. I determined and agreed that this was a spiritual form. I worked with the kiddo on expressing feelings about the figure and setting boundaries. But not every therapist has an open mind.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  And then we have another response. The final update from the original poster.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  This was posted March 9th, 2021. So what, four days after the original post? This morning, after my daughter woke up and ate breakfast, I decided to sit her down and ask her about her friend. Mostly asking simple questions, and these were the main ones. What is his name? Has he ever asked you to do bad things like hurt yourself or me? And then I asked if she was scared of him. She told me that he told her to call him Witig, which is truly a name I have never heard in my life. And she told me that he had never told her to do anything bad or to hurt herself or to hurt me. She said she's only ever been scared of him once. Of course, I asked why?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  And she proceeded to tell me the story of when he started to come over to play. She said it was a few hours after I put her to bed. She was having a hard time falling asleep, but she noticed something outside. So she got up to investigate. And apparently he slowly started to move towards the window. Closer and closer until he was right in front of it. And then he just stared at her. Like he was, in her words, very sad and upset. So of course, being the sweetheart child she is, she wrote a small note and pressed it to the window, asking if he was okay.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Oh creepy.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Apparently, he shook his head no. She somehow managed to open the window a little bit and then asked why. She was told it was because he was very scared of the dark and had no one to play with. So of course, my sweet, eight-year-old daughter Leanna, offered to play with him. He told her he would like that, but before he could, she had to invite him inside. Which, she did. And this is when I start getting scared. She said after she invited him in, he smiled, and pushed the window open and crawled inside on all fours, which made her very scared and she started to cry. Uh.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  But apparently, he comforted her, and then he did a magic trick. I of course, had to ask her what the trick was, and she said he made all the lights turn on in her room. To show her, he wasn't scary. I started to ask more and what other magic tricks he had done, and they ranged from making flowers appear to taking both of them... ...outside. Apparently, he also likes to show her the stars and moons, which is why the star and moons, multiple moons, are in the drawing. Okay. I'm starting to believe that this is not just an imaginary friend. The amount of detail she went into, constantly referring to him being real and so many other things. I'm just so glad she is out of the house until Thursday.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  I think whatever this is, is very pissed off with me, because starting a night ago, I woke up with huge scratches on my arms, and horrific headaches which I had never had before. As well as very strange issues while even trying to translate this here for all of you. I've had a bunch of random ones, like the number scattered through my writing. I was informed by a medium that this is a demon ghost, or whatever you want to call it, that is known to steal children. I didn't leave my daughter's side until she left today. She was supposed to leave on Monday from my parents' house, but something came up and we had to wait until today. Without saying I collapsed shortly after she left because I haven't slept for more than 40 minutes every night, I'm going to get the house completely cleansed by a Catholic priest.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  He's coming over tomorrow and then I plan to have the place cleared out with sage. I'm basically doing everything I've been told to do, even planning to get Rose Court's gem to place outside of her window. She is very much aware that something is wrong at this point, as I have had her sleep in my room for the last few days, and she could definitely tell I was getting paranoid at night. But I told her that there were just a few burglaries in our area and was worried. But I'm also planning to get a nanny cam for her room just as extra security, just in case it doesn't leave after all of this.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  So he moved her into his room? And now he's waking up with scratches all over himself?

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, this is definitely not something benevolent. This is bad.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  The second it said, he said that this thing crawled through the window. I was like, alright, all my, all my like, hope that this was something decent is out the window now.

• 20:47Kaelyn Moore?

  And the second it had to be invited in.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:50Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, has to be invited in. Also, the reference to the two moons, like you nailed it with maybe this is a different dimension or the hitting game is like taking her to, yes, other mommy. Yeah, you're being taken to another place.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Ugh, yeah. And there's no updates. There have been zero updates since. So we're just left with this cliffhanger. This was years ago, 2021.

• 21:15Kaelyn Moore?

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• 23:02Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, I have another story for you guys that I want to read. Okay, I'm excited because I don't know anyone else's stories. Oh, good. Okay, great. This one was posted in Glitch in the Matrix seven months ago by user Buggy77. And it led me down a little bit of a rabbit hole that I'm going to tell you about. But this one is called, "What Was Pretending to Be My Husband?" And the story starts, we're going to go there. Okay. The story starts, "This happened this past weekend. I was in the kitchen with my kids and my husband was outside working on his truck. I heard a knock on the garage door, which leads into the house, and I looked over and saw that the door was locked. I naturally assumed it was my husband who was trying to get in,

• 23:44Kaelyn Moore?

  so I opened the door for him and he was standing there smiling at me and holding some tools in his hand. But this is where it gets weird." I expected him to walk in or say something, but he just stood there. I was in the middle of doing something, so I said, are you coming in? He didn't answer. He just stood there smiling at me. A few seconds passed, so I shut the door and walked away because I thought he was trying to joke with me. About a minute later, he opens up the door and walks in. So I said to him, what the hell was that? Why didn't you just stand there and not say anything or try to come in before? He claims he never knocked. He never stood at the door with the tools in his hand, wasn't there smiling at me.

• 24:27Kaelyn Moore?

  I told him to stop kidding around, that he was starting to scare me. But he swore he did not knock, nor did he stand there smiling in the doorway like that. I was now getting really upset and I told him if he was messing with me, it wasn't funny. But again, he swore that that was not him. He thinks that I hallucinated, but I'm not so sure. Nothing like this has ever happened before. Could it have been a time glitch? A dream, maybe? Even though it was the middle of the day and I was up and walking around, could he have somehow blacked out and then walked over and knocked but didn't remember? Not sure how to explain it, but this is freaking me out.

• 25:10Kaelyn Moore?

  So that's the story, which that's really scary because I hear stories like that from listeners a lot. It does tend to be spouses a lot of the time where like their spouse will come home or they'll like roll over in bed and see their spouse and then they're actually in the bathroom, like what have you. But I did notice that, so on this thread, there was a comment someone had made about basically saying like, oh, that's weird because we have this, um, I'm Scandinavian and we have this spirit in Scandinavia or like this thing that happens in Scandinavia that this reminds me of. And so I looked this up more and I found another thread that someone posted. And this is coming from someone who writes, so in Scandinavia, we have a concept called

• 25:53Kaelyn Moore?

  verdugur. It's a bit hard to explain, but basically it's when you hear someone coming home a while before they actually do. For instance, you can be in your kitchen and hear your spouse or your parent, your children, whatever, opening and closing the front door. Maybe they even come and greet you from the hallway. So you expect them to come into the kitchen, but then they never do. Then 30 minutes pass and you hear the same exact noises. Only this time, they actually arrive and they actually come into the kitchen as expected. And then this person asks, I'm wondering if this happens to people who aren't familiar with the concept of a verdugur, or if this is something that only happens to us who have grown up knowing what they are. So has anyone who's not Scandinavian experienced this phenomenon?

• 26:37Kaelyn Moore?

  And a lot of people have. So one of the first comments is from someone who just goes by it'sfish20 and they write, I was upstairs in my room playing Skyrim or something and I heard the front door unlock and my girlfriend walk in and say, hey babe, just like she does every time she comes home after me. But when I went up to say, hey, I couldn't find anyone at the door and it was still locked. I was confused, but I chalked it up to maybe I had just been playing games for too long. Well, like 20 or so minutes later, she actually came home and everything I heard the first time happened exactly again, except this time, she was really there. And then another person writes, this actually happened to

• 27:18Kaelyn Moore?

  me when I was maybe 14 or 15. I was sitting at the computer in our kitchen and my mother was in the shower. Her boyfriend came home, opened the door, made eye contact with me, but said nothing. I said, did you have a bad day at work? And he stopped walking, turned to look at me, smiled, and then walked into the bedroom. My mom came out and asked me who I was talking to. And I said, JP just got home. He's in the bedroom. And she gave me this weird look. She went into the room and nobody was there. She thought I was pulling her leg. Yet I was able to accurately describe what he was wearing, despite the fact that I was asleep when he left in the morning. About 30 minutes later, he came home through

• 28:00Kaelyn Moore?

  the door, wearing exactly what I had described. But he actually talked this time. Also, I'm born and raised in Canada, have never heard of this verdugur concept. It's another thing that happens to people all over the world.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  I have so many thoughts of because I feel like the first story and the last story are slightly different than the other ones where

• 28:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Ooh, explain.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  The other ones I could see as like a glitch in time, right? Where like time happens and then it's like, oh, wait a second, like that wasn't supposed to happen yet. I don't know. I don't know the science or logistics behind it.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Different dimension bleeding through a little early or whatever.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  But the first story and the last story, there's something a little off about them in the sense that both the partner and then the like mom's boyfriend stop, stare and smile and then go

• 28:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, interact. Yes, the smiling.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  And that feels menacing.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Like it's not like they're just heard going through the motions or saying hello. Like they're seen wearing the exact same clothes that that person is about to come home in.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Like that one feels more menacing.

• 29:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, it feels more like that doppelganger concept, the mimic concept of someone or something pretending to be someone else and now interacting with you in some way.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yep. Yeah. But it's interesting because it's like the thing with mimics and doppelgangers is they're supposed to look slightly off, right? But neither of these people said that there was something weird about it other than their behavior. Because normally it's like they look just a little bit different.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, but if it happens quick enough.

• 29:43Kaelyn Moore?

  That's what it is with the smiling. Yeah, it's like quick enough and it's the smiling. Like it's the expression and the behavior that's just off enough rather than the uncanny valley appearance of them.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Kaelyn, did we ever tell you that I had like maybe a mimic or doppelganger of myself in this house?

• 29:59Kaelyn Moore?

  No, in the house you live in now?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:02Kaelyn Moore?

  No, you didn't tell me this.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  It was like a few months postpartum. There was so much activity when Noah was born. I wonder what you'll experience after you give birth.

• 30:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  But we so.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  It's creepy. Yeah, I was breastfeeding Noah at the, at the time, so I wouldn't go downstairs at night. And there had been a lot of activity and I won't get into all of the different things that happened. But I, after nine PM, like I was not downstairs. I was upstairs. Noah woke up, I just went in the room. A couple of months after Noah was born, I'm outside and my neighbor is like, who's a very no nonsense guy. He's in his seventies. He spends all, all his time like gardening and going out with his friends and his wife or whatever. And he calls me over and he's like, oh my gosh, I need to show you this picture of what I was doing the other night. And he had, he has a peach tree in his backyard. And there had been some sort of animal eating all of his peaches. So he was staking out the peach tree overnight.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  And around like 11 or 11:30 at night, he finds a possum eating his peaches. And he's like, I just had to show you the picture so that you knew what I was doing. Because I saw you in your kitchen, like at the sink, watching me from the window. And you probably thought I was crazy. And I was like, oh, because he doesn't believe in the paranormal or anything. So it's like, oh, my gosh, like, that's so funny. But I was like, what the, I was not outside, or I was not downstairs in the kitchen. Like I haven't been in the kitchen past nine PM for months now. The same week, my mom comes into town to visit. She's staying in the guest room. And the first night that she's here, when she wakes up in the morning, she doesn't tell me anything happened. But I decide to tell her what my neighbor had experienced. And she goes,

• 31:46Speaker 02

  "Oh my God, I was not going to say anything to you because I didn't want to freak you out. Last night I woke up and there was a girl who looked a lot like you, but just different enough, standing over me next to the bed." No, you're kidding. She was like, I just told it to go away. And I closed my eyes and went back to sleep because my mom has had a million experiences as well. She's like, I'm not with that right now. She's used to telling things to be gone.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  I fully believe that a part of Corinne's soul did kind of chip off with all of like the postpartum and changes in life that you were dealing with.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Very severe postpartum depression and anxiety. So we do think like the trauma piece of it.

• 32:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, I was gonna ask, that's what I was gonna ask, like, do you think that there's specific parts of people's lives or times of people's lives where it's more likely for this to happen? Maybe because of, I don't know, like the postpartum depression or whatever someone's going through. Like, your soul does kind of chip off in a way.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, because it wasn't like this, like the way my mom was describing this person, it was like, it looks like me, but it was like, kind of like mean and like anguished. And it wasn't like this kind being or just like passive being. Like, it looks like it was in pain or that it like meant malice. And I think that does make sense for what I was going through. Like, there was a lot of confusion and anxiety and anger and resentment and fear. And like, that might have just bundled itself up and created this version of me that walked around at night and haunted my own house.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, like a projection of you.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:29Kaelyn Moore?

  The only time I've ever experienced anything like this was I was staying at an Airbnb once and we were, we were like on a mountain, we were in Breckenridge. So just because the altitude difference, I couldn't sleep at all. So I would just come downstairs and watch TV. And Matt, my husband, would wake up in the mornings and like work out in the guest bed. And then we'd like shower and come back downstairs and we would have breakfast. And so one morning, I was up at like four in the morning and I heard him working out in the guest bedroom. And I was like, it's so early. Why is he awake right now? And then, so I was like, whatever. And then I keep hearing him working out in the guest bed. So I went up to like make a comment like, why are you up so early? Oh, my gosh. And

• 34:12Kaelyn Moore?

  there's no one in the guest bedroom. Completely empty. And I, I could hear him like stomping around and like doing all the same movements. So I was like, oh, that's weird. Let me ignore that. And then my friend came for a weekend and visited while we just had this Airbnb. And she stays in the guest bedroom for one night and the next morning she's like, "Oh, that guest bedroom is haunted." I was like, "What are you talking about?" She's like, "I woke up in the middle of the night and there was just something walking at the foot of my bed." Like, I couldn't, I didn't see anything, but I could hear the little shuffling happening on the carpet.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  I hate that.

• 34:43Kaelyn Moore?

  And I was like, "There's just something," and it was only that room and you walk in, like, it was just the guest bedroom. I have no idea. And it wasn't that old of a place too. So the idea that like, "Oh, my God, someone died here, blah, blah, blah. That's where the haunting's coming from." But maybe it is that like residual energy of something that just hangs out there.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Is it residual or like was that spirit actively trying on people's different actions and personalities? Like, "Oh, let me see what it feels like to work out and do this routine."

• 35:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes. I know, to do this like P90X or whatever.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  Although that does give me hope for like when we are spirits that like it's not, you're not stuck in a loop. You can, you can try out a new workout, like you can like-

• 35:26Kaelyn Moore?

  You can still get your routine. Yeah, you can still get a workout.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Still get swole.

• 35:32Kaelyn Moore?

  When you finally have time to take care of yourself.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  When you're dead.

• 35:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay, Corinne, do you want to read your story?

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Yes. My story is called, "What scary stories from the woods do you know from grandpa and grandma?" 27 days ago, this is recent, submitted by AnyPosition72.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  They write, "I'm talking about real stories that get passed down from one generation to the next. I know a few of them. A little about me, my family's from West Virginia, but I was born in Germany because my dad moved there. So I grew up split between Germany and West Virginia, spending time with my grandpa, grandma, and the rest of the family. Kind of like a 50/50 mix. That's why I'm pretty familiar with the Appalachian stories and all of those from the woods. So my grandpa always had a certain respect for darkness. One night, I was trying to bring their old dog Teddy inside, it was probably around 7:00 PM, just when it was starting to get dark. They were starting to get dark."

• 36:34Speaker 03

  I was wondering if you had a little accent there.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  I'm reading it verbatim.

• 36:38Kaelyn Moore?

  They're from Appalachia.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Yep. A normal late summer evening, but my grandpa didn't want me to go outside then. He'd always say, "After 6:00 PM, we don't leave the house alone. And once it gets dark, we don't leave at all." I used to think he was just saying that because there were animals outside or something. Later, I asked him why I couldn't go outside and my grandma said, "You don't talk about that, or it brings bad luck." Grandpa just said that there are folks around here who went out and never came back. But when I asked why, he would just change the subject. It wasn't until I got older and started helping with hunting and wood cutting, and the woods became more a part of my everyday life, that my grandpa finally started opening up a little more.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  He told me the danger wasn't the woods themselves, but the things. He always called them "things", "that watch you and want you to stay. Most of them won't hurt you, but they make sure you get lost." Back then, I thought it was hard to believe. Well, mostly hard to believe. And I still do, to some extent. But I figured if an 80-year-old man is saying this stuff, it can't all be made up. A few months later, I asked again, since he always shuts me down. And he said, "Boy, sometimes it's better not to know everything, but you really want to know, don't you?" And that is when he started telling me a few stories. He mentioned that there was a family in the 20s that had immigrated from Belgium, and they did not follow the rules.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  He said they would go out at night unprotected, just by themselves, and some of them started to not come back. He told me a bunch of stories about people who went into the woods and never returned. He also said, "You should never whistle in the woods. If you do, everything goes quiet. No animal sounds, nothing. And when that happens, you've got yourself a problem. You'll feel watched, you'll get chills, and you'll start thinking there's something behind every tree." He said that when you whistle, "You wake up things in the woods that should have stayed asleep. And if they hear you, they'll wait for you." Another rule we had was no music, no playing music, no listening to music while

• 38:52Speaker 02

  you worked, while you hunted, nothing. Not because of the animals or anything, but because the forest has its own rules. Break those and you won't make it back home very easily. He said, "Too much artificial noise, whether it's whistling, music, chainsaws, or motors, can invite these things to come after you. They'll get mad. They'll stalk you. And the noise just makes them angrier." Another story. There's these old abandoned cabins that people avoid. The cabins are empty, but something waits there. If you walk by, you'll start hearing things. Sometimes a footstep, sometimes a whisper, but you won't see nothing. He said, "That's when you walk into a trap, because the woods want something from you."

• 39:35Speaker 02

  I'm not entirely sure what to make of these things. Ironically, he says that Hollywood monsters like Bigfoot are made up nonsense, but his own stories, he stands by them. The reason I believe him, at least a little, is because sometimes you will find footprints in the backyard, especially at our woodcutting site. And then these wooden symbols, like a W in the woods, I've only seen them once and then never again. Like, grandpa set them up or something? But I gotta admit, I do have a mix of respect and fear, even if I'm not fully convinced. In Germany, they just laugh at stories like this.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  Gosh damn Appalachia.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh. Germany has so many horrifying tales, but like, they hear of the creatures in the woods in Appalachia, and they're like, "Hocus pocus, hush hush."

• 40:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Or they laugh because they're like, "That's nothing compared to what we have."

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you heard of Krampus?

• 40:27Kaelyn Moore?

  "Oh, you think that's scary?"

• 40:29Speaker 03

  We got creatures waiting with sacks.

• 40:33Kaelyn Moore?

  Literally. Well, I mean, there's a huge tie between, like, a lot of Appalachia was settled by Germans. So a lot of the, there's like two schools of thought, right? That, like, the folklore that came from the German woods just made its way over to Appalachia as people were immigrating. And then there's also people that are like, "No, a lot of those creatures made their way onto the boats and then came over here." So there's a lot of, like, the Appalachian lore of dog creatures that live in the woods is very, like, rooted in old German folklore.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Oh, it's almost like, that's even more terrifying. It's like, old German folklore and this idea of these creatures getting on the boats, coming over here, mixed with, like, the Native American, like... Like tribal, like superstitions.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Oh, because there are so many spirits and creatures.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Nature spirits.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. The Appalachian Mountains are like the oldest, they're older than Pangaea, so.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're frickin' old.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  They are ancient and with ancient mountains comes ancient beings, I do believe.

• 41:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I mean, you guys have covered so many Appalachian stories.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  They're addicting.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  They are.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Addicted to Appalachia. I'll tattoo it on my head.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  We have a couple of comments. Should I read them?

• 41:44Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Okay. One person wrote, "This story is from my very religious grandmother and has since become somewhat of a legend in our family at this point. Decades ago, she and my grandfather were living in the woods of Northern California on a secluded ranch house. One particular night, she was awoken suddenly by my grandfather, who was muttering something under his breath. As she recalled, he was seated upright in bed next to her and just staring ahead unwaveringly, calmly repeating, 'I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.' She turned to see who he was speaking to and to her shock and utter surprise, instead saw a thick green cloud of smoke hovering just beyond the foot of her bed.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  And not like an airy mist, but rather a condensed, undulating storm cloud. Obviously startled by the sight, she said my grandfather calmly said, 'It's okay, dear. I'm taking care of it. Go back to sleep.' And as far as she recalls, the cloud gradually dissipated and they both eventually slept soundly the rest of the night, despite the disturbance. Both of them experienced it and remember it vividly up until their passing."

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Well, hell yeah, grandpa for handling it.

• 42:59Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm like, is this something grandpa sees a lot? Like, is, he was so calm, cool and collected.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Maybe it was like lore in his family too, right?

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Like the green mist that comes?

• 43:09Speaker 03

  The green storm.

• 43:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Okay, but now we have a comment from Roanoke, Virginia. "My grandma grew up in a hauler near Roanoke, Virginia with no indoor plumbing or electricity. When they were teens, she and her sister would sneak out to this old abandoned mining town on the ridge to smoke and play cards. The town at this point had been empty for 50 years and consisted of a few bare foundations around a collapsing wooden church. The locals avoided it, so it was the perfect place for teens to go hang out and get up to stuff that their parents wouldn't approve of." Well, one day, as they were cresting the ridge, a man with head of a goat stepped out of the doorway of the ruined church and stared at them, then gestured for them

• 43:51Speaker 02

  to come closer. They ran all the way back off the ridge and didn't visit anymore.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  Like, was it a man wearing a goat's head, or like, his head was replaced by a goat's head?

• 44:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I've gotten a few stories from listeners in India that reference this goat-headed character.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 44:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Like, I wonder if that's also another thing that just kind of shows up in different places. But, yeah, it's like body of a human, head of a goat.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  It does feel very-

• 44:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Bad intentions.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Like devilish.

• 44:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  Especially in Roanoke.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Well, also, just like the fact that it was abandoned and where it is, it did make me question, like, was this someone who just maybe wasn't completely okay at that point? And was like, just a human wearing a goat head?

• 44:41Kaelyn Moore?

  And which one is worse?

• 44:43Speaker 03

  I think a human wearing a goat head is worse. I would much rather, like, encounter a demon being who has a goat head. They can't help that. That's just how they look.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, right, right, right.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Because to actively choose to put it on, ooh, ooh. It also is kind of reminding me of the, I can't remember the name of like, the being, but in American Horror Story, Coven, when Queenie is attacked by that guy who's like, he has like, the head of like, a goat with the big, long horns, but the body of a man.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Even the season of American Horror Story, Roanoke, where Lady Gaga has like, the goat horns.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a lot of demonic imagery across the board here.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Scary.

• 45:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Stay away from the woods. I guess so.

• 45:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, geez. My, I talked about this in an episode, but my grandpa is from Appalachia. He's from Tennessee and he was also always told to not go in the woods. Don't whistle in the woods. Don't look at the trees in the woods. And he and his friend have these stories of when they would go to the tree line at the woods when they were little because they wanted to break the rules because everyone was telling them not to do this thing. So they wanted to do it.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:57Kaelyn Moore?

  They would hear a woman scream every time they would get to the tree line.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  That's common.

• 46:02Kaelyn Moore?

  And they would freak out and they would run away. And what they eventually found out was there was like this really big moon shining operation in the woods in their backyard. And so all the adults were telling the kids, like, don't go back there because you, you just don't want to mess with what's going on. You, you don't want to know what happens when a bunch of illegal moon shiners.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  Catch you.

• 46:21Kaelyn Moore?

  See kids. Yeah, catch you basically and think that you're maybe going to turn them in. So there like the, a lot of the folklore had kind of been rebranded to, I guess, protect kids from the stuff that was actually happening in the woods.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 46:33Kaelyn Moore?

  But still so scary.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Also, that doesn't explain the woman screaming. Like to me, that almost makes me think that there is a entity in the woods who's trying to protect the children from the bad people in the woods and it's screaming to scare them off, which I like. I mean, it's sad that she's screaming, but if it scares them away.

• 46:53Kaelyn Moore?

  I love protector spirits.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 46:56Kaelyn Moore?

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• 47:42Kaelyn Moore?

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• 48:27Kaelyn Moore?

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• 49:10Kaelyn Moore?

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• 49:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Shop toyota.com for deals and details or stop by your local Toyota dealer today. Toyota, let's go places.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Okay, actually, I think you'll like the next story. I love it.

• 50:04Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  I'm really excited. Okay. This is called "A Gin Fell in Love With Me." I love a ghost love story.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Wow, I've never heard of a gin falling in love with someone.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  And it's from Legitimate Bug in 1931. It was posted four years ago in Ghost Stories. Okay.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  So, I was showering last night and sometimes the light flicker. But this time, when they flickered, it was different. I thought nothing of it until I popped my head out of the shower to change the music. And I look forward and there is a face drawn on the mirror in the fog. Not only that, but it looks exactly like me. I was so terrified, I didn't know what to do. I was frozen and shaking. So eventually I called my friend to calm me down. I was just telling that same friend some paranormal experiences I had had about an hour before my shower. So maybe that triggered something? I was looking in the same mirror prior to getting in the shower and I think maybe something might be making fun of me in a way?

• 51:07Speaker 03

  I took so many photos of the drawing, but this looks like the best angle to me. My whole family sees it, so I know I'm not the only one. And there is a photo. And then there's some more updates, but let's look at the photo.

• 51:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, look, let's look at the photo and again, if anyone's listening just on audio, I will have it on the Heart's Pounding Instagram that you can go check it out.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  On Reddit, you have to click to see it because it says it's not safe for women.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it kind of looks like a Picasso rendering. Very like Guernica.

• 51:36Kaelyn Moore?

  A little cubism there.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you can see the like eyebrow, the hair, the nose, the mouth.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks like someone took their finger and drew it onto the mirror.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  And with that, you might be like, okay, that's maybe that's like a weird thing that happens with like fog in the mirror, but.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Maybe naturally it draws images of people.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  You know, like it could just be like Paradox where your like eyes create patterns that aren't necessarily there. But we have updates from the original poster. I don't enjoy speaking on this topic. It causes more activity in my experience. But I did gain insight that really spooked me. Since this portrait was done, I love like I had a portrait done by a spirit. I've had more experiences where I will leave the shower to find messages written in the fog. It looks like a different language or inverted, like it was written from the other side of the mirror. I have found ways to cope, like I only shower with the door open so it doesn't fog up the mirror, or I only shower when the sun's out, etc.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  But ultimately, it still happens, and every time I step out of the shower, I have a queasy feeling. I researched and researched, but nothing was similar to my situation, only learning that mirrors can be portals, that's about it. Every year, my very religious grandmother who lives in Alexandria, Egypt, comes to the US to stay with my family. So I decided to tell her my story to hopefully get answers, and boy, did I. So, jins are a specific type of entity in Islam in the Middle East, so there's not much information on them in the US. There are good jins and bad jins. It is said that some people have jins as slaves to clean the house and complete other tasks.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  And it is said that jins have fallen in love with humans and also marry them. And now, this is local information and lore that has been passed down through generations. But here's the interesting part. My grandma told me that she is from the same region as my original ancient jins, which I believe is my answer to all of the paranormal activity me and my family have encountered. My dad grew up in Egypt and had an experience in his childhood that he still has never told anyone, and we all know not to ask, my uncle as well, all on that side of the family. But immediately, my grandma and cousin provided me an explanation for this haunting I was experiencing. They said that jins can live in mirrors that act as portals.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  There must have been one inside my mirror, and it fell in love with me, and the drawing was its way of showing its flattery towards me. My grandma also told me that I am beautiful, just like her ancestor, who had the same thing happen to her. Now, jins, they can fall in love with you for many reasons, such as if you spend too long in front of the mirror and look at yourself in the mirror for too long and too often. Basically, they'll fall in love with you because of that. Or if you stand naked in front of a mirror, etc. My cousin told me a story that freaked me out so much. It's a little bit of a reach, but stay with me here. Not too long ago, maybe 20 years ago, everyone there had heard of a man who admired himself naked in front of a mirror so often that a gin woman fell in love with him.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  Apparently, she took him to the underworld and had babies with him. He went missing for years, but eventually came back, which is how we now know what happened. I mean, I have mirrors all over my room, even across from my bed. It's hard to go around that. So my grandma gave me a chapter of the Quran to read and some rituals to do, such as only stepping into the bathroom with my left foot and exiting with my right, and to never sleep naked. Anyway, that's about it. I thought it was an interesting story to tell and hopefully I don't get sucked to the underworld and have a gin's baby.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Man, imagine that being your sort of like familial familial curse. Where it's like, you're just so pretty and the people that are pretty in our family end up getting taken by gins to be married.

• 55:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, all these gins, keep falling in love with them.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  It's wild. I love a story of ghost romance.

• 55:44Kaelyn Moore?

  I love ghost romance and I love mirrors too. Like the mirror element of it is so interesting to me.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Now I want to know that guy's story. Like what happened to him for decades? Did it feel like decades that he was gone?

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Right. How many kids did he have?

• 55:59Kaelyn Moore?

  We did an episode on the Patreon about siren and mermaid lore. And that's actually something that's really common in a lot of siren and mermaid lore around the world, especially in different regions of Africa and in Haiti, where the mermaid will see someone on the beach or on a rock, will ta- usually a man, will take the man with them down to the bottom of the ocean, only feed him like chicken and rice for like years, and have babies with him, and then we'll like spit him back out. What's interesting about that too is um, in parts of Africa, the the mermaids will start trying to contact you through dreams.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 56:38Kaelyn Moore?

  That's how you like start knowing that a mermaid is interested in you. It's like, I guess, kind of like the mirror element, but in this case, it's dreams.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:46Kaelyn Moore?

  And they did a study and they found that, I forget which region it is, but psychologists that were seeing male patients found that 10% of male patients had these visitation dreams from mermaids.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Like, go mermaids. I don't know why I'm so... It's scary, but...

• 57:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Get your man.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  That is wild.

• 57:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, it is really scary. But yeah, the idea of being taken to this other world.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  And not having control of it at all. Yeah, being like imprisoned.

• 57:17Kaelyn Moore?

  There's like some sort of lust element to it also that, you know, you have to be mindful of, that there could be this entity lusting after you that's gonna kidnap you.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, now I'm so curious where it's like, do the mermaids in this lore, do they need human men to reproduce? Like, are all mermaids? Half mermaid, half man? But I guess then it would keep diluting. Then are there just little like tadpoles of human mermaids where like suddenly the next one doesn't have a tail because they're a little too human?

• 57:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, what's the genetic pool of mermaids looking like these days? That's my question.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Because you have like the different like iterations of them through media where it's like, some of them are like the sirens, like stunning, beautiful. Then there's the other like really scary horrific looking mermaid.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  My aunt used to tell me, when we would go to the beach, she used to tell me that seafoam was dead mermaids.

• 58:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  And I believed it for years.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  What a weird thing to say.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  I don't know what's wrong with my Aunt Diane.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 58:22Kaelyn Moore?

  That is really scary. No, I think this, I think seafoam is like, like ocean sludge. Like, it's not good. I know it's not great to play in in general, so maybe she was trying to protect you from that.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Well, the ocean is the world's largest cemetery, so just think about that the next time you go swimming.

• 58:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yikes.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 03

  Yikes.

• 58:45Kaelyn Moore?

  Yikes. Have you guys covered a lot of mirror stories?

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Not as many as I think we would expect.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  I think we have a lot of listener stories of people who've had like encounters like related to a mirror or a portal being opened up. But my dad grew up in, he was born in and grew up in Pakistan, where gins are like a very commonly talked about entity. And they're said to be attached specifically to banyan trees. And my dad like always told me this story that he grew up on a street that was like, he had to walk this one long street that on either side was covered with banyan trees, and he had to walk it to school. And he said he had, it was like the scariest street, like didn't matter. It could be broad daylight. It was always so scary and it would always feel like he was the only person on that street.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  And that like the spirits would mess with him. And like there were multiple times where he'd be walking under the banyan trees because you can't avoid them. And like a spirit would push him or like whisper and make like little remarks. Sounds terrifying.

• 59:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. That is horrifying. And they were all gins. That was the lore.

• 59:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a lore that like, that gin spirits live in banyan trees.

• 59:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  This is like the wildest, like back in my day, I used to have to walk five miles to school. To back in my day, I battled gin in the banyan trees on my way to school.

• 1:00:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Geez. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That is really scary.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Have you ever had anything happen with a mirror?

• 1:00:16Kaelyn Moore?

  No, not necessarily. I mean, I always, again, kind of the relating it to when you hear something from different cultures. It's like, what's going on? I know. Mirrors are really big in Feng Shui. Like there is something about the energy of where you place mirrors.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Kaelyn Moore?

  That can affect the energy of your living space. So even in cultures that don't necessarily believe that there's entities or ghosts hidden in these mirrors, it's like, well, you still don't want to put one over your bed. Or you don't want to have two that face each other because the energy might be off.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  The, the two facing each other is like, doesn't matter where you are. It just gives me bad vibes.

• 1:00:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  I, one, I don't want to see myself that many times repeating. And then two, like, I don't want to know what's like hiding in there.

• 1:01:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I thought about that when we were at the Henry Derby House last year because a lot of the stories were that you would look in the mirrors and you would see something behind you. So I kept looking at all the mirrors to see if I could, once you guys left, I was like, well, maybe I could find some more evidence.

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  Tempt fate.

• 1:01:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Whatever. So it was, yeah, tempt fate. Like, I was looking at all these mirrors and so many of them are facing each other. So you'd look in on one side and it would just be that long warped portal effect that happens.

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  The new Conjuring movie.

• 1:01:28Kaelyn Moore?

  No wonder all of the stories, oh yeah, and the new Conjuring movie.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  That one scene.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't even know it.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  She's trying on a, like on wedding dresses and she's in this, in this like mirrored, filled, mirrored locked dressing room.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  It's scary. Oh, God.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  You can imagine.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  And you can't tell which one of her is the actual one and which is a reflection. Oh, how no. That's very fun, House. Very scary. Yeah. We did look in a scrying mirror in the basement of the actual Conjuring House. We did do that. What's a scrying mirror, for those who might not know? It's a dark mirror, so they're created and they're supposed to be some sort of like portal, essentially. It's a form of divination. Yeah. So you look into the mirror and you kind of try to like defocus your eyes and people will experience different things. Like, some people will see spirits in them or see scary demons and some people will see... Their worst fears. Or themselves, smiling or making different expressions that they aren't actually making. Or like they're doppelganger peeking out from behind them.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Like, sometimes people have wonderful experiences, very like Harry Potter, you know, like he sees his parents in the reflection or whatever. And then others have horrifying experiences, which really scare them, so... I thought I saw like Corinne's reflection making really scary faces, but it was just Corinne doing that. I didn't want to actually look into the scrying mirror because I was terrified of it, but I felt peer pressure to do so. By me. Together, and I crossed my eyes, so she thought like she was seeing my eyes do like weird things. But it was me trying so hard to not actually focus enough to actually make out anything. To actually see anything. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh. So funny.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I would be brave enough to do something like that, especially in the basement of the Conjuring House. I know, you would. You could meet you for it. You would. I know. You would do it. I did. You would. I know I would get there and be like, "Let's go, let's see what we see." I think you'd be the one to pitch it.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  I'd be like in the basement by the time we even arrived, like, "What are you guys, okay, I'm gonna be done here." I already scoped out the basement, I tested out the mirror. I think we should sleep in the darkest, scariest room.

• 1:03:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Is the conjuring house still open?

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  I don't actually know, because it's sold.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  It did. It sold.

• 1:03:44Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I have to look into that. I have to look into that because I know that they were, like, maybe had closed recently.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Temporarily closed.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  You know, it's such a bummer because they just launched all these new experiences. Like, you could camp in a tent outside, like, on the property where underwear, like, people see spaceships and there's supposedly dead bodies buried and stuff. So it was, it could have been quite interesting. I don't know if they're going to keep those experiences or not.

• 1:04:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, now Matt Rife is in charge of the whole museum, right? The Warren Museum.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Everything.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I forgot about that. I blocked that one out of my memory.

• 1:04:20Kaelyn Moore?

  He'll save us. I know.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  It's weird. Like, he had never mentioned the paranormal before.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  But that's like, I think that proves how many people who don't, like, outwardly make their entire lives and businesses the personality of paranormal, who, like, there are just so many people who, out there who like it as much as we do, they just don't talk about it all the time.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was shocked.

• 1:04:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, it's like when Kesha had that go show. I was like, oh, Kesha's really into this stuff. That's awesome.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  All right, well, I have one more Reddit story to share. This last story is called, "Does Pregnancy Increase Supernatural Activity?" I can at least say postpartum did. Okay, this is from seven years ago, submitted by Smartycat77. They write, "This happened more than 18 years ago. I've shared it randomly here and there, but just now got onto Reddit and I figured this was a good place to talk about it. I've been wanting to hear others take on it forever. My now-husband and I were dating at work secretly. I'm sure some of our coworkers knew or suspected. But one day, I encountered a man who was not a coworker. We worked at a conference center and he was an event planner slash coordinator at one of the events there.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  My boyfriend slash soon-to-be-husband and I accidentally got pregnant. We were still in the process of figuring things out and no one at the office knew yet. I estimate I was probably between four and six weeks pregnant at this point. I was filling in as receptionist and this was not my normal post and I generally worked on a different floor of this conference center, doing something else entirely. This event planner came in to start setting up for his event. I greeted him when he introduced himself and shook my hand. He then paused immediately upon grabbing my hand and said, 'You're pregnant.'" Luckily, we were in a semi-private front office. I demurred very quietly, telling him that no one knew yet.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  He said something to the effect of, "Okay, but it's a girl, by the way." And he was correct. My daughter is now 18, and she's at university. I never saw this man again, as his event was on the weekend, and this was a Friday, and I didn't work weekends. And by the way, my boyfriend, now husband, could not have told him, as he worked in a back office. He was much more invested in keeping this a secret, as he was in a career job where I was a university student, kind of just passing time through this job. And we were both more worried about the effects on his position than on mine. He did not have contact with any of the clients directly. He was an accountant. Plus, obviously, he told me that he didn't want to tell anyone. This was the only paranormal thing that has ever happened to me directly, or that I've witnessed myself.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  Any thoughts? And by the way, I don't know if this matters much, but I was about to be 21 at the time. Damn. Brickie Nick responded, "I don't have an explanation for this, but I do have a similar story, where I was the one who knew someone was pregnant. When I was in college, I belonged to a club that was sponsored by a local nonprofit. One of the women who worked for the nonprofit would attend our meetings, and at the end of one of these meetings, I watched her stand up, took one look at her stomach, and I just knew she was pregnant with a girl. She was really thin. She did not look pregnant at all. About two weeks later, we were both attending a club event, and she broke the news to me that she was pregnant. I told her about my weird experience of having known already, and she was stunned.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  She didn't even know she was pregnant at that original meeting. This baby was also a girl. I have no explanation for it. It's not something I can control. From time to time, I will have these experiences of knowing things before being told, and sometimes I'll have these experiences, and it'll just be slightly off. For example, I was going to go meet a potential roommate, when another roommate and I were looking for another person to live with us, and the potential roommate said he had a dog. On our way to meet him, I kept asking if his dog's name was Cody. Turns out, it was Coda, so not quite right, but really close. Enough to be weird.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  This reminds me so much of, so we love going to get our aura photos taken at this place in Sam's called House Witch.

• 1:08:30Kaelyn Moore?

  And which you did too.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, per your recommendation.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, love them, obsessed with them. But we were asking them about like, cool things that have happened when people take aura photos. And they took this photo of this girl. And there was this like, green light in her stomach. And keep in mind, like, this is a stranger. So the girl reading the aura was like, this is like, a lot of growth energy. And the girl starts bawling, because, and I'm gonna get emotional. She had been trying to get pregnant for a really long time. And she was like, a day away from like, the time where she was gonna take a pregnancy test to find out if she was pregnant. She was like, crying because she was like, does that mean I'm pregnant?

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  Or like, does that mean, whatever.

• 1:09:22Kaelyn Moore?

  That I will be pregnant?

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, the girl goes home, takes a pregnancy test, and sure enough, is pregnant. Like, messages House Witch to let them know. And I was like, that is the most

• 1:09:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  Beautiful, magical aura photo story.

• 1:09:35Kaelyn Moore?

  I have like goosebumps from that.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:09:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yeah, I mean, I had been told, I wanted you to get to this story because there are so many supernatural things, I feel like, that happen surrounding pregnancy. And I'd been told that, like, when I found out I was pregnant. And like, also apparently in the postpartum phase too, which is crazy.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, have you experienced anything so far?

• 1:09:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I've experienced some really weird things, actually.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:10:00Kaelyn Moore?

  My, so, I had two dreams. I had a dream a year to the day before I did the gender reveal, that I was pregnant with a boy. And so, obviously, I wasn't pregnant then.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:10:14Kaelyn Moore?

  And so, I had that, and I like, kept that in my mind. That was very strange. And then the night before, we did the gender reveal. I also had another dream that I was a boy. It was like reinforcing it because I started being like, well, I started overthinking the dream being like, what if I interpreted it wrong? Like, maybe it's not a boy. Like, that would be really awkward if it like wasn't. And then I had a dream, yeah, that night that was like, no, it's a, it's a boy. Like, I'm here to tell you it's a boy. And then I had called my grandma to tell her I was pregnant. And my grandma has Alzheimer's, so she kind of goes in and out of clarity a little bit. But I called her, I FaceTimed her and I was like, oh, I have something to tell you. And she goes, oh, you're pregnant. And I was like, did my mom already tell you? Like, how do you already know?

• 1:10:58Kaelyn Moore?

  And she's like, no, I had a dream. And I was like, oh, are you kidding? And she's like, yeah, I had a dream the other night that you were pregnant. And so I'm so happy to hear that. And then she says, I was like, oh, that's so crazy. Like, what, what was the dream? And she's like, in my dream, you were 50 and I kept telling you that you were running out of time.

• 1:11:21Kaelyn Moore?

  She was gone again and I was like, god damn it, but.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  That's hilarious.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  But there is something, like when people have Alzheimer's or dementia, I like truly do believe they're so tapped into the spirit world that like they probably do know a lot of what's going on with their relatives before anyone else does.

• 1:11:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, she's like tapped into some radio frequency that we're just not a part of.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:11:46Kaelyn Moore?

  And sometimes really spooky stuff like that does happen.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  Wild.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  My gosh, amazing.

• 1:11:50Kaelyn Moore?

  But yeah, that was all really scary. And then when I worked for James Wan, he always would say, because people in the, at the company would have kids and he would always say like, you have to tell me if they see anything because babies are always the first to see the ghosts. Like, once they're conscious, like, your baby's going to start seeing things in your house and you have to just pay attention to that. And I loved that. So.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Noah has seen some ghosts.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, he definitely has. It hasn't been frequent, but there's been like three separate occasions where just completely out of context, he'll just like look up from what he's doing, clearly see something and just scream with terror and be so hard to calm down.

• 1:12:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  But then also there've been like some positive ones too, where like when he's sleeping.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Positive ones.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  But like the light going off and then.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  Well, that's not him seeing something.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  But it's like because of Noah, like spirit's going to check on Noah. I think it was checking on me and my mental health. Or that too. Yeah. So he's seen that, but then like I did have multiple things, like when I was in his room, having a hard time where like I'd walk in in the middle of the night to go feed him and his light would turn on as I walk in. Or I saw footsteps walking outside of his door, just like kind of pacing back and forth, like checking on me in the middle of the night. It was a lot of stuff in the middle of the night. And then when my Grammy, she passed from dementia, you're not from dementia, but she had dementia for a long time and then she passed.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  A few months ago, but when she, the week that she was like very actively dying and was

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  like everyone was going to see her. Uh, she had a moment where like, I think she kind of did die. Everyone went in and said goodbye and she wasn't breathing. I wasn't there. And then at that same moment, which we only made the connection a couple of days later at her funeral, when I told my aunt that and she was like, what was the day? What was the time? And then my aunt told me that this happened. So from my perspective, I, it's the middle of the day. It's like 2:00 PM or something. And I'm with Noah in his room and I see footsteps underneath the crack of his door. And then the door handle turns and it opens and there's no one there.

• 1:13:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  And I was like, what in the heck was that? Then a couple of days later, my Grammy passes. At her funeral, I'm telling my aunt this. A couple of days before she actually passed. On that exact day, around that exact time, everyone said goodbye because she stopped breathing for several minutes and they thought she had died. And then she uh, came back and lived a couple more days. But she came to check on you and Noah before. Yeah. And she loved babies. So my aunt was like, oh my God, she went to go see the baby because she never got to meet Noah.

• 1:14:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Oh my gosh. So that was her going and checking on him.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. And she was such a little person. Like she was, like, I always said she was like four feet. She was like maybe five feet at her like tallest of tall. And I think like in old age, she like probably shrunk down to like four foot seven. Like she was a little tiny person. And so like seeing the kind of like smaller footsteps like made sense outside of the door too for her.

• 1:14:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, that she was just there checking in, making sure she was able to see him.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  So many more hauntings to look forward to, Caitlin. I know.

• 1:15:01Kaelyn Moore?

  I can't wait.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  We better be on this evening end of a test.

• 1:15:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Doing this.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Right. That's the only reason.

• 1:15:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh yeah, people are already like, like, I'm just gonna start taking my son to Airbnb's and be like, what do you see?

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Where's the energy?

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  What do you feel? Tell me where to go.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  He's your divination tool.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I mean, I just had, my aunt was

• 1:15:29Kaelyn Moore?

  a Lamaze nurse for her entire career. She was in the room. She was my mom's like doula slash Lamaze slash midwife. When I was born and she was my grandma who has Alzheimer's, they were best friends like in girlhood. They'd just known each other forever and it's like opposite sides of the family, but they grew up across the street from each other. So it was just kind of this weird,

• 1:15:52Kaelyn Moore?

  like kismet that they're, she's just always been around my life, I guess. She threw, so she threw the baby shower for my mom, was in the room when I was born. She recently passed away too, which was really sad because I had been texting her so many updates about like my baby. And it was like always fun to like, share that with her. But ever, I don't know, I just, I just feel her so much.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:16:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Since that, and like, yeah, I just know, like, I know she'll be there when I have my baby.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  It'll be interesting to see how it, how she, yeah, how she manifests once he's here.

• 1:16:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, thank you both so much for coming back to Heart Size Founding.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Thanks for having us.

• 1:16:33Kaelyn Moore?

  I really enjoyed the stories that we read. I think they're very spooky. I'm very curious now to hear from the audience, what they think, if anyone listening or watching has ever had a spooky supernatural pregnancy story or has heard about these like verdongers, verdugers. I'm like very curious to hear more about these like mimic stories and just what people have experienced. Yes.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Can never get sick of this stuff.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Imaginary friends. I want them all. Yeah.

• 1:17:00Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes. And of course, if anyone wants to check out more from Sabrina and Corinne, you can check out Two Girls, One Ghosts, wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube as well. They'll be tagged in the video so that you can easily find them and subscribe.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  Or we'll find you if you don't find us.

• 1:17:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Or they will find you. They will hunt you down.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Polite threats.

• 1:17:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Kaelyn Moore?

  All right. Well, thank you so much and we will see everyone next week. Bye.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 1:17:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Hearts Starts Pounding is written and produced by me, Keala Moore. Hearts Starts Pounding is also produced by Matt Brown. Our associate producer is Juno Hopp. Sound design and mix by Red Rum Creative. Special thanks to Travis Dunlap, Grayson Jernigan, the team at WME. Have a heart pounding story or a case request? Check out heartsstartspounding.com.

• 1:17:45Kaelyn Moore?

  This episode is brought to you by our partner, Vistaprint. If you run a small business, you know that there's a moment where you go from just doing the thing you love to realizing you need stuff, like physical stuff. Custom merch for an event, branded apparel for your team, business cards that actually look professional. That was definitely me with Hearts Starts Pounding. What started as a podcast I made in my closet turned into something that had merch, had mugs, had stickers, had all of this stuff that I needed to get made. And Vistaprint made it so much less overwhelming. They are a true print expert. Premium quality products, fast turnaround and design tools that actually make sense. I actually got custom mugs made from Vistaprint and they are gorgeous and very, very good quality.

• 1:18:27Kaelyn Moore?

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• 1:19:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, whatever you do, stay curious.